IRC log for #minetest, 2014-07-13

Time	Nick	Message
00:00	hoodedice	I think the camera rotates around an invisible pivot, and if I can decrease a radius between the camera and pivot center
00:00	hoodedice	WE CAN HAVE A REALISTIC FIRST PERSON VIEW!!!!
00:00	LemonLake	hoodedice: in most cases, the world rotates around the 'camera'
00:00	LemonLake	giving it the feel of the camera rotating
00:01	hoodedice	Lemon, I think you can cover it up from all sides, except one which is partly covered, with a measuring aid on that side
00:01	hoodedice	Why is it closed on top?
00:01	Hirato_	boy, a lot of lava sure came out of that tank ;)
00:01	LemonLake	this is literally a super simple framed_glass design
00:01	LemonLake	glasslike_framed*
00:01	hoodedice	Also, if that were so, why doesn't the world rotate when others look around in multiplayer?
00:02	LemonLake	hoodedice: because it's clientside, duh?
00:03	hoodedice	lua modding is serverside... hmm...
00:03	hoodedice	Let me see if I can make anything out of the camera src
00:05	LemonLake	hoodedice: ill fiddle around with the textures on the tank, maybe
00:06	LemonLake	problem is, nobody has used this new glasslike_framed so it's difficult to find things on it
00:08	LemonLake	hoodedice: thinking about it, param2 is used so there's no rotation
00:08	LemonLake	a gauge would be useless
00:08	hoodedice	rotation?
00:08	LemonLake	well, covers and a gauge
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00:08	LemonLake	may as well have the whole thing glass
00:09	hoodedice	I don't know much about node modification, so thisis beyond me
00:09	hoodedice	In fact, I still suck at lua mods
00:09	LemonLake	then why are you messing in the c++?
00:09	hoodedice	Because
00:09	hoodedice	Hypothesis
00:10	hoodedice	I found out that lua mod side allowed for camera manips
00:10	hoodedice	But the C++ code limited it. I removed the limitation
00:10	hoodedice	Now I find that this moves the camera and pivot point relative to player
00:11	LemonLake	okay, texture 3 is top + bottom face
00:11	LemonLake	i can probably add a little square that you put the liquids into, actually
00:11	hoodedice	So, I need to find how the camera actually moves in minetest (As you said that it could be moving the world instead of camera)
00:11	hoodedice	And then find a way to reduce the pivot distance
00:12	LemonLake	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soBzmWnaRik
00:12	LemonLake	tanks ^.^
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00:14	hoodedice	Amount of water it fills seems unrealistic
00:14	LemonLake	yeah, probably gonna make it fill less.
00:15	LemonLake	i.e. 8 buckets per tank
00:15	hoodedice	Well, I'll just say that the bucket is a thumbtack
00:15	hoodedice	Or whatever you call that tiny thing that sewers wear
00:15	hoodedice	*tailors
00:16	LemonLake	okay, im happy with this tank design
00:17	hoodedice	most MT devs are prolly sleeping...
00:17	LemonLake	they sleep this early?
00:17	hoodedice	> Europeans
00:17	LemonLake	im in the uk, anyway
00:18	LemonLake	quite early here xD
00:18	hoodedice	I would imagine it to be either 8 or 9 pm
00:18	hoodedice	And most of them are Germans, and/or Finnish
00:18	hoodedice	SO a further 1 hour
00:18	LemonLake	America is ~8pm
00:18	LemonLake	in the UK it is 1 AM
00:18	hoodedice	7:20, CST.
00:18	LemonLake	So in Europe it is 2 AM
00:18	hoodedice	-.-
00:18	hoodedice	2 AM is early. -.-
00:19	LemonLake	yep :P
00:19	hoodedice	Well, not everyone is nocturnal.
00:19	LemonLake	I'm a night owl.
