Time  Nick            Message
01:58 Jellonator      Hey, I'm trying to set a bone's position on my model, but every time I do so, it flips upsidedown
02:10 Jellonator      And for some reason it seems like the normals are inverted too
02:11 thePalindrome   In minetest?
02:11 DonBatman       Jellonator More info needed please
02:12 Jellonator      https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8733 ah I found it on the forums
02:12 Jellonator      Doesn't provide a fix though
02:14 Jellonator      Buf if I call `self.object:set_bone_position("foo", {x=0,y=0,z=0},{x=0,y=0,z=45});`, then the whole model flips scales by -1, and it doesn't even rotate the model at all despite having a 'foo' bone
02:14 Hijiri          Jellonator: there's no indication that the bug was ever fixed
02:15 Jellonator      Yeah, I saw that part :(
02:16 Hijiri          I don't know much about modeling, but b3d has bones too, right?
02:16 Hijiri          the github issue only mentions .x models
02:16 Hijiri          maybe it works in b3d models? I don't know though
02:16 Jellonator      I assume once it's been loaded it's all the same, I could definitely be wrong though
02:16 Jellonator      And I was trying .b3d too, but I never got that to work either
02:17 Hijiri          you got the same bone bugs with .b3dd?
02:17 Jellonator      No, I just never got the armature to work
02:19 Hijiri          This topic suggests that b3d has some of the same problems: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=14257
02:19 Hijiri          that is about attached objects though]
02:20 Hijiri          also what is an armature?
02:21 Hijiri          there is also some discussion in the github issue saying that b3d doesn't have someo f the issues of x format
02:21 Hijiri          so maybe it would help (?)
02:21 Jellonator      armature is a collection of bones
02:21 thePalindrome   iirc I use obj files
02:21 thePalindrome   lemme check
02:21 Hijiri          thePalindrome: do they have any issues with setting bone position?
02:22 Jellonator      obj doesn't have bones, it's a static model
02:23 thePalindrome   Good point
02:23 thePalindrome   It might be irrlicht
02:34 Jellonator      Eh, I guess it's not important, it's just animation
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03:13 Hijiri          I wonder how good of an abstraction a literal entity component system would be as a mod framework
03:14 Hijiri          they would be like mini entities that live inside the entity, but share the same body
03:29 XtremeHacker_   Hey OldCoder, heard you were good for Blender help, I was wondering if you knew of a "noob" animating guide, I can make models, I just can't figure out how to make animations, via bones.
03:30 swift110-phone  hey all
03:30 XtremeHacker_   Hi
03:31 swift110-phone  how are you
03:36 DonBatman       XtremeHacker this might help - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-uTdq9t8wyzw6xDPaVeXrx75vmErgXmZ
03:38 XtremeHacker_   Thanks Don, and I'm doing good @swift.
03:39 XtremeHacker_   Got to go, bye.
03:39 XtremeHacker_   And thanks
03:39 DonBatman       Bye
03:48 OldCoder        XtremeHacker, Hi
03:49 OldCoder        XtremeHacker, speak with me tomorrow or later tonight; but as Don points out there are YT videos
03:49 swift110-phone  hey oldcoder
03:49 OldCoder        The trick
03:49 OldCoder        Hi
03:49 OldCoder        is to start with the right version of Blender
03:49 OldCoder        Ask NathanS about that
03:49 OldCoder        Then to find YT videos that match that release
03:49 OldCoder        I think newer releases of Blender don't work with the plugin
03:49 OldCoder        That imports MT models
03:50 OldCoder        They can probably export stuff done from scratch OK; need to check this
03:50 OldCoder        XtremeHacker, ^
04:04 swift110-phone  what are you using blender for?
04:05 thePalindrome   3d rigs
04:11 swift110-phone  what do you mean like what are you trying to do
04:39 swift110-phone  ok
04:39 swift110-phone  must be busy
04:57 redblade        hi
04:57 redblade        i'm trying to report an illegal minetest copy but...how the heck do i create a new folder in github?
04:59 swift110-phone  how can a copy of minetest be illega
04:59 redblade        because it's called "minecraft"
04:59 redblade        and is adware
05:00 swift110-phone  oh i see
05:00 redblade        or is there a way to rename the folder Evil_Craft
05:03 swift110-phone  lol
05:07 redblade        i got a fork and can't rename or create a folder
05:07 redblade        the instructions don't say how
05:07 redblade        https://github.com/redblade7/Minetest_Copy_Report/tree/%22redblade7%22%22Minecraft-(counterfeit)-(unconfirmed)%22/OFFENDERS/Evil_Craft%20%5Bexample%5D
05:08 swift110-phone  ok
05:09 redblade        here are the instructions
05:09 redblade        https://github.com/azekillDIABLO/Minetest_Copy_Report
05:09 redblade        this is the information i want to put in it
05:09 redblade        https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14560
05:12 swift110-phone  ok
05:20 redblade        i'll bbl please tell me when i get back
05:28 shangul         is it possible to run server on an android dev and then play over wifi?
06:00 thePalindrome   Uhhh... Probably?
06:00 * thePalindrome sleeps
06:46 redblade        i'm going to bed too i  think, goodnight
06:50 Alison          Hello
07:45 shangul         Alison, hi
07:45 shangul         lol
07:46 shangul         its noon and u r going to sleep?!
07:46 shangul         it seems u r on the other side of earth
07:59 rom1504         so?
08:00 shangul         ???
08:00 rom1504         he might well be on the other side of the earth
08:30 Passant         hi there, can i make minetest show in which mod exactly this issue is? Field "height_min": Deprecated: new name is "y_min".
08:31 Passant         (or did someone solved this already and know from which mod this potencially comes from?)
08:52 Krock           Calinou, "The latest development versions of Minetest no longer have the version watermark in the upper-left corner." true but it's visible in the title ;)
08:56 Hijiri          Passant: do you know how to use grep?
08:57 Hijiri          and are you on a system that has grep
08:57 Krock           Passant, put this code http://pastebin.com/96utR9fs into builtin/game/register.lua at the very bottom
08:57 Krock           (untested)
08:58 Krock           or use grep, that's a good idea too
08:58 Passant         Krock: yes, i know about grep :)
08:59 Passant         print("Deprecated param in mod: "..(core.get_current_modname() or "unknown")) ... i see - wouldn't an improvement for the official minetest?
09:00 Passant         *wouldn't it
09:01 Out`Of`Control  Hi
09:01 Out`Of`Control  is there a mod that auto kick/ban flood?
09:02 shangul         hello
09:02 Passant         out of control want control :D
09:02 Out`Of`Control  yeah
09:02 Out`Of`Control  or limit max chars send
09:03 Passant         so saw something like that...but what was it's name ...
09:05 Out`Of`Control  Passant: btw homedecore modpack has that height_min/max it was fixed recent
09:06 Out`Of`Control  in your mod folder# grep -r -H "height_min"
09:06 Passant         aah, so grep meant something like cat *.lua |grep height_min is see
09:06 Passant         well, this is something i should know by my self >.< hehe, thanks for the hint
09:07 Passant         but because your request, i guess VanessaE was a contributor of the mod... but i just ... dont .. find it again
09:09 Out`Of`Control  https://github.com/minetest-mods
09:10 Passant         Out`Of`Control: there was something else, but this might also helpful for you https://github.com/DonBatman/myadmin
09:14 Out`Of`Control  thanks
09:21 JamesTait       Good morning all! Happy Tuesday, and happy Book Lovers' Day! 😃  🕮
09:48 Krock           Passant, yes but I wasn't sure if you're on Winblows or Loonix
09:51 Out`Of`Control  Krock: hey,  do you know any mod that block chat flood?
09:51 Out`Of`Control  or autokick flooder
09:51 Krock           chatplus?
09:52 Krock           not sure
09:52 Krock           I'm not a server owner (anymore) thus this doesn't really overlap with the mods I use
09:52 Out`Of`Control  they add many lines of text + empty space, so it looks as other player wrote it
09:52 Out`Of`Control  Krock:  ok
09:54 Krock           would be easy to push some keywords through the search engine if hostinger wasn't so slow today
09:55 Out`Of`Control  i have look into chatplus don't see any flood protection
09:57 Krock           1 moment.. writing a mod for that
09:58 Out`Of`Control  :)
09:59 Nosrick         Hey folks
09:59 shangul         hi
09:59 Darkside_       hi
10:00 Out`Of`Control  hi
10:00 Nosrick         Wow, lots of people around today.
10:00 shangul         nahi
10:01 shangul         im away
10:06 aix             same
10:15 Calinou         <rubenwardy> and also compile time type checking
10:16 Calinou         use TypeScript then :p
10:16 shangul         Calinou, what is ur job?
10:18 Calinou         student?
10:18 shangul         not real life...
10:22 shangul         i didnt mean real life
10:22 Krock           Out`Of`Control, http://pastebin.com/i3VX5Qjq
10:23 Krock           disclaimer: it's untested
10:24 Krock           it will trim messages like "                  " to "     "
10:25 Krock           and so on
10:25 Out`Of`Control  Krock:  thanks
10:25 Krock           np
10:25 Out`Of`Control  "max_names_per_ip = X" does not work in 0.4.14 ?
10:25 Krock           names_per_ip works fine
10:27 Out`Of`Control  Krock:  thank you will test in a min on test server
10:42 Out`Of`Control  Krock:  looks as it works great, but need more testing
10:42 Krock           \o/
10:43 Krock           but it also would kick admins :3
10:43 shangul         lol
10:43 Out`Of`Control  Krock: i flood as much ican did not kick
10:44 Out`Of`Control  what to test?
10:44 Out`Of`Control  want
10:44 Krock           then paste the contents of a file
10:44 Krock           that's really spammy
10:44 shangul         lol
10:45 Out`Of`Control  thats what i did, i paste 5 lines of random text at once
10:47 Krock           it will kick with 8 lines
10:47 Krock           >= 8
10:47 Out`Of`Control  i paste 14 lines got no warning or kick
10:48 Out`Of`Control  odd, min a go blocked 5 lines of flood
10:48 Krock           err.. are you sure that the mod is running?
10:48 Out`Of`Control  yes as it worked min a go, did not restart
10:49 Krock           where are you testing this?
10:49 Megaf           anyone else here with such a little delay on ones ssh remote server connection that one can't tell it's connected to a remote server?
10:49 Megaf           Hi everybody
10:49 Megaf           Really, there's no delay at all from the moment I press a key and I see it on the ssh terminal
10:49 shangul         hi
10:49 Out`Of`Control  Krock:  mt.rbose.org port 30003
10:50 shangul         it was 30000
10:50 Krock           hi Megaf
10:50 Out`Of`Control  hi Megaf
10:50 Out`Of`Control  shangul: its a test server
10:51 shangul         30003 is for testing?
10:52 Krock           you've got some mods there.. 500 MB ram used
10:52 shangul         do u play on 30000 too?
10:52 Megaf           Krock: Oo
10:52 Krock           700 now
10:52 Out`Of`Control  shangul:  i wont flood main server
10:52 Megaf           OO
10:52 * Krock         closes firefox to free some memory
10:53 Out`Of`Control  oh yeah many mods, i can disable them
10:53 Out`Of`Control  Krock:  i send short text 9 times, 3 times got blocked, but 1 long passes
10:53 Out`Of`Control  so there is no limit how many chars you can send at once
10:54 shangul         <Out`Of`Control> shangul:  i wont flood main server => i meant playing on the main server
10:55 Out`Of`Control  Krock:  give me a min please i disable mods
10:58 Darkside_       megaf: now i only need a shield then i have full diamond armor on your server :) those travelnets helped out great saved me at least an hour digin down :)
10:59 Megaf           Darkside_: Cool! I'm glad that was helpfull to you. We did the dig ourselves so players could use their time in more fun stuff, like creating armours!
