IRC log for #minetest, 2014-10-03

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01:21	MinetestBot	[Git] BlockMen -> minetest/minetest_game: Allow only boat driver to be detached from boat (fixes #276) 349a63e http://git.io/nLD6Wg (2014-10-03T03:20:31+02:00)
01:26	hisforever	what is a mob_archer?
01:26	jojoa1997	hisforever link to code?
01:27	* Fritigern	would thinkk that mob_archer is the MT equivalent of a skeleton
01:27	hisforever	ok hummm
01:27	Fritigern	Just guessing....
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01:28	hisforever	I have a body in my single player thats look mad lol
01:28	hisforever	would love to get rid of him
01:28	Fritigern	KILL IT!!! KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!
01:28	hisforever	ok I'll try it
01:29	Fritigern	Do not forget to make a sacrifice to the Node of Nodes
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01:46	hisforever	I have Neuromancer game is there a way to disable the meanies that are in this game lol'
01:47	hisforever	or should I just find another game?
01:48	hisforever	I just like to build mine and eat lol don't want monsters hehe
01:49	hisforever	night all thanks for the help today its bed time
01:49	hisforever	God bless
01:51	Fritigern	!tell hisforever If you just want to build, mine and farm, you'd be better off finding a game without mobs.
01:51	MinetestBot	Fritigern: I'll pass that on when hisforever is around
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02:28	andre_pl_	is there a lua json library available to minetest mods? or something similar like yaml?
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02:48	* Zeno`	drops a pin
02:48	Zeno`	Anyone hear that?
02:49	VanessaE	ssssshhhhhhh
02:50	* friti	throws Zeno` an angry look "Can we PLEAASE have some peace and quiet in here?"
02:50	friti	:-))
02:51	Fritigern	Darn, i really should fix this nick issue
02:51	Zeno`	lol
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03:02	Fritigern	I think i may have fixed that stupid nick thing
03:03	Fritigern	VanessaE: Did you get my message about the spider webs?
03:03	VanessaE	?
03:03	VanessaE	what message?
03:03	Fritigern	My logs are missing, or i would have pasted it. You were either asleep, or just AFK
03:03	VanessaE	are they broken?
03:03	Zeno`	no spiders in them
03:03	VanessaE	oh
03:03	Fritigern	Well, they are broken, unless it's intentional behavior.
03:04	VanessaE	having no spiders on the webs is intentional yes :)
03:05	Fritigern	Don;t listen to Zeno, he's not speaking for me.
03:05	VanessaE	heh ok
03:05	Fritigern	I meant to use them to resemble smoke from a chimney, but the first web is 3D, but the next one is sitting flat against the first web.
03:06	VanessaE	oh, that's neither a bug nor intentional, rather just a corner case that I didn't bother to catch because of how I expected people to use them is all
03:06	Fritigern	Some still were 3D (as in visibly took up the sapce of a single node), but they are very unpredictable
03:07	VanessaE	they always try to fill a corner if there is one, or suspend between two opposite walls, or lay flat on a wall, or if none of the above then they take up a whole node
03:08	Fritigern	Can it be made so that a corner, formed with two ro more webs, or a web+another node, does not regiaster as a corner?
03:08	VanessaE	oh sure
03:08	VanessaE	that's easily done, I just didn't expect anyone to try that :)
03:09	VanessaE	question is what should the code do in that case?
03:10	VanessaE	the easiest action is the fall-through,
03:10	VanessaE	which is to take up a whole node
03:10	VanessaE	in which case I can simply ignore any webs when checking for wall nodes
03:13	Fritigern	Pics of how i have used the webs: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3kkplekor7e5tda/Smoky.png?dl=0 and https://www.dropbox.com/s/5hwm2quoy8xosv6/Smoky2.png?dl=0
03:13	VanessaE	now THAT is an interesting trick
03:14	Fritigern	To be quite honest, it's rather common on MC
03:14	VanessaE	yeah, making them simply default to the plantlike/whole node shape is bext
03:14	VanessaE	best*
03:14	VanessaE	ok, I will fix that.
03:14	VanessaE	lemme take a quick look
03:14	Fritigern	Have as many looks as you like, quick, not-so-quick or nesquick ;-)
03:16	VanessaE	Fritigern: apply this to your homedecor and try it out.   http://pastebin.com/YCCdECT7
03:16	Fritigern	BTW, my builds are never anything impressive. I just lack imagination and/or tenacity to make something that looks like the stuff that has impressed me
03:16	Fritigern	And i will!
03:16	VanessaE	tell me if that's the effect you were looking for
03:17	VanessaE	hm, wait
03:17	VanessaE	that didn't work :P
03:18	VanessaE	oh, oops
03:18	VanessaE	copy&paste error.
03:19	VanessaE	yeah, ignore that patch entire.y
03:19	VanessaE	entirely*
03:19	VanessaE	apply this instead:  http://pastebin.com/8wzmS6xY
03:22	Fritigern	Ignored, and new one applied (i have never figured out how to apply a diff, so copy/pasted it manually)
03:22	Fritigern	OMG! YOU MADE MY COMPUTER EXPLODE!!! IT'S ON FIRE!!!!!
03:22	VanessaE	haha
03:22	Fritigern	:-)))
03:23	Fritigern	You believe me, right?
03:23	Zeno`	I am speaking for Zeno`: There are no spiders
03:23	VanessaE	yeah about as far as I can throw you ;)
03:23	Fritigern	Have i ever lied to you?
03:23	Fritigern	I mean, did you ever catch me?
03:23	rickmcfarley	Fritigern: smoke looks cool
03:25	Fritigern	VanessaE: It works great! The webs being able to be placed flat against the wall is still a bit unexpected for someone who is used to MC's behaviour of webs, but now it is predicatable, and the webs can be much easier be used for smoke!
03:26	Fritigern	rickmcfarley: Thank you!
03:26	VanessaE	Fritigern: good deal.  I have never played MC so I'm not aware of how its cobwebs differ in that flat-on-wall behavior though
03:26	VanessaE	what does it do?
03:27	* VanessaE	pushes that commit.
03:27	Fritigern	In MC, the webs have just one way of placement. Like a full node.
03:27	VanessaE	ahhh
03:27	VanessaE	yeah, I wanted something with some actual placement logic.
03:27	VanessaE	in fact they now seem to form almost sideways rails :D
03:29	* Fritigern	thinks about trying to put together a game or modpack that mimics MC as closely as possible, using currently available mods, but WITHOUT mobs. :-)
03:31	Fritigern	Then again, i am sure that it has been done before. I'd better try to be a little more original
03:31	VanessaE	attempts have been made but no one has really succeeded I don't think
03:34	Fritigern	Wel, i wonder. Should i attampt this, and should i be (moderately) succesful. It could be a good entry point for MC veterans
03:34	Fritigern	As long as they keep in mind that MT != MC
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03:35	Fritigern	Just like OpenSim != Second Life
03:36	Fritigern	There are strong similarities, but there are also profound and deliberate differences.
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03:55	* VanessaE	shrugs ..  go for it, Fritigern  :-)
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04:17	OldCoder	I
04:17	OldCoder	I'm trying to figure out how much of RedCrab I have
04:17	OldCoder	Does anybody know the coords of anything in RedCrab? And what is the teleport command?
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04:18	VanessaE	no idea where everything is, but there is an old map on the forum thread, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1705
04:19	OldCoder	What is the teleport command?
04:19	VanessaE	/teleport xxxx,yyyy,zzzz   will get you around
04:19	OldCoder	I thought so but it's being ignored
04:19	OldCoder	So is /time even though I have Name
04:19	VanessaE	odd.
04:20	VanessaE	oh btw, remember "death plants" or whatever it was you called them?  :)  they went to the master branch of plantlife.  update ASAP.
04:20	OldCoder	kk
04:20	OldCoder	What could be wrong if /time is ignored?
04:20	VanessaE	that would suggest lag, or disconnect.
04:20	OldCoder	Restarting
04:20	VanessaE	sometimes the server will disconnect from the client without actually telling it to do so
04:21	VanessaE	it's some obscure networking glitch
04:21	OldCoder	Better
04:21	OldCoder	OK looks like I have part of RedCrab
04:22	OldCoder	Rob565 or whatever has the rest
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04:27	OldCoder	VanessaE, others: ANNOUNCE: Try out minetest.org port 30019 SilverCrab. This is part of RedCrab. Somebody find Rob565 etc. and ask him to copy the rest to me.
04:28	VanessaE	ehm..
04:28	VanessaE	/spawn puts me in a black void.
04:28	OldCoder	Hm? I fixed that
04:28	OldCoder	Wait
04:29	OldCoder	How do I grant all to you?
04:29	VanessaE	/grant VanessaEzekowitz all
04:29	VanessaE	but you don't need to
04:29	VanessaE	hm, unified inventory eh?
04:29	OldCoder	Suggest changes as you wish
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04:30	OldCoder	Fixed spawn
04:31	VanessaE	now to figure out where the hell I am :)
04:31	OldCoder	But need to restart
04:31	OldCoder	You are near me
04:31	VanessaE	PH!
04:31	VanessaE	oH!
04:31	VanessaE	I'm right by my house!
04:31	OldCoder	Is it there?
04:31	VanessaE	yep, I'm at the front door thereof
04:31	OldCoder	Are the innards there?
04:32	VanessaE	yes but your map is out of date a bit
04:32	OldCoder	By a few months
04:32	OldCoder	Do you know Rob565?
04:32	VanessaE	I replaced these TVs with the ones from homedecor many moons ago :)
04:32	OldCoder	Name approximate
04:32	VanessaE	nope, I do not
04:32	OldCoder	He supposedly has a current copy of the map
04:32	OldCoder	If somebody finds him and asks, I can host the whole thing
04:33	OldCoder	Make a list of mod changes needed
04:33	VanessaE	but yeah, everything's here so far'
04:33	VanessaE	lemme explore around a bit
04:33	OldCoder	Quitip
04:33	OldCoder	What does that mean?
04:33	OldCoder	Large brick sign
04:34	VanessaE	where?
04:34	OldCoder	Near 296, 43, 120
04:34	OldCoder	May I restart to set spawn?
04:34	OldCoder	Oh, wait
04:35	VanessaE	wait a moment
04:36	VanessaE	the spawn should be at -12, +8, -29 btw
04:37	VanessaE	anyway everything along the path between my house and the spawn seems to be in good order so far
04:37	VanessaE	go ahead and restart at your leisure
04:37	VanessaE	OH
04:37	OldCoder	Setting spawn
04:37	OldCoder	Go on
04:37	Zeno`	Does it need a restart? /set doesn't do the trick?
04:37	OldCoder	static_spawnpoint = -12, 8, -29 ?
04:37	OldCoder	Zeno`, give full command
04:38	VanessaE	I keep seeing "ERROR[main]: Map:setNode(): Not allowing to place CONTENT_IGNORE while trying to replace "tv:screen_x" at (foo) (block (bar))
04:38	VanessaE	where x, foo, and bar are variable depending on where I am
04:38	OldCoder	Wait
04:38	Zeno`	/set static_spawnpoint = -12, 9, -29
04:38	OldCoder	I tried that, it worked, but seems to be inside something
04:38	Zeno`	I don't know if that updates the .conf file so you probably need to update it there as well
04:39	OldCoder	Yes, but the location is wrong
04:39	Zeno`	/set static_spawnpoint -12, 9, -29
04:39	OldCoder	VanessaE, thanks, reviewing tv
04:39	Brains	Well that was interesting...  Apparently pouring water from a water can over a mailbox destroys the mailbox.
04:39	VanessaE	also, below the spawn building, I see a mass of unknown nodes
04:39	VanessaE	but //inspect does not tell me what they are
04:40	OldCoder	VanessaE, well, suggestions from anybody are welcome
04:40	OldCoder	Shall I drop tv ?
04:40	VanessaE	no, don't drop it, I fixed it a while back.  there should be a zip or so on Jordach's thread for it
04:40	OldCoder	Hm. Link?
04:40	VanessaE	but at the time, all I was fixing was a broken image link
04:40	VanessaE	not a broken node link
04:41	OldCoder	Something to do with the missing nodes
04:41	VanessaE	yeah, looks like the ABM that swaps the TV images is trying to swap in an undefined TV node
04:41	OldCoder	All of this looks repairable
04:41	VanessaE	yes, quite so
04:41	VanessaE	just little glitches
04:41	OldCoder	What's the command to tap on an unknown block?
04:41	VanessaE	//inspect on
04:41	VanessaE	then punch it
04:42	VanessaE	but it doesn't work here
04:42	VanessaE	at least not with these particular ones
04:42	VanessaE	one sec
04:42	OldCoder	Snow needles. They'll disappear when I reset the world.
04:42	VanessaE	can you tail -f debug.txt please?
04:42	OldCoder	Yes
04:42	OldCoder	Moment
04:43	OldCoder	Had it turned off
04:43	OldCoder	Will restart with (a) reset world (b) new spawn (c) debug on
04:45	VanessaE	waiting.
04:45	OldCoder	Moment
04:45	OldCoder	Fixes take 90 seconds you know :P
04:45	VanessaE	haha
04:45	OldCoder	Deleting a few mods
04:47	OldCoder	Restarted
04:48	VanessaE	hm, digging that unknown block just causes it to reappear.  that's unusual.
04:48	OldCoder	Invalid command /spawn ?
04:48	VanessaE	invalid.
04:48	OldCoder	?
04:48	OldCoder	Shouldn't it work?
04:48	VanessaE	you bwoke it! :P
04:49	OldCoder	Hm
04:49	OldCoder	Um, how?
04:50	VanessaE	you must have deleted the mod that supplies that command
04:50	OldCoder	I don't think so
04:50	OldCoder	Checking
04:50	VanessaE	btw, did you change the fly speed?  it seems slower.
04:50	OldCoder	What should it be?
04:50	VanessaE	20m/s
04:50	OldCoder	What is the setting?
04:51	VanessaE	this feels more like around 10m/s or a bit less
04:51	OldCoder	I mean
04:51	OldCoder	How do I fix it?
04:51	VanessaE	I'm not sure how it's set, usually some mod is used to change it
04:51	VanessaE	some set player physics param
04:51	OldCoder	I also don't see a mod that implements /spawn
04:51	VanessaE	and I may be wrong about that
04:51	VanessaE	did you have one of craig's "misc" modpacks?
04:52	OldCoder	No
04:52	OldCoder	I don't think so
04:52	VanessaE	there is definitely a physics override in place here
04:52	VanessaE	movement is very sharp and sudden
04:53	OldCoder	Can list all the mods; will ask people for help
04:53	OldCoder	But what happened to /spawn ?
04:53	* VanessaE	looks
04:53	OldCoder	I deleted the landrush* mods
04:53	VanessaE	nether?
04:53	OldCoder	and boats
04:53	OldCoder	What about nether?
04:53	VanessaE	you should remove that if you want to keep a standard redcrab map, that wasn't on the original :)
04:53	VanessaE	but then again a lot of this stuff wasn't :P
04:53	VanessaE	so that's up to you
04:53	* VanessaE	looks some more
04:53	OldCoder	It is a fake nether
04:54	VanessaE	oh ok
04:54	OldCoder	So, is /spawn a mod or core...
04:54	* OldCoder	is not clear
04:54	OldCoder	Wait, VanessaE... I can delete those blocks
04:54	VanessaE	what is this "affects" mod?
04:54	OldCoder	They need to be divided by 16 ?
04:54	OldCoder	Reviewing
04:55	VanessaE	/spawn is a mod
04:55	OldCoder	But I didn't delete it
04:55	OldCoder	What is the mod?
04:55	VanessaE	/home is core (well minetest_game)
04:55	VanessaE	one sec, I'll paste the one I uase
04:55	VanessaE	use
04:55	OldCoder	Affects
04:55	OldCoder	This adds an API to easily affect players in various ways, both positive and neg
04:55	OldCoder	ative.
04:56	VanessaE	here we go.  make a new mod of this:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8483570/
04:56	OldCoder	R
04:56	VanessaE	( spawn/init.lua )
04:56	OldCoder	Got it
04:56	VanessaE	and set your server's static_spawnpoint accordingly
04:57	OldCoder	Added
04:57	OldCoder	Now, are the blocks that are weird
04:57	OldCoder	coords divide by 16 to delete at DB level?
04:57	VanessaE	yes
04:57	OldCoder	Good
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04:58	OldCoder	I think I can handle that
04:58	VanessaE	sorry, I didn't catch that earlier.  :)
04:58	OldCoder	Some nice stuff here
04:58	VanessaE	wtf?
04:58	OldCoder	Hm?
04:58	VanessaE	why can't I get an //inspect on these unknown nodes?
04:59	OldCoder	Nice buildings
04:59	VanessaE	over here to the west of the spawn
04:59	OldCoder	VanessaE, possible to worldedit them?
04:59	VanessaE	the Ru building
04:59	VanessaE	oh I'm sure I could but I don't wanna destroy them
04:59	VanessaE	wait
04:59	VanessaE	are these...
04:59	VanessaE	I bet these are wool
05:00	OldCoder	But I have wool
05:00	OldCoder	checking
05:00	VanessaE	the OLD wool
05:00	VanessaE	the 32-color mone
05:00	VanessaE	one*
05:00	OldCoder	Wait
05:00	OldCoder	October 2013
05:00	OldCoder	Hang on, back installing
05:00	VanessaE	the in-game wool mod is a bastardized version of the old one.  It only has like 15 colors.
