Time Nick Message 00:08 * Fritigern has taken pics whilst mommy gave my daughter her very first solid food, mashed banana!!! http://67.170.30.149/P1060873_1280p.JPG 00:09 Fritigern She was like "what the flip i this, mommy? I don;t know this! I like it, i will swallow it, i want more of it, but what is this?" 00:12 VanessaE Fritigern: awwwwww 00:13 VanessaE she's adorable :D 00:13 Fritigern I was so excited to give her her first solids. I felt she's been ready for some time now (she's 6 months old) and now we've finally did it ;-) 00:15 Fritigern What you can not see in the pic, are her 5 teeth (and a molar is staring to pop through). She's developing so fast! 00:17 Fritigern She was just a week old when she first started to push her upper body up and look around. And at 3 months, she already insisted on trying to stand. Trying, because she's still a few months away from doing that on her own :-) 00:22 VanessaE very nice 00:22 VanessaE I think you'll be very proud :) 00:23 Fritigern I already am :-) 00:23 VanessaE good :) 00:23 jojoa1997 Hola 00:23 jojoa1997 Hi VanessaE 00:23 kaeza hola 00:23 VanessaE hey jojo 00:23 jojoa1997 yo kaeza 00:23 jojoa1997 yo soy kaeza 00:24 kaeza bien... creo 00:25 Fritigern yo soy queso? 00:29 VanessaE kaeza soy grande queso ;) 00:29 VanessaE fek, that came out wrong 00:31 jojoa1997 queso? 00:32 VanessaE cheese 00:32 jojoa1997 XD 00:32 jojoa1997 VanessaE is big cheese 00:32 kaeza hello, big cheese...? 00:32 jojoa1997 WAIT WAIT 00:32 VanessaE kaeza is the big cheese 00:33 jojoa1997 VanessaE is swiss cheese because she is "Holy" 00:33 VanessaE hah 00:33 VanessaE holy? me? HAH! 00:33 jojoa1997 :3 00:38 Fritigern VanessaE: If kaeza is the bog cheese, then are you quesito, the little cheese? 00:40 Fritigern bog? BIG!!! 00:42 VanessaE HAHAH 00:42 VanessaE kaeza: he don't know me very well, does he? ;) 00:59 kaeza heh 01:19 OldCoder bog cheese would make one sneeze 01:19 jentron Does minetest run on oracle? 01:20 OldCoder jentron, what is an Oracle? 01:21 jentron A database engine. 01:22 OldCoder Um, no 01:22 OldCoder Ah 01:22 OldCoder Do you mean 01:22 OldCoder will it use Oracle as a backend? 01:22 jentron Yes, that is what I meant 01:22 OldCoder I don't think so, yet 01:23 OldCoder The most common modes are SQLite3 and LevelDB 01:23 OldCoder I can double check if it's important 01:23 Zeno` You don't need to check because you're already right :) 01:23 OldCoder Ah 01:23 OldCoder Looks like there is talk of Oracle 01:24 OldCoder Hm, wait 01:24 OldCoder Upstream has an oracle setting but I've never heard of anybody trying it 01:24 jentron :) I have to learn oracle at work, I'm trying to justify playing. :D 01:24 OldCoder You could port 01:24 OldCoder the game to oracle 01:24 OldCoder and produce an Oracle related package 01:25 OldCoder Surely this would justify a raise 01:25 OldCoder Let me grep the source 01:25 OldCoder The branch I have doesn't show it, jentron 01:25 OldCoder You'd need to do the port 01:25 OldCoder Couldn't 01:25 OldCoder Couldn't hurt to ask 01:25 OldCoder 01:27 jentron I don't think I could get paid to do the port... I need to learn oracle on my own time so I can do boring stuff with it, but that doesn't mean I have to do boring stuff while learning on my own 01:30 OldCoder All right 01:30 OldCoder Port might not be too difficult 01:30 OldCoder If it is similar to SQL 01:30 OldCoder jentron 01:31 jentron Oracle runs vanilla SQL, with their own extensions tacked on, I think 01:31 OldCoder then give it a try 01:31 OldCoder People here will help 01:31 OldCoder As it will extend the core 01:32 OldCoder I can show you how to build 01:32 OldCoder You will need Linux or UNIX 01:32 jentron I've got linux... Server only runs on linux? 01:32 OldCoder Hm? Minetest? Runs on most systems 01:32 OldCoder Including Windows 01:33 OldCoder But really easiest to work on under Linux 01:33 OldCoder Runs on Kindle for example 01:33 jentron Doesn't run very well on my Samsung Note. 01:33 * OldCoder is not familiar 01:34 OldCoder Anyway Linux should be fine 01:34 jentron Railroad tracks extend to the sky and the touches really confuse it. 01:34 OldCoder And can test against an Oracle server running on any LAN host 01:34 * OldCoder has not worked on the mobile 01:35 jentron I'm in the process of pulling Oracle down now. My lan is very slow today 01:41 ExeterDad having trouble overlaying a 64px texture over a 16px default texture on a node. 16px base texture is completely covered as it appears only 16px of the overlay is used and there is no alpha in that area. tiles = {"base16px.png^overlay64px.png"} 01:41 ExeterDad Any ideas? 01:42 paramat probably necessary to convert the 64 texture to 16 01:42 ExeterDad That's a shame as the textures in the set are 64px 01:43 paramat (or the 16 to 64) 01:44 ExeterDad making more asphalt nodes for streetsmod. I want the aspalt with alpha to overlay whatever grass texture user has installed so it matches. 01:48 paramat AFAIK texture overlay requires the same resolution, no way around that 01:49 VanessaE there is no way around it, however there was at one time some intent on fixing that. 01:49 ExeterDad I accept that. Was hoping it was not the case :( 01:49 VanessaE no doubt RealBadAngel had some pull request pending that would auto-scale overlaid textures so that they all matched 01:50 ExeterDad 16px asphalt nodes will look like ass next to the asphalt in the mod LOL 01:51 ExeterDad Resizing default grass might look okay if used, but horrible next to texturpack grass. I may of lost my motivation on this one. 01:52 ExeterDad Thanks for the confirmation though 01:53 ExeterDad btw... nice to see you guys in realtime :D 01:55 Zeno` Is there any way to check the integrity of a leveldb database? 02:01 paramat if you resize grass to 64, use no interpolation, then it will be visually identical to 16px grass 02:02 paramat bbl 02:04 jentron Ug, cmake 02:04 Fritigern jentron: It'd be compiled beofre you know it :-) 02:04 jentron :P 02:05 jentron I can't complain too much. MSVC/Visual Studio is next on the hit parade at work 02:06 ExeterDad paramat, I might just do that for now and hope scaling is added in the near future. Thanks to you and VanessaE 02:07 Fritigern jentron: I always use this script to build MT https://gist.github.com/Fritigern/4e21484ec27d6416cc49 02:09 jentron Now, what's my github password 02:09 jentron ? :D 02:10 VanessaE password1. 02:10 VanessaE :) 02:10 VanessaE no, wait.. 02:10 Fritigern I think it's qwerty 02:10 VanessaE it's.. *looks& 02:10 VanessaE 1-2-3-4-5 02:11 Fritigern Mine is ******** 02:12 Fritigern One of my minetest accounts for my own server has "0" as a password :-) 02:12 Fritigern I just hope i will be able to remember that 02:13 Fritigern BTW, jentron, you do not need a password to clone or pull code from Github 02:14 jentron Fritigern, true but I made a password last month to submit a patch to a project... 02:14 jentron I usually use gitorious 02:15 jentron So master is the dev head, and 0.4.10 lives in the stable-0.4 branch? 02:15 VanessaE I believe so 02:18 OldCoder How do I heal an injured sheep? 02:18 OldCoder Heh. I added animals and the kids don't want a sheep to die. 02:19 OldCoder VanessaE, ever heal a sheep? ^ 02:19 VanessaE er...I don't know if you can 02:19 VanessaE maybe right click the sheep while wielding wheat? 02:19 VanessaE I think that feeds it 02:20 VanessaE might be enough to heal it, idk for sure 02:20 OldCoder We'll see 02:20 OldCoder ty 02:21 jentron I haven't had luck with the animals_modpack-2.4.2 02:31 Fritigern I have a bit of a farming issue 02:31 Fritigern Wheat refuses to be sown. I have wheat seeds, tilled dirt, well irrigated, but seeds will not sow 02:32 VanessaE I've seen others mention this... 02:32 VanessaE I wonder wtf is going on with this? 02:34 VanessaE is that only with minetest_game or do you also have trouble in, say, dreambuilder? 02:35 Fritigern I have it on my own server, which is based on minetest_game, added a little technic and a lot of myself. 02:35 VanessaE hm. 02:36 VanessaE well it works okay in Dreambuilder at least. :) 02:36 Fritigern There are a total of 3 farming mods: farming, farmin_plus and hydro 02:36 VanessaE (just checked) 02:37 Fritigern Hydro refuses to grow too. I have a grow lamp, it's sown in promix, there's water under the promix, but it's not growing. Perhaps i should try disabling hydro and see if that fixes stuff? 