Time  Nick            Message
00:08 ekem            anyone tried running minetest of a 2GB vps yet?
00:09 ekem            or even a 1GB, mainly for testing
00:34 Jordach         ekem, my i run two servers on 1gb + 2 cores
00:34 Jordach         runs fine with lag average down to 0.1-0.3 seconds
00:35 Warr1024        how good is redis as a storage back-end for MT?
00:35 Warr1024        compared to, say, sqlite or leveldb?
00:49 Warr1024        oh, shit, it looks like this thing doesn't support a lot of options
00:49 Warr1024        passwords and unix-domain sockets are conspicuously absent
00:59 stormchaser3000 hi
01:25 ekem            thanks Jordach
01:26 devmarth        sfan5, you here?
01:27 devmarth        I tried compiling for Windows again and I got the error "The procedure entry point _ZN3irr4core14IdentityMatrixE could not be found located in the dynamic link library Irrlicht.dll"
02:08 MinetestBot     02[git] 04Uberi -> 03Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Merge pull request #76 from est31/fixserialisation 13https:/ http://git.io/p6Oh (152015-03-11T22:08:32-04:00)
02:08 MinetestBot     02[git] 04est31 -> 03Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Load first node too with LuaJIT 13https:/ http://git.io/p6Oj (152015-03-12T02:40:19+01:00)
02:42 MinetestBot     02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: Mgv5/mgv7: Add desert temples if desert stone detected in mapchunk 136ce0985 http://git.io/p6Cj (152015-03-12T02:33:16Z)
03:10 Pilcrow         looks pretty silent here. anyone wanna help me compile minetest on an old linux laptop?  :P
06:40 sfan5           devmarth: try using a different Irrlicht version/build
06:41 sfan5           WarrTab: redis is faster because it stores everything in RAM
06:41 sfan5           WarrTab: this makes sense if you have enough RAM
06:42 VanessaE        that begs the question, what if the kernel's OOM killer nails minetest (e.g. due to a memory leak)?
06:42 VanessaE        (Obviously that doesn't touch the redis server, I'm just thinking of the datastream between the two)
08:45 EnB             hello...
08:45 EnB             is everybody *afk?
09:33 MinetestBot     02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Don't handle PlayerPos packet coming from client if player is dead 133067d78 http://git.io/pi0V (152015-03-12T10:32:16+01:00)
09:46 JamesTait       Good morning all; happy World Kidney Day! :-D
10:44 mazal           hi everyone , I build a glass room underwater , but now how do I get the water out of the cube at the inside that is already there ?
10:45 Dartmouth       You need to fill it with blocks and then dig them away again. You could also use worldedit, but I'm not sure of the command
10:50 mazal           ah , will try that thanx
10:59 devmarth        sfan5, the current Irrlicht version is the newest 1.8.1, should I get an older one? and if so, which one?
11:12 EnB             ive got a problem to run minetestserver. http://pastebin.com/YGcunDx1 . Does anyone knows how to fix this?
11:15 devmarth        Create a world EnB
11:16 devmarth        bbl
11:17 MinetestBot     02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: handleCommand_Breath mustn't update breath is player is dead. A dead player doesn't breath. 13afb19f3 http://git.io/piFG (152015-03-12T11:27:28+01:00)
12:45 srifqi          what will happen if i join a channel that doesn't exist?
12:54 alket           srifqi: in minetest ?
12:55 srifqi          alket: no, in irc
12:55 alket           it will be empy,  and chanserv will join, you can register that channel on your name
13:06 rfree_prox      srifqi, the world will sigsegv
13:06 srifqi          sigsegv?
13:09 exio4           segfault
13:10 exio4           alket: no, if it is empty chanserv won't join
15:14 Jordach         nrzkt and hmmmmm: fight fight! kiss kiss
15:14 Jordach         (exactly how i see things(
15:46 Yves            How to change my server pass plz?
15:48 VanessaE        sign onto the server with your old pass
15:48 VanessaE        press ESC
15:48 VanessaE        use the "change password" option in that menu.
16:01 Yves            Vanessa Hi
16:01 Yves            k i try it
16:06 Yves            VanessaE: I change my pass (that was nothing) and it works.  But my client entered without pass...  Have an idea?
16:07 Yves            som1 told me about minetest.conf
16:07 Yves            but i didnt find a line about pass since i had none
16:07 VanessaE        I'm not sure
16:07 Yves            sorry im lost again :/
16:07 VanessaE        you can configure a server not to require a password, but singleplayer never requires one anyway
16:09 Yves            Maybe i should hit the Public box?
16:10 Yves            i cant log without my pass but clients can...
16:10 MinetestBot     02[git] 04SmallJoker -> 03minetest/minetest: Update Indonesian Language 137c19933 http://git.io/pXoM (152015-03-12T17:08:08+01:00)
16:22 Yves            VanessaE: Will i have to make a program looking at my console to tell me if unauthorized logs on?
16:22 VanessaE        it
16:22 VanessaE        it'll be in your logs.
16:23 VanessaE        you'll see notifications there about people trying to use the wrong password
16:23 Yves            then i can ban
16:23 Yves            right?
16:23 VanessaE        are you familiar with the tool called "fail2ban"?
16:23 Yves            But my client can log without password!!!
16:24 VanessaE        you have to configure your server to require passwords.
16:24 Yves            how?
16:24 Yves            plz
16:24 VanessaE        disallow_empty_password = true
16:24 VanessaE        set this in your server's minetest.conf
16:24 VanessaE        then restart.
16:25 Yves            Cauz of parental control that will finance our projet (5$ per month) ;)
16:25 Yves            Trying this
16:25 VanessaE        as for fail2ban, in short, it works at the OS level, and firewalls an IP after several failed ssh login attempts.  It's not for minetest, so you will need to write a mod for Minetest that does the same sort of thing.
16:26 Yves            about fail2ban...  i averagely see.  thx.  But one think at a time plz.  Im an old man.  Looking for disallow_empty_password = true
16:26 Yves            :)
16:27 VanessaE        there's the xban mod for minetest.  an extension for that to do what you want might be a good idea actually.
16:29 VanessaE        (that's assuming minetest will let you trap a failed password)
16:36 Calinou         to require a default password, use default_password = Tux
16:36 Calinou         replace Tux with the desired password
16:37 Calinou         all new clients will have to use that password
16:37 Tux[Qyou]       but tux is the best password
16:46 Yves            Calinou: for old clients?  How to remove them?
16:47 Calinou         strict_protocol_version_checking = true
16:47 Calinou         disallows players with older protocols
16:47 Calinou         (protocol ≠ version)
16:47 Calinou         for instance, 0.4.11 clients will still be able to connect to a 0.4.12 server, because the protocol hasn't changed
16:47 Yves            testing
16:51 srifqi          what is your "default" search engine?
