Time  Nick              Message
00:16 hisforever        I just cleared a piece of land now its dark there is there a wat to gring light back to that pice of land?
00:18 ShadowNinja       hisforever: Try //fixlight, //replace air air, or //replace air default:torch followed by //replace default:torch air
00:18 ShadowNinja       (Commands are from WorldEdit)
00:18 hisforever        ty shadow
00:18 ShadowNinja       Also, I should make // escape the forward slash like it does in IRC clients.
00:19 ShadowNinja       So "//status" -> "<singleplayer> /statuus"
00:19 hisforever        do I have to set the area with a //p set?
00:19 ShadowNinja       Also gives me a good specific reason why WorldEdit shouldn't use such an absurdly generic namespace.
00:19 ShadowNinja       hisforever: Yes.
00:20 hisforever        ok ty
00:20 hisforever        brb in a second
00:20 ShadowNinja       hisforever: Note: Don't do the torch trick if there are players around.  If they update the torches you'll siddenly have hindreds of item entities.
00:21 ShadowNinja       suddenly have hundreds*
00:23 hisforever        I'm in singleplayer
00:38 hisforever        Ty shaddow that worked just great :)
00:49 OldCoder          Will moretrees appear if added to an existing world?
00:53 VanessaE          OldCoder: only in new terrain.  you can of course plant the saplings too, they will grow
01:02 OldCoder          But must have saplings first, I assume. Thank you.
01:03 OldCoder          Any idea anybody where to find the stair_cobble texture?
01:05 VanessaE          it should just be the regular cobble texture?
01:06 VanessaE          mods/default/textures/default_cobble.png  ?
01:06 OldCoder          alias stair_cobble to default:cobble then?
01:06 OldCoder          I merged a huge set of maps
01:06 OldCoder          Ended up with a lot of unknown stuff
01:06 OldCoder          Including rats
01:06 VanessaE          ah
01:06 OldCoder          I thought Redcrab wasn't supposed to have animals
01:06 VanessaE          it might be that whole old-nodes issue
01:07 VanessaE          the same thing that caused all those unknown nodes int he initial test
01:07 VanessaE          remember what Sokomine  said?
01:08 VanessaE          I'm guessing it's the same thing again, just with different nodes
01:35 connor1           exit
02:07 exio4             \o hi
02:13 OldCoder          exio4 hello4
02:17 Zeno`             exio!
02:17 Zeno`             OldCoder!
02:17 Zeno`             guess that was too much for him
02:21 exio4             zeno!
02:21 exio4             how is it going?
02:21 Zeno`             not bad. you?
02:22 exio4             I guess the same
02:22 Zeno`             I think I may have the day off coding
02:22 Zeno`             Will play games instead heh
06:25 ThatGraemeGuy     anyone familiar with ShadowNinja's areas mod?
06:25 Miner_48er        yes
06:26 ThatGraemeGuy     if there are items in a normal (not locked) chest, inside a protected area, can a non-owner remove items from such a chest?
06:26 Zeno`             yes
06:27 ThatGraemeGuy     oh noes :-o
06:27 ThatGraemeGuy     someone has been slowly robbing me
06:28 Miner_48er        yes
06:28 Miner_48er        you could disable that if you wanted
06:30 ThatGraemeGuy     as a player? or as an admin?
06:31 ThatGraemeGuy     I'm playing on VanessaE's server
06:33 Zeno`             I think the easiest way is to make a locked chest and move the stuff
06:33 Zeno`             Only sure way anyway
06:33 Zeno`             Maybe someone could write an "Add a lock to existing chest" mod
06:39 Miner_48er        as the server owner
06:39 Miner_48er        use a locked chest
06:40 Miner_48er        which server?
06:46 OldCoder          Zeno`, Miner_48er here is the current patch:
06:46 OldCoder          http://minetest.org/141019-network.txt
06:47 OldCoder          Should I attempt to have this accepted upstream?
06:47 OldCoder          Without it, Minetest is Lockuptest
06:47 OldCoder          x_x <- The game
06:50 Zeno`             the usleep() is definately required?
06:50 Zeno`             that's the only thing I wonder about the patch :)
06:50 Miner_48er        I don't work on the core so I don't know what half of that does
07:08 OldCoder          Zeno`, the usleep can be a sleep_ms
07:08 OldCoder          which is provided in the sources
07:09 OldCoder          I feel it's a good idea
07:09 OldCoder          Try the patch yourself
07:09 OldCoder          against latest git
07:09 OldCoder          Should observe no degradation of performance
07:10 Zeno`             ok will do
07:11 Zeno`             may as well make a pull request though
07:11 Zeno`             that way others can provide feedback
07:18 OldCoder          Should I make the pull?
07:18 OldCoder          You deserve credit for the core of the patch
07:18 OldCoder          pull request *
07:18 OldCoder          Brief summary of what to do?
07:30 Zeno`             You may make it :)
07:30 Zeno`             I don't need credit for everything I do, lol. I know I helped so that's enough
07:35 OldCoder          Brief summary of what to do?
07:37 Zeno`             Oh, make a branch. Apply patch. Push. Then at git hub "compare and pull request"
07:37 Zeno`             You'll have to make a fork of minetest on github first
07:40 Zeno`             Sorry for being slow in answering, OldCoder ... am making dinner :)
07:40 OldCoder          Zeno`, dinner does not make you a sinner
07:41 OldCoder          Zeno`, do I have permissions needed to create a branch of the main repository?
