Time Nick Message 00:04 Hijiri I've patched the thing and deleted that player's orders 00:14 Fixer how exactly you patched it? 00:29 rubenwardy what mod is that, Hijiri 00:48 turd Can anyone tell me how to keep inventory when a player dies on a server? Do I just delete /mods/bones? 00:49 sofar disable bones, yes 00:49 turd ok thanks 00:50 Fixer maike? 01:01 Hijiri rubenwardy: global_exchange 01:02 redblade hi 01:02 redblade i'm having some issues with my new server 01:02 redblade i shut down the one running on the same vps 01:03 redblade lag is <1 memory is fine 01:03 redblade but people are timing out anyway 01:03 redblade can someone come over and take a look please? 01:03 redblade i'm not having any problems but everyone else is 01:03 redblade creative gardens 01:04 redblade server memory use i mean 01:04 redblade not using swap at all 01:05 redblade i'm really getting tired of this 01:05 redblade i've done everything i can 01:05 redblade people still time out 01:05 redblade upgraded my vps plan 01:05 redblade started a new server without technic, experimental mapgen, and others 01:06 redblade can as many people as possible join, walk around and do something, and let me know what the problem is? 01:07 redblade what's weird is that the lag is <1 now with the other server gone 01:07 redblade but people are still timing out 01:15 Fixer unfortunately it is too late for me, going to sleep, but maybe someone will help, try asking help in 10 hours or so 01:18 redblade ok 01:19 redblade anyone here can join i just want to know what's the cause because i have no problems and i got the lag and memory use down 01:20 Tuxfuk ip? 01:21 dzho and domain name? 01:21 Tuxfuk yep 01:26 redblade bbl 01:26 redblade "the creative gardens" 01:26 redblade 45.33.65.68:30000 01:26 redblade i gotta go bbl tell me here for when i get back 01:27 redblade lag currently 0.1 01:31 Tuxfuk what's the problem? 01:31 Tuxfuk spawn gets laggy as fuck 01:34 rubenwardy If you have a lot of interactive things, then you could be subject to the meta data problem 01:34 rubenwardy where meta data is excessively resent 01:34 rubenwardy interactive things such as mesecons or technic 01:40 redblade back 01:40 redblade there's mesecons 01:40 redblade how is it laggy at spawn regardless of what it tells me? 01:40 Tuxfuk i'm at your house 01:40 rubenwardy By lag do you mean low latency or low fps? 01:41 Tuxfuk fps 01:41 rubenwardy sorry, high latency 01:41 Tuxfuk in the 20s 01:41 rubenwardy What version of Minetest does your client and your server use 01:41 redblade i got 0.5 01:41 redblade here in the hotel 01:41 redblade 0.4.13 01:41 redblade dev 01:41 Tuxfuk my client is 0.4.1 01:41 Tuxfuk compiled grom source 01:42 rubenwardy there is no 0.5 client. And I'd discourage using 0.4.1 XD 01:42 rubenwardy if that wasn't a typo 01:42 Tuxfuk why? 01:42 rubenwardy The latest dev has quite a few improvements 01:42 Tuxfuk it's already been update? 01:42 XeonSquared how do I load mods on a dedicated server? 01:42 rubenwardy It's old and won't work with many servers 01:42 Tuxfuk ah 01:43 rubenwardy XeonSquared, world.mt in the wolrd folder 01:43 rubenwardy load_mod_ = true 01:43 Tuxfuk i dont recall if i compiled from github or portage 01:43 Tuxfuk i'll go ahead and update 01:43 XeonSquared rubenwardy: ohok, thanks :D 01:43 Tuxfuk thanks for the pointer. also, can we increase the max framerate? 01:44 rubenwardy max_fps = 0 will unlimit the framerate 01:44 rubenwardy in minetest.conf 01:44 rubenwardy or fps_max 01:44 Tuxfuk sweet thanks 01:44 rubenwardy not sure 01:47 Tuxfuk is it necessary to restart minetest after modifying that? 01:48 rubenwardy yes 01:49 Tuxfuk thanks 01:52 Tuxfuk hmmm 01:52 Tuxfuk neither of those worked 01:53 rubenwardy it's fps_max 01:54 rubenwardy it may not be in 0.4.1, if you haven't updated yet 01:54 Tuxfuk oh 01:54 Tuxfuk possibly 01:54 rubenwardy 0.4.1 is like four years old 01:55 Tuxfuk spaces on the sides of =? 01:55 Tuxfuk seriously? lol 01:55 rubenwardy spaces are not needed 01:55 Tuxfuk lol yeah i installed it via portage 01:55 Tuxfuk witheut unmasking all of the new ones 01:58 Tuxfuk see you guys later 02:02 XeonSquared Can't decide whether the server machine is overpowered or Minetest is just a light server 02:02 XeonSquared Sitting happily at 1% CPU 02:04 XeonSquared http://lain.shadowkat.science/~izaya/img/asakura-htop.png 02:08 rubenwardy how many players though? 03:32 redblade hi est you there? 