16:57 Calinou         DuckDuckGo
16:57 srifqi          DuckDuckGo?
16:58 Calinou         http://ddg.gg
16:58 srifqi          Calinou: from what country?
16:58 Calinou         is hosted in Ireland
16:58 Calinou         I'm in France
16:58 srifqi          oh, from Europe
16:59 exio4           default search engine where
17:02 srifqi          exio4: in your "default" web browser
17:03 exio4           oh, I thought you were asking a minetest question
17:04 srifqi          no, it's not
17:15 Yves            Calinou: Doesnt work Calinou.  Sorry.  Im now the only one who have to enter my pass, out of new clients.  But if i ban my clients...  Will they have to create back their hero then pass will be forced?
17:15 Yves            is that english?  (sorry im french)
17:16 Calinou         exisiting clients are not affected by default password
17:16 Calinou         so you must remove their account by deleting the corresponding entry in the world's auth.txt
17:16 Calinou         (empty password is clearly visible)
17:16 Yves            looking to find auth.txt and looking at that
17:17 Yves            Salut Electron
17:18 srifqi          rubenwardy: evening
17:19 rubenwardy      evening to you to! XD
17:19 srifqi          *too
17:19 srifqi          rubenwardy: will you add VoxelManip to your `book`?
17:19 rubenwardy      Damn it
17:20 srifqi          eh?
17:20 srifqi          what's wrong?
17:20 rubenwardy      <srifqi> *too
17:20 rubenwardy      I don't really understand how it works, that well. I'm not in the mood for writing at the moment. I'd welcome contributions
17:20 srifqi          LOL
17:21 devmarth        yo
17:59 w_laenger       hi
18:05 Krock           hi
18:21 w_laenger       Can anyone help me with a mod?
18:21 Calinou         don't ask to ask, just ask
18:21 w_laenger       ok
18:22 w_laenger       I edited the realclocks mod (https://github.com/HybridDog/realclocks) to do something if a clock is punched
18:22 w_laenger       but it doesn't work
18:22 w_laenger       I added a minetest.chat_send_all to the on_punch. But why does nothing happen when I punch it?
18:23 w_laenger       maybe it's because I forgot one
18:24 ElectronLibre   Can you paste the code in a pastebin?
18:25 w_laenger       it's at github
18:26 srifqi          w_laenger: the URL?
18:26 w_laenger       https://github.com/HybridDog/realclocks
18:26 w_laenger       I found the mistake myself
18:27 w_laenger       I just forgot one of the clock nodes
18:27 w_laenger       (actually 2 because of the materials)
18:27 srifqi          okay, if you know now :D
18:27 srifqi          feel free to ask!
18:27 w_laenger       I've got another question.
18:29 Calinou         http://google-opensource.blogspot.fr/2015/03/farewell-to-google-code.html
18:29 w_laenger       How can I mirror using the view direction without having ignored/double mirrored nodes?
18:30 w_laenger       https://github.com/HybridDog/nuke/blob/master/init.lua#L232
18:30 w_laenger       I use a table to approximately fix it but I would like to do it in a better way
18:32 w_laenger       http://a.pomf.se/rxibdp.png
18:32 w_laenger       a screenshot
18:34 w_laenger       How can I mirror the nodes using the view direction without having ignored/double mirrored nodes?
18:34 Krock           DMackey, ##fix_your_connection
18:35 w_laenger       Krock, do crocodiles eat 😿s?
18:35 Krock           w_laenger, ASCII please
18:35 w_laenger       a 😿 is a cat
18:35 Calinou         Emoji :D
18:36 Calinou         =======😿
18:36 Calinou         nyan cat
18:36 Krock           I don't see. I don't have all languages installed
18:36 Calinou         !rainbow ============😿
18:36 MinetestBot     4===7===8===3===12😿
18:36 Krock           !rainbow =======[:3]
18:36 MinetestBot     4==7==8==3=[12:36]
18:39 w_laenger       !rainbow 🜀🜀🜀🜀🜀🜀🜀
18:39 MinetestBot     4🜀🜀7🜀🜀8🜀🜀3🜀
18:39 ElectronLibre   Wow, time to spam with bots...
18:39 w_laenger       it's just one
18:40 Sokomine        whtemple1959: use my moresnow mod. it has carpets that make it look like as if carpet and chair share the same spot. it works by the carpet beeing placed in the node above the chair. so you can have a table with a carpet sourrounding its feet, but if you put a lamp on the table, it won't work anymore
18:40 Krock           now canon :D
18:40 Krock           +s
18:40 Sokomine        yes, the snow canon might also be fun :-)
18:40 Sokomine        but the carpets also really work :-)
18:42 Sokomine        to a degree, that is. i might also have done carpets that'd have a side length of 3 and only have the middle part as the one where a real free spot would be required
18:42 srifqi          !rainbow Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Maecenas porttitor congue massa. Fusce posuere, magna sed pulvinar ultricies, purus lectus malesuada libero, sit amet commodo magna eros quis urna.
18:42 MinetestBot     4Lore7m ip8sum 3dolo12r si6t am13et, 4cons7ecte8tuer3 adi12pisc6ing 13elit4. Ma7ecen8as p3ortt12itor6 con13gue 4mass7a. F8usce3 pos12uere6, ma13gna 4sed 7pulv8inar3 ult12rici6es, 13puru4s le7ctus8 mal3esua12da l6iber13o, s4it a7met 8comm3odo 12magn6a er13os q4uis 7urna8.
18:42 srifqi          yay!
18:42 * Sokomine      hits minetestbot with a large trout
18:42 srifqi          Lorem ipsum
18:42 srifqi          hehehe
18:42 Krock           pls PM MTB or ##minetest-bot
18:42 Sokomine        or rather, srifqi
18:42 Krock           *##minetestbot
18:43 Pilcrow         Can I get a little help? I'm having trouble compiling minetest in an old laptop with 32-bit Chakra Linux (basically Arch). I know I'm missing something, but can't figure out what. http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=6mTLH7F9
18:43 Krock           You miss Irrlicht typedefs
18:44 w_laenger       𓀝
18:44 srifqi          w_laenger what's that?
18:44 srifqi          another emoji?
18:45 w_laenger       a man with a trout
18:45 Pilcrow         ok Krock. do you know how I can get them? AFAIK, all Arch packages have the -dev files included (i.e. there is no irrlicht-dev because normal irrlicht is also -dev)
18:47 w_laenger       I need to ask again: Krock, do crocodiles eat cats?