11:00 Megaf           Darkside_: and you are going to need the armour, trust me
11:00 Megaf           !server Megaf
11:00 MinetestBot     Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/24, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms
11:00 Out`Of`Control  Krock: try now
11:00 nm0i            Morning
11:00 Krock           I couldn't try before. Router crashed
11:01 Out`Of`Control  i disable many mods
11:01 Krock           and I disabled the mesh cache
11:01 Out`Of`Control  oh
11:02 Krock           oh yes. from 900 MB down to 125 MB, that's really a difference to before
11:03 Out`Of`Control  Krock:  there is no limit how many chars you can send at once
11:04 Out`Of`Control  or it does not work
11:04 Krock           1 moment
11:04 Krock           I'm fixing this already
11:10 shamoanjac      pls implement sending chunks with deflate
11:21 FirePowi        Hey ! How to make an Account for Minetest Wiki, please ?
11:23 Out`Of`Control  FirePowi: ask Calinou
11:23 FirePowi        I may send him a email ?
11:23 FirePowi        (He is afk)
11:24 FirePowi        Calinou, je peux avoir accès au Wiki, stp ? Je t’envoie mon adresse mail en MP.
11:25 Krock           Out`Of`Control, updated http://pastebin.com/i3VX5Qjq
11:26 Out`Of`Control  Krock:  welcome back sec
11:26 Krock           ty
11:27 Calinou         FirePowi: je regarde ça dans 1 heure environ
11:27 FirePowi        Ok, merci ! :-)
11:27 Krock           #minetest-fr ?
11:27 FirePowi        Oups ^^'
11:29 Out`Of`Control  Krock:  works fine now thank you
11:30 Krock           uh no, it doesn't
11:36 Krock           Out`Of`Control, moved an 'if' some lines up to make it kick people
11:37 Out`Of`Control  oh
11:42 Krock           Out`Of`Control, I placed a door
11:42 Out`Of`Control  Krock:  server crashed lol
11:42 Out`Of`Control  i disable many mods, something got broken
11:43 Krock           I think this is a MTG issue
11:44 Out`Of`Control  ServerError: Lua: Runtime error from mod 'doors' in callback item_OnPlace(): /home/minetest/bin/../games/ayntest/mods/doors/init.lua:41: attempt to index a nil value
11:45 Out`Of`Control  i move mod to life server
12:04 shangul         MinetestBot, hi
12:05 MinetestBot     Hello shangul, how are you today?
12:06 shangul         Minetest, i'm fine. are you ok?
12:06 shangul         :D
12:06 MinetestBot     Yes, I'm good.
12:06 shangul         i think it just answers to hi and hello
12:06 shangul         what?
12:07 shangul         is there a human behind bot?
12:07 MinetestBot     I'm not a bot, didn't you know?
12:07 shangul         MinetestBot, mjadjtgpjgptg
12:07 Darkside_       lol
12:07 shangul         who is controling him?
12:09 shangul         MinetestBot, don't play role for me!i was master in it before you!
12:09 agrecascino     help
12:10 agrecascino     after installing fun_caves
12:10 agrecascino     i don't have any more caves
12:13 sfan5           the mod is probably broken
12:13 sfan5           which minetest version do you use?
12:13 agrecascino     0.4.14
12:13 sfan5           hm
12:13 sfan5           well i'd suggest asking the mod author about the problem
12:14 agrecascino     i'm getting an error in console, along the lines of heightmap is nil
12:15 agrecascino     and i think this has to do with having ethereal mapgen with it
12:20 agrecascino     man realizes he was using an ancient version of ethereal mapgen
12:44 Darkside_       http://pastebin.com/tCYWFY7c it took a bit of work but now my mod compresses and decrompresses 16 default nodes including dirt,sand and obsidian
12:45 Darkside_       and 16 new compressed nodes are added that can be placed to build with group cracky and sand dirt crumbly too :)
12:51 Darkside_       since players run always out of storage space for cobblestone, they end up throwing stuff away to later find out they needed it :/
13:00 Krock           btw: '"darkcraft:cobble" 1' is equal to "darkcraft:cobble 1"
13:01 Krock           and that's equal to "darkcraft:cobble"
13:01 Krock           you could shorten that code a lot by writing a function to register them easily
13:02 Darkside_       oh ok thanks :)
13:02 Krock           np. I could show you an example of that said function if you want
13:03 Krock           no idea how long you're in Lua programming yet
13:04 Darkside_       nah im too noobie for now i gotta download some e-books and read a bit, thanks though :)
13:04 Krock           sometimes it's helpful to see and analyze code to understand how it would be possibel or how it works
13:04 Krock           *possible
13:07 Darkside_       yeah true, e-books always help me out a lot with syntax samples and each symbol in it explained :)
13:09 aix             https://github.com/mosstest
13:11 Krock           rekt. A minetest clone in Java
13:11 Krock           but somehow I don't think it's releated with our Minetest
13:13 aix             https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-megapack holy fucking shit
13:14 aix             that's huge
13:14 aix             my browser lagged a little
13:18 Krock           I'd smile if it was called minetest-megafpack
13:18 Krock           Megaf ^
13:19 aix             ...
13:19 Krock           …
13:19 Megaf           x)
13:20 Krock           coolmore than 100 outdated mods
13:20 aix             >outdated
13:20 Krock           s/lm/l m/
13:20 aix             https://sr.ht/VIrl.png
13:20 Krock           these aren't diamonds, right?
13:20 Megaf           aix: Oo
13:20 aix             yeah
13:20 aix             no thats uh
13:20 aix             naqueda
13:21 aix             fuck i turned mining into a rainbow
13:21 aix             but damn
13:21 Megaf           I did the same mistake in the past
13:21 aix             it's beautiful
13:21 Megaf           but I learned that less is better
13:21 Krock           did you replace all with nyancat:rainbow ?
13:21 aix             hah
13:21 Krock           that gives you some color
13:21 aix             Megaf: that's actually true
13:22 aix             Krock: no that gives you a nyancat cuboid
13:22 aix             >replace all
13:22 aix             christ
13:22 aix             i might ABM this out before it takes over
13:22 aix             but it's so pretty
13:22 aix             Megaf: there's some already generated normal mines
13:22 Megaf           I'm here creating a script that creates a Linux portable version of Minetest
13:23 Megaf           it gets the latest git, builds, bundle libs and makes a package
13:23 Megaf           portable package that is
13:24 Megaf           portable version of minetest and minetestserver
13:24 Megaf           portable and optimized
13:24 Megaf           and stuff
13:25 aix             huh
13:25 aix             deeper down is different stone
13:25 aix             that's neat
13:26 aix             man it really messes up caverealms
13:27 Krock           then make it depend on caverealms
13:27 Krock           so it gets loaded after that mod
13:29 aix             uhm
13:30 aix             the fact that it replaces stone with its own makes the caves uglier
13:30 aix             well no they look great
13:30 aix             i just cant see too well lol
13:38 MinetestBot     02[git] 04schuellerf -> 03minetest/minetestmapper: Zoom implementation (--zoom option) 1315fae27 https://git.io/v6c3e (152016-08-09T15:35:36+02:00)
13:39 Krock           wohoo
13:43 aix             i did it
13:43 aix             205 mods
13:46 Krock           hi free electron
13:51 Krock           aix, congrats. 16 almost never used mods on servers can be found on yours: http://pastebin.com/f28ATH2f
13:52 Krock           (however, inttlib is useless because it's an english server)
13:52 aix             channels 1% :)
13:59 aix             we are the 1%®
13:59 aix             Krock: something needed inttlib
14:07 MinetestBot     02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetestmapper: Warn on big image dimensions, fixes #14 132ed4563 https://git.io/v6cCu (152016-08-09T16:04:58+02:00)
14:25 MinetestBot     02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetestmapper: Clarify license situation (closes #26) 13ab167d1 https://git.io/v6c8s (152016-08-09T16:18:04+02:00)
14:58 Megaf           !server Megaf
14:58 MinetestBot     Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms
15:31 cat5e           where can I go to talk about making a mod?
15:31 cat5e           also can I sell a mod?
15:33 Krock           yes you can sell mods like any other software
15:33 Krock           and here is a good place to discuss about mods
15:34 cat5e           ok so
15:35 cat5e           can mods send files to the client?
15:35 cat5e           because I need that
15:35 cat5e           TCP, btw. UDP would suck for file transfer
15:36 MinetestBot     02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetestmapper: Search for colors.txt in multiple locations, fixes #27 136f1b828 https://git.io/v6cwV (152016-08-09T17:35:15+02:00)
15:36 MinetestBot     02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetestmapper: Allow specifying location of colors.txt file 1373dab34 https://git.io/v6cww (152016-08-09T16:45:39+02:00)
15:36 MinetestBot     T4im: Aug-09 13:23 UTC <Krock> Noch mehr cargocult: https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-megapack/tree/master/mods/ ;)
15:37 sfan5           cat5e: you can talk about mods here
15:37 sfan5           mods can't send files to the client
15:37 sfan5           for the sole reason that the client wouldn't know what to do with them
15:37 sfan5           client-side modding is not possible
15:38 cat5e           good so minetest is completely useless for my needs
15:38 cat5e           :/
15:38 MinetestBot     02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetestmapper: Remove a little debug code (oops...) 13c79b5ac https://git.io/v6cwF (152016-08-09T17:36:43+02:00)
15:38 sfan5           you can only mod server-side
15:38 cat5e           sfan5, can I put a server on the server?
15:38 Krock           you can stack them, yes.
15:38 cat5e           like, a webserver
15:39 sfan5           nothing prevents you from running a web server alongside minetest
15:40 cat5e           ok
15:40 cat5e           can I run LLVM from minetest?
