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09:34	JamesTait	Good morning all; happy World Architecture Day! :-D
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13:09	Eatlama	Hey quick question. What's the best way to tail the Minetest log file?
13:10	Eatlama	I've tried PowerShell's built in tailing ability, but I don't think it works with how the log file gets written to.
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13:53	marktraceur	kaeza: Aren't they fun
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14:16	hisforever	Hi I have a person that put huge trees Right up to my property and the trees are going into my Castle I built What can I do about it?
14:19	PilzAdam	hisforever, fire
14:19	jin_xi	be careful ;)
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14:19	shadowzone	fire, protection and more fire.
14:21	hisforever	Shadowzonw are you an Admin in VanessaW sim?
14:22	catninja	hisforever: a moat with lava
14:23	Trixar_za	Oo
14:23	Trixar_za	That could work
14:23	hisforever	ok ty Trixar
14:24	Trixar_za	thank catninja
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14:34	Trixar_za	What's the best way to give users the ability to protect their own build area?
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14:35	shadowzone	I am a moderator.
14:35	shadowzone	Trixar_za: the markers mod made by Sokomine and ShadowNinja's area's mod.
14:37	Trixar_za	So you use it with areas?
14:42	shadowzone	You could
14:42	shadowzone	Well
14:42	shadowzone	I don't really know
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14:50	Trixar_za	Never used it?
14:50	Trixar_za	I just downloaded CiaranG's fork and applied crazyginger72 fix to it.
14:51	Trixar_za	Seriously - pull request :\|
14:51	shadowzone	I've used it.
14:52	PenguinDad	I think I'm killing youtube's algorithms :/
14:53	kaeza	youkiller
14:55	PenguinDad	Get snowscoped Youtube! :D
14:59	Trixar_za	... I have the worst urge to wedgy LazyJ
14:59	marktraceur	Trixar_za: Forcing them to swirly you, and then the cycle begins. Where does the violence end!?!?!?!
15:00	Trixar_za	No, I just a real hatred of people that use adfly
15:05	Trixar_za	And he rants about it. Yeah, there isn't a thing like a free lunch, but it still doesn't excuse the use of adfly. Next you'll make people fill out surveys, right? :\|
15:05	Trixar_za	le grr
15:06	PenguinDad	Trixar_za: do you also hate people who use gadfly? :P
15:06	hisforever	Where's a good place to get skins?
15:06	Trixar_za	Yes - any ad service that makes you wait :\|
15:07	Trixar_za	Mostly just because the timer tends to break with some browsers (especially on mobiles) and if you reload, it tends to start over - with MORE time added to the clock.
15:07	PenguinDad	Trixar_za: fyi I was talking about this gadfly https://github.com/dcjones/Gadfly.jl
15:08	Trixar_za	In that case no
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15:10	Trixar_za	Also Julia looks interesting
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15:32	hisforever	VanessaE are you Here?
15:34	VanessaE	hi
15:34	hisforever	heres the link to new skinhttp://novask.in/461657
15:35	* VanessaE	is watching the ESA feed for the Rosetta mission - it's landing on comet 67P soon, less than an hour!
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15:36	VanessaE	hisforever: ok. also, I see why the other skin didn't work now. looks like it was a 1.8-formatted skin.
15:36	hisforever	at your convience Vanessa I can wait
15:36	VanessaE	saved the new one.
15:36	VanessaE	it'll be available in the morning.
15:37	hisforever	ok ty
15:39	* PenguinDad	is watching xkcd1446.org
15:40	VanessaE	http://new.livestream.com/esa/cometlanding
15:42	zlsa	I was going to link it here but PenguinDad already did...
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16:07	VanessaE	TOUCHDOWN - Philae has landed
16:07	VanessaE	Wow
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16:16	PenguinDad	zomfg we now have the proof that harpoons work on comets!
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16:18	VanessaE	PenguinDad: well they were screws actually :P
16:18	VanessaE	so ESA scientists screwed a comet :P
16:19	PenguinDad	s/harpoons/screws/ then
16:20	kaeza	hah
16:21	* sfan5	meows at kaeza
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16:21	Trixar_za	Oo
16:21	Trixar_za	Well, I bet you that will be Rule 34'd in the next hour
16:21	kaeza	<_<
16:22	PenguinDad	eeeâ€‹w
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16:26	VanessaE	Trixar_za: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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16:42	Trixar_za	Wait - it took 10 years to do this?
16:42	Trixar_za	Would have been really bad if they messed it up :\|
16:43	VanessaE	Trixar_za: they're reporting having problems getting the anchors to deploy :-/
16:43	VanessaE	I think they are talking about the harpoons
16:43	VanessaE	first pictures in situ expected in an hour
16:43	Trixar_za	So the comet is playing hard to get? Oo
16:44	VanessaE	heh
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16:45	sfan5	!op
16:46	sfan5	huh
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16:47	Pearl1	Calinou: Hi :) Can I ask you something ?
16:47	sfan5	!op
16:47	Calinou	don't ask to ask :(
16:47	Pearl1	calinou: oh shit sory :D
16:47	PenguinDad	Pearl1: Please Don't ask to ask :(
16:47	Calinou	hi PenguinDad :)
16:47	sfan5	!deop
16:48	PenguinDad	Hey Calinou
16:48	proller	wow! i'm free!
16:48	Pearl1	I haver big big problems of conversion on an old map. Orientation pbs. DO you know it sometims don't work ?
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16:50	sfan5	!deop ShadowBot
16:52	Pearl1	Calinou: I have big big problems of conversion on an old map with moreblocks. Orientation pbs. Do you know it sometimes don't work ?some nodes appears "not defined"/unknow, some other appears horizontal instaed of vertical
16:55	Xack	hi Calinou :)
16:56	Calinou	proller, free! miner!
16:56	Calinou	Pearl1, add â€œlegacy_facedir_simple = trueâ€ to chest and furnace definitions, â€œlegacy_wallmounted = trueâ€ to torch and ladder definitions
16:57	Calinou	in mods/default/nodes.lua
16:57	Calinou	oh
16:57	proller	* now with stat ;_
16:57	Calinou	I thought you were talking about 0.3-era worlds
16:57	Calinou	Pearl1, go to mods/moreblocks/stairsplus, open init.lua with a text editor
16:58	Pearl1	Calinou: lol no. I even don't know what's that :D
16:58	Calinou	uncomment the last 3 lines
16:58	Calinou	OK, here is the new init.lua
16:58	Calinou	http://paste.ubuntu.com/8967540/
16:58	Calinou	replace all the contents of the old init.lua of stairsplus (not More Blocks' root folder, the stairsplus folder inside) with that
16:58	Xack	you alright, Calinou?
16:59	Pearl1	calinou: i've dont that. But problems persist
16:59	Pearl1	calinou: *done
16:59	Calinou	then there may be nothing to do apart of spamming screwdriver.
16:59	Calinou	I had to break backwards compatibility to make the number of nodes less insane
16:59	Pearl1	argh ! :S
16:59	Calinou	Sokomine has a tool that makes it easier to mass-rotate nodes
17:00	Pearl1	calinou: sure, i understand. And the game's change etc
17:00	Pearl1	calinou: ok thanks , i will check that
17:01	catninja	Catalania should be on the public serverlist now but I cannot see it, would anyone mind checking? (Lord of the test server, not Oldcoders)
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17:06	Sokomine	Pearl1: yes. it's called "replacer". it can store node type and orientation if you shift+rightclick on a node. any subsequent left-clicks will replace the node you clicked on with the stored pattern and orientation. it's mostly useful for doing things like roofs, long staircases, walls out of panels etc
17:08	Pearl1	Sokomine: great ! thank you. I will dl it
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17:17	Amaz	Does Minetest still support compiled lua for mods? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=29978#p29978 (I've tried, but it's throwing an error...)
17:18	Trixar_za	It's funny how often the name ends with ia when it comes to made up lands
17:18	Trixar_za	I even named mine Trixaria
17:19	Calinou	Equestria!
17:19	PenguinDad	Amaz: it does but only when not using luajit afaik
17:19	Calinou	I think LuaJIT is fast enough already
17:19	Calinou	if not, make better mods ;)
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17:19	Amaz	Ah, okay.