00:19	LemonLake	So I usually stay awake around this time because I get more owrk done
00:19	LemonLake	work done*
00:19	hoodedice	That's why neither you nor I are core devs =P
00:19	LemonLake	lol :P
00:19	LemonLake	I'm not confident enough to work on a team
00:20	LemonLake	Plus, I don't understand the codebase.
00:20	hoodedice	I don't know C++
00:20	hoodedice	Not even lua
00:20	LemonLake	I know fair C+
00:20	hoodedice	Does such a thing even exist?
00:20	hoodedice	"C+"
00:20	LemonLake	C++*
00:20	LemonLake	Tanks update: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/iukAn2u8GWps.png
00:20	LemonLake	do they look better now?
00:21	hoodedice	ya
00:23	LemonLake	I think the water tank will hold 16 buckets, and the lava tank 8
00:23	LemonLake	since lava is a much thicker liquid
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00:29	LemonLake	whew. that was a nights worth of work
00:29	fireglow	nice, LemonLake
00:29	LemonLake	quite happy with this update so far. mesecons support, pipeworks autocrafter inbuilt, swappers, fans and storage tanks
00:29	LemonLake	plus various bugfixes
00:30	LemonLake	also made the crafting recipes less harsh
00:30	fireglow	can you fill them up all the way? I'm thinking about decoration here
00:30	LemonLake	of course
00:30	LemonLake	they dont take as much liquid as shown anymore
00:32	hoodedice	Wow, you even supported so many mods!
00:32	LemonLake	pipeworks already worked with it
00:32	LemonLake	just people were too nooby to add it themselves, so i did it for them
00:32	LemonLake	it was a simple config change
00:33	LemonLake	fireglow: http://i.imgur.com/cDy3RD3.png
00:33	LemonLake	(mediacrush is borked again)
00:36	fireglow	LemonLake: nice!!
00:36	fireglow	I love it
00:37	hoodedice	Lemon, I realise that this will indeed take a huge rewrite
00:37	* hoodedice	goes back to lua.
00:44	LemonLake	okay, im going to hit sleep
00:44	hoodedice	bye
00:44	LemonLake	got some good work done today
00:44	LemonLake	goodnight!
00:55	alket	any option to return to first position when i started world , I'm lost , can't go back :p
00:58	hoodedice	hmm, alket did you type /grant singleplayer all
00:58	hoodedice	ever?
00:58	alket	no
00:58	hoodedice	If you didn't do that now
00:58	ShadowNinja	alket: Do you remember what your position was? If not, look in debug.txt for lines like "alket digs default:dirt at (1,2,3)" and /teleport to there.
00:58	alket	thanks
00:58	hoodedice	once done, type /teleport 0,0,0
00:58	alket	really , this is cool :0
00:58	alket	thanks
00:59	ShadowNinja	alket: And /sethome for next time. :-)
00:59	hoodedice	Shadow, I think he needs to go origin(?)
00:59	alket	thanks
00:59	hoodedice	./sethome is default now?
00:59	hoodedice	wow.
00:59	ShadowNinja	hoodedice: You usually spawn near origin, but you can be a few hundred nodes out.
00:59	ShadowNinja	hoodedice: Yep, was added to _game in the _NeXt merge.
01:08	fireglow	how do I disable TNT?
01:08	fireglow	on a server
01:09	Zeno`	just delete the directory
01:10	fireglow	I'll create a empty tnt/init.lua
01:10	Zeno`	or do that, deleting the directory will work as well
01:10	fireglow	ok, cheers
01:11	fireglow	phew, I had forgotten to disable it
01:11	fireglow	luckily no damage done
01:20	alket	how to own land in servers ?
01:20	alket	/sethome doesn't owkr
01:22	alket	figured it out :)
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02:06	uint	Hello everybody. When I started minetest in Ubuntu GNOME 14.04, text was not displayed. Places where should display text like "Singleplayer", "Multiplayer" were all blank.