15:40 redblade        hi
15:40 redblade        i came here late last night and then i left to go to bed
15:41 redblade        but
15:41 redblade        i'm trying to add a fake minetest to the github repo
15:41 redblade        but i cannot see anything about creating or renaming folders, the stupidest thing
15:42 redblade        i dont know if i missed something, but i cant create new folders or rename "Evil_Craft (example)
15:42 redblade        and the instructions say to do so
15:42 redblade        https://github.com/redblade7/Minetest_Copy_Report/tree/%22redblade7%22%22Minecraft-(counterfeit)-(unconfirmed)%22
15:42 sfan5           cat5e: why would you want to do that
15:42 swift110        hmm
15:42 cat5e           sfan5, because I need it
15:42 redblade        how would i rename "Evil_Craft (example)" folder to "Minecraft (counterfeit) (unconfirmed)"
15:42 redblade        or delete the "Evil_Craft (example)" and create a new folder
15:42 sfan5           well you can use os.execute from lua
15:43 redblade        but i cannot find any way to do that
15:43 redblade        i've looked everywhere on the page
15:43 redblade        there is nothing it seems regarding the manipulation of folders or folder names
15:43 cat5e           sfan5, well uh os.execute won't cut it, I need the LLVM lib
15:43 redblade        only files
15:43 sfan5           cat5e: if there is a lua binding then you an use it
15:43 sfan5           +c
15:46 redblade        i'm asking over in #github maybe they can help me
15:46 sfan5           use an actual git client
15:46 sfan5           instead of their web interface
15:47 redblade        the only thing i know about git is the "git pull" needed when i had to compile development versions of minetest to get mods to work before 0.4.14 came out
15:47 T4im            redblade: https://try.github.io
15:48 redblade        how do you publish it without a password
15:49 redblade        got a 403 after i git pulled
15:50 redblade        https://github.com/redblade7/Minetest_Copy_Report/tree/%22redblade7%22%22Minecraft-(counterfeit)-(unconfirmed)%22
15:50 redblade        sorry
15:50 redblade        git pull https://github.com/redblade7/Minetest_Copy_Report/tree/%22redblade7%22%22Minecraft-(counterfeit)-(unconfirmed)%22
15:51 T4im            that's not a git repo
15:51 redblade        error: The requested URL returned error: 403 while accessing https://github.com/redblade7/Minetest_Copy_Report/tree/%22redblade7%22%22Minecraft-(counterfeit)-(unconfirmed)%22/info/refs
15:51 redblade        fatal: HTTP request failed
15:51 T4im            https://help.github.com/articles/which-remote-url-should-i-use/
15:51 T4im            you might want to go through the github help pages, they should cover everything
15:51 T4im            well, at least the basics
15:52 redblade        yeah, like, what to click on to create new directory, which is nowhere to be found
15:52 redblade        i know git pull but nothing else
15:52 T4im            github does mainly do git repository hosting
15:53 T4im            editing stuff on their web interface is convenience not their main funciton
15:53 redblade        can i shell into something and create the folder that way?
15:53 T4im            you can do it locally and then push the files up
15:53 T4im            btw, git doesn't allow empty directories, so it doesn't make sense for github to offer such a feature
15:53 redblade        what is the url for the minetest_copy_report
15:53 redblade        because the instructions there are wrong
15:53 T4im            they are not
15:54 redblade        they say nothing about using git
15:54 redblade        they say to create a folder
15:54 redblade        and put the files inside
15:54 redblade        it's not like the compilation instructions which tell you to use git
15:54 redblade        and give you the commands to use
15:54 T4im            https://help.github.com/articles/which-remote-url-should-i-use/ <-- these instructions are not wrong
15:54 sfan5           have you tried googling on how to use git
15:55 redblade        no i meant the instructions on the minetest page T4im
15:55 redblade        they say nothing about using git
15:55 T4im            why would they?
15:55 T4im            you are on a git hosting webpage, what else are you gonna use?
15:55 redblade        https://github.com/azekillDIABLO/Minetest_Copy_Report
15:56 redblade        under "First Step"
15:56 redblade        Come back to the main page for this repository and click the "Fork" button in the top right
15:56 redblade        In your copy, in the top right, create a new "branch". Give it a clear name which should look like :
15:56 redblade        "Your_Username":"Full_Name_of_the_app"
15:56 redblade        Second Step:
15:56 redblade        On your copy, build a new file called by the name of the app in 'projects'>>>'offenders'
15:56 redblade        In this file, add:
15:56 T4im            no need to write the entire readme
15:56 redblade        a file called "violations.txt" where you will put what you find wrong on the app you report
15:56 redblade        (etc)
15:56 sfan5           yeah
15:56 redblade        nothing about the need to use git
15:56 sfan5           you've already done that
15:57 sfan5           the first step at least
15:57 sfan5           it doesn't talk about using git
15:57 sfan5           but you still need to use git
15:59 T4im            actually, the webinterace seems to allow creating folders very well as it seems
15:59 T4im            but note: git itself does not allow empty folders, so this is **not** an extra action, that would be impossible
15:59 T4im            just create a new file and place it into a directory, it will create it if necessary
15:59 T4im            the web interface that is
16:00 T4im            but you'd still be adviced to learn git; it's a useful thing; the web interface still has its limitations
16:00 redblade        now please dont tell me i cant delete this abomination
16:00 redblade        in its entirely
16:01 redblade        deleted
16:01 T4im            no idea what you are talking about, really
16:01 T4im            :D
16:01 redblade        if anyone wants to file information on this counterfeit minecraft, feel free. i've mentioned it in the forum
16:02 redblade        deleted the unfixable fork with empty files
16:02 redblade        and i did
16:03 T4im            btw, why didn't you just report it as issue to the repo
16:03 redblade        empty files i created when figuring out how to work
16:03 redblade        a feature enhancement you mean?
16:03 redblade        i'm sure it exists and i can vote on it
16:04 T4im            i meant that weird copy report repo; it has an issue tracker, too
16:05 redblade        i just went into "settings" and deleted it
16:05 T4im            not sure what feature enhancement you mean; github already allows you to create folders in the editor, as mentioned above
16:05 redblade        now it's a 404, problem solved
16:05 redblade        how do you create folders in the editor?
16:05 T4im            you just place the file into it
16:05 redblade        it didn't, the folder name was up there, you couldn't rename it
16:05 T4im            backspace?
16:06 redblade        if you type the backspace button it will delete the box?
16:07 redblade        and allow me to rename the parent folder?
16:07 T4im            i never used the web interface before, but it was quite straight forward: "create new file" -> move your mouse to the name field, type a folder name and "/" and it will actually recognize it
16:07 T4im            if it allows renaming, it will probably work the same way
16:07 Krock           Just use a Git client   (┘Õ_Õ)┘  _  ╧══╧
16:08 T4im            ^^ that would of course be optimal
16:08 Krock           btw, is the table displaying all right?
16:08 T4im            table?
16:08 Krock           "  ╧══╧ "
16:09 T4im            if it is hanging from the ceiling, then yea
16:09 Krock           no, it's a flipped table
16:09 T4im            ah
16:09 aix             https://sr.ht/dE-v.txt 100% filtration so far
16:09 T4im            heh, raging around? :D
16:09 T4im            filtration?
16:10 aix             yus
16:10 aix             name restrictions
16:10 Krock           T4im, yeah.. using the Github editor makes the commit history look awful
16:10 T4im            why don't you just allow guests? i really still don't get it, allow guests, and don't give them interact by default, that will solve so much more problems than forcing them to select a name, where you have no idea if they are there to stay or not
16:11 T4im            all that leads is all the good names being blocked by guests that never stayed longer than a few minutes
16:11 aix             i clear names with no interact daily
16:11 Krock           it's kinda BS when you start building, claim an area an area and want to change your name afterwards
16:11 aix             and on my server, guests cannot see anything
16:11 aix             even normal users see nothing, they spawn in a maze
16:11 Krock           -"an area"
16:12 redblade        i'm sure i can learn git no problem (i've used git clone and git pull to compile minetest development code) but i dont feel like it right now
16:14 T4im            Krock: they wouldn't be able to do that, if you don't get interact as guest
16:14 T4im            guest should be what they claim to be, guests, visitors, there to look around and check out a server before they settle down
16:14 T4im            with a real name hten
16:15 Krock           yes and they could be deleted easily "^Guest[0-9] ..."
16:15 T4im            yea
16:16 T4im            i am so confused by so many people trying to forbid them and calling it "filtering them out" when in reality they merge half them with the real userbase and shoo the other half away from minetest
16:18 redblade        thank you T4im that worked
16:19 redblade        typing the folder name, then "/", then the file name
16:19 thePalindrome   Oof, negating regex
16:21 shamoanjac      agrecascino,
16:21 T4im            ^ outside a charcter class is used to match against the start of the string/line, it's only negating inside the character class
16:21 agrecascino     shamoanjac, ?
16:21 shamoanjac      did people tell you about the crashes?
16:21 agrecascino     no?
16:22 agrecascino     i'm not playing
16:22 agrecascino     oh mother of god errors
16:22 agrecascino     hang on
16:22 agrecascino     let me pastebin everything
16:22 thePalindrome   dat lorem ipsum
16:23 agrecascino     btw
16:23 agrecascino     shamoanjac,
16:23 shamoanjac      yes
16:23 agrecascino     go scream at the people in the server to stop doing things
16:23 shamoanjac      banners had a small bug
16:23 agrecascino     i can't get the stdout
16:23 agrecascino     shamoanjac, yeah
16:23 agrecascino     the wood bug
16:23 shamoanjac      another one
16:23 shamoanjac      I did default:steel_block instead of default:steelblock so power banners cannot be crafted
16:24 thePalindrome   Wait, you're stuck with the std because you can't get the std out?
16:24 thePalindrome   :P
16:24 shamoanjac      it's fixed on my github
16:24 shamoanjac      holy crap thePalindrome lel
16:25 agrecascino     pastebin.com/iXtbhNe6
16:25 agrecascino     something broke
16:25 T4im            shamoanjac: can_dig needs to handle nil-players
16:26 T4im            banners.banner_on_dig will crash when you use minetest.dig_node on it
16:26 shamoanjac      hold on
16:27 agrecascino     yeah the server seems completely fucked
16:27 shamoanjac      fixing and expanding two mods at the same time is p hard
16:27 T4im            (although the can_dig thing is unrelated to what you just pasted)
16:28 agrecascino     should i just trash the world
16:28 shamoanjac      T4im, don't you mean minetest.is_protected?
16:28 shamoanjac      where do you see a dig_node which uses players?
16:28 T4im            that's the thing, it doesn't
16:28 T4im            but it still calls can_dig
16:28 T4im            without  a player
16:29 shamoanjac      where?
16:29 T4im            which leads the banners can_dig to blow up :D
16:29 shamoanjac      I don't get it
16:29 shamoanjac      I need some context
16:29 shamoanjac      ah ok right
16:29 shamoanjac      nvm
16:30 T4im            oh wait, sorry, is that even a can_dig?
16:30 * T4im          double checks
16:30 shamoanjac      no
16:30 shamoanjac      but I found a bug
16:30 T4im            sorry then
16:30 shamoanjac      of on_dig
16:30 T4im            well, then it was worth it? :D
16:30 shamoanjac      which tries to access the players inventory
16:30 shamoanjac      uh, maybe
16:31 shamoanjac      it on_dig(pos, node, player) passes nil players, then yes
16:31 shamoanjac      anyway I added a check and just pushed
16:32 shamoanjac      ok agrecascino I read the logs
16:32 shamoanjac      it's not from either of my mods
16:32 agrecascino     root@debian:/media/root/d62c482e-f078-4020-b577-725f2bcca36a/home/arecascino/Downloads/hello# users
16:32 agrecascino     root root root root root root root root root root root root
16:32 agrecascino     i'm leaving for lunch
16:33 shamoanjac      k
16:33 T4im            a good lunch to you then
16:41 redblade        Done
16:41 redblade        Thank you
16:47 Jellonator      eyy I figured out something on my own for once instead of bugging the devs about it on the irc
16:47 Jellonator      I'm learning kek
16:47 aix             http://www.planetminecraft.com/texture_pack/minetest-for-minecraft/
16:50 cat5e           how can I store data in a node?
16:50 way             hi there
16:51 Jellonator      You store data in a node with metadata
16:51 Jellonator      You can get the metadata of a node with minetest.get_meta(pos), where pos is the position of the node
16:52 cat5e           does minetest have a reference manual like lua?
16:52 Jellonator      From there, you can use http://dev.minetest.net/NodeMetaRef as a reference for how to get and set metadata for a node
16:52 T4im            reference: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
16:52 cat5e           uh
16:52 Jellonator      welp i was too slow
16:52 cat5e           anything that isn't sent to the client?
16:53 T4im            if you store a lot of data, you might want to save it to a file instead of saving it to the node
16:53 cat5e           would be too floody
16:53 cat5e           can I use sqlite from a mod?