07:42 Zeno`             lol
07:43 Zeno`             No, but go to git hub minetest page and "fork this repository"
07:43 Zeno`             then when you have shiny new fork, pull that fork and do your changes and branches and stuff in that
10:51 iqualfragile      there should be an anti drug campaing against this dangerous jesus drug https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sye6ouZekIc
10:52 ElectronLibre     What? O_o
11:08 Zeno`             hi PilzAdam
11:09 twoelk            !up 84.181.207.172 30000
11:10 twoelk            hm?
11:12 reactor           !up ff:uu:uu:uu:uu:uu:uu
11:13 twoelk            !doge
11:13 twoelk            :-(
11:14 twoelk            is she sulking again?
11:14 ElectronLibre     RIP MinetestBot.
11:15 Zeno`             Somebody insulted her I think
11:18 twoelk            what was the ShadowBot command for checking connections?
11:18 * kilbith         suggests to rename MinetestBot to C-3PO.
11:18 Amaz              kilbith, +1000000000000000000000000
11:19 * ElectronLibre   gives kilbith a cookie, and +1*10^Inf
11:20 kilbith           *miam*
11:23 Zeno`             What's with the infinite exponent?
11:23 Zeno`             tetration?
11:23 kilbith           one day we'll have our animated/intelligent r2d2 & c3po in MT
11:23 kilbith           I promise
11:24 Amaz              :D
11:25 * Amaz            can't wait!
11:25 kilbith           and chewbacca
11:25 Amaz              :D
11:25 kilbith           that 'grroaaww' on punch
11:27 iqualfragile_     !c 3**3
11:28 ElectronLibre     MinetestBot is really dead.
11:28 ElectronLibre     But that's normal, she isn't even connected..
11:29 Amaz              ShadowBot, help
11:29 ShadowBot         Amaz: help [<plugin>] [<command>]
11:29 Amaz              ShadowBot, help all
11:29 ShadowBot         Amaz: Error: There is no command "all".
11:29 Amaz              ShadowBot, c 9+9
11:29 ShadowBot         Amaz: math calc <math expression>
11:29 Zeno`             New BETA client out: https://github.com/Zeno-/minetest/tree/refactor_the_game
11:30 Zeno`             still has lots of work left to do, but it's functional
11:30 Amaz              What is it meant to do?
11:37 Zeno`             The same as the current client but cleaning up the code is "stage1"
11:37 Zeno`             optimising is stage2
11:38 Zeno`             still on stage1 but it should be slightly faster (or if not the same) already
11:38 Zeno`             and also make the code readable
11:38 Amaz              Okay.
11:38 Amaz              Will you make a pull request when you've done?
11:38 Zeno`             yeah for sure
11:39 Zeno`             probably at the end of the week
11:39 Amaz              Great!
11:39 Zeno`             I need testers though :)
11:39 Amaz              Okay, I'll do that in a bit :D
11:41 Zeno`             Thanks :) I'll keep updating over the next few days
11:42 Amaz              Great! Are there any changes I should expect to see?
11:49 Zeno`             I hope not... if you do notice anything different please let me know
11:49 Zeno`             stage1 is just to get it to a stage where things can be more easily optimised
11:49 ElectronLibre     She is back! \o/
11:50 ElectronLibre     Hello MinetestBot
11:50 MinetestBot       Hello ElectronLibre.
11:50 Zeno`             That said, it does run faster on my computer
11:50 Zeno`             You probably won't notice it though :(
11:50 twoelk            hello MinetestBot
11:50 MinetestBot       Hi twoelk.
11:51 twoelk            hehelongtimnosee
11:51 Zeno`             I need to know if: a) it runs slower for anybody; and b) if it does anything unexpected
11:51 sfan5             Zeno`: looks like astyle put spaces somewhere
11:51 twoelk            is running faster unexpected?
11:52 twoelk            !up 84.181.207.172 30000
11:52 MinetestBot       84.181.207.172:30000 seems to be down
11:52 twoelk            :-(
11:52 Amaz              runs slower = less fps ?
11:53 twoelk            Amaz: less fps does not include lag
11:53 Zeno`             yes, ignore lag
11:53 Amaz              Okay.
11:53 Zeno`             although that should not be affected at all
11:54 Amaz              So, how do I tell if it's slower?
11:54 Zeno`             sfan5, yeah it did... I'll worry about that at the end
11:54 Zeno`             Amaz, gut feeling I guess
11:54 Zeno`             or watch FPS
11:54 Amaz              Okay.
11:55 Zeno`             or the graphs (the profile info to debug.txt I'll add back tomorrow)
11:58 jojoa1997         hello
11:59 ElectronLibre     Hello jojoa1997.
11:59 ninnghazad        sooo, pull request only from core-devs and buddies or what? 101 open?!
12:00 Zeno`             sfan5, and yeah... functions make it faster ;)
12:00 Zeno`             (fewer cache misses)
12:02 jojoa1997         D:
12:02 jojoa1997         My teacher is now going over While loops, which I already know, it is so boring
12:03 nyuszika7h        jojoa1997: what does this code do:
12:03 nyuszika7h        do { print("hello"); } while (false);
12:03 nyuszika7h        (that's pseudocode)
12:04 jojoa1997         idk yet
12:04 jojoa1997         All I know is I already taught myself loop and he is teaching it. And his teaching of new code is boring.