17:19	Amaz	:P
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17:24	Calinou	how do I override, using an alias, another node definition?
17:24	catninja	OldCoder: I seem to have trouble to connecting to your servers on a network that has ipv6
17:26	ShadowNinja	Amaz: Why would you use compiled Lua?
17:27	catninja	VanessaE: is your servers down or is it me?
17:27	Amaz	Just as an experiment!
17:27	ElectronLibre	Calinou: Override with minetest.override_item, or by writing a : before modname in the definition.
17:27	VanessaE	catninja: no?
17:27	Amaz	(Also, a friend wanted to make a mod, but not allow the source code to go public, not sure why...)
17:27	VanessaE	[11-12 12:28] <VanessaE> VE-Realtest: cmd status
17:27	VanessaE	[11-12 12:28] <VE-Realtest> # Server: version=0.4.10-dev, uptime=39008.8, max_lag=0.343332, clients={} \n # Server: Welcome to VanessaE's Realtest server! Using Minetest 0.4.9. Read the server's rules at http://bit.ly/1aAYdnR
17:27	ShadowNinja	Amaz: Alright, the only advantages are that it loads (not runs) slightly faster, and it's harder to read/edit.
17:28	Amaz	Yep.
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17:29	Calinou	I'd like to make just an alias
17:29	ShadowNinja	Amaz: We definitely won't accept anything closed-source though because it can't be verified to be non-malicious or sane (well, not easily).
17:29	Trixar_za	Oo
17:29	Calinou	I need to rename nodes to the same name in order to be able to stack them on inventory
17:29	Calinou	interpreted for the win
17:29	Calinou	don't use compiled for mods
17:29	Amaz	Yeah, I'm not sure why he wanted to do it :P
17:29	Calinou	probably just curiosityt
17:29	Calinou	-t
17:29	Trixar_za	It says it's using MineTest 0.4.9, but the server version is 0.4.10-dev?
17:30	catninja	VanessaE: how strange, wonder if it's the same problem as with Oldcoders servers. Could be strange settings on this network, wrong country or my fault.
17:30	ShadowNinja	Trixar_za: Minetest*
17:30	exio4	what is kinda sucky is that Lua doesn't have a nice type system
17:30	exio4	and no, I am not talking about a type system like Java's or C++'s
17:31	exio4	I am talking about an ML like type system
17:31	ShadowNinja	exio4: Agreed, metatables allow for basic classes, but a more complete system would be nice.
17:31	VanessaE	Trixar_za: it's called "vanessa is too lazy to update her motd :P"
17:31	exio4	ShadowNinja: I am not talking about classes
17:31	exio4	but things like algebraic data types would be beautifula
17:31	exio4	but things like algebraic data types would be beautiful
17:31	Amaz	He says he wanted to not allow the source code to be readable because it was for an adventure mod, and contains clues for the adventure in it.
17:32	Trixar_za	VanessaE: I think I know that well. I think this laziness may be contagious :P
17:32	exio4	ShadowNinja: have you played with Haskell?
17:32	ShadowNinja	Amaz: You can still find the clues by checking the bytecode (luac -t or so lists it nicely).
17:32	ShadowNinja	exio4: Nope.
17:32	Trixar_za	exio4: True, but I learned Lua in like 2 minutes, so it's not a bad language
17:32	exio4	F#? OCaml? SML? Racket?
17:33	Trixar_za	In fact I've been messing with mods. First I got addicted to adding them, now I'm modding them. When will the madness end? Oo
17:33	Amaz	He says he just wanted to make it harder. Not impossible, but harder.
17:33	exio4	Trixar_za: that is a lie
17:33	ShadowNinja	Amaz: Make the mod open-source and store the clues in a mildly-encrypted file (base64'd Lua or something)
17:33	exio4	you didn't learn it in 2 minutes, you _started writing code_ after 2 minutes
17:33	Calinou	that's complete bullshit Amaz; code should be readable if we want to
17:33	Calinou	encryption is also silly
17:33	Calinou	people don't have to read the source
17:34	ShadowNinja	exio4: Nope, none.
17:34	Calinou	(but alsoâ€¦ if you're playing on a server, you don't get any of the sourceâ€¦)
17:34	VanessaE	there. motd's adjusted, pending the next restart.
17:34	Amaz	The clues are in the code by default.
17:34	Trixar_za	exio4: Same difference. Read some example code and then coded in it. To me that counts as learning :P
17:34	Xack	hi :)
17:34	exio4	ShadowNinja: check LYAH, it is a beautiful language
17:34	exio4	Trixar_za: learning it is when you can use it for something not trivial
17:34	ElectronLibre	Hello Xack.
17:34	exio4	(I would say)
17:34	ShadowNinja	Calinou: Yes, but you're at least safe from rogue mods.
17:35	Trixar_za	exio4: then I've never written a program in my life.
17:35	exio4	Trixar_za: \o/
17:35	exio4	that is why we're still learning
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17:36	exio4	http://learnyouahaskell.com/
17:40	Amaz	As I said, it wasn't me who wanted to know, but a friend :)
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17:47	Calinou	evil friend :(
17:47	Amaz	Not really :P
17:48	Amaz	He just doesn't really get open source... I tried to explain, but he asked me to ask!
17:48	Calinou	don't bother then
17:48	Amaz	XD
17:49	Calinou	this is like dealing with this: http://users.kymp.net/feuer/etcomic/046.jpg
17:49	Amaz	XD
17:53	Jordach	:o
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17:53	Jordach	http://brackets.io/
17:54	Trixar_za	A lot of people don't get open source. Some people in open source don't get open source.
17:54	rubenwardy	Yes
17:55	rubenwardy	so true
17:55	exio4	are we talking about open source or free software?
17:55	PenguinDad	Jordach: even with that editor I will still suck at web design :P
17:55	exio4	because they are different, and most people confuse them too
17:57	Trixar_za	Open Source. Free Software is something totally different. You can normally sell free software under the terms of the GPL
17:57	Trixar_za	That last part tends to piss off a lot of people
17:59	Trixar_za	Now that I mention it, license issues tend to come up a lot with Open Source.
18:01	Trixar_za	I tend to just use Public Domain, WTFL or CC0 myself since I can't be bothered with it.
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18:06	Calinou	exio4, terms are not strictly interchangeable but usually can be applied to the same things.
18:06	exio4	Calinou: that is like saying cars and trucks are the same
18:06	Jordach	just because they share an engine doesn't mean they can pull the same weight or cargo
18:07	exio4	yeah, they are basically things with engines, and can carry stuff
18:09	Krock	Public Domain is not a good license
18:09	rubenwardy	Public domain is not a license, technically
18:10	Krock	>http://brackets.io/ -> "Windows XP wird von uns leider nicht mehr unterstÃ¼tzt." damn.
18:11	* PenguinDad	laughs at Krock
18:11	Calinou	where did I say they were t he same, exio4 ?
18:11	exio4	Calinou: "can be applied to the same things"
18:11	Krock	but well, Notepad++ does that job too
18:11	exio4	that is like saying a truck can carry what a car does
18:12	Calinou	ie. almost all â€œopen sourceâ€ is free software and almost all free software is open source
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18:12	exio4	so what
18:13	exio4	almost all users use windows, and all windows computer have users, so users and windows can be used for roughly the same
18:13	rubenwardy	!title https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/ca265e7405952b6031f5
18:13	MinetestBot	rubenwardy: Create CMakeLists
18:13	Krock	This needs a headdesk: https://forum.minetest.net/posting.php?mode=quote&f=11&p=161574#pr161574
18:14	Krock	rubenwardy, <3
18:16	Calinou	http://paste.ubuntu.com/8968832/
18:16	Calinou	we love SirCampPown.
18:16	Calinou	. . . . .
18:16	PenguinDad	Krock: that post by Topywo is 9 months old so don't think that he'll read that post :P
18:16	Krock	PenguinDad, you get to the last post after posting a post
18:16	Krock	so you can read the posts on top of it
18:17	PenguinDad	Krock: I know that...