16:53 T4im            there is a function to convert the position to a single number, which you can use to fill or lookup a table
16:53 T4im            (and convert it back to a position again)
16:53 cat5e           can I use sqlite from a mod?
16:54 T4im            and then you can serialize that lua table to a file
16:54 Jellonator      Probably not, it would require for anyone with the mod to install it and that would get weird
16:55 cat5e           doesn't minetest include sqlite?
16:55 Jellonator      Does it?
16:55 T4im            not for mods
16:55 T4im            only for the map
16:56 cat5e           T4im, eh does it export the sqlite symbols?
16:56 thePalindrome   Not always iirc
16:56 T4im            ?
16:56 cat5e           because if so I can just use the FFI
16:56 thePalindrome   I may be wrong, but I think you can compile out sqlite
16:56 thePalindrome   no, never mind
16:56 T4im            forget about sqlite or actual databases, unless you want to go really complicated :D
16:56 T4im            of course adding some kind of datastore to the lua api would be nice, if you want to do that
16:57 cat5e           T4im, given how much data I'll need to handle, sqlite is actually reasonable
16:57 thePalindrome   meh
16:57 cat5e           does minetest have threads?
16:57 Jellonator      what kind of data are you storing?
16:57 Calinou         cat5e: yes
16:57 Calinou         map generation is done in separate threads for example
16:57 Jellonator      And how often are you changing it?
16:57 Calinou         "emerge thread"
16:57 T4im            well lua async is available, but never tried how well it works with minetest
16:57 T4im            coroutines*
16:58 cat5e           Calinou, can I spawn threads from Lua or something?
16:58 T4im            lua coroutines
16:58 cat5e           T4im, proper threads
17:00 cat5e           Jellonator, each node placed or removed needs to update the data
17:00 cat5e           and the datasets may be HUGE
17:01 T4im            what are you trying to store? O_o
17:01 sea`            NSA collected metadata.
17:01 T4im            there are certainly lua modules available that you can require() for sqlite support
17:01 cat5e           altho each node will only affect a single row at a time
17:03 cat5e           T4im, I'd rather use minetest's built-in sqlite and some FFI, that way I can support all OSes without packing a bunch of binary modules
17:04 T4im            you don't know if minetest comes with squlite, somoene might choose to use another backed for the world
17:04 cat5e           I need sqlite, or another DB
17:05 cat5e           (I could have a config to select the DB I guess)
17:06 T4im            ffi only works on luajit, unless you also add some ffi module, and then why not add a direct sqlite one instead?
17:06 agrecascino     alright
17:06 agrecascino     i need some help here
17:07 T4im            what you could possibly store as "huge" data, for a single node?
17:07 T4im            its history? :D
17:07 agrecascino     i need help
17:07 T4im            was sea` right after all?
17:07 cat5e           T4im, each node stores not much data
17:07 agrecascino     seriously
17:07 agrecascino     something fucked up bad
17:07 cat5e           well uh
17:08 T4im            agrecascino: how so?
17:08 cat5e           except some specific nodes may store a few MB of data
17:08 T4im            o_O
17:08 agrecascino     like 40+ errors at once in console
17:08 agrecascino     and things crashing all the time
17:09 cat5e           altho that'd be stored in an item (can items have metadata?)
17:09 T4im            agrecascino: stack trace?
17:09 Jellonator      why is it storing MBs of data
17:09 Jellonator      what kind of data are you storing to warrant that
17:09 cat5e           Jellonator, because it's a compiler
17:09 cat5e           all sorts of data
17:09 T4im            yes, althoug items is a broad thing, nodes and tools are both items
17:09 cat5e           macros, code, debug info
17:09 cat5e           everything
17:09 Jellonator      ...you're storing a compiler inside a node?
17:10 agrecascino     i can't find it in my screen
17:10 T4im            o_O
17:10 cat5e           Jellonator, nah compilers are tiny
17:10 cat5e           the things they compile can be huge tho
17:10 agrecascino     cat5e, computers minetest?
17:10 cat5e           agrecascino, nope
17:10 Jellonator      I think it would be fine though, when you place it and set the metadata its fine after that
17:10 agrecascino     what then?
17:11 T4im            Jellonator: metadata is send to the client though, not good storing mb's of data there
17:11 cat5e           agrecascino, a compiler
17:11 agrecascino     pastebin.com/iXtbhNe6
17:11 agrecascino     cat5e, for what
17:11 cat5e           agrecascino, for...
17:11 T4im            seems he wants to use minetest as a laguage
17:11 cat5e           well
17:11 T4im            language*
17:11 cat5e           everything
17:11 T4im            x)
17:11 agrecascino     also
17:11 cat5e           because LLVM
17:11 agrecascino     that pastebin is what the errors look like
17:12 cat5e           so I need to pack LLVM module, thread module, sqlite module, what else?
17:12 T4im            agrecascino: wrong mapgen set?
17:13 agrecascino     T4im, that should be ethereal and fun_caves
17:13 cat5e           that's looking to have double the size of minetest itself...
17:13 cat5e           :/
17:13 Nosrick         Argh, this damn null pointer exception is killing my progress
17:13 sea`            minetest will contain its own compiler now?
17:13 T4im            cat5e: what you are trying to do doesn't seem to be anything you can distribute for common gameplay anyway; and those academic projects, who cares if they are twice as big?
17:14 Krock           sea`, yes there's a Lua compiler bundled
17:14 cat5e           T4im, I want it usable
17:14 T4im            for what?
17:14 cat5e           and it's not an academic project
17:14 cat5e           it's so I can use it
17:15 cat5e           oh
17:15 cat5e           I also need HTTPD module
17:15 T4im            why would a normal player want to have source code stored in a node? or to compile something from inside the game? if that is not experimental/academic, then what is it? :D
17:15 cat5e           T4im, user-friendly
17:16 agrecascino     c compiler for minetest in lua when?
17:16 agrecascino     asm.lua
17:16 cat5e           no not asm.lua
17:16 cat5e           that'd be an LLVM to lua transpiler
17:17 T4im            but why run it from inside a minetest game?
17:17 cat5e           T4im, last I checked I tried to run a whole OS inside a game
17:17 T4im            :o
17:18 T4im            yea, i don't think i heard about that part yet
17:18 cat5e           T4im, uh so I tried making this thing called LibIngame https://github.com/LibIngame
17:19 cat5e           it was meant to be effectively a whole OS inside games
17:19 Nosrick         For what purpose?
17:19 cat5e           technically, libingame itself would be more like a kernel
17:20 cat5e           then there'd be the UI module (effectively a WM), the web browser module (a... well, a web browser)
17:20 cat5e           etc
17:20 agrecascino     does anyone know why i'm getting more errors than lines on stdout?
17:20 T4im            agrecascino: check your mod structure, does the underlying game actually define biomes?
17:20 T4im            do multiple mods mess with the biomes?
17:20 agrecascino     yes
17:21 T4im            like one registeres, another cleares and reregisters
17:21 T4im            well, then that is likely your problem
17:21 agrecascino     fun_caves and ethereal, but i'm pretty sure that the creator of fun_caves made it compatible etheral
17:21 agrecascino     with ethereal*
17:21 T4im            maybe to another version?
17:25 agrecascino     alright
17:26 agrecascino     so now fun_caves just decided it's going to fail to start
17:26 agrecascino     that's nice
17:38 agrecascino     WHAT THE ACTUAL FUUUUUUUUUCK
17:38 agrecascino     ARHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGDS}g[FJMSK<FKP}|}GF
17:39 agrecascino     GSDPKG:"MM<"OKE#(P%{I%^KTG{FGL:SF"Klfd
17:39 agrecascino     WAKE ME UP
17:39 agrecascino     CANT WAKE UP
17:39 agrecascino     SAVE ME
17:39 Nosrick         Nice meme bro
17:40 agrecascino     NONE OF THIS EVEN MAKES SENSE ANYMORE
17:40 agrecascino     >put fun_caves in mods
17:40 agrecascino     >enable it in world.mt
17:40 agrecascino     >doesn't load whatsoever, even though it was running before
17:41 Nosrick         You know what time it is
17:41 Nosrick         It's time to die
17:41 Calinou         load world.mt in LibreOffice, change font to Comic Sans MS, save
17:41 Krock           +1 for Calinou's advice
17:41 Nosrick         I think I'm doing something bad to Minetest.
17:42 Nosrick         I'm making it very, very unhappy.
17:42 sfan5           agrecascino: https://w0bm.com/b/1443839445.webm
17:43 Nosrick         Okay, so I'm redefining an entity's on_punch method, outside of its declaration.
17:43 Nosrick         This seems to REALLY upset Minetest.
17:44 Nosrick         Because when it gets called, the game hard crashes into a null pointer exception.
17:45 agrecascino     i found it
17:45 agrecascino     dmobs needs mobs
17:45 agrecascino     however
17:45 sfan5           doesn't it tell you in the error log?
17:45 agrecascino     i need to ask the question
17:46 agrecascino     how do i get the simple mobs mod without getting the mobs
17:46 agrecascino     as in
17:46 agrecascino     just the api
17:46 Nosrick         I use https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9917
17:46 Nosrick         It contains just the API
17:46 Nosrick         sfan5, you asking me?
17:46 sfan5           nah
17:49 cat5e           can minetest use system modules or do I need to pack them?
17:49 sfan5           never heard of "packing" modules
17:49 sfan5           it can use system modules
17:50 Calinou         cat5e: IRC mod uses Luasocket
17:50 Calinou         so, I think so
17:55 Nosrick         Would redefining an on_punch method after initialisation cause a crash?
17:55 sfan5           possible
17:55 Nosrick         It certainly seems to make Minetest very, very unhappy.
17:56 agrecascino     how do i set v7 mapgen
17:56 sfan5           have you tried redefining register_entity instead?
17:56 Calinou         agrecascino: you can use the world creation GUI in the client
17:56 agrecascino     on a server
17:56 Calinou         on a server, set mg_name = v7 in minetest.conf before creating the world
17:56 sfan5           (or do it afterwards but then you'll need to delete map.sqlite)
17:56 Calinou         maybe setting it in world.mt and deleting map.sqlite can work
17:56 Calinou         yeah, what sfan5 said
17:56 cat5e           sfan5, so, how to deal with luajit 2GB limit?
17:57 sfan5           let me restate
17:57 sfan5           20<sfan5>30 if you need that much i'd suggest just modding the engine directly in C++
17:57 cat5e           I thought C++ mods weren't a thing?
17:57 cat5e           also, I much prefer C
17:57 Calinou         you can mod the client using C++
17:57 Calinou         the open source nature of Minetest has gone nowhere
17:58 Nosrick         I'd rather have my project be a mod, not a subgame.
17:58 cat5e           Calinou, perhaps don't pick a shitty language next time
17:58 nuzzle          rewrite it
17:58 cat5e           (C++ I mean)
17:58 prrpx           rewrite it in rust
17:59 sfan5           yes
17:59 prrpx           yes
17:59 prrpx           rust is literally the future
17:59 prrpx           and you cannot stop it
17:59 sfan5           cat5e: there is not support for C++ mods
17:59 Calinou         Rust is not a great gamedev environment right now, and it's still slower than C++
17:59 sfan5           but you can just change the engine and call it that
17:59 Calinou         and consider that it is very young, thus its library ecosystem is relatively small
17:59 sfan5           hm
17:59 prrpx           Calinou: bollocks. in regards to the "still slower than C++" part
18:00 Calinou         the tiny performance improvement of C is not worth the fact it's more obtuse to use, also note that we don't go overboard with OOP unlike some other projects
18:00 sfan5           cat5e: what i meant to say: you can't write c++ mods like you'd write a lua mod;; but you can change the engine and call that a "c++ mod"
18:00 agrecascino     prrpx, no one likes your shitty borrow checker
18:00 prrpx           agrecascino: no one likes u
18:00 prrpx           oh. burn.
