| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
prrpx |
c, c++ are (figuratively) impossible to sandbox |
| 00:00 |
agrecascino |
prrpx, pledge? |
| 00:01 |
Hijiri |
I was surprised at all the WIP mod updates then noticed it was azekill replying to all of them |
| 00:05 |
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| 00:06 |
thePalindrome |
Besides, Lua is safer because you don't touch raw memory :P |
| 00:06 |
shamoanjac |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILWSp0m9G2U |
| 00:06 |
agrecascino |
thePalindrome, it was (sort of) a joke |
| 00:06 |
* thePalindrome |
rants anyway |
| 00:06 |
shamoanjac |
of course C can be sandboxed prrpx you ****** |
| 00:07 |
agrecascino |
prrpx, fuck your shitty borrow checker |
| 00:07 |
shamoanjac |
I agree with the idea of a C++ API |
| 00:07 |
shamoanjac |
C is truly a good language for an API |
| 00:07 |
shamoanjac |
I can only imagine how godly it'd be to write Minetest mods in ASM |
| 00:08 |
shamoanjac |
shitposting apart, it could use QuakeC |
| 00:08 |
shamoanjac |
with a Quake VM |
| 00:08 |
shamoanjac |
and could load Quake models |
| 00:08 |
prrpx |
shamoanjac: you can but it's a huge, platform-dependent task |
| 00:08 |
prrpx |
that's why i said (figuratively) you dumb homosexual |
| 00:08 |
agrecascino |
shamoanjac, write mods in fasmg |
| 00:09 |
shamoanjac |
what is fasmg |
| 00:09 |
prrpx |
i'm gonna create |
| 00:09 |
* thePalindrome |
flees from the shitposting |
| 00:09 |
prrpx |
rustscript |
| 00:09 |
prrpx |
how does that sound |
| 00:09 |
prrpx |
Rustscript |
| 00:09 |
agrecascino |
shamoanjac, it's a multiplatform assembler |
| 00:09 |
shamoanjac |
sounds like shit |
| 00:09 |
agrecascino |
made by the creator of flat assembler |
| 00:09 |
prrpx |
wiht it's own mini-borrowchecker |
| 00:09 |
shamoanjac |
if you don't write for your own machine |
| 00:09 |
shamoanjac |
for your very own ZISC processor |
| 00:09 |
shamoanjac |
then you suck |
| 00:09 |
prrpx |
ok question |
| 00:10 |
KaadmY |
write mods in brainf*** |
| 00:10 |
shamoanjac |
ok, RISC is considered meh-tier |
| 00:10 |
KaadmY |
then you're a god |
| 00:10 |
* shamoanjac |
starts considering a bf mod akin to Lua microcontrollers |
| 00:11 |
prrpx |
what's more meme? writing a project in C89 or K&R C? |
| 00:11 |
prrpx |
will people be impressed if i write K&R C? |
| 00:11 |
shamoanjac |
no prrpx |
| 00:11 |
shamoanjac |
no one was impressed by C-chan |
| 00:11 |
shamoanjac |
yet I wrote it in |
| 00:11 |
prrpx |
no? |
| 00:11 |
shamoanjac |
-ansi -pedantic |
| 00:11 |
shamoanjac |
-Werror -Wall -Wextra |
| 00:11 |
prrpx |
=( |
| 00:11 |
shamoanjac |
I use POSIX functions instead of the stdlib though |
| 00:12 |
shamoanjac |
because I'm a #coolkid |
| 00:12 |
agrecascino |
does c-chan work as an imageboard yet? |
| 00:12 |
shamoanjac |
no |
| 00:12 |
shamoanjac |
it serves static content and that's it |
| 00:15 |
prrpx |
shamoanjac: did you shill your shit enough, tho? |
| 00:15 |
shamoanjac |
I GOT CHILLS |
| 00:15 |
shamoanjac |
THEY'RE MULTIPLYING |
| 00:15 |
shamoanjac |
no, prrpx |
| 00:15 |
agrecascino |
how do i use the chanalyser? |
| 00:16 |
shamoanjac |
I don't mention 6-->!!7-->!!2https://github.com/shamoanjac/cchan7!!<--6!!<-- enough |
| 00:17 |
shamoanjac |
agrecascino, is the version on github the one which uses SQL? |
| 00:17 |
shamoanjac |
s/SQL/sqlite |
| 00:17 |
agrecascino |
shamoanjac, yeah i think |
| 00:17 |
shamoanjac |
if yes, it's useless, I didn't write analyses for it |
| 00:17 |
shamoanjac |
you might want to get an older version |
| 00:17 |
shamoanjac |
then you do something like |
| 00:18 |
agrecascino |
shamoanjac, where? |
| 00:18 |
shamoanjac |
./chanalyser.py 8chan v |
| 00:18 |
shamoanjac |
on github |
| 00:18 |
shamoanjac |
just get older commits |
| 00:18 |
shamoanjac |
get the latest one from october and you're golden |
| 00:20 |
shamoanjac |
maybe there are commits from february |
| 00:20 |
shamoanjac |
these ones would be ok, too |
| 00:20 |
shamoanjac |
I don't mention 6-->!!7-->!!2https://github.com/shamoanjac/cchan7!!<--6!!<-- enough |
| 00:25 |
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| 00:26 |
agrecascino |
alright |
| 00:26 |
agrecascino |
now how do i access results |
| 00:27 |
prrpx |
u don't |
| 00:27 |
prrpx |
u pray |
| 00:27 |
shamoanjac |
./datacrunch.py <stuff> |
| 00:27 |
shamoanjac |
for word comparison |
| 00:27 |
prrpx |
oh i thought you meant minetest lua |
| 00:27 |
shamoanjac |
./word_compare.sh <regex> |
| 00:28 |
agrecascino |
what would stuff be |
| 00:29 |
shamoanjac |
last 300 lines contain commands |
| 00:30 |
shamoanjac |
for example |
| 00:30 |
shamoanjac |
./datacrunch.py getmemes <chan> <board> |
| 00:30 |
agrecascino |
shamoanjac, what file is stuff |
| 00:30 |
shamoanjac |
datacrunch.py |
| 00:30 |
shamoanjac |
with a ton of if elif else for commands (yuck) |
| 00:30 |
agrecascino |
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'global.analysis' |
| 00:30 |
shamoanjac |
ah, you have to run a global |
| 00:30 |
shamoanjac |
./datacrunch.py global |
| 00:31 |
shamoanjac |
./datacrunch.py globalfreq |
| 00:31 |
shamoanjac |
make sure you have downloaded more boards |
| 00:31 |
shamoanjac |
otherwise the memes command is meaningless |
| 00:31 |
shamoanjac |
I have about 1GB of JSON files which range from as long ago as october |
| 00:31 |
shamoanjac |
1 year of chan evolution |
| 00:32 |
shamoanjac |
you can also |
| 00:32 |
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| 00:32 |
shamoanjac |
./datacrunch.py distance chan1 board1 chan2 board2 |
| 00:32 |
shamoanjac |
./datacrunch.py speeds |
| 00:33 |
prrpx |
is python better than lua? |
| 00:33 |
prrpx |
for scripting |
| 00:34 |
shamoanjac |
Python is better than anything but ANSI C |
| 00:34 |
shamoanjac |
and AT&T assembly of course |
| 00:35 |
shamoanjac |
3>you will never marry a girl who -Wall -Werror -Wextra -pedantic -ansi |
| 00:35 |
agrecascino |
intel > AT&T |
| 00:35 |
shamoanjac |
why live |
| 00:35 |
prrpx |
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?PythonProblems |
| 00:35 |
prrpx |
c2.com always knows the answers |
| 00:36 |
prrpx |
>significant whitespace |
| 00:36 |
prrpx |
oh yea i remember now |
| 00:37 |
shamoanjac |
Python has no problems fuck off |
| 00:37 |
prrpx |
into the trash you go |
| 00:37 |
prrpx |
you favorite language |
| 00:37 |
shamoanjac |
the only problem with Python is that it's not C |
| 00:37 |
prrpx |
is a shit |
| 00:37 |
prrpx |
ok should i tell you |
| 00:37 |
shamoanjac |
ur waifu is a shit |
| 00:37 |
prrpx |
should i tell you why python fails |
| 00:37 |
prrpx |
why python has no future |
| 00:37 |
shamoanjac |
because u cant program LOL |
| 00:37 |
prrpx |
you know what python lacks? |
| 00:37 |
shamoanjac |
if python is so bad |
| 00:37 |
prrpx |
forget static typing |
| 00:37 |
shamoanjac |
then why is chanalysis written in Python |
| 00:37 |
shamoanjac |
LOL |
| 00:37 |
prrpx |
you know what python lacks? |
| 00:38 |
shamoanjac |
ur mom |
| 00:38 |
shamoanjac |
thats what it lacks |
| 00:38 |
shamoanjac |
bc im wit her rn |
| 00:38 |
prrpx |
forget native executeables |
| 00:38 |
prrpx |
you know |
| 00:38 |
shamoanjac |
with ur m.o.m. |
| 00:38 |
prrpx |
you know what python lacks |
| 00:38 |
prrpx |
forget it's shitty syntax |
| 00:38 |
prrpx |
you know what python lacks |
| 00:38 |
prrpx |
ok answer me this question |
| 00:38 |
shamoanjac |
im in bed with ur mom prrpx that invalids ur arguments stfu |
| 00:38 |
prrpx |
Q: Does it have a borrow checker? |
| 00:38 |
prrpx |
A: no |
| 00:38 |
prrpx |
into the trash you go |
| 00:39 |
shamoanjac |
like ur opinions |
| 00:39 |
shamoanjac |
what do you use |
| 00:39 |
shamoanjac |
Lua? |
| 00:39 |
shamoanjac |
JS? |
| 00:39 |
shamoanjac |
Perl? |
| 00:39 |
shamoanjac |
Ruby? |
| 00:39 |
prrpx |
uhm |
| 00:39 |
prrpx |
you know exactly what i use |
| 00:39 |
shamoanjac |
no |
| 00:39 |
shamoanjac |
you just meme about it |
| 00:39 |
shamoanjac |
I do all my scripts in C |
| 00:39 |
prrpx |
you don't just meme |
| 00:40 |
prrpx |
i'm genuinely a rust fanboy |
| 00:41 |
prrpx |
i really think rust will eventually replace c++ for most uses, where applicable |
| 00:41 |
prrpx |
i genuinely think c++ is an obsolete language |
| 00:41 |
prrpx |
i genuinely think c++ should die |
| 00:41 |
shamoanjac |
9>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rust |
| 00:41 |
shamoanjac |
9>I am genuinely a sucker |
| 00:41 |
prrpx |
i genuinely think rust is the single fucking greatest thing |
| 00:41 |
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| 00:42 |
shamoanjac |
9>my opinions are genuinely shit |
| 00:42 |
shamoanjac |
LOL |
| 00:42 |
shamoanjac |
B T F O |
| 00:42 |
shamoanjac |
T |
| 00:42 |
shamoanjac |
F |
| 00:42 |
shamoanjac |
O |
| 00:42 |
prrpx |
that's gonna safe programming as a profession |
| 00:42 |
shamoanjac |
bow before my superior rethoric and languages |
| 00:42 |
shamoanjac |
9>normie language |
| 00:42 |
shamoanjac |
9>save programming |
| 00:42 |
prrpx |
ok |
| 00:42 |
prrpx |
have u even tried it |
| 00:42 |
prrpx |
more than 10 minutes |
| 00:43 |
shamoanjac |
no |
| 00:43 |
shamoanjac |
i dont need to |
| 00:43 |
shamoanjac |
bc i no the memes |
| 00:43 |
prrpx |
and that's why |
| 00:43 |
shamoanjac |
if u dont use c |
| 00:43 |
shamoanjac |
its bc ur 2 dumb 2 use it |
| 00:43 |
shamoanjac |
lol |
| 00:43 |
prrpx |
and that's why your opinion isn't worth the shit it wipes from my buttocks |
| 00:43 |
shamoanjac |
stfu kid |
| 00:44 |
shamoanjac |
learn K&R |
| 00:44 |
prrpx |
people like you only meme |
| 00:44 |
shamoanjac |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdQY7BusJNU |
| 00:44 |
prrpx |
without sense for reason and consequences |
| 00:44 |
prrpx |
behind my meming, there's a method and a clear intent |
| 00:44 |
shamoanjac |
/ \ |
| 00:44 |
shamoanjac |
o o |
| 00:44 |
shamoanjac |
\ |
| 00:44 |
shamoanjac |
/ |
| 00:44 |
prrpx |
i'm bettering the world with my shitposting |
| 00:44 |
shamoanjac |
\__/ |
| 00:44 |
shamoanjac |
look |
| 00:44 |
shamoanjac |
this is my face reading you |
| 00:44 |
shamoanjac |
the smug caret smiley |
| 00:45 |
prrpx |
i can't see it |
| 00:45 |
shamoanjac |
bc ur font is shit |
| 00:45 |
prrpx |
my message broke it in two |
| 00:45 |
shamoanjac |
/ / |
| 00:45 |
prrpx |
u were too slow |
| 00:45 |
shamoanjac |
/ / |
| 00:45 |
shamoanjac |
o o |
| 00:45 |
prrpx |
no |
| 00:45 |
prrpx |
too slow |
| 00:45 |
shamoanjac |
fuck |
| 00:45 |
shamoanjac |
you |
| 00:45 |
shamoanjac |
/ / |
| 00:45 |
shamoanjac |
o o |
| 00:45 |
shamoanjac |
\ |
| 00:45 |
prrpx |
slow |
| 00:45 |
shamoanjac |
/ |
| 00:45 |
shamoanjac |
reeeeeeeeeee |
| 00:50 |
Hijiri |
>>>/dpt/ |
| 00:54 |
shamoanjac |
metatables truly are rocket science |
| 00:55 |
shamoanjac |
they work for banners |
| 00:55 |
shamoanjac |
suddenly not for factions |
| 00:55 |
shamoanjac |
even though the code appears to be the exact same |
| 00:55 |
shamoanjac |
except banners.Banner is replaced with factions.Faction |
| 00:57 |
prrpx |
>he's using metatables |
| 00:57 |
prrpx |
4>he's using metatables |
| 00:57 |
prrpx |
3>he's using metatables |
| 00:57 |
prrpx |
9>he's using metatables |
| 00:57 |
shamoanjac |
literally no other way to do it |
| 00:57 |
shamoanjac |
fggt |
| 00:58 |
prrpx |
nonsense |
| 00:58 |
prrpx |
whatcha doing |
| 00:58 |
shamoanjac |
does Minetest's serialize() function just not work when a function has a metatable? |