18:47 Krock           w_laenger, yes sure
18:47 Krock           Pilcrow, give me a minute
18:47 Pilcrow         ok, thank you
18:48 w_laenger       !help
18:48 MinetestBot     https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
18:49 Krock           Pilcrow, irrTypes.h in irrlicht\include\
18:49 Krock           I think you must specify the irrlicht include dir
18:49 sfan5           w_laenger: is your gcc & irrlicht up to date
18:50 w_laenger       no, I have irrlicht 1.8.1
18:50 sfan5           irrlicht 1.8.1 is the latest version
18:50 Krock           latest stable.
18:50 w_laenger       I thought 1.9.1 was the newest one
18:51 w_laenger       ok
18:51 w_laenger       so yes
18:53 w_laenger       http://paste.ubuntu.com/10586965/
18:53 Pilcrow         eh, my Irrlicht's probably not up to date. now that I think about it, the last minetest I compiled on this old thing was like 0.4.6  :P
18:54 Pilcrow         thanks Krock and sfan5. I'll go try to compile a newer irrlicht now...  :D
18:54 Krock           np
18:55 w_laenger       Maybe 1.9 doesn't have the transparency problem, which does not only appear in minetest
18:55 sfan5           Pilcrow: you could just ask pacman for your irrlicht version
18:56 w_laenger       I still have this problem http://a.pomf.se/rxibdp.png
18:56 Karlton         irrlicht 1.8.1 is latest stable and 1.9.x is development version
18:56 Pilcrow         well, this is a massively outdated distro because I haven't used this laptop in over a year, so I'd probably break something if pacman tried to pull in newer packages, lol
18:58 Pilcrow         btw, I've got a friend who still uses 0.4.8 on his server and refuses to upgrade. would the latest irrlicht still work with the old 0.4.8 source? I'd like to play with him on this laptop, haha.
18:59 Krock           You still can play with him
18:59 Krock           0.4.12 is backwards compatible
18:59 Pilcrow         oh. ok. cool, thanks Krock. that's awesome.
19:00 Krock           The awesomeness ends with 0.5.0 :)
19:00 w_laenger       why?
19:01 Krock           protocol changes
19:01 VanessaE        large parts of the network stack are being rewritten
19:01 w_laenger       I currently have a lag problem, some mod may cause it
19:01 VanessaE        it won't be compatible with 0.4.x
19:01 w_laenger       like freeminer?
19:01 VanessaE        idk about freeminer.
19:01 w_laenger       enet I think
19:02 nrzkt           we will see in fact
19:02 w_laenger       because curl was slow
19:02 w_laenger       (in comparison to enet I think)
19:03 nrzkt           breaking or not breaking. keeping the compat will freeze breaking changes, but maybe add it in a last 0.4.13 release to prepare clients can be good, use the new stack parallel to the old and permit 0.4.13 clients to use it if possible
19:03 nrzkt           and in the 0.5 release in 6 months, 1 year after 0.4.13, we remove the old stack
19:03 w_laenger       why can't 0.5 support 0.4.12?
19:04 nrzkt           network layer will be redone to a cleaner way, more native, less minetest-handled protocol :)
19:04 Krock           w_laenger, to get rid of outdated android builds
19:05 nrzkt           Krock, i'm working on Android makefile atm, to check if we could use convert the build to cmake, which could be great :p
19:05 Krock           android supports cmake?
19:05 Yves            VanessaE: Calinou: All the hits you gave to me DO work very well - i honestly feel granted.  Thx again.
19:05 VanessaE        cheers, Yves  :)
19:06 Yves            VanessaE: one more question :)
19:06 * VanessaE      hides
19:06 Yves            what mod will fit the best with your texture pack to get very dark wood
19:06 Yves            more colors
19:06 VanessaE        in HDX, default jungle tree wood is already pretty dark
19:07 VanessaE        and there's also the coloredwood mod
19:07 VanessaE        it has a number of dark colors also
19:07 VanessaE        https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=32039
19:07 Yves            thx - looking at this
19:07 nrzkt           cross compile support compile and makefile call compilers
19:08 Jordach         nrzkt, could we get at some point support for easier formspec construction
19:08 nrzkt           formspec are not my part
19:08 Jordach         ah, thanks
19:08 Pilcrow         heh, looks like irrlicht-svn 4055 is compiling right. hopefully that'll fix my minetest compiling problems.
19:08 w_laenger       you could use the formspec tables I think
19:11 Jordach         http://a.pomf.se/xbvgwi.png ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
19:12 w_laenger       I still don't know how to fix it http://a.pomf.se/rxibdp.png
19:12 VanessaE        Yves: also, homedecor modpack comes with building_blocks.  that component has "hardwood", which is pretty dark
19:13 Yves            VanessaE: i got unified dyes and colored wood
19:14 Yves            i already installed homedecor earlier ;)
19:14 VanessaE        ok, then you're all set :)
19:14 Yves            looking at all that
19:14 w_laenger       do you think it makes sense if admins can change the time by rotating the clock arrow?
19:15 VanessaE        note that coloredwood does not show up in the creative inventory by default (it's not hard to change it).  you have to craft its blocks using those dyes.
19:15 Pilcrow         Yves, I'm sure moretrees also has some interesting woods if you don't already have it  ;)   ...not sure about -dark- woods though
19:16 Yves            VanessaE: is moretrees will fit well with your texture pack?
19:16 w_laenger       do you need a script for generating tree textures?
19:16 VanessaE        Yves: yep, for the most part (acacia trees aren't in HDX I don't think)
19:16 w_laenger       I assume no, but I can still use it for myself.
19:17 Yves            thx Pilcrow and Vanessa
19:17 VanessaE        w_laenger: a script?  for what?
19:17 w_laenger       tree side textures
19:17 VanessaE        er..
19:17 w_laenger       for gimp
19:18 Pilcrow         moretrees used to cause a lot of lag for me though. haven't tried it in a very long time. I think maybe my computer just didn't like all the leaves...  :P
19:18 VanessaE        Pilcrow: lag != low fps *growl*
19:18 Pilcrow         ok, yes, low fps. sorry.
19:18 VanessaE        w_laenger: no scripts are involved or needed for tree textures in either my mods or HDX.
19:18 Yves            i got 66 matches for moretrees
19:19 Yves            have a suggestion witch one?
19:19 w_laenger       I know, you already have textures
19:19 Pilcrow         my friends and I tend to refer to low fps as 'client lag' as opposed to 'server lag' lol
19:19 VanessaE        https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4394
19:19 VanessaE        that one, Yves
19:19 Yves            looking
19:20 rubenwardy      VanessaE, it is lag if time passes between moving the mouse / pressing keys and a visual response
19:20 w_laenger       you need to wait some seconds for the image
19:20 rubenwardy      Ie, you move the mouse and it takes 1/10 of a second before the camera moves
19:20 devmarth        sfan5, you here? sorry to bother again
19:20 sfan5           devmarth: yes
19:20 devmarth        which version of irrlicht do i need?
