Time Nick Message 01:15 JohnnyComeL8ly How dost this crowd fare? 02:05 Animetrom Hi folks 02:05 JohnnyComeL8ly Hello, Animetrom. 02:06 Animetrom How are you? 02:06 JohnnyComeL8ly Barely alive... no not really. 02:06 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm well. 02:07 JohnnyComeL8ly :D 02:53 JohnnyComeL8ly Guys, I'm sure some are aware of this, but I want to make sure it is known. 02:53 JohnnyComeL8ly http://pastie.org/10521270 02:55 JohnnyComeL8ly And, like est31 had said to me... it isn't his fault! 02:55 JohnnyComeL8ly That is just the same error I get when compiling (regular) MT. 03:17 Hijiri how expensive is a LuaEntitySAO that just accelerates toward some targe 03:17 Hijiri would it be fine to have a hundred of them floating around 07:36 MinetestBot 02[git] 04kwolekr -> 03minetest/minetest: Silence 'unused typedef' warning for STATIC_ASSERT() 136ba4f37 http://git.io/vliXE (152015-11-03T01:03:33-05:00) 09:23 reborn Hi guys um.. how would i set up a public minetest server?? 09:30 reborn Hi Megaf how would i set up a public minetest server?? 09:42 gregorycu What platform rehttp://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Setting_up_a_server 09:42 gregorycu http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Setting_up_a_server 10:04 reborn Thanks 10:18 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Sandwich Day! 😃 10:18 est31 nom nom 12:02 JadenGamerDog huh 14:42 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Only go fast in autorun if fast move is enabled 131550ab3 http://git.io/vlM2B (152015-11-03T15:40:47+01:00) 15:23 ADFENO Hi, is there a wiki templete that can be used to keep track of translated documentation of the development wiki? 15:24 ADFENO Or, does the development wiki recognizes subpages as translations and tells the visitor of the existance of such pages? 15:25 JohnnyComeL8ly What is the (max) size of the avatars on the MT forum? 15:29 JohnnyComeL8ly Nvm... I found out. 15:29 ADFENO Wow ! :D 16:38 JBB I cant login in the minetest forum anymore! 16:38 JBB can someone help meẞ 16:38 JBB ? 17:15 JBB I cant login in the minetest forum anymore! 17:16 VanessaE works fine for me 17:20 * Krock can't login too.. just logout 17:28 Ingar login works fine here 17:39 JBB i cant reset my passwort 17:39 JBB and it says my passwort is wrong 17:39 JBB but i think its right 17:40 JBB and if i rest there comes no email 17:43 Ingar wrong account? 17:51 CraigyDavi JBB, check your spam folder for the email. it might be in there 18:08 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Time: Remove serverside getter, and use atomic operations 13f9b0936 http://git.io/vly5L (152015-11-03T19:07:45+01:00) 18:08 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Atomic: cleanup and add more operations 13abc354a http://git.io/vly5t (152015-11-03T19:07:39+01:00) 18:15 Teckla CraigyDavi: Is your server back up and running again? :) 18:16 CraigyDavi Yes it is! 18:22 Teckla CraigyDavi: Thanks \o/ 18:33 Krock !tell est31 http://i.imgur.com/MjNtdju.png 18:33 MinetestBot Krock: I'll pass that on when est31 is around 18:34 Krock <3 MinetestBot 18:34 MinetestBot <3 Krock 18:42 Krock MinetestBot! 18:42 MinetestBot Krock! 18:43 Krock Y U not tell? 18:43 JohnnyComeL8ly lol 18:44 JohnnyComeL8ly Krock, it looks like you are missing libncursesw5-dev 18:44 JohnnyComeL8ly . 18:45 Krock that's a download from some mirror page.. newest binaries from 20151101 18:45 JohnnyComeL8ly And you are on Windos... that doesn't make anything easier. 18:46 Krock U don't say? 18:46 JohnnyComeL8ly I did say, actually. ;-) 18:46 Krock The only libraries I didn't get running yet are levedb, postgresql and now it seems like ncurses doens't like me too 18:47 JohnnyComeL8ly ncursesw is needed. 18:50 AndDT didn't use windows for a long time 18:50 JohnnyComeL8ly Hey, guys, I just discovered this... it is really cool, imo. 18:50 JohnnyComeL8ly https://boards.openpandora.org/pyramain/main/ 18:50 zat http://9gag.com/gag/aDmqyOZ 18:50 JohnnyComeL8ly AndDT: Good for you! :-D 18:51 AndDT Yep. Slackware one love 18:51 JohnnyComeL8ly zat: rofl 18:51 zat kik 18:51 JohnnyComeL8ly kik? 18:53 AndDT http://uk.