03:35 est31 yes 03:35 est31 whats the issue 03:35 est31 hello 03:36 redblade hi 03:37 redblade having issues with users on my new server timing out, despite the fact that server memory is good, i shut down the other server on the vps, lag is <1, etc 03:37 redblade I asked Tuxfuk and he said it was slow for him even though the lag was <1 03:37 redblade could you please head over there and check it out for me? 03:38 redblade i'm not logged on, have to go soon 03:38 redblade just let me know here 03:38 redblade "the creative gardens" 03:38 redblade 45.33.65.68:30000 03:40 est31 well idk 03:41 est31 lag can have multiple reasons 03:41 est31 most times its the mods 03:41 redblade it's like every user, and yesterday someone complained about "processing errors" 03:42 redblade when i set up this server, i didn't add the mods that were crashing on the old server, like technic and mg 03:42 redblade so i thought it would be good 03:42 redblade but there seems to be more timeouts than quits which is not a good sign 03:42 redblade but you're not having any problems? 03:43 redblade inventory lite is a lot less pages 03:44 redblade i dont have a chance to ask everyone if they're mobile or not because they timeout within a minute 03:44 redblade and the guy yesterday had a 4 GB refurbished desktop he said 03:45 redblade with win7 04:08 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: Documentation: Auto-update conf.example and settings_translation_file.cpp 1320312fd https://git.io/vanqB (152016-03-12T04:03:43Z) 04:49 redblade back 05:31 everamzah https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14186 <-- SuperPick behold its power! 12:12 everamzah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIZ-GmnkqQE (compared to maptools when used on a node with on_punch defined) 12:23 sfan5 !title 12:23 MinetestBot sfan5: SuperPick Comparison - YouTube 13:34 Fixer Warning: Windows 7 computers are being reported as automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade without permission. (self.technology) 13:34 Fixer lol 13:39 XeonSquared sometimes I'm really glad that Windows Update is broken on the Windows 7 boxen I have 13:57 Megaf !server Megaf 13:57 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/6, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.13-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms 14:04 sfan5 !server players:most 14:04 MinetestBot sfan5: just test | 87.110.8.195 | Clients: 31/78, 21/33 | Version: 0.4.12-dev / minetest | Ping: 37ms 14:08 Megaf just test runs a server version even older than mine 14:09 Megaf I wonder if it still maintained? 14:09 Megaf sfan5, how to check the servers uptime with !server? 14:09 Megaf !server uptime:most 14:09 MinetestBot Megaf: No results 14:09 Megaf !server uptime:larger 14:09 MinetestBot Megaf: No results 14:10 * Megaf opens up https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md 14:10 Megaf no uptime 14:14 sfan5 no uptimec 14:14 sfan5 correct 14:20 Megaf So I just applied for a job, and this is the application pages banner. http://www.arvatofinance.com/uploads/tx_templavoila/arvato_career.jpg 14:21 Megaf I think I might need a slightly larger aeroplane 14:22 Krock I wonder what the guys will do in 2099 when a new version of C(++) is released 16:13 Calinou which libre, self-hostable password manager would you recommend? 16:13 Calinou needs to be able to sync across devices 16:14 Calinou and cross-platform client, with Android support ideally 16:33 nm0i I used to use keepass (on android) + kpcli (*nix/windows side) + syncthing for passfile syncing. 17:05 MinetestBot 02[git] 04ShadowNinja -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix chat console not opening after formspec opened over it 138c951ca https://git.io/vanAU (152016-03-12T12:01:40-05:00) 17:33 kaadmy on the new liberty land server i got the "WARNING: Invalid Listener" problem 17:34 kaadmy and since then i can't connect, it just initializes nodes and does nothing with only the sky and clouds and finally times out after a few minutes 18:19 Fixer interesting.png 18:19 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sofar -> 03minetest/minetest: Allow nodes to specify which sides to connect to. 1337b4f0d https://git.io/vacej (152016-03-12T12:08:17-05:00) 18:19 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sofar -> 03minetest/minetest: Nodebox: Allow nodeboxes to "connect" 13e737b1c https://git.io/vacve (152016-03-12T12:08:17-05:00) 18:19 Fixer kaadmy, client version? 18:19 Megaf 2016-03-12 17:45:56: [Server] chocolate [2.102.131.245] joins game. 18:19 Megaf Dat IP 18:19 Megaf and Dat Taste 18:19 Fixer nice ip 18:21 Fixer kaadmy, connected fine, no errors, latest git week old with few PRs included 18:23 kaadmy Fixer: only after i the the invalid listener problem 18:23 kaadmy worked fine before that 18:24 Yst I don't get it. What's so special about that IP address? 