02:06	uint	The following is messages in the terminal
02:06	uint	Irrlicht Engine version 1.8.1
02:07	uint	Linux 3.13.0-31-generic #55-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 1 15:51:53 UTC 2014 x86_64
02:07	uint	Using renderer: OpenGL 3.0
02:07	uint	Gallium 0.4 on AMD RV710: X.Org
02:07	uint	OpenGL driver version is 1.2 or better.
02:07	uint	GLSL version: 1.3
02:07	uint	10:04:53: ERROR[main]: WARNING: Font file was not found. Using default font.
02:07	uint	Loaded texture: /usr/share/games/minetest/games/minetest_game/menu/header.png
02:07	uint	Loaded texture: /usr/share/games/minetest/games/minetest_game/menu/icon.png
02:07	uint	Loaded texture: /usr/share/games/minetest/games/minimal/menu/icon.png
02:07	uint	Loaded texture: /usr/share/games/minetest/games/minetest_game/menu/header.png
02:08	uint	And several seconds after program started, segment fault occurred
02:14	* Partmedia	had a few bus errors like that, too
02:14	Partmedia	but now it disappeared :(
02:35	AnotherBrick	I remember there was a discussion about bundling different games into minetest. like Next, nodetest, carbon etc. Did they abandon that idea?
02:36	Vazon	Next was merged in to Minetest_game but other wise no further input was added
02:42	AnotherBrick	next merged into minetest_game? guess that's where tnt came from..
02:43	AnotherBrick	does that mean that minetest_game isn't frozen for mew features?
02:43	AnotherBrick	s/mew/new
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06:10	nman3600	hi
06:13	VanessaE	hi
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06:20	nman3600	I've been watching a new anime :)
06:21	nman3600	OldCoder, When's the next time mark's server will be up?
06:21	OldCoder	Hi
06:22	OldCoder	Isn't it up now?
06:22	OldCoder	nman3600, ^
06:22	OldCoder	Ah
06:22	OldCoder	The timeout bug again
06:22	OldCoder	nman3600, there is a bug he has had twice in a day now
06:22	nman3600	Haven't seen it on the server list for ages.
06:22	OldCoder	The world just says timeout
06:23	OldCoder	He needs to speak with the core devs about that
06:23	OldCoder	I'll restart it again
06:23	OldCoder	But I have no way to fix the bug
06:23	OldCoder	Restarting; allow a few minutes
06:24	OldCoder	nman3600, restarted
06:24	nman3600	OldCoder, Thanks.
06:24	OldCoder	Well, I'd like to fix it permanently
06:25	nman3600	OldCoder, Still not re-added the go_places.
06:25	OldCoder	Rephrase
06:25	OldCoder	I do not understand
06:26	nman3600	before goto_places bugged out (a while back) There was set places. The updated mod has removed them.
06:27	nman3600	OldCoder, ^
06:27	OldCoder	nman3600, I do not understand
06:27	OldCoder	What are you referring to?
06:27	nman3600	The goto_places mod on mark's server.
06:28	OldCoder	I do not know about this. Please speak with markv.
06:28	nman3600	You updated multitest on mark's server, Thanks OldCoder!
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06:30	OldCoder	Um, yw
06:30	nman3600	OldCoder, Could you consider adding a coloured glass mod (That's if mark agrees)
06:30	OldCoder	Sure
06:31	nman3600	I want to build a skyscraper but It needs coloured glass for my design
06:31	OldCoder	kk
06:31	OldCoder	nman3600, the timeout error is serious
06:31	OldCoder	It needs to be looked at
06:31	OldCoder	Has taken down his world twice in a day
06:32	nman3600	Have you asked VanessaE Or Calinou?
06:32	nman3600	They might know how to fix it.
06:32	OldCoder	I do not have the time to research this. It is up to the world owners.
06:32	OldCoder	Speak with markv please
06:35	nman3600	I've tried, OldCoder, He's not awake I think.