| 00:58 |
prrpx |
if it's not operator overloading |
| 00:58 |
prrpx |
you don't need metatables |
| 00:58 |
shamoanjac |
yes I do fggt |
| 00:58 |
shamoanjac |
go bak 2urmom |
| 00:58 |
prrpx |
shamoanjac: if in doubt, the answer is: "maybe" |
| 00:58 |
Hijiri |
prrpx: he wants to put it into minetest.serialize instead of write his own serialization |
| 00:59 |
Hijiri |
minetest.serialize will take all the table key/values so if you want methods you need to put them in a metatable |
| 00:59 |
shamoanjac |
yes, I'm tired of writing stuff that exists in C for Lua |
| 00:59 |
shamoanjac |
that's what I've done |
| 00:59 |
shamoanjac |
now the load() function complains about nil fields |
| 00:59 |
prrpx |
why you serializing a class |
| 00:59 |
shamoanjac |
bc |
| 00:59 |
prrpx |
and not embedding a POD in your class |
| 00:59 |
shamoanjac |
its data |
| 00:59 |
shamoanjac |
that needs |
| 00:59 |
shamoanjac |
to |
| 00:59 |
shamoanjac |
be |
| 00:59 |
shamoanjac |
saved |
| 01:00 |
Hijiri |
you can separate the data from the rest of everything |
| 01:00 |
prrpx |
*POD in a lua terms of sense of things |
| 01:00 |
shamoanjac |
what I've done is |
| 01:00 |
Hijiri |
though if you have tables acting as objects with methods you will still need metatables |
| 01:00 |
shamoanjac |
factions.Faction = { |
| 01:00 |
Hijiri |
(to put them through minetest.serialize) |
| 01:00 |
shamoanjac |
-- default values |
| 01:00 |
shamoanjac |
} |
| 01:00 |
shamoanjac |
and then |
| 01:01 |
shamoanjac |
function factions.Faction.method(args) |
| 01:01 |
shamoanjac |
[...] |
| 01:01 |
shamoanjac |
end |
| 01:01 |
prrpx |
u don't need dis shit |
| 01:01 |
shamoanjac |
stfu prrpx this is serious |
| 01:01 |
Hijiri |
shouldn't you do Faction = function () return { blah blah } end instead |
| 01:02 |
Hijiri |
otherwise all the objects will be the same table |
| 01:02 |
Hijiri |
all the tables, whatever |
| 01:02 |
prrpx |
if i were to tackle this issue i'd solve it nicer |
| 01:02 |
prrpx |
i'd solve it so fucking nice |
| 01:02 |
shamoanjac |
what do you mean Hijiri? |
| 01:02 |
prrpx |
you would beg me to stop being such a good programmer |
| 01:02 |
shamoanjac |
that's how it was before |
| 01:02 |
shamoanjac |
but then, the serialize() function also serialized my methods |
| 01:03 |
shamoanjac |
so bugs were saved, too |
| 01:03 |
Hijiri |
just don't serialize Faction |
| 01:03 |
shamoanjac |
there *must* be a way, come on |
| 01:03 |
Hijiri |
keep a separate key in your factions table that points to your data that needs to be saved |
| 01:03 |
prrpx |
shamoanjac: create FactionData-type |
| 01:03 |
shamoanjac |
like I'm going to rewrite everything |
| 01:03 |
Hijiri |
why serialize something that is the same every time? |
| 01:03 |
shamoanjac |
just for this shit |
| 01:03 |
prrpx |
embedd it in Faction |
| 01:03 |
shamoanjac |
it's not the same every time |
| 01:03 |
shamoanjac |
faction holds data and methods |
| 01:03 |
prrpx |
add Faction.from_data() and Faction.data() |
| 01:03 |
Hijiri |
shamoanjac: I mean Faction |
| 01:03 |
prrpx |
and only serialize/deserialize FactionData |
| 01:03 |
Hijiri |
Faction is the same every time |
| 01:04 |
shamoanjac |
the methods are |
| 01:04 |
Hijiri |
faction holds some things that are data, and some things that do not change |
| 01:04 |
shamoanjac |
yes |
| 01:04 |
Hijiri |
only serialize the parts that change |
| 01:04 |
shamoanjac |
that means adding tons of new calls |
| 01:04 |
prrpx |
Faction serialize FactionData deserialize minetest POD metamethods OOP with classes deserialize |
| 01:04 |
shamoanjac |
which will have to be updated every time I change the data |
| 01:04 |
prrpx |
listen to me will u |
| 01:04 |
shamoanjac |
you're noise prrpx |
| 01:05 |
Hijiri |
I'm saying the same thing as prrpx and you're listening to me |
| 01:05 |
shamoanjac |
whatever |
| 01:05 |
Hijiri |
well sort of |
| 01:05 |
shamoanjac |
I'm understanding you and not him |
| 01:05 |
shamoanjac |
so |
| 01:05 |
prrpx |
struct Faction { |
| 01:05 |
prrpx |
_data: FactionData |
| 01:05 |
prrpx |
} |
| 01:05 |
prrpx |
impl Faction { |
| 01:05 |
prrpx |
fn from_data(data: FactionData) -> Self {...} |
| 01:05 |
prrpx |
fn data(&self) -> &FactionData -> Self {...} |
| 01:05 |
prrpx |
/* other methods */ |
| 01:05 |
prrpx |
} |
| 01:05 |
prrpx |
shamoanjac: btfo |
| 01:06 |
Hijiri |
is that Rust? |
| 01:06 |
prrpx |
and FactionData is just a POD |
| 01:06 |
prrpx |
lua POD, means tables, string, numbers, booleans, nils and nulls |
| 01:06 |
shamoanjac |
you mean I should add a one call per data field in Faction in load()? |
| 01:06 |
prrpx |
Hijiri: yes |
| 01:06 |
shamoanjac |
and another one in save()? |
| 01:07 |
prrpx |
does minetest.serialize() call load() and save() methods? |
| 01:07 |
shamoanjac |
there must be a way |
| 01:07 |
shamoanjac |
Lua can't be this shitty |
| 01:07 |
prrpx |
if so, you can forget `from_data()` and `data()` from my example code |
| 01:07 |
prrpx |
and just never expose data |
| 01:08 |
prrpx |
ok |
| 01:08 |
prrpx |
i'm gonna actually open my browser |
| 01:08 |
prrpx |
and look at the minetest api |
| 01:09 |
prrpx |
ok minetest serialization only handles POD |
| 01:10 |
prrpx |
and doesn't work if your table has metadata apparently? |
| 01:10 |
Hijiri |
it will work |
| 01:10 |
Hijiri |
it just doesn't serialize the metatable |
| 01:10 |
prrpx |
then it's just shamoanjac being stupid |
| 01:10 |
prrpx |
that's the actual problem here |
| 01:10 |
Hijiri |
this is why metatables is a solution |
| 01:10 |
Hijiri |
if you put the methods there it won't get serialized |
| 01:10 |
shamoanjac |
that's what I've done |
| 01:11 |
shamoanjac |
or that's what I think |
| 01:11 |
shamoanjac |
methods are declared like this |
| 01:11 |
shamoanjac |
6function factions.Faction.add_player(self, player, rank) |
| 01:11 |
prrpx |
seperate Faction.serialize() or Faction.deserialize() functions would be a solution |
| 01:12 |
prrpx |
*methods |
| 01:12 |
shamoanjac |
shouldn't that place the method in the metatable? |
| 01:12 |
Hijiri |
shamoanjac: do you know what lua metatables are? |
| 01:12 |
shamoanjac |
no |
| 01:12 |
Hijiri |
there is not built-in class handling |
| 01:12 |
Hijiri |
what you have there is nothing but putting a function add_player in factions.Faction |
| 01:12 |
shamoanjac |
I thought metatables were a way to share methods and data between tables |
| 01:12 |
Hijiri |
metatables are tables you stick onto tables to modify their behavior |
| 01:12 |
shamoanjac |
so |
| 01:13 |
shamoanjac |
I should stick factions.Faction to my faction object |
| 01:13 |
Hijiri |
The typical way they're used to provide methods, is that if the metatable has an "__index" key pointing to the table, indexing the table you put a metatable on will look in the __index table if the key is not in the table |
| 01:13 |
shamoanjac |
right? |
| 01:13 |
shamoanjac |
73 function factions.Faction:new(faction) |
| 01:13 |
shamoanjac |
74 faction = {} or faction |
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shamoanjac |
75 setmetatable(faction, self) |
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shamoanjac |
76 self.__index = self |
| 01:13 |
shamoanjac |
77 return faction |
| 01:13 |
shamoanjac |
78 end |
| 01:13 |
Hijiri |
why :new? |
| 01:13 |
prrpx |
Faction.from_data() or Faction.data() which don't take/return a string but a lua table would be a better solution, for it being better modularized |
| 01:13 |
shamoanjac |
why not? |
| 01:14 |
Hijiri |
you already know what self is, it will always be factions.Faction |
| 01:14 |
Hijiri |
it is pointless |
| 01:14 |
shamoanjac |
yes |
| 01:14 |
Hijiri |
it's also wrong |
| 01:14 |
shamoanjac |
why? |
| 01:14 |
Hijiri |
self is the Faction table, not your new object |
| 01:14 |
Hijiri |
wait no, that's not why it's wrong |
| 01:14 |
Hijiri |
you're setting self.__index every time, you only need to do it once |
| 01:14 |
prrpx |
shamoanjac is wrong |
| 01:14 |
prrpx |
shamoanjac on suicide watch |
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shamoanjac |
I'm not getting it |
| 01:15 |
prrpx |
shamoanjac can't lua |
| 01:15 |
shamoanjac |
I mean I don't even understand that line of code, I just pasted it from SO |
| 01:15 |
Hijiri |
shamoanjac: mentally replace self.__index = self with factions.Faction.__index = factions.Faction |
| 01:15 |
Hijiri |
do you see how that is redundant to do every time? |
| 01:15 |
shamoanjac |
yes, but it shouldn't cause problems anyway |
| 01:15 |
Hijiri |
no, but why do it |
| 01:16 |
Hijiri |
it's an extra mess that adds lines |
| 01:16 |
shamoanjac |
actually it adds no line |
| 01:16 |
shamoanjac |
since it'd need to be anywhere anyway |
| 01:16 |
Hijiri |
ok, but it adds computation |
| 01:16 |
shamoanjac |
ok |
| 01:16 |
shamoanjac |
but it's not what makes it bug, is it? |
| 01:16 |
Hijiri |
no |
| 01:16 |
Hijiri |
which bug? |
| 01:16 |
Hijiri |
serialization? |
| 01:16 |
shamoanjac |
yes |
| 01:17 |
shamoanjac |
the fact that data isn't being saved for some reason |
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Hijiri |
I thought it was that functions were appearing in your output |
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shamoanjac |
yes, at first |
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shamoanjac |
before using metatables |
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shamoanjac |
now, it's data that is not saved |
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Hijiri |
can you put your code on lpaste or some other paste site? |
| 01:18 |
Hijiri |
or maybe it's on github |
| 01:18 |
shamoanjac |
sure, which part? |
| 01:18 |
shamoanjac |
no, it's not yet |
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Hijiri |
shamoanjac: anything relevant to data saving. If your data saving refers to other variables, anything relevant to those variables should be posted too |
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Hijiri |
it might be easier to just post the whole file instead of a part |
| 01:19 |
shamoanjac |
it's 400 lines |
| 01:19 |
Hijiri |
that's ok |
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| 01:19 |
shamoanjac |
of which 390 have nothing to do with saving |
| 01:19 |
Hijiri |
they could be affecting it |
| 01:19 |
Hijiri |
if they do anything to the stuff you are serializing |
| 01:19 |
Hijiri |
they'll be there just in case |
| 01:20 |
shamoanjac |
http://pastebin.com/nC6dZMqA |
| 01:20 |
shamoanjac |
relevant stuff starts at line 50 |
| 01:20 |
shamoanjac |
what comes before it is 90% garbage I haven't taken out |
| 01:21 |
prrpx |
oooh fuuuqq |
| 01:21 |
Hijiri |
shamoanjac: do you have an example file where it didn't properly serialize |
| 01:21 |
prrpx |
74 faction = {} or faction |
| 01:21 |
prrpx |
will always evaluate to {} |
| 01:21 |
shamoanjac |
let me get it |
| 01:21 |
Hijiri |
maybe that is the problem |
| 01:22 |
shamoanjac |
I created a new world upon switching to metatables |
| 01:22 |
Hijiri |
if that is the problem, then I guess that means the issue is with loading and not saving |
| 01:22 |
shamoanjac |
this is what was serialized: 4return {["test"] = {["name"] = "test"}} |
| 01:22 |
shamoanjac |
nothing more |
| 01:23 |
shamoanjac |
nothing less |
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Hijiri |
is that the only faction you made when saving? |
| 01:23 |
shamoanjac |
yes |
| 01:23 |