18:18	rubenwardy	Wow
18:18	rubenwardy	Calinou: he is sounding like a copyright capitalist fanatic
18:19	Calinou	I'm entirely sick of him
18:19	Calinou	in before people tell me to fork
18:19	Calinou	(he already did)
18:19	rubenwardy	The poison of this world; thoughtless people with no effics
18:19	rubenwardy	What is it about?
18:19	Calinou	he added a non-free music
18:21	rubenwardy	To what?
18:21	rubenwardy	* ethics
18:24	Calinou	to MediaCrush
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18:27	stakewinner00	Calinou: wait, anime music is cool :P
18:27	rubenwardy	You what?
18:27	Jordach	Calinou: incapable of 2 sided conversation on licensing and ethics
18:28	rubenwardy	I like some anime, but I don't do hardcore stuff
18:29	rubenwardy	Naruto is as far as I go
18:29	Calinou	Jordach, why would I?
18:29	Calinou	the point is not to serve everyone warm water
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18:30	exio4	it makes look like you are a child trolling
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18:31	SergioAD	Hello
18:32	Trixar_za	rubenwardy: I have some bad news for you...
18:33	rubenwardy	Fixed https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/ca265e7405952b6031f5
18:34	SergioAD	I have recentlly promoted by OldCoder from a simple user to an admin on the Openmine server, and because the mods what we want use I will need to regenerate the land but OldCoder does not want to reset it at all, he want keep the buildings: there is a form to regenerate the land keeping the buildings?
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18:34	rubenwardy	Yes, Trixar_za?
18:34	Jordach	SergioAD, there isn't
18:35	Trixar_za	rubenwardy: Naruto - the manga has ended. The Anime will soon follow :(
18:35	SergioAD	I see
18:35	rubenwardy	Oh yes :(
18:36	twoelk	SergioAD: what mod do you need to regenerate for?
18:36	OldCoder	SergioAD, that is still under discussion
18:36	exio4	microsoft opensourced .NET
18:36	OldCoder	Trixar_za, Did they finally destroy Hidden Leaf Village?
18:37	* OldCoder	eagerly awaits news of the end of that place
18:37	SergioAD	I see
18:37	exio4	\o/ I am starting to like microsoft
18:37	exio4	they support programming languages research, F#, they opensource .NET
18:37	SergioAD	OldCoder not create a ew server with not mobs carbone textures default acces list and your inventory of Lold of the test? there is not a form to regenerate the land with not destroying the buildings
18:37	OldCoder	Trixar_za, tell me that Sasuke stopped moping around, got down to business, and scrubbed the ground bare
18:37	Calinou	Microsoft still makes a lot of grievious stuff, exio4
18:38	OldCoder	SergioAD, I will not allow the buildings to be destroyed. They can be preserved as I explained to you...
18:38	Trixar_za	Well, I only read up until he beat his brother
18:38	Jordach	exio4, i started like MS once they made OneDrive to support all mobile platforms and Linux is coming
18:38	Trixar_za	Which then promptly died. Also apparently he's a live again. It's like a soap opera
18:38	Jordach	Word Online also works properly
18:38	SergioAD	yes, that is why I suggest make a new empety server
18:38	Trixar_za	alive*
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18:38	exio4	Calinou: they support research, help to build opensource programming languages (F#, indirectly Haskell), and they are starting to become opensource-friendly
18:38	OldCoder	SergioAD, a world can be regenerated from the same seed, then the buildings can be put back
18:38	OldCoder	Trixar_za, whats his name was quite dead
18:39	miner59	hi, do you think you can add a exit button to a chest? I tried but it didn't work
18:39	ElectronLibre	miner56: What would that button do?
18:39	OldCoder	SergioAD, actually, all you and DMan need to do is give me the exact coords of the corners of buildings
18:39	ElectronLibre	*miner59 sorry
18:39	Krock	miner59, double-click outside
18:39	Calinou	that does not make them ethical
18:39	OldCoder	SergioAD, I can then put them back myself
18:39	SergioAD	OK
18:39	Calinou	they are still part of the GAFAM
18:39	Jordach	tl;dr Calinou's mindframe is outdated with the new MS
18:39	miner59	for someone with an ipad
18:39	Calinou	no it isn't
18:39	Krock	miner59, double-tab outside
18:40	Calinou	miner59, iOS mobile clients are illegal and not made by us
18:40	Jordach	miner59, your client is illegal
18:40	twoelk	Trixar_za: why not just add a new spawn some thousands of nodes away?
18:40	Calinou	so play on a PC
18:40	OldCoder	Calinou, I am a Carbonou user. Continue to make it fast.
18:40	miner59	lol
18:40	Calinou	I'm not sure, OldCoderÂ¿
18:40	exio4	Calinou: they are not perfect gods, but they are walking to the bright side
18:40	SergioAD	PS: can help me to get interact? your server is full of violent mobs
18:40	rubenwardy	!g GAFAM
18:40	MinetestBot	rubenwardy: http://www.infos-mobiles.com/amazon/gafam-google-apple-facebook-amazon-microsoft-lequel-le-plus-fortune/62018
18:40	OldCoder	Calinou, Not sure of what?
18:40	Calinou	they are clearly not
18:40	Calinou	rubenwardy, Google, Apple, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft
18:40	OldCoder	SergioAD, find "DMan" and meet me; I just need certain coords
18:41	Calinou	I have other, funnier names if you wish
18:41	Trixar_za	Oh and hi OldCoder. Now we're idling in two places together :P
18:41	miner59	are you joking? I have no idea why they should be illegal
18:41	OldCoder	Trixar_za, I am not idling; I am an op here
18:41	rubenwardy	Yeah XD
18:41	Jordach	miner59, the open source license that minetest is under is not followed with the iOS clients
18:41	SergioAD	Ok I will go to meet him
18:42	OldCoder	Trixar_za, it is a reprehensible soap opera. Tell me when Sasuke arrives to erase them from history.
18:42	* OldCoder	is not a "fan" of those characters
18:42	Trixar_za	You'd probably enjoy the guro h manga about it
18:42	OldCoder	What is that?
18:43	OldCoder	A fan story regarding the destruction of Hidden Leaf?
18:43	miner59	it is a little children, i have a pc
18:43	Xack	Calinou: hi?
18:43	Trixar_za	More selling characters into slavery and killing them when they've been 'used' up
18:44	* PenguinDad	meows at Xack
18:44	Xack	hi PenguinDad :)
18:44	rubenwardy	I am only on episode 12 of Naruto Shippidon
18:44	* ElectronLibre	wonders why a Penguin meows.
18:44	Trixar_za	My morbid curiosity kicked in and I went through it. Honestly, it was tame compared to some of the guro stuff I've read and played. (I really should stop listening to my one friend - she has weird tastes...)
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18:45	* shadowzone	meows anyways
18:45	PenguinDad	ElectronLibre: I learned a foreign language :P
18:46	twoelk	guro and weird tastes, sounds like breeding nightmares
18:46	Trixar_za	and that just gave me another flash back :(
18:47	Calinou	another HTML 5 back
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18:48	Trixar_za	But yeah - she's one of the girls I've never been interested in even though she's hot. She literally scares the crap out of me.
18:48	twoelk	thinking of morbid weird taste somehow Tim Burton creeps up on me
18:48	rubenwardy	!c 'HTML 5' > 'Flash'
18:48	MinetestBot	True
18:48	rubenwardy	^ MinetestBot knows stuff
18:49	* ElectronLibre	likes the way Calinou change "flash" by "HTML5"
18:50	SergioAD	OldCoder the server seems to be empety
18:51	ElectronLibre	This bot is the knowledge incarnated rubenwardy :).
18:51	SergioAD	I do not find any player tag anybody responds me...
18:52	twoelk	SergioAD: type /status to be sure
18:52	SergioAD	OK
18:52	Xack	Calinou: :O
18:52	Xack	they
18:52	Xack	open sourced
18:52	Xack	.NET
18:52	rubenwardy	Any suggestions for an open source license which avoids a Globeminner situation?
18:53	SergioAD	yes I am the only person here
18:53	Trixar_za	Globeminner?
18:53	exio4	I already said it here Xack
18:53	PenguinDad	eeeâ€‹w .NET
18:53	Calinou	Xack, WE KNOW
18:54	Calinou	(write this with wooden planks in your favourite world)
18:54	Calinou	rubenwardy, none?
