IRC log for #minetest, 2014-10-11

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00:08	* Fritigern	has taken pics whilst mommy gave my daughter her very first solid food, mashed banana!!! http://67.170.30.149/P1060873_1280p.JPG
00:09	Fritigern	She was like "what the flip i this, mommy? I don;t know this! I like it, i will swallow it, i want more of it, but what is this?"
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00:12	VanessaE	Fritigern: awwwwww
00:13	VanessaE	she's adorable :D
00:13	Fritigern	I was so excited to give her her first solids. I felt she's been ready for some time now (she's 6 months old) and now we've finally did it ;-)
00:15	Fritigern	What you can not see in the pic, are her 5 teeth (and a molar is staring to pop through). She's developing so fast!
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00:17	Fritigern	She was just a week old when she first started to push her upper body up and look around. And at 3 months, she already insisted on trying to stand. Trying, because she's still a few months away from doing that on her own :-)
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00:22	VanessaE	very nice
00:22	VanessaE	I think you'll be very proud :)
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00:23	Fritigern	I already am :-)
00:23	VanessaE	good :)
00:23	jojoa1997	Hola
00:23	jojoa1997	Hi VanessaE
00:23	kaeza	hola
00:23	VanessaE	hey jojo
00:23	jojoa1997	yo kaeza
00:23	jojoa1997	yo soy kaeza
00:24	kaeza	bien... creo
00:25	Fritigern	yo soy queso?
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00:29	VanessaE	kaeza soy grande queso ;)
00:29	VanessaE	fek, that came out wrong
00:31	jojoa1997	queso?
00:32	VanessaE	cheese
00:32	jojoa1997	XD
00:32	jojoa1997	VanessaE is big cheese
00:32	kaeza	hello, big cheese...?
00:32	jojoa1997	WAIT WAIT
00:32	VanessaE	kaeza is the big cheese
00:33	jojoa1997	VanessaE is swiss cheese because she is "Holy"
00:33	VanessaE	hah
00:33	VanessaE	holy? me? HAH!
00:33	jojoa1997	:3
00:38	Fritigern	VanessaE: If kaeza is the bog cheese, then are you quesito, the little cheese?
00:40	Fritigern	bog? BIG!!!
00:42	VanessaE	HAHAH
00:42	VanessaE	kaeza: he don't know me very well, does he? ;)
00:59	kaeza	heh
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01:19	OldCoder	bog cheese would make one sneeze
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01:19	jentron	Does minetest run on oracle?
01:20	OldCoder	jentron, what is an Oracle?
01:21	jentron	A database engine.
01:22	OldCoder	Um, no
01:22	OldCoder	Ah
01:22	OldCoder	Do you mean
01:22	OldCoder	will it use Oracle as a backend?
01:22	jentron	Yes, that is what I meant
01:22	OldCoder	I don't think so, yet
01:23	OldCoder	The most common modes are SQLite3 and LevelDB
01:23	OldCoder	I can double check if it's important
01:23	Zeno`	You don't need to check because you're already right :)
01:23	OldCoder	Ah
01:23	OldCoder	Looks like there is talk of Oracle
01:24	OldCoder	Hm, wait
01:24	OldCoder	Upstream has an oracle setting but I've never heard of anybody trying it
01:24	jentron	:) I have to learn oracle at work, I'm trying to justify playing. :D
01:24	OldCoder	You could port
01:24	OldCoder	the game to oracle
01:24	OldCoder	and produce an Oracle related package
01:25	OldCoder	Surely this would justify a raise
01:25	OldCoder	Let me grep the source
01:25	OldCoder	The branch I have doesn't show it, jentron
01:25	OldCoder	You'd need to do the port
01:25	OldCoder	Couldn't
01:25	OldCoder	Couldn't hurt to ask
01:25	OldCoder
01:27	jentron	I don't think I could get paid to do the port... I need to learn oracle on my own time so I can do boring stuff with it, but that doesn't mean I have to do boring stuff while learning on my own
01:30	OldCoder	All right
01:30	OldCoder	Port might not be too difficult
01:30	OldCoder	If it is similar to SQL
01:30	OldCoder	jentron
01:31	jentron	Oracle runs vanilla SQL, with their own extensions tacked on, I think
01:31	OldCoder	then give it a try
01:31	OldCoder	People here will help
01:31	OldCoder	As it will extend the core
01:32	OldCoder	I can show you how to build
01:32	OldCoder	You will need Linux or UNIX
01:32	jentron	I've got linux... Server only runs on linux?
01:32	OldCoder	Hm? Minetest? Runs on most systems
01:32	OldCoder	Including Windows
01:33	OldCoder	But really easiest to work on under Linux
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01:33	OldCoder	Runs on Kindle for example
01:33	jentron	Doesn't run very well on my Samsung Note.
01:33	* OldCoder	is not familiar
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01:34	OldCoder	Anyway Linux should be fine
01:34	jentron	Railroad tracks extend to the sky and the touches really confuse it.
01:34	OldCoder	And can test against an Oracle server running on any LAN host
01:34	* OldCoder	has not worked on the mobile
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01:35	jentron	I'm in the process of pulling Oracle down now. My lan is very slow today
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01:41	ExeterDad	having trouble overlaying a 64px texture over a 16px default texture on a node. 16px base texture is completely covered as it appears only 16px of the overlay is used and there is no alpha in that area. tiles = {"base16px.png^overlay64px.png"}
01:41	ExeterDad	Any ideas?
01:42	paramat	probably necessary to convert the 64 texture to 16
01:42	ExeterDad	That's a shame as the textures in the set are 64px
01:43	paramat	(or the 16 to 64)
01:44	ExeterDad	making more asphalt nodes for streetsmod. I want the aspalt with alpha to overlay whatever grass texture user has installed so it matches.
01:48	paramat	AFAIK texture overlay requires the same resolution, no way around that
01:49	VanessaE	there is no way around it, however there was at one time some intent on fixing that.
01:49	ExeterDad	I accept that. Was hoping it was not the case :(
01:49	VanessaE	no doubt RealBadAngel had some pull request pending that would auto-scale overlaid textures so that they all matched
01:50	ExeterDad	16px asphalt nodes will look like ass next to the asphalt in the mod LOL
01:51	ExeterDad	Resizing default grass might look okay if used, but horrible next to texturpack grass. I may of lost my motivation on this one.
01:52	ExeterDad	Thanks for the confirmation though
01:53	ExeterDad	btw... nice to see you guys in realtime :D
01:55	Zeno`	Is there any way to check the integrity of a leveldb database?
02:01	paramat	if you resize grass to 64, use no interpolation, then it will be visually identical to 16px grass
02:02	paramat	bbl
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02:04	jentron	Ug, cmake
02:04	Fritigern	jentron: It'd be compiled beofre you know it :-)
02:04	jentron	:P
02:05	jentron	I can't complain too much. MSVC/Visual Studio is next on the hit parade at work
02:06	ExeterDad	paramat, I might just do that for now and hope scaling is added in the near future. Thanks to you and VanessaE
02:07	Fritigern	jentron: I always use this script to build MT https://gist.github.com/Fritigern/4e21484ec27d6416cc49
02:09	jentron	Now, what's my github password
02:09	jentron	? :D
02:10	VanessaE	password1.
02:10	VanessaE	:)
02:10	VanessaE	no, wait..
02:10	Fritigern	I think it's qwerty
02:10	VanessaE	it's.. *looks&
02:10	VanessaE	1-2-3-4-5
02:11	Fritigern	Mine is ********
02:12	Fritigern	One of my minetest accounts for my own server has "0" as a password :-)
02:12	Fritigern	I just hope i will be able to remember that
02:13	Fritigern	BTW, jentron, you do not need a password to clone or pull code from Github
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02:14	jentron	Fritigern, true but I made a password last month to submit a patch to a project...
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02:14	jentron	I usually use gitorious
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02:15	jentron	So master is the dev head, and 0.4.10 lives in the stable-0.4 branch?
02:15	VanessaE	I believe so
02:18	OldCoder	How do I heal an injured sheep?
02:18	OldCoder	Heh. I added animals and the kids don't want a sheep to die.
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02:19	OldCoder	VanessaE, ever heal a sheep? ^
02:19	VanessaE	er...I don't know if you can
02:19	VanessaE	maybe right click the sheep while wielding wheat?
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02:19	VanessaE	I think that feeds it
02:20	VanessaE	might be enough to heal it, idk for sure
02:20	OldCoder	We'll see
02:20	OldCoder	ty
02:21	jentron	I haven't had luck with the animals_modpack-2.4.2
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02:31	Fritigern	I have a bit of a farming issue
02:31	Fritigern	Wheat refuses to be sown. I have wheat seeds, tilled dirt, well irrigated, but seeds will not sow
02:32	VanessaE	I've seen others mention this...
02:32	VanessaE	I wonder wtf is going on with this?
02:34	VanessaE	is that only with minetest_game or do you also have trouble in, say, dreambuilder?
02:35	Fritigern	I have it on my own server, which is based on minetest_game, added a little technic and a lot of myself.
02:35	VanessaE	hm.
02:36	VanessaE	well it works okay in Dreambuilder at least. :)
02:36	Fritigern	There are a total of 3 farming mods: farming, farmin_plus and hydro
02:36	VanessaE	(just checked)
02:37	Fritigern	Hydro refuses to grow too. I have a grow lamp, it's sown in promix, there's water under the promix, but it's not growing. Perhaps i should try disabling hydro and see if that fixes stuff?