06:35	OldCoder	I meant
06:35	OldCoder	when possible
06:35	OldCoder	It is not a one-day issue
06:40	Miner_48er	VanessaE why do moretrees:fir_leaves_bright not decay?
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06:45	VanessaE	Miner_48er: idk, must be a bug
06:46	VanessaE	hm, the code looks right.
06:46	Miner_48er	I've tested with a 4/21/14 version that didn't decay and on VS they turn to entirites of moretrees:fir_leaves
06:47	VanessaE	well apr 21 is old but nothing since then affects those
06:47	VanessaE	however,
06:47	VanessaE	my code does not drop them as entities
06:48	VanessaE	it decays them like the default code does.
06:48	VanessaE	or wait
06:49	Miner_48er	those where my results on your server
06:49	VanessaE	yeah it does
06:49	VanessaE	I forgot about that legacy item
06:51	Miner_48er	so is that supposed to happen?
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06:52	VanessaE	oops
06:52	Miner_48er	so is that supposed to happen?
06:52	VanessaE	so wait, you're saying they DO decay, but they drop as items instead of just disappearing?
06:52	Miner_48er	yes on your server they did
06:52	VanessaE	that's normal.
06:52	VanessaE	that's how the original conifers mod did it, I wanted to keep the old behavior.
06:53	VanessaE	I may actually change the other trees to do the same thing
06:53	VanessaE	seeing as how we have auto-expiry and auto-merge of dropped items now
06:54	VanessaE	remind me tomorrow (say in 8-10 hours) about this? I'll try to make it configurable.
06:55	VanessaE	(my servers will be configured to drop as items since I have auto-pickup, auto-merge, and auto-expire)
06:56	Miner_48er	ok
07:03	VanessaE	hm, no..
07:03	VanessaE	my code shouldn't be doing that at all now that I look at it
07:03	VanessaE	or, it should do it for ALL trees
07:03	VanessaE	not just firs
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07:05	* VanessaE	tests...
07:10	* VanessaE	waits for the placed leaves to decay...
07:11	* nman3600	continues watching anime.
07:13	* nman3600	SCREAMS AT THE BUFFERING
07:13	nman3600	LOAD LOAD BUFFER NOOO NO BUFFERRRRR
07:14	VanessaE	well rubber tree and default tree leaves disappear as expected.
07:14	nman3600	Yay.
07:15	VanessaE	there go the dark fir "leaves".
07:16	VanessaE	ah
07:16	VanessaE	bright fir leaves dropped out as an item
07:16	VanessaE	ok.
07:16	VanessaE	AH
07:17	VanessaE	I see why
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07:18	VanessaE	Miner_48er: I'll fix it tomorrow.
07:18	VanessaE	at least in dreambuilder
07:18	VanessaE	I pushed the fix to moretrees just now though
07:26	VanessaE	I'm testing the config idea in dreambuilder now.
07:26	VanessaE	or rather in moretrees by way of DB.
07:34	LemonLake	"However, it will be done before client-side Lua is added,"
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07:34	LemonLake	well hey, nore just confirmed that client-sude lua IS comign
07:35	nore	client-side Lua is planned to come
07:35	LemonLake	I can get down with that
07:35	nore	and that's one of the things that will have to be done before it is added
07:36	nore	but you may have to wait more that a year to get client-side lua
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07:37	LemonLake	oh well
07:37	LemonLake	at least it's coming
07:38	LemonLake	VanessaE: do you have a pipe API?
07:39	VanessaE	LemonLake: you mean the steel pipes? kinda-sorta
07:39	LemonLake	actually, it's wtfpl
07:39	VanessaE	it's not exactly documented but there are basic functions for autorouting, adding water, and a few others.
07:39	VanessaE	but it needs rewritten
07:39	LemonLake	would you mind if i...literally copied the pipes for a 'fuel pipe'?
