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ekem |
anyone tried running minetest of a 2GB vps yet? |
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ekem |
or even a 1GB, mainly for testing |
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Jordach |
ekem, my i run two servers on 1gb + 2 cores |
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Jordach |
runs fine with lag average down to 0.1-0.3 seconds |
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Warr1024 |
how good is redis as a storage back-end for MT? |
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Warr1024 |
compared to, say, sqlite or leveldb? |
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oh, shit, it looks like this thing doesn't support a lot of options |
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Warr1024 |
passwords and unix-domain sockets are conspicuously absent |
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ekem |
thanks Jordach |
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sfan5, you here? |
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devmarth |
I tried compiling for Windows again and I got the error "The procedure entry point _ZN3irr4core14IdentityMatrixE could not be found located in the dynamic link library Irrlicht.dll" |
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[git] Uberi -> Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Merge pull request #76 from est31/fixserialisation https:/ http://git.io/p6Oh (2015-03-11T22:08:32-04:00) |
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[git] est31 -> Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Load first node too with LuaJIT https:/ http://git.io/p6Oj (2015-03-12T02:40:19+01:00) |
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[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Mgv5/mgv7: Add desert temples if desert stone detected in mapchunk 6ce0985 http://git.io/p6Cj (2015-03-12T02:33:16Z) |
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Pilcrow |
looks pretty silent here. anyone wanna help me compile minetest on an old linux laptop? :P |
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sfan5 |
devmarth: try using a different Irrlicht version/build |
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WarrTab: redis is faster because it stores everything in RAM |
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sfan5 |
WarrTab: this makes sense if you have enough RAM |
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VanessaE |
that begs the question, what if the kernel's OOM killer nails minetest (e.g. due to a memory leak)? |
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VanessaE |
(Obviously that doesn't touch the redis server, I'm just thinking of the datastream between the two) |
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EnB |
hello... |
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EnB |
is everybody *afk? |
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[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Don't handle PlayerPos packet coming from client if player is dead 3067d78 http://git.io/pi0V (2015-03-12T10:32:16+01:00) |
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Good morning all; happy World Kidney Day! :-D |
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mazal |
hi everyone , I build a glass room underwater , but now how do I get the water out of the cube at the inside that is already there ? |
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Dartmouth |
You need to fill it with blocks and then dig them away again. You could also use worldedit, but I'm not sure of the command |
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mazal |
ah , will try that thanx |
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sfan5, the current Irrlicht version is the newest 1.8.1, should I get an older one? and if so, which one? |
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EnB |
ive got a problem to run minetestserver. http://pastebin.com/YGcunDx1 . Does anyone knows how to fix this? |
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devmarth |
Create a world EnB |
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devmarth |
bbl |
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MinetestBot |
[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: handleCommand_Breath mustn't update breath is player is dead. A dead player doesn't breath. afb19f3 http://git.io/piFG (2015-03-12T11:27:28+01:00) |
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srifqi |
what will happen if i join a channel that doesn't exist? |
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alket |
srifqi: in minetest ? |
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srifqi |
alket: no, in irc |
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alket |
it will be empy, and chanserv will join, you can register that channel on your name |
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rfree_prox |
srifqi, the world will sigsegv |
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srifqi |
sigsegv? |
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exio4 |
segfault |
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exio4 |
alket: no, if it is empty chanserv won't join |
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Jordach |
nrzkt and hmmmmm: fight fight! kiss kiss |
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Jordach |
(exactly how i see things( |
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Yves |
How to change my server pass plz? |
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VanessaE |
sign onto the server with your old pass |
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VanessaE |
press ESC |
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VanessaE |
use the "change password" option in that menu. |
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Yves |
Vanessa Hi |
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Yves |
k i try it |
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VanessaE: I change my pass (that was nothing) and it works. But my client entered without pass... Have an idea? |
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Yves |
som1 told me about minetest.conf |
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Yves |
but i didnt find a line about pass since i had none |
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VanessaE |
I'm not sure |
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Yves |
sorry im lost again :/ |
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VanessaE |
you can configure a server not to require a password, but singleplayer never requires one anyway |
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Yves |
Maybe i should hit the Public box? |
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Yves |
i cant log without my pass but clients can... |
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MinetestBot |
[git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: Update Indonesian Language 7c19933 http://git.io/pXoM (2015-03-12T17:08:08+01:00) |
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Yves |
VanessaE: Will i have to make a program looking at my console to tell me if unauthorized logs on? |
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VanessaE |
it |
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VanessaE |
it'll be in your logs. |
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VanessaE |
you'll see notifications there about people trying to use the wrong password |
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Yves |
then i can ban |
| 16:23 |
Yves |
right? |
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VanessaE |
are you familiar with the tool called "fail2ban"? |
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Yves |
But my client can log without password!!! |
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VanessaE |
you have to configure your server to require passwords. |
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Yves |
how? |
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Yves |
