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hisforever |
I just cleared a piece of land now its dark there is there a wat to gring light back to that pice of land? |
| 00:18 |
ShadowNinja |
hisforever: Try //fixlight, //replace air air, or //replace air default:torch followed by //replace default:torch air |
| 00:18 |
ShadowNinja |
(Commands are from WorldEdit) |
| 00:18 |
hisforever |
ty shadow |
| 00:18 |
ShadowNinja |
Also, I should make // escape the forward slash like it does in IRC clients. |
| 00:19 |
ShadowNinja |
So "//status" -> "<singleplayer> /statuus" |
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hisforever |
do I have to set the area with a //p set? |
| 00:19 |
ShadowNinja |
Also gives me a good specific reason why WorldEdit shouldn't use such an absurdly generic namespace. |
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ShadowNinja |
hisforever: Yes. |
| 00:20 |
hisforever |
ok ty |
| 00:20 |
hisforever |
brb in a second |
| 00:20 |
ShadowNinja |
hisforever: Note: Don't do the torch trick if there are players around. If they update the torches you'll siddenly have hindreds of item entities. |
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ShadowNinja |
suddenly have hundreds* |
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hisforever |
I'm in singleplayer |
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hisforever |
Ty shaddow that worked just great :) |
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OldCoder |
Will moretrees appear if added to an existing world? |
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VanessaE |
OldCoder: only in new terrain. you can of course plant the saplings too, they will grow |
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OldCoder |
But must have saplings first, I assume. Thank you. |
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OldCoder |
Any idea anybody where to find the stair_cobble texture? |
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VanessaE |
it should just be the regular cobble texture? |
| 01:06 |
VanessaE |
mods/default/textures/default_cobble.png ? |
| 01:06 |
OldCoder |
alias stair_cobble to default:cobble then? |
| 01:06 |
OldCoder |
I merged a huge set of maps |
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OldCoder |
Ended up with a lot of unknown stuff |
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OldCoder |
Including rats |
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VanessaE |
ah |
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OldCoder |
I thought Redcrab wasn't supposed to have animals |
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VanessaE |
it might be that whole old-nodes issue |
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VanessaE |
the same thing that caused all those unknown nodes int he initial test |
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VanessaE |
remember what Sokomine said? |
| 01:08 |
VanessaE |
I'm guessing it's the same thing again, just with different nodes |
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connor1 |
exit |
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exio4 |
\o hi |
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OldCoder |
exio4 hello4 |
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Zeno` |
exio! |
| 02:17 |
Zeno` |
OldCoder! |
| 02:17 |
Zeno` |
guess that was too much for him |
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exio4 |
zeno! |
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exio4 |
how is it going? |
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Zeno` |
not bad. you? |
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exio4 |
I guess the same |
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Zeno` |
I think I may have the day off coding |
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Zeno` |
Will play games instead heh |
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ThatGraemeGuy |
anyone familiar with ShadowNinja's areas mod? |
| 06:25 |
Miner_48er |
yes |
| 06:26 |
ThatGraemeGuy |
if there are items in a normal (not locked) chest, inside a protected area, can a non-owner remove items from such a chest? |
| 06:26 |
Zeno` |
yes |
| 06:27 |
ThatGraemeGuy |
oh noes :-o |
| 06:27 |
ThatGraemeGuy |
someone has been slowly robbing me |
| 06:28 |
Miner_48er |
yes |
| 06:28 |
Miner_48er |
you could disable that if you wanted |
| 06:30 |
ThatGraemeGuy |
as a player? or as an admin? |
| 06:31 |
ThatGraemeGuy |
I'm playing on VanessaE's server |
| 06:33 |
Zeno` |
I think the easiest way is to make a locked chest and move the stuff |
| 06:33 |
Zeno` |
Only sure way anyway |
| 06:33 |
Zeno` |
Maybe someone could write an "Add a lock to existing chest" mod |
| 06:39 |
Miner_48er |
as the server owner |
| 06:39 |
Miner_48er |
use a locked chest |
| 06:40 |
Miner_48er |
which server? |
| 06:46 |
OldCoder |
Zeno`, Miner_48er here is the current patch: |
| 06:46 |
OldCoder |
http://minetest.org/141019-network.txt |
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OldCoder |
Should I attempt to have this accepted upstream? |
| 06:47 |
OldCoder |
Without it, Minetest is Lockuptest |
| 06:47 |
OldCoder |
x_x <- The game |
| 06:50 |
Zeno` |
the usleep() is definately required? |
| 06:50 |
Zeno` |
that's the only thing I wonder about the patch :) |
| 06:50 |
Miner_48er |
I don't work on the core so I don't know what half of that does |
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OldCoder |
Zeno`, the usleep can be a sleep_ms |
| 07:08 |
OldCoder |
which is provided in the sources |
| 07:09 |
OldCoder |
I feel it's a good idea |
| 07:09 |
OldCoder |
Try the patch yourself |
| 07:09 |
OldCoder |
against latest git |
| 07:09 |
OldCoder |
Should observe no degradation of performance |
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Zeno` |
ok will do |
| 07:11 |
Zeno` |
may as well make a pull request though |
| 07:11 |
Zeno` |
that way others can provide feedback |
| 07:18 |
OldCoder |
Should I make the pull? |
| 07:18 |
OldCoder |
You deserve credit for the core of the patch |
| 07:18 |
OldCoder |
pull request * |
| 07:18 |
OldCoder |
Brief summary of what to do? |
| 07:30 |
Zeno` |
You may make it :) |
| 07:30 |
Zeno` |
I don't need credit for everything I do, lol. I know I helped so that's enough |
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OldCoder |
Brief summary of what to do? |
| 07:37 |
Zeno` |
Oh, make a branch. Apply patch. Push. Then at git hub "compare and pull request" |
| 07:37 |
Zeno` |
You'll have to make a fork of minetest on github first |
| 07:40 |
Zeno` |
Sorry for being slow in answering, OldCoder ... am making dinner :) |
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OldCoder |
Zeno`, dinner does not make you a sinner |
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OldCoder |
Zeno`, do I have permissions needed to create a branch of the main repository? |
| 07:42 |
Zeno` |
lol |
| 07:43 |
Zeno` |
No, but go to git hub minetest page and "fork this repository" |