shamoanjac |
it lacks all of the other fields |
| 01:23 |
Hijiri |
ok |
| 01:23 |
shamoanjac |
almost as if the part with factions.Faction = { [...] } did nothing |
| 01:23 |
prrpx |
first off |
| 01:23 |
Hijiri |
shamoanjac: it really s |
| 01:24 |
Hijiri |
is* |
| 01:24 |
Hijiri |
you are absolutely correct |
| 01:24 |
shamoanjac |
though, the "players" and "land" parts were set |
| 01:24 |
Hijiri |
there is no magic here, Lua will not dump those into your tables for you |
| 01:24 |
shamoanjac |
so they existed for sure |
| 01:24 |
shamoanjac |
why not? |
| 01:24 |
Hijiri |
why would it? |
| 01:24 |
shamoanjac |
why did it dump the name |
| 01:24 |
shamoanjac |
because it's a field |
| 01:24 |
Hijiri |
name is set in new_faction |
| 01:24 |
prrpx |
what the fuq are you using pastebin.com, nigg? use teknik.io |
| 01:24 |
Hijiri |
use lpaste.net :^) |
| 01:24 |
prrpx |
also |
| 01:24 |
shamoanjac |
then what's the point of factions.Faction = {[..]} |
| 01:25 |
prrpx |
you want the data from L51-65 serialized? |
| 01:25 |
Hijiri |
there isn't really, those could go in the constructor |
| 01:25 |
shamoanjac |
I thought I disliked Haskell |
| 01:25 |
shamoanjac |
but holy shit |
| 01:25 |
prrpx |
they are in the metatable, nigg. they act like static member data. |
| 01:26 |
Hijiri |
oh my god, it's all spam now |
| 01:26 |
shamoanjac |
what? |
| 01:26 |
prrpx |
spawn = nil, |
| 01:26 |
prrpx |
doesn't do anything btw |
| 01:27 |
Hijiri |
shamoanjac: lpaste is on the level of pastebin in terms of spam content now |
| 01:27 |
shamoanjac |
lel |
| 01:27 |
prrpx |
setting a value to nil equals removing it |
| 01:27 |
shamoanjac |
woah prrpx I unignored you for this shit |
| 01:27 |
prrpx |
tbl[x] = nil |
| 01:27 |
prrpx |
same as |
| 01:27 |
prrpx |
table.remove(tbl, x) |
| 01:28 |
prrpx |
shamoanjac: thx bby |
| 01:28 |
prrpx |
ur still fucking stupid tho |
| 01:28 |
prrpx |
because i helped you all this time |
| 01:28 |
Hijiri |
doesn't table.remove shift later elements down? |
| 01:28 |
prrpx |
doesn't that only go for the array-part? |
| 01:28 |
shamoanjac |
w.o.a.h. it works now |
| 01:29 |
Hijiri |
oh right |
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shamoanjac |
thanks Hijiri |
| 01:29 |
prrpx |
Hijiri: ok ur right |
| 01:29 |
prrpx |
it's not the same |
| 01:29 |
Hijiri |
I just haven't seen table.remove be used except on the array part |
| 01:29 |
prrpx |
i don't even know if you can do that tbh |
| 01:29 |
prrpx |
or if table.insert/table.remove only works on the array part |
| 01:29 |
prrpx |
yea seems like it only works on the array-part |
| 01:29 |
Hijiri |
it doesn't work, I just tried |
| 01:30 |
prrpx |
ignore me, i was wrong |
| 01:30 |
prrpx |
`tbl[x] = nil` is the standard way of removing an element from a table, tho |
| 01:30 |
prrpx |
the key is up for garbage collection then |
| 01:31 |
prrpx |
logically, the expression `{ x = nil }` immediatly discards the 'x'-key and returns `{}` |
| 01:32 |
prrpx |
which is why |
| 01:33 |
prrpx |
56. leader = nil, |
| 01:33 |
prrpx |
and |
| 01:33 |
prrpx |
65 spawn = nil, |
| 01:33 |
prrpx |
don't do anything, act as comments at most |
| 01:36 |
prrpx |
9>LGBT writing weeks on Wikipedia |
| 01:37 |
prrpx |
also |
| 01:37 |
prrpx |
03:29 <shamoanjac> thanks Hijiri |
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prrpx |
:< |
| 01:37 |
prrpx |
*Hijiri, prrpx |
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prrpx |
^ |
| 01:37 |
prrpx |
^^ |
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Nosrick |
Right, how do I hook into worldgen? |
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IhrFussel |
Please help! I tried to prevent the server from sending "Invalid command" messages so i said if cmd_def in chatcommands.lua is not defined return true...problem: That also prevents ALL OTHER messages from sending so I tried to check first if cmd is empty but now it somehow always sends the last command again whenever the server restarts |
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IhrFussel |
http://pastebin.com/vY1aHJFC |
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IhrFussel |
Okay I fixed the repating command after restart, it was something external^^ Well now it still crashes with "attempt to index cmd_def ( a nil value)" |
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Hijiri |
!tell Nosrick minetest.register_on_generated |
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MinetestBot |
Hijiri: I'll pass that on when Nosrick is around |
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IhrFussel |
Ok my problem is now solved, the engine doesn't send "Invalid command" but still displays all other messages |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all! Happy Monday, and happy International Cat Day! 😸 |
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Darkside_ |
good morning to you too sir :) the minetest community is sleeping ;D better don't make too much noise on chat :D |
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VirusJones |
Good morning. I have a question about the structure of a build from source: |
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VirusJones |
Building the game (adding minetest_game to the source), I end up with a game that has the options to play minimal or minecraft_game. |
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Darkside_ |
*minetest_game |
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VirusJones |
So I know that part of building it actually worked. But what I was wondering about, is should I copy the mods directory in minetest_game back to the main-directory's mods directory? Because minetest_game/mods/ contains several mods, but those don't show up in the mods overview of the game. If I place the mobs mod in the main mods directory, it actually shows up in the mods list. |
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VirusJones |
Whoops. :P Embarassing typo. |
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VirusJones |
Actually went back in my last line and fixed several as well... -_- |
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Darkside_ |
i would just see and try if the mods works in the current directory you placed them and that made them show up in the mods tab |
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Darkside_ |
i had a similair problem like that once ;0 |
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VirusJones |
Well like I typed: the mobs mod shows up. all the mods in minetest_game/mods/ don't. But what I'm wondering is should I copy them back to the main mods directory, or is this some setting in a configuration that tells minetest where to look for mods? |
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Darkside_ |
the game should always look for mods inside the mods folders, the default mods in the minetest_game mods folder |
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Darkside_ |
its odd it only finds the mobs mod, if you have all other mods in same folder |
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VirusJones |
No I don't. That's what I'm trying to type: There is a mods directory in the main project directory, which apparently the minetest client looks in. There's also a mods directory in the [project-directory]/games/minetest_game/ directory, which contains several mods that came with the git pull, which do not show up. (I built it as a portable build, if that makes any difference...) |
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shamoanjac |
when I do minetest.check_player_privs, it should return bool, missing_privs, right? |
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shamoanjac |
according to lua_api.txt |
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shamoanjac |
however when I try to display missing_privs, all I get is "1" |
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shamoanjac |
I've tried iterating over it with ipairs(), pairs(), displayed both the key and the value |
| 10:14 |
shamoanjac |
oh, right, it returns indexes |
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shamoanjac |
though, the function check_player_privs seems not to be working |
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shamoanjac |
minetest.get_player_privs() returns an empty string... |
| 10:50 |
shamoanjac |
while /grant shows a ton of privileges |
| 10:51 |
Krock |
<shamoanjac>when I do minetest.check_player_privs, it should return bool, missing_privs, right? |
| 10:51 |
Krock |
right |
| 10:51 |
Krock |
return true, "" when no privs are missing |
| 10:51 |
shamoanjac |
<shamoanjac> minetest.get_player_privs() returns an empty string... |
| 10:51 |
shamoanjac |
that's where it fails |
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shamoanjac |
and that's really, really, really weird |
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Krock |
it can't return a string |
| 10:54 |
Krock |
it will return a table value ni any case |
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shamoanjac |
yeah you get what I mean |
| 10:55 |
shamoanjac |
in fact the code is correct |
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shamoanjac |
send_error(player, "Privileges of "..player..": "..table.concat(minetest.get_player_privs(player), ", ")) |
| 10:55 |
nuzzle |
shamoanjac: do you ever even sleep |
| 10:56 |
prrpx |
prr |
| 10:56 |
shamoanjac |
nuzzle, it's 12:55pm atm |
| 10:56 |
shamoanjac |
I went to sleep at 3am |
| 10:56 |
shamoanjac |
woke up an hour ago |
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shamoanjac |
I slept 8 hours |
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prrpx |
<--- nuzzle |
| 10:56 |
shamoanjac |
yeah you fgt |
| 10:56 |
prrpx |
oh my |
| 10:56 |
Krock |
liar, it's 0:58 pm |
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shamoanjac |
instead of shitposting tell me why get_player_privs() doesn't work |
| 10:57 |
shamoanjac |
you prrpx |
| 10:57 |
prrpx |
lua? |
| 10:57 |
shamoanjac |
of course |
| 10:57 |
prrpx |
check ur privilege |
| 10:57 |
shamoanjac |
:( |
| 10:57 |
shamoanjac |
seriously tho if /grant shows a correct list of privileges |
| 10:57 |
shamoanjac |
why doesn't get_player_privs return me that same list |
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prrpx |
what does it return |
| 10:58 |
Krock |
it can't be broken since /privs works fine |
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Calinou |
liar, it's 2016-08-08T12:57:56+02:00 |
| 10:58 |
Krock |
Calinou, that's the same |
| 10:58 |
shamoanjac |
empty list |
| 10:58 |
prrpx |
maybe ur code is run before the player has been granted any privileges? |
| 10:58 |
shamoanjac |
of course not |
| 10:58 |
shamoanjac |
since it's called on every command |
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Krock |
err.. the privs are saved |
| 10:58 |
shamoanjac |
plus ^ |
| 10:59 |
prrpx |
ok |
| 10:59 |
shamoanjac |
I've checked and the player name is indeed "singleplayer" |
| 10:59 |
prrpx |
look at github issues for 'get_player_privs' |
| 10:59 |
shamoanjac |
done |
| 10:59 |
prrpx |
look at source code |
| 10:59 |
shamoanjac |
I wouldn't be here otherwise |
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prrpx |
ok let's double check that |
| 10:59 |
prrpx |
bc i don't trust you |
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shamoanjac |
