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00:04 |
Hijiri |
I've patched the thing and deleted that player's orders |
00:14 |
Fixer |
how exactly you patched it? |
00:29 |
rubenwardy |
what mod is that, Hijiri |
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turd |
Can anyone tell me how to keep inventory when a player dies on a server? Do I just delete /mods/bones? |
00:49 |
sofar |
disable bones, yes |
00:49 |
turd |
ok thanks |
00:50 |
Fixer |
maike? |
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Hijiri |
rubenwardy: global_exchange |
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01:02 |
redblade |
hi |
01:02 |
redblade |
i'm having some issues with my new server |
01:02 |
redblade |
i shut down the one running on the same vps |
01:03 |
redblade |
lag is <1 memory is fine |
01:03 |
redblade |
but people are timing out anyway |
01:03 |
redblade |
can someone come over and take a look please? |
01:03 |
redblade |
i'm not having any problems but everyone else is |
01:03 |
redblade |
creative gardens |
01:04 |
redblade |
server memory use i mean |
01:04 |
redblade |
not using swap at all |
01:05 |
redblade |
i'm really getting tired of this |
01:05 |
redblade |
i've done everything i can |
01:05 |
redblade |
people still time out |
01:05 |
redblade |
upgraded my vps plan |
01:05 |
redblade |
started a new server without technic, experimental mapgen, and others |
01:06 |
redblade |
can as many people as possible join, walk around and do something, and let me know what the problem is? |
01:07 |
redblade |
what's weird is that the lag is <1 now with the other server gone |
01:07 |
redblade |
but people are still timing out |
01:15 |
Fixer |
unfortunately it is too late for me, going to sleep, but maybe someone will help, try asking help in 10 hours or so |
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redblade |
ok |
01:19 |
redblade |
anyone here can join i just want to know what's the cause because i have no problems and i got the lag and memory use down |
01:20 |
Tuxfuk |
ip? |
01:21 |
dzho |
and domain name? |
01:21 |
Tuxfuk |
yep |
01:26 |
redblade |
bbl |
01:26 |
redblade |
"the creative gardens" |
01:26 |
redblade |
45.33.65.68:30000 |
01:26 |
redblade |
i gotta go bbl tell me here for when i get back |
01:27 |
redblade |
lag currently 0.1 |
01:31 |
Tuxfuk |
what's the problem? |
01:31 |
Tuxfuk |
spawn gets laggy as fuck |
01:34 |
rubenwardy |
If you have a lot of interactive things, then you could be subject to the meta data problem |
01:34 |
rubenwardy |
where meta data is excessively resent |
01:34 |
rubenwardy |
interactive things such as mesecons or technic |
01:40 |
redblade |
back |
01:40 |
redblade |
there's mesecons |
01:40 |
redblade |
how is it laggy at spawn regardless of what it tells me? |
01:40 |
Tuxfuk |
i'm at your house |
01:40 |
rubenwardy |
By lag do you mean low latency or low fps? |
01:41 |
Tuxfuk |
fps |
01:41 |
rubenwardy |
sorry, high latency |
01:41 |
Tuxfuk |
in the 20s |
01:41 |
rubenwardy |
What version of Minetest does your client and your server use |
01:41 |
redblade |
i got 0.5 |
01:41 |
redblade |
here in the hotel |
01:41 |
redblade |
0.4.13 |
01:41 |
redblade |
dev |
01:41 |
Tuxfuk |
my client is 0.4.1 |
01:41 |
Tuxfuk |
compiled grom source |
01:42 |
rubenwardy |
there is no 0.5 client. And I'd discourage using 0.4.1 XD |
01:42 |
rubenwardy |
if that wasn't a typo |
01:42 |
Tuxfuk |
why? |
01:42 |
rubenwardy |
The latest dev has quite a few improvements |
01:42 |
Tuxfuk |
it's already been update? |
01:42 |
XeonSquared |
how do I load mods on a dedicated server? |
01:42 |
rubenwardy |
It's old and won't work with many servers |
01:42 |
Tuxfuk |
ah |
01:43 |
rubenwardy |
XeonSquared, world.mt in the wolrd folder |
01:43 |
rubenwardy |
load_mod_<modname> = true |
01:43 |
Tuxfuk |
i dont recall if i compiled from github or portage |
01:43 |
Tuxfuk |
i'll go ahead and update |
01:43 |
XeonSquared |
rubenwardy: ohok, thanks :D |
01:43 |
Tuxfuk |
thanks for the pointer. also, can we increase the max framerate? |
01:44 |
rubenwardy |
max_fps = 0 will unlimit the framerate |
01:44 |
rubenwardy |
in minetest.conf |
01:44 |
rubenwardy |
or fps_max |
01:44 |
Tuxfuk |
sweet thanks |
01:44 |
rubenwardy |
not sure |
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Tuxfuk |
is it necessary to restart minetest after modifying that? |
01:48 |
rubenwardy |
yes |
01:49 |
Tuxfuk |
thanks |
01:52 |
Tuxfuk |
hmmm |
01:52 |
Tuxfuk |
neither of those worked |
01:53 |
rubenwardy |
it's fps_max |
01:54 |
rubenwardy |
it may not be in 0.4.1, if you haven't updated yet |
01:54 |
Tuxfuk |
oh |
01:54 |
Tuxfuk |
possibly |
01:54 |
rubenwardy |
0.4.1 is like four years old |
01:55 |
Tuxfuk |
spaces on the sides of =? |
01:55 |
Tuxfuk |
seriously? lol |
01:55 |
rubenwardy |
spaces are not needed |
01:55 |
Tuxfuk |
lol yeah i installed it via portage |
01:55 |
Tuxfuk |
witheut unmasking all of the new ones |
01:58 |
Tuxfuk |
see you guys later |
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XeonSquared |
Can't decide whether the server machine is overpowered or Minetest is just a light server |
02:02 |
XeonSquared |
Sitting happily at 1% CPU |
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XeonSquared |
http://lain.shadowkat.science/~izaya/img/asakura-htop.png |
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rubenwardy |
how many players though? |
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redblade |