02:39 Fritigern Oh, i can;t right now, there are people online 02:39 VanessaE I can confirm the problem with vanilla minetest_game 02:40 Fritigern Ah, so it is also a vanilla issue then. That bites. 02:40 VanessaE I believe with hydro, the trick is having the grow light exactly the right distance from the promix 02:41 jentron What's the dev package for bzip2 on debian? 02:41 VanessaE I seem to recall 3 or 4 meters. 02:41 Fritigern Yeah there need to be 2 blocks between the promix and the bottom of the lamp 02:41 Fritigern So a frame for the lam needs to be 4 nodes high 02:42 VanessaE I am not sure why it's not working though in vanilla minetest_game 02:42 VanessaE you'll have to file an issue about it 02:43 VanessaE (the seeds I mean) 02:43 VanessaE wait 02:43 Fritigern I think i will remove hydro anyway, it only confuses people. They get seeds and try to plant them, not knowing that they also need promix and a grow lamp, then get annoyed, or die of hunger 02:43 VanessaE they DO work 02:43 VanessaE you have to place them and then they sow themselves after a bit 02:44 Fritigern They get returned to my inventory, and then weed grows 02:44 Fritigern instead of wheat 02:45 VanessaE lemme let this run for a few mins and see what it does 02:46 VanessaE I wonder if the thing that appeared there was a weed also. 02:46 Fritigern It could also be farming_plus that causes it, i would have to check and experiment 02:47 VanessaE ok, I placed three seeds on irrigated, tilled soil. after a minute or so, two of them turned into some kind of plant. 02:47 VanessaE the third is still waiting. 02:47 Fritigern LOL! "Some kind of plant" Could be a venus fly trap :-) 02:48 * Zeno` eats it 02:48 VanessaE I can't tell if these are wheat or just weeds, they're too small 02:48 Zeno` nope doesn't taste like venus fly trap 02:48 VanessaE but the wheat seeds definitely didn't return to my inventory 02:48 Zeno` I feel a bit... weird 02:48 Fritigern Hmmmm.... If you break one and you gt weed, then it is weed :-) 02:48 deasanta lol you need pipeworks to tell the difference 02:48 VanessaE maybe your copy of farming_plus is conflicting 02:48 * VanessaE breaks one of them 02:48 VanessaE I got nothing. 02:48 Zeno` there is a thread on the forums about farming_plus and some things not working 02:49 VanessaE it aint' weeds. 02:49 Fritigern VanessaE: Then it was prolly wheat 02:49 Fritigern It was too young to return any seeds 02:49 Zeno` I don't think it's wheat.. I feel too good for it to have been wheat 02:49 * VanessaE replants and waits a bit more. 02:50 Zeno` possibly I'm experiencing a placebo-like affect though 02:50 VanessaE Zeno`: you prolly ate a 'shroom :P 02:50 Fritigern LOL! 02:50 VanessaE I TOLD you those green things were weird :P 02:50 Zeno` maybe 02:51 Fritigern Sometimes i feel like such a complainer, as if nothing is ever good enough. But then i remember that if i report an actual issue and it gts fixed, everyone benefits 02:52 VanessaE Fritigern: those planted seeds are definitely growing taller. 02:52 VanessaE so it IS working under vanilla minetest_game 02:53 Fritigern I am currently talking to someone on Pacata, but once i am done, i will try different combinations of farming and food mods 02:55 VanessaE ok 03:04 Hobodium What light level does the overworld get on average at night? 03:05 VanessaE 3 or 4 I think 03:07 Hobodium Thanks 03:07 VanessaE Sep 29 2014 13:56:38 Anyone know what the moon's light level is? Like 03:07 VanessaE , what's the light level of a node lit only by moon at midnight 03:07 VanessaE Sep 29 2014 13:57:22 4 or so 03:17 NANOsoldierEnke What's the method to replace the overwrite of something in the minetest_game with modded code? 03:18 VanessaE NANOsoldierEnke: minetest.override_item() 03:18 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1346 03:18 VanessaE that's how you redefine an object if you need to 03:19 NANOsoldierEnke Thanks. Just needed a word to search the api for. 03:19 VanessaE and any time you supply a mod with the same name as a mod in minetest_game, your mod will be loaded instead of the one in the game. 03:20 VanessaE bear in mind that this function doesn't exist in 0.4.10, but only in -dev builds 03:21 VanessaE I think. 03:21 VanessaE it'll be in 0.4.11 anyway :) 03:22 NANOsoldierEnke Huh. That may come in handy. 03:24 * Fritigern runs only dev builds of minetest and minetest_game, gets questions about the tefture pack in use :-) 03:24 Fritigern *texture 03:27 VanessaE WARNING: Expect a flood attempt. 03:30 Hobodium Hooray, someones server uses my mod now, I feel so accomplished 03:30 VanessaE cool :) 03:30 Fritigern Which mod is that? 03:31 Hobodium I havn't really published it yet, but it has growable mushrooms 03:32 Fritigern Oh, i thuink i have read about it a short while ago. I had planned to use them for MineTestCraft 03:33 Hobodium I don't know how you read about it, I just made it yesterday and I havn't published it... 03:33 Hobodium Stay out of my house pls :y 03:33 Fritigern Really? Then it much have been a dofferent mod 03:33 Fritigern *different 03:33 VanessaE Hobodium: just FYI plantlife has plantable/growable mushrooms also :) 03:34 VanessaE however yours probably work better :P 03:34 Hobodium I figured someone else made mushrooms at some point, I just wanted a starter project. Plus I have mushroom shovels :y 03:34 VanessaE heheh 03:34 * Fritigern has plantlife, but no shrooms in my world 03:34 VanessaE Fritigern: they only grow under limited conditions, and the mushroom mod is a fairly new addition 03:34 * NANOsoldierEnke just finished a micromod that lets you craft sources. 03:35 NANOsoldierEnke Not sure why; someone requested it. 20 lines of code later, there it was... 03:36 NANOsoldierEnke It was actually kind of scary. 03:39 VanessaE best way to do it really. 03:39 VanessaE someone needs a bit of code, you stepped up, and bam, there it is :) 03:40 VanessaE that's why I write the mods I write. I just like to make stuff people (myself included) can use. 03:41 Fritigern VanessaE: If i may make a suggestion: include the date of the last edit of the plantlife modpack in the readme file, that way it gets easier to tell if a mod(pack) is outdated or not 03:42 VanessaE Fritigern: I used to do that, but I found myself forgetting to update that date :P 03:42 VanessaE so I rely on the commit log for that now 03:42 Fritigern Yes, but i, as the end user, do not know which version of plantlife i have 03:43 VanessaE you have the same version I do: 0.0.0 :-) 03:43 Fritigern (installed from zip) 03:43 VanessaE (that is to say, I don't use version numbers, just commit dates) 03:43 Fritigern dates are just as good as version numbers 03:43 VanessaE one way to know is to watch the forum thread for updates 03:44 Fritigern My server counts 151 mods. I can not track all of them 03:44 NANOsoldierEnke VanessaE: Used to do that with a version history. Forgot to update that too. :-P 03:44 VanessaE Fritigern: that's a lot :P 03:45 NANOsoldierEnke Ah vell. G'night e'rryone 03:45 Fritigern VanessaE: It used to be 159 :-) 03:45 Zeno` mushrooms! 03:46 VanessaE Zeno`: come down out of the clouds, those magic 'shrooms should have worn off by now ;-) 03:46 Zeno` But... they're all nice and white and fluffy 03:46 Zeno` They tickle my nose 03:46 VanessaE Fritigern: actually, if you tell the forum to subscribe you to the thread for the mod, it'll email you whenever someone posts 03:46 VanessaE so you'll get my update notices then 03:47 VanessaE Zeno`: ~Mercer@177.39.245.248 03:47 VanessaE fuck 03:47 Fritigern VanessaE: Aparrently, my plantlife was ANCIENT, containing only bushes classic, flowers plus, junglegrass, plants_lib and poisonivy 03:47 VanessaE paste error. Zeno`: http://xkcd.com/941/ 03:47 Zeno` lol 03:47 VanessaE Fritigern: oh wow. yeah, updatre that bad boy 03:47 VanessaE -r 03:47 * Fritigern does not wishj to fornicate at this very moment. Can we do that later? :-) 03:48 * Zeno` shuts his eyes 03:48 VanessaE heh 03:48 Fritigern Oh, dos the modpack have to be called "plantlife_modpack", or can i rename it to just "plantlife"? 03:49 VanessaE Fritigern: plantlife has seen major updates in the past weeks. yes, you can leave the name as plantlife. I recommend you just delete it, however, and re-download it and re-install. 