18:25 Megaf nerd stuff 18:25 Megaf you no nerd 18:25 sofar random numbers whooo 18:36 Yst Megaf: Each number is greater than the one before it. Is that it? 18:36 Yst sofar: Ha ha. 18:36 Megaf Yst, that too 18:37 sfan5 well the thing i would find remarkable about that ip is the small first octet 18:37 Megaf but in my opinion the nicest thing about that IP is that the first number is single digit 18:37 sfan5 dont see those often 18:37 Megaf ^ :) 18:37 Yst Ah, I see. 18:37 Megaf So, it is an awesome IP indeed 18:37 Yst I wonder why not. 18:37 sfan5 because of allocations 18:38 sfan5 lost of first-small-octet spaces were allocated in the beginning 18:38 sfan5 and are used by companies 18:38 sfan5 not DSL subscribers 18:38 sfan5 s/lost/lots/ 18:38 Megaf TalkTalk Telecom Plus Dynamic Range 18:38 Yst That explains why Google has at least a couple short IP addresses. 18:38 sfan5 not really 18:39 Megaf TalkTalk Communications Limited 18:39 sfan5 iirc they are "borrowing" 8.8.8.8 from level3 18:39 Megaf That's who owns that IP 18:39 Yst Ah, I see. 18:39 Megaf I rather use 208.67.222.222 208.67.220.220 :D 18:39 sfan5 !py __import__("os").popen("whois 8.0.0.0").read() 18:39 MinetestBot '' 18:39 Megaf 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 is for the weak 18:40 sfan5 !py __import__("os").popen("echo '8.0.0.0' | nc whois.ripe.net 43").read() 18:40 MinetestBot '% This is the RIPE Database query service.\n% The objects are in RPSL format.\n%\n% The RIPE Database is subject to Terms and Conditions.\n% See http://www.ripe.net/db/support/db-terms-conditions.pdf\n\n% Note: this output has been filtered.\n% To receive output for a database update, use the "-B" flag.\n\n% Information related to \'8.0.0.0 - 8.255.255.255\'\n\n% No abuse contact registered for 8.0.0.0 - 8.255.255.255\n\ 18:40 Megaf sfan5, Level 3 Communications, Inc. (LVLT) 18:40 sfan5 !py ' '.join(e if e[0] != '%' else "" for e in __import__("os").popen("echo '8.0.0.0' | nc whois.ripe.net 43").read().split("\n")) 18:40 MinetestBot IndexError: string index out of range (file "/home/sfan5/mtbot/modules/admin.py", line 78, in py) 18:40 Megaf you are correct, Goggle is "borrowing" the IP 18:41 sfan5 !py ' '.join(e if len(e) > 0 and e[0] != '%' else "" for e in __import__("os").popen("echo '8.0.0.0' | nc whois.ripe.net 43").read().split("\n")) 18:41 MinetestBot ' inetnum: 8.0.0.0 - 8.255.255.255 netname: NON-RIPE-NCC-MANAGED-ADDRESS-BLOCK descr: IPv4 address block not managed by the RIPE NCC remarks: ------------------------------------------------------ remarks: remarks: You can find the whois server to query, or the remarks: IANA registry to query on this web page: remarks: http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-sp 18:41 Megaf Parent: LVLT-ORG-8-8 (NET-8-0-0-0-1) 18:41 Megaf NetType: Reallocated 18:41 Yst Megaf: Do those IP addresses actually lead to the same place as the short ones? 18:41 sfan5 maybe i should just open a terminal 18:41 sfan5 Yst: no they dont 18:41 Megaf Yst, 208.67.222.222 208.67.220.220 is the BEST and SAFEST DNS server in the planet 18:41 sfan5 i prefer my isps dns 18:41 Megaf theres a whole community arround it 18:41 sfan5 better latency 18:42 Megaf !google OpenDNS 18:42 Megaf !g OpenDNS 18:42 MinetestBot Megaf: https://www.opendns.com/ 18:42 Megaf !title 18:42 MinetestBot Megaf: Cloud Delivered Enterprise Security by OpenDNS 18:42 Megaf There 18:42 Megaf Organization: OpenDNS, LLC (OPEND-2) 18:42 Megaf NetType: Direct Assignment 18:42 Yst My ISP removes NXDOMAIN responses and replaces them with records pointing to their own ad server. I'd rather not use my ISP's DNS servers. 18:42 Megaf and their IP actually belongs to them 18:43 sfan5 % ping -6Ac 8 2003:180:2:2000::53|tail -1 18:43 sfan5 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 11.589/26.909/62.298/21.259 ms, ipg/ewma 200.696/22.915 ms 18:43 sfan5 most likely way better then opendns 18:43 Megaf 208.67.222.222 18:44 Megaf rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 51.219/66.685/89.510/12.463 ms 18:44 Yst Megaf: WHat makes OpenDNS better, aside from not being run by the evil Google corporation? 18:44 Megaf 8.8.8.8 18:44 Megaf rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 40.729/64.343/80.085/13.457 ms 18:44 sfan5 Yst: you can most likely get that disabled by your isp 18:44 sfan5 Megaf: your isps dns will be much closer than any other dns 18:45 sfan5 % ping -Ac 8 208.67.222.222|tail -1 18:45 sfan5 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 98.725/102.344/116.284/5.691 ms, ipg/ewma 200.563/102.332 ms 18:45 sfan5 horrible ping 18:45 Megaf Yst, control, you can actually control everything related to your internet if you create and account with OpenDNS 18:45 sfan5 i would never use opends 18:45 sfan5 +n 18:45 Yst I'm not the account holder. But I do control the router, so I set that to point to my own DNS server and set my DNS server to ask Google's DNS server. 