05:01	OldCoder	Hm
05:01	OldCoder	VanessaE, how do I disable ingame? I *had* the old one
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05:01	VanessaE	so yeah, if you find the old one and it still works, just delete the in-game one outright
05:01	OldCoder	Minetest 0.4 mod: wool
05:01	OldCoder	======================
05:01	OldCoder	Mostly backward-compatible with jordach's 16-color wool mod.
05:01	VanessaE	ok good
05:01	OldCoder	Where is the in-game one?
05:01	VanessaE	just rm -rf minetest_game/wool
05:01	OldCoder	Ah ty
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05:02	OldCoder	Wait, you mean silvercrab_game/wool?
05:02	OldCoder	Then what?
05:02	VanessaE	well yeah :)
05:02	OldCoder	Where do I get the correct one?
05:02	VanessaE	one sec, lemme see if I can find it
05:02	OldCoder	Also what about woolcraft
05:03	VanessaE	you won't need that
05:03	OldCoder	Delete it?
05:03	VanessaE	is I can find the old mod anyway
05:03	VanessaE	yes
05:03	OldCoder	kk
05:06	VanessaE	maybe it wasn't 32 colors...
05:06	VanessaE	http://www.mediafire.com/?d9nzvn12xmf2i2r
05:06	OldCoder	R
05:06	VanessaE	this is the 16 color version
05:06	VanessaE	that might be what redcrab was using
05:06	OldCoder	Isn't that what I just deleted?
05:06	VanessaE	no, you deleted the in-game one, which isn't complete
05:06	VanessaE	for example, in-game lacks gold
05:06	VanessaE	and a few others
05:06	VanessaE	try that link
05:06	OldCoder	am
05:07	OldCoder	Added
05:07	OldCoder	VanessaE, my hammer is an unknown block
05:07	OldCoder	What mod shall I add?
05:08	VanessaE	glooptest has hammers, but I don't think that's what redcrab used
05:08	VanessaE	um..
05:08	OldCoder	glooptest was incompatible I think
05:08	VanessaE	I'm not sure off the top of my head
05:08	OldCoder	Odd, where do hammers come from?
05:08	OldCoder	Should I delete farming and farming+ ?
05:08	VanessaE	castle mod has a hammer, and I think cottages has too
05:09	VanessaE	farming and farming_plus should be fine
05:09	OldCoder	There is none in the default game?
05:09	VanessaE	they'll probably stay out of the way
05:09	VanessaE	correct, default game has no hammer
05:09	VanessaE	(nor a knife for that matter)
05:09	OldCoder	What does it use instead?
05:09	VanessaE	(which it kinda needs)
05:09	VanessaE	it doesn't use anything at all.  odd huh?
05:09	OldCoder	And what was RedCrab using, do you suppose?
05:09	VanessaE	sec.
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05:09	VanessaE	I'll go look
05:10	VanessaE	if I can.
05:10	OldCoder	kk
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05:11	VanessaE	well the domain resolves, but the server does not connect.
05:12	OldCoder	RedCrab? he is down
05:12	OldCoder	That is the point
05:12	VanessaE	oh derp
05:12	OldCoder	So, what mod should I add to get a hammer?
05:12	VanessaE	one moment.
05:12	OldCoder	And what will I see if I start a default game
05:12	OldCoder	instead of a hammer?
05:14	VanessaE	there are a number of mods that have hammers
05:14	OldCoder	Which would be safest?
05:14	VanessaE	but I can't think what redcrab would have used
05:14	OldCoder	And what will I see if I start a default game
05:14	OldCoder	instead of a hammer?
05:14	VanessaE	you'd see an unknown item is all
05:14	VanessaE	just as now
05:14	VanessaE	nothing special,
05:14	OldCoder	Hm. So when I start there is a hand?
05:14	VanessaE	actually, you'd be holding a little pink square
05:15	OldCoder	Ah
05:15	OldCoder	Well, preparing to restart
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05:15	VanessaE	as for safest>?
05:16	VanessaE	maybe cottages mod but that has lots of other stuff too
05:16	OldCoder	kk
05:16	OldCoder	So we don't know what he did
05:16	VanessaE	castles I think has one, and it has less stuff
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05:16	VanessaE	he may have coded a custom tool for that
05:16	OldCoder	Ah
05:16	OldCoder	kk
05:17	VanessaE	glooptest has hammers of course, but it has extra stuff also, and I doubt redcrab used that
05:17	OldCoder	Very well
05:17	OldCoder	So there was a redcrab::hammer
05:17	OldCoder	And you can't inspect it?
05:17	VanessaE	possibly
05:17	OldCoder	Since you are holding it
05:17	VanessaE	wait.
05:17	VanessaE	hm, damn.
05:18	OldCoder	Restarting, then
05:18	VanessaE	if you could somehow duplicate the undefined item, you can then drop one on the ground and it'll show up in your log
05:18	OldCoder	This pass has your spawn mod, the old wool, more mods removed
05:18	VanessaE	(I say dupe it so that you don't lose it)
05:18	OldCoder	Duplicate your hammer?
05:18	OldCoder	Wait, it's in inventory\
05:18	VanessaE	I mean your hammer :)
05:18	VanessaE	I don't have one
05:18	OldCoder	Shouldn't I see it in the file ?
05:18	OldCoder	I have one
05:19	VanessaE	drop the undefined item on the ground and you'll see an entry in the debug log telling you the item name
05:19	VanessaE	should give you an idea what the mod was
05:19	OldCoder	How do I drop it?
05:19	VanessaE	Q
05:19	Miner_48er	why not look into your player file?
05:19	OldCoder	I did
05:19	OldCoder	It looks like
05:19	VanessaE	oh derp
05:19	OldCoder	landrush:landclaim
05:19	OldCoder	Is that a hammer??
05:19	VanessaE	Miner_48er: good point, I didn't think od that
05:19	VanessaE	OldCoder: er, no
05:20	OldCoder	OK then
05:20	VanessaE	OldCoder: ok, the wool was not the key
05:20	VanessaE	we're still missing nodes
05:20	OldCoder	Well, not surprising
05:20	VanessaE	either that or..
05:20	OldCoder	Care to worldedit them? Or what does tapping on them do?
05:20	* VanessaE	looks
05:21	VanessaE	ok, that's the 16 color wool and not the default, for sure...so wtf were these nodes.
05:21	* VanessaE	grumbles
05:21	OldCoder	/spawn is working now thanks
05:21	OldCoder	What happens if you tap on them?
05:21	* OldCoder	likes fixing worlds
05:22	VanessaE	nothing at all
05:22	OldCoder	VanessaE, if you worldedit them
05:22	VanessaE	//inspect on   and then punch, just doesn't do anything
05:22	OldCoder	will this show up in the logs?
05:22	VanessaE	I could worldedit them out but I don't want to destroy them
05:22	OldCoder	This is a temporary copy
05:22	OldCoder	Destroy away if it will identify them
05:22	VanessaE	wait, you got rollback?
05:23	OldCoder	Probably
05:23	VanessaE	dammit.
05:24	VanessaE	rollback doesn't work here properly.
05:24	OldCoder	I could add debug code
05:24	OldCoder	Take just a minute to recompile
05:24	OldCoder	WAIT
05:24	OldCoder	VanessaE, I could just do an SQL dump
05:24	VanessaE	?
05:25	OldCoder	and look at block -1,1,-1
05:25	VanessaE	that might work
05:25	VanessaE	I filled in some cobble for the missing nodes for now
05:25	VanessaE	and left the rest of the undefined
05:25	OldCoder	DOn't, this is a temporary world
05:25	VanessaE	try the dump
05:25	OldCoder	Just make notes
05:25	VanessaE	no prob, just try the dump
05:25	VanessaE	it might tell us what's missing here
05:26	Miner_48er	you could do a WE schematic
05:26	VanessaE	yes, good idea
05:26	OldCoder	Proceed if you wish
05:26	VanessaE	OldCoder: look for nodes.we
05:26	VanessaE	what do you find in there?
05:26	OldCoder	R
05:26	VanessaE	should some dirt with grass, some cobble, a couple of stone tiles, and whatever these unknown nodes are
05:27	OldCoder	R
05:27	OldCoder	moreblocks:stone_tile
05:27	VanessaE	pastebin it
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05:27	OldCoder	om
05:27	Miner_48er	why not limit the schematic to the one unknown?
05:27	VanessaE	Miner_48er: because I can't punch them
05:27	OldCoder	http://oldcoder.org/nodeswe.txt
05:27	OldCoder	VanessaE, ^
05:27	VanessaE	have to encluse the group
05:28	VanessaE	enclose*
05:28	OldCoder	http://oldcoder.org/nodeswe.txt
05:28	Miner_48er	have noclip? fly into them and set using //pos1 and //pos2
05:28	OldCoder	I can do a dump; and there is the nodes.we file at:
05:29	VanessaE	damn it.  all "unknown"
05:29	OldCoder	http://oldcoder.org/nodeswe.txt
05:29	VanessaE	figures.
05:29	OldCoder	So I should delete them?
05:29	VanessaE	no,
05:29	VanessaE	dump the db
05:29	OldCoder	Proceeding
05:29	OldCoder	Pos is -16773121
05:29	VanessaE	Miner_48er: it's an artifact of these nodes, they don't respond to punch at all, so I have to grab at least three nodes anyway.  no matter, already got what I need.  thanks for the tip though
05:30	VanessaE	node coords -18,2,-46
05:30	OldCoder	-1, 1, -1 ?
05:30	VanessaE	approx.
05:30	OldCoder	has one, right?
05:30	OldCoder	divided by 16
05:31	OldCoder	Dumping whole world
05:32	OldCoder	O.K. I got the block in hexadecimal
05:32	OldCoder	Now what :-)
05:32	OldCoder	Easy to delete it
05:32	VanessaE	node coords -12,2,-29 and the surroundings also
05:32	OldCoder	But to decode it, where is the spec?
05:33	OldCoder	Divide those by 16 ?
05:33	VanessaE	yes
05:33	OldCoder	So, -1, 0, -2 I think?
05:33	VanessaE	I think so
05:33	OldCoder	For negatives round down
05:34	OldCoder	Got that too
05:34	OldCoder	Ideas on where to find spec?
05:34	VanessaE	no idea.
05:35	VanessaE	I wonder if these were some kind of chests before?
05:35	OldCoder	I think I got it
05:35	VanessaE	they have meta, can't be dug so that means they have inventories with something in them,
05:36	OldCoder	Hm
05:36	VanessaE	and this is the wrong wool mod btw
05:36	OldCoder	A few hours for me to write this
05:36	VanessaE	you DID need the 32 color one
05:36	OldCoder	So, not valid for now
05:37	OldCoder	So, replace it with the previous one? O.K.
05:37	OldCoder	I've got the block format
05:37	OldCoder	But the actual ID of the object may be a bit complex
05:37	VanessaE	got a sign here identifying an "unknown node" as "cyan", among a bunch of other wool blocks, and another is supposed to be "dark blue" but is normal blue
05:37	VanessaE	no, we need to find the original 32-color wool that Joedach made
05:37	VanessaE	Jordach*
05:37	OldCoder	Hang on
05:37	VanessaE	where the hell is it.
05:37	OldCoder	Looking
05:37	OldCoder	I have a number of copies of things
05:38	VanessaE	the default game one isn't it, that's 15 colors
05:38	OldCoder	it isn't in my backup of mods.ru
05:38	VanessaE	or wait.
05:39	VanessaE	restore the map from your backup, and keep the 16-color one
05:39	OldCoder	Am I using the 16 color one now?
05:39	VanessaE	maybe the attempt to use the in-game 15-color one screwed up the working copy.
05:39	VanessaE	I think you have the 16-color one in place now yes.  keep it.
05:39	OldCoder	Keep the one I have now? I *did* restore the map
05:39	VanessaE	restore it again.
05:39	OldCoder	I've been reverting on each restart
05:39	OldCoder	All right
05:39	VanessaE	I think something is/was translating node names
05:39	OldCoder	But first looking at SQL block format
05:39	VanessaE	I've got a yellow wool here that's supposed to be gold
05:40	VanessaE	and a blue that's supposed to be dark blue
05:40	VanessaE	and unknown that's supposed to be cyan
05:40	OldCoder	So, just restart?
05:40	VanessaE	yes
05:40	OldCoder	With revert?
05:40	VanessaE	and yes
05:41	OldCoder	Restarting in a moment
05:41	OldCoder	First looking for an easy way to check the unknown blocks
05:41	OldCoder	SQL may not be helpful
05:41	VanessaE	they'll always have their original node nsame
05:41	VanessaE	name*
05:42	OldCoder	Restarting
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05:44	OldCoder	Should be up
05:45	VanessaE	ok I have to guess the database got smashed when it was captured.  no change.
05:45	OldCoder	kk
05:45	Miner_48er	VanessaE a beta of it https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=23968#p23968
05:45	VanessaE	(except that the unknown nodes I nuked earlier have returned)
05:45	OldCoder	I am reviewing the block
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05:46	OldCoder	Hm
05:46	OldCoder	I can read this
05:46	VanessaE	Miner_48er: bingo, that was the one - however that's not the problem
05:46	VanessaE	it's gotta be the database
05:46	VanessaE	because the map is calling for colors that OldCoder's mods are definitely supplying, e.g. gold and cyan
05:47	VanessaE	I see gold, cyan, dark blue in the inventory
05:47	VanessaE	but where they should be in the world, there are unknown blocks
05:47	VanessaE	this suggests a mod smashed the node names at some point.  a bad alias maybe
05:47	OldCoder	VanessaE, I can read the SQL binary data directly
05:47	OldCoder	But the individual nodes are buried in large blocks inside the 16 16 16 ones
05:48	OldCoder	Can't solve it this way quickly
05:48	VanessaE	OldCoder: look for references to wool:cyan or perhaps colour:cyan
05:48	OldCoder	Proceeding
05:48	OldCoder	./wool/init.lua:        output = 'wool:cyan 16',
05:48	OldCoder	./wool/init.lua:                {'wool:cyan', 'wool:red'},
05:48	OldCoder	./wool/init.lua:                {'wool:cyan', 'wool:magenta'},
05:48	OldCoder	./wool/init.lua:minetest.register_node("wool:cyan", {
05:48	OldCoder	./unifieddyes/init.lua:               "dye:cyan",
05:48	OldCoder	./unifieddyes/init.lua:               "dye:cyan",
05:48	OldCoder	rootboldcoder:/opt/minetest0410/share/minetest/g
05:49	OldCoder	Those are the :cyan references
05:49	VanessaE	right, the mod is defining it
05:49	VanessaE	I see it in the inventory
05:49	OldCoder	Should I drop unifieddyes?
05:49	VanessaE	naw, leave it
05:49	VanessaE	it's not getting in the way.
05:49	OldCoder	Is this separate from the bad blocks?
05:49	VanessaE	yeah, it's unrelated.
05:49	OldCoder	kk
05:49	VanessaE	something smashed your map.
05:50	OldCoder	Well, yes
05:50	OldCoder	So, do I simply drop the bad blocks?
05:50	OldCoder	Will air replace them?
05:50	VanessaE	no, leave them be for now until we figure out what went wrong
05:50	VanessaE	they can be replaced with valid nodes via worldedit once we understand what broke
05:51	OldCoder	So, I shouldn't simply delete them?
05:51	VanessaE	ope
05:51	VanessaE	nope
05:51	OldCoder	And why are they about TV sets?
05:51	VanessaE	that one just needs a tweak is all
05:52	OldCoder	So the TV set bug is not the same either?
05:52	VanessaE	it's just trying to set a node via an ABM that it isn't defining first.
05:52	VanessaE	unrelated,
05:52	OldCoder	So three bugs
05:52	OldCoder	(1) odd colors issue, could be a mod
05:52	VanessaE	mmhmm
05:52	OldCoder	(2) broken nodes, can worldedit them
05:52	OldCoder	(3) TV set bug
05:52	OldCoder	Is this so?
05:52	VanessaE	(4) player run speed/physics seems a bit "off"
05:52	OldCoder	I've removed most of the mods
05:53	OldCoder	Hold on
05:53	OldCoder	homedecor maptools moreores
05:53	OldCoder	were modified by Sokomine for this day
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05:53	OldCoder	Need to use the modified versions
05:53	OldCoder	NakedFury, Hi
05:53	OldCoder	VanessaE, moment
05:54	OldCoder	http://minetest.org/modsfun.txt
05:54	OldCoder	Those are the current mods
05:55	VanessaE	don't use pipeworks on this server
05:55	OldCoder	Deleted
05:55	OldCoder	Will disappear on next revert
05:55	VanessaE	what is this "compatibility" mod?
05:56	OldCoder	Wait
05:56	OldCoder	This modpack contains only node definitions from removed mods.
05:56	OldCoder	They are kept in game to prevent unknown nodes in already running world.
05:56	OldCoder	carts nature nether tree_plus vines
05:56	OldCoder
05:57	VanessaE	ok
05:57	VanessaE	probably nothing there that's related
05:57	OldCoder	To any of the issues?