plz |
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VanessaE |
disallow_empty_password = true |
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VanessaE |
set this in your server's minetest.conf |
| 16:24 |
VanessaE |
then restart. |
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Yves |
Cauz of parental control that will finance our projet (5$ per month) ;) |
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Yves |
Trying this |
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VanessaE |
as for fail2ban, in short, it works at the OS level, and firewalls an IP after several failed ssh login attempts. It's not for minetest, so you will need to write a mod for Minetest that does the same sort of thing. |
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Yves |
about fail2ban... i averagely see. thx. But one think at a time plz. Im an old man. Looking for disallow_empty_password = true |
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Yves |
:) |
| 16:27 |
VanessaE |
there's the xban mod for minetest. an extension for that to do what you want might be a good idea actually. |
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VanessaE |
(that's assuming minetest will let you trap a failed password) |
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Calinou |
to require a default password, use default_password = Tux |
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Calinou |
replace Tux with the desired password |
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Calinou |
all new clients will have to use that password |
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Tux[Qyou] |
but tux is the best password |
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Yves |
Calinou: for old clients? How to remove them? |
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Calinou |
strict_protocol_version_checking = true |
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Calinou |
disallows players with older protocols |
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Calinou |
(protocol ≠ version) |
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Calinou |
for instance, 0.4.11 clients will still be able to connect to a 0.4.12 server, because the protocol hasn't changed |
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Yves |
testing |
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srifqi |
what is your "default" search engine? |
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Calinou |
DuckDuckGo |
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srifqi |
DuckDuckGo? |
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Calinou |
http://ddg.gg |
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srifqi |
Calinou: from what country? |
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Calinou |
is hosted in Ireland |
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Calinou |
I'm in France |
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srifqi |
oh, from Europe |
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exio4 |
default search engine where |
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srifqi |
exio4: in your "default" web browser |
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exio4 |
oh, I thought you were asking a minetest question |
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srifqi |
no, it's not |
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Yves |
Calinou: Doesnt work Calinou. Sorry. Im now the only one who have to enter my pass, out of new clients. But if i ban my clients... Will they have to create back their hero then pass will be forced? |
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Yves |
is that english? (sorry im french) |
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Calinou |
exisiting clients are not affected by default password |
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Calinou |
so you must remove their account by deleting the corresponding entry in the world's auth.txt |
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Calinou |
(empty password is clearly visible) |
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Yves |
looking to find auth.txt and looking at that |
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Yves |
Salut Electron |
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srifqi |
rubenwardy: evening |
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rubenwardy |
evening to you to! XD |
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srifqi |
*too |
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srifqi |
rubenwardy: will you add VoxelManip to your `book`? |
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rubenwardy |
Damn it |
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srifqi |
eh? |
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srifqi |
what's wrong? |
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rubenwardy |
<srifqi> *too |
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rubenwardy |
I don't really understand how it works, that well. I'm not in the mood for writing at the moment. I'd welcome contributions |
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srifqi |
LOL |
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devmarth |
yo |
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w_laenger |
hi |
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Krock |
hi |
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w_laenger |
Can anyone help me with a mod? |
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Calinou |
don't ask to ask, just ask |
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w_laenger |
ok |
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w_laenger |
I edited the realclocks mod (https://github.com/HybridDog/realclocks) to do something if a clock is punched |
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w_laenger |
but it doesn't work |
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w_laenger |
I added a minetest.chat_send_all to the on_punch. But why does nothing happen when I punch it? |
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w_laenger |
maybe it's because I forgot one |
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ElectronLibre |
Can you paste the code in a pastebin? |
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w_laenger |
it's at github |
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srifqi |
w_laenger: the URL? |
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w_laenger |
https://github.com/HybridDog/realclocks |
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w_laenger |
I found the mistake myself |
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w_laenger |
I just forgot one of the clock nodes |
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w_laenger |
(actually 2 because of the materials) |
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srifqi |
okay, if you know now :D |
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srifqi |
feel free to ask! |
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w_laenger |
I've got another question. |
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Calinou |
http://google-opensource.blogspot.fr/2015/03/farewell-to-google-code.html |
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w_laenger |
How can I mirror using the view direction without having ignored/double mirrored nodes? |
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w_laenger |
https://github.com/HybridDog/nuke/blob/master/init.lua#L232 |
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w_laenger |
I use a table to approximately fix it but I would like to do it in a better way |
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w_laenger |
http://a.pomf.se/rxibdp.png |
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w_laenger |
a screenshot |
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w_laenger |
How can I mirror the nodes using the view direction without having ignored/double mirrored nodes? |
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Krock |
