| Time |
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| 00:13 |
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| 00:18 |
* Pilcrow |
shakes #minetest to see if anything falls out |
| 00:21 |
* VanessaE |
watches as little pieces fall off |
| 00:21 |
VanessaE |
dude, is that supposed to be loose like that? |
| 00:22 |
Pilcrow |
lol |
| 00:23 |
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* Pilcrow |
wishes there was a minetest.registered_abms() or something, to figure out how many abms are acting on a node... |
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| 00:39 |
VanessaE |
there, see? you shook it so hard Zeno` fell out |
| 00:40 |
VanessaE |
(it just took a while for the vibrations to reach his side of the channel ;) ) |
| 00:41 |
Zeno` |
wahhhhh? |
| 00:41 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 00:41 |
VanessaE |
[04-08 20:22] * Pilcrow shakes #minetest to see if anything falls out |
| 00:41 |
VanessaE |
[04-08 20:24] * VanessaE watches as little pieces fall off |
| 00:41 |
VanessaE |
[04-08 20:24] <VanessaE> dude, is that supposed to be loose like that? |
| 00:42 |
Zeno` |
I was asleep as well :( |
| 00:42 |
Pilcrow |
^ the fall must've knocked him out. :P |
| 00:46 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 00:46 |
Zeno` |
coconuts! |
| 00:47 |
VanessaE |
Albuquerque! |
| 00:47 |
Zeno` |
$ emacs -batch -l dunnet |
| 00:47 |
Zeno` |
bash: emacs: command not found |
| 00:47 |
Zeno` |
:( |
| 00:48 |
Zeno` |
I'm not going to install emacs just to shake the tree and get killed by a coconut |
| 00:48 |
VanessaE |
why do you need an operating system for your operating system anyway? :P |
| 00:48 |
Zeno` |
I don't. I need a vim version of dunnet |
| 00:48 |
Zeno` |
heh |
| 00:49 |
Pilcrow |
Zeno, just type this in bash: ":() { :|:; }; :" ... ok, don't. that'll freeze your computer... :P |
| 00:50 |
Zeno` |
:() { :|:; }; : |
| 00:50 |
Zeno` |
computer seems ok |
| 00:50 |
* jin_xi |
forks |
| 00:50 |
VanessaE |
I thought bash generally handled forkbombs ok these days? |
| 00:52 |
Zeno` |
I shall try it then |
| 00:52 |
VanessaE |
I could be wrong :P |
| 00:52 |
Pilcrow |
VanessaE: not that I know of... but I haven't been dumb enough to try in years... ;P |
| 00:52 |
Zeno` |
computer still works |
| 00:53 |
Zeno` |
bash: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 00:53 |
Zeno` |
Terminated |
| 00:53 |
Zeno` |
I survived! |
| 00:53 |
Pilcrow |
interesting |
| 00:53 |
Zeno` |
see only the brave discover these things |
| 00:54 |
Zeno` |
lol |
| 00:54 |
* Zeno` |
feels tall and mighty now |
| 00:54 |
VanessaE |
Zeno`: why are there tentacles growing out of your power supply |
| 00:54 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 00:54 |
Zeno` |
those are tapeworms |
| 00:54 |
* Zeno` |
pushes them back inside |
| 00:54 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 00:55 |
Pilcrow |
VanessaE: I've seen enough hentai to... wait... ... O_o |
| 00:55 |
Zeno` |
I wonder how well bash handles the c version of da fork bomb |
| 00:55 |
VanessaE |
and is your screen supposed to be slowly cycling colors like that, outside your screensaver? |
| 00:55 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 00:55 |
Zeno` |
yeah, I've already ordered a new monitor |
| 00:55 |
Zeno` |
how did you know? |
| 00:56 |
Pilcrow |
spycams |
| 00:56 |
Zeno` |
2560x1440 goodness |
| 00:56 |
VanessaE |
hehe |
| 00:56 |
Zeno` |
I had to buy it to test, umm, minetests dpi handling? |
| 00:57 |
Pilcrow |
totally valid justification, Zeno` :P |
| 00:57 |
Zeno` |
I thought so :D |
| 00:57 |
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| 00:58 |
* Pilcrow |
has never had a monitor that supports more than 1366x768 |
| 01:00 |
sofar |
Pilcrow: https://github.com/sofar/crops |
| 01:00 |
sofar |
Pilcrow: also https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=11795 |
| 01:01 |
jin_xi |
btw VanessaE could you please confirm the bug with particle spawners? fix is ready. https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2605 |
| 01:02 |
Pilcrow |
ah, awesome, sofar. I'll be sure to check it out! :) |
| 01:02 |
sofar |
Pilcrow: working on a new mesh model for corn right now |
| 01:02 |
sofar |
might be the second crop I add |
| 01:03 |
sofar |
I'm not so sure about pumpkins yet... they are not directly edible |
| 01:03 |
sofar |
maybe I'll add squash instead |
| 01:03 |
VanessaE |
jin_xi: I can confirm that bug, yes. |
| 01:03 |
Pilcrow |
ooh, corn. I'm assuming that will be multi-node, like cactus and papyrus? |
| 01:03 |
VanessaE |
lemme try your patch... |
| 01:03 |
sofar |
2-node structures |
| 01:04 |
sofar |
corn -> corn plant -> grows 2-4 ears of corn -> corn (craft) -> popcorn (cook) |
| 01:04 |
Zeno` |
my fork bomb sucks |
| 01:04 |
sofar |
maybe I'll leave the ears of corn out, seems an excessive step that's not needed |
| 01:04 |
Zeno` |
int main(void) { pid_t t = fork(); if (t == -1) perror("Error"); else printf("%d\n", t); for (;;); } |
| 01:05 |
Zeno` |
it's not even a firecracker |
| 01:05 |
sofar |
Pilcrow: also, corn will automatically wither and the plant will die if left unharvested |
| 01:05 |
Pilcrow |
lol Zeno`, it didn't work? |
| 01:05 |
Sokomine |
the wheat in the default minetest game is strange. that's why i added the "machines" in my cottages mod |
| 01:05 |
Sokomine |
sofar: that's not very practical |
| 01:05 |
sofar |
so corn forces you to weed your land |
| 01:05 |
Zeno` |
well it does spawn two processes |
| 01:06 |
sofar |
Sokomine: it'll wither very, very slowly if left with corn ears, but fast after harvesting the ears |
| 01:06 |
sofar |
it'll be a decent balance |
| 01:06 |
sofar |
the idea is to make it a good crop for people who tend to their plants a lot |
| 01:07 |
sofar |
but make it less useful if you stick to your mines forever |
| 01:07 |
Sokomine |
even those will not be there all the time, and others will pass by the fields.... |
| 01:07 |
sofar |
yup, intentional. Like I said corn plants with cobs on them won't wither very fast |
| 01:07 |
VanessaE |
seems to work fine, jin_xi |
| 01:08 |
Sokomine |
sofar: ah, ok |
| 01:08 |
jin_xi |
yes i think its correct. just adds particles to update queue, which seems to have been forgotten |
| 01:08 |
sofar |
Sokomine: feel free to suggest other crops you may think work well in the game |
| 01:08 |
jin_xi |
well, if you can make a note on the github i'd be ever so grateful so hopefully someone can review and commit |
| 01:09 |
sofar |
I'm looking for suggestions |
| 01:09 |
VanessaE |
done. |
| 01:09 |
Pilcrow |
personally, I'd love to see crops that work similarly to Harvest Moon ones. been thinking about making that mod, myself. maybe with a special node for selling crops and buying seeds, as well... :3 |
| 01:10 |
jin_xi |
thanks VanessaE |
| 01:11 |
sofar |
Pilcrow: which mod is that? |
| 01:12 |
Pilcrow |
sofar: it's not a mod, yet. I'm saying I'd like crops that work similar to the Harvest Moon game series. I'm thinking about programming a mod like that. |
| 01:13 |
Zeno` |
VanessaE will help you, Pilcrow |
| 01:13 |
sofar |
ohh okay. any references around to see for me so I can figure out what you mean? |
| 01:13 |
Zeno` |
Get her to do all the hard stuff (like the millions of item defs etc) |
| 01:13 |
VanessaE |
... |
| 01:13 |
Zeno` |
:3 |
| 01:15 |
Pilcrow |
lol Zeno. I'd probably set up a loop for registering the different growth stages. maybe even turn it into an api? :) |
| 01:17 |
Zeno` |
oh gosh |
| 01:18 |
Zeno` |
loops are overused; I prefer spirals |
| 01:18 |
Pilcrow |
sofar: I'm watching something with my sister and can't look for references yet, but specifically for corn, I was thinking a stalk you can take the corn off of, then water the plant and it will make more corn in a few days, without having to re-plant the corn. the first crop takes longer to show up. |
| 01:19 |
Pilcrow |
Zeno`: ok, I'll program a trapezoid. how's that? :P |
| 01:19 |
Zeno` |
I will write a program now |
| 01:19 |
Pilcrow |
? |
| 01:19 |
Zeno` |
using the new methodology I have devised |
| 01:19 |
Zeno` |
just thought of it then |
| 01:21 |
Pilcrow |
Zeno`: lol. I love it when coming up with something goofy actually inspires an interesting idea... that actually happens to me a lot... :P |
| 01:25 |
Pilcrow |
say, wasn't there an old 'seasons' mod at one point? I don't think it works any more, but I think I recall seeing something like that long ago... |
| 01:27 |
Sokomine |
anyway...new plants are always welcome |
| 01:30 |
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| 01:30 |
* Pilcrow |
wants to turn minetest into Harvest Moon meets Zelda meets Minecraft... :P |
| 01:30 |
exio4 |
hi weird people |
| 01:30 |
sethj |
Anyone know what happened to the landrush server? |
| 01:30 |
Pilcrow |
hello other weird person! |
| 01:31 |
exio4 |
aww, hi Pilcrow! |
| 01:31 |
Pilcrow |
sorry sethj, I've got no idea... :\ |
| 01:32 |
sethj |
It seems to have died :( |
| 01:32 |
Zeno` |
I dunno if it will catch on |
| 01:32 |
Zeno` |
it's pretty... stupid |
| 01:32 |
Pilcrow |
lol |
| 01:32 |
Pilcrow |
how stupid? :P |
| 01:32 |
Zeno` |
very :( |
| 01:32 |
Zeno` |
I thought it would be amazing |
| 01:32 |
Zeno` |
but alas, no |
| 01:33 |
Pilcrow |
aww. why does it not work well? |
| 01:33 |
Zeno` |
well, it works |
| 01:34 |
Zeno` |
maybe I need to write a python wrapper to generate code |
| 01:34 |
est31 |
wut?? |
| 01:34 |
exio4 |
>python |
| 01:34 |
exio4 |
>2015 |
| 01:34 |
* Pilcrow |
is confused by whatever Zeno` is trying to do... :P |
| 01:34 |
Zeno` |
https://ideone.com/oQxCvO |
| 01:35 |
est31 |
preprocessor does that kinda stuff |
| 01:35 |
Zeno` |
pfft |
| 01:35 |
Zeno` |
stringification? |
| 01:35 |
Zeno` |
I suppose it does |
| 01:35 |
est31 |
? |
| 01:36 |
Zeno` |
nah it doesn't I don't think |
| 01:36 |
Zeno` |
no for the function name part... does it? |
| 01:36 |
Zeno` |
not for* |
| 01:36 |
Zeno` |
I could have each function call another function! |
| 01:37 |
Zeno` |
another random function! |
| 01:37 |
Zeno` |
this'll be great |
| 01:38 |
Pilcrow |
lol. I think Zeno` has gon insane... :D |
| 01:38 |
est31 |
wuts your goal |
| 01:39 |
Zeno` |
do I need a goal? |
| 01:39 |
Zeno` |
is that why I always go wrong? Not having a goal? :( |
| 01:40 |
Pilcrow |
VanessaE: I think you're right; I shook Zeno` too hard earlier... :P |
| 01:40 |
est31 |
lol |
| 01:40 |
est31 |
yea seems so |
| 01:43 |
Pilcrow |
Zeno`: maybe you should just make a function that calls itself, with a random parameter? :P |
| 01:43 |
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| 01:43 |
exio4 |
function that call themselves? |
| 01:43 |
exio4 |
I like it |
| 01:45 |
Zeno` |
hmm, I need a terminating condition |
| 01:45 |
Zeno` |
Pilcrow, recursion... well this can result in recursion |
| 01:45 |
Zeno` |
which is why I need the terminating condition |
| 01:45 |
est31 |
you have one already |
| 01:45 |
est31 |
the size of your stack :p |
| 01:46 |
exio4 |
he may go with a tail-recursive function |
| 01:46 |
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| 01:46 |
exio4 |
and then it gets optimized |
| 01:46 |
exio4 |
bam! constant space => no terminating condition |
| 01:46 |
est31 |
then turn optimisations off |
| 01:47 |
est31 |
most times they only draw your attention at them |
| 01:47 |
est31 |
and introduce bugs like this one |