18:45 Megaf but I use them because I found them the quickest to update DNS records 18:45 sfan5 umm 18:45 Megaf sfan5, latency is high here because 3G 18:45 sfan5 that depends on the TTL 18:45 Megaf 3G > Wifi There > laptop 18:45 Yst Megaf: Control how? 18:45 Megaf tether 18:45 sfan5 Megaf: your ISPs server i still going to be closer 18:46 sfan5 Yst: why add the additonal dns server? 18:46 sfan5 your router most likely already runs one 18:46 Megaf sfan5, often I just use my own DNS server... 18:46 Megaf it gets stuff from the master and caches here 18:46 Megaf bind, named, that is 18:47 Megaf s/master/root 18:47 Yst sfan5: So I can intercept requests to the "test." TLD. IANA alocated the "test." TLD for that purpose. 18:47 sfan5 my router also runs a caching dns server 18:47 sfan5 Yst: 1) why? 2) your router should be able to do that 18:47 * Megaf will run tests 18:48 Yst For example, when I need to send files to someone on my network for example, I can put the files at . I didn't see an option to do that in the router, but I'll look again. 18:48 sfan5 can't be bothered to type adresses? 18:49 Yst Also, I've been learning how to set up reverse DNS using the "10.in-addr.arpa." name space. 18:49 sfan5 openwrt does that automatically for me Â¯\_(ãƒ„)_/Â¯ 18:49 Yst I host multiple sites locally with different servers. Each needs a name., 18:49 Yst Yeah, well, any router that can run OpenWRT is better than my router. 18:49 sfan5 % host raspberry.lan|head -1;host 192.168.2.101 18:49 sfan5 raspberry.lan has address 192.168.2.101 18:49 sfan5 101.2.168.192.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer raspberry.lan. 18:50 sofar I have a full on server as router 18:50 Yst If I had a full OS on my router, I'd force all TCP trafic through Tor. It'd be wonderful. 18:50 Megaf by the way, if you could help me with this windows issue I will be glad 18:51 sofar even hosts things like my bouncer, httpd, sql, openvpn, several game servers 18:51 Megaf we have this Samsung laptop, the HD was formated and we would like to reinstall Windows on it, since we have it's original Key. Question is, where can I get a windows installer for it? I'm almost sure it came with Windows 7 Pro OEM. 18:51 Megaf I was thinking about getting the ISO from Torrent, but the chance of it having crap bundled is big, so, any suggestions 18:52 sfan5 Yst: it would be horrible 18:52 Yst Sorry, I have no idea where to get Windows installation media. Maybe the OEM would help? 18:52 sfan5 constant captchas 18:52 sfan5 man in the middle 18:52 Yst sfan5: I already deal with that as my Web browser is set to use TOr. 18:52 sfan5 no udp 18:52 Yst Like I said, I'd have it do it only to TCP, not UDP. 18:52 sfan5 online banking will most likely not work 18:52 Yst So Minetest would still be playable over UDP. 18:53 sfan5 what do you accomplish then? 18:53 Yst I've used online banking over Tor for years. 18:53 Yst I'd make sure that there were no leaks. 18:53 sfan5 i doubt my bank would be fine with me using online banking over tor 18:53 sfan5 you can't 18:53 Yst I'd also not have to set all my applications to use Tor because my router would do it for me. 18:53 sfan5 if you leave udp enabled a program can just send some udp pkts somewhere 18:53 Megaf minetest.net. 297 IN A 89.188.9.43 18:53 Megaf ;; Query time: 2 msec 18:53 Megaf ;; SERVER: 192.168.43.1#53(192.168.43.1) 18:54 sfan5 also you can't connect to freenode over tor 18:54 Yst I'm connected to freenode over Tor right now. 18:54 Megaf minetest.net. 300 IN A 89.188.9.43 18:54 Megaf ;; Query time: 166 msec 18:54 Megaf ;; SERVER: 208.67.222.222#53(208.67.222.222) 18:54 sfan5 ;; Query time: 0 msec 18:54 sfan5 ;; SERVER: 192.168.2.1#53(192.168.2.1) 18:54 Yst It takes hours to connect usually, but it works. 18:54 sfan5 problem Megaf? 18:54 Krock uuh, someone got it working 18:54 Megaf minetest.net. 299 IN A 89.188.9.43 18:54 Megaf ;; Query time: 184 msec 18:54 Megaf ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) 18:54 Fixer Megaf, you can get official Windows 7 iso from microsoft servers, legally 18:55 sfan5 Yst: you are connecting over a PIA vpn 18:55 Megaf Fixer, it asks for key, it will not accept my OEM key 18:55 Megaf ;minetest.net. IN A 18:55 Megaf ;; Query time: 0 msec 18:55 Megaf ;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1) 18:55 Yst sfan5: A PIA VPN that must be running an exit node, as I'm only configured to use Tor. 18:55 Megaf sfan5, ^ 18:55 Krock microsoft.sucks.TEST.127.0.0.1 18:55 Krock ;; Query time: -1 msec 18:55 Krock ;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#80(127.0.0.1) 18:55 sfan5 Megaf: just download windows loader and stop worrying? 