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marioxcc |
hello, how can I disallow all but only a given list of users in a minetest server? |
| 00:01 |
AgentFire |
You mean make a whitelisted server? |
| 00:01 |
VanessaE |
modify the "no guests" mod |
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| 00:01 |
VanessaE |
and hope that no one knows the list of allowed names :) |
| 00:02 |
marioxcc |
AgentFire: I don't know how it is called. |
| 00:02 |
VanessaE |
you can simply not grant interact by default, too |
| 00:02 |
AgentFire |
It is called a whitelisted server, and just listen to Vanessa. She knows what she's talking about. |
| 00:02 |
VanessaE |
that's what I do |
| 00:03 |
VanessaE |
between that and modifying the no-guests mod to only allow certain names to complete a connection, you'll get the effect you want |
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Megaf |
what was the last thing I wrote you read? |
| 00:05 |
Megaf |
ok, just checked on the log, you have read everything :) |
| 00:05 |
* Megaf |
missunderstood marioxcc |
| 00:05 |
Megaf |
or not |
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Megaf |
[23:52:52] <marioxcc> /join #debian |
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Megaf |
well, good night all |
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ShadowNinja |
marioxcc, VanessaE: Use my whitelist mod, its designed for that. |
| 00:12 |
marioxcc |
ShadowNinja: ok, thanks. |
| 00:12 |
ShadowNinja |
marioxcc: Provided you want specific names. If you want regex matches you'll need your own mod. |
| 00:12 |
marioxcc |
ShadowNinja: this one? https://github.com/ShadowNinja/whitelist/blob/master/init.lua |
| 00:13 |
ShadowNinja |
marioxcc: Yes. |
| 00:13 |
marioxcc |
ok |
| 00:13 |
marioxcc |
thanks you. |
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VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: ah, I'd forgotten about that one |
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freelikegnu |
Megaf: attempt to concatenate local 'modpath' (a nil value) |
| 00:16 |
freelikegnu |
line 22 of init.lua |
| 00:19 |
freelikegnu |
has to do with oflder name having an underscroe |
| 00:19 |
freelikegnu |
underscore |
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freelikegnu |
since mod is getting its name from folder name and I guess you cant have - or _ in a modname |
| 00:20 |
freelikegnu |
rename the folder from more_blocks to moreblock |
| 00:20 |
freelikegnu |
*moreblocks |
| 00:20 |
hisforever |
Hi I installed the Car mode and its active , I can't find anything in my inventory for a car? |
| 00:21 |
freelikegnu |
you may have to craft the car |
| 00:21 |
freelikegnu |
before you can click the cow |
| 00:22 |
hisforever |
I'm using dream builders lol funney |
| 00:23 |
hisforever |
I would craft it if I could find parts lol |
| 00:23 |
freelikegnu |
my wife was play GW2 and looked over at me playing minetest (happily digging a mine with my daughter) and remarked "Having fun clicking the cow?" |
| 00:24 |
freelikegnu |
soemday she might understand |
| 00:24 |
freelikegnu |
GW2 is the big cow clicking fest of all |
| 00:24 |
VanessaE |
hisforever: no idea, I've never used that mod |
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hisforever |
ty Vanessa your a jewl my friend :) |
| 00:25 |
VanessaE |
:) |
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hisforever |
Vanessa I like the way you document your mods everything is explained so good :) |
| 00:28 |
VanessaE |
I try :) |
| 00:28 |
freelikegnu |
hisforever: looks like you have to make a concrete slab boat |
| 00:29 |
freelikegnu |
to get a car with this mod |
| 00:29 |
hisforever |
for what freelikegnu? |
| 00:30 |
hisforever |
ok uinderstand |
| 00:30 |
freelikegnu |
you were trying to get the car in a car mod yes? |
| 00:30 |
hisforever |
yes I am |
| 00:30 |
freelikegnu |
do you know how to craft a concrete slab? |
| 00:30 |
freelikegnu |
(I dont) |
| 00:30 |
hisforever |
yes |
| 00:31 |
freelikegnu |
then craft a boat from the slabs |
| 00:31 |
freelikegnu |
and you will get a car |
| 00:31 |
hisforever |
ok ty |
| 00:31 |
freelikegnu |
don't ask me why tho |
| 00:31 |
VanessaE |
seems like a ...strange recipe. |
| 00:31 |
freelikegnu |
just looking at the recipe in init.lua |
| 00:32 |
hisforever |
I'[ll do that tomorrow right now I'min the demollishing mood lol |
| 00:32 |
freelikegnu |
I think he just used that recipe because it was already handy |
| 00:32 |
freelikegnu |
concrete slab boat... wow |
| 00:33 |
freelikegnu |
minetest.register_craftitem("car:car", { description = "Concrete Barge", inventory_image = "prefab_barge_inventory.png", |
| 00:33 |
freelikegnu |
now thats hasty modding |
| 00:33 |
freelikegnu |
or he's making a buick roadmaster |
| 00:33 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 00:36 |
freelikegnu |
http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2008/08/18/17/13/1996_buick_roadmaster-pic-25285.jpeg now thats a beast |
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freelikegnu |
you too can be just like Joe Don Baker: http://www.imcdb.org/i278101.jpg MITTENS! |
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Fritigern |
I donlt quite understand this line. What is being done here? The game thinks that it is defining 4 globals. If so, would defining htem as locals work as well? btype, rotation, bsizex, bsizez = choose_building_rot(l, pr, orient1) |
| 00:48 |
Fritigern |
(of course assuming that those 4 vars are not used outside the function) |
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zBuilder_ |
hmm |
| 00:59 |
Fritigern |
Hm? |
| 01:00 |
zBuilder_ |
I play a bit, but I don't know which server to join or what to do on one |
| 01:04 |
Fritigern |
Well, i have noticed you on my server a little while ago, but i am currently debugging a mod, so my server is not a good place at the moment (but it will be later ;-))) |
| 01:05 |
Fritigern |
My server is Pacata, no mods, no PvP, just build, farm, mine and be happy |
| 01:05 |
zBuilder_ |
oh yeah :) |
| 01:05 |
Inocudom |
ShadowNinja: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=162411#p162411 |
| 01:06 |
Inocudom |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=162367#p162367-Suggestion for the item_tweaks mod. |
| 01:10 |
Fritigern |
LOL! This is hilarious! My server is usually pretty quiet, but now that i am restarting it every 5 mnutes (or less), suddenly people decide to log in. |
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richard22 |
hello |
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| 01:13 |
Fritigern |
Hi there |
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| 01:15 |
richard22 |
how do i find my player cordinates when my player file is deleted because of an error and will that help get my bags back or how do i recover that stuff |
| 01:21 |
Fritigern |
richard22: I don;t really understand the question. But if you want to know where you are, then log in and press F5 once, The coordinates wil be displayed at the top of the screen. |
| 01:21 |
richard22 |
there was an error on the server i am on so they had to delete my character to fix it, when they did i lost all my stuff since i did not realize i had to move it to chests before they deleted it |
| 01:21 |
richard22 |
oldcoder told me to come here and ask for help |
| 01:22 |
richard22 |
said u guys could help me get my stuff back with my player file |
| 01:22 |
richard22 |
? |
| 01:22 |
richard22 |
i was asking him about getting the stuff that was in my bags back |
| 01:23 |
richard22 |
he gave me most the stuff in my invintory but told me to come here and ask about the stuff in the bags |
| 01:23 |
Fritigern |
I'm sure that if they tried, they could have saved the contents of your player file. Perhaps they even have it in a backup somewhere. If the server owner can open your old player file, he/she can then copy the contents of that file over to your new one |
| 01:23 |
richard22 |
to ask about where player cords are stored and editing the playerss ifle it ihnk |
| 01:23 |
richard22 |
includeing what was in the bags? |
| 01:24 |
Fritigern |
Let me do a quick check, but i do think so |
| 01:24 |
richard22 |
becaues he told me if i dident want to looes it to come here and ask |
| 01:25 |
Fritigern |
Yup, the player file does contain the bags and their contents. |
| 01:26 |
richard22 |
so nothing i need to do but wait for him to have time to restore it all then |
| 01:26 |
richard22 |
cant do anyting from my end |
| 01:26 |
richard22 |
no copy on my system that cna be used to put it back |
| 01:26 |
Fritigern |
All they need to do is open your old player file in a text editor, and copy all the text to your new file |
| 01:26 |
Fritigern |
No. I'm afraid that it is all on their end |
| 01:27 |
richard22 |
anyone on here can do that for landrush (oldcoder) |
| 01:27 |
richard22 |
other then him? |
| 01:27 |
richard22 |
that can do that for me |
| 01:27 |
Fritigern |
I can not help you with that, sorry |
| 01:28 |
richard22 |
k |
| 01:28 |
Fritigern |
My own server just went up in the popularity polls, just as i was fixing a mod that was throwing tantrums ;-) |
| 01:28 |
Fritigern |
Of course, i can not just kick them off, that would be rude |
| 01:29 |
richard22 |
ya the servers seem to always need fixing |
| 01:31 |
Fritigern |
In my case, the "issue" is that i am using the development version of Minetest, and so i run into some problems that other people will not, because i report them so they can be fixed |
| 01:34 |
richard22 |
cool |
| 01:36 |
VanessaE |
popularity poll? |
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Fritigern |
VanessaE: Just a manner of speaking. then again, the server list may serve as one. The more people on your server, the more popular it it, and the higer in the list it appears |
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VanessaE |
oh ok |
| 01:57 |
VanessaE |
yeah, which most of us actually hate |
| 01:57 |
VanessaE |
because it just means the server has a lot of users, not that it's necessarily "popular", let alone whether it's any good |
| 01:58 |
OldCoder |
Here is the odd part |
| 01:59 |
OldCoder |
I stopped the world, edited his coords, restarted |
| 01:59 |
* VanessaE |
looks at the latest stuff having to do with systemd and shudders, coldly. |
| 01:59 |
OldCoder |
He said didn't move |
| 01:59 |
OldCoder |
Or didn't fix problem; and two people have now complained of this |
| 01:59 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: what problem is that? |
| 02:00 |
VanessaE |
context FAIL :) |
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| 02:01 |
btoothpick |
Greets |
| 02:01 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 02:02 |
btoothpick |
The server is working well VanessaE |
| 02:03 |
VanessaE |
good deal |
| 02:03 |
btoothpick |
The children are impressed with all the features (well many of them) because minetest isn't for everyone. |
| 02:03 |
btoothpick |
I had a student get on there tonight and make the doors to the school the owner type so they won't open. |
| 02:04 |
btoothpick |
I thought maybe the main account could destroy them with a pick axe...no luck. |
| 02:05 |
Fritigern |
btoothpick: If by main account you mean admin account, then try giving that account all privs by typing /grant <admin_account> all |
| 02:06 |
Fritigern |
Only do this on that account only, you don;t want anybody to have all privileges |
| 02:07 |
Fritigern |
*just anybody |
| 02:08 |
MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Mgv5 get ground level at point function. Fast spawn player version d39887d http://git.io/A_KjOg (2014-11-20T21:07:20-05:00) |
| 02:08 |
btoothpick |
Fritigern, I typed that, but I still can't destroy the door that reads Owned by... |
| 02:08 |
VanessaE |
btoothpick: ^^^ and make sure your admin password is absolutely secure. |
| 02:08 |
VanessaE |
also, use worldedit to remove the doors |
| 02:08 |
twoelk |
not to forget the mighty admin pick from some admin tool mod |
| 02:09 |
btoothpick |
ok VanessaE |
| 02:09 |
Fritigern |
Did you replace <admin_account> with the actual admin account's name? |
| 02:09 |
btoothpick |
Fritigern, yes. |
| 02:09 |
Fritigern |
Just making sure ;-) |
| 02:09 |
btoothpick |
It's VanessaE's Dreambuilder |
| 02:10 |
btoothpick |
I don't think the person even made the doors locked intentionally. I do like that feature though for people that are building their own houses |
| 02:15 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, the problem Richard22 was talking about |
| 02:15 |
OldCoder |
I stopped the server in each case, edited the player file, and they claimed they were still trapped somewhere |
| 02:15 |
OldCoder |
Darkness |
| 02:16 |
VanessaE |
oh |
| 02:16 |
OldCoder |
When I deleted the player file, they were free |
| 02:16 |
OldCoder |
But had lost their stuff |
| 02:16 |
OldCoder |
Two players on different worlds now |
| 02:16 |
OldCoder |
Suggestions? |
| 02:16 |
VanessaE |
I have none |
| 02:16 |
OldCoder |
In theory, stopping a world and editing the players file |
| 02:16 |
OldCoder |
Just the one line with coords in (...) |
| 02:16 |
OldCoder |
Should move the player, correct? |
| 02:17 |
VanessaE |
unless he was signing in with a different spelling of his name |
| 02:17 |
VanessaE |
or different case |
| 02:17 |
OldCoder |
Nope |
| 02:17 |
VanessaE |
Ritchard22 versus richard22 |
| 02:17 |
* OldCoder |
uses name_restrictions to prevent that |
| 02:17 |
VanessaE |
-t |
| 02:17 |
OldCoder |
It is no longer possible |
| 02:17 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 02:17 |
OldCoder |
Anyway see question |
| 02:17 |
OldCoder |
Is what I have said correct? That is where coords are stored? |
| 02:17 |
VanessaE |
but yeah, changing those coords will move the player, as long as you're sure the server was shut down before you opened the file., |
| 02:17 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 02:18 |
VanessaE |
they're in tenths, btw |
| 02:18 |
OldCoder |
Both claimed they were still stuck and in darkness. Interesting issue. |
| 02:18 |
OldCoder |
Tenths? |
| 02:18 |
OldCoder |
Explain |
| 02:18 |
VanessaE |
1000,1000,1000 = 100,100,100 in the world. |
| 02:18 |
OldCoder |
All right, that may be the explanation |
| 02:18 |
VanessaE |
divide their values by 10 to get real world coords |
| 02:18 |
Fritigern |
OldCoder: Try logging in when the user is online, and teleport him/her to you. |
| 02:18 |
VanessaE |
this may be why it didn't help |
| 02:18 |
OldCoder |
I will keep this in mind |
| 02:18 |
OldCoder |
Fritigern yes; but wish to track down the issue |
| 02:18 |
OldCoder |
Thank you |
| 02:19 |
OldCoder |
BTW I had fun this week with Landrush |
| 02:19 |
* OldCoder |
mentions one more issue |
| 02:19 |
VanessaE |
the reason being, they're multiplied/divided by "BS" in the engine |
| 02:19 |
OldCoder |
BS ? |
| 02:19 |
OldCoder |
What is BS ? And one more related issue |
| 02:19 |
Fritigern |
Big Saxophone! |
| 02:19 |
OldCoder |
Thank you |
| 02:19 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: yeah, you know - that internal engine variable that lots of position and vertex values are multiplied by. |
| 02:19 |
OldCoder |
Got it |
| 02:19 |
OldCoder |
Landrush started reported 100,000s of error messages |
| 02:20 |
OldCoder |
about statically stored objects more than 49 |
| 02:20 |
VanessaE |
Fritigern: Block Size probably :P |
| 02:20 |
OldCoder |
For about 30 coords |
| 02:20 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: does landrush use any of my entity-heavy mods? |
| 02:20 |
OldCoder |
Literally 100,000s of messages as the other issue |
| 02:20 |
VanessaE |
eg. pipeworks, signs, etc |
| 02:20 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 02:20 |
VanessaE |
(please sa..... damn) |
| 02:20 |
VanessaE |
which ones? |
| 02:20 |
OldCoder |
pipeworks, technic and mesecon related stuff, the works |
| 02:20 |
OldCoder |
I have told them |
| 02:20 |
OldCoder |
to delete some of it |
