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Tablet_One |
Hello Zeno` :) |
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Greetings :) |
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[git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Fix minetest.get_craft_recipe function 5b5c498 http://git.io/h72X (2015-03-23T13:40:20+10:00) |
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[git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Fix cmake po detection bug c31c87a http://git.io/h72A (2015-03-23T13:43:18+10:00) |
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[git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Fix Android build on 32 bit 15d9cd3 http://git.io/h7oI (2015-03-23T14:11:39+10:00) |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Near Miss Day! :-D |
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est31 |
finally, minetest is also available in the f-droid app store! https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=mine&fdid=net.minetest.minetest |
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https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=mine&fdid=net.minetest.minetest |
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Calinou |
yay |
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est31 |
this url is better Calinou: https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=net.minetest.minetest |
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est31 |
realized it right now |
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Calinou |
added F-Droid link in topic |
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est31 |
great |
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est31 |
and it seems freeminer isnt far away either : https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroiddata/merge_requests/647 |
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est31 |
btw Calinou could you make more distinct ore images for tin and silver? I always mix them up |
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est31 |
at mining, and at crafting |
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DosAmp |
How can you create a user on the minetest wikis (either wiki or dev)? It says "To help protect against automated account creation, please select just the cat photos in the box below", but there's no CAPTCHA loading |
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DosAmp |
if I look into the browser console, it says that the host "challenge.asirra.com" cannot be found |
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est31 |
DosAmp, ask an admin, those captcha plugins are broken |
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DosAmp |
that's why I'm here |
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est31 |
so best is you just wait :) |
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farfadet46 |
hi |
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est31 |
hi :) |
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est31 |
Zeno`, are you an admin for the wikis? |
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est31 |
one of them at least? read log 4 this channel |
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Zeno` |
admin no |
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Zeno` |
I can edit them |
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Zeno` |
est31, Calinou ^^ is the one you need to speak to :D |
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Zeno` |
perfect timing heh |
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est31 |
DosAmp wants, rather. |
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Calinou |
so, I read the IRC log |
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Calinou |
I see that DosAmp wants a wiki account |
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Calinou |
DosAmp, PM me your e-mail address (/msg Calinou <email here>) |
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Calinou |
I'll create you an account for both wiki and dev |
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APEXiT |
Does anyone make money with minetest servers? |
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hi |
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hi |
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Calinou |
APEXiT, I doubt anyone makes a profit of it (although that's perfectly legal) |
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Calinou |
you are allowed to sell items and such for real money |
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APEXiT |
Calinou. OK. Thanks. I was just looking at the userbase for Minecraft. 18 million premium users... Thinking about ways to monitize, but I really like the open source nature of minetest |
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Calinou |
money isn't the thing that matters here |
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APEXiT |