hi est you there? |
03:35 |
est31 |
yes |
03:35 |
est31 |
whats the issue |
03:35 |
est31 |
hello |
03:36 |
redblade |
hi |
03:37 |
redblade |
having issues with users on my new server timing out, despite the fact that server memory is good, i shut down the other server on the vps, lag is <1, etc |
03:37 |
redblade |
I asked Tuxfuk and he said it was slow for him even though the lag was <1 |
03:37 |
redblade |
could you please head over there and check it out for me? |
03:38 |
redblade |
i'm not logged on, have to go soon |
03:38 |
redblade |
just let me know here |
03:38 |
redblade |
"the creative gardens" |
03:38 |
redblade |
45.33.65.68:30000 |
03:40 |
est31 |
well idk |
03:41 |
est31 |
lag can have multiple reasons |
03:41 |
est31 |
most times its the mods |
03:41 |
redblade |
it's like every user, and yesterday someone complained about "processing errors" |
03:42 |
redblade |
when i set up this server, i didn't add the mods that were crashing on the old server, like technic and mg |
03:42 |
redblade |
so i thought it would be good |
03:42 |
redblade |
but there seems to be more timeouts than quits which is not a good sign |
03:42 |
redblade |
but you're not having any problems? |
03:43 |
redblade |
inventory lite is a lot less pages |
03:44 |
redblade |
i dont have a chance to ask everyone if they're mobile or not because they timeout within a minute |
03:44 |
redblade |
and the guy yesterday had a 4 GB refurbished desktop he said |
03:45 |
redblade |
with win7 |
04:08 |
MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Documentation: Auto-update conf.example and settings_translation_file.cpp 20312fd https://git.io/vanqB (2016-03-12T04:03:43Z) |
04:49 |
redblade |
back |
05:31 |
everamzah |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14186 <-- SuperPick behold its power! |
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everamzah |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIZ-GmnkqQE (compared to maptools when used on a node with on_punch defined) |
12:23 |
sfan5 |
!title |
12:23 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: SuperPick Comparison - YouTube |
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Fixer |
Warning: Windows 7 computers are being reported as automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade without permission. (self.technology) |
13:34 |
Fixer |
lol |
13:39 |
XeonSquared |
sometimes I'm really glad that Windows Update is broken on the Windows 7 boxen I have |
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Megaf |
!server Megaf |
13:57 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/6, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.13-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms |
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sfan5 |
!server players:most |
14:04 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: just test | 87.110.8.195 | Clients: 31/78, 21/33 | Version: 0.4.12-dev / minetest | Ping: 37ms |
14:08 |
Megaf |
just test runs a server version even older than mine |
14:09 |
Megaf |
I wonder if it still maintained? |
14:09 |
Megaf |
sfan5, how to check the servers uptime with !server? |
14:09 |
Megaf |
!server uptime:most |
14:09 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: No results |
14:09 |
Megaf |
!server uptime:larger |
14:09 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: No results |
14:10 |
* Megaf |
opens up https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md |
14:10 |
Megaf |
no uptime |
14:14 |
sfan5 |
no uptimec |
14:14 |
sfan5 |
correct |
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Megaf |
So I just applied for a job, and this is the application pages banner. http://www.arvatofinance.com/uploads/tx_templavoila/arvato_career.jpg |
14:21 |
Megaf |
I think I might need a slightly larger aeroplane |
14:22 |
Krock |
I wonder what the guys will do in 2099 when a new version of C(++) is released |
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Calinou |
which libre, self-hostable password manager would you recommend? |
16:13 |
Calinou |
needs to be able to sync across devices |
16:14 |
Calinou |
and cross-platform client, with Android support ideally |
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nm0i |
I used to use keepass (on android) + kpcli (*nix/windows side) + syncthing for passfile syncing. |
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MinetestBot |
[git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Fix chat console not opening after formspec opened over it 8c951ca https://git.io/vanAU (2016-03-12T12:01:40-05:00) |
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kaadmy |
on the new liberty land server i got the "WARNING: Invalid Listener" problem |
17:34 |
kaadmy |
and since then i can't connect, it just initializes nodes and does nothing with only the sky and clouds and finally times out after a few minutes |
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Fixer |
interesting.png |
18:19 |
MinetestBot |
[git] sofar -> minetest/minetest: Allow nodes to specify which sides to connect to. 37b4f0d https://git.io/vacej (2016-03-12T12:08:17-05:00) |
18:19 |
MinetestBot |
[git] sofar -> minetest/minetest: Nodebox: Allow nodeboxes to "connect" e737b1c https://git.io/vacve (2016-03-12T12:08:17-05:00) |
18:19 |
Fixer |
kaadmy, client version? |
18:19 |
Megaf |
<ACTION> 2016-03-12 17:45:56: [Server] chocolate [2.102.131.245] joins game. |