DMackey, ##fix_your_connection |
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w_laenger |
Krock, do crocodiles eat 😿s? |
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Krock |
w_laenger, ASCII please |
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w_laenger |
a 😿 is a cat |
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Calinou |
Emoji :D |
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Calinou |
=======😿 |
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Calinou |
nyan cat |
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Krock |
I don't see. I don't have all languages installed |
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Calinou |
!rainbow ============😿 |
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MinetestBot |
4===7===8===3===😿 |
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Krock |
!rainbow =======[:3] |
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MinetestBot |
4==7==8==3=[:36] |
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w_laenger |
!rainbow 🜀🜀🜀🜀🜀🜀🜀 |
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MinetestBot |
4🜀🜀7🜀🜀8🜀🜀3🜀 |
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ElectronLibre |
Wow, time to spam with bots... |
| 18:39 |
w_laenger |
it's just one |
| 18:40 |
Sokomine |
whtemple1959: use my moresnow mod. it has carpets that make it look like as if carpet and chair share the same spot. it works by the carpet beeing placed in the node above the chair. so you can have a table with a carpet sourrounding its feet, but if you put a lamp on the table, it won't work anymore |
| 18:40 |
Krock |
now canon :D |
| 18:40 |
Krock |
+s |
| 18:40 |
Sokomine |
yes, the snow canon might also be fun :-) |
| 18:40 |
Sokomine |
but the carpets also really work :-) |
| 18:42 |
Sokomine |
to a degree, that is. i might also have done carpets that'd have a side length of 3 and only have the middle part as the one where a real free spot would be required |
| 18:42 |
srifqi |
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| 18:42 |
MinetestBot |
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| 18:42 |
srifqi |
yay! |
| 18:42 |
* Sokomine |
hits minetestbot with a large trout |
| 18:42 |
srifqi |
Lorem ipsum |
| 18:42 |
srifqi |
hehehe |
| 18:42 |
Krock |
pls PM MTB or ##minetest-bot |
| 18:42 |
Sokomine |
or rather, srifqi |
| 18:42 |
Krock |
*##minetestbot |
| 18:43 |
Pilcrow |
Can I get a little help? I'm having trouble compiling minetest in an old laptop with 32-bit Chakra Linux (basically Arch). I know I'm missing something, but can't figure out what. http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=6mTLH7F9 |
| 18:43 |
Krock |
You miss Irrlicht typedefs |
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w_laenger |
ð“€ |
| 18:44 |
srifqi |
w_laenger what's that? |
| 18:44 |
srifqi |
another emoji? |
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| 18:45 |
w_laenger |
a man with a trout |
| 18:45 |
Pilcrow |
ok Krock. do you know how I can get them? AFAIK, all Arch packages have the -dev files included (i.e. there is no irrlicht-dev because normal irrlicht is also -dev) |
| 18:47 |
w_laenger |
I need to ask again: Krock, do crocodiles eat cats? |
| 18:47 |
Krock |
w_laenger, yes sure |
| 18:47 |
Krock |
Pilcrow, give me a minute |
| 18:47 |
Pilcrow |
ok, thank you |
| 18:48 |
w_laenger |
!help |
| 18:48 |
MinetestBot |
https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md |
| 18:49 |
Krock |
Pilcrow, irrTypes.h in irrlicht\include\ |
| 18:49 |
Krock |
I think you must specify the irrlicht include dir |
| 18:49 |
sfan5 |
w_laenger: is your gcc & irrlicht up to date |
| 18:50 |
w_laenger |
no, I have irrlicht 1.8.1 |
| 18:50 |
sfan5 |
irrlicht 1.8.1 is the latest version |
| 18:50 |
Krock |
latest stable. |
| 18:50 |
w_laenger |
I thought 1.9.1 was the newest one |
| 18:51 |
w_laenger |
ok |
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| 18:51 |
w_laenger |
so yes |
| 18:53 |
w_laenger |
http://paste.ubuntu.com/10586965/ |
| 18:53 |
Pilcrow |
eh, my Irrlicht's probably not up to date. now that I think about it, the last minetest I compiled on this old thing was like 0.4.6 :P |
| 18:54 |
Pilcrow |
thanks Krock and sfan5. I'll go try to compile a newer irrlicht now... :D |
| 18:54 |
Krock |
np |
| 18:55 |
w_laenger |
Maybe 1.9 doesn't have the transparency problem, which does not only appear in minetest |
| 18:55 |
sfan5 |
Pilcrow: you could just ask pacman for your irrlicht version |
| 18:56 |
w_laenger |
I still have this problem http://a.pomf.se/rxibdp.png |
| 18:56 |
Karlton |
irrlicht 1.8.1 is latest stable and 1.9.x is development version |
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| 18:56 |
Pilcrow |
well, this is a massively outdated distro because I haven't used this laptop in over a year, so I'd probably break something if pacman tried to pull in newer packages, lol |
| 18:58 |
Pilcrow |
btw, I've got a friend who still uses 0.4.8 on his server and refuses to upgrade. would the latest irrlicht still work with the old 0.4.8 source? I'd like to play with him on this laptop, haha. |
| 18:59 |
Krock |
You still can play with him |
| 18:59 |
Krock |
0.4.12 is backwards compatible |
| 18:59 |
Pilcrow |
oh. ok. cool, thanks Krock. that's awesome. |
| 19:00 |
Krock |
The awesomeness ends with 0.5.0 :) |
| 19:00 |
w_laenger |
why? |
| 19:01 |
Krock |
protocol changes |
| 19:01 |
VanessaE |
large parts of the network stack are being rewritten |
| 19:01 |
w_laenger |
I currently have a lag problem, some mod may cause it |
| 19:01 |
VanessaE |
it won't be compatible with 0.4.x |
| 19:01 |
w_laenger |
like freeminer? |
| 19:01 |
VanessaE |
idk about freeminer. |
| 19:01 |
w_laenger |
enet I think |
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nrzkt |
we will see in fact |
| 19:02 |
w_laenger |
because curl was slow |
| 19:02 |
w_laenger |
(in comparison to enet I think) |
| 19:03 |
nrzkt |
breaking or not breaking. keeping the compat will freeze breaking changes, but maybe add it in a last 0.4.13 release to prepare clients can be good, use the new stack parallel to the old and permit 0.4.13 clients to use it if possible |
| 19:03 |
nrzkt |
and in the 0.5 release in 6 months, 1 year after 0.4.13, we remove the old stack |
| 19:03 |
w_laenger |
why can't 0.5 support 0.4.12? |
| 19:04 |
nrzkt |
network layer will be redone to a cleaner way, more native, less minetest-handled protocol :) |
| 19:04 |
Krock |
w_laenger, to get rid of outdated android builds |
| 19:05 |
nrzkt |
Krock, i'm working on Android makefile atm, to check if we could use convert the build to cmake, which could be great :p |
| 19:05 |
Krock |
android supports cmake? |
| 19:05 |
Yves |
VanessaE: Calinou: All the hits you gave to me DO work very well - i honestly feel granted. Thx again. |
| 19:05 |
VanessaE |
cheers, Yves :) |
| 19:06 |
Yves |
VanessaE: one more question :) |
| 19:06 |
* VanessaE |
hides |
| 19:06 |
Yves |
what mod will fit the best with your texture pack to get very dark wood |
| 19:06 |
Yves |
more colors |
| 19:06 |
VanessaE |
in HDX, default jungle tree wood is already pretty dark |
| 19:07 |
VanessaE |
and there's also the coloredwood mod |
| 19:07 |
VanessaE |
it has a number of dark colors also |
| 19:07 |
VanessaE |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=32039 |
| 19:07 |
Yves |
thx - looking at this |
| 19:07 |
nrzkt |
cross compile support compile and makefile call compilers |
| 19:08 |
Jordach |
nrzkt, could we get at some point support for easier formspec construction |
| 19:08 |
nrzkt |
formspec are not my part |
| 19:08 |
Jordach |
ah, thanks |
| 19:08 |
Pilcrow |
heh, looks like irrlicht-svn 4055 is compiling right. hopefully that'll fix my minetest compiling problems. |
| 19:08 |
w_laenger |
you could use the formspec tables I think |
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Jordach |
http://a.pomf.se/xbvgwi.png ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
| 19:12 |
w_laenger |
I still don't know how to fix it http://a.pomf.se/rxibdp.png |
| 19:12 |
VanessaE |
Yves: also, homedecor modpack comes with building_blocks. that component has "hardwood", which is pretty dark |