there is no open issue, which there would be if this was a bug, given that get_player_privs() is widely used |
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Calinou |
⯠LANG=C date --date='@99999999999999999' |
| 11:00 |
Calinou |
date: time '99999999999999999' is out of range |
| 11:00 |
Calinou |
:P |
| 11:00 |
Calinou |
if you remove one 9, it works (on 64-bit systems) |
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prrpx |
shamoanjac: is your `player`-value correct? |
| 11:00 |
shamoanjac |
yes |
| 11:01 |
prrpx |
sure? does it work for other functions which ask for `player` |
| 11:01 |
shamoanjac |
yes |
| 11:01 |
shamoanjac |
literally one line above and below |
| 11:01 |
shamoanjac |
printed and checked |
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shamoanjac |
name is "singleplayer" |
| 11:01 |
shamoanjac |
a string |
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prrpx |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/d7060c212f3d9fb9a69719e9041fdef1f5792fef/builtin/game/chatcommands.lua#147-156 |
| 11:01 |
shamoanjac |
get_player_by_name() returns a player |
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prrpx |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/d7060c212f3d9fb9a69719e9041fdef1f5792fef/builtin/game/chatcommands.lua#L147-156 |
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prrpx |
* |
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shamoanjac |
no mention of /privs |
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shamoanjac |
oh right |
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prrpx |
2nd link |
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prrpx |
i fucked it |
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shamoanjac |
so |
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shamoanjac |
core.get_player_privs? |
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shamoanjac |
wtf |
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prrpx |
no |
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shamoanjac |
that's what's there |
| 11:03 |
shamoanjac |
core.get_player_privs(param), ' ') |
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shamoanjac |
lua_api.txt clearly says "minetest.check_player_privs(player_or_name, ...)" |
| 11:04 |
shamoanjac |
yes, I have tested with both a list of strings and a dictionary |
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Krock |
minetest = core |
| 11:04 |
Krock |
it's the same |
| 11:04 |
prrpx |
it's the same d00d |
| 11:04 |
shamoanjac |
okay so it wouldn't work anyway |
| 11:04 |
Krock |
ninja0d |
| 11:04 |
Krock |
*ninja'd |
| 11:04 |
shamoanjac |
yeah it doesn't work, as expected |
| 11:05 |
prrpx |
so u tried |
| 11:05 |
prrpx |
get_player_privs('singleplayer')? |
| 11:05 |
Krock |
minetest.get_player_privs(name) does it just fine |
| 11:05 |
prrpx |
yea |
| 11:05 |
prrpx |
it's likely just shamoanjac being stupid again |
| 11:05 |
shamoanjac |
yes |
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shamoanjac |
I have tried |
| 11:06 |
prrpx |
shamoanjac: ok is ur name in singleplayer actually 'singleplayer'? |
| 11:06 |
shamoanjac |
and what the fuck |
| 11:06 |
shamoanjac |
you've seen my line of code |
| 11:06 |
shamoanjac |
I check for the name |
| 11:06 |
shamoanjac |
so yes, I'm sure the name is "singleplayer" |
| 11:06 |
shamoanjac |
especially since *everything* else works |
| 11:06 |
prrpx |
are u sure sure |
| 11:06 |
prrpx |
gimme code |
| 11:07 |
shamoanjac |
33 local bool, missing_privs = minetest.check_player_privs(player, self.global_privileges) |
| 11:07 |
shamoanjac |
34 if not bool then |
| 11:07 |
shamoanjac |
35 send_error(player, "Required: "..table.concat(self.global_privileges, ", ")) |
| 11:07 |
shamoanjac |
36 send_error(player, "Missing global privileges: "..table.concat(missing_privs, ", ")) |
| 11:07 |
shamoanjac |
37 send_error(player, "Privileges of "..player..": "..table.concat(minetest.get_player_privs(player), ", ")) |
| 11:07 |
shamoanjac |
38 return false |
| 11:07 |
Krock |
pls |
| 11:07 |
shamoanjac |
39 end |
| 11:07 |
shamoanjac |
go ahead and tell me something isn't checked |
| 11:07 |
Krock |
there are Gists for that or Pastebin |
| 11:07 |
shamoanjac |
sorry |
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prrpx |
ok u stupid |
| 11:09 |
shamoanjac |
?? |
| 11:09 |
prrpx |
u told me get_player_privs is the problem all this time now ur coming me with check_player_privs |
| 11:09 |
shamoanjac |
duh |
| 11:09 |
shamoanjac |
read |
| 11:10 |
Krock |
"self.global_privileges" where are you doing this check? In a chatcommand? |
| 11:10 |
shamoanjac |
a custom one |
| 11:10 |
shamoanjac |
it's a list of privileges (strings) |
| 11:10 |
shamoanjac |
which are displayed correctly in the first send_error() |
| 11:12 |
Krock |
your table is wrong |
| 11:12 |
Krock |
it must be in the format of { server = true, other_priv = true } |
| 11:12 |
Krock |
and so on |
| 11:12 |
shamoanjac |
not according to lua_api.txt |
| 11:12 |
shamoanjac |
unless |
| 11:13 |
Krock |
but according to misc.lua in builtin |
| 11:13 |
prrpx |
unless u were being stupid again :^) |
| 11:13 |
shamoanjac |
3>`...` is either a list of strings, e.g. `"priva", "privb"` or |
| 11:13 |
prrpx |
minetest.get_player_privs(name) -> {priv1=true,...} |
| 11:13 |
prrpx |
yea |
| 11:13 |
shamoanjac |
ok |
| 11:13 |
shamoanjac |
so that means |
| 11:13 |
shamoanjac |
list of arguments |
| 11:13 |
shamoanjac |
it's funny because at first I was trying with a table |
| 11:13 |
shamoanjac |
which had that format |
| 11:14 |
Krock |
yes, it's kinda bullshit to check for its value instead of key |
| 11:14 |
Krock |
but that's how privs work |
| 11:14 |
Krock |
this way you can use simple checks like minetest.get_player_privs("blah").server then... |
| 11:15 |
shamoanjac |
this way was tested like an hour ago and didn't work |
| 11:15 |
Krock |
and now it still doesn't? |
| 11:15 |
shamoanjac |
and it still doesn't explain the get_player_privs returning an empty table |
| 11:15 |
shamoanjac |
trying rn |
| 11:15 |
shamoanjac |
(for the third time) |
| 11:16 |
prrpx |
http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/lua_api.html#authentication |
| 11:16 |
prrpx |
here it's correct |
| 11:16 |
Krock |
for more help I'd need all relevant code |
| 11:16 |
prrpx |
stupid shamoanjac. using outdated documentation. |
| 11:16 |
Krock |
prrpx, stfu. The documentation is a-ok |
| 11:16 |
Krock |
but can be misunderstood sometimes |
| 11:16 |
shamoanjac |
oh shit |
| 11:17 |
shamoanjac |
the returned value is BS too |
| 11:17 |
Krock |
It's 10? |
| 11:17 |
shamoanjac |
n-no |
| 11:17 |
prrpx |
ok let's check that right now |
| 11:17 |
prrpx |
where's lua_api.txt |
| 11:17 |
shamoanjac |
lua_api.txt says the same thing |
| 11:17 |
shamoanjac |
except |
| 11:17 |
shamoanjac |
Lua is shit |
| 11:17 |
shamoanjac |
so you can't concat a dictionary |
| 11:17 |
prrpx |
shamoanjac: =3 |
| 11:17 |
Krock |
"BS" is a Minetest-insider |
| 11:17 |
Krock |
constants.h line 75: "#define BS (10.0)" |
| 11:17 |
shamoanjac |
holy fucking shit |
| 11:18 |
shamoanjac |
this API |
| 11:18 |
shamoanjac |
I swear |
| 11:18 |
prrpx |
Krock: also no, the documentation is not a-ok, it's a mess |
| 11:18 |
shamoanjac |
this language |
| 11:18 |
prrpx |
but better than other FOSS game apis i've come across |
| 11:18 |
Krock |
prrpx, please open a pull if you know how to make it better |
| 11:18 |
shamoanjac |
can't tell whether the API sucks on its own or sucks because of the language |
| 11:19 |
Krock |
yeah, use assembler. Lua is somewhat slow and inefficient |
| 11:19 |
shamoanjac |
don't tell me the language doesn't suck |
| 11:19 |
shamoanjac |
it sucks |
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prrpx |
shamoanjac: well, technically you could use the c++ api :^) |
| 11:20 |
Krock |
there are only two things I don't like about it: No non-table references and no "continue" |
| 11:20 |
shamoanjac |
I hate tables |
| 11:20 |
shamoanjac |
why do they do everything? |
| 11:20 |
prrpx |
no switch statements |
| 11:20 |
shamoanjac |
it's just confusing |
| 11:21 |
shamoanjac |
I'd rather have a separated structure for lists and dictionaries à la Python |
| 11:21 |
prrpx |
major breakage between every minor version (5.1 -> 5.2 -> 5.3) |
| 11:21 |
prrpx |
no 64bit integers until 5.3 |
| 11:22 |
prrpx |
which nobody is using |
| 11:22 |
prrpx |
well yea |
| 11:22 |
prrpx |
but tbh, all scripting languages are shit |
| 11:22 |
prrpx |
haven't worked with it much, but i don't believe python is any better |
| 11:22 |
shamoanjac |
yes it is |
| 11:22 |
prrpx |
significant |
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prrpx |
whitespace |
| 11:22 |
shamoanjac |
not an annoyance |
| 11:23 |
prrpx |
fanboy detected |
| 11:23 |
shamoanjac |
it separates lists from dictionaries |
| 11:23 |
shamoanjac |
lists can work as stacks |
| 11:23 |
shamoanjac |
you explicitly delete stuff instead of assigning them a nil value |
| 11:23 |
shamoanjac |
"in" operator |
| 11:23 |
prrpx |
stacks should be backed by vectors |
| 11:24 |
shamoanjac |
tuples |
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shamoanjac |
hash() function for dictionary keys |
| 11:24 |
shamoanjac |
the only weak point is, it's slower |
| 11:25 |
prrpx |
and bigger |
| 11:25 |
shamoanjac |
the funniest thing with check_player_privs() |
| 11:25 |
shamoanjac |
is that it accepts a dictionary |
| 11:25 |
shamoanjac |
and returns a list of indices |
| 11:26 |
shamoanjac |
not keys, numeric, "integer" indices |
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prrpx |
albeit there's https://github.com/micropython/micropython , dunno how good it's suited for embedding it into an application |
| 11:26 |
prrpx |
last i checked, it heavily relies on globals |
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prrpx |
which means you can't have multiple contexts |
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shamoanjac |
makes sense for a microcontroller |
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yusf[m] |
I’m trying to replace stuff with WorldEdit replace feature. Is it not possible to use real node names in it? (such as default:desert_stone) |
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STHGOM |
it should be possible |
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STHGOM |
its not working? |
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Passant |
hi there, i have some trouble with lua. since itemframes from homedecor/xdecor wont work with the on_place function of farming mods (for example), i try to only run it if the player does not point when the pointed_thing is such a itemframe. my code just disable it completly so i cannot plant rhubarb in this example but the itemframe is comapatible again^^ https://haste.tchncs.de/qulozuyuyi.coffee |
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Passant |
*compatible again .. so many issues in my message^^ |
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yusf[m] |
STHGOM (IRC): Huh. It works with existing node types, but if the if a mod is removed and it leaves nodes behind in the world, those can’t be replaced even though they retain their node names. Is there a way around that? |
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Passant |
hmm slowly getting the feeling that minetest just ignore the function :( |
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Passant |