05:57	OldCoder	cyan seems odd!
05:57	VanessaE	the rest of this seems benign
05:57	VanessaE	huh?
05:57	OldCoder	Missing cyan
05:57	OldCoder	is odd
05:57	VanessaE	oh, yes.
05:57	VanessaE	lemme check something
05:58	OldCoder	So the weird nodes might be chests?
05:58	OldCoder	Not connected chests?
05:58	VanessaE	no, I don't think so
05:59	OldCoder	What else can cause no punch?
05:59	VanessaE	I'm not sure what they were, but as for those wool blocks, I AM able to place those affected colors
05:59	VanessaE	so this is a database glitch
05:59	VanessaE	probably happened at capture-time
05:59	OldCoder	Compatibility version?
05:59	VanessaE	idk
05:59	OldCoder	Compatibility issue * ?
05:59	OldCoder	Well, the unknown blocks seem most significant
05:59	OldCoder	and based on what you just said, the colors can be replaced
06:00	VanessaE	indeed
06:00	VanessaE	Sokomine: *poke*
06:00	VanessaE	she would surely remember what was there
06:00	OldCoder	It's early there
06:00	OldCoder	ask her next time you see her
06:00	OldCoder	I'll restart one more time
06:00	OldCoder	to revert pipeworks
06:00	VanessaE	ok
06:00	OldCoder	and make any other changes for tonight
06:01	OldCoder	I figure it would take me a number of discussions with core devs to make an SQL filter that fully understood initial nodes
06:01	OldCoder	Useful tool!
06:01	OldCoder	Probably not quick to do
06:01	OldCoder	They pack
06:01	OldCoder	16x16x16 nodes together
06:01	OldCoder	and zlib-compress the result
06:01	OldCoder	Not easy to read in my head :-)
06:02	VanessaE	heh
06:02	OldCoder	Hm
06:02	OldCoder	I *will* try to decompress it
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06:13	OldCoder	Hm
06:13	OldCoder	I think I've got a list of things related to the blocks
06:14	OldCoder	Heh
06:14	OldCoder	VanessaE, the list includes "unknown"
06:14	OldCoder	It's actually there in the DB as unknown
06:14	VanessaE	fek.
06:14	VanessaE	that means it was busted at capture time.
06:14	OldCoder	Sokomine is the last word
06:15	OldCoder	If she remembers, we replace that way
06:15	OldCoder	Else I can just mass delete them
06:15	OldCoder	Restarting
06:17	OldCoder	VanessaE, I'll be asleep shortly. If you remember, talk to Sokomine. This world will be good as new, or at least usable, soon
06:17	VanessaE	ok
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06:17	VanessaE	I'll try to remember
06:18	OldCoder	It looks like we got a lot of it
06:18	OldCoder	Plus Ron? 565? might have a more complete copy
06:18	OldCoder	RedCrab will live on
06:18	Miner_48er	OldCoder could you publish your decompression method. I haven't seen much documentation on that.
06:18	VanessaE	yep, everything I looked at was definitely in please, minus those errant nodes
06:18	VanessaE	all the *structure* was there for sure
06:18	VanessaE	I wonder if my mine still exists :P
06:18	VanessaE	(I doubt it :P )
06:19	OldCoder	Who can fix the TV mod? Miner_48er I can explain it later but in this case I didn't finish. I found the strings in an uncompressed section.
06:19	OldCoder	VanessaE, it is underground
06:19	OldCoder	Capture probably didn't go there
06:19	OldCoder	We did get a lot of it
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06:19	OldCoder	And the insides seem to be there
06:20	VanessaE	OldCoder: is THIS the TV mod you're using?  https://github.com/Jordach/Minetest-Mods/tree/master/tv
06:20	VanessaE	(note, that repo is a modpack)
06:20	OldCoder	Yes, probably
06:21	VanessaE	ok
06:21	OldCoder	I'll update now and restart
06:21	VanessaE	I see the error
06:21	VanessaE	line 136
06:21	OldCoder	Ah
06:21	VanessaE	minetest.env:add_node(pos,{name="v:screen_10"})
06:21	OldCoder	Shall I clone and patch?
06:22	OldCoder	*clone*
06:22	VanessaE	should be "tv:screen_10" there.
06:22	VanessaE	yes, clone and fix that one little bit there.
06:22	OldCoder	clone is failing
06:22	OldCoder	ZIP link?
06:22	VanessaE	clone this, gitgithub.com:Jordach/Minetest-Mods.git
06:22	VanessaE	or zip:  https://github.com/Jordach/Minetest-Mods/archive/master.zip
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06:22	OldCoder	Access denied...
06:23	VanessaE	ok, sec
06:23	OldCoder	Wait
06:23	VanessaE	clone THIS then, https://github.com/Jordach/Minetest-Mods.git
06:23	OldCoder	Got it with last one
06:23	VanessaE	ok
06:23	OldCoder	He's got a wool in there
06:23	VanessaE	yeah, ignore that
06:23	VanessaE	that's the olllllllld 11-color one
06:24	VanessaE	tv/init.lua line 136
06:24	OldCoder	om
06:24	VanessaE	should be "tv:screen_10"
06:24	OldCoder	Patched
06:24	OldCoder	restarting in a moment
06:24	VanessaE	k
06:25	OldCoder	Restarted
06:26	rubberduck	Hi VanessaE
06:26	VanessaE	hi
06:27	OldCoder	Item "moreblocks:stair_stonebrick" not defined
06:27	OldCoder	Well, that's one
06:27	VanessaE	OldCoder: ok, problem is fixed.
06:27	OldCoder	I have a mismatched moreblocks
06:27	VanessaE	OldCoder: yeah, it's moreblocks:stair_stone_brick now I think.
06:27	VanessaE	but be careful, moreblocks is touchy
06:27	OldCoder	Yes
06:27	OldCoder	Reviewing
06:27	VanessaE	anyway, I need to head to bed now
06:27	rubberduck	i have a special area protection request for you, on the survival server, you can read more about in the irc logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2014-10-02#i_3959311
06:28	VanessaE	rubberduck: ok, one moment please.
06:29	OldCoder	VanessaE, night
06:30	VanessaE	rubberduck: you got coords for it?
06:30	OldCoder	Hm
06:30	OldCoder	Where do aliases go
06:30	OldCoder	Ah
06:30	VanessaE	OldCoder: anywhere, as long as the nodes they point to have already been defined.  the end of the mod that defines the replacement nodes is as good a place as any
06:31	OldCoder	moreblocks:stair_stonebrick
06:31	OldCoder	alias that to stair_stone_brick
06:31	OldCoder	If I find the latter
06:31	OldCoder	Hm
06:31	VanessaE	rubberduck: this thing that looks like a huge checkerboard?
06:31	OldCoder	That isn't there either
06:32	VanessaE	rubberduck: talk over here, on this channel please.
06:32	rubberduck	that checkerboard helps me to know where i have to place blocks in different colors
06:33	VanessaE	gotchya
06:33	VanessaE	so you just need the dimensions of the platform + vertical to +99?
06:33	rubberduck	that is ok
06:33	VanessaE	ok
06:34	rubberduck	name should be: oversized minetest-logo
06:35	VanessaE	done
06:35	VanessaE	and with that, I'm off :-)
06:35	rubberduck	thank you
06:35	VanessaE	yw
06:35	VanessaE	night
06:35	OldCoder	o/
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06:48	OldCoder	kaeza, SilverCrab is up at minetest.org port 30019. We need help diagnosing bad mods and missing blocks.
06:50	Zeno`	Hello Mr Kaeza
06:51	kaeza	o/
06:51	Zeno`	What does o/ mean? You're doing one-armed weightlifting?
06:51	OldCoder	Wave
06:51	Zeno`	:D
06:52	Zeno`	my jokes always fall very flat
06:52	kaeza	if you look it the other way, you're bowling
06:53	sfan5	meow
06:53	sfan5	hi everyone
06:53	Zeno`	like o\ ?
06:53	OldCoder	sfan5, moin
06:53	OldCoder	sfan5, SilverCrab is up at minetest.org port 30019. We need help diagnosing bad mods and missing blocks.
06:53	Zeno`	what's the missing block in my inventory?
06:53	sfan5	I can help in a min
06:53	OldCoder	No rush
06:53	* kaeza	meows at sfan5
06:54	Zeno`	might be able to write a script to identify unknown nodes
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06:55	OldCoder	I think that some are corrupted and stored as unknown
06:55	OldCoder	Need people who remember RedCrab to comment
06:55	Zeno`	hmm
06:55	OldCoder	on what was there
06:55	Quall	anyone know why krocks server is not on?
06:56	OldCoder	What is the screenshot key?
06:56	sfan5	F12
06:56	sfan5	(iirc)
06:56	OldCoder	ty
06:58	Zeno`	I guess a start would be seeing what the unknown item I am holding is
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06:59	oOChainLynxOo	Hi OldCoder
07:00	oOChainLynxOo	It's JayKeePoo
07:00	OldCoder	Oh, Hi!
07:00	oOChainLynxOo	I certainly remember Redcrab
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07:00	Zeno`	JayKeePoo :p~~~~~~~~
07:00	OldCoder	Well, visit and help to identify things
07:00	* Zeno`	pours a bucket of ice on his head
07:00	OldCoder	Feel free to email oldcoderyahoo.com
07:01	oOChainLynxOo	Lol Zeno`
07:01	CWz	can't join worng password
07:01	oOChainLynxOo	Join what?
07:01	oOChainLynxOo	Can you post something
07:01	OldCoder	CWz, Silvercrab?
07:02	CWz	yeah
07:02	OldCoder	It's a new world. Reset your password.
07:02	oOChainLynxOo	CWz and I remember things
07:02	OldCoder	Hm. Hang on, why couldn't he join?
07:02	OldCoder	Any password should have worked
07:02	OldCoder	Reviewing auth
07:02	oOChainLynxOo	OldCoder: address and port please?
07:03	OldCoder	oOChainLynxOo, minetest.org 30019 as stated in the tweet
07:03	OldCoder	Wait
07:03	OldCoder	CWz, I mean
07:03	oOChainLynxOo	I'm loading just fine
07:03	CWz	am in
07:03	OldCoder	kk
07:03	oOChainLynxOo	I'm coming in
07:04	OldCoder	kk
07:04	oOChainLynxOo	Also, nice name, Silvercrab
07:04	OldCoder	Yes, shouldn't take original as it technically still exists
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07:09	oOChainLynxOo	True
07:09	oOChainLynxOo	Also sounds shiny
07:09	OldCoder	00:01:56: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ...hare/minetest/games/silvercrab_game/mods/timber/init.lua:34: attempt to index local 'digger' (a nil value)
07:09	oOChainLynxOo	Hmm
07:09	OldCoder	Wrong timber? oOChainLynxOo
07:09	OldCoder	Reviewing
07:09	oOChainLynxOo	Strange
07:09	oOChainLynxOo	Never saw an error like that
07:09	OldCoder	A lot of mismatches
07:09	OldCoder	Wait briefly
07:10	oOChainLynxOo	Ok
07:10	OldCoder	Yes, I've got a timber that is too new I think
07:10	OldCoder	Fixing
07:10	OldCoder	Should I add mesecons?
07:10	oOChainLynxOo	Hmm
07:11	oOChainLynxOo	Might be a little op on this server
07:11	OldCoder	op?
07:11	oOChainLynxOo	over-powering
07:11	OldCoder	No
07:11	OldCoder	CWz thought
07:11	OldCoder	blocks might be mese?
07:11	oOChainLynxOo	I thought mesecons was a pretty big mod
07:11	OldCoder	It is
07:11	oOChainLynxOo	Ah
07:11	OldCoder	Question is, what are the unknown blocks
07:11	OldCoder	beneath spawn?
07:11	OldCoder	Restarting with fixed timber
07:11	CWz	mese
07:11	oOChainLynxOo	I'll take a look and guess
07:11	OldCoder	oOChainLynxOo, ^
07:12	oOChainLynxOo	Yes, install the classic mese mod
07:12	OldCoder	The two of you decide whether or not they are mese plese
07:12	OldCoder	Link?
07:12	OldCoder	I'll do it now
07:12	oOChainLynxOo	The only problem is that it also has the 0.3.1 mese
07:12	oOChainLynxOo	Which I don't know if that'll be a problem or not
07:12	OldCoder	Hm? Explain "has"
07:12	OldCoder	Are there blocks from both?
07:13	oOChainLynxOo	It has the old grey mese block too
07:13	oOChainLynxOo	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8315
07:13	OldCoder	So, install two mesemods?
07:13	oOChainLynxOo	If you would like
07:13	OldCoder	It is your decision
07:13	OldCoder	Indicate links you'd like me to test
07:14	oOChainLynxOo	This mod comes with two mese blocks which is a problem, but there is no other mod that has the old mese
07:14	OldCoder	What do you suppose he did?
07:14	oOChainLynxOo	Hmm
07:15	OldCoder	Relax and consider a minute
07:15	OldCoder	If mese will fix the unknown blocks that is fine; but what was in his world?
07:16	oOChainLynxOo	Just the classic yellow mese, not the grey mese
07:16	OldCoder	So what do we need?
07:16	oOChainLynxOo	Aha! Found just the yellow mese
07:16	oOChainLynxOo	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4191
07:16	OldCoder	Ah
07:16	OldCoder	Link?
07:16	OldCoder	For download, I mean
07:16	* OldCoder	is at CLI
07:16	oOChainLynxOo	This is odd
07:17	oOChainLynxOo	Hang on
07:17	oOChainLynxOo	I'll send you a link to my dropbox that has the mod in it
07:17	OldCoder	Sure
07:17	oOChainLynxOo	This is a little convoluted
07:17	OldCoder	PM if convenient
07:18	OldCoder	Do you think capture failed for mese blocks?
07:18	oOChainLynxOo	Uh oh
07:18	oOChainLynxOo	The service shut down
07:18	oOChainLynxOo	I can't download it
07:18	OldCoder	Heh
07:18	OldCoder	Maybe I have it; looking
07:18	oOChainLynxOo	How convenient, lol
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07:18	OldCoder	Wait briefly
07:18	oOChainLynxOo	Not a problem
07:19	CWz	what is missing?
07:19	OldCoder	mese
07:19	OldCoder	When was the switch?
07:19	oOChainLynxOo	I think around 0.4.5 or .4.6
07:20	OldCoder	I have January 2013
07:20	oOChainLynxOo	I think that's it
07:20	OldCoder	Do I install the entire modpack?
07:21	OldCoder	Or just mesecons?
07:21	OldCoder	0.41 DEV
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07:21	oOChainLynxOo	I don't know
07:21	oOChainLynxOo	I've never worked with mesecons before
07:21	OldCoder	I'll start with just the base 1st
07:21	OldCoder	Moment
07:22	OldCoder	Any other changes before this restart?
07:22	OldCoder	Restarting
07:23	OldCoder	VanessaE can tell you about cyan
07:23	OldCoder	She thinks it's working but there is a bug with existing blocks
07:23	OldCoder	Can be used now
07:23	OldCoder	Restarted
07:23	oOChainLynxOo	Ok
07:24	OldCoder	VanessaE thinks flying is slow
07:24	OldCoder	Wondered if physics are different here
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07:25	OldCoder	oOChainLynxOo, tell me coords of an interesting place to screenshot
07:26	oOChainLynxOo	Sure
07:26	oOChainLynxOo	No, physics were not different here
07:26	OldCoder	I mean now
07:26	OldCoder	She thinks something might be out of whack
07:26	oOChainLynxOo	Yes there is something strange here
07:26	oOChainLynxOo	Physicswise
07:26	oOChainLynxOo	Run isn't as fast
07:26	OldCoder	Interesting
07:27	OldCoder	Not a setting?
07:27	oOChainLynxOo	There is a setting somewhere in I think minetest.conf
07:27	oOChainLynxOo	That's my best bet
07:27	OldCoder	No idea which though?
07:27	OldCoder	Well, indicate a favorite place
07:28	OldCoder	What is this silo with monsters in it?
07:28	oOChainLynxOo	Moment
07:30	OldCoder	I'll be asleep shortly oOChainLynxOo but as you see I honor deals :P meow
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07:35	oOChainLynxOo	:)
07:37	OldCoder	oOChainLynxOo, you wish me to install mithril ore?
07:38	oOChainLynxOo	Install moreores
07:38	oOChainLynxOo	Hang on
07:38	OldCoder	I have moreores, possibly the wrong version
07:38	oOChainLynxOo	https://gitorious.org/calinou/moreores/archive/master.zip
07:39	CWz	i made a new oldmese mod
07:39	OldCoder	That is newest, it may not work, but let me see
07:39	OldCoder	CWz, go on
07:39	CWz	it fateful to the original mese from redcrab
07:39	oOChainLynxOo	Faithful*
07:39	OldCoder	Link?
07:39	CWz	and it crashed
07:40	CWz	something related to generate_ore
07:41	OldCoder	oOChainLynxOo, CWz restarting with new moreores
07:41	OldCoder	Please review
07:41	OldCoder	As this may break things
07:42	oOChainLynxOo	Also, install the maptools mod for admins and moderators. It has a pickaxe specially used by admins and can only be accessed by them
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07:42	OldCoder	Cylus, hilus
07:42	Cylus	Hey OldCoder! How goes it?