| 02:20 |
OldCoder |
Here is why |
| 02:21 |
OldCoder |
1st what does PP(pos) print |
| 02:21 |
OldCoder |
game coords or SQL coords? |
| 02:21 |
OldCoder |
This is a good story BTW |
| 02:21 |
VanessaE |
PP(pos)? idk. maybe mapblocks. |
| 02:21 |
VanessaE |
you can increase the default number of entities per mapblock, btw. |
| 02:21 |
OldCoder |
idk ? |
| 02:21 |
OldCoder |
Yes but this was corruption |
| 02:21 |
OldCoder |
So we don't know |
| 02:22 |
OldCoder |
Well there were 100,000s of error messages for dozens of coords |
| 02:22 |
VanessaE |
idk = I don't know |
| 02:22 |
OldCoder |
I know |
| 02:22 |
OldCoder |
So we don't know what PP is |
| 02:22 |
VanessaE |
max_objects_per_block = 500 |
| 02:22 |
VanessaE |
...is a good number to use on a server with pipeworks installed. |
| 02:22 |
OldCoder |
I grepped; not much help |
| 02:22 |
OldCoder |
Ah! |
| 02:22 |
OldCoder |
Does that slow things down much? |
| 02:22 |
VanessaE |
no |
| 02:22 |
VanessaE |
it's a safe value |
| 02:22 |
OldCoder |
Any negatives? |
| 02:22 |
VanessaE |
it won't stop those hundreds-of-thousands messages, but once those are resolved, it'll stop the over-49 part from happening in most cases. |
| 02:23 |
btoothpick |
VanessaE, Your Dopium Estate screenshot looks great. |
| 02:23 |
OldCoder |
Well what happened was this |
| 02:23 |
VanessaE |
no negative effects from using a value of 500, no. the only problem is those hundreds-of-thousands messages, but like you said that was due to corrupt blocks. |
| 02:23 |
VanessaE |
(or so you figure) |
| 02:23 |
OldCoder |
We went to the coords and found nothing |
| 02:23 |
VanessaE |
YES |
| 02:23 |
VanessaE |
I had that happen to me too |
| 02:23 |
OldCoder |
Go on |
| 02:23 |
VanessaE |
I'm dead certain it isn't pipeworks |
| 02:24 |
VanessaE |
it's the engine duplicating entities just out of nowhere |
| 02:24 |
OldCoder |
yes; ideas? Or wrong coords? |
| 02:24 |
OldCoder |
PP(pos) does those messages |
| 02:24 |
OldCoder |
Not sure of the scale |
| 02:24 |
VanessaE |
it's happened even on one of my servers where there's NOTHING pipeworks' related in that area, |
| 02:24 |
OldCoder |
So what is happening? |
| 02:24 |
VanessaE |
and I seem to remember it happening on a server of mine that doesn't even have that mod installed |
| 02:24 |
OldCoder |
And what is the fix? |
| 02:25 |
VanessaE |
I don't know yet, except that the engine is failing to delete these "ghost" entities when they DO show up, and it's duplicating them out of control |
| 02:25 |
VanessaE |
even a /clearobjects isn't enough |
| 02:25 |
VanessaE |
is it a corrupt mapblock? idk |
| 02:25 |
VanessaE |
is it a mod doing it? idk |
| 02:25 |
OldCoder |
Yep |
| 02:25 |
VanessaE |
I'm at a total loss and no one wants to look into it |
| 02:25 |
OldCoder |
So I did this |
| 02:25 |
OldCoder |
So I did this... |
| 02:25 |
VanessaE |
go on |
| 02:25 |
OldCoder |
I copied 8GB of world and dropped from SQL the blocks that I thought had the bad coords |
| 02:25 |
OldCoder |
Pretty sharp, eh? |
| 02:25 |
OldCoder |
But NO DIFFERENCE |
| 02:25 |
VanessaE |
indeed. |
| 02:26 |
OldCoder |
and took 7 hours! |
| 02:26 |
OldCoder |
So I guessed the coords were X16 |
| 02:26 |
twoelk |
sounds like fun |
| 02:26 |
OldCoder |
You understand |
| 02:26 |
OldCoder |
And dropped them again! |
| 02:26 |
VanessaE |
*nod* |
| 02:26 |
OldCoder |
But they weren't X16 because I only found 1/4 of the bad coords in the SQL |
| 02:26 |
OldCoder |
So nobody here knows what PP prints? |
| 02:26 |
VanessaE |
first, |
| 02:26 |
VanessaE |
can you give me a reference to this PP() function? |
| 02:27 |
OldCoder |
Yes, in the near future |
| 02:27 |
OldCoder |
Possibly in one hour |
| 02:27 |
VanessaE |
I mean, I don't know where you're getting it from |
| 02:27 |
OldCoder |
It is the core code that prints those 100,000s messages |
| 02:27 |
OldCoder |
Can't grep now because I am busy teaching PHP |
| 02:27 |
VanessaE |
show me one of the messages |
| 02:27 |
OldCoder |
Moment |
| 02:27 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 02:27 |
OldCoder |
How about 100000? |
| 02:27 |
OldCoder |
brb |
| 02:27 |
VanessaE |
just one is enough ;) |
| 02:28 |
VanessaE |
if I'm thinking of the right message, it's a mapblock coordinate. |
| 02:28 |
OldCoder |
Coming |
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| 02:28 |
VanessaE |
00:16:50: ERROR[ServerThread]: suspiciously large amount of objects detected: 50 |
| 02:28 |
VanessaE |
1 in (34,-2,72); removing all of them. |
| 02:28 |
VanessaE |
like this? |
| 02:29 |
OldCoder |
No; wit |
| 02:29 |
OldCoder |
wait |
| 02:29 |
OldCoder |
debug-silvercrab.log.001:23:45:35: ERROR[ServerThread]: ServerEnv: Trying to store id=14509 statically but block (-51,1,-6) already contains 49 objects. Forcing delete. |
| 02:29 |
OldCoder |
That one |
| 02:29 |
VanessaE |
ok, same difference. |
| 02:29 |
VanessaE |
that's a mapblock coordinate. |
| 02:29 |
VanessaE |
multiply by 16. |
| 02:29 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 02:29 |
OldCoder |
BUT |
| 02:29 |
OldCoder |
Here is the best part |
| 02:30 |
OldCoder |
On the 2nd pass I tried to drop SQL blocks with pos based on those numbers |
| 02:30 |
OldCoder |
So, mapblocks |
| 02:30 |
OldCoder |
Not node coords |
| 02:30 |
VanessaE |
you sure you computed the block addresses right? |
| 02:30 |
OldCoder |
And I only found 1/4 of the problem blocks in the file |
| 02:30 |
OldCoder |
Yes; I have filtered worlds with this. Silvercrab was made this way. |
| 02:30 |
OldCoder |
About 30GB of data has gone through the filter |
| 02:31 |
OldCoder |
Silvercrab was the result |
| 02:31 |
VanessaE |
speaking of Silvercrab, current Minetest engine now has the save-to-disk feature built-in :) |
| 02:31 |
OldCoder |
!! |
| 02:31 |
OldCoder |
How is it used? |
| 02:31 |
VanessaE |
so it's possible to capture the rest of Redcrab |
| 02:31 |
OldCoder |
How is it used? |
| 02:31 |
VanessaE |
I don't know offhand, but I think it's the same code you've been using up to this point |
| 02:31 |
OldCoder |
Well, how is it turned on, I mean |
| 02:31 |
VanessaE |
just turn it on with a config variable |
| 02:32 |
OldCoder |
Know the variable? |
| 02:32 |
VanessaE |
lemme check |
| 02:32 |
VanessaE |
# Save the map received by the client on disk |
| 02:32 |
VanessaE |
#enable_local_map_saving = false |
| 02:32 |
OldCoder |
Great! |
| 02:33 |
VanessaE |
looks like it's saved to your regular worlds folder, as server_<ip address here> |
| 02:33 |
OldCoder |
Back to the weird issue |
| 02:33 |
OldCoder |
Yep |
| 02:33 |
OldCoder |
What happens when you revisit? |
| 02:33 |
OldCoder |
Overwrites blocks? |
| 02:33 |
VanessaE |
I presume so |
| 02:33 |
VanessaE |
I have not used it yet |
| 02:33 |
OldCoder |
Good resource |
| 02:33 |
OldCoder |
Now, what could cause those statically error messages for mapblocks that are not present? |
| 02:33 |
OldCoder |
That was spooky |
| 02:34 |
OldCoder |
Yes pretty sure computing pos correctly |
| 02:34 |
OldCoder |
I did badpos = function(those coords) |
| 02:34 |
Fritigern |
Almost done fixing the mg mod. That was a lot of work. |
| 02:34 |
VanessaE |
they're ghosts :) |
| 02:34 |
VanessaE |
Fritigern: pull-request your fixes against mg upstream |
| 02:34 |
OldCoder |
Then in SQL copy did: print if pos ! in bad pos list. Follow? |
| 02:34 |
VanessaE |
I'm sure sfan and co. will appreciate it :) |
| 02:35 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: yep |
| 02:35 |
OldCoder |
So not clear WTH is happening |
| 02:35 |
OldCoder |
In the end |
| 02:35 |
OldCoder |
after two full copies of 8GB data! |
| 02:35 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: I think it's related to the problem I was seeing on my servers |
| 02:35 |
VanessaE |
I am completely lost as to what the fuck is going on |
| 02:35 |
OldCoder |
I reverted a few days, did a clear objects, and an SQL vacuum |
| 02:35 |
OldCoder |
That fixed it |
| 02:35 |
OldCoder |
I did all three |
| 02:35 |
VanessaE |
wait, which part did? |
| 02:35 |
OldCoder |
All three |
| 02:35 |
VanessaE |
revert, vacuum, or clearobjects? |
| 02:35 |
OldCoder |
All three |
| 02:35 |
VanessaE |
nonono |
| 02:36 |
OldCoder |
I ran out of time |
| 02:36 |
VanessaE |
damn. |
| 02:36 |
OldCoder |
After 16 hours |
| 02:36 |
OldCoder |
After 16 hours |
| 02:36 |
OldCoder |
That was too long; out of time |
| 02:36 |
VanessaE |
I know. |
| 02:36 |
OldCoder |
So gave up and ran all three |
| 02:36 |
OldCoder |
That seems to have done it |
| 02:36 |
OldCoder |
My theory is |
| 02:36 |
VanessaE |
probably reverting did. |
| 02:36 |
OldCoder |
corruption due to a crash |
| 02:36 |
OldCoder |
follow? |
| 02:36 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 02:36 |
OldCoder |
Heavy entity stuff |
| 02:36 |
OldCoder |
Crash |
| 02:36 |
VanessaE |
but that begs the question: |
| 02:36 |
OldCoder |
Bad combo! |
| 02:36 |
VanessaE |
why didn't the engine detect the corrupt block and throw an error? |
| 02:36 |
OldCoder |
It did, though? |
| 02:36 |
VanessaE |
no |
| 02:37 |
OldCoder |
The forcing delete thing? |
| 02:37 |
VanessaE |
it would have detected the error on *load* |
| 02:37 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 02:37 |
VanessaE |
and crashed the server outright |
| 02:37 |
OldCoder |
Well, I ended up with 30 blocks repeatedly saying force delete |
| 02:37 |
OldCoder |
But the delete never happened |
| 02:37 |
OldCoder |
What does that mean? |
| 02:37 |
VanessaE |
that tells me that this is higher-level corruption |
| 02:37 |
OldCoder |
I agree |
| 02:37 |
VanessaE |
i.e. at a layer above the SQL database |
| 02:37 |
OldCoder |
this would produce the ghosts |
| 02:37 |
OldCoder |
Hm |
| 02:37 |
OldCoder |
Explain |
| 02:38 |
VanessaE |
the data was corrupt before it was written into the database. |
| 02:38 |
VanessaE |
so the database *itself* is valid |
| 02:38 |
OldCoder |
But it was spread over 1000s of map coords |
| 02:38 |
VanessaE |
but the data within is partly gibberish |
| 02:38 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 02:38 |
OldCoder |
But why weren't the blocks deleted? |
| 02:38 |
OldCoder |
Or am I missing the point? |
| 02:38 |
VanessaE |
my guess is that the engine couldn't detect that the block was actually corrupt because SQL says the record is clean. |
| 02:39 |
OldCoder |
I agree |
| 02:39 |
VanessaE |
the engine wrote gibberish into the block record, SQL saved it. |
| 02:39 |
OldCoder |
But the blocks didn't even exist |
| 02:39 |
OldCoder |
Follow? |
| 02:39 |
VanessaE |
SQL reads it back, says "all is well" and passes it to the engine |
| 02:39 |
VanessaE |
yep I know |
| 02:39 |
OldCoder |
All makes sense |
| 02:39 |
VanessaE |
that's confusing |
| 02:39 |
|
BionicToothpick left #minetest |
| 02:39 |
OldCoder |
Except no such blocks; I am sure I did the compute right |
| 02:39 |
OldCoder |
Possibly bad compare related to strings vs. integers? |
| 02:39 |
OldCoder |
But no more can be said today |
| 02:40 |
OldCoder |
That is the story |
| 02:40 |
VanessaE |
I suppose it's possible but I'm just not sure |
| 02:40 |
OldCoder |
BTW I am now using 32X HDX on Silvercrab |
| 02:40 |
OldCoder |
Mixed reactions but mostly positive |
| 02:40 |
OldCoder |
And 64X for flowers |
| 02:40 |
OldCoder |
I have one more issue about something VanessaE you just brought up |
| 02:40 |
VanessaE |
oh really? |
| 02:41 |
OldCoder |
64X much better for flowers |
| 02:41 |
twoelk |
with the copy-to-local version maybe one could visit the area with issues and thus copy said block. If the problem does not exist in the copied block one could extrct the selected area and insert it into the original map.sqlite |
| 02:41 |
VanessaE |
twoelk: interesting theory |
| 02:41 |
OldCoder |
Yes; but the blocks seem to be missing entirely |
| 02:41 |
OldCoder |
If it happens again |
| 02:41 |
OldCoder |
I will save the damaged world; this time I ran out of disk space |
| 02:41 |
OldCoder |
Was forced to delete it |
| 02:41 |
VanessaE |
twoelk: but it also raises an alternate possibility: if the block is as corrupt in the saved copy as on the server, the client could be used to capture a sample for analysis and bugfixing |
| 02:42 |
OldCoder |
I will isolate the problem next time |
| 02:42 |
twoelk |
indeed you just type faster ;-) |
| 02:43 |
VanessaE |
which means *looks at all the core devs* if that is the case, you guys can't bitch that a world with questionable blocks is too big to download anymore. |
| 02:46 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 02:46 |
OldCoder |
Is that what they say :D |
| 02:47 |
OldCoder |
Vanessa I have one more issue; you just brought it up |
| 02:47 |
VanessaE |
what's that/ |
| 02:47 |
OldCoder |
When I loaded the Silvercrab capture, the underground regions that were not captured were not regenerated |
| 02:47 |
OldCoder |
Instead there was just air |
| 02:47 |
OldCoder |
If the blocks were not present |
| 02:47 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: yeah, some folks have complained that they couldn't download because 2 to 5 GB is too much. |
| 02:47 |
OldCoder |
Yep |
| 02:47 |
OldCoder |
If the blocks were not present |
| 02:47 |
OldCoder |
Why were they replaced with air as opposed to regenerated? |
| 02:48 |
VanessaE |
if the blocks aren't present in the database, they should have re-generated completely? |
| 02:48 |
twoelk |
OldCoder: didn't you just say RedCrab was worth 30gb? |
| 02:48 |
VanessaE |
you're not running singlenode for the mapgen are you? |
| 02:48 |
OldCoder |
It was only 8GB twoelk but there was about double or triple that in captures |
| 02:48 |
OldCoder |
I extracted and merged different parts |
| 02:48 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, go on |
| 02:48 |
OldCoder |
What should I check? |
| 02:48 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: check the world's map_meta.txt |
| 02:48 |
OldCoder |
R |
| 02:49 |
VanessaE |
if you're running singlenode, it'll only generate air. |
| 02:49 |
VanessaE |
you need to be running mapgen v6 |
| 02:49 |
OldCoder |
Wait |
| 02:49 |
VanessaE |
(it should read, mg_name = v6 ) |
| 02:49 |
OldCoder |
Wait |
| 02:50 |
OldCoder |
That's it. What does single node do? And can I delete air blocks safely and restart with v6 ? |
| 02:50 |
VanessaE |
singlenode is basically "no mapgen" |
| 02:50 |
OldCoder |
But... |
| 02:50 |
OldCoder |
How do blocks get built? |
| 02:50 |
VanessaE |
it's meant to be used with custom Lua mapgens. |
| 02:51 |
OldCoder |
I wonder how I ended up with this |
| 02:51 |
VanessaE |
like if you want to write a mod that builds the map entirely in Lua |
| 02:51 |
VanessaE |
so yeah, just switch it to v6 and delete the broken blocks |
| 02:51 |
OldCoder |
Can I delete air blocks safely and restart with v6 ? |
| 02:51 |
OldCoder |
Cool |
| 02:51 |
OldCoder |
I will have mapblocks that are half air and half ore |
| 02:51 |
OldCoder |
Those will remain |
| 02:51 |
VanessaE |
as for how you got it into singlenode? *shrug* maybe a copy&paste from another world? |
| 02:51 |
OldCoder |
will the blocks below them be regenerated? |
| 02:51 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 02:52 |
OldCoder |
See question |
| 02:52 |
VanessaE |
yeah, any block that hasn't been generated will follow the original map as long as you're using the same seed that redcrab used |
| 02:52 |
OldCoder |
So if I have some blocks that were part air |
| 02:52 |
OldCoder |
They won't prevent ore below? |
| 02:52 |
VanessaE |
nope. |
| 02:52 |
OldCoder |
All right, Silvercrab will now improve |
| 02:53 |
VanessaE |
just let it run normally after you switch to v6 and delete any air blocks from the database as you find them |
| 02:53 |
OldCoder |
But mapformat.txt is incorrect; this is an issue |
| 02:53 |
OldCoder |
You mean 16x16x16 air blocks right? |
| 02:53 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 02:53 |
OldCoder |
What will happen if I put air blocks in the delete_old_nodes (sp) mod? |
| 02:54 |
VanessaE |
you don't wanna do that :) |