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kik 18:54 Krock zat, what a lovely cat :) 18:55 zat Common typo for the abbreviated online chat room expression lol which means "laugh out loud". 18:55 Krock kek 18:55 zat my keyboard is Dvorak though, but I am used to say kik on purpose. lol 19:00 JohnnyComeL8ly Zat was confusing.... 19:00 zat can also mean kick in Krock 19:00 zat kik in krotch** sorry 19:00 Krock krotch? scotch? 19:03 zat no no, I meant krotch 19:09 JohnnyComeL8ly *crotch.... 19:12 Calinou Fedora 23 is out. 19:12 Calinou also: http://www.adriancourreges.com/blog/2015/11/02/gta-v-graphics-study/ 19:15 JohnnyComeL8ly Calinou: isn't that non-libre? 19:15 zat kik = kik in krotch 19:16 JohnnyComeL8ly krotch isn't a word is all I was saying. 19:16 Calinou JohnnyComeL8ly, it isn't 19:16 Calinou but not by much 19:16 JohnnyComeL8ly So, you just linked to it for the info? 19:16 Calinou Fedora or GTA V? 19:16 Calinou the GTA V thing is about the graphics study, not the game itself 19:17 JohnnyComeL8ly Ok, that's cool. 19:17 Calinou I'm in a team that helps redesign Godot 3D, so that article will be pretty interesting 19:17 Calinou http://godotengine.org/projects/godot-engine 19:17 Calinou next year we should get some new 3D engine 19:21 _occl_cul_per_bl Sokomine: you here? 19:21 _occl_cul_per_bl i think cottages and Calinous moreblocks are not compatible 19:22 Calinou in which sense? recipe conflicts? 19:22 _occl_cul_per_bl can't craft table with dat wooden slab 19:22 _occl_cul_per_bl cottage table, yeah, needs wooden plank 19:22 zat I would so buy GTA V were it available for Linux. 19:22 zat For now I'll just pass. 19:23 _occl_cul_per_bl i've tried stick + 8/16 wooden slab, no help 19:23 JohnnyComeL8ly Calinou: I was under the impression that FSF doesn't like the MIT license. (Which to me would make it not libre... by definition) 19:25 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm at the point where I don't really know whether OSI or FSF is the way to go.... 19:26 JohnnyComeL8ly I really like the Ideals from FSF and that is about all that is different from OSI. 19:30 est31 you can't put software licensed under the GPL onto the apple platform 19:34 zat omfg 19:35 Ingar est31: afaik not in the app store 19:36 Ingar it runs fine though 19:37 est31 yea I've meant that 19:37 est31 app store 19:37 est31 basically the walled garden they've built 19:38 est31 hrmm walled garden is wrong term, app store is most precise one I can think of 19:38 zat lmao 19:38 Ingar open source vs free software is largely a philosphical thing 19:38 zat I think M$ did something similar 19:38 Obani https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3311 close ? 19:39 est31 yeah, I guess I'll close it 19:43 zat they banned open source, citing many misconceptions about security. 19:45 dzho GPL is copyleft 19:45 dzho MIT is not 19:45 dzho but both MIT and GPL are free software licenses 19:46 dzho you can put MIT licensed stuff in the app store, as far as I understand it. 19:52 Ingar I'm mostly in the copyleft camp 19:55 * Teckla prefers non-viral licenses ;) 19:55 dzho copyleft doesn't infect other code 19:56 * dzho sees the wink, reconsiders 20:00 Calinou JohnnyComeL8ly, the MIT license is libre 20:00 Calinou and GPL-compatible 20:00 Calinou most FSF-approved licenses are also approved by the OSI, and vice versa 20:00 Calinou a notable exception is CC0 20:00 Calinou (because it has an explicit denial of patent grant) 20:22 dzho Calinou: wait, which way does CC0 go? FSF endorses it, but OSI doesn't? 20:23 * dzho finds links 20:31 Hijiri I asked this question a while ago, but maybe the chat's more active now 20:31 Hijiri How expensive are LuaEntitySAOs? 