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| 00:00 |
est31 |
what is the problem |
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WarrTab |
It just reorders the snapshots, not the actual changes, from the look of it |
| 00:06 |
WarrTab |
I'm trying cherry-pick now |
| 00:06 |
WarrTab |
If I can just exclude a few commits as not being the cause of the problem, the diff to examine gets a lot shorter |
| 00:07 |
est31 |
yup |
| 00:10 |
Warr1024 |
takes forever to build |
| 00:10 |
Warr1024 |
maybe because I always build from absolutely clean |
| 00:10 |
Warr1024 |
maybe I'll try preserving the deps cache |
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| 01:37 |
Wayward_One |
hello Zeno` :) |
| 01:37 |
Zeno` |
hiya :) |
| 01:37 |
Zeno` |
How's things? |
| 01:39 |
* est31 |
is trying to add travis builds for android, but had to find out that build proces is highly non-deterministic with result: once it fails once it doesn't |
| 01:40 |
Wayward_One |
things're good here, how about you? |
| 01:40 |
* Zeno` |
has gotten depressed over the android issues :/ |
| 01:41 |
est31 |
Warr1024 is trying to bisect further for the text issue ... inside non-building terrain |
| 01:44 |
Zeno` |
I'm 99% sure it's 9e2a9b55e185b92074b32d3df336920f33b29e5a |
| 01:45 |
Warr1024 |
don't wait up for me, this could take weeks :-/ |
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| 01:46 |
Zeno` |
The thing is I don't even really know why that commit was really necessary |
| 01:47 |
Zeno` |
It didn't fix anything particularly necessary |
| 01:48 |
Warr1024 |
seemed to be a performance thing |
| 01:48 |
Warr1024 |
it looked like the idea was to stop redundantly converting the same strings over and over |
| 01:49 |
Zeno` |
nah, it was more of a "to avoid future minor memory leaks in the future" by the looks of it |
| 01:49 |
Warr1024 |
except that I'm not sure what the full implications of const declarations are |
| 01:49 |
Zeno` |
there are instances now where string are converted from mbs to wide and back to mbs |
| 01:49 |
Zeno` |
the const declarations are not a concern... |
| 01:50 |
Warr1024 |
seemed odd the way it used to be converting, then using, then freeing, but then that got changed to converting, then using, no freeing... |
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MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Dungeongen: Optionally set ignore to be untouchable to disable floating dungeons ffdf8de http://git.io/pUW1 (2015-03-07T01:41:53Z) |
| 01:50 |
est31 |
ok now its deterministically *failing* |
| 01:51 |
est31 |
some weird issue with openal |
| 01:51 |
est31 |
it doesnt do anything thats the problem |
| 01:51 |
Warr1024 |
It's tough for me to read because I work a lot in C and C#, and this involves a lot of the parts of C++ that are like neither. |
| 01:51 |
Zeno` |
Warr1024 it's still doing that but it's in a "wrapper" (the allocate and free) |
| 01:51 |
est31 |
you can sit there for 10 mins, and its completely silen |
| 01:51 |
est31 |
t |
| 01:51 |
est31 |
no cpu usage, nothing |
| 01:51 |
Zeno` |
est31, it's all that downloading that android build does probably |
| 01:52 |
Zeno` |
e.g. it downloads irrlicht and then patches it |
| 01:52 |
est31 |
no network activity too |
| 01:52 |
est31 |
it did already all those downloads |
| 01:52 |
Zeno` |
oh, sorry. I thought you were on Travis |
| 01:53 |
est31 |
first step is to get it work locally |
| 01:53 |
Warr1024 |
est31: biggest cause of non-det build results I usually see is not starting from a fully clean tree. |
| 01:53 |
est31 |
where I don't have to wait 10 minutes in the queue |
| 01:53 |
est31 |
I'm doing an rm -rf and fresh clone every time |
| 01:53 |
Warr1024 |
also common is parallelism |
| 01:54 |
est31 |
that can be the issue |
| 01:54 |
est31 |
parallelism is somehow taken wrongly here |
| 01:54 |
est31 |
because submakes got -jN option |
| 01:54 |
est31 |
no good |
| 01:54 |
Warr1024 |
it's set hard in the makefile to auto-detect, I had to patch it out myself |
| 01:56 |
* est31 |
fixes the now two lines spanning command that pulls, copies config, and does make |
| 01:56 |
est31 |
so that it also patches that out |
| 01:58 |
Zeno` |
I have non-det builds for Android even without Travis :D |
| 02:02 |
est31 |
still hanging |
| 02:02 |
est31 |
hanging at: [armeabi] Compile thumb : freetype2-static <= autofit.c |
| 02:03 |
est31 |
perhaps I just have no free ram |
| 02:03 |
est31 |
600 MB free |
| 02:03 |
est31 |
rebooting... |
| 02:06 |
Zeno` |
Another "problem" is that 9e2a9b55e185b92074b32d3df336920f33b29e5a changes more files than it needed to :/ |
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Warr1024 |
kinda makes me wonder if it's possible to revert that problem commit against master and restore the android build |
| 02:18 |
Warr1024 |
yeah, bisecting isn't working so well |
| 02:19 |
Warr1024 |
straight cherry-picks won't build |
| 02:19 |
Warr1024 |
and trying to fix each bosection by hand is probsbly beyond my c++ ability |
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| 02:21 |
est31 |
it really seems to build |
| 02:22 |
est31 |
I think I can start creating first travis scripts |
| 02:26 |
est31 |
wow successful |
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| 02:31 |
Zeno` |
I'm going to try and partially revert it |
| 02:32 |
Zeno` |
I'm sick of trying to work out what the problem is and if we have a "stable" (haha) base to start with I might have more success |
| 02:32 |
Zeno` |
s/stable/something-that-works |
| 02:43 |
Warr1024 |
Zeno`: you been working on this problem long? |
| 02:44 |
Zeno` |
well about 10 days but 4 or 5 was getting Android to work |
| 02:44 |
Zeno` |
then there was another day or 2 when I reinstalled OS |
| 02:45 |
Zeno` |
it's just so slow |
| 02:45 |
Zeno` |
build/test-on-emulator/build/etc |
| 02:47 |
Warr1024 |
it's faster to test on a physical device, but the emulator might offer the option of automating regresion testing |
| 02:48 |
Zeno` |
maybe |
| 02:48 |
Warr1024 |
which would be awesome considering how much of a pain this one regression has been. |
| 02:48 |
Zeno` |
are you ok with applying git patches temporarily? Warr1024 |
| 02:48 |
Warr1024 |
yes |
| 02:48 |
Warr1024 |
if you're asking me if I can test a patch, I can probably handle it |
| 02:49 |
Zeno` |
https://github.com/Zeno-/minetest/commit/06e774b100bc6d093700e7fa6001e72f39dd4093.patch |
| 02:49 |
Warr1024 |
I'd be testing on a samsung gt-p5113 |
| 02:49 |
Zeno` |
I only just did that... still compiling myself |
| 02:49 |
Zeno` |
it'll leak memory I'm just curious to see if the @#&*$(@*$( bug goes away |
| 02:53 |
est31 |
are you sure its not a ##*&\\? bug? |
| 02:54 |
Warr1024 |
more like a \a\a\a\a\a bug |
| 02:54 |
Zeno` |
haha :P |
| 02:54 |
Zeno` |
getting a sandwich :) brb |
| 02:55 |
Warr1024 |
apparently my git-fu is weak when it comes to applying patches |
| 02:56 |
Warr1024 |
but patch -p1 seems to have done it |
| 02:56 |
Zeno` |
make a branch; switch to branch; and git am blah.patch is easiest |
| 02:57 |
Warr1024 |
building now |
| 02:57 |
Warr1024 |
I tried git am, but I must have got my repo in a weird state |
| 02:57 |
Warr1024 |
maybe I left a pending bisect or rebase or smth |
| 02:58 |
Warr1024 |
would be nice if git-status told you about ALL types of state |
| 02:58 |
Warr1024 |
eh, I'll eventually probably blow it away and reclone |
| 02:59 |
Zeno` |
see, this is the problem I have. My build just failed for no @*($#(@ reason |
| 02:59 |
* Zeno` |
starts it again |
| 02:59 |
Zeno` |
I think I need to set up a VM for Android builds |
| 03:00 |
Warr1024 |
Zeno`: edit android Makefile and make both PARALLEL := lines set to 1 |
| 03:00 |
Zeno` |
ok |
| 03:00 |
Zeno` |
so that'll stop -j8 ? |
| 03:00 |
Warr1024 |
if it's running parallel builds, one thread can fail, but it lets the other keep going until it returms to make |
| 03:00 |
Zeno` |
if it fixes the problem of builds I don't care if it takes longer... /me tries |
| 03:00 |
Warr1024 |
whst that means is that the actual error ,essage gets buried deep |
| 03:01 |
Warr1024 |
it may not fix, but it'll make it easier to see problems |
| 03:01 |
Warr1024 |
-j8 huh? must be nice |
| 03:02 |
Zeno` |
it won't fix... my problem is that sometimes the sdk links properly and sometimes it doesn't. Maybe a bug in fedora, dunno |
| 03:02 |
Zeno` |
model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz |
| 03:03 |
Warr1024 |
fancy |
| 03:03 |
Zeno` |
fancy smancy lol |
| 03:03 |
Warr1024 |
my top machines are a core 2 duo and an athlon 64 2-core |
| 03:03 |
Warr1024 |
rest are all unicore, some HT some not |
| 03:04 |
Warr1024 |
not including my tablet which I think is 2-core, but not much for compiling |
| 03:04 |
Zeno` |
if they do the job, they do the job *shrug*. I got this machine when I was working and it was a tax deduction (I needed the CPU for GIS anaylsis stuff for work and the faster the better) |
| 03:05 |
Zeno` |
if ubuntu wasn't so ugly I might be tempted to ditch fedora |
| 03:05 |
Zeno` |
although my server uses fedora as well and I've used fedora forever so I probably still wouldn't :( |
| 03:06 |
* Zeno` |
gets talkative when he's eating |
| 03:06 |
Zeno` |
heh |
| 03:06 |
Zeno` |
must be the adrenaline :-o |
| 03:07 |
Warr1024 |
I'm mainly an openbsd junkie, but tried ubuntu to see what all this maimstream "linux" is all about |
| 03:07 |
Warr1024 |
ended up on debian stable |
| 03:07 |
Warr1024 |
which just turned your patch into an apk |
| 03:08 |
Warr1024 |
time to test |
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| 03:10 |
Warr1024 |
shit, it works |
| 03:10 |
Zeno` |
I know that |
| 03:10 |
Zeno` |
but need(ed) confirmation :) |
| 03:10 |
Zeno` |
ok, now time to clean it up |
| 03:10 |
Warr1024 |
awesome |
| 03:10 |
Zeno` |
thank you for that |
| 03:11 |
Warr1024 |
maybe I should play it a little and give it a more thorough test |
| 03:12 |
Zeno` |
yeah that'd be good. I'll start making the code look pretty and fix potential leaks |
