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JohnnyComeL8ly |
How dost this crowd fare? |
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Animetrom |
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Hello, Animetrom. |
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How are you? |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Barely alive... no not really. |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
I'm well. |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
:D |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Guys, I'm sure some are aware of this, but I want to make sure it is known. |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
http://pastie.org/10521270 |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
And, like est31 had said to me... it isn't his fault! |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
That is just the same error I get when compiling (regular) MT. |
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Hijiri |
how expensive is a LuaEntitySAO that just accelerates toward some targe |
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Hijiri |
would it be fine to have a hundred of them floating around |
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[git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Silence 'unused typedef' warning for STATIC_ASSERT() 6ba4f37 http://git.io/vliXE (2015-11-03T01:03:33-05:00) |
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reborn |
Hi guys um.. how would i set up a public minetest server?? |
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reborn |
Hi Megaf how would i set up a public minetest server?? |
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gregorycu |
What platform rehttp://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Setting_up_a_server |
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gregorycu |
http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Setting_up_a_server |
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reborn |
Thanks |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Sandwich Day! 😃 |
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est31 |
nom nom |
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JadenGamerDog |
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MinetestBot |
[git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Only go fast in autorun if fast move is enabled 1550ab3 http://git.io/vlM2B (2015-11-03T15:40:47+01:00) |
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ADFENO |
Hi, is there a wiki templete that can be used to keep track of translated documentation of the development wiki? |
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ADFENO |
Or, does the development wiki recognizes subpages as translations and tells the visitor of the existance of such pages? |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
What is the (max) size of the avatars on the MT forum? |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Nvm... I found out. |
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ADFENO |
Wow ! :D |
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JBB |
I cant login in the minetest forum anymore! |
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JBB |
can someone help meẞ |
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JBB |
? |
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JBB |
I cant login in the minetest forum anymore! |
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VanessaE |
works fine for me |
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* Krock |
can't login too.. just logout |
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Ingar |
login works fine here |
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JBB |
i cant reset my passwort |
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JBB |
and it says my passwort is wrong |
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JBB |
but i think its right |
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JBB |
and if i rest there comes no email |
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Ingar |
wrong account? |
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CraigyDavi |
JBB, check your spam folder for the email. it might be in there |
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MinetestBot |
[git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Time: Remove serverside getter, and use atomic operations f9b0936 http://git.io/vly5L (2015-11-03T19:07:45+01:00) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Atomic: cleanup and add more operations abc354a http://git.io/vly5t (2015-11-03T19:07:39+01:00) |
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Teckla |
CraigyDavi: Is your server back up and running again? :) |
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CraigyDavi |
Yes it is! |
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Teckla |
CraigyDavi: Thanks \o/ |
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Krock |
!tell est31 http://i.imgur.com/MjNtdju.png |
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MinetestBot |
Krock: I'll pass that on when est31 is around |
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Krock |
<3 MinetestBot |
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MinetestBot |
<3 Krock |
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Krock |
MinetestBot! |
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MinetestBot |
Krock! |
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Krock |
Y U not tell? |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
lol |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Krock, it looks like you are missing libncursesw5-dev |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
. |
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Krock |
that's a download from some mirror page.. newest binaries from 20151101 |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
And you are on Windos... that doesn't make anything easier. |
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Krock |
U don't say? |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
I did say, actually. ;-) |
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Krock |
The only libraries I didn't get running yet are levedb, postgresql and now it seems like ncurses doens't like me too |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
ncursesw is needed. |
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AndDT |
didn't use windows for a long time |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Hey, guys, I just discovered this... it is really cool, imo. |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