18:56 Krock what's up with all that text? 18:56 Krock pastebni broken? 18:56 sfan5 Megaf: yeah but my router is as fast as your localhost :D 18:56 Krock *pastebin 18:56 Megaf sfan5, lol 18:56 sfan5 Yst: it's 18:56 Megaf sfan5, now, windows loader? What's that? 18:56 sfan5 Yst: what you're doing is hoping that someone runs an exit node with an ip whitelisted on fn 18:56 sfan5 which is not a guarantee 18:57 sfan5 Megaf: tl;dr crack for windows 18:57 Yst I didn't know that they were whitelisted, I figured freenode had failed to blacklist them. 18:57 sfan5 nah PIA is whitelisted 18:57 sfan5 they also sponsor some freenode servers 18:57 Fixer Megaf, https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows7 18:57 Yst But yeah, no guarantee. It takes hours to cycle to a node that isn't blocked. 18:58 Megaf " Fixer, it asks for key, it will not accept my OEM key" 18:58 sfan5 you call that acceptable? 18:58 Yst Ah, they sponsor servers. Good to know. 18:58 sfan5 i couldn't work with that kind of "internet" 18:58 Megaf Fixer, if you can get me a key that works just to download that I will be glad, you can send me via IM here 18:59 Megaf interest so much faster with local DNS server 18:59 sfan5 Megaf: why are you insisting on doing it the legal way 18:59 Yst sfan5: No, I don't call freenode acceptable, but certain communities are here and don't feel like moving to a friendlier network. I can either deal with freenode's garbage or I can kiss this community (and a couple others) goodbye. 18:59 sfan5 also your router also has a dns 18:59 Fixer Megaf, what edition? 19:00 Megaf Fixer, I think it doesnt matter on the website, does it? Its 7 Professional anyways 19:00 sfan5 Yst: actually you used to use to be able to connect over an onion service 19:00 Fixer Megaf, 64 bit? 19:00 Yst sfan5: I know, right? I wish that that was back. 19:00 Megaf sfan5, to be 100% sure there will be no crap on it, I mean, not more than windows already is 19:00 Megaf Fixer, Yes please 19:00 sfan5 Megaf: just find a trustworthy torrent 19:00 sfan5 waay easier 19:01 Yst Although, you still needed to find a whitelisted node in order to register an account, as you couldn't use the onion addresses without already having an accoult with NickServ. 19:01 sfan5 also if you want a german ISO for home premium i can give you an original one 19:01 Megaf tried, millions of torrents for windows xp and 10 19:01 sfan5 >win 10 19:01 sfan5 wat 19:01 sfan5 you can download win10 from ms 19:01 Fixer Megaf, https://archive.org/download/digital_river/x17-59186.iso 19:01 sfan5 without a product key 19:01 Megaf I know, I want Windows 7 Pro 64 bit En 19:01 sfan5 i'm aware 19:01 Megaf Fixer, what's that? 19:01 sfan5 but you shouldn't be having problems getting windows 10 19:02 Fixer Megaf, mirror of official microsoft ISO 19:02 Megaf sfan5, I have windows 10 already, in a flash drive 19:02 Megaf I want 7 19:02 Megaf I mean, my ex girlfriend wants 7 19:02 Megaf because I made her want 7 19:02 Megaf well, not the point now 19:03 Calinou this "Windows 7 is the best" trend has to stop 19:03 sfan5 but it's true 19:03 Calinou I don't want to have to support it in 2025 or so, as a software developer 19:03 Calinou (when it'll beâ€¦ 16 years old) 19:04 Fixer it is best 19:04 Megaf Calinou, I think is a piece of shite, but better than 10. The problem is, 10 will be sending crap and info over the interwebs all the time 19:04 Megaf eating our data plan 19:04 Fixer people are tired of endless and mindless updating 19:04 Megaf and invanding privacy 19:04 Calinou there's many techniques to limit data leaks 19:04 Calinou but it's Windowsâ€¦ even 7 phones home on boot 19:04 sfan5 that's not the point 19:05 sfan5 the point is that it does that by default 19:05 Calinou Windows 7 also phones home by default 19:05 sfan5 just because you can disable it doesn't mean that it'S good 19:05 Yst If people are concerned about privacy, they shouldn't be using Windows in my opinion. 19:05 Calinou it is just less known 19:05 sfan5 i'm aware 19:05 Fixer their move to metro down everyones throat started it all 19:05 sfan5 windows 10 phones home with way more data 19:05 Megaf even if you disable everything on 10 it will still sends lots of stuff, eating your data 19:05 Fixer their don't care about users but about profits, it is not my problem if their profits are low 19:06 Megaf Yst, I agree, but the problem is, my ex is an architect, and he needs a software, very expensive one, that only works on Windows 19:06 sfan5 what is the problem even 19:06 sfan5 you got a link to an iso 19:06 Yst It's sad to be trapped. 