02:39	Fritigern	Oh, i can;t right now, there are people online
02:39	VanessaE	I can confirm the problem with vanilla minetest_game
02:40	Fritigern	Ah, so it is also a vanilla issue then. That bites.
02:40	VanessaE	I believe with hydro, the trick is having the grow light exactly the right distance from the promix
02:41	jentron	What's the dev package for bzip2 on debian?
02:41	VanessaE	I seem to recall 3 or 4 meters.
02:41	Fritigern	Yeah there need to be 2 blocks between the promix and the bottom of the lamp
02:41	Fritigern	So a frame for the lam needs to be 4 nodes high
02:42	VanessaE	I am not sure why it's not working though in vanilla minetest_game
02:42	VanessaE	you'll have to file an issue about it
02:43	VanessaE	(the seeds I mean)
02:43	VanessaE	wait
02:43	Fritigern	I think i will remove hydro anyway, it only confuses people. They get seeds and try to plant them, not knowing that they also need promix and a grow lamp, then get annoyed, or die of hunger
02:43	VanessaE	they DO work
02:43	VanessaE	you have to place them and then they sow themselves after a bit
02:44	Fritigern	They get returned to my inventory, and then weed grows
02:44	Fritigern	instead of wheat
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02:45	VanessaE	lemme let this run for a few mins and see what it does
02:46	VanessaE	I wonder if the thing that appeared there was a weed also.
02:46	Fritigern	It could also be farming_plus that causes it, i would have to check and experiment
02:47	VanessaE	ok, I placed three seeds on irrigated, tilled soil. after a minute or so, two of them turned into some kind of plant.
02:47	VanessaE	the third is still waiting.
02:47	Fritigern	LOL! "Some kind of plant" Could be a venus fly trap :-)
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02:48	* Zeno`	eats it
02:48	VanessaE	I can't tell if these are wheat or just weeds, they're too small
02:48	Zeno`	nope doesn't taste like venus fly trap
02:48	VanessaE	but the wheat seeds definitely didn't return to my inventory
02:48	Zeno`	I feel a bit... weird
02:48	Fritigern	Hmmmm.... If you break one and you gt weed, then it is weed :-)
02:48	deasanta	lol you need pipeworks to tell the difference
02:48	VanessaE	maybe your copy of farming_plus is conflicting
02:48	* VanessaE	breaks one of them
02:48	VanessaE	I got nothing.
02:48	Zeno`	there is a thread on the forums about farming_plus and some things not working
02:49	VanessaE	it aint' weeds.
02:49	Fritigern	VanessaE: Then it was prolly wheat
02:49	Fritigern	It was too young to return any seeds
02:49	Zeno`	I don't think it's wheat.. I feel too good for it to have been wheat
02:49	* VanessaE	replants and waits a bit more.
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02:50	Zeno`	possibly I'm experiencing a placebo-like affect though
02:50	VanessaE	Zeno`: you prolly ate a 'shroom :P
02:50	Fritigern	LOL!
02:50	VanessaE	I TOLD you those green things were weird :P
02:50	Zeno`	maybe
02:51	Fritigern	Sometimes i feel like such a complainer, as if nothing is ever good enough. But then i remember that if i report an actual issue and it gts fixed, everyone benefits
02:52	VanessaE	Fritigern: those planted seeds are definitely growing taller.
02:52	VanessaE	so it IS working under vanilla minetest_game
02:53	Fritigern	I am currently talking to someone on Pacata, but once i am done, i will try different combinations of farming and food mods
02:55	VanessaE	ok
03:04	Hobodium	What light level does the overworld get on average at night?
03:05	VanessaE	3 or 4 I think
03:07	Hobodium	Thanks
03:07	VanessaE	Sep 29 2014 13:56:38 <Taoki> Anyone know what the moon's light level is? Like
03:07	VanessaE	, what's the light level of a node lit only by moon at midnight
03:07	VanessaE	Sep 29 2014 13:57:22 <Calinou> 4 or so
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03:17	NANOsoldierEnke	What's the method to replace the overwrite of something in the minetest_game with modded code?
03:18	VanessaE	NANOsoldierEnke: minetest.override_item()
03:18	VanessaE	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1346
03:18	VanessaE	that's how you redefine an object if you need to
03:19	NANOsoldierEnke	Thanks. Just needed a word to search the api for.
03:19	VanessaE	and any time you supply a mod with the same name as a mod in minetest_game, your mod will be loaded instead of the one in the game.
03:20	VanessaE	bear in mind that this function doesn't exist in 0.4.10, but only in -dev builds
03:21	VanessaE	I think.
03:21	VanessaE	it'll be in 0.4.11 anyway :)
03:22	NANOsoldierEnke	Huh. That may come in handy.
03:24	* Fritigern	runs only dev builds of minetest and minetest_game, gets questions about the tefture pack in use :-)
03:24	Fritigern	*texture
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03:27	VanessaE	WARNING: Expect a flood attempt.
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03:30	Hobodium	Hooray, someones server uses my mod now, I feel so accomplished
03:30	VanessaE	cool :)
03:30	Fritigern	Which mod is that?
03:31	Hobodium	I havn't really published it yet, but it has growable mushrooms
03:32	Fritigern	Oh, i thuink i have read about it a short while ago. I had planned to use them for MineTestCraft
03:33	Hobodium	I don't know how you read about it, I just made it yesterday and I havn't published it...
03:33	Hobodium	Stay out of my house pls :y
03:33	Fritigern	Really? Then it much have been a dofferent mod
03:33	Fritigern	*different
03:33	VanessaE	Hobodium: just FYI plantlife has plantable/growable mushrooms also :)
03:34	VanessaE	however yours probably work better :P
03:34	Hobodium	I figured someone else made mushrooms at some point, I just wanted a starter project. Plus I have mushroom shovels :y
03:34	VanessaE	heheh
03:34	* Fritigern	has plantlife, but no shrooms in my world
03:34	VanessaE	Fritigern: they only grow under limited conditions, and the mushroom mod is a fairly new addition
03:34	* NANOsoldierEnke	just finished a micromod that lets you craft sources.
03:35	NANOsoldierEnke	Not sure why; someone requested it. 20 lines of code later, there it was...
03:36	NANOsoldierEnke	It was actually kind of scary.
03:39	VanessaE	best way to do it really.
03:39	VanessaE	someone needs a bit of code, you stepped up, and bam, there it is :)
03:40	VanessaE	that's why I write the mods I write. I just like to make stuff people (myself included) can use.
03:41	Fritigern	VanessaE: If i may make a suggestion: include the date of the last edit of the plantlife modpack in the readme file, that way it gets easier to tell if a mod(pack) is outdated or not
03:42	VanessaE	Fritigern: I used to do that, but I found myself forgetting to update that date :P
03:42	VanessaE	so I rely on the commit log for that now
03:42	Fritigern	Yes, but i, as the end user, do not know which version of plantlife i have
03:43	VanessaE	you have the same version I do: 0.0.0 :-)
03:43	Fritigern	(installed from zip)
03:43	VanessaE	(that is to say, I don't use version numbers, just commit dates)
03:43	Fritigern	dates are just as good as version numbers
03:43	VanessaE	one way to know is to watch the forum thread for updates
03:44	Fritigern	My server counts 151 mods. I can not track all of them
03:44	NANOsoldierEnke	VanessaE: Used to do that with a version history. Forgot to update that too. :-P
03:44	VanessaE	Fritigern: that's a lot :P
03:45	NANOsoldierEnke	Ah vell. G'night e'rryone
03:45	Fritigern	VanessaE: It used to be 159 :-)
03:45	Zeno`	mushrooms!
03:46	VanessaE	Zeno`: come down out of the clouds, those magic 'shrooms should have worn off by now ;-)
03:46	Zeno`	But... they're all nice and white and fluffy
03:46	Zeno`	They tickle my nose
03:46	VanessaE	Fritigern: actually, if you tell the forum to subscribe you to the thread for the mod, it'll email you whenever someone posts
03:46	VanessaE	so you'll get my update notices then
03:47	VanessaE	Zeno`: ~Mercer177.39.245.248
03:47	VanessaE	fuck
03:47	Fritigern	VanessaE: Aparrently, my plantlife was ANCIENT, containing only bushes classic, flowers plus, junglegrass, plants_lib and poisonivy
03:47	VanessaE	paste error. Zeno`: http://xkcd.com/941/
03:47	Zeno`	lol
03:47	VanessaE	Fritigern: oh wow. yeah, updatre that bad boy
03:47	VanessaE	-r
03:47	* Fritigern	does not wishj to fornicate at this very moment. Can we do that later? :-)
03:48	* Zeno`	shuts his eyes
03:48	VanessaE	heh
03:48	Fritigern	Oh, dos the modpack have to be called "plantlife_modpack", or can i rename it to just "plantlife"?
03:49	VanessaE	Fritigern: plantlife has seen major updates in the past weeks. yes, you can leave the name as plantlife. I recommend you just delete it, however, and re-download it and re-install.