| 01:47 |
exio4 |
... that is not a bug? |
| 01:47 |
exio4 |
it's TCO, a known optimization |
| 01:47 |
Zeno` |
finished! |
| 01:47 |
est31 |
When a programmer writes a self calling function, they might want to use the stack for terminating |
| 01:48 |
Zeno` |
tail recursion optimisation would still end in an infinite loop |
| 01:48 |
exio4 |
est31: uh? |
| 01:48 |
exio4 |
est31: you know that sounds a lot like xkcd's "Workflow", don't you? |
| 01:49 |
Zeno` |
https://ideone.com/BgJS3v |
| 01:49 |
est31 |
like that one |
| 01:49 |
Zeno` |
look at that baby |
| 01:49 |
est31 |
NOOO |
| 01:49 |
est31 |
it has been copied on my disk |
| 01:49 |
est31 |
I mean RAM |
| 01:49 |
Zeno` |
oh noes :( |
| 01:50 |
Zeno` |
you owe me $10000000 |
| 01:50 |
* est31 |
feels like an infringer |
| 01:50 |
VanessaE |
Sokomine: *poke* |
| 01:50 |
* est31 |
runs away |
| 01:50 |
Zeno` |
est31, I will allow you to have a copy |
| 01:50 |
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| 01:50 |
Zeno` |
just don't sell it |
| 01:51 |
exio4 |
too late |
| 01:51 |
DI3HARD139 |
hiya |
| 01:51 |
Zeno` |
or if you make a nice poem I want to read it |
| 01:51 |
Pilcrow |
Zeno`, this code is nucking futs! :D |
| 01:52 |
Zeno` |
ught there is a BUG |
| 01:52 |
DI3HARD139 |
lol |
| 01:52 |
Zeno` |
https://ideone.com/rwbSXp |
| 01:52 |
Zeno` |
fixed |
| 01:53 |
exio4 |
est31: I don't know how a silly program gives you an excuse to consider TCO a bug |
| 01:53 |
est31 |
That program may be silly, but business applications may depend on that |
| 01:54 |
exio4 |
wth? |
| 01:54 |
est31 |
I mean, you need to be abled to make assumptions |
| 01:54 |
est31 |
about how your code behaves |
| 01:55 |
Pilcrow |
I don't know the reasoning behind parenthesizing n... but I don't really understand this code much anyway; no real knowledge of C... |
| 01:55 |
est31 |
compilers should translate your program into machine code |
| 01:55 |
est31 |
not be smarter than you |
| 01:55 |
Zeno` |
est31, you've seen my leap year program? |
| 01:55 |
est31 |
nope |
| 01:55 |
Zeno` |
oh! |
| 01:55 |
Zeno` |
let me find it |
| 01:56 |
exio4 |
est31: well, I'd like to know how you translate a lazy language which heavily uses closures to machine code and not die while doing that |
| 01:56 |
Zeno` |
https://ideone.com/ygwc9k |
| 01:57 |
Zeno` |
the method is patented by me |
| 01:57 |
exio4 |
I am just saying a compiler's job is to be smarter |
| 01:57 |
Zeno` |
but you can use it |
| 01:57 |
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| 01:57 |
est31 |
exio4, don't use broken patterns in your language design |
| 01:57 |
Zeno` |
it's optimised as well |
| 01:57 |
Zeno` |
doesn't use modulo arithmetic |
| 01:58 |
Zeno` |
'cause divisions are slow |
| 01:58 |
exio4 |
est31: ...? broken patterns? |
| 01:58 |
est31 |
stuff like closures doesnt make things fly |
| 01:58 |
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| 01:58 |
exio4 |
est31: you're the first person I see that calls closures a broken pattern |
| 01:58 |
Zeno` |
Red Bull does |
| 01:59 |
Zeno` |
except it doesn't |
| 01:59 |
Zeno` |
I drank one and jumped off my roof |
| 01:59 |
Zeno` |
almost broke a leg |
| 01:59 |
est31 |
I wont be the last, just wait until people wake up |
| 01:59 |
Der |
Hey guys, does anyone know of anywhere that a world can be hosted for free? I'm wanting to start an element type world (fire, water, air, and earth). |
| 01:59 |
* Zeno` |
adds his isleap() function to minetest/src/utils/numeric.cpp |
| 02:00 |
exio4 |
est31: I'd like to know any 'source' for that? |
| 02:00 |
exio4 |
est31: what's the wrong thing with closures? |
| 02:00 |
Hijiri |
predictions by nostradamus |
| 02:00 |
Zeno` |
Knights of the Lambda Calculus Unite! |
| 02:00 |
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| 02:00 |
Zeno` |
ni |
| 02:00 |
jin_xi |
a shrubbery |
| 02:00 |
exio4 |
they not being "easy to compile" doesn't seem like a cool answer, considering that OOP can be thought as subtyped records of closures |
| 02:00 |
exio4 |
(modulo the shiny parts!) |
| 02:00 |
est31 |
Its damn obvious. you can be turing complete without them, and passing contexts just makes things go wrong |
| 02:01 |
Hijiri |
there is a lot you can be turing complete without |
| 02:01 |
Zeno` |
like SQL |
| 02:01 |
Zeno` |
wait that's not turing complete |
| 02:01 |
exio4 |
SQL isn't turing complete and really useful |
| 02:01 |
exio4 |
Brainfuck is turing complete and useless |
| 02:01 |
est31 |
also, traditional memory management of C is underrated |
| 02:01 |
Hijiri |
and "passing contexts just makes things go wrong" is only a little bit different from the claim that closures are bad |
| 02:01 |
Zeno` |
C doesn't specify memory management |
| 02:02 |
Zeno` |
outside of the standard's scope |
| 02:02 |
est31 |
malloc? |
| 02:02 |
Zeno` |
well, I'm not including malloc and friends (and free) "management" |
| 02:03 |
exio4 |
considering that carrying contexts in an explicit manner is pretty much idiomatic C... |
| 02:03 |
Zeno` |
but malloc etc are all you need |
| 02:04 |
exio4 |
I would argue that the only reason to actually use a garbage collector (or a powerful type system like Rust's) is to be able to use function / closures / etc in a really nice way |
| 02:04 |
* Pilcrow |
wonders if he logged into #minetest-dev by mistake.... :P |
| 02:04 |
exio4 |
I won't deny manual memory management + closures is a bad combination |
| 02:04 |
Zeno` |
Pilcrow, the conversation in there is not nearly as exciting |
| 02:04 |
est31 |
exio4, garbage collection is one of the biggest ills that were introduced |
| 02:04 |
est31 |
ever |
| 02:05 |
exio4 |
I don't think so |
| 02:05 |
Zeno` |
apart from exceptions |
| 02:05 |
exio4 |
garbage collection allow programming languages to evolve |
| 02:05 |
est31 |
Its one of those things where compilers and runtimes try to be smarter than the programmer |
| 02:05 |
est31 |
programming languages shouldnt evolve, programs should |
| 02:05 |
Pilcrow |
heh. this would be more exciting if I understood it, Zeno`... ;) |
| 02:05 |
exio4 |
uh? |
| 02:05 |
exio4 |
you're trolling right? |
| 02:05 |
Hijiri |
and of course, we have established that compilers and runtimes should never try to be smarter than the programmers |
| 02:06 |
est31 |
langs are there to give programs space to evolve |
| 02:06 |
Hijiri |
which is why we can use it to support this argument |
| 02:06 |
est31 |
not the other way round |
| 02:06 |
exio4 |
Hijiri: if all we want is compilers that aren't smarter than programmers, we shouldn't have went past ASM |
| 02:06 |
Hijiri |
maybe we just need to go back to our roots |
| 02:06 |
est31 |
ASM is bad too |
| 02:06 |
exio4 |
lambda calculus? 8) |
| 02:06 |
Zeno` |
asm? that's a bit advanced |
| 02:07 |
Zeno` |
binary baby |
| 02:07 |
Zeno` |
all the way |
| 02:07 |
exio4 |
that's about smart as we can get |
| 02:07 |
Hijiri |
I wire electrodes to my brain and think in just the right way to send the right pulses down the wires |
| 02:07 |
est31 |
exio4, dont overexagerrate |
| 02:07 |
exio4 |
considering that compiling code nowdays means more than naively writing ASM |
| 02:08 |
Zeno` |
poke 53280, 10 |
| 02:08 |
est31 |
also, if you have good compilers that dont try to do the programmers job, you get ASM automatically from C code |
| 02:08 |
est31 |
C is portable ASM isnt |
| 02:08 |
exio4 |
that is a lie |
| 02:08 |
Hijiri |
the purpose of programming languages is to write programs. Programming languages should make it easier to write programs |
| 02:08 |
est31 |
the JVM is tainted |
| 02:09 |
Hijiri |
that could mean it's easier to make correct, more performant, etc., but maybe we should start from that point |
| 02:09 |
est31 |
by gc |
| 02:09 |
Hijiri |
but actually I have to leave |
| 02:09 |
est31 |
bye |
| 02:09 |
exio4 |
\o Hijiri |
| 02:09 |
Hijiri |
bye chat |
| 02:09 |
exio4 |
est31: I _still_ don't get your point |
| 02:09 |
Pilcrow |
bye Hijiri |
| 02:09 |
exio4 |
est31: are you arguing anything that isn't trivial shouldn't be done at all, or..? |
| 02:09 |
Zeno` |
nobody has mentioned "reading" programs yet |
| 02:09 |
Zeno` |
COBOL is far easier to read than C |
| 02:10 |
exio4 |
I wouldn't say that is true |
| 02:10 |
Zeno` |
probably because it has more letters it its acronym |
| 02:10 |
Zeno` |
Grace Hopper obviously thought through it well |
| 02:10 |
exio4 |
est31: now, it is when you say that types are useless, right? |
| 02:11 |
est31 |
types should be strong. |
| 02:11 |
Zeno` |
strong like tarzan |
| 02:11 |
est31 |
or steel |
| 02:11 |
exio4 |
yup, we can all agree that Haskell's type system is really cool |
| 02:11 |
est31 |
thats shit |
| 02:11 |
exio4 |
k |
| 02:11 |
est31 |
like the whole language |
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est31 |
function pointers and exceptions were the two bad things in C |
| 02:12 |
exio4 |
C doesn't have exceptions |
| 02:12 |
exio4 |
but sure |
| 02:12 |
exio4 |
if you say so |
| 02:12 |
est31 |
sorry you are right |
| 02:12 |
est31 |
whatever, they are bad |
| 02:12 |
exio4 |
why would function pointers be bad, too? |
| 02:13 |
exio4 |
you've been saying "that's shit, it sucks" all the way, without giving us any reason of the why, such that it is a real reason, and no the silly "it's harder to compile than a conditional" |
| 02:14 |
exio4 |
which, makes sense, considering that a conditional is a low level primitive, which also suffers from the boolean blindness and blabla |
| 02:14 |
est31 |
function pointers let compiler writers design "optimisations" again |
| 02:14 |
Pilcrow |
let's all go back to BASIC. line numbers and GOTOs are where it's at! *trollface* |
| 02:15 |
exio4 |
that'd be really nice |
| 02:15 |
exio4 |
considering that everything is a jump at the low-level |
| 02:15 |
exio4 |
est31: what? |
| 02:15 |
exio4 |
is it still april fools in your side or what? lol |
| 02:16 |
est31 |
basic should get float typed line numbers, thats unused potential |
| 02:16 |
exio4 |
lol |
| 02:16 |
Pilcrow |
haha |
| 02:16 |
exio4 |
I get it now |
| 02:16 |
exio4 |
you looked serious dude |
| 02:16 |
exio4 |
mfw |
| 02:16 |
est31 |
:D |
| 02:16 |
Chanku |
Alright I have a question |
| 02:16 |
Chanku |
What is the use of Function Pointers? |
| 02:17 |
est31 |
you dont know what they are? |
| 02:17 |
Chanku |
No |
| 02:17 |
Chanku |
Then again my experience with C is basic...and I do mean BASIC |
| 02:18 |
exio4 |
they're basically pointers to functions, which you can then call, they're useful when loading dynamic modules (such that they give you a "function" to something useful (or not)), simulating closures and thus callbacks |
| 02:18 |
exio4 |
they're basically like a whole new world if you don't know about them |
| 02:18 |
exio4 |
Chanku: which languages do you know? |
| 02:19 |
Chanku |
Well Visual Basic, A bit of java, Lua, Python, and C |
| 02:20 |
Chanku |
TBH I'm a bit better versed in Java and Lua than the others |
| 02:20 |
exio4 |
lua! |
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Chanku |
And TBH I learned lua for MineTest :P |
| 02:21 |
Chanku |
Speaking of which I need to rebuild and re-setup my Minetest enviroment |
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Pilcrow |
I probably remember more lua than any other language (except if you count bash scripting), since I'm using it on pretty much a daily basis for minetest mods... although I actually learned lua for MegaGlest, lol. |