yeah. I agree. I am building community in my local neighborhood and am not a lover of money, but money is required for survival in the culture I live in. If people are willing to pay for something, that might provide income for my family. |
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Calinou |
I suggest not looking at Minetest as a source of income |
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Calinou |
it probably won't end well |
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Calinou |
(players being angry, asking for refunds, …) |
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APEXiT |
:) Thanks. yeah. I don't plan to dupe anyone into paying for something. I was looking at starting some minecraft servers with unique mods and directed at a specific type of user. |
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* Calinou |
facepalm |
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Calinou |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=9898 |
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Calinou |
I need to find a GIF to describe this… |
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Calinou: some people use youtube as an income source |
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xenkey |
Hi |
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marktraceur |
Whoa, found another nyancat |
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marktraceur |
This nuclear mining stuff is great. |
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xenkey |
What's that script to make the remote media cache files? |
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Calinou |
https://gist.github.com/Calinou/d58bd9c1a2ed26cb0b37 |
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Calinou |
it is here |
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xenkey |
Calinou: what about .blend |
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Calinou |
.blend is not sent to players |
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xenkey |
I knew that |
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Calinou |
it's a source format, is not required for the game to function |
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xenkey |
alright, cool |
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xenkey |
Does armor/wieldview have any significant slowdown server-side? |
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Calinou |
wieldview might be slow if your server has more than 20 players |
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Calinou |
else, it'll be fine |
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Calinou |
3d_armor shouldn't cause slowdown |
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xenkey |
hmm |
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xenkey |
WHy could it be slow |
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Calinou |
wieldview checks for players' wield item every 2 seconds |
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Calinou |
(delay is configurable) |
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xenkey |
so? that's 32 inventory checks per 2 seconds, seems quite trivial to me. Why would that cause lag? |
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Calinou |
because these checks can be expensive, they're not always optimized |
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rubenwardy |
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WSDguy2014 |
Hello guys, i have glitch to crash the game on diging and opening chest wile removed |
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WSDguy2014 |
i got fatal error on debug.txt |
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WSDguy2014 |
>> === FATAL ERROR === >> Access violation (Exception 0xC0000005) at 0x000000013F780490 >> Saved dump to C:\Games\minetest-0.4.12-win64-msvc\minetest-0.4.12\bin\..\minetest.dmp |
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jordan4ibanez |
low carb monster is really helping me learn lol |
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Nihao |
Greetings, keepers of the cubes! |
| 21:00 |
Nihao |
I got yet another cause for very regular server crashes on our beloved server. It is related to the hud! Who would have expected that? |
| 21:01 |
Nihao |
It seems that some experimental (and dirty) code sneaked its way in :) |
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Nihao |
Is somebody interested in the traces? |
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ElectronLibre |
Nihao, devs are working on it, and some fixes have been applyed without any results. |
| 21:03 |
Nihao |
oh |
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ElectronLibre |
s/applyed/applied |
| 21:03 |
ElectronLibre |
And since one time by three I got my local server crashing while connecting, I have to use 0.4.12-release. |
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Nihao |
Yes, very sad. |
| 21:04 |
Nihao |