| 03:14 |
Warr1024 |
I logged into a server, putzed around, accessed inventory, and saw nothing amiss |
| 03:16 |
Warr1024 |
I wonder if this will be sufficient to get an official android build up on minetest.net again |
| 03:16 |
est31 |
now lets wait until we get to the front position in the queue: https://travis-ci.org/est31/minetest/jobs/53427091 |
| 03:16 |
Zeno` |
actually the whole reason ShadowNinja probably did this was to avoid having to free the string returned by getttext... but there are places where it's still deleted[] so I have no idea why there aren't memory errors anyway :-o |
| 03:16 |
est31 |
and then hope it works :D |
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| 03:16 |
Warr1024 |
though I suppose that may depend a lot on someone being willing to maintain it |
| 03:16 |
Zeno` |
returned by wgettext* |
| 03:17 |
Warr1024 |
Zeno`: yeah, I saw the inconsistency in freeing/not-freeing the strings, and was thoroughly confused. |
| 03:18 |
est31 |
sudo make me a sandwitch |
| 03:18 |
Warr1024 |
Password: |
| 03:18 |
Warr1024 |
:-) |
| 03:20 |
Warr1024 |
actually, maybe that should be "make: *** No rule to make target `me'. Stop." |
| 03:21 |
est31 |
oh cool |
| 03:21 |
est31 |
sudo rm -rf / |
| 03:21 |
Warr1024 |
I always wanted to get someone with a url like http://host/path?auth=58749305&/sbin/reboot&key=4736383946565 |
| 03:22 |
Warr1024 |
if you happen to use a command line downloader like curl or wget |
| 03:22 |
Warr1024 |
and paste that into your prompt naively... |
| 03:23 |
Warr1024 |
I don't think it'll work on any realistically setup system though |
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* Zeno` |
clicks the link |
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* Zeno` |
*** No route to host |
| 03:27 |
Warr1024 |
yeah, it doesn't do anything interesting if you click |
| 03:28 |
Warr1024 |
hey, I noticed in narrow_to_wide_c |
| 03:28 |
Warr1024 |
this alwaus bugged me |
| 03:28 |
devmarth |
heh |
| 03:28 |
Warr1024 |
if char is 32..127, convert it |
| 03:28 |
Warr1024 |
else if \n, convert that |
| 03:28 |
Zeno` |
yeah it's dumb |
| 03:28 |
Warr1024 |
else... what? |
| 03:28 |
Zeno` |
else skip the character |
| 03:29 |
devmarth |
whats this? |
| 03:29 |
Warr1024 |
I guess it just squashes them into zero-width? |
| 03:29 |
Zeno` |
nobody knows what that function is really supposed to do |
| 03:29 |
Warr1024 |
ha |
| 03:29 |
Zeno` |
it's one of those mysteries of minetest |
| 03:29 |
Zeno` |
I know what it *does* do, but that's about it |
| 03:30 |
Warr1024 |
the nested loops for reverse conversion also irk me in principle, though realistically they're not all that bad, since the inner loop is short |
| 03:31 |
Warr1024 |
tempting to do a LUT or something, but I'm not too confident in the trade-off |
| 03:32 |
Warr1024 |
maybe the best long-term fix would be to get gettext ported to the NDK or something and re-unify text handling code for android and desktop |
| 03:53 |
WarrTab |
Android is also loading a ton faster since 0.4.10 |
| 03:55 |
ShadowNinja |
Zeno`: It's a replacement for mbstowcs because that function's broken on Android.. |
| 03:55 |
ShadowNinja |
-. |
| 03:55 |
Zeno` |
ShadowNinja, I know that much |
| 03:55 |
Zeno` |
:p |
| 03:55 |
Zeno` |
strangely enough that's not what the issue seemed to be |
| 03:56 |
Zeno` |
what I meant by I dunno what it does, was "I dunno if it does it properly" :) |
| 04:03 |
est31 |
just so lol: something is rm'ing inside travis build |
| 04:03 |
est31 |
here its missing make: https://travis-ci.org/est31/minetest/jobs/53429047#L2618 |
| 04:04 |
est31 |
and here you can see its there (output of ls): https://travis-ci.org/est31/minetest/jobs/53429047#L150 |
| 04:04 |
est31 |
black magic |
| 04:25 |
est31 |
DAMN |
| 04:25 |
est31 |
you should just damn google the error message |
| 04:25 |
est31 |
http://askubuntu.com/questions/167530/why-cant-i-run-any-android-ndk-commands |
| 04:25 |
est31 |
*facepalm* |
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devmarth |
Zeno how do I upload a directory to git? |
| 05:01 |
devmarth |
* Zeno` |
| 05:03 |
devmarth |
eh nvm |
| 05:03 |
Zeno` |
worked it out? |
| 05:03 |
Zeno` |
the github instructions are pretty useful as well |
| 05:07 |
Zeno` |
Maybe he did it wrong |
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Zeno` |
WarrTab, you still here? |
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* VanessaE |
pokes Zeno` ... just because. |
| 06:24 |
Zeno` |
ouch :( |
| 06:27 |
VanessaE |
aw |
| 06:27 |
VanessaE |
it was just a friendly, gentle poke :) |
| 06:27 |
Zeno` |
no. it hurt! |
| 06:29 |
Zeno` |
hurt worse than a paper cut |
| 06:30 |
VanessaE |
D: |
| 06:31 |
* VanessaE |
hides |
| 06:32 |
Zeno` |
blood everywhere! |
| 06:51 |
VanessaE |
bbl, bed |
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devmarth_ |
hey, anybody (preferably zeno, youve been a great help!) know why i get this error when compiling this: http://github.com/blokel (my compile script is in the README) |
| 07:00 |
devmarth_ |
Makefile:133: recipe for target 'all' failed make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 07:04 |
Zeno` |
there should be more errors than just that |
| 07:07 |
devmarth_ |
i might have fixed it when i just tried something, but here, you try compiling with http://pastebin.com/j6tmWKNg that script, and tell me if u get errors |
| 07:07 |
devmarth_ |
if youre not busy |
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devmarth_ |
im trying myself too, but if there is still errors, hopefully you can see too (if you dont want to compile, i can pastebin everything if you want) |
| 07:10 |
est31_ |
pastebin the errors yes |
| 07:10 |
devmarth_ |
compiling is at 36%. also i can compile minetest itself fine, its an error with the fork im working on.. |
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| 07:14 |
Zeno` |
that's a freeminer fork though |
| 07:14 |
devmarth_ |
No. |
| 07:14 |
Zeno` |
oh |
| 07:14 |
devmarth_ |
It used to be, but I deleted it and forked it directly from Minetest, as you can see at http://github.com/blokel/blokel |
| 07:14 |
Zeno` |
it was the other day when I looked :)_ |
| 07:15 |
Zeno` |
hehe serves me right for not checking again today |
| 07:15 |
devmarth_ |
You're right, that was an outdated source I had on GitHub and never got around to updating it, so it's not your fault :P |
| 07:15 |
Zeno` |
I have a memory like a sieve, that's why I remembered it |
| 07:15 |
devmarth_ |
Sorry for being so annoying today, trying to get some stuff done that the dev wiki seems to not cover :P |
| 07:15 |
Zeno` |
something like that anyway |
| 07:16 |
Zeno` |
the dev wiki doesn't cover much tbh |
| 07:16 |
devmarth_ |
Yeah. I've already read the entire thing. |
| 07:16 |
Zeno` |
I can't use that script, I'm sorry (I don't use a debian based distro) |
| 07:16 |
Zeno` |
but it looks ok |
| 07:17 |
Zeno` |
I would do "out of source builds though |
| 07:17 |
Zeno` |
e.g. mdkir minetest-build; cd minetest-build; cmake .. -DENABLE_GETTEXT=1 -DENABLE_FREETYPE=1 -DENABLE_LEVELDB=1 -DENABLE_REDIS=1; make -j$(grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo) |
| 07:17 |
devmarth_ |
http://pastebin.com/gtkTHdUE |
| 07:18 |
devmarth_ |
thats my entire output from running the script |
| 07:18 |
devmarth_ |
and of course, you know where the source is :P |
| 07:18 |
Zeno` |
you're missing a closing ) at /home/devmarth/blokel/src/guiEngine.cpp:174:61 |
| 07:18 |
Zeno` |
i.e. line 142 of guiEngine.cpp |
| 07:18 |
Zeno` |
err 174 |
| 07:19 |
devmarth_ |
oh it was a typo |
| 07:19 |
devmarth_ |
any other errors (probably typos) |
| 07:19 |
devmarth_ |
? |
| 07:20 |
Zeno` |
not in what you pasted |
| 07:21 |
devmarth_ |
also before i go and compile it, can you tell me how to rename the output "minetest"? in the /bin folder by default xD I looked for hours in the dev wiki and it is nowhere to be found |
| 07:21 |
devmarth_ |
It's quite annoying for people starting out with core development (I am pretty fluent in the lua part of it) |
| 07:21 |
devmarth_ |
i want it to be "blokel" so i can type "./blokel" and itll run |
| 07:22 |
devmarth_ |
currently its "./minetest" |
| 07:22 |
Zeno` |
e.g. corrected: mdkir minetest-build; cd minetest-build; cmake ../minetest -DENABLE_GETTEXT=1 -DENABLE_FREETYPE=1 -DENABLE_LEVELDB=1 -DENABLE_REDIS=1; make -j$(grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo) |
| 07:23 |
devmarth_ |
Do i need to use that? Isn't my current compile script fine? |
| 07:23 |
devmarth_ |
the one here: http://pastebin.com/j6tmWKNg |
| 07:23 |
est31 |
devmarth_, there is currently an open pull request that does some fork-friendly changes |
| 07:23 |
devmarth_ |
what do you mean by fork friendly? est31 |
| 07:23 |
Zeno` |
devmarth_, it's fine... it's just leaves all the crap in the actual source directory (I personally don't like that but a lot of people don't mind) |
| 07:24 |
devmarth_ |
Zeno`, do you know how to make it build blokelserver and blokel instead of minetest and minetestserver? in the /bin? |
| 07:24 |
est31 |
devmarth_, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2402 |
| 07:25 |
est31 |
its still hardcoded |
| 07:25 |
Zeno` |
personally I'd wait until the pull request shown by est31 is merged, but... |
| 07:26 |
Zeno` |
or don't wait |
| 07:26 |
est31 |
PR doesnt help in that issue |
| 07:27 |
Zeno` |
oh it's still hardcoded? |
| 07:27 |
est31 |
as I said its still hardcoded there |
| 07:27 |
devmarth_ |
i can wait i guess, it doesnt really have anything i desire immediately |
| 07:27 |
Zeno` |
well once ShadowNinja fixes that you can patch the PR to your own repository without waiting |
| 07:28 |
est31 |
I dont think whether it should be fixed |
| 07:28 |
est31 |
don't know* |
| 07:28 |
devmarth_ |
and then it seems all the edits like versions and naming the game seems to be in CMakeLists |
| 07:28 |
devmarth_ |
so if he fixes it, ill do that for easing the process |
| 07:29 |
est31 |