| 02:23 |
exio4 |
Chanku: can you guess what this code would print? http://dpaste.com/0N0AGGW |
| 02:23 |
Chanku |
I don't think it would return anything :/ |
| 02:24 |
Chanku |
Although then again I am probably wrong, but it doesn't look like it would return anything... |
| 02:24 |
Pilcrow |
if anything, I'd think it would return 3... |
| 02:24 |
Chanku |
true, but wouldn't you have to put parameters into something and then lfn? |
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est31 |
thats basically function pointers |
| 02:24 |
Chanku |
And okay |
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* Chanku |
waits for MineTest to compile |
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exio4 |
Chanku: what do you mean? something() returns a "function" that then takes two parameters |
| 02:25 |
Chanku |
yes |
| 02:26 |
Chanku |
but you aren't giving any parameters to something() thus parameters are not given to w and/or y |
| 02:26 |
Chanku |
unless I'm missing somethin |
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exio4 |
the core difference between function pointers and real high order functions is that function pointers are really limited and constrained (but way easier to implement, obviously) |
| 02:26 |
Chanku |
*something |
| 02:26 |
Chanku |
which I probably am... |
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exio4 |
Chanku: something()(1,2) |
| 02:26 |
Chanku |
Ah alright |
| 02:27 |
Chanku |
I wasn't sure if the extra ()'s was actually passing parameters or not :/ |
| 02:27 |
exio4 |
something() returns a function, right? so (something()) gives me a function, and I give that function the parameters 1 and 2 |
| 02:27 |
exio4 |
Chanku: I tried to make it look weird! |
| 02:27 |
Chanku |
Well you sure did a good job |
| 02:27 |
Chanku |
:3 |
| 02:30 |
Pilcrow |
I get it. something() returns the actual function lfn, rather than trying to execute that function. then the returned lfn is fed the 1 and 2, so it would output 3... now, if something() returned lfn() instead of just lfn, I assume it would cause errors since lfn would be sent no parameters (and thus, it would try to return nil+nil*nil)... |
| 02:31 |
exio4 |
yeah |
| 02:32 |
VanessaE |
my G*d, I think even I understood that. :) |
| 02:32 |
Johnsen2 |
... |
| 02:32 |
Pilcrow |
btw... does that actually *work* in lua? |
| 02:32 |
Chanku |
^ |
| 02:32 |
est31 |
yes |
| 02:33 |
Johnsen2 |
VanessaE, too much science and smartness going on here aye? |
| 02:33 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 02:33 |
exio4 |
http://dpaste.com/1SXAVEZ |
| 02:33 |
exio4 |
this is pretty much what is shiny and that'd be just as easy to do with function pointers |
| 02:33 |
Pilcrow |
VanessaE: just curiuos, what languages do you know? |
| 02:34 |
exio4 |
VanessaE should learn Haskell for a greater good! |
| 02:34 |
VanessaE |
Pilcrow: I've coded in BASIC, 6502 assembly, a bit of Verilog, Bash, Lua, and a touch of javascript. |
| 02:34 |
VanessaE |
and C/C++ rarely |
| 02:35 |
Etzos |
Learn Lisp before Haskell. It'll make you appreciate Haskell even more. :P |
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* VanessaE |
throws some spare parenthesis at Etzos |
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exio4 |
I am really thinking about going to sleep, too, haven't slept in 20~ hours, and spent over 14 hours at uni \o/ |
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Gay |
or, C#! |
| 02:35 |
VanessaE |
C#? fuck no |
| 02:35 |
Gay |
True microsoft fanboi |
| 02:35 |
est31 |
http://pastie.org/10081603 |
| 02:35 |
Gay |
use C# |
| 02:35 |
VanessaE |
never gonna happen |
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exio4 |
Etzos: Scheme! |
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exio4 |
SICP! |
| 02:35 |
est31 |
you can do things like that |
| 02:36 |
est31 |
generic graph traversal function |
| 02:36 |
est31 |
without much OOP fuss |
| 02:36 |
Gay |
but OOP is love |
| 02:36 |
Gay |
OOP is life |
| 02:36 |
exio4 |
that's actually useful when you play with closures tbh |
| 02:36 |
exio4 |
because then you don't need to carry the context around manually :p |
| 02:37 |
exio4 |
est31: pretty much anything in the modern OOP land is buzzwords with boilerplate and fancy useless design patterns anyway |
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est31 |
lol you understand me |
| 02:38 |
exio4 |
c++ is the new fancy functional language though |
| 02:38 |
exio4 |
with its lambdas, generics, :D |
| 02:39 |
Pilcrow |
exio4: looking at haskell, the thing I don't like about it is the fact that there's no end/endif/etc. that implies that it relies entirely on indentation to figure out where stuff closes? I don't like that; I think all white space (tabs, spaces, newlines) should be treated the same. that's one of the things I absolutely love about lua, tbh... |
| 02:39 |
est31 |
strong typing destroys much |
| 02:39 |
est31 |
I hate the off side rule too |
| 02:39 |
exio4 |
there's a big difference, though |
| 02:39 |
exio4 |
haskell doesn't have what you would call "do two things" in an implicit manner |
| 02:40 |
exio4 |
there are no statements at all, too |
| 02:41 |
est31 |
its all FUNCTIONS |
| 02:41 |
exio4 |
and Haskell's "off side rule" is really really permissive(?) |
| 02:41 |
exio4 |
yeah! |
| 02:41 |
exio4 |
even "sequencing" IO actions is FUNCTIONS! |
| 02:43 |
Pilcrow |
that seems... extremely strange to me |
| 02:43 |
exio4 |
Pilcrow: there is no reason to have an explicit `end` at all when all you can have is a single expression in both sides |
| 02:43 |
exio4 |
and you must have both sides |
| 02:44 |
est31 |
I agree |
| 02:44 |
exio4 |
it'd be pretty much boilerplate |
| 02:44 |
est31 |
Haskell is one of the few places the off side rule is justified |
| 02:44 |
exio4 |
the offside rule in Haskell is _really_ not annoying as you might think, there are things that you would think that don't "get past it" yet they do |
| 02:45 |
exio4 |
because all it wants is "just keep things aligned, if you do weird things in the middle, who cares" |
| 02:45 |
exio4 |
it is not annoying as Python's, where it wants you to have the code aligned the way Guido wanted you to align it |
| 02:47 |
exio4 |
Pilcrow: some example code that abuses a few things just because why not :P |
| 02:47 |
exio4 |
http://lpaste.net/7867648859499921408 |
| 02:47 |
exio4 |
it's really really silly |
| 02:47 |
exio4 |
imagine having an explicit end after those guards (which are 'ifs' on steroids, because you can have more than one condition in them, and they also allow you do fancier things |
| 02:48 |
exio4 |
and, even if it doesn't look like a static typed language, that code is actually type checked |
| 02:48 |
Pilcrow |
I'll say one thing... it's an easy language to read... :) |
| 02:48 |
exio4 |
heh |
| 02:49 |
Pilcrow |
at least, from the examples I've seen, it is. |
| 02:49 |
exio4 |
it really is when you get used to it, tbh |
| 02:49 |
exio4 |
it may look scary, sometimes |
| 02:50 |
exio4 |
if you see ((<$>) &&& (<*>) ^. (=<<)) >>= (.) |
| 02:50 |
exio4 |
(obviously fake code :P) |
| 02:51 |
Pilcrow |
in your example, the "|" looks like it's being used sort of like a "case", as opposed to an "if", if that makes sense... |
| 02:52 |
exio4 |
Pilcrow: yes, '|' defines a guard |
| 02:52 |
exio4 |
a (normal and typical) guardis just a boolean condition, like an if |
| 02:52 |
exio4 |
what makes Haskell really cool is the pattern matching, though |
| 02:52 |
exio4 |
(not like it is something Haskell specific, but it is a thing most mainstream languages lack) |
| 02:53 |
exio4 |
Pilcrow: you should learn some basic Haskell (spend 2~3 playing with the syntax and the "weird shiny things" you may find it to have) |
| 02:54 |
Pilcrow |
just checking, haskell is a compiled language, not an interpreted one, correct? |
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exio4 |
Pilcrow: you can compile it (which is what pretty much we all do for 'real code') but you can interpret it, play with it in a REPL and what not |
| 02:55 |
exio4 |
and most workflows don't really compile the code until the "last stages" |
| 02:56 |
exio4 |
a typical setup is ghci (the REPL) in a console, and the editor next to it, and after saving, reloading the file in the REPL and checking if it typechecks, etc |
| 02:57 |
exio4 |
just so you can see how "weirdly" the code can look and actually pass the "off-side rule", look at http://lpaste.net/2950205326156103680 |
| 02:58 |
exio4 |
it's some old code I had in my ~, it was a compiler for some toy representation or something, I don't remember the specific details of it |
| 02:59 |
exio4 |
a fancy thing, I think most if not all those type signatures are optional |
| 02:59 |
Pilcrow |
^ I see warnings, lol |
| 02:59 |
exio4 |
they're considered good style because they help you to know more about the function without having to look there |
| 02:59 |
exio4 |
yeah, the linter |
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exio4 |
that's my newbie code! don't tell anyone! |
| 03:00 |
Pilcrow |
:P |
| 03:00 |
exio4 |
by the way, look at the if in the line 50 |
| 03:01 |
exio4 |
either "side" has to have a single _expression_, because everything is an expression in Haskell, too |
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Pilcrow |
I assume the "||" is an "or"? |
| 03:02 |
exio4 |
yes :P |
| 03:02 |
est31 |
yes |
| 03:05 |
Pilcrow |
haha ok. it seems strange to me that "then" and "else" are typed out as words, while "or" is not... :P |
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exio4 |
|| is function a function |
| 03:05 |
exio4 |
uh |
| 03:05 |
exio4 |
is just a function |
| 03:05 |
exio4 |
it is defined within the language |
| 03:05 |
exio4 |
True || _ = True |
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exio4 |
_ || x = x |
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exio4 |
well, make it look nice by padding and what not, too :P |
| 03:06 |
exio4 |
you can also use ';'s, too |
| 03:08 |
Pilcrow |
well. I may have to experiment with this. :) |
| 03:08 |
exio4 |
http://dpaste.com/2WMVNZZ this is valid Haskell code |
| 03:09 |
exio4 |
note, that using { ; } makes it ignore the layout rules (offside rules, spaces, whatever you call it) |
| 03:10 |
exio4 |
and, if you thought that'd be fancy, http://dpaste.com/0ER722J take this one! |
| 03:10 |
exio4 |
it's also valid Haskell! |
| 03:10 |
Pilcrow |
what's the difference between putStr and putStrLn? |
| 03:11 |
exio4 |
putStrLn is basically putStr + newline :P |
| 03:11 |
Pilcrow |
ah |
| 03:12 |
exio4 |
you'll find Haskell to be overly weird, because, remember, the code is 'pure'! |
| 03:12 |
exio4 |
there are no variables changing! |
| 03:13 |
exio4 |
we _play_ with code like it actually changed anything, but in reality, it's just calling it the wrong name, because you never have data or variables you had before change, it's really nice |
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exio4 |
(I am talking about the code I pasted which uses a function called "modify" :P) |
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Pilcrow |
so... does that mean you can't do a simple n = n + 1? |
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exio4 |