07:42	OldCoder	Good. Had to put aside the DB editor temporarily but revived RedCrab
07:43	Cylus	Sweet. That was a pretty cool world.
07:43	OldCoder	Needs work but is back
07:43	OldCoder	oOChainLynxOo, CWz check please
07:43	oOChainLynxOo	Checking now
07:46	CWz	can figure out what is causing the crash in my oldmese mod
07:46	OldCoder	kk
07:47	CWz	something related to generate_ore that is all i know
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07:50	MinetestBot	[Git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Fix misc. style issues 37d3c3d http://git.io/TJ2l5g (2014-10-03T03:49:06-04:00)
07:50	MinetestBot	[Git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Clean up nodedef.cpp 01ce57a http://git.io/06iK4w (2014-10-03T03:21:08-04:00)
07:54	CWz	got my oldmese mod to work
07:54	OldCoder	Link?
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07:59	oOChainLynxOo	Missing ores at the crafting school
08:01	oOChainLynxOo	Fixed missing ores at crafting school
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08:02	oOChainLynxOo	Also we have mitrhil ore
08:03	oOChainLynxOo	CWz, OldCoder, found a new unknown node
08:03	oOChainLynxOo	Or rather, an item
08:04	CWz	OldCoder: is going to sleep
08:04	oOChainLynxOo	Ok, we are missing silicon lump
08:04	CWz	what mod was that
08:05	oOChainLynxOo	Whatever mod is the one with the speakers and tvs
08:05	CWz	i think it homedecor or 3dfurniture
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08:39	oOChainLynxOo	Going to bed, good night all
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08:52	JamesTait	Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Techie’s Day! :-D
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08:59	rubberduck	hi meldrian
08:59	meldrian	hi rubberduck :)
08:59	meldrian	hi everyone else
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09:15	jp_	test
09:16	Amaz	test_received
09:16	jp_	weechat on raspi \o/
09:16	Amaz	Nice!
09:18	jp_	but there is no mt 0410 in the repos :(
09:18	jp_	only 0.3.x
09:20	Amaz	Make it you self?
09:21	jp_	a pain
09:22	jp_	MC-Pi edition
09:22	jp_	oops, wrong window
09:23	Amaz	XD
09:32	MinetestBot	[Git] BlockMen -> minetest/minetest_game: Tweak some textures, new chest texture 56cc419 http://git.io/rkBJBg (2014-10-03T11:29:17+02:00)
09:32	MinetestBot	[Git] BlockMen -> minetest/minetest_game: Add improved grass textures by @Philipbenr (slightly modified), fixes #323 6532978 http://git.io/igPaeA (2014-10-03T11:29:10+02:00)
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09:54	Nekrodes	jp_: you are a traitor xD
10:03	PenguinDad	Trick or Trait :D
10:08	jp_	call me 'judas'
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10:20	rubberduck	i have a weird issue with colored steel-framed obsidian glass, when i look at it from various directions on different places, the glass gets opaque, see how it looks: http://platen-software.de/sebastian/minetest/blue_glass_bug.jpg
10:23	rubberduck	i'll restart the computer because of this issue
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10:24	PenguinDad	^ RealBadAngel
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10:29	rubberduck	the issue still appears
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10:36	Nerotic	Morning.
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10:52	PenguinDad	plantlike is broken :( https://cdn.mediacru.sh/D5gHzLQeeYML.png
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11:29	PenguinDad	hmmmm bwoke my precious drawtypes! :(
11:33	Amaz	:(
11:35	Zeno`	PenguinDad, what's broken there?
11:36	Zeno`	maybe plant rotation, but I'm not sure
11:37	PenguinDad	Zeno`: the planes (or however you call them) are only textured on one side
11:38	Zeno`	weird. If you place those plant types manually are they rendered correctly?
11:41	PenguinDad	Zeno`: they aren't rendered correctly regardless of how you place them
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11:46	Zeno`	oh gosh
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12:01	RealBadAngel	PenguinDad, one sided? pretty weird
12:01	RealBadAngel	does that apply to all the plants?
12:02	PenguinDad	RealBadAngel: yes
12:03	RealBadAngel	any more details?
12:04	PenguinDad	RealBadAngel: This commit breaks it https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/01ce57ade534f83d80bbb1f0c48630891b338237
12:08	RealBadAngel	PenguinDad, i see
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12:08	RealBadAngel	i will try to find the reason
12:11	RealBadAngel	need to clone fresh and build, give me a few minutes
12:11	CWz	i think the plantlike drawtype might have been broken in latest git
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13:35	MinetestBot	[Git] maciej.kasatkino2.pl -> minetest/minetest: Fix broken plantlike drawtype. 0920f55 http://git.io/V68FpA (2014-10-03T15:33:32+02:00)
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14:45	kilbith	BlockMen : https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/324#issuecomment-57805103
14:51	BlockMen	kilbith, better than before. But current steel and especially gold looks IMO better
14:51	BlockMen	yours is still not really shiny...
14:51	kilbith	current steel is too white-ish
14:52	kilbith	and dirty for all of them
14:52	kilbith	current gold is too 'flashy'
14:53	BlockMen	kilbith, there is no accounting for taste ;)
14:54	kilbith	well, it seems that most of players there likes my textures
14:54	kilbith	better than the current
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14:56	BlockMen	idc what most think. my opinion is my opinion. but thats all. since nore seems to agree on it you got 50% to merge it already ;)
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15:00	kilbith	for textures, if 90% of non-devs people are agree for merge, and 20% of devs doesn't... what happens ?
15:01	DusXMT	20% of devs doesn't = 80% of devs do -> If democracy works inside the project, it gets passed
15:02	kilbith	there is no democracy in this case
15:02	DusXMT	Then it depends no who is in that 20%
15:02	DusXMT	s/no/on/
15:02	BlockMen	its kinda simple. when 2 devs (of mt_game) agree it gets merged
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15:02	BlockMen	there are 3 devs
15:03	BlockMen	im out on agreeing, nore did
15:03	BlockMen	so sfan5 is left
15:03	BlockMen	if he agrees its in
15:03	kilbith	but does just 4 devs can represents the tastes of people ?
15:03	DusXMT	kilbith: It's their game
15:03	kilbith	that's the point
15:05	BlockMen	the point is not that its "our" game. the point is that there needs to be  way to make sure not everything goes in
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15:05	BlockMen	how bad mass opinions can be is readable in history
15:06	mistnim	hitler?
15:06	BlockMen	that does not mean that mass desicions are bad, but it means they are also not always right
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15:07	DusXMT	Yeah. For example, if Poland didn't become a temporary dictature in WW1, it would have most probably failed tragically in the war, as the parlament full of people arguing with each other just didn't cut it. (Of course, I'm not a supporter of dictatures, I'm just stating a history fact)
15:08	RealBadAngel	masses can follow one artist or just piss on him
15:08	RealBadAngel	simple as that
15:08	kilbith	that's understandable for the code, but a dev do not necessarily a objective/good eye on aesthetic thing like texture
15:08	kilbith	necessarily have*
15:08	RealBadAngel	and there will never be a texture that will fit all the tastes
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15:08	RealBadAngel	one prefer van gogh others picasso :P
15:08	* PenguinDad	looks at Jordach
15:09	Jordach	how did you know i was here
15:09	DusXMT	I find: as long as it's customizable, I don't care about the default
15:09	RealBadAngel	DusXMT, thats why texture packs are here
15:09	DusXMT	Yup
15:10	Jordach	and i don't want RBA's bullshit photorealism ideas whatsoever
15:10	RealBadAngel	yup
15:10	DusXMT	RBA?
15:10	RealBadAngel	and i have the right to piss at that opinion too ;)
15:10	RealBadAngel	thats the freedom of choice
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15:11	RealBadAngel	we dont force anything here
15:11	DusXMT	And if someone doesn't like it, they can always fork it and change what they dislike (freedom 2)
15:12	kilbith	some forks will never be under the "spotlights"
15:12	kilbith	most of the forks, even
15:13	DusXMT	well, that's how the free market works. You either get followers, or don't
15:13	blaise	or you get lit on fire by an angry mob with torches and pitch forks
15:14	Amaz	↑
15:14	DusXMT	heh, that would be cool
15:14	kilbith	surrounded by a plethora of choices, you can't easily make a good choice, that's the problem
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15:15	* DusXMT	wonders if there's a `make torches fire-based meelee weapons'
15:15	DusXMT	mod
15:15	BlockMen	kilbith, why are you complaining at all? there is no decision yet and you got 50% already...
15:15	kilbith	where did you see I'm complaining about my pending PR ? ;)
15:16	BlockMen	well, then why are you complaining at all?
15:16	kilbith	just emitted some questioning
15:17	BlockMen	...
15:18	Sokomine	OldCoder, VanessaE: the problem of the cyan wool you where talking about is kind of vanessas fault :) her server had more than 4k diffrent blocks, and thus mt was changed to be able to handle more than that amount of blocks. only redcrabs server never got that update, and thus an inconsistency between server and (newer) client existed while capturing. in case of redcrabs server, cyan wool is the node that got hit by this problem
15:19	Sokomine	OldCoder, VanessaE: as far as mods for redcrabs server go, i've created a collection some time ago. in the meantime, inocudom has located my old posting and even quoted it. you can get a set of working mods (i think they ought to still work!) from that thread
15:21	Sokomine	OldCoder, VanessaE: the posting regarding the mod collection for redcrabs server is even linked directly as one of the games listed in the posting behind the link in my signature. you can find it here: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7537
15:22	Sokomine	OldCoder, VanessaE: as far as hosting redcrabs server goes, my opinion is still ambivalent. i want the server to live on. what i don't want is multiple official versions of the server out there running at the same time
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15:24	blaise	Sokomine: what if they all ran on the same db server?
15:24	blaise	aka redis..
15:24	blaise	is that even possible?
15:24	blaise	can you run multiple servers on the same redis server database ?
15:25	Sokomine	blaise: no idea if that's technically possible or if it would be a good idea
15:25	blaise	then we could link the different servers chat channels
15:25	selah	Can someone kick shadowzone please?
15:25	blaise	but I don't think the minetest supports the linking or leafing or anything like that
15:25	Sokomine	ah. linking chat channels is a diffrent issue. that has been done already by using irc mods
15:25	PenguinDad	blaise: afaik it is possible but could cause corruption
15:26	blaise	ah
15:26	blaise	PenguinDad: that is very unfortunit..
15:26	Sokomine	blaise: it wouldn't save the problem i talked about. it's not too high load or something like that which would be the issue here
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15:27	blaise	you just don't want posers prentending to be redcrab?
15:27	blaise	did redcrab die or something?
15:27	Sokomine	blaise: our main problem is that the owner of a server which used to run for a very long time and has excellent buildings sort of shows up only once in a year anymore. and we got a problem that crashed the server - so there's no one there to solve the problem and restart
15:27	blaise	massive cardiac infarktion?
15:28	Sokomine	not exactly posers. i don't want there to be diverging versions of the map...so that half the players build on map a, while the other one builds on map b. that's why i was so very reluctant to give oldcoder my copy of the map
15:28	Sokomine	we don't know. by all we know he might be fine. he was away for a year once before
15:29	blaise	yar
15:29	Sokomine	if you can find a working way of contacting him, do so!
15:29	blaise	lmao
15:29	blaise	bust in the front door of his house wearing a sam suit
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15:30	Sokomine	it hasn't dropped that far in all countries yet, though there may be doubt
15:31	blaise	what hasn't dropped?
15:32	* blaise	suspects Sokomine was in the wrong channel on that last message
15:33	blaise	http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/pictured-cow-rescued-coastguard-after-4298170
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15:42	blaise	pureluaentity is making my log files WAY to big
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15:42	blaise	WAY, WAY, WAY too big!
15:43	blaise	[pureluaentity] Saving DB...
15:43	blaise	[pureluaentity] Saved 0 entities.
15:43	iqualfragile	blaise: whats way to big?
15:43	PenguinDad	That is WAY, WAY, WAY too big!
15:43	iqualfragile	shadowzone: look, i bought a new van, hope you like it more: http://i.imgur.com/mhlSvug.jpg
15:43	DusXMT	How many kilolines per second?
15:45	iqualfragile	DusXMT: kilolines?
15:45	blaise	pureluaentity
15:45	blaise	it's been a week, and my log file has increased 3 gigs
15:45	blaise	this is a problem for me
15:46	DusXMT	Wow
15:46	DusXMT	Can't you set up a script to strip it every now and then?
15:46	* blaise	facepalms
15:47	DusXMT	Why? You could set it up so that cron runs it every day and removes useless information from it
15:47	blaise	that's not very efficient.
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15:47	microcarrot	http://harpbeta.tk/post/458
15:48	microcarrot	made my day 20x better ^
15:49	blaise	._.
15:49	microcarrot	lel
15:50	DusXMT	blaise: How is it not then? What's the problem with that approach? (well, the loss of potentially important information is one thing I can think of, but not anything else really)
15:50	blaise	approach?
15:50	DusXMT	Of controling the log size
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15:51	blaise	why should I have to write a parsing/cleanup script for a log file becuase someone has uselessly verbose crap in their mod?
15:51	blaise	who's mod is that anyway?
15:51	blaise	is that sapiers stuff that's doing that?
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15:52	DusXMT	Why? Perhaps because you don't want it to grow by 3 gigs every week?
15:53	DusXMT	Okay, this is circular logic, I'll stop here
15:54	* blaise	fills a massive salad mixing bowl with gallons and gallons of oatmeal
15:55	* blaise	curls up to his laptop with the massive bowl of oatmeal and digs in
15:55	iqualfragile	blaise: i personally just move my old log file out of the way, zip it and rename it to the current date on server startup
15:55	blaise	iqualfragile: have you ever heard of logrotate ?
15:56	iqualfragile	blaise: yes, i have
15:56	blaise	k
15:56	DusXMT	better than zip is lmza, a common implementation is xz
15:56	microcarrot	blaise: I envy your salad bowl, your oatmeal, and your laptop
15:57	shadowzone	XD'
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15:57	shadowzone	Nice van.
15:58	shadowzone	Still not hopping in and partying in a van.
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16:02	blaise	shadowzone: what van?
16:02	shadowzone	http://i.imgur.com/mhlSvug.jpg
16:04	blaise	shadowzone: that's kinda creepy
16:05	DusXMT	They've got all sorts of cool stuff, like "candies" that make you feel strange, knives, and other things as well
16:05	shadowzone	I know.
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16:10	MaraJade	I need some help. I created a game last night and played for a long time, then closed the game. This morning when I opened it, the world from last night was gone. Did I need to do something special when I closed it? Or can I get it back?
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16:12	iqualfragile	shadowzone: havn't you read the inscription of the van?
16:13	shadowzone	Yep.
16:13	iqualfragile	so?
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16:14	iqualfragile	DusXMT: ah, my fellow van-fan
16:15	iqualfragile	MaraJade: which os are you using?
16:15	blaise	BeeOS ?
16:15	blaise	OS/2 ?
16:18	MaraJade	iqualfragile: windows
16:18	PenguinDad	OSOS
16:20	iqualfragile	MaraJade: sorry, i have no idea where minetest saves it data on windows
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16:26	FreeFull	MaraJade: It shouldn't be gone
16:26	FreeFull	Saving is automatic
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16:29	MaraJade	FreeFull: Well, it isn't in the menu when I open the game
16:30	FreeFull	MaraJade: Yeah, it's meant to happen by itself without you needing to do a thing
16:30	FreeFull	MaraJade: Are you on Windows or Linux?
16:30	MaraJade	FreeFull: Windows
16:30	* DusXMT	smells corruption
16:30	FreeFull	I'm not sure where Minetest stores its data under Windows
16:30	DusXMT	filesystem corruption, or save corruption
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16:31	Jordach	if you placed it where you can't write to: you just lost your world
16:31	DusXMT	I'm pretty sure it's in install_dir/saves, but I could be wrong (or is the `saves' folder called differently?)
16:32	MaraJade	Jordach: What do you mean?
16:32	Jordach	MaraJade, eg, C:\Program Files\ or a intranet owned shared folder
16:33	MaraJade	Jordach: Would putting it in C:\Games\ cause problems?
16:33	Jordach	no
16:34	Jordach	but your own documents / desktop is a better place for it
16:36	Jordach	(it also won't work if your companies machines don't allow writing to desktop or other directories that are local)
16:37	erlehmann	can someone help me with my glider mod?
16:38	erlehmann	i just don't know what would constitute a proper gliding model
16:38	Salbei	hi
16:38	Salbei	someone use the irc mod?
16:38	erlehmann	like, if you are slower, you should plummet faster!
16:38	erlehmann	Salbei there is an irc mod? oh wow!
16:39	erlehmann	show and tell
16:39	microcarrot	yep, thereis
16:39	Salbei	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3905
16:39	microcarrot	it requires extra compiling tho
16:40	Salbei	but maybe it not maintained
16:40	shadowzone	I use the IRC mod.
16:41	shadowzone	https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc <---
16:42	Salbei	i have some errors when i launch the server maybe u will can help me
16:42	shadowzone	That doesn't require any compiling.
16:42	Salbei	http://paste.debian.net/124351/
16:42	shadowzone	Are you on linux?