12:05 jojoa1997         I need to stop teaching myself stuff before he teaches it XD
12:13 Zeno`             do {} while (!printf("hello\n"));
12:18 kilbith           damn, walking dead s05 is hardcore
14:14 MinetestBot       02[git] 04kahrl -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix some indentation in nodedef.cpp 139029a34 http://git.io/mfBkrw (152014-10-20T16:11:38+02:00)
14:14 MinetestBot       02[git] 04kahrl -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix memory leak caused by mesh nodes (and nodeboxes) 13ae375cc http://git.io/n-s43Q (152014-10-20T16:11:00+02:00)
14:32 Brains            Figured out why technic's uranium dust doesn't sort properly in the chests...  It sorts by name and the names are a bit odd.  (ex 0.0% uranium dust is uranium0_dust, 0.7% is uranium_dust, and 3.5% is uranium35_dust.)
14:34 * Brains          just smacked a copy of unified_inventory's get_desc into the sort_inventory for a first pass.  Renaming the items probably would be a better idea though.
14:51 * gloop           throws kittens around
14:59 * Sokomine        catches the kittens and stores them for later usage
15:00 * shadowzone      catches a kitten
15:01 shadowzone        Thanks, gloop  :P
15:01 * Zeno`           makes a kitty sandwich
15:02 shadowzone        Alf!   :3
15:02 * PenguinDad      catches a kitten and animefies it :P
15:02 * sfan5           meows at gloop
15:02 Zeno`             http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110128060130/alf/images/9/92/Cat_sandwich.jpg
15:02 shadowzone        sfan5 is like "HEY, I'm right here"
15:02 Zeno`             nom nom nom
15:03 Zeno`             I love cats... /me takes all the spare ones
15:04 * n4x             pours gas all over the channel and lights it
15:04 * sfan5           cats n4x
15:04 Zeno`             fortunately most gasses are lighter than air and it did not damage
15:04 Zeno`             nice visual effects though!
15:05 * Zeno`           looks at Sokomine
15:05 * n4x             looks at the C4 on his chest
15:05 n4x               Zeno`: sorry, what did you say?
15:05 n4x               want a hug?
15:05 * sfan5           tells n4x not to be a mean exio4
15:05 * Zeno`           hugs n4x
15:06 n4x               sfan5: I am a terrorist exio
15:06 n4x               now the NSA is looking at me, isn't it?
15:06 sfan5             n4x: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC
15:06 VanessaE          eh...
15:06 Zeno`             dunno what NASA has to do with cats
15:06 sfan5             n4x: ur mean
15:06 sfan5             n4x: don't be like axew
15:07 n4x               don't be like sfan5
15:07 n4x               ftfy
15:07 * Zeno`           stares blankly at VanessaE
15:07 VanessaE          that's a hell of a thing to join into ...
15:07 sfan5             n4x: I'm cat
15:07 n4x               a mean cat
15:07 n4x               algebraic mean
15:07 OldCoder          Ah
15:07 OldCoder          as opposed to hostile
15:07 * n4x             takes sfan5's first derivative
15:08 OldCoder          sfan5, MeowTest has IRC now
15:08 OldCoder          Cat slope
15:08 * Zeno`           gives OldCoder default:stone
15:08 PenguinDad        Oh no where did all the go?
15:08 * OldCoder        is confused
15:08 * n4x             integrates sfan5 again
15:08 PenguinDad        + coefficients
15:08 n4x               sfan5+C
15:08 OldCoder          cat curve area
15:08 OldCoder          cats have slopes and curves
15:08 sfan5             OldCoder: thats good
15:09 Zeno`             cats have 9 lives
15:09 sfan5             n4x: sqrt(exio4)
15:09 OldCoder          sfan5, added ShadowNinja name restrict mod. Some players will report can't get in. To be discussed.
15:09 n4x               sfan5: exio4
15:09 sfan5             I already have the no_guests mod
15:09 n4x               sfan5: ex4io4
15:09 OldCoder          cats have 9 lives sqrt (9) is three see cats are there for you and me
15:09 Zeno`             3 is a prime number!
15:09 n4x               I am a complex exio4
15:10 Zeno`             this is something deep
15:10 n4x               Zeno`: half life 3 confirmed
15:10 OldCoder          sfan5, I know. His mod adds some important checks or you would see no difference.
15:10 OldCoder          cats are prime
15:10 Zeno`             hahah n4x
15:10 Zeno`             I do wish that game would be released though
15:10 n4x               also, OldCoder is an illuminati
15:10 Zeno`             It's kind of becoming the new duke nukem forever
15:10 OldCoder          For example, a fundamental issue in MT names is that they are case sensitive
15:10 OldCoder          Zz
15:10 * OldCoder        dozes and dreams of roses
15:10 sfan5             Zeno`: 3 is also the number of objects our brain can recognize without counting them
15:11 OldCoder          1, 2, 3, many
15:11 n4x               my brain can't recognize more than zero objects without counting
15:11 Zeno`             sfan5, speak for yourself! I can recognise only 1
15:11 OldCoder          1 is a ton of fun
15:11 sfan5             1 cat is fun
15:11 OldCoder          sfan5, I believe I have the deadly lockup fixed
15:11 n4x               sfan5 isn't fun
15:11 sfan5             but I don't have a cat :(
15:11 Zeno`             I have a cat in a hat
15:11 OldCoder          cat in the hat is all that
15:12 n4x               I don't have any pet
15:12 OldCoder          sfan5, people the patch ought to use
15:12 OldCoder          Else MT is on a short fuse
15:12 OldCoder          http://minetest.org/141019-network.txt
15:12 n4x               they would die, I don't even remember to cook my own food
15:12 n4x               "damn, I am hungry, oh.. I didn't eat"
15:12 sfan5             n4x: do they even have "pets" in argentina?