Such a great game! But some parts seem a bit strange. |
| 21:04 |
ElectronLibre |
While server sends malformed packets, or got frozen. |
| 21:04 |
Nihao |
Just in case, here is my trace: http://pastebin.com/XcRReKgq |
| 21:05 |
ElectronLibre |
And when miraculously it connects it's like 11FPS where I can have 80 and more using release.. |
| 21:05 |
Nihao |
Quite some difference. |
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ElectronLibre |
Oh, |
| 21:05 |
ElectronLibre |
You're talking about HUD mod's bug. |
| 21:05 |
ElectronLibre |
Ok then update pipeworks and it should be fine. |
| 21:06 |
Nihao |
OK, I do that. Coild you please tell me about the relation? |
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Trixar_za |
Mods can crash or slow down the server. That's the relationship |
| 21:06 |
Trixar_za |
:P |
| 21:06 |
ElectronLibre |
Exhaus have been causing troubles rencently, because pipeworks simulated a player with no name, who was triggerring the hud's function which dicrease exhaus when player dig. |
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jordan4ibanez |
sfan5: o/ |
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ElectronLibre |
So when an old node breaker with no "owner" parameter digs, it starts to get something like hud.hunger[""] that doesn't exit, and do math with it. |
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sfan5 |
jordan4ibanez: o/ |
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Nihao |
Waht is an old nodebreaker |
| 21:08 |
Nihao |
? |
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jordan4ibanez |
wooooo |
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Nihao |
An adult player ? :))))) |
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Nihao |
Is it a machine like Quarry (we removed Quarry)? |
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jordan4ibanez |
The deprecated node breaker |
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jordan4ibanez |
minetest.remove_node(pos) |
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Nihao |
....has it a name or is that an abstract thing like a mmethod? |
| 21:11 |
Nihao |
ok |
| 21:11 |
Nihao |
I misunderstood in the beginning. |
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Nihao |
Are there many things remaining using it? |
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jordan4ibanez |
Well understanding is an adventure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsxcHHbdLA4 |
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jordan4ibanez |
Lol, let's hope not, that thing is slow as shit compared to voxelapi :P |
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jordan4ibanez |
But, if you don't understand the voxel api, you can use it, it'll just bog down the game if you use it a lot like we used to |
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Nihao |
I am slow, but serious :) Give me the way to deactivate the users of "old node breaker" and we can care about the remaining bugs. |
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jordan4ibanez |
CoughSfan5AndITestingTNTOnMyPcCough |
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Trixar_za |
Does it involve beer? |
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Nihao |
We are more on the builder side. TNT is disabled... |
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Trixar_za |
If it does, I would want to test it too |
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jordan4ibanez |
Nihao: Wait, are you developing a mod? |
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Nihao |
Funny, I do not have that knowledge yet. |
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Nihao |
But patching in some cases could be an option. |
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Nihao |
Like I deactivate the sickle :) |
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jordan4ibanez |
15:16:53: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: /home/minetest/.minetest/mods/hud/hunger.lua |
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jordan4ibanez |
Can you paste the code of that file? The whole code |
| 21:16 |
Nihao |
Sure, searching it. |
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jordan4ibanez |
Wait don't paste it in the irc!! |
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jordan4ibanez |
Go on pastie.org I mean |
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Nihao |
jordan4ibanez: I won't. |
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Nihao |
I am just discovering the server structure aand things :) have to search a bit. |
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jordan4ibanez |
Nihao: All you have to do is go to /home/minetest/.minetest/mods/hud/hunger.lua lol :P |
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Nihao |
yeah, by ssh |
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est31 |
there is either vim or less |
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est31 |
