IRC log for #minetest, 2014-09-26

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15:11	cities	I'm from efnet
15:12	cities	does this network have channel and nick registration services
15:13	PenguinDad	cities: of course freenode has
15:13	cities	Ive been on efnet for so long
15:13	cities	they have none
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15:26	blaise	yes, on efnet we must actively keep our nick
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15:28	cities	you on efnet too blaise
15:32	blaise	cities: yerp
15:33	ShadowNinja	cities: Not entirely, they do have ChanFix.
15:33	cities	yeah
15:33	blaise	chanfix seems to be unrelyable..
15:33	cities	its actually worked pretty well
15:33	cities	for me
15:34	blaise	sometimes it works great, other times it'll deop me in a channel I've been holding for 20 years
15:34	cities	wow really
15:35	blaise	no big deal, that's what bots are for
15:35	cities	:)
15:35	blaise	cd ~/minetest && git pull
15:36	blaise	oops
15:36	ShadowNinja	num_times_irc_used_as_shell++;
15:37	blaise	got a little excited with my alt-tabbyness
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15:56	blaise	!server midnightsystems
15:56	blaise	:o
15:56	MinetestBot	blaise: MidnightSystems \| midnightsystems.net \| Clients: 1/10, 0/1 \| Version: 0.4.10 / minetest \| Ping: 260ms
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15:57	Amaz	!server Lord of the Rings
15:57	MinetestBot	Amaz: No results
15:58	Amaz	!server lott
15:58	MinetestBot	Amaz: No results
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15:58	Amaz	:(
16:01	jp	if you cut the screen from a laptop, it may be normal to have a slower wifi connection then ?
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16:04	George__	Hi how do you turn over stone ?
16:04	George__	or any block like wood?
16:04	Jordach	-!- Question doesn't make sense, try again.
16:05	MinetestBot	john_minetest: Lord of the Test hosted by OldCoder \| minetest.org:30020 \| Clients: 0/20, 1/9 \| Version: 0.4.10-dev / lott_game \| Ping: 1079ms
16:05	blaise	jp: eh, no.
16:05	jp	blaise : my connection became suddently slow after that
16:06	blaise	jp: you should notice the wireless antennas, they are little wires comming from the wireless device inside the laptop case
16:06	George__	ok I eane to put a decoradive stine on my cassel and I'm usinf stars to do it but I need them 108 %
16:06	blaise	and it's entirely possible that you screwed up some shielding which is interfering with your wireless connection
16:06	jp	blaise : ok, I'll take a look into it
16:07	jp	I thought there was some wifi devices hidden in the screen, to amplify the signal or so
16:07	blaise	jp: why would you want to remove the screen?
16:07	jp	because it was dead
16:07	jp	I cut the plastic, cables, etc
16:08	George__	I've seen it done in youtube vedios
16:08	blaise	jp: it's entirely possible that the antenna be in the lid,
16:08	blaise	jp: which is why I ask, why did you "Cut" the screen off?
16:08	jp	indeed, that why I asked...
16:08	blaise	did you use a pair of lawn shears?
16:09	blaise	a hand saw?
16:09	jp	wood & metal saw
16:09	blaise	why didn't you use a screw driver?!
16:09	Hobodium	Screw drivers don't cut things well, duh!
16:09	blaise	he shouldn't have cut anything off
16:10	jp	I cut it because it was annoying to have this dead thing ahead me (I relied the computer to a TV)
16:10	blaise	if the screen is broke, and you want it off the device.. great
16:10	jp	I prefer the brutal method
16:10	jp	screwdiver is more long
16:10	blaise	but lcd screens arn't that expencive..
16:11	jp	30$ on ebay
16:11	blaise	and, you could have destroyed something in the laptop by using a saw..
16:11	blaise	so why potentialy waste $30 ?
16:12	jp	there was some different cable into the plastic
16:12	Hobodium	I think you are generally unlikely to do much damage to a laptop by just cutting off the screen. They don't usually stick anything that important in the lid.
16:12	blaise	NO KIDDING
16:12	blaise	Hobodium: aside from the LVDS cable, yes?
16:12	blaise	which could have shorted out the laptop motherboard
16:13	Hobodium	I doubt a low voltage cable is going to short much out, even fi you did manage to actually short anything
16:13	jp	I think I can compensate this damage by increasing the wifi signal
16:13	blaise	lol
16:13	blaise	jp: what's the purpose of this machine?
16:14	jp	internet naviguation mainly
16:14	Hobodium	Also, the cable tends to come from the LCD panel itself from the ones I've worked on, so you can still replace it technically. Maybe he can use his saw to make a new frame for the lid!
16:14	jp	-u
16:14	blaise	I've always used pizza boxes
16:15	blaise	it's neat becuase as they stack on the floor it's like a server rack..
16:15	blaise	but pizza boxes..
16:15	blaise	but it's humming...
16:16	Hobodium	Just need to make sure nobody tosses out the pile of pizza boxes
16:16	blaise	I keel j00 and your pizza box stealing madness
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16:19	George__	how do you turn a block of wood on its side so the grain is going vertical nor horazonal?
16:20	George__	sorry fpr the spelling
16:21	George__	fpr not fpr
16:21	jp	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4807
16:22	jp	or : https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10047 (not sure it work for 6d)
16:23	jp	moreblocks have "horizontal" trees nodes iirc
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16:24	blaise	George__: use a screwdriver
16:25	blaise	George__: and wooden planks are different then wood
16:25	blaise	George__: wood looks like a section of a log
16:25	George__	ok ty
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16:41	* blaise	feeds Amaz to MinetestBot
16:41	Amaz	:(
16:41	* blaise	sprays Amaz with bbq sauce
16:41	* Amaz	think that is unnecessary!
16:41	* Amaz	think that is even more unnecessary!
16:42	* blaise	lights the grill on fire
16:42	* blaise	gives Amaz a big smile
16:43	* Amaz	runs away!
16:43	cities	Hey any public servers running the Carbone mod?
16:44	cities	That's one that looks interesting to me to try
16:44	cities	Or game rather
16:44	cities	I may be using wrong terminology
16:45	MinetestForFun	the carbone subgame is used in many server but "in part"
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16:45	MinetestBot	rubenwardy: 09-23 00:57 UTC <jordan4ibanez> your nodebox editor is incredible.