18:00 cat5e           sfan5, garbage
18:00 sfan5           minetest is garbage yes
18:00 agrecascino     prrpx, no one likes you either
18:00 cat5e           sfan5, can I write a C mod and call the minetest module through Lua?
18:00 prrpx           agrecascino: u don't have to say that out loud =(
18:01 sfan5           cat5e: no
18:01 cat5e           that way I don't really deal with the 2GB limit
18:01 sfan5           or
18:01 sfan5           yes you can
18:01 sfan5           but it's a horrible idea
18:01 sfan5           just mod the engine directly
18:01 prrpx           luajit is meme. luajit is abandonware
18:01 prrpx           it's time to get rid of luajit. and lua, too
18:01 cat5e           sfan5, perhaps if you had a C or RPC API instead of this hardcoded bullshit >.>
18:02 cat5e           I wish we had Lua 5.3 :/
18:02 sfan5           there's a patch somewhere
18:02 sfan5           but
18:02 cat5e           proper ints and all :/
18:02 sfan5           it is designed to be a scripting api
18:02 Calinou         if we have Lua 5.3, we have no LuaJIT
18:02 Calinou         which means, terrible performance
18:02 sfan5           for that reason it's not c or rpc
18:02 sfan5           theoretically someone could add a c++ api
18:02 sfan5           but well
18:02 sfan5           there's none
18:02 Calinou         prrpx: do you suggest JavaScript and V8? :)
18:03 cat5e           sfan5, no thanks I'll never touch a C++ API even if I should
18:03 cat5e           (thankfully C wrappers exist and they kinda work)
18:03 sfan5           well then s/C++/C/
18:03 sfan5           the thing is we have the one and only scripting api for lua
18:03 sfan5           nothing else
18:03 cat5e           Calinou, who cares about performance?
18:03 sfan5           for anything advanced you'll need touch the engine's C++
18:03 Krock           let's use assember - there must be some compilers around that could be bundled with minetest!
18:03 Calinou         everyone.
18:04 thePalindrome   hush
18:04 Calinou         it matters both on the client (in case we get client-side scripting) and server
18:04 cat5e           Calinou, just give it an LLVM module so ppl can write their own JITs
18:04 Calinou         it's how servers can be lag-free
18:04 thePalindrome   :brb:
18:04 T4im            nah, some people use their computers to heat the apartment, performance would be counter productive
18:05 Krock           ^ doing that right now
18:05 thePalindrome   back
18:06 sfan5           Krock: pentium 4?
18:06 Krock           wb thePalindrome, I'm so glad you're back
18:06 thePalindrome   lel
18:06 Krock           sfan5, sadly not. Athlon 64 4000+
18:06 thePalindrome   I still say having a compiled api would not go over so well
18:06 Krock           but still heats with ~80 Watts
18:06 cat5e           everyone knows AMD is hotter than intel
18:06 thePalindrome   Because otherwise I will never have an osx or windows user run my mods :P
18:06 thePalindrome   s/otherwise/if so/
18:06 cat5e           if you know what I mean ;)
18:07 Calinou         yeah, the problem is that it gets platform-specific
18:07 cat5e           thePalindrome, RPC solves that
18:07 Calinou         that's really bad for beginner mod developers
18:07 thePalindrome   Not all of it
18:07 Calinou         sure, cross-compilation (even to macOS using osxcross!) is a thing, but it's complex to set up
18:07 Krock           cat5e, in popularity or temperature? the last one is 39.2°C here right now
18:07 thePalindrome   ew nonono
18:07 Calinou         and don't get me started on compiling for Windows, MinGW vs MSVC…
18:07 sfan5           mingw works
18:07 sfan5           usually.
18:07 thePalindrome   rpc doesn't solve things like endianess
18:07 cat5e           implement the RPC protocol in python, lua, etc and you get free cross-platform
18:07 Calinou         my CPU is at +32°C right now
18:07 Calinou         some cores at +25-28°C
18:07 thePalindrome   But then there's more abstraction to deal with
18:08 cat5e           thePalindrome, then design a RPC protocol that uses sane-endian
18:08 Calinou         cat5e: where's the speed benefit then?
18:08 cat5e           (aka network byte order)
18:08 Krock           but it depends on the CPU model where they mounted the temperature sensor
18:08 T4im            :D
18:08 cat5e           Calinou, who cares about speed when you can have the best of both worlds?
18:08 T4im            "our cpu's don't get hot, as our sensor behind the cooling system shows"
18:08 T4im            become*
18:08 shamoanjac      how can you see into my eyes
18:08 shamoanjac      like open door
18:08 shamoanjac      s
18:08 cat5e           you can use C, you can use Lua, you can use LuaJIT, you can use Python, you can use node.js you can use V8 etc
18:08 thePalindrome   feh, either way
18:08 cat5e           all at the same time
18:09 cat5e           even multiple versions of Lua at the same time
18:09 shamoanjac      please C API for Minetest
18:09 shamoanjac      please ANSI C
18:09 thePalindrome   The problem isn't specific to the language
18:09 thePalindrome   it's the api imo
18:09 shamoanjac      please Scheme API for Minetest
18:09 cat5e           Calinou, you can't get any of that with the current bullshit
18:09 sfan5           cat5e: the difficulty is having an RPC for our use case
18:09 thePalindrome   we can't get a ton of the info we need from the engine
18:09 sfan5           how do you register for events?
18:09 thePalindrome   Otherwise I'd write the thing :P
18:09 Krock           cat5e, you can even load C modules with Lua
18:09 thePalindrome   String return values?
18:09 shamoanjac      (setnode (getnode pos))
18:09 Calinou         also, supporting multiple languages would create tons of fragmentation
18:09 shamoanjac      (setnode (getnode pos) pos)
18:09 Calinou         possibly inconsistency or random weirdness
18:10 Calinou         like, "why is my JavaScript API not camelCase?"
18:10 thePalindrome   minetestrpc.callback_on_punch("MURDERPUNCHMAN"
18:10 cat5e           sfan5, they're sockets, just use a mutex and write events
18:10 cat5e           actually screw that
18:10 Calinou         (hint: we're dealing with that at Godot right now)
18:10 cat5e           use dbus
18:10 cat5e           way easier
18:10 Calinou         we'll have a C# API, but in snake_case :p
18:10 sfan5           >dbus
18:10 sfan5           ayyy
18:10 sfan5           no
18:10 sfan5           just no
18:10 thePalindrome   C#? ew no
18:10 cat5e           sfan5, lots of dbus modules available for a bunch of shit
18:10 Calinou         C# performs well, is relatively easy to write, and Unity uses it (= gamedevs know it)
18:10 shamoanjac      snake_case_is_the_only_righteous_case
18:10 cat5e           way less effort than the current bullshit
18:10 thePalindrome   Calinou: I call BS on all of that
18:10 sfan5           yeah no
18:11 shamoanjac      typedef struct node_t {
18:11 sfan5           i guarantee you that using dbus is a lot of effore
18:11 Calinou         Java is the alternative, we could support Avian... technically we can support any statically-typed language such as Go or Rust with the new C API we're developing
18:11 sfan5           s/e/t/
18:11 thePalindrome   Java is worse
18:11 thePalindrome   remember, with java you can redefine the value of a private function!
18:11 Calinou         users are free to contribute bindings
18:11 thePalindrome   The other voxel game abused that :P
18:11 cat5e           sfan5, I looked at dbus for python
18:11 Calinou         even Nim could work I guess
18:11 sfan5           cat5e: how about we have a C api and someone writes a dbus thing for that?
18:11 cat5e           do you know how much effort dbus for python is?
18:11 sfan5           also everything is easier in python
18:11 cat5e           literally 0
18:11 cat5e           less than 0 even
18:11 Calinou         thePalindrome: there are at least two Java voxel games
18:11 Calinou         Minecraft and Terasology :p
18:11 T4im            you can play with local or upvalues with lua too, thePalindrome
18:11 sfan5           have you tried working with JSON in e.g. C?
18:11 cat5e           so just use dboost or something that combines boost and dbus and it'll be way easier in C++ too
18:12 thePalindrome   Yeah, but only one of them has the official title "The other voxel game" :P
18:12 T4im            debug lib has some nasty cobble going on, if you let it
18:12 sfan5           ok you mentioned boost
18:12 sfan5           congrats
18:12 * thePalindrome used to mod for minecraft
18:12 * Calinou       boosts all the things
18:12 sfan5           boost is the only library that is actually banned from minetest
18:12 thePalindrome   I gave up when 1.8 broke everything modding related
18:12 * cat5e         uses boost license everywhere
18:12 Calinou         my cat uses Boost
18:12 sfan5           before getting boost into minetest
18:12 sfan5           you'll need to murder the entire dev team
18:12 thePalindrome   You probably use systemd as well -.-
18:13 sfan5           minetest doesn't support systemd socket activation or startup signalling
18:13 sfan5           so no
18:13 thePalindrome   I don't have the d on my system :P
18:13 thePalindrome   So I know that :P
18:13 cat5e           sfan5, another option is to write a custom RPC, shove it into python, then call dbus from python
18:13 IhrFussel       Mod question: Is it enough to remove the lines containing lava inside bucket.register_liquid() of the bucket mod? My goal is to disable lava buckets
18:13 cat5e           sfan5, or something like that
18:13 shamoanjac      it's 0.4.14 and Minetest still doesn't support inotify()
18:14 sfan5           i think a c api would be most straightforward
18:14 sfan5           if people want rpc they can write one based on the c api
18:14 sfan5           IMO
18:14 Nosrick         Python
18:14 cat5e           yes
18:14 cat5e           that's how it should be
18:14 cat5e           but you don't want that
18:14 Nosrick         PYTHON
18:14 Calinou         IhrFussel: I'd like to see a mod that disables lava bucket pouring (but not collecting), but *only* above sea level
18:14 sfan5           i don't?
18:14 Calinou         is there such a mod?
18:14 Calinou         Krock ^
18:14 thePalindrome   I'd actually start with a lua rpc, just so that issues in lua code can't crash the server
18:14 cat5e           sfan5, you don't seem to
18:14 sfan5           i just don't want a dbus or boost-dbus whatever api
18:15 sfan5           a c api is perfectly fine
18:15 cat5e           so grab lua and put dbus on top?
18:15 sfan5           no
18:15 sfan5           write a seperate c api that works like the lua one
18:15 Krock           Calinou, IhrFussel: https://github.com/SmallJoker/base_game/blob/master/mods/default/nodes.lua#L535-L551
18:15 sfan5           the thing is probably nobody will take that work upon themselves
18:16 cat5e           so grab lua.so and replace it with dbus.so?
18:16 thePalindrome   why would you ever do that?
18:16 cat5e           thePalindrome, at least I'd be able to use multiple lua versions
18:16 sfan5           there. is. no. dbus. involved.