15:12 Zeno`             most bizarre
15:12 * OldCoder        did that with water once
15:12 n4x               sfan5: what?
15:13 sfan5             n4x: meow
15:13 sfan5             if (k->resend_count > 4) {
15:13 sfan5             +				    peer->forceTimeout();
15:13 sfan5             well thats an easy fix
15:13 n4x               sfan5: are you a female or male cat
15:13 n4x               inb4 trans
15:13 sfan5             it doesn't fix the actual problem
15:13 sfan5             but it works
15:13 sfan5             n4x: make cat
15:13 sfan5             no
15:13 sfan5             male*
15:14 n4x               sfan5: that would suck
15:14 sfan5             2/usr/bin/make4me
15:14 Zeno`             what's the actual problem?
15:14 PenguinDad        make: *** No rule to make target 'cat'.  Schluss. :(
15:14 sfan5             Zeno`: some bug in connection.cpp
15:14 n4x               is schluss a lovely way to say tschüss
15:14 Zeno`             right...
15:14 sfan5             n4x: no
15:14 Zeno`             and booting them off doesn't solve it?
15:15 sfan5             it means "End(ing)."
15:15 sfan5             OldCoder: setting RESEND_TIMEOUT_MIN to 1.5 doesn't seem a good idea
15:16 sfan5             OldCoder: that any action whose packet is lost takes at least 1.5 to get re-sent
15:16 sfan5             +seconds
15:16 sfan5             +means
15:18 realtinymonster   it turns out that my drivers had no problems what so ever
15:18 realtinymonster   but windows update broke them
15:18 sfan5             ew windows
15:18 realtinymonster   its funny that I didn't think of that before
15:18 realtinymonster   because I used to have to reinstall my other graphics cards drivers about every month because of windows update breaking them
15:18 realtinymonster   but not this badly
15:18 realtinymonster   sfan5: I wish I could stop using it
15:18 realtinymonster   I really do
15:18 sfan5             use linux
15:18 sfan5             case closed.
15:19 Zeno`             what's wrong with BSD?
15:19 realtinymonster   sfan5: not until Unturned is ported to linux
15:19 realtinymonster   Zeno`: nothing
15:19 sfan5             heard of wine?
15:19 n4x               wine sucks
15:19 Zeno`             yeah, I like to whine
15:19 realtinymonster   sfan5: doesn't work properly
15:19 realtinymonster   n4x: +1
15:19 sfan5             you sure?
15:19 realtinymonster   yep
15:20 realtinymonster   tried it
15:20 realtinymonster   as well as Audiosurf
15:20 n4x               wine is for small things,
15:20 realtinymonster   never again
15:20 n4x               I would end using a VM if I had to use windows apps
15:20 realtinymonster   Audiosurf in WINE killed X every time I tried to start it
15:20 sfan5             realtinymonster: works for me
15:20 n4x               Audiosurf works for you?
15:21 sfan5             n4x: a VM is too slow for games
15:21 n4x               sfan5: vga passthru
15:21 realtinymonster   sfan5: WINE is too slow for games
15:21 n4x               problem solved...
15:21 sfan5             realtinymonster: nope
15:21 sfan5             n4x: what?
15:21 sfan5             oh
15:21 sfan5             you mean that
15:21 sfan5             that might work
15:21 n4x               VGA passthrough
15:22 n4x               I need to use the old GPU I have here for testing this crap
15:23 realtinymonster   sfan5: and even if, linux is barely suitable for gaming
15:23 * sfan5           graphically processes n4x in an unit
15:23 n4x               linux is good enough
15:23 sfan5             realtinymonster: [citation needed]
15:23 sfan5             BSD is barely suitable for gaming
15:24 realtinymonster   sfan5: the reason I say barely suitable is because steam for linux
15:24 sfan5             uh
15:24 sfan5             what?
15:24 n4x               realtinymonster: that isn't a problem of linux
15:24 sfan5             steam for linux works perfectly
15:24 n4x               but companies making games for a plataform
15:24 n4x               also that, at least the games I won
15:24 sfan5             "plataform" now with 125% more platform
15:24 sfan5             ^ n4x
15:24 n4x               lol
15:24 realtinymonster   lol
15:25 n4x               I keep mixing spanish and english
15:25 n4x               was reading something in spanish a little ago
15:25 realtinymonster   ah
15:26 * realtinymonster is screwed unless microsoft releases updates to fix his graphics card
15:26 sfan5             you still didn't explain why linux is unsuitable for gaming
15:28 coagen            guys and gals, if you're like me you're trying to escape the menace of systemd on linux
15:28 gravgun           Linux *is
15:28 gravgun           good*
15:28 coagen            for this task I recommend: https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=7jkrovos7pkpg9hmjnis2ccus5&topic=16177.0
15:28 Zeno`             oh noes... a systemd debate :D
15:28 sfan5             yay systemd
15:28 gravgun           systemd whining thread?