16:45	MinetestForFun	because the carbone subgame is very light, it needs more mods :p
16:45	jordan4ibanez	That's awesome
16:46	rubenwardy	Hi all!
16:46	rubenwardy	Thanks, jordan4ibanez :P
16:46	jordan4ibanez	Hello
16:46	jordan4ibanez	And you're welcome!
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16:47	Krock	Heya
16:47	MinetestForFun	someone can help me ? i don't understand very good the "farming (redo)" mod, i don't know why, but i can't found the "forest soil 1, 2, 3, 4) of the mod, for begin my farm...
16:47	Jordach	shitcicles
16:47	Jordach	i broke left mouse
16:47	MinetestForFun	Hi rubenxardy
16:47	MinetestForFun	rubenwardy*
16:47	Krock	Jordach, -button?
16:48	Jordach	yeas
16:48	Krock	MinetestForFun, you're sure it's not a dirt group?
16:48	cities	Ok
16:48	cities	Very light mod
16:48	Jordach	i even took it apart and clicked all of the microswitches
16:49	Krock	Jordach, good old' mice with wheel. alive since 1997
16:49	Jordach	Krock, it cost Â£3
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16:50	cities	Man can I leave work yet
16:50	Krock	^ you can
16:50	Hobodium	Well, you can. Probably not a good idea though.
16:51	cities	I wanna go home and play
16:51	cities	The game
16:52	blaise	I can't seem to get either one of these fishing mods to work
16:52	blaise	I mean, I can fish..
16:52	blaise	but I don't catch anything
16:52	blaise	like,evahh
16:54	blaise	WOOOHOOOOO!!!!! [U] == media-libs/mesa (10.2.709/19/2014; (~)10.2.7 -> (~)10.3.0): OpenGL-like graphic library for Linux
16:54	* PenguinDad	meows at blaise
16:56	* Krock	checks out latest commits and decides if he should compile or not
16:56	* sfan5	meows at blaise
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17:01	cities	my 5 year old daughter
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17:01	cities	she loves sitting with me when I play Minecraft
17:01	cities	so last night she asked to play minecraft
17:02	cities	I said I'm not playing minecraft, I'm going to play Minetest
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17:02	doomtron	kkkk
17:02	sfan5	o/ hoodedice
17:02	cities	"but I don't want minetest! I want minecraft!"
17:02	cities	but dear its a free open source alternative
17:02	cities	she didn't care
17:02	sfan5	lol
17:04	DusXMT	I;ve just found out that diving in minetest is really fun, I like it
17:04	hoodedice	came on for ##java, sorry
17:05	sfan5	hoodedice: do you even java?
17:06	* Sokomine	shoots whoever did the strange slabs in realtest
17:06	MinetestBot	Sokomine: 09-23 06:43 UTC <est31> Hi there is a bug with your spraybooth. When you "take the output" and then place it in your inventory where there is already something else, that something gets deleted. Normal behaviour would be that that something then hangs at the cursor and can be placed somewhere else.
17:06	Sokomine	!tell est31 that's a known bug in the engine/builtin. i hope it will get fixed eventually. it's issue #944
17:07	MinetestBot	Sokomine: 09-23 06:47 UTC <est31> ok, you noticed that yourself already. #944
17:07	MinetestBot	Sokomine: I'll pass that on when est31 is around
17:07	rubenwardy	lol
17:07	Sokomine	g
17:07	Sokomine	hope that bug gets fixed eventually
17:08	PenguinDad	hoodedice: I always come on for ################doweneedmore#s :P
17:08	Krock	cities, too young to understand what "open source" means?
17:08	cities	lol
17:08	cities	kind of
17:10	sfan5	!tell sfan5_ test
17:10	MinetestBot	sfan5: yeah, sure, whatever
17:10	sfan5_	meow
17:10	MinetestBot	sfan5_: 09-26 17:10 UTC <sfan5> test
17:10	sfan5	hm
17:10	sfan5	that seems to work
17:12	doomtron	isnt minetest free software?
17:12	sfan5	yes
17:12	MinetestBot	sfan5: 09-26 17:12 UTC <john_minetest> You will receive a fish now.
17:12	sfan5	:3
17:12	* john_minetest	gives sfan5 a <'(((-<
17:12	* sfan5	noms the fish
17:13	cities	are you a cat
17:14	cities	or a shy guy from Mario Kart 8
17:14	cities	which reminds me what is the purpose of a nyan cat block
17:14	sfan5	I'm a cat
17:14	sfan5	nyan cat? purpose?
17:14	doomtron	i want tolisten
17:14	sfan5	those two words do not fit together ;)
17:14	cities	you're right
17:14	cities	my question is moot
17:15	blaise	lol
17:15	PenguinDad	sfan5: three words ;P
17:16	sfan5	oh
17:16	sfan5	right
17:16	* blaise	sips his coffee
17:16	sfan5	!c len("nyan cat purpose".split(" "))
17:16	MinetestBot	3
17:17	cities	so you can craft nyan cat blocks
17:17	cities	and their rainbows
17:18	sfan5	no
17:18	sfan5	you can only find them
17:18	cities	really
17:18	sfan5	!wiki Nyan Cat
17:18	cities	so they exist somewhere
17:18	MinetestBot	"Nyan Cats are extremely rare blocks." - http://wiki.minetest.net/Nyan_Cat
17:18	cities	hah
17:19	Krock	cities, I saw a mod which allows you to craft rainbows
17:19	cities	that is hilarious
17:19	cities	and bizarre
17:20	Krock	Added 7 mods and updated 5 (Mod Search)
17:20	blaise	apparently with neogloops mod, you end up with rainbow caves
17:20	cities	blaise do you play on a multiplayer server
17:20	cities	so before I understood what happens when you die on there
17:20	sfan5	!wiki Nyan Cat Rainbow
17:20	MinetestBot	"Nyan Cat Rainbows are extremely rare blocks, found in proximity of Nyan Cats." - http://wiki.minetest.net/Nyan_Cat_Rainbow
17:20	blaise	I run a multiplayer server
17:21	cities	someome says to me
17:21	cities	have you seen my bones
17:21	cities	I'm thinking..
17:21	cities	umm not lately
17:21	cities	blaise which one is yours
17:21	rubenwardy	Any recommendations for text / code editors on Ubuntu based operating systems? Sublime or Notepad++ would be perfect, except the first is proprietary and the second is windows only. I don't really want a full IDE.