18:54	SergioAD	I tried to find life here untill the 1:00 AM and are the 12:54 here on Mexico
18:54	Trixar_za	Maybe try a different server?
18:55	Trixar_za	I made my server public for like 5 minutes and had it filled to capacity. This was also when I learned what griefing was
18:55	SergioAD	Trixar_za: I am one of the admins here and I need to find other admin I think we will need to make the new server, the carbone textures are amazing b
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18:56	SergioAD	but the HUD and tools quicklist are ugly, for these ones I suggest use the classic ones, for the cursor and inventory I recommend the ones present on the Lord of the test server
18:57	Trixar_za	I've been hearing about carbone, but I've never actually seen it
18:57	SergioAD	making one from scratch will be harder for the two but will be awesome
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18:57	Trixar_za	Also I learned the hard way what a memory hog having too many mods and mobs can be
18:58	Calinou	it's obvious
18:58	Calinou	here's how Carbone looks: https://mediacru.sh/1a6bae839b92
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18:59	SergioAD	OldCoder also if we do this server I grat you the freedom to add your favorite mods to make better the gaming experience :D
19:00	SergioAD	on the zip what I have share to you yesterday has a mony mod for payments :)
19:00	Calinou	a pony mod for payments
19:01	SergioAD	the ice and magma tools are awesome, I like them
19:02	Xack	aw fak u exio4
19:02	OldCoder	SergioAD, pony is mony
19:02	SergioAD	when I said to my friends about our work OldCoder they became excited becase of the innovations on this server
19:02	OldCoder	SergioAD, you don't have any original content. But we will proceed if you will assist.
19:02	Trixar_za	Calinou: Doesn't look all that different from base
19:02	OldCoder	I need the coords of all of the buildings on Openmine. Just two coords for each building.
19:02	Trixar_za	Well, except for the 3D torches
19:02	OldCoder	One coord should give the lowest X Y Z corner
19:03	OldCoder	Lowest number for each
19:03	SergioAD	Ok how can I do that?
19:03	OldCoder	One coord should give the highest X Y Z corner
19:03	OldCoder	Highest number for each
19:03	OldCoder	Just two is all needed; do you understand so far?
19:03	SergioAD	yes
19:03	OldCoder	Do you know how to display coords?
19:03	OldCoder	Press F5 on PC
19:03	SergioAD	OK
19:04	OldCoder	I will grant you fly. You only need to do this:
19:04	Calinou	Trixar_za, play it and see :P
19:04	OldCoder	#1 Fly to each building
19:04	SergioAD	there are many buildings
19:04	OldCoder	SergioAD, poor ones are not important
19:04	Trixar_za	Calinou: Address?
19:04	OldCoder	#1 Fly to each building
19:04	Calinou	there are a few servers with it
19:04	Calinou	but you should download it and play singleplayer
19:04	SergioAD	Ok
19:04	OldCoder	#2 Find lowest X Y Z numbers and highest X Y Z numbers
19:04	Calinou	http://servers.minetest.net/
19:04	Calinou	search â€œcarboneâ€
19:04	OldCoder	#3 Report two coords to me
19:05	OldCoder	That is all
19:05	OldCoder	I will grant you fly and teleport
19:05	OldCoder	And noclip
19:05	OldCoder	Remember to sink down a little if necessary to get foundation
19:05	SergioAD	Ok thanks :)
19:05	OldCoder	SergioAD, the rest is up to you
19:06	SergioAD	Ok OldCoder
19:06	SergioAD	do you know if there are many houser?
19:06	Trixar_za	OldCoder: what is silvercrab?
19:07	OldCoder	SergioAD, wait briefly
19:07	SergioAD	Ok
19:07	OldCoder	Trixar_za, Silvercrab is a fork of Redcrab created at the request of oOChainLynxOo
19:07	OldCoder	Trixar_za, Redcrab went down for weeks and we know it is dying
19:07	OldCoder	Trixar_za, so I traded a photo of Jaykee's kitty cat for the world
19:07	Trixar_za	That makes even less sense to me - lol - what's different about it?
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19:08	OldCoder	I gathered five captures and merged them
19:08	OldCoder	Trixar_za, it is apparently one of the largest, oldest, and most venerable worlds
19:08	OldCoder	SergioAD, wait a few minutes, IRC is not started for Openmine
19:08	OldCoder	Need to debug that
19:08	SergioAD	Ok :)
19:10	SergioAD	say me when you are ready, I am on the first building, please explain me via IRC - server wich numbers are the couds (I think there are the seed butI do not know :D)
19:10	SergioAD	my first admin time
19:11	OldCoder	SergioAD, Hi
19:11	OldCoder	SergioAD, indicate when here
19:11	SergioAD	???
19:12	Trixar_za	OldCoder: I'm way too new at this to actually know or care about size and age Oo
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19:12	OldCoder	Trixar_za, you can understand that an online world may be old or new
19:13	OldCoder	SergioAD, are you present here in this channel? That is what I ment
19:13	OldCoder	meant *
19:14	Trixar_za	OldCoder: I take it SergioAD just setup a server with you? That's just the vibe I'm getting :P
19:14	OldCoder	No he did not
19:14	OldCoder	He has no involvement yet but may
19:14	OldCoder	What happened was this
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19:15	OldCoder	I set up an open creative world to test Calinou Carbone. There was too much griefing. I decided to shut down the world.
19:15	OldCoder	But even though it was just a week or two old I received requests to keep it
19:15	OldCoder	We therefore have mod and admin positions open
19:15	OldCoder	SergioAD came to me asking for a new world
19:16	OldCoder	And of course he had zero content
19:16	OldCoder	Nothing original
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19:16	OldCoder	For 2.5 years it is usually "give me an empty world it will be cool"
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19:16	OldCoder	Nobody wants to simply build on an existing world
19:16	OldCoder	They want little empty worlds of their own
19:17	OldCoder	Surely it makes more sense to have 100s of little empty worlds than a few large and busy ones
19:17	OldCoder	That is the reasoning
19:17	OldCoder	D:
19:17	Trixar_za	Speaking of which - I found mods that can generate whole villages - it's weird (and buggy - but mostly weird)
19:17	OldCoder	I told SergioAD he could have admin on that world
19:17	OldCoder	But he wants particular ores
19:17	OldCoder	So I need to regenerate
19:17	OldCoder	If he comes back explain that I waited but he did not come
19:17	OldCoder	I need to rest now
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19:18	Trixar_za	OldCoder: If I'm still here, sure.
19:18	OldCoder	I don't know the purposes of those villages
19:18	OldCoder	Sokomine mod right?
19:18	SergioAD	I am on the fist buildig, advice me on the game when you get the IRC chanel communications open to the server, I will need indications of where is exactlly the courds :)
19:18	OldCoder	SergioAD, I restarted
19:18	Trixar_za	OldCoder: Yeah
19:18	OldCoder	Are you still logged in?
19:18	Calinou	OldCoder, don't grant interact by default
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19:18	OldCoder	Calinou, I do NOT usually
19:19	Calinou	tell people to use areas locks
19:19	SergioAD	yes :D I will restart
19:19	OldCoder	This was a test of YOUR _game :-) Calinou
19:19	OldCoder	Calinou, and kids hate areas too complicated
19:19	Calinou	it is not areas
19:19	Calinou	you place a damn area lock block
19:19	Calinou	it locks 25Â³ area
19:19	Calinou	it's that easy
19:19	Calinou	like PreciousStones in Minecraft
19:19	OldCoder	What is with the "damn" be polite I was testing YOUR _game
19:19	Calinou	many people use that just fine there
19:19	OldCoder	What is with the "damn" be polite I was testing YOUR _game
19:20	Calinou	â€œarea lockâ€ is just a fancy term for â€œprotectorâ€
19:20	* OldCoder	is now migrating to Carbone so be polite
19:20	Calinou	sorry
19:20	OldCoder	See above
19:20	OldCoder	Indeed D:
19:20	Calinou	clearly not in a good mood right now
19:20	Calinou	sick of constantly fighting with people
19:20	OldCoder	Nope
19:20	OldCoder	Then don't
19:20	Calinou	and being banned from everywhere
19:20	OldCoder	??