16:42	Salbei	yes
16:42	shadowzone	sudo apt-get install luajit
16:43	Salbei	luajit not found
16:43	shadowzone	Hmm.
16:43	Salbei	t installed lua-socket before
16:43	Salbei	*I
16:44	Salbei	i will try with ur link
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16:44	shadowzone	Okay.
16:46	OldCoder	Sokomine, (1) I started with your RedCrab "_game" (2) The original RedCrab will ultimately disappear. Presently, people don't know, from day to day, whether their work will still exist the next. This isn't acceptable. (3) Comment on the unknown blocks that are below spawn, please. Should we delete them?
16:48	Salbei	shadowzone: same errrors with the github sources
16:48	shadowzone	Hmm.
16:49	shadowzone	Did you do a "submodule init update --init"
16:50	microcarrot	who would like to write minetest articles on my site?
16:51	Salbei	shadowzone: now yes! sry i had forget
16:52	erlehmann	microcarrot what is your site?
16:52	shadowzone	It worked?
16:52	microcarrot	http://harpbeta.tk erlehmann
16:52	erlehmann	microcarrot why should anyone write an article for your site instead of writing it on one's own site?
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16:53	Salbei	new errors now i paste it
16:53	microcarrot	i don't know, I guess if they didn't have a site or they were bored?
16:53	Salbei	shadowzone: http://paste.debian.net/124354/
16:53	microcarrot	^^ erlehmann
16:53	shadowzone	I'm trying to remember how I fixed that.
16:53	kaeza	Salbei, try this: open irc/init.lua, and after the package.path = ... lines, add this:
16:53	Salbei	:)
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16:54	erlehmann	microcarrot i laughed http://harpbeta.tk/post/458
16:54	kaeza	package.cpath = package.cpath .. ";/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lua/5.1/?.so"
16:54	kaeza	Salbei, ^
16:54	microcarrot	erlehmann: thanks :D
16:55	kaeza	replace x86_64 by i386 if running 32 bits
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16:56	microcarrot	lolololol
16:56	microcarrot	it looks like I broke the site a little bit
16:56	microcarrot	XD
16:56	* sfan5	meows at erlehmann
16:56	Salbei	yes its sounds good now kaeza
16:56	Salbei	thanks u kaeza and shadowzone
16:57	shadowzone	Your welcome.
16:57	kaeza	sure :)
16:57	shadowzone	Even thought kaeza probably helped more than me.
16:57	shadowzone	I'm still sorta a noob.
16:58	Salbei	u help me for submodule init ;)
16:59	rubenwardy	Hi all!
16:59	shadowzone	Hi rubenwardy.
16:59	* kaeza	puts a kitten on rubenwardy's head
16:59	* blaise	curls up in front of the fire place
17:00	shadowzone	o.O
17:00	shadowzone	What is it with y'all and cats?
17:00	OldCoder	cats are good
17:00	OldCoder	cats in the barn
17:00	OldCoder	cats on the stairs
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17:00	OldCoder	cats on the rooftops
17:00	OldCoder	cats in the airs
17:00	OldCoder
17:00	shadowzone	o.O
17:01	sfan5	>cats in the airs
17:01	sfan5	flying cats?
17:01	OldCoder	Yep
17:01	* OldCoder	looks for his "Cats Everywhere" poem
17:01	kaeza	Salbei, I'm seeing your server bot on ##mt-irc-mod
17:02	OldCoder	cats dancing with mice
17:02	OldCoder	cats sliding on ice
17:02	OldCoder	cats on skateboards riding
17:02	OldCoder	cats under beds hiding
17:02	OldCoder
17:02	sfan5	cats dancing with mese
17:02	sfan5	cats sliding on ice
17:02	microcarrot	lol
17:02	sfan5	cats in carts riding
17:02	OldCoder	i don't care about you
17:02	sfan5	cats under beds hiding
17:02	OldCoder	but if you leave me, i'll mew
17:02	OldCoder
17:02	microcarrot	lel
17:02	OldCoder	cats in the barn
17:02	OldCoder	cats batting yarn
17:03	OldCoder	cats on rooftops purr
17:03	OldCoder	cats in the snow brrr
17:03	OldCoder
17:03	OldCoder	CAT STOLE MY FOOD
17:03	OldCoder	CAT IS IN BAD MOOD
17:03	OldCoder	MOAR FOOD CAT SAYS
17:03	* sfan5	meows
17:03	OldCoder	GIVE ME CAT PEZ
17:03	OldCoder
17:03	OldCoder	serve me, meow
17:03	OldCoder	it's what you are *for*
17:03	OldCoder
17:03	OldCoder	i sleep all the time
17:03	sfan5	you should write poems
17:03	sfan5	oh wait
17:03	OldCoder	pet me, stop silly rhyme
17:03	OldCoder
17:03	sfan5	you already are
17:03	microcarrot	lol
17:03	OldCoder	cats on the moon
17:04	OldCoder	cats in the sky
17:04	OldCoder	cats flying here and there
17:04	OldCoder	cats by and by
17:04	OldCoder
17:04	OldCoder	meow says the cats
17:04	OldCoder	as they chase the rats
17:04	OldCoder
17:04	OldCoder	cats on your head
17:04	kilbith	you've finally deleted NYC, OldCoder :)
17:04	OldCoder	cats at you stare
17:04	OldCoder	cats on the bed
17:04	OldCoder	cats everywhere!
17:04	OldCoder
17:04	OldCoder	kilbith, Hm?
17:04	OldCoder	No, I run NYC
17:04	OldCoder	Might not be up right now
17:05	kilbith	not on 30019 so
17:05	OldCoder	Server move finished, porting all the worlds to MT 0.4.10
17:05	OldCoder	kilbith, I'd forgotten which servers were on which ports
17:05	Salbei	yes thank kaeza :)
17:05	OldCoder	NYC will get another port
17:05	kilbith	oh ok
17:05	Salbei	i find the chan just now
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17:07	sfan5	o/ asie
17:07	microcarrot	hi asie!
17:08	PenguinDad	Hi asie
17:08	asie	Hi asie
17:08	rubberduck	hi asie
17:08	microcarrot	it appears asie is popular
17:08	microcarrot	XD
17:08	asie	:)
17:08	shadowzone	Hi asie.
17:09	rubberduck	and asie says hi to him/herself
17:09	microcarrot	asie is definately popular in my eyes
17:09	microcarrot	for saving ASCIImator
17:10	sfan5	asie: http://youtu.be/5MJQhe6XdWg
17:10	* rubberduck	grinds a nyan cat into dust
17:10	sfan5	asie: (don't ask why)
17:11	microcarrot	it appears that gender is not a big problem on IRC
17:11	sfan5	!tell Calinou http://www.twitch.tv/darkgarx/c/5225379
17:11	MinetestBot	sfan5: I'll pass that on when Calinou is around
17:12	asie	sfan5: i know vry well why
17:12	asie	i uploaded that video
17:13	microcarrot	and because http://asie.pl
17:13	microcarrot	hehe
17:13	sfan5	asie: I meant that you shouldn't ask why I gave you that link
17:13	asie	also
17:14	asie	i will be working on a new asie.p
17:14	asie	l
17:14	shadowzone	That video was annoying.  No offense.
17:14	microcarrot	haha
17:14	OldCoder	VanessaE, Sokomine didn't comment on the unknown blocks. RedCrab 30402 is up; compare there if you wish.
17:14	asie	shadowzone: I had nothing better to put on the page
17:14	shadowzone	o.O
17:14	MaraJade	Question: Would closing to os without ever having closed to menu in a new world cause it to not save correctly?
17:15	microcarrot	maybe I should do something like that when I switch sites
17:15	proller	Э
17:15	PenguinDad	microcarrot: do it with ponies then ;)
17:15	proller	miss!
17:16	microcarrot	I probably will XD
17:16	sfan5	MaraJade: it _should_ not cause that
17:17	iqualfragile	shadowzone: u like disco?
17:17	shadowzone	Yeah.
17:18	iqualfragile	DusXMT: new plan
17:18	microcarrot	lol
17:18	microcarrot	PenguinDad: https://derpiboo.ru/404
17:20	cities	so irccloud wants
17:20	cities	5 bucks a month
17:20	sfan5	cities: do you even znc somewhere
17:20	microcarrot	what is a IRC cloud?
17:20	PenguinDad	5 bucks == 15 steel ingots :P
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17:21	cities	sfan5: what
17:21	cities	I was using ZNC
17:21	cities	til my friend cut me off
17:22	cities	their shell
17:22	sfan5	i c
17:22	sfan5	then just use a free shell
17:22	cities	they won't open ports
17:22	cities	can't use 22
17:22	cities	or I would
17:27	sfan5	won't they allow unprivileged ports?
17:28	cities	explain
17:28	cities	not sure what that is
17:28	sfan5	ports > 1024
17:29	cities	hmm I don't know its possible.
17:29	sfan5	what do you need port 22 for?
17:29	cities	I don't need port 22. Its the default ssh port...which work blocks
17:30	sfan5	and wheres the problem?
17:30	sfan5	you can't use port 22 for znc anyway
17:30	jp_	linux-users : is there a way to revert a $ mv ?
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17:30	cities	I use screen and irssi at work sfan5
17:30	cities	the znc comes in with my phone
17:30	cities	used*
17:31	cities	ssh-ing out at work is the problem
17:31	sfan5	then irssi-out at work
17:31	cities	maybe you can help me. I don't want to take up the channel with this
17:32	cities	can I msg you?
17:32	sfan5	sure
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17:34	MinetestBot	Calinou: 10-03 17:11 UTC <sfan5> http://www.twitch.tv/darkgarx/c/5225379
17:35	Calinou	no thanks
17:35	rubenwardy	lol
17:36	rubenwardy	"We're playing the Carbone mod"
17:36	sfan5	Calinou: ??
17:36	rubenwardy	"minetest.com"
17:36	sfan5	rubenwardy: don't hate on people for not understanding everything
17:36	kaeza	sfan5, the libcurl-7.18.0-win32-msvc.zip package is 404. I found one here: https://github.com/diffbot/diffbot-cpp-client/tree/master/deps/libcurl-7.18.0-win32-msvc
17:37	kaeza	could you please set up a zip of that and update buildbot?
17:37	sfan5	kaeza: I still have the original
17:37	sfan5	curl could use an update anyway
17:37	sfan5	I'll see if a new one is available
17:37	rubenwardy	Not hating. Just showing that it isn't made obvious.
17:37	Calinou	rubenwardy, do my NBE build work?
17:38	rubenwardy	Dissing my orange tree texture :O
17:40	rubenwardy	http://minetest.com/ is confusing to new people. It should link to minetest.net or redirect.
17:40	* microcarrot	sighs
17:40	microcarrot	another movie?
17:40	Calinou	or we just buy minetest.com when it expires
17:40	VanessaE	OldCoder: she did comment, scroll back
17:41	VanessaE	OldCoder:  http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2014-10-03#i_3961393
17:41	rubenwardy	They mention the food mod! Someone actually uses it!
17:42	OldCoder	VanessaE, I saw that...
17:42	OldCoder	Not about the cyan
17:42	OldCoder	About the blocks under spawn; aren't they different?
17:42	OldCoder	There are the unknown blocks you can't identify
17:42	kaeza	sfan5, can you give me a link to your saved package?
17:42	OldCoder	Where are those?
17:43	sfan5	rubenwardy: at least minetest.com links to minetest.net and doesn't just offer some version of 2 years ago
17:43	sfan5	kaeza: one sec
17:43	OldCoder	john_minetest, you
17:43	OldCoder	john_minetest, yo *
17:44	microcarrot	OldCoder, we are about ready for that moontest server
17:44	OldCoder	kk
17:45	microcarrot	all we need is a good lunarium block texture
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17:47	sfan5	kaeza: http://meow.minetest.net/tmp/libcurl-7.18.0-win32-msvc.zip
17:48	kaeza	sfan5, got it, thanks :)
17:48	kaeza	now... let's see if this thing builds...
17:48	sfan5	it should
17:49	kaeza	not without mingw installed :|
17:49	kaeza	hurr
17:50	sfan5	kaeza: how do you expect it to build somewith without a compiler? :P
17:50	microcarrot	sfan5, what version of iOS does the version of ffmpeg on your cydia thing support?
17:50	kaeza	magic
17:50	kaeza	?
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17:51	* kaeza	installs mingw
17:51	* kaeza	hugs exio4_
17:51	sfan5	microcarrot: any device with armv7
17:51	* microcarrot	uninstalls mingw
17:51	sfan5	microcarrot: but it's currently broken
17:51	sfan5	microcarrot: I can try building a new one
17:51	* exio4	hugs kaeza
17:51	microcarrot	2 bad things
17:51	* sfan5	meows at exio4
17:52	* john_minetest	gives sfan5 a <'(((-<
17:52	microcarrot	i've got an iphone 3g so armv7 is a no, and it sucks its broken
17:52	sfan5	3g is armv6 right
17:52	microcarrot	yep
17:52	* rubberduck	quacks at john_minetest
17:52	sfan5	IIRC there was an ffmpeg somewhere in a different repo
17:53	* john_minetest	gives rubberduck a bit of old bread.
17:53	* PenguinDad	looks at his Samsung Galaxy S3
17:53	microcarrot	I will look around
17:53	* rubberduck	likes to get feeded my john_minetest
17:54	Sokomine	OldCoder: you ought to take redcrab_game and expand on it only where needed. the wool mod for example was difficult to find, and other mods may not work in newer versions either. updating moreblocks and/or homedecor might be a bit critcial. as for (2), even your servers will eventually disappear. all only a matter of time, sadly. our goal ought to be to prolong the server's life - whereever it's hosted. when there's no chance of re
17:54	microcarrot	oh
17:54	OldCoder	Reviewing
17:54	microcarrot	i'm dumb
17:54	microcarrot	Cycorder comes with ffmpeg
17:54	Sokomine	OldCoder: as to the unknown blocks: are you sure they're not more cyan wool? i'll check...port?
17:54	microcarrot	which means I already have it
17:55	OldCoder	Sokomine, (1) we are aware of the update problems (2) not following, RedCrab is erratic or dead (3) check with Vanessa re wool. server is minetest.org 30019
17:55	OldCoder	Sokomine, hang on, let me grant you all there
17:55	Calinou	RedCrab still exists? :/
17:55	OldCoder	Calinou, ?
17:55	Calinou	the 2 year old server
17:55	OldCoder	Calinou, RedCrab is down for a week. I am now running SilverCrab.
17:55	Sokomine	OldCoder: in order to run on a server, it's vital to keep the protections as well. that ought to be possible - at least to a degree. shadowninja said his areas mod is compatible. at least an old version of the old node_ownership savedata ought to exist
17:56	OldCoder	Sokomine, JayKeePoo plans to restore the protections
17:56	Sokomine	Calinou: it existed for a very long while. ran over a year without any sight of redcrab
17:56	Sokomine	Calinou: lately i did an error - ran rollback_check after finding a griefing :-(( server didn't come back. not even the next day as it used to
17:57	OldCoder	Sokomine, kindly join so that I can op you
17:57	Calinou	most servers have way overdone protections
17:57	Sokomine	OldCoder: what base does he have in mind?
17:57	Sokomine	sec
17:57	OldCoder	Sokomine, he will read the creators apparently
17:57	OldCoder	He found something by you last night for example
17:57	* microcarrot	notes that cats have iphones
17:57	OldCoder	cats knawing rodent bones
17:57	OldCoder	cats calling friends on iPhones
17:58	OldCoder	gnawing *
17:58	microcarrot	lol
17:58	microcarrot	OldCoder: you are great :D
17:58	OldCoder	great is my humble fate
17:59	OldCoder	Sokomine, comments on physics are requested. People say that run and fly are too slow here.
17:59	Sokomine	OldCoder: we have that list. please also note that another known moderator (apart from cactuz_pl) is Erthome
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17:59	Sokomine	i'll see
17:59	OldCoder	Sokomine, he is welcome to join
17:59	OldCoder	Sokomine, I figure that we'll do a little more research
18:00	OldCoder	Then revert and ask people to worldedit the unknown blocks
18:00	OldCoder	Sokomine, see the unknown blocks under spawn
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18:01	Sokomine	OldCoder: guess it's the aforementioned cyan wool
18:01	OldCoder	So, need to worldedit the blocks
18:01	Sokomine	hmm. worldedit is not a good solution to that problem
18:01	OldCoder	What about physics?
18:01	OldCoder	Should I simply mass delete them?
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18:02	Sokomine	don't know about jumping. it's hard to tell about physics from a short test. perhaps something was changed there...
18:02	OldCoder	Is there a conf setting?
18:03	Sokomine	are you using a diffrent game base or config file?
18:03	Sokomine	(regarding the fast aspect)
18:03	OldCoder	I don't have the original conf
18:03	Sokomine	that one from landrush might be a bad choice in that regard
18:03	OldCoder	So I'm using the same as most of my worlds
18:03	OldCoder	Well, suggest changes
18:04	Sokomine	don't use landrush's player physics as a sample for any other world. default player physics ought to be fine for redcrabs server ought to be fine i think
18:04	OldCoder	What settings?
18:04	OldCoder	What settings do I need to remove?
18:04	OldCoder	I will post the conf. Wait.