| 19:13 |
Yves |
VanessaE: i got unified dyes and colored wood |
| 19:14 |
Yves |
i already installed homedecor earlier ;) |
| 19:14 |
VanessaE |
ok, then you're all set :) |
| 19:14 |
Yves |
looking at all that |
| 19:14 |
w_laenger |
do you think it makes sense if admins can change the time by rotating the clock arrow? |
| 19:15 |
VanessaE |
note that coloredwood does not show up in the creative inventory by default (it's not hard to change it). you have to craft its blocks using those dyes. |
| 19:15 |
Pilcrow |
Yves, I'm sure moretrees also has some interesting woods if you don't already have it ;) ...not sure about -dark- woods though |
| 19:16 |
Yves |
VanessaE: is moretrees will fit well with your texture pack? |
| 19:16 |
w_laenger |
do you need a script for generating tree textures? |
| 19:16 |
VanessaE |
Yves: yep, for the most part (acacia trees aren't in HDX I don't think) |
| 19:16 |
w_laenger |
I assume no, but I can still use it for myself. |
| 19:17 |
Yves |
thx Pilcrow and Vanessa |
| 19:17 |
VanessaE |
w_laenger: a script? for what? |
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| 19:17 |
w_laenger |
tree side textures |
| 19:17 |
VanessaE |
er.. |
| 19:17 |
w_laenger |
for gimp |
| 19:18 |
Pilcrow |
moretrees used to cause a lot of lag for me though. haven't tried it in a very long time. I think maybe my computer just didn't like all the leaves... :P |
| 19:18 |
VanessaE |
Pilcrow: lag != low fps *growl* |
| 19:18 |
Pilcrow |
ok, yes, low fps. sorry. |
| 19:18 |
VanessaE |
w_laenger: no scripts are involved or needed for tree textures in either my mods or HDX. |
| 19:18 |
Yves |
i got 66 matches for moretrees |
| 19:19 |
Yves |
have a suggestion witch one? |
| 19:19 |
w_laenger |
I know, you already have textures |
| 19:19 |
Pilcrow |
my friends and I tend to refer to low fps as 'client lag' as opposed to 'server lag' lol |
| 19:19 |
VanessaE |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4394 |
| 19:19 |
VanessaE |
that one, Yves |
| 19:19 |
Yves |
looking |
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rubenwardy |
VanessaE, it is lag if time passes between moving the mouse / pressing keys and a visual response |
| 19:20 |
w_laenger |
you need to wait some seconds for the image |
| 19:20 |
rubenwardy |
Ie, you move the mouse and it takes 1/10 of a second before the camera moves |
| 19:20 |
devmarth |
sfan5, you here? sorry to bother again |
| 19:20 |
sfan5 |
devmarth: yes |
| 19:20 |
devmarth |
which version of irrlicht do i need? |
| 19:20 |
rubenwardy |
But that only happens on really low FPSs |
| 19:20 |
VanessaE |
rubenwardy: that's input lag, not the same thing :P |
| 19:20 |
devmarth |
you said to get another version |
| 19:20 |
rubenwardy |
still lag |
| 19:20 |
devmarth |
and i originally had the newest, 1.8.1 |
| 19:21 |
sfan5 |
you don't need another version |
| 19:21 |
sfan5 |
just a different build |
| 19:22 |
sfan5 |
the one you use does not seem to work for your configuratiomn |
| 19:22 |
sfan5 |
try building irrlicht from source |
| 19:22 |
devmarth |
Okay. |
| 19:22 |
devmarth |
I'll get back to you to see if it works. |
| 19:23 |
devmarth |
Oh btw, buildbot grabs irrlicht, how would I make it use a build of irrlicht i got myself? |
| 19:27 |
devmarth |
nevermind lol\ |
| 19:27 |
* w_laenger |
is playing with the clock instead of using /time and it works |
| 19:27 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy, input lag is greatly increased when using V-Sync |
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Pilcrow |
ah, looks like compiling a newer irrlicht is all I needed for building minetest. it's like 40% done with no errors so far. thanks again, Krock and sfan5 |
| 19:30 |
Yves |
i intalled colored wood more dryes and moretrees - but in inventory in creative mode is still the same. Do i have to use dyes to color my wood? |
| 19:31 |
devmarth |
sfan5, still not working, maybe i did something else wrong. |
| 19:31 |
Calinou |
the group not_in_creative_inventory makes the stuff not appear in creative inventory |
| 19:31 |
Calinou |
Yves, did you enable the mod? |
| 19:31 |
devmarth |
you can find the error in the bugs section of the forums |
| 19:31 |
Calinou |
mods are not automatically enabled once installed |
| 19:31 |
Yves |
Yes i did |
| 19:31 |
Yves |
lemme look again |
| 19:32 |
sfan5 |
devmarth: can you pastebin the error again? |
| 19:32 |
devmarth |
Sure. |
| 19:34 |
devmarth |
sfan5; error is here, and the forum topic with a few replies that i dont understand are here: http://pastebin.com/J63GHGeH and http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11460 |
| 19:35 |
sfan5 |
devmarth: from where did you put the dlls into the folder? |
| 19:35 |
devmarth |
it compiled succesfully is what i mean, and when i run minetest.exe it says theres no dlls, so i moved all the dlls from minetests download into /bin |
| 19:35 |
Yves |
VanessaE: Reading back my console i got this : |
| 19:35 |
Yves |
ERROR[main]: mod "moretrees" has unsatisfied dependencies: "plants_lib" |
| 19:35 |
Yves |
15:32:22: ERROR[main]: The following mods could not be found: "awards" "carpet3d" "charcoal" "compassgps" "mccarpet" "pushable_block" "spawner" |
| 19:35 |
devmarth |
and it gave the error from the pastebin |
| 19:36 |
Pilcrow |
ah, crap. my minetest still failed to compile. got to like 82% and then it spit this out: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=MJ5Jp9FX |
| 19:36 |
VanessaE |
Yves: I don't know about all of those other, but plants_lib is: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3898 |
| 19:36 |
VanessaE |
Yves: BUT |
| 19:36 |
VanessaE |
Yves: please note that plantlife+moretrees will add mapgen lag to your world |
| 19:37 |
Pilcrow |
oh. hey. that was 0.4.8! I didn't even notice lol. I'mma try it with source that's -not- outdated now... :P |
| 19:37 |
Yves |
on the server only, right? |
| 19:38 |
VanessaE |
Yves: yes. and not too much, these days it's only at worst a second or so if you jave luajit, 2-3 seconds without |
| 19:38 |
devmarth |
sfan5, sorry if im being a bother haha :P |
| 19:38 |
sfan5 |
devmarth: "i moved all the dlls" |
| 19:39 |
sfan5 |
devmarth: the DLLs from where? |
| 19:39 |
VanessaE |
(internally the mod limits itself to 0.2 seconds max lag time, but the code being executed doesn't always keep to that) |
| 19:39 |
devmarth |
from minetests download |
| 19:39 |
sfan5 |
no wonder it did not work |
| 19:40 |
sfan5 |
you probably took the DLLs from the normal minetest build |
| 19:40 |
sfan5 |
that one if built with msvc |
| 19:40 |
sfan5 |
the DLLs for msvc don't work with stuff built by mingw |
| 19:40 |
devmarth |
Yeah, I did sfan5 |
| 19:40 |
sfan5 |
devmarth: you need to take the DLLs from the libraries the buildbot downloaded |
| 19:41 |
Pilcrow |
VanessaE, just curious, does moretrees use lvm or set_node? |
| 19:41 |
VanessaE |
Pilcrow: set_node |
| 19:42 |
VanessaE |
well |
| 19:42 |
VanessaE |
that's not strictly true :P |
| 19:42 |
Yves |
VanessaE: I believe i got it all. Thx again |
| 19:43 |
VanessaE |
it uses plants_lib for the hard work, which uses set_node for most things (including some of the sapling handling), but a tree being grown uses the spawn_tree() call, which internally to the engine involves some vmanip calls |
| 19:43 |
VanessaE |
Yves: no prob. |
| 19:44 |
devmarth |
OHHH, I see. What is the folder they are in sfan5? |
| 19:44 |
Pilcrow |
interesting. set_node is much easier to figure out, but I think I'm getting the gist of lvm. still not sure how to move the sea-level of a lvm mapgen up/down though, lol. |
| 19:44 |
sfan5 |
look into buildwin32.sh |
| 19:44 |
sfan5 |
it has the paths where the dlls are |
| 19:44 |
sfan5 |
at the bottom |
| 19:44 |
devmarth |
Okay, thanks a lot. You've been a great help. |
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Pilcrow |
awesome, minetest-git compiled correctly. is there a command I can use to clean the minetest directory of unneeded source files now? |
| 19:50 |
sfan5 |
Pilcrow: make clean |
| 19:56 |
Pilcrow |