| 02:54 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 02:54 |
twoelk |
the saved worlds parts might have had singlenode, otherwise they regenerate were they shouldn't |
| 02:54 |
OldCoder |
Ah! |
| 02:54 |
OldCoder |
Could be! |
| 02:54 |
VanessaE |
you'll end up trying to delete every air node in existence probably :) |
| 02:54 |
OldCoder |
mapformat.txt seems to be incorrect for v25 |
| 02:54 |
OldCoder |
It has a U8 version and a U16 count |
| 02:54 |
OldCoder |
But IIRC the code skips the U16 if the U8 is zero |
| 02:55 |
OldCoder |
and the mapformat does not reflect this |
| 02:55 |
OldCoder |
Am I correct? |
| 02:55 |
VanessaE |
dunno :) |
| 02:55 |
OldCoder |
For static * |
| 02:55 |
OldCoder |
Problem is ShadowNinja has an air delete script |
| 02:55 |
OldCoder |
That does not take this into account |
| 02:55 |
OldCoder |
Well, thanks |
| 02:55 |
OldCoder |
This is enough to move Silvercrab forward |
| 02:55 |
VanessaE |
hold a bit, I'm searching for the seed now |
| 02:55 |
OldCoder |
Feel free to contribute new captures |
| 02:56 |
VanessaE |
or do you already have it? |
| 02:56 |
OldCoder |
I have a seed |
| 02:56 |
OldCoder |
It might be the right one |
| 02:56 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 02:56 |
OldCoder |
Redcrab is down again |
| 02:56 |
OldCoder |
So not sure how to tell |
| 02:57 |
VanessaE |
no, it's up. |
| 02:57 |
twoelk |
even with old seed you might get those vertical cliffs on chunk edges. Parts of redcrab are simply too old |
| 02:57 |
* VanessaE |
is downloading media |
| 02:58 |
OldCoder |
twoelk it's the best we can do |
| 02:58 |
OldCoder |
Redcrab is MIA and may not give away the map regardless |
| 02:58 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: it's up. seed acquired. |
| 02:58 |
OldCoder |
I have map_meta in front of me |
| 02:58 |
OldCoder |
What seed do you show? |
| 02:58 |
OldCoder |
seed = 6645703502574938571 |
| 02:59 |
OldCoder |
mg_name = singlenode |
| 02:59 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2011202014%20-%2010%3a00%3a06%20PM.png |
| 02:59 |
OldCoder |
mg_flags = trees, caves, nodungeons, flat, light |
| 02:59 |
OldCoder |
R |
| 02:59 |
VanessaE |
6645... is not the correct seed. see my screenshot. |
| 02:59 |
OldCoder |
Glad you checked! |
| 02:59 |
OldCoder |
So I'd end up with something weird!! |
| 02:59 |
* twoelk |
is pretty happy for all the effort that has been put into making worlds in distress availiable again |
| 02:59 |
OldCoder |
What should I use for mg_flags ? |
| 03:00 |
OldCoder |
twoelk, thank you!! |
| 03:00 |
* OldCoder |
has done this for 2.5 years |
| 03:00 |
OldCoder |
What should I use for mg_flags ? water_level ? chunk size? |
| 03:00 |
VanessaE |
well my house is still here at least :) |
| 03:00 |
OldCoder |
Don't I have it at Silvercrab? |
| 03:00 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: create a new world around v6 and copy the defaults from it. |
| 03:00 |
VanessaE |
but plug in that ^^^^ seed. |
| 03:01 |
OldCoder |
So just put in v6 |
| 03:01 |
OldCoder |
and copy the resulting settings? |
| 03:01 |
VanessaE |
from a new world, yeah |
| 03:01 |
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| 03:01 |
OldCoder |
mg_name = v6 ? |
| 03:01 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, do I have your house at Silvercrab? |
| 03:01 |
VanessaE |
v6 is static, if you use the settings you get from a new world, you'll get the same thing redcrab's using. |
| 03:01 |
VanessaE |
lemme check. |
| 03:01 |
ShadowNinja |
OldCoder: Carefull, my script might just wipe out sections of your map. And you'll need to rewrite it in C or something like that to get it to complete in less than a few hours on a map of that size. Expect it to take all night. |
| 03:02 |
VanessaE |
*grumble* can't find it in the list. |
| 03:03 |
ShadowNinja |
(C might give slight or massive speedups, I don't know without trying. It's mostly IO bound and SQLite3 handles the IO, so probably slight) |
| 03:03 |
VanessaE |
!server silvercrab |
| 03:03 |
MinetestBot |
VanessaE: No results |
| 03:03 |
VanessaE |
!server silvercrab* |
| 03:03 |
MinetestBot |
VanessaE: No results |
| 03:03 |
VanessaE |
*grumble* |
| 03:03 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: I can't find it in the list. |
| 03:03 |
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| 03:04 |
OldCoder |
Hm? |
| 03:04 |
OldCoder |
server at minetest.net times out a lot |
| 03:04 |
OldCoder |
It is minetest.org port 30019 |
| 03:04 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 03:04 |
OldCoder |
The server list announce thing often does not work |
| 03:04 |
OldCoder |
I am told there is no solution |
| 03:04 |
OldCoder |
I increased curl timeout but not much difference |
| 03:05 |
ShadowNinja |
~server --address minetest.org --port 30019 |
| 03:05 |
ShadowBot |
ShadowNinja: No results. |
| 03:05 |
VanessaE |
it's the server list hardware that's bugged. |
| 03:05 |
VanessaE |
ok, yeah my house is still here. |
| 03:05 |
OldCoder |
ShadowNinja, may I have the very latest air removal code again? We have a strong use case for it |
| 03:05 |
OldCoder |
But I fear the static object thing will corrupt the world |
| 03:05 |
OldCoder |
I swear I saw code that contradicted mapgen.txt |
| 03:05 |
VanessaE |
in fact, I spawned in it :) |
| 03:05 |
OldCoder |
ah |
| 03:06 |
ShadowNinja |
OldCoder: Latest is what I gave you recently. I haven't changed it since then. |
| 03:06 |
OldCoder |
Relink in PM? Or here |
| 03:06 |
OldCoder |
I save all this stuff |
| 03:06 |
OldCoder |
But Lord so many files and so busy |
| 03:06 |
* VanessaE |
grumbles at having to clear cache to be able to connect to these old servers. |
| 03:06 |
OldCoder |
why? |
| 03:07 |
OldCoder |
What old servers? |
| 03:07 |
OldCoder |
Silvercrab is new |
| 03:07 |
ShadowNinja |
http://sprunge.us/ShCW |
| 03:07 |
OldCoder |
ShadowNinja, I am going to grep for the glitch I mentioned shortly |
| 03:07 |
OldCoder |
ty |
| 03:07 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: I mean Redcrab. |
| 03:07 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 03:07 |
VanessaE |
I was comparing my house on Redcrab with the capture on Silvercrab |
| 03:07 |
VanessaE |
seems you're up-to-date after all :) |
| 03:08 |
OldCoder |
Good |
| 03:08 |
OldCoder |
Feel free to tell others to contribute deep underground or other captures |
| 03:08 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: You just have to rm one of the files. |
| 03:08 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: I know, but that means Minetest should be doing something different from what it actually does. |
| 03:08 |
ShadowNinja |
(from that server) |
| 03:09 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: The protocol was messed up before. Asking for things makes the server send a "end init, you can start playing now" packet. |
| 03:09 |
OldCoder |
ShadowNinja, I will look now at the core code |
| 03:10 |
OldCoder |
ShadowNinja, hang on pls |
| 03:10 |
ShadowNinja |
Oh, BTW, that's untested IIRC, so it may not work. |
| 03:10 |
OldCoder |
ShadowNinja, hang on pls |
| 03:11 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: understood. |
| 03:11 |
OldCoder |
ShadowNinja, I found it |
| 03:11 |
OldCoder |
Check this out: |
| 03:11 |
OldCoder |
nodemetadata.cpp |
| 03:12 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: sapier and I have gone round and round about this in /msg when the newer protocol code was being developed; he was quite insistent that redcrab couldn't be "fixed" without it being hacky |
| 03:12 |
OldCoder |
Line 86 |
| 03:12 |
OldCoder |
nodemetadata.cpp line 86 ShadowNinja won't your code corrupt without this code? |
| 03:12 |
VanessaE |
still that server needs to be allowed to finally die off in favor of Silvercrab. |
| 03:13 |
ShadowNinja |
OldCoder: One moment... |
| 03:13 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder's done a lot of work to make sure the world still works properly with modern minetest, so there's no reason to "un-fix" the protocol anyway |
| 03:13 |
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| 03:13 |
OldCoder |
Unfix what? |
| 03:13 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: that reminds me, did we ever settle on what to do about all those botched wool nodes around the spawn? |
| 03:14 |
OldCoder |
You or Sokomine contributed code that has masked them |
| 03:14 |
OldCoder |
Hold on |
| 03:14 |
OldCoder |
Was that you? |
| 03:14 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: I mean having to delete (some files from) cache to get onto Redcrab. |
| 03:14 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 03:14 |
OldCoder |
You or Sokomine contributed code that has masked them. Was that you? |
| 03:14 |
VanessaE |
Sokomine probably. |
| 03:14 |
OldCoder |
Wait |
| 03:14 |
OldCoder |
How is this: |
| 03:15 |
OldCoder |
http://minetest.org/bacon.txt |
| 03:15 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: Authentication Required |
| 03:15 |
OldCoder |
That seems to replace all unknown blocks with wool ?? |
| 03:15 |
OldCoder |
Hm? |
| 03:15 |
OldCoder |
What is required where? |
| 03:15 |
VanessaE |
that link |
| 03:15 |
OldCoder |
Nope |
| 03:15 |
OldCoder |
Wait |
| 03:15 |
VanessaE |
it demands a username + pass |
| 03:15 |
OldCoder |
Odd! |
| 03:15 |
OldCoder |
Wait |
| 03:16 |
OldCoder |
http://minetest.org/moreso.txt |
| 03:16 |
OldCoder |
? |
| 03:17 |
OldCoder |
That fix is not clear |
| 03:17 |
OldCoder |
Because we still have unknown blocks |
| 03:17 |
ShadowNinja |
OldCoder: Nope, the version is wrapped in a Deflated container. |
| 03:17 |
OldCoder |
ShadowNinja, I think we are talking about different things? |
| 03:17 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: that second link works. |
| 03:17 |
ShadowNinja |
And I ignore the actual data since I just want to skip it. |
| 03:18 |
OldCoder |
I mean after the container is unzlibbed |
| 03:18 |
OldCoder |
The point is |
| 03:18 |
OldCoder |
The U16 count is omitted if the U8 release is zero |
| 03:18 |
OldCoder |
The count is not there |
| 03:18 |
VanessaE |
wait..that code actually works? |
| 03:18 |
OldCoder |
Am I missing something ? |
| 03:18 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, define works? |
| 03:18 |
VanessaE |
since when could an ABM trigger on a node name of "unknown"? |
| 03:18 |
ShadowNinja |
OldCoder: I discard the decompressed data, I just decompress it to find it's length and skip it. |
| 03:18 |
OldCoder |
ShadowNinja, we are talking about different things |
| 03:19 |
OldCoder |
Wait while I copy paste part of your code |
| 03:19 |
OldCoder |
# Objects |
| 03:19 |
OldCoder |
object_version, object_count = struct.unpack(">BH", f.read(3)) |
| 03:19 |
OldCoder |
That code seems to be incorrect |
| 03:19 |
OldCoder |
Is this or is it not produced by this code: |
| 03:19 |
OldCoder |
Disclaimer: |
| 03:19 |
ShadowNinja |
OldCoder: That's the object code, not the node metadata code. |
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| 03:20 |
OldCoder |
I know |
| 03:20 |
OldCoder |
Wait |
| 03:20 |
OldCoder |
I am getting the terms mixed up |
| 03:20 |
OldCoder |
We agree this is the part right before the timestamp |
| 03:20 |
OldCoder |
Hold on |
| 03:21 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 03:21 |
OldCoder |
Yes, ShadowNinja I believe your code will corrupt |
| 03:21 |
OldCoder |
Observe: |
| 03:22 |
OldCoder |
No; that is not it. I will need to look at this further. Thank you for the code. |
| 03:22 |
OldCoder |
Reviewing my own code further; it seems to work |
| 03:27 |
OldCoder |
ShadowNinja, the 2nd compressed container does not include the static objects, the timestamp, or the name list, right? |
| 03:27 |
OldCoder |
And thanks |
| 03:27 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, let me know what you think of Sokomine ABM |
| 03:27 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: I did |
| 03:28 |
OldCoder |
You said, not sure of what it does? |
| 03:28 |
OldCoder |
If I remove it and weird things appear, we'll know |
| 03:28 |
ShadowNinja |
OldCoder: Each container contains only one thing (or group of things), so yes. |
| 03:29 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: the ABM is fine except for three things: one, make the interval 1, not 20. 2, use set_node, not swap_node (and don't set param2). 3, are you sure you can actually match on nodenames = {"unknown"} ? I don't think it works like that. |
| 03:29 |
OldCoder |
And only the 1st two are compressed, right? One more question ShadowNinja does your script operate on an SQLite file or create a new one? |
| 03:30 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, is she trying to change *all* unknown blocks? If so, it is not working. But the word unknown appears in serialized data. |
| 03:30 |
ShadowNinja |
OldCoder: It operates on an existing one. I'm not sure what you mean by first two. |
| 03:30 |
OldCoder |
Never mind ShadowNinja got what I need to proceed for now. Will comment my code line by line; this will tell me more |
| 03:30 |
OldCoder |
Thanks |
| 03:30 |
ShadowNinja |
local is_unknown = minetest.registered_nodes[name] == nil |
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ShadowNinja |
^ That's how to detect unknown nodes. |
| 03:31 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: indeed, this ABM would change all blocks that are called "unknown" in the map, but I don't know what this case will actually result in. A *normal* unknown block is still known by its real name in the map (e.g. default:stone_with_gold would still be default:stone_with_gold in the map even if you managed to uninstall the default mod) |
| 03:31 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: special case. this is the import-old-map unknown-node glitch |
| 03:32 |
VanessaE |
the one that turns exactly one kind of node into unknown with only a numeric reference in the map |
| 03:32 |
VanessaE |
in this case, it affects cyan wool from the old pre-0.4....um..5? maps |
| 03:32 |
OldCoder |
Were those weird blocks actually called unknown? |
| 03:33 |
OldCoder |
That would explain it |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: I don't think so, that's the problem. |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
lemme get back on and look agaian |
| 03:33 |
OldCoder |
Should I remove the mod? |
| 03:33 |
twoelk |
arent they still cyanwool in the database? |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
not yet. |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
twoelk: no |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
they're a numeric reference without a name |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
or some such |
| 03:34 |
twoelk |
so they got renamed? |
| 03:34 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: um..where the hell? you moved the spawn point? |
| 03:34 |
Fritigern |
TADAAAA!!!!! sfan5 and nore should buy me a drink now! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7263&p=162478#p162478 |
| 03:34 |
VanessaE |
twoelk: they got re-ID'd because of the expansion of the max number of nodes |
| 03:34 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, type /center |
| 03:35 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: ah, better. |
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OldCoder |
carlvelleri, Hi |
| 03:35 |
OldCoder |
http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2011202014%20-%2010%3a00%3a06%20PM.png |
| 03:35 |
twoelk |
ah, now I remember |
| 03:35 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: ok, the nodes have already been replaced by cyan wool. |
| 03:35 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, replaced? Don't I need to run the mod with set instead of swap? |
| 03:35 |
VanessaE |
note to self: HDX needs some updates. |
| 03:36 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: either set or swap will work, but you don't normally use swap in this case because you're just going to outright replace the node without caring what was there before |