07:39	VanessaE	see the new_flow_logic branch
07:39	VanessaE	go right ahead
07:39	LemonLake	okay, thanks ^.^
07:39	LemonLake	gonna credit you
07:39	VanessaE	but please use the new_flow_logic branch as your basis
07:40	VanessaE	I'd much prefer to see that branch put into use and pipeworks rebased against it in the future
07:40	LemonLake	okay
07:40	VanessaE	it's much MUCH better than the mainline code, I just don't have time to complete it
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07:45	VanessaE	Miner_48er: check moretrees last two commits. that should fix it.
07:46	VanessaE	I'll deploy it to the server in time for the morning restart, hopefully
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08:03	hoodedice	hi Krock
08:03	Krock	hi hoodedice
08:03	LemonLake	whoa
08:03	LemonLake	hoodedice: you're still here?
08:03	LemonLake	I really didn't get much sleep, in that case...
08:03	hoodedice	slept and woke up
08:04	Krock	omg,I slept and woke up, too
08:04	Krock	:3
08:04	hoodedice	4 hours of sleep
08:04	LemonLake	sounds like me
08:04	hoodedice	well
08:05	hoodedice	I woke up because Religion
08:05	hoodedice	can't be like you haha
08:06	* hoodedice	killed chat with Religion
08:07	LemonLake	still alive
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08:09	reactor	Morning!
08:09	reactor	Why does minetestserver max out cpu when _I_ join?
08:09	LemonLake	because you're a reactor
08:09	hoodedice	3 fucking am
08:09	reactor	sad laughter
08:09	hoodedice	"morning"
08:09	reactor	hoodedice: I know that feeling, oh I do.
08:10	reactor	I bloody do.
08:10	hoodedice	k
08:10	reactor	But seriously, I how come? That's the last thing I would expect from client and server of matching version?
08:11	reactor	s/ I h/h/
08:11	LemonLake	hmm...I think pipe work s now
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08:11	LemonLake	just gotta test them
08:12	hoodedice	reactor, your own server?
08:12	reactor	Yes.
08:12	hoodedice	same pc as client?
08:13	reactor	Exactly.
08:13	hoodedice	same fucking minetest instance?
08:13	hoodedice	you son of a gun, you got me good
08:13	reactor	Eh?
08:13	reactor	Separate processes.
08:13	LemonLake	^
08:13	hoodedice	oh, separate...
08:14	LemonLake	i would think that would be pretty obvious, actually
08:14	hoodedice	well, try joining from another pc...
08:14	hoodedice	lemon, not obvious
08:14	LemonLake	VanessaE: I think I've got them working
08:14	reactor	How would that change it?
08:15	reactor	I can see which process eats up resources -- it's clearly the server.
08:15	hoodedice	because the latency between your server and client is low
08:16	hoodedice	your server processes a lot of your client's requests as compared to those of others
08:16	LemonLake	^ TIL
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08:17	hoodedice	thus, your CPU usage goes up, because the connection between your server and client is fast
08:17	hoodedice	switching to another PC will increase latency, hence increasing time between requests and lowering CPU usage
08:18	hoodedice	this is the long explanation
08:18	hoodedice	the short one is: Your CPU is running two fucking instances of minetest
08:18	hoodedice	using two PCs will lower the load
08:19	hoodedice	I should stop talking to Jordach... I am cussing too much
08:19	sfan5	meow
08:19	MinetestBot	sfan5: 07-09 03:55 UTC <hoodedice> "ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: LevelDB error: Corruption: bad block type" crazyR
08:19	sfan5	hi everyone
08:19	MinetestBot	sfan5: 07-13 04:30 UTC <hoodedice> hoodedice thanks you for cmake-gui, again
08:20	sfan5	-
08:20	LemonLake	ãƒ‹ãƒ£ãƒ¼
08:20	MinetestBot	LemonLake: 07-12 04:49 UTC <Jordach> https://cdn.mediacru.sh/k45MTACSoKEl.png
08:20	hoodedice	lol sfan
08:20	LemonLake	u wot mate
08:20	LemonLake	ah, sfan5 woke Minetestbot up
08:20	reactor	Oh well. That problem has never happened before.