03:49 VanessaE it's a modpack so the name doesn't actually matter 03:49 Fritigern I was moving the unpacked new plantlife 03:50 Fritigern renamed the old one so that it would be disabled, in case of issues 03:50 VanessaE I'm not sure if merely renaming it will be enough to disable the old copy. move it out of minetest's reach entirely 03:51 VanessaE (the way I manage my mods, renaming would indeed be insufficient) 03:51 Fritigern Oh, it is enough, trust me ;-) 03:51 VanessaE heh ok 03:51 Zeno` On Linux it is enough to rename to a hidden file (e.g. .plantlife_old) 03:52 Zeno` well, that's if mods are in the worldmods/ directory anyway... I dunno about normal mods directory but I suspect it would be the same 03:52 VanessaE I wasn't aware that minetest respected that concept. 03:52 Zeno` Does for me :) 03:52 VanessaE (considering how...unorthodox it is in other respects ;) ) 03:52 Fritigern Meh, i just named it "plantlife_ANCIENT". This causes the game not to find ot for two reasons: 1- the game does not allow uppercase, and 2- the name is different from what world.mt expects 03:53 VanessaE ah, good call 03:53 Zeno` I wouldn't mind an ancient plantlife modpack 03:53 VanessaE anywho, the new update has much more stuff but with the spread-out generating method you should notice little or no lag 03:53 VanessaE or you can delete the components you don't want, of course 03:53 Zeno` Archaeoviola etc 03:54 * Fritigern didn't notice any plantlife-related lag 03:55 VanessaE Fritigern: the ancient versions didn't actually have many things hooking into the mapgen. the modern versions have lots of stuff hooking in. until recently, that caused lots of lag 03:58 * Zeno` feels guilty about the mushrooms 03:58 Zeno` I was updating that but have been on a two week tangent :( 03:59 VanessaE and ferns ;) 03:59 VanessaE weren't you working on some update for that module also? ;) 03:59 Zeno` didn't I already do ferns? 03:59 VanessaE no wait.. not ferns 03:59 VanessaE what was it.. 03:59 Zeno` oh wait.. I only did giant tree ferns I think 03:59 Zeno` I can't remember now 03:59 Hobodium So I learned I need to figure out how to do mapgen better. 04:00 Zeno` it was dry plants 04:00 Zeno` that are not dry plants 04:00 VanessaE ah yes 04:00 VanessaE that's the one 04:00 VanessaE Hobodium: just hook into plants_lib ;) 04:00 Fritigern Alright, ready to test and find out which mod prevents me from sowing wheat. Will report my findings as soon as i have something to report 04:00 VanessaE good luck 04:00 VanessaE I'm about to call it a night here 04:01 Hobodium Thanks for the help, I'll look into plants_lib 04:02 VanessaE ok, I'm off to bed 04:02 VanessaE night all 04:02 Fritigern Sleep well! 04:02 VanessaE let's see if I can actually sleep :) 04:02 VanessaE thanks 04:03 Zeno` night 04:07 Fritigern Okay. The culprit is, believe it or not: farming_plus 04:08 Fritigern OH! I see VanessaE has made a commit to farming_plus only 9 days ago. Redownloading it, and testing! 04:11 Fritigern That fixed it! VanessaE copnsider yourself hugged!!!! 04:18 Zeno` there is a thread on the forums about farming_plus and some things not working 04:18 Zeno` I don't get a hug? 04:19 Zeno` The answer has been there all along :p 04:19 Zeno` https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2787&hilit=farming_plus&start=300 04:25 jentron Is there a list of debian build dependencies somewhere? 04:26 Zeno` https://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/minetest <-- good start 04:27 Zeno` you will need the development versions as well, of course 04:27 Hobodium Later dudes 04:30 jentron Thanks 04:36 jentron http://dev.minetest.net/CMake_Options is even better 04:38 Zeno` yes :) 04:38 Zeno` can even make fancy graphs 04:38 Zeno` http://i.imgur.com/BGGHNzc.jpg 04:47 jentron Just a filename to search is better than the obscure cmake whine 04:53 OldCoder Dragonop, mos_basik moin 04:55 Dragonop what? 04:56 blaise moin, morning, morgen 04:56 blaise gutten morgen 04:57 blaise was ist los? 05:03 Dragonop oh, thanks :-) 05:05 Zeno` somebody was whining? 05:17 VanessaE well THAT was an utter failure :-/ 05:17 * VanessaE can't sleep. 05:19 VanessaE Fritigern: I can't believe I forgot about Blockmen's patch. G*d I feel stupid :P 05:19 OldCoder blaise, he is Argentina. Spanish language not German :-) 05:20 OldCoder Argentina is furthest South MT'er I have met 05:20 VanessaE OldCoder: zeno is further south. Oz. :) 05:20 OldCoder The Moin was my own affectation. AU is further south? Very well! 05:20 OldCoder Dragonop, welcome back 05:20 VanessaE I think so *checks map* 05:21 Zeno` I suppose I should say g'day :/ 05:21 OldCoder No... 05:21 OldCoder It is 05:21 OldCoder "G'Day Mate!" 05:21 Zeno` lol 05:21 VanessaE hm, maybe not. depends on the part of Argentina in question I guess :) 05:21 * OldCoder loved Crocodile Dundee 05:21 OldCoder Dragonop, are you farther South than Australia? 05:22 OldCoder He may be asleep 05:22 Zeno` Southern parts of Argentina are at lower longitudes 05:22 Dragonop i think so 05:22 Zeno` err lats 05:22 OldCoder You think that you are asleep? OK 05:22 Dragonop A little 05:22 Dragonop its 2:00am in Argentina 05:23 Zeno` Crikey. That's not sleep, this is a sleep! 05:23 VanessaE for some reason I thought Argentina was much smaller than is shown here. didn't realize it goes pretty much all the way down to the southern tip of the continent. 05:23 OldCoder Not a small place no 05:23 Zeno` It's very cold down the bottom as well 05:23 Zeno` penguins live there 05:23 Dragonop small penguins 05:23 OldCoder Zeno`, did you like or dislike Crocodile Dundee? 05:23 Zeno` icebergs live there as well 05:23 Dragonop lol 05:23 OldCoder Icebergs "live" there? 05:24 VanessaE heh 05:24 Zeno` OldCoder, I thought it was funny because we're not like that at all (most of us) 05:24 OldCoder "We shall make a habitat for ourselves!" 05:24 Zeno` I enjoyed it 05:24 OldCoder Zeno`, just as most Silicon Valleyers are not Valley Girls 05:24 OldCoder Hm. That is probably outdated 05:24 OldCoder So you don't say "Crikey that is not a knife. THIS is a knife" ? 05:27 Zeno` OldCoder, they're not?! 05:27 * Zeno` cries 05:27 OldCoder Hm? 05:27 * OldCoder is confused 05:27 VanessaE heh 05:27 Zeno` I thought most Silicon Valleyers were Valley Girls 05:27 OldCoder Dragonop, you are now at the very heart of Minetest. Learn from the masters. 05:27 OldCoder No, Valley Girls are Southern California. 05:28 OldCoder Silicon Valley is entirely North. 05:28 VanessaE Dragonop: ...and prepare to run for your life, because it gets crazy in here :P 05:28 * Zeno` cracks open a beer and pours it on his breakfast cereal 05:28 OldCoder Two different countries 05:28 OldCoder Beer on Cheerios is Beerios 05:28 Zeno` lol 05:28 OldCoder Sounds good 05:28 VanessaE ew. 05:28 Zeno` needs sugar 05:28 * OldCoder does not eat cereal any more. As a boy he had Captain Crunch. 05:28 Zeno` Did you have a code wheel? 05:28 VanessaE there's already fermented sugar in the beer :P 05:29 OldCoder Oh, sure, the one thing that cereals need is more sugar 05:29 OldCoder Code wheel? Is this a real deal? You are joking I feel. 05:29 Zeno` That's what we could do tomorrow. Talk in cipher and everyone can sit here spinning their code wheels to decrypt the messages 05:29 OldCoder This is a 1960s thing 05:29 Zeno` lol 05:29 OldCoder You are surely not that old 05:29 Zeno` No 05:29 Zeno` I've just read about them :) 05:30 OldCoder We actually had them 05:30 Dragonop really? 05:30 OldCoder You could open cereal boxes and find secret decoder rings 05:30 OldCoder Sure! 05:30 Zeno` Yeah, I've read about them in... I think the book was "Hackers" by Stephen somebody 05:30 OldCoder Kids could be in secret clubs 05:30 OldCoder Exclusive to 1M others 05:30 Zeno` I'm still in a secret club 05:31 Dragonop .-. 05:31 OldCoder http://image.timepassagesnostalgia.com/watermarked/images64/6420ringchex.jpg 05:31 OldCoder Seriously, check it out ^ 05:31 Zeno` I'm the developer of the hodor cipher 05:31 OldCoder http://theimaginaryworld.com/pix407.jpg 05:31 OldCoder Hodor Cipher? 05:31 Zeno` I think I've lost the source code though 05:31 * OldCoder awaits details 05:31 OldCoder Oh No 05:31 Zeno` yes... for example: 05:31 Zeno` "HODor, hODOr, HOdor, hODOr, HodoR hodOr, hOdoR HODor, hoDoR, HoDOr, hODor, HodoR, hodOR! HoDOr, hoDor, hoDor, HOdor HoDor, hODOr, hODOr, HOdor!" 