| 03:36 |
OldCoder |
What does swap do? |
| 03:36 |
VanessaE |
swap is used when you need to save the node metadata |
| 03:36 |
OldCoder |
So both write the file? |
| 03:36 |
VanessaE |
e.g. if you need to switch between active and inactive furnaces. |
| 03:36 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 03:36 |
VanessaE |
you don't NEED to change it |
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OldCoder |
So this worked? |
| 03:36 |
VanessaE |
it's just coding style |
| 03:36 |
VanessaE |
yep, it worked |
| 03:37 |
OldCoder |
And I can use this mod to replace other obsolete blocks? |
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VanessaE |
OldCoder: yeah, just change the nodenames = line to point to the right node, and change the swap to insert the correct replacement |
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| 03:40 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: your HDX is out of date, or your moreblocks is |
| 03:41 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: can you verify the texture filenames for moreblocks:iron_stone_bricks and moreblocks:stone_tile ? |
| 03:41 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, I downloaded your latest |
| 03:41 |
OldCoder |
Hold on |
| 03:42 |
OldCoder |
moreblocks_iron_stone_bricks.png |
| 03:42 |
VanessaE |
that's what I show for current HDX |
| 03:42 |
OldCoder |
moreblocks_stone_tile.png |
| 03:42 |
OldCoder |
Doe |
| 03:42 |
OldCoder |
Done |
| 03:43 |
VanessaE |
ok, you missed those two then. |
| 03:43 |
OldCoder |
Wait |
| 03:43 |
OldCoder |
Should not be possible |
| 03:43 |
VanessaE |
checking with local HDX copy |
| 03:43 |
VanessaE |
yep, works with my local copy |
| 03:43 |
VanessaE |
also check your nature:blossom image, it's wrong too |
| 03:44 |
OldCoder |
My copy of the 32X ZIP does not have that |
| 03:44 |
VanessaE |
you pulled the wrong one then :) |
| 03:44 |
VanessaE |
pull from my git repo, not the zips |
| 03:44 |
OldCoder |
Your page is not clear then :P |
| 03:44 |
VanessaE |
those are "default stuff only" |
| 03:44 |
OldCoder |
So the ZIPs are outdated?? |
| 03:44 |
OldCoder |
Links for 32 and 64 pls |
| 03:45 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/VanessaE/hdx-32/commits/master ~~ https://github.com/VanessaE/hdx-64/commits/master |
| 03:45 |
OldCoder |
ty |
| 03:45 |
VanessaE |
clone those and use them to replace your zips |
| 03:45 |
OldCoder |
Very well t y |
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carlvelleri |
oldcoder check PM please |
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OldCoder |
After the air removal |
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Fritigern |
VanessaE: There are some uninitialized globals left in pipeworks (line 29, vars node_breaker_on and node_breaker_off) |
| 03:51 |
AgentFire |
Is there a mod like Applied Energistics for Minetest? |
| 03:52 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: dang it, I was in the middle of fixing some griefing.. :P |
| 03:52 |
VanessaE |
Fritigern: ok, poke nore about those. |
| 03:53 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, you are most welcome to continue in the shiny world that is coming |
| 03:53 |
OldCoder |
It is going to be quite large in the end |
| 03:53 |
OldCoder |
Tell people to get their Redcaptures in order |
| 03:53 |
VanessaE |
large is good - storage is cheap :) |
| 03:53 |
OldCoder |
If people start building in the old cities it will be difficult to merge directly |
| 03:54 |
AgentFire |
VanessaE: Do you know of a mod like Applied Energistics? |
| 03:54 |
VanessaE |
AgentFire: I don't know what that is |
| 03:54 |
AgentFire |
It's a mod in minecraft for better storage |
| 03:54 |
AgentFire |
You can access all your items in one terminal |
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Fritigern |
Hmmm... Try pipeworks¿? |
| 03:54 |
VanessaE |
AgentFire: sounds like a mithril chest |
| 03:55 |
VanessaE |
or what Unified Inventory does |
| 03:55 |
VanessaE |
idk |
| 03:55 |
VanessaE |
never played minecraft |
| 03:55 |
AgentFire |
Okay, thanks. I just hate having to go through 15 million chests |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
ah that |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
I don't know of a mod that can do that |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
but chests don't "register" their contents with any kind of central database so it'd be very hard to make such a thing |
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Fritigern |
Aplied energistics lets you trnsfer stuff from one chest to anohter, you can finler per item, IIRC. So i would suggest trying pipeworks |
| 03:57 |
DFeniks |
so i draw this silly picture mediacru.sh/ebKkgXQy3NTZ is it possible to stack worlds like that? i didnt mean actual worlds that have separate folders , you know |
| 03:57 |
Fritigern |
OMG, that text is so messed up..... |
| 03:57 |
Fritigern |
Corrected text: Applied energistics lets you transfer stuff from one chest to another, you can also filter per item, IIRC. So i would suggest trying pipeworks |
| 03:57 |
DFeniks |
hmm, i posted link wrong? |
| 03:58 |
AgentFire |
Fritigern: Applied Energistics is a massive storage mod. You can basically store everything you own in it, and access it through one terminal. |
| 03:59 |
DFeniks |
https://mediacru.sh/ebKkgXQy3NTZ is this better? |
| 04:00 |
VanessaE |
DFeniks: yes, that IS possible but to my knowledge, no one's done it yet |
| 04:00 |
VanessaE |
you can't directly stack whole *worlds* like that but you can read one world into another with some hacking, or you can just generate a world already in that form |
| 04:01 |
VanessaE |
and you can alter physics, gravity, etc on a per-rralm basis |
| 04:01 |
VanessaE |
per-realm* |
| 04:02 |
VanessaE |
(read one into another: that's what OldCoder did to rebuild Redcrab's world from multiple, separate captures, to create the world we call "Silvercrab") |
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Fritigern |
DFeniks: That looks very interesting. Do you plan om creating a worldgenerator for that? |
| 04:02 |
VanessaE |
the only problem is stopping light, rather shadows, from propagating downward |
| 04:03 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: does, or doesn't the engine have some finite limit on that? |
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DFeniks |
actually im seriosly dreaming |
| 04:03 |
DFeniks |
i dont thin i can do that . not yet |
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VanessaE |
DFeniks: it's no dream, that's really not too difficult. the lighting issue I mentioned aside, Minetest can already do all of that with some pretty basic coding |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
talk to paramat some time |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
he's the Lua mapgen god around here |
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AgentFire |
VanessaE: What server are you playing on right now? |
| 04:06 |
VanessaE |
AgentFire: none right now |
| 04:06 |
VanessaE |
I was on Silvercrab earlier |
| 04:06 |
AgentFire |
Oh, you have like, 15 million servers |
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VanessaE |
I have 8. :) |
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OldCoder |
VanessaE, we can do that |
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OldCoder |
Sokomine and paramat seem to concur |
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AgentFire |
VanessaE: Does any of them have the Wifi Chests and Travelnet Mods? |
| 04:07 |
OldCoder |
I can even change the sky for each level |
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VanessaE |
AgentFire: some of them have Travelnet |
| 04:08 |
VanessaE |
but wifi chests, not really sure :P |
| 04:08 |
VanessaE |
if technic has that working, then use |
| 04:08 |
VanessaE |
yes* |
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OldCoder |
Fritigern, paramat's stuff has the start of that |
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AgentFire |
VanessaE: Do you know how to get rid of pesky minecarts. Mine won't go away |
| 04:12 |
VanessaE |
AgentFire: shift-punch I think |
| 04:12 |
VanessaE |
if not, worldedit them out :) |
| 04:12 |
VanessaE |
(//pos1, //pos2, then //clearobjects with two slashes) |
| 04:12 |
AgentFire |
You are a genius :) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Mgv5 1 up 1 down overgeneration for biome surface continuity fcdb1a8 http://git.io/_oaaPA (2014-11-20T23:13:09-05:00) |
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paramat |
https://mediacru.sh/ebKkgXQy3NTZ can be done, gravity can be set by y position |
| 04:20 |
paramat |
as can custom skyboxes, see my moonrealm mod for the code |
| 04:22 |
paramat |
nice diagram and ideas |
| 04:27 |
paramat |
shadows will only propagate downwards endlessly if you start at the top and travel mapchunk by mapchunk downwards |
| 04:28 |
paramat |
but they won't grief an already generated chunk, so any builds are safe |
| 04:29 |
paramat |
the shadows will be messy of course, but have charm when you're used to them |
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* paramat |
is now just the mapgen tea boy |
| 04:32 |
paramat |
so no the engine doesnt limit shadow propagation |
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DFeniks |
how the shadows are generated ? if i dig 3x3 hole down for example it never gets dark |
| 04:34 |
DFeniks |
what if i teleport to empty cave underground . too big to load cieling it will also be dark? |
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paramat |
each mapchunk looks at the node layer above it for a light level, if the mapchunk above is ungenerated the code assumes darkness below the set 'water_level' |
| 04:37 |
paramat |
so for your world you will need to set water level very low, to avoid excessive lighting glitches |
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paramat |
shadows are only vertically under nodes, sunlight propagates vertically downward endlessly |
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DFeniks |
is it possible to swim in not liquid? because liquid will generate flowing probably will be mess |
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DFeniks |
or move up down like with fly enabled |
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paramat |
liquids can be made to not flow 'liquid_range = 0' |
| 04:43 |
DFeniks |
ah |
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DFeniks |
im noob yet |
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paramat |
but yes motion in zero-g may be a problem |
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paramat |
i think a cmpletely clear swimmable liquid can be created |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: Optimise functions from CNodeDefManager and VoxelManipulator d406ac9 http://git.io/2k88-A (2014-11-21T14:56:45+10:00) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: Optimise getTileInfo() ea40497 http://git.io/yaiWTg (2014-11-21T14:56:45+10:00) |
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AgentFire |
Does anybody know how long libertyland goes down for maintenance? |
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Fritigern |
AgentFire: It usually doesn;t take very long |
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Fritigern |
It's prolly back by now |
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AgentFire |
It is. |
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AgentFire |
Thanks |
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AgentFire |
VanessaE: Do you know of the Nyancat blocks? |
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VanessaE |
sure |
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AgentFire |
Are they rare or useful? |
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VanessaE |
they're rare, that's about it |
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AgentFire |
I found one! |
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AgentFire |
Yay! |
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Megaf_ |
Hi all |
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kilbith |
hi |
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Megaf_ |
Hi kilbith |
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Megaf_ |
We need more comments here, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1854#issue-49590015 |
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Megaf_ |
Or just upvotes :) |
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Zeno` |
I think min view range and max are back to front in the comment? |
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kilbith |
not sure for fly/fast |
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Zeno` |
I kinda like fast fly |
| 10:46 |
Zeno` |
sort of used to it tbh |
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Megaf_ |
You will only have to press w and e at the same time... |
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Zeno` |
I know but... hmm |
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Zeno` |
I only have to change my .conf as well :) |
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Megaf_ |
and your right hand will not have to leave the mouse to press j to enable and disable it all the time, also messing with fast on walk.. |
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Zeno` |
Do players on your server have fly? |
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Megaf_ |
admins have |
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Zeno` |
Surely an admin would know how to turn fast off |
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Zeno` |
I dunno... |
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Megaf_ |
not really |
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Zeno` |
Will wait to see how the conversation evolves |
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Megaf_ |
I think only two admins have actually touched minetest.conf |
| 10:50 |
Megaf_ |
most people dont even know that file exists |
| 10:50 |
Zeno` |
I mean when they're playing |
| 10:50 |
Zeno` |
oh wait |
| 10:50 |
Zeno` |
hmm |
| 10:51 |
Zeno` |
yeah turning fast move off still works |
| 10:51 |
Zeno` |
I'm not strongly opposed to it, just mildly hehe |
| 10:53 |
Zeno` |
I like the fall bobbing |
| 10:53 |
Zeno` |
can't see why that would be an issue |
| 10:53 |
Zeno` |
seems like good feedback |
| 11:04 |
Megaf_ |
It is indeed |
| 11:04 |
Megaf_ |
It's kinda borng when you fall and nothing happen |
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* Jordach |
uninstalls Catalyst |
| 11:50 |
Zeno` |
yeah, install NVidia control panel |
| 11:53 |
Megaf_ |
Jordach: Im actually using the open source driver on my new toshiba laptop |
| 11:53 |
Megaf_ |
the radeon one |
| 11:54 |
Megaf_ |
good enough |
| 11:54 |
Megaf_ |
Its a Radeon R2 GPU |
| 11:54 |
Megaf_ |
:D |
| 11:54 |
Jordach |
Megaf_, GTX 750ti would like to have a word |
| 11:54 |
Jordach |
>21c temp |
| 11:54 |
Jordach |
watr |
| 11:55 |
Megaf_ |
lol, Catalyst is for AMD only |
| 11:56 |
Jordach |
Megaf_, nVidia GPU > AMD APU |
| 11:56 |
Megaf_ |
Jordach: sure |
| 11:56 |
Jordach |
not sure how i remember that logic thing points |
| 11:57 |
Megaf_ |
AMD GPU > NVIDIA GPU > AMD GPU > ARM GPU > INTEL GPU |
| 11:57 |
Jordach |
wat no |
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Jordach_ |
u wot VirtualBox |
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* Jordach_ |
goes on an uninstallation spree |
| 12:04 |
Zeno` |
I think he accidentally uninstalled his IRC client |
| 12:04 |
Zeno` |
oh |
| 12:04 |
Zeno` |
never mind! |
| 12:04 |
Zeno` |
disaster averted |
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Megaf_ |
:P |
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Megaf_ |