08:20	sfan5	<sfan5> MinetestBot: reload tel
08:20	sfan5	not exactly
08:21	LemonLake	!tell Jordach mate that render looks sick
08:21	MinetestBot	LemonLake: yeah, yeah
08:21	reactor	How is that supposed to suddenly be sending "too fast"?
08:21	hoodedice	that first error I sent out by tell is pretty late
08:21	hoodedice	reactor, please complain too sfan
08:22	hoodedice	when a person is sleepy, they tend to act like drunks
08:22	Zeno`	sending too fast? Sounds like bullshit to me
08:23	hoodedice	surely, when I see the logs next morning, I would probably contemplate suicide over whatever bullshit I said 5 minutes ago
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08:48	nman3600	Krock, Can I have a link to the newest mini map pic for your server.
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08:49	Krock	nman3600, latest server post is alays updated
08:49	nman3600	Krock, Can I have a link.
08:49	LemonLake	nman3600: ....
08:49	LemonLake	stop being lazy
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08:49	Krock	https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=10
08:49	LemonLake	http://i.imgur.com/7KNFRaF.jpg
08:50	LemonLake	gosh, nman3600, you really don't know how to look at a forum post, do you?
08:50	CWz	I noticed that installers are nolonger being made for stable version of minetest for windows
08:50	nman3600	LemonLake, I do, I just can't be bothered.
08:50	LemonLake	hey, i can see our forest on that map :P
08:50	sfan5	LemonLake: >jpg
08:50	sfan5	it burns
08:50	sfan5	it hurts
08:51	sfan5	D:
08:51	LemonLake	sfan5: imgur automatically turns the quality to jpg if its a big image
08:51	LemonLake	Krocks fault for using imgur, not mine
08:51	sfan5	-> https://mediacru.sh
08:51	sfan5	ah
08:51	sfan5	Krock: pls
08:51	Calinou	Fedora 20 boots a few seconds faster than Debian testing in VirtualBox
08:51	Krock	xD
08:51	LemonLake	Krock: just switch to mediacrush
08:51	Calinou	hi
08:51	Calinou	LemonLake, if you're registered, the compression limit goes from 1 MB to 5 MB
08:51	Krock	nah. good ol' imgur
08:51	Calinou	but still, imgur isn't worth using
08:51	LemonLake	^
08:51	Calinou	mediacru.sh or lut.im are better (-:
08:52	* sfan5	cites something
08:52	sfan5	'By uploading a file [...] you grant Imgur a non-exclusive, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable worldwide license [...] to display online and in any present or future media, to create derivative works of [...] any such file or content.'
08:52	Calinou	<sfan5> LemonLake: >jpg
08:52	Calinou	I upload my screenshots in .jpg, much faster
08:52	Calinou	.png isn't worth it for game screenshots
08:52	Calinou	~400 KB vs 2 to 4 MBâ€¦
08:52	sfan5	.jpg is bad for detailed things
08:52	LemonLake	^
08:52	LemonLake	jpg is for photographs.