17:21	blaise	!server midnight
17:21	MinetestBot	blaise: MidnightSystems \| midnightsystems.net \| Clients: 0/10, 0/2 \| Version: 0.4.10 / minetest \| Ping: 125ms
17:22	cities	oh nice
17:22	blaise	cities: which one is yours?
17:22	cities	lol...are you asking if I run a multiplayer server
17:22	blaise	rubenwardy: gvim or vim?
17:22	blaise	rubenwardy: or emacs if you can stand it?
17:23	doomtron	vim, emacs, nano, gedit
17:23	rubenwardy	Currently looking at Kate
17:23	rubenwardy	gedit is what I am moving from
17:23	blaise	meh, that's kde dependent
17:23	rubenwardy	ogh
17:23	rubenwardy	oh
17:23	rubenwardy	Vim looks a bit ugly in the screenshots, but I'll give it a try.
17:24	rubenwardy	reminds me of Vimto
17:24	cities	I want to check out your server
17:24	cities	I may already have
17:24	doomtron	https://xkcd.com/378/
17:24	doomtron	I use nano most of time
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17:25	Krock	<3 C#
17:25	cities	i tried to go to midnightsystems.net as a webpage
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17:26	PenguinDad	eeeâ€‹w C#
17:26	cities	to see if any server info/world map was there
17:26	blaise	hrmm
17:26	blaise	I need to do work on my car
17:26	Krock	erlehmann
17:27	blaise	oil change, filters, plugs'n'wires
17:27	blaise	but I have my son to look after
17:27	blaise	:G
17:27	PenguinDad	Krock
17:28	Krock	PenguinDad
17:28	OldCoder	john_minetest, Lord of the Test is pretty good
17:30	cities	sfan5 I did not realize you were the same person as ninjakitten
17:31	sfan5	then you know that now
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17:32	cities	I think I visited your server
17:37	doomtron	guys, im running a default server and even being able to connect to it from LAN I belive my internet provider isnt allowing me to host any server trought his network
17:40	sfan5	doomtron: not allowing or preventing?
17:40	Calinou	officially, not a lot of them allow hosting game servers
17:40	Calinou	but you can always do it
17:40	doomtron	preventing i think
17:40	Calinou	try another port
17:40	Calinou	but 30000 is rarely a restricted one
17:40	Calinou	usually, the restricted ports are 25 and 80
17:40	sfan5	why 25?
17:40	sfan5	is that ftp?
17:41	doomtron	its a radio internet service, i believe they are using some kind of routing which is blocking me
17:41	Calinou	https://github.com/stuntrally/tracks/commit/b0e3c3f26729d60c53a25c337b72be92a7e092ba
17:41	Calinou	sfan5, SMTP I think
17:41	sfan5	!g port 25
17:41	MinetestBot	sfan5: http://www.port25.com/
17:41	sfan5	!title
17:41	MinetestBot	sfan5: The SMTP Server Software Leader: PowerMTA
17:41	sfan5	yup
17:41	Calinou	doomtron, in mobile Internet (3G/4G and such) you can't host a server because you don't have a routable public IP at all
17:42	doomtron	so the answer would be remobo?
17:42	sfan5	nah
17:42	Calinou	don't ever use that
17:42	sfan5	vpn on a vps would be infinitely better
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17:43	doomtron	hmm
17:44	doomtron	but a vpn would not make my server private to that network?
17:45	sfan5	no
17:45	sfan5	you can forward port 30000 on your vps to your computer
17:45	blaise	or rent a shell for $5 a year and put the server on the shell
17:47	blaise	12:47:02: ERROR[ServerThread]: ServerEnv: Trying to store id=10657 statically but block (5,0,5) already contains 528 objects. Forcing delete. â”‚
17:47	blaise	:(
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17:48	MinetestBot	Halo: 09-23 18:08 UTC <Krock> surprise!
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17:52	Calinou	Carbone: Remove outdated, annoying Awards mod. Note that you can get it here as a mod: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4870
17:52	Inspire049	hi
17:53	blaise	Calinou: what ever happened to that awards mod
17:53	blaise	did rubenwardy abandon it?
17:53	Calinou	it looks like so anyway :/
17:53	Calinou	but it still works on latest versions
17:53	Calinou	the pop-ups are very annoying
17:54	blaise	rubenwardy: why did you abandon your mod?
17:54	Calinou	and I don't like the concept of such achievements much anyway
17:54	Calinou	probably a lack of time, he maintains dozens of mods already
17:54	rubenwardy	No, I just can't be bothered to update it.
17:54	Calinou	I'm trying to put Carbone on a diet by removing useless mods
17:54	rubenwardy	And NBE
17:54	blaise	I do, but I feel like the visual notification shouldn't be centered on the screen and have to be interacted with to continue with anything
17:54	Calinou	to make it more maintainable
17:55	Calinou	blaise, needs to be done with the HUD then
17:55	Calinou	more performance-costy server-side
17:55	Calinou	the HUD is not made to make menus
17:55	blaise	Calinou: I'm rather fond of the HUD mod
17:55	blaise	:)
17:55	Calinou	most HUD mods rely on timed routines
17:55	rubenwardy	If someone would like to compile a list of balanced awards, then I'll add them.
17:56	Calinou	rubenwardy, Carbone had quite a set of custom awards
17:56	Calinou	you can find them in the GIT history
17:56	Calinou	https://gitorious.org/calinou/carbone/commit/e00888f07072a7191d2270ec7091de22ec4fb211
17:56	Calinou	https://gitorious.org/calinou/carbone/commit/e00888f07072a7191d2270ec7091de22ec4fb211#mods/awards/init.lua
17:56	Calinou	this, more accurately
17:59	Calinou	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1467
17:59	Calinou	does this allow us to make a Vanish mod?
17:59	Calinou	Krock, ^ :)
17:59	Calinou	by exploiting it
18:00	Krock	Calinou, possible. try it :P
18:01	Krock	YAY! <3 mt_pre_mapper.exe
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18:02	Inspire049	hi
18:02	blaise	hi
18:02	sfan5	hi
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18:04	Krock	aagh imgur!
18:04	Inspire049	is widdos online?
18:04	Krock	nope.avi
18:04	Krock	try isis.inchra.net #minetest
18:04	PenguinDad	Krock: How 'bout mediacru.sh?
18:04	blaise	lol
18:05	Krock	PenguinDad, crush crush. I would need to transfer everything then. no.