18:16 * thePalindrome leaves to be productive
18:16 Krock           and the same protection for buckets: https://github.com/SmallJoker/base_game/blob/master/mods/bucket/init.lua#L76-L82
18:16 Krock           sorry, it's not up-to-date
18:17 Calinou         it'd be great if somebody made a simple mod for that
18:17 Calinou         this could even get into minetest_game, like, "safe_buckets = true"
18:18 T4im            mod would be super unintrusive
18:20 T4im            with #2250 you could even just check for spilling over a specific position via protection mods
18:21 cat5e           sfan5, why do you hate dbus so much?
18:21 cat5e           I'm using dbus to talk to you
18:21 sfan5           i'm not
18:21 sfan5           dbus feels like a lot of effort for not much
18:23 cat5e           does minetest support APNGs?
18:23 T4im            a for alpha or animated?
18:23 Calinou         no
18:23 Calinou         nobody does
18:24 Calinou         FLIF is the superior compiler (I guess nobody will get the reference :p), but sadly its license prevents mass adoption
18:24 sfan5           animations are supported as frames stacked vertically
18:24 Calinou         http://flif.info/
18:24 Calinou         also, we do what sfan5 does, which works pretty well in practice
18:25 sfan5           you can even edit them without advanced magic
18:25 cat5e           sfan5, but the timings aren't stored in the image
18:25 cat5e           unless you append them as a .zip
18:25 sfan5           timings are stored in lua
18:25 Calinou         I think it'd be nice if timings and other stuff were stored in .txt files
18:25 cat5e           (did you know a .png can also be a .zip?)
18:25 Calinou         so that texture packs can modify it
18:26 Calinou         right now, it's defined by server, which is pretty stupid
18:26 agrecascino     is flif the opus of pictures?
18:27 Calinou         pretty much
18:27 Krock           life is life.. nana nanan
18:27 Krock           wait. wrong opus
18:27 Calinou         it can do almost everything, lossless or lossy, animated or not, 16-bit, 8-bit or grayscale/paletted
18:27 cat5e           can it do 1080p 60fps 30 minute videos?
18:28 Calinou         use video formats for that
18:28 cat5e           so it's shit, just like APNG
18:28 Calinou         you should never use image formats (not even .gif) for long stuff like that
18:28 Calinou         video formats use compression that's specific to them for a reason
18:28 cat5e           give me an image format that supports video and I'll be happy
18:29 Krock           you'd end up with gigabytes of data without compression - even for short videos
18:29 sfan5           > image format that supports video
18:29 sfan5           found your problem
18:29 Krock           gif gif gif gif
18:29 sfan5           gif is fine for what they're used for right now (quality is bad though)
18:29 cat5e           sfan5, MNG is a video format that's optimized for images/animations
18:29 sfan5           but it makes no sense to change that
18:29 Krock           or apng
18:29 cat5e           why can't an image format do both?
18:29 sfan5           png is good too
18:29 sfan5           use actual videos for everything else
18:30 cat5e           also, streaming
18:30 sfan5           mng is not a video format btw
18:30 cat5e           sfan5, so how do you explain the video/mng type?
18:30 sfan5           bad decisions
18:30 sfan5           or missing categories
18:30 sfan5           because it is more than just an image
18:31 cat5e           maybe we need the slideshow/ mime category thingy
18:31 sfan5           maybe
18:31 Calinou         Doom WADs have their MIME type
18:31 Calinou         we can question how the MIME committee or whatever it is chooses what deserves a type
18:32 Calinou         time to have world/minetest type for world.mt files
18:32 Krock           yes, we want to register the .mt files ^^
18:41 Hijiri          Nosrick: maybe we should discuss in IRC
18:41 Hijiri          instead of on the Github issue
18:41 Nosrick         Perhaps we should, yes.
18:41 Nosrick         Let me explain:
18:41 Nosrick         I'm using the mobs mod API to register my entities. This assigns its own on_punch method to the callback. What I'm doing is redefining the on_punch method of that registered entity _after_ initialisation, by basically adding my on_punch method onto the end of the call.
18:42 sfan5           that doesn't sounds like it would work
18:42 Hijiri          If you want it to behave like a mob you shouldn't be applying damage separately from the mobs on_punch
18:42 Hijiri          maybe you could still apply the punch callbacks if you wanted those to happen
18:43 Krock           why not? if you do a good job it would work
18:43 Nosrick         Hang on, let me gist what I'm doing.
18:43 agrecascino     mng is bad
18:43 Hijiri          is it separate from the one you already gisted?
18:43 agrecascino     just go with apng
18:44 Hijiri          Nosrick: mobs on_punch already handles damage
18:44 Hijiri          if you apply damage also, it double-counts it
18:44 Krock           unless you make your own functions 1st priority
18:44 Nosrick         Which I have.
18:45 Krock           (so you can return on success, so it doesn't get counted twice)
18:45 Hijiri          Nosrick: in the zombie sample you posted though, you called both
18:45 Nosrick         Oh, did I post that already?
18:45 Hijiri          yes
18:45 Nosrick         Sorry, my memory is poop.
18:45 Hijiri          https://gist.github.com/Nosrick/5cbfbfeb9a6a204ecd8558a5cc8bc7a2
18:45 Nosrick         Ah, so I did!
18:45 Nosrick         So how would I go about making it handle it properly?
18:46 Hijiri          This is what I would do:
18:46 Hijiri          give momtest.on_punch a new parameter for the old on_punch
18:46 Hijiri          If the old on_punch doesn't exist, apply damage and call the callbacks
18:46 Hijiri          If it does exist, don't apply damage, just multiply the damage groups in the capabilities by your boost and pass it to the old on_punch
18:47 Hijiri          Then call the punch callbacks
18:48 Hijiri          actually, I should ask first:
18:48 Hijiri          What is the purpose of the punch callbacks?
18:48 Hijiri          Calculating damage, or doing special things after a punch?
18:48 Hijiri          If the answer is "both", I think you should separate them
18:49 Hijiri          some callbacks may want to know the final values, which it won't get if it's called in the middle
18:49 Hijiri          Also if you defer to the old on_punch for handling, you won't know the "actual damage"
18:49 Hijiri          so you may need to change your callback parameters, or not call them
18:50 Hijiri          I wouldn't calculate the base damage in a callback
18:50 Hijiri          (base damage, including boosts)
18:50 Nosrick         Alright, cobbling this together now.
18:53 Nosrick         Hijiri: The callbacks are mostly for adding flat bonus damage.
18:53 Nosrick         A few of them do special things after a punch.
18:53 Hijiri          do they depend on the damage?
18:53 Nosrick         No.
18:53 Hijiri          Ok
18:54 Hijiri          If you don't plan on having special ones that depend on the damage, you could have callbacks not take damage
18:54 Hijiri          If the only damage modification you are doing are boosts, you could just handle boosts directly
18:54 Hijiri          make an API for adding and removing boosts
18:54 Hijiri          If it's a common use case it would remove some boilerplate
18:55 Hijiri          You can have flat boosts separate from multiplying boosts
18:55 Hijiri          If you do think you will have other damage modification then you could keep it this way
18:56 Hijiri          but you could have just one callback that manages the boosts, and which provides a similar API
18:57 Hijiri          The damage of mobs from mobs redo is predictable enough though, so I guess you could still calculate damage
18:57 Hijiri          it just might not extend necessarily to other kinds of entities
18:58 Krock           Archievement unlocked: 10 messages in a row! Congratulations. You might continue now.
18:59 Nosrick         I was thinking of actually having my init.lua replace all of the registered entities' on_punch functions with my own.
18:59 Nosrick         And pass in their old on_punch as the last parameter.
18:59 Nosrick         So it'd work with everything!
18:59 Nosrick         Or break everything.
19:00 Hijiri          reading some stuff I'm not actually sure if defining on_punch disables automatically default damage handling
19:00 Hijiri          I would think it does though, because the api docs don't provide any other way of disabling it
19:00 Nosrick         It does, as far as I've found.
19:00 Nosrick         When I redefine an on_punch with a stub function, it doesn't do anything.
19:00 Hijiri          alright
19:02 Hijiri          actually there is a hackish way you could calculate damage in general
19:02 Hijiri          record the health before and after calling the old on_punch, and subtract
19:03 Hijiri          so yeah, that's away
19:03 Nosrick         Did I post my actual on_punch code?
19:03 Hijiri          yes
19:03 Krock           you did, on github
19:03 Hijiri          https://gist.github.com/Nosrick/732c30a4e180bc3381d9febb5aeee2c5
19:03 Hijiri          oh that's the wrong one
19:03 Hijiri          https://gist.github.com/Nosrick/5ba6bc81445f80eaaf3665bb354e4b2b this I think
19:03 Nosrick         Yeah, that one.
19:03 Nosrick         Let me update it.
19:04 Nosrick         There, updated.
19:06 Hijiri          you could move the tmp assignment outside the loop, since it doesn't depend on group and is the same each time
19:06 T4im            table.containsKey(table, element) :D
19:06 Hijiri          when you call oldPunch you should boost the damage groups in toolCapabilities
19:06 Hijiri          if you want it to receive boosted damage
19:07 T4im            why not just "if mytable[key] then..." if you want to check if it has the key
19:07 Hijiri          this is why you would want to handle boosts outside a callback
19:07 Krock           T4im, why not simply if you can not make it hard?
19:07 Nosrick         Ah, I don't do damage group boosts.
19:07 Hijiri          Nosrick: also you are still doing damage processing after calling the old on_punch
19:07 Krock           or something like that
19:08 Hijiri          Nosrick: mobs on_punch code does damage calculations using the tool capabilities
19:08 Nosrick         I know, I'm trying to make my mod compatible with that.
19:08 Hijiri          either you have to remove that and hope that the code still works, or you need to give it the boosts it needs to know the desired damage
19:09 Nosrick         If I remove it, it makes the mobs a lot less responsive.
19:09 Hijiri          I mean remove the damage calculations from mobs somehow
19:09 Nosrick         Ah.
19:09 Nosrick         Wouldn't I have to edit the API to do that?
19:09 Hijiri          yes
19:09 Nosrick         Aaaaaa
19:10 Nosrick         This is turning into a great clusterfuck.
19:10 Hijiri          I'm just trying to direct you towards boosting the damage groups
19:10 Hijiri          I don't consider it a serious option
19:11 Nosrick         Actually, if I rewrite it to use the damage groups boosts, I won't even need the on_punch override.
19:11 Hijiri          rewrite the mob api?
19:11 Hijiri          or your function
19:11 Nosrick         I might just write my own damn mob API.
19:11 Nosrick         But I was talking about my function.
19:11 Hijiri          I was thinking there should be a common mob interface
19:12 Nosrick         There should, and it should not suck huge turds.
19:12 Hijiri          so that multiple mob frameworks can produce mobs that can be treated uniformly, in addition to there own special functions
19:12 Nosrick         I don't think I could produce something that was good.
19:12 Hijiri          I was going to make a forum post about it but keep procrastinating
19:12 T4im            relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/927/
19:12 Nosrick         If you want some help chucking ideas around, give me a shout.
19:12 Hijiri          alright
19:13 Hijiri          T4im: this is different from a new framework
19:13 Hijiri          This would be like an interface you provide implementations of
19:13 Hijiri          it's important to allow different mods to make mobs differently, because one framework is unlikely to provide everything you want
19:13 Hijiri          but on the other hand, there are certain common things between mobs that we expect, like attacking them, knowing whether they are a mob in the first place, etc.