uhh, thanks sfan5, but that seems to do the opposite of what I wanted. It got rid of the executable. I wanted something that gets rid of the Makefile, *.cmake, the src files, etc. and leave just a nice clean runnable minetest. |
| 19:57 |
sfan5 |
uhh |
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sfan5 |
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 19:57 |
sfan5 |
i swear this wasn't like this |
| 19:57 |
sfan5 |
make clean deleting the executable is stupid |
| 19:58 |
whodeadeyes |
trying to find a chan for apple products... what am I doing ehre |
| 19:58 |
sfan5 |
Pilcrow: do make package and extract the resulting package |
| 19:58 |
whodeadeyes |
s/here/ehre |
| 19:58 |
sfan5 |
whodeadeyes: maybe something like ##apple or ##iphone exists |
| 19:58 |
sfan5 |
no idea |
| 19:58 |
Krock |
whodeadeyes, you searched a game for your apple product |
| 19:58 |
whodeadeyes |
minetest on OS X? that is a far away dre-oh wait |
| 20:00 |
Pilcrow |
odd. well, I didn't actually -check- the bin folder before running make clean, but it was empty afterward, and the make -j2 before-hand had exited normally at 100%. I'll try other stuff, but I need to wait for it to compile again, lol |
| 20:00 |
Krock |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=42 if you haven't found it yet |
| 20:00 |
Krock |
##default:apple :3 |
| 20:00 |
whodeadeyes |
Krock: I know. |
| 20:00 |
whodeadeyes |
that's why I said "oh wait" |
| 20:01 |
Krock |
ah okay |
| 20:02 |
whodeadeyes |
guess apple sheeples don't have time for IRC |
| 20:02 |
whodeadeyes |
that said, how is minetest coming along? |
| 20:03 |
Krock |
it passed the 1337th starrer |
| 20:04 |
Krock |
oh well. 1408 already |
| 20:05 |
whodeadeyes |
the 1337 was 2much4Krock |
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whodeadeyes |
such ded chan |
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Pilcrow |
looks like my laptop overheated and died at like 90% done. now I've gotta compile minetest a third time... :P |
| 20:21 |
VanessaE |
put the laptop in the fridge :) |
| 20:23 |
Pilcrow |
nah, I just put a cooling pad under it. it shouldn't be overheating too bad; it has new Arctic Silver in it. but it's an HP. I've -never- had an hp that didn't suffer from ventilation problems... :P |
| 20:24 |
VanessaE |
heh |
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Pilcrow |
< is a computer repair guy. I've had my hands on a lot of poorly ventilated laptops. but then, aren't they all? :P |
| 20:26 |
* VanessaE |
looks at the old Mac iBook on her desk that doesn't work (bad hdd) |
| 20:27 |
VanessaE |
yep, not much room to get air in or out of this one either. of course, it's old as dirt ;0 |
| 20:27 |
VanessaE |
;) |
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Pilcrow |
heh, that thing probably didn't produce enough heat to -need- proper ventilation though, lol. |
| 20:28 |
VanessaE |
probably not. :) |
| 20:30 |
Pilcrow |
I've got a nice old Sony Vaio that's always kicking around here. 1.2Gig single-core, came with windows 2000. nice how those old things last. not like the new crap. |
| 20:31 |
Pilcrow |
it probably won't run minetest though, lol |
| 20:35 |
Karlton |
I like the hardware in my chromebook, although everything around it is super cheap plastic |
| 20:35 |
VanessaE |
I suppose this might be able to run MT and connect to my Vanilla server... I wonder how fast MT would run on a 300 MHz PPC 750? :) |
| 20:36 |
Pilcrow |
Karlton, chromebooks have ARM cpus, right? |
| 20:37 |
Karlton |
Pilcrow, it depends on the model. The one I have is a c720 which has an intel cpu |
| 20:37 |
Pilcrow |
ah, I just looked on wikipedia. I guess they can be intel |
| 20:38 |
Pilcrow |
if I got one I'd put linux on it though. chromeos is nothing to me. |
| 20:38 |
Karlton |
that is what I did :) |
| 20:42 |
Karlton |
the chromebook 13 uses the NVIDIA Tegra K1 board, so I am sure MT would run faster on it than intel |
| 20:42 |
Pilcrow |
well, gotta go do family stuff now. for those who'd like to know, minetest-git did compile correctly and is running on this computer, but yes, make clean does get rid of the executables. and leaves the source files where they are. opposite of what I wanted. |
| 20:44 |
Pilcrow |
oh wait, that chromebook uses the K1? aren't chromebooks relatively cheap though? that would probably be a great deal... :) |
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devmarth |
sfan5, it says im missing libgcc.dll (theres some text like _s_something after libgcc but i forget |
| 20:44 |
devmarth |
but i got every other dll |
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devmarth |
i think i was libgcc_s_sjlj-1.dll sfan5, or something similar |
| 20:46 |
Karlton |
Pilcrow, the c720 I got was 150 USD but I think the 13 model is 2x that price |
| 20:46 |
Pilcrow |
I assume you were talking about this. I want it. http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Chromebook-CB5-311-T7NN-13-3-inch-NVIDIA/dp/B00MHX6V88 |
| 20:47 |
Karlton |
http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Chromebook-CB5-311-T7NN-13-3-inch-NVIDIA/dp/B00MHX6V88 |
| 20:47 |
Karlton |
oops |
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Pilcrow |
haha |
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Pilcrow |
anyways, gotta go. |
| 20:47 |
Karlton |
yeah that one is almost as cheap |
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sfan5 |
devmarth: your mingw installation includes that dll somewhere |
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* Pilcrow |
is back |
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Thanks sfan5. |
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aka. me using reddit |
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Pilcrow |
does minetest not support loading a minetest.conf from a game folder any more? I know it used to be able to... |
| 22:35 |
Chanku |
Hey, I need a little help in setting up Minetest for my computer (I'm running Debian "Wheezy") |
| 22:35 |
est31 |
Chanku, just feel free ask |
| 22:35 |
est31 |
to* |
| 22:36 |
Chanku |
I just need help on installing the latest minetest... |
| 22:36 |
est31 |
ah that |
| 22:36 |
Chanku |
Yeah |
| 22:36 |
est31 |
you need to know how to install a ppa |
| 22:36 |
Chanku |
Well I mean I'm on the latest Debian Stable... |
| 22:37 |
Chanku |
Although I assume you mean to install the package from the Ubuntu Repo? |
| 22:37 |
Chanku |
Well repos |
| 22:37 |
est31 |
yes |
| 22:37 |
est31 |
ubuntu isnt poison |
| 22:37 |
est31 |
:) |
| 22:37 |
Chanku |
I already have tried that |
| 22:37 |
est31 |
you can use that repo too |
| 22:37 |
est31 |
and? |
| 22:37 |
Chanku |
Well there were dependencies that were required and I had some issues installing them |
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* est31 |
summons VanessaE |
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est31 |
Chanku, it should work in theory |
| 22:39 |
Chanku |
yeah in theory |
| 22:39 |
Chanku |
I ended up just uncommenting the repo |
| 22:39 |
Chanku |
although if you want I can try it agian |
| 22:39 |
est31 |
yes and post the error here |
| 22:39 |
est31 |
best to upload it to a pastebin and just the link here |
| 22:41 |
Chanku |
http://pastebin.com/HUHu38Dn |
| 22:41 |
Warr1024 |
ubuntu may not be poison, but it's not necessarily trivial to mix ubuntu with debian |
| 22:42 |
Warr1024 |
they tend to be a fair distance apart re: dependency versions. |
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Chanku |
Yeah Ik |
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Warr1024 |
personally, I find building from source works quite well, once you've gotten over the hump of figuring out exactly what options/dependencies you need to setup first. |
| 22:43 |
Warr1024 |
exactly how, though, can sometimes be rather specific to your own setup... |
| 22:43 |
Chanku |
I tried the 1-line script |
| 22:43 |
Chanku |
but it didn't seem to work |
| 22:43 |
Warr1024 |
yeah, in principle, cmake . && make should work-ish |
| 22:43 |
Warr1024 |
I usually compile -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1... |
| 22:44 |
Warr1024 |