18:19 |
Megaf |
Dat IP |
18:19 |
Megaf |
and Dat Taste |
18:19 |
Fixer |
nice ip |
18:21 |
Fixer |
kaadmy, connected fine, no errors, latest git week old with few PRs included |
18:23 |
kaadmy |
Fixer: only after i the the invalid listener problem |
18:23 |
kaadmy |
worked fine before that |
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Yst |
I don't get it. What's so special about that IP address? |
18:25 |
Megaf |
nerd stuff |
18:25 |
Megaf |
you no nerd |
18:25 |
sofar |
random numbers whooo |
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18:36 |
Yst |
Megaf: Each number is greater than the one before it. Is that it? |
18:36 |
Yst |
sofar: Ha ha. |
18:36 |
Megaf |
Yst, that too |
18:37 |
sfan5 |
well the thing i would find remarkable about that ip is the small first octet |
18:37 |
Megaf |
but in my opinion the nicest thing about that IP is that the first number is single digit |
18:37 |
sfan5 |
dont see those often |
18:37 |
Megaf |
^ :) |
18:37 |
Yst |
Ah, I see. |
18:37 |
Megaf |
So, it is an awesome IP indeed |
18:37 |
Yst |
I wonder why not. |
18:37 |
sfan5 |
because of allocations |
18:38 |
sfan5 |
lost of first-small-octet spaces were allocated in the beginning |
18:38 |
sfan5 |
and are used by companies |
18:38 |
sfan5 |
not DSL subscribers |
18:38 |
sfan5 |
s/lost/lots/ |
18:38 |
Megaf |
TalkTalk Telecom Plus Dynamic Range |
18:38 |
Yst |
That explains why Google has at least a couple short IP addresses. |
18:38 |
sfan5 |
not really |
18:39 |
Megaf |
TalkTalk Communications Limited |
18:39 |
sfan5 |
iirc they are "borrowing" 8.8.8.8 from level3 |
18:39 |
Megaf |
That's who owns that IP |
18:39 |
Yst |
Ah, I see. |
18:39 |
Megaf |
I rather use 208.67.222.222 208.67.220.220 :D |
18:39 |
sfan5 |
!py __import__("os").popen("whois 8.0.0.0").read() |
18:39 |
MinetestBot |
'' |
18:39 |
Megaf |
8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 is for the weak |
18:40 |
sfan5 |
!py __import__("os").popen("echo '8.0.0.0' | nc whois.ripe.net 43").read() |
18:40 |
MinetestBot |
'% This is the RIPE Database query service.\n% The objects are in RPSL format.\n%\n% The RIPE Database is subject to Terms and Conditions.\n% See http://www.ripe.net/db/support/db-terms-conditions.pdf\n\n% Note: this output has been filtered.\n% To receive output for a database update, use the "-B" flag.\n\n% Information related to \'8.0.0.0 - 8.255.255.255\'\n\n% No abuse contact registered for 8.0.0.0 - 8.255.255.255\n\ |
18:40 |
Megaf |
sfan5, Level 3 Communications, Inc. (LVLT) |
18:40 |
sfan5 |
!py ' '.join(e if e[0] != '%' else "" for e in __import__("os").popen("echo '8.0.0.0' | nc whois.ripe.net 43").read().split("\n")) |
18:40 |
MinetestBot |
IndexError: string index out of range (file "/home/sfan5/mtbot/modules/admin.py", line 78, in py) |
18:40 |
Megaf |
you are correct, Goggle is "borrowing" the IP |
18:41 |
sfan5 |
!py ' '.join(e if len(e) > 0 and e[0] != '%' else "" for e in __import__("os").popen("echo '8.0.0.0' | nc whois.ripe.net 43").read().split("\n")) |
18:41 |
MinetestBot |
' inetnum: 8.0.0.0 - 8.255.255.255 netname: NON-RIPE-NCC-MANAGED-ADDRESS-BLOCK descr: IPv4 address block not managed by the RIPE NCC remarks: ------------------------------------------------------ remarks: remarks: You can find the whois server to query, or the remarks: IANA registry to query on this web page: remarks: http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-sp |
18:41 |
Megaf |
Parent: LVLT-ORG-8-8 (NET-8-0-0-0-1) |
18:41 |
Megaf |
NetType: Reallocated |
18:41 |
Yst |
Megaf: Do those IP addresses actually lead to the same place as the short ones? |
18:41 |
sfan5 |
maybe i should just open a terminal |
18:41 |
sfan5 |
Yst: no they dont |
18:41 |
Megaf |
Yst, 208.67.222.222 208.67.220.220 is the BEST and SAFEST DNS server in the planet |
18:41 |
sfan5 |
i prefer my isps dns |
18:41 |
Megaf |
theres a whole community arround it |
18:41 |
sfan5 |
better latency |
18:42 |
Megaf |
!google OpenDNS |
18:42 |
Megaf |
!g OpenDNS |
18:42 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: https://www.opendns.com/ |
18:42 |
Megaf |
!title |
18:42 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Cloud Delivered Enterprise Security by OpenDNS |
18:42 |
Megaf |
There |
18:42 |
Megaf |
Organization: OpenDNS, LLC (OPEND-2) |
18:42 |
Megaf |
NetType: Direct Assignment |
18:42 |
Yst |
My ISP removes NXDOMAIN responses and replaces them with records pointing to their own ad server. I'd rather not use my ISP's DNS servers. |
18:42 |
Megaf |
and their IP actually belongs to them |
18:43 |
sfan5 |
% ping -6Ac 8 2003:180:2:2000::53|tail -1 |
18:43 |
sfan5 |
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 11.589/26.909/62.298/21.259 ms, ipg/ewma 200.696/22.915 ms |
18:43 |
sfan5 |
most likely way better then opendns |
18:43 |
Megaf |
208.67.222.222 |
18:44 |
Megaf |
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 51.219/66.685/89.510/12.463 ms |
18:44 |
Yst |
Megaf: WHat makes OpenDNS better, aside from not being run by the evil Google corporation? |
18:44 |
Megaf |
8.8.8.8 |
18:44 |
Megaf |
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 40.729/64.343/80.085/13.457 ms |
18:44 |
sfan5 |
Yst: you can most likely get that disabled by your isp |
18:44 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: your isps dns will be much closer than any other dns |
18:45 |
sfan5 |
% ping -Ac 8 208.67.222.222|tail -1 |
18:45 |
sfan5 |