18:04	Sokomine	hmm. did i forget to add the cobble texture? or os a texture pack of mine (not that i'm willingly using any?) overriding?
18:05	OldCoder	http://minetest.org/silverconf.txt
18:05	OldCoder	^ the conf
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18:06	microcarrot	can anyone make me a texture for a block?
18:08	rubberduck	i made textures for different ores, default and mods, license included, platen-software.de/sebastian/minetest/mt_new_textures_1.tar.gz
18:08	rubberduck	platen-software.de/sebastian/minetest/mt_new_textures_1.tar.gz
18:08	rubberduck	oops
18:08	rubberduck	http://platen-software.de/sebastian/minetest/mt_new_textures_1.tar.gz
18:13	microcarrot	rubberduck: anything purple in there?
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18:14	rubberduck	why purple?
18:14	rubberduck	are mostly ores
18:14	microcarrot	rubberduck: because https://github.com/realtinymonster/moontest/blob/master/mods/moontest/textures/moontest_mineral_lunarium.png
18:14	rubberduck	better ore textures, default they have all the same shape
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18:15	rubberduck	i can make one
18:15	microcarrot	I need a solid block texture
18:20	Megaf	Quake III on a raspberry pi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88IHndVS_8Q
18:20	Megaf	!title
18:20	MinetestBot	Megaf: Quake 3 - Raspberry Pi (with sound) - YouTube
18:20	microcarrot	seen it
18:20	kilbith	\o/
18:21	rubberduck	i work on a block texture, uploading soon here
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18:21	microcarrot	rubberduck: #moontest
18:23	rubenwardy	!tell iqualfragile got a traceback of the error on mmdb: https://bitbucket.org/iqualfragile/mmdb/issue/25/some-broken-things-with-log-in-system
18:23	MinetestBot	rubenwardy: I'll pass that on when iqualfragile is around
18:28	cities	texture packs are disappointing
18:28	microcarrot	yep
18:28	sfan5	cities: then make better ones
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18:28	cities	Its like theres so many mods the packs can't account for them all
18:28	cities	sfan5: No
18:29	kaeza	the same happens in MC
18:29	cities	yeah it does if you play modded MC
18:29	kaeza	texture packs are not future proof
18:29	microcarrot	exactly
18:29	cities	if you don't play modded MC you've got a good chance of finding some that will at least be good til the next update
18:30	kaeza	same with MT
18:30	cities	but since you pretty much depend on mods for MT
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18:30	cities	it would be kind of hard
18:30	cities	to support them all
18:30	microcarrot	that is gitpack's goal
18:30	kaeza	if you play an unmodded server, it's highly likely the texture pack supports everythng
18:30	kaeza	+i
18:30	cities	is gitpack yours microcarrot
18:31	microcarrot	yep
18:31	cities	cool
18:31	cities	kaeza: what do you get with an unmodded server though
18:31	kaeza	cities, the most complete packs so far are probably HDX and Misa(?)
18:31	microcarrot	http://github.com/realtinymonster/gitpack-minetest
18:31	cities	ohh its you :)
18:31	cities	I didn't know
18:31	cities	Reality Monster
18:31	zlsa	real tiny monster
18:32	cities	I know I'm just messing around
18:32	kaeza	fake giant pony?
18:32	cities	microcarrot: do you have a screenshot with it running
18:32	kaeza	<_<
18:33	microcarrot	yeah
18:33	microcarrot	somewhere on the forums
18:33	microcarrot	XD
18:33	cities	k
18:34	cities	ill check it out sometime
18:34	cities	sfan5: I'm not complaining about the artists
18:34	cities	they are great
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18:36	oOChainLynxOo	Blaxar
18:36	oOChainLynxOo	Wadya doin here
18:36	* sfan5	meows at oOChainLynxOo
18:36	* oOChainLynxOo	mewos at sfan5
18:36	* sfan5	cats
18:36	oOChainLynxOo	Cats rule
18:36	* Jordach	has a copy of Super Smash Bros on 3DS
18:37	oOChainLynxOo	O_O
18:37	oOChainLynxOo	Is it good
18:37	Jordach	yesh
18:37	cities	nothing makes me happier than bailbondsman soundboards on youtube
18:37	oOChainLynxOo	:D
18:38	shadowzone	Blaxar isn't here.
18:38	shadowzone	oOChainLynxOo, you hanging around here cause the other #minetest doesn't talk enough about cats?
18:38	cities	wheres the other minetest
18:38	cities	not the dev one
18:39	shadowzone	isis.inchra.net/#minetest
18:39	oOChainLynxOo	No, because OldCoder is working on a Redcrab revival
18:39	shadowzone	Oh.
18:39	OldCoder	oOChainLynxOo, Hi
18:39	oOChainLynxOo	Hi OldCoder
18:39	shadowzone	So you want to be here to see that?
18:39	* shadowzone	runs into a wall
18:39	OldCoder	shadowzone, actually
18:39	OldCoder	shadowzone, he may help to run the new crabzone
18:39	shadowzone	Leik seriously why am I trying to learn how to use html?
18:40	shadowzone	OldCoder, cool.
18:40	shadowzone	oOChainLynxOo, good luck
18:40	OldCoder	oOChainLynxOo, Sokomine is considering the unknown blocks
18:40	oOChainLynxOo	Thank you shadowzone
18:40	oOChainLynxOo	Oh yes, Sokomine will be a good help
18:40	OldCoder	We'll hold off on finalizing the world until we have a decision on those
18:40	cities	shadowzone:  minetest. ru?
18:40	OldCoder	oOChainLynxOo, here is the current conf
18:40	shadowzone	No.
18:40	OldCoder	http://minetest.org/shadowconf.txt
18:40	OldCoder	Suggest physics changes if necessary
18:40	shadowzone	shadowconf.txt?
18:41	shadowzone	I already have a server.  XD
18:41	OldCoder	Oops
18:41	OldCoder	http://minetest.org/silverconf.txt
18:41	OldCoder	^ correction
18:41	OldCoder	oOChainLynxOo, ^
18:41	* shadowzone	tries to read that
18:41	cities	shadowzone:  is isis.inchra.net an irc server?
18:41	shadowzone	Yes it is.
18:41	cities	Ive never seen one start with isis
18:42	shadowzone	Neither have I but everything needs something that is different.
18:42	Calinou	microcarrot, for textures give http://neotextureedit.sourceforge.net/ a try :P
18:42	shadowzone	Are we making Minetest look real life?
18:42	cities	hmm my text turned grey for some reason
18:42	cities	there we go
18:43	shadowzone	then /join #minetest
18:43	PenguinDad	cities: Inchra uses ancient egyptian gods as server naming scheme
18:43	cities	ohh nice
18:43	shadowzone	o.O
18:43	shadowzone	Huh?
18:43	cities	I'm a huge fan of ancient egyption gods..
18:44	* oOChainLynxOo	is reviewing the conf
18:44	shadowzone	I used to be.
18:44	shadowzone	Then I became a nerd and now it's reviving ancient egyptian computers.
18:45	cities	thats ambtious and great of you
18:45	shadowzone	It's fun.
18:45	shadowzone	But have you gotten into isis.inchra.net?
18:45	cities	oh I wasn't trying
18:45	shadowzone	Oh.
18:46	cities	ircloud limits me to two connections
18:46	shadowzone	Oh.
18:46	shadowzone	You should get hexchat.
18:46	cities	why Im using it I don't know
18:46	shadowzone	It works much better.
18:46	microcarrot	Daniel Ingram - Let The Rainbow Remind You only came out like a few days ago, yet there are already remixes
18:46	oOChainLynxOo	OldCoder try bumping movement_speed_fast from 7 to 4, let's try that
18:46	microcarrot	such fast
18:47	OldCoder	Very well
18:47	shadowzone	http://hexchat.github.io/
18:47	OldCoder	movement_acceleration_air = 2
18:47	cities	I can't use that unless theres a server that lets you use SSL and they have that set up
18:47	cities	(hexchat)
18:47	cities	looks nice though
18:47	cities	its that a portable app
18:47	cities	I downloaded pchat which was some fork of xchat
18:47	cities	but portable
18:47	OldCoder	What about that one?
18:47	OldCoder	HexChat has a portable install mode
18:47	OldCoder	It is also fully free FOSS
18:47	cities	nice
18:48	shadowzone	hexchat works without ssl.
18:48	OldCoder	Recommended
18:48	OldCoder	With and without
18:48	OldCoder	It is the new XChat
18:48	cities	so whats this PChat that I downloaded
18:48	cities	some other fork
18:48	OldCoder	Not familiar with it
18:48	OldCoder	HexChat is the one to use
18:48	shadowzone	probably crap.
18:48	shadowzone	if you can only hook up to 2 networks.
18:48	cities	probably.
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18:48	* OldCoder	can't say
18:48	cities	shadowzone: its because im not paying
18:49	shadowzone	hexchat is free.
18:49	cities	this is temporary til I get shell access again
18:49	cities	and Ill be back to my beloved irssi
18:49	shadowzone	if you know how to compile.
18:49	shadowzone	XD
18:49	cities	oh irssi
18:49	cities	I miss you irssi
18:49	OldCoder	I sigh for Irssi
18:49	oOChainLynxOo	We'll test movement_air after testing movement_speed_fast
18:50	OldCoder	oOChainLynxOo, change is made, will restart when Sokomine is done
18:50	cities	I would love hexchat but
18:50	oOChainLynxOo	Ok
18:50	cities	I need something 24/7
18:50	OldCoder	znc?
18:50	cities	OldCoder: nothing to run it off of righ tnow
18:50	cities	im looking for a free shell account after work
18:50	OldCoder	Very well
18:51	cities	im boring everyone to death with this but I had a friend who gave me an account
18:51	cities	we traded expletives
18:51	cities	and now I'm not longer on it
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18:51	* sfan5	meows at cities
18:51	cities	Trading expletives is not good to do to the person who gives you access
18:52	microcarrot	cities: lessonm learned, am I right?
18:52	cities	Nah I'd do it again in a heartbeat
18:52	cities	haha
18:52	shadowzone	XD
18:53	PenguinDad	<3 https://soundcloud.com/robgassermusic/sets/get-mad-cloudhead-records
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18:53	Niebieski	Hey guys, I'm using linux mint and I installed the game but I can't create any world.
18:53	cities	this friend found out I was leaving their little channel.He was like why am I still even giving you access if you're just using me
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18:53	kaeza	Niebieski, what is the error?
18:53	cities	I said  don't know, turn it off. Don't give two shits
18:54	OldCoder	CWz, Moin
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18:54	shadowzone	Hi CWz.
18:54	Niebieski	kaeza: I don't get any error but when I click on create nothing happens.
18:54	hny	lol
18:54	hny	funny stuff
18:55	OldCoder	oOChainLynxOo, try speed now
18:55	CWz	it's nighttime here soon sleep will be upon me
18:55	hny	<wdwhn> I have the shortest nick -.- <wdwhn> And you have the shortest dick
18:55	hny	XD
18:56	OldCoder	Shall we hear from you, Catesby, ere we sleep?
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18:56	oOChainLynxOo	Hmm
18:56	oOChainLynxOo	That made it default speed
18:57	oOChainLynxOo	Try bumping it to 10
18:57	kaeza	Niebieski, do you have any sub-games installed? (in /usr/share/minetest/games or ~/.minetest/games)
18:57	kaeza	(or maybe /usr/share/games/minetest/games)
18:57	oOChainLynxOo	OldCoder ^
18:57	OldCoder	oOChainLynxOo, just did
18:57	Calinou	Niebieski, do you have permissions to access the directory where worlds are made?
18:57	OldCoder	oOChainLynxOo, you can use set -n to change it yourself
18:58	Calinou	if your build is run-in-place
18:58	Calinou	(if you installed through a package, your build isn't run-in-place)
18:58	shadowzone	How are you guys playing together?
18:59	oOChainLynxOo	shadowzone: minetest.org 30019
19:00	Calinou	oOChainLynxOo, there's a mod for setting speed while playing, with a privilege
19:00	Calinou	has /speed, /jump and /gravity commands
19:02	Niebieski	kaeza: I have minetest-mapper in usr/games.
19:02	OldCoder	So snack
19:02	CWz	Calinou: is there a link
19:02	* CookieEaterDoge	barks
19:02	OldCoder	Very tasty
19:02	oOChainLynxOo	Calinou, OldCoder already told me about the set -n
19:04	kaeza	Niebieski, do this: go to ~/.minetest, delete `debug.txt`, re-run the game, and as soon as you click the "Create world" button, check `debug.txt` again and see if there's any error
19:04	Niebieski	kaeza: Yes there are sub-games in ~/minetest/games
19:05	cities	some develop a legitimate iOS version for minetest, why should android users get all the fun
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19:05	MinetestBot	iqualfragile: 10-03 18:23 UTC <rubenwardy> got a traceback of the error on mmdb: https://bitbucket.org/iqualfragile/mmdb/issue/25/some-broken-things-with-log-in-system
19:06	kaeza	cities, gib irr 4 ios pl0x
19:06	rubenwardy	ignore that
19:06	rubenwardy	Trace back for another problem
19:06	cities	im sorry what
19:06	rubenwardy	Talking to iqualfragile
19:06	cities	I was talking to kaeza
19:06	kaeza	does irrlicht support iOS?
19:06	rubenwardy	ah, ok
19:06	realtinymonster	yes
19:06	PenguinDad	kaeza: yes it does
19:06	realtinymonster	i think
19:06	iqualfragile	rubenwardy: i got a traceback for both errors
19:07	iqualfragile	from x yz
19:07	iqualfragile	but i currently can't work on it, still on hollydays
19:07	rubenwardy	Can you pass them to me?
19:07	realtinymonster	iqualfragile: why you put a space?
19:07	kaeza	oh, then submit a patch to build it
19:07	rubenwardy	Stop pinging
19:07	rubenwardy	I guess
19:07	iqualfragile	yep
19:07	iqualfragile	im talking about not to, so why would i ping
19:07	kaeza	also, don't you need a jailbroken phone or a dev license or something on iOS?
19:08	cities	why can't it go through apple app store
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19:09	cities	there are a couple of apps there
19:09	cities	that will connect to minetest servers
19:09	cities	they are....not good
19:10	Niebieski	kaeza: I can't find 'debug.txt'.
19:10	kaeza	huh
19:10	Sokomine	OldCoder: http://pastebin.com/gCsB1ei9  is the abm that will convert the unkown nodes to cyan wool. the moreblocks...hm...perhaps we can get calinou to figure out the correct version of moreblocks :-)
19:10	iqualfragile	sfan5: don't you have a windows installation?
19:11	sfan5	iqualfragile: which one? windows 7 or windows 10?
19:11	rubenwardy	Windows 10? D:
19:11	sfan5	yes
19:11	iqualfragile	sfan5: any, just where does minetest save its debug.txt
19:11	kaeza	Niebieski, it may be in ~/, or in the cwd where you started (if started from the command line)
19:11	sfan5	iqualfragile: bin/
19:12	sfan5	rubenwardy: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/p4J2aF1i-ybl.png
19:12	iqualfragile	Niebieski: ^
19:12	rubenwardy	What happened to Windows 9?
19:12	sfan5	there is none
19:12	kaeza	Linux ate it
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19:13	Nerotic	II can answer that
19:13	Nerotic	*I
19:13	Nerotic	Windows 7 8 9
19:13	Nerotic	Read it out loud, it explains why it isnt Windows 9
19:13	Niebieski	kaeza: My system partition doesn't have free space, maybe this is the problem ?
19:13	Nerotic	lol
19:13	kaeza	·_·
19:13	Niebieski	kaeza: I keep delete stuff but it keep saying that there is no free space.
19:14	rubenwardy	The start menu for Windows 10 - the 'live tiles' look like Adverts
19:14	rubenwardy	as in clutter
19:14	Nerotic	uh
19:14	Nerotic	yea
19:14	PenguinDad	Nerotic: I don't get it
19:14	Nerotic	Windows 7 ate 9, 8 is the ate
19:14	Nerotic	Like the "Why is 8 afraid of 7? cuz 7 8 9"
19:14	Niebieski	Guys Google why there are no Windows 9...
19:15	PenguinDad	284me
19:15	Nerotic	lol guys
19:15	Nerotic	its actually because of windows 95 and 98
19:15	Nerotic	too similar
19:15	rubenwardy	Because it was too big a leap.
19:15	Nerotic	lolno
19:15	kaeza	because MS counts in base 9? <_<
19:15	cities	because its weird
19:16	rubenwardy	Let's not bully MS about skipping a version, Minetest did it too. See 0.4.2 (or don't)
19:16	PenguinDad	Base 9 :D
19:16	oOChainLynxOo	LOL
19:16	cities	I said something about it in  here and someone said the name doesn't matter
19:16	cities	maybe that was some other channel
19:18	Sokomine	perhaps there was a secret 0.4.1 around somewhere :-)
19:18	cities	someone told me microsoft indonesia promised free windows 9
19:18	Nerotic	lol
19:18	rubenwardy	It really annoys me when people say "Intrest[/ed/ing]"
19:18	oOChainLynxOo	Oh, hi Sokomine
19:18	Sokomine	hi chainlynx
19:18	* Jordach	is interested why rubenwardy is like that >:D
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19:19	MinetestBot	hisforever: 10-03 01:51 UTC <Fritigern> If you just want to build, mine and farm, you'd be better off finding a game without mobs.