and, Haskell's purity, lazyness and being expression-based, also gives us 'completely safe' things like if X then F Y else F Z == F (if X then Y else Z) |
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exio4 |
Pilcrow: n = n + 1 doesn't make sense! |
| 03:15 |
exio4 |
give me a number that is equal to itself plus one, and you'll see if it is possible or not |
| 03:15 |
exio4 |
= means equality, not assignment in Haskell |
| 03:17 |
exio4 |
(you can _actually_ have real mutable data in Haskell, but it is really annoying and, if doing naively, is worse than just generating "garbage" |
| 03:17 |
exio4 |
) |
| 03:17 |
exio4 |
GHC's (somewhat the 'de facto' haskell compiler/interpreter) garbage collector is really optimized for extremely short-lived data |
| 03:17 |
exio4 |
so you may find that the garbage collector (if you look at stats), "copied and freed a few terabytes of ram" |
| 03:18 |
exio4 |
even though your program only used 10~mb of constant memory, and the GC only spent a relatively small time doing stuff |
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exio4 |
well, I haven't slept, and I think I already did enough marketing today |
| 03:20 |
exio4 |
good night :P |
| 03:20 |
Pilcrow |
good night, exio4. nice talking with you! :) |
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VanessaE |
bbl |
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Pilcrow |
BasketBall Lounge? :P |
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Pilcrow |
sofar, you still there? is there a way to get melon seeds to begin with, other than /giveme? |
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est31 |
no |
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Etzos |
Doesn't the post say that it doesn't spawn anything into the world yet? |
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est31 |
he has said that mapgen mods should rely on his world |
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ProXavi |
If any of you want I will be doing a recording of MTZ-Basic in a short while |
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est31 |
mod* |
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Pilcrow |
ah, alright. that's fine. I just wondered if I was overlooking something. |
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Pilcrow |
is minetest.after() interrupted by a server restart? as in, if a mod does minetest.after(60, function() blah end), but the server gets closed and re-opened 30 seconds in, will it continue from 30 and execute the function, or just forget about it? |
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sofar |
Pilcrow: I don't want to implement yet-another-partial-mapgen in this mod |
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sofar |
there are enough mapgens out there, and making them being able to detect presence of the crops mod is trivial |
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sofar |
the other way around is impossible to maintain |
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sofar |
I'd have to account for every mapgen variant |
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Pilcrow |
sofar: that's totally understandable. I just wondered if there was something I missed, that's all. |
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Pilcrow |
why does the irc log make me pink? http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2015-04-09 |
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Etzos |
Pilcrow: It looks like your name's digest gives a pink result: https://github.com/moritz/ilbot/blob/master/lib/Ilbot/Frontend/NickColor.pm#L45 |
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Pilcrow |
I don't understand that code, but thanks for the answer anyways, Etzos. it was just idle curiosity, really... :P |
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Etzos |
Pilcrow: I don't understand it much either. Never learned Perl. But based on comments and references, that's what it appears to be doing. |
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Etzos |
Takes the md5 of the nick, separates it into HSV and then turns that into RGB for display. |
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Pilcrow |
sweet, I just programmed a nice little bash script that searches lua files to find strings, and lists all the files that contain the string... http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=zWL68QEH |
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Pilcrow |
to give an example, if I run it in the root of minetest_game, searching for "soil", it returns the following list: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ExzhmSk0 |
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Pilcrow |
hello Girl123 |
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Girl123 |
hey |
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Etzos |
Pilcrow: Why all the find additions? Why not just use plain grep? |
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kahrl_ |
yeah, I think grep -R --include='*.lua' would do the same thing |
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Etzos |
grep -r -l --include="*.lua" '"@"' . |
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Etzos |
Or -R, if you want to follow symbolic links. |
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Pilcrow |
there was a reason I didn't do that... but can't remember what it was. I think I missed the . at the end, so it just kinda sat there doing nothing, lol. |
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kahrl_ |
on my system it defaults to . |
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kahrl_ |
if you used -r or -R and gave no directory |
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Etzos |
Of course, I believe Lua strings can be either " or ' delimited. So... |
| 04:57 |
Etzos |
grep -E "[\"']string to search for[\"']" --include="*.lua" -r -l -I . |
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Pilcrow |
kahrl_: that doesn't work for me. giving it no directory makes it sit there doing nothing, and never exit. |
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kahrl_ |
Pilcrow: ah, that was changed in grep 2.11. http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/grep.git/commit/?id=faf6ea13b3281a2004f5bfd1487708d1ba50a6c5 |
| 05:00 |
Pilcrow |
ah, ok. ancient os, ancient grep. mine's 2.9 |
| 05:02 |
Pilcrow |
but yes, now that I have the directory, that works great. grep -R -l --include="*.lua" "$@" . |
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Pilcrow |
sweet. even better code. I'd had this script for a *long* time, but recently cleaned it up with the code I just posted. it *used* to be http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7gnNWtEY ... hooray for bad code! :P |
| 05:22 |
Etzos |
One does not simply become a script-fu master without writing less good code at some point in time. :P |
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Pilcrow |
heh. honestly, I've scripted a lot. I just don't use grep much... :P |
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Etzos |
To be fair, grep is one of those tools that has just about everything in one. If you don't pour over the man page for it though, you'd never know. |
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Etzos |
*pore over |
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Pilcrow |
^ I thought "pour over" was right... O_o |
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Etzos |
Nope. It's "pore over". |
| 05:37 |
Etzos |
From an older/lesser known meaning of the word "pore" which meant to meditate or study intently. |
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Pilcrow |
interesting. I thought the expression meant you were figuratively pouring your attention into something, as if it were a liquid. |
| 05:38 |
Pilcrow |
*shrugs* ya learn somethin' new every day... :) |
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Pilcrow |
just for fun: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=gthA4dWg |
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Pilcrow |
I'm out. time to sleep. goodnight, guys~ |
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Consortium |
Hi, anybody here? |
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ElectronLibre |
More than 123 people at the moment. |
| 07:23 |
Consortium |
For the future of minetest, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-iDMmTwTCIduEDEil7DWachERj4PSwSbp_zzS6eeH2w/edit |
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Consortium |
ElectronLibre https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-iDMmTwTCIduEDEil7DWachERj4PSwSbp_zzS6eeH2w/edit |
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* ElectronLibre |
hates when he is on tty and someone sends a long URL with a lot of characters. Give him a couple minutes to copy it. |
| 07:25 |
ElectronLibre |
I have to copy it manually just wait two minutes. |
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Consortium |
Sorry |
| 07:27 |
Consortium |
ElectronLibre its free to edit |
| 07:28 |
ElectronLibre |
It's not a problem i'm accustomed to that. |
| 07:28 |
ElectronLibre |
Yes I figured it out with the "/edit/" |
| 07:29 |
ElectronLibre |
A lot of these nodes can be found in mods. For example our redstone is mesecons. |
| 07:30 |
Consortium |
When will minetest expand? |
| 07:30 |
Consortium |
To let the mods become part of its library? |
| 07:31 |
ElectronLibre |
The dyes glass blocks are found in colouredglass (if i remember correctly), the jubebox has its own mod, all redstone things are featured in mesecons/pipeworks, buckets is a mod by default, shears a in plantlife, bow are in throwing mod by echoes91, and about the ender, you actually have a nether mod. |
| 07:31 |
ElectronLibre |
Hmm, as far as I know there is an issue about this, let me find the link (however there are always people arguing because they want and the other one who don't want to add mods). |
| 07:33 |
ElectronLibre |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/432 |
| 07:33 |
Consortium |
The forklifts are industrial |
| 07:33 |
ElectronLibre |
(May I edit the document to include links to mods by the way?) |
| 07:35 |
Consortium |
Not yet |
| 07:35 |
ElectronLibre |
Ok. |
| 07:35 |
Consortium |
It is supposed to compare Minecraft mods with minetest developments |
| 07:36 |
ElectronLibre |
In fact about 90% of what is written in it is done, in mods. |
| 07:38 |
ElectronLibre |
Highlight my nickname when you finished with the list so that I tell you where to find these nodes and which one have not been created anywhere yet. |
| 07:38 |
Consortium |
ElectronLibre: MC has over 1000 mods, i am pretty sure minetest hasen't covered all of them |
| 07:39 |
ElectronLibre |
Yes, but from what you've listed about 90% is already modded. |
| 07:39 |
ElectronLibre |
Or included by default in MinetestGame. |
| 07:39 |
Consortium |
ElectronLibre: so i need you to expand the list |
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ElectronLibre |
The only thing I can do is tell you which mods include what, I'm not good at inventing nodes and I never played MC. |
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Consortium |
ElectronLibre: check the Minecraft forums and look at the run-down |
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ElectronLibre |