15:28 gravgun           Yeaaaa
15:29 Zeno`             anyway, vim is best
15:29 coagen            systemd is bad m'kay? and manjaro+open-rc are here to save you
15:29 gravgun           emacs! </troll>
15:29 coagen            see the iso above
15:29 Zeno`             hehehe
15:29 gravgun           Actually i'm such a vi noob I use GNU nano
15:29 * sfan5           meows at coagen
15:29 Zeno`             nano is ok as well because Mork from Mork and Mindy used it... nanooo nanooo
15:30 coagen            there are a couple of tweaks to be made to make X work properly and to add tmpfs to fstab, but other than that I am so happy with manjaro+open-rc! :)
15:30 coagen            if you have any questions about it feel free to msg me, I'll shut up about this now :)
15:30 gravgun           Wait coagen, you're telling they have no default /tmp?
15:30 gravgun           Heretics, they are.
15:31 coagen            gravgun: it has been absorbd into the infection
15:31 gravgun           Nuuuuuuu
15:31 gravgun           systemd-tmpfsd
15:31 gravgun           :(
15:31 coagen            hi sfan5 :)
15:31 sfan5             hi
15:34 Brains            Man, did I miss a systemd kerfluffle?
15:35 coagen            Brains: i'm trying to be nice and not oboxious
15:36 Brains            coagen: While I'm not personally a systemd fan, I suspect that 'menace' might be considered a pejorative description...  *chuckle*
15:37 coagen            Brains: I used "menace" and "infection", its about as nice as I can get about the subject ;P
15:38 Brains            lol, I missed the infection one on the first read.
15:39 coagen            Brains: everytime I hear/read the word systemd, I picture the demons in the old doom games, the bydo in r-type, etc
15:43 * realtinymonster has no idea what systemd is
15:45 gravgun           coagen: systemd is a virus anyway :P
15:45 Hobodium          coagen: is that onyl for systemd or for any daemon?
15:45 coagen            realtinymonster: BE AFRAID! VERY AFRAID!
15:45 coagen            gravgun: ^5 yo
15:46 realtinymonster   coagen: why?
15:46 coagen            Hobodium: just systemd
15:47 Brains            realtinymonster: If you don't know, you probably shouldn't really worry about it...  It'll be worked out by the folks in the technical area in question.  (Just like you probably don't worry about python ABIs or kernel subsystems or whatnot.)
15:47 basxto            I don’t even know how to suspend without systemd :o
15:47 n4x               systemd?
15:48 n4x               gravgun \o/ coagen
15:49 n4x               some concepts of systemd are nice, the problem is that they have a "not invented here" problem with everything they see :(
15:49 realtinymonster   Brains: Ok, I trust you
15:49 Brains            realtinymonster: If you don't know me, you probably shouldn't trust me...
15:49 realtinymonster   VargaD has hungarian ISP
15:50 PenguinDad        Are the people in hungary hungry?
15:51 realtinymonster   PenguinDad: yep, :D, i'll never get tired of answering that question
15:51 VargaD            very funny PenguinDad
15:52 * realtinymonster is of Hungarian origins
15:52 PenguinDad        VargaD: I know that it's a bad pun
15:52 gravgun           n4x, coagen: was kidding about systemd = virus. Though I really dislike the fact that it "ate" (and still "eats") other inependent projects, mainly udev. basxto: " echo "mem" > /sys/power/state" "
15:53 PenguinDad        It ate basxto?
15:53 gravgun           x) no
15:54 realtinymonster   OldCoder: PM please
15:54 n4x               /sys/power is the best place in /sys, after /sys/class/backlight
15:56 * realtinymonster should leave
15:56 VargaD            I'm from Hungary as most people with Hungarian ISP
15:56 realtinymonster   VargaD: makes sense
15:57 gravgun           n4x: so true. Sysfs rocks in general
15:59 * realtinymonster realizes that he forgot to include wget in CCP
16:00 realtinymonster   also, what is port 443 used for?
16:00 Brains            grep 443 /etc/services
16:00 Brains            https           443/tcp                         # MCom
16:00 Brains            https           443/udp
16:01 iqualfragile      wtf? hahtetepehes udp?
16:02 Brains            Yeah, I thought that was a bit odd but it might just be them assigning both just to avoid confusion.
16:03 Brains            Looks like SMTP and SSH both do the same thing.
16:03 Brains            Heck even 587 has both tcp and udp for submission.
16:03 Zeno`             443 is normally https:// isn't it?
16:04 Zeno`             nvm, I am tired
16:04 Zeno`             night all
16:04 Brains            Zeno`: Well, 443 is the port for https but I believe that you can specify a port in the URI so not all https:// will go to 443, that is just the default port.
16:05 * Brains          likes his 'it depends' answers.  They just feel better.
16:07 gravgun           Brains: I like setting up webservers with a hidden http://abc.xyz:1337/ address, just to break the SSL cerfificate
16:07 gravgun           https*
16:07 * gravgun         lies
16:08 * gravgun         owns no web server whatsoever
16:43 rubenwardy        Hi all!
16:51 Krock             meow.-
16:56 realtinymonster   Hi RealBadAngel
16:56 RealBadAngel      hi
16:56 realtinymonster   how are you?