| 07:43 |
Zeno` |
then when you have shiny new fork, pull that fork and do your changes and branches and stuff in that |
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iqualfragile |
there should be an anti drug campaing against this dangerous jesus drug https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sye6ouZekIc |
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ElectronLibre |
What? O_o |
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Zeno` |
hi PilzAdam |
| 11:09 |
twoelk |
!up 84.181.207.172 30000 |
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twoelk |
hm? |
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reactor |
!up ff:uu:uu:uu:uu:uu:uu |
| 11:13 |
twoelk |
!doge |
| 11:13 |
twoelk |
:-( |
| 11:14 |
twoelk |
is she sulking again? |
| 11:14 |
ElectronLibre |
RIP MinetestBot. |
| 11:15 |
Zeno` |
Somebody insulted her I think |
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twoelk |
what was the ShadowBot command for checking connections? |
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* kilbith |
suggests to rename MinetestBot to C-3PO. |
| 11:18 |
Amaz |
kilbith, +1000000000000000000000000 |
| 11:19 |
* ElectronLibre |
gives kilbith a cookie, and +1*10^Inf |
| 11:20 |
kilbith |
*miam* |
| 11:23 |
Zeno` |
What's with the infinite exponent? |
| 11:23 |
Zeno` |
tetration? |
| 11:23 |
kilbith |
one day we'll have our animated/intelligent r2d2 & c3po in MT |
| 11:23 |
kilbith |
I promise |
| 11:24 |
Amaz |
:D |
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* Amaz |
can't wait! |
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kilbith |
and chewbacca |
| 11:25 |
Amaz |
:D |
| 11:25 |
kilbith |
that 'grroaaww' on punch |
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iqualfragile_ |
!c 3**3 |
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ElectronLibre |
MinetestBot is really dead. |
| 11:28 |
ElectronLibre |
But that's normal, she isn't even connected.. |
| 11:29 |
Amaz |
ShadowBot, help |
| 11:29 |
ShadowBot |
Amaz: help [<plugin>] [<command>] |
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Amaz |
ShadowBot, help all |
| 11:29 |
ShadowBot |
Amaz: Error: There is no command "all". |
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Amaz |
ShadowBot, c 9+9 |
| 11:29 |
ShadowBot |
Amaz: math calc <math expression> |
| 11:29 |
Zeno` |
New BETA client out: https://github.com/Zeno-/minetest/tree/refactor_the_game |
| 11:30 |
Zeno` |
still has lots of work left to do, but it's functional |
| 11:30 |
Amaz |
What is it meant to do? |
| 11:37 |
Zeno` |
The same as the current client but cleaning up the code is "stage1" |
| 11:37 |
Zeno` |
optimising is stage2 |
| 11:38 |
Zeno` |
still on stage1 but it should be slightly faster (or if not the same) already |
| 11:38 |
Zeno` |
and also make the code readable |
| 11:38 |
Amaz |
Okay. |
| 11:38 |
Amaz |
Will you make a pull request when you've done? |
| 11:38 |
Zeno` |
yeah for sure |
| 11:39 |
Zeno` |
probably at the end of the week |
| 11:39 |
Amaz |
Great! |
| 11:39 |
Zeno` |
I need testers though :) |
| 11:39 |
Amaz |
Okay, I'll do that in a bit :D |
| 11:41 |
Zeno` |
Thanks :) I'll keep updating over the next few days |
| 11:42 |
Amaz |
Great! Are there any changes I should expect to see? |
| 11:49 |
Zeno` |
I hope not... if you do notice anything different please let me know |
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Zeno` |
stage1 is just to get it to a stage where things can be more easily optimised |
| 11:49 |
ElectronLibre |
She is back! \o/ |
| 11:50 |
ElectronLibre |
Hello MinetestBot |
| 11:50 |
MinetestBot |
Hello ElectronLibre. |
| 11:50 |
Zeno` |
That said, it does run faster on my computer |
| 11:50 |
Zeno` |
You probably won't notice it though :( |
| 11:50 |
twoelk |
hello MinetestBot |
| 11:50 |
MinetestBot |
Hi twoelk. |
| 11:51 |
twoelk |
hehelongtimnosee |
| 11:51 |
Zeno` |
I need to know if: a) it runs slower for anybody; and b) if it does anything unexpected |
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sfan5 |
Zeno`: looks like astyle put spaces somewhere |
| 11:51 |
twoelk |
is running faster unexpected? |
| 11:52 |
twoelk |
!up 84.181.207.172 30000 |
| 11:52 |
MinetestBot |
84.181.207.172:30000 seems to be down |
| 11:52 |
twoelk |
:-( |
| 11:52 |
Amaz |
runs slower = less fps ? |
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twoelk |
Amaz: less fps does not include lag |
| 11:53 |
Zeno` |
yes, ignore lag |
| 11:53 |
Amaz |
Okay. |
| 11:53 |
Zeno` |
although that should not be affected at all |
| 11:54 |
Amaz |
So, how do I tell if it's slower? |
| 11:54 |
Zeno` |
sfan5, yeah it did... I'll worry about that at the end |
| 11:54 |
Zeno` |
Amaz, gut feeling I guess |
| 11:54 |
Zeno` |
or watch FPS |
| 11:54 |
Amaz |
Okay. |
| 11:55 |
Zeno` |
or the graphs (the profile info to debug.txt I'll add back tomorrow) |
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jojoa1997 |
hello |
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ElectronLibre |
Hello jojoa1997. |
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ninnghazad |
sooo, pull request only from core-devs and buddies or what? 101 open?! |
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Zeno` |
sfan5, and yeah... functions make it faster ;) |
| 12:00 |
Zeno` |
(fewer cache misses) |
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jojoa1997 |
D: |
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jojoa1997 |
My teacher is now going over While loops, which I already know, it is so boring |
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nyuszika7h |
jojoa1997: what does this code do: |
| 12:03 |
nyuszika7h |
do { print("hello"); } while (false); |
| 12:03 |
nyuszika7h |
(that's pseudocode) |
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jojoa1997 |
idk yet |
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jojoa1997 |
All I know is I already taught myself loop and he is teaching it. And his teaching of new code is boring. |
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jojoa1997 |
I need to stop teaching myself stuff before he teaches it XD |
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Zeno` |
do {} while (!printf("hello\n")); |
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kilbith |
damn, walking dead s05 is hardcore |
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MinetestBot |
[git] kahrl -> minetest/minetest: Fix some indentation in nodedef.cpp 9029a34 http://git.io/mfBkrw (2014-10-20T16:11:38+02:00) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] kahrl -> minetest/minetest: Fix memory leak caused by mesh nodes (and nodeboxes) ae375cc http://git.io/n-s43Q (2014-10-20T16:11:00+02:00) |
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Brains |
Figured out why technic's uranium dust doesn't sort properly in the chests... It sorts by name and the names are a bit odd. (ex 0.0% uranium dust is uranium0_dust, 0.7% is uranium_dust, and 3.5% is uranium35_dust.) |