there are often a number of cmake options you need to pass if cmake has a hard time finding things you want (or not finding things you don't want) |
| 22:45 |
Warr1024 |
I'm also on Wheezy, and I had to manually find the freetype lib and pass it to cmake, no idea why... |
| 22:45 |
Chanku |
Ah |
| 22:45 |
Warr1024 |
oh, I also had to hack link.txt, after it's made by cmake, and add the location for librt manually... |
| 22:45 |
Warr1024 |
...though I can't remember whether that's to build on Debian or OpenBSD. |
| 22:46 |
Warr1024 |
I use the same script for both. |
| 22:46 |
Chanku |
Eh sometimes little annoyances like this make me consider switching back to windows |
| 22:46 |
Chanku |
Then I remember why I swapped in the first place...(which was about two weeks ago) |
| 22:46 |
est31 |
Chanku, then perhaps chose arch linux |
| 22:46 |
T4im |
but why would you switch little annoyances for big annoyances? :o |
| 22:46 |
Chanku |
Well tbh I was fine with Windows 7 |
| 22:47 |
est31 |
or install ubuntu |
| 22:47 |
Chanku |
Eh I prefer Debian... |
| 22:47 |
Chanku |
I've tried Ubuntu before |
| 22:47 |
est31 |
my main reason for having ubuntu is its large install base |
| 22:47 |
Chanku |
but eh... |
| 22:47 |
est31 |
why |
| 22:47 |
Chanku |
well a few reasons |
| 22:47 |
Chanku |
a few decisions my Canonical |
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est31 |
like |
| 22:48 |
Chanku |
and also I don't really like systemd |
| 22:48 |
Warr1024 |
Debian is generally more conservative. That has its ups and downs. |
| 22:48 |
T4im |
est31: as someone security affine you use ubuntu? O_o isn't that the one that sends your local searches to amazon and stuff? |
| 22:48 |
alket |
not anymore |
| 22:48 |
alket |
it was so 2013 |
| 22:48 |
est31 |
T4im, only if you use unity |
| 22:49 |
est31 |
who sais I do that |
| 22:49 |
est31 |
never understood that stuff |
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* est31 |
is a kde user |
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* Chanku |
prefers LXDE |
| 22:49 |
Warr1024 |
I started out on ubu as well, and similarly moved to deb. |
| 22:49 |
est31 |
unity is bs like gnome 3 |
| 22:49 |
est31 |
(for my taste) |
| 22:49 |
raymondillo |
unity is ok once you turn all the spyware off. :) |
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* alket |
kde |
| 22:49 |
Warr1024 |
for me it was a combination of the fact that I hated unity and that xubuntu was really bloated |
| 22:49 |
Pilcrow |
I haven't liked the *buntus since 8.04... I'll stick with arch, lol |
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Chanku |
I choose Debian because it seemed nice and stable, plus no systemd as well... |
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Pilcrow |
I hear systemd is coming to debian though? |
| 22:50 |
est31 |
why do you hate systemd so much? |
| 22:51 |
raymondillo |
Chanku: systemd on its way to debian. |
| 22:51 |
Warr1024 |
I'd be surprised if there will be anywhere you can really avoid systemd indefinitly |
| 22:51 |
Chanku |
It is coming in "Jessy" (8.0) but Devuan is my next switch |
| 22:51 |
est31 |
Its not that I like it, especially the rush, but it won't cause me to install windows again |
| 22:51 |
Chanku |
(Devuan is a Debian fork desined to be systemd-less) |
| 22:52 |
Pilcrow |
I don't like systemd either. it's too big and does too many things for its own good. goes against the linux philosophy of 'do one thing and do it well'... plus if it crashes it takes down the whole system... |
| 22:52 |
Chanku |
^ That |
| 22:53 |
Warr1024 |
Linux users may just have to learn to live with systemd; so far, there are treatments available, but there doesn't seem to be a cure... |
| 22:53 |
Chanku |
Well there's Uselessd |
| 22:53 |
Karlton |
gentoo or just build from scratch |
| 22:53 |
Chanku |
Essentially Systemd designed to be logical |
| 22:54 |
Warr1024 |
And of course there are the BSD's, but that's quite a departure compared to an ubu->deb distrohop. |
| 22:54 |
ShadowNinja |
Pilcrow: Agreed. So far it's worked A+, but any bugs can cause bigger issues that they should. |
| 22:54 |
raymondillo |
If enough users hate systemd it will be rolled back by the distros eventually. (even after its taken over the world.) |
| 22:55 |
Warr1024 |
meh, they'll probably just fix it up and people will accept it. |
| 22:55 |
Chanku |
The only reason why systemd has become so big is because of the push the developers have, and the fact that they do add things for other developers to use |
| 22:55 |
Warr1024 |
many of the risks are important if you're running a server, but end-users aren't too un-used-to having to reboot for weird reasons (many self-inflicted). |
| 22:55 |
ShadowNinja |
raymondillo: your average user probably won't care, it's just some hackers that will have an issue with it. |
| 22:56 |
Pilcrow |
well, it's true that sysvinit was/is in need of replacement, I just don't think systemd is a change for the better. seeing as how there are so many who feel the same, I'd guess we'll have a decent replacement in the next few years and everyone will be ditching systemd again, lol |
| 22:56 |
raymondillo |
Have to admit I disliked unity for 2 years, now I have modified my workstream and would miss unity. |
| 22:57 |
Warr1024 |
The whole thing mystifies me; I'm coming from mostly an OpenBSD background, and they only added rc.d a couple years ago; before that, it was a monolithic /etc/rc. |
| 22:57 |
Chanku |
Well I mean there are a few alternatives to systemd |
| 22:57 |
Chanku |
like uselessd... |
| 22:58 |
Chanku |
which is a fork of systemd trying to make it a bit more...sane...and strips it down into just an init system |
| 22:58 |
est31 |
systemd implements alot of useful APIs, but it also has weird design descisions like glibc only |
| 22:58 |
ShadowNinja |
Chanku: You just said that! |
| 22:58 |
est31 |
also this binary logging thing was done wrongly |
| 22:58 |
Chanku |
Oh yeah sorry ShadowNinja... |
| 22:58 |
Pilcrow |
Warr1024, I've got no experience with BSD, aside from downloading a few FreeBSD isos every now and then to check them out. I've still found no reason to switch away from Arch... :P |
| 22:59 |
raymondillo |
Warr1024: BSD has more sanity checked than other *nix before significant changes I guess. :) |
| 22:59 |
est31 |
but BSD has an even smaller userbase than gnu+linux has. |
| 23:00 |
Warr1024 |
well, BSD's tend to put less emphasis on userbase size to begin with... |
| 23:00 |
Warr1024 |
they're more about the software than the social movement. |
| 23:00 |
est31 |
but having an userbase helps alot in many cases |
| 23:00 |
Pilcrow |
there is an ArchBSD that tries to imitate Arch Linux though. looks interesting, but I'm not sure how well it would work... |
| 23:01 |
est31 |
like google-indexed QA sites where most problems have a solution |
| 23:01 |
Warr1024 |
I've heard of a few projects to make weird hybrids of BSD and GNU, but they always end up seeming like someone's garage frankenstein project... :-/ |
| 23:01 |
Warr1024 |
est31: in the GNU world, forums are your friend, while in the BSD world, manpages are. |
| 23:02 |
Chanku |
TBH I've thought about trying out FreeBSD |
| 23:02 |
Warr1024 |
if you've got the time and energy, it's not a bad idea to try out a lot of things. |
| 23:02 |
est31 |
also you will be one of the first people who try your exact hw combination |
| 23:02 |
Pilcrow |
yeah, that's kinda what I figured. ArchBSD looks -interesting- but not exactly great. GhostBSD looks pretty good though. and FreeBSD itself doesn't look half bad. |
| 23:03 |
est31 |
driver situation is already shitty for linux |
| 23:03 |
est31 |
why should it be better for BSD |
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Warr1024 |
in my experience, driver situation is better on BSD. |
| 23:03 |
est31 |
I've heard there are BSD variants that support linux drivers |
| 23:03 |
Chanku |
^ |
| 23:03 |
Karlton |
only thing I would replace Linux with is Hurd... |
| 23:03 |
Warr1024 |
if you get a piece of oddball hardware on linux, it'll detect, but not work right. |
| 23:03 |
Warr1024 |
try that on BSD, and it won't even detect, so you'll know that it won't work up-front :-) |
| 23:04 |