function(placer, pointed_thing) if minetest.get_modpath("xdecor") and minetest.get_node(pointed_thing.under).name == {name="xdecor:itemframe"} then return core.chat_send_all(minetest.get_node(pointed_thing.under).name) <- dont even run |
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yusf[m] |
STHGOM (IRC): WE just throws the error â€invalid search node name†whenever I try that |
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Passant |
yusf[m]: do you talk to me? the name with the (IRC) confuses me o.O |
| 14:34 |
yusf[m] |
STHGOM: I do, it’s Vector.im autocomplete that adds the (IRC) thingy. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 14:34 |
Passant |
aah, i see^^ |
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thePalindrome |
sthgom? |
| 14:35 |
Passant |
oh, thePalindrome i noticed that line 166 of your ambience fork randomly crashes minetest :) |
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thePalindrome |
Woah, people use my fork? |
| 14:36 |
thePalindrome |
But sure, lemme take a look |
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thePalindrome |
Oh, I hadn't changed that yet |
| 14:37 |
thePalindrome |
Thanks for reporting that, I'll write a stub, never happened to me since my server can't fly :P |
| 14:37 |
Passant |
yes, i actually forked from hybriddog's fork and merged your fork into mine fork :D |
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thePalindrome |
I'm actually going to rewrite that with proper music support |
| 14:37 |
Passant |
you may wanna allow issues on your fork? the soundcontrol is HUGE improvement/enhancement |
| 14:38 |
thePalindrome |
It's up now :P |
| 14:38 |
thePalindrome |
Yeah, it wasn't actually as bad as I thought it'd be allowing per-player volume |
| 14:38 |
Passant |
and you may be interested in a tweaked formspec https://git.tchncs.de/Illuna-Minetest/ambience/blob/master/init.lua#L609 |
| 14:39 |
thePalindrome |
huh |
| 14:39 |
thePalindrome |
But yeah, I am planning on doing a full rewrite, so that'll be a seperate branch |
| 14:39 |
thePalindrome |
A friend of mine actually did a ton of music for it :P |
| 14:41 |
STHGOM |
oh, sorry |
| 14:41 |
Passant |
the team on my minetestserver just searched some cc background music :3 https://git.tchncs.de/Illuna-Minetest/Illuna-sounds but this is definitly too much for lightweight minetestservers :] |
| 14:41 |
STHGOM |
yea, i know what you mean now |
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STHGOM |
I guess i have the same problem, yusf[m] |
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thePalindrome |
Ah, I have it in flac, so I can convert safely down to vorbis or even opus :shiny: |
| 14:42 |
thePalindrome |
I don't think minetest supports opus yet though D: |
| 14:42 |
est31 |
nope it doesnt |
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shamoanjac |
pk3 mods when |
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Passant |
well, the quality of the vorbis files is enough as i experienced |
| 14:42 |
est31 |
only one audio format is supported, and its vorbis |
| 14:42 |
Passant |
maybe not every default sound |
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thePalindrome |
Oh yeah, I remember, it used to say ogg :P |
| 14:43 |
thePalindrome |
But yeah, I can convert to pretty high quality vorbis |
| 14:44 |
Passant |
but keep in mind, in our case many clients have a huge load time on media^^ |
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yusf[m] |
STHGOM: Sorry about that, it’s because of the bridging. So you know the problem with worldedit not recognizing â€unknown†(but still named) nodes? |
| 14:45 |
thePalindrome |
Yeah, I'll take a look |
| 14:45 |
thePalindrome |
For sure the new version will allow adding/removing sounds |
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STHGOM |
yea, it would be nice to be able to replace unknown nodes with known nodes |
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Void7 |
!mod ambience |
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MinetestBot |
Void7: Immersive Sounds [ambience] by Neuromancer - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2807 |
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agaran |
Hello |
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Darkside_ |
!mod pooper |
| 15:08 |
MinetestBot |
Darkside_: The Pooper Mod [pooper] by AnxiousInfusion - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=14620 |
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Darkside_ |
lol |
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thePalindrome |
Well then |
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yusf[m] |
STHGOM: Think I’ll file an issue if it doesn’t exist already |
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STHGOM |
sounds good |
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STHGOM |
pooper mod: inspired by Ark: Survival Evolved? |
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Darkside_ |
oh i'm just watching slipg8r :)) playing modded minecraft |
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MinetestBot |
Darkside_: Aug-08 15:10 UTC <w_laenger> !mod caca |
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MinetestBot |
Darkside_: Aug-08 15:12 UTC <w_laenger> !mod factory |
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thePalindrome |
? |
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i- |
I'm trying to connect to a server on Android and it keeps closing out of the game. How could I fix this? |
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XtremeHacker |
Hi OldCoder |
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XtremeHacker |
Hi swift110. |
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Calinou |
i-: are you using the official app? |
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Calinou |
how much RAM does your device have? which server is it? |
| 16:18 |
i- |
yes, from F-Droid |
| 16:18 |
Calinou |
(heavily modded servers require more RAM) |
| 16:18 |
Calinou |
also, if you don't have 2 GB of RAM, I wouldn't try Minetest on Android |
| 16:18 |
Calinou |
1 GB will probably crash except on unmodded servers |
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i- |
well, yes, I do have 1gb |
| 16:19 |
i- |
using the lightning server |
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i- |
however, it just closes out when it says 'Connecting to server' |
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Calinou |
https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=minetest&fdid=net.minetest.minetest |
| 16:22 |
Calinou |
it's not 0.4.14 yet |
| 16:22 |
Calinou |
oh it is |
| 16:22 |
Calinou |
nevermind, I looked wrong |
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aix |
i-: What message are you getting? |
| 16:23 |
i- |
none. Just closes out. |
| 16:23 |
aix |
What username are you using? |
| 16:23 |
aix |
(I run that server so I can check the debug logs) |
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i- |
f4 |
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aix |
2016-08-08 15:46:22: ACTION[Server]: Server: Player with the name "f4" tried to connect from ::ffff:redacted but it was disallowed for the following reason: Your player name is too short, please try a longer name. |
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aix |
it doesn't show any output on the android client? |
| 16:25 |
i- |
no, just closes |
| 16:25 |
aix |
Hmm |
| 16:25 |
i- |
I'll try again with longer name and see if that works |
| 16:26 |
i- |
yup, it found the server |
| 16:27 |
i- |
but when I try to connect to any server it is always stuck on "Media" |
| 16:27 |
aix |
how's your connection? |
| 16:27 |
aix |
There's about 50MB of media to download |
| 16:28 |
aix |
Probably a little less, that includes the lua code |
| 16:28 |
Calinou |
it can take a while |
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i- |
ah, about 30 mbps |
| 16:28 |
aix |
Ah, exactly 41MB |
| 16:28 |
aix |
Uhm |
| 16:28 |
Calinou |
do you have remote_media configured, aix? |
| 16:28 |
aix |
Well that's pretty fast |
| 16:28 |
Calinou |
so that people can download media using HTTP instead of UDP |
| 16:28 |
aix |
Calinou: yeah |
| 16:28 |
aix |
Server's gigabit so that should be pretty quick |
| 16:28 |
Calinou |
UDP download can be reasonably fast, but it quickly gets very long if you have any big mods |
| 16:28 |
aix |
maybe the bar is just glitchy and doesn't progress |
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Calinou |
on my server, UDP download speed is acceptable, I also tuned minetest.conf to allow higher send rate :P |
| 16:29 |
i- |
possible |
| 16:29 |
Calinou |
(can join in less than 15 seconds) |
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aix |
oh god i just checked the nginx logs |
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aix |
jesus christ |
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aix |
"GET /moreores_tin_block.png HTTP/1.1" 404 168 "-" "Minetest/0.4.14-854d9e37-Android (Linux/3.10.54+ armv7l)" |
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aix |
What's the 404 168? |
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i- |
dunno what the 168 is |
| 16:31 |
i- |
since I haven't used nginx a lot |
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aix |
I'll rehash the media just in case |
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aix |
Calinou: is autoindex needed? |
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i- |
I tried the other server on favorites, it appears it downloads the mods/whatever fine |
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Calinou |
aix: I doubt it |
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XtremeHacker |
Anyone tried the ethereal server? |
| 17:01 |
twoelk |
Xanadu? |
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shangul |
is it possible to make a mt bot? |
| 17:02 |
shamoanjac |
yes |
| 17:02 |
Calinou |
shangul: sure, the open source nature of Minetest has gone nowhere |
| 17:03 |
Calinou |
you'd have to use C++ |
| 17:03 |
Calinou |
if you get banned from servers, that's your problem though :P |
| 17:03 |
Calinou |
maybe implement a smart chat bot, so that it randomly talks to players :] |
| 17:05 |
shangul |
nah i meant an api to make bot |
| 17:05 |
shangul |
well reading mt code and editing and compiling it is not so easy |
| 17:05 |
shangul |
also im a cpp noob lol |
| 17:06 |
Krock |
xyz made such a bot once IIRC |
| 17:06 |
Calinou |
compiling Minetest is easy on Linux |
| 17:06 |
Calinou |
on Windows, it's another beast |
| 17:06 |
Krock |
spawned some players that walked randomly around |
| 17:06 |
Calinou |
Krock: I think it was just random_input in minetest.conf |
| 17:06 |
Krock |
oh |
| 17:06 |
Calinou |
it's already built-in Minetest |
| 17:07 |
Krock |
Win32 is kinda easy because the libraries are already there if you can't compile them but Win64 gets a challenge |
| 17:07 |
twoelk |
not to forget Luigi the faithfull mapper bot of RedCrab |
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XtremeHacker |
So, what mods should I have on a lan server? |
| 17:26 |
aix |
XtremeHacker: nuke dropper |
| 17:27 |
shangul |
firearms, 3d torch, homedecor, carpets, farming plus, ... |
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XtremeHacker |
Thanks |
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Megaf |
Did I timeout? |
| 17:46 |