20:31 Hijiri would it be trivial cost to spawn a hundered with simple logic 20:34 Calinou dzho, yes 20:34 Calinou I think CC0 is great, but not "socially accepted" on code 20:34 Calinou only on culture 20:34 Calinou or documentation 20:34 Calinou so better use MIT on code 20:35 * dzho nods 20:37 nrzkt Hijiri, it's a little bit expenseive if you use a big lua on_step 20:41 _occl_cul_per_bl anyone has problem with trees in shadow in 0.4.13? 20:44 PilzAdam _occl_cul_per_bl, problems? 20:57 _occl_cul_per_bl PilzAdam: yeah, on one server, when trees grow, they have broken lightning, so i need to /mapfix them 20:57 _occl_cul_per_bl 0.4.13 + mods 20:57 _occl_cul_per_bl not sure if I seen that in SP 20:57 PilzAdam thats probably an engine issue 20:57 PilzAdam I noticed that a few months ago 20:58 _occl_cul_per_bl never seen in SP, but can be reproduced on a Extreme Survival Minetest 20:58 _occl_cul_per_bl got that problem many times already 20:58 _occl_cul_per_bl i remember moretrees shadow bug, but this one looks different 20:59 _occl_cul_per_bl trees were planted at night and growth was at night also 20:59 _occl_cul_per_bl maybe I will test it on krock git version in SP, dunno 21:02 Hijiri nrzkt: I'm intending it to just be accelerating toward some point 21:02 Hijiri actually is there something already in specifically for particle effects? 21:05 JohnnyComeL8ly Calinou, so CCO is basically a "do what ever with my code" license? 21:06 nrzkt CC is not for code 21:06 nrzkt it's a licence for content 21:06 Calinou JohnnyComeL8ly, yes 21:06 Calinou nrzkt, except CC0. 21:06 Calinou there is no objection on using CC0 on code - it's not a license, it's a waiver 21:07 JohnnyComeL8ly So, you can put Lua scripting under it? 21:07 _occl_cul_per_bl PilzAdam: reproduced again :) 21:07 Calinou JohnnyComeL8ly, yes 21:07 Calinou (better than WTFPL in my opinion) 21:07 JohnnyComeL8ly Ok. 21:07 JohnnyComeL8ly Yeah, not to mention what WTFPL contains in there.... ;-) 21:10 JohnnyComeL8ly Calinou, I've been trying to see what ppl use - what do you use? 21:10 JohnnyComeL8ly OS wise.... 21:11 Calinou Fedora 22 21:11 Calinou soon upgrading to 23 21:11 JohnnyComeL8ly Why? 21:11 JohnnyComeL8ly Use it, I mean. 21:12 JohnnyComeL8ly Is it more developer friendly? ?:) 21:17 Calinou yes 21:17 Calinou the software in packages is quite up-to-date, it's an innovative distribution 21:18 JohnnyComeL8ly As opposed to Debian? 21:25 Calinou yes 21:25 Calinou exactly :P 21:39 _occl_cul_per_bl can affect big area 21:55 sabino Who can helps me with performance? 22:00 OldCoder o/ 22:02 JohnnyComeL8ly sabino, what is your question? 22:03 JohnnyComeL8ly In what way do you need performance? 22:05 PilzAdam JohnnyComeL8ly, I would like some Christmas performance 22:06 PilzAdam it's always nice to have some performance laying under the tree for the kids 22:06 JohnnyComeL8ly What? :-D 22:07 PilzAdam also it would be nice to have free-range performance, not this inhumane industrial stuff 22:07 PilzAdam it always smells weird 22:08 JohnnyComeL8ly You aren't making sense... if that is your goal, then you've certainly achieved it! ;-) 22:33 whtemple1959 so I have searched the forums, I have posted to the forum and yet I have found no information on why my server is not reading the conf file. I am suing the proper syntax of --config /creator/.minetest/minstest.conf any advice? 22:33 whtemple1959 sorry I am not suing any one or any thing I am ...using 22:35 rubenwardy is /creator/ a valid root folder? 22:35 rubenwardy If you open a terminal, and type cat /creator/.minetest/minstest.conf what do you see? 22:42 JohnnyComeL8ly whtemple1959: ^^ 22:48 whtemple1959 rubenwardy: I get the text of my conf file 22:49 whtemple1959 JohnnyComeL8ly: what does ^^ mean? 22:52 asl97 whtemple1959: how are you starting the server? 22:53 JohnnyComeL8ly whtemple1959, I was telling you to look at rubenwardy's questions. 