est31 |
lol |
| 23:04 |
Warr1024 |
frankly, though I didn't end up liking FreeBSD. |
| 23:04 |
Warr1024 |
ironically. |
| 23:04 |
Warr1024 |
I liked OpenBSD > Linux > FreeBSD |
| 23:04 |
Warr1024 |
and within the GNU/Linux world, Debian > Ubuntu |
| 23:05 |
Warr1024 |
so basically I liked the conservative distros that made changes very carefully over the more avante-garde ones that try crazy experimental stuff |
| 23:05 |
Warr1024 |
which is why trying Arch is low on my priority list. |
| 23:05 |
Warr1024 |
ultimately it tends to come down to a matter of personal style. |
| 23:05 |
Pilcrow |
eh, I'm not a FLOSS-only kinda guy, so I think I'd miss too many things going to OpenBSD. |
| 23:05 |
Warr1024 |
Pilcrow: even I haven't been able to abandon non-OpenBSD systems completely, and I AM a FLOSS-only kinda guy. |
| 23:05 |
ShadowNinja |
Warr1024: Can't beat security through obsolete software! ;-P |
| 23:06 |
Pilcrow |
lol |
| 23:06 |
Chanku |
Hey so um...anyone actually wanna help me setup minetest on my system...because I have little idea of what I'm actually doing... |
| 23:06 |
Warr1024 |
upgrading to the latest version of software is a great way to fix the three security bugs they found since the last release, but also a good way to install the eight they added since then. |
| 23:07 |
Pilcrow |
I think Darwin is BSD-based. not that I'd ever go for Mac OS... :P |
| 23:07 |
Warr1024 |
macs are not very unix-ey. |
| 23:07 |
Karlton |
There are BSD's that carry free software only philosophy? |
| 23:07 |
Warr1024 |
Karlton: IIRC Open > Net > Free when it comes to strictness over free-only policy. |
| 23:07 |
Chanku |
Although BSD's are more unixy than Linux due to BSD's being derived from Unix directly IIRC... |
| 23:08 |
est31 |
BSD is non-free |
| 23:08 |
est31 |
its all BSD licensed |
| 23:08 |
est31 |
no copyleft |
| 23:08 |
Warr1024 |
well, when I say "unixy" I mean either "gnu-ey" or "bsd-ey", interchangeably, as compared to, say "windowsey" or "maccy" |
| 23:08 |
est31 |
it can be locked down any moment |
| 23:08 |
Warr1024 |
est31: huh? |
| 23:08 |
est31 |
just like llvm |
| 23:08 |
Warr1024 |
it can't be locked down |
| 23:09 |
T4im |
not copyleft is not non-free :D in fact its more-free, permissivly free ;) |
| 23:09 |
Karlton |
copyleft is just there to protect freedom |
| 23:09 |
Warr1024 |
once something has been licensed under free terms, it remains that way perpetually |
| 23:09 |
Warr1024 |
you could theoretically release a new version with new non-free terms, but the old version under the old terms doesn't magically stop existing. |
| 23:09 |
est31 |
yes thats what I mean |
| 23:09 |
Warr1024 |
copyleft is there to ensure that downstream users are required to give back to the community. |
| 23:09 |
est31 |
somebody may take the code an make it proprietary |
| 23:10 |
Warr1024 |
they can make a proprietary competitor to the product, but they can't seal the original code up that way. |
| 23:10 |
T4im |
which doesn't mean it's a danger to protect from in all cases :) |
| 23:10 |
Warr1024 |
GNU's philosophy is that if you want to benefit from the community, you have to pay back if you make improvements. |
| 23:10 |
est31 |
your code will always remain free |
| 23:10 |
Pilcrow |
I believe in all freedoms, including the freedom for a developer to decide -not- to release the source. therefore, I tend to avoid floss-only distros. |
| 23:10 |
Warr1024 |
BSD's philosophy is "just go ahead and TRY to make a proprietary fork, we'll compete with you on our own terms and win anyway." |
| 23:11 |
Warr1024 |
Pilcrow: you mean GPL-only, or any FLOSS-only, including BSD? |
| 23:11 |
Chanku |
Hell I mean I've looked at possibly doing a little bit of modding in minetest and I would probably license my stuff it with the MIT license... which is a form of the BSD license IIRC |
| 23:12 |
Karlton |
Pilcrow, the freedom to take away freedom? ;) |
| 23:12 |
Warr1024 |
yeah, I use MIT or ISC, myself. MIT is more popular and more easily recognized, though ISC is a BIT less wordy. |
| 23:12 |
Chanku |
I mean hell |
| 23:12 |
Warr1024 |
Karlton: freedom cannot be taken away like that. |
| 23:12 |
Chanku |
Anything I work on I do under the MIT license |
| 23:12 |
Pilcrow |
Warr1024: I'm speaking mostly of GPL I guess, but in general I don't like distros that avoid useful apps just because they are 'non-free'... |
| 23:13 |
Chanku |
Hell only two things I've ever worked on aren't MIT licensed |
| 23:13 |
Chanku |
One is using the GPL 2.0 and one the LGPL 3.0 |
| 23:13 |
Warr1024 |
most distros that are "free-only" use a particular definition of "free" and tend to accept things that are at least as free, but also things that are more permissive. |
| 23:13 |
Pilcrow |
Chanku, the only advice I have would be to compile minetest yourself. it's a little daunting, but if you get luaJIT and libIrrlicht-dev installed it shouldn't be too difficult... I always roll my own minetest binaries... :D |
| 23:13 |
Chanku |
and I only actually got to choose the LGPL one... |
| 23:14 |
Chanku |
Pilcrow...um how would I compile it? (Again I'm only about two weeks linux convert at this point :/) |
| 23:14 |
Karlton |
Pilcrow, Arch is non-free by default |
| 23:14 |
Warr1024 |
Chanku: first get the source from github; use git clone. |
| 23:14 |
Pilcrow |
yes, Karlton, that is a freedom as well. developers should be able to -choose- weather to release their source or not, without being looked down upon for deciding to be closed-source. |
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Warr1024 |
Chanku: then cd to your mt dir and "cmake ." |
| 23:15 |
ShadowNinja |
Chanku: Install deps, git clone, cmake, make make install. |
| 23:15 |
Warr1024 |
Chanku: er, how comfortable are you with the *n*x command line? comfort in this area will tend to help you out with a LOT of things... |
| 23:15 |
Chanku |
I mean I'm somewhat comfortable in it |
| 23:15 |
Warr1024 |
there's a pretty decent README in the git root, IIRC. |
| 23:15 |
Chanku |
although I'm getting an issue with cmake... |
| 23:15 |
Warr1024 |
it did not lead me astray. |
| 23:16 |
Chanku |
It says command not found... |
| 23:16 |
Warr1024 |
cmake is a dependency, you'll have to install it |
| 23:16 |
Karlton |
Arch doesn't include a deblobed kernel, free ffmpeg, etc afiak |
| 23:16 |
Warr1024 |
some dependencies are only for building |
| 23:17 |
Pilcrow |
I use arch though. I like the fact that everything's a dev package, so it's really easy to compile stuff |
| 23:17 |
Warr1024 |
"free-only" vs "non-free" is actually kind of an ambiguous issue, since there's the FSF definition, but a lot of distros/OS's tweak the definition for their own purposes. |
| 23:18 |
Warr1024 |
for instance, OpenBSD considers GPL "not free enough for base" but they package GCC in the "optional" compiler dist, and they don't allow blobs on main processor (only AFTER OS loads, though, so BIOS exempt) but they do allow uploadable firmware. |
| 23:19 |
Chanku |
Okay I'm getting errors with cmake |
| 23:19 |
est31 |
GPL is free |
| 23:19 |
Warr1024 |
Free-only-by-default, with the OPTION to go non-free if you must, is kind of nice to have, though... |
| 23:19 |
est31 |
bsd is open |
| 23:20 |
Warr1024 |
est31: the difference between "open source" and "free sofware" is purely one of marketing; inside the package, they're the same, and they just tried that "open" stuff to trick the proprietary world into buying in. |
| 23:20 |
Warr1024 |
Chanku: got a pastebin? |
| 23:20 |
Chanku |
http://pastebin.com/dH06TWAR |
| 23:21 |
est31 |
Warr1024, the difference is copyleft |
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| 23:21 |
Karlton |
Warr1024: This isn't true, open source project like Linux itself require you to remove non-free blobs in them |
| 23:22 |
Karlton |
because open source does not care about the free software philosophy |
| 23:22 |
Warr1024 |
Karlton: I think you're confusing "linux" and "linux." :-) |
| 23:22 |
Warr1024 |
linux is a kernel, which is part of GNU, which is part of what people usually call "linux", which usually includes various other software, much of it not really GNU. |
| 23:23 |
Karlton |