Megaf |
!server Megaf |
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MinetestBot |
Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 9ms |
| 17:46 |
Megaf |
nope |
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Calinou |
!server Calinou |
| 17:50 |
MinetestBot |
Calinou: Calinou [Europe/Paris] (survival - minimal mods) | hugo.pro:30002 | Clients: 5/32, 1/9 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 11ms |
| 17:50 |
Calinou |
Megaf: 2ms more than you :P |
| 17:50 |
XtremeHacker |
lserver Ethereal |
| 17:51 |
Calinou |
lol, a player on my server is called France |
| 17:51 |
Megaf |
lol, no players on my server |
| 17:51 |
XtremeHacker |
You have any Americans? :P |
| 17:52 |
Calinou |
doubt it |
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aix |
Anybody have any ideas for a surreal biome |
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Calinou |
a biome where things are upside-down or rotated? |
| 17:54 |
Calinou |
like, trees standing on their leaves |
| 17:59 |
XtremeHacker |
Something like the Aether mod (It's only on MC, but it looks cool, and diffrent). |
| 18:00 |
XtremeHacker |
Here is an image http://i.imgur.com/lDrnr.jpg |
| 18:02 |
agaran |
aix: or abnormal colors too, also things not being what they look for.. poisonous apples.. or sth like that |
| 18:02 |
Calinou |
>people who take screenshots without mip-mapping |
| 18:02 |
agaran |
Calinou: :-) |
| 18:02 |
Calinou |
XtremeHacker: Aether is surreal, but not too surreal either :p |
| 18:03 |
aix |
aetuer sure is cool |
| 18:03 |
aix |
aether* |
| 18:03 |
aix |
i'm thinking mesetrees with iron leaves |
| 18:03 |
agaran |
aix: leave -some- chance for newbie starting there, or it has no sense at all.. |
| 18:04 |
agaran |
mese/iron requires at least iron pick.. |
| 18:04 |
aix |
huh? |
| 18:04 |
aix |
it's a tiny portion of the map |
| 18:04 |
agaran |
you know what I mean/ |
| 18:04 |
aix |
quarantined with an unbreakable glass dome |
| 18:04 |
agaran |
ok.. I am just providing feedback to idea.. |
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Nosrick: Aug-08 07:19 UTC <Hijiri> minetest.register_on_generated |
| 18:04 |
Nosrick |
Thank you Hijiri! |
| 18:05 |
XtremeHacker |
@Calinou, well, it sure doesn't look real. :P |
| 18:07 |
Megaf |
the viewing distance of MC always impresses me |
| 18:07 |
Megaf |
MT is light years behind |
| 18:07 |
Calinou |
Megaf: it's easy to set Minetest to 256 view range |
| 18:07 |
Calinou |
(equivalent to Minecraft's "Far") |
| 18:07 |
Calinou |
or even above |
| 18:07 |
Megaf |
yep, now make the server send that |
| 18:08 |
Calinou |
yeah, it requires a lot of bandwidth |
| 18:08 |
Calinou |
do we compress MapBlock data by the way? using gzip or something |
| 18:08 |
Calinou |
that could help a lot |
| 18:08 |
Megaf |
by the way, my server is just ignoring the max_block_send_distance thing, was that changed recently? |
| 18:08 |
aix |
can worldedit not make a hollow cube? |
| 18:08 |
Calinou |
Minecraft does this since Beta 1.6 |
| 18:08 |
shamoanjac |
does Minetest not compress blocks? |
| 18:08 |
Calinou |
Megaf: what's your max_block_generate_distance? |
| 18:08 |
Calinou |
I'd set it to the same value ideally |
| 18:08 |
agaran |
Calinou: even deflate would be good.. |
| 18:08 |
shamoanjac |
yeah use deflate |
| 18:08 |
Calinou |
agaran: gzip is pretty cheap |
| 18:09 |
Megaf |
Calinou: I usually have the generate to 1 and send from 3 to 5 |
| 18:09 |
Calinou |
brotli is better, but also more expensive |
| 18:09 |
agaran |
Calinou: yup I know, but even deflate is BIG improvement from no compression.. |
| 18:09 |
Megaf |
but now it doesnt work anymore |
| 18:09 |
Calinou |
either way it'd be optional for those hosting servers on very weak machines |
| 18:09 |
Calinou |
(and compatibility with older servers/clients) |
| 18:09 |
i- |
aix: still getting stuck on media for some reason :| |
| 18:09 |
aix |
how much time have you given it? |
| 18:10 |
i- |
a bit |
| 18:10 |
i- |
e.g. 1-5 mins |
| 18:10 |
agaran |
i-: an 'SI' unit is better to express time ;) |
| 18:10 |
Megaf |
2016-08-08 15:01:47: ERROR[Server]: In thread 7f730e799700: |
| 18:10 |
Megaf |
2016-08-08 15:01:47: ERROR[Server]: /run/shm/SourceMegafServer/src/server.cpp:73: virtual void* ServerThread::run(): A fatal error occured: Couldn't save env meta |
| 18:10 |
Megaf |
Im afraid my server just crashed and fucked everything |
| 18:11 |
agaran |
Megaf: not my fault, I wasn't there for.. 24h |
| 18:11 |
Calinou |
/run/shm, is that a ramdisk? |
| 18:11 |
shamoanjac |
how do I check whether a mod is loaded or not? |
| 18:12 |
agaran |
shamoanjac: in client? /mods |
| 18:12 |
aix |
/mods |
| 18:12 |
Calinou |
if minetest.get_modpath("hello") |
| 18:12 |
Calinou |
in Lua ^ |
| 18:12 |
shamoanjac |
thanks Calinou |
| 18:12 |
shamoanjac |
I wanted it in Lua :P |
| 18:12 |
Megaf |
Calinou: yep, I use ramdisk to compile the server |
| 18:12 |
Calinou |
returns true if mod is installed and activated |
| 18:12 |
Calinou |
Megaf: then make frequent backups |
| 18:12 |
Calinou |
:p |
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agaran |
shamoanjac: modpath = minetest.get_modpath("modname") ? |
| 18:12 |
Megaf |
Calinou: is just for building... How would it affect the binary? |
| 18:12 |
Calinou |
ah |
| 18:13 |
Megaf |
the folder dont even exist anymore |
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OldCoder |
XtremeHacker, Hi |
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agaran |
ah, Calinou was faster a lot.. |
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Megaf |
yep, server is not starting anymore =/ |
| 18:15 |
Calinou |
reboot? |
| 18:15 |
Megaf |
$ bin/minetestserver |
| 18:15 |
Megaf |
blank line |
| 18:15 |
Megaf |
ctrl c cant kill it |
| 18:16 |
Calinou |
run with gdb? |
| 18:16 |
shamoanjac |
local variables aren't kep when I dofile(), right? |
| 18:16 |
shamoanjac |
s/kep/kept |
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agaran |
Megaf: find out pid, check what process is actually doing with strace? |
| 18:17 |
Megaf |
It's a problem with my server, not mt |
| 18:17 |
agaran |
Megaf: dmesg? |
| 18:17 |
Megaf |
it sucks being poor and not been able to afford my resources |
| 18:17 |
Megaf |
I ran out of memory and disk space |
| 18:17 |
Calinou |
my server is pretty much idle most of the time... |
| 18:18 |
Calinou |
8 cores, 16 GB of RAM, 256 GB SSD :p |
| 18:18 |
Megaf |
one day I will be able to afford that |
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agaran |
Calinou: not everyone is fortunate enough for that.. |
| 18:18 |
Calinou |
it's not that expensive, I'm at a non-profit host |
| 18:18 |
agaran |
my personal stuff is far slower.. my work stuff has that much mem as you have SSD..;) |
| 18:18 |
Megaf |
right now I can barerly pay my rent and can't afford college |
| 18:18 |
Calinou |
€12/month, next year it'll be €14/month with smaller SSD (but newer infrastructure) |
| 18:18 |
Calinou |
https://www.pulseheberg.com/ |
| 18:19 |
Calinou |
they don't speak English though :p |
| 18:19 |
Megaf |
Calinou: 12USD month for 16 GB of ram and 8 core !? |
| 18:19 |
Calinou |
uptime is very good, too |
| 18:19 |
Calinou |
I have 80 days :] |
| 18:19 |
agaran |
Megaf: thats possible .. |
| 18:19 |
agaran |
20:19:10 up 526 days, 8:38, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05 |
| 18:19 |
agaran |
thats my vps.. |
| 18:19 |
Megaf |
Calinou: what VMs they use? |
| 18:19 |
Calinou |
wow, Warsow server took 98 hours of CPU time since it started |
| 18:20 |
Megaf |
agaran: Why you no update your kernel? |
| 18:20 |
Calinou |
OpenVZ in the offer i Use |
| 18:20 |
Calinou |
I think they offer KVM for high-end VPSes too |
| 18:20 |
Calinou |
so you're stuck with Ubuntu 14.04, at least for now |
| 18:20 |
Megaf |
Calinou: ah, that's why it's so cheap then |
| 18:20 |
Calinou |
you can get PHP 7/latest nginx/MariaDB through PPAs |
| 18:20 |
Megaf |
they share your container resourses |
| 18:21 |
Megaf |
Calinou: I have a XEN VPS, that I subdivided in several OpenVZ containers myself ;) |
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agaran |
Megaf: why bother? I am not even sure if my machine did not migrate between physical hardware during that uptime.. |
| 18:21 |
Megaf |
agaran: because security? |
| 18:21 |
agaran |
not having issues so far so.. |
| 18:21 |
Calinou |
my game servers run in screen's, on a user with limited privileges |
| 18:22 |
Megaf |
Calinou: isnt that the only way of running game servers? |
| 18:22 |
agaran |
Megaf: and I have very few users, no internet services etc.. so.. |
| 18:22 |
Calinou |
Ubuntu 14.04 means Upstart, need to learn Upstart service files |
| 18:22 |
agaran |
upstart is ugly.. |
| 18:22 |
Calinou |
the proper way is to use service files |
| 18:22 |
Calinou |
systemd services are nice to use |
| 18:22 |
Megaf |
I rather use screen |
| 18:22 |
Calinou |
Lennart lennart = new Lennart(); |
| 18:22 |
Calinou |
:] |
| 18:23 |
Calinou |
(when I saw that in Minecraft, I first thought it was a reference to Lennart Poettering) |
| 18:23 |
swift110 |
lol |
| 18:23 |
Krock |
what's that guy? |
| 18:23 |
swift110 |
minetest is better |
| 18:23 |
Calinou |
systermd/PulseAudio developer |
| 18:23 |
swift110 |
oh wait im in minetest |
| 18:23 |
swift110 |
ok |
| 18:24 |
shamoanjac |
I didn't know Poettering also did PulseAudio |
| 18:24 |
shamoanjac |
now I hate him even more |
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est31 |
lol |
| 18:24 |
Calinou |
Harry Poetter and the Chamber of systemd |
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* Calinou |
runs |
| 18:24 |
shamoanjac |
lel |
| 18:24 |
Megaf |
ok, I'm upgrading my VPS from 512MB of SWAP to 4GB of SWAP =/ |
| 18:25 |
Calinou |
my VPS has no swap |
| 18:25 |
Calinou |
desktop has 1 GB, as I usually make it |
| 18:26 |
Megaf |
Calinou: you have one million GB of RAM, no need for swap |
| 18:26 |
Megaf |
you have more ram in your VPS than I have disk space on mine |
| 18:26 |
Calinou |
desktop has 32 GB, right :] |
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agaran |
my desktop has only 2G, vps 1G.. work junks 128G+.. |
| 18:27 |
Calinou |
Megaf: btw I know someone who has a GTX Titan, if not two |
| 18:27 |
Calinou |
:P |
| 18:27 |
* Megaf |
wants Calinou job |
| 18:27 |
Megaf |
or a job |
| 18:27 |
Calinou |
eh, I'm a student |
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XtremeHacker |
Oh, hi mOldcoder, your LOTT server is pretty cool. |
| 18:28 |
Calinou |
(almost) never buying software/games/cultural works helps :P |
| 18:28 |
Calinou |
I did buy some free culture music last month though |
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Calinou |
also Kenney's asset packs |
| 18:28 |
Calinou |
but that was the first time I did it for yearzs |
| 18:28 |
Calinou |
-z |
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tpe |
PulseAudio was a mess in the early days (hi Ubuntu) but is there any real reason to hate it now? |
| 18:30 |
shamoanjac |
it still breaks sometimes for me |
| 18:31 |
Megaf |
downgrading my mysql server container from 256M of ram and 512M of swap to 128MB of ram and 0M of swap |
| 18:31 |
Megaf |
that will be interesting |
| 18:31 |
Megaf |
wonder if I can go as low as 64M |
| 18:31 |
Megaf |
its a contianer that's only there to run MySQL |
| 18:31 |
Megaf |
and it's the only service running there |
| 18:31 |
tpe |