19:20 rubenwardy      But that only happens on really low FPSs
19:20 VanessaE        rubenwardy: that's input lag, not the same thing :P
19:20 devmarth        you said to get another version
19:20 rubenwardy      still lag
19:20 devmarth        and i originally had the newest, 1.8.1
19:21 sfan5           you don't need another version
19:21 sfan5           just a different build
19:22 sfan5           the one you use does not seem to work for your configuratiomn
19:22 sfan5           try building irrlicht from source
19:22 devmarth        Okay.
19:22 devmarth        I'll get back to you to see if it works.
19:23 devmarth        Oh btw, buildbot grabs irrlicht, how would I make it use a build of irrlicht i got myself?
19:27 devmarth        nevermind lol\
19:27 * w_laenger     is playing with the clock instead of using /time and it works
19:27 Calinou         rubenwardy, input lag is greatly increased when using V-Sync
19:30 Pilcrow         ah, looks like compiling a newer irrlicht is all I needed for building minetest. it's like 40% done with no errors so far. thanks again, Krock and sfan5
19:30 Yves            i intalled colored wood more dryes and moretrees - but in inventory in creative mode is still the same.  Do i have to use dyes to color my wood?
19:31 devmarth        sfan5, still not working, maybe i did something else wrong.
19:31 Calinou         the group not_in_creative_inventory makes the stuff not appear in creative inventory
19:31 Calinou         Yves, did you enable the mod?
19:31 devmarth        you can find the error in the bugs section of the forums
19:31 Calinou         mods are not automatically enabled once installed
19:31 Yves            Yes i did
19:31 Yves            lemme look again
19:32 sfan5           devmarth: can you pastebin the error again?
19:32 devmarth        Sure.
19:34 devmarth        sfan5; error is here, and the forum topic with a few replies that i dont understand are here: http://pastebin.com/J63GHGeH and http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11460
19:35 sfan5           devmarth: from where did you put the dlls into the folder?
19:35 devmarth        it compiled succesfully is what i mean, and when i run minetest.exe it says theres no dlls, so i moved all the dlls from minetests download into /bin
19:35 Yves            VanessaE: Reading back my console i got this :
19:35 Yves            ERROR[main]: mod "moretrees" has unsatisfied dependencies:  "plants_lib"
19:35 Yves            15:32:22: ERROR[main]: The following mods could not be found: "awards" "carpet3d" "charcoal" "compassgps" "mccarpet" "pushable_block" "spawner"
19:35 devmarth        and it gave the error from the pastebin
19:36 Pilcrow         ah, crap. my minetest still failed to compile. got to like 82% and then it spit this out:  http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=MJ5Jp9FX
19:36 VanessaE        Yves: I don't know about all of those other, but plants_lib is:  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3898
19:36 VanessaE        Yves: BUT
19:36 VanessaE        Yves: please note that plantlife+moretrees will add mapgen lag to your world
19:37 Pilcrow         oh. hey. that was 0.4.8! I didn't even notice lol. I'mma try it with source that's -not- outdated now...  :P
19:37 Yves            on the server only, right?
19:38 VanessaE        Yves: yes.  and not too much, these days it's only at worst a second or so if you jave luajit, 2-3 seconds without
19:38 devmarth        sfan5, sorry if im being a bother haha :P
19:38 sfan5           devmarth: "i moved all the dlls"
19:39 sfan5           devmarth: the DLLs from where?
19:39 VanessaE        (internally the mod limits itself to 0.2 seconds max lag time, but the code being executed doesn't always keep to that)
19:39 devmarth        from minetests download
19:39 sfan5           no wonder it did not work
19:40 sfan5           you probably took the DLLs from the normal minetest build
19:40 sfan5           that one if built with msvc
19:40 sfan5           the DLLs for msvc don't work with stuff built by mingw
19:40 devmarth        Yeah, I did sfan5
19:40 sfan5           devmarth: you need to take the DLLs from the libraries the buildbot downloaded
19:41 Pilcrow         VanessaE, just curious, does moretrees use lvm or set_node?
19:41 VanessaE        Pilcrow: set_node
19:42 VanessaE        well
19:42 VanessaE        that's not strictly true :P
19:42 Yves            VanessaE: I believe i got it all.  Thx again
19:43 VanessaE        it uses plants_lib for the hard work, which uses set_node for most things (including some of the sapling handling), but a tree being grown uses the spawn_tree() call, which internally to the engine involves some vmanip calls
19:43 VanessaE        Yves: no prob.
19:44 devmarth        OHHH, I see. What is the folder they are in sfan5?
19:44 Pilcrow         interesting. set_node is much easier to figure out, but I think I'm getting the gist of lvm. still not sure how to move the sea-level of a lvm mapgen up/down though, lol.
19:44 sfan5           look into buildwin32.sh
19:44 sfan5           it has the paths where the dlls are
19:44 sfan5           at the bottom
19:44 devmarth        Okay, thanks a lot. You've been a great help.
19:49 Pilcrow         awesome, minetest-git compiled correctly. is there a command I can use to clean the minetest directory of unneeded source files now?
19:50 sfan5           Pilcrow: make clean
19:56 Pilcrow         uhh, thanks sfan5, but that seems to do the opposite of what I wanted. It got rid of the executable. I wanted something that gets rid of the Makefile, *.cmake, the src files, etc. and leave just a nice clean runnable minetest.
19:57 sfan5           uhh
19:57 sfan5           uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
19:57 sfan5           i swear this wasn't like this
19:57 sfan5           make clean deleting the executable is stupid
19:58 whodeadeyes     trying to find a chan for apple products... what am I doing ehre
19:58 sfan5           Pilcrow: do make package and extract the resulting package
19:58 whodeadeyes     s/here/ehre
19:58 sfan5           whodeadeyes: maybe something like ##apple or ##iphone exists
19:58 sfan5           no idea
19:58 Krock           whodeadeyes, you searched a game for your apple product
19:58 whodeadeyes     minetest on OS X? that is a far away dre-oh wait
20:00 Pilcrow         odd. well, I didn't actually -check- the bin folder before running make clean, but it was empty afterward, and the make -j2 before-hand had exited normally at 100%.  I'll try other stuff, but I need to wait for it to compile again, lol
20:00 Krock           https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=42 if you haven't found it yet
20:00 Krock           ##default:apple :3
20:00 whodeadeyes     Krock: I know.
20:00 whodeadeyes     that's why I said "oh wait"
20:01 Krock           ah okay
20:02 whodeadeyes     guess apple sheeples don't have time for IRC
20:02 whodeadeyes     that said, how is minetest coming along?