https://boards.openpandora.org/pyramain/main/ |
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zat |
http://9gag.com/gag/aDmqyOZ |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
AndDT: Good for you! :-D |
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AndDT |
Yep. Slackware one love |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
zat: rofl |
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zat |
kik |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
kik? |
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AndDT |
http://uk.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kik |
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Krock |
zat, what a lovely cat :) |
| 18:55 |
zat |
Common typo for the abbreviated online chat room expression lol which means "laugh out loud". |
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Krock |
kek |
| 18:55 |
zat |
my keyboard is Dvorak though, but I am used to say kik on purpose. lol |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Zat was confusing.... |
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zat |
can also mean kick in Krock |
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zat |
kik in krotch** sorry |
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Krock |
krotch? scotch? |
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zat |
no no, I meant krotch |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
*crotch.... |
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Calinou |
Fedora 23 is out. |
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Calinou |
also: http://www.adriancourreges.com/blog/2015/11/02/gta-v-graphics-study/ |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Calinou: isn't that non-libre? |
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zat |
kik = kik in krotch |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
krotch isn't a word is all I was saying. |
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Calinou |
JohnnyComeL8ly, it isn't |
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Calinou |
but not by much |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
So, you just linked to it for the info? |
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Calinou |
Fedora or GTA V? |
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Calinou |
the GTA V thing is about the graphics study, not the game itself |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Ok, that's cool. |
| 19:17 |
Calinou |
I'm in a team that helps redesign Godot 3D, so that article will be pretty interesting |
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Calinou |
http://godotengine.org/projects/godot-engine |
| 19:17 |
Calinou |
next year we should get some new 3D engine |
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_occl_cul_per_bl |
Sokomine: you here? |
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_occl_cul_per_bl |
i think cottages and Calinous moreblocks are not compatible |
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Calinou |
in which sense? recipe conflicts? |
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_occl_cul_per_bl |
can't craft table with dat wooden slab |
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_occl_cul_per_bl |
cottage table, yeah, needs wooden plank |
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zat |
I would so buy GTA V were it available for Linux. |
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zat |
For now I'll just pass. |
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_occl_cul_per_bl |
i've tried stick + 8/16 wooden slab, no help |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Calinou: I was under the impression that FSF doesn't like the MIT license. (Which to me would make it not libre... by definition) |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
I'm at the point where I don't really know whether OSI or FSF is the way to go.... |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
I really like the Ideals from FSF and that is about all that is different from OSI. |
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est31 |
you can't put software licensed under the GPL onto the apple platform |
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zat |
omfg |
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Ingar |
est31: afaik not in the app store |
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Ingar |
it runs fine though |
| 19:37 |
est31 |
yea I've meant that |
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est31 |
app store |
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est31 |
basically the walled garden they've built |
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est31 |
hrmm walled garden is wrong term, app store is most precise one I can think of |
| 19:38 |
zat |
lmao |
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Ingar |
open source vs free software is largely a philosphical thing |
| 19:38 |
zat |
I think M$ did something similar |
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Obani |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3311 close ? |
| 19:39 |
est31 |
yeah, I guess I'll close it |
| 19:43 |
zat |
they banned open source, citing many misconceptions about security. |
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dzho |
GPL is copyleft |
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dzho |
MIT is not |
| 19:45 |
dzho |
but both MIT and GPL are free software licenses |
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dzho |
you can put MIT licensed stuff in the app store, as far as I understand it. |
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Ingar |
I'm mostly in the copyleft camp |
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* Teckla |
prefers non-viral licenses ;) |
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dzho |
copyleft doesn't infect other code |
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* dzho |
sees the wink, reconsiders |
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Calinou |
JohnnyComeL8ly, the MIT license is libre |
| 20:00 |
Calinou |
and GPL-compatible |
| 20:00 |
Calinou |
most FSF-approved licenses are also approved by the OSI, and vice versa |
| 20:00 |
Calinou |
a notable exception is CC0 |
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Calinou |
(because it has an explicit denial of patent grant) |
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dzho |