18:05	PenguinDad	Krock: why?
18:06	Krock	PenguinDad, because I keep forgetting where my images are saved to
18:06	blaise	what about google?
18:06	blaise	chances are, they're already there
18:06	blaise	XD
18:07	blaise	damn shell exploits
18:07	blaise	everyone was all like "oh no, it's only bash"
18:07	blaise	turns out it's any shell
18:07	blaise	zsh, sh, ksh
18:08	blaise	all of them
18:08	blaise	fish
18:08	blaise	I like fish btw
18:08	blaise	it's nice
18:09	PenguinDad	fish sounds delicous :D
18:09	blaise	http://fishshell.com/
18:09	blaise	Friendly Interactive SHell
18:12	cities	cool name..
18:12	blaise	PenguinDad: honestly I love eating fish, but I'm afraid to..
18:13	Krock	Finally! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=155647#p155647
18:14	PenguinDad	blaise: I wonder if fish added Ctrl-R since I looked at it the last time :/
18:15	* blaise	shrugs
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18:15	blaise	PenguinDad: what was ctrl-r supposed to do?
18:15	blaise
18:16	blaise	reverse-i-search ?
18:16	PenguinDad	blaise: yep
18:17	* blaise	nibbles on a caramel apple cookie
18:19	blaise	sfan5: did you ever see my question about if memcached could be used with minetest?
18:20	blaise	ShadowNinja: would you happen to know if memcached might could be used with minetest ?
18:21	sfan5	blaise: whats memcached?
18:21	ShadowNinja	blaise: No, I've never used that.
18:21	ShadowNinja	Sounds like "memory cache daemon"
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18:23	PenguinDad	sfan5: this one I guess http://www.memcached.org/
18:25	sfan5	and what should it cache?
18:28	sfan5	asie: that license they use o.O
18:28	sfan5	context: https://twitter.com/asiekierka/status/515568180404957184
18:28	sfan5	!tw https://twitter.com/asiekierka/status/515568180404957184
18:28	asie	sfan5: Yes.
18:29	asie	The mod at least 4 major Minecraft mods depend on, some of which are FOSS... is not FOSS
18:29	sfan5	is that even enforceable?
18:29	sfan5	!tw https://twitter.com/asiekierka/status/515568180404957184
18:29	MinetestBot	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/m7h9tC7pkS54.png Not even bothering to make a comment on this one. (@asiekierka)
18:29	asie	Probably.
18:29	asie	CovertJaguar's is, at least
18:29	asie	He knows his legal stuff well.
18:30	sfan5	"Also, since it's not fully open, it keeps asie far far away, which is seriously worth doing."
18:30	asie	Yes, they hate me this much
18:30	* sfan5	wonders why asie is hated
18:30	asie	I don't know
18:30	asie	I think it's related to some of my blog posts
18:30	asie	http://blog.asie.pl/
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18:31	* sfan5	reads
18:32	rubenwardy	How does mese spawn naturally (what item code?)
18:32	Calinou	default:mese I thinkâ€¦
18:32	Calinou	or default:meseblock now
18:32	Calinou	default:mese is likely an alias
18:32	sfan5	"*A Functionally Equivalent Statement is a code fragment which, regardless of whitespace and object names, achieves the same result. Basically you can't copy the code, rename the variables, add whitespace and say it's different. It's not."
18:32	sfan5	asie: obfuscate all the code?
18:32	rubenwardy	default:stone_with_mese
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18:33	Calinou	that's mese ore
18:33	Calinou	it also spawns as blocks naturally
18:33	Calinou	sfan5, obfuscate ALL the code!
18:33	Calinou	asie, this guy should work at Google, on the Android SDK :)
18:33	blaise	sfan5: ShadowNinja: it's used to cache databases
18:34	sfan5	blaise: why not just use redis?
18:34	blaise	sfan5: because memcached works over a network.. so you can distribute the database load to multiple machines
18:35	Calinou	the FSF doesn't define open source, it defines free/libre software, asie
18:35	sfan5	asie: "Note 4: And now I'm a jerk for trying to raise awareness of a potential issue which might bite us all with the next Minecraft update. I hate this community sometimes" s/sometimes//
18:35	sfan5	blaise: redis does too
18:35	Calinou	well, just quit Minecraft modding, it's hell on earth
18:35	* Jordach	pets asie
18:35	blaise	sfan5: where?
18:35	asie	Calinou: I already did
18:35	* sfan5	meows at Jordach's lamp
18:35	asie	I also use open source for simplicity
18:35	sfan5	blaise: where??
18:36	asie	visible source is whatever is not free software but open source
18:36	blaise	oh
18:36	Calinou	that's often called shared source
18:36	Calinou	the OSI says open source must be redistributable, etc
18:36	* blaise	explodes
18:36	Jordach	asie, the MC community since 2011 proved their nothing but a bunch of useless twats and hippocrites
18:36	Calinou	if you can just view it, it's â€œshared sourceâ€
18:36	Jordach	they're*]
18:37	asie	Calinou: I don't even bother making all the distinctions
18:37	asie	If it fulfills the four freedoms, it's open source, if you can read the source, it's visible source
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18:37	asie	and if it restricts you into their own viral box, it's "free software"
18:37	asie	free as in America
18:37	blaise	ah poop
18:37	blaise	so how do I do this
18:38	blaise	instead of localhost I use the machine I want the server to access the redis database on?
18:38	* PenguinDad	gets blaise's pieces together
18:38	blaise	but that doesn't distribute the load of the database over multiple servers
18:38	sfan5	asie: "Nobody can legally take it up without the explicit permission of the developer, which sometimes is not given at all (see RedPower 2, [...]" RedPower2 is abandoned?
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18:38	asie	sfan5: Since 1.4.7, yes.
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18:39	asie	Eloraam quit after someone from 4chan called her out for being transgender
18:39	asie	Then came back in 1.7.10
18:39	asie	then decided to quit again and work on Minia, her own propiertary clone
18:39	* Calinou	sad laugh
18:39	sfan5	blaise: redis_address = <db server>, you can't use multiple servers IIRC
18:39	sfan5	asie: and is there any alternative?
18:39	asie	Yes!
18:39	asie	RedLogic is the MIT one
18:39	blaise	sfan5: but with memcached you can..