20:03 Krock           it passed the 1337th starrer
20:04 Krock           oh well. 1408 already
20:05 whodeadeyes     the 1337 was 2much4Krock
20:08 whodeadeyes     such ded chan
20:19 Pilcrow         looks like my laptop overheated and died at like 90% done. now I've gotta compile minetest a third time...  :P
20:21 VanessaE        put the laptop in the fridge :)
20:23 Pilcrow         nah, I just put a cooling pad under it. it shouldn't be overheating too bad; it has new Arctic Silver in it. but it's an HP. I've -never- had an hp that didn't suffer from ventilation problems...  :P
20:24 VanessaE        heh
20:25 Pilcrow         < is a computer repair guy. I've had my hands on a lot of poorly ventilated laptops. but then, aren't they all?  :P
20:26 * VanessaE      looks at the old Mac iBook on her desk that doesn't work (bad hdd)
20:27 VanessaE        yep, not much room to get air in or out of this one either.  of course, it's old as dirt ;0
20:27 VanessaE        ;)
20:28 Pilcrow         heh, that thing probably didn't produce enough heat to -need- proper ventilation though, lol.
20:28 VanessaE        probably not.  :)
20:30 Pilcrow         I've got a nice old Sony Vaio that's always kicking around here. 1.2Gig single-core, came with windows 2000. nice how those old things last. not like the new crap.
20:31 Pilcrow         it probably won't run minetest though, lol
20:35 Karlton         I like the hardware in my chromebook, although everything around it is super cheap plastic
20:35 VanessaE        I suppose this might be able to run MT and connect to my Vanilla server...  I wonder how fast MT would run on a 300 MHz PPC 750? :)
20:36 Pilcrow         Karlton, chromebooks have ARM cpus, right?
20:37 Karlton         Pilcrow, it depends on the model. The one I have is a c720 which has an intel cpu
20:37 Pilcrow         ah, I just looked on wikipedia. I guess they can be intel
20:38 Pilcrow         if I got one I'd put linux on it though. chromeos is nothing to me.
20:38 Karlton         that is what I did :)
20:42 Karlton         the chromebook 13 uses the NVIDIA Tegra K1 board, so I am sure MT would run faster on it than intel
20:42 Pilcrow         well, gotta go do family stuff now. for those who'd like to know, minetest-git did compile correctly and is running on this computer, but yes, make clean does get rid of the executables. and leaves the source files where they are. opposite of what I wanted.
20:44 Pilcrow         oh wait, that chromebook uses the K1? aren't chromebooks relatively cheap though? that would probably be a great deal...  :)
20:44 devmarth        sfan5, it says im missing libgcc.dll (theres some text like _s_something after libgcc but i forget
20:44 devmarth        but i got every other dll
20:46 devmarth        i think i was libgcc_s_sjlj-1.dll sfan5, or something similar
20:46 Karlton         Pilcrow, the c720 I got was 150 USD but I think the 13 model is 2x that price
20:46 Pilcrow         I assume you were talking about this. I want it. http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Chromebook-CB5-311-T7NN-13-3-inch-NVIDIA/dp/B00MHX6V88
20:47 Karlton         http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Chromebook-CB5-311-T7NN-13-3-inch-NVIDIA/dp/B00MHX6V88
20:47 Karlton         oops
20:47 Pilcrow         haha
20:47 Pilcrow         anyways, gotta go.
20:47 Karlton         yeah that one is almost as cheap
21:19 sfan5           devmarth: your mingw installation includes that dll somewhere
21:19 * Pilcrow       is back
21:45 devmarth        Thanks sfan5.
22:07 Calinou         [off] https://lut.im/BvMVZwxE/oiBRjw8B
22:07 Calinou         aka. me using reddit
22:35 Pilcrow         does minetest not support loading a minetest.conf from a game folder any more? I know it used to be able to...
22:35 Chanku          Hey, I need a little help in setting up Minetest for my computer (I'm running Debian "Wheezy")
22:35 est31           Chanku, just feel free ask
22:35 est31           to*
22:36 Chanku          I just need help on installing the latest minetest...
22:36 est31           ah that
22:36 Chanku          Yeah
22:36 est31           you need to know how to install a ppa
22:36 Chanku          Well I mean I'm on the latest Debian Stable...
22:37 Chanku          Although I assume you mean to install the package from the Ubuntu Repo?
22:37 Chanku          Well repos
22:37 est31           yes
22:37 est31           ubuntu isnt poison
22:37 est31           :)
22:37 Chanku          I already have tried that
22:37 est31           you can use that repo too
22:37 est31           and?
22:37 Chanku          Well there were dependencies that were required and I had some issues installing them
22:38 * est31         summons VanessaE
22:38 est31           Chanku, it should work in theory
22:39 Chanku          yeah in theory
22:39 Chanku          I ended up just uncommenting the repo
22:39 Chanku          although if you want I can try it agian
22:39 est31           yes and post the error here
22:39 est31           best to upload it to a pastebin and just the link here
22:41 Chanku          http://pastebin.com/HUHu38Dn
22:41 Warr1024        ubuntu may not be poison, but it's not necessarily trivial to mix ubuntu with debian
22:42 Warr1024        they tend to be a fair distance apart re: dependency versions.
22:42 Chanku          Yeah Ik
22:42 Warr1024        personally, I find building from source works quite well, once you've gotten over the hump of figuring out exactly what options/dependencies you need to setup first.
22:43 Warr1024        exactly how, though, can sometimes be rather specific to your own setup...
22:43 Chanku          I tried the 1-line script
22:43 Chanku          but it didn't seem to work
22:43 Warr1024        yeah, in principle, cmake . && make should work-ish
22:43 Warr1024        I usually compile -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1...
22:44 Warr1024        there are often a number of cmake options you need to pass if cmake has a hard time finding things you want (or not finding things you don't want)
22:45 Warr1024        I'm also on Wheezy, and I had to manually find the freetype lib and pass it to cmake, no idea why...
22:45 Chanku          Ah
22:45 Warr1024        oh, I also had to hack link.txt, after it's made by cmake, and add the location for librt manually...
22:45 Warr1024        ...though I can't remember whether that's to build on Debian or OpenBSD.
22:46 Warr1024        I use the same script for both.
22:46 Chanku          Eh sometimes little annoyances like this make me consider switching back to windows
22:46 Chanku          Then I remember why I swapped in the first place...(which was about two weeks ago)
22:46 est31           Chanku, then perhaps chose arch linux
22:46 T4im            but why would you switch little annoyances for big annoyances? :o
22:46 Chanku          Well tbh I was fine with Windows 7
22:47 est31           or install ubuntu
22:47 Chanku          Eh I prefer Debian...
22:47 Chanku          I've tried Ubuntu before
22:47 est31           my main reason for having ubuntu is its large install base
22:47 Chanku          but eh...
22:47 est31           why
22:47 Chanku          well a few reasons
22:47 Chanku          a few decisions my Canonical
22:48 est31           like
22:48 Chanku          and also I don't really like systemd
22:48 Warr1024        Debian is generally more conservative.  That has its ups and downs.