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 98.725/102.344/116.284/5.691 ms, ipg/ewma 200.563/102.332 ms |
18:45 |
sfan5 |
horrible ping |
18:45 |
Megaf |
Yst, control, you can actually control everything related to your internet if you create and account with OpenDNS |
18:45 |
sfan5 |
i would never use opends |
18:45 |
sfan5 |
+n |
18:45 |
Yst |
I'm not the account holder. But I do control the router, so I set that to point to my own DNS server and set my DNS server to ask Google's DNS server. |
18:45 |
Megaf |
but I use them because I found them the quickest to update DNS records |
18:45 |
sfan5 |
umm |
18:45 |
Megaf |
sfan5, latency is high here because 3G |
18:45 |
sfan5 |
that depends on the TTL |
18:45 |
Megaf |
3G > Wifi There > laptop |
18:45 |
Yst |
Megaf: Control how? |
18:45 |
Megaf |
tether |
18:45 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: your ISPs server i still going to be closer |
18:46 |
sfan5 |
Yst: why add the additonal dns server? |
18:46 |
sfan5 |
your router most likely already runs one |
18:46 |
Megaf |
sfan5, often I just use my own DNS server... |
18:46 |
Megaf |
it gets stuff from the master and caches here |
18:46 |
Megaf |
bind, named, that is |
18:47 |
Megaf |
s/master/root |
18:47 |
Yst |
sfan5: So I can intercept requests to the "test." TLD. IANA alocated the "test." TLD for that purpose. <https://www.iana.org/assignments/special-use-domain-names/special-use-domain-names.xhtml> |
18:47 |
sfan5 |
my router also runs a caching dns server |
18:47 |
sfan5 |
Yst: 1) why? 2) your router should be able to do that |
18:47 |
* Megaf |
will run tests |
18:48 |
Yst |
For example, when I need to send files to someone on my network for example, I can put the files at <https://files.text/>. I didn't see an option to do that in the router, but I'll look again. |
18:48 |
sfan5 |
can't be bothered to type adresses? |
18:49 |
Yst |
Also, I've been learning how to set up reverse DNS using the "10.in-addr.arpa." name space. |
18:49 |
sfan5 |
openwrt does that automatically for me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
18:49 |
Yst |
I host multiple sites locally with different servers. Each needs a name., |
18:49 |
Yst |
Yeah, well, any router that can run OpenWRT is better than my router. |
18:49 |
sfan5 |
% host raspberry.lan|head -1;host 192.168.2.101 |
18:49 |
sfan5 |
raspberry.lan has address 192.168.2.101 |
18:49 |
sfan5 |
101.2.168.192.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer raspberry.lan. |
18:50 |
sofar |
I have a full on server as router |
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18:50 |
Yst |
If I had a full OS on my router, I'd force all TCP trafic through Tor. It'd be wonderful. |
18:50 |
Megaf |
by the way, if you could help me with this windows issue I will be glad |
18:51 |
sofar |
even hosts things like my bouncer, httpd, sql, openvpn, several game servers |
18:51 |
Megaf |
we have this Samsung laptop, the HD was formated and we would like to reinstall Windows on it, since we have it's original Key. Question is, where can I get a windows installer for it? I'm almost sure it came with Windows 7 Pro OEM. |
18:51 |
Megaf |
I was thinking about getting the ISO from Torrent, but the chance of it having crap bundled is big, so, any suggestions |
18:52 |
sfan5 |
Yst: it would be horrible |
18:52 |
Yst |
Sorry, I have no idea where to get Windows installation media. Maybe the OEM would help? |
18:52 |
sfan5 |
constant captchas |
18:52 |
sfan5 |
man in the middle |
18:52 |
Yst |
sfan5: I already deal with that as my Web browser is set to use TOr. |
18:52 |
sfan5 |
no udp |
18:52 |
Yst |
Like I said, I'd have it do it only to TCP, not UDP. |
18:52 |
sfan5 |
online banking will most likely not work |
18:52 |
Yst |
So Minetest would still be playable over UDP. |
18:53 |
sfan5 |
what do you accomplish then? |
18:53 |
Yst |
I've used online banking over Tor for years. |
18:53 |
Yst |
I'd make sure that there were no leaks. |
18:53 |
sfan5 |
i doubt my bank would be fine with me using online banking over tor |
18:53 |
sfan5 |
you can't |
18:53 |
Yst |
I'd also not have to set all my applications to use Tor because my router would do it for me. |
18:53 |
sfan5 |
if you leave udp enabled a program can just send some udp pkts somewhere |
18:53 |
Megaf |
minetest.net.297INA89.188.9.43 |
18:53 |
Megaf |
;; Query time: 2 msec |
18:53 |
Megaf |
;; SERVER: 192.168.43.1#53(192.168.43.1) |
18:54 |
sfan5 |
also you can't connect to freenode over tor |
18:54 |
Yst |
I'm connected to freenode over Tor right now. |
18:54 |
Megaf |
minetest.net.300INA89.188.9.43 |
18:54 |
Megaf |
;; Query time: 166 msec |
18:54 |
Megaf |
;; SERVER: 208.67.222.222#53(208.67.222.222) |
18:54 |
sfan5 |
;; Query time: 0 msec |
18:54 |
sfan5 |
;; SERVER: 192.168.2.1#53(192.168.2.1) |
18:54 |
Yst |
It takes hours to connect usually, but it works. |
18:54 |
sfan5 |
problem Megaf? |
18:54 |
Krock |
uuh, someone got it working |
18:54 |
Megaf |
minetest.net.299INA89.188.9.43 |
18:54 |
Megaf |
;; Query time: 184 msec |
18:54 |
Megaf |
;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) |
18:54 |
Fixer |
Megaf, you can get official Windows 7 iso from microsoft servers, legally |
18:55 |
sfan5 |
Yst: you are connecting over a PIA vpn |
18:55 |
Megaf |
Fixer, it asks for key, it will not accept my OEM key |
18:55 |
Megaf |
;minetest.net.INA |
18:55 |
Megaf |
;; Query time: 0 msec |
18:55 |
Megaf |
;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1) |