08:52	LemonLake	That's about it
08:53	Calinou	the screenshots I post in screenshot thread are all .jpg, nobody seems to really notice the loss of detail due to the size you view them at
08:53	Calinou	(but you can click them to enlarge them)
08:53	Calinou	if they were all .png, loading time would be awfully long
08:53	LemonLake	Calinou trolling: uncompressed jpg
08:53	LemonLake	(trollface)
08:53	Calinou	(like it already is due to many people using .png :P)
08:53	sfan5	jpg is never uncompressed
08:53	Calinou	I use â€œconvertâ€ command, no idea what quality is that
08:53	Calinou	probably 90
08:53	sfan5	jpg is for photographs and looks horrible for everything under 85 percent quality
08:54	sfan5	+else
08:54	Calinou	I've never thought of uploading a map in .jpg format, but it's a good idea to not make it too long to load
08:54	LemonLake	or do it like dynmap
08:54	LemonLake	have separate little images and load whats necessary
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08:54	Calinou	I have yet to see such a thing
08:55	Calinou	it's still bandwidth-consuming to do that
08:55	LemonLake	dynmap is generally smart
08:55	LemonLake	but yes, bandwidth-consuming
08:55	* sfan5	meows at Guest29043
08:55	* LemonLake	growls at Guest29043
08:55	* sfan5	purrs at Guest29043
08:55	* LemonLake	claws at Guest29043
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08:58	Calinou	what I'd just like to see is a tool to pan-move over the mapper images, that's all
08:58	Calinou	and zoom on them easily
08:58	Calinou	instead of using in-browser tools which are inconsistent and not so good
08:58	sfan5	leaftlet.js
08:58	LemonLake	^
08:58	sfan5	-t
08:59	LemonLake	http://leafletjs.com/
09:00	* whiskers75	meows at sfan5
09:00	* sfan5	meows at whiskers75
09:00	Calinou	does it let you scroll over a static image?
09:00	LemonLake	i suppose you can combine leaflet with imagemagick
09:00	Calinou	can you implement it without PHP (eg. for use with Dropbox)?
09:00	LemonLake	chop it up into 16x16 tiles
09:00	LemonLake	Calinou: it's javascript.
09:01	LemonLake	"Weighing just about 33 KB of JS, it has all the features most developers ever need for online maps."
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09:05	MinetestBot	GIT: Novatux commited to minetest/minetest: Fix crash reported here: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9726 24a631e 2014-07-13T11:05:07+02:00 http://git.io/zWl72A
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09:06	PenguinDad	Leafleft.js looks good
09:06	PenguinDad	-f
09:09	Zeno`	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1418 <-- Why are people writing cpp macros like that? They potentially introduce hard to find bugs. Wrap x in parenthesis
09:09	VanessaE	bbl
09:09	MinetestBot	VanessaE: 07-11 11:22 UTC <nore> <BlockMen> Looks good to me, except the steel ingot. Why you made it dark and not shiny?
09:09	Zeno`	Fair enough it's just a stringify macro, but...
09:09	LemonLake	cya VanessaE
09:09	VanessaE	um, little late there, miss bot :P
09:09	LemonLake	sfan5 made it work again :P
09:10	sfan5	I wish
09:10	LemonLake	you somehow did
09:10	sfan5	tell.py is very broken
09:10	sfan5	and I can't find the bug
09:10	sfan5	<sfan5> MinetestBot: reload tell
09:10	sfan5	makes it work again
09:10	LemonLake	call in the exterminators then
09:10	LemonLake	get them to gas it out
09:10	sfan5	but after some time it breaks again
09:14	Zeno`	so much annoys me in this code
09:14	Zeno`	I should just settle down
09:14	Zeno`	sigh
09:18	Zeno`	http://codepad.org/Yn1vJoGX
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09:20	Zeno`	someday someone will use that macro in a weird way and all hell will break loose
09:22	LemonLake	Okay, pipes can successfully take liquid from tanks
09:26	Zeno`	http://codepad.org/2VxiUKpU
09:26	reactor	Why exactly does it half only the second number, and then add the first one?
09:26	reactor	halve*
09:26	Zeno`	precedence
09:27	reactor	Ah I see, no parentheses.
09:27	Zeno`	2 + 8 / 2 is 2 + 4
09:27	Zeno`	yes
09:28	Zeno`	it can cause all sorts of problems
09:28	reactor	(n) / 2
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09:58	jp	test
09:58	LemonLake	test
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10:00	PenguinDad	chest
10:01	jp	@join crasse.inframonde.net
10:02	reactor	Good news! It thrashes CPU even when someone else joins.