22:48 T4im            est31: as someone security affine you use ubuntu? O_o isn't that the one that sends your local searches to amazon and stuff?
22:48 alket           not anymore
22:48 alket           it was so 2013
22:48 est31           T4im, only if you use unity
22:49 est31           who sais I do that
22:49 est31           never understood that stuff
22:49 * est31         is a kde user
22:49 * Chanku        prefers LXDE
22:49 Warr1024        I started out on ubu as well, and similarly moved to deb.
22:49 est31           unity is bs like gnome 3
22:49 est31           (for my taste)
22:49 raymondillo     unity is ok once you turn all the spyware off. :)
22:49 * alket         kde
22:49 Warr1024        for me it was a combination of the fact that I hated unity and that xubuntu was really bloated
22:49 Pilcrow         I haven't liked the *buntus since 8.04... I'll stick with arch, lol
22:50 Chanku          I choose Debian because it seemed nice and stable, plus no systemd as well...
22:50 Pilcrow         I hear systemd is coming to debian though?
22:50 est31           why do you hate systemd so much?
22:51 raymondillo     Chanku: systemd on its way to debian.
22:51 Warr1024        I'd be surprised if there will be anywhere you can really avoid systemd indefinitly
22:51 Chanku          It is coming in "Jessy" (8.0) but Devuan is my next switch
22:51 est31           Its not that I like it, especially the rush, but it won't cause me to install windows again
22:51 Chanku          (Devuan is a Debian fork desined to be systemd-less)
22:52 Pilcrow         I don't like systemd either. it's too big and does too many things for its own good. goes against the linux philosophy of 'do one thing and do it well'... plus if it crashes it takes down the whole system...
22:52 Chanku          ^ That
22:53 Warr1024        Linux users may just have to learn to live with systemd; so far, there are treatments available, but there doesn't seem to be a cure...
22:53 Chanku          Well there's Uselessd
22:53 Karlton         gentoo or just build from scratch
22:53 Chanku          Essentially Systemd designed to be logical
22:54 Warr1024        And of course there are the BSD's, but that's quite a departure compared to an ubu->deb distrohop.
22:54 ShadowNinja     Pilcrow: Agreed.  So far it's worked A+, but any bugs can cause bigger issues that they should.
22:54 raymondillo     If enough users hate systemd it will be rolled back by the distros eventually. (even after its taken over the world.)
22:55 Warr1024        meh, they'll probably just fix it up and people will accept it.
22:55 Chanku          The only reason why systemd has become so big is because of the push the developers have, and the fact that they do add things for other developers to use
22:55 Warr1024        many of the risks are important if you're running a server, but end-users aren't too un-used-to having to reboot for weird reasons (many self-inflicted).
22:55 ShadowNinja     raymondillo: your average user probably won't care, it's just some hackers that will have an issue with it.
22:56 Pilcrow         well, it's true that sysvinit was/is in need of replacement, I just don't think systemd is a change for the better. seeing as how there are so many who feel the same, I'd guess we'll have a decent replacement in the next few years and everyone will be ditching systemd again, lol
22:56 raymondillo     Have to admit I disliked unity for 2 years, now I have modified my workstream and would miss unity.
22:57 Warr1024        The whole thing mystifies me; I'm coming from mostly an OpenBSD background, and they only added rc.d a couple years ago; before that, it was a monolithic /etc/rc.
22:57 Chanku          Well I mean there are a few alternatives to systemd
22:57 Chanku          like uselessd...
22:58 Chanku          which is a fork of systemd trying to make it a bit more...sane...and strips it down into just an init system
22:58 est31           systemd implements alot of useful APIs, but it also has weird design descisions like glibc only
22:58 ShadowNinja     Chanku: You just said that!
22:58 est31           also this binary logging thing was done wrongly
22:58 Chanku          Oh yeah sorry ShadowNinja...
22:58 Pilcrow         Warr1024, I've got no experience with BSD, aside from downloading a few FreeBSD isos every now and then to check them out. I've still found no reason to switch away from Arch...  :P
22:59 raymondillo     Warr1024: BSD has more sanity checked than other *nix before significant changes I guess. :)
22:59 est31           but BSD has an even smaller userbase than gnu+linux has.
23:00 Warr1024        well, BSD's tend to put less emphasis on userbase size to begin with...
23:00 Warr1024        they're more about the software than the social movement.
23:00 est31           but having an userbase helps alot in many cases
23:00 Pilcrow         there is an ArchBSD that tries to imitate Arch Linux though. looks interesting, but I'm not sure how well it would work...
23:01 est31           like google-indexed QA sites where most problems have a solution
23:01 Warr1024        I've heard of a few projects to make weird hybrids of BSD and GNU, but they always end up seeming like someone's garage frankenstein project... :-/
23:01 Warr1024        est31: in the GNU world, forums are your friend, while in the BSD world, manpages are.
23:02 Chanku          TBH I've thought about trying out FreeBSD
23:02 Warr1024        if you've got the time and energy, it's not a bad idea to try out a lot of things.
23:02 est31           also you will be one of the first people who try your exact hw combination
23:02 Pilcrow         yeah, that's kinda what I figured. ArchBSD looks -interesting- but not exactly great. GhostBSD looks pretty good though. and FreeBSD itself doesn't look half bad.
23:03 est31           driver situation is already shitty for linux
23:03 est31           why should it be better for BSD
23:03 Warr1024        in my experience, driver situation is better on BSD.
23:03 est31           I've heard there are BSD variants that support linux drivers
23:03 Chanku          ^
23:03 Karlton         only thing I would replace Linux with is Hurd...
23:03 Warr1024        if you get a piece of oddball hardware on linux, it'll detect, but not work right.
23:03 Warr1024        try that on BSD, and it won't even detect, so you'll know that it won't work up-front :-)
23:04 est31           lol
23:04 Warr1024        frankly, though I didn't end up liking FreeBSD.
23:04 Warr1024        ironically.
23:04 Warr1024        I liked OpenBSD > Linux > FreeBSD
23:04 Warr1024        and within the GNU/Linux world, Debian > Ubuntu
23:05 Warr1024        so basically I liked the conservative distros that made changes very carefully over the more avante-garde ones that try crazy experimental stuff
23:05 Warr1024        which is why trying Arch is low on my priority list.
23:05 Warr1024        ultimately it tends to come down to a matter of personal style.
23:05 Pilcrow         eh, I'm not a FLOSS-only kinda guy, so I think I'd miss too many things going to OpenBSD.
23:05 Warr1024        Pilcrow: even I haven't been able to abandon non-OpenBSD systems completely, and I AM a FLOSS-only kinda guy.