because source filenames can't be set by a variable |
| 07:29 |
devmarth_ |
oh duh |
| 07:29 |
est31 |
btw whats the motivation for the fork? |
| 07:29 |
est31 |
:) |
| 07:30 |
devmarth_ |
just improving upon minetest, making it better and adding features i like, like rpg features, and the use of mapgenv7 |
| 07:31 |
devmarth_ |
cuz mapgenv7 is stone right now unless you have a lua mapgen with compatibility i believe |
| 07:31 |
devmarth_ |
not too sure |
| 07:31 |
est31 |
dunno paramat is mapgen pro |
| 07:32 |
devmarth_ |
hell yeah |
| 07:32 |
Zeno` |
well my android version works now |
| 07:32 |
devmarth_ |
mine wont be anything like his |
| 07:32 |
Zeno` |
but I'm paranoid after the last few days :/ |
| 07:32 |
devmarth_ |
i got an android port to work once but the GUI was tiny so it took fiddling to make it "usable" |
| 07:33 |
est31 |
I agree current android gui wastes space especially in main menu |
| 07:33 |
Zeno` |
anyway once somebody confirms I'll push the change |
| 07:33 |
est31 |
especially on phone |
| 07:33 |
devmarth_ |
nice |
| 07:33 |
est31 |
there should be some way to do if phone then no-space else do-space endif |
| 07:34 |
devmarth_ |
thatll be released under 0.5.dev branch right if its pushed? |
| 07:34 |
est31 |
I lost oversight over that 0=0 |
| 07:34 |
devmarth_ |
what? |
| 07:35 |
est31 |
about branching behaviour |
| 07:35 |
devmarth_ |
never forget about that |
| 07:35 |
est31 |
I guess the situation is that all breaking stuff gets to that branch else master |
| 07:36 |
est31 |
but it seems it isnt even sure it gets merged |
| 07:36 |
est31 |
I dunno |
| 07:36 |
devmarth_ |
im kinda suprised with the fast updates recently. i remember 0.4.9 took forever to get to 0.4.10 |
| 07:36 |
est31 |
0.4.12 was a bugfix release |
| 07:36 |
Zeno` |
yes, a release to add bugs |
| 07:36 |
Zeno` |
I mean, fix |
| 07:36 |
devmarth_ |
lmao |
| 07:36 |
devmarth_ |
yeah, i saw the changelog |
| 07:37 |
Zeno` |
nah, I mean add |
| 07:37 |
Zeno` |
we had a secret name for it |
| 07:37 |
devmarth_ |
hold on, got another error, lemme pastebin it quickly, and can u take a look? |
| 07:37 |
Zeno` |
it's hidden in the binary |
| 07:37 |
Zeno` |
"the buggiest release yet!" |
| 07:37 |
est31 |
strings? |
| 07:38 |
Zeno` |
yeah use strings |
| 07:38 |
* Zeno` |
runs away |
| 07:38 |
devmarth_ |
[sudo] password for prestotron: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done build-essential is already the newest version. cmake is already the newest version. libbz2-dev is already the newest version. libgettextpo-dev is already the newest version. libjpeg8-dev is already the newest version. libogg-dev is already the newest version. libpng12-dev is already the newest version. |
| 07:38 |
devmarth_ |
oh shit |
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devmarth_ |
i thought i copied the link |
| 07:39 |
devmarth_ |
http://pastebin.com/Tr4uWxm6 |
| 07:39 |
devmarth_ |
im such an idiot wtf |
| 07:39 |
devmarth_ |
anyways, there it is, probably more typos because its 2am and im tired |
| 07:40 |
est31 |
YAAAAY HOORRRAAAAYYYY |
| 07:40 |
est31 |
https://travis-ci.org/est31/minetest/jobs/53436997 |
| 07:40 |
est31 |
8 hours of android building finally result in a working build |
| 07:40 |
est31 |
yesssss |
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* est31 |
does the happy dance |
| 07:40 |
devmarth_ |
does it look nice? |
| 07:41 |
est31 |
depends on taste |
| 07:41 |
devmarth_ |
Zeno`, if I give you contributor access to the fork, can you go in and patch it up? Or just tell me? :P http://pastebin.com/Tr4uWxm6 |
| 07:42 |
est31 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2287 |
| 07:42 |
est31 |
devmarth_, you just need a ) before the ; |
| 07:42 |
devmarth_ |
Where? |
| 07:43 |
devmarth_ |
what file i mean, and line # |
| 07:43 |
est31 |
guiEngine.cpp line 572 |
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devmarth_ |
same file, different line ugh |
| 07:43 |
devmarth_ |
i knew it was typos |
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est31 |
" std::wstring toset = narrow_to_wide( std::string("Blokel 0.5.0")" |
| 07:43 |
est31 |
thats what you can / for |
| 07:45 |
devmarth_ |
here goes another 15 minute compile .-. |
| 07:45 |
est31 |
just do make |
| 07:46 |
devmarth_ |
http://pastebin.com/j6tmWKNg |
| 07:46 |
devmarth_ |
thats my current compile script i wrote |
| 07:46 |
est31 |
modern build systems have the feature of only updating changed files |
| 07:46 |
devmarth_ |
it uses make |
| 07:47 |
devmarth_ |
Oh, i'm just compiling from source every time, instead of doing it locally |
| 07:47 |
est31 |
perhaps its most cleanest way but I dont recommend that for actual development. you have to compile very often, and waiting for compiler can slow you down |
| 07:47 |
est31 |
or rather will |
| 07:48 |
devmarth_ |
definately |
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devmarth_ |
53% :/ |
| 07:50 |
Zeno` |
it the est31 phone working yet? |
| 07:50 |
est31 |
no but the build |
| 07:50 |
est31 |
get ready for android travis PR |
| 07:50 |
devmarth_ |
heh |
| 07:50 |
Zeno` |
the build should be fine |
| 07:51 |
devmarth_ |
btw zeno, what distro are you running, jw since its not debian you said |
| 07:52 |
Zeno` |
Fedora |
| 07:52 |
devmarth_ |
I love fedora. |
| 07:52 |
devmarth_ |
21? |
| 07:53 |
Zeno` |
yep 21 (since about 3 days ago) |
| 07:53 |
Zeno` |
before that I was still on 20 |
| 07:53 |
devmarth_ |
btw im pretty sure you could just change "apt-get" to "yum" and remove the dependencies (since u already installed it) and it would compile |
| 07:53 |
devmarth_ |
fedora was my first distro i ever used. i still use it to this day |
| 07:53 |
Zeno` |
well I could, but my user isn't in the sudoer list and I won't add myself |
| 07:54 |
Zeno` |
I don't particularly like sudo |
| 07:54 |
devmarth_ |
ah alright |
| 07:54 |
devmarth_ |
what do you use then? |
| 07:54 |
Zeno` |
su - |
| 07:54 |
devmarth_ |
ah root |
| 07:54 |
Zeno` |
yes |
| 07:54 |
devmarth_ |
i see |
| 07:54 |
Zeno` |
If I am root I know I'm root |
| 07:54 |
devmarth_ |
makes sense |
| 07:54 |
Zeno` |
I don't get complacent with sudo blah |
| 07:55 |
Zeno` |
I'd rather switch to root, do my stuff, get out :) |
| 07:55 |
devmarth_ |
yeah, being pestered with password entries every command :P |
| 07:55 |
devmarth_ |
99% lets goo |
| 07:55 |
est31 |
no, sudo has a cache |
| 07:55 |
est31 |
I have no root passwod |
| 07:55 |
devmarth_ |
wtf |
| 07:55 |
est31 |
I do sudo bash |
| 07:56 |
devmarth_ |
I opened the game up and it just closes immediately |
| 07:56 |
devmarth_ |
it had no errors |
| 07:56 |
devmarth_ |
Can someone check this out? |
| 07:56 |
Zeno` |
even when I use ubuntu the first thing I do is set a password for root hehe |
| 07:56 |
devmarth_ |
wait nvm |
| 07:57 |
devmarth_ |
i see errors in lua |
| 07:57 |
Zeno` |
if you disable external password logins there isn't any real reason not to |
| 07:57 |
Zeno` |
(i.e. external logins using RSA only) |
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est31 |
yea I guess its a taste question |
| 07:57 |
Zeno` |
or whatever crypto.. just not passwords |
| 07:57 |
Zeno` |
yeah it is just a matter of taste |
| 07:57 |
est31 |
rot27 |
| 07:58 |
Zeno` |
I don't think login supports rot27 yet |
| 07:58 |
Zeno` |
they haven't even got around to implementing rot13 |
| 07:58 |
devmarth_ |
in the tab_credits.lua, i have " return "label[0.5,3.2;Blokel 0.5.0"]" " |
| 07:58 |
devmarth_ |
it says it has an unecpected end |
| 07:59 |
devmarth_ |
wait |
| 07:59 |
devmarth_ |
i got it |
| 08:00 |
devmarth_ |
no i dont got it |
| 08:00 |
devmarth_ |
https://github.com/blokel/blokel/blob/master/builtin/mainmenu/tab_credits.lua |
| 08:01 |
devmarth_ |
Line 25, whats wrong? |
| 08:01 |
devmarth_ |
Looks good to me |
| 08:05 |
devmarth_ |
yo Zeno` est321, see any probs? |
| 08:06 |
devmarth_ |
woah nvm |
| 08:06 |
devmarth_ |
im dumb |
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Zeno` |
bbl |
| 08:25 |
Zeno` |
time for me to cook din din |
| 08:25 |
Zeno` |
I'll probably have gourmet noodles tonight |
| 08:25 |
Zeno` |
lol. |
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Zeno` |
(cbf cooking for once) |
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Krock |
meow |
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CWz |
For some reason placing a tree block doesn't seem to appear in console |
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Krock |
CWz, log level = 0? |
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CWz |
no |
| 08:48 |
CWz |
other blocks do trigger a notice when placed |
| 08:48 |
CWz |
fences also seem effected by the bug |
| 08:49 |
CWz |
Test also show that tree block will not obey protection when placed |
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devmarth_ |
Hey, I just accidently changed my GUI scaling and for some reason, I am unable to change it back. I even compiled a fresh copy of it and nothing worked. which is weird |
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Krock |
!tell devmarth_ use a text editor to modify the minetest.conf scale setting |
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MinetestBot |
Krock: yeah, yeah |
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Krock |
blokel developers are better than freeminer and freeminer is better than minetest. (looking at the commit history) |
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CWz |
In what way is freeminer devs are better then minetest? |
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Krock |
I'm speaking of the commit frequency |
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Krock |
not the content of it |
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[git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: Fix Android text bug (no text displaying) 5698e2b http://git.io/pTQr (2015-03-07T20:51:07+10:00) |
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Krock |