19:19	Niebieski	I'm BRB.
19:19	FreeFull	rubenwardy: Slackware skipped versions too
19:19	rubenwardy	^ that's how it should be (Jordach)
19:19	rubenwardy	not intrested
19:19	rubenwardy	:(
19:19	rubenwardy	Oh well
19:19	hisforever	Hi everyone its great to be here
19:19	Sokomine	Calinou: it seems the version i did choose for redcrab_game is not perfect. it misses some nodes. do you have any idea what might be done? afaik newer versions changed too much (especially some textures)
19:19	FreeFull	It went straight from 10.0 to 13.1
19:19	PenguinDad	rubenwardy: but what if my int rested?
19:20	cities	hi hisforever !
19:20	cities	it is great to be here
19:20	rubenwardy	hmmm. What would that mean? An integer data type is not used for a while?
19:20	kaeza	your a funny guy
19:20	* kaeza	hides
19:21	PenguinDad	rubenwardy: It's just a bad bad pun
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19:21	hisforever	Hi cities how are you?
19:22	cities	wondeful
19:22	cities	how are you
19:22	rubenwardy	kaeza, that's even worse :(
19:22	hisforever	grrr can't seem to change font color
19:22	hisforever	I'm great ty
19:22	rubenwardy	hisforever, ctrl+k?
19:22	rubenwardy	4Hello!
19:23	rubenwardy	Oh, you probably mean ingame :S
19:23	oOChainLynxOo	Nice red text
19:23	PenguinDad	I heard you like font colors
19:23	hisforever
19:23	oOChainLynxOo	Lol
19:23	rubenwardy	ctrl+k, and number (4 is red), and then type the text :P
19:23	hisforever	yes lol
19:23	MinetestBot	4Eve7n I8 do3 rainb6ows! <4​3
19:23	Nerotic	lol
19:23	hisforever	ty thats great
19:23	rubenwardy	3What?
19:24	Nerotic	wtf is this sht xD
19:24	hisforever	so I have to hit ctrl k everytine
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19:24	oOChainLynxOo	4 Durka
19:24	oOChainLynxOo	LO
19:24	oOChainLynxOo	LOL*
19:24	rubenwardy	Yeah, hisforever. I checked your client supported t.
19:25	realtinymonster	Purple, scrubs
19:25	niebieski	kaeza: I just restarted and it worked fine, sorry for bothering you. :)
19:25	oOChainLynxOo	2Sacre bleu
19:25	rubenwardy	Bye all!
19:25	hisforever	ty Rubenwardy :)
19:25	rubenwardy	(gtg)
19:25	oOChainLynxOo	Bye rubenwardy
19:25	Nerotic	Anyone here actually get Windows 10 preview?
19:25	Nerotic	I did.
19:25	oOChainLynxOo	Microchip did
19:25	kaeza	niebieski, no problem. glad you made it work :)
19:26	sfan5	Nerotic: me
19:26	Nerotic	sfan5, nice isnt it?
19:26	sfan5	yes
19:26	sfan5	UI looks nicer than in 8
19:26	Nerotic	its sweet.
19:26	Nerotic	of course
19:26	Nerotic	windows 7 + 8 = windows 10
19:27	realtinymonster	WAIT
19:27	hisforever	I'm using dreambuliders game but can't get Animals to work. I have then actavites too?
19:27	realtinymonster	windows 10 preview is out?
19:27	Nerotic	yea
19:27	* realtinymonster	dislikes living under a rock
19:27	sfan5	!g windows 10 tp download
19:27	MinetestBot	sfan5: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-iso
19:27	sfan5	^ realtinymonster
19:28	niebieski	So guys I want Minetest to be as similar as possible to Minecraft, which mods I have to install ?
19:28	sfan5	niebieski: tried Carbone
19:28	sfan5	?
19:28	niebieski	No, I didn't try any mod yet, I'm new.
19:28	hisforever	I will not go back to windows for anybodt don't like the resource hog lol
19:29	sfan5	who talked about going back to windows?
19:29	cities	Ballmer
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19:30	* PenguinDad	wonders how big the windows 10 iso is
19:30	zat	is it possible to change tiles of a node without changing the node itself?
19:30	sfan5	no
19:31	sfan5	PenguinDad: 3,9GWindowsTechnicalPreview-x64-EN-US.iso
19:31	zat	no to me or someone else?
19:31	Nerotic	to me
19:31	Nerotic	jk
19:31	PenguinDad	impossible to download for me \o/
19:31	zat	no to me or someone else to who answered or someone else?
19:31	sfan5	zat: "no" to you
19:32	zat	no to me or someone else to who answered or someone else to sfan5 or someone else?
19:32	realtinymonster	AGH
19:32	realtinymonster	fuck m$
19:32	realtinymonster	they all "Sorry…
19:32	realtinymonster	Your Microsoft account says you’re under 18 years old. You have to be an adult to join the Windows Insider Program."
19:32	hisforever	I'll be setting in here and building a house
19:33	* realtinymonster	realizes that its time to make a new m$ account
19:33	niebieski	So with this preview version I would be using Windows legally ?
19:34	realtinymonster	yep
19:34	sfan5	realtinymonster: you can download it w/o creating an account
19:34	cities	im getting windows 9 from indonesia
19:34	realtinymonster	really?
19:34	sfan5	niebieski: yes, version expires april 15th though
19:34	sfan5	just click on a download link
19:34	realtinymonster	https://insider.windows.com/
19:35	realtinymonster	oh
19:35	realtinymonster	lol
19:38	realtinymonster	hmm
19:38	realtinymonster	I'd like to have something like this
19:39	realtinymonster	and the system requirements are pretty low
19:39	realtinymonster	Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster
19:39	realtinymonster	RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) (32-bit) or 2 GB (64-bit)
19:39	realtinymonster	Free hard disk space: 16 GB
19:39	realtinymonster	Graphics card: Microsoft DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM driver
19:39	realtinymonster	A Microsoft account and Internet access
19:40	realtinymonster	well
19:40	realtinymonster	i'm gonna go VM this son of a gun
19:40	* realtinymonster	lauches qemu
19:42	OldCoder	Sokomine, shall I run that now?
19:43	OldCoder	http://pastebin.com/gCsB1ei9
19:43	OldCoder	People, what shall I do with this?
19:43	OldCoder	oOChainLynxOo, VanessaE ?
19:43	OldCoder	Where does that go?
19:43	oOChainLynxOo	I really don't know. I never got this technical
19:43	OldCoder	Hm. sfan5 ? kaeza ?
19:44	Nerotic	bbl
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19:44	OldCoder	oOChainLynxOo, I'm going to try it shortly
19:45	oOChainLynxOo	Ok
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19:45	OldCoder	We're about to possibly start the actual world
19:46	SylvieLorxu	>A Microsoft account
19:46	SylvieLorxu	>Internet access
19:46	SylvieLorxu	Those are ridiculous system requirements, especially the first one
19:47	Miner_48er	OldCoder create a folder in mods and add that code to an init.lua file in it then enable it
19:47	OldCoder	Just did
19:47	OldCoder	One other thing
19:47	OldCoder	moreblocks:stair_stonebrick
19:47	OldCoder	Will somebody help to find that?
19:47	OldCoder	BTW enable it? Just adding it should work, right?
19:49	Miner_48er	depends on the version and which mods dir your using
19:49	OldCoder	Enable how?
19:49	Nerotic	Anyone know of a really awesome fork besides WOTT?
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19:49	PenguinDad	WOOT?
19:49	PenguinDad	*WOTT
19:50	Nerotic	World of the Test.
19:51	PenguinDad	I only know lord of the test
19:51	Nerotic	Freeminer, Voxel, Carbone, those are the ones ive tried
19:51	Nerotic	and wott
19:52	Miner_48er	OldCoder ~/minetest/worlds/world's name/world.mt
19:52	OldCoder	Hm? It's enabled by defualt
19:52	OldCoder	* default
19:52	OldCoder	Preparing to restart
19:52	OldCoder	<OldCoder> One other thing
19:52	OldCoder	<OldCoder> moreblocks:stair_stonebrick
19:52	OldCoder	<OldCoder> Will somebody help to find that?
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19:53	oOChainLynxOo	Very well
19:53	oOChainLynxOo	Nerotic: For a good fork, try BFD by Jordach
19:54	Nerotic	Okay thanks
19:54	CWz	BFD is not fork
19:54	CWz	it a minetest subgame
19:54	oOChainLynxOo	subgame?
19:54	PenguinDad	BFD kills my eyes
19:54	oOChainLynxOo	That's right
19:54	shadowzone	Let me know when it's back up.
19:54	CWz	freeminer is fork
19:54	oOChainLynxOo	Freeminer's a good fork
19:54	exio4	it ain't that good
19:55	oOChainLynxOo	Well it's good, but not amazing
19:56	Sokomine	OldCoder: you can run the abm. it ought to work and convert those unkown nodes that are wool into it
19:56	oOChainLynxOo	What about Voxelands
19:57	Nerotic	as i said "voxel"
19:57	oOChainLynxOo	Sorry, didn't see that
19:57	Nerotic	ok
19:57	PenguinDad	Voxelands runs slower than Minetest for me
19:58	Nerotic	not for me
19:58	Nerotic	much faster for m3
19:59	oOChainLynxOo	http://minetest.weebly.com/minetest-forks.html
19:59	kaeza	voxelands has its pros and cons. for example, it may be faster than minetest, but it lacks moddability
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19:59	OldCoder	<OldCoder> <OldCoder> One other thing
19:59	oOChainLynxOo	Modability is crucial in Minetest
19:59	OldCoder	<OldCoder> <OldCoder> moreblocks:stair_stonebrick
19:59	OldCoder	<OldCoder> <OldCoder> Will somebody help to find that?
19:59	oOChainLynxOo	Very well, OldCoder
20:00	OldCoder	Well, I suppose we'll need to fix that later. SilverCrab is now live. oOChainLynxOo VanessaE others feel free to worldedit repairs.
20:01	Miner_48er	OldCoder code and texture http://cornernote.net/minetest/guide/modulator/item.php?name=moreblocks:stair_stonebrick
20:01	oOChainLynxOo	Ah yes
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20:09	CWz	Voxellands is minetest-classic oOChainLynxOo
20:09	oOChainLynxOo	Yup
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20:25	Calinou	Sokomine, I don't have More Blocks versions earlier than July 2013
20:25	Calinou	<oOChainLynxOo> Freeminer's a good fork
20:25	Calinou	slow, unstable, glitchy
20:25	Calinou	:/
20:25	Calinou	but has colour codes, unlike Minetest…
20:25	oOChainLynxOo	True
20:26	oOChainLynxOo	OldCoder: I need you for a moment over at Silvercrab
20:26	Calinou	because the pull request that is made for color codes here will look like a pizza slice left in fridge for 2 weeks
20:26	oOChainLynxOo	Lol
20:26	Calinou	“rebase needed”, which means it's useless
20:26	Calinou	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1636#issuecomment-57781853
20:26	OldCoder	oOChainLynxOo, kk I am here and there
20:29	oOChainLynxOo	Sokomine, we need help on protecting
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20:36	proller	Calinou, under linux now stable
20:36	Calinou	but lower FPS, more stuttering…
20:37	proller	fmp maybe lower, but it more stable
20:37	proller	try rotate in mt and fm
20:38	proller	also fm playable with 100000 loaded blocks in viewrange
20:38	proller	and fixing in progress
20:40	PenguinDad	proller: fps is less stable in freeminer
20:42	Amaz	↑
20:43	Amaz	But having said that freeminer has improved a lot in the last 6 months.
20:43	Amaz	I can now play it, for a start :P
20:44	proller	please report os, version when it "slow"
20:45	Amaz	Derivative of Ubuntu 14:04, fairly recent dev version.
20:46	Amaz	And I can't compile the next branch :(
20:46	proller	now merging in progress
20:46	PenguinDad	Debian Jessie latest dev version
20:47	proller	maybe  more_threads=0 will bit help
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20:49	Calinou	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/JDu-i4V8_EFQ.png
20:49	Calinou	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/9AGcsjoLU_tH.png
20:50	proller	wow! new feature ;)
20:51	PenguinDad	proller: it is much faster with more_threads = false
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20:53	proller	unsuccessful experiment
20:54	proller	also can try compile with cmake . -DDISABLE_THREADS=1
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21:07	Jordach	i heard proller was trolling again
21:07	Jordach	why the fuck has he not been banned yet
21:09	Nerotic	?
21:09	Nerotic	isnt proller like a core dev?
21:10	Nerotic	ah
21:10	Jordach	fail*
21:11	Jordach	not really a fork more of a how many patches can we make to stop a leaky bucket being leaky by design
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21:15	iqualfragile	hi shadowzone
21:16	shadowzone	Hi iqualfragile.
21:16	iqualfragile	have you been to a disco or why were you offline?
21:16	shadowzone	I had to go do chores.
21:16	shadowzone	I'm only 12.
21:17	iqualfragile	so?
21:17	shadowzone	My mom made me do my chors/
21:17	shadowzone	*chores
21:18	proller	Jordach, you need to eat anti-butthurt drug, or your chair will be fired
21:18	Jordach	proller, try memory foam
21:18	iqualfragile	proller: is freeminer even still alive?
21:18	proller	iqualfragile, yes.
21:18	iqualfragile	shadowzone: you should run away from home
21:18	shadowzone	Nope.
21:18	iqualfragile	proller: what are the main differences to minetest these days? iirc one of the main split reasons was the network protocoll?
21:19	iqualfragile	shadowzone: why not?
21:19	shadowzone	I don't want to run away.
21:19	shadowzone	No wi-fi
21:20	proller	iqualfragile, no, network was changed in next branch after fork
21:20	proller	and still not merged to master
21:20	iqualfragile	shadowzone: my van has wifi
21:20	proller	it will be merged after next release
21:20	iqualfragile	sure it will
21:20	iqualfragile	so what is the diff?
21:21	cities	shadowzone: you're going to be very successful
21:21	proller	http://forum.freeminer.org/threads/full-list-of-changes-from-minetest.110/
21:21	shadowzone	huh?
21:21	shadowzone	At What
21:22	cities	If you're 12 then you're really smart
21:22	shadowzone	I am only 12.
21:23	cities	I can't decide if that's a meme or you're really 12
21:23	kaeza	second
21:23	iqualfragile	cities: no, its really 12
21:23	cities	Thats amazing
21:23	iqualfragile	proller: how did you implement wieldlight?
21:23	kaeza	also: "webscale JSON over SSL compute shader locator database" sounds like a nice project
21:24	iqualfragile	kaeza: wtf does it do?
21:24	kaeza	iqualfragile, http://bullshit.srsfckn.biz/
21:24	proller	iqualfragile, it was not my feature
21:24	iqualfragile	proller: how did you guys implement wieldlight?
21:24	iqualfragile	extensible extended pipelining frontend provider
21:24	iqualfragile	that even makes sense
21:25	proller	btw now mese tools have small light, very useful ;)
21:26	iqualfragile	problem with wieldlight is that you always forget to place torches
21:26	proller	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/816
21:27	proller	john_minetest, 525 files changed, 97540 insertions(+), 58515 deletions(-)
21:28	proller	its not only minimap.
21:28	cities	I tried freeminer and only one public server came up
21:29	proller	cities, wich version?
21:29	iqualfragile	john_minetest: now it gives a disadvantage to everybody
21:29	iqualfragile	also realistically the amount of people playing without shaders is below 2 percent
21:29	cities	I dunno I just downloaded it maybe sometime last week
21:29	proller	first main problem was too laggy server, and it near solved
21:29	cities	I love sandbox games
21:30	proller	cities, download windows version?
21:30	proller	win toooooo old
21:30	cities	Yes windows
21:30	iqualfragile	john_minetest: why do we advertise that minetest runs on _that_ old hardware
21:31	proller	old hardware == new mobiles
21:31	iqualfragile	and how old has your hardware to be that no shaders are supported
21:31	iqualfragile	i think its a fight for nobody
21:31	Calinou	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1711
21:31	Calinou	very cool
21:31	PenguinDad	iqualfragile: ask Krock :P
21:31	proller	also minetest is not fast
21:31	cities	So the windows one doesn't get updated
21:32	PenguinDad	^ Minetest as a Movie :D
21:32	proller	cities, now need to find/fix some bugs and build/test on windows for next release
21:32	cities	Ok I'll try it out
21:33	cities	Is there some kind of rivalry between the two?
21:33	proller	fm always have all latest mt changes ;)
21:36	Calinou	http://wiki.geany.org/themes/start
21:36	Calinou	this is actually a DokuWiki and not MediaWiki :o
21:36	Calinou	it took me several minutes to realize
21:36	Calinou	john_minetest, try watching a 48 fps movie and see
21:36	Calinou	you're unlikely to like it
21:37	PenguinDad	Calinou: just look at the damn favicon.ico ;)
21:37	Calinou	talking about favicons: http://realfavicongenerator.net/
21:38	Jordach	Calinou, i wanna see Avatar 2 at 120fps
21:38	iqualfragile	elfenlied: blut und brüste
21:39	iqualfragile	how the fuck is something like that successfull
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21:52	Jordach	john_minetest, they mean 24fps 720[
21:52	Jordach	720p even
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21:57	PenguinDad	"interactive open-source non-blocking SVG framework" I want this so much xD
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21:58	Jordach	<kaeza> iqualfragile, http://bullshit.srsfckn.biz/
21:59	Jordach	industry-leading generic NoSQL application generator
22:00	Jordach	touché
22:00	Nerotic	Is there a way to make your game require it to be creative only, and no option for survival?