23:05 ShadowNinja     Warr1024: Can't beat security through obsolete software!  ;-P
23:06 Pilcrow         lol
23:06 Chanku          Hey so um...anyone actually wanna help me setup minetest on my system...because I have little idea of what I'm actually doing...
23:06 Warr1024        upgrading to the latest version of software is a great way to fix the three security bugs they found since the last release, but also a good way to install the eight they added since then.
23:07 Pilcrow         I think Darwin is BSD-based. not that I'd ever go for Mac OS...  :P
23:07 Warr1024        macs are not very unix-ey.
23:07 Karlton         There are BSD's that carry free software only philosophy?
23:07 Warr1024        Karlton: IIRC Open > Net > Free when it comes to strictness over free-only policy.
23:07 Chanku          Although BSD's are more unixy than Linux due to BSD's being derived from Unix directly IIRC...
23:08 est31           BSD is non-free
23:08 est31           its all BSD licensed
23:08 est31           no copyleft
23:08 Warr1024        well, when I say "unixy" I mean either "gnu-ey" or "bsd-ey", interchangeably, as compared to, say "windowsey" or "maccy"
23:08 est31           it can be locked down any moment
23:08 Warr1024        est31: huh?
23:08 est31           just like llvm
23:08 Warr1024        it can't be locked down
23:09 T4im            not copyleft is not non-free :D in fact its more-free, permissivly free ;)
23:09 Karlton         copyleft is just there to protect freedom
23:09 Warr1024        once something has been licensed under free terms, it remains that way perpetually
23:09 Warr1024        you could theoretically release a new version with new non-free terms, but the old version under the old terms doesn't magically stop existing.
23:09 est31           yes thats what I mean
23:09 Warr1024        copyleft is there to ensure that downstream users are required to give back to the community.
23:09 est31           somebody may take the code an make it proprietary
23:10 Warr1024        they can make a proprietary competitor to the product, but they can't seal the original code up that way.
23:10 T4im            which doesn't mean it's a danger to protect from in all cases :)
23:10 Warr1024        GNU's philosophy is that if you want to benefit from the community, you have to pay back if you make improvements.
23:10 est31           your code will always remain free
23:10 Pilcrow         I believe in all freedoms, including the freedom for a developer to decide -not- to release the source. therefore, I tend to avoid floss-only distros.
23:10 Warr1024        BSD's philosophy is "just go ahead and TRY to make a proprietary fork, we'll compete with you on our own terms and win anyway."
23:11 Warr1024        Pilcrow: you mean GPL-only, or any FLOSS-only, including BSD?
23:11 Chanku          Hell I mean I've looked at possibly doing a little bit of modding in minetest and I would probably license my stuff it with the MIT license... which is a form of the BSD license IIRC
23:12 Karlton         Pilcrow, the freedom to take away freedom? ;)
23:12 Warr1024        yeah, I use MIT or ISC, myself.  MIT is more popular and more easily recognized, though ISC is a BIT less wordy.
23:12 Chanku          I mean hell
23:12 Warr1024        Karlton: freedom cannot be taken away like that.
23:12 Chanku          Anything I work on I do under the MIT license
23:12 Pilcrow         Warr1024: I'm speaking mostly of GPL I guess, but in general I don't like distros that avoid useful apps just because they are 'non-free'...
23:13 Chanku          Hell only two things I've ever worked on aren't MIT licensed
23:13 Chanku          One is using the GPL 2.0 and one the LGPL 3.0
23:13 Warr1024        most distros that are "free-only" use a particular definition of "free" and tend to accept things that are at least as free, but also things that are more permissive.
23:13 Pilcrow         Chanku, the only advice I have would be to compile minetest yourself. it's a little daunting, but if you get luaJIT and libIrrlicht-dev installed it shouldn't be too difficult... I always roll my own minetest binaries...  :D
23:13 Chanku          and I only actually got to choose the LGPL one...
23:14 Chanku          Pilcrow...um how would I compile it? (Again I'm only about two weeks linux convert at this point :/)
23:14 Karlton         Pilcrow, Arch is non-free by default
23:14 Warr1024        Chanku: first get the source from github; use git clone.
23:14 Pilcrow         yes, Karlton, that is a freedom as well. developers should be able to -choose- weather to release their source or not, without being looked down upon for deciding to be closed-source.
23:15 Warr1024        Chanku: then cd to your mt dir and "cmake ."
23:15 ShadowNinja     Chanku: Install deps, git clone, cmake, make make install.
23:15 Warr1024        Chanku: er, how comfortable are you with the *n*x command line?  comfort in this area will tend to help you out with a LOT of things...
23:15 Chanku          I mean I'm somewhat comfortable in it
23:15 Warr1024        there's a pretty decent README in the git root, IIRC.
23:15 Chanku          although I'm getting an issue with cmake...
23:15 Warr1024        it did not lead me astray.
23:16 Chanku          It says command not found...
23:16 Warr1024        cmake is a dependency, you'll have to install it
23:16 Karlton         Arch doesn't include a deblobed kernel, free ffmpeg, etc afiak
23:16 Warr1024        some dependencies are only for building
23:17 Pilcrow         I use arch though. I like the fact that everything's a dev package, so it's really easy to compile stuff
23:17 Warr1024        "free-only" vs "non-free" is actually kind of an ambiguous issue, since there's the FSF definition, but a lot of distros/OS's tweak the definition for their own purposes.
23:18 Warr1024        for instance, OpenBSD considers GPL "not free enough for base" but they package GCC in the "optional" compiler dist, and they don't allow blobs on main processor (only AFTER OS loads, though, so BIOS exempt) but they do allow uploadable firmware.
23:19 Chanku          Okay I'm getting errors with cmake
23:19 est31           GPL is free
23:19 Warr1024        Free-only-by-default, with the OPTION to go non-free if you must, is kind of nice to have, though...
23:19 est31           bsd is open
23:20 Warr1024        est31: the difference between "open source" and "free sofware" is purely one of marketing; inside the package, they're the same, and they just tried that "open" stuff to trick the proprietary world into buying in.
23:20 Warr1024        Chanku: got a pastebin?
23:20 Chanku          http://pastebin.com/dH06TWAR
23:21 est31           Warr1024, the difference is copyleft
23:21 Karlton         Warr1024: This isn't true, open source project like Linux itself require you to remove non-free blobs in them
23:22 Karlton         because open source does not care about the free software philosophy
23:22 Warr1024        Karlton: I think you're confusing "linux" and "linux."  :-)
23:22 Warr1024        linux is a kernel, which is part of GNU, which is part of what people usually call "linux", which usually includes various other software, much of it not really GNU.
23:23 Karlton         there is only one Linux and it is a kernel
23:23 Karlton         the operating system is called GNU but you can call it GNU/Linux if you want
23:23 Chanku          um...