boredom exists and I can't even play Minetest on my own server without risking to crash the Wireless network :( |
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[git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: For usages of assert() that are meant to persist in Release builds (when NDEBUG is defined), replace those usages with persistent alternatives ced6d20 http://git.io/pkcy (2015-03-07T22:41:47+10:00) |
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Krock |
!c 44 * 8 |
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MinetestBot |
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Jordach |
BFD: Minetest's most stable subgame: <JD-BFD> Server has been running for 188:10:17 |
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Jordach |
Krock, still can't crash my own subgame :D |
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* Krock |
gives Jordach some old cookie he found under a table |
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exio4 |
Krock: frequency ain't quality |
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Krock |
I totally agree |
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* Jordach |
feels like making a subgame known as Voxel |
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Jordach |
2 legit 2 quit: http://a.pomf.se/wgokdk.png |
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Zeno` |
who wants a nice piece of salmon grilled on the bbq with some subtle spices and served with a fresh salad? |
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Zeno` |
I think I will use australian spices |
| 14:39 |
Zeno` |
lemon myrtle, tasmanian pepper, and australian salt bush |
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CWz |
um i think zeno broke minetest |
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CWz |
after git pull minetest passout after being started |
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* ElectronLibre |
checks if it compiles.. |
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Jordach |
Krock, pls |
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Krock |
wat |
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Krock |
U want more cookies? |
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Jordach |
yes :e |
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Jordach |
:3 |
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ElectronLibre |
( CWz, I have no problem. But I'm using a GNU/Linux self-compiled version, and from what I can guess from #minetest-dev there is something about M$ Windows' sizing.) |
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Zeno` |
CWz, it's fixed now |
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Zeno` |
and yes, a change as big as that so that *minetest handles errors properly instead of using shitty code* was bound to cause hiccups :) |
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Jordach |
Minetest handles errors correctly? |
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Jordach |
that's a first |
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Zeno` |
well, not it doesn't |
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Jordach |
and can we please have a HTML like formspec system |
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Zeno` |
I pushed a change that aims towards that though |
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Jordach |
(eg, have fluid positioning based on percentages instead of fixed size) |
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Zeno` |
and it cause a minor issue lol |
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Jordach |
i like Taoki's pull to be merged so my mesh chests get an upgraade |
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Jordach |
also client sided animations would save me a lot of work too |
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Jordach |
so it predicts how the entity will animate instead of waiting for a byte flag from the server |
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* Jordach |
meows at sfan5 |
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WarrTab |
Zeno, thanks for fixing android |
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WarrTab |
You fixed it all in one commit |
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WarrTab |
I'd have expected a commit that half fixed it, then another that fixed half of what was left, ad infinitum, never quite fixing it completely... |
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Zeno` |
WarrTab, you're welcome. I think others are happy as well |
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Zeno` |
I know I'm happy. It was starting to annoy me |
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WarrTab |
Please tell me I'm not the first one to make that joke ;-) |
| 15:36 |
Zeno` |
Oh, there are very few "firsts" in this world lol |
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Zeno` |
thank *you* btw, for helping earlier |
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WarrTab |
There are still a couple of annoyances left in android btw |
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Zeno` |
couple? or 90? |
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WarrTab |
I have that free-touch option enabled, but it won't let me target stuff on like the top third of my screen |
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Zeno` |
list them somewhere and I'll try and address them. After today I've decided to have tomorrow off |
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WarrTab |
Also I don't know why I can't get v_range above 50 even though I have plenty want_fps to spare |
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Zeno` |
WarrTab, that's an issue with Linux as well |
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WarrTab |
Are you the android maintainer now? |
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Zeno` |
dunno about windows |
| 15:38 |
Zeno` |
no I'm not! |
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WarrTab |
:-) |
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WarrTab |
I wonder if I grep -r 50 the src if I'll find the cause... |
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Zeno` |
But I bought an android to play with and dev for so I will fix issues when/if I can |
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WarrTab |
Awesome |
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Zeno` |
right now... 1:40AM |
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* Zeno` |
idles :) |
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exio4 |
:o it's party time |
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Zeno` |
I will party in my bed alone? |
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Zeno` |
lmao |
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WarrTab |
Ha, also forgot about the gui controls needing a shadow so as not to get lost in the clouds, like we had to do for text. |
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WarrTab |
I'll have to spend some time searching the existing bug db |
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Zeno` |
shouldn't take more than a day |
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Warr1024 |
it seems that I can't add labels to my own issues? |
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Warr1024 |
(or maybe I'm just not seeing how in the UI) |
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Warr1024 |
whoops, figured out why v_range wouldn't go above 50 |
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Warr1024 |
I guess the default setting for viewing_range_nodes_max is 50, at least on android. |
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Warr1024 |
I set mine in minetest.conf via a text editor and it worked. |
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ElectronLibre |
If I remember correctly, only contributors with write access can add labels. |
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Warr1024 |
ok, that's fine. I just figured that if I knew enough to tag my own issues, it could save them some work. |
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Warr1024 |
yeah, the built-in default viewing_range_nodes_max for desktop is 240, while for android it's 50. |
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Warr1024 |
not unreasonable for a phone, but a bit limiting for a 10-inch tablet. |
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Warr1024 |
now I'm having a hard time reproducing my issue with free-touch being finicky on android. |
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Warr1024 |
maybe it's only if I'm doing certain things...? |
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Warr1024 |
When I'm logging into a server, what's going on during the "Done!" step on the progress bar? |
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Warr1024 |
On fast enough devices/networks, it seems to take up a notable portion of the loading time, so if it's not doing something actually useful beyond a "get ready to dive into the action" delay, it would be nice to be able to skip it with a click/tap or something. |
| 17:19 |
ElectronLibre |
I have no idea, but in my opinion it's not time to press the "esc" button. It must be starting to draw the nodes, meshes, and sending first informations to other clients. |
| 17:19 |
est31 |
progress bar code is here https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/ced6d20295a8263757d57c02a07ffcb66688a163/src/client.cpp#L1558 |
| 17:21 |
Warr1024 |
hm, so maybe it's the server that's working then, processing the "ready" signal from the client. |
| 17:21 |
Warr1024 |
I was worried it was one of those questionable usability changes I sometimes see, and behind the scenes was a sleep or something. |
| 17:22 |
Warr1024 |
My favorite questionable sleep call was on TurboTax web, where they had these "please wait while we maximize your tax refund" screens. |