05:31 VanessaE the message reads... "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine" 05:32 Zeno` Translates to "HODOR IS HUNGRY! NEED FOOD!" 05:32 OldCoder Ofc 05:32 Zeno` (seriously) 05:32 Zeno` I was very bored one day :( 05:32 OldCoder http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ERzKIre4I_s/UVaOFb2X76I/AAAAAAAAjR4/X-UuSS3iQl0/s320/13.jpeg 05:32 Zeno` 7-bit hodor cipher 05:32 OldCoder That one is way older than me ^ 05:32 Zeno` it even looks old 05:33 OldCoder http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r178/Maynar/DecoderRing2012-02-28.gif 05:33 OldCoder My life is pop culture now 05:33 OldCoder I am truly old 05:33 Zeno` I hope I haven't lost the hodor cipher source code... perhaps it's on my laptop 05:33 OldCoder It must be rescued 05:33 OldCoder Data should not be lost 05:33 Dragonop Maybe you may write it down in paper 05:34 OldCoder He must nail down the algorithm 05:34 OldCoder Firebat, what is that? 05:34 Dragonop a bat light in fire? 05:35 OldCoder Could be we will see gee 05:35 Zeno` Not on my shared drive 05:36 Zeno` my leap year program is here 05:37 Zeno` http://codepad.org/m0j77nv8 05:37 Zeno` look how elegant that is 05:38 Zeno` an analogue leap year function... none of this bit twiddling rubbish 05:40 Dragonop What time is it there? 05:40 VanessaE 1:40am here 05:40 Dragonop Saturday? 05:41 VanessaE yeh 05:41 VanessaE +a 05:41 Zeno` I have a clock program as well VanessaE 05:41 Zeno` uses cogs as well, of course 05:41 VanessaE that program is just...evil 05:41 VanessaE analog cogs? in a digital world? 05:42 VanessaE *head explodes* 05:42 Zeno` yeah 05:42 Zeno` I did quite a few programs in my "cog series" 05:42 * Dragonop loves analog clocks 05:42 Zeno` I was going to make that leap year tester in real life 05:43 Zeno` But I failed making the cogs :( 05:43 VanessaE you want cogs, build a clock out of lego :) 05:43 Zeno` great idea! 05:43 VanessaE like this guy did: http://www.ericharshbarger.org/lego/clock.html 05:43 Zeno` I can resurrect my cog algorithms and build them all! 05:44 Zeno` errr.. mine might not be that large 05:44 VanessaE every so often I try again to recreate what he did, but I can never seem to get the escapement to behave *just* right due to my lack of the right parts 05:45 Zeno` yeah I remember reading heaps about clocks (and gears and cogs etc etc in general) when I went through my month of "let's do everything as if this wasn't digital" phase 05:46 Zeno` I dunno if I'd have the patience to make a clock as big as he did 05:47 VanessaE I have the patience. I just don't have the money to buy enough pieces :) 05:47 Zeno` well, hodorcipher source code doesn't seem to be here :/ 05:47 VanessaE have you any idea just how much LEGO bricks cost??? :) 05:48 Zeno` no, I used to just take them off the kid next door 05:48 Zeno` just joking! haha 05:48 Dragonop :D 05:49 Hobodium VanessaE what are you doing back already 05:49 Viper168 hey I know you Zeno` 05:49 Viper168 you're the one who kept stealing my legos 05:49 Viper168 ! 05:51 Dragonop Run, Zeno`, run! 05:51 VanessaE Hobodium: couldn't sleep :-/ 05:52 * Zeno` hides behind the sofa 05:52 Zeno` hodor bible still exists, but no hodor cipher :/ 05:53 Zeno` 1240 page PDF 05:53 Zeno` I must have been crazy 05:54 Dragonop t-that, weighs a lot right? 05:54 Zeno` yes. I haven't printed it though 05:54 Zeno` It's and unpublished book 05:54 Zeno` an* 05:55 Hobodium What a heavy pdf 05:55 Zeno` heh 05:57 VanessaE well you can work out the math that a PDF would actually have some amount of mass and therefore, weight 05:57 VanessaE (assume it's stored electrically, therefore a set number of electrons per bit. from there, the mass calculation is trivial) 05:57 Zeno` yes... trivial 05:57 * Zeno` will leave that for you to calculate 05:58 VanessaE trivial if you know the formula, which I don't :) 06:00 Zeno` I think it's E = mc^2 06:00 Zeno` oh oh oh 06:01 Zeno` guess what 06:01 Zeno` my refactored the_game() now connects to servers and downloads media etc etc etc 06:01 Zeno` I haven't worked on it today though... too lazy 06:01 Dragonop the_game? 06:03 VanessaE Zeno`: I'm pretty sure E=mc^2 is only part of the formula... knowing the mass of an electron would also be handy :-) 06:03 VanessaE and that's the formula for mass at a given velocity, not the formula for rest mass 06:03 VanessaE :) 06:04 OldCoder Um, you folks 06:04 OldCoder Some of you 06:04 OldCoder Know how literal the Old Coder is 06:04 OldCoder Is there really a 1,000-page cipher? 06:04 OldCoder 06:05 Dragonop Pi? 06:05 Zeno` OldCoder, there is really a hodor cipher, but the hodor bible is not written in that cipher 06:05 OldCoder All right 06:05 OldCoder Dragonop, pi never ends 06:05 OldCoder Kenneth and I used to compete at memorizing it 06:05 OldCoder 100 digits are sometimes with me still 06:06 Zeno` the hodor cipher is simply 7 bit (in reverse) "encoded" letters h o d o r where lowercase characters are 0 and uppercase are 1 06:06 OldCoder It seems... um, simple 06:06 OldCoder So your texts are not lost? 06:06 Zeno` yeah but I will have to rewrite the encode/decode (I could have done it in the time I'm spent searching for it lol) 06:07 Zeno` I've* 06:07 sol_invictus anyone can tell how to generate inventory image from a nodebox definition? 06:09 Zeno` so from memory Hodor == 'A' hOdor == 'B' HOdor == 'C' and so on 06:10 Zeno` pretty silly 06:10 OldCoder OldCoder respects Old hOdor 06:10 OldCoder inventory image 06:10 OldCoder Hm 06:10 * OldCoder needs to learn that 06:10 OldCoder 2D right? 06:11 Dragonop nodeboxes aren't 3D? 06:12 kaeza sol_invictus, you can't (yet) 06:14 kaeza sol_invictus, there's only `[inventorycube`, but it's for full cubes 06:14 sol_invictus dammit, the one games generate in incredibly small 06:14 sol_invictus game generates* 06:15 kaeza you could try taking a screenshot of the inventory, editing as needed, and using it as inventory_image 06:15 kaeza or render an appropriate image using e.g. blender or something 06:16 kaeza (it would show up as a flat extruded mesh in the hand though, instead of a proper 3D item) 06:16 sol_invictus is there anyway to import nodebox definition to blender? 06:17 sol_invictus (instead of recreating it) 06:17 kaeza nope 06:17 sol_invictus uh-oh, everything is so complicated 06:21 sol_invictus amazingly small bottle of wine :D http://i.imgur.com/SD6vXFj.png 06:22 kaeza uh, "removed" 06:22 sol_invictus woah, imgur over capacity. that was unexpected. 06:22 kaeza ·_· 06:22 sol_invictus https://mediacru.sh/ls4AplttpD6R 06:23 kaeza for that case though, it'd be better to create a plain image 06:24 Dragonop +1 06:26 sol_invictus true 06:27 sol_invictus but anyway I had cases when I needed generated image 06:27 sol_invictus you said yet, is anything gonna change soon? 06:29 Dragonop sol_invictus,are you creating a mod? 06:29 sol_invictus nope, I'm modding a mod (: 06:31 Dragonop I want to see that amazingly small bottle of wine 06:31 Dragonop :) 06:32 Krock meow 06:33 Dragonop meow 06:33 sol_invictus Dragonop: this is what it looks like https://cdn.mediacru.sh/pwmLPbKKVuyZ.png 06:34 sol_invictus Krock: hello kitty 06:35 Dragonop nice bottle 06:36 Krock sol_invictus, it's not round. 06:36 Dragonop minetest is about cubes 06:36 kaeza sol_invictus, I recall there was a discussion about that recently, but can't find the topic/issue 06:36 Dragonop i dont like round things in minetest 06:36 sol_invictus I have no idea how many nodeboxes it would be if round 06:36 * kaeza pets Krock 06:36 Krock rrr 06:37 Krock purr 06:37 Dragonop I have a cat, now it's trying to climb up my head 06:38 sol_invictus I had a cat, but he's gone now ): 06:38 Dragonop im so sorry 06:40 Krock I never had a cat and it never gone :) 06:41 Dragonop sol_invictus what program you use to make nodeboxes? 06:42 sol_invictus at first I used nodeboxeditor by rubenwardy to understand how nodeboxes works 06:42 sol_invictus the bottle I programmed by hands in geany lol 06:43 sol_invictus textures based on some bottle from homedecor mod 06:43 Dragonop homedecor has bottles?! 