No thanks, I have planned to work on a lot of things today.. However I'm sure you can post this list (when you will have removed the already existing ones) somewhere on the forum and get responses. Unfortunately, I'm a bit busy at the moment because I have to prepare tests to confirm a strange behavior in one of the Lua builtin's functions :/ |
| 07:45 |
ElectronLibre |
Or maybe someone else here will be available to take a look at the nodes contained in the 10000 mods of MC, but I'm not sure.. |
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Consortium |
Hello? |
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Consortium |
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-iDMmTwTCIduEDEil7DWachERj4PSwSbp_zzS6eeH2w/edit?usp=sharing |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all; happy Cherish An Antique Day! :-D |
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ElectronLibre |
You make us learn at least one thing every day. |
| 09:05 |
JamesTait |
Just a shame it's not something useful. :-P |
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ElectronLibre |
Yes, it's not like you're gonna say things like this while dinning with friends, and they will start saying "Wow, he knows a lot of things!". |
| 09:07 |
JamesTait |
Occasionally a useful one pops up, but most of them are just nonsense. |
| 09:08 |
JamesTait |
And that's fine with me. It's only a bit of fun. |
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Krock |
Forum mods.. please! The Feature Discussion contains much spam |
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xenkey |
Plenty spa |
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xenkey |
M |
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Krock |
I'm not sure if I should prefer regular spambots or Builder123 |
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Consortium |
JamesTait: hi |
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Consortium |
I am a new comer |
| 09:31 |
Consortium |
I like Minecraft, but hate that the Original developer won't make it GPL after "a few years" |
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JamesTait |
Consortium, o/ |
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Consortium |
Yo, JamesTait |
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JamesTait |
I have feet in two camps, atm. I don't play very often, but when I do I play Minetest. My boys don't mind playing Minetest, but all their friends play Minecraft, so we set up an MCServer server for them. |
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JamesTait |
Apparently someone's working on a FOSS Minecraft client as well, so there's still some hope. :) |
| 09:36 |
Consortium |
JamesTait: mind if you help? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-iDMmTwTCIduEDEil7DWachERj4PSwSbp_zzS6eeH2w/edit |
| 09:39 |
JamesTait |
Wow, that's quite a list! |
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ElectronLibre |
About all of them exist, in mods. |
| 09:40 |
JamesTait |
Some of the things on there are available in mods. |
| 09:40 |
ElectronLibre |
Not some, a lot of them. |
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* JamesTait |
high-fives ElectronLibre |
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Consortium |
It need to expand to cover EVERYTHING in Minecraft mods |
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* Consortium |
hi5 JamesTait and ElectronLibre |
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ElectronLibre |
Can it even be stored on a 1Tb hard-drive? (I know there is a big amount of mods in Minecraft) |
| 09:41 |
Consortium |
But i gonna need help, and ideas too |
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Consortium |
ElectronLibre: 1TB could contain all modern mods, but adding the mods that didn't keep up? ~4TB |
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JamesTait |
Mind if I share this doc with my boys? They'll have a better idea of what they normally expect on a server. |
| 09:42 |
Consortium |
JamesTait: PM me your gmail |
| 09:42 |
Consortium |
Do you have gmail? |
| 09:43 |
JamesTait |
I do, for better or worse (two, in fact - I also have an "apps" account for work). |
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Krock |
Why are you talking about mindkraft in a minetest room? |
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Consortium |
Fork their ass into our territory, to make ourselves more favorable to gamers and kids |
| 09:49 |
Krock |
Copying/porting is not the best way |
| 09:50 |
Consortium |
I know, we need to remake everything, bigger, faster, stronger |
| 09:50 |
rom1504 |
more testier |
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rom1504 |
oh that's actually a word |
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rom1504 |
nevermind |
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Krock |
we know what you mean. |
| 09:53 |
Krock |
Consortium, you can't bring Nothc to your knees, he left Moo-yang IIRC |
| 09:55 |
Consortium |
Krock: Notch promised to Open Source MC, but he sold it instead! His "spirit" is still in Mojang |
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Consortium |
Trying to destroy it with Microsoft... Fat Ass Shall Be Punished |
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| 10:04 |
Consortium |
So... anything interesting? |
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ThatGraemeGuy |
hrm |
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ThatGraemeGuy |
minetest more crash-prone lately? |
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Consortium |
Feeling bored... how many of you heard of GG ? |
| 10:24 |
Krock |
Gorilla Glass? |
| 10:25 |
Krock |
Yes, it seems to be very strong, just not when the phone falls ont he ground. |
| 10:25 |
Krock |
*on the |
| 10:26 |
Consortium |
Krock: no, GamerGate |
| 10:28 |
Consortium |
Krock ? |
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Krock |
stargate, kongregate, .. uhm no, didn't know yet |
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SylvieLorxu |
Krock: Keep it that way |
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SylvieLorxu |
Trust me |
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Krock |
that's an ant. |
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Consortium |
SylvieLorxu: i am neutral, i am not pro-GG |
| 10:29 |
Consortium |
Just keep it that way |
| 10:29 |
SylvieLorxu |
I refuse to join the discussion :P |
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Krock |
!g gamergate wikipedia |
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MinetestBot |
Krock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy |
| 10:29 |
Krock |
no, the ant, please. |
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Consortium |
SylvieLorxu: okay, we will never talk about GG |
| 10:30 |
* Consortium |
keeps her mouth shut |
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Consortium |
SylvieLorxu: so... anything fun? |
| 10:33 |
SylvieLorxu |
Sebkha-Chott will be releasing a new album soon, not sure if that counts as fun |
| 10:33 |
SylvieLorxu |
https://vimeo.com/123887091 |
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Krock |
http://i.imgur.com/SnUON.jpg |
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Consortium |
Minetest is missing something... right? |
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Krock |
The facepalm feature, yes. |
| 10:51 |
Consortium |
Krock why? |
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Krock |
Would be amazing to use while standing in front of a dirt house |
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Krock |
Press F12 and upload it to the 100 other facepalm screenshots :D |
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rubenwardy |
Any recommendations for a VPS service or similar? |
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Krock |
For minetest-server or something else? |
| 10:57 |
rubenwardy |
For running a webserver and possibly a minetest-server |
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CWz |
rubenwardy: deezl uses http://www.nfoservers.com/order-virtual-dedicated-server.php for hosting his servers |
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CWz |
there is also digital ocean |
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Krock |
rubenwardy, maybe seperate the webserver and minetest-server? Maybe there's a minetester who can run a server more on his machine |
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Jordach |
rubenwardy, DO is yer best bet |
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Consortium |
We need a parkour mod, right? |
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Jordach |
not really |
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Consortium |
Becuase Assasin'd Creed and Mirror's Edge has em |
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Jordach |
sneak elevators work better |
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Consortium |
*Assasin's |
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Consortium |
Jordach: WatchDogs? |
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Jordach |
two Ubishit games and a decent looking tech demo |
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CWz |
minetest and minecraft are incapable of true parkour. what the minecrafters refer to as parkour is what most gamers call "platforming" |
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Consortium |
CWz: http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding/minecraft-mods/1274224-smart-moving |
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Krock |
"*forum.net/forum/*" dat lol. |
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Consortium |
Jordach: See the link? |
| 11:10 |
Consortium |
Jordach: Look at this parkour http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding/minecraft-mods/1274224-smart-moving |
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Jordach |
Consortium, i know what it does |
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Jordach |
but not effectively enough |
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Calinou |
parkour would be done with a C++ client mod |
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Calinou |
it's in theory possible |
| 11:10 |
Calinou |
provided you know how Minetest's physics work (hint: they suck) |
| 11:11 |
Calinou |
<Consortium> Krock: Notch promised to Open Source MC |
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Calinou |
he didn't; he promised to release it into the public domain once sales have dropped off |
| 11:11 |
Calinou |
not only sales haven't dropped off entirely today, Microsoft bought Mojang so that claim is moot |
| 11:11 |
Consortium |
>moot |
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Calinou |
rubenwardy, I use PulseHeberg for my server |
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Calinou |
83 €/year for 4 GB RAM, 4 vCore, 200 GB hybrid HDD storage, 100 Mb/s effective bandwidth |
| 11:12 |
Consortium |
Only heretics use the word "Moot" |
| 11:12 |
Consortium |
This isn't 4chan |
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Calinou |
JamesTait> Apparently someone's working on a FOSS Minecraft client as well, so there's still some hope. :) |