| 17:22 |
Warr1024 |
they were pointless flash animations, since those calculations were done continuously on every page load. |
| 17:24 |
Warr1024 |
but I figure that anyone might be prone to adding something like that after they get like the 5th bug report from a user saying "it told me to wait, but then the game just started without telling me it was done" |
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| 17:38 |
Warr1024 |
I think I figured out how the "android is finicky about digging nodes above eye-level" thing works. |
| 17:38 |
Warr1024 |
if your viewport is facing below the horizon, you can't dig nodes above eye-level, but if it's facing above the horizon, everything works as normal. |
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| 17:41 |
btoothpick |
I wish the Run Lua in worldedit would let me just past .we files. |
| 17:41 |
btoothpick |
It's a pain in the neck to get them in the worlds/world/schems folder |
| 17:41 |
Krock |
what do you mean? |
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Krock |
I thought they're saved there automatically |
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| 17:43 |
btoothpick |
Well if I find a .we that I want online I can't just put it in a server |
| 17:44 |
btoothpick |
Without logging into the server and doing a wget or something similar |
| 17:44 |
btoothpick |
I'd like to just be able to past the .we file in the RUN LUA section |
| 17:44 |
T4im |
retrieving it remotly via WE opens a lot of possible security issues though |
| 17:44 |
Krock |
exactly. |
| 17:45 |
Sokomine |
hmm. the game still seems to hang for me for microscopic parts of a second. i didn't have this before |
| 17:45 |
T4im |
having that extra step of having to download it makes sure for example that you have server access before possibly being granted server access ;) |
| 17:45 |
* Sokomine |
looks puzzled |
| 17:45 |
Sokomine |
happened with one of the recent changes...somehow |
| 17:47 |
btoothpick |
Understand. I want to put this connect 4 game in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/cornernote/minetest-worlds/master/board_games/schems/minigame_connect4.we |
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Sokomine |
connect 4? a game as a schematic? or is it only the board? |
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| 17:55 |
T4im |
btoothpick: the problem is, that there's always a chance that someone that has _no_ server access, only worldedit access, manages to supply an unechecked schematic that is capable of "breaking out" and executing custom lua code… to prevent that there would have to be a lot more checking on the schematic… maybe there is, probably not (I assume lazyness prevails)… |
| 17:57 |
T4im |
that said, why don't you just write a quick minimod for your own use that does what you want? download a file and sort it into the right folder |
| 17:57 |
T4im |
:) |
| 17:57 |
est31 |
without mod security, this can quickly be upgraded even to shell access |
| 17:58 |
est31 |
which is horrible |
| 17:58 |
T4im |
well that's what lua code implies, yea :( |
| 17:58 |
T4im |
os.execute() or what it was |
| 17:58 |
est31 |
Not when this one gets merged: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1606 |
| 17:58 |
btoothpick |
Looks like I have some puzzles to solve. |
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Sokomine |
T4im: depends. we files are usually tables (at least they where the last time i checked), while .mts is a compressed, well defined format. i think .mts ought to be reasonably safe |
| 17:59 |
T4im |
hmm that requires some mintest.mkdir() then ;) |
| 18:01 |
Sokomine |
the other way around might be safer - i.e. offer a mail service for mailing the player an .mts file of the area he protected |
| 18:01 |
T4im |
true |
| 18:01 |
T4im |
well.. with some care :D |
| 18:01 |
T4im |
spamrelay and that |
| 18:02 |
Sokomine |
*nod* |
| 18:02 |
Sokomine |
redcrab has this nice way of gaining interact...it's verified by email |
| 18:03 |
T4im |
all requiring some form of require() or os.execute() though then :/ |
| 18:03 |
T4im |
meaning if that mod security thing comes it might become just as jailed in ;) |
| 18:03 |
T4im |
but generally a good thing |
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| 18:07 |
est31 |
I'm personally a friend of world downloads |
| 18:09 |
Jordach |
<3 isometric art |
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| 18:13 |
Jordach |
is this a vector? http://a.pomf.se/cvqzts.png |
| 18:14 |
ElectronLibre |
To me it's a voice ("vox" in latin). |
| 18:19 |
Megaf |
Whoah! Im alive! |
| 18:19 |
Megaf |
Hello everyone! |
| 18:19 |
ElectronLibre |
Hello Megaf. |
| 18:19 |
Megaf |
uptime |
| 18:19 |
Megaf |
13:09:28 up 28 days, 21:52, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.06 |
| 18:19 |
Megaf |
:D |
| 18:20 |
Megaf |
going to reboot now for reboots sake |
| 18:20 |
Jordach |
Megaf, damn |
| 18:20 |
Jordach |
i got 190+ hours |
| 18:20 |
ElectronLibre |
Oh, 28 days, not bad. |
| 18:20 |
Jordach |
[18:20:24] <JD-BFD> Server has been running for 192:48:47 |
| 18:21 |
Krock |
ShadowBot, give sfan5 https://gist.github.com/SmallJoker/cd4d2685a8d8ec9c3891 |
| 18:21 |
ShadowBot |
sfan5: <https://gist.github.com/SmallJoker/cd4d2685a8d8ec9c3891> |
| 18:21 |
Megaf |
Thats actually the container where I run my server, the host itself is slitly higher uptime |
| 18:21 |
Megaf |
# uptime |
| 18:21 |
Megaf |
18:21:05 up 29 days, 1:51, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.05, 0.20 |
| 18:21 |
Megaf |
going to reboot it too |
| 18:22 |
Megaf |
I think my best minetest uptime was 3 months |
| 18:22 |
Krock |
Jordach, that's a very realistic... thing |
| 18:23 |
est31 |
Megaf, I hope you still do backups using some db lock trick? |
| 18:23 |
Megaf |
est31: I no longer do that uptime crazy stuff |
| 18:23 |
Megaf |
now a days I stop the server and back it up almost every day |
| 18:24 |
est31 |
no cronjob for that? quite ambitious :D |
| 18:24 |
Megaf |
est31: no contrab, I do that MANualy |
| 18:24 |
Megaf |
lol |
| 18:28 |
Megaf |
the only automation I have is a script that set some iptables rules and a script that remove old build files and then run a new cmake |
| 18:28 |
Megaf |
other stuff I like seeing whats going on |
| 18:32 |
Megaf |
Sokomine: Im going to add some of your mods to my server soon |
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| 18:33 |
Megaf |
Sokomine: Windmill and the large one, bridges and some others |
| 18:33 |
Megaf |
anything I should know before adding them? |
| 18:33 |
Megaf |
cheapie: is plasticbox stable too? I'm adding it too |
| 18:34 |
Megaf |
and spawn :) |
| 18:34 |
Megaf |
and infractruscture and streets |
| 18:34 |
EndymionM |
Um, question - does homedecor include a book I can write in or paper I can write on? |
| 18:34 |
est31 |
EndymionM, yes it does |
| 18:34 |
est31 |
any colored book can be written into |
| 18:35 |
EndymionM |
est31: Ah, that'd be the issue then, thanks. |
| 18:35 |
est31 |
np |
| 18:36 |
Megaf |
areas mod still borked, is there any mod compatbile with it? |
| 18:36 |
est31 |
borked?? |
| 18:36 |
est31 |
which mod do you mean Megaf? |
| 18:36 |
Megaf |
hm |
| 18:36 |
Megaf |
advanced area protection or something liek that |
| 18:36 |
est31 |
Shadowninjas port? |
| 18:36 |
Megaf |
borked = not working properly |
| 18:37 |
Megaf |
est31: yep |
| 18:37 |
est31 |
s/port/version/ |
| 18:37 |
est31 |
why borked |
| 18:37 |
est31 |
its working fine on trepca server, and on all of VanessaE's servers |
| 18:37 |
Megaf |
and /listareas works? |
| 18:38 |
est31 |
Its perhaps /list_areas |
| 18:38 |
est31 |
what is the issue? |
| 18:38 |
est31 |
for me it does |
| 18:42 |
Jordach |
http://a.pomf.se/hoefbs.png ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
| 18:43 |
Megaf |
cheapie: your mod streets still broken |
| 18:43 |
Megaf |
13:43:01: ERROR[main]: /home/minetest/MegafServer/bin/../mods/streets/streetsmod/init.lua: |
| 18:43 |
Megaf |
13:43:01: ERROR[main]: cannot open /home/minetest/MegafServer/bin/../mods/streets/streetsmod/libs/smartfs/smartfs.lua: No such file or directory |
| 18:44 |
est31 |
bye |
| 18:44 |
Megaf |
cheapie: https://github.com/webdesigner97/streets/issues/42#issue-60218850 |
| 18:45 |
T4im |
Megaf: that's you not downloading the submodule |
| 18:45 |
T4im |
;) |
| 18:46 |
Megaf |
T4im: I did a git clone on his repo |
| 18:46 |
Megaf |
thats how it should work |
| 18:46 |
Megaf |
T4im: how do I fix that? |
| 18:46 |
T4im |
only if that clone has a --recurse-submodules |
| 18:46 |
T4im |
git submodule update should fix it |
| 18:47 |
T4im |
"git submodule update" |
| 18:47 |
T4im |
:) |
| 18:48 |
T4im |
he should probably write that down somewhere in the readme |
| 18:49 |
Megaf |
T4im: submodule update didnt work but a fres git clone --recurse-submodules did it |
| 18:49 |
Megaf |
Thanks |
| 18:49 |
T4im |
ok :) |
| 18:50 |
Megaf |
T4im: And by the way, it was me indeed there earlier on :P |
| 18:50 |
T4im |
I know ;) |
| 18:51 |
Megaf |
ok, I should have some new cool blocks now |
| 18:51 |
Megaf |
cheapie: sorry, streets actually work |
| 18:51 |
Megaf |
is there anything that can be done to make a git clone work with that mod without the need of --recurse-submodules ? |
| 18:52 |
T4im |
smartfs is in there via submodule… and since it's an external git repo, that's not wrong per se |
| 18:52 |
T4im |
"git submodule update" should have worked though.. its supposed to clone missing submodules :/ |
| 18:53 |
T4im |
its also used to update them to the ref that the git repo tells you to have |
| 18:53 |
T4im |
submodules can make sure you have the "right" version with you |
| 18:54 |
T4im |
though I wished there was a shorter parameter available :D |
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| 18:55 |
T4im |
oh pardon me… I just realized you'd have to do git submodule update --init the first time |
| 18:55 |
T4im |
that's why it didn't work :D |
| 18:56 |