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* Brains |
just smacked a copy of unified_inventory's get_desc into the sort_inventory for a first pass. Renaming the items probably would be a better idea though. |
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* gloop |
throws kittens around |
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* Sokomine |
catches the kittens and stores them for later usage |
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* shadowzone |
catches a kitten |
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shadowzone |
Thanks, gloop :P |
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* Zeno` |
makes a kitty sandwich |
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shadowzone |
Alf! :3 |
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* PenguinDad |
catches a kitten and animefies it :P |
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* sfan5 |
meows at gloop |
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Zeno` |
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110128060130/alf/images/9/92/Cat_sandwich.jpg |
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shadowzone |
sfan5 is like "HEY, I'm right here" |
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Zeno` |
nom nom nom |
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Zeno` |
I love cats... /me takes all the spare ones |
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* n4x |
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* sfan5 |
cats n4x |
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Zeno` |
fortunately most gasses are lighter than air and it did not damage |
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Zeno` |
nice visual effects though! |
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* Zeno` |
looks at Sokomine |
| 15:05 |
* n4x |
looks at the C4 on his chest |
| 15:05 |
n4x |
Zeno`: sorry, what did you say? |
| 15:05 |
n4x |
want a hug? |
| 15:05 |
* sfan5 |
tells n4x not to be a mean exio4 |
| 15:05 |
* Zeno` |
hugs n4x |
| 15:06 |
n4x |
sfan5: I am a terrorist exio |
| 15:06 |
n4x |
now the NSA is looking at me, isn't it? |
| 15:06 |
sfan5 |
n4x: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC |
| 15:06 |
VanessaE |
eh... |
| 15:06 |
Zeno` |
dunno what NASA has to do with cats |
| 15:06 |
sfan5 |
n4x: ur mean |
| 15:06 |
sfan5 |
n4x: don't be like axew |
| 15:07 |
n4x |
don't be like sfan5 |
| 15:07 |
n4x |
ftfy |
| 15:07 |
* Zeno` |
stares blankly at VanessaE |
| 15:07 |
VanessaE |
that's a hell of a thing to join into ... |
| 15:07 |
sfan5 |
n4x: I'm cat |
| 15:07 |
n4x |
a mean cat |
| 15:07 |
n4x |
algebraic mean |
| 15:07 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 15:07 |
OldCoder |
as opposed to hostile |
| 15:07 |
* n4x |
takes sfan5's first derivative |
| 15:08 |
OldCoder |
sfan5, MeowTest has IRC now |
| 15:08 |
OldCoder |
Cat slope |
| 15:08 |
* Zeno` |
gives OldCoder default:stone |
| 15:08 |
PenguinDad |
Oh no where did all the go? |
| 15:08 |
* OldCoder |
is confused |
| 15:08 |
* n4x |
integrates sfan5 again |
| 15:08 |
PenguinDad |
+ coefficients |
| 15:08 |
n4x |
sfan5+C |
| 15:08 |
OldCoder |
cat curve area |
| 15:08 |
OldCoder |
cats have slopes and curves |
| 15:08 |
sfan5 |
OldCoder: thats good |
| 15:09 |
Zeno` |
cats have 9 lives |
| 15:09 |
sfan5 |
n4x: sqrt(exio4) |
| 15:09 |
OldCoder |
sfan5, added ShadowNinja name restrict mod. Some players will report can't get in. To be discussed. |
| 15:09 |
n4x |
sfan5: exio4 |
| 15:09 |
sfan5 |
I already have the no_guests mod |
| 15:09 |
n4x |
sfan5: ex4io4 |
| 15:09 |
OldCoder |
cats have 9 lives sqrt (9) is three see cats are there for you and me |
| 15:09 |
Zeno` |
3 is a prime number! |
| 15:09 |
n4x |
I am a complex exio4 |
| 15:10 |
Zeno` |
this is something deep |
| 15:10 |
n4x |
Zeno`: half life 3 confirmed |
| 15:10 |
OldCoder |
sfan5, I know. His mod adds some important checks or you would see no difference. |
| 15:10 |
OldCoder |
cats are prime |
| 15:10 |
Zeno` |
hahah n4x |
| 15:10 |
Zeno` |
I do wish that game would be released though |
| 15:10 |
n4x |
also, OldCoder is an illuminati |
| 15:10 |
Zeno` |
It's kind of becoming the new duke nukem forever |
| 15:10 |
OldCoder |
For example, a fundamental issue in MT names is that they are case sensitive |
| 15:10 |
OldCoder |
Zz |
| 15:10 |
* OldCoder |
dozes and dreams of roses |
| 15:10 |
sfan5 |
Zeno`: 3 is also the number of objects our brain can recognize without counting them |
| 15:11 |
OldCoder |
1, 2, 3, many |
| 15:11 |
n4x |
my brain can't recognize more than zero objects without counting |
| 15:11 |
Zeno` |
sfan5, speak for yourself! I can recognise only 1 |
| 15:11 |
OldCoder |
1 is a ton of fun |
| 15:11 |
sfan5 |
1 cat is fun |
| 15:11 |
OldCoder |
sfan5, I believe I have the deadly lockup fixed |
| 15:11 |
n4x |
sfan5 isn't fun |
| 15:11 |
sfan5 |
but I don't have a cat :( |
| 15:11 |
Zeno` |
I have a cat in a hat |
| 15:11 |
OldCoder |
cat in the hat is all that |
| 15:12 |
n4x |
I don't have any pet |
| 15:12 |
OldCoder |
sfan5, people the patch ought to use |
| 15:12 |
OldCoder |
Else MT is on a short fuse |
| 15:12 |
OldCoder |
http://minetest.org/141019-network.txt |
| 15:12 |
n4x |
they would die, I don't even remember to cook my own food |
| 15:12 |
n4x |
"damn, I am hungry, oh.. I didn't eat" |
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sfan5 |
n4x: do they even have "pets" in argentina? |
| 15:12 |
Zeno` |
most bizarre |
| 15:12 |
* OldCoder |
did that with water once |
| 15:12 |
n4x |
sfan5: what? |
| 15:13 |
sfan5 |
n4x: meow |
| 15:13 |
sfan5 |
if (k->resend_count > 4) { |
| 15:13 |
sfan5 |
+ peer->forceTimeout(); |
| 15:13 |
sfan5 |
well thats an easy fix |
| 15:13 |
n4x |
sfan5: are you a female or male cat |
| 15:13 |
n4x |
inb4 trans |
| 15:13 |
sfan5 |
it doesn't fix the actual problem |
| 15:13 |
sfan5 |
but it works |
| 15:13 |
sfan5 |
n4x: make cat |
| 15:13 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 15:13 |
sfan5 |
male* |
| 15:14 |
n4x |
sfan5: that would suck |
| 15:14 |
sfan5 |
2/usr/bin/make4me |
| 15:14 |
Zeno` |
what's the actual problem? |
| 15:14 |
PenguinDad |
make: *** No rule to make target 'cat'. Schluss. :( |
| 15:14 |
sfan5 |
Zeno`: some bug in connection.cpp |
| 15:14 |
n4x |
is schluss a lovely way to say tschüss |
| 15:14 |
Zeno` |
right... |
| 15:14 |
sfan5 |
n4x: no |
| 15:14 |
Zeno` |
and booting them off doesn't solve it? |
| 15:15 |
sfan5 |
it means "End(ing)." |
| 15:15 |
sfan5 |
OldCoder: setting RESEND_TIMEOUT_MIN to 1.5 doesn't seem a good idea |
| 15:16 |
sfan5 |
OldCoder: that any action whose packet is lost takes at least 1.5 to get re-sent |
| 15:16 |
sfan5 |
+seconds |
| 15:16 |
sfan5 |
+means |
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| 15:18 |
realtinymonster |
it turns out that my drivers had no problems what so ever |
| 15:18 |
realtinymonster |
but windows update broke them |
| 15:18 |
sfan5 |
ew windows |
| 15:18 |
realtinymonster |