22:00	Nerotic	(working on a fork)
22:00	Jordach	Nerotic, not really, except removing the creative mode check from creative
22:00	Jordach	(the mod)
22:00	Nerotic	So if i do this, itll have to be creative?
22:02	Jordach	the creative mod only runs if creative mode's checkbox is checked from the main menu
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22:02	* Jordach	thinks Failminer needs this: generic framework optimizer
22:05	Nerotic	so, basically, if i remove the check, itll think that its selected automatically, and run it?
22:06	Jordach	yes
22:06	Jordach	!pil Nerotic
22:06	MinetestBot	Nerotic, Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/
22:06	Nerotic	I have a good understanding of lua, dont worry.
22:06	Nerotic	I have to check the dev wiki sometimes though.
22:07	kaeza	Nerotic, you could do if not minetest.setting_get_bool("creative_mode") then error("GTFO") end
22:07	kaeza	s/get_bool/getbool/
22:07	Nerotic	kaeza, in what file...?
22:07	Nerotic	wait
22:07	kaeza	in an individual mod
22:07	Nerotic	ik
22:07	Nerotic	just had a brain fart fck
22:11	Nerotic	damnit that was too easy, how did i not think of that
22:18	MinetestBot	Another satisfied customer. Next!
22:22	Nerotic	Guys.
22:22	Nerotic	At the top of creative/init.lua i did:
22:23	Nerotic	if not minetest.setting_get_bool("creative_mode") then error("Creative only") end
22:23	Nerotic	And i get an error, whats wrong with it?
22:23	kaeza	<kaeza> s/get_bool/getbool/
22:23	Nerotic	wat
22:24	Nerotic	so, minetest.setting.get_bool_getbool?
22:24	kaeza	...
22:24	Nerotic	wait no
22:24	Nerotic	wtf
22:24	kaeza	ftw!
22:25	PenguinDad	FTL!
22:25	kaeza	it's setting_getbool, not setting_get_bool
22:25	Nerotic	OHHH wtf is wrong with me today
22:25	Nerotic	i have never needed help from irc before, but today im just all fucked up. i gotta like take a break for today. im really like, not all there
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22:45	oOChainLynxOo	Sokomine I need help on protecting, I'm on silvercrab right now and need to protect some stuff
22:47	Sokomine	oOChainLynxOo: i'm afraid you'll have to wait a moment. i just compiled the newest version of mt, made an error while integrating the map-saving function, and thus need to wait until the client has built again
22:47	VanessaE	oOChainLynxOo: when I signed onto the initial test, I had a protection block in my hand
22:47	Sokomine	even then, to my knowledge the known areas are not yet installed. i'm not sure how safe it will be
22:47	VanessaE	I placed it and I was granted control over the area I was standing near, but I've no idea just how much area that was or what the boundaries were
22:47	VanessaE	(I didn't even realize it was a protection block)
22:48	Sokomine	VanessaE: there are diffrent types of them. did the block disappear after you placed it?
22:48	VanessaE	fortunately, I was at the front door of my house, so at least I know I own it.
22:48	VanessaE	Sokomine: yes, it did.  it was a dark blue block with light blue edging.
22:48	Sokomine	VanessaE: landrush then
22:49	Sokomine	OldCoder: redcrabs world needs another type of protection. please don't take mods, configs or anything else from the landrush world. they're wastly diffrent, although both attracted good players
22:49	OldCoder	Sokomine, feel free to suggest specific changes
22:49	Sokomine	OldCoder: areas mod by shadowninja
22:50	oOChainLynxOo	Hmm what's the string name for a protection block
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22:50	OldCoder	Sokomine, are you saying to add that or remove that?
22:50	Sokomine	OldCoder: remove landrush protection mod, add areas protection mod. installing the original list of protections is also necessary
22:50	OldCoder	I don't think I have landrush mod
22:51	OldCoder	And feel free to suggest how to get the original list of protections
22:51	OldCoder	I think it will need to be reconstructed
22:51	Sokomine	what vanessae described is the behaviour specific to the landrush mod. it has such landclaim blocks that disappear after placement. could of course be a clone/fork of it
22:51	OldCoder	Which is precisely why waiting to set up this world is inadvisable
22:51	OldCoder	I don't have the landrush mod
22:52	Sokomine	hmm. are you certain? it may be called landclaim or whatever. you have it at least on the landrush server i think
22:52	OldCoder	Wait
22:52	VanessaE	I believe redcrab's server used a variant of the old node_ownership mod, so areas mod should work in its place
22:52	OldCoder	http://minetest.org/silvermods.txt
22:52	OldCoder	There you go, Sokomine
22:52	VanessaE	I believe areas mod can load node_ownership's data table
22:53	OldCoder	The two of you decide and tell me what to do
22:53	VanessaE	As Sokomine said.  Use the areas mod.
22:54	OldCoder	Link?
22:54	VanessaE	https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas
22:54	OldCoder	Direct download link?
22:54	VanessaE	git clone https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas.git
22:54	OldCoder	Wait
22:54	VanessaE	or download, https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas/archive/master.zip
22:54	OldCoder	Moments
22:54	VanessaE	wait?  me?  you're kidding right? ;)
22:55	OldCoder	Do I just run this? No setup needed?
22:55	VanessaE	um..
22:55	* VanessaE	pokes ShadowNinja
22:55	VanessaE	I don't remember if there's any setup needed
22:55	OldCoder	This doesn't seem to do anything
22:55	VanessaE	I know it has some options you can change
22:55	OldCoder	But provide the command to protect
22:55	VanessaE	e.g. there's self-protection for example
22:55	VanessaE	and you can set the limits of that
22:55	OldCoder	Feel free to suggest a config file
22:55	VanessaE	sec
22:56	OldCoder	It doesn't do anything by itself
22:56	VanessaE	areas.self_protection = true
22:56	VanessaE	areas.self_protection_max_size = {x=50, y=100, z=50}
22:56	VanessaE	areas.self_protection_max_areas = 36
22:56	VanessaE	put this in minetest.conf
22:56	VanessaE	you may want to tune the size and area count
22:56	OldCoder	What does that 36 do?
22:56	VanessaE	that's how many areas an individual can claim without an Admin's help
22:57	OldCoder	Will this protect existing areas?
22:57	VanessaE	I used 36 because users are always claiming lots of little areas, e.g. small buildings et al.
22:57	OldCoder	Will this protect existing areas?
22:57	VanessaE	yes, there is a way to load the node_ownership data file
22:57	VanessaE	sec
22:58	VanessaE	ah
22:58	VanessaE	/legacy_load_areas  maybe?
22:58	VanessaE	(after which, I believe it then saves it in its current format and works with the result from there like normal)
22:58	Sokomine	VanessaE: that's right. redcrab had a variant of node_ownership (and his special form of registering). shadowninja wrote his areas mod with redcrabs server in mind and tested conversion of the saved area data with live data from redcrab back then
22:59	VanessaE	/legacy_load_areas   ...or...   /legacy_load_areas 0
22:59	Sokomine	OldCoder: also install my markers mod alongside. that's easier to handle for players
23:00	VanessaE	one of those will read the data file and import its protected zones.
23:00	iqualfragile	shadowzone: why are you in -dev and why does your cloak only work some times?
23:00	OldCoder	Sokomine, one step at a time; first goal is to do basic repairs, second is protect existing areas
23:00	OldCoder	VanessaE, indicate what to do more specifically?
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23:01	shadowzone	I go to devs to read and learn.
23:01	OldCoder	Sokomine is there just now, she is free to do this now
23:01	VanessaE	OldCoder: install that mod, make sure the node_ownership data file is in its usual place, start the server, sign on and do:   /legacy_load_areas
23:01	shadowzone	And I have to do /msg nickserv identify <mypass> for it to work.
23:01	iqualfragile	shadowzone: you should use sasl
23:01	shadowzone	I just did that.
23:01	Sokomine	ah. the cyan wool did convert. that worked fine so far
23:01	OldCoder	VanessaE, make sure what node ownership file is where? I will listen and obey
23:01	VanessaE	OldCoder: then just restart the server and confirm that the protected zones are working.
23:01	OldCoder	VanessaE, make sure what node ownership file is where? I will listen and obey
23:02	iqualfragile	https://www.freenode.net/sasl/sasl-hexchat.shtml
23:02	iqualfragile	ah, good
23:02	VanessaE	OldCoder: the datafile that contains the node_ownership protection entries.  I don't know how you can go about getting that.  *looks at Sokomine*
23:02	OldCoder	There doesn't seem to be one
23:02	Sokomine	need to check if i can still get a copy with the server not running
23:03	OldCoder	What about from 30402 ?
23:03	VanessaE	Sokomine: is there any way... ANY way at all to get a raw copy of the world folder from redcrab?
23:03	VanessaE	OldCoder: what's at 30402?
23:03	OldCoder	An old griefed copy of RedCrab
23:03	VanessaE	ah, probably not then
23:03	OldCoder	The nodes seem to know who planted them
23:04	OldCoder	So, no mod will protect existing nodes?
23:04	VanessaE	OldCoder: only if you have the datafile that contains the protection entries.
23:04	shadowzone	I did that.
23:04	VanessaE	OldCoder: I think areas mod can protect the whole world
23:04	OldCoder	Can recreate from SQL but I lack the time
23:04	OldCoder	Um
23:04	VanessaE	and then you can open up holes to build in
23:04	VanessaE	but that's hacky
23:04	Sokomine	VanessaE: i have no more chances of contacting redcrab and getting a reply than anyone else. perhaps if someone could locate a more promising email adress?
23:05	OldCoder	How is that better than limiting interact?
23:05	VanessaE	OldCoder: well with interact and no protection of existing structures, just anyone could destroy the spawn, etc.
23:05	OldCoder	Well, consider the matter and decide what is best
23:06	VanessaE	OldCoder: until you can obtain the data file, you have no choice but to protect the whole world and whitelist.
23:06	OldCoder	Indicate what to do, then
23:07	OldCoder	I'd prefer to lock down just the core areas
23:07	VanessaE	that's the problem...there aren't any "core" areas on re-- silvercrab
23:07	Sokomine	the data about protection has been obtained. i'm not sure if it can be converted directly, or how the conversion process was intended
23:07	Sokomine	perhaps some editing might be needed
23:07	OldCoder	So, there's no way to protect just the nodes that have owners?
23:07	VanessaE	Sokomine: what have you got?
23:07	VanessaE	OldCoder: they're already protected anyway
23:08	OldCoder	Explain
23:08	VanessaE	OldCoder: only the owner of a node can dig that node.
23:08	VanessaE	that's in the engine
23:08	OldCoder	Um
23:08	OldCoder	Then how does griefing happen?
23:08	VanessaE	oh you mean a whole building.
23:08	VanessaE	sorry, I took that to mean e.g. a locked chest
23:08	OldCoder	Any node
23:09	VanessaE	if an individual node has an owner assigned to it by the mod that created the node, as in the case of a locked chest or any of Home Decor's locked devices, then that node cannot be griefed.
23:09	VanessaE	but that's all
23:09	OldCoder	All right
23:09	VanessaE	anything else is fair game if you don't have a working protection mod
23:09	OldCoder	So we have no simple way to protect current buildings
23:09	VanessaE	Sokomine: what about that data?  what did you get?
23:09	VanessaE	OldCoder: not as yet
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23:11	zat	how can I overlay a texture over another with a specified opacity?
23:11	zat	like: [opacity:50:file
23:11	VanessaE	zat: if it works at all, you have to set the opacity in the overlaid texture using your image editor.
23:11	VanessaE	there isn't a combine operator for that
23:12	VanessaE	I believe it DOES work though
23:12	VanessaE	(it works for cracks anyway)
23:12	zat	VanessaE: yes it works
23:12	zat	but I dont want that
23:12	VanessaE	that's all you can do I think
23:12	Nerotic	wait
23:12	Nerotic	just realized something
23:13	Nerotic	if you used php get statements and made them echo data required for registering nodes, you could make a block maker (mod wise)
23:13	Nerotic	$name_of_block = 'name';
23:13	Sokomine	OldCoder: the nether mod ought to go
23:13	Nerotic	etc. etc.
23:13	VanessaE	Nerotic: sure but how would you get the resultant code into Minetest?
23:14	VanessaE	Sokomine: it's a fake mod
23:14	Sokomine	VanessaE: the list of owned areas, pretty current. not from redcrab directly. he installed a mechanism a while ago so that i can get it automaticly
23:14	VanessaE	that "nether" is a dummy
23:14	Nerotic	VanessaE, save as perhaps, if it was an iframe program, or web based
23:14	VanessaE	Sokomine: AHHH
23:14	VanessaE	Sokomine: complete with coordinates?
23:15	Sokomine	yes
23:15	VanessaE	Sokomine: it should be possible then, to convert that data into something `areas` can import
23:15	* VanessaE	pokes ShadowNinja
23:15	Sokomine	complete with coordinates. i have to figure out how it can be fed to the areas mod. that may require minimal editing
23:16	Sokomine	yes. shadowninja did that in the past, and i'm pretty sure areas can handle it. just need to check the how
23:16	VanessaE	I forsee lots of bash, sed, awk and other shell operations :)
23:18	Sokomine	hmm. perhaps
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23:23	Sokomine	areas has a legacy.lua file that looks promising
23:24	Sokomine	until then: can you find out why the textures on silvercrab are broken? desert sand had the yellowish texture, not the orangeish one, and cobble looks like almost-modern cobble? or do i have a broken texture pack?
23:27	oOChainLynxOo	Hmph
23:27	oOChainLynxOo	I need more help
23:27	oOChainLynxOo	Area's too big to protect
23:27	oOChainLynxOo	Trying to protect the compass and Eiffel Tower
23:28	oOChainLynxOo	Sokomine, VanessaE, what do I do
23:29	oOChainLynxOo	Never mind, figured it out
23:29	Nerotic	isnt chainlynx a youtuber?
23:29	oOChainLynxOo	Yes
23:30	Nerotic	ah i watch you like once a week
23:30	Nerotic	nice videos
23:30	oOChainLynxOo	Thank you :)
23:30	oOChainLynxOo	I try
23:30	Nerotic	It's pretty funny if you ask me.
23:30	Nerotic	Good luck on future videos.
23:30	oOChainLynxOo	Thank you Nerotic
23:30	Nerotic	yep
23:31	Sokomine	oOChainLynxOo: skip it for now. i'm working on the entire areas file
23:32	Sokomine	oOChainLynxOo: if you did build something, er...save it with worldedit for now :-) that might be safest
23:32	oOChainLynxOo	Ok
23:32	oOChainLynxOo	But I already protected things
23:32	oOChainLynxOo	Should I remove them
23:36	Sokomine	that protection will disappear i think. or did you build anything new?
23:36	oOChainLynxOo	Nothing new
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23:37	shadowzone	hey...
23:37	shadowzone	<-- youtuber.
23:38	oOChainLynxOo	LEl
23:38	oOChainLynxOo	Lel*
23:38	oOChainLynxOo	Shadowzone's a YouTuber too
23:38	oOChainLynxOo	She does Minetest video too
23:38	shadowzone	I am?
23:38	shadowzone	Oh yes I am.
23:38	oOChainLynxOo	videos*
23:39	shadowzone	And Red Eclipse and planetside 2 next.
23:39	oOChainLynxOo	:D
23:39	Sokomine	ok. thanks for your effort :-) but it'll be easier with the automatic conversion
23:39	oOChainLynxOo	Ok
23:46	Nerotic	Shadowzone has a youtube?
23:46	Nerotic	wow
23:48	shadowzone	Yep.
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23:51	cities	I been there
23:51	cities	I think I subscribed
23:53	Nerotic	shadowzone, how old are you?
23:53	shadowzone	12 almost 13.
23:53	shadowzone	Just got youtube last month or so.
23:54	Nerotic	ah, and you say you are a girl? (as i read)
23:54	shadowzone	Yep.
23:54	Nerotic	you must be in 8th grade then ;P
23:54	cities	You're so mature
23:54	cities	For your age
23:55	cities	At least in irc
23:55	Nerotic	^^^
23:55	shadowzone	I am in 8th grade math.
23:55	shadowzone	I got held back a few in english so that's 7th grade.
23:55	shadowzone	And I am a ace at science so it's 10th grade.
23:55	shadowzone	I"m home schooled FYI.
23:56	cities	You talk just great with people double your age
23:56	shadowzone	Thanks.
23:56	cities	I'm not a good judge of that
23:56	cities	Eh eh
23:57	cities	Didn't expect English to be your worst subject
23:58	cities	Considering you use it better than I do
23:58	cities	I'm trying swiftkey
23:58	shadowzone	Lol.
23:58	shadowzone	I've gotten better this year.
23:58	shadowzone	I study like crazy.
23:59	cities	But like you're not on twitter obsessing over one direction like i would think a lot of powwow

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