there is only one Linux and it is a kernel |
| 23:23 |
Karlton |
the operating system is called GNU but you can call it GNU/Linux if you want |
| 23:23 |
Chanku |
um... |
| 23:24 |
Karlton |
the kernel is GPL but contains non-free firmware which has to be deblobed |
| 23:24 |
Karlton |
which is a failure of premissive licenses |
| 23:24 |
Warr1024 |
Karlton: really? I thought those were integrated separately by the distros. |
| 23:24 |
Warr1024 |
IIRC, though, Linus isn't a big fan of the GPL. |
| 23:25 |
Chanku |
He also hates the GPL 3.0 |
| 23:25 |
Karlton |
We call the debloded kernel Linux-libre |
| 23:26 |
Warr1024 |
I tend to license my software as MIT or ISC, but I guess I just don't feel the need to conscript my users into the Revolution as a condition of their using the stuff. |
| 23:26 |
Warr1024 |
If you don't like it, you can always download the stuff, relicense it under GPL, and redistribute it. |
| 23:26 |
Warr1024 |
all you need to keep is the attribution, pretty much :-) |
| 23:27 |
Warr1024 |
is there a GPL4 yet? |
| 23:27 |
est31 |
no |
| 23:27 |
Karlton |
http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/index.en.html |
| 23:28 |
Karlton |
that is the kernel used by all the free GNU/Linux distros |
| 23:29 |
Pilcrow |
I still haven't found a license I -really- like, for releasing my own stuff. even wtfpl requires a name-change, which I don't care about. :P |
| 23:29 |
Warr1024 |
hm, that's odd, I figured it wasn't possible to distribute a non-free linux kernel under the GPL. |
| 23:29 |
Chanku |
TBH I use MIT because I really don't care what anyone does with what I make |
| 23:29 |
Warr1024 |
any license terms or NDA necessary to get those included blobs would poison the kernel license. |
| 23:29 |
Chanku |
besides most of my projects are small anyways. |
| 23:29 |
Warr1024 |
Chanku: yeah, that's largely how I've handled it too. |
| 23:30 |
Warr1024 |
I can't see your pastebin, stupid website blocking my proxy... |
| 23:30 |
Chanku |
Damn... |
| 23:30 |
Warr1024 |
I think I've had good luck with pastebin.ubuntu.com |
| 23:31 |
Chanku |
http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10588226/ |
| 23:31 |
Chanku |
Also if anyone wants I can post a link to my github account. Even though it contains little useful projects |
| 23:32 |
est31 |
Chanku, have you installed openal? |
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| 23:32 |
Chanku |
openal? |
| 23:32 |
est31 |
sound lib |
| 23:33 |
est31 |
also, you will need irrlicht |
| 23:33 |
est31 |
both the dev versions |
| 23:33 |
Warr1024 |
IIRC, the whole "BSD vs. GNU" debate was already soundly resolved in xkcd #747 anyway. |
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| 23:33 |
Pilcrow |
looks like you need irrlicht and openal development packages. not sure what they're called in debian. probably something like libirrlicht-dev and libopenal-dev |
| 23:34 |
Chanku |
alright |
| 23:34 |
thefamilygrog66 |
howdy folks |
| 23:34 |
Pilcrow |
hello thefamilygrog66 |
| 23:36 |
Chanku |
okay |
| 23:36 |
Chanku |
I used aptitude to install them... |
| 23:36 |
thefamilygrog66 |
when registering an entity, is it necessary to define its initial properties using initial_properties = { blah blah}, or can I just state those properties at the beginning? |
| 23:36 |
thefamilygrog66 |
It seems to work if I just do the latter, but want to make sure that's okay. |
| 23:37 |
Warr1024 |
IIRC "properties" are those that go on the object, not the internal lua entity, so they're separate...? |
| 23:37 |
Warr1024 |
unless they changed the API since last I looked. |
| 23:38 |
Warr1024 |
I'm fair sure lua_api.txt is authoritative, though |
| 23:38 |
Warr1024 |
and the wiki may be out of date. |
| 23:38 |
Pilcrow |
Chanku: you may also want to look for something called luajit, luajit-dev, libluajit, libluajit-dev, etc. not sure what it'd be called in debian, but it helps minetest run mods faster. |
| 23:38 |
Chanku |
Alright so I tried to use cmake again and I got this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10588258/ |
| 23:38 |
Warr1024 |
more deps |
| 23:39 |
Warr1024 |
vorbis this time |
| 23:39 |
Warr1024 |
if it's asking for *, try sudo apt-get install lib*-dev |
| 23:39 |
Warr1024 |
if that doesn't work, well, I usually open up synaptic and try the search features in there... :-/ |
| 23:39 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Chanku, or just type: |
| 23:39 |
thefamilygrog66 |
sudo apt-get install build-essential cmake git libirrlicht-dev libbz2-dev libgettextpo-dev libfreetype6-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg8-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libsqlite3-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev libhiredis-dev |
| 23:39 |
Warr1024 |
ah, nice |
| 23:40 |
thefamilygrog66 |
http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest |
| 23:40 |
Warr1024 |
oh, yeah, I'm an idiot, that was in the README. |
| 23:40 |
thefamilygrog66 |
hehe |
| 23:40 |
Warr1024 |
ln README SHOULDHAVEREADME |
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| 23:41 |
Pilcrow |
ah, I didn't realise vorbis was required too. missed that. |
| 23:42 |
Karlton |
Warr1024: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tree/master/firmware everything in there non-free software displayed as hex code |
| 23:43 |
Karlton |
the GPL does not cover the firmware at all |
| 23:43 |
Pilcrow |
hey, can anyone tell me if there's a way to grant players a new priv in minetest.register_on_joinplayer? |
| 23:44 |
Pilcrow |
I want to auto-grant all players 'fast' |
| 23:44 |
thefamilygrog66 |
not just when they first join, Pilcrow? |
| 23:44 |
thefamilygrog66 |
(i.e. in the minetest.conf file) |
| 23:46 |
Pilcrow |
well, basically I want to make one of my games override the minetest.conf file so I don't screw up other games. I want to make a mod that grants players 'fast' and reassigns the movement_speed_fast value to like 7. |
| 23:47 |
Chanku |
New error... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10588295/ |
| 23:47 |
est31 |
Pilcrow, better do that in lua code |
| 23:48 |
Warr1024 |
Pilcrow: more useful might be a simple mod that lets you override minetest.conf settings with game-specific or world-specific settings... |
| 23:48 |
Warr1024 |
actually, isn't world.mt a config file too? |
| 23:48 |
Karlton |
http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10588295/ |
| 23:48 |
Karlton |
oops |
| 23:48 |
est31 |
Pilcrow, minetest.set_player_privs |
| 23:48 |
Warr1024 |
opengl missing? really? that can happen? |
| 23:49 |
est31 |
game != world |
| 23:49 |
Pilcrow |
Warr1024: that's pretty much what I want to do; a game-specific (not world-specific) override for the fastmove stuff. |
| 23:49 |
Warr1024 |
if you want to do it for a game-type, a custom mod sounds like the way to go |
| 23:50 |
Warr1024 |
you could make it look for another config file, if you wanted it to be generic and redistributable, or you could just hard-code it for your needs and move on. |
| 23:50 |
Pilcrow |
minetest used to be able to load a custom minetest.conf file from the game folder, but it doesn't seem to do that any more... |
| 23:50 |
Warr1024 |
(in your case, hard-code it and fast_move on, *rimshot*) |
| 23:51 |
est31 |
Pilcrow, I don't know about old behaviour, but you can specify the minetest.conf with the CLI params |
| 23:55 |
* VanessaE |
peeks in |
| 23:55 |
Karlton |
Pilcrow, minetestserver --config doesn't work? |
| 23:56 |
Chanku |
Hey Um...so anyone wanna help me with my missing opengl apparently... |
| 23:56 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Chanku, did you copy/paste that dependencies thing I posted above? |
| 23:57 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Pilcrow, maybe something like this? |
| 23:57 |
thefamilygrog66 |
http://pastie.org/10021981 |
| 23:57 |
Karlton |
Chanku, do you have mesa installed? |
| 23:58 |
Chanku |
it says that I have libglapi-mesa... |
| 23:58 |
est31 |
no mese without mesa |
| 23:58 |
est31 |
:P |
| 23:58 |
Chanku |
anywho aptitude reports it as installed... |
| 23:59 |
Karlton |
does it say which version? |