03:49	VanessaE	it's a modpack so the name doesn't actually matter
03:49	Fritigern	I was moving the unpacked new plantlife
03:50	Fritigern	renamed the old one so that it would be disabled, in case of issues
03:50	VanessaE	I'm not sure if merely renaming it will be enough to disable the old copy. move it out of minetest's reach entirely
03:51	VanessaE	(the way I manage my mods, renaming would indeed be insufficient)
03:51	Fritigern	Oh, it is enough, trust me ;-)
03:51	VanessaE	heh ok
03:51	Zeno`	On Linux it is enough to rename to a hidden file (e.g. .plantlife_old)
03:52	Zeno`	well, that's if mods are in the worldmods/ directory anyway... I dunno about normal mods directory but I suspect it would be the same
03:52	VanessaE	I wasn't aware that minetest respected that concept.
03:52	Zeno`	Does for me :)
03:52	VanessaE	(considering how...unorthodox it is in other respects ;) )
03:52	Fritigern	Meh, i just named it "plantlife_ANCIENT". This causes the game not to find ot for two reasons: 1- the game does not allow uppercase, and 2- the name is different from what world.mt expects
03:53	VanessaE	ah, good call
03:53	Zeno`	I wouldn't mind an ancient plantlife modpack
03:53	VanessaE	anywho, the new update has much more stuff but with the spread-out generating method you should notice little or no lag
03:53	VanessaE	or you can delete the components you don't want, of course
03:53	Zeno`	Archaeoviola etc
03:54	* Fritigern	didn't notice any plantlife-related lag
03:55	VanessaE	Fritigern: the ancient versions didn't actually have many things hooking into the mapgen. the modern versions have lots of stuff hooking in. until recently, that caused lots of lag
03:58	* Zeno`	feels guilty about the mushrooms
03:58	Zeno`	I was updating that but have been on a two week tangent :(
03:59	VanessaE	and ferns ;)
03:59	VanessaE	weren't you working on some update for that module also? ;)
03:59	Zeno`	didn't I already do ferns?
03:59	VanessaE	no wait.. not ferns
03:59	VanessaE	what was it..
03:59	Zeno`	oh wait.. I only did giant tree ferns I think
03:59	Zeno`	I can't remember now
03:59	Hobodium	So I learned I need to figure out how to do mapgen better.
04:00	Zeno`	it was dry plants
04:00	Zeno`	that are not dry plants
04:00	VanessaE	ah yes
04:00	VanessaE	that's the one
04:00	VanessaE	Hobodium: just hook into plants_lib ;)
04:00	Fritigern	Alright, ready to test and find out which mod prevents me from sowing wheat. Will report my findings as soon as i have something to report
04:00	VanessaE	good luck
04:00	VanessaE	I'm about to call it a night here
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04:01	Hobodium	Thanks for the help, I'll look into plants_lib
04:02	VanessaE	ok, I'm off to bed
04:02	VanessaE	night all
04:02	Fritigern	Sleep well!
04:02	VanessaE	let's see if I can actually sleep :)
04:02	VanessaE	thanks
04:03	Zeno`	night
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04:07	Fritigern	Okay. The culprit is, believe it or not: farming_plus
04:08	Fritigern	OH! I see VanessaE has made a commit to farming_plus only 9 days ago. Redownloading it, and testing!
04:11	Fritigern	That fixed it! VanessaE copnsider yourself hugged!!!!
04:18	Zeno`	<Zeno`> there is a thread on the forums about farming_plus and some things not working
04:18	Zeno`	I don't get a hug?
04:19	Zeno`	The answer has been there all along :p
04:19	Zeno`	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2787&hilit=farming_plus&start=300
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04:25	jentron	Is there a list of debian build dependencies somewhere?
04:26	Zeno`	https://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/minetest <-- good start
04:27	Zeno`	you will need the development versions as well, of course
04:27	Hobodium	Later dudes
04:30	jentron	Thanks
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04:36	jentron	http://dev.minetest.net/CMake_Options is even better
04:38	Zeno`	yes :)
04:38	Zeno`	can even make fancy graphs
04:38	Zeno`	http://i.imgur.com/BGGHNzc.jpg
04:47	jentron	Just a filename to search is better than the obscure cmake whine
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04:53	OldCoder	Dragonop, mos_basik moin
04:55	Dragonop	what?
04:56	blaise	moin, morning, morgen
04:56	blaise	gutten morgen
04:57	blaise	was ist los?
05:03	Dragonop	oh, thanks :-)
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05:05	Zeno`	somebody was whining?
05:17	VanessaE	well THAT was an utter failure :-/
05:17	* VanessaE	can't sleep.
05:19	VanessaE	Fritigern: I can't believe I forgot about Blockmen's patch. G*d I feel stupid :P
05:19	OldCoder	blaise, he is Argentina. Spanish language not German :-)
05:20	OldCoder	Argentina is furthest South MT'er I have met
05:20	VanessaE	OldCoder: zeno is further south. Oz. :)
05:20	OldCoder	The Moin was my own affectation. AU is further south? Very well!
05:20	OldCoder	Dragonop, welcome back
05:20	VanessaE	I think so checks map
05:21	Zeno`	I suppose I should say g'day :/
05:21	OldCoder	No...
05:21	OldCoder	It is
05:21	OldCoder	"G'Day Mate!"
05:21	Zeno`	lol
05:21	VanessaE	hm, maybe not. depends on the part of Argentina in question I guess :)
05:21	* OldCoder	loved Crocodile Dundee
05:21	OldCoder	Dragonop, are you farther South than Australia?
05:22	OldCoder	He may be asleep
05:22	Zeno`	Southern parts of Argentina are at lower longitudes
05:22	Dragonop	i think so
05:22	Zeno`	err lats
05:22	OldCoder	You think that you are asleep? OK
05:22	Dragonop	A little
05:22	Dragonop	its 2:00am in Argentina
05:23	Zeno`	Crikey. That's not sleep, this is a sleep!
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05:23	VanessaE	for some reason I thought Argentina was much smaller than is shown here. didn't realize it goes pretty much all the way down to the southern tip of the continent.
05:23	OldCoder	Not a small place no
05:23	Zeno`	It's very cold down the bottom as well
05:23	Zeno`	penguins live there
05:23	Dragonop	small penguins
05:23	OldCoder	Zeno`, did you like or dislike Crocodile Dundee?
05:23	Zeno`	icebergs live there as well
05:23	Dragonop	lol
05:23	OldCoder	Icebergs "live" there?
05:24	VanessaE	heh
05:24	Zeno`	OldCoder, I thought it was funny because we're not like that at all (most of us)
05:24	OldCoder	"We shall make a habitat for ourselves!"
05:24	Zeno`	I enjoyed it
05:24	OldCoder	Zeno`, just as most Silicon Valleyers are not Valley Girls
05:24	OldCoder	Hm. That is probably outdated
05:24	OldCoder	So you don't say "Crikey that is not a knife. THIS is a knife" ?
05:27	Zeno`	OldCoder, they're not?!
05:27	* Zeno`	cries
05:27	OldCoder	Hm?
05:27	* OldCoder	is confused
05:27	VanessaE	heh
05:27	Zeno`	I thought most Silicon Valleyers were Valley Girls
05:27	OldCoder	Dragonop, you are now at the very heart of Minetest. Learn from the masters.
05:27	OldCoder	No, Valley Girls are Southern California.
05:28	OldCoder	Silicon Valley is entirely North.
05:28	VanessaE	Dragonop: ...and prepare to run for your life, because it gets crazy in here :P
05:28	* Zeno`	cracks open a beer and pours it on his breakfast cereal
05:28	OldCoder	Two different countries
05:28	OldCoder	Beer on Cheerios is Beerios
05:28	Zeno`	lol
05:28	OldCoder	Sounds good
05:28	VanessaE	ew.
05:28	Zeno`	needs sugar
05:28	* OldCoder	does not eat cereal any more. As a boy he had Captain Crunch.
05:28	Zeno`	Did you have a code wheel?
05:28	VanessaE	there's already fermented sugar in the beer :P
05:29	OldCoder	Oh, sure, the one thing that cereals need is more sugar
05:29	OldCoder	Code wheel? Is this a real deal? You are joking I feel.
05:29	Zeno`	That's what we could do tomorrow. Talk in cipher and everyone can sit here spinning their code wheels to decrypt the messages
05:29	OldCoder	This is a 1960s thing
05:29	Zeno`	lol
05:29	OldCoder	You are surely not that old
05:29	Zeno`	No
05:29	Zeno`	I've just read about them :)
05:30	OldCoder	We actually had them
05:30	Dragonop	really?
05:30	OldCoder	You could open cereal boxes and find secret decoder rings
05:30	OldCoder	Sure!
05:30	Zeno`	Yeah, I've read about them in... I think the book was "Hackers" by Stephen somebody
05:30	OldCoder	Kids could be in secret clubs
05:30	OldCoder	Exclusive to 1M others
05:30	Zeno`	I'm still in a secret club
05:31	Dragonop	.-.
05:31	OldCoder	http://image.timepassagesnostalgia.com/watermarked/images64/6420ringchex.jpg
05:31	OldCoder	Seriously, check it out ^
05:31	Zeno`	I'm the developer of the hodor cipher
05:31	OldCoder	http://theimaginaryworld.com/pix407.jpg
05:31	OldCoder	Hodor Cipher?
05:31	Zeno`	I think I've lost the source code though
05:31	* OldCoder	awaits details
05:31	OldCoder	Oh No
05:31	Zeno`	yes... for example:
05:31	Zeno`	"HODor, hODOr, HOdor, hODOr, HodoR hodOr, hOdoR HODor, hoDoR, HoDOr, hODor, HodoR, hodOR! HoDOr, hoDor, hoDor, HOdor HoDor, hODOr, hODOr, HOdor!"