06:45 VanessaE yes 06:46 VanessaE and it will have more soon 06:46 VanessaE it has a green one and a brown one 06:46 VanessaE they were supposed to be beer and cola, but I decided at the time that I wanted them to be more generic 06:47 Dragonop Maybe you can make a lot of bottles , all togueter to simulate a ledge full of them 06:47 Dragonop *together 06:48 VanessaE actually that's the plan :) 06:48 VanessaE also I will be adding a wine rack 06:48 sol_invictus I think nodeboxeditor needs ability to clone nodeboxes 06:49 VanessaE e.g. something of this nature: https://www.google.fr/search?es_sm=122&tbm=isch&q=wine+cellar&revid=1490005681&sa=X&ei=CEwTVL7aM87qaICagTg&ved=0CCAQ1QIoAA&dpr=1&biw=1024&bih=685 06:49 VanessaE sol_invictus: that would be useful, yes 06:49 VanessaE Dragonop: I will be adding at least a couple of nodes with several bottles gathered together, but I haven't decided how to do that yet 06:50 Dragonop o: bottles ||:air o||o||o||o 06:50 Cylus Google.fr ... Are you French, VanessaE? 06:50 VanessaE Cylus: no, sorry. 06:50 Dragonop o||o||o 06:50 Dragonop ||o||o|| 06:50 VanessaE it's just a search result I had open from before that jp gave me. the wine rack was his idea 06:51 VanessaE (he's French, hence the .fr came from him :) ) 06:52 Cylus A wine rack would be kind of cool. Especially in a basement. 06:52 Cylus It's way past my bed time though. Good night, all! 06:53 OldCoder nite 06:53 OldCoder zzz 06:53 Dragonop good nite 06:53 OldCoder I have a cat, now it's trying to climb up my head 06:53 OldCoder Cats on my head 06:53 OldCoder Cats on my bead 06:53 OldCoder Cats on my bed * 06:53 OldCoder Cats books being read 06:54 OldCoder Cats saying meow what is this stuff 06:54 OldCoder You have no idea 06:54 OldCoder Being a cat is rough 06:54 OldCoder 06:54 OldCoder Cats practicing the arts 06:54 OldCoder Cats riding in arts 06:54 OldCoder Cats on the stairs 06:54 OldCoder Cats in the airs 06:54 OldCoder 06:54 OldCoder Cats here and there 06:54 OldCoder Cats everywhere 06:54 OldCoder 06:54 OldCoder *carts 06:54 OldCoder z 06:55 Dragonop Cat songs 06:55 OldCoder To songs cats belongs 06:55 * OldCoder is half under 06:55 OldCoder Dreams asunder 06:56 VanessaE oh no, he's going all silly again :) 06:57 Dragonop run!! 06:57 * Dragonop is running in circles 06:59 Dragonop 4:00am, only 3 hours to get up... 07:06 * VanessaE tosses Dragonop a bottle of Zzzquil 07:06 VanessaE tastes nasty but it's effective 07:06 Dragonop UH! 07:06 Dragonop What's goin on! 07:07 * Dragonop drinks 07:07 * Zeno` runs in circles as well 07:08 sol_invictus I wonder, has anyone tried to simulate drunkeness in minetest? 07:08 Zeno` I am like a spinning top! 07:08 Zeno` weeeeeeeeeee 07:08 Dragonop weeeeeeeeee 07:08 * Zeno` is pirouetting so fast that the whole world blurs into a single colour 07:09 Dragonop rainbow colour :B 07:09 sol_invictus Zeno, are you British? :O 07:11 Zeno` Australian 07:12 Zeno` Do the British spin as well? 07:13 Zeno` They must be jolly good chaps if they do 07:13 Zeno` and chapettes* 07:13 sol_invictus ah, no, I noticed 'ou' :D 07:15 Zeno` oh 07:15 Zeno` maybe they spin though 07:40 Krock mhm /me wants to add a humidity noise to his mapgen but he's absolutely out of ideas of biomes he could add 07:45 sol_invictus Krock: is it possible to make whole world covered in snow? 07:45 Krock sol_invictus, yes sure 07:46 sol_invictus nice, I have an idea for a survival game 07:46 Krock let me guess: in snow. 07:46 Krock with throwing snowballs 07:47 sol_invictus hmm, didn't think about snowballs :P 07:47 Krock lol 07:48 sol_invictus the main idea is survival in cold climate 07:48 sol_invictus it would require implementing temeperature bar for players 07:49 Dragonop Kaeza has a mod that shows humidity and temp 07:49 sol_invictus I guess it will be very hard to survive xD 07:49 Dragonop its in his modpack ''kaeza's misc stuff'' if you want to use it 07:50 sol_invictus hmm, I guess the best would be to create an addon for better_hud mod 07:53 sol_invictus Dragonop: didn't find anything temperature related in there 07:53 Dragonop wait a min 07:59 Dragonop my mistake, its called tempidity 07:59 Dragonop i dont now from where i take that it was a kaeza's mod 08:00 Dragonop https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9439& 08:02 sol_invictus lol 08:02 sol_invictus there is > break --nope.avi 08:03 sol_invictus does break actually work in lua? 08:03 sol_invictus I thought there is no such thing 08:03 kaeza yes 08:04 kaeza but no `continue` though :( 08:05 sol_invictus eh, what is the problem, lua 08:05 sol_invictus why'd they make break but not continue 08:41 Zeno` continue is trickier to implement 08:41 Zeno` break is just goto really 08:44 ElectronLibre Good [morning|afternoon|evening|night|night trapped in a cave] everyone. 09:34 LemonLake Is there like, a mod suggestions board or something? 09:36 ElectronLibre On the forum? 09:37 LemonLake yes, I found a thread after some digging 09:37 LemonLake though some of the suggestsions here just make me angry :P 09:37 LemonLake ooohh, birds sounds neat 09:41 * sfan5| meows at LemonLake 09:41 * LemonLake meows at sfan5 09:41 LemonLake +| 09:41 sfan5| :3 10:15 meldrian cats. cats everywhere 10:15 * ElectronLibre meows at meldrian. 10:21 Zeno` I have a furball :( 10:25 Krock Zeno`, that's a spambot 11:23 RumiaGloop meow 11:24 * ElectronLibre meows at RumiaGloop. 11:25 * sfan5 curls up to RumiaGloop's lap 11:25 * RumiaGloop pets sfan5 11:36 PenguinDad I love how I can't sneak in the android version :D 11:42 lemonlake PenguinDad: you can? 11:42 lemonlake its the button that looks almost like a house in the bottom right 11:43 lemonlake ItsLuke: the fuck you doing? 11:43 ItsLuke lemonlake, Nothing :P 11:45 PenguinDad lemonlake: that button is unresponsive 11:56 Fritigern Well, i guess i performed my first mod hack :-) It bothered me that cottages has only a steel hammer. So i added an obsidian one. :-) 11:57 Fritigern I prolly made it way OP, but i can always adjust it :-) 12:10 Megaf Hi all 12:10 kilbith hi Megaf 12:10 ElectronLibre Hello Megaf. 12:11 kilbith Megaf: tried your own build ? 12:11 Megaf ElectronLibre: PenguinDad, kilbith, you all should have Tox and add me 12:11 Megaf for freedoms sake 12:11 kilbith i'll try Tox later 12:11 ElectronLibre I have Tox. 12:12 Megaf My Tox 1DC9A272ABC30724E383B52DC14BA35E47E5492AF4F87BFA77851607ABB9651F9974DA354A4F 12:13 ElectronLibre Thank you :). 12:13 kilbith ouch 12:13 ElectronLibre The tox ID are enormous kilbith, it's normal. 12:13 kilbith crypty-feeling 12:18 SylvieLorxu Megaf: I have you on Tox but you never seem online. For the sake of being able to clean up my friend list a bit, which is filled with dead entries, did you remove me? :P 12:18 Megaf SylvieLorxu: Actually I didnt 12:19 Megaf maybe I have you on other PC, hold on a second please 12:19 kilbith Tox seems focused on 'out of the gov control' and privacy 12:19 Megaf exactely 12:19 kilbith but we should do not care about that if we aren't terrorist or so 12:20 SylvieLorxu Oh God not this again 12:20 SylvieLorxu That argument says that there are two kind of people 12:20 SylvieLorxu Those who are terrorists, and those who never do anything wrong or embarassing 12:20 kilbith i said 'or so' 12:20 ElectronLibre We have all the right to protect our private life using whatever we want, we are not terrorist, we are humans, we have right. 12:20 SylvieLorxu Yet, most people I know have things they'd only do with some privacy 12:20 SylvieLorxu Like singing a song 12:21 ElectronLibre *We all have 12:21 SylvieLorxu Or... other perfectly legal, yet embarassing things 12:21 SylvieLorxu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcSlowAhvUk <- Related 12:21 ElectronLibre !title 12:21 MinetestBot ElectronLibre: Glenn Greenwald: Why privacy matters - YouTube 12:22 ElectronLibre Interesting. 12:23 kilbith when you use a network, you shall accept that your privacy is not respected at all 12:23 kilbith or use the paper 12:23 kilbith that's the rule 12:24 SylvieLorxu Really? I never accepted that rule 12:24 SylvieLorxu There are enough ways to protect yourself 12:25 kilbith the world is dangereous now, terrorists use very well the network 12:26 kilbith we have to accept less freedom for more security, and some ways that states are taking to stop these criminals or terrorists 12:26 SylvieLorxu Pff 12:26 SylvieLorxu Nonsense 12:26 ElectronLibre kilbith, you're not forced to share all your life with the governement, of course you will be tracked, but you can protect yourself, because if you have the right that your privacy will be respected when you use paper, you have the same right when you use the internet. 