T4im |
but the clone does that implicitly, so that's not needed anymore now |
| 18:56 |
Megaf |
the bridges mod is quite nice actually |
| 19:08 |
Megaf |
I think ifrastructure wasnt activated on my server |
| 19:08 |
Megaf |
streets is active tho |
| 19:12 |
Megaf |
T4im: How is the concrete mod called again? |
| 19:12 |
T4im |
prefab |
| 19:12 |
Megaf |
Thanks |
| 19:13 |
T4im |
Megaf: https://github.com/VanessaE/prefab |
| 19:14 |
Megaf |
Thanks a million |
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Megaf |
oh, I need technic =/ |
| 19:18 |
Megaf |
14:18:06: ERROR[main]: mod "infrastructure" has unsatisfied dependencies: "digilines" "prefab" "technic" |
| 19:18 |
Megaf |
thats sad |
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| 19:20 |
devmarth |
I set my GUI Scale Factor way too high and screwed up, now even when I reinstall the game or compile from scratch, it's still unusable ebcause the GUI scale is too high |
| 19:20 |
devmarth |
Any suggestions? |
| 19:20 |
Megaf |
yep |
| 19:20 |
ElectronLibre |
Close minetest. Remove the GUI's scale value from your minetest.conf and restart minetest. |
| 19:20 |
Megaf |
it depends on your OS |
| 19:21 |
devmarth |
I just compiled it, so theres nothing but minetest.conf.example and I tried making one manually |
| 19:21 |
devmarth |
No help. |
| 19:21 |
devmarth |
I'm running Ubuntu. |
| 19:21 |
T4im |
try ~/.minetest or so |
| 19:21 |
devmarth |
I did. |
| 19:22 |
T4im |
or in ~/.config/ maybe? |
| 19:22 |
ElectronLibre |
Try in your source directory (where minetest is extracted/cloned and compiled). |
| 19:22 |
devmarth |
Ah, yes. How did I forget about the hidden files in /home |
| 19:22 |
devmarth |
I pressed Ctrl + H, and it let me goto the minetest dir |
| 19:23 |
Megaf |
VanessaE: 14:22:29: ERROR[main]: /home/minetest/MegafServer/bin/../mods/castles/init.lua: |
| 19:23 |
Megaf |
14:22:29: ERROR[main]: /home/minetest/MegafServer/bin/../builtin/game/register.lua:60: Name castle:pillars_stonewall_bottom does not follow naming conventions: "modname:" or ":" prefix required |
| 19:23 |
T4im |
Megaf: make sure that mod also is named "castle" then |
| 19:23 |
ElectronLibre |
The modname is castle, why is the directory called castles? |
| 19:25 |
devmarth |
Yeah, notice "castle:pillars", which means the modname should be "castle" and not "castles" in extension to the above message |
| 19:25 |
Megaf |
now, thats weird, I had a mod called castle and anotehr called acastles |
| 19:26 |
Megaf |
I removed castle and castles and did a new git clone of castles |
| 19:26 |
Megaf |
and now I get this, 14:24:52: ERROR[main]: /home/minetest/MegafServer/bin/../mods/castles/init.lua:1: attempt to concatenate a nil value |
| 19:26 |
Megaf |
14:24:52: ERROR[main]: stack traceback: |
| 19:26 |
Megaf |
14:24:52: ERROR[main]: /home/minetest/MegafServer/bin/../mods/castles/init.lua:1: in main chunk |
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Megaf was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com. |
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* Megaf |
kicks the stupid ShadowBot |
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devmarth |
Heh |
| 19:27 |
devmarth |
ShadowBot has a pastebin crush |
| 19:28 |
Megaf |
well, the mod castles get files from the folder castle |
| 19:28 |
Megaf |
thats askward |
| 19:28 |
Megaf |
akward |
| 19:29 |
Megaf |
awkward |
| 19:29 |
Megaf |
I give up |
| 19:29 |
devmarth |
combine them into a modpack or something |
| 19:30 |
Megaf |
renamed the mod castles to castle and now it works |
| 19:30 |
Megaf |
I wonder if people even test their own mods... |
| 19:31 |
Megaf |
they make just very basic naming mistakes... |
| 19:32 |
devmarth |
heh |
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| 19:47 |
Megaf |
Nice post https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=138999&sid=44bb04d838b49fdf778f4f277565f556#p138999 |
| 19:50 |
devmarth |
Does anyone know a way I can just like download someones pull request, like all the changed files? |
| 19:51 |
Calinou |
devmarth, clone their fork! |
| 19:51 |
Calinou |
it's that easy |
| 19:51 |
devmarth |
Oh yes! |
| 19:51 |
Calinou |
if you want all the changed files, you'll have to make a diff |
| 19:51 |
devmarth |
Yeah, I just want the changed files |
| 19:51 |
devmarth |
http://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2402 |
| 19:52 |
devmarth |
I want to download 45 of the changed files. |
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| 19:52 |
devmarth |
I know you can clone it, I just want just the 45 files, not everything else haha |
| 19:52 |
Calinou |
you'll have to clone the whole repository :P |
| 19:53 |
Calinou |
or… |
| 19:53 |
Calinou |
perhaps you can use “git am†|
| 19:53 |
devmarth |
I've never heard of that git command |
| 19:53 |
devmarth |
What does it do? |
| 19:53 |
Calinou |
it merges patches, IIRC |
| 19:54 |
devmarth |
I dont want to merge, I just want 45 files, but I guess I'll clone it and manually get it myself |
| 19:54 |
devmarth |
So the clone URL is https://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest/blob/build-cleanup/ correct? |
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| 19:55 |
devmarth |
Or I might have to do git:github.com:ShadowNinja/minetest/blob/build-cleanup |
| 19:55 |
Calinou |
no, it's a branch |
| 19:55 |
devmarth |
I'm confused O.o |
| 19:55 |
Calinou |
git clone https://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest; cd minetest; git checkout build-cleanup |
| 19:55 |
ShadowNinja |
devmarth: You use the regular clone URL, you just check out a different branch than master. |
| 19:56 |
Calinou |
this command clones repository, goes to minetest directory, then checkouts the build-cleanup branch |
| 19:56 |
devmarth |
Okay. Thanks! |
| 19:56 |
Calinou |
ShadowNinja, by the way, branch names should use underscores |
| 19:56 |
Calinou |
(this is Minetest convention) |
| 19:56 |
ShadowNinja |
Calinou: dashes are my convention. |
| 19:56 |
devmarth |
Heh |
| 19:57 |
devmarth |
Hm, it did not seem to get the changes from that command |
| 19:57 |
devmarth |
It obviously got Minetest but it didnt get the build-cleanup branch |
| 19:58 |
Calinou |
did you type that command while in the minetest directory? |
| 19:58 |
devmarth |
Yes |
| 19:58 |
devmarth |
i typed the same thing you did |
| 19:59 |
devmarth |
Oh wait, it did work, but it's the not the same changes as in the pull request he made |
| 19:59 |
devmarth |
I checked github manually and under the build-cleanup branch, the changes in the pull aren't identical |
| 20:00 |
devmarth |
Wait, I'm dumb, he just updated it |
| 20:00 |
devmarth |
That's why |
| 20:02 |
ShadowNinja |
I didn't just update it. |
| 20:03 |
devmarth |
It's different then last night |
| 20:03 |
ShadowNinja |
Oh, then maybe. |
| 20:03 |
devmarth |
wait, no, im wrong |
| 20:04 |
ShadowNinja |
git fetch ShadowNinja build-cleanup && git checkout build-cleanup && git reset --hard FETCH_HEAD |
| 20:04 |
devmarth |
It's not the same changed files from the pull request |
| 20:04 |
devmarth |
Okay, lemme try that. |
| 20:05 |
devmarth |
woukdnt it be git fetch ShadowNinja minetest && git checkout build-cleanup %% git reset --hard FETCH_HEAD |
| 20:05 |
devmarth |
wouldnt* |
| 20:05 |
devmarth |
That doesnt work anyways, jesus |
| 20:05 |
ShadowNinja |
Nope, git fetch takes a remote name and a branch name, not a GitHub user name and a repo name. |
| 20:06 |
ShadowNinja |
If you've got my branch in a seperate folder the remote name will be `origin` instead of `ShadowNinja`. |
| 20:06 |
devmarth |
Okay, so whats the command to get your repository and commits (45 file changes) from that pull request? |
| 20:08 |
ShadowNinja |
devmarth: From a clone of the main minetest repo: git remote add ShadowNinja https://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest.git && git pull ShadowNinja build-cleanup && git checkout build-cleanup |
| 20:09 |
devmarth |
Okay, thanks |
| 20:11 |
devmarth |
fatal: Not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git |
| 20:11 |
devmarth |
I assume I should do "git init"? |
| 20:11 |
ElectronLibre |
Just cd in the directory you cloned (minetest). |
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devmarth |
oh nvm |
| 20:12 |
Inspire049 |
hey! |
| 20:12 |
Inspire049 |
is it just me, i cant get onto inchra.net |
| 20:13 |
Megaf |
Inspire049: is down for me too |
| 20:13 |
Megaf |
[20:13:14] * Connecting to isis.inchra.net:6667... |
| 20:13 |
Megaf |
[20:13:15] * Connection failure: Host not found |
| 20:13 |
ElectronLibre |
You can't connect irc.inchra.net port 6667? I'm on it. |
| 20:13 |
Calinou |
I am on inchranet |
| 20:13 |
ElectronLibre |
Isis is down. |
| 20:13 |
Calinou |
isis.inchra.net is down |
| 20:13 |
Calinou |
connect to irc.inchra.net |
| 20:14 |
Calinou |
this is why you use round-robin addresses :P |
| 20:15 |
Inspire049 |
oh so name change? |
| 20:15 |
Calinou |
isis was shut down, replaced by osiris |
| 20:16 |
ShadowNinja |
Inspire049: Don't use specific server addresses unless you *need* to connect to only that server. |
| 20:32 |
T4im |
hm Sokomine, now after updating toa more recent git commit I know what you meant with those fraction of a second freezes :/ |
| 20:32 |
devmarth |
Okay, so I want to clone ANY git repository, I understand how to do that, but how do I ONLY clone a specific branch? |
| 20:32 |
devmarth |
And no, this repository is not mine, I just want to get this specific branch |
| 20:33 |
T4im |
git clone -b branch repository |
| 20:33 |
T4im |
however, it will still download it all |
| 20:33 |
T4im |
well |
| 20:33 |
T4im |
not all |
| 20:33 |
T4im |
much :) |
| 20:34 |
T4im |
there are ways to make a shallow copy to skip the history, but updating from that is messy |
| 20:34 |
devmarth |
I tried that |
| 20:34 |
devmarth |
git clone -b build-cleanup https://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest |
| 20:35 |
devmarth |
I tried that, but I seem to be getting the master branch |