18:39	asie	Project: Red is a fork of RedLogic that used to be LGPL, then rewrote everything and went closed-source
18:39	blaise	hence the distributed database backend
18:40	asie	there's also BluePower
18:40	asie	an LGPL clone that tries to be a lot more faithful to RP2
18:40	asie	but early in dev
18:41	sfan5	asie: so basically no
18:41	sfan5	:(
18:42	sfan5	I really enjoyed rp2
18:42	asie	sfan5: basically yes
18:42	asie	just use RedLogic
18:42	sfan5	1.7.10?
18:42	asie	1.5.2+
18:42	asie	up to 1.7.10
18:42	asie	I did the 1.7 port
18:42	sfan5	awesome
18:42	asie	then immibis fixed it up
18:43	erlehmann	Calinou FYI, i reported bug with minetest and maintainers seem to be quick in debian
18:44	erlehmann	asie there is an open source definition http://opensource.org/osd-annotated
18:44	asie	erlehmann: i don't really care anymore
18:44	asie	i just call things what i feel they should be called
18:45	blaise	http://code.google.com/p/memcached/
18:45	erlehmann	asie yeah, but the OSI defined (and popularized) the term. so if you call it something else, well, everyone will misunderstand you.
18:45	asie	erlehmann: there are tons of misunderstandings
18:46	blaise	sfan5: so I suppose to use that we would need redis and memcached
18:46	asie	and i'm not bothering to use 'free software' as that term brings even more misunderstandings
18:46	asie	so there
18:46	Calinou	free software, done properly, doesn't cause confusion
18:46	sfan5	blaise: why both?
18:46	Calinou	cf. libre software
18:46	Calinou	free/libre if you want
18:46	sfan5	asie: http://youtu.be/1IowoeWOgfc?t=14s
18:46	blaise	and have memcached cache the redis database over multiple machines
18:46	asie	Calinou: nope
18:46	asie	most people think free software is freeware
18:46	Calinou	there are other ethical implications to the term
18:46	asie	and libre software would just make me look like a nerd
18:46	erlehmann	asie why do the people hate you?
18:46	erlehmann	the minecraft people?
18:46	asie	erlehmann: who knows?
18:46	Calinou	http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html (-:
18:47	asie	Calinou: richard-stallman-misses-the-point ;-)
18:47	asie	erlehmann: maybe because i actually give a shit about licensing, what mods are used, porting things
18:47	erlehmann	asie i see!
18:47	asie	and i BRING THE TOPICS UP
18:47	asie	instead of keeping it to myself
18:47	* sfan5	meows at asie
18:47	asie	i go on IRC and say "hey, that's an issue"
18:47	asie	and then everyone puts me on /ignore
18:47	blaise	congratz
18:48	Calinou	asie, the FSF isn't only about Richard Stallman though.
18:48	Calinou	it would be sad to â€œsimplifyâ€ it to only one man
18:48	erlehmann	saying â€žfree softwareâ€œ is now â€žopen sourceâ€œ is like saying â€žrock n rollâ€œ is now â€žnew waveâ€œ
18:48	Calinou	there's a guy behind the OSI too, Eric Raymond
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18:53	blaise	sfan5: do I set backend = redis before or after migration?
18:53	rubenwardy	Awards update! Now uses HUD. https://github.com/rubenwardy/awards
18:53	blaise	sfan5: my guess is after, so it knows where to find the current backend.. yes?
18:53	sfan5	blaise: ummm... minetestserver --migrate <backend> automatically updates the setting
18:54	rubenwardy	(and removes easy awards)
18:54	rubenwardy	like first join
18:54	Calinou	rubenwardy, :O
18:54	Calinou	nice
18:54	Calinou	yes, remove redundant awards
18:54	Calinou	but I probably won't re-add it to Carbone
18:54	rubenwardy	See what happens when you prod when to update
18:54	rubenwardy	XD
18:55	rubenwardy	That's fine, I am doing it because it has come to my attention
18:55	blaise	sfan5: is the directory map.db where the leveldb stuffs is stored?
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18:56	sfan5	blaise: yup
18:56	rainbowdah	hi
18:57	rainbowdah	stan5?
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18:58	sfan5	what?
18:58	blaise	that's an f, not a t
18:58	rainbowdah	oh sorry i thought my connetion went out
18:58	rainbowdah	just testing
18:59	* blaise	gives sfan5 a package of kipper snacks
18:59	* sfan5	noms them
19:00	sfan5	rainbowdah: just do MinetestBot! then
19:00	sfan5	MinetestBot!
19:00	MinetestBot	sfan5!
19:00	rainbowdah	what is minebot?
19:01	rainbowdah	sorry minetestbot
19:02	sfan5	MinetestBot is a bot
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19:05	rainbowdah	the server seems alot less inactive since i last been on
19:08	blaise	lol
19:08	blaise	when I went to migrate, pipeworks threw an error..
19:08	blaise	so I had to disable pipeworks to migrate the database
19:09	blaise	rainbowdah: what server?
19:09	Krock	is there anything equivalent to string foo = (bar? "Yes" : "No"); in Lua?
19:09	rainbowdah	the freenode server
19:09	sfan5	Krock: no
19:09	Krock	sfan5, okay.
19:09	blaise	rainbowdah: the freenode irc server?
19:09	rainbowdah	yes
19:10	blaise	eh, I can't recall when it's ever been even close to inactive
19:10	blaise	maybe the first few years freenode existed..
19:10	PenguinDad	Krock: you could use "bar and 'Yes' or 'No'"
19:10	Krock	mah hero.
19:10	erlehmann	thanks asie i am reading your blog now!
19:10	rainbowdah	anyways ive been having trouble finding the server on minetest called minetestville
19:11	blaise	!server ville
19:11	MinetestBot	blaise: Minetestville \| 162.156.68.250 \| Clients: 6/40, 5/6 \| Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest \| Ping: 182ms
19:11	blaise	that one?
19:11	Calinou	* sfan5 wonders why asie is hated
19:11	Calinou	the same reason I'm hated
19:11	Calinou	not following popular, general opinion
19:11	rainbowdah	yeah
19:11	blaise	:)
19:11	blaise	glad to be of service
19:11	* blaise	steps outside for a few
19:12	Calinou	smoking kills
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19:13	PenguinDad	Calinou: Life is 100% deadly
19:14	doomtron	r u a bot then?