22:54 JohnnyComeL8ly Which were Up from where I posted. ;-) 22:54 asl97 more specifically, does the user running the process for the server has access to the file (permission)\ 22:56 whtemple1959 asl97: cd /usr/games then ./minetestserver --congfig /home/creator/.minetest/minetest.conf and I assume since 1- the server starts and 2- the conf file is in the home directory then the user has all required permissions 22:57 PilzAdam whtemple1959, start with verbose output then it tells you which config file it loads 22:58 JohnnyComeL8ly --congfig could be the problem.... 23:01 whtemple1959 PilzAdam please forgiv my lack of understanding as I am always learning the terms. what do you mean by start with verbose output? 23:02 whtemple1959 JohnnyComeLa8ly: the config worked perfectly when I used it oin a single player game 23:04 asl97 whtemple1959: first you say /creator/.minetest/minstest.conf then now you say /home/creator/.minetest/minetest.conf :| 23:06 JohnnyComeL8ly Yeah, that isn't gonna work, that's what rubenwardy was pointing out. 23:07 JohnnyComeL8ly If user "creator" is launching the server, then you shouldn't need the --config option. 23:07 whtemple1959 asl97: I do apologize for the confusion 23:09 JohnnyComeL8ly That is, if the build was made with the flag RUN_IN_PLACE=0 23:10 whtemple1959 I am chatting with you and bumping to the putty screen on this pc and testing your suggestions on my son's pc so forgive my typo errors but i am using the proper squence 23:11 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm sorry if my teasing came across as scorn or something like that. 23:12 JohnnyComeL8ly Did you do verbose mode like PilzAdam suggested? 23:13 whtemple1959 JohhnyComeLa8ly:I did see that flag in some file let me see if I can track that down 23:14 JohnnyComeL8ly My point is that you shouldn't have to specify --config if you are the user creator in the terminal. 23:20 luizrpgluiz I hate it when someone I do not trust want to be admin on my server 23:21 luizrpgluiz :/ 23:22 whtemple1959 JohnnyComeLa8ly: could have ssomething to do with starting ths server through putty rather than from the actual servers terminal? 23:28 Sokomine _occl_cul_per_bl: how can i help you? 23:28 whtemple1959 JohnnyComeL8ly: where is the RUN_IN_PLACE=0 flag located 23:29 _occl_cul_per_bl Sokomine: I'm Fixer, you already answered me :) 23:29 Sokomine _occl_cul_per_bl: ah. an older version of cottages used the slab created by stairs (3 wooden planks -> 6 slabs). since a few days, it uses the moreblocks-slab (4/16) if moreblocks is installed 23:30 _occl_cul_per_bl oh ok, ty 23:31 Sokomine ah, good :-) 23:32 JohnnyComeL8ly whtemple1959: that is a build time flag. 23:32 JohnnyComeL8ly Actually, a cmake flag. 23:32 luizrpgluiz whtemple1959: There is a version of minetest NCurses which was implemented by est31 23:33 whtemple1959 well there you go I installed using apt 23:33 JohnnyComeL8ly So, it looks like -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0 23:34 JohnnyComeL8ly whtemple1959, that shouldn't be the problem. 23:35 JohnnyComeL8ly All those should have that flag. 23:36 whtemple1959 JohnnyComeL8ly: the Universe must not want my son and I to play this game with any bells and whistles attached 23:37 whtemple1959 JohnnyComeL8ly: I do not understand half of what i should be doing to make this simple project work like every other server out there 23:41 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm sorry, man. I really am, I just don't have enough info about your setup. Use --verbose to start Minetest. 23:41 JohnnyComeL8ly Then we might get somewhere. 23:42 JohnnyComeL8ly whtemple1959, To answer your question about putty, I don't think that is the problem. 23:43 whtemple1959 JohnnyComeL8ly: do you mean ./minetestserver --verbose? 23:44 JohnnyComeL8ly Yeah. 23:46 whtemple1959 JohnnyComeL8ly: and what should I be looking for? 23:48 JohnnyComeL8ly Put it on pastie.org 23:48 JohnnyComeL8ly The output, I mean. 23:53 whtemple1959 JohnnyComeL8ly: I just tried ./minetestserver --verbose > /home/creator/minetestserver.txt which I thought would output to a text file but the text file is blank so how do I get the results to post to postie