its funny that I didn't think of that before |
| 15:18 |
realtinymonster |
because I used to have to reinstall my other graphics cards drivers about every month because of windows update breaking them |
| 15:18 |
realtinymonster |
but not this badly |
| 15:18 |
realtinymonster |
sfan5: I wish I could stop using it |
| 15:18 |
realtinymonster |
I really do |
| 15:18 |
sfan5 |
use linux |
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sfan5 |
case closed. |
| 15:19 |
Zeno` |
what's wrong with BSD? |
| 15:19 |
realtinymonster |
sfan5: not until Unturned is ported to linux |
| 15:19 |
realtinymonster |
Zeno`: nothing |
| 15:19 |
sfan5 |
heard of wine? |
| 15:19 |
n4x |
wine sucks |
| 15:19 |
Zeno` |
yeah, I like to whine |
| 15:19 |
realtinymonster |
sfan5: doesn't work properly |
| 15:19 |
realtinymonster |
n4x: +1 |
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sfan5 |
you sure? |
| 15:19 |
realtinymonster |
yep |
| 15:20 |
realtinymonster |
tried it |
| 15:20 |
realtinymonster |
as well as Audiosurf |
| 15:20 |
n4x |
wine is for small things, |
| 15:20 |
realtinymonster |
never again |
| 15:20 |
n4x |
I would end using a VM if I had to use windows apps |
| 15:20 |
realtinymonster |
Audiosurf in WINE killed X every time I tried to start it |
| 15:20 |
sfan5 |
realtinymonster: works for me |
| 15:20 |
n4x |
Audiosurf works for you? |
| 15:21 |
sfan5 |
n4x: a VM is too slow for games |
| 15:21 |
n4x |
sfan5: vga passthru |
| 15:21 |
realtinymonster |
sfan5: WINE is too slow for games |
| 15:21 |
n4x |
problem solved... |
| 15:21 |
sfan5 |
realtinymonster: nope |
| 15:21 |
sfan5 |
n4x: what? |
| 15:21 |
sfan5 |
oh |
| 15:21 |
sfan5 |
you mean that |
| 15:21 |
sfan5 |
that might work |
| 15:21 |
n4x |
VGA passthrough |
| 15:22 |
n4x |
I need to use the old GPU I have here for testing this crap |
| 15:23 |
realtinymonster |
sfan5: and even if, linux is barely suitable for gaming |
| 15:23 |
* sfan5 |
graphically processes n4x in an unit |
| 15:23 |
n4x |
linux is good enough |
| 15:23 |
sfan5 |
realtinymonster: [citation needed] |
| 15:23 |
sfan5 |
BSD is barely suitable for gaming |
| 15:24 |
realtinymonster |
sfan5: the reason I say barely suitable is because steam for linux |
| 15:24 |
sfan5 |
uh |
| 15:24 |
sfan5 |
what? |
| 15:24 |
n4x |
realtinymonster: that isn't a problem of linux |
| 15:24 |
sfan5 |
steam for linux works perfectly |
| 15:24 |
n4x |
but companies making games for a plataform |
| 15:24 |
n4x |
also that, at least the games I won |
| 15:24 |
sfan5 |
"plataform" now with 125% more platform |
| 15:24 |
sfan5 |
^ n4x |
| 15:24 |
n4x |
lol |
| 15:24 |
realtinymonster |
lol |
| 15:25 |
n4x |
I keep mixing spanish and english |
| 15:25 |
n4x |
was reading something in spanish a little ago |
| 15:25 |
realtinymonster |
ah |
| 15:26 |
* realtinymonster |
is screwed unless microsoft releases updates to fix his graphics card |
| 15:26 |
sfan5 |
you still didn't explain why linux is unsuitable for gaming |
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| 15:28 |
coagen |
guys and gals, if you're like me you're trying to escape the menace of systemd on linux |
| 15:28 |
gravgun |
Linux *is |
| 15:28 |
gravgun |
good* |
| 15:28 |
coagen |
for this task I recommend: https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=7jkrovos7pkpg9hmjnis2ccus5&topic=16177.0 |
| 15:28 |
Zeno` |
oh noes... a systemd debate :D |
| 15:28 |
sfan5 |
yay systemd |
| 15:28 |
gravgun |
systemd whining thread? |
| 15:28 |
gravgun |
Yeaaaa |
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| 15:29 |
Zeno` |
anyway, vim is best |
| 15:29 |
coagen |
systemd is bad m'kay? and manjaro+open-rc are here to save you |
| 15:29 |
gravgun |
emacs! </troll> |
| 15:29 |
coagen |
see the iso above |
| 15:29 |
Zeno` |
hehehe |
| 15:29 |
gravgun |
Actually i'm such a vi noob I use GNU nano |
| 15:29 |
* sfan5 |
meows at coagen |
| 15:29 |
Zeno` |
nano is ok as well because Mork from Mork and Mindy used it... nanooo nanooo |
| 15:30 |
coagen |
there are a couple of tweaks to be made to make X work properly and to add tmpfs to fstab, but other than that I am so happy with manjaro+open-rc! :) |
| 15:30 |
coagen |
if you have any questions about it feel free to msg me, I'll shut up about this now :) |
| 15:30 |
gravgun |
Wait coagen, you're telling they have no default /tmp? |
| 15:30 |
gravgun |
Heretics, they are. |
| 15:31 |
coagen |
gravgun: it has been absorbd into the infection |
| 15:31 |
gravgun |
Nuuuuuuu |
| 15:31 |
gravgun |
systemd-tmpfsd |
| 15:31 |
gravgun |
:( |
| 15:31 |
coagen |
hi sfan5 :) |
| 15:31 |
sfan5 |
hi |
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| 15:34 |
Brains |
Man, did I miss a systemd kerfluffle? |
| 15:35 |
coagen |
Brains: i'm trying to be nice and not oboxious |
| 15:36 |
Brains |
coagen: While I'm not personally a systemd fan, I suspect that 'menace' might be considered a pejorative description... *chuckle* |
| 15:37 |
coagen |
Brains: I used "menace" and "infection", its about as nice as I can get about the subject ;P |
| 15:38 |
Brains |
lol, I missed the infection one on the first read. |
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coagen |
Brains: everytime I hear/read the word systemd, I picture the demons in the old doom games, the bydo in r-type, etc |
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* realtinymonster |
has no idea what systemd is |
| 15:44 |
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gravgun |
coagen: systemd is a virus anyway :P |
| 15:45 |
Hobodium |
coagen: is that onyl for systemd or for any daemon? |
| 15:45 |
coagen |
realtinymonster: BE AFRAID! VERY AFRAID! |
| 15:45 |
coagen |
gravgun: ^5 yo |
| 15:46 |
realtinymonster |
coagen: why? |
| 15:46 |
coagen |
Hobodium: just systemd |
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| 15:47 |
Brains |
realtinymonster: If you don't know, you probably shouldn't really worry about it... It'll be worked out by the folks in the technical area in question. (Just like you probably don't worry about python ABIs or kernel subsystems or whatnot.) |
| 15:47 |
basxto |
I don’t even know how to suspend without systemd :o |
| 15:47 |
n4x |
systemd? |
| 15:48 |
n4x |
gravgun \o/ coagen |
| 15:49 |
n4x |
some concepts of systemd are nice, the problem is that they have a "not invented here" problem with everything they see :( |
| 15:49 |
realtinymonster |
Brains: Ok, I trust you |
| 15:49 |
Brains |
realtinymonster: If you don't know me, you probably shouldn't trust me... |
| 15:49 |
realtinymonster |
VargaD has hungarian ISP |
| 15:50 |
PenguinDad |
Are the people in hungary hungry? |
| 15:51 |
realtinymonster |
PenguinDad: yep, :D, i'll never get tired of answering that question |
| 15:51 |
VargaD |
very funny PenguinDad |
| 15:52 |
* realtinymonster |
is of Hungarian origins |
| 15:52 |
PenguinDad |
VargaD: I know that it's a bad pun |
| 15:52 |
gravgun |
n4x, coagen: was kidding about systemd = virus. Though I really dislike the fact that it "ate" (and still "eats") other inependent projects, mainly udev. basxto: " echo "mem" > /sys/power/state" " |