18:55 |
Yst |
sfan5: A PIA VPN that must be running an exit node, as I'm only configured to use Tor. |
18:55 |
Megaf |
sfan5, ^ |
18:55 |
Krock |
microsoft.sucks.TEST.127.0.0.1 |
18:55 |
Krock |
;; Query time: -1 msec |
18:55 |
Krock |
;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#80(127.0.0.1) |
18:55 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: just download windows loader and stop worrying? |
18:56 |
Krock |
what's up with all that text? |
18:56 |
Krock |
pastebni broken? |
18:56 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: yeah but my router is as fast as your localhost :D |
18:56 |
Krock |
*pastebin |
18:56 |
Megaf |
sfan5, lol |
18:56 |
sfan5 |
Yst: it's |
18:56 |
Megaf |
sfan5, now, windows loader? What's that? |
18:56 |
sfan5 |
Yst: what you're doing is hoping that someone runs an exit node with an ip whitelisted on fn |
18:56 |
sfan5 |
which is not a guarantee |
18:57 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: tl;dr crack for windows |
18:57 |
Yst |
I didn't know that they were whitelisted, I figured freenode had failed to blacklist them. |
18:57 |
sfan5 |
nah PIA is whitelisted |
18:57 |
sfan5 |
they also sponsor some freenode servers |
18:57 |
Fixer |
Megaf, https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows7 |
18:57 |
Yst |
But yeah, no guarantee. It takes hours to cycle to a node that isn't blocked. |
18:58 |
Megaf |
"<Megaf> Fixer, it asks for key, it will not accept my OEM key" |
18:58 |
sfan5 |
you call that acceptable? |
18:58 |
Yst |
Ah, they sponsor servers. Good to know. |
18:58 |
sfan5 |
i couldn't work with that kind of "internet" |
18:58 |
Megaf |
Fixer, if you can get me a key that works just to download that I will be glad, you can send me via IM here |
18:59 |
Megaf |
interest so much faster with local DNS server |
18:59 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: why are you insisting on doing it the legal way |
18:59 |
Yst |
sfan5: No, I don't call freenode acceptable, but certain communities are here and don't feel like moving to a friendlier network. I can either deal with freenode's garbage or I can kiss this community (and a couple others) goodbye. |
18:59 |
sfan5 |
also your router also has a dns |
18:59 |
Fixer |
Megaf, what edition? |
19:00 |
Megaf |
Fixer, I think it doesnt matter on the website, does it? Its 7 Professional anyways |
19:00 |
sfan5 |
Yst: actually you used to use to be able to connect over an onion service |
19:00 |
Fixer |
Megaf, 64 bit? |
19:00 |
Yst |
sfan5: I know, right? I wish that that was back. |
19:00 |
Megaf |
sfan5, to be 100% sure there will be no crap on it, I mean, not more than windows already is |
19:00 |
Megaf |
Fixer, Yes please |
19:00 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: just find a trustworthy torrent |
19:00 |
sfan5 |
waay easier |
19:01 |
Yst |
Although, you still needed to find a whitelisted node in order to register an account, as you couldn't use the onion addresses without already having an accoult with NickServ. |
19:01 |
sfan5 |
also if you want a german ISO for home premium i can give you an original one |
19:01 |
Megaf |
tried, millions of torrents for windows xp and 10 |
19:01 |
sfan5 |
>win 10 |
19:01 |
sfan5 |
wat |
19:01 |
sfan5 |
you can download win10 from ms |
19:01 |
Fixer |
Megaf, https://archive.org/download/digital_river/x17-59186.iso |
19:01 |
sfan5 |
without a product key |
19:01 |
Megaf |
I know, I want Windows 7 Pro 64 bit En |
19:01 |
sfan5 |
i'm aware |
19:01 |
Megaf |
Fixer, what's that? |
19:01 |
sfan5 |
but you shouldn't be having problems getting windows 10 |
19:02 |
Fixer |
Megaf, mirror of official microsoft ISO |
19:02 |
Megaf |
sfan5, I have windows 10 already, in a flash drive |
19:02 |
Megaf |
I want 7 |
19:02 |
Megaf |
I mean, my ex girlfriend wants 7 |
19:02 |
Megaf |
because I made her want 7 |
19:02 |
Megaf |
well, not the point now |
19:03 |
Calinou |
this "Windows 7 is the best" trend has to stop |
19:03 |
sfan5 |
but it's true |
19:03 |
Calinou |
I don't want to have to support it in 2025 or so, as a software developer |
19:03 |
Calinou |
(when it'll be… 16 years old) |
19:04 |
Fixer |
it is best |
19:04 |
Megaf |
Calinou, I think is a piece of shite, but better than 10. The problem is, 10 will be sending crap and info over the interwebs all the time |
19:04 |
Megaf |
eating our data plan |
19:04 |
Fixer |
people are tired of endless and mindless updating |
19:04 |
Megaf |
and invanding privacy |
19:04 |
Calinou |
there's many techniques to limit data leaks |
19:04 |
Calinou |
but it's Windows… even 7 phones home on boot |
19:04 |
sfan5 |
that's not the point |
19:05 |
sfan5 |
the point is that it does that by default |
19:05 |
Calinou |
Windows 7 also phones home by default |
19:05 |
sfan5 |
just because you can disable it doesn't mean that it'S good |
19:05 |
Yst |
If people are concerned about privacy, they shouldn't be using Windows in my opinion. |
19:05 |
Calinou |
it is just less known |
19:05 |
sfan5 |
i'm aware |
19:05 |
Fixer |
their move to metro down everyones throat started it all |
19:05 |
sfan5 |
windows 10 phones home with way more data |
19:05 |
Megaf |
even if you disable everything on 10 it will still sends lots of stuff, eating your data |
19:05 |
Fixer |
their don't care about users but about profits, it is not my problem if their profits are low |
19:06 |
Megaf |