05:31	VanessaE	the message reads... "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine"
05:32	Zeno`	Translates to "HODOR IS HUNGRY! NEED FOOD!"
05:32	OldCoder	Ofc
05:32	Zeno`	(seriously)
05:32	Zeno`	I was very bored one day :(
05:32	OldCoder	http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ERzKIre4I_s/UVaOFb2X76I/AAAAAAAAjR4/X-UuSS3iQl0/s320/13.jpeg
05:32	Zeno`	7-bit hodor cipher
05:32	OldCoder	That one is way older than me ^
05:32	Zeno`	it even looks old
05:33	OldCoder	http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r178/Maynar/DecoderRing2012-02-28.gif
05:33	OldCoder	My life is pop culture now
05:33	OldCoder	I am truly old
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05:33	Zeno`	I hope I haven't lost the hodor cipher source code... perhaps it's on my laptop
05:33	OldCoder	It must be rescued
05:33	OldCoder	Data should not be lost
05:33	Dragonop	Maybe you may write it down in paper
05:34	OldCoder	He must nail down the algorithm
05:34	OldCoder	Firebat, what is that?
05:34	Dragonop	a bat light in fire?
05:35	OldCoder	Could be we will see gee
05:35	Zeno`	Not on my shared drive
05:36	Zeno`	my leap year program is here
05:37	Zeno`	http://codepad.org/m0j77nv8
05:37	Zeno`	look how elegant that is
05:38	Zeno`	an analogue leap year function... none of this bit twiddling rubbish
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05:40	Dragonop	What time is it there?
05:40	VanessaE	1:40am here
05:40	Dragonop	Saturday?
05:41	VanessaE	yeh
05:41	VanessaE	+a
05:41	Zeno`	I have a clock program as well VanessaE
05:41	Zeno`	uses cogs as well, of course
05:41	VanessaE	that program is just...evil
05:41	VanessaE	analog cogs? in a digital world?
05:42	VanessaE	head explodes
05:42	Zeno`	yeah
05:42	Zeno`	I did quite a few programs in my "cog series"
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05:42	* Dragonop	loves analog clocks
05:42	Zeno`	I was going to make that leap year tester in real life
05:43	Zeno`	But I failed making the cogs :(
05:43	VanessaE	you want cogs, build a clock out of lego :)
05:43	Zeno`	great idea!
05:43	VanessaE	like this guy did: http://www.ericharshbarger.org/lego/clock.html
05:43	Zeno`	I can resurrect my cog algorithms and build them all!
05:44	Zeno`	errr.. mine might not be that large
05:44	VanessaE	every so often I try again to recreate what he did, but I can never seem to get the escapement to behave just right due to my lack of the right parts
05:45	Zeno`	yeah I remember reading heaps about clocks (and gears and cogs etc etc in general) when I went through my month of "let's do everything as if this wasn't digital" phase
05:46	Zeno`	I dunno if I'd have the patience to make a clock as big as he did
05:47	VanessaE	I have the patience. I just don't have the money to buy enough pieces :)
05:47	Zeno`	well, hodorcipher source code doesn't seem to be here :/
05:47	VanessaE	have you any idea just how much LEGO bricks cost??? :)
05:48	Zeno`	no, I used to just take them off the kid next door
05:48	Zeno`	just joking! haha
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05:48	Dragonop	:D
05:49	Hobodium	VanessaE what are you doing back already
05:49	Viper168	hey I know you Zeno`
05:49	Viper168	you're the one who kept stealing my legos
05:49	Viper168	!
05:51	Dragonop	Run, Zeno`, run!
05:51	VanessaE	Hobodium: couldn't sleep :-/
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05:52	* Zeno`	hides behind the sofa
05:52	Zeno`	hodor bible still exists, but no hodor cipher :/
05:53	Zeno`	1240 page PDF
05:53	Zeno`	I must have been crazy
05:54	Dragonop	t-that, weighs a lot right?
05:54	Zeno`	yes. I haven't printed it though
05:54	Zeno`	It's and unpublished book
05:54	Zeno`	an*
05:55	Hobodium	What a heavy pdf
05:55	Zeno`	heh
05:57	VanessaE	well you can work out the math that a PDF would actually have some amount of mass and therefore, weight
05:57	VanessaE	(assume it's stored electrically, therefore a set number of electrons per bit. from there, the mass calculation is trivial)
05:57	Zeno`	yes... trivial
05:57	* Zeno`	will leave that for you to calculate
05:58	VanessaE	trivial if you know the formula, which I don't :)
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06:00	Zeno`	I think it's E = mc^2
06:00	Zeno`	oh oh oh
06:01	Zeno`	guess what
06:01	Zeno`	my refactored the_game() now connects to servers and downloads media etc etc etc
06:01	Zeno`	I haven't worked on it today though... too lazy
06:01	Dragonop	the_game?
06:03	VanessaE	Zeno`: I'm pretty sure E=mc^2 is only part of the formula... knowing the mass of an electron would also be handy :-)
06:03	VanessaE	and that's the formula for mass at a given velocity, not the formula for rest mass
06:03	VanessaE	:)
06:04	OldCoder	Um, you folks
06:04	OldCoder	Some of you
06:04	OldCoder	Know how literal the Old Coder is
06:04	OldCoder	Is there really a 1,000-page cipher?
06:04	OldCoder
06:05	Dragonop	Pi?
06:05	Zeno`	OldCoder, there is really a hodor cipher, but the hodor bible is not written in that cipher
06:05	OldCoder	All right
06:05	OldCoder	Dragonop, pi never ends
06:05	OldCoder	Kenneth and I used to compete at memorizing it
06:05	OldCoder	100 digits are sometimes with me still
06:06	Zeno`	the hodor cipher is simply 7 bit (in reverse) "encoded" letters h o d o r where lowercase characters are 0 and uppercase are 1
06:06	OldCoder	It seems... um, simple
06:06	OldCoder	So your texts are not lost?
06:06	Zeno`	yeah but I will have to rewrite the encode/decode (I could have done it in the time I'm spent searching for it lol)
06:07	Zeno`	I've*
06:07	sol_invictus	anyone can tell how to generate inventory image from a nodebox definition?
06:09	Zeno`	so from memory Hodor == 'A' hOdor == 'B' HOdor == 'C' and so on
06:10	Zeno`	pretty silly
06:10	OldCoder	OldCoder respects Old hOdor
06:10	OldCoder	inventory image
06:10	OldCoder	Hm
06:10	* OldCoder	needs to learn that
06:10	OldCoder	2D right?
06:11	Dragonop	nodeboxes aren't 3D?
06:12	kaeza	sol_invictus, you can't (yet)
06:14	kaeza	sol_invictus, there's only `[inventorycube`, but it's for full cubes
06:14	sol_invictus	dammit, the one games generate in incredibly small
06:14	sol_invictus	game generates*
06:15	kaeza	you could try taking a screenshot of the inventory, editing as needed, and using it as inventory_image
06:15	kaeza	or render an appropriate image using e.g. blender or something
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06:16	kaeza	(it would show up as a flat extruded mesh in the hand though, instead of a proper 3D item)
06:16	sol_invictus	is there anyway to import nodebox definition to blender?
06:17	sol_invictus	(instead of recreating it)
06:17	kaeza	nope
06:17	sol_invictus	uh-oh, everything is so complicated
06:21	sol_invictus	amazingly small bottle of wine :D http://i.imgur.com/SD6vXFj.png
06:22	kaeza	uh, "removed"
06:22	sol_invictus	woah, imgur over capacity. that was unexpected.
06:22	kaeza	Â·_Â·
06:22	sol_invictus	https://mediacru.sh/ls4AplttpD6R
06:23	kaeza	for that case though, it'd be better to create a plain image
06:24	Dragonop	+1
06:26	sol_invictus	true
06:27	sol_invictus	but anyway I had cases when I needed generated image
06:27	sol_invictus	you said yet, is anything gonna change soon?
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06:29	Dragonop	sol_invictus,are you creating a mod?
06:29	sol_invictus	nope, I'm modding a mod (:
06:31	Dragonop	I want to see that amazingly small bottle of wine
06:31	Dragonop	:)
06:32	Krock	meow
06:33	Dragonop	meow
06:33	sol_invictus	Dragonop: this is what it looks like https://cdn.mediacru.sh/pwmLPbKKVuyZ.png
06:34	sol_invictus	Krock: hello kitty
06:35	Dragonop	nice bottle
06:36	Krock	sol_invictus, it's not round.
06:36	Dragonop	minetest is about cubes
06:36	kaeza	sol_invictus, I recall there was a discussion about that recently, but can't find the topic/issue
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06:36	Dragonop	i dont like round things in minetest
06:36	sol_invictus	I have no idea how many nodeboxes it would be if round
06:36	* kaeza	pets Krock
06:36	Krock	rrr
06:37	Krock	purr
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06:37	Dragonop	I have a cat, now it's trying to climb up my head
06:38	sol_invictus	I had a cat, but he's gone now ):
06:38	Dragonop	im so sorry
06:40	Krock	I never had a cat and it never gone :)
06:41	Dragonop	sol_invictus what program you use to make nodeboxes?
06:42	sol_invictus	at first I used nodeboxeditor by rubenwardy to understand how nodeboxes works
06:42	sol_invictus	the bottle I programmed by hands in geany lol
06:43	sol_invictus	textures based on some bottle from homedecor mod
06:43	Dragonop	homedecor has bottles?!