10:03	reactor	This has never happened before, it could handle up to 30 players.
10:05	Zeno`	fantastic news :)
10:05	CWz	actually that sound more like bad news
10:05	Zeno`	cpu is usage if more efficient than 5 or 6 weeks ago though
10:05	Zeno`	so... weird
10:06	reactor	I'm seeing rollback going mad.
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10:06	reactor	It's flooding the log with messages like "16:03:18: INFO[ServerThread]: RollbackManager::reportAction():" for nodes that no one ever touched (the player was just walking on them!)
10:06	Zeno`	why is rollback in action?
10:07	* jp	slaps Amaz_ around a bit with a large E71-1
10:10	PenguinDad	Eww a nokia phone
10:10	reactor	Why not?
10:10	reactor	There's a nice terminal client for them.
10:12	reactor	CWz: "Good news!" was in massive quotes of sarcasm.
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10:13	PenguinDad	reactor: I'm not sure if there's a terminal client for this one https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Nokia_1200_Macic7_01.jpg
10:13	reactor	Heh. I meant Symbian phones.
10:17	crazyR	does anyone know if theres a reason the sign formspec dont have location or size's attached to them, they look like this: field[text;;${text}]
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10:17	crazyR	yet the wiki states they should have the location and size info before the text
10:18	crazyR	before the field name i mean
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10:20	jp	exact, i'm on symbian now
10:20	Krock	GIT: SmallJoker commited to SmallJoker/noisetest: Add flat areas ccc7002 2014-07-13T12:18:07+02:00 https://github.com/SmallJoker/noisetest/commit/ccc7002
10:22	PenguinDad	Kick Krock she's a unauthorized bot!
10:22	* Krock	slaps PenguinDad
10:23	PenguinDad	Krock: why?
10:23	Krock	Aggressive unauthorized bot
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10:23	MinetestBot	Jordach: 07-13 13:21 UTC <LemonLake> mate that render looks sick
10:26	Jordach	huh?
10:26	Jordach	wtf MinetestBot
10:26	* Jordach	is conufused by the date
10:26	LemonLake	Jordach: different timezone
10:26	* PenguinDad	is confused by the time
10:26	Krock	<LemonLake>!tell Jordach mate that render looks sick
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10:28	LemonLake	oh hey
10:28	LemonLake	look what i found in the factory world: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/29cghz4wigrS.png
10:29	* PenguinDad	nyans at LemonLake
10:29	LemonLake	PenguinDad: ãƒ‹ãƒ£ãƒ¼ :P
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10:30	* Jordach	stars ctrl+f12 in blender
10:33	sfan5	Jordach: http://meow.minetest.net/tiles/
10:33	LemonLake	ah, leaflet?
10:33	sfan5	yes
10:33	LemonLake	that's good
10:33	LemonLake	do you think you'd be able to enable zooming?
10:33	sfan5	yes
10:33	sfan5	but that would make no sense
10:34	sfan5	it would only be on pixel -> more pixels (of the same color)
10:34	sfan5	..
10:34	sfan5	minetestmapper could probably be changed to use the top texture of the node
10:35	LemonLake	i mean, zoom out.
10:37	Krock	http://i.imgur.com/lC5htXn.png
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10:38	Krock	sfan5, aagh.. that minetestmapper generates very good maps...
10:39	sfan5	LemonLake: yes, I could enable that
10:39	PenguinDad	there's the depressed ice face again \o/
10:40	sfan5	lol
10:40	Krock	where?
10:40	PenguinDad	sfan5: http://meow.minetest.net/tiles/tile_2_8.png
10:40	PenguinDad	^ Krock
10:40	Krock	oh
10:40	Krock	:)
10:44	LemonLake	