16:56 shadowzone        hi
16:57 RealBadAngel      just fine
17:00 Krock             wut? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=10418
17:03 basxto            gravgun: I don’t have the neccesary rights to that with my normal user
17:03 gravgun           basxto: you need root access
17:04 basxto            doesn’t make sense for me
17:05 Calinou           hi
17:07 basxto            especially when I need to suspend my laptop in hurry
17:17 Brains            basxto: Not every user should have the permissions to shutdown the hardware...  (I suppose you could argue about physical access but then we don't really have a way to programmatically tell how much physical access a user has...)
17:19 gravgun           basxto, Brains: the command I provided is how systemd suspends the computer actually (well, not in (ba)sh, in C, but it's the same way)
17:20 basxto            but I can use systemctl suspend with my normal user o.O
17:21 basxto            Brains: that’s why I would use groups for that … and a power group exists, but does not affect this
17:23 * Brains          hasn't bothered to set up suspend on his machines at the moment or he'd go take a look.
17:25 Krock             http://i.imgur.com/bihqMt5.png
17:26 hoodedice         Krock: neat
17:27 Krock             :)
17:27 PenguinDad        Krock: is that mgv45?
17:27 Krock             PenguinDad, mgvkrock
17:27 basxto            would make a great hidden cave-house
17:29 PenguinDad        s/mgv45/mgv5/
17:30 Krock             PenguinDad, 2230 letters, 91 lines, a lua mapgen, using a single 3d-noise
17:31 PenguinDad        How about 6D noise? :P
17:31 Amaz              No number?!
17:31 Amaz              ;P
17:31 Amaz              *numbers
17:32 Krock             Amaz, numbers and letters
17:32 Krock             PenguinDad, draw me a 6D-world
17:33 Amaz              XD
17:33 PenguinDad        Krock: Sorry I'm programmer therefore I can't draw
17:34 Krock             ..
17:34 Krock             hmm I'm getting visible spaces between nodes without fsaa
17:34 Krock             ..setting
17:35 hoodedice         > I'm programmer therefore I can't draw
17:35 Krock             PenguinDad, show me your skills.
17:41 PenguinDad        Krock: But I already sold them on ebay for 1$ :(
17:41 Krock             PenguinDad, reminds me to the offer, where someone sold an used match
17:42 Krock             "Only used once, seems to be broken now" "Maybe interesting for geeks"
17:42 * PenguinDad      throws one red paperclip at Krock
17:43 rubenwardy        6D noise doesnt mean 6D world.
17:43 rubenwardy        But is pointless
17:44 Krock             it would be possible to make a 6d noise
17:44 PenguinDad        It begins to get really funny with 1337D noise :P
18:10 rubenwardy        Awesome http://youtu.be/Ep5KJ3aUGFk?t=38s
18:11 rubenwardy        !title
18:11 MinetestBot       rubenwardy: irrlicht particle collision5 - YouTube
18:11 rubenwardy        (for Minetest)
18:13 Krock             poor rainbows
18:14 Calinou           https://mediacru.sh/1a6bae839b92 → all new Carbone textures
18:15 Krock             dasert sand looks so.. new
18:16 Krock             well, the snow side texture looks a bit.. leveled
18:17 Krock             and the nyan cat makes 90° rotated rainbows 0.0
18:18 Calinou           the rainbow isn't always rotated  the right way
18:18 Calinou           Krock, I know you like long side textures :D
18:19 Calinou           I find them OK, as long as they are not too long
18:19 PenguinDad        desert stone is too yellow for me :/
18:19 Calinou           gameplay-wise, it is good if you can see if dirt has grass or snow on it, without having to climb up
18:57 Sokomine          hmm...might have been too much digging going on below this poor house: https://mediacru.sh/R0wSRT-vXQtN
19:00 Calinou           Sokomine, same font settings as me :D but weaker shadow
19:01 Calinou           I use shadow 1.0
19:01 Calinou           easy to read almost everywhere
19:03 Jordach           Sokomine, there's always one mapgen fail
19:03 Jordach           like that time i got that one block large soapstone hill biome
19:03 Calinou           91 node-deep ocean with mgv5
19:03 Sokomine          Calinou: Sol advertised that font. i tried it and it looked better than the one i had before. how can shadow be configured?
19:04 Calinou           95
19:04 sfan5             96
19:04 Jordach           69
19:04 sfan5             ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
19:04 Sokomine          Jordach: right, but currently there are a bit more failures. i'm trying to get something to work. nore told me how to do it in principle, but it needs finetuning for my purpose
19:04 Calinou           Sokomine, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8605287/
19:04 Jordach           https://imgur.com/gallery/NWX6g
19:06 Sokomine          Calinou: thanks! that might help if the background is not exactly fitting
19:07 Sokomine          Jordach: i don't quite get that
19:07 Jordach           >Disney rendered its new animated film on a 55,000-core supercomputer
19:07 Jordach           mfw when using 4 cores for blender
19:08 sfan5             >getting about 40KB/s from youtube servers
19:08 sfan5             >wat
19:08 Jordach           hm
19:09 Jordach           GitLab looks suspiciously like GitHub
19:09 sfan5             hm
19:09 sfan5             wait wut
19:09 Calinou           yes, quite intended
19:09 sfan5             >only 300KB/s
19:10 Calinou           Sokomine, sadly you can't have an outline, just a shadow
19:10 sfan5             wtf is wrong with my connection
19:12 sfan5             telekom pls http://www.speedtest.net/result/3846608799.png
19:12 sfan5             >grade: F+
19:12 sfan5             gg
19:22 sfan5             ARE THEY FUCKING KIDDING?