Yst, I agree, but the problem is, my ex is an architect, and he needs a software, very expensive one, that only works on Windows |
19:06 |
sfan5 |
what is the problem even |
19:06 |
sfan5 |
you got a link to an iso |
19:06 |
Yst |
It's sad to be trapped. |
19:07 |
Fixer |
from official distributor, it was taken down but mirror is available at webarchive |
19:07 |
Megaf |
sfan5, I'm downloading it |
19:07 |
Megaf |
thanks Fixer, downloading |
19:07 |
Megaf |
about 50 minutes to finish |
19:07 |
Calinou |
uni forces everyone to use Windows or OS X here |
19:07 |
Fixer |
Calinou, long support is actually cool, running 20 year old games is impressive, i like that |
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19:08 |
Calinou |
an OS ≠a random program |
19:08 |
Calinou |
supporting Windows XP, for example, requires you to use quite arcane APIs in many areas |
19:08 |
Calinou |
Blender is dropping Windows XP support |
19:09 |
Fixer |
again, microsoft has problem with profits, forces mindless OS redesigns down my throat, I'm perfectly fine with 7, it works well |
19:09 |
kaadmy |
Calinou: yay |
19:09 |
Fixer |
at least do good backward compatibility |
19:09 |
sfan5 |
>windows xp |
19:09 |
sfan5 |
is outdated |
19:09 |
sfan5 |
windows 7 is not |
19:09 |
Calinou |
not yet |
19:09 |
Calinou |
but in 2025? |
19:10 |
sfan5 |
maybe more |
19:10 |
Calinou |
(Windows 10 will be EOL in 2025, normally) |
19:10 |
sfan5 |
but the difference between xp and 7 will be bigger than 7 and 10 |
19:10 |
sfan5 |
s/will/is definitely/ |
19:10 |
Fixer |
i see no point in updating when OS is been dumbed down |
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19:10 |
Fixer |
and software |
19:10 |
Calinou |
Windows 10 is not really dumbed down in comparison to 7 |
19:11 |
Calinou |
it has a start menu, it has a desktop, it has a file explorer |
19:11 |
Calinou |
the Windows 8/8.1 era is over :) |
19:11 |
Fixer |
I use some outdated versions of software because of usual reasons: bullshit down my throat, stupid hipster-UI and feature removal, same with OS |
19:11 |
Fixer |
or even malware included |
19:11 |
Calinou |
you don't particularly deserve support when doing t hat |
19:12 |
Fixer |
Calinou, over? lol, it is win 7 era really |
19:12 |
Calinou |
this issue reminds me a lot of the few people who insist on using Opera 12.10 :p |
19:12 |
Fixer |
it was last good opera, yes |
19:12 |
Fixer |
and they remade it into piece of shit |
19:12 |
Fixer |
another mindless clone |
19:12 |
Fixer |
of chrome |
19:13 |
Yst |
Ew, Chrome. |
19:14 |
Fixer |
nice browser turned into piece of shit, nice work opera |
19:14 |
Calinou |
http://chromium.woolyss.com/ :) |
19:14 |
Fixer |
and first release does not even have a bookmarks, Carl! |
19:14 |
Fixer |
f-ing bookmarks |
19:15 |
Fixer |
you don't need bookmarks, because you are brainless idiot, deal with it |
19:17 |
Fixer |
looking forward to steam machines |
19:17 |
kaadmy |
someone should tell the people that set up the mods on liberty land that trapdoors are uncraftable |
19:18 |
Fixer |
kaadmy, >>>>> Out`Of`Control |
19:19 |
kaadmy |
ok |
19:20 |
Fixer |
btw, mozilla is going on slippery road too |
19:20 |
Fixer |
if not worse |
19:20 |
Fixer |
with that firefox os debucle and stuff |
19:20 |
Calinou |
we need a true community-based browser |
19:20 |
Calinou |
based on WebKit, Gecko, Electron, whatever… |
19:21 |
Calinou |
it has not been made yet |
19:21 |
Fixer |
Calinou, links2 :trollface: |
19:22 |
Calinou |
it'd be nice if that community browser had privacy built-in, possibly ad blocking |
19:23 |
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19:23 |
Yst |
That would be great. All current Web browsers that I know about suck. |
19:23 |
Fixer |
Calinou, btw, 1 year ago on small enterprise I know, there was Win98SE workstation with usual Office + specialised software, it was moved to newer refurbished PC after hardware failure |
19:23 |
Fixer |
it was not connected to a network |
19:24 |
Fixer |
still, perfectly usable, and iirc usb was available |
19:24 |
Krock |
good old systems where newer virus are incompatible |
19:25 |
Fixer |
and some places use DOS |
19:26 |
Fixer |
looking at that dumbing down of OS/software a lot of people with each year will refuse to upgrade endlessly without big reason, there is no point, and it will get a ransomware virus anyway |
19:27 |
Fixer |
it is the user that matters |
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20:12 |
Megaf |
<Calinou> based on WebKit, Gecko, Electron, whatever… |
20:12 |
Megaf |
Otter? |
20:12 |
Megaf |
Otter doesnt care about the rendering engine you use |
20:12 |
Megaf |
and it is just as nerd/geek as the good ol Opera < 12.x |
20:18 |
Calinou |
is it cross-platform? works on Android? |
20:18 |
Calinou |
does it support most HTML5 features? |
20:18 |
Megaf |
Yes, not yet, yes |
20:19 |
Calinou |
there was Breach but it died off :| |
20:19 |
Megaf |
https://otter-browser.org/ https://github.com/OtterBrowser/otter-browser |
20:19 |
Calinou |
the developer tried to switch to Electron, then we stopped hearing from it |
20:20 |
Megaf |
https://github.com/OtterBrowser/otter-browser/blob/master/TODO |
20:20 |
Calinou |
they use SourceForge :| |
20:20 |
Megaf |
Otter is just as great as Opera used to, with Torrent client and email client |
20:20 |
Megaf |
Calinou, I just put here their Github ;) |
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sofar |
https://youtu.be/blrurijucN4 |
20:22 |
kaeza |
o/ |
20:22 |
Calinou |