19:07 Fixer from official distributor, it was taken down but mirror is available at webarchive 19:07 Megaf sfan5, I'm downloading it 19:07 Megaf thanks Fixer, downloading 19:07 Megaf about 50 minutes to finish 19:07 Calinou uni forces everyone to use Windows or OS X here 19:07 Fixer Calinou, long support is actually cool, running 20 year old games is impressive, i like that 19:08 Calinou an OS â‰ a random program 19:08 Calinou supporting Windows XP, for example, requires you to use quite arcane APIs in many areas 19:08 Calinou Blender is dropping Windows XP support 19:09 Fixer again, microsoft has problem with profits, forces mindless OS redesigns down my throat, I'm perfectly fine with 7, it works well 19:09 kaadmy Calinou: yay 19:09 Fixer at least do good backward compatibility 19:09 sfan5 >windows xp 19:09 sfan5 is outdated 19:09 sfan5 windows 7 is not 19:09 Calinou not yet 19:09 Calinou but in 2025? 19:10 sfan5 maybe more 19:10 Calinou (Windows 10 will be EOL in 2025, normally) 19:10 sfan5 but the difference between xp and 7 will be bigger than 7 and 10 19:10 sfan5 s/will/is definitely/ 19:10 Fixer i see no point in updating when OS is been dumbed down 19:10 Fixer and software 19:10 Calinou Windows 10 is not really dumbed down in comparison to 7 19:11 Calinou it has a start menu, it has a desktop, it has a file explorer 19:11 Calinou the Windows 8/8.1 era is over :) 19:11 Fixer I use some outdated versions of software because of usual reasons: bullshit down my throat, stupid hipster-UI and feature removal, same with OS 19:11 Fixer or even malware included 19:11 Calinou you don't particularly deserve support when doing t hat 19:12 Fixer Calinou, over? lol, it is win 7 era really 19:12 Calinou this issue reminds me a lot of the few people who insist on using Opera 12.10 :p 19:12 Fixer it was last good opera, yes 19:12 Fixer and they remade it into piece of shit 19:12 Fixer another mindless clone 19:12 Fixer of chrome 19:13 Yst Ew, Chrome. 19:14 Fixer nice browser turned into piece of shit, nice work opera 19:14 Calinou http://chromium.woolyss.com/ :) 19:14 Fixer and first release does not even have a bookmarks, Carl! 19:14 Fixer f-ing bookmarks 19:15 Fixer you don't need bookmarks, because you are brainless idiot, deal with it 19:17 Fixer looking forward to steam machines 19:17 kaadmy someone should tell the people that set up the mods on liberty land that trapdoors are uncraftable 19:18 Fixer kaadmy, >>>>> Out`Of`Control 19:19 kaadmy ok 19:20 Fixer btw, mozilla is going on slippery road too 19:20 Fixer if not worse 19:20 Fixer with that firefox os debucle and stuff 19:20 Calinou we need a true community-based browser 19:20 Calinou based on WebKit, Gecko, Electron, whateverâ€¦ 19:21 Calinou it has not been made yet 19:21 Fixer Calinou, links2 :trollface: 19:22 Calinou it'd be nice if that community browser had privacy built-in, possibly ad blocking 19:23 Yst That would be great. All current Web browsers that I know about suck. 19:23 Fixer Calinou, btw, 1 year ago on small enterprise I know, there was Win98SE workstation with usual Office + specialised software, it was moved to newer refurbished PC after hardware failure 19:23 Fixer it was not connected to a network 19:24 Fixer still, perfectly usable, and iirc usb was available 19:24 Krock good old systems where newer virus are incompatible 19:25 Fixer and some places use DOS 19:26 Fixer looking at that dumbing down of OS/software a lot of people with each year will refuse to upgrade endlessly without big reason, there is no point, and it will get a ransomware virus anyway 19:27 Fixer it is the user that matters 20:12 Megaf based on WebKit, Gecko, Electron, whateverâ€¦ 20:12 Megaf Otter? 20:12 Megaf Otter doesnt care about the rendering engine you use 20:12 Megaf and it is just as nerd/geek as the good ol Opera < 12.x 20:18 Calinou is it cross-platform? works on Android? 20:18 Calinou does it support most HTML5 features? 