19:14 Hijiri          Currently there is no such standard, so I wouldn't be making a new competing standard
19:14 Hijiri          At the very least their luaentities can carry an "is_mob" flag to tell whether it is something to target
19:15 Hijiri          instead of heuristics like checking the immortal armor group or the name of the entity
19:15 Hijiri          9 lines, not 10 yet
19:15 Nosrick         C-c-c-c-combo breaker
19:16 Hijiri          minetest needs more libraries and library evangelism
19:16 agrecascino     yeah fuck this shit
19:16 Nosrick         Shall we develop a standard then, Hijiri?
19:16 agrecascino     i am never using the fun caves mod again
19:18 Hijiri          Nosrick: maybe
19:18 Hijiri          probably need to discuss with existing mob modders
19:18 Hijiri          if there is no adoption it will fail
19:18 Nosrick         True.
19:19 T4im            Hijiri: every mob framework already provides some sort of standard, if you really want to create a uniform one you either need to get one upstream-ish, or you sit together with the big mob maintainers out there and get them to take part
19:19 Hijiri          T4im: discussing with them was the idea
19:19 T4im            well, what you just said
19:19 T4im            x)
19:19 Hijiri          part of the reason I haven't posted a topic yet, I'm not sure how to pitch it
19:19 Hijiri          but mostly because I was being lazy
19:21 T4im            Calinou: didn't you write a mob framework? how does Hijiri pitch it to you?
19:21 T4im            burli: aren't you writing one right now? :)
19:21 T4im            10+ not here, hm, who else?
19:22 Calinou         T4im: I didn't
19:22 Hijiri          by the way I would just be pitching the reasons to have a common interface, not the specific elements yet
19:22 T4im            oh, must have confused that then :o
19:22 Hijiri          the forum topic would be used for deciding that
19:22 Hijiri          actually I'll just make the topic, since I've already posted in here
19:24 Nosrick         I think I've found the problem.
19:24 Nosrick         It's when the mob turns to hit the player.
19:25 Nosrick         Then BAM null reference.
19:30 Megaf           Am I the only one here who likes this? http://uploadpie.com/VzMfN (That's just a nerdy sysadmin screenshot)
19:30 Megaf           those are the consoles of some of my servers
19:31 Calinou         tmux?
19:31 Megaf           !server Megaf
19:31 MinetestBot     Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 11ms
19:31 Megaf           Calinou: yep
19:31 Calinou         AC/DC lol
19:31 * Calinou       listens to paniq right now
19:31 Megaf           yep :)
19:31 Calinou         I should learn tmux, I only know GNU screen
19:31 Megaf           Calinou: the thing is, run screen inside tmux
19:32 Megaf           so, in your host or desktop open a tmux
19:32 Megaf           then a tmux window for each server
19:32 Megaf           each server a screen
19:32 Megaf           profit
19:32 shamoanjac      agrecascino, what happened with fun caves
19:33 Megaf           Calinou: tmux = screen, tmux attach = screen -x, ctrl + b = ctrl + a
19:33 Megaf           Calinou: ctrl + b + " = create window under the current one
19:33 Megaf           Calinou: ctrl + % create window besides
19:33 Calinou         ok
19:33 Megaf           aka, split vertical vs split horizontal, % = one beside another
19:34 sfan5           >screen -x
19:34 Megaf           done, that was your crash course on tmux
19:34 sfan5           what's that i have never done that
19:34 Megaf           sfan5: you serious?
19:34 sfan5           basically you only need tmux {,attach} and ctrl + b d
19:34 sfan5           yes
19:34 Megaf           that attach to a running screen session
19:34 sfan5           i use screen -r for that
19:34 Megaf           oh
19:34 Nosrick         GOT THE BASTARD
19:35 Megaf           lol Nosrick
19:35 agrecascino     shamoanjac, it broke everything
19:35 Nosrick         Hijiri: Why would there be a null reference exception on toolCapabilities.full_punch_interval, when toolCapabilities is NOT nil?
19:35 Megaf           so, today I played a bit of Truck Simulator from steam, a free demo. It was fun piling up on lots of cars and cops
19:37 Megaf           fun fact, the Test console is my minetest server
19:38 Megaf           very fun uh?
19:39 Megaf           nevermind
19:40 Hijiri          Nosrick: I don't think those are related, since if toolCapabilities was nil, you would get an error from LUa
19:41 Nosrick         Yeah, you might be right.
19:41 Nosrick         I think it might be a coincidence.
19:41 Nosrick         If I could debug minetest, that'd be great.
19:41 Hijiri          I'm pretty sure nils aren't represented by null pointers
19:41 Hijiri          Nosrick: you could use gdb
19:41 Hijiri          actually if it's a release it might be stripped
19:41 agrecascino     rebuild with debug symbols
19:41 Nosrick         Nils aren't null pointers, normally.
19:42 Krock           there are no pointers in Lua
19:42 Krock           but sometimes the C API throws errors when it got something else than expected
19:43 Nosrick         Yeah, I think that's what's happening.
19:43 Krock           like a numeric value instead of table
19:43 Nosrick         But right now, I'm totally stuck because of this.
19:43 Nosrick         And I'm just flailing.
19:46 Megaf           another terminal screenshot http://uploadpie.com/zP2ap
19:47 Krock           Nosrick, please include a link to the discussion on github
19:47 Krock           some people might wonder what you discussed
19:55 Nosrick         How would I do that?
19:57 Krock           Nosrick, edit the github comment, add http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2016-08-09#i_4674679, press save, done.
19:58 Nosrick         Done!
19:58 Krock           cool :)
20:03 Out`Of`Control  !server liberty land
20:03 MinetestBot     Out`Of`Control: Liberty Land | mt.rbose.org | Clients: 22/50, 10/25 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / ayntest | Ping: 16ms
20:06 Nosrick         Made a little extra post on the github issue.
20:07 Krock           http://pastebin.com/raw/Jz2KyqKK
20:09 Krock           oh cool. it uses landrush <3
20:10 sfan5           !server address:ae34
20:10 MinetestBot     sfan5: No results
20:10 Out`Of`Control  <3 landrush
20:10 sfan5           !server addr:ae34
20:10 MinetestBot     sfan5:  | 2a02:214b:8115:f900:a55d:69cb:86a5:ae34 | Clients: 1/100, 1/1 | Version: 0.4.13.7 / default | Ping: 109ms
20:10 sfan5           ^ this server doesn't look like it should be on the list :D
20:10 Krock           too less max clients
20:10 Krock           that's the ultrafast freeminer
20:12 Out`Of`Control  WE beat minetest_game ?
20:12 Krock           btw sfan5, I was able to run the KittenThread by chat command - also made it detecting ores to dig. Your code was really a big help :)
20:13 sfan5           yeah that's not hard to do
20:13 Out`Of`Control  Krock:  how you generate that list?
20:13 Krock           Out`Of`Control, magic
20:13 Krock           got a C# program to fetch the server list
20:13 T4im            KittenThread?
20:13 T4im            O_o
20:13 Krock           T4im, nothing important ;)
20:16 Nosrick         This is frustrating.
20:18 Nosrick         It's making me sad.
20:19 * Krock         gives Nosrick some fresh baked cookies
20:26 Krock           http://abzurd.com/
20:26 Krock           Donate now for more internet!
20:28 Krock           (not related to http://www.turnofftheinternet.com/ or http://hmpg.net/ )
20:28 aix             so i had this fake unknown node mod and placed a few blocks in spawn then removed it and didn't even realize lol
20:28 Nosrick         I FOUND THE PROBLEM!
20:28 Nosrick         FOR REALZ THIS TIME
20:29 Nosrick         It's in my register_on_punchplayer(). It's not passing the player object in properly.
20:29 aix             calm
20:30 KaadmY          heh
20:31 KaadmY          i found the end of the internet
20:31 KaadmY          it's flash
20:39 aix             >tests game
20:39 aix             >forgets to move it
20:48 Hijiri          https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=15331
20:48 Hijiri          standard mob interface proposal
21:03 Hijiri          client-side scripting would open up so many possibilities
21:03 Hijiri          I could finally have my bitcoin mining farm
21:03 T4im            hah
21:05 Krock           lol
21:05 T4im            that's what i thought Krock would write as mod a few years ago, actually
21:05 T4im            !mods coin
21:05 T4im            !mod coin
21:05 MinetestBot     T4im: Bitcoins [Bitcoins] by DistroGeeks-MilesDyson - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=5014
21:05 T4im            hm
21:06 Krock           !mod bitch
21:06 MinetestBot     Krock: BitChange (money) [bitchange] by Krock - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7821
21:06 T4im            ah
21:06 Krock           nice keyword, heh?
21:07 Calinou         !mod blocks
21:07 MinetestBot     Calinou: More Blocks [moreblocks] by Calinou - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=509
21:07 Calinou         :>
21:08 Krock           !mod less
21:08 MinetestBot     Krock: Useless Mod [useless_mod] by general3214 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7377
21:08 Calinou         !server KRISTALL
21:08 MinetestBot     Calinou: KRISTALL | 163.172.10.77 | Clients: 9/15, 10/14 | Version: 0.4.14 / minetest | Ping: 13ms
21:09 Calinou         "Minetest server powered by the love for nekomimi"
21:09 Calinou         do I try to join it or does sfan5 try first
21:09 sfan5           what
21:09 sfan5           where
21:09 sfan5           give
21:09 T4im            "Brainwave Cat Ears" wait what?
21:09 Calinou         sfan5: it's on the list
21:10 sfan5           cool
21:10 sfan5           chunks load slowly
21:10 sfan5           havent seen any nekomimi yet
21:11 sfan5           man chunk loading sure is slow
21:12 * T4im          gives sfan5 some yarn to play with in the meantime
21:14 Krock           Calinou, I was there. It's totally vanilla
21:14 Hijiri          !server KRISTALL
21:14 MinetestBot     Hijiri: KRISTALL | 163.172.10.77 | Clients: 14/15, 10/14 | Version: 0.4.14 / minetest | Ping: 12ms
21:16 Calinou         !server Calinou
21:16 MinetestBot     Calinou: Calinou [Europe/Paris] (survival - minimal mods) | hugo.pro:30002 | Clients: 0/32, 2/10 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 10ms
21:16 Hijiri          !server Hijiri
21:16 MinetestBot     Hijiri: No results
21:46 Megaf           !server Megaf
21:46 MinetestBot     Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 6ms
21:46 Megaf           MinetestBot: that was quick uh
21:46 Megaf           same second reply
21:47 Megaf           !server Megaf
21:47 MinetestBot     Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 6ms
21:47 Megaf           amazing
21:47 Megaf           !server Calinou
21:47 MinetestBot     Megaf: Calinou [Europe/Paris] (survival - minimal mods) | hugo.pro:30002 | Clients: 0/32, 1/10 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 14ms
21:47 Megaf           Megaf Server beats other servers ping badly
21:49 aix             Can I have one button to climp down and another for "use" ?
21:51 STHGOM          !mod temperature
21:51 MinetestBot     STHGOM: Temperature and Humidity HUD [tempidity] by HeroOfTheWinds - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9439
21:51 Megaf           shift and left click?