| 20:35 |
devmarth |
Not the build-cleanup |
| 20:35 |
T4im |
well after you cloned it, you can use checkout to switch to it |
| 20:35 |
devmarth |
git checkout build-cleanup? |
| 20:35 |
T4im |
yup |
| 20:35 |
T4im |
you can't clone an already cloned repository :) |
| 20:35 |
devmarth |
do i have to cd to the clone first |
| 20:35 |
T4im |
yea |
| 20:36 |
T4im |
all git operations from within the git repository |
| 20:36 |
T4im |
otherwise you would have to tell him explicitly what repository you mean |
| 20:37 |
devmarth |
i cd'd to the folder and typed "git fetch build-cleanup" and it says "Could not read from remote repository." |
| 20:37 |
ElectronLibre |
T4im, you can clone a cloned repository, somewhere else from where you cloned it :). |
| 20:37 |
T4im |
ElectronLibre: yes |
| 20:37 |
devmarth |
So why is that happening? |
| 20:38 |
T4im |
devmarth: you just told him to fetch from a remote called that way.. not from a branch |
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T4im |
I don't know how you named your remote of that.. if you did nothing its probably called "origin", origin is by default the one you cloned from |
| 20:39 |
T4im |
alternativly, just do a git fetch --all ;) |
| 20:39 |
T4im |
note that fetching does not updating your working directory |
| 20:39 |
T4im |
update* |
| 20:40 |
T4im |
it will just retrieve the files and update your git "database" if you will |
| 20:40 |
ElectronLibre |
When you clone the remote is origin, so git fetch origin build-cleanup. |
| 20:40 |
devmarth |
Okay lemme start from scratch |
| 20:41 |
T4im |
no need :D |
| 20:41 |
T4im |
you already cloned it… didn't you? |
| 20:41 |
devmarth |
I want to clone http://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest but JUST the build-cleanup branch |
| 20:41 |
T4im |
just do a git clone -b build-cleanup http://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest then |
| 20:41 |
T4im |
but only if you have no directory called minetest already |
| 20:41 |
T4im |
;) |
| 20:41 |
T4im |
but no need to clone over and over again |
| 20:42 |
T4im |
just use the clone you already have |
| 20:43 |
devmarth |
Okay, so it seems I had it right the first time but |
| 20:43 |
devmarth |
I want the changes from a pull request, so I assumed it was under this branch |
| 20:43 |
T4im |
can I see that pr? |
| 20:44 |
devmarth |
I want the 45 changed files from http://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2402/ |
| 20:44 |
T4im |
oh… you don't get just the changed files |
| 20:44 |
T4im |
you get minetest with those changed files |
| 20:44 |
devmarth |
Yes |
| 20:44 |
devmarth |
I want that. |
| 20:44 |
T4im |
alright |
| 20:44 |
devmarth |
I want the minetest source with the changed files |
| 20:45 |
T4im |
always recognize any errors, as they might give a clue where this can go wrong… just go into the directory and do a git checkout build-cleanup |
| 20:45 |
devmarth |
so, git clone http://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest |
| 20:45 |
devmarth |
and then git checkout build-cleanup |
| 20:45 |
devmarth |
? |
| 20:46 |
ElectronLibre |
Don't forget to cd in it. |
| 20:46 |
T4im |
that would work too, or alternativly git clone -b build-cleanup http://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest |
| 20:46 |
devmarth |
Well, that wont work |
| 20:46 |
T4im |
both do the same |
| 20:46 |
devmarth |
I mean, it will |
| 20:46 |
devmarth |
but |
| 20:46 |
devmarth |
The changed files from the pul request arent in that branch |
| 20:46 |
devmarth |
I tried cloning and checking out the branch, and even looking at it from github, it doesnt contain the changed files from the PR |
| 20:46 |
ElectronLibre |
They aren't in master, but if you git checkout they will be placed. |
| 20:47 |
T4im |
it does for me |
| 20:47 |
ElectronLibre |
And when you clone, the default branch is master. |
| 20:47 |
T4im |
^^ unless you specify -b, then a checkout is done afterwards |
| 20:47 |
devmarth |
Goto http://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest/tree/build-cleanup |
| 20:47 |
devmarth |
It doesnt have the changed files |
| 20:47 |
devmarth |
Just look at CMakeLists |
| 20:47 |
devmarth |
It's not the same. |
| 20:47 |
devmarth |
as from the PR |
| 20:47 |
T4im |
"Clean up and tweak build system" |
| 20:48 |
T4im |
that's the changed one |
| 20:48 |
T4im |
so your problem is that you assume the wrong changes :) |
| 20:48 |
ShadowNinja |
devmarth: Um, it does have the changes.. |
| 20:48 |
T4im |
you might have read that pr wrong :D |
| 20:48 |
devmarth |
thats weird |
| 20:49 |
devmarth |
https://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest/blob/build-cleanup/CMakeLists.txt |
| 20:49 |
devmarth |
THat is not the same as in the PR |
| 20:49 |
Jordach |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=172099#p172099 |
| 20:49 |
T4im |
it is de |
| 20:49 |
T4im |
it is devmarth* |
| 20:49 |
T4im |
you seem to not understand the diff |
| 20:49 |
T4im |
the red lines are removed the green ones added |
| 20:50 |
T4im |
all the green ones are in that file |
| 20:50 |
T4im |
and the white ones |
| 20:50 |
T4im |
github not just shows you the file, but the difference of the changes |
| 20:50 |
devmarth |
http://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2402/files |
| 20:50 |
devmarth |
CHeck that, the files are NOT the same, at least for me |
| 20:51 |
devmarth |
Maybe I should clear cache |
| 20:51 |
Jordach |
Krock, in my game, everything from stairs to ingot blocks, are made from smaller or larger voxels |
| 20:51 |
T4im |
do you have in line 10 string(TOLOWER… ? |
| 20:52 |
T4im |
devmarth: https://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest/blob/build-cleanup/CMakeLists.txt#L10 |
| 20:52 |
T4im |
that line is ONLY in the changed file |
| 20:52 |
T4im |
and it fits with https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2402/files#diff-af3b638bc2a3e6c650974192a53c7291R10 |
| 20:52 |
T4im |
that change |
| 20:53 |
devmarth |
in the PR, theres a "+project(minetest)" in the changed fle |
| 20:53 |
T4im |
no |
| 20:53 |
T4im |
it's -project(minetest) and +project(Minetest) |
| 20:53 |
devmarth |
there is no + or - in https://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest/blob/build-cleanup/CMakeLists.txt#L10 |
| 20:54 |
ShadowNinja |
.. |
| 20:54 |
devmarth |
theyre not identical |
| 20:54 |
ShadowNinja |
devmarth: You fail to understand what a diff is. |
| 20:54 |
devmarth |
I'm very confused |
| 20:54 |
ShadowNinja |
devmarth: If you want the patch file it's at https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2402.patch |
| 20:54 |
devmarth |
theres this: project(Minetest) string(TOLOWER ${PROJECT_NAME} PROJECT_NAME_LOWER) |
| 20:54 |
T4im |
yes, that's the changed file |
| 20:54 |
devmarth |
and this: -project(minetest) +project(Minetest) +string(TOLOWER ${PROJECT_NAME} PROJECT_NAME_LOWER) |
| 20:55 |
T4im |
is the diff |
| 20:55 |
devmarth |
Thats the changed? |
| 20:55 |
T4im |
no that's the change |
| 20:55 |
T4im |
not the changed file |
| 20:55 |
devmarth |
I'm a fucking idiot. I was looking at it as if the first was an addition |
| 20:55 |
devmarth |
I see now. |
| 20:55 |
ShadowNinja |
devmarth: The + and - tells you want's been added and removed. |
| 20:55 |
T4im |
"-" tells you a removal of a line, "+" an addition of a line |
| 20:55 |
devmarth |
I'm so dumb. I'm sorry. |
| 20:55 |
T4im |
well now you got it, that's most important :) |
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Warr1024 |
does installing a texture pack cause a client not to download the overridden textures from the servr? |
| 21:36 |
Calinou |
Warr1024, they are always downloaded, so no |
| 21:36 |
Calinou |
(in case you stop using a texture pack) |
| 21:36 |
Warr1024 |
aw |
| 21:36 |
Warr1024 |
ah, I see |
| 21:37 |
Warr1024 |
I thought you had to exit to the menu to switch texture packs, which would send you through the download process again...? |
| 21:37 |
Calinou |
it would |
| 21:37 |
Calinou |
but textures are always downloaded anyway, the server doesn't know you're using a texture pack |
| 21:38 |
Warr1024 |
hm, seems like that would be a nice optimization, so long as either texture packs continue to be unchangeable while connected, or media download mid-game is added |
| 21:38 |
Warr1024 |
I'm thinking because of the whole "cache zip" thing that's become common practice |
| 21:39 |
hmmmm |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2459 |
| 21:39 |
Warr1024 |
but I wanted to keep my base textures 16x16 for fast downloads and accessibility |
| 21:39 |
Warr1024 |
but wanted to offer an upscaled texture pack as an alternative |
| 21:39 |
Warr1024 |
e.g. so filters could be used without looking too crappy |
| 21:40 |
Krock |
hmmmm, are you serious? |
| 21:41 |
hmmmm |
Krock: dead serious |
| 21:43 |
Krock |
I don't see any significant problems due to those commits |
| 21:43 |
VanessaE |
what the...? |
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* VanessaE |
looks at hmmmm |
| 21:44 |
hmmmm |
Krock: you don't, but others do... |
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* Krock |
is looking through all issues |
| 21:44 |
hmmmm |
they introduced a stupendous amount of instability and performance regressions |
| 21:45 |
hmmmm |
and seeing as how nerzhul's attitude on the problems is so shitty, this is the only answer |
| 21:46 |
hmmmm |
gaining an outsider's perspective, I was able to see what the hell he was trying to do and it's so damn obvious by now |
| 21:46 |
hmmmm |
this is absolutely harmful to minetest and it must be fixed |
| 21:46 |
Krock |
somehow I notice a political-like left and right side |
| 21:47 |
hmmmm |
yeah, there are lot of politics at play here. |
| 21:47 |
hmmmm |
i won't deny that. |
| 21:47 |
hmmmm |
the one playing politics is a single person though |
| 21:49 |
hmmmm |
leaving MT was such a huge mistake that i regret. I didn't realize things would turn into such a mess |