06:45	VanessaE	yes
06:46	VanessaE	and it will have more soon
06:46	VanessaE	it has a green one and a brown one
06:46	VanessaE	they were supposed to be beer and cola, but I decided at the time that I wanted them to be more generic
06:47	Dragonop	Maybe you can make a lot of bottles , all togueter to simulate a ledge full of them
06:47	Dragonop	*together
06:48	VanessaE	actually that's the plan :)
06:48	VanessaE	also I will be adding a wine rack
06:48	sol_invictus	I think nodeboxeditor needs ability to clone nodeboxes
06:49	VanessaE	e.g. something of this nature: https://www.google.fr/search?es_sm=122&tbm=isch&q=wine+cellar&revid=1490005681&sa=X&ei=CEwTVL7aM87qaICagTg&ved=0CCAQ1QIoAA&dpr=1&biw=1024&bih=685
06:49	VanessaE	sol_invictus: that would be useful, yes
06:49	VanessaE	Dragonop: I will be adding at least a couple of nodes with several bottles gathered together, but I haven't decided how to do that yet
06:50	Dragonop	o: bottles \|\|:air o\|\|o\|\|o\|\|o
06:50	Cylus	Google.fr ... Are you French, VanessaE?
06:50	VanessaE	Cylus: no, sorry.
06:50	Dragonop	o\|\|o\|\|o
06:50	Dragonop	\|\|o\|\|o\|\|
06:50	VanessaE	it's just a search result I had open from before that jp gave me. the wine rack was his idea
06:51	VanessaE	(he's French, hence the .fr came from him :) )
06:52	Cylus	A wine rack would be kind of cool. Especially in a basement.
06:52	Cylus	It's way past my bed time though. Good night, all!
06:53	OldCoder	nite
06:53	OldCoder	zzz
06:53	Dragonop	good nite
06:53	OldCoder	<Dragonop> I have a cat, now it's trying to climb up my head
06:53	OldCoder	Cats on my head
06:53	OldCoder	Cats on my bead
06:53	OldCoder	Cats on my bed *
06:53	OldCoder	Cats books being read
06:54	OldCoder	Cats saying meow what is this stuff
06:54	OldCoder	You have no idea
06:54	OldCoder	Being a cat is rough
06:54	OldCoder
06:54	OldCoder	Cats practicing the arts
06:54	OldCoder	Cats riding in arts
06:54	OldCoder	Cats on the stairs
06:54	OldCoder	Cats in the airs
06:54	OldCoder
06:54	OldCoder	Cats here and there
06:54	OldCoder	Cats everywhere
06:54	OldCoder
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06:54	OldCoder	*carts
06:54	OldCoder	z
06:55	Dragonop	Cat songs
06:55	OldCoder	To songs cats belongs
06:55	* OldCoder	is half under
06:55	OldCoder	Dreams asunder
06:56	VanessaE	oh no, he's going all silly again :)
06:57	Dragonop	run!!
06:57	* Dragonop	is running in circles
06:59	Dragonop	4:00am, only 3 hours to get up...
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07:06	* VanessaE	tosses Dragonop a bottle of Zzzquil
07:06	VanessaE	tastes nasty but it's effective
07:06	Dragonop	UH!
07:06	Dragonop	What's goin on!
07:07	* Dragonop	drinks
07:07	* Zeno`	runs in circles as well
07:08	sol_invictus	I wonder, has anyone tried to simulate drunkeness in minetest?
07:08	Zeno`	I am like a spinning top!
07:08	Zeno`	weeeeeeeeeee
07:08	Dragonop	weeeeeeeeee
07:08	* Zeno`	is pirouetting so fast that the whole world blurs into a single colour
07:09	Dragonop	rainbow colour :B
07:09	sol_invictus	Zeno, are you British? :O
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07:11	Zeno`	Australian
07:12	Zeno`	Do the British spin as well?
07:13	Zeno`	They must be jolly good chaps if they do
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07:13	Zeno`	and chapettes*
07:13	sol_invictus	ah, no, I noticed 'ou' :D
07:15	Zeno`	oh
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07:15	Zeno`	maybe they spin though
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07:40	Krock	mhm /me wants to add a humidity noise to his mapgen but he's absolutely out of ideas of biomes he could add
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07:45	sol_invictus	Krock: is it possible to make whole world covered in snow?
07:45	Krock	sol_invictus, yes sure
07:46	sol_invictus	nice, I have an idea for a survival game
07:46	Krock	let me guess: in snow.
07:46	Krock	with throwing snowballs
07:47	sol_invictus	hmm, didn't think about snowballs :P
07:47	Krock	lol
07:48	sol_invictus	the main idea is survival in cold climate
07:48	sol_invictus	it would require implementing temeperature bar for players
07:49	Dragonop	Kaeza has a mod that shows humidity and temp
07:49	sol_invictus	I guess it will be very hard to survive xD
07:49	Dragonop	its in his modpack ''kaeza's misc stuff'' if you want to use it
07:50	sol_invictus	hmm, I guess the best would be to create an addon for better_hud mod
07:53	sol_invictus	Dragonop: didn't find anything temperature related in there
07:53	Dragonop	wait a min
07:59	Dragonop	my mistake, its called tempidity
07:59	Dragonop	i dont now from where i take that it was a kaeza's mod
08:00	Dragonop	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9439&
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08:02	sol_invictus	lol
08:02	sol_invictus	there is > break --nope.avi
08:03	sol_invictus	does break actually work in lua?
08:03	sol_invictus	I thought there is no such thing
08:03	kaeza	yes
08:04	kaeza	but no `continue` though :(
08:05	sol_invictus	eh, what is the problem, lua
08:05	sol_invictus	why'd they make break but not continue
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08:41	Zeno`	continue is trickier to implement
08:41	Zeno`	break is just goto really
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08:44	ElectronLibre	Good [morning\|afternoon\|evening\|night\|night trapped in a cave] everyone.
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09:34	LemonLake	Is there like, a mod suggestions board or something?
09:36	ElectronLibre	On the forum?
09:37	LemonLake	yes, I found a thread after some digging
09:37	LemonLake	though some of the suggestsions here just make me angry :P
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09:37	LemonLake	ooohh, birds sounds neat
09:41	* sfan5\|	meows at LemonLake
09:41	* LemonLake	meows at sfan5
09:41	LemonLake	+\|
09:41	sfan5\|	:3
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10:15	meldrian	cats. cats everywhere
10:15	* ElectronLibre	meows at meldrian.
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10:21	Zeno`	I have a furball :(
10:25	Krock	Zeno`, that's a spambot
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11:23	RumiaGloop	meow
11:24	* ElectronLibre	meows at RumiaGloop.
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11:36	PenguinDad	I love how I can't sneak in the android version :D
11:42	lemonlake	PenguinDad: you can?
11:42	lemonlake	its the button that looks almost like a house in the bottom right
11:43	lemonlake	ItsLuke: the fuck you doing?
11:43	ItsLuke	lemonlake, Nothing :P
11:45	PenguinDad	lemonlake: that button is unresponsive
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11:56	Fritigern	Well, i guess i performed my first mod hack :-) It bothered me that cottages has only a steel hammer. So i added an obsidian one. :-)
11:57	Fritigern	I prolly made it way OP, but i can always adjust it :-)
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12:10	Megaf	Hi all
12:10	kilbith	hi Megaf
12:10	ElectronLibre	Hello Megaf.
12:11	kilbith	Megaf: tried your own build ?
12:11	Megaf	ElectronLibre: PenguinDad, kilbith, you all should have Tox and add me
12:11	Megaf	for freedoms sake
12:11	kilbith	i'll try Tox later
12:11	ElectronLibre	I have Tox.
12:12	Megaf	My Tox 1DC9A272ABC30724E383B52DC14BA35E47E5492AF4F87BFA77851607ABB9651F9974DA354A4F
12:13	ElectronLibre	Thank you :).
12:13	kilbith	ouch
12:13	ElectronLibre	The tox ID are enormous kilbith, it's normal.
12:13	kilbith	crypty-feeling
12:18	SylvieLorxu	Megaf: I have you on Tox but you never seem online. For the sake of being able to clean up my friend list a bit, which is filled with dead entries, did you remove me? :P
12:18	Megaf	SylvieLorxu: Actually I didnt
12:19	Megaf	maybe I have you on other PC, hold on a second please
12:19	kilbith	Tox seems focused on 'out of the gov control' and privacy
12:19	Megaf	exactely
12:19	kilbith	but we should do not care about that if we aren't terrorist or so
12:20	SylvieLorxu	Oh God not this again
12:20	SylvieLorxu	That argument says that there are two kind of people
12:20	SylvieLorxu	Those who are terrorists, and those who never do anything wrong or embarassing
12:20	kilbith	i said 'or so'
12:20	ElectronLibre	We have all the right to protect our private life using whatever we want, we are not terrorist, we are humans, we have right.
12:20	SylvieLorxu	Yet, most people I know have things they'd only do with some privacy
12:20	SylvieLorxu	Like singing a song
12:21	ElectronLibre	*We all have
12:21	SylvieLorxu	Or... other perfectly legal, yet embarassing things
12:21	SylvieLorxu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcSlowAhvUk <- Related
12:21	ElectronLibre	!title
12:21	MinetestBot	ElectronLibre: Glenn Greenwald: Why privacy matters - YouTube
12:22	ElectronLibre	Interesting.