Zeno`: how do I squash down these four commits to one? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1854/commits |
| 12:28 |
Megaf_ |
Or anyone else who knows that |
| 12:28 |
Zeno` |
make a backup of your repo |
| 12:29 |
Zeno` |
git rebase -i HEAD~4 |
| 12:29 |
Zeno` |
(when you are in that branch) |
| 12:29 |
Zeno` |
the 4 is "squash latest 4" |
| 12:29 |
Zeno` |
-i is for interactive |
| 12:29 |
Zeno` |
you'll be asked to edit things as it progresses |
| 12:30 |
Zeno` |
it'll have something like .... |
| 12:30 |
Zeno` |
pick |
| 12:30 |
Zeno` |
pick |
| 12:30 |
Zeno` |
pick |
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| 12:30 |
Zeno` |
leave the top picks and change the others to s (squash) |
| 12:30 |
Zeno` |
top pick* |
| 12:30 |
Megaf_ |
ok |
| 12:32 |
Megaf_ |
then what? |
| 12:33 |
Megaf_ |
Successfully rebased and updated refs/heads/master. |
| 12:33 |
Zeno` |
then push it (using -f to force overwriting) |
| 12:33 |
Megaf_ |
Thanks, I was missign the -f |
| 12:34 |
Megaf_ |
Im afraid it didnt work |
| 12:34 |
MinetestBot |
[git] rafael7 -> minetest/minetest: serialize.h: use machine native byte swapping if available, fall-back to previous generic method if not (supported for GCC using endian.h, detection done in cmake) write/readARGB8() - just write 32-bit color in one op, instead of 4 1-byte ops cleanup: removed unneeded buffer init for some serialize-out functions use a #define for the fixed point factor in read/writeF1000() f7 |
| 12:34 |
Zeno` |
didn't work? |
| 12:35 |
Megaf_ |
still four commit here https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1854 |
| 12:35 |
Zeno` |
something went wrong then :) |
| 12:36 |
Zeno` |
did you change all but the top "pick" to "s" ? |
| 12:36 |
Megaf_ |
whoops |
| 12:37 |
Megaf_ |
lets see now |
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| 12:38 |
Zeno` |
done ;)( |
| 12:38 |
Megaf_ |
cool, Thanks a million Zeno` https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1854 |
| 12:38 |
Zeno` |
you're welcome |
| 12:38 |
Leoneof |
Why i'm here? |
| 12:39 |
Megaf_ |
Leoneof: No idea |
| 12:39 |
Leoneof |
:\ |
| 12:40 |
Megaf_ |
Leoneof: define here |
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| 12:40 |
Leoneof |
here->this channel :p |
| 12:41 |
Megaf_ |
Leoneof: do you play/like Minetest? |
| 12:42 |
Leoneof |
no :] |
| 12:42 |
Zeno` |
You can't be here for the conversation, surely |
| 12:43 |
Leoneof |
>:( |
| 12:46 |
Leoneof |
i will play minetest, so i can stay here |
| 12:46 |
Zeno` |
lol :D |
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Megaf_ |
Leoneof: Thats a good idea |
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Megaf_ |
My server have the lowest ping of them all http://servers.minetest.net/ |
| 13:52 |
Megaf_ |
!server |
| 13:52 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf_: more info http://sss.chaoslab.ru/node/396 | sss.chaoslab.ru:30013 | Clients: 0/50, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest | Ping: 69ms |
| 13:52 |
Megaf_ |
Is that a random response? |
| 13:52 |
Jordach |
ya |
| 13:52 |
Jordach |
!server Megaf |
| 13:52 |
MinetestBot |
Jordach: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 2/10, 2/3 | Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore | Ping: 2ms |
| 13:53 |
shadowzone |
ANd it keeps going down. |
| 13:53 |
shadowzone |
!server selahs |
| 13:53 |
shadowzone |
Wait.. |
| 13:53 |
Jordach |
but that's a good fucking achievement for a Brazil server |
| 13:53 |
shadowzone |
I don't think it's up |
| 13:53 |
shadowzone |
Lemme check |
| 13:53 |
shadowzone |
it's up... |
| 13:54 |
Megaf_ |
Jordach: is not in brazil... |
| 13:54 |
Zeno` |
London! |
| 13:54 |
Megaf_ |
:) |
| 13:54 |
shadowzone |
Mine's in Virginia. |
| 13:54 |
Zeno` |
I have no idea where mine is |
| 13:55 |
Megaf_ |
lol |
| 13:55 |
shadowzone |
Lol |
| 13:55 |
shadowzone |
It's on earth |
| 13:55 |
shadowzone |
We know that. |
| 13:55 |
Megaf_ |
I see you really care about your server |
| 13:55 |
Zeno` |
yeah, somewhere |
| 13:55 |
shadowzone |
But where on earth... |
| 13:55 |
Zeno` |
It's in the US somewhere |
| 13:55 |
Megaf_ |
shadowzone: maybe orbiting Earth |
| 13:55 |
shadowzone |
Lol |
| 13:55 |
shadowzone |
So does anyone here listen to dubstep? |
| 13:55 |
Jordach |
Megaf_, you mean i'll get RTT = 0.01 |
| 13:55 |
Zeno` |
just tracert the thing! |
| 13:56 |
Megaf_ |
Jordach: join and see |
| 13:56 |
* Jordach |
signs in |
| 13:56 |
shadowzone |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VQ-hPy1XGQ <-- 'cause this song shakes me house when I play it on my speakers. |
| 13:56 |
Jordach |
>OpenGL 4.4 |
| 13:56 |
Jordach |
pssh |
| 13:56 |
Zeno` |
I still have no idea where it is |
| 13:57 |
Zeno` |
stupid traceroute |
| 13:57 |
Megaf_ |
Jordach: My RTT is 0.090 |
| 13:57 |
Jordach |
shadowzone, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMUDVMiITOU or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJEzl31zL-I |
| 13:58 |
Fritigern |
Zeno. 178.79.130.6 is located in the UK |
| 13:58 |
shadowzone |
Listening to both of 'em |
| 13:58 |
Jordach |
0.016 RTT Megaf_ |
| 13:58 |
Fritigern |
http://www.whatsmyip.org/ip-geo-location/ |
| 13:58 |
Jordach |
26ms ping |
| 13:58 |
Megaf_ |
Jordach: close enough |
| 13:58 |
Megaf_ |
Fritigern: we now about my server, we dont know about Zeno`s server |
| 13:58 |
shadowzone |
Jordach: you seriously sent me that song? |
| 13:59 |
Jordach |
!server Zeno |
| 13:59 |
MinetestBot |
Jordach: No results |
| 13:59 |
Jordach |
dammit fellas |
| 13:59 |
Jordach |
<3 MinetestBot |
| 13:59 |
MinetestBot |
<3 Jordach |
| 13:59 |
shadowzone |
Lol |
| 13:59 |
Megaf_ |
!server Onez |
| 13:59 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf_: Onez' Minetest Server | mtzeno.com | Clients: 1/25, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest | Ping: 156ms |
| 13:59 |
Zeno` |
Arizone |
| 13:59 |
Zeno` |
Arizona* |
| 13:59 |
Megaf_ |
Thats Zenos server |
| 13:59 |
Zeno` |
yeah that's mine! |
| 13:59 |
Jordach |
Pinging mtzeno.com [198.12.150.178] with 32 bytes of data: |
| 13:59 |
Jordach |
Request timed out. |
| 13:59 |
Jordach |
nope.avi |
| 13:59 |
* Zeno` |
jumps up and down |
| 13:59 |
Zeno` |
that is mine |
| 14:00 |
Fritigern |
Scottsdale, AZ, US |
| 14:00 |
Zeno` |
your ping must be broken Jordach |
| 14:00 |
Zeno` |
unless I disabled it... can't remember |
| 14:00 |
Jordach |
Zeno`, or your iptables is blocking them |
| 14:00 |
Zeno` |
yeah |
| 14:00 |
Fritigern |
!server Pacata |
| 14:00 |
MinetestBot |
Fritigern: Pacata | 67.170.30.149 | Clients: 0/20, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / pacata | Ping: 166ms |
| 14:00 |
Megaf_ |
!server Megaf |
| 14:00 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf_: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 3/10, 2/3 | Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore | Ping: 2ms |
| 14:01 |
Megaf_ |
Linode rulez :D |
| 14:01 |
Megaf_ |
best VPS ever |
| 14:02 |
Fritigern |
Megaf_: How do you get a 2ms ping? Is your server hosted on the same machine as that Mintestbot is running on? |
| 14:02 |
Megaf_ |
Fritigern: nope, my VPS provider is fantastic, thats why |
| 14:02 |
Megaf_ |
Fritigern: and they fixed a bug I reported... |
| 14:03 |
Megaf_ |
~up mt.megaf.info 30003 |
| 14:03 |
ShadowBot |
Megaf_: mt.megaf.info port 30003 is up (123874us) |
| 14:03 |
Megaf_ |
? |
| 14:03 |
Megaf_ |
I think thats 1.2 ms, maybe? |
| 14:04 |
Zeno` |
heck I have half the internet blocked with my iptables rules |
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Zeno` |
Fritigern! |
| 14:04 |
Megaf_ |
Cool things about Linux, you can git pull, make clean, and make, without having to stop your client! |
| 14:05 |
Megaf_ |
then you have to restart it just to load the new bin |
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Fritigern |
Zeno`: Have you ever figured out how the markers mod can crash a server? |
| 14:11 |
Zeno` |
nah |
| 14:11 |
Zeno` |
I haven't tried very hard though hehe |
| 14:12 |
Fritigern |
It's easy, really. Just place 4 markers in a straight line, and right-click the last one. CRASH BOOM! Time to restart |
| 14:12 |
Zeno` |
Sokomine are you here? |
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| 14:13 |
Zeno` |
Fritigern, I assign you to the quest |
| 14:13 |
Zeno` |
lol :P |
| 14:13 |
Fritigern |
I have already reported the issue, but so far no activity on her git |
| 14:13 |
Fritigern |
I also posted it in the forum, nothing though. |
| 14:14 |
Zeno` |
Personally I don't think more than two markers should be allowed |
| 14:14 |
Zeno` |
You can mathematically solve for > 2 points but it complicates things |
| 14:14 |
Zeno` |
(a lot) |
| 14:14 |
Fritigern |
I think that the crash occurs because the mod tried to coalculate the area, then divide the area by something else, but because the area is zero, it goes kablooey |
| 14:15 |
Fritigern |
Then again, i can not quite make sense of the code, so i could be way off |
| 14:15 |
Zeno` |
I think it's the prediction of the opposite/candidate corner |
| 14:15 |
Zeno` |
But as I said I haven't looked into it much at all |
| 14:15 |
kilbith |
those markers are painful in placing anyway, better to select diagonally with just two |
| 14:16 |
Zeno` |
that's what I mean... only two are needed |
| 14:16 |
Zeno` |
with > 2 the maths becomes non-trivial |
| 14:16 |
Fritigern |
If i were knowledgable enough, i would have forked the mod, and made my own version, like it did with 3d_torch, which i made safe to use on servers now |
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Zeno` |
I may just remove the mod |
| 14:18 |
Zeno` |
nobody seems to use it a lot anyway (they ask me to protect ROFLOL) |
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kilbith |
because it's not KISS |
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Fritigern |
What if i were to insert the condition "if area > 1 then" between lines 32 and 33? https://github.com/Sokomine/markers/blob/master/init.lua#L33 |
| 14:21 |
Fritigern |
Make that if area => 1 then |
| 14:26 |
MinetestBot |
[git] PenguinDad -> minetest/minetest_game: Fix leaking globals in flowers and default mapgen.lua 3bf3249 http://git.io/JLX38g (2014-11-22T00:24:49+10:00) |
| 14:27 |
Fritigern |
And building |
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Fritigern |
Compilation of minetest completed in 0:01:11 |
| 14:29 |
Fritigern |
I was a few xcommits behind, so it took a little longer than usual |
| 14:29 |
Zeno` |
oh yeah |
| 14:29 |
Zeno` |
so slow |
| 14:30 |
Fritigern |
:-) |
| 14:41 |
n4x |
I'll beat you |
| 14:41 |
n4x |
when I get a new heatsink |
| 14:41 |
n4x |
and overclock my FX to 4.7GHz |
| 14:49 |
someguy_irc |
sup Zeno` |
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Doctor |
hi |
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| 14:51 |
shadowzone |
Doctor? |
| 14:51 |
Guest26576 |
hi |
| 14:51 |
shadowzone |
Why are you under my IP? |
| 14:52 |
someguy_irc |
Ooo |
| 14:52 |
Guest26576 |
we share internet |
| 14:52 |
someguy_irc |
o.O |
| 14:52 |
shadowzone |
OH...shoot` |
| 14:52 |
someguy_irc |
your sister? / brother ? |
| 14:52 |
shadowzone |
Flippin' hell! |
| 14:52 |
shadowzone |
It's my brother.. |
| 14:52 |
someguy_irc |
lol |
| 14:52 |
shadowzone |
s**t |
| 14:52 |
someguy_irc |
stop. |
| 14:52 |
someguy_irc |
well. |
| 14:53 |
* someguy_irc |
give's shadowzone a hammer. |
| 14:53 |
Jordach |
meep meep |
| 14:53 |
someguy_irc |
hello Jordach |
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someguy_irc |
hello CWz |
| 14:53 |
Guest26576 |
im having a hard time changing my nickname |
| 14:53 |
someguy_irc |
O_O |
| 14:53 |
Guest26576 |
realy |
| 14:54 |
someguy_irc |
shadowzone, me claps*.. |
| 14:54 |
* someguy_irc |
claps. |
| 14:54 |
shadowzone |
Lol |
| 14:54 |
sfan5 |
wtf |
| 14:54 |
shadowzone |
That was Jordach |
| 14:54 |
shadowzone |
I think.. |
| 14:54 |
someguy_irc |
meep, Jordach |
| 14:54 |
Megaf_ |
shadowzone: how would Jordach have your IP? |
| 14:55 |
shadowzone |
No.. |
| 14:55 |
shadowzone |
It's my brother |
| 14:55 |
shadowzone |
I think he got kicked. |
| 14:55 |
shadowzone |
or somethin'.. |
| 14:55 |
n4x |
kill him |
| 14:55 |
n4x |
IRL |
| 14:55 |
shadowzone |
Lol |
| 14:55 |
Megaf_ |
shadowzone: does he know your nick is shadowzone? |
| 14:55 |
shadowzone |
Should I PAB punch hime to death? |
| 14:55 |
shadowzone |
Yes he does. |
| 14:55 |
n4x |
yes you should |
| 14:55 |
someguy_irc |
O.o lol |
| 14:56 |
Megaf_ |
shadowzone: is it anything wrong in him being here? |
| 14:56 |
shadowzone |
Well he hates swearing.. |
| 14:56 |
Megaf_ |
besides you hatin him |
| 14:56 |
someguy_irc |
^ |
| 14:56 |
shadowzone |
So it might set him off if someone swears. |
| 14:56 |
shadowzone |
So.. |
| 14:56 |
someguy_irc |
lol |
| 14:56 |
someguy_irc |
it's a anti-swear human. |
| 14:56 |
someguy_irc |
nice. |
| 14:56 |
someguy_irc |
good for #minetest :p |
| 14:56 |
shadowzone |
And I don't want my mom to know I hang out on IRC channels where swearing is okay |
| 14:56 |
sfan5 |
ಠ_ಠ|
| 14:57 |
someguy_irc |
O_o |
| 14:57 |
shadowzone |
Otherwise goodbye shadowzone and Minetest |
| 14:57 |
someguy_irc |
it isnt. |
| 14:57 |
shadowzone |
Well there is a lot of it here. |
| 14:57 |
someguy_irc |
and ;kick too. |
| 14:57 |
sfan5 |
oh for fucks sake |
| 14:57 |
Jordach |
fuck ths |
| 14:57 |
someguy_irc |
xD |
| 14:57 |
sfan5 |
the debug build has a crash |
| 14:57 |
* Jordach |
high fives sfan5 |
| 14:57 |
shadowzone |
yeah... |
| 14:57 |
sfan5 |
the release build a different one |
| 14:57 |
someguy_irc |
shadowzone, yeah.. |
| 14:57 |
Megaf_ |
fuck yeah |
| 14:57 |
sfan5 |
and the release_with_debug_info no crash atall |
| 14:57 |
someguy_irc |
afk can't see swearing. |
| 14:57 |
shadowzone |
fuck dis shit I'm gonna go get him on the right server/channel |
| 14:58 |
Megaf_ |
Whats bloody wront with fucking swering? Everyone does that |
| 14:58 |
shadowzone |
I know |
| 14:58 |
Megaf_ |
wrong* |
| 14:58 |
shadowzone |
It's fun |
| 14:58 |
someguy_irc |
shadowzone, VanessaE told me swearing is ok if it dosent go out of topic. |
| 14:58 |
someguy_irc |
Dang. |
| 14:58 |
someguy_irc |
Its not fun. |
| 14:58 |
someguy_irc |
I only swear on chatting sites. |
| 14:58 |
Zeno` |
I don't thing people should fucking swear |
| 14:58 |
Zeno` |
I never swear |
| 14:58 |
someguy_irc |
never on any IRC channel. |
| 14:59 |
someguy_irc |
Zeno`, yeah you don't. |
| 14:59 |
someguy_irc |
O/ |
| 14:59 |
n4x |
Zeno`: the fuck you said about swearing? |
| 14:59 |
Megaf_ |
I dont fucking swear either Zeno` |
| 14:59 |
Zeno` |
lol |
| 14:59 |
someguy_irc |
dude's.... |
| 14:59 |
shadowzone |
I never fucking swear where y'all gettin' dat shit? |
| 14:59 |
someguy_irc |
shadowzone, thats immature slang lang dang. |
| 14:59 |
someguy_irc |
:P |
| 15:00 |
shadowzone |
Yep |
| 15:00 |
shadowzone |
It |
| 15:00 |
shadowzone |
It's fun |
| 15:00 |
n4x |
swearing isn't bad, it is good to tell kids that swearing is bad because if not they would end abusing it, though |
| 15:00 |
shadowzone |
A lot like killing your brother.. |
| 15:00 |
someguy_irc |
shadowzone, get a hammer. |
| 15:00 |
someguy_irc |
stop swearing. |
| 15:00 |
someguy_irc |
kill yo brother. |
| 15:00 |
shadowzone |
YESH! |
| 15:01 |
shadowzone |
IMMA GO GET 'IM! |
| 15:01 |
Megaf_ |
shadowzone: how older or younger than you he is? |
| 15:01 |
shadowzone |
one year |
| 15:01 |
shadowzone |
younger |
| 15:02 |
someguy_irc |
mentally challenged? , no offence i.e. |
| 15:02 |
Megaf_ |
any idea on how he got year? |
| 15:02 |
shadowzone |
Nope |
| 15:02 |
Megaf_ |
s/year/here |
| 15:02 |
Zeno` |
Do you all know why swearing is uncommon here even though it's not prohibited? |
| 15:02 |
someguy_irc |
Zeno`, I don't get a single dang your saying. |
| 15:02 |
Jordach |
because nobody gives a shit? |
| 15:02 |
someguy_irc |
brb maths hw. |
| 15:02 |
Zeno` |
It's because that 99% of the time mature people do not type swear words |
| 15:03 |