torrent client integrated into browser is a great idea |
20:22 |
Megaf |
and also, they have an IRC channel and the founder of the project is here. /whois Emdek |
20:22 |
Calinou |
this is what I liked the most in old Opera |
20:22 |
Megaf |
Otter even support the good old great Opera skins for heavens sake! |
20:22 |
Calinou |
does Otter support heavy web apps? WebGL? |
20:23 |
Megaf |
It is desgined to be web rendering engine agnostic |
20:23 |
kaeza |
sofar, nice |
20:23 |
Megaf |
so if you want webkit you can use it, gecko, ok |
20:23 |
Megaf |
whatever you want |
20:23 |
Calinou |
no support for WebGL kind of kills it for me :| hence me requesting something based on Blink or Electron |
20:23 |
Calinou |
(if that's the case) |
20:23 |
Megaf |
at the moment it uses WebKit and supports what WebKit does |
20:23 |
Megaf |
Calinou, https://github.com/OtterBrowser/otter-browser/blob/master/TODO |
20:25 |
Megaf |
Calinou, also #Otter-Browser |
20:26 |
Megaf |
the are very friendly and helpful, and you can talk to the main developer there very easily |
20:26 |
Calinou |
they seriously need a website redesign though :P |
20:26 |
Megaf |
so there you have it, modern, community driven web browser with terrible web pasge |
20:26 |
Megaf |
page* |
20:29 |
sfan5 |
!title https://youtu.be/blrurijucN4 |
20:29 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: Minetest Moving Heads - sideways movement with playeranim mod - YouTube |
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20:42 |
Tuxfuk |
hey guys |
20:43 |
Tux[Qyou] |
hi |
20:43 |
Tux[Qyou] |
fuk yourself |
20:43 |
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20:44 |
Tuxfuk |
ah |
20:44 |
Tuxfuk |
another linux buddy |
20:44 |
Tux[Qyou] |
:V |
20:44 |
Tuxfuk |
hello Tu |
20:44 |
Tuxfuk |
Tux[Qyou]: |
20:44 |
Tux[Qyou] |
hi Tuxfuk |
20:45 |
Sokomine |
has a good editor for creating .mts files come up in the meantime? one that can make use of the probabilities and display their effect? |
20:45 |
Tuxfuk |
what distro are you running? |
20:45 |
Tux[Qyou] |
i'm not |
20:45 |
Tux[Qyou] |
rip |
20:45 |
Tuxfuk |
bro- |
20:45 |
Tuxfuk |
join us with Gentoo and load up i3 |
20:46 |
Tuxfuk |
Tux[Qyou]: http://imgur.com/o7owrW6 this is my current setup |
20:46 |
Tux[Qyou] |
Greeting fellow gentleman. Do you have a while to talk about Linux? |
20:46 |
Tuxfuk |
s/gentleman/Gentooman |
20:46 |
Tuxfuk |
oh |
20:46 |
Tuxfuk |
wrong bot |
20:47 |
Tux[Qyou] |
rip |
20:47 |
Tuxfuk |
join us lol |
20:47 |
Tux[Qyou] |
join the disease |
20:47 |
Tuxfuk |
D; |
20:47 |
sfan5 |
i see someone is not using arch |
20:48 |
Tuxfuk |
compiling for the win |
20:48 |
sfan5 |
i would prefer not compiling chromium, thx |
20:48 |
Tuxfuk |
best part: 40+ chrome tabs open-only 3.4 gb of ram used |
20:49 |
Tuxfuk |
it was a pain :( took the whole night |
20:50 |
nm0i |
"3.4 gb of ram" versus "i just want to read some stuff" |
20:50 |
Tuxfuk |
lol |
20:50 |
Tux[Qyou] |
i usually have opened 80 tabs |
20:51 |
sfan5 |
i usually have 2-5 tabs open |
20:51 |
Tuxfuk |
lol sfan5 |
20:51 |
sfan5 |
(no, not 25) |
20:51 |
Tuxfuk |
2-5 |
20:51 |
nm0i |
over 100, but i have addon that unloads tabs after 7 days from memory. |
20:52 |
Tuxfuk |
nm0i: that's kind of cool. Do you know what it's called? |
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Tux[Qyou] |
-3 tabs? |
20:52 |
sfan5 |
yes |
20:52 |
nm0i |
Not on chrome, sorry. |
20:52 |
nm0i |
Unload tabs |
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Tuxfuk |
ah darn. I assume firefox, then? |
20:57 |
Tuxfuk |
i wish firefox had a nice looking UI |
20:58 |
Sokomine |
i wish there would be a usable mobile browser :/ |
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Sokomine |
and, on the desktop, mt alone has more than 100 opened tabs |
20:58 |
Tuxfuk |
Sokomine: i wish there was Chromium on the play store |
20:59 |
Tuxfuk |
i dont want to set it up so that I con compile it from home |
21:05 |
Sokomine |
not sure if chromium can be turned into something useful. minimum requirements for me would be strict whitelisting for javascript, requesting content from other sites, and (due to expensive traffic) no loading of images by default. and, of course, strict whitelists for cookies |
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sfan5 |
i'm pretty sure you can do that with extensions |
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21:06 |
Megaf |
Opera could do that |
21:06 |
Megaf |
per site settings |
21:06 |
Sokomine |
that umatrix plugin for firefox looks promising. just couldn't find it for the mobile version |
21:07 |
Out`Of`Control |
Sokomine: i use lightning works fine |
21:07 |
Megaf |
on chrome you do settings per site |
21:07 |
Megaf |
I mean, on chrome you go to settings > cookies and change sites |
21:07 |
Megaf |
on Opera you just open a settings for that specific site and change anything you want |
21:07 |
Megaf |
Opera < 12.x |
21:07 |
Megaf |
It is just beautiful the amount of control it gave to you |
21:08 |
Out`Of`Control |
i got it from f-droid no play store here |
21:08 |
Sokomine |
< 12? so newer versions are less good? |
21:08 |
Sokomine |
ooc: same here :-) |
21:08 |
Megaf |
newer versions are based on Chromium |
21:09 |
Sokomine |
ah |
21:09 |
Megaf |
https://megafs.wordpress.com/2013/05/29/opera-15-and-a-good-and-lightweight-alternative-to-it/ |
21:09 |
Megaf |
!title |
21:09 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Opera 15 and a good and lightweight alternative to it | Megaf Info |