| 11:12 |
Consortium |
This is reddit |
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rubenwardy |
heretics to what? |
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Calinou |
there's no free server to go with it, now that CraftBukkit is dead :P |
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Calinou |
the vanilla server is proprietary, which was why CraftBukkit was always illegal in the first place |
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Jordach |
Consortium, u wot m8 |
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Jordach |
>IRC |
| 11:13 |
Jordach |
>turns out IRC is le Reddit |
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Calinou |
Consortium, this is reddit! *posts ponies and “Linux games†for karma* |
| 11:13 |
Consortium |
Jordach: you... you... 8chan? |
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JamesTait |
Calinou, https://github.com/mc-server/MCServer |
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Jordach |
apparently i earn big karma from /r/blender with each of my renders |
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Calinou |
there are tons of people making alternate servers, but none are really functional or bug-free |
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JamesTait |
It's still got a way to go, but it's being actively developed. |
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Calinou |
anyway, I'll star that repo |
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Jordach |
https://github.com/SirCmpwn/Craft.Net |
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Calinou |
we never know, if we ever see a client |
| 11:14 |
Calinou |
[I still bought Minecraft in December 2010…] |
| 11:15 |
Calinou |
but haven't played it since January 2014 |
| 11:15 |
Consortium |
Calinou Jordach you two talk like 8Chan holy shit |
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Jordach |
kek |
| 11:15 |
Consortium |
As in 8ch.net |
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Jordach |
jet fuel cant melt dank memes |
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Jordach |
m8 |
| 11:16 |
Consortium |
<Jordach> jet fuel cant melt dank memes |
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Krock |
I would prefer if the serious talk could continue. |
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Consortium |
It feels like home all over again! |
| 11:16 |
Consortium |
Krock: okay |
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SylvieLorxu |
Consortium: Go back to halfchan |
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Consortium |
Lets talk bussiness |
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Krock |
Otherwise everybody will act like in a Kindergarten. |
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Consortium |
SylvieLorxu: What are you? LW |
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SylvieLorxu |
Collaboratively administrate empowered markets via plug-and-play networks. Dynamically procrastinate B2C users after installed base benefits. Dramatically visualize customer directed convergence without revolutionary ROI. |
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SylvieLorxu |
Efficiently unleash cross-media information without cross-media value. Quickly maximize timely deliverables for real-time schemas. Dramatically maintain clicks-and-mortar solutions without functional solutions. |
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SylvieLorxu |
Completely synergize resource sucking relationships via premier niche markets. Professionally cultivate one-to-one customer service with robust ideas. Dynamically innovate resource-leveling customer service for state of the art customer service. |
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Krock |
GOod stuff. |
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Jordach |
[x] rekt [ ] not rekt |
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Consortium |
SylvieLorxu: how do you generate those text? |
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Krock |
One upon a time, rubenwardy wrote a noob generator script which gave a much better output. |
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SylvieLorxu |
Consortium: http://cipsum.com/ |
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Krock |
https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/4cb29fedb7952e5a4cdf |
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Consortium |
Krock: Minetest can't play chess! It just can't! |
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Krock |
SylvieLorxu, it always starts with a "*ly"word and ends with a noun. |
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Consortium |
Can we program other things into minetest |
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ThatGraemeGuy |
http://i.imgur.com/lLo84rw.png o_O |
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Krock |
a tree! |
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ThatGraemeGuy |
haha |
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xenkey |
lol |
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Consortium |
Brainfuck in Minetest? |
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ThatGraemeGuy |
yeah, how bizarre |
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ThatGraemeGuy |
wtf is that tree doing there |
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Krock |
It spawned there. |
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ElectronLibre |
OH my. |
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ElectronLibre |
I remember these. |
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Consortium |
wtf is that pic??? |
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ElectronLibre |
When was this map created/generated? |
| 11:31 |
Krock |
The problem of that server is, moretrees is installed and those trees are sometimes too large and cause those buggy blocks |
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Krock |
(AFAIK) |
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ElectronLibre |
It's exactly that Krock. |
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ThatGraemeGuy |
a bajillion years ago, this is VanessaE's survival server, this..... thing..... is floating above a desert |
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Krock |
/deleteblocks here solves the problem.. except the tree, you must remove it manyually |
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JZ403 |
How would I go about setting up a world where people/companies could sponsor it, in exchange for a sign posted at the world's entrance (advertising the company)? |
| 11:32 |
Krock |
That's inefficient since there are 70% kids on todays' servers |
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JZ403 |
Man :( I have this great idea but don't have the money to host it. |
| 11:33 |
Krock |
Host your own server on some old laptop |
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Krock |
(If that's your target) |
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JZ403 |
Can't. Using the neighbor's connection. Firewalled in. |
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Calinou |
serious companies aren't going to be advertised on game servers |
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Consortium |
fail? |
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* Calinou |
remembers the “Diesel†Quake Live campaigns… |
| 11:34 |
Calinou |
“Hello, you seem to use the railgun a lot, you should shave a bit†|
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Krock |
Wow. good advertisement |
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JZ403 |
I'm wanting to go completely Avatar and have a elements themed world (fire, air, water, earth). Then allow companies to pay to support each group of people (giving them items and whatnot). |
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JZ403 |
*an |
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Consortium |
Call Kotaku already! (Don't actually do it) |
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JZ903 |
Sorry, got disconnected. |
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Consortium |
K |
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Consortium |
I'm wanting to go completely Avatar and have a elements themed world (fire, air, water, earth). Then allow companies to pay to support each group of people (giving them items and whatnot). |
| 11:41 |
Consortium |
But how? |
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JZ903 |
What do you mean Consortium? I'm wanting the spawn area to split off into four paths. . . then each group can make their own world. |
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Consortium |
JZ903: Imbalance |
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Consortium |
Imagine its Harry Potter |
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JZ903 |
ok? |
| 11:46 |
Consortium |
Everybody wants to be griffendore |
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Consortium |
Only assholes join Slytherin |
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JZ903 |
I had thought of that but I was going to leave Avatar out of it. Just go with the elements. I used Avatar so show where I was going with it. |
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Consortium |
I know, i know |
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rubenwardy |
Avatar! |
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rubenwardy |
Awesome. |
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Krock |
Without VManip operatoins, it might get a bit laggy |
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JZ903 |
Personally, I wanted to be in the water area myself. I'm also going to allow players to go inbetween areas. This way they can "be the avatar" LOL |
| 11:54 |
Consortium |
I think we need to develop Minetest so people can play minigames |
| 11:54 |
Consortium |
The walls, MineZ and many others are fun because they are pretty much based on other games |
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JZ903 |
That would be kind of cool. |
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Consortium |
So... that is why need the list |
| 11:55 |
Consortium |
More games, more mods, more everything |
| 11:55 |
Consortium |
To replace Minecraft as the key to technological education |
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JZ903 |
I wish it would support hyperlinking between worlds. |
| 11:57 |
Consortium |
What is hyperlinking? |
| 11:57 |
JZ903 |
Go through this door and be in another world. |
| 11:58 |
JZ903 |
Like hyperlinking on the web (except in the game world). |
| 11:58 |
Consortium |
Oh, that will be awesome! |
| 11:58 |
Consortium |
Write that down in the list, please |
| 11:59 |
JZ903 |
All the 3D web browsers are getting it. I was surprised that it wasn't included in minetest by default. |
| 11:59 |
JZ903 |
What list? |
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Consortium |
JZ903: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-iDMmTwTCIduEDEil7DWachERj4PSwSbp_zzS6eeH2w/edit?usp=sharing |
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JZ903 |
WOW |
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JZ903 |