12:26 SylvieLorxu The rate of crime has only been going down 12:26 Zeno` terrorists? 12:26 Zeno` what a load of FUD :P 12:26 SylvieLorxu But if you have nothing to hide, please give me the password of all your email and web accounts 12:26 SylvieLorxu If you're doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide, right? 12:26 SylvieLorxu So I won't find anything bad in there 12:26 Zeno` but, wait, think of the children! 12:27 kilbith " give me the password of all your email and web accounts" do not jump into the extreme example so easily 12:27 Zeno` if you're afraid of terrorists and your country makes restrictive laws to combat "them", then they've already won 12:28 Zeno` I'm looking at the USA here 12:28 SylvieLorxu kilbith: You just said only terrorists have things to hide 12:28 SylvieLorxu If you're not a terrorist, then you can safely share your passwords and let me look through your accounts 12:28 ElectronLibre kilbith, don't jump into the extreme too, you are tracked, but you can at least protect yourself a little.. 12:28 Megaf SylvieLorxu: you are on another computer :) 12:28 kilbith SylvieLorxu : if you works on the gov and/or mandated for this, I do 12:29 Zeno` think of the kittens! 12:29 SylvieLorxu kilbith: Why not share with me anyway? Are you a terrorist who has things to hide? 12:29 Zeno` we must read all your stuff because the kittens may be in danger if we don't! 12:30 SylvieLorxu I thought good people like you shouldn't worry because they have nothing to hide 12:30 SylvieLorxu Then I can't find anything bad either 12:30 ElectronLibre First, think of the nodes! 12:30 Zeno` Actually I wouldn't mind reading you email, kilbith 12:30 kilbith SylvieLorxu : i do not want to share my privacy with non-gov people, untrustable 12:30 Zeno` is that ok/? 12:30 Zeno` I am a gov person 12:30 SylvieLorxu kilbith: I thought good people didn't need privacy? 12:31 Zeno` I trust you, so you should trust me. I'm thinking of the kitties 12:31 Zeno` If you haven't eaten a cat then you should have no worries about me reading your email 12:32 Zeno` On the other hand, I *have* eaten a cat :3 12:32 Zeno` Gave me furball problems 12:33 kilbith something like Manichean in the freedom fighters thoughts... certainty that the govs are fundamentally evil 12:33 * Zeno` coughs 12:33 Zeno` sorry... furball 12:35 kilbith in this principle, it would annoys me to not use Google, Youtube, facebook... 12:35 kilbith their alternatives sucks a bit 12:36 SylvieLorxu Governments aren't fundamentally evil, but one should not forget that the most important part for the government is keeping itself intact 12:36 SylvieLorxu Citizens come second 12:36 Dragonop iul{ppṕ} 12:36 Dragonop Sorry, it was my cat 12:36 Krock meow 12:36 SylvieLorxu You can safely use "Google" (which services do you even mean) and YouTube if you use it with Tor 12:37 * sfan5 meows at Dragonop 12:37 SylvieLorxu Facebook, well, using that is just suicide 12:37 * Dragonop purrs 12:37 SylvieLorxu "Terms and Conditions May Apply" is a good documentary showing why 12:38 SylvieLorxu (Which will take you less time to watch than it'll take you to actually read the Facebook Terms and Conditions, possibly) 12:40 kilbith "but one should not forget that the most important part for the government is keeping itself intact" <- govs are often in right, citizens must are just a relative 'adjustment variable', the govs must be an absolute entity 12:40 kilbith (sort of) 12:40 SylvieLorxu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bau6K8OXnv4 <- This shows the insanity of mass surveillance 12:40 SylvieLorxu An 8 year old terror subject, seriously? 12:40 SylvieLorxu s/subject/suspect/ 12:42 kilbith 8 year kid can be an influencable tool for terrorists 12:42 SylvieLorxu Okay, I give up 12:42 SylvieLorxu That one comment told me enough 12:43 kilbith that's the reality, here you live, it's the peaceful paradise 12:43 SylvieLorxu Pff 12:43 Zeno` Who are the terrorists? 12:43 SylvieLorxu I feel sorry for you, really 12:43 kilbith ditto 12:43 Zeno` Who are the terrorists? 12:43 SylvieLorxu You mindlessly believe what people in power tell you, history should've told you otherwise 12:44 kilbith I do not want to define the terrorists there, it's off-topic and can affect some sensibilities 12:44 kilbith govs can define very well them 12:44 Zeno` Nah, I'd like to know who the terrorists are 12:44 kilbith not here 12:44 Zeno` Why not? 12:44 SylvieLorxu lol, sure they can, that's why that 8 year old kid is on a watchlist 12:44 kilbith it's off-topic 12:45 Zeno` Well, since the conversation has been about them for the last hour I don't think it's offtopic 12:45 kilbith we talked about privacy on internet, not much offtopic than this subject 12:45 Zeno` So you won't say it here because your idea of a terrorist is racist? 12:46 kilbith ?! 12:46 Zeno` If not, tell me who the terrorists are 12:46 kilbith where did you see I'm talked about racism ?! 12:46 ElectronLibre We were talking about Tox, and now we are talking about terrorism and racism, I really don't understand. :° 12:46 Zeno` Your reluctance to tell me who the terrorists are tells me all I need to know 12:46 kilbith do not say lies to decredibilize me please 12:47 Zeno` Prove me wrong then and tell me who the terrorists are 12:47 SylvieLorxu ElectronLibre: Some people freak out about people taking back their right to privacy 12:47 kilbith I never talked about racism 12:47 Zeno` I dunno who the terrorists are and I'd really like to know 12:47 ElectronLibre No, but the topic came from nowhere x).. 12:48 PenguinDad ElectronLibre: no it came from kilbith 12:48 kilbith I do not want to argue with someone who think that I'm racist 12:48 Zeno` Just tell me so I can protect myself! 12:48 Dragonop Maybe you can use Tor 12:49 ElectronLibre The answer of every of this conversation is simple, we can use Tox, Tor, and everything to protect ourself, and there will always be some tracking from gov and thoses how make the internet. 12:50 SylvieLorxu We can avoid 95% of the tracking pretty easily, though. But yeah, the last 5% will be more difficult for most :P 12:51 Dragonop Being realistic, if you live outside the United States, you can avoid the tracking easily 12:52 SylvieLorxu Or if you live in one of those 7 countries that aren't tracked 12:52 ElectronLibre But in the U.S., it's more complicated ^^. (I just say hello to the NSA who is now watching us :°.) 12:52 SylvieLorxu Because "there are no terrorists there", of course 12:52 SylvieLorxu (It's so clearly about power) 12:54 Dragonop It's weird how Google says to you constantly that they are watching you 12:55 ElectronLibre SylvieLorxu, which countries are you talking about exactly? 13:00 SylvieLorxu http://techcrunch.com/2014/06/30/court-allowed-nsa-to-spy-on-all-but-4-countries/ 'Only four countries in the world — Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand — were exempt from the agreement, due to existing no-spying agreements that the Post highlights in this document about the group of countries, known as “Five Eyes” with the U.S.' 13:00 SylvieLorxu Sorry, 4, not 7 13:00 SylvieLorxu Those countries have their own divisions 13:00 SylvieLorxu But still 13:00 * ElectronLibre isn't in one of them :°... 13:26 Zeno` I take back my suggestion that perhaps kilbith is racist 13:26 Zeno` I think the problem is more like a lack of understanding of other people's points of view 13:27 PenguinDad If only terrorists have somthing to hide than most chinese people would be terrorists :/ 13:54 OldCoder Should I use mapgen 7 vs. 6? 13:54 shadowzone Don 13:54 shadowzone Don't used v7. 13:54 OldCoder kk y ? 13:54 shadowzone Unless you want a all stone world. 13:54 OldCoder It is buggy? 13:55 shadowzone Yes. 13:55 OldCoder kkty 14:11 Krock wat? v7 is not buggy 14:12 Dragonop it's WIP 14:23 Dragonop Hey, want to make some music with other people, check this out: http://labs.dinahmoe.com/plink/ 14:23 Dragonop It's a multiplayer ''game'' 15:17 Krock so, finally that stuff worked 15:17 Krock https://github.com/SmallJoker/yappy/commit/bbf1ab 15:28 Krock Dragonop, clicked that link last time some months ago .. a funny game :) 15:40 Dragonop :) 15:59 harrison https://freedomboard.kirara.ca/ask/src/1410697408164.png 15:59 harrison good luck ebola-chan! 16:00 sfan5 harrison: wat 16:00 harrison wat wat 16:01 harrison do you mean wat travel or wat ebolachan? 