| 15:53 |
PenguinDad |
It ate basxto? |
| 15:53 |
gravgun |
x) no |
| 15:54 |
realtinymonster |
OldCoder: PM please |
| 15:54 |
n4x |
/sys/power is the best place in /sys, after /sys/class/backlight |
| 15:56 |
* realtinymonster |
should leave |
| 15:56 |
VargaD |
I'm from Hungary as most people with Hungarian ISP |
| 15:56 |
realtinymonster |
VargaD: makes sense |
| 15:57 |
gravgun |
n4x: so true. Sysfs rocks in general |
| 15:59 |
* realtinymonster |
realizes that he forgot to include wget in CCP |
| 16:00 |
realtinymonster |
also, what is port 443 used for? |
| 16:00 |
Brains |
grep 443 /etc/services |
| 16:00 |
Brains |
https 443/tcp # MCom |
| 16:00 |
Brains |
https 443/udp |
| 16:01 |
iqualfragile |
wtf? hahtetepehes udp? |
| 16:02 |
Brains |
Yeah, I thought that was a bit odd but it might just be them assigning both just to avoid confusion. |
| 16:03 |
Brains |
Looks like SMTP and SSH both do the same thing. |
| 16:03 |
Brains |
Heck even 587 has both tcp and udp for submission. |
| 16:03 |
Zeno` |
443 is normally https:// isn't it? |
| 16:04 |
Zeno` |
nvm, I am tired |
| 16:04 |
Zeno` |
night all |
| 16:04 |
Brains |
Zeno`: Well, 443 is the port for https but I believe that you can specify a port in the URI so not all https:// will go to 443, that is just the default port. |
| 16:05 |
* Brains |
likes his 'it depends' answers. They just feel better. |
| 16:07 |
gravgun |
Brains: I like setting up webservers with a hidden http://abc.xyz:1337/ address, just to break the SSL cerfificate |
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gravgun |
https* |
| 16:07 |
* gravgun |
lies |
| 16:08 |
* gravgun |
owns no web server whatsoever |
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rubenwardy |
Hi all! |
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Krock |
meow.- |
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realtinymonster |
Hi RealBadAngel |
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RealBadAngel |
hi |
| 16:56 |
realtinymonster |
how are you? |
| 16:56 |
shadowzone |
hi |
| 16:57 |
RealBadAngel |
just fine |
| 17:00 |
Krock |
wut? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=10418 |
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basxto |
gravgun: I don’t have the neccesary rights to that with my normal user |
| 17:03 |
gravgun |
basxto: you need root access |
| 17:04 |
basxto |
doesn’t make sense for me |
| 17:05 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 17:07 |
basxto |
especially when I need to suspend my laptop in hurry |
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Brains |
basxto: Not every user should have the permissions to shutdown the hardware... (I suppose you could argue about physical access but then we don't really have a way to programmatically tell how much physical access a user has...) |
| 17:19 |
gravgun |
basxto, Brains: the command I provided is how systemd suspends the computer actually (well, not in (ba)sh, in C, but it's the same way) |
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basxto |
but I can use systemctl suspend with my normal user o.O |
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basxto |
Brains: that’s why I would use groups for that … and a power group exists, but does not affect this |
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* Brains |
hasn't bothered to set up suspend on his machines at the moment or he'd go take a look. |
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Krock |
http://i.imgur.com/bihqMt5.png |
| 17:26 |
hoodedice |
Krock: neat |
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Krock |
:) |
| 17:27 |
PenguinDad |
Krock: is that mgv45? |
| 17:27 |
Krock |
PenguinDad, mgvkrock |
| 17:27 |
basxto |
would make a great hidden cave-house |
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PenguinDad |
s/mgv45/mgv5/ |
| 17:30 |
Krock |
PenguinDad, 2230 letters, 91 lines, a lua mapgen, using a single 3d-noise |
| 17:31 |
PenguinDad |
How about 6D noise? :P |
| 17:31 |
Amaz |
No number?! |
| 17:31 |
Amaz |
;P |
| 17:31 |
Amaz |
*numbers |
| 17:32 |
Krock |
Amaz, numbers and letters |
| 17:32 |
Krock |
PenguinDad, draw me a 6D-world |
| 17:33 |
Amaz |
XD |
| 17:33 |
PenguinDad |
Krock: Sorry I'm programmer therefore I can't draw |
| 17:34 |
Krock |
.. |
| 17:34 |
Krock |
hmm I'm getting visible spaces between nodes without fsaa |
| 17:34 |
Krock |
..setting |
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hoodedice |
> I'm programmer therefore I can't draw |
| 17:35 |
Krock |
PenguinDad, show me your skills. |
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PenguinDad |
Krock: But I already sold them on ebay for 1$ :( |
| 17:41 |
Krock |
PenguinDad, reminds me to the offer, where someone sold an used match |
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| 17:42 |
Krock |
"Only used once, seems to be broken now" "Maybe interesting for geeks" |
| 17:42 |
* PenguinDad |
throws one red paperclip at Krock |
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rubenwardy |
6D noise doesnt mean 6D world. |
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rubenwardy |
But is pointless |
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Krock |
it would be possible to make a 6d noise |
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PenguinDad |
It begins to get really funny with 1337D noise :P |
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rubenwardy |
Awesome http://youtu.be/Ep5KJ3aUGFk?t=38s |
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rubenwardy |
!title |
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MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: irrlicht particle collision5 - YouTube |
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rubenwardy |
(for Minetest) |
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Krock |
poor rainbows |
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Calinou |
https://mediacru.sh/1a6bae839b92 → all new Carbone textures |
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Krock |
dasert sand looks so.. new |
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Krock |
well, the snow side texture looks a bit.. leveled |
| 18:17 |
Krock |
and the nyan cat makes 90° rotated rainbows 0.0 |
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Calinou |
the rainbow isn't always rotated the right way |
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Calinou |
Krock, I know you like long side textures :D |
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Calinou |
I find them OK, as long as they are not too long |
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PenguinDad |
desert stone is too yellow for me :/ |
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Calinou |
gameplay-wise, it is good if you can see if dirt has grass or snow on it, without having to climb up |
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Sokomine |