| 21:54 |
VanessaE |
glad you're back |
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hmmmm |
no more being pressured into stupidly huge sweeping changes like this |
| 21:55 |
VanessaE |
that PR aside, what's your plan? |
| 21:56 |
hmmmm |
fix what got F'd |
| 21:56 |
VanessaE |
fair enough :) |
| 21:56 |
hmmmm |
add a network translation layer so changes like this can be made without being cemented into the revision history |
| 21:58 |
hmmmm |
now keep in mind I support *a lot* of the ideas behind the changes made, but their implementation was horrible, the attitude behind the developer supposed to maintain it is horrible, the regressions are horrible |
| 21:59 |
hmmmm |
maybe they can be done in a more sane, conservative manner backed by a good implementation made by a developer without hidden intentions |
| 22:01 |
VanessaE |
I'll keep out of the politics-related side of things, but I can say for sure that I've seen the regressions... it's like the 0.4.8->0.4.9 transition when sapier was rewriting parts of the network stack and he had to put all that backward compat code in |
| 22:01 |
VanessaE |
at times it just...heh...didn't work, to put it mildly :) |
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VanessaE |
I've described same to nrz but I wasn't aware of any plans to properly correct the problems |
| 22:03 |
hmmmm |
sapier's changes weren't purposely made difficult to remove since everything used roughly the same interfaces and maintenance was taken seriously |
| 22:03 |
hmmmm |
nerzhul explicitly stated that he refuses to fix outright bugs because "they'll be fixed with the next network rewrite" |
| 22:03 |
hmmmm |
that's a huuuge red flag right there |
| 22:05 |
VanessaE |
yeah, that's a no-go, as I've said before I plan to keep my servers on the 0.4.x compatibility train for a good long while, but the plan apparently with the network stuff has been to push for 0.5.x-break-everything soonish |
| 22:05 |
hmmmm |
i don't like that plan to break compatibility. |
| 22:05 |
VanessaE |
(I don't fathom losing all my users) |
| 22:06 |
hmmmm |
for one it's not necessary, two, there's the forceful attitude behind it |
| 22:06 |
VanessaE |
all the work toward that end is supposed to be on a separate branch now, btw |
| 22:06 |
hmmmm |
yes |
| 22:06 |
hmmmm |
i saw that |
| 22:06 |
hmmmm |
that's only after celeron stepped in and told him |
| 22:06 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 22:06 |
hmmmm |
I don't get what the fuck is his problem |
| 22:07 |
hmmmm |
this is an open source project and we are very grateful to anybody who contributes, but we are not grateful to petty little dictators stepping in |
| 22:07 |
VanessaE |
I think it's a matter of him being some sort of network professional but not having a good handle on the "legacy" needs of this project, maybe? |
| 22:07 |
hmmmm |
no, we DON'T need to commit a huge, sweeping network breakage because you insist progress must be made |
| 22:08 |
hmmmm |
VanessaE: I'm a network professional too |
| 22:08 |
hmmmm |
I'm not too big on labels |
| 22:08 |
VanessaE |
oh, I didn't know that actually |
| 22:09 |
VanessaE |
however, the difference is you already know minetest's history |
| 22:09 |
VanessaE |
I'm just saying I don't think the guy had bad intentions - just not well-directed. |
| 22:10 |
hmmmm |
here are my reasons why I believe that not to be the case: |
| 22:10 |
hmmmm |
- he introduced extremely silly errors and suspect design choices |
| 22:10 |
hmmmm |
- he insisted his work gets split up and some committed immediately with the said problems |
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hmmmm |
when the more controversial commits were "blocked" in a sense, he made them urgent by making the decision that no fixes will be added in the master branch, only the branch containing the more controversial commits |
| 22:11 |
hmmmm |
the vast majority of his actual changes are superficial at best |
| 22:12 |
hmmmm |
look at the commit logs - a minor bug fix here, minor bug fix there, file renames/reorganizations, changing instances of std::list to std::vector, etc. |
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VanessaE |
yeah, saw that |
| 22:12 |
hmmmm |
things that make a lot of visible change |
| 22:13 |
hmmmm |
if you look on ohlol.com or whatever that open source tracker thing is, they rank based off of number of inserts/deletions and commits |
| 22:13 |
hmmmm |
he ranks highly in that no doubt because of what I mentioned |
| 22:13 |
VanessaE |
I dunno. zeno and I tested some of the code and it worked -- at first -- and then the problems started showing up once we got enough people connecting and being willing to actually complaion |
| 22:13 |
Calinou |
it's called Open Hub now :P |
| 22:13 |
VanessaE |
(you know the old rule, 1 person complains for every 10-100 that have the problem) |
| 22:13 |
Calinou |
because everyone called it ohlol instead of ohloh |
| 22:14 |
hmmmm |
oh, lol. |
| 22:15 |
hmmmm |
there was just so much of a push toward making huge sweeping changes because he wanted to make the project his own rather quickly |
| 22:15 |
hmmmm |
as one other developer put it (in private to me): "the entire landscape just keeps changing from day to day" |
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ShadowNinja |
I don't support breaking the protocol at this point. There has to be some real benefit in doing so, and "it's cleaner" doesn't count. |
| 22:52 |
ShadowNinja |
But if there is one breaking change that can't be done compatibly and has a real benefit then we might as well break everything and do it right while we're at it. |
| 22:53 |
ShadowNinja |
We just have to make sure that the new way is really better and we're not going to want to change it later. |
| 22:53 |
paramat |
hmmmm, you have my support for 2459, i trust you |
| 22:54 |
ShadowNinja |
I like a lot of the recent network changes. Of course there were bugs, but I didn't notice an obcene number of them, or a lot of complaints about bugs. |
| 22:55 |
ShadowNinja |
Right now I don't know of any real problems with the new network things. |
| 22:55 |
hmmmm |
the same changes can be made in a lower-impact manner |
| 22:56 |
hmmmm |
performance regressions, instability, outright bugs, etc. |
| 22:56 |
hmmmm |
look at this one for example https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2439 |
| 22:57 |
hmmmm |
to be frank, I would support the changes a lot more if they didn't have an agenda behind them |
| 22:58 |
hmmmm |
.. it's about time we take back control of minetest |
| 23:00 |
ShadowNinja |
I haven't noticed any performance regressions. Bugs definitely can't be brushed off like that though. |
| 23:02 |
hmmmm |
people who run servers did |
| 23:02 |
hmmmm |
those i've talked to counted at least 6 complaints |
| 23:02 |
VanessaE |
I wonder though - aside from me and perhaps zeno, who else? |
| 23:02 |
hmmmm |
he never told me who else |
| 23:02 |
hmmmm |
gregorycu is another one |
| 23:02 |
VanessaE |
hm, ok |
| 23:04 |
hmmmm |
if I don't get this PR merged, at the bare minimum I would at least like nerzuel to fix his damn bugs and to stop "moving fast and breaking things" because of his flawed interpretation of Agile he's forcing onto the project |
| 23:06 |
ShadowNinja |
I don't agree with reverting everything, but I agree that he should fix bugs and avoid breaking changes. |
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hmmmm |
it's bad enough the changes were in right before 0.4.12 |
| 23:12 |
hmmmm |
celeron55 said: "this is going to be the most stable release of minetest ever" |
| 23:12 |
hmmmm |
:( |
| 23:12 |
VanessaE |
I have asked at least a couple of times for bugfixes in this realm and for a 0.4.13 release to be made. my request was...denied. |
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hmmmm |
ShadowNinja: the problem is that the changes are really too big for any of *us* to solve |
| 23:13 |
hmmmm |
this is basically a nerzhel-only job, and he seems dedicated to letting it go |
| 23:13 |
hmmmm |
all to apply more force on the giant protocol breakage |
| 23:14 |
iio7 |
I was trying to compile Minetest on Alpine Linux which runs with a PAX kernel. LuaJIT doesn't not work on that, I get "PANIC: unprotected error in call to Lua API (runtime code generation failed, restricted kernel?)".. If I compile with plain Lua will there be any performance loss? |
| 23:14 |
hmmmm |
iio7: yes, of course. plain lua is on average twice as slow, but how much it actually affects you is dependent upon how heavy the mods are you're using |
| 23:15 |
hmmmm |
on vanilla minetest you probably won't notice a difference |
| 23:15 |
iio7 |
hmmmm, we have a lot of mods :) |
| 23:15 |
hmmmm |
it also depends on the contents of those mods... mods that do lots of math and computations IN LUA are going to have a greater slowdown, obviously |
| 23:16 |
iio7 |
The problem with LuaJIT on a PAX kernel, is that related only to Lua or has it got something to do with "unsafe" API calls from the Minetest code? |
| 23:16 |
hmmmm |
PAX I assume offers protection against self-modifying code? |
| 23:16 |
ShadowNinja |
iio7: Try my Lua5.2 branch maybe, I've heard it's faster than 5.1 (although it may or may not actually be so). |
| 23:17 |
iio7 |
hmmmm, I believe so. |
| 23:17 |
hmmmm |
iio7: Yeah, that's clearly a problem for anything that does JIT compiling |
| 23:17 |
hmmmm |
are you able to disable NX for a specific process? |
| 23:18 |
iio7 |
hmmmm, I don't know. |
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hmmmm |
hmmm, you should be able to. |
| 23:20 |
hmmmm |
have no idea how to do this though, seems scary and complicated |
| 23:20 |
* hmmmm |
runs away |
| 23:22 |
iio7 |
hmmmm, yes indeed! |
| 23:22 |
iio7 |
So either plain Lua or LuaJIT on another OS which is "less" protected. Perhaps a FreeBSD jail then. |
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* Sokomine |
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