19:22 sfan5             wat
19:23 sfan5             throttling youtube connections
19:23 sfan5             wat
19:23 Calinou           I've had grades F too
19:23 sfan5             ISP pls
19:23 Calinou           some French ISPs do that
19:23 sfan5             proxying the YT traffic through servers.minetest.net gets me full 1MB/s speeds
19:23 iqualfragile      sfan5: telekom throtles everything
19:23 iqualfragile      its not even subtile
19:23 iqualfragile      its real hardcore throtling
19:23 sfan5             they don't throttle torrent
19:24 iqualfragile      in berlin you have a better connection to youtube if you are using the freifunk net
19:24 sfan5             but I'm not in berlin
19:24 iqualfragile      sfan5: because they are incompetent and its too hard
19:24 iqualfragile      sfan5: switch to netcologne
19:24 sfan5             I'm not in cologne either
19:24 iqualfragile      oh, your speed test said so
19:24 sfan5             no
19:24 sfan5             that was the server it used
19:25 Amaz              Watching youtube videos through servers.minetest.net?!?! Now I've heard it all!
19:25 Calinou           great, now servers.minetest.net is also sfan5's proxy
19:25 sfan5             uh no
19:26 Jordach           http://www.speedtest.net/result/3846643997.png u wot m9
19:27 shadowzone        Lol
19:28 sfan5             Jordach: u wot m8 http://www.speedtest.net/result/3846647845.png (servers.minetest.net)
19:28 Jordach           sfan5, u wot m8
19:28 Jordach           1v1 OpenRA
19:28 sfan5             meow
19:28 proller           Jordach, you lock freeminer topic ?
19:28 Jordach           proller, i may or may not be undermining it
19:28 Jordach           xyz is being disconnected from forum hostings soon
19:29 sfan5             ^ wat
19:29 proller           why you still have admin privs ?
19:29 shadowzone        http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3846650445 <-- u wot m8
19:29 Jordach           proller, because i'm busy with lift
19:29 sfan5             Jordach doesn't have admin priv
19:29 Jordach           life
19:29 proller           sfan5, somebody locks https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=7864
19:30 proller           now already unlocked
19:30 sfan5             I'm aware
19:33 Jordach           proller, and why the fuck do you have a developer tag
19:33 Jordach           you're not even a core dev anymore
19:36 Amaz              XD
19:36 Amaz              One could say that he is an apostate core dev :P
19:36 Jordach           with punBB at least i could set custom usertags
19:36 Jordach           and groups
19:38 Amaz              Can't you do that any more?
19:38 Jordach           nope
19:38 Jordach           bs group perms
19:38 Amaz              :(
19:39 Jordach           because PHP, $5 SQL injectors
19:44 proller           Jordach, cry about it.
19:44 Jordach           proller, ShadowNinja isn't a lagminer apologist
19:45 Jordach           and you're muted according to said banlist
19:45 proller           nooQ
19:45 proller           cry about it too
19:45 Jordach           !mute proller
19:45 Amaz              :D
19:46 cities            why can't we all just get along
19:47 Jordach           logs: many instances
19:47 Jordach           reasons: trolling
19:49 cities            ok
19:49 * Jordach         wonders where WindHero went
19:49 hisforeverkid     Hi my friends
19:50 Amaz              Jordach, I think he is at collage...
19:50 Jordach           aye
19:51 Jordach           >3 years playing Minetest
19:51 Jordach           >still no form of achievement for such time wasted
19:51 hisforeverkid     Whats VanessaE webpage for her server ?
19:51 shadowzone        digitalaudioconcepts.com
19:51 Jordach           http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/stats.html
19:51 hisforeverkid     ty
19:57 PenguinDad        Jordach: I think the winds blew him away
19:58 shadowzone        Okay...there goes proller.
20:21 Calinou           <sfan5> I'm not in cologne either
20:21 Calinou           I read “I'm not on cologne”
20:21 Calinou           (here, “eau de cologne” is some kind of alcohol)
20:23 sfan5             o.o
20:25 iqualfragile      Calinou: its a smell
20:27 sfan5             o.o
20:27 sfan5             ah there it is
20:28 Jordach           Calinou, send me a bottle pl0x
20:29 sfan5             Jordach: y u no go to france?
20:29 Jordach           i'd rather Okotoberfest
20:29 sfan5             lol
20:43 iqualfragile      hello shadowzone
20:43 hisforeverkid     is thee anyone that is using VanessaE's server and can tell me how to clame a piece or land?
20:49 iqualfragile      hisforeverkid: i guess VanessaE is
20:54 VanessaE          hisforeverkid: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8364  <-- look under "Land Ownership"
20:57 kaeza             greetings
21:00 VanessaE          hey
21:03 Cylus             Hello VanessaE, john_minetest!
21:03 Cylus             john_minetest: Is there a Windows 10 now?
21:04 Cylus             I guess 8.1 took the place of 9. Huh. That still seems very odd to skip 9.