Consortium, I think I'll leave the list to you guys but I don't care to drop in and make suggestions from time to time. |
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JZ903 |
one problem the 3D browsers are having with hyperlinking though is item ownership. Can you take what you own across the web or do you start over with each new place you visit? You'd have to have some sort of cross linking for servers owned by the same person. |
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Consortium |
CL type-A: servers are from the same franchise, therefore you can bring things from one to the other |
| 12:15 |
Consortium |
CL type-B: Owned by the same people but not allowed to carry things over, therefore items are saved in each server |
| 12:18 |
JZ903 |
Is it possible to open links inside a browser by clicking things? I know it would be a lot more fun if I could open instructables and community chats by clicking. |
| 12:23 |
Consortium |
What do you mean? |
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JZ903 |
Say I wanted to open this chatroom. . . I would click a sign or something and it would pop open in my default browser. |
| 12:29 |
JZ903 |
Or someone wanted to make an in-world tutorial. . . With each step, they'd link to the minetest wiki. |
| 12:29 |
Krock |
How about a Ctrl + C, Ctrl + V action? |
| 12:30 |
rubenwardy |
The developers don't want such a feature |
| 12:31 |
rubenwardy |
Security risk :P |
| 12:31 |
xenkey |
Is it? |
| 12:32 |
rubenwardy |
They think so |
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JZ903 |
Maybe include an embedded browser without javascript inside minetest? |
| 12:33 |
Consortium |
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-iDMmTwTCIduEDEil7DWachERj4PSwSbp_zzS6eeH2w/edit?usp=sharing |
| 12:34 |
Krock |
Consortium, http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2015-04-09 Ctrl + F -> "=sharing" |
| 12:35 |
Krock |
Create a forum topic if you want attention |
| 12:36 |
Consortium |
Krock wat? |
| 12:38 |
Consortium |
What is with the link to http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2015-04-09 |
| 12:40 |
Krock |
I wanted to tell you to create a forum topic or do something else then repeating the same link over and over again ;) |
| 12:40 |
exio4 |
hai |
| 12:40 |
Krock |
then, than? instead of. |
| 12:40 |
Krock |
Hi, exio4. |
| 12:41 |
exio4 |
JZ903: I think you don't want minetest, but an online game that runs in your browser |
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Krock |
Let's port Minetest to javascript! |
| 12:47 |
JZ903 |
exio4: nah. I was an avid secondlife user until everyone left it. There are some features which I would like to see in minetest based around those. One of them was linking to external webpages. It has numerous possiblities (one of which is a security problem if Javascript is enabled). Others include: Community chatrooms, documentation, music, ToS agreements, etc. The list goes on but I don't want to flood the chat. |
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exio4 |
JZ903: ToS agreements? where? |
| 12:50 |
JZ903 |
I've heard the phrase, "Minetest is NOT Minecraft" numerous times on this forum. I'm suggesting these things, not b/c I desire to see minetest under another flavor. The basic gist of the game is what I love about it. I'm suggesting these things b/c I think they add valid improvements to the game itself. |
| 12:51 |
JZ903 |
ToS agreements (and rules) might be needed by any number of minetest servers for any number of reasons. |
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JZ903 |
*in this chat, sorry not 100% today LOL |
| 12:52 |
exio4 |
terms of use agreements is just a fancy term for "don't be a dick" |
| 12:52 |
Krock |
^ |
| 12:52 |
exio4 |
but I don't really think copy/paste/opening links would be that bad |
| 12:52 |
exio4 |
being able to open randomly links without warning, though... that's a no |
| 12:53 |
JZ903 |
exio4: pretty much but as legal systems get more and more laws on their books, I think people will find that a ToS agreement might be needed :(. That being said, all the other reasons for external linking are still in play, even if ToS agreements isn't. |
| 12:54 |
JZ903 |
Maybe a warning with the entire link displayed before opening it in the browser? |
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exio4 |
I don't know |
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exio4 |
it has to be annoying enough |
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JZ903 |
I don't think copy and paste is bad. It's just extra work. External linking could solve that, especially if you're looking at a sign that has a URL on it. |
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Consortium |
Krock: which category of the forum should i put my stuff in? |
| 13:00 |
Krock |
Feature Discussion? |
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Consortium |
K |
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Consortium |
Krock: https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.minetest.net%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D5%26t%3D11809&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNF3vMMIp4i1b40kc47wiYQazE2x_Q |
| 13:12 |
Consortium |
I did it |
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Krock |
congrats for that google link |
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Consortium |
Shit |
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Krock |
Btw, why not add that tic-tac-toe field? :P |
| 13:14 |
Krock |
jk |
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Zeno` |
I hope someone else is going to write all those itemdefs and create the textures hehe |
| 13:15 |
Zeno` |
why MongoDB? |
| 13:15 |
Krock |
Good question ^ |
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Consortium |
What MongoDB? |
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Krock |
LevelDB is a horror to install on windows, I won't imagine MongoDB |
| 13:20 |
Consortium |
What is DB for? |
| 13:20 |
xenkey |
Date |
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xenkey |
Bade |
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xenkey |
Woops |
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xenkey |
Database |
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Consortium |
I mean SQL is FOSS, right? |
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* xenkey |
facepalms |
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xenkey |
SQL is a language |
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xenkey |
well |
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xenkey |
idk |
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xenkey |
but theres many implementations liek postgresql mysql, |
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xenkey |
etc |
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xenkey |
correct me if im wrong :3 |
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Consortium |
SQL is a FOSS programming language, right? |
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Consortium |
Becuase Java is not (at least thats what i think) |
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SylvieLorxu |
It's not so much about the language, it's about the implementation |
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SylvieLorxu |
Java has both a proprietary virtual machine, and a Free one |
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SylvieLorxu |
SQL has a lot of Free database systems that read it, but there are also a few dialects for Microsoft Access and so |
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Consortium |
CLR, JVM, LLVM, Parrot? |
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SylvieLorxu |
As far as I know, the syntax itself isn't really licensed, but the application running/compiling it is |
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Zeno` |
SQL is a standard |
| 13:27 |
Zeno` |
not a FOSS language (although there are FOSS implementations) |
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Consortium |
Zeno`: name some FOSS language |
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JZ903 |
I have added Mongo b/c of the speed of use with multiple servers and services needed for a full-pledged game. It is very good with those and it quite easy to install if you know what you're doing. |
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Calinou |
Consortium, Rust, Go, Dart, … |
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Calinou |
the reference implementations are free/libre |
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Calinou |
so is the documentation/specifications usually |
| 13:38 |
Consortium |
Calinou: Is Red FOSS? |
| 13:38 |
Calinou |
what's red? |
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Consortium |
red-lang.com |
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JZ903 |
What is Red? |
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Calinou |
doesn't seem to work |
| 13:39 |
Calinou |
every time someone with a PhD sneezes, a new programming language is created |
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Calinou |
:) |
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Consortium |
http://www.red-lang.org/ |
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Consortium |
Calinou: This is the shit |
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Krock |
It's open source. It's possible to download it |
| 13:44 |
Consortium |
Full Stack + Modular/Extensible-Syntax + CLR + JVM = Perfection |
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rom1504 |
yes but can it store blue ?? |
| 13:56 |
Consortium |
What pun is this? |
| 13:56 |
rom1504 |
a red one |
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rom1504 |
:))))) |
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Krock |
Zeno`, can you delete posts on the forums? |
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Zeno` |
the forum or github? |
| 14:12 |
Zeno` |
on the forums, nope |
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Zeno` |
oh |
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Zeno` |
Krock, have you compiled minetest since yesterday? |
| 14:13 |
Zeno` |
because there have been some changes to freetype detection and neither hmmmm nor I could work out if it would break msvc builds or not |
| 14:14 |
Zeno` |
but it was merged. so if it breaks we will need to add a workaround |
| 14:14 |
Krock |
Robert_Zenz, not yet |
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Krock |
Zeno`, ^ |
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Zeno` |
lol |
| 14:14 |
Zeno` |
ok :) |
| 14:15 |
Krock |
Zeno`, I'd suggest to look at the IRC log of yesterday. I successfully compiled it |
| 14:15 |
Krock |
Commit c758fd73 |
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* Zeno` |
looks at the commit log |
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Krock |
s/commit/IRC/ |
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Zeno` |
ah ok it's all cool then I guess |
| 14:16 |
Zeno` |
d2fc98e was the commit that was in doubt |
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Krock |
Ah. |
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Consortium |
Krock |
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Krock |
Yeah, what's up? |
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xenkey |