I haven't had an issue since the days of using Linux Skype 2.something |
| 18:31 |
Calinou |
try MariaDB, it's a newer fork |
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Megaf |
ok, my server wll be back momentarly |
| 18:37 |
Megaf |
I mean, very soon |
| 18:40 |
Megaf |
I can't believe minetestserver managed to recover from the previous crash |
| 18:40 |
Megaf |
well done Minetest! |
| 18:40 |
Megaf |
!server Megaf |
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MinetestBot |
Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms |
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swift110 |
lol |
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Megaf |
it is also pretty fast |
| 18:49 |
Megaf |
there are two of my containers that are my webservers, you can't get more efficient than that, can you? http://paste.debian.net/plain/787471 |
| 18:50 |
Megaf |
25MB of memory used by my git server |
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Megaf |
158MB for my future PhpBB3 web forum |
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Megaf |
just added my minetest server to the list http://paste.debian.net/plain/787476 |
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agaran |
if thats after some runtime, then git has lot of spare mem |
| 18:54 |
Megaf |
total memory used on the host OS running 6 containers |
| 18:54 |
Megaf |
total used free shared buffers cached |
| 18:54 |
Megaf |
Mem: 986 976 10 22 23 313 |
| 18:54 |
Megaf |
-/+ buffers/cache: 639 347 |
| 18:54 |
Megaf |
Swap: 4095 167 3928 |
| 18:54 |
Megaf |
agaran: the memory use on the git server will increase a bit after some time and use, but not much |
| 18:54 |
Megaf |
all containers are fully booted and started by now |
| 18:55 |
agaran |
Megaf: then i'd consider cutting it a bit at some point and redirecting free resource elsewhere.. |
| 18:55 |
Megaf |
at this moment all containers have 256MB of ram each |
| 18:55 |
Megaf |
I will tweek there more yes |
| 18:56 |
Megaf |
I can take 128MB from git server and 128M from SQL I think |
| 18:56 |
agaran |
dunno, I would record memory usage for some hours first, then made some decision but not as rough as reducing by half.. |
| 18:57 |
Megaf |
agaran: i've been monitoring for days ;) |
| 18:57 |
agaran |
Megaf: well, I know only what you wrote, so just trying to offer best advice.. thats all |
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Megaf |
MySQL server also using very little RAM, check the last one http://paste.debian.net/plain/787478 |
| 18:59 |
Megaf |
thank you agaran, I do appreciate |
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agaran |
Megaf: not sure if by half, but I'd try taking some mem away from mysql if it is not getting much hits nor memory footprint increases.. |
| 19:01 |
Calinou |
<Megaf> 158MB for my future PhpBB3 web forum |
| 19:01 |
Calinou |
why not Discourse, Flarum, NodeBB? |
| 19:01 |
Calinou |
phpBB is so 2005 :/ |
| 19:01 |
Megaf |
Calinou: well, once I tried something else, forum was totally taken by spam |
| 19:02 |
Megaf |
PhpBB3 ofter a heck lot of control |
| 19:02 |
Megaf |
and it's quite efficient |
| 19:02 |
Megaf |
Calinou: if you can suggest something with more control, as easy as PhpBB3, that uses SQlite, and uses even less memory, maybe running on its own web server, please do it |
| 19:03 |
Calinou |
Discourse has pretty low amounts of spam in my experience |
| 19:03 |
Megaf |
and PhpBB3 is quite well tested |
| 19:03 |
Calinou |
no idea about Flarum/NodeBB |
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Megaf |
memory use on the host actually dropped, cool |
| 19:08 |
Megaf |
-/+ buffers/cache: 612 374 |
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Megaf |
Swap: 4095 195 3900 |
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shamoanjac |
once upon a time |
| 19:15 |
shamoanjac |
Minetest had 2D mobs |
| 19:15 |
Calinou |
yes, either upright sprites or Doom-like sprites |
| 19:15 |
shamoanjac |
0.3 never forget |
| 19:15 |
aix |
and they were great |
| 19:15 |
aix |
10/10 |
| 19:15 |
shamoanjac |
make Minetest great again |
| 19:15 |
aix |
rats and oerrikis right |
| 19:15 |
shamoanjac |
I only remember rats |
| 19:15 |
aix |
i miss oerrikis |
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Calinou |
you can add them back using a mobs mod :P |
| 19:16 |
Calinou |
you can even add them as 2D mobs |
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aix |
b-but |
| 19:16 |
aix |
they won't be the same ;~; |
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shamoanjac |
tfw I will never be 15 and trying to understand Lua again |
| 19:19 |
shamoanjac |
tfw I will never be 14 and discovering all those Minecraft clones again |
| 19:19 |
shamoanjac |
world is a fuck |
| 19:19 |
shamoanjac |
born to die |
| 19:21 |
Megaf |
Calinou: NodeBB looks pretty good |
| 19:21 |
Megaf |
I will spin a 128 MB container is see if it runs well on it |
| 19:22 |
Calinou |
it's probably slightly RAM heavy, Node.js is not known for low RAM usage |
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Megaf |
Calinou: it doesnt support sqlite =/ |
| 19:31 |
Calinou |
can't you use MySQL? |
| 19:31 |
Calinou |
SQLite is not renowned for its performance :P |
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Megaf |
Calinou: actually sqlite can be pretty fast |
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Calinou |
in non-synchronous mode, yes, but then it's insecure |
| 19:32 |
Megaf |
and has low resources utilization |
| 19:32 |
Megaf |
Calinou: why insecure? |
| 19:32 |
Calinou |
both Minetest and Tox (two SQLite users I know) discourage using asynchronous mode |
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Calinou |
and don't default to it, too |
| 19:33 |
Calinou |
however you could try using sqlite_synchronous = 0 if you make frequent backups... |
| 19:34 |
Calinou |
heh, I found a flying papyrus naturally generated on my server |
| 19:34 |
Megaf |
my server have been using asyncronous for about two years now without data loss |
| 19:34 |
Megaf |
and several crashes |
| 19:34 |
Megaf |
anyone, installing NodeJS and company on a new container |
| 19:35 |
Megaf |
anyway* |
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Megaf |
and failed! |
| 19:35 |
Megaf |
man, I never got this thing to work |
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Megaf |
bash: line 264: 6415 Killed "$node" cli.js install -gf/package |
| 19:35 |
Megaf |
It failed |
| 19:35 |
Megaf |
very memory intesive indeed |
| 19:35 |
Megaf |
[ 3437.001029] Out of memory in UB 108: OOM killed process 6415 (npm) score 0 vm:727060kB, rss:122780kB, swap:0kB |
| 19:35 |
Calinou |
https://lut.im/qsXKBTmFmO/cwv1Hno48ABtTxKe.png |
| 19:36 |
Megaf |
Calinou: the .png is not necessary :S https://lut.im/qsXKBTmFmO/cwv1Hno48ABtTxKe |
| 19:37 |
Calinou |
I didn't configure Minetest to make .jpg screenshots |
| 19:37 |
Calinou |
you have metered Internet? |
| 19:39 |
Megaf |
what? I just said that in the link the .png part of the URL is not necessary |
| 19:39 |
Megaf |
I have ulimited internet |
| 19:41 |
Out`Of`Control |
i have limited net |
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Out`Of`Control |
5TiB a day |
| 19:41 |
Out`Of`Control |
hi |
| 19:41 |
Megaf |
2016-08-08 16:35:17: ERROR[Server]: /run/shm/SourceMegafServer/src/server.cpp:73: virtual void* ServerThread::run(): A fatal error occured: Failed to save block: database or disk is full |
| 19:41 |
Megaf |
=/ |
| 19:41 |
Megaf |
full again |
| 19:43 |
i- |
happens all the time with aws |
| 19:43 |
i- |
I put my main disk at 8gb |
| 19:43 |
Calinou |
well, lut.im adds .png to the end of URLs by default, I just copy-paste it |
| 19:43 |
i- |
and it gets full very quick |
| 19:43 |
nuzzle |
ok |
| 19:44 |
prrpx |
now that all of you are talking about servers and stuff |
| 19:44 |
Megaf |
Darkside_: server is back if you are interesed in returning to it |
| 19:44 |
Megaf |
!server Megaf |
| 19:44 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 9ms |
| 19:44 |
prrpx |
how much RAM and disk space does a popular minetest server consume? |
| 19:45 |
Calinou |
my 16 GB microSD that's in my RPi 3 has 8.3 GB left after installing quite a lot of software |
| 19:45 |
Megaf |
all RAM you have |
| 19:45 |
Calinou |
for my ODROID I'm getting a 32 GB microSD, so that I'll have more spare space :p |
| 19:45 |
* Megaf |
was the pioneer of Minetest on ARM |
| 19:45 |
Calinou |
I wonder if the ODROID C2 is good enough for a small Minetest server |
| 19:45 |
Megaf |
before it was cool |
| 19:45 |
Calinou |
(that is, with less than 5 seconds of lag) |
| 19:46 |
Megaf |
Calinou: I used to run my server on my ODroid U3 |
| 19:46 |
Megaf |
4 cores at 1.2 GHz and 2GB of RAM I think |
| 19:46 |
Megaf |
ran pretty well |
| 19:47 |
Fixer |
Calinou: back then MT run on Celeron 533MHz/192mb ram iirc |
| 19:47 |
Fixer |
0.2 times |
| 19:48 |
Calinou |
Megaf: ok, should be fine then |
| 19:48 |
Calinou |
what's the power usage like? I read it was ~1.5W at idle, ~4W at load for a RPi 3 |
| 19:49 |
* Calinou |
wishes he had fiber, still |
| 19:49 |
Calinou |
I could actually self-host some things :/ |
| 19:50 |
Calinou |
I know I have a good VPS, but still |
| 19:50 |
Megaf |
Calinou: not sure |
| 19:50 |
Megaf |
so, openVz has a terrible fault |
| 19:51 |
Megaf |
/dev/ploop29149p1 9.9G 5.6G 3.8G 60% / |
| 19:51 |
Megaf |
minetest mt:~/MegafServer/BinMegafServer$ mkdir a |
| 19:51 |
Megaf |
mkdir: cannot create directory `a': No space left on device |
| 19:51 |
Calinou |
no inodes left? |
| 19:51 |
Calinou |
I had that issue too |
| 19:51 |
Megaf |
How do I fix that? |
| 19:51 |
Calinou |
something must be creating tons of files |
| 19:51 |
Calinou |
type "df -i", make a pastebin of the output |
| 19:51 |
Megaf |
Calinou: tons of players files |
| 19:51 |
Megaf |
Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on |
| 19:51 |
Megaf |
/dev/ploop29149p1 655360 75893 579467 12% / |
| 19:52 |
Calinou |
!server Calinou |
| 19:52 |
MinetestBot |
Calinou: Calinou [Europe/Paris] (survival - minimal mods) | hugo.pro:30002 | Clients: 7/32, 1/9 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 10ms |
| 19:52 |
Calinou |
got 9 clients today :p |
| 19:52 |
Fixer |
551 players right now |
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| 19:57 |
Calinou |
there's a server running 291 mods ._. |
| 19:58 |
Calinou |
in comparison, I run 35 mods |
| 19:58 |
Hijiri |
what server? |
| 19:58 |
Megaf |
vzctl compact my do the trick |
| 19:58 |
Megaf |
might* |
| 20:02 |
Fixer |
Calinou: vanessaz dreambuilder creative? |
| 20:03 |
Megaf |
before compact in my containers 3.5G free in the host. After compact on mt container, 4GB free, after compact in all containers with Compact 108 && Compact 107 && Compact 106 && Compact 105 && Compact 104 && Compact 103 && Compact 102. 5.1GB free |
| 20:03 |
Megaf |
Calinou: ^ |
| 20:03 |
aix |
https://sr.ht/HjW-.png |
| 20:03 |
Megaf |
not bad |
| 20:04 |
Calinou |
Fixer: trainwrecktony's server |
| 20:05 |
Fixer |
Calinou: try connecting to it |
| 20:05 |
Calinou |
meh |
| 20:08 |
Megaf |
!server Megaf |
| 20:08 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms |
| 20:08 |
Megaf |
Calinou: how do you get the mod count? |
| 20:08 |
Calinou |
http://servers.minetest.net - hover the subgame name |
| 20:11 |
Megaf |
agaran: did I show you the suspended bridge near the pyramid? |
| 20:11 |