12:23	kilbith	when you use a network, you shall accept that your privacy is not respected at all
12:23	kilbith	or use the paper
12:23	kilbith	that's the rule
12:24	SylvieLorxu	Really? I never accepted that rule
12:24	SylvieLorxu	There are enough ways to protect yourself
12:25	kilbith	the world is dangereous now, terrorists use very well the network
12:26	kilbith	we have to accept less freedom for more security, and some ways that states are taking to stop these criminals or terrorists
12:26	SylvieLorxu	Pff
12:26	SylvieLorxu	Nonsense
12:26	ElectronLibre	kilbith, you're not forced to share all your life with the governement, of course you will be tracked, but you can protect yourself, because if you have the right that your privacy will be respected when you use paper, you have the same right when you use the internet.
12:26	SylvieLorxu	The rate of crime has only been going down
12:26	Zeno`	terrorists?
12:26	Zeno`	what a load of FUD :P
12:26	SylvieLorxu	But if you have nothing to hide, please give me the password of all your email and web accounts
12:26	SylvieLorxu	If you're doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide, right?
12:26	SylvieLorxu	So I won't find anything bad in there
12:26	Zeno`	but, wait, think of the children!
12:27	kilbith	" give me the password of all your email and web accounts" do not jump into the extreme example so easily
12:27	Zeno`	if you're afraid of terrorists and your country makes restrictive laws to combat "them", then they've already won
12:28	Zeno`	I'm looking at the USA here
12:28	SylvieLorxu	kilbith: You just said only terrorists have things to hide
12:28	SylvieLorxu	If you're not a terrorist, then you can safely share your passwords and let me look through your accounts
12:28	ElectronLibre	kilbith, don't jump into the extreme too, you are tracked, but you can at least protect yourself a little..
12:28	Megaf	SylvieLorxu: you are on another computer :)
12:28	kilbith	SylvieLorxu : if you works on the gov and/or mandated for this, I do
12:29	Zeno`	think of the kittens!
12:29	SylvieLorxu	kilbith: Why not share with me anyway? Are you a terrorist who has things to hide?
12:29	Zeno`	we must read all your stuff because the kittens may be in danger if we don't!
12:30	SylvieLorxu	I thought good people like you shouldn't worry because they have nothing to hide
12:30	SylvieLorxu	Then I can't find anything bad either
12:30	ElectronLibre	First, think of the nodes!
12:30	Zeno`	Actually I wouldn't mind reading you email, kilbith
12:30	kilbith	SylvieLorxu : i do not want to share my privacy with non-gov people, untrustable
12:30	Zeno`	is that ok/?
12:30	Zeno`	I am a gov person
12:30	SylvieLorxu	kilbith: I thought good people didn't need privacy?
12:31	Zeno`	I trust you, so you should trust me. I'm thinking of the kitties
12:31	Zeno`	If you haven't eaten a cat then you should have no worries about me reading your email
12:32	Zeno`	On the other hand, I have eaten a cat :3
12:32	Zeno`	Gave me furball problems
12:33	kilbith	something like Manichean in the freedom fighters thoughts... certainty that the govs are fundamentally evil
12:33	* Zeno`	coughs
12:33	Zeno`	sorry... furball
12:35	kilbith	in this principle, it would annoys me to not use Google, Youtube, facebook...
12:35	kilbith	their alternatives sucks a bit
12:36	SylvieLorxu	Governments aren't fundamentally evil, but one should not forget that the most important part for the government is keeping itself intact
12:36	SylvieLorxu	Citizens come second
12:36	Dragonop	iul{ppá¹•}
12:36	Dragonop	Sorry, it was my cat
12:36	Krock	meow
12:36	SylvieLorxu	You can safely use "Google" (which services do you even mean) and YouTube if you use it with Tor
12:37	* sfan5	meows at Dragonop
12:37	SylvieLorxu	Facebook, well, using that is just suicide
12:37	* Dragonop	purrs
12:37	SylvieLorxu	"Terms and Conditions May Apply" is a good documentary showing why
12:38	SylvieLorxu	(Which will take you less time to watch than it'll take you to actually read the Facebook Terms and Conditions, possibly)
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12:40	kilbith	"but one should not forget that the most important part for the government is keeping itself intact" <- govs are often in right, citizens must are just a relative 'adjustment variable', the govs must be an absolute entity
12:40	kilbith	(sort of)
12:40	SylvieLorxu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bau6K8OXnv4 <- This shows the insanity of mass surveillance
12:40	SylvieLorxu	An 8 year old terror subject, seriously?
12:40	SylvieLorxu	s/subject/suspect/
12:42	kilbith	8 year kid can be an influencable tool for terrorists
12:42	SylvieLorxu	Okay, I give up
12:42	SylvieLorxu	That one comment told me enough
12:43	kilbith	that's the reality, here you live, it's the peaceful paradise
12:43	SylvieLorxu	Pff
12:43	Zeno`	Who are the terrorists?
12:43	SylvieLorxu	I feel sorry for you, really
12:43	kilbith	ditto
12:43	Zeno`	Who are the terrorists?
12:43	SylvieLorxu	You mindlessly believe what people in power tell you, history should've told you otherwise
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12:44	kilbith	I do not want to define the terrorists there, it's off-topic and can affect some sensibilities
12:44	kilbith	govs can define very well them
12:44	Zeno`	Nah, I'd like to know who the terrorists are
12:44	kilbith	not here
12:44	Zeno`	Why not?
12:44	SylvieLorxu	lol, sure they can, that's why that 8 year old kid is on a watchlist
12:44	kilbith	it's off-topic
12:45	Zeno`	Well, since the conversation has been about them for the last hour I don't think it's offtopic
12:45	kilbith	we talked about privacy on internet, not much offtopic than this subject
12:45	Zeno`	So you won't say it here because your idea of a terrorist is racist?
12:46	kilbith	?!
12:46	Zeno`	If not, tell me who the terrorists are
12:46	kilbith	where did you see I'm talked about racism ?!
12:46	ElectronLibre	We were talking about Tox, and now we are talking about terrorism and racism, I really don't understand. :Â°
12:46	Zeno`	Your reluctance to tell me who the terrorists are tells me all I need to know
12:46	kilbith	do not say lies to decredibilize me please
12:47	Zeno`	Prove me wrong then and tell me who the terrorists are
12:47	SylvieLorxu	ElectronLibre: Some people freak out about people taking back their right to privacy
12:47	kilbith	I never talked about racism
12:47	Zeno`	I dunno who the terrorists are and I'd really like to know
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12:47	ElectronLibre	No, but the topic came from nowhere x)..
12:48	PenguinDad	ElectronLibre: no it came from kilbith
12:48	kilbith	I do not want to argue with someone who think that I'm racist
12:48	Zeno`	Just tell me so I can protect myself!
12:48	Dragonop	Maybe you can use Tor
12:49	ElectronLibre	The answer of every of this conversation is simple, we can use Tox, Tor, and everything to protect ourself, and there will always be some tracking from gov and thoses how make the internet.
12:50	SylvieLorxu	We can avoid 95% of the tracking pretty easily, though. But yeah, the last 5% will be more difficult for most :P
12:51	Dragonop	Being realistic, if you live outside the United States, you can avoid the tracking easily
12:52	SylvieLorxu	Or if you live in one of those 7 countries that aren't tracked
12:52	ElectronLibre	But in the U.S., it's more complicated ^^. (I just say hello to the NSA who is now watching us :Â°.)
12:52	SylvieLorxu	Because "there are no terrorists there", of course
12:52	SylvieLorxu	(It's so clearly about power)
12:54	Dragonop	It's weird how Google says to you constantly that they are watching you
12:55	ElectronLibre	SylvieLorxu, which countries are you talking about exactly?
13:00	SylvieLorxu	http://techcrunch.com/2014/06/30/court-allowed-nsa-to-spy-on-all-but-4-countries/ 'Only four countries in the world â€” Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand â€” were exempt from the agreement, due to existing no-spying agreements that the Post highlights in this document about the group of countries, known as â€œFive Eyesâ€ with the U.S.'
13:00	SylvieLorxu	Sorry, 4, not 7
13:00	SylvieLorxu	Those countries have their own divisions
13:00	SylvieLorxu	But still
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13:00	* ElectronLibre	isn't in one of them :Â°...
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13:26	Zeno`	I take back my suggestion that perhaps kilbith is racist
13:26	Zeno`	I think the problem is more like a lack of understanding of other people's points of view
13:27	PenguinDad	If only terrorists have somthing to hide than most chinese people would be terrorists :/
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13:54	OldCoder	Should I use mapgen 7 vs. 6?
13:54	shadowzone	Don
13:54	shadowzone	Don't used v7.
13:54	OldCoder	kk y ?
13:54	shadowzone	Unless you want a all stone world.
13:54	OldCoder	It is buggy?
13:55	shadowzone	Yes.
13:55	OldCoder	kkty
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14:11	Krock	wat? v7 is not buggy
14:12	Dragonop	it's WIP
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14:23	Dragonop	Hey, want to make some music with other people, check this out: http://labs.dinahmoe.com/plink/
14:23	Dragonop	It's a multiplayer ''game''
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15:17	Krock	so, finally that stuff worked
15:17	Krock	https://github.com/SmallJoker/yappy/commit/bbf1ab
15:28	Krock	Dragonop, clicked that link last time some months ago .. a funny game :)
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15:40	Dragonop	:)
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15:59	harrison	https://freedomboard.kirara.ca/ask/src/1410697408164.png
15:59	harrison	good luck ebola-chan!