19:20	OldCoder	How has that happened?
19:20	Trixar_za	OldCoder: Mind you, I've always been a weird player. Other people came for the crafting and building, I came for exploring caves and stuff. Other people came for effects created by mods - I mess with the mods to get the effects I want.
19:20	OldCoder	Trixar_za, I would like to see a world by you
19:21	OldCoder	Enough with the kids and their "I must be master of my own empty world; snap to it, servant!" :D
19:21	Trixar_za	Hell, that explorer part is as old as my online gaming. In MUDs I walked head first into areas that got me killed. Had to beg higher level characters to go get my corpse
19:21	OldCoder	Trixar_za, Ah. Let us talk about possibilities for Openmine or other worlds.
19:21	OldCoder	You might like Moontest
19:21	SergioAD	Ok grestarted
19:22	OldCoder	SergioAD, first
19:22	SergioAD	*restarted :D
19:22	OldCoder	I'm not going to explain how to read coords
19:22	OldCoder	Google for that or ask other players
19:22	OldCoder	Press F5 on the PC and they should appear
19:22	OldCoder	X Y Z
19:22	OldCoder	Three numbers
19:22	OldCoder	I do not even need coords for individual buildings!
19:22	OldCoder	If buildings are close together I need just a region
19:22	SergioAD	Ok thank you
19:23	OldCoder	I need two coords and two only
19:23	OldCoder	For each region or building
19:23	OldCoder	The X Y Z at a lower corner that has the lowest X Y Z numbers
19:23	SergioAD	Ok
19:23	OldCoder	The X Y Z at an upper corner that has the highest X Y Z numbers
19:23	OldCoder	Do you understand what I mean?
19:23	OldCoder	If not find somebody to explain it I must rest
19:24	OldCoder	Go to the world and I will grant some privs
19:26	rubenwardy	!title http://rubenwardy.github.io/PuzzlePlatformer/
19:26	MinetestBot	rubenwardy: Puzzle Platform
19:31	OldCoder	I need to lie down. If people would like to help start a new world, somebody explain X Y Z coords to SergioAD
19:31	OldCoder	He is googling and I don't have time for that
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19:31	Trixar_za	Night OldCoder
19:31	OldCoder	He is here and also logged in on Openmine: server minetest.org port 30023
19:32	OldCoder	Not night Trixar_za lunch time but I have a thing that is tiring
19:32	OldCoder	Medically
19:32	OldCoder	I don't have the time to explain to him where to look for the coords
19:32	OldCoder	Zzz
19:32	Trixar_za	I just tired out my mind. I'm running on auto-pilot myself
19:32	OldCoder	Nap, then
19:32	* OldCoder	takes his own advice now
19:33	OldCoder	Somebody talk to SergioAD on Openmine about coords
19:33	Trixar_za	I can absorb large amount of information quickly, but I need to give it a day to process - also it gives me one hell of a headache :P
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19:34	rubenwardy	https://github.com/rubenwardy/PuzzlePlatformer
19:34	rubenwardy	XD
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19:43	rubenwardy	Deleted that repo, as I'll think I will wait until it is better.
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19:43	SergioAD	Hello again
19:44	SergioAD	so somebody can host or create a brand new world for me?
19:45	SergioAD	as I said before I like the OldCoder's Lord of the test inventory and cursor, I liked the Carbone textures and improvements (some of them allready present on my zip file)
19:46	SergioAD	somebody with a powerfull what can support such server?
19:47	SergioAD	I have not the mentioned game improvements (the mentioned inventories textures or cursor) but I have lots of mos
19:47	SergioAD	somebody??? you will like it
19:48	* OldCoder	laughs
19:48	OldCoder	Done with rest
19:48	OldCoder	SergioAD has just demonstrated what I was talking about before.
19:48	OldCoder	I mean no offense to SergioAD
19:48	paramat	comet during descent from 3km http://www.esa.int/spaceinimages/Images/2014/11/ROLIS_descent_image
19:48	SergioAD	I see :/
19:48	OldCoder	SergioAD, I was and remain prepared to assist you
19:49	OldCoder	But you and most people expect to much. I asked you just now to learn the basics of the game...
19:49	OldCoder	Instead you came here and begged for somebody else to give you a free empty world with no work on your part
19:49	SergioAD	I see
19:49	OldCoder	Is this an unreasonable assessment?
19:49	Jordach	paramat, please don't make a mapgen that makes comets
19:50	Calinou	it will happen anyway
19:50	OldCoder	You were asked to learned about X Y Z coords and instead begged to have somebody else give you a server
19:50	SergioAD	pardon me but I have not the knowentage about these things
19:50	OldCoder	SergioAD, you are expected to learn
19:50	SergioAD	yes
19:50	OldCoder	It is basics of the game; let alone the responsibilities of a world admin
19:50	OldCoder	How can you expect to run a world if you do not know the most fact elements?
19:50	SergioAD	I see, I will put many effort
19:51	OldCoder	And coming here to beg for another person to give you a world instead of learning does not bode well
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19:51	* Calinou	is trying to get this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/nquake/
19:51	SergioAD	yes, my fault
19:51	OldCoder	It is suggested, SergioAD, politely, that you learn enough to work on your own mods, how to admin a world, and become experienced
19:51	OldCoder	This is a long term project and perhaps you will go far
19:51	OldCoder	But begging without offering things in trade is not useful
19:52	OldCoder	Calinou, nquake?
19:52	OldCoder	Calinou, and feel free to PM if you need somebody to talk to
19:52	paramat	lol i have already
19:52	Krock	CraigyDavi, boost_cart got some updates - I don't know if you want to update your game, just notify.
19:53	OldCoder	Does anybody besides RBA know the sky mod? What I offer is a Solar System world
19:53	Krock	sky mod?
19:53	OldCoder	I am told that the sky mod could be configured or patched to change images
19:53	OldCoder	Krock, moment
19:53	OldCoder	I am using it on Moontest
19:54	OldCoder	http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/Phantom1714/screenshot_2596135054.png
19:54	OldCoder	No that does not show it
19:54	OldCoder	Hold on
19:54	OldCoder	Hm; I don't see a thread for the mod
19:55	OldCoder	I'm using it, though; back shortly while I research
19:55	paramat	\O/ a historic first bounce off a comet
19:55	SergioAD	WOOOOOOOW are lots of commands
19:55	SergioAD	I will nee to learm a lot :D
19:56	OldCoder	http://minetest.org/skymod.zip
19:56	OldCoder	Krock, ^
19:56	OldCoder	Interesting, I can't find the source of the mod
19:56	Krock	downloads
19:56	OldCoder	But Sokomine and others are aware of it
19:57	OldCoder	Looks like it will work dynamically
19:57	Krock	ooh that one :D perfect to have this in my mod collection now
19:57	rubenwardy	mediacru.sh is the best
19:57	OldCoder	Sokomine suggests that I modify mapgen to put Mars, Titan, etc. on a plane
19:58	OldCoder	Krock, perhaps you will comment, then...
19:58	stakewinner00	mmm compiling minetest -> lua/build/liblua.a(loslib.o): En la funciÃ³n `os_tmpname': loslib.c:(.text+0x28c): aviso: the use of `tmpnam' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp'
19:58	SergioAD	OldCOder pardon me I was overwhelmed by all the things what an admin needs to do and all the commands what he need to know
19:58	OldCoder	I had thought to put Mars at one level, Moon at another, Titan, etc.
19:58	Trixar_za	Wait - so it will generate planetary landscapes?
19:58	OldCoder	SergioAD, you really do not need to know that much
19:58	OldCoder	Trixar_za, I have the Moon
19:58	Krock	OldCoder, into a single world? this gets difficult
19:58	OldCoder	I will prepare skys for other worlds
19:58	OldCoder	Krock, no; Sokomine suggested what to do
19:58	OldCoder	I think it might be easy
19:59	Krock	okay
19:59	OldCoder	Originally the idea was...
19:59	sfan5	stakewinner00: just ignore that, it's normal
19:59	OldCoder	To generate or create flat planes, multiple, in Moontest
19:59	OldCoder	And put Mars on a different level
19:59	Trixar_za	Wouldn't a sky look stary on the moon even with a sun involved?