Zeno` |
(there is that 1% though) |
| 15:03 |
Zeno` |
It's usually not necessary |
| 15:03 |
someguy_irc |
Zeno`, Jordach etc etc are in the 1% peeps? |
| 15:03 |
* Megaf_ |
is not mature |
| 15:03 |
someguy_irc |
Zeno`, I never sweared in #minetest . |
| 15:03 |
Jordach |
i just get really angry |
| 15:03 |
* Megaf_ |
is a child |
| 15:03 |
Zeno` |
someguy_irc, nah, do you see me swear often? |
| 15:03 |
someguy_irc |
Zeno`, Nope until you are pis'd off |
| 15:03 |
Zeno` |
I've only even done it once on inchranet |
| 15:04 |
someguy_irc |
Ik |
| 15:04 |
Zeno` |
and until now I've never done it on here |
| 15:04 |
someguy_irc |
explaing what ffs is. |
| 15:04 |
someguy_irc |
:P |
| 15:04 |
Megaf_ |
Zeno`: I saw you swearing once |
| 15:04 |
someguy_irc |
rdfm. |
| 15:04 |
Megaf_ |
today |
| 15:04 |
Megaf_ |
a couple of minutes ago |
| 15:04 |
Zeno` |
Megaf_, what did I say? |
| 15:04 |
Zeno` |
lol |
| 15:04 |
Zeno` |
yes, yes I know :) |
| 15:04 |
Megaf_ |
[14:58] <Zeno`> I don't thing people should fucking swear |
| 15:04 |
someguy_irc |
lol |
| 15:04 |
Megaf_ |
s/thing/think |
| 15:05 |
Zeno` |
aha! |
| 15:05 |
Zeno` |
caught me out on a typo |
| 15:05 |
Megaf_ |
a typo and swaring on the same day |
| 15:05 |
Megaf_ |
lol |
| 15:05 |
Zeno` |
It's a terrible day :( |
| 15:05 |
someguy_irc |
Typo week. |
| 15:06 |
Zeno` |
Shall we all have a group hug? |
| 15:06 |
Megaf_ |
Im on it |
| 15:06 |
someguy_irc |
bless you Adobe flash... |
| 15:06 |
Zeno` |
lol |
| 15:06 |
someguy_irc |
go to dang hell :) |
| 15:06 |
kilbith |
althought lots of ppl are like Ned Flanders, thats why they dont like swear |
| 15:06 |
someguy_irc |
GAH NOT freaking updating. |
| 15:06 |
Megaf_ |
is "bloody" considered swearing? |
| 15:07 |
Zeno` |
kilbith, my point was that it's rare to hear swearing here even though it's not directly prohibited |
| 15:07 |
someguy_irc |
Megaf_, bluddy no. |
| 15:07 |
Zeno` |
I think that's a testament to the people on this channel |
| 15:07 |
kilbith |
Zeno`: agreed. |
| 15:07 |
Megaf_ |
what about feck, heck and for fecks sake? |
| 15:08 |
someguy_irc |
heck ok. |
| 15:08 |
someguy_irc |
Else idfk |
| 15:08 |
Megaf_ |
lol |
| 15:10 |
* VanessaE |
peeks in and throws a few random swears into the channel |
| 15:11 |
VanessaE |
mature people curse plenty. sometimes a few choice, four-letter words are the only words that will fit. |
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Megaf_ |
VanessaE: smooth |
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Zeno` |
but they don't do it constantly |
| 15:15 |
Zeno` |
I save them up for extraordinary occasions... they work better that way :D |
| 15:16 |
VanessaE |
Zeno`: my husband goes a few steps further and expands into multiple languages :) |
| 15:16 |
VanessaE |
(polish, yiddish, russian) |
| 15:16 |
Zeno` |
lol |
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| 15:17 |
Zeno` |
sfan5... |
| 15:17 |
sfan5 |
hm? |
| 15:17 |
Zeno` |
that bug report, is it using HEAD? |
| 15:17 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 15:18 |
Zeno` |
happens every time? |
| 15:18 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 15:18 |
Zeno` |
not good |
| 15:18 |
sfan5 |
indeed |
| 15:18 |
Zeno` |
what mapgen params? |
| 15:19 |
sfan5 |
http://sprunge.us/OCYC |
| 15:19 |
sfan5 |
this happens with every v6 work |
| 15:20 |
sfan5 |
(note: I didn't test that claim extensively, I decuced it from the backtrace and from the fact that it doesn't happen on my mg world) |
| 15:21 |
Zeno` |
building |
| 15:21 |
sfan5 |
oh and I'm using clang |
| 15:21 |
Zeno` |
I'll test with gcc then :) |
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Zeno` |
rebuilding with clang |
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someguy_irc |
AH back. |
| 15:31 |
someguy_irc |
Maths. |
| 15:31 |
someguy_irc |
I hate it. |
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Leoneof |
math! |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
hello |
| 16:08 |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
what is the best NPCs+Mobs MOD in minetest or whats the best combination? and which works best with firearms? and how to get crossbow? |
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| 16:10 |
VanessaE |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx: the mobs mod from Carbone |
| 16:10 |
VanessaE |
or sapier's MOBF |
| 16:10 |
VanessaE |
but as for firearms/crossbox, idk about those |
| 16:10 |
VanessaE |
those are separate mods |
| 16:11 |
VanessaE |
any weapon should work with just about any MOB mod. |
| 16:11 |
VanessaE |
crossbow* |
| 16:11 |
Calinou |
throwing mod has them |
| 16:11 |
kilbith |
minetest is not a FPS, btw |
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btoothpick |
I'm only seeing a brown character using the sdzen's/PilzAdam's player_textures mod instead of the png placed in the specific path. Can pngs be added while server is running? |
| 16:14 |
VanessaE |
btoothpick: no |
| 16:14 |
VanessaE |
you gotta restart the server to add a new texture |
| 16:14 |
VanessaE |
otherwise it gets loaded as a "dummy" (the color will change on subsequent client connects) |
| 16:17 |
Calinou |
random colour is used |
| 16:18 |
Calinou |
(I'd rather see random-colour-within-acceptable-limits texture…) |
| 16:18 |
Calinou |
sometimes the random colour is confusing |
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VanessaE |
on some clients, the color flickers rapidly :) |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
how do I install the throwing mod? |
| 16:45 |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
I renamed it to throwing and put into the mod directory |
| 16:45 |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
but no effect |
| 16:45 |
VanessaE |
just copy the mod into <minetest>/mods and then enable it in the menyu |
| 16:45 |
VanessaE |
menu* |
| 16:45 |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
I enabled |
| 16:46 |
VanessaE |
check your debug.txt and make sure there aren't any errors such as missing dependencies |
| 16:46 |
VanessaE |
also make sure you enabled it for your world (click the world, click "Configure", click the mod in the list, set the [ ] Enable checkbox at the top, click "save") |
| 16:47 |
btoothpick |
Thanks VanessaE, that explains why it was brown. |
| 16:48 |
btoothpick |
I just did a restart of the server and will test the texture now. |
| 16:49 |
btoothpick |
Cool! |
| 16:49 |
btoothpick |
Thanks. |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
still not working |
| 16:52 |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
maybe the one I downloaded is bad. do you have a better link for me? |
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VanessaE |
this one, maybe? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2805 |
| 16:55 |
VanessaE |
and this, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4562 |
| 16:55 |
VanessaE |
(for the firearms mod) |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
Failed to load and run /home/lel/Downloads/minetest-master/bin/../games/famish/mods/mobf/init.lua |
| 17:16 |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
what does that mean? |
| 17:17 |
btoothpick |
To backup the map I have to turn off the server, is that accurate? |
| 17:17 |
btoothpick |
Had my first griefing today. |
| 17:20 |
VanessaE |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx: mobf depends on a couple of other mods |
| 17:20 |
VanessaE |
you probably didn't install its dependencies |
| 17:21 |
Krock |
hi |
| 17:22 |
btoothpick |
If anyone would like, please point me to area protection. I have a static spawn point, and I want to protect the immediate area. |
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| 17:25 |
blaise |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7239 |
| 17:25 |
blaise |
btoothpick: I highly suggest using git |
| 17:25 |
blaise |
makes things much more simple to update the mod |
| 17:26 |
blaise |
or any mod for that matter |
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| 17:31 |
Megaf_ |
Im cold, its 11 C, quite good, but it feels like 4 C |
| 17:31 |
Megaf_ |
http://www.accuweather.com/en/ie/dublin/207931/weather-forecast/207931 |
| 17:32 |
Megaf_ |
hopefuly tomorrow will be better |
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| 17:37 |
paxcoder |
hello. I complained about the minetest binary crashing on Debian a few months ago. I've come to complain about the same thing again. |
| 17:37 |
paxcoder |
I get: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'LuaError' / what(): C++ exception / Aborted |
| 17:37 |
marktraceur |
Ugh, complain complain, that's all Debian users ever do. :P |
| 17:37 |
* marktraceur |
is joking and hopes paxcoder can find halp |
| 17:37 |
marktraceur |
paxcoder: Did you file a bug? |
| 17:37 |
paxcoder |
thanks |
| 17:38 |
marktraceur |
paxcoder: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues |
| 17:38 |
paxcoder |
hmmm i don't remember which probably means no |
| 17:38 |
VanessaE |
marktraceur: it could be worse. |
| 17:38 |
VanessaE |
marktraceur: he could have brought systemd into it ;) |
| 17:39 |
* marktraceur |
puts his hand over VanessaE's mouth |
| 17:39 |
marktraceur |
Nothing to see here |
| 17:39 |
paxcoder |
nah, I'm the kind of guy who would go deeper. Beyond even Linux. I'd call POSIX/Unix the problem. |
| 17:39 |
VanessaE |
paxcoder: if you're using minetest from an official debian repo rather than the Minetest dailies PPA or building your own, you'll be hard-pressed to get support for such reports, however that kind of crash is not an engine bug - it's a mod bug. |
| 17:39 |
Calinou |
hi marktraceur |
| 17:39 |
VanessaE |
marktraceur: haha |
| 17:39 |
marktraceur |
Hi Calinou |
| 17:39 |
Calinou |
paxcoder, if the issue is not reproducible outside of Debian, you can also report to bugs.debian.org |
| 17:40 |
paxcoder |
VanessaE, hmm. You can tell from just that one message? Are you sure? It always happens when I try to get the public list of servers |
| 17:40 |
VanessaE |
paxcoder: 100% sure. |
| 17:40 |
VanessaE |
"LuaError" is the giveaway |
| 17:40 |
paxcoder |
What do mods have to do with my retrieving that list? |
| 17:40 |
VanessaE |
this indicates a mod error or some problem with other Lua code |
| 17:40 |
VanessaE |
which is outside of the engine code |
| 17:40 |
paxcoder |
so no need to install minetest-dbg? |
| 17:41 |
Calinou |
do you use any mods? |
| 17:41 |
Calinou |
start a game with minimal subgame |
| 17:41 |
paxcoder |
I might have some, it's been a while. |
| 17:41 |
paxcoder |
Calinou, I think everything works locally. I just can't get the public list |
| 17:41 |
VanessaE |
paxcoder: you need to fetch minetest from git and compile it. |
| 17:41 |
paxcoder |
VanessaE, nah |
| 17:41 |
VanessaE |
yeah. |
| 17:42 |
VanessaE |
it's easy to compile, you'll have it done in 10 minutes. |
| 17:42 |
VanessaE |
or you can pull a .deb from the ubuntu daily-builds PPA |
| 17:42 |
paxcoder |
lemme su to see if it crashes for the other user (presumably without mods) too |
| 17:42 |
VanessaE |
should work fine in debian |
| 17:43 |
paxcoder |
wait, where are mods situated? |
| 17:43 |
Calinou |
~/.minetest/mods |
| 17:43 |
Calinou |
on non-run-in-place builds |
| 17:44 |
paxcoder |
I have no such dir |
| 17:44 |
btoothpick |
Tried to load a schem with worldedit and it crashed my server |
| 17:44 |
paxcoder |
I mean the subdir |
| 17:45 |
Calinou |
create it then |
| 17:45 |
paxcoder |
there's a /usr/share/games/minetest/games/minetest_game/mods though |
| 17:46 |
paxcoder |
trying to rm |
| 17:46 |
paxcoder |
*mv |
| 17:46 |
paxcoder |
crashed |
| 17:47 |
VanessaE |
paxcoder: I told you, get rid of the version you're using and compile it from git or try the .deb from the ubuntu PPA |
| 17:47 |
VanessaE |
if the menu code, which is written in Lua, is busted, it's busted and you'll need an update to fix it |
| 17:48 |
VanessaE |
updates only come through those channels unless a debian maintainer has a newer package |
| 17:48 |
paxcoder |
I don't want to. |
| 17:48 |
paxcoder |
Sorry, but no. |
| 17:49 |
VanessaE |
then you won't get a fix. |
| 17:49 |
paxcoder |
debian version is 0.4.10+repack-1, how old is that? |
| 17:49 |
VanessaE |
very old. |
| 17:49 |
VanessaE |
like, July old. |
| 17:50 |
paxcoder |
good thing we have the packaged -_- |
| 17:50 |
VanessaE |
at least, 0.4.10 was released on July 6 |
| 17:50 |
VanessaE |
in Minetest terms, that's old as shit :) |
| 17:50 |
Calinou |
:o |
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| 17:51 |
Yellowberry |
Calinou: I am aware, thanks |
| 17:51 |
* ElectronLibre |
try to remember when was Yellowberry banned. It's been a long time. |
| 17:51 |
VanessaE |
paxcoder: minetest-dbg_0.4.10+repack-1_amd64.deb 15-Jul-2014 22:45 34719798 |
| 17:52 |
VanessaE |
so yeah, old. |
| 17:52 |
VanessaE |
wait, wrong one |
| 17:52 |
Calinou |
hi Yellowberry :) |
| 17:52 |
paxcoder |
VanessaE, where do you get that info? |
| 17:52 |
VanessaE |
minetest_0.4.10+repack-1_amd64.deb 15-Jul-2014 22:45 1894912 |
| 17:52 |
paxcoder |
is it just ls -l of what apt-get source does? |
| 17:52 |
btoothpick |
This is the error I received when trying to load a .we ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ...\dreambuilder\ |
| 17:52 |
VanessaE |
from the debian mirror FTP side pakcage list: |
| 17:52 |
btoothpick |
mods\worldedit\worldedit/serialization.lua:148: attempt to perform arithmetic on |
| 17:52 |
btoothpick |
global 'originx' (a nil value) |
| 17:52 |
sfan5 |
ElectronLibre: less than 30 days ago |
| 17:52 |
VanessaE |
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/minetest/ |
| 17:53 |
Yellowberry |
ElectronLibre: yep |
| 17:53 |
paxcoder |
that's ridiculous |
| 17:53 |
Yellowberry |
do you remember why? |
| 17:53 |
paxcoder |
alright, where's the ubuntu's .deb i'm still tired of compiling minetest myself? |
| 17:53 |
Yellowberry |
because I abused MinetestBot, never abuse MinetestBot... |
| 17:53 |
VanessaE |
paxcoder: https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds |
| 17:53 |
ElectronLibre |
Oh, I see.. |
| 17:54 |
paxcoder |
VanessaE, thanks |
| 17:54 |
Yellowberry |
paxcoder: it should be on launchpad |
| 17:54 |
Yellowberry |
afaik |
| 17:54 |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
the mobs mod from PilzAdam doesnt work anymore |
| 17:54 |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
no error output but just no mobs |
| 17:54 |
Yellowberry |
in other news, I now use Arch Linux as my primary OS |
| 17:54 |
paxcoder |
VanessaE, is that multi-target (or whatever that's called)? Because I have 64 bits |
| 17:54 |
VanessaE |
paxcoder: I'll leave it to you to dig the actual deb out of there, I always have some trouble finding the link to a package from a launchpad page |
| 17:55 |
paxcoder |
eh. |
| 17:55 |
VanessaE |
paxcoder: should be |
| 17:55 |
VanessaE |
https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds/+files/minetest_201411211546-0~3091~ubuntu14.04.1_amd64.deb |
| 17:55 |
VanessaE |
that might be the one you want |
| 17:56 |
Yellowberry |
lucky me! |
| 17:56 |
paxcoder |
Thanks, lady |
| 17:56 |
Yellowberry |
i don't have to worry about that stuff because all I need to do is run "pacaur -S minetest-git"! |
| 17:56 |
VanessaE |
good luck |
| 17:56 |
Yellowberry |
yay! |
| 17:58 |
VanessaE |
paxcoder: really though, you should just use git to manage your Minetest sources, and have a little script standing by to update it and build. |
| 17:58 |
VanessaE |
it only takes like 10 minutes on a somewhat slow bit |
| 17:58 |
VanessaE |
box* |
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paxcoder |
It takes a lot more on my machine |
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Calinou |
even with -j2 or -j4? |
| 17:59 |
paxcoder |
perhaps your "slow machine" has many a core |
| 17:59 |
stakewinner00|2 |
Yellowberry: if you are new in Arch Linux probably your packages will broken in the upgrade :D (it happens to me in the past...) |