16:00	sfan5	harrison: wat
16:00	harrison	wat wat
16:01	harrison	do you mean wat travel or wat ebolachan?
16:01	harrison	oic
16:01	harrison	u mean ebola-chan
16:01	harrison	well, she is the anime mascot of the ebola virus
16:02	harrison	i am surpried that you haven't seen her before
16:02	harrison	all the rage memewise
16:02	sfan5	do you think I browse 4chan daily
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16:03	* ElectronLibre	remember that a woman is at the hospital because of Ebola in a country at 200Km next to him. >_>
16:04	VanessaE	good afternoon all
16:04	ElectronLibre	And, why do you say "good luck ebola-chan"? O_o
16:04	ElectronLibre	Hello VanessaE :).
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16:04	SylvieLorxu	ElectronLibre: It's some messed up 4chan thing
16:05	ElectronLibre	I had understood that.. o.o
16:05	SylvieLorxu	That's basically all there is to it
16:06	SylvieLorxu	Asking 4chan to make sense is like asking a bear to drive a car
16:06	SylvieLorxu	Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdMp-4k55Oo
16:06	ElectronLibre	!title
16:06	MinetestBot	ElectronLibre: Gravity Falls - Seeing-Eye-Bear! - YouTube
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16:15	shadowzone	Hi.
16:16	shadowzone	jojoa1997, what's the channel's name again I am using a different PC with different settings.
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16:20	jojoa1997	##shadowempire
16:20	jojoa1997	shell_
16:20	jojoa1997	oh sorry
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16:30	OldCoder	Hi. Twice, now, a world of mine has simply stopped responding without error messages. No high CPU. Is there a debug switch to add to produce more output to indicate where it locks up?
16:31	Calinou	debug_log_level = 4
16:31	Calinou	most verbose, default is 2
16:31	Calinou	0 to disable logging
16:31	Calinou	then read debug.txt
16:32	OldCoder	Calinou, so should add 0 for the other worlds?
16:32	OldCoder	To allow me to focus on the errant one?
16:33	OldCoder	I shall proceed, thank you
16:33	OldCoder	The lockups are not hard. SIGINT is received but not performed.
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16:35	kaeza	greetings
16:35	OldCoder	greetings
16:35	OldCoder	Calinou, thanks
16:36	OldCoder	kaeza, SilverCrab has simply stopped responding twice. No high CPU and it receives signals. Calinou has advised debug_log_level = 4
16:36	* OldCoder	is resting a bit
16:36	Calinou	hi
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16:50	jordan4ibanez	Wuh oh http://www.reddit.com/r/admincraft/comments/2iwpk4/wolvereness_got_letter_from_mojangs_attorney_that/
16:50	jordan4ibanez	Hopefully Microsoft doesn't try to come into Minetest
16:51	Calinou	and /r/admincraftâ€¦
16:52	jordan4ibanez	In other news http://www.gorillaoffroadcompany.com/product-detail.cfm/prd_key/44
16:52	jordan4ibanez	That looks amazing!
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16:55	rubenwardy	Hi all!
16:56	ElectronLibre	Hello rubenwardy :).
16:56	kaeza	ehlo
16:58	Calinou	http://www.reddit.com/user/_Grum
16:58	Calinou	hahaha dat downvotes on the EULA stuff (1 month ago)
16:59	Calinou	but I also seeâ€¦ â€œRIP seamless stone slabs. You will be missed.â€ â†’ which is where I got the Stone Tile idea from when I started More Blocks.
17:00	* Krock	wonders why settings aren't saving after changing one with /'set'
17:00	Krock	*"/set"
17:01	Krock	!server Because
17:01	MinetestBot	Krock: Because lol. \| 85.6.218.161:61562 \| Clients: 0/15, 1/2 \| Version: 0.4.10-dev_MSVC / base \| Ping: 55ms
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17:01	Krock	^ testing yappy mapgen there
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17:04	Calinou	it is not made to save them â€”celeron55
17:04	kaeza	that guy nailed it
17:05	Dragonop	hey krock, can i join?
17:05	Krock	Dragonop, sure.
17:05	Dragonop	thanks!
17:06	PenguinDad	Krock: y not for da lulz? :P
17:06	Krock	PenguinDad, cuz such kitty speek
17:06	kaeza	companies just add clauses to the EULAs with the excuse of "reducing piracy". but guess what? the "pirates" (I disagree with the term, BTW) are unaffected, while legit customers are fucked
17:07	VanessaE	companies don't realize the simple truth:
17:07	VanessaE	"If I can see it, I can copy it."
17:07	VanessaE	the copy may not be perfect, but that's immaterial.
17:09	VanessaE	(meanwhile, those of us who just want to play the media we legally purchased are often prevented from even seeing it in the first place)
17:10	Calinou	<VanessaE> "If I can see it, I can copy it."
17:10	Calinou	the magic of the analog hole
17:11	kilbith	-og
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17:14	kaeza	I wonder if watching a movie is illegal. since you're technically copying it to your brain :P
17:14	* kaeza	should not give them ideas
17:14	Calinou	kaeza, â€œThis map may not be copied without permissionâ€, says a game map.
17:14	Calinou	downloading it is copying it
17:14	VanessaE	it is if you're using Linux. :-/
17:14	SylvieLorxu	It is on any OS
17:15	SylvieLorxu	I sometimes have people tell me that, because they're streaming a video, they're not downloading it
17:15	SylvieLorxu	I guess this is why there's this mess
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17:15	SylvieLorxu	Even lawmakers don't even know what they're writing laws about
17:15	kaeza	-----+
17:15	kaeza	oops
17:17	kaeza	how long before
17:17	kaeza	you are charged by frame for watching a movie/playing a game, etc?
17:18	kaeza	also. this stupid keyboard...
17:20	kaeza	byyyyy the way. anything interesting happening today?
17:21	Calinou	48 fps movies would cost more then
17:21	PenguinDad	There only was something interesting for me yesterday :D
17:21	ElectronLibre	table.len(day("today").happening[]) ==> 0
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18:03	Hobodium	So, for v6 mapgen, does it create the map, add all the stuff like flowers, then make the caves in that order?
18:04	Calinou	Hobodium, v6 mapgen in C++ is only hills, water, caves, lava and so on
18:04	Calinou	fixtures like cacti, papyrus, flowers, ores, clay are generated afterwards using Lua
18:04	Calinou	trees are grown in C++ too initially (but they use Lua when they grow from saplings)
18:05	Hobodium	Okay, so caves are generated before anything lua defined is placed. Hrmm. Thank you very much, Calinou
18:09	Calinou	Lua mapgens work by using singlenode mapgen, which places air (or another one) everywhere, the fastest
18:09	Calinou	then the mapgen overrides these
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18:31	Krock	dat speed. 20:31:01: ACTION[EmergeThread0]: (-272,48,208) generated in 250 ms
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18:37	Krock	Dragonop, I meant the player left :3
18:37	Dragonop	i now :3
18:38	Dragonop	Krock, my inv was bugged
18:38	Krock	oh
18:51	Calinou	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/eamksdK4_asb.png
18:51	Calinou	me playing
18:54	alket	whats that icon above hearts ?
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18:56	rubenwardy	Armour?
18:56	ElectronLibre	The icons over the hearts?
18:56	PenguinDad	Amour :P
18:56	ElectronLibre	That's the armor level.
18:57	alket	is there a armor ?
18:57	alket	i couldnt make it work
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19:08	paramat	lol! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=156&p=157864#p157814 error: error in error
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19:28	riff	hi is there a way to install textures system wide or where are the default textures in 0.4.9
19:29	VanessaE	riff: put your texture pack into <mintest folder>/textures e.g. <minetest folder>/textures/Misa or similar, and then select them in the menu
19:29	ElectronLibre	Default textures are in ./games/<anygame>/mods/<anymod>/textures
19:29	VanessaE	and please use 0.4.10 or later
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19:29	PenguinDad	because everything is better than 0.4.9 :D
19:30	PenguinDad	o/ EvergreenTree
19:30	* EvergreenTree	gives PenguinDad a penguin (a tux to be exact)
19:31	EvergreenTree	I have discovered the awesomeness that is vim. I always knew it was around ,but I had no idea you could customize it so much
19:31	EvergreenTree	I love it
19:31	Tux[Qyou]	:)
19:31	PenguinDad	Penguinception unlocked!
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19:33	riff	VanessaE, yes but that will only work on my client not the other users because I used software center also I want to edit the defaults
19:34	VanessaE	I know there's a way to do a server-wide texture pack
19:34	VanessaE	maybe <minetest folder>/textures/all or <minetest folder>/textures/server
19:34	VanessaE	I can't remember now but it's supposed to be pretty simple
19:35	VanessaE	but at any rate don't use the version of minetest in the software center, it's outdated.