Etzos: hi? |
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Consortium |
Why is the IRC getting quiet? |
| 14:31 |
Krock |
Because no-one was talking |
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exio4 |
pretty much |
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Consortium |
Gonna go to sleep... see you tomorrow |
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Consortium |
The docs is always open |
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Wuzzy |
Where is debug.txt on Windows 8? |
| 15:02 |
ElectronLibre |
It is where you launched minetest.exe from. |
| 15:03 |
ElectronLibre |
(the root of your Minetest directory or ./bin/ usually) |
| 15:03 |
Krock |
The working directory of minetest.exe, yes. |
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Krock |
C'mon. There's still some old spam laying somewhere in the Minetest forums I thought it would start smell after a half day. |
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VanessaE |
*sniffs* where? |
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VanessaE |
:) |
| 15:14 |
Krock |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=5 |
| 15:14 |
Krock |
5 exemplares of spam |
| 15:14 |
Krock |
There's also some at Geral Discussion |
| 15:14 |
tim_flatus |
Just had a markers crash, something to do with the new nearsorter functionality. I can't see where 'factor' is defined. Sokomine has anyone else seen this or have I made some sleep deprived mistake? |
| 15:15 |
Krock |
A mod crash? Is there any error log? |
| 15:15 |
tim_flatus |
I just posted here - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=8175&p=175682 |
| 15:16 |
tim_flatus |
Just because I didn't sleep last night and am probably missing a braincell. |
| 15:16 |
Krock |
hmm areas.lua:7 |
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tim_flatus |
Well, the whole stanza |
| 15:18 |
Krock |
The problem is, something defined "factor" to a non-numeric value |
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tim_flatus |
No, the problem seems to be that it isn't defined at all. |
| 15:19 |
Krock |
vector.interpolate = function(pos1, pos2, factor) |
| 15:19 |
Krock |
https://github.com/Sokomine/markers/blob/master/areas.lua#L116 |
| 15:19 |
Krock |
It is defined. |
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YvesLevier |
We are about to recieve a municipal "ok" to extend Saint-Camille in minetest to our township. We got a rendez-vous with township tomorrow. |
| 15:21 |
YvesLevier |
Thanks to all :) |
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YvesLevier |
VanessaE: ^ |
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Krock |
Eeks. I hate that table sorting method |
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VanessaE |
cool |
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Wuzzy |
Krock: “working directory of minetest.exeâ€. Does that mean “%WHERE_MINETEST_IS_INSTALLED%\bin\debugâ€? |
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Wuzzy |
oops, I mean \bin\debug.txt |
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tim_flatus |
OK, I am missing a braincell then krock as I don't understand how that translates to line 7. |
| 15:24 |
ElectronLibre |
It means where you launched it from. |
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ElectronLibre |
Usually it's \bin\ |
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tim_flatus |
Because vector.interpolate only seems to take 2 args rather than the 3 it has beeng given. Doesn't the '0.5' just drop out? |
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MarisD |
~tell VanessaE Hi can you change my password in VE Vanilla? Name: VanillaVan Thanks, -Vanilla |
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ShadowBot |
MarisD: O.K. |
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tim_flatus |
ug |
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MarisD |
hi, aflatus. |
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MarisD |
afflatus* |
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tim_flatus |
thi |
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* tim_flatus |
gives up |
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* MarisD |
what tim said |
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tim_flatus |
Do you play on my server? |
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tim_flatus |
missed ok |
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Builder123 |
Hello, All. |
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Krock |
Wuzzy, yes, bin\debug.txt |
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Krock |
tim_flatus, interpolate always needs 3 values |
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* Krock |
goes afk |
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tim_flatus |
So it should be vector.interpolate = function(pos1, pos2, factor) |
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Wuzzy |
thx |
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Hijiri |
wait, minetest hashes passwords before sending them? |
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Hijiri |
that's what the doc seems to imply |
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tim_flatus |
Thankyou Krock, so I was right in the first place - 'factor' wasn't defined. |
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tim_flatus |
lol |
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Krock |
!tell tim_flatus The funny thing was, I had the fixed versio in front of me and just didn't get where the fail actually is. |
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MinetestBot |
Krock: I'll pass that on when tim_flatus is around |
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Krock |
Yeah, thanks, MinetestBot! |
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Krock |
Liek a pro: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=175646#p175646 |
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luizrpgluiz |
hi |
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Krock |
hi |
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Salbei |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3188 |
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Salbei |
Anyone use this on his server? |
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Krock |
There's a newer version: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9637 |
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Krock |
^ Salbei |
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Salbei |
Krock: thanks |
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Krock |
np |
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Krock |
Jordach, answer those damn question! :P |
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Krock |
+s |
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Krock |
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3471/3391551453_32cc937189.jpg |
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Megaf_ |
Hi |
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xenkey |
hi |
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Etzos |
xenkey: ping |
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xenkey |
hey there |
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Etzos |
Sorry. I've been super busy these past few days. |
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xenkey |
That's alright, things happen. |
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xenkey |
I'm going to bed soon. Are you free tomorrow? |
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Etzos |
Yep. |
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Etzos |
At least most of the day. |
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xenkey |
I so have some 10 mins (I need them to fix me raging and rm -rfing my web interface thing) |
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* xenkey |
gets mad sometimes ^.^ |
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Etzos |
The double-edged sword that is rm -rf. XD |
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xenkey |
Yup |
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xenkey |
Had to rebuild a whole chroot |
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xenkey |
not so fun |
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Etzos |
I can imagine. |
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xenkey |
Think is, my web server needs it |
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xenkey |
So (please don't tell anyone) I mounted the root filesystem inside a chroot |
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Etzos |
Sounds safe. |
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xenkey |
Yup |
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xenkey |
No way too hacky |
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Jordach |
evryo |
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Jordach |
everything is fine |
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* Jordach |
can't fly a plane with a flight stick |
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Megaf_ |
Jordach: why not? Perhaps your stick is not suitable for you or your simulator. |
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Jordach |
Megaf_, it's fine |
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Jordach |
i haven't got muscle memory pinned down |
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Megaf_ |
Perhaps. What stick to you have? |
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Jordach |
Saitek 3D Cyborg Gold (sealed unit from first manufacture) |
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Megaf_ |
Jordach: We can't blame the stick then |
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Megaf_ |
You got yourself a good one |
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Jordach |
Megaf_, she's elderly (10+ years old) |
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Jordach |
it has drivers for XP only :D |
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Megaf_ |
It doesnt matter |
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Megaf_ |
btw, have you tested it on linux? You could play FlightGear there |
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Jordach |
ugh |
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Jordach |
i don't like commercial flight sims |
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Jordach |
combat flight sims all the way |
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Megaf_ |
Then IL-2 is a fantastic choice |
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Megaf_ |
Maybe not... |
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Megaf_ |
🧠|
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Megaf_ |
I am a beautiful person who is the best way to get the best way to get the best way to get a chance to win the game and the rest of the most important thing to remember to bring it to you |
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Megaf_ |
Lol. Those words were only suggestions from my tablets keyboard |
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Johnsen2 |
!server CsMr |
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Johnsen2: No results |
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