hmm...might have been too much digging going on below this poor house: https://mediacru.sh/R0wSRT-vXQtN |
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Calinou |
Sokomine, same font settings as me :D but weaker shadow |
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Calinou |
I use shadow 1.0 |
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Calinou |
easy to read almost everywhere |
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Jordach |
Sokomine, there's always one mapgen fail |
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Jordach |
like that time i got that one block large soapstone hill biome |
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Calinou |
91 node-deep ocean with mgv5 |
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Sokomine |
Calinou: Sol advertised that font. i tried it and it looked better than the one i had before. how can shadow be configured? |
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Calinou |
95 |
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sfan5 |
96 |
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Jordach |
69 |
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sfan5 |
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
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Sokomine |
Jordach: right, but currently there are a bit more failures. i'm trying to get something to work. nore told me how to do it in principle, but it needs finetuning for my purpose |
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Calinou |
Sokomine, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8605287/ |
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Jordach |
https://imgur.com/gallery/NWX6g |
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Sokomine |
Calinou: thanks! that might help if the background is not exactly fitting |
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Sokomine |
Jordach: i don't quite get that |
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Jordach |
>Disney rendered its new animated film on a 55,000-core supercomputer |
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Jordach |
mfw when using 4 cores for blender |
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sfan5 |
>getting about 40KB/s from youtube servers |
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sfan5 |
>wat |
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Jordach |
hm |
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Jordach |
GitLab looks suspiciously like GitHub |
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sfan5 |
hm |
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sfan5 |
wait wut |
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Calinou |
yes, quite intended |
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sfan5 |
>only 300KB/s |
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Calinou |
Sokomine, sadly you can't have an outline, just a shadow |
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sfan5 |
wtf is wrong with my connection |
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sfan5 |
telekom pls http://www.speedtest.net/result/3846608799.png |
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sfan5 |
>grade: F+ |
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sfan5 |
gg |
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sfan5 |
ARE THEY FUCKING KIDDING? |
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sfan5 |
wat |
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sfan5 |
throttling youtube connections |
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sfan5 |
wat |
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Calinou |
I've had grades F too |
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sfan5 |
ISP pls |
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Calinou |
some French ISPs do that |
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sfan5 |
proxying the YT traffic through servers.minetest.net gets me full 1MB/s speeds |
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iqualfragile |
sfan5: telekom throtles everything |
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iqualfragile |
its not even subtile |
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iqualfragile |
its real hardcore throtling |
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sfan5 |
they don't throttle torrent |
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iqualfragile |
in berlin you have a better connection to youtube if you are using the freifunk net |
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sfan5 |
but I'm not in berlin |
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iqualfragile |
sfan5: because they are incompetent and its too hard |
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iqualfragile |
sfan5: switch to netcologne |
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sfan5 |
I'm not in cologne either |
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iqualfragile |
oh, your speed test said so |
| 19:24 |
sfan5 |
no |
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sfan5 |
that was the server it used |
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Amaz |
Watching youtube videos through servers.minetest.net?!?! Now I've heard it all! |
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Calinou |
great, now servers.minetest.net is also sfan5's proxy |
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sfan5 |
uh no |
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Jordach |
http://www.speedtest.net/result/3846643997.png u wot m9 |
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shadowzone |
Lol |
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sfan5 |
Jordach: u wot m8 http://www.speedtest.net/result/3846647845.png (servers.minetest.net) |
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Jordach |
sfan5, u wot m8 |
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Jordach |
1v1 OpenRA |
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sfan5 |
meow |
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proller |
Jordach, you lock freeminer topic ? |
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Jordach |
proller, i may or may not be undermining it |
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Jordach |
xyz is being disconnected from forum hostings soon |
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sfan5 |
^ wat |
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proller |
why you still have admin privs ? |
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shadowzone |
http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3846650445 <-- u wot m8 |
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Jordach |
proller, because i'm busy with lift |
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sfan5 |
Jordach doesn't have admin priv |
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Jordach |
life |
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proller |