19:59	OldCoder	Yes
19:59	SergioAD	I have a question for you, which material you have used for the moontest crystal montains?
19:59	OldCoder	But Sokomine says just modify mapgen
19:59	OldCoder	SergioAD, No time to look it up right now
19:59	Trixar_za	And on Titan you wouldn't see the sun at all
19:59	OldCoder	But Sokomine says just modify mapgen
19:59	OldCoder	Yes
20:00	Trixar_za	It will also be raining methane
20:00	OldCoder	But Sokomine says just modify mapgen to produce different blocks for different quadrants of the map
20:00	OldCoder	This is possible, right?
20:00	SergioAD	Ok
20:00	OldCoder	I can use skymod to produce a different sky for each quadrant
20:00	OldCoder	Result, 4 to 8 worlds in one map
20:00	OldCoder	Trixar_za, Krock, Calinou, others, what do you think?
20:01	stakewinner00	sfan5: Ok.
20:01	Trixar_za	So one map, but with different world variables - that should be interesting.
20:01	Krock	It's a perfect idea
20:01	Trixar_za	Not sure how you'll deal with gravity and physics changes though
20:01	OldCoder	I will host a Solar System world
20:01	Calinou	yes, would be Lua mapgens?
20:01	Krock	but it could require.. uhm.. some work
20:01	OldCoder	Trixar_za, I can write those
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20:01	OldCoder	Calinou, should be a modified version of a standard mapgen
20:01	OldCoder	Several people have said it will work
20:01	Calinou	would need a C++ modification then
20:01	OldCoder	Is there an alternative or is that the best approach?
20:02	OldCoder	Isn't there a mapgen mod?
20:02	* OldCoder	remembers one
20:03	Trixar_za	I've seen several
20:03	OldCoder	Then this should be possible, right?
20:03	OldCoder	It mostly needs (1) sky mod changing sky at different locations (2) modified mapgen (3) some physics code and Moontest already has variable gravity
20:04	OldCoder	So this seems quite doable
20:04	OldCoder	Especially if there is a mod-based mapgen
20:04	OldCoder	Shall I call this WorldTest instead of Moontest ?
20:04	OldCoder	Imagine...
20:04	OldCoder	You get in your little UFO on the Moon, fly east, and arrive on Mars
20:05	OldCoder	Or take a travelnet to Pluto, which will be quite cold
20:05	Sokomine	Krock: having diffrent worlds at diffrent heights ought to work. i'm not sure about the background image, and i don't have time for it :-( at least not right now
20:05	OldCoder	Sokomine, didn't you suggest easier to put them all on the same plane?
20:05	OldCoder	You were quite clear about this
20:06	OldCoder	Sokomine, looking at the image code, that part seems easy
20:06	Sokomine	Krock: the moontest world run by oldcoder has a beautiful background image which really makes you feel standing on a moon, with the universe around you
20:06	OldCoder	So it is natural that people wish to travel there :-)
20:06	Krock	Sokomine, yes. I already was there once
20:07	OldCoder	So, different levels or different regions on a flat plane? Is the latter easier?
20:07	Trixar_za	Could be fun
20:08	Trixar_za	Imagine walking on CO2 ice - it will kick up particles like crazy
20:09	Sokomine	OldCoder: i had in mind putting them at diffrent heights
20:09	paramat	yeah my moonrealm mod skybox is not as pretty =)
20:09	OldCoder	Sokomine, that was my idea; I thought you vetoed it and said put them all on the same level
20:09	OldCoder	However, I will go with consensus
20:09	Sokomine	Trixar_za: well, there are limits as to what can be done :-)
20:10	OldCoder	I must deal with issues elsewhere today. However, if people have views on different levels versus different quadrants, please advise me
20:10	Sokomine	OldCoder: oh. perhaps i didn't understand it right then. or was too much thinking about how it would be best. sorry if there was a misunderstanding. but it's really a very nice, very diffrent world. it's a lot of fun to hop around there and stare at the image in awe
20:11	Trixar_za	lol - true. For example Titan will mostly be a weird colour, wouldn't it? Purple 'water' and stuff.
20:15	paramat	Titan is very orange, ive done that one too
20:19	OldCoder	Sokomine, you did suggest quadrants over levels. paramat Can I use a mod of yours to do what I wish?
20:21	Jordach	paramat, make a game where gravity is non-existant and you have to use zeg's UFOs or a varaiant to get around the meteors
20:21	paramat	yes WTFPL, early moonrealm is actually a titan, with red lakes
20:22	* Jordach	would like to see how space mining would work in Minetest
20:22	paramat	nuts, very low gravity would be good too
20:22	Jordach	no pickaxes, they'd spin you around with the digging force
20:22	paramat	yes space is the future of mining IRL
20:23	Jordach	so either drills or jackhammer picks
20:23	Jordach	with near extreme levels of durability to simulate battery power :P
20:24	Trixar_za	lol
20:24	Trixar_za	What next? Comet mining?
20:24	Trixar_za	Oops - the harpoons didn't deploy... :P
20:24	OldCoder	paramat if you are able to comment, I remain interested in the answer
20:25	paramat	^ sorry answered above
20:25	paramat	yes its WTFPL
20:26	Jordach	paramat, asteroid mining would be the tits
20:26	Jordach	i'd play that
20:26	Jordach	:3
20:26	paramat	yes exactly
20:26	Trixar_za	Hey, wouldn't cave exploring be fun in zero G?
20:27	Jordach	Trixar_za, i've played space engineers, but a MT version would be better
20:27	Trixar_za	Any point can be the floor
20:27	paramat	MTs vertical height makes this all possible
20:27	Jordach	although pavel's airship mod would make awesome custom mining ships
20:28	Jordach	fuck.
20:28	Jordach	i actually want this
20:28	paramat	ive been modding in this direction for a year already
20:28	OldCoder	paramat, I misunderstood. I am not asking about the license. Are you indicating that one of your mods will work with a level-based multi-world map?
20:28	OldCoder	Which one should I try?
20:29	paramat	OldCoder, yes, finding the link for you now ...
20:30	Jordach	paramat, just randomly sized asteroids would be perfect
20:30	Sokomine	mining tiny asteroids might be a good option. skyblock games are also pretty popular but have to get there material out of thin air
20:31	Jordach	and a small starting platform just so you can get going
20:31	Jordach	and maybe a jetpack for easier travel without using ships
20:31	paramat	https://github.com/paramat/moonrealm/tree/9797f171c851f46d9d64014224b360463eca132f
20:32	Sokomine	the moon mod used on oldcoders moontest world has moon trees. they're a bit odd and produce normaml wood
20:32	catninja	OldCoder: I'm running a server with moontest just to try it out, but it konstantly crashes - did you have that problem in the beginning/now too?
20:33	paramat	moontest is wacky, uses lots of stuff from moonrealm
20:33	Trixar_za	Reminds me a little of AvP - the original. When you played an alien you could walk on walls and the roof. Most people kept to the ground. I adapted quickly and destroyed lights and kept to the side walls (most people assume you're on the roof or floor).
20:34	OldCoder	catninja, we have almost no crashes at all
20:35	OldCoder	Sokomine, we are working on moon-wood
20:35	OldCoder	Leaves will probably become plastic
20:35	OldCoder	catninja, we have been modifying the _game and I will GitHub a new one
20:35	OldCoder	Possibly named Worldtest
20:35	Sokomine	it's helpful if there's at least a bit of gravity. and the trees...they could produce an atmosphere that's just too thin for human beeings but well enough for plantlife. that way, furnaces might be acceptable...
20:35	catninja	OldCoder: not in the beginning either? Then it might be me
20:36	OldCoder	catninja, I don't recall crashes presently
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20:36	OldCoder	paramat, the moonrealm link you posted is for a mapgen that supports multiple levels?