20:18 Megaf Yes, not yet, yes 20:19 Calinou there was Breach but it died off :| 20:19 Megaf https://otter-browser.org/ https://github.com/OtterBrowser/otter-browser 20:19 Calinou the developer tried to switch to Electron, then we stopped hearing from it 20:20 Megaf https://github.com/OtterBrowser/otter-browser/blob/master/TODO 20:20 Calinou they use SourceForge :| 20:20 Megaf Otter is just as great as Opera used to, with Torrent client and email client 20:20 Megaf Calinou, I just put here their Github ;) 20:21 sofar https://youtu.be/blrurijucN4 20:22 kaeza o/ 20:22 Calinou torrent client integrated into browser is a great idea 20:22 Megaf and also, they have an IRC channel and the founder of the project is here. /whois Emdek 20:22 Calinou this is what I liked the most in old Opera 20:22 Megaf Otter even support the good old great Opera skins for heavens sake! 20:22 Calinou does Otter support heavy web apps? WebGL? 20:23 Megaf It is desgined to be web rendering engine agnostic 20:23 kaeza sofar, nice 20:23 Megaf so if you want webkit you can use it, gecko, ok 20:23 Megaf whatever you want 20:23 Calinou no support for WebGL kind of kills it for me :| hence me requesting something based on Blink or Electron 20:23 Calinou (if that's the case) 20:23 Megaf at the moment it uses WebKit and supports what WebKit does 20:23 Megaf Calinou, https://github.com/OtterBrowser/otter-browser/blob/master/TODO 20:25 Megaf Calinou, also #Otter-Browser 20:26 Megaf the are very friendly and helpful, and you can talk to the main developer there very easily 20:26 Calinou they seriously need a website redesign though :P 20:26 Megaf so there you have it, modern, community driven web browser with terrible web pasge 20:26 Megaf page* 20:29 sfan5 !title https://youtu.be/blrurijucN4 20:29 MinetestBot sfan5: Minetest Moving Heads - sideways movement with playeranim mod - YouTube 20:42 Tuxfuk hey guys 20:43 Tux[Qyou] hi 20:43 Tux[Qyou] fuk yourself 20:44 Tuxfuk ah 20:44 Tuxfuk another linux buddy 20:44 Tux[Qyou] :V 20:44 Tuxfuk hello Tu 20:44 Tuxfuk Tux[Qyou]: 20:44 Tux[Qyou] hi Tuxfuk 20:45 Sokomine has a good editor for creating .mts files come up in the meantime? one that can make use of the probabilities and display their effect? 20:45 Tuxfuk what distro are you running? 20:45 Tux[Qyou] i'm not 20:45 Tux[Qyou] rip 20:45 Tuxfuk bro- 20:45 Tuxfuk join us with Gentoo and load up i3 20:46 Tuxfuk Tux[Qyou]: http://imgur.com/o7owrW6 this is my current setup 20:46 Tux[Qyou] Greeting fellow gentleman. Do you have a while to talk about Linux? 20:46 Tuxfuk s/gentleman/Gentooman 20:46 Tuxfuk oh 20:46 Tuxfuk wrong bot 20:47 Tux[Qyou] rip 20:47 Tuxfuk join us lol 20:47 Tux[Qyou] join the disease 20:47 Tuxfuk D; 20:47 sfan5 i see someone is not using arch 20:48 Tuxfuk compiling for the win 20:48 sfan5 i would prefer not compiling chromium, thx 20:48 Tuxfuk best part: 40+ chrome tabs open-only 3.4 gb of ram used 20:49 Tuxfuk it was a pain :( took the whole night 20:50 nm0i "3.4 gb of ram" versus "i just want to read some stuff" 20:50 Tuxfuk lol 20:50 Tux[Qyou] i usually have opened 80 tabs 20:51 sfan5 i usually have 2-5 tabs open 20:51 Tuxfuk lol sfan5 20:51 sfan5 (no, not 25) 20:51 Tuxfuk 2-5 20:51 nm0i over 100, but i have addon that unloads tabs after 7 days from memory. 20:52 Tuxfuk nm0i: that's kind of cool. Do you know what it's called? 20:52 Tux[Qyou] -3 tabs? 20:52 sfan5 yes 20:52 nm0i Not on chrome, sorry. 20:52 nm0i Unload tabs 20:57 Tuxfuk ah darn. I assume firefox, then? 20:57 Tuxfuk i wish firefox had a nice looking UI 20:58 Sokomine i wish there would be a usable mobile browser :/ 20:58 Sokomine and, on the desktop, mt alone has more than 100 opened tabs 20:58 Tuxfuk Sokomine: i wish there was Chromium on the play store 20:59 Tuxfuk i dont want to set it up so that I con compile it from home 21:05 Sokomine not sure if chromium can be turned into something useful. minimum requirements for me would be strict whitelisting for javascript, requesting content from other sites, and (due to expensive traffic) no loading of images by default. and, of course, strict whitelists for cookies 21:06 sfan5 i'm pretty sure you can do that with extensions 21:06 Megaf Opera could do that 21:06 Megaf per site settings 21:06 Sokomine that umatrix plugin for firefox looks promising. just couldn't find it for the mobile version 21:07 Out`Of`Control Sokomine: i use lightning works fine 21:07 Megaf on chrome you do settings per site 21:07 Megaf I mean, on chrome you go to settings > cookies and change sites 21:07 Megaf on Opera you just open a settings for that specific site and change anything you want 21:07 Megaf Opera < 12.x 21:07 Megaf It is just beautiful the amount of control it gave to you 21:08 Out`Of`Control i got it from f-droid no play store here 21:08 Sokomine < 12? so newer versions are less good? 21:08 Sokomine ooc: same here :-) 21:08 Megaf newer versions are based on Chromium 21:09 Sokomine ah 21:09 Megaf https://megafs.wordpress.com/2013/05/29/opera-15-and-a-good-and-lightweight-alternative-to-it/ 