21:04 Cylus             Lovely. Gotta' love those spy features.
21:05 PilzAdam          windows now has features that gnome had since 20 years!
21:05 * Cylus           is jealous that his Debian install isn't packed with DRM and spy features
21:05 PilzAdam          what an improvement!
21:05 PilzAdam          truly leading OS here
21:05 VanessaE          actually they skipped 9 because they expect old software to have problems.
21:05 Cylus             PilzAdam: It does? Nice!
21:05 kaeza             MS counts in base 9</oldjoke>
21:05 VanessaE          particularly old software that tries to detect the version of windows by looking at the version string and finding "windows 9*" in it.
21:06 PilzAdam          Cylus, multiple virtual desktops, to be precise
21:06 PilzAdam          every linux DE I know of has this since forever
21:06 Jordach           heck i even liked this version of windows
21:06 Jordach           and after using the partial mess known as 8.0
21:06 Jordach           it isn't that bad
21:06 Jordach           in fact I noticed in a VM it started faster than the host
21:06 Jordach           which is bullshit
21:07 Jordach           VM Ware Workstation 10
21:08 Calinou           http://paste.ubuntu.com/8606532/
21:08 kaeza             inb4 VM crashed
21:08 Calinou           I added setting reminders in console in Carbone
21:09 Cylus             PilzAdam: You mean Windows users have been working with only a single desktop this whole time? Sad.
21:10 iqualfragile      i think nodetest has a cool concept
21:11 iqualfragile      john_minetest: im sure you can configure that
21:29 zat               I have been trying minecraft for two days
21:29 zat               I didnt expect it would so bore me
21:31 PilzAdam          zat, ask Microsoft for a refund
21:31 kaeza             why do you think it was boring? (honest question)
21:33 zat               PilzAdam: they wont refund 0
21:33 zat               kaeza: the only fun thing was hostile mobs and arrows
21:33 zat               the interface seems more polished
21:34 zat               other than those, the demo doesnt look more attractive than minetest
21:34 ShadowNinja       I have MCPE now, and I found that mobs made the game a lot more playable.
21:34 ShadowNinja       As a game that is.
21:35 ShadowNinja       MCPE also has a much better Android UI.
21:36 zat               ShadowNinja: whats MCPE?
21:36 ShadowNinja       It's also a lot fater at rendering.  Minetest's node highlighting is better though IMO.  :-)
21:36 ShadowNinja       zat: MineCraft Pocet Edition (MC4Android affectively)
21:36 kaeza             ^
21:37 ShadowNinja       Pocket* effectively*
21:37 kaeza             I get more FPS with MC than MT, for roughly the same draw distance
21:38 zat               kaeza: me too
21:38 kaeza             in MC, my view range is 5-6 chunks at ~30 FPS; MT, with 80 nodes, ~10 FPS
21:39 kaeza             if even that
21:47 ShadowNinja       Possibly due to high-end features like VBO?  Or is Minetest just slower now?
21:48 FreeFull          I bet irrlicht hasn't been optimised for mobile devices
21:48 ShadowNinja       Also, MCPE != MC.  MCPE was written from scratch in C++ bacause Java was too slow (oh, yes, I see how Java is so much more portable. :-P).
21:52 kaeza             it used to be faster back in 0.4.{4,5} (even with texture atlas disabled)
21:53 * cities          enjoys MC pocket edition
21:53 kaeza             not really sure when this performance loss began
21:53 cities            my minecraft on PC acts better
21:53 cities            I don't know if im just not used to minetest...
21:53 PilzAdam          ShadowNinja, a language isn't slow
21:53 PilzAdam          the code you write for it is
21:54 ShadowNinja       PilzAdam: Higher-level languages have more overhead.
21:55 PilzAdam          there are cases where java even runs faster than c
21:56 ShadowNinja       PilzAdam: Sure, but you can probably change the C code to take advantage of optimizations that Java is automatically making.  But lets not start an argument about something as trivial as this.
21:56 kaeza             yeah, we should be bashing emacs
21:57 PilzAdam          you could say that your jvm is slow
21:57 ShadowNinja       PilzAdam: Could Minetest be changed to use VBO well without an enormous rewrite?
21:57 PilzAdam          yes, but it leaks memory
21:58 ShadowNinja       PilzAdam: I mean could those memory leaks be fixed?
21:58 PilzAdam          so depends on your definition of "well" ;-)
21:58 ShadowNinja       john_minetest: It's actually quite good.
21:59 ShadowNinja       For an android port of a PC game at least.
21:59 PilzAdam          ShadowNinja, as far as I remember it was something about meshes not being free'd as long as the mapblock is loaded (or something like that)
22:01 PilzAdam          so fixing the leaks would be quite a huge structural change in that part, I guess
22:12 Thenextlevel      hey does any one know the landrush irc channel
22:15 ShadowNinja       Thenextlevel: #minetest-landrush @ irc.inchra.net
22:37 jin_xi            kaeza> yeah, we should be bashing emacs - why? btw 24.4 released today
22:40 iqualfragile      because emacs now has an integrated web browser?
22:40 iqualfragile      no reason to bash it
22:42 iqualfragile      now you can really use it as init
22:46 dhasenan_         john_minetest: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/VimMode
22:48 jin_xi            ???
22:58 iqualfragile      joepie91: it has vim mode
22:58 iqualfragile      whoops