19:14	rainbowdah	its been along time since i was on the minetest server
19:15	rainbowdah	anyt wait too say hi to max and batman
19:17	rainbowdah	!server ville
19:17	MinetestBot	rainbowdah: Minetestville \| 162.156.68.250 \| Clients: 6/40, 5/6 \| Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest \| Ping: 182ms
19:19	blaise	wow, my remote redis server ran out of ram
19:19	blaise	that's fscked
19:19	* PenguinDad	fscks blaise
19:19	rainbowdah	bad peguindad
19:20	* Jordach	fcsks MinetestBot
19:20	Jordach	( Í¡Â° ÍœÊ– Í¡Â°)
19:20	PenguinDad	I can't check blaise's filesystem :(
19:20	blaise	:o
19:20	sfan5	( Í¡Â° ÍœÊ– Í¡Â°)
19:20	blaise	PenguinDad: it's btrfs
19:20	sfan5	^
19:20	sfan5	btrfs yay
19:21	Hobodium	É¿(ï½¡ï½¥Éœï½¥)É¾â“Œâ“—â“â“£ï¼Ÿ
19:22	erlehmann	asie nice http://blog.asie.pl/2014/05/how-i-quit-minecraft-and-went-minetest/
19:22	erlehmann	i made a rudimentary mod for a glider
19:22	erlehmann	from PilzAdam's boat mod
19:22	erlehmann	but i can only model very basically in wings3d
19:22	erlehmann	and do not have an idea of nice flight physics
19:23	Calinou	there are hovers in Carbone
19:23	asie	well, i'm writing a magnum opus post now
19:23	asie	https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H6tCCSko8X_H7_9X1vQX6yZ9_4VU9nTEEgXnrtTekjw/edit
19:24	Calinou	Google docs :(
19:25	Jordach	"As a person who has a Ph. D in drama generation"
19:25	sfan5	lol
19:25	* Jordach	actually laughs a little
19:27	cities	I want to play this Carbone thing
19:27	cities	everywhere I read says its so good
19:28	PenguinDad	cities: just play it then
19:28	cities	Id like to do it on multiplayer but not sure which servers are using it
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19:30	Calinou	cities, http://servers.minetest.net
19:30	Calinou	tells the gameids of servers
19:30	Calinou	not many servers run it
19:30	Calinou	<cities> everywhere I read says its so good
19:30	Calinou	hey, cool :D
19:30	cities	you mean the flags?
19:30	cities	sorry
19:31	cities	oh I see one
19:31	cities	H20
19:32	Calinou	unpopulated
19:32	cities	I just did control+f and typed in carbone
19:33	alket	where could i get a free minetest server xD
19:33	rainbowdah	noboy remebes me on the server
19:33	cities	Calinou maybe you could help me out. What am I looking at wrong
19:34	sfan5	alket: nowhere?
19:34	Calinou	no, there are really that few servers using it
19:34	rubenwardy	Calinou, I back ported the mods from your (deleted) fork in Carbone. Do you mind if I change the license of Awards to GPL?
19:34	cities	oh
19:34	Calinou	yes, do that
19:34	alket	:)
19:34	cities	man
19:34	cities	if its so awesome why is that
19:34	alket	what about a cheap and good one ?
19:35	sfan5	alket: a 512mb digitalocean vps is probably enough
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19:36	Calinou	512 MB may be limited in player count
19:36	Calinou	cities, it's not default
19:37	alket	we are 4 players ?
19:37	Calinou	ah
19:37	Calinou	use Server performance settings anyway
19:37	rubenwardy	s/mods/awards
19:37	alket	it would be better if I could host , but it seems like it doesnt work
19:37	alket	from home
19:37	sfan5	alket: what did you try so far?
19:38	cities	omg I never realized you could hover over the version column
19:38	cities	and see a list of mods
19:38	alket	sudo nohup minetest --serveres , but i dont understand it
19:38	sfan5	alket: try running minetest --server first
19:38	doomtron	does minetest accept ipv6 server addresses?
19:39	sfan5	doomtron: yes
19:39	alket	sfan5, i did
19:39	sfan5	!server ping:least
19:39	MinetestBot	sfan5: Clip Public Server \| 188.40.69.134 \| Clients: 15/24, 8/21 \| Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest \| Ping: 18ms
19:39	sfan5	alket: what was the result?
19:39	alket	sfan5, the game opened , and some irrlicht in cli
19:40	alket	sfan5, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8435242/
19:40	sfan5	alket: did you start "minetest --server"
19:40	alket	no
19:40	alket	without --
19:41	alket	sfan5, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8435246/
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19:42	zat	No matter what I try... I just cant figure out what octaves and persist do in a perlin noise.
19:42	Calinou	cities, when you hover underlined stuff, you see info
19:43	blaise	so, I'm over here trying to migrate my server to a redis db on a remote machine
19:44	blaise	and eh, it doesn't seem to notice if the redist server is up or down
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19:44	blaise	so.. I'm not sure if this is actually working
19:44	blaise	and when I tail -f the redis.log in debug mode, I don't see any activity at all
19:45	blaise	so, I'm not sure if it's even communicating with the remote machine
19:45	blaise	I don't believe it is..
19:46	alket	sfan5, what about now
19:46	alket	i mean , what now
19:46	sfan5	alket: it's running
19:47	alket	but they can't connect
19:47	sfan5	where are you hosting it?
19:47	alket	sfan5, home
19:48	sfan5	alket: forward port 30000 udp on your router to the computer the server runs on
19:49	Krock	wat. minetest fails to compile? eww. devs.
19:50	alket	sfan5, from 3000 to ?
19:50	sfan5	alket: just 30000
19:51	blaise	Krock: mine compiled just fine
19:51	alket	sfan5, but it has Start Port End Port
19:51	Krock	mine didn't. that's the problem. using the same setup as last week when it compiled fine
19:51	zlsa	alket, 30000 to 30000?
19:51	zlsa	or 30001?
19:52	sfan5	alket: from 30000 to 30000
19:52	blaise	that's got to look like a complete mess in iptables
19:52	sfan5	blaise: routers always do a mess with iptablers
19:52	sfan5	-r
19:52	blaise	what ever script you're using must suck big hairy whale poop
19:53	sfan5	blaise: it's probably the router config gui
19:54	blaise	you have to specify a range? you can't specify a single port?!
19:54	blaise	and are you sure it's not asking for something like /24 ?