sfan5, somebody locks https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=7864 |
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proller |
now already unlocked |
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sfan5 |
I'm aware |
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Jordach |
proller, and why the fuck do you have a developer tag |
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Jordach |
you're not even a core dev anymore |
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Amaz |
XD |
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Amaz |
One could say that he is an apostate core dev :P |
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Jordach |
with punBB at least i could set custom usertags |
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Jordach |
and groups |
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Amaz |
Can't you do that any more? |
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Jordach |
nope |
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Jordach |
bs group perms |
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Amaz |
:( |
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Jordach |
because PHP, $5 SQL injectors |
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proller |
Jordach, cry about it. |
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Jordach |
proller, ShadowNinja isn't a lagminer apologist |
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Jordach |
and you're muted according to said banlist |
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proller |
nooQ |
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proller |
cry about it too |
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Jordach |
!mute proller |
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Amaz |
:D |
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cities |
why can't we all just get along |
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Jordach |
logs: many instances |
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Jordach |
reasons: trolling |
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cities |
ok |
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* Jordach |
wonders where WindHero went |
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hisforeverkid |
Hi my friends |
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Amaz |
Jordach, I think he is at collage... |
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Jordach |
aye |
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Jordach |
>3 years playing Minetest |
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Jordach |
>still no form of achievement for such time wasted |
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hisforeverkid |
Whats VanessaE webpage for her server ? |
| 19:51 |
shadowzone |
digitalaudioconcepts.com |
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Jordach |
http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/stats.html |
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hisforeverkid |
ty |
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PenguinDad |
Jordach: I think the winds blew him away |
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shadowzone |
Okay...there goes proller. |
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Calinou |
<sfan5> I'm not in cologne either |
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Calinou |
I read “I'm not on cologne†|
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Calinou |
(here, “eau de cologne†is some kind of alcohol) |
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sfan5 |
o.o |
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iqualfragile |
Calinou: its a smell |
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sfan5 |
o.o |
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sfan5 |
ah there it is |
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Jordach |
Calinou, send me a bottle pl0x |
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sfan5 |
Jordach: y u no go to france? |
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Jordach |
i'd rather Okotoberfest |
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sfan5 |
lol |
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iqualfragile |
hello shadowzone |
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hisforeverkid |
is thee anyone that is using VanessaE's server and can tell me how to clame a piece or land? |
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iqualfragile |
hisforeverkid: i guess VanessaE is |
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VanessaE |
hisforeverkid: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8364 <-- look under "Land Ownership" |
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kaeza |
greetings |
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VanessaE |
hey |
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Cylus |
Hello VanessaE, john_minetest! |
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Cylus |
john_minetest: Is there a Windows 10 now? |
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Cylus |
I guess 8.1 took the place of 9. Huh. That still seems very odd to skip 9. |
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Cylus |
Lovely. Gotta' love those spy features. |
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PilzAdam |
windows now has features that gnome had since 20 years! |
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* Cylus |
is jealous that his Debian install isn't packed with DRM and spy features |
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PilzAdam |
what an improvement! |
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PilzAdam |
truly leading OS here |
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VanessaE |
actually they skipped 9 because they expect old software to have problems. |
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Cylus |
PilzAdam: It does? Nice! |
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kaeza |
MS counts in base 9</oldjoke> |
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VanessaE |
particularly old software that tries to detect the version of windows by looking at the version string and finding "windows 9*" in it. |
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PilzAdam |
Cylus, multiple virtual desktops, to be precise |
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PilzAdam |
every linux DE I know of has this since forever |
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Jordach |
heck i even liked this version of windows |
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Jordach |
and after using the partial mess known as 8.0 |
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Jordach |
it isn't that bad |
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Jordach |
in fact I noticed in a VM it started faster than the host |
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Jordach |