16:01 harrison oic 16:01 harrison u mean ebola-chan 16:01 harrison well, she is the anime mascot of the ebola virus 16:02 harrison i am surpried that you haven't seen her before 16:02 harrison all the rage memewise 16:02 sfan5 do you think I browse 4chan daily 16:03 * ElectronLibre remember that a woman is at the hospital because of Ebola in a country at 200Km next to him. >_> 16:04 VanessaE good afternoon all 16:04 ElectronLibre And, why do you say "good luck ebola-chan"? O_o 16:04 ElectronLibre Hello VanessaE :). 16:04 SylvieLorxu ElectronLibre: It's some messed up 4chan thing 16:05 ElectronLibre I had understood that.. o.o 16:05 SylvieLorxu That's basically all there is to it 16:06 SylvieLorxu Asking 4chan to make sense is like asking a bear to drive a car 16:06 SylvieLorxu Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdMp-4k55Oo 16:06 ElectronLibre !title 16:06 MinetestBot ElectronLibre: Gravity Falls - Seeing-Eye-Bear! - YouTube 16:15 shadowzone Hi. 16:16 shadowzone jojoa1997, what's the channel's name again I am using a different PC with different settings. 16:20 jojoa1997 ##shadowempire 16:20 jojoa1997 shell_ 16:20 jojoa1997 oh sorry 16:30 OldCoder Hi. Twice, now, a world of mine has simply stopped responding without error messages. No high CPU. Is there a debug switch to add to produce more output to indicate where it locks up? 16:31 Calinou debug_log_level = 4 16:31 Calinou most verbose, default is 2 16:31 Calinou 0 to disable logging 16:31 Calinou then read debug.txt 16:32 OldCoder Calinou, so should add 0 for the other worlds? 16:32 OldCoder To allow me to focus on the errant one? 16:33 OldCoder I shall proceed, thank you 16:33 OldCoder The lockups are not hard. SIGINT is received but not performed. 16:35 kaeza greetings 16:35 OldCoder greetings 16:35 OldCoder Calinou, thanks 16:36 OldCoder kaeza, SilverCrab has simply stopped responding twice. No high CPU and it receives signals. Calinou has advised debug_log_level = 4 16:36 * OldCoder is resting a bit 16:36 Calinou hi 16:50 jordan4ibanez Wuh oh http://www.reddit.com/r/admincraft/comments/2iwpk4/wolvereness_got_letter_from_mojangs_attorney_that/ 16:50 jordan4ibanez Hopefully Microsoft doesn't try to come into Minetest 16:51 Calinou [off] >Wolverness… nothing to see here… 16:51 Calinou and /r/admincraft… 16:52 jordan4ibanez In other news http://www.gorillaoffroadcompany.com/product-detail.cfm/prd_key/44 16:52 jordan4ibanez That looks amazing! 16:55 rubenwardy Hi all! 16:56 ElectronLibre Hello rubenwardy :). 16:56 kaeza ehlo 16:58 Calinou http://www.reddit.com/user/_Grum 16:58 Calinou hahaha dat downvotes on the EULA stuff (1 month ago) 16:59 Calinou but I also see… “RIP seamless stone slabs. You will be missed.” → which is where I got the Stone Tile idea from when I started More Blocks. 17:00 * Krock wonders why settings aren't saving after changing one with /'set' 17:00 Krock *"/set" 17:01 Krock !server Because 17:01 MinetestBot Krock: Because lol. | 85.6.218.161:61562 | Clients: 0/15, 1/2 | Version: 0.4.10-dev_MSVC / base | Ping: 55ms 17:01 Krock ^ testing yappy mapgen there 17:04 Calinou it is not made to save them —celeron55 17:04 kaeza that guy nailed it 17:05 Dragonop hey krock, can i join? 17:05 Krock Dragonop, sure. 17:05 Dragonop thanks! 17:06 PenguinDad Krock: y not for da lulz? :P 17:06 Krock PenguinDad, cuz such kitty speek 17:06 kaeza companies just add clauses to the EULAs with the excuse of "reducing piracy". but guess what? the "pirates" (I disagree with the term, BTW) are unaffected, while legit customers are fucked 17:07 VanessaE companies don't realize the simple truth: 17:07 VanessaE "If I can see it, I can copy it." 17:07 VanessaE the copy may not be perfect, but that's immaterial. 17:09 VanessaE (meanwhile, those of us who just want to play the media we legally purchased are often prevented from even seeing it in the first place) 17:10 Calinou "If I can see it, I can copy it." 17:10 Calinou the magic of the analog hole 17:11 kilbith -og 17:14 kaeza I wonder if watching a movie is illegal. since you're technically copying it to your brain :P 17:14 * kaeza should not give them ideas 17:14 Calinou kaeza, “This map may not be copied without permission”, says a game map. 17:14 Calinou downloading it is copying it 17:14 VanessaE it is if you're using Linux. :-/ 17:14 SylvieLorxu It is on any OS 17:15 SylvieLorxu I sometimes have people tell me that, because they're streaming a video, they're not downloading it 17:15 SylvieLorxu I guess this is why there's this mess 17:15 SylvieLorxu Even lawmakers don't even know what they're writing laws about 17:15 kaeza -----+ 17:15 kaeza oops 17:17 kaeza how long before 17:17 kaeza you are charged by frame for watching a movie/playing a game, etc? 17:18 kaeza also. this stupid keyboard... 17:20 kaeza byyyyy the way. anything interesting happening today? 17:21 Calinou 48 fps movies would cost more then 17:21 PenguinDad There only was something interesting for me yesterday :D 17:21 ElectronLibre table.len(day("today").happening[]) ==> 0 18:03 Hobodium So, for v6 mapgen, does it create the map, add all the stuff like flowers, then make the caves in that order? 18:04 Calinou Hobodium, v6 mapgen in C++ is only hills, water, caves, lava and so on 18:04 Calinou fixtures like cacti, papyrus, flowers, ores, clay are generated afterwards using Lua 18:04 Calinou trees are grown in C++ too initially (but they use Lua when they grow from saplings) 18:05 Hobodium Okay, so caves are generated before anything lua defined is placed. Hrmm. Thank you very much, Calinou 18:09 Calinou Lua mapgens work by using singlenode mapgen, which places air (or another one) everywhere, the fastest 18:09 Calinou then the mapgen overrides these 18:31 Krock dat speed. 20:31:01: ACTION[EmergeThread0]: (-272,48,208) generated in 250 ms 18:37 Krock Dragonop, I meant the player left :3 18:37 Dragonop i now :3 18:38 Dragonop Krock, my inv was bugged 18:38 Krock oh 18:51 Calinou https://cdn.mediacru.sh/eamksdK4_asb.png 18:51 Calinou me playing 18:54 alket whats that icon above hearts ? 18:56 rubenwardy Armour? 18:56 ElectronLibre The icons over the hearts? 18:56 PenguinDad Amour :P 18:56 ElectronLibre That's the armor level. 18:57 alket is there a armor ? 18:57 alket i couldnt make it work 19:08 paramat lol! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=156&p=157864#p157814 error: error in error 19:28 riff hi is there a way to install textures system wide or where are the default textures in 0.4.9 19:29 VanessaE riff: put your texture pack into /textures e.g. /textures/Misa or similar, and then select them in the menu 19:29 ElectronLibre Default textures are in ./games//mods//textures 19:29 VanessaE and please use 0.4.10 or later 19:29 PenguinDad because everything is better than 0.4.9 :D 19:30 PenguinDad o/ EvergreenTree 19:30 * EvergreenTree gives PenguinDad a penguin (a tux to be exact) 19:31 EvergreenTree I have discovered the awesomeness that is vim. I always knew it was around ,but I had no idea you could customize it so much 19:31 EvergreenTree I love it 19:31 Tux[Qyou] :) 19:31 PenguinDad Penguinception unlocked! 19:33 riff VanessaE, yes but that will only work on my client not the other users because I used software center also I want to edit the defaults 19:34 VanessaE I know there's a way to do a server-wide texture pack 19:34 VanessaE maybe /textures/all or /textures/server 19:34 VanessaE I can't remember now but it's supposed to be pretty simple 19:35 VanessaE but at any rate don't use the version of minetest in the software center, it's outdated. 