19:55	blaise	the /24 would be to allow forwarding of all ports
19:55	blaise	not sure how to specify that
19:55	sfan5	thats called exposed host
19:55	blaise	lol
19:56	blaise	sfan5: whelp, I think the server which hosts my minetest server does not have the ram to migrate from leveldb to a remote redis server
19:57	blaise	sfan5: I get to about half way, then it says 14:55:25: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: Failed to store block in Database
19:57	blaise	but no error on the redis server
19:57	rubenwardy	Added API support for players receiving prizes, such as blocks and items, when unlocking awards (not currently used by any awards)
19:57	blaise	just [18588] 26 Sep 19:55:25.370 - Client closed connection
19:58	blaise	rubenwardy: Yay!
19:59	blaise	I wonder if I can transfer the leveldb folder to the redis server machine and migrate it from there
19:59	blaise	I'm feeling like it might be the only way
20:00	rubenwardy	The problem with prizes is their value varies depending on the economy of a server. (Not very valuable on creative, valuable on branch new survival where no big blocks are on circulation)
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20:03	rubenwardy	Bye all!
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20:08	blaise	as far as I can tell, it's not storing aything on the remote redis server
20:08	blaise	I just tried to generate a new map with redis backend
20:08	blaise	I'm in the game
20:09	blaise	but redis log doesn't show anything but the client being connected
20:09	blaise	definitly no changes when I dig/place blocks
20:10	Krock	!up 108.60.192.69
20:10	MinetestBot	108.60.192.69:30000 seems to be down
20:10	PenguinDad	!up do.wn
20:10	MinetestBot	do.wn:30000 seems to be down
20:10	PenguinDad	:(
20:12	Krock	MinetestBot.attach_on_th_end_of_command_answer("!up", ":(")
20:12	* Krock	gives sfan5 ^
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20:20	Matrixiumn	hi Calinou :)
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20:20	blaise	guess it's back to leveldb
20:21	blaise	till I can figure this out
20:21	blaise	!up midnightsystems.net
20:21	MinetestBot	midnightsystems.net:30000 is up (451ms)
20:27	MinetestBot	blackha.wk:30000 seems to be down
20:28	Krock	ehm. how can I restore a deleted file in GIT? The file should be in a "historical" state
20:33	blaise	Krock: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/953481/restore-a-deleted-file-in-a-git-repo
20:34	Krock	lol. wrote "ehm. wrong channel" in te wrong channel
20:34	Krock	thx for googl'ing
20:34	blaise	:)
20:36	blaise	git log --diff-filter=D --summary
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20:44	Amaz	Any ideas why using minetest.register_on_leaveplayer to change settings doesn't work? I can change settings fine enough with: minetest.register_on_joinplayer
20:44	Amaz	(With singleplayer.)
20:45	Krock	ever tried to use .save()
20:46	Amaz	Nope.
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20:48	Amaz	minetest.register_on_shutdown works though!
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20:51	* Krock	hits 1800 posts
20:51	Amaz	Well done Krock!
20:51	Krock	:)
20:52	* Amaz	gives Krock a tin of cookies
20:52	Amaz	Not quite good enough for a cake... Yet ;)
20:53	Krock	tin as ore, tin as "cup" or tin as preserve?
20:53	Amaz	:P 2nd one!
20:53	Krock	oke.
20:53	zat	sheet ore generation sux o I am using it bad......
20:54	Krock	Y?
20:54	Krock	3 2 1
20:55	asie	yes i am staying here sfan5
20:55	zat	I get a flat 2d sheet and not a 3d noise as I ekpected
20:56	Jordach	asie, <3
20:56	Jordach	zat, no sheet
20:57	blaise	Ð’Ñ–Ð½ Ð¼Ð°Ð² Ð½Ð° ÑƒÐ²Ð°Ð·Ñ– Ð¾Ñ‡Ñ–ÐºÑƒÑ”Ñ‚ÑŒÑÑ?
20:57	zat	?
20:57	Calinou	has anyone worked on a prettier presentation of lua_api.txt? that is, HTML or Markdown?
20:58	blaise	john_minetest: XD
20:59	blaise	I was speaking ukranian..
20:59	zat	so there is no 3d noise for ore generation?
21:00	blaise	zat: Ð¢Ð°Ðº Ñ” Ñ‚Ñ€Ð¸ Ñ… Ð¼Ñ–Ñ€Ð½Ðµ Ð¿Ð¾ÐºÐ¾Ð»Ñ–Ð½Ð½Ñ Ñ€ÑƒÐ´Ð¸.
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21:07	Calinou	I read lua_api.txt, the API is actually pretty large
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21:07	Calinou	zat, isn't scatter 3d noise?
21:07	Calinou	you can change noise params
21:07	zat	Calinou: really???
21:07	zat	OMFG
21:10	Calinou	lua_api.txt says so
21:10	Calinou	the scatter generation is quite configurable
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21:17	Calinou	http://paste.ubuntu.com/8435778/
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21:18	alket	is there a free server hosting for 4 players ? :)
21:18	Calinou	no
21:19	Calinou	you can go on an unpopulated server and play, but you don't have a say on the server configuration
21:19	blaise	alket: you're welcome on my server
21:19	blaise	!server midnight
21:19	MinetestBot	blaise: MidnightSystems \| midnightsystems.net \| Clients: 0/10, 0/1 \| Version: 0.4.10 / minetest \| Ping: 124ms
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21:58	ItsLuke	Do you guys accept doge as a donation?
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22:03	* PenguinDad	slowly falls asleep
22:04	VanessaE	ItsLuke: perhaps best to ask the individual you wish to tip, directly
22:04	ItsLuke	I want to tip Minetest
22:04	VanessaE	the Minetest donations page doesn't, per se, but there's a Paypal option, and I believe you can route your donations through coinbase now
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22:05	VanessaE	(coinbase et al. -> paypal -> minetest, if I understand paypal's new cryptocurrency deal correctly)
22:05	Bo7a	Shot in the dark, but maybe one of the devs in the dev channel has a wallet already :)
22:06	ItsLuke	Doge isnt coinbase
22:06	VanessaE	I know, but you can trade it for BTC and use that.
22:06	Bo7a	gocoin is the paypal dealy. But Only in north america right now
22:06	VanessaE	Bo7a: they're also doing coinbase and one other.