which is bullshit |
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Jordach |
VM Ware Workstation 10 |
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Calinou |
http://paste.ubuntu.com/8606532/ |
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kaeza |
inb4 VM crashed |
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Calinou |
I added setting reminders in console in Carbone |
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Cylus |
PilzAdam: You mean Windows users have been working with only a single desktop this whole time? Sad. |
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iqualfragile |
i think nodetest has a cool concept |
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iqualfragile |
john_minetest: im sure you can configure that |
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zat |
I have been trying minecraft for two days |
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zat |
I didnt expect it would so bore me |
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PilzAdam |
zat, ask Microsoft for a refund |
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kaeza |
why do you think it was boring? (honest question) |
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zat |
PilzAdam: they wont refund 0 |
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zat |
kaeza: the only fun thing was hostile mobs and arrows |
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zat |
the interface seems more polished |
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zat |
other than those, the demo doesnt look more attractive than minetest |
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ShadowNinja |
I have MCPE now, and I found that mobs made the game a lot more playable. |
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ShadowNinja |
As a game that is. |
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ShadowNinja |
MCPE also has a much better Android UI. |
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zat |
ShadowNinja: whats MCPE? |
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ShadowNinja |
It's also a lot fater at rendering. Minetest's node highlighting is better though IMO. :-) |
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ShadowNinja |
zat: MineCraft Pocet Edition (MC4Android affectively) |
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kaeza |
^ |
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ShadowNinja |
Pocket* effectively* |
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kaeza |
I get more FPS with MC than MT, for roughly the same draw distance |
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zat |
kaeza: me too |
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kaeza |
in MC, my view range is 5-6 chunks at ~30 FPS; MT, with 80 nodes, ~10 FPS |
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kaeza |
if even that |
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ShadowNinja |
Possibly due to high-end features like VBO? Or is Minetest just slower now? |
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FreeFull |
I bet irrlicht hasn't been optimised for mobile devices |
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ShadowNinja |
Also, MCPE != MC. MCPE was written from scratch in C++ bacause Java was too slow (oh, yes, I see how Java is so much more portable. :-P). |
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kaeza |
it used to be faster back in 0.4.{4,5} (even with texture atlas disabled) |
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* cities |
enjoys MC pocket edition |
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kaeza |
not really sure when this performance loss began |
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cities |
my minecraft on PC acts better |
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cities |
I don't know if im just not used to minetest... |
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PilzAdam |
ShadowNinja, a language isn't slow |
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PilzAdam |
the code you write for it is |
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ShadowNinja |
PilzAdam: Higher-level languages have more overhead. |
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PilzAdam |
there are cases where java even runs faster than c |
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ShadowNinja |
PilzAdam: Sure, but you can probably change the C code to take advantage of optimizations that Java is automatically making. But lets not start an argument about something as trivial as this. |
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kaeza |
yeah, we should be bashing emacs |
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PilzAdam |
you could say that your jvm is slow |
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ShadowNinja |
PilzAdam: Could Minetest be changed to use VBO well without an enormous rewrite? |
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PilzAdam |
yes, but it leaks memory |
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ShadowNinja |
PilzAdam: I mean could those memory leaks be fixed? |
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PilzAdam |
so depends on your definition of "well" ;-) |
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ShadowNinja |
john_minetest: It's actually quite good. |
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ShadowNinja |
For an android port of a PC game at least. |
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PilzAdam |
ShadowNinja, as far as I remember it was something about meshes not being free'd as long as the mapblock is loaded (or something like that) |
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PilzAdam |
so fixing the leaks would be quite a huge structural change in that part, I guess |
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Thenextlevel |
hey does any one know the landrush irc channel |
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ShadowNinja |
Thenextlevel: #minetest-landrush @ irc.inchra.net |
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jin_xi |
kaeza> yeah, we should be bashing emacs - why? btw 24.4 released today |
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iqualfragile |
because emacs now has an integrated web browser? |
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iqualfragile |
no reason to bash it |
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iqualfragile |
now you can really use it as init |
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dhasenan_ |
john_minetest: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/VimMode |
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jin_xi |
??? |
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iqualfragile |
joepie91: it has vim mode |
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iqualfragile |
whoops |
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