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paxcoder |
Calinou, if anyone ever suggested this to me before (I have only short term memory) then yes |
| 17:59 |
sfan5 |
stakewinner00|2: if your arch install breaks when you update you forgot reading the news and output of pacman |
| 17:59 |
Yellowberry |
stakewinner00|2: it works, for now |
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stakewinner00|2 |
sfan5: I never used Arch for more than 1 week xD |
| 18:01 |
Calinou |
I never installed Arch |
| 18:01 |
VanessaE |
paxcoder: my machine has six 2.8 GHz cores and only takes ~3 minutes to build, so "slow" should be closer to 20 with 1 core. |
| 18:01 |
Calinou |
about 4 minutes here |
| 18:01 |
paxcoder |
After install I seem to be missing /usr/games/minetest |
| 18:02 |
paxcoder |
VanessaE, trust me it takes a long time, I've compiled it numerous times |
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ElectronLibre |
paxcoder, it doesn't seems to be a non-run-in-place build you use. |
| 18:02 |
VanessaE |
paxcoder: as have I, probably more times than you have :P |
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paxcoder |
ElectronLibre, installed from the .deb given above |
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Krock |
VanessaE, 10 mins here with 1 core |
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Krock |
the old Cleron D was actualy weak and hals as fast then this one |
| 18:03 |
Krock |
*half as fast |
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paxcoder |
VanessaE, with a kickass PC |
| 18:04 |
VanessaE |
2.8 GHz * 6 isn't really kickass |
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Calinou |
did you use “sudo make install� |
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Calinou |
it is not required to run Minetest |
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paxcoder |
Calinou, sorry? |
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paxcoder |
VanessaE, I'm positive it's slow. |
| 18:05 |
paxcoder |
And that does seem like a kickass PC to me |
| 18:05 |
paxcoder |
well in comparison anyway |
| 18:05 |
paxcoder |
I don't know what's going on |
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paxcoder |
Except me talking to myself |
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paxcoder |
MinetestBot, ping |
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marktraceur |
!ping |
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paxcoder |
marktraceur, I don't think we're connected ;-) |
| 18:07 |
marktraceur |
Nope, just you'n'me |
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marktraceur |
So romantic. |
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* Jordach |
meows at Sokomine |
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Jordach |
there's a certain VM world that's started |
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Megaf_ |
is Sokomine here? |
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Megaf_ |
Hi there |
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paxcoder |
Sudden demand for Sokomine. Someting's going on here. I'll have some Sokomine too just in case. |
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* Megaf_ |
is too lazy to scroll up to read the backlog |
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* Megaf_ |
too busy organizing his home and compiling two minetest at the same time |
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paxcoder |
Debian sid package crashes the same way. It's from November 14 |
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paxcoder |
-rw-r--r-- 1 3000 3000 1907242 Nov 14 10:46 minetest_0.4.10+repack-2_amd64.deb |
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paxcoder |
Why didn't mv mods meds help? |
| 18:17 |
Jordach |
!up jordach.minetest.net |
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MinetestBot |
jordach.minetest.net:30000 is up (71ms) |
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Jordach |
purr :3 |
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paxcoder |
Jordach, Why is this happening to me: 19:20:41: ERROR[CurlFetchThread]: http://minetest.digitalaudioconcepts.com/bfdmedia/address = 0.0.0.0xfences_space.png not found (HTTP response code said error) (response code 404) |
| 18:21 |
btoothpick |
Other features of world edit are working, maybe my we file is corrupt. |
| 18:21 |
sfan5 |
paxcoder: becuase jordach broke his config |
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paxcoder |
can someone give me a server ,~, |
| 18:22 |
Jordach |
oh |
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Jordach |
i see |
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paxcoder |
Jordach, may I ask is the fix going to be soon? |
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paxcoder |
also must I be registered? |
| 18:23 |
Jordach |
paxcoder, MT decided to install a random newline |
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paxcoder |
Jordach, qué? |
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Jordach |
for some reason MT deletes newlines at random |
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Jordach |
inserting a new one fixes it |
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paxcoder |
aaaalrighty then |
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paxcoder |
that sounds like a nice parser []_[] |
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* PenguinDad |
meows at paxcoder |
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paxcoder |
PenguinDad, I'm sorry, I've been away, I'm not familiar with this meme. Is it pinging? Consider this a pong. |
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sfan5 |
paxcoder: no, it's being a cat |
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* sfan5 |
curls up to paxcoder's lap |
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paxcoder |
I don't like cats. That is, I have the same relationship with cats, as they do with humans, except neither one of them feeds me. |
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kilbith |
/query VanessaE |
| 18:29 |
Jordach |
nload |
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Jordach |
derp |
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btoothpick |
The command //allocate file.we also crashed the server |
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Yellowberry |
I think I need a therapist, I have this video on loop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byGwAJH1JLM (Much Warn, Such NSFW) |
| 18:35 |
Calinou |
don't post NSFW links here |
| 18:35 |
Yellowberry |
fine |
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Yellowberry |
confound these ponies |
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Yellowberry |
gtg |
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Yellowberry |
nevermind |
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Yellowberry |
heh |
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PenguinDad |
Oh well, whatever, nevermind *sings* |
| 18:39 |
blaise |
only thought you had to go? |
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Calinou |
/)(^ε^)(\ |
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Yellowberry |
blaise: yeah |
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Yellowberry |
but then it turns out that my father isn't home, so I can't go yet |
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Yellowberry |
XD |
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Jordach |
#rekt |
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rubenwardy |
Oh, no. |
| 18:54 |
blaise |
isht da fascha? |
| 18:55 |
rubenwardy |
The #rekt virus has spread. |
| 18:55 |
rubenwardy |
DEPLOY THE LIFEBOATS |
| 18:56 |
blaise |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exCYSfQod14 |
| 18:57 |
PenguinDad |
This is about the most stupid shit I've ever seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjhW0_CnnEk |
| 18:58 |
Calinou |
Tesserekt |
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Calinou |
<Calinou> http://forum.owncloud.org/viewtopic.php?t=24933&p=73760#p73760 |
| 18:59 |
Calinou |
<Calinou> FUCKING FINALLY |
| 18:59 |
Calinou |
I visited the owncloud site randomly, and found this |
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PenguinDad |
rubenwardy: you can't stop it :> |
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blaise |
lol |
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CraigyDavi |
!up 81.151.34.108 |
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MinetestBot |
81.151.34.108:30000 is up (13ms) |
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CraigyDavi |
woop woop |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
the mobs are not working properly here |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
who can help me? :( |
| 19:29 |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
only some sandmonsters spawned( about 6) and nohting else then all the time |
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kaeza |
evenings |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
what can I do? |
| 19:31 |
VanessaE |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx: did you install the dependencies like I told you to? |
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btoothpick |
I'm unable to load schems with worldedit. |
| 19:31 |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
there are no unfullfilled dependencies |
| 19:31 |
VanessaE |
btoothpick: maybe the schematic is too big for the amount of memory you have? |
| 19:32 |
VanessaE |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx: pastebin the last 20 or so lines of your debug.txt please |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
hi kaeza, how can i use the weapons in your firearms mod? |
| 19:32 |
btoothpick |
doubt it is that |
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kaeza |
what do you mean with "how can I use", exactly? |
| 19:33 |
VanessaE |
evening, kaeza :) |
| 19:33 |
btoothpick |
Here is the error: http://pastebin.com/rTSAU6gT |
| 19:33 |
VanessaE |
btoothpick: ok, in that case I'm wrong :) |
| 19:33 |
kaeza |
o/ V |
| 19:33 |
VanessaE |
better poke at the worldedit team for a fix, I'll pull it into dreambuilder asap |
| 19:34 |
btoothpick |
No worries. |
| 19:34 |
btoothpick |
I just wish I could wipe the current server and make it linux. |
| 19:38 |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
VanessaE http://pastebin.com/0XxEygGK |
| 19:38 |
VanessaE |
btoothpick: hm, no current commits from worldedit that should have broken your ability to load a map.. better raise an issue |
| 19:38 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit/issues/new |
| 19:38 |
btoothpick |
Thanks VanessaE |
| 19:39 |
VanessaE |
s/load a map/load a schematic/ |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
however I dont understand, and I dont see any error output about "mobs" just not working completely |
| 19:39 |
VanessaE |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx: I see nothing wrong there. |
| 19:39 |
VanessaE |
no |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
only sandmonsters spawning and not each time |
| 19:39 |
VanessaE |
those missing files, |
| 19:40 |
VanessaE |
did you really extract the whole of MOBF? |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
not mobf, mobs from pilz adam |
| 19:40 |
VanessaE |
oh ok |
| 19:40 |
VanessaE |
well even then, if it can't open those files, your copy of the mod is broken somehow |
| 19:41 |
VanessaE |
but, don't use pilzadam's version - use Calinou's version from Carbone. |
| 19:42 |
VanessaE |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9656 |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
VanessaE now when using calinou's I get this error http://pastebin.com/8XLV4LpR |
| 19:45 |
twoelk |
btoothpick: trying to load certain schematics on a windows machine seems problematic. Krock and me had problems with some files from Sokomines |
| 19:45 |
twoelk |
it was a windows only issue |
| 19:45 |
Krock |
^ use io.open(file, "b") to get around that |
| 19:46 |
VanessaE |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx: rename it to carbone_mobs |
| 19:46 |
Calinou |
the mod topic says so ;) |
| 19:46 |
VanessaE |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx: you changed the name of the mod to mobs, but it's not supposed to be |
| 19:51 |
btoothpick |
A few people on the server now, so I'll wait until later to try any modifications. |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
Calinou, it doesnt work, what do I have to do? |
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Calinou |
you renamed to carbone_mobs, yet it doesn't work? |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
yes |
| 19:53 |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
no explicit error output, but just no mobs |
| 19:54 |
Calinou |
there are no mobs in creative mode |
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Calinou |
also, monsters spawn below sea level, on stone, in fully dark places |
| 19:54 |
Calinou |
(height 0) |
| 19:55 |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
but what about tree monsters? |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
ok, I see sheeps |
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Calinou |
tree monsters are also underground |
| 19:58 |
Calinou |
you don't meet monsters outside at night |
| 19:58 |
Calinou |
(maybe rarely, if they get out of a cave; they die at day) |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
ah ok |
| 19:58 |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
thanks :) |
| 19:58 |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
so next point |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
npc mod doenst work |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
peaceful_npc doesnt work |
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btoothpick |
twoelk: Maybe I should make a virtual machine and try to run it in there. |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
and npcf doent work either. what can I do? |
| 20:07 |
kaeza |
define "doesn't work" |
| 20:08 |
btoothpick |
VanessaE: The lava is a bit too destructive. |
| 20:08 |
VanessaE |
btoothpick: well, lava tends to do that :P |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
absolutely no NPCs are spawning |
| 20:08 |
btoothpick |
Someone put it in the spawn area. |
| 20:09 |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
I have both npcf and friendly_npcs enabled |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
I meant "peaceful_npc" |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
so who will help me? :'( |
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kaeza |
him ^ |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
ok, obviously I need skins and instabuild for npcf, where do I get it? |
| 20:16 |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
and plants_lib |
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VanessaE |
plants_lib is in the plantlife modpack, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3898 |
| 20:17 |
VanessaE |
instabuild, is probably this, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6221 |
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VanessaE |
skins could be anything, idk, there are many skins mods |
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VanessaE |
doesn't the forum topic for the mod you're using tell you what mods it needs? |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
how is there a way to compile mods? |
| 20:31 |
twoelk |
mods are scripted in lua, no need to compile |
| 20:31 |
VanessaE |
use LuaJIT as your backend |
| 20:32 |
VanessaE |
(just install luajit-dev or whatevr your distro calls it and recompile minetest)( |
| 20:33 |
VanessaE |