20:37	paramat	well its a single level realm that can be stacked above/below others
20:37	Sokomine	oldcoder: moonwood might be easy. just turn the wooden texture into shades of gray. then it would at least fit in. trees also ought to be much higher 8they can if the gravity is lower). practical reasons may speak against that - people are lazy and usually only mine what they can reach without effort
20:37	paramat	i have other space mapgens
20:37	Jordach	Sokomine, no gravity would mess so much up
20:37	Jordach	s/no//
20:38	paramat	you're welcome to stack them up
20:38	Trixar_za	I really should learn Minetest's API
20:39	catninja	OldCoder: it seems to crash on moontest_appletree of all things, will check it out
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20:43	OldCoder	catninja, Oh I know what that is
20:43	OldCoder	catninja, He left out trees
20:43	OldCoder	Rather growth
20:43	OldCoder	Nil pointer
20:44	OldCoder	My version fixes that. DFeniks has added other fixes.
20:44	OldCoder	So, before I go, can anybody comment on what code I should grep to learn about stacking realms?
20:44	catninja	"he"? moontest_appletree does not exist so when it tries to call it so krasches the server?
20:45	OldCoder	He is RealTinyMonster. Who has apparently been K-Lined by Freenode BTW.
20:45	OldCoder	I thought that he was age 22 or so. He turned out to be 14, got bored, and wandered off...
20:45	OldCoder	Leaving me stuck with a half-finished world
20:45	OldCoder	That I was obligated to work on because now it had tons of people
20:45	OldCoder	D:
20:45	Trixar_za	Oh, I know the type
20:45	catninja	Oh, how frustrating
20:45	* OldCoder	can be excused for speaking sharply to Sergio as he does not wish to repeat the experience
20:46	Trixar_za	I once closed a few year old project because of people like that
20:46	OldCoder	I have the skills to make some of the fixes, but no time. I will make the new _game public
20:46	OldCoder	And invite people to participate. It is an unusual and interesting world
20:46	OldCoder	With many happy players
20:46	OldCoder	If I add Mars and Pluto... it will be a milestone world I think
20:47	OldCoder	paramat, Sokomine, others, thank you for your remarks. I wish to discuss this further.
20:47	OldCoder	o/
20:47	Trixar_za	Pluto isn't much bigger than our moon though
20:47	catninja	OldCoder: I'm not shure how to handle the nil thing but if youre busy I will go look somewhere else
20:47	OldCoder	catninja, I am truly out of time; but you can just use my _game when I push it to GitHub
20:48	Trixar_za	Day/Night cycles would also be weird - lol
20:48	Sokomine	Trixar_za: not a big problem. reality can be bent to a considerable degree in a mt world. it has to for gameplay reasons
20:52	Trixar_za	Sounds like a fun thing to play around with. I'd need to understand how it works to be of any help though - lol
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21:07	catninja	OldCoder: fixed it! I took the appletree function from Amaz and fishys Lott and rewrote it to fit in moontest so now it does not krasch! proud
21:07	catninja	Amaz: thx!
21:08	Amaz	:(
21:08	Amaz	*:)
21:17	catninja	the Yvannamire(?)fruit makes an eccelent spaceapple
21:18	* Jordach	just wants a realistic space mining game for MT
21:19	Jordach	none of this fantasy bullshit
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21:20	catninja	Jordach: I just made appletrees and fixed a krasching server with ctrl+c ctrl+v so just do it!
21:20	Amaz	Everything has its place :)
21:21	Amaz	But, a realistic space mining game would be awesome/
21:22	Jordach	with drills, a sort of spacestation (auto-generated), pavel's airship mod for custom mining / cargo ships
21:24	proller	and lagship
21:25	Amaz	Solved in Freeminer? ;)
21:25	proller	something - yes
21:25	proller	50 ms max lag ;)
21:25	Jordach	a bucket with a patch is still a bucket with a patch
21:26	Amaz	^
21:26	y	my latency is higher than that
21:26	y	is freeminer going to use timetraveling features proller
21:26	Amaz	On my server, max_lag = 0.669
21:26	Jordach	actually, ive had negative latency with mt
21:27	proller	Amaz, with disabled mod and tuned all settings to 1 ;)
21:27	Amaz	Nope.
21:27	shadowzone	I'm stuck with freeminer, cause my Username Box on Minetest is missing and I don't know how to fix it.
21:27	Amaz	Carbone, mgv5, another server running, web browser.
21:27	Amaz	And playing with carts.
21:27	Jordach	shadowzone, is it a VPS?
21:28	Jordach	if so, rm -rf * with a sudo and manually reinstall that thing
21:28	proller	Amaz, try add mobs
21:28	shadowzone	Nope
21:28	Amaz	It has mobs :)
21:28	proller	shadowzone, what missing ?
21:28	shadowzone	I git cloned and compiled it.
21:28	Amaz	max_lag = 0.59 now :)
21:28	shadowzone	On Minetest(Not freeminer) My Username Box is missing
21:29	proller	Amaz, and 0 players ?
21:29	Amaz	There is me and a friend...
21:29	GhostDoge	Amaz: 590 ms lag isn't bad
21:29	Amaz	I think he's timed out though.
21:29	proller	fm now will have lag 30-50 even with 50 players
21:29	proller	and any slowmods
21:30	Amaz	GhostDoge, nope. It's very good.
21:30	proller	instant inventory and chests!
21:30	shadowzone	I think that Zeno`s patch is very useful
21:30	GhostDoge	> instant
21:30	GhostDoge	that's impossible
21:31	shadowzone	Yeah..IT is
21:31	proller	okay, visual instant
21:31	GhostDoge	unless you use time travel
21:31	y	client-side prediction eh
21:31	proller	without predictiono
21:33	Jordach	proller, stfu https://cdn.mediacru.sh/HgBLP-4uN0I-.png
21:33	Jordach	rtt = -1.0
21:33	Jordach	>Fri Apr 25, 2014 3:23 pm
21:33	Jordach	fak BFD is getting old
21:34	shadowzone	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/cTk76avzJwc0.png <-- that's what it's doing
21:35	ElectronLibre	Just a bug ._. Close the window, then start minetest again.
21:36	shadowzone	Nope still doin' that
21:37	OldCoder	catninja, you should be congratulated
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21:38	shadowzone	Even freeminer is outdated.
21:38	shadowzone	0.4.9
21:39	proller	build it!
21:39	proller	release toooo old
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21:41	shadowzone	But does anyone know how to fix that error?
21:41	shadowzone	Or whatever it is.
21:44	* Fritigern	wishes he could help
21:45	shadowzone	It's okay
21:45	shadowzone	I can maybe talk to VanessaE see if she could help.
21:46	* VanessaE	throws cookies and Nutella at shadowzone
21:46	shadowzone	YAY!
21:46	VanessaE	as for the missing field, no idea at all
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21:47	shadowzone	Okay
21:47	Amaz	Best kind of help there is :D
21:47	shadowzone	I haven't been playing with the code or anything.
21:47	shadowzone	And my sister played it and that's when it disappeared.
21:47	Amaz	What more could be wanted/needed than cookies and nutella?!
21:47	VanessaE	I've never had that happen. worst I've had happen is some minor misalignment of elements
21:47	Amaz	Sisters...
21:47	shadowzone	Yeah.
21:48	VanessaE	Amaz: I also have Krackel bars here (I wanted Symphony but the store was out) and diet mountain dew :)
21:48	shadowzone	I'm the oldest of 6 kids and I have little siblings who enjoy playing Minetest.
21:48	VanessaE	yes, it's a junk food day
21:48	shadowzone	Yuck!
21:48	shadowzone	Diet
21:48	Amaz	:D
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21:48	VanessaE	shadowzone: I can't have the sugar in the soda because it's liquid.
21:49	shadowzone	Oh
21:49	VanessaE	(but the solid forms in the junk food are less egregious)
21:49	shadowzone	Okay...
21:49	shadowzone	But still.
21:49	shadowzone	Diet ain't good for you
21:49	VanessaE	better diet than loaded with HFCS.
21:50	* Amaz	has been really put of saturated fat today...
21:50	shadowzone	True
21:50	shadowzone	And Aspertame
21:50	VanessaE	nothing wrong with sat fat.
21:51	shadowzone	Nope
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21:51	shadowzone	It's trans fat, iirc
21:51	* Amaz	has seen what it does to cholesterol, and what cholesterol leads to, and how a heart attack happens.
21:52	VanessaE	Amaz: yeah, due to excess intake of carbohydrates.