Calinou: wait, which way does CC0 go? FSF endorses it, but OSI doesn't? |
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* dzho |
finds links |
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Hijiri |
I asked this question a while ago, but maybe the chat's more active now |
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Hijiri |
How expensive are LuaEntitySAOs? |
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Hijiri |
would it be trivial cost to spawn a hundered with simple logic |
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Calinou |
dzho, yes |
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Calinou |
I think CC0 is great, but not "socially accepted" on code |
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Calinou |
only on culture |
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Calinou |
or documentation |
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Calinou |
so better use MIT on code |
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* dzho |
nods |
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nrzkt |
Hijiri, it's a little bit expenseive if you use a big lua on_step |
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_occl_cul_per_bl |
anyone has problem with trees in shadow in 0.4.13? |
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PilzAdam |
_occl_cul_per_bl, problems? |
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_occl_cul_per_bl |
PilzAdam: yeah, on one server, when trees grow, they have broken lightning, so i need to /mapfix them |
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_occl_cul_per_bl |
0.4.13 + mods |
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_occl_cul_per_bl |
not sure if I seen that in SP |
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PilzAdam |
thats probably an engine issue |
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PilzAdam |
I noticed that a few months ago |
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_occl_cul_per_bl |
never seen in SP, but can be reproduced on a Extreme Survival Minetest |
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_occl_cul_per_bl |
got that problem many times already |
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_occl_cul_per_bl |
i remember moretrees shadow bug, but this one looks different |
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_occl_cul_per_bl |
trees were planted at night and growth was at night also |
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_occl_cul_per_bl |
maybe I will test it on krock git version in SP, dunno |
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Hijiri |
nrzkt: I'm intending it to just be accelerating toward some point |
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Hijiri |
actually is there something already in specifically for particle effects? |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Calinou, so CCO is basically a "do what ever with my code" license? |
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nrzkt |
CC is not for code |
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nrzkt |
it's a licence for content |
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Calinou |
JohnnyComeL8ly, yes |
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Calinou |
nrzkt, except CC0. |
| 21:06 |
Calinou |
there is no objection on using CC0 on code - it's not a license, it's a waiver |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
So, you can put Lua scripting under it? |
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_occl_cul_per_bl |
PilzAdam: reproduced again :) |
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Calinou |
JohnnyComeL8ly, yes |
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Calinou |
(better than WTFPL in my opinion) |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Ok. |
| 21:07 |
JohnnyComeL8ly |
Yeah, not to mention what WTFPL contains in there.... ;-) |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Calinou, I've been trying to see what ppl use - what do you use? |
| 21:10 |
JohnnyComeL8ly |
OS wise.... |
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Calinou |
Fedora 22 |
| 21:11 |
Calinou |
soon upgrading to 23 |
| 21:11 |
JohnnyComeL8ly |
Why? |
| 21:11 |
JohnnyComeL8ly |
Use it, I mean. |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Is it more developer friendly? ?:) |
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Calinou |
yes |
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Calinou |
the software in packages is quite up-to-date, it's an innovative distribution |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
As opposed to Debian? |
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Calinou |
yes |
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Calinou |
exactly :P |
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_occl_cul_per_bl |
can affect big area |
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sabino |
Who can helps me with performance? |
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OldCoder |
o/ |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
sabino, what is your question? |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
In what way do you need performance? |
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PilzAdam |
JohnnyComeL8ly, I would like some Christmas performance |
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PilzAdam |
it's always nice to have some performance laying under the tree for the kids |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
What? :-D |
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PilzAdam |
also it would be nice to have free-range performance, not this inhumane industrial stuff |
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PilzAdam |
it always smells weird |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
You aren't making sense... if that is your goal, then you've certainly achieved it! ;-) |
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whtemple1959 |
so I have searched the forums, I have posted to the forum and yet I have found no information on why my server is not reading the conf file. I am suing the proper syntax of --config /creator/.minetest/minstest.conf any advice? |
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whtemple1959 |
sorry I am not suing any one or any thing I am ...using |
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rubenwardy |
is /creator/ a valid root folder? |
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rubenwardy |
If you open a terminal, and type cat /creator/.minetest/minstest.conf what do you see? |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