19:35 VanessaE get 0.4.10 from the stable PPA 19:35 VanessaE or a -dev version from the daily-builds PPA 19:35 EvergreenTree Or compile it yourself 19:35 VanessaE or that ^^^ 19:35 EvergreenTree it isn't that difficult 19:35 EvergreenTree but you can use the PPA if you like 19:36 EvergreenTree You can use this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3837 19:36 EvergreenTree that is for the latest git version of course 19:39 EvergreenTree Then you can update it using "cd path_to_minetest/; git pull; make-j$(grep -e "/proc/cpuinfo")" 19:39 EvergreenTree (after using Calinou's script of course) 19:40 riff yeah last time I checked the website it said get 0.4.9 and thats only a version down from 10 19:41 VanessaE riff: believe me, 0.4.9 is ollllllld :) 19:41 riff not long ago I had 0.4.5 19:41 riff but maybe I'll update 19:42 riff whats the diffrence between them 19:43 ElectronLibre riff, are you from the past? x) The stable version is now the 0.4.10, believe us, and it is better than the 0.4.9 ^^ 19:43 VanessaE riff: http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog#0.4.9_.E2.86.92_0.4.10 19:43 Xavi Hi john 19:43 JohnWD Are you there Calinou? 19:43 JohnWD And hey Xavi again 19:43 riff yes I was born in the past 19:43 VanessaE riff: ^^^^ that link shows everything that changed between 0.4.9 and 0.4.10 19:46 Calinou yes JohnWD 19:47 riff seems like I'll be updating the server then :-| 19:47 JohnWD Come play BigPappa Server :) he using Your Gamemode. but I am working on a Nation. anyways maybe see you there ;) 19:47 JohnWD ^Calinou 20:14 Tux[Qyou] Calinou why are you so calinou? 20:17 Calinou JohnWD, sorry, already found a server I like 20:17 Calinou I don't have too much time for playing 20:17 JohnWD Ok 20:28 blaise Calinou: dedicating too much time to farmville two, eh? 20:34 Calinou no 20:36 Krock VanessaE, OldCoder, do you run all minetest servers on the same computer or for each server 1 computer? 20:36 Calinou probably all servers on the same one 20:36 VanessaE Krock: I run 8 of them, all on one physical machine 20:36 Calinou it would be very inefficient to use 1 PC per server 20:37 Calinou empty Minetest servers use almost no resources (except RAM) 20:37 VanessaE all of them together take about 3GB RAM and consume 30 to 50% of one core. 20:38 VanessaE when idle 20:38 VanessaE (the RAM usage doesn't vary much) 20:38 Calinou O_o 20:38 Calinou why do empty servers use that much CPU 20:38 VanessaE beats me 20:38 Calinou when I have an idle minetestserver, I'm at 0 % 20:38 blaise same here 20:39 VanessaE could be an artifact of the hyperthread thing, it is an i3 after all 20:39 * blaise gasps 20:39 VanessaE so maybe some of that usage is from the slower core or the machine throttling foewn 20:39 VanessaE down* 20:39 Calinou I have HT too 20:39 VanessaE for all I know that's 50% of one core running at like 600 MHz in idle mode 20:39 VanessaE (it's 3.4 GHz max) 20:39 blaise lol 20:40 blaise no THz? 20:40 Calinou still too high 20:40 * VanessaE looks at her stats again 20:40 Jordach as an AMD user here, 0% used too 20:40 VanessaE Calinou: well, maybe you can tell me? http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/stats.html 20:41 VanessaE servers have been a bit quiet the last couple of days, it IS the weekend after all 20:41 Calinou you have a few players 20:41 VanessaE yeah but look at the idle periods 20:41 VanessaE like at around 16:00 20:42 VanessaE oh yeah, /proc/cpuinfo shows that the cores are auto-ranging according to load 20:42 Krock VanessaE, okay thanks 20:42 VanessaE right now one of them isn't even doing 2.5 GHz 20:42 blaise should put minetest on one of those 15MHz machines 20:43 VanessaE 15 MHz? O_o 20:43 PenguinDad blaise: too many MHz :P 20:44 blaise k, we'll make it a 250KHz machine then 20:44 OldCoder Krock, I run up to 20 worlds on one host 20:44 OldCoder It's got pretty decent hardware 20:47 Krock OldCoder, >= quad core I guess 20:47 Xavi Hi cg72 20:47 cg72 hi 21:24 blaise with any luck its a 12 core 21:24 blaise or better 21:25 blaise if we can get this stupid shrinkray working, we can have 1 billion cores in a cpu 21:25 PenguinDad lol 21:27 VanessaE heh 21:30 ElectronLibre Good bye everyone. 21:30 blaise good bye 21:36 blaise ok, I got it 21:36 blaise we need a metalica parrody for minetest 21:36 blaise whiskey in the jar-o 21:36 blaise but, no jar 21:36 blaise nothing to do with jar 21:36 VanessaE selloutica? bleh. 21:36 blaise lmao 21:37 blaise I'm just kidding, you know that right? 21:37 VanessaE I know :) 21:46 Xavi How does my ip get changed to [unaffiliated/xaivanov] ? 21:46 VanessaE Freenode probably gave you a cloak 21:47 VanessaE idk how those work exactly except that they hide your true user@host from everyone else 21:47 VanessaE they're a network-wide feature you can request 21:50 JohnWD Do my hide to? 21:50 JohnWD I know for isis.inchra.net but Idk on here 21:51 VanessaE er... 21:51 OldCoder Krock is away? 21:51 VanessaE how am I supposed to answer a question when he just leaves? :-/ 21:51 OldCoder Ditto 21:52 OldCoder VanessaE, he is still on over at Inchra 21:52 VanessaE I know, I see him 22:06 Jordach !c 13*7 22:06 MinetestBot 91 22:07 * PenguinDad throws a script in the channel https://gist.github.com/PenguinDad/d6f102f835f8c7bc606b 22:09 pitriss Hi I want to ask.. Why register_alias can't work in moreores? Server version is 0.4.10 and it looks like :stairs* aliases are not appled.. Any idea? 22:18 pitriss VanessaE: maybe you can help me? Do you had sometime similar problem with aliases? 22:20 VanessaE well it kinda depends 22:20 VanessaE if a mod is already being loaded that is supplying nodes with those names, the aliases won't be used 22:21 VanessaE it also depends on whether the node your alias points to exists at all when the alias command is executed 22:23 VanessaE so e.g. if you want to alias foo:mynode --> bar:blahnode, then mod "bar" has to already be loaded, and bar:blahnode has to have already been defined before your alias command is executed, there must not be anything that defines foo:mynode. 22:25 VanessaE what exactly are you trying to alias, and to what, with moreores? (and did you mean moreblocks?) 22:25 pitriss err its just in stairsplus part of moreblocks..:) https://gitorious.org/calinou/moreblocks/source/6501336d86f2f55d9c7af1869b461cd9e7891ad7:stairsplus/stairs.lua#L122 22:25 VanessaE I figured that's what you meant. 22:25 * VanessaE looks 22:26 pitriss i tried to copy that line with registering node but i changed name to ":stairs:*" and it worked.. node was registered correctly.. 22:26 pitriss when I used original alias code, /giveme wasn'ŧ working so I guess this alias line failed somehow 22:26 VanessaE have you tried just dropping the leading colon from the alias? 22:27 VanessaE minetest.register_alias("stairs:stair_" .... 22:27 VanessaE instead of.. 22:27 VanessaE minetest.register_alias(":stairs:stair_" 22:27 pitriss hmm will try.. thank you for advice:) 22:27 VanessaE last I knew, aliases don't need the colon prefix trick 22:27 VanessaE but I could be wrong 22:28 pitriss no you was right..:) 22:28 pitriss It is working 22:28 VanessaE oh good 22:28 VanessaE you should mention this to calinou then 22:28 Viper168 best not to mess around with the colon if you don't have to 22:28 Viper168 could get messy 22:29 VanessaE Viper168: lest it cause cancer? :P 22:30 pitriss VanessaE: okay.. I will mention it or I will send pull request.. (if i figure out how to do so) 22:30 pitriss VanessaE: thank you for your help 22:30 VanessaE no prob 22:39 paramat so i made a fork of MTGame, created a topic branch and made a pull request from it. now MTG is being updated, i fetched upstream and merged to master. do i also fetch-merge to my topic branches? 22:40 VanessaE paramat: not sure exactly 22:40 VanessaE (I suck at managing multiple branches) 22:40 paramat git is scarier than core mapgen 22:40 VanessaE haha 22:40 paramat no kidding this is my 2nd pull request 22:50 paramat actually i think not ... and more study is required 23:17 CatButts hai guise 23:18 paramat lol 23:18 CatButts what is practical difference between MSVC build and MingW build on download site? 23:18 Jordach MSVC runs faster 23:18 Jordach that's about it 23:18 CatButts ok 23:19 VanessaE it just comes down to try one, if it doesn't work out for you, run the other :) 23:23 CatButts MSVC it is 23:27 CatButts >friend runs 0.3,1 server, can't update 23:27 CatButts what am I missing 23:30 CatButts sound, for one 23:30 CatButts haha 23:30 PenguinDad > People use outdated versions 23:31 PenguinDad I told you dog I told you about outdated versions :P 23:33 CatButts bumarse 23:35 CatButts I CAN'T EVEN DROWN MYSELF IN THIS VERSION 23:35 CatButts hehehe 23:36 CatButts maybe the server is creative mode 23:37 CatButts nope