Megaf |
we used ropes there |
| 20:12 |
agaran |
Megaf: nope, not yet and today is too late for me to play in MT |
| 20:12 |
i- |
I'm trying to run a server, but I get https://p.ngx.cc/1c348395798ce64a |
| 20:12 |
Megaf |
no worries, is the arenito road, jus follow it |
| 20:12 |
Megaf |
sandstone road and bridges |
| 20:12 |
Megaf |
south of spawn |
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bkeys |
Are there any minetest developers here? |
| 20:19 |
i- |
bkeys: yeah, there is, but I am not one of them |
| 20:20 |
bkeys |
Alright, I am working on a personal project and am trying to think of the best way to store my keybindings to a file and asking their opinion on the way to do that |
| 20:20 |
bkeys |
So far I have been just putting it in an XML file |
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aix |
how does worldedit_limited work? |
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sfan5 |
i-: have you tried installing minetest_game |
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sfan5 |
bkeys: xml is shit, use json |
| 20:46 |
bkeys |
I know xml is shit but I am using the SuperTuxKart stuff for the car attributes and such |
| 20:46 |
bkeys |
So it would be best to standardize around one datachange format, even if it is shitty |
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sfan5 |
ugh |
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bkeys |
I know |
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bkeys |
But I would rather not reinvent what STK just for the sake of JSON since this is not even that big of a file |
| 20:49 |
sfan5 |
well then keep using xml |
| 20:53 |
Nosrick |
I'm getting a really bizarre crash. |
| 20:53 |
Nosrick |
It totally destroys Minetest. |
| 20:54 |
Nosrick |
Like, no regular error, it throws a win32 exception, when reading memory location 0x000000000000 |
| 20:54 |
aix |
https://sr.ht/ZxTk.png anyone miss these |
| 20:54 |
bkeys |
I thought the box said "memes" for a second |
| 20:54 |
sfan5 |
that's a null pointer dereference |
| 20:55 |
aix |
dank mese |
| 20:55 |
Nosrick |
Yeah, I know. That's an engine bug, right? |
| 20:55 |
Fixer |
aix: nope |
| 20:55 |
bkeys |
kek |
| 20:55 |
aix |
uhrm |
| 20:55 |
sfan5 |
probably |
| 20:56 |
Fixer |
Nosrick: check you memory |
| 20:57 |
Nosrick |
How do I do that? |
| 20:57 |
i- |
mese? mesa |
| 20:57 |
Passant |
is it possible to give the player some kinda a drunk effect? that he/she is kinda swing to the left and right when walking? |
| 20:58 |
Nosrick |
Maybe use set_velocity()? |
| 20:58 |
Darkside_ |
sure probably only takes some coding skills to achieve that ;) |
| 20:59 |
Passant |
so... velocity doesn't just control the running speed? |
| 21:00 |
Fixer |
Nosrick: nevermind, try googling that error, it could be os problem |
| 21:00 |
aix |
how is the cave monster spelled |
| 21:00 |
aix |
the one in 0.3 |
| 21:01 |
Nosrick |
I think you can set directional velocity. |
| 21:02 |
Passant |
i'll read more about velocity, thanks :) |
| 21:03 |
Fixer |
dungeon master |
| 21:03 |
Calinou |
players don't have a velocity, so no, you can't set a velocity to them |
| 21:03 |
Calinou |
(server-side that is) |
| 21:03 |
Calinou |
so, drunk effect is not possible |
| 21:05 |
Passant |
nah, sad :( ... Calinou does that mean https://github.com/blert2112/mobs_more_monsters/blob/master/mobs_sandworm/init.lua#L91 is mainly everything possible? |
| 21:06 |
i- |
building with minetest_game seems to work |
| 21:07 |
Darkside_ |
it is possible just need a script to move the player a bit to left and right with intervals and potions and playereffects can be a good piece for such mod ;) |
| 21:07 |
Calinou |
if you move player on every step, it won't feel good at all |
| 21:07 |
Calinou |
it needs to be an actual velocity change |
| 21:08 |
T4im |
you could change speed though and inflict players to overcorrect |
| 21:09 |
Nosrick |
So I've isolated the crash: it's happening in a table. |
| 21:10 |
Nosrick |
In a pairs(table) call. |
| 21:10 |
Passant |
hmm maybe the api allows more in this case somewhen.. |
| 21:10 |
Nosrick |
Or not... |
| 21:11 |
Passant |
or not... ^^ |
| 21:11 |
Nosrick |
Sorry, I was muttering to myself. |
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Darkside_ |
it's ok no animals were hurt ;) |
| 21:15 |
Passant |
just made an issue, lets see :3 |
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aix |
https://sr.ht/UcVV.png remember when mese looked like this? |
| 21:37 |
Nosrick |
There, I opened an issue about this null pointer exception. |
| 21:39 |
Hijiri |
Nosrick: there are some callbacks where you don't get proper error handling |
| 21:40 |
Hijiri |
like entity on_step |
| 21:40 |
Nosrick |
I'm only using on_punch. |
| 21:40 |
Hijiri |
maybe on_punch too |
| 21:40 |
Nosrick |
I'm going to see if I can narrow it down to a single function. |
| 21:40 |
Calinou |
aix: it was horrible :p |
| 21:40 |
T4im |
don't you have a stack trace? |
| 21:40 |
aix |
ikr |
| 21:41 |
Nosrick |
Nope, no stack trace. |
| 21:41 |
Nosrick |
No nothing. |
| 21:41 |
Nosrick |
It just crashes. |
| 21:41 |
T4im |
as in segfaults? |
| 21:41 |
Nosrick |
I tried debugging, but the most info I get is a read error at 0x0000000000000 |
| 21:42 |
T4im |
maybe make sure that's actually functions you're calling |
| 21:42 |
Hijiri |
Nosrick: if you get a lua error in some callbacks then you don't get a stack trace |
| 21:43 |
aix |
https://sr.ht/NA87.txt |
| 21:43 |
Hijiri |
try putting an error() at the beginning of the function and see if you get a similar crash |
| 21:44 |
T4im |
there is this lua function "type(something)" that will return a string with what you passed it |
| 21:44 |
Hijiri |
it doesn't look like Nosrick ever inserts anything into the table at all |
| 21:45 |
T4im |
not in that gist, but he also implied to have more code somewhere else |
| 21:45 |
Megaf |
[ 8812.301692] Out of memory in UB 102: OOM killed process 1504 (minetestserver) score 0 vm:509152kB, rss:252944kB, swap:2396kB |
| 21:45 |
Hijiri |
oh |
| 21:45 |
Nosrick |
So I put in an error() |
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* T4im |
is just guessing though |
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* Megaf |
dreams of one day the memory leak on minetest server is fixed |
| 21:45 |
Nosrick |
I get a Lua error |
| 21:45 |
Hijiri |
ok |
| 21:45 |
Hijiri |
so I guess "bad callback" isn't the problem |
| 21:45 |
Nosrick |
This is a hard crash, like a total stop, with a "not responding" message kind of crash. |
| 21:45 |
T4im |
in luajit? |
| 21:46 |
T4im |
try vanilla lua |
| 21:46 |
T4im |
i actually get different crash behavior here from them |
| 21:46 |
T4im |
:) |
| 21:46 |
Nosrick |
How do I do that? |
| 21:46 |
T4im |
ah, let me guess, you don't compile yourself? :( |
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Nosrick |
I don't think I do, no. |
| 21:47 |
T4im |
hm |
| 21:47 |
Nosrick |
I just slap my code into Minetest and hope for the best |
| 21:47 |
Nosrick |
It's worked well for me up until now. |
| 21:47 |
Hijiri |
time for print debugging |
| 21:47 |
Hijiri |
or have someone make a non luajit build maybe, if there isn't already one on the forumms |
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Hijiri |
Nosrick: maybe you can post the code of the callbacks that you register to the issue |
| 21:52 |
Nosrick |
Sure, yeah. |
| 21:54 |
Nosrick |
I actually think it's the table. |
| 21:55 |
Nosrick |
I took out all the registrations, and it still crashes. |
| 22:00 |
Hijiri |
Nosrick: oh, I see the problem |
| 22:00 |
Hijiri |
wait |
| 22:00 |
Hijiri |
I'm not sure |
| 22:00 |
Nosrick |
I just isolated it to the set_hp(). |
| 22:00 |
Hijiri |
where is on_punch used? |
| 22:01 |
Hijiri |
target might be an ObjectRef and not a luaentity |
| 22:01 |
Nosrick |
In an entity's on_punch callback. |
| 22:01 |
Hijiri |
so target = self? |
| 22:01 |
Hijiri |
in argument position |
| 22:01 |
Nosrick |
Yup. |
| 22:02 |
Hijiri |
ok |
| 22:02 |
Hijiri |
It looks like you were already going in that direction, but you can print the values of target.object.set_hp and get_hp to see if they're defined |
| 22:03 |
Nosrick |
I'll give it a shot. |
| 22:04 |
Nosrick |
Ah ha. |
| 22:05 |
Nosrick |
When I try to print out the values of get and set HP, set_hp() causes a Lua error. |
| 22:06 |
Nosrick |
"attempt to concatenate a nil value" |
| 22:06 |
Hijiri |
I mean print the vale of set_hp |
| 22:06 |
Hijiri |
not the output |
| 22:06 |
Hijiri |
value |
| 22:06 |
Nosrick |
How do I do that? |
| 22:06 |
Hijiri |
print(target.object.set_hp) |
| 22:07 |
Nosrick |
Aaaand my explorer.exe just crashed |
| 22:08 |
Nosrick |
Brb, got to reboot. |
| 22:08 |
Hijiri |
sometimes you can open task manager |
| 22:08 |
Nosrick |
Nope, can't open it. |
| 22:08 |
Hijiri |
even if explorer is dead |
| 22:08 |
Nosrick |
Can't ctrl+alt+del either. |
| 22:08 |
Hijiri |
not even with ctrl + shift + esc? |
| 22:08 |
Hijiri |
ok |
| 22:08 |
T4im |
:o |
| 22:09 |
Nosrick |
It's my fucking wireless driver again |
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Nosrick |
Grumble grumble |
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Nosrick |
So I try to print the value of get and set hp |
| 22:33 |
Nosrick |
And it just crashes |
| 22:33 |
Nosrick |
(Lua error this time) |
| 22:34 |
Nosrick |
Ah, I was trying to concatenate them to other strings. |
| 22:34 |
Nosrick |
Both of them print out pointers. |
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rubenwardy |
pointers? Lua doesn't have pointers |
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rubenwardy |
do you mean table references? |
| 22:36 |
rubenwardy |
or indices |
| 22:36 |
rubenwardy |
have been away for a day or so |
| 22:36 |
rubenwardy |
but I read the logs |
| 22:37 |
Nosrick |
Aaaaah |
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Nosrick |
I mean 0xstuff |
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Hijiri |
sounds like the methods aren't null at least, then |
| 22:48 |
Nosrick |
Right, I need to go to bed. |
| 22:49 |
Nosrick |
Later, taters. |
| 22:49 |
Nosrick |
Thanks for helping me, again. |
| 22:50 |
rubenwardy |
my comment on the C/Rust/Python/Lua flamewar: ES6 Javascript is almost the best language IMO |
| 22:51 |
rubenwardy |
nice class syntax, no need for pointers, promises for asynchronous processing |
| 22:51 |
rubenwardy |
no counting from 1 |
| 22:51 |
rubenwardy |
no whitespace dependent code |
| 22:52 |
rubenwardy |
just missing a nice foreach structure |
| 22:52 |
rubenwardy |
and also compile time type checking |
| 22:54 |
rubenwardy |
I do like Python though. But I've written medium sized projects in both, and I just prefer ES6 and find it easier |
| 22:54 |
rubenwardy |
also Python is not good for a scripting language due to its module design |
| 22:57 |
rubenwardy |
well, s/scripting/plugin/g |
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xunto |
rubenwardy: lol, isn't it strange to compare C/Rust and Python/Lua/JS? I don't agree with your js-love but even idea of such comparing is stupid) |
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rubenwardy |
Well, I was more comparing against python |
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xunto |
"Different needs — different instruments" is my opinion anyway. |
| 23:10 |
rubenwardy |
very true |
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