23:24 Karlton         the kernel is GPL but contains non-free firmware which has to be deblobed
23:24 Karlton         which is a failure of premissive licenses
23:24 Warr1024        Karlton: really?  I thought those were integrated separately by the distros.
23:24 Warr1024        IIRC, though, Linus isn't a big fan of the GPL.
23:25 Chanku          He also hates the GPL 3.0
23:25 Karlton         We call the debloded kernel Linux-libre
23:26 Warr1024        I tend to license my software as MIT or ISC, but I guess I just don't feel the need to conscript my users into the Revolution as a condition of their using the stuff.
23:26 Warr1024        If you don't like it, you can always download the stuff, relicense it under GPL, and redistribute it.
23:26 Warr1024        all you need to keep is the attribution, pretty much :-)
23:27 Warr1024        is there a GPL4 yet?
23:27 est31           no
23:27 Karlton         http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/index.en.html
23:28 Karlton         that is the kernel used by all the free GNU/Linux distros
23:29 Pilcrow         I still haven't found a license I -really- like, for releasing my own stuff. even wtfpl requires a name-change, which I don't care about.  :P
23:29 Warr1024        hm, that's odd, I figured it wasn't possible to distribute a non-free linux kernel under the GPL.
23:29 Chanku          TBH I use MIT because I really don't care what anyone does with what I make
23:29 Warr1024        any license terms or NDA necessary to get those included blobs would poison the kernel license.
23:29 Chanku          besides most of my projects are small anyways.
23:29 Warr1024        Chanku: yeah, that's largely how I've handled it too.
23:30 Warr1024        I can't see your pastebin, stupid website blocking my proxy...
23:30 Chanku          Damn...
23:30 Warr1024        I think I've had good luck with pastebin.ubuntu.com
23:31 Chanku          http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10588226/
23:31 Chanku          Also if anyone wants I can post a link to my github account. Even though it contains little useful projects
23:32 est31           Chanku, have you installed openal?
23:32 Chanku          openal?
23:32 est31           sound lib
23:33 est31           also, you will need irrlicht
23:33 est31           both the dev versions
23:33 Warr1024        IIRC, the whole "BSD vs. GNU" debate was already soundly resolved in xkcd #747 anyway.
23:33 Pilcrow         looks like you need irrlicht and openal development packages. not sure what they're called in debian. probably something like libirrlicht-dev and libopenal-dev
23:34 Chanku          alright
23:34 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks
23:34 Pilcrow         hello thefamilygrog66
23:36 Chanku          okay
23:36 Chanku          I used aptitude to install them...
23:36 thefamilygrog66 when registering an entity, is it necessary to define its initial properties using initial_properties = { blah blah}, or can I just state those properties at the beginning?
23:36 thefamilygrog66 It seems to work if I just do the latter, but want to make sure that's okay.
23:37 Warr1024        IIRC "properties" are those that go on the object, not the internal lua entity, so they're separate...?
23:37 Warr1024        unless they changed the API since last I looked.
23:38 Warr1024        I'm fair sure lua_api.txt is authoritative, though
23:38 Warr1024        and the wiki may be out of date.
23:38 Pilcrow         Chanku: you may also want to look for something called luajit, luajit-dev, libluajit, libluajit-dev, etc. not sure what it'd be called in debian, but it helps minetest run mods faster.
23:38 Chanku          Alright so I tried to use cmake again and I got this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10588258/
23:38 Warr1024        more deps
23:39 Warr1024        vorbis this time
23:39 Warr1024        if it's asking for *, try sudo apt-get install lib*-dev
23:39 Warr1024        if that doesn't work, well, I usually open up synaptic and try the search features in there... :-/
23:39 thefamilygrog66 Chanku, or just type:
23:39 thefamilygrog66 sudo apt-get install build-essential cmake git libirrlicht-dev libbz2-dev libgettextpo-dev libfreetype6-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg8-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libsqlite3-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev libhiredis-dev
23:39 Warr1024        ah, nice
23:40 thefamilygrog66 http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest
23:40 Warr1024        oh, yeah, I'm an idiot, that was in the README.
23:40 thefamilygrog66 hehe
23:40 Warr1024        ln README SHOULDHAVEREADME
23:41 Pilcrow         ah, I didn't realise vorbis was required too. missed that.
23:42 Karlton         Warr1024: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tree/master/firmware everything in there non-free software displayed as hex code
23:43 Karlton         the GPL does not cover the firmware at all
23:43 Pilcrow         hey, can anyone tell me if there's a way to grant players a new priv in minetest.register_on_joinplayer?
23:44 Pilcrow         I want to auto-grant all players 'fast'
23:44 thefamilygrog66 not just when they first join, Pilcrow?
23:44 thefamilygrog66 (i.e. in the minetest.conf file)
23:46 Pilcrow         well, basically I want to make one of my games override the minetest.conf file so I don't screw up other games. I want to make a mod that grants players 'fast' and reassigns the movement_speed_fast value to like 7.
23:47 Chanku          New error... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10588295/
23:47 est31           Pilcrow, better do that in lua code
23:48 Warr1024        Pilcrow: more useful might be a simple mod that lets you override minetest.conf settings with game-specific or world-specific settings...
23:48 Warr1024        actually, isn't world.mt a config file too?
23:48 Karlton         http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10588295/
23:48 Karlton         oops
23:48 est31           Pilcrow, minetest.set_player_privs
23:48 Warr1024        opengl missing?  really?  that can happen?
23:49 est31           game != world
23:49 Pilcrow         Warr1024: that's pretty much what I want to do; a game-specific (not world-specific) override for the fastmove stuff.
23:49 Warr1024        if you want to do it for a game-type, a custom mod sounds like the way to go
23:50 Warr1024        you could make it look for another config file, if you wanted it to be generic and redistributable, or you could just hard-code it for your needs and move on.
23:50 Pilcrow         minetest used to be able to load a custom minetest.conf file from the game folder, but it doesn't seem to do that any more...
23:50 Warr1024        (in your case, hard-code it and fast_move on, *rimshot*)
23:51 est31           Pilcrow, I don't know about old behaviour, but you can specify the minetest.conf with the CLI params
23:55 * VanessaE      peeks in
23:55 Karlton         Pilcrow, minetestserver --config doesn't work?
23:56 Chanku          Hey Um...so anyone wanna help me with my missing opengl apparently...
23:56 thefamilygrog66 Chanku, did you copy/paste that dependencies thing I posted above?
23:57 thefamilygrog66 Pilcrow, maybe something like this?
23:57 thefamilygrog66 http://pastie.org/10021981
23:57 Karlton         Chanku, do you have mesa installed?
23:58 Chanku          it says that I have libglapi-mesa...
23:58 est31           no mese without mesa
23:58 est31           :P
23:58 Chanku          anywho aptitude reports it as installed...
23:59 Karlton         does it say which version?