21:51 Megaf           aix: ^
21:51 aix             uhm
21:51 aix             i mean in the key bindings
21:52 aix             i want to be able to use e to climb down but i also want to use fast in water and on ladders
21:52 Megaf           the default is shoft to climb down and e to go fast
21:53 Megaf           you can use both at the same time
21:53 Megaf           aix: ^
21:53 aix             but i hate shift
21:53 Megaf           so use z
21:53 aix             also unless i use the default, there's no way to go fast in water
21:54 Megaf           just assign whatever button you want to whatever function you wish
21:54 aix             there's no "climb down" function
21:54 Megaf           dont make me open minetest please
21:55 aix             just a switch to make an already defined function key the same for climb down
21:55 aix             https://sr.ht/0PVX.png
21:55 aix             here
21:55 Megaf           I dont want to open a web browser either
21:56 aix             okay, say I want to use q to go fast and e to climb down
21:56 Megaf           not much memory left
21:56 aix             i set use to q
21:57 aix             but there's no option for down i can se
21:57 aix             see
21:57 aix             hm, sneak could do it
21:57 aix             oh fuck that works lol
21:57 aix             never mind
21:59 Megaf           hm, Debian 32 bit is much more efficient than 64 bit in memory use
21:59 aix             ugh everything is awkward
22:00 aix             is it?
22:00 Megaf           debian 32 bit using 18 MB after boot to console, debian 64 bit using 28 MB
22:00 Megaf           identical installations and hardware
22:00 Megaf           but one is Wheezy 32 bit and other is Wheezy 64 bit
22:00 Megaf           32 bit uses less space too
22:01 Megaf           367 MB in / 389 MB
22:01 Megaf           interesting
22:04 Megaf           and so far 32 bit has been faster
22:04 agrecascino     shamoanjac, you there?
22:04 Megaf           I wonder why use 64 bit then
22:05 Fixer           Megaf: it is expected
22:05 Fixer           Megaf: if you have <2Gb ram - use 32bit OS
22:05 Megaf           I understand the size and memory use smaller on 32 bit
22:05 Megaf           but performance better too?
22:06 Darkside_       yes
22:07 Darkside_       for its ability to deal with larger chunks of data faster
22:07 Fixer           Megaf: some benchmark say that it can be faster
22:07 Darkside_       im not a expert on it but somebody explained me something on that once that made sense but i already forgot most he said :/
22:08 Megaf           wonder how faster a MT can be on 32 bit
22:09 Megaf           a MT server*
22:09 Fixer           Megaf: 64bit should be slightly faster iirc
22:09 sofar           MT doesn't benefit much from 64bit cpu's
22:09 Fixer           Megaf: difference is small
22:10 Megaf           I'm deploying a minimalistic Debian desktop to check what I need extra to run my portable binary build of Minetest
22:10 sofar           it wouldn't surprise me if stock MT 64bit is slower than stock MT 32 bit
22:10 Megaf           installing TWM as window manager :)
22:10 sofar           since I doubt that we properly optimize the MT builds
22:11 aix             TWM? damn
22:11 Megaf           XDM as login manager
22:11 Megaf           and I quite like TWM man, good old days :D
22:12 celeron55       no login manager for the win!
22:12 Megaf           lol celeron55
22:13 Megaf           and I made a mistake, started TWM and forgot to install xvt (smaller terminal emulator than xterm)
22:13 Fixer           startx
22:13 Megaf           alt gr + f1 to the rescue
22:14 Megaf           (VBox VM)
22:14 Fixer           Megaf: why are you obsessed so much with ram? you run it on raspberry? last time I was obsessed with ram it was P4 2.8 with 512mb ram
22:15 Megaf           Fixer: my VMs have 512 MB each
22:15 Megaf           the host has 4 GB
22:15 Nosrick         I think my mod will be released for testing in the next few weeks.
22:15 Megaf           and I want everything to be as efficient as possible
22:16 Fixer           ._.
22:16 aix             fair nuff
22:16 aix             Megaf: then use luakit
22:16 aix             not firefox
22:16 aix             or dwb
22:16 aix             and i3 is great for a wm that doesn't remind you of the 90s
22:17 * Megaf         uses w3m
22:19 aix             wow
22:19 * aix           bows down
22:20 agrecascino     Megaf, we all know the best combination of browser and OS are Microsoft edge and windows 10
22:20 Megaf           agrecascino: of course
22:20 celeron55       but what if you want a wm that does remind you of the 90s?
22:20 Megaf           running on a Microsoft VirtualPC VM inside Windows Milenium
22:20 agrecascino     celeron55, icewm
22:21 Megaf           yep
22:21 celeron55       agrecascino: yes; the obvious choice
22:21 Megaf           celeron55: I'd say WindowMaker
22:21 Megaf           NextStep FTW
22:21 agrecascino     rip nextstep
22:21 agrecascino     actually
22:22 agrecascino     rip openstep
22:22 Megaf           I actually used to have wmaker as default WM
22:22 Megaf           ok, w3m installed in the VMs, need to put my binary fork somewhere so I can download it easily
22:22 Megaf           Megaf Server it is
22:23 Megaf           and rsync to the rescue
22:24 agrecascino     is there any way to make a construction to really annoy people using doors?
22:25 Darkside_       sure with mesecons buttons switches etc :D
22:26 * Megaf         listening to Marilyn Manson - Resident Evil Main Title Theme (Corp. Umbrella) (SX Long)
22:26 Megaf           That is awesome
22:26 Megaf           (on mpv)
22:27 Darkside_       depends ofcource on what you want the doors to do, some guy in minecraft made a simple redstone construction that made the doors open and close realy fast with the sounds realy annoying ;D
22:27 agrecascino     Darkside_, that's what i want to do in minetest
22:28 Calinou         https://github.com/Calinou/modern
22:28 Calinou         added flowers, mushrooms, sandstone brick textures
22:29 agrecascino     hmm
22:29 agrecascino     had no idea xfwm was based on fvwm
22:31 sofar           xfwm4 is ... old :)
22:32 Fixer           fuck microsoft, fuck avast, fuck 5400 rpm hdds
22:33 Fixer           time to update minetest
22:33 Fixer           "Latest commit b6d845a 7 days ago"
22:34 Fixer           current minetest-dev mood: "everyone is dead and trees are humming" (c)
22:36 Fixer           "I have the exact same problem and i can tell you for sure that's Avast's fault. Or, to be precise, it's the updater's fault: once the boot has ended the updater starts and for some unknown reason it absolutely trashes the hdd -  in, usually, over 2 minutes it manages to make more than 40,000 I/O Reads and over 20,000 I/O Writes. It uses the hdd so much that the entire OS (XP SP3 in my case) is absolutely frozen"
22:36 Fixer           top quality AV development
22:58 * Megaf         getting tired of manually compying libs, compressing, uploading, downloading, extracing, ldding
22:58 Megaf           compilying
23:02 Megaf           and somehow ldd is seg faulting now
23:07 twoelk          gone in a flash?
23:09 Megaf           I was copying the libs to a libs folder and trying to run the fork
23:09 Megaf           unfortunetally LD_LIBRARY_PATH=libs ldd dont work
23:10 twoelk          no thats wrong it was a dish that ran away with the spoon
23:10 Megaf           and ldd alone dont show all missing libs, it show a set of missing libs, then when those libs are added it shows another set
23:11 twoelk          depencycascade
23:11 Megaf           yep, so the first set was easy to resolve
23:11 Megaf           but now I have to keep running and seeing what lib it complains it dont have
23:12 Megaf           and adding one my one
23:12 Megaf           each tipe repacking and reuploading the thing and downloading it again
23:12 Megaf           there must me an easier way of doing that
23:13 Megaf           libcrypto.so.1.0.2  libcurl.so.4     libgssapi_krb5.so.2  libIrrlicht.so.1.8  libk5crypto.so.3  liblber-2.4.so.2    libluajit-5.1.so.2  libnghttp2.so.14  libopenal.so.1  libpng16.so.16  libssh2.so.1     libstdc++.so.6      libvorbis.so.0
23:13 Megaf           libc.so.6           libgnutls.so.30  libhogweed.so.4      libjpeg.so.62       libkrb5.so.3      libldap_r-2.4.so.2  libm.so.6           libogg.so.0       libpng12.so
23:13 Megaf           these are the libs I copied so far
23:13 Megaf           twoelk: ^
23:14 twoelk          liberatedhogweed sounds like fun, can I smoke that?
23:14 Megaf           and imagine when libjpeg gets to version 69
23:16 Megaf           20 MB on libs alone
23:18 * twoelk        is trying to parse the libbylist instead of going to sleep
23:21 Fixer           hmm, directory opus looks just like worker FM
23:23 * twoelk        liberateshisheadofliblistsandgoestosleep
23:24 Megaf           twoelk Liberates His Head Of LibList And Goes To Sleep
23:25 demonhunter555  Hi I told you i knew how to get on
23:26 Megaf           what are you talking about?
23:26 Fixer           https://i.imgur.com/Xe9XpNc.png
23:29 Megaf           Minetest requires 7 millions libs for crypto and ssl and sasls and stuff
23:29 Megaf           WHY!?
23:30 Megaf           libcrypt, libcryto, libssl, libssh, libsasl, link5
23:31 Fixer           Megaf: you are overcomplicatinh
23:31 agrecascino     shamoanjac,
23:31 agrecascino     shamoanjac,
23:31 agrecascino     shamoanjac,
23:31 agrecascino     oh god help
23:40 Megaf           Can anyone on ANY Linux 64 bit test this please? http://mt.megaf.info/~minetest/MineDigger.tar.gz
23:40 Megaf           to run just extract, open the folder and double click RunMineDigger or ./RunMineDigger
23:41 Fixer           Megaf: X11 required?
23:41 Megaf           wget http://mt.megaf.info/~minetest/MineDigger.tar.gz && tar zxf MineDigger.tar.gz && cd MineDigger && ./RunMineDigger
23:41 Megaf           Fixer: without X11 you can try the server, ./RunMineDiggerServer
23:42 Megaf           it seg faults on Debian Wheezy
23:42 Megaf           =/
23:43 Fixer           i have same debian wheezy
23:44 agrecascino     help
23:44 Void7           ?
23:44 agrecascino     https://github.com/agrecascino/factions/pull/8/commits/1326104d2857949d532da5a41dbb8f641194a631
23:45 agrecascino     something is wrong with util
23:45 Void7           It has been my experience so far that saying "something is wrong plzfix" has almost no data and pretty much everybody will ignore it
23:45 Void7           what's the exact error?
23:45 shamoanjac      agrecascino,
23:45 shamoanjac      what
23:46 agrecascino     something with the {}
23:46 shamoanjac      what does it say?
23:46 Void7           what's the problem? the Y coordinate is way off?
23:46 agrecascino     no
23:46 shamoanjac      does it nil-fault?
23:46 agrecascino     expected to close { at line 47
23:46 shamoanjac      lel
23:47 Void7           line 50 needs a comma
23:47 shamoanjac      yep
23:47 Void7           at the end
23:47 agrecascino     also
23:47 agrecascino     found a bug
23:48 Void7           what?
23:48 shamoanjac      pls tell
23:48 shamoanjac      I'll go to bed soon
23:48 agrecascino     sorry i'm catting the entire file and it's taking ages
23:49 agrecascino     something to do with concatenation and claiming
23:49 shamoanjac      do you get an error?
23:49 agrecascino     yes
23:49 shamoanjac      ok wait a moment
23:49 shamoanjac      I'll test it myself
23:54 wake_me_up      pastebin.com/16vWTFZCV
23:56 shamoanjac      welp
23:56 shamoanjac      I had fixed it
23:57 shamoanjac      ah of course
23:57 shamoanjac      https://github.com/agrecascino/factions/pull/9
23:57 shamoanjac      ^ PR with fix
23:57 shamoanjac      and your pastebin is no longer valid
23:59 wake_me_up      ?