19:35	VanessaE	get 0.4.10 from the stable PPA
19:35	VanessaE	or a -dev version from the daily-builds PPA
19:35	EvergreenTree	Or compile it yourself
19:35	VanessaE	or that ^^^
19:35	EvergreenTree	it isn't that difficult
19:35	EvergreenTree	but you can use the PPA if you like
19:36	EvergreenTree	You can use this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3837
19:36	EvergreenTree	that is for the latest git version of course
19:39	EvergreenTree	Then you can update it using "cd path_to_minetest/; git pull; make-j$(grep -e "/proc/cpuinfo")"
19:39	EvergreenTree	(after using Calinou's script of course)
19:40	riff	yeah last time I checked the website it said get 0.4.9 and thats only a version down from 10
19:41	VanessaE	riff: believe me, 0.4.9 is ollllllld :)
19:41	riff	not long ago I had 0.4.5
19:41	riff	but maybe I'll update
19:42	riff	whats the diffrence between them
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19:43	ElectronLibre	riff, are you from the past? x) The stable version is now the 0.4.10, believe us, and it is better than the 0.4.9 ^^
19:43	VanessaE	riff: http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog#0.4.9_.E2.86.92_0.4.10
19:43	Xavi	Hi john
19:43	JohnWD	Are you there Calinou?
19:43	JohnWD	And hey Xavi again
19:43	riff	yes I was born in the past
19:43	VanessaE	riff: ^^^^ that link shows everything that changed between 0.4.9 and 0.4.10
19:46	Calinou	yes JohnWD
19:47	riff	seems like I'll be updating the server then :-\|
19:47	JohnWD	Come play BigPappa Server :) he using Your Gamemode. but I am working on a Nation. anyways maybe see you there ;)
19:47	JohnWD	^Calinou
20:14	Tux[Qyou]	Calinou why are you so calinou?
20:17	Calinou	JohnWD, sorry, already found a server I like
20:17	Calinou	I don't have too much time for playing
20:17	JohnWD	Ok
20:28	blaise	Calinou: dedicating too much time to farmville two, eh?
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20:34	Calinou	no
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20:36	Krock	VanessaE, OldCoder, do you run all minetest servers on the same computer or for each server 1 computer?
20:36	Calinou	probably all servers on the same one
20:36	VanessaE	Krock: I run 8 of them, all on one physical machine
20:36	Calinou	it would be very inefficient to use 1 PC per server
20:37	Calinou	empty Minetest servers use almost no resources (except RAM)
20:37	VanessaE	all of them together take about 3GB RAM and consume 30 to 50% of one core.
20:38	VanessaE	when idle
20:38	VanessaE	(the RAM usage doesn't vary much)
20:38	Calinou	O_o
20:38	Calinou	why do empty servers use that much CPU
20:38	VanessaE	beats me
20:38	Calinou	when I have an idle minetestserver, I'm at 0 %
20:38	blaise	same here
20:39	VanessaE	could be an artifact of the hyperthread thing, it is an i3 after all
20:39	* blaise	gasps
20:39	VanessaE	so maybe some of that usage is from the slower core or the machine throttling foewn
20:39	VanessaE	down*
20:39	Calinou	I have HT too
20:39	VanessaE	for all I know that's 50% of one core running at like 600 MHz in idle mode
20:39	VanessaE	(it's 3.4 GHz max)
20:39	blaise	lol
20:40	blaise	no THz?
20:40	Calinou	still too high
20:40	* VanessaE	looks at her stats again
20:40	Jordach	as an AMD user here, 0% used too
20:40	VanessaE	Calinou: well, maybe you can tell me? http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/stats.html
20:41	VanessaE	servers have been a bit quiet the last couple of days, it IS the weekend after all
20:41	Calinou	you have a few players
20:41	VanessaE	yeah but look at the idle periods
20:41	VanessaE	like at around 16:00
20:42	VanessaE	oh yeah, /proc/cpuinfo shows that the cores are auto-ranging according to load
20:42	Krock	VanessaE, okay thanks
20:42	VanessaE	right now one of them isn't even doing 2.5 GHz
20:42	blaise	should put minetest on one of those 15MHz machines
20:43	VanessaE	15 MHz? O_o
20:43	PenguinDad	blaise: too many MHz :P
20:44	blaise	k, we'll make it a 250KHz machine then
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20:44	OldCoder	Krock, I run up to 20 worlds on one host
20:44	OldCoder	It's got pretty decent hardware
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20:47	Krock	OldCoder, >= quad core I guess
20:47	Xavi	Hi cg72
20:47	cg72	hi
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21:24	blaise	with any luck its a 12 core
21:24	blaise	or better
21:25	blaise	if we can get this stupid shrinkray working, we can have 1 billion cores in a cpu
21:25	PenguinDad	lol
21:27	VanessaE	heh
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21:30	ElectronLibre	Good bye everyone.
21:30	blaise	good bye
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21:36	blaise	ok, I got it
21:36	blaise	we need a metalica parrody for minetest
21:36	blaise	whiskey in the jar-o
21:36	blaise	but, no jar
21:36	blaise	nothing to do with jar
21:36	VanessaE	selloutica? bleh.
21:36	blaise	lmao
21:37	blaise	I'm just kidding, you know that right?
21:37	VanessaE	I know :)
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21:46	Xavi	How does my ip get changed to [unaffiliated/xaivanov] ?
21:46	VanessaE	Freenode probably gave you a cloak
21:47	VanessaE	idk how those work exactly except that they hide your true userhost from everyone else
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21:47	VanessaE	they're a network-wide feature you can request
21:50	JohnWD	Do my hide to?
21:50	JohnWD	I know for isis.inchra.net but Idk on here
21:51	VanessaE	er...
21:51	OldCoder	Krock is away?
21:51	VanessaE	how am I supposed to answer a question when he just leaves? :-/
21:51	OldCoder	Ditto
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21:52	OldCoder	VanessaE, he is still on over at Inchra
21:52	VanessaE	I know, I see him
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22:06	Jordach	!c 13*7
22:06	MinetestBot	91
22:07	* PenguinDad	throws a script in the channel https://gist.github.com/PenguinDad/d6f102f835f8c7bc606b
22:09	pitriss	Hi I want to ask.. Why register_alias can't work in moreores? Server version is 0.4.10 and it looks like :stairs* aliases are not appled.. Any idea?
22:18	pitriss	VanessaE: maybe you can help me? Do you had sometime similar problem with aliases?
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22:20	VanessaE	well it kinda depends
22:20	VanessaE	if a mod is already being loaded that is supplying nodes with those names, the aliases won't be used
22:21	VanessaE	it also depends on whether the node your alias points to exists at all when the alias command is executed
22:23	VanessaE	so e.g. if you want to alias foo:mynode --> bar:blahnode, then mod "bar" has to already be loaded, and bar:blahnode has to have already been defined before your alias command is executed, there must not be anything that defines foo:mynode.
22:25	VanessaE	what exactly are you trying to alias, and to what, with moreores? (and did you mean moreblocks?)
22:25	pitriss	err its just in stairsplus part of moreblocks..:) https://gitorious.org/calinou/moreblocks/source/6501336d86f2f55d9c7af1869b461cd9e7891ad7:stairsplus/stairs.lua#L122
22:25	VanessaE	I figured that's what you meant.
22:25	* VanessaE	looks
22:26	pitriss	i tried to copy that line with registering node but i changed name to ":stairs:*" and it worked.. node was registered correctly..
22:26	pitriss	when I used original alias code, /giveme wasn'Å§ working so I guess this alias line failed somehow
22:26	VanessaE	have you tried just dropping the leading colon from the alias?
22:27	VanessaE	minetest.register_alias("stairs:stair_" ....
22:27	VanessaE	instead of..
22:27	VanessaE	minetest.register_alias(":stairs:stair_"
22:27	pitriss	hmm will try.. thank you for advice:)
22:27	VanessaE	last I knew, aliases don't need the colon prefix trick
22:27	VanessaE	but I could be wrong
22:28	pitriss	no you was right..:)
22:28	pitriss	It is working
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22:28	VanessaE	oh good
22:28	VanessaE	you should mention this to calinou then
22:28	Viper168	best not to mess around with the colon if you don't have to
22:28	Viper168	could get messy
22:29	VanessaE	Viper168: lest it cause cancer? :P
22:30	pitriss	VanessaE: okay.. I will mention it or I will send pull request.. (if i figure out how to do so)
22:30	pitriss	VanessaE: thank you for your help
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22:30	VanessaE	no prob
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22:39	paramat	so i made a fork of MTGame, created a topic branch and made a pull request from it. now MTG is being updated, i fetched upstream and merged to master. do i also fetch-merge to my topic branches?
22:40	VanessaE	paramat: not sure exactly
22:40	VanessaE	(I suck at managing multiple branches)
22:40	paramat	git is scarier than core mapgen
22:40	VanessaE	haha
22:40	paramat	no kidding this is my 2nd pull request
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22:50	paramat	actually i think not ... and more study is required
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23:17	CatButts	hai guise
23:18	paramat	lol
23:18	CatButts	what is practical difference between MSVC build and MingW build on download site?
23:18	Jordach	MSVC runs faster
23:18	Jordach	that's about it
23:18	CatButts	ok
23:19	VanessaE	it just comes down to try one, if it doesn't work out for you, run the other :)
23:23	CatButts	MSVC it is
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23:27	CatButts	>friend runs 0.3,1 server, can't update
23:27	CatButts	what am I missing
23:30	CatButts	sound, for one
23:30	CatButts	haha
23:30	PenguinDad	> People use outdated versions
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23:31	PenguinDad	I told you dog I told you about outdated versions :P
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23:33	CatButts	bumarse
23:35	CatButts	I CAN'T EVEN DROWN MYSELF IN THIS VERSION
23:35	CatButts	hehehe
23:36	CatButts	maybe the server is creative mode
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23:37	CatButts	nope
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