less is more :D |
| 21:21 |
est31 |
hi Nihao |
| 21:21 |
Nihao |
Actually: This is the code: https://github.com/BlockMen/hud/blob/master/hunger.lua |
| 21:21 |
Nihao |
It is copied from there |
| 21:21 |
Nihao |
Holà est31 |
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est31 |
perhaps line would be good too |
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est31 |
if one is included in that error |
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Nihao |
est31: I have this: http://pastebin.com/XcRReKgq |
| 21:24 |
est31 |
the middle error is reported to the authors of the mod |
| 21:24 |
Nihao |
Including loads of line numbers :) |
| 21:24 |
est31 |
do you have any info on how to reproduce the middle error? |
| 21:25 |
jordan4ibanez |
That code assumes that exhaus is always there, there needs to be an if not then create exhaus section |
| 21:25 |
jordan4ibanez |
I used to do that a lot, that's not good practice at all lol |
| 21:25 |
Nihao |
I did not find out how to reproduce it. |
| 21:26 |
Nihao |
Assuming is bad coupling. |
| 21:26 |
est31 |
either way, servers like yours show that mmdb is perhaps too early... unfortunately |
| 21:27 |
Nihao |
It is not so far away from working. An you saw what we are capable of doing. |
| 21:27 |
Nihao |
It is beautiful! |
| 21:28 |
Nihao |
And you did not visit Saramin, did you? |
| 21:28 |
jordan4ibanez |
I mean you can try adding this in http://paste.ofcode.org/37CyRkvqbFexVm3w4zrxDTZ but I'm not sure that'll change anything since it's already registered at the beggining of that function |
| 21:29 |
jordan4ibanez |
I'm rusty as poop with that api |
| 21:29 |
est31 |
but I also guess that when server admins start to recombine mods freely, the issues will be resolved faster |
| 21:29 |
Nihao |
est31: As we do? |
| 21:30 |
est31 |
yes, thanks for helping resolving issues :) |
| 21:30 |
Nihao |
Thanks to YOU guys! |
| 21:31 |
Nihao |
If you have an indication on how to get better traces, I take it right away! |
| 21:32 |
Nihao |
Please do not hesitate to tell me, I might not understand everything but am willing to make this worls a better one, even if it is filled with cubes :) |
| 21:32 |
Nihao |
world* |
| 21:33 |
est31 |
the traces are quite good |
| 21:33 |
Nihao |
I will come back in a minute or two, have to repair my reactor. It seems that something flew into it and the reactor blew up :) |
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* est31 |
hides |
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* est31 |
hides and decontaminates |
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est31 |
man, I should have done this before. |
| 21:34 |
Nihao |
So the moderator did worldedit on it and there is only void remaining. The worst thing is that I had all my MK3 inside for recharging :) |
| 21:34 |
Nihao |
What? |
| 21:35 |
est31 |
decontamination is usually done after a nuclear incident |
| 21:35 |
Nihao |
You want a decontamination mod? |
| 21:35 |
est31 |
(it was a joke btw.) |
| 21:37 |
Nihao |
OK. You can come back even if you blew up the reactor. I know you did not do that intentionally. The Admin is cool and will replace it for sure. |
| 21:37 |
est31 |
I'll come the next time you need me :) |
| 21:43 |
Nihao |
est31: Actually, I need you to visit "Saramin". It will do you good because you will see what these guys are creating inside the game you are creating. And it is simply amazing, ask deezl. |
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err404 |
https://wiki.minetest.net/ <-- forbiden :( |
| 21:57 |
alket |
hi est31 |
| 21:57 |
est31 |
hey alket :) |
| 21:58 |
alket |
how much RAM and GB does our server need ? |
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MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Mgv6: Use heightmap in placeTreesAndJungleGrass() 37a6297 http://git.io/hAaC (2015-03-23T21:55:01Z) |
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VanessaE |
alket: 1GB of RAM is more than enough for a single, well-modded server |
| 22:08 |
VanessaE |
and perhaps 2-4GB of disk as the map gets big |
| 22:08 |
alket |
VanessaE: thanks |
| 22:08 |
VanessaE |
a fast CPU is recommended if you have heavy mods - 3-4 GHz at least. |
| 22:08 |
alket |
we alrady have a server, but we're thinking about moving, so I was asking how much |
| 22:08 |
est31 |
Trepca's disk is at 2.5 G |
| 22:08 |
alket |
since i have no idea how to do that xD |
| 22:08 |
est31 |
only worldfile |
| 22:08 |
VanessaE |
VE-Survival's map is something like 8 GB now |
| 22:10 |
est31 |
um no sorry only 1.4 GB |
| 22:10 |
est31 |
the other stuff is mods |
| 22:10 |
est31 |
and "dunno" |
| 22:10 |
est31 |
perhaps rollback |
| 22:10 |
VanessaE |
bigger worry is how big your rollback log gets |
| 22:10 |
est31 |
yes rollback is 1.1 GB |
| 22:10 |
VanessaE |
VE-S got to 55 GB before I deleted it, and that was just a week's worth |
| 22:11 |
VanessaE |
BUT that's because of technic machines' actions flooding the log |