whtemple1959: ^^ |
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whtemple1959 |
rubenwardy: I get the text of my conf file |
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whtemple1959 |
JohnnyComeL8ly: what does ^^ mean? |
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asl97 |
whtemple1959: how are you starting the server? |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
whtemple1959, I was telling you to look at rubenwardy's questions. |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Which were Up from where I posted. ;-) |
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asl97 |
more specifically, does the user running the process for the server has access to the file (permission)\ |
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whtemple1959 |
asl97: cd /usr/games then ./minetestserver --congfig /home/creator/.minetest/minetest.conf and I assume since 1- the server starts and 2- the conf file is in the home directory then the user has all required permissions |
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PilzAdam |
whtemple1959, start with verbose output then it tells you which config file it loads |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
--congfig could be the problem.... |
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whtemple1959 |
PilzAdam please forgiv my lack of understanding as I am always learning the terms. what do you mean by start with verbose output? |
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whtemple1959 |
JohnnyComeLa8ly: the config worked perfectly when I used it oin a single player game |
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asl97 |
whtemple1959: first you say /creator/.minetest/minstest.conf then now you say /home/creator/.minetest/minetest.conf :| |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Yeah, that isn't gonna work, that's what rubenwardy was pointing out. |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
If user "creator" is launching the server, then you shouldn't need the --config option. |
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whtemple1959 |
asl97: I do apologize for the confusion |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
That is, if the build was made with the flag RUN_IN_PLACE=0 |
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whtemple1959 |
I am chatting with you and bumping to the putty screen on this pc and testing your suggestions on my son's pc so forgive my typo errors but i am using the proper squence |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
I'm sorry if my teasing came across as scorn or something like that. |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Did you do verbose mode like PilzAdam suggested? |
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whtemple1959 |
JohhnyComeLa8ly:I did see that flag in some file let me see if I can track that down |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
My point is that you shouldn't have to specify --config if you are the user creator in the terminal. |
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luizrpgluiz |
I hate it when someone I do not trust want to be admin on my server |
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luizrpgluiz |
:/ |
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whtemple1959 |
JohnnyComeLa8ly: could have ssomething to do with starting ths server through putty rather than from the actual servers terminal? |
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Sokomine |
_occl_cul_per_bl: how can i help you? |
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whtemple1959 |
JohnnyComeL8ly: where is the RUN_IN_PLACE=0 flag located |
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_occl_cul_per_bl |
Sokomine: I'm Fixer, you already answered me :) |
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Sokomine |
_occl_cul_per_bl: ah. an older version of cottages used the slab created by stairs (3 wooden planks -> 6 slabs). since a few days, it uses the moreblocks-slab (4/16) if moreblocks is installed |
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_occl_cul_per_bl |
oh ok, ty |
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Sokomine |
ah, good :-) |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
whtemple1959: that is a build time flag. |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Actually, a cmake flag. |
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luizrpgluiz |
whtemple1959: There is a version of minetest NCurses which was implemented by est31 |
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whtemple1959 |
well there you go I installed using apt |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
So, it looks like -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0 |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
whtemple1959, that shouldn't be the problem. |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
All those should have that flag. |
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whtemple1959 |
JohnnyComeL8ly: the Universe must not want my son and I to play this game with any bells and whistles attached |
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whtemple1959 |
JohnnyComeL8ly: I do not understand half of what i should be doing to make this simple project work like every other server out there |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
I'm sorry, man. I really am, I just don't have enough info about your setup. Use --verbose to start Minetest. |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Then we might get somewhere. |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
whtemple1959, To answer your question about putty, I don't think that is the problem. |
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whtemple1959 |
JohnnyComeL8ly: do you mean ./minetestserver --verbose? |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Yeah. |
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whtemple1959 |
JohnnyComeL8ly: and what should I be looking for? |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
Put it on pastie.org |
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JohnnyComeL8ly |
The output, I mean. |
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whtemple1959 |
JohnnyComeL8ly: I just tried ./minetestserver --verbose > /home/creator/minetestserver.txt which I thought would output to a text file but the text file is blank so how do I get the results to post to postie |
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