21:52	Amaz	Yep :)
21:53	Amaz	I just learn how a heart attack actually happens... shudder
21:53	Amaz	*learned
21:53	* shadowzone	thinks
21:54	shadowzone	Okay I just tried deleting everything to do with Minetest except for mods, Texture packs and games(minetest_game_minnmle[not sure how to spell that] And Shadow_game) re-git cloned and compiled still the same.
21:56	MinetestForFun	Hi everybody, today i need to change the damage of my mese_monster mob (from a modified version of mobs redo), i've tried the value "damage = 7," but the monster just don't take my value... the damage stay at 1... this mob use the "mobs:register_arrow("mobs:mese_arrow", {" and when i look into the api, i can't tweaks this damage, anybody can help me please ?
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22:20	oOChainLynxOo	!seen Blaxar
22:20	MinetestBot	oOChainLynxOo: Sorry, I haven't seen blaxar around.
22:20	oOChainLynxOo	:(
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22:37	kilbith	someone know a .sh to .bat converter online ?
22:37	oOChainLynxOo	Hmm
22:38	oOChainLynxOo	Hang on
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22:41	oOChainLynxOo	I've come up empty in my search
22:42	oOChainLynxOo	Most people want to convert it the other way around (batch to shell)
22:42	oOChainLynxOo	Afk
22:42	kilbith	nvm, not possible
22:42	kilbith	thx
22:42	y	kilbith: it is possible, both are turing complete
22:43	y	the problem is that you probably rely on external programs
22:43	kilbith	i mean for found an online converter
22:43	kilbith	find*
22:43	y	"both are turing complete" is a crap argument
22:46	WindHero	MinetestForFun
22:46	WindHero	Still looking for help with the mese monster?
22:46	MinetestForFun	y
22:47	y	?
22:47	MinetestForFun	:p
22:47	MinetestForFun	yes i need help for my mese monster :)
22:47	WindHero	to change the damage value of the arrows, change the damage group calues
22:47	WindHero	player:punch(self.object, 1.0, {
22:47	WindHero	full_punch_interval=1.0,
22:47	WindHero	damage_groups = {fleshy=1},
22:47	WindHero	}, {x=s.x-p.x, y=s.y-p.y, z=s.z-p.z})
22:47	MinetestForFun	so flashy=7 ?
22:47	WindHero	yeah
22:47	MinetestForFun	ok, thank you very much :)
22:47	WindHero	try that, should work
22:47	WindHero	np
22:47	MinetestForFun	i try it now
22:48	WindHero	I've been working with mobs so much the last few days... :P
22:48	MinetestForFun	Ahah, a good thing for me :D
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22:59	hawk666	hello need advice on updating my server ?
23:00	hawk666	i have a vps running ubuntu server but want to update to 0.4.10
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23:03	jbitcm-	hello
23:04	jbitcm-	can you help me explain how play minetest
23:06	WindHero	what, like controls or physical gameplay?
23:06	y	you need to use a mouse and a keyboard
23:06	catninja	jbitcm-: http://wiki.minetest.net/Getting_Started
23:07	WindHero	^
23:07	jbitcm-	y: but what is the objective
23:07	LittleJoe	to survive
23:07	y	jbitcm-: it is a sandbox game, the objective is having fun
23:08	RealBadAngel	no, the goal is to have fun
23:08	LittleJoe	I'm guessing you don't play minecraft?
23:08	y	:P rba!
23:08	RealBadAngel	ninjad as usual ;)
23:08	jbitcm-	LittleJoe: this is my firs time using minetest
23:09	LittleJoe	so you have played minecraft?
23:09	jbitcm-	y: and its dificut to me understhand
23:09	y	jbitcm-: in Minetest you can practically "do a lot of things", the one that is fun for you is the actual objetive
23:10	y	you may like to build shiny buildings, so that is why you go to a creative server, where you have 1000 different building blocks
23:10	WindHero	If you want to have a more concrete goal than having fun by building awesome stuff and exploring places...
23:10	WindHero	try a subgame
23:10	oOChainLynxOo	I will be back later guys, closing all programs while exporting in Sony Vegas will speed up the process
23:11	hawk666	I am currently setting up a server on a VPS running Ubuntu 14.04 server. I want to update it to 0.4.10 as it's currently running on 0.4.9 But i can't find a repo for it help ?
23:11	WindHero	cya
23:11	y	get a better computer >:3
23:11	y	\o
23:11	jbitcm-	WindHero: subgame?
23:11	WindHero	https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=15
23:11	jbitcm-	i'm in mac and want to install a mod for practicing or play
23:12	hawk666	anyone ?
23:12	WindHero	I dunno hawk, I don't run a server :P
23:12	y	minetest is based on the a "game" logic, you install games (I can think of carbone and dreambuilder right now), and if you want to change or add stuff, you use mods over it
23:12	y	hawk666: how did you install it?
23:12	WindHero	Look no further than https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=10192, jbitcm
23:15	hawk666	anyone surly someone knows
23:15	y	hawk666: how did you install the actual running server?
23:15	LittleJoe	hawk666: did you try compiling your own from Github?
23:17	hawk666	how do i do that ? last time i got a lib.level.db error
23:18	LittleJoe	idk about any errors or how to avoid them : /
23:18	hawk666	http://wiki.minetest.net/Setting_up_a_server/Debian this is the install i done but in ubuntu and skipping the first
23:19	hawk666	so how do i compile ?
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23:24	WindHero	Have you considered just doing the same process again?
23:24	WindHero	backup the current world
23:25	WindHero	install
23:25	WindHero	then copy it back in?
23:25	WindHero	(Don't take my word as truth without corroboration- this is all hypothesis)
23:25	hawk666	wont work for some reason it will only install 0.4.9
23:25	y	VanessaE: do you know any lisp?
23:26	LittleJoe	all I've compiled is the minetest game idk about an special server stuff
23:26	y	VanessaE: templates are like a f**cked up version of lisp macros
23:29	LittleJoe	this is the source code: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game
23:30	LittleJoe	and there's something to do with cmake . and make
23:30	LittleJoe	that was a long time ago lol
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23:32	WindHero	any luck on the mese monster, mtf?
23:32	WindHero	*mff
23:32	MinetestForFun	i haven't reboot the server yet
23:32	WindHero	kk
23:32	MinetestForFun	i reboot it after a lot of updates :)
23:32	WindHero	xD
23:34	LittleJoe	anybody wanna be an elve : D
23:35	LittleJoe	lord of the test has officially opened
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23:47	VanessaE	y: I don't know lisp, but if a macro there is anything like they were back in my 6502 assembly days, they I get it.
23:48	y	no, it is like a programming language that generates code
23:49	WindHero	isn't it used for AI...?
23:50	WindHero	wait no
23:50	WindHero	I'm thinking of...
23:50	WindHero	yeah, that's right
23:51	WindHero	Lisp is from the late 1950's :P
23:52	y	WindHero: I am talking about the whole Lisp family
23:52	y	lisp changed a lot from 1960 to 2014
23:54	VanessaE	y: that's how macros worked in 6502 also.
23:54	y	oh neat
23:55	VanessaE	though far simpler than what a modern language uses of course
23:55	VanessaE	a few lines and some compiler directives in, hundreds of bytes of code out
23:55	y	all macros do that, but in Lisp you actually have the language itself for generating code
23:55	y	VanessaE: was the macro system "turing-complete"?
23:55	VanessaE	you know, I'm not sure.
23:55	VanessaE	good question.
23:55	kaeza	it's basically a fancy #define <_<
23:55	VanessaE	I don't think anyone ever tried :)
23:55	* kaeza	hides
23:56	y	what is a fancy define?
23:56	y	lisp macros are basically taking code as first-class
23:56	VanessaE	demo coders back in the day loved them for unrolling loops and so on
23:56	y	and letting you run functions that process functions as inputs and return new functions, oh wait, this is functional programming
23:57	VanessaE	yeah no.. 6502 assemblers weren't THAT advanced by comparison :)
23:57	VanessaE	but they were getting pretty good by the time I stopped actively coding
23:58	y	http://xkcd.com/297/
23:58	y	Lisp was too advanced for its time though
23:59	VanessaE	haha
23:59	* VanessaE	throws a few $ and # at y

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