| 22:14 |
est31 |
much of the RAM is used by the OS as disk cache. minetest requires only a small part... |
| 22:14 |
VanessaE |
est31: unless a memory leak kicks in ;) |
| 22:15 |
est31 |
yea :/ |
| 22:17 |
alket |
is there a bulldozer mod ? |
| 22:17 |
VanessaE |
not exactly, but worldedit can achieve the same effect with enough commnads |
| 22:17 |
VanessaE |
commands* |
| 22:17 |
alket |
well having a bulldozer is actually playing :p |
| 22:18 |
est31 |
and worldedit is only for admins... |
| 22:18 |
VanessaE |
technic has a mining drill that can be set to cut a wide swath I think.... |
| 22:18 |
VanessaE |
so a bulldozer is possible |
| 22:19 |
est31 |
yes Ive already used once to level land on VE-S. |
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Nihao |
est31: and moderators and builders... |
| 22:24 |
alket |
can you drive bulldozer ? |
| 22:24 |
alket |
i mean, can you drive anything |
| 22:24 |
alket |
is that supported |
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VanessaE |
well there is a cars mod, UFOs also |
| 22:25 |
VanessaE |
and a helicopter |
| 22:25 |
VanessaE |
a "fake voxel mesh" mod, and I forget what else |
| 22:26 |
VanessaE |
so yeah, you can drive/fly stuff around |
| 22:26 |
VanessaE |
it's just a matter of coding the vehicle so that it moves/removes stuff in front of it up to a point |
| 22:28 |
hmmmm |
how many people have been noticing lag when crafting as of the current version in git? |
| 22:29 |
VanessaE |
not sure |
| 22:30 |
VanessaE |
I don't do much crafting except when coding a new recipe so I don't get to see it too often |
| 22:30 |
VanessaE |
but for sure, it works fine in 038d3a31 |
| 22:30 |
hmmmm |
i might have to revert 03e0dd33 if enough people have problems |
| 22:30 |
est31 |
gregory's crafting patch *should* only affect crafting guides |
| 22:30 |
hmmmm |
this is supposed to be an enhancement |
| 22:30 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: I think you mean to revert 1b2f644, right? |
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hmmmm |
ohhh..... |
| 22:31 |
hmmmm |
people were moaning and groaning after I committed the get_all_craft_recepies optimization |
| 22:31 |
hmmmm |
so I figured that was the cause |
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hmmmm |
VanessaE: reverting 1b2f644 works for you?? |
| 22:32 |
hmmmm |
est31: touche |
| 22:32 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: rolling back to 038d3a31 works. but I don't know what will happen by simply reverting 1b2f644 while leaving everything after it in place. |
| 22:32 |
VanessaE |
I did not try that specific action |
| 22:32 |
hmmmm |
try it |
| 22:32 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 22:33 |
VanessaE |
can't revert it. |
| 22:33 |
hmmmm |
of course |
| 22:33 |
hmmmm |
everything nerzhul commits has had problems so far |
| 22:33 |
hmmmm |
pfth |
| 22:34 |
hmmmm |
oooof course |
| 22:34 |
hmmmm |
VanessaE: I'll code up a commit that has the effect of reverting, except applies cleanly in my branch |
| 22:34 |
VanessaE |
ok. |
| 22:35 |
VanessaE |
did you notice nrz responded to those two issues? |
| 22:35 |
hmmmm |
no i didn't |
| 22:35 |
hmmmm |
paste me the link?? |
| 22:35 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2544 |
| 22:36 |
hmmmm |
wat |
| 22:36 |
VanessaE |
though PilzAdam says it's unrelated. also, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2524#issuecomment-85223468 |
| 22:36 |
hmmmm |
I am wrong for jumping to conclusions |
| 22:36 |
hmmmm |
just lemme code that up, you try it, and tell me if it was indeed 1b2f644 |
| 22:36 |
VanessaE |
sure. |
| 22:42 |
hmmmm |
christ this is tough |
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hmmmm |
i think i messed something |
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hmmmm |
this isn't gonna work |
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hmmmm |
sorry VanessaE, I can't revert it |
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VanessaE |
shit |
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bleak_fire_ |
hi |
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bleak_fire_ |
i was thinking of setting up a server, right now i'm just experimenting with connecting to a virtualbox |
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bleak_fire_ |
was wondering, what's the variable in minetest.conf to add mods (e.g. travelnet)? |
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everamzah |
bleak_fire_: it's in world.mt |
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bleak_fire_ |
ok |
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everamzah |
or you can put the mod itself in the worldname/worldmods directory |
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bleak_fire_ |
and it's automatic? |
| 23:45 |
bleak_fire_ |
if i did that |
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everamzah |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L76 -- yes, automatic |