21:09 |
Megaf |
an article I wrote when Opera switched |
21:10 |
Megaf |
"article" |
21:10 |
Megaf |
more like, lots of screenshots comparing Opera |
21:10 |
Dragonop |
sfan5, take, http://i.imgur.com/RY8FEjc.jpg |
21:10 |
sfan5 |
!cat |
21:10 |
MinetestBot |
http://i.imgur.com/yFmko1j.jpg |
21:11 |
Megaf |
and dont worry if you dont understand the text, I dont either and it was written by me |
21:11 |
Dragonop |
Thanks :3 |
21:23 |
Calinou |
for those wanting it, I've uploaded my copy of a Kenney donation pack from 2014 to GitHub (I got it from GitHub too, but the uploader deleted their repository): https://github.com/Calinou/kenney |
21:29 |
Megaf |
What's that? |
21:30 |
Calinou |
a CC0 asset pack, made for 2D games mostly |
21:30 |
Calinou |
also contains fonts, and sounds |
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germanuel24 |
I'm trying to use a new chat command that temporarily bans the player for 6 hours... registering works as expected and i see help message and so on but when i execute it with an existing player i get "bad argument #1 to 'write' (string expected, got function)" http://pastebin.com/WdwhBrVY |
21:35 |
kaeza |
germanuel24, os.time is a function. you need to CALL that function |
21:35 |
kaeza |
line 16 in your paste |
21:36 |
germanuel24 |
How do i call it so it writes timestamp to file? |
21:36 |
germanuel24 |
Oh i forgot ()? |
21:37 |
kaeza |
yep |
21:37 |
kaeza |
this isn't BASIC :P |
21:37 |
germanuel24 |
Thanks xD and when i compare the timestamps can i do "if os.time()-21600 <= ots then" |
21:38 |
germanuel24 |
ots is the file's timestamp |
21:38 |
kaeza |
also, just in case: https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-xban2 |
21:39 |
kaeza |
yep |
21:39 |
germanuel24 |
Okay thanks again |
21:40 |
kaeza |
uh, actually, os.time()+21600 |
21:43 |
germanuel24 |
init.lua:9: attempt to compare number with string |
21:43 |
kahrl |
germanuel24: btw, I think your code will break when the server is on windows and the client has an ipv6 address |
21:43 |
kahrl |
: isn't an allowed characters in filenames in windows |
21:43 |
kahrl |
character* |
21:44 |
germanuel24 |
Server is Ubuntu |
21:44 |
kahrl |
ah, I thought it was for a mod to be published |
21:45 |
germanuel24 |
No just a little command for my server^^ How to convert string to time? |
21:45 |
germanuel24 |
Or number |
21:46 |
kaeza |
tonumber? |
21:46 |
kaeza |
!pil germanuel24 |
21:46 |
MinetestBot |
germanuel24, Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/ |
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kaeza |
MinetestBot <3 |
21:48 |
germanuel24 |
How can i do a newline in return message? |
21:48 |
germanuel24 |
\n ? |
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21:50 |
germanuel24 |
Or the better question is the return syntax lua or c++? |
21:50 |
everamzah |
that is answered in this section of Programming in Lua: http://www.lua.org/pil/2.4.html |
21:50 |
everamzah |
that is a much better question |
21:50 |
* everamzah |
scratches head |
21:51 |
germanuel24 |
So it's all lua |
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Megaf |
Fixer, Are you there? |
22:08 |
Fixer |
yes |
22:08 |
Megaf |
that ISO, it didnt ask for a key, not yet at least |
22:08 |
Megaf |
installation is not complete yet tho |
22:08 |
Fixer |
key is stored in your bios |
22:08 |
Fixer |
iirc |
22:08 |
Megaf |
I'm installing it in VirtualBox first to test it |
22:09 |
Megaf |
well, it's been so long since I installed Windows 7 for the last time... |
22:09 |
Megaf |
maybe it will ask soon |
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22:11 |
Megaf |
du -hs Windows\ 7\ Professional.vdi |
22:11 |
Megaf |
7.2G Windows 7 Professional.vdi |
22:11 |
Megaf |
I've never fully understood why the basic windows install size is so large |
22:11 |
Megaf |
it doesn't bundle almost any software, no language packs, no updates |
22:15 |
MinetestBot |
[git] kaeza -> minetest/minetest: Add options for screenshot format and quality 2c72f6d https://git.io/vacZH (2016-03-12T17:12:43-05:00) |
22:17 |
Megaf |
$ du -m Windows\ 7\ Professional.vdi |
22:17 |
Megaf |
11462 Windows 7 Professional.vdi |
22:17 |
Megaf |
It still growing in "Completing Installation" |
22:17 |
Megaf |
How can windows users use windows!? |
22:19 |
Megaf |
That must be swap tho |
22:23 |
Fixer |
Megaf, windows 7 folder with recent updates is pretty fat: 32 gb |
22:23 |
Fixer |
yes, 32gb |
22:26 |
Megaf |
that if you dont remove it's backups |
22:28 |
Tuxfuk |
yo guys, do you think that this would be a nice chair for college? https://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/fud/5487032507.html |
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Fixer |
Megaf, it is not backups, it is winsxs system usually |
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Fixer |
what time is it? it is compile time. soon |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Jeija -> minetest/minetest: Resend blocks when modified while sending to client 089f9bb https://git.io/vacWK (2016-03-12T23:59:44+01:00) |
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Fixer |
COMPILE TIME |
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everamzah |
oh, i have to have a recent client even if strict_protocol_version_checking is false? hrmm |
23:47 |
everamzah |
COMPILE TIME |
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