21:09 Megaf !title 21:09 MinetestBot Megaf: Opera 15 and a good and lightweight alternative to it | Megaf Info 21:09 Megaf an article I wrote when Opera switched 21:10 Megaf "article" 21:10 Megaf more like, lots of screenshots comparing Opera 21:10 Dragonop sfan5, take, http://i.imgur.com/RY8FEjc.jpg 21:10 sfan5 !cat 21:10 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/yFmko1j.jpg 21:11 Megaf and dont worry if you dont understand the text, I dont either and it was written by me 21:11 Dragonop Thanks :3 21:23 Calinou for those wanting it, I've uploaded my copy of a Kenney donation pack from 2014 to GitHub (I got it from GitHub too, but the uploader deleted their repository): https://github.com/Calinou/kenney 21:29 Megaf What's that? 21:30 Calinou a CC0 asset pack, made for 2D games mostly 21:30 Calinou also contains fonts, and sounds 21:33 germanuel24 I'm trying to use a new chat command that temporarily bans the player for 6 hours... registering works as expected and i see help message and so on but when i execute it with an existing player i get "bad argument #1 to 'write' (string expected, got function)" http://pastebin.com/WdwhBrVY 21:35 kaeza germanuel24, os.time is a function. you need to CALL that function 21:35 kaeza line 16 in your paste 21:36 germanuel24 How do i call it so it writes timestamp to file? 21:36 germanuel24 Oh i forgot ()? 21:37 kaeza yep 21:37 kaeza this isn't BASIC :P 21:37 germanuel24 Thanks xD and when i compare the timestamps can i do "if os.time()-21600 <= ots then" 21:38 germanuel24 ots is the file's timestamp 21:38 kaeza also, just in case: https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-xban2 21:39 kaeza yep 21:39 germanuel24 Okay thanks again 21:40 kaeza uh, actually, os.time()+21600 21:43 germanuel24 init.lua:9: attempt to compare number with string 21:43 kahrl germanuel24: btw, I think your code will break when the server is on windows and the client has an ipv6 address 21:43 kahrl : isn't an allowed characters in filenames in windows 21:43 kahrl character* 21:44 germanuel24 Server is Ubuntu 21:44 kahrl ah, I thought it was for a mod to be published 21:45 germanuel24 No just a little command for my server^^ How to convert string to time? 21:45 germanuel24 Or number 21:46 kaeza tonumber? 21:46 kaeza !pil germanuel24 21:46 MinetestBot germanuel24, Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/ 21:47 kaeza MinetestBot <3 21:48 germanuel24 How can i do a newline in return message? 21:48 germanuel24 \n ? 21:50 germanuel24 Or the better question is the return syntax lua or c++? 21:50 everamzah that is answered in this section of Programming in Lua: http://www.lua.org/pil/2.4.html 21:50 everamzah that is a much better question 21:50 * everamzah scratches head 21:51 germanuel24 So it's all lua 22:06 Megaf Fixer, Are you there? 22:08 Fixer yes 22:08 Megaf that ISO, it didnt ask for a key, not yet at least 22:08 Megaf installation is not complete yet tho 22:08 Fixer key is stored in your bios 22:08 Fixer iirc 22:08 Megaf I'm installing it in VirtualBox first to test it 22:09 Megaf well, it's been so long since I installed Windows 7 for the last time... 22:09 Megaf maybe it will ask soon 22:11 Megaf du -hs Windows\ 7\ Professional.vdi 22:11 Megaf 7.2G Windows 7 Professional.vdi 22:11 Megaf I've never fully understood why the basic windows install size is so large 22:11 Megaf it doesn't bundle almost any software, no language packs, no updates 22:15 MinetestBot 02[git] 04kaeza -> 03minetest/minetest: Add options for screenshot format and quality 132c72f6d https://git.io/vacZH (152016-03-12T17:12:43-05:00) 22:17 Megaf $ du -m Windows\ 7\ Professional.vdi 22:17 Megaf 11462 Windows 7 Professional.vdi 22:17 Megaf It still growing in "Completing Installation" 22:17 Megaf How can windows users use windows!? 22:19 Megaf That must be swap tho 22:23 Fixer Megaf, windows 7 folder with recent updates is pretty fat: 32 gb 22:23 Fixer yes, 32gb 22:26 Megaf that if you dont remove it's backups 22:28 Tuxfuk yo guys, do you think that this would be a nice chair for college? https://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/fud/5487032507.html 22:38 Fixer Megaf, it is not backups, it is winsxs system usually 23:01 Fixer what time is it? it is compile time. soon 23:09 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Jeija -> 03minetest/minetest: Resend blocks when modified while sending to client 13089f9bb https://git.io/vacWK (152016-03-12T23:59:44+01:00) 23:11 Fixer COMPILE TIME 23:47 everamzah oh, i have to have a recent client even if strict_protocol_version_checking is false? hrmm 23:47 everamzah COMPILE TIME