it will auto-compile mods when minetest loads them, making them anywhere from 3x to 10x faster |
| 20:41 |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
Kaeza what do I have to click to shoot with firearms, and how to put bullet in the gun? |
| 20:41 |
kaeza |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4562 |
| 20:42 |
kaeza |
Frequently Asked Questions: | Q: How do I reload? | A: Shift + Click |
| 20:44 |
MinetestBot |
[git] jeija mesecons.net -> Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fix #184, Fix #186, Fix #187 dcf1f79 http://git.io/FKktAw (2014-11-21T21:43:28+01:00) |
| 20:45 |
kaeza |
woo jeija is alive |
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* VanessaE |
updates dreambuilder... ;) |
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n4x |
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2849795/purism-librem-15-linux-laptop-blends-high-end-hardware-with-totally-free-software.html this is so BS |
| 20:48 |
PenguinDad |
zomfg Jeija |
| 20:48 |
VanessaE |
there. |
| 20:49 |
kaeza |
where? |
| 20:49 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: there --> https://github.com/VanessaE/dreambuilder_game/commit/9090eb1386a083119814f23d65e1ed4f951d2116 |
| 20:49 |
VanessaE |
:D |
| 20:49 |
VanessaE |
n4x: what's BS about it? |
| 20:50 |
Krock |
.. |
| 20:50 |
Krock |
BS is the factor of player positions |
| 20:50 |
n4x |
VanessaE: "opensource software over closed source firmware" |
| 20:50 |
Krock |
10.0 to be exact |
| 20:50 |
VanessaE |
n4x: ah, didn't see that. so basically an ordinary laptop then. |
| 20:51 |
PenguinDad |
It's block size :D |
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kaeza |
will it respect my freedom to install proprietary software? |
| 20:53 |
n4x |
they basically sell an overpriced normal laptop with a pre-installed distro |
| 20:54 |
VanessaE |
n4x: now, if they had pre-installed coreboot, that might change things a bit |
| 20:54 |
n4x |
yeah |
| 20:54 |
n4x |
that would be neat |
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hawk666 |
hello |
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hawk666 |
any good builders here ? |
| 21:07 |
MinetestBot |
[git] jeijamesecons.net -> Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fix #182, bug when placing wire crossings next to a powered source 1b9f1b8 http://git.io/CllBSg (2014-11-21T22:05:35+01:00) |
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Yellowberry |
hawk666, I am a decent builder, why do you ask? |
| 21:08 |
MinetestBot |
[git] jeijamesecons.net -> Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fix #183, noteblock now uses default drawtype 87bfbb4 http://git.io/FfdTPQ (2014-11-21T22:07:21+01:00) |
| 21:09 |
hawk666 |
I am looking for builders to help build a new breed of server on mintest |
| 21:09 |
Yellowberry |
go on... |
| 21:09 |
hawk666 |
167.114.71.42 |
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hawk666 |
that is my IP it's a city role play server soon to be |
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VanessaE |
dammit Jeija, I just updated! :) |
| 21:10 |
Krock |
VanessaE, be happy about the updates! |
| 21:10 |
Yellowberry |
hawk666, default port? |
| 21:10 |
VanessaE |
hawk666: there are plenty of good builders but it would help to specify what you're looking for :) |
| 21:11 |
hawk666 |
I am looking for modern style builders as building a city for a role play |
| 21:11 |
hawk666 |
t |
| 21:11 |
hawk666 |
default port |
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Yellowberry |
Krock, it appears I am on one of your servers or something |
| 21:12 |
Krock |
Yellowberry, possible. |
| 21:13 |
Yellowberry |
I joined a server called because lol or something |
| 21:13 |
hawk666 |
umm under my IP ? |
| 21:15 |
Yellowberry |
hawk666: no, on another server |
| 21:15 |
Yellowberry |
I will be on yours shortly |
| 21:15 |
hawk666 |
ahh ok |
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twoelk |
hawk666 quite some media to download |
| 21:21 |
gravgun |
Are all the media files transferred one-by one to clients? |
| 21:21 |
gravgun |
Or are they compressed/packed in any way? |
| 21:22 |
VanessaE |
gravgun: they're batched together but not compressed |
| 21:22 |
VanessaE |
and if the client and server support it, http is used. |
| 21:22 |
VanessaE |
(nearly all clients support it, and many servers do) |
| 21:23 |
ventrillov |
How to install landrush mod into minetest_game? Should I only move landrush_master directory to the mods dir? |
| 21:23 |
PenguinDad |
I always disable the usage of the remote media server in my client because the udp way is faster for me |
| 21:23 |
VanessaE |
ventrillov: rename it to "landrush" |
| 21:23 |
VanessaE |
put it in mods |
| 21:23 |
ventrillov |
Thanks :) |
| 21:23 |
VanessaE |
enable it in the world you want to play with it in |
| 21:24 |
ventrillov |
Where to enable it? In which file? |
| 21:24 |
gravgun |
VanessaE: a dirty but effective idea I had would be to make atlas textures + split maps; so that the amount of textures is reduced (no PNG header everytime); server would cache those atlases to avoid unnecessary work |
| 21:25 |
VanessaE |
gravgun: not sure that would really save anything |
| 21:26 |
VanessaE |
ventrillov: in the menu, click the world you want to play in, click "Configure" |
| 21:26 |
VanessaE |
click the mod in the list, tick "[ ] Enabled" at the top |
| 21:26 |
VanessaE |
click "Save" |
| 21:26 |
ventrillov |
I'm running linux server from console. |
| 21:26 |
ventrillov |
And I want this mod on server. |
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hawk666 |
anyone else good at building ? and role play |
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VanessaE |
in that case, from a server, just put the mod into <minetest folder>/worlds/<your world>/worldmods |
| 21:26 |
VanessaE |
it'll be activated by default then |
| 21:26 |
VanessaE |
(saves you from having to muck about with world.mt) |
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ventrillov |
Thank you very much :) |
| 21:27 |
VanessaE |
so e.g. <minetest>/worlds/Survival/worldmods/landrush |
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VanessaE |
yw |
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Yellowberry |
I am joining hawk666 |
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ventrillov |
One more question, when I join my server, the map isn't loading. About minute later, sometimes faster, the chunks are slowly loaded. Can my server load it faster? |
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ventrillov |
Can someone answer me? |
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VanessaE |
ventrillov: try adding max_packets_per_iteration = 4096 to your server's .conf |
| 21:38 |
VanessaE |
turn that number up higher if you want to |
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VanessaE |
max_simultaneous_block_sends_server_total = 500 |
| 21:38 |
VanessaE |
also this |
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VanessaE |
some folks say this one can go into the tens of thousands range |
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ventrillov |
Ok, I'll try this. |
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VanessaE |
depending on your network's capabilities |
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OldCoder |
VanessaE, see you; response is in the staff channel |
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ventrillov |
How can I easily modify all players permissions without writting it manually i auth.txt file? |
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hawk666 |
167.114.71.42:30000 looking a builders to help build a city for role play |
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ventrillov |
How can I easily add permission to all players without writting it manually in the auth.txt file? |
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pitriss |
sed? |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
is there any mod with shooting opponents, like the skeletons in Minecraft? |
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Zephlon |
ventrillov, you could try using find and replace in a text editor like notepad++ |
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ventrillov |
Can I do this on linux? I'm using Ubuntu + KDE. |
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Zephlon |
yes, there is gedit which also has find and replace |
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Zephlon |
if they all have the same set of privileges, then it's easy |
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ventrillov |
Okey. Thank you :) |
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Zephlon |
np |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
lol what do I do if I get stucked in minetest? |
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Fritigern |
VanessaE: Last night i was going to tell you about this typo in coloredwoods, but then i thought "you know, let's check git first" and sure enough, it was already fixed. You ninja you! :-) |
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RavonTUS_ |
Greetings |
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RavonTUS_ |
I am trying to run three MT 4.10 servers on one VirtualBox, running in ubuntu. The first two on diff ports work ok, but the three refuses to bind. Any ideas or suggestions? |
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kaeza |
RavonTUS_, are you sure you're not using the same port as other one accidentally? |
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kaeza |
how do you start the servers, exactly? |
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jessiebessie |
hey |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
how can I remove unknown blocks similarly to /clearobjects? |
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kaeza |
!g minetest clean mod |
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MinetestBot |
kaeza: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=509 |
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kaeza |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx, ^ |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
^? |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
ah ok |
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xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx |
thanks :) |
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kaeza |
is '↑' better? :) |
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kaeza |
xX_Arch-Lugal_Xx, actually, this one: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2777 |
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kaeza |
MinetestBot, go home, you're drunk |
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freelikegnu |
Megaf_: did you get my message about your more_blocks crashing? |
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Fritigern |
I just tried to help someone in another room who wanted to add a new server to Quassel. Seriously, this is something that should take 20 seconds, i have been at it with him for A WHOLE HOUR and he STILL manages to doo everything wrong!!!! |
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Fritigern |
I wrote him step by step instructions, and stil he manages to end up somewhere he only could have gotten to if he completely freaking ignored me! |
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freelikegnu |
send him a bill for additional support |
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freelikegnu |
then he might read your instructions |
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Fritigern |
And to top it all off, he writes lik "Quassel it 4 of them" |
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freelikegnu |
cn haz mientes svr PZL!!!1111one |
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Fritigern |
The guy was born and raised in the New Jersey, but can't even write English! |
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freelikegnu |
ok that does not really surprise me |
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rickmcfarley |
lol NJ |
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Fritigern |
I'm not surprized either, but it pisses me off so bad! |
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freelikegnu |
new jersey is just not as good as old jersey |
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Fritigern |
English is my second language and i STILL get to teach native english speakers how to "write English good" |
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freelikegnu |
why did they change the formula |
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Fritigern |
I am so angry right now, and just have to let off steam. I know that dumbass isn't in this room, so it's safe. |
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Fritigern |
And yes, i said dumbass. Because this line is why i tried to help him: "i need the flash for irc" |
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freelikegnu |
not like there is a public log of the channel on the web... |
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freelikegnu |
oh wait |
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Fritigern |
Like he would even know how to open a web page |
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VanessaE |
do what? |
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* VanessaE |
looks at Fritigern |
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VanessaE |
oh. |
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VanessaE |
(scrolled back and looked) |
| 23:52 |
VanessaE |
Fritigern: go read http://notalwaysright.com/ some time :) |
| 23:53 |
VanessaE |
you'll feel better or you'll have a stroke at all the utterly dumbshit people out there :) |
| 23:53 |
Fritigern |
This is one of the most infuriating help sessions that i have ever conducted. And he is also the first one that i have ever put on my ignore list EVER! |
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jessiebessie |
hey Vanessa! it's been awhile |
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VanessaE |
hi jessiebessie |
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jessiebessie |
😄 |
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Fritigern |
VanessaE: Is that site anything like http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/ ? |
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jessiebessie |
what are you up o? |
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jessiebessie |
to*** |
| 23:54 |
VanessaE |
jessiebessie: not too much here |
| 23:55 |
VanessaE |
Fritigern: it's about customers who are just utterly stupid, where "the customer is always right" most definitely does NOT apply |
| 23:55 |
VanessaE |
*clicks on a random item in rinkworks* |
| 23:55 |
VanessaE |
yeah, about like this, just less geeky. |
| 23:56 |
VanessaE |
and more verbose |
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Fritigern |
Hehehe, you wil love it! |
| 23:56 |
Fritigern |
From Rinkworks : "Friend: "Does Windows 98 support Linux?"" |
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VanessaE |
heh |
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Fritigern |
My favorite of all time: "I was calling to sign up with a new DSL provider. When the guy asked what operating system I was using, I said, "Linux." I was put on hold for five minutes, and then a supervisor came back and told me, "You can't use Linux to connect to the Internet. It's a hacker tool, anyway." I almost fell out of my chair." |
| 23:58 |
VanessaE |
hard to imagine people being that utterly stupid but rinkworks and notalwaysright definitely prove it :) |
| 23:58 |
Fritigern |
Some are just plain curte, like a grandmother calling a mouse a "foot switch" |
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Fritigern |
*cute |
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Fritigern |
<= Fat fingers |