22:06	Bo7a	sweet
22:06	ItsLuke	I'm going to tip Hundreds of thousands of doge
22:07	ItsLuke	soo,,,
22:07	Artemis3	tip VanessaE with panda coins :3
22:07	VanessaE	Artemis3: :)
22:07	VanessaE	PND that is :)
22:09	VanessaE	but seriously,
22:10	VanessaE	that's your best route for now is to exchange them for BTC and use one of those two BTC/Paypal gateways
22:10	ItsLuke	Id rather not
22:11	ItsLuke	Have you seen the Cryptsy rates?
22:11	VanessaE	Not for that service in particular, but I know cryptsy sucks :-/
22:11	VanessaE	I stopped using them; if I need to trade I'll do it on mintpal
22:12	ItsLuke	Their rates are the same
22:12	ItsLuke	.help
22:12	ItsLuke	!help
22:12	MinetestBot	https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
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22:15	kaeza	evenings
22:15	VanessaE	hey kaeza
22:17	PenguinDad	Good night kaeza
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22:43	blaise	seems like no one plays on my server anymore
22:44	shadowzone	What is your server?
22:44	blaise	!server midnight
22:44	MinetestBot	blaise: MidnightSystems \| midnightsystems.net \| Clients: 0/10, 0/1 \| Version: 0.4.10 / minetest \| Ping: 594ms
22:44	shadowzone	Oh.
22:44	blaise	is it really that bad?
22:46	shadowzone	https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules <--- is this the same bot we have here?
22:47	blaise	yes
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23:03	AldoBR	hi all
23:03	AldoBR	i want the inventory equivalent of ItemStack() object creato
23:03	AldoBR	*creator
23:08	kaeza	what do you mean?
23:09	AldoBR	when you want to create a new stack from nowhere
23:09	AldoBR	you do
23:09	AldoBR	stack = ItemStack("name:qnt")
23:09	kaeza	yes
23:09	AldoBR	how can i create a inventory out of nowhere ?
23:09	AldoBR	and later attach it to a node
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23:10	kaeza	you just local meta = minetest.get_meta(nodepos) local inv = meta:get_inventory()
23:10	kaeza	then inv:set_size("listname", 123)
23:11	AldoBR	thats the problem the inventory is attached to a node in world
23:11	AldoBR	i want one inv that is not attached to anything at all
23:11	kaeza	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1551
23:11	kaeza	^ that then
23:12	AldoBR	it has a name
23:12	AldoBR	well, i will do another less elegant solution
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23:12	AldoBR	i will pass around a table of itemstacks and write two functions : one that translates from inventory to that table and other that translates from that table to inventory
23:13	AldoBR	thanks
23:13	kaeza	you still need an InvRef for it to be useful
23:13	kaeza	(e.g. to show the inv in a formspec)
23:14	kaeza	and for that, you need to name your inv something unique
23:14	AldoBR	storeinventory = function(node, invtable)
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23:14	AldoBR	it does not need to appear in a inv ref
23:14	AldoBR	i am creating a util library for moving nodes
23:14	AldoBR	nodes that can be moved around
23:14	AldoBR	a kind of generalization of the approach taken on TBM
23:14	AldoBR	to move, they must carry their inventory around
23:15	kaeza	if you don't need to actually show the inventory, then yes, you don't NEED and InvRef
23:15	kaeza	you can do that with regular tables
23:15	AldoBR	i can save the target node inventory to a variable
23:15	AldoBR	err
23:16	AldoBR	i can save the source inventory to a variable
23:16	AldoBR	move the node
23:16	AldoBR	and write the inventory back to the target node
23:16	AldoBR	and then move the node
23:17	AldoBR	err another question, how to detect if a itemstack is a tool/something that wears and cannot be stacked ?
23:18	kaeza	if itemstack:get_wear() ~= nil then ...
23:18	AldoBR	hm
23:18	AldoBR	so only tools have get_wear() defined ?
23:19	kaeza	no, it's a call
23:19	AldoBR	ah ()
23:19	kaeza	if it returns nil, it's not a "tool"
23:19	AldoBR	ok
23:19	AldoBR	thanks
23:19	kaeza	sure
23:19	* blaise	explodes
23:21	AldoBR	http://pastebin.com/tP6HbFxD
23:22	kaeza	AldoBR, you can also use stack:to_table()
23:22	AldoBR	api does not explain to_table() output format
23:23	kaeza	AFAIK, ItemStack(stack:to_table()) is supposed to return a stack equal to the original stack
23:23	kaeza	{ name="foo:bar", count=1, metadata="asdf", wear=1234 }
23:24	AldoBR	hm
23:24	kaeza	("wear" not set for not "tools", "metadata" not set if the stack has no metadata)
23:26	AldoBR	thanks
23:26	RealBadAngel	AldoBR, if you dont know the format use print(dump(x))
23:26	RealBadAngel	where x is your table in question
23:27	RealBadAngel	you will easily see how its organized then
23:27	blaise	wow
23:27	blaise	even my regulars are gone
23:27	blaise	seems they haven't been on since right before I fixed the lag issues
23:34	AldoBR	i have a lua question
23:34	AldoBR	if I table.insert(table, "string")
23:34	AldoBR	can "string" be duplicates ?
23:34	AldoBR	i mean
23:34	AldoBR	table.insert(table, "test")
23:34	AldoBR	table.insert(table, "test") again
23:34	AldoBR	will the table have two "test" entries ?
23:38	VanessaE	it will.
23:38	VanessaE	at two different, adjacent indexes
23:38	VanessaE	if you did one right after the other that is
23:38	AldoBR	i need a way to avoid duplication
23:39	VanessaE	e.g. [1] = "test", [2] = "test", [3] = nil
23:39	AldoBR	i am writing a inventory utility lib
23:39	AldoBR	and i have a function named getstacksnames
23:39	AldoBR	it returns the name of everything that is in a inventory
23:39	jin_xi	or you can use the string as index and store a quantity for example
23:40	jin_xi	then you can check if its in the table already easily
23:40	AldoBR	if i understand correctly, i am doing it wrongly, becouse that function would return duplicate entries
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23:41	kaeza	AldoBR, https://gist.github.com/kaeza/a9aacd6163c922da326f
23:45	RealBadAngel	before insterting check for key
23:45	RealBadAngel	if its null then insert new entry
23:47	RealBadAngel	if table["key"] == NULL then
23:47	VanessaE	nil*
23:47	RealBadAngel	erm i mean NIL ;)
23:47	AldoBR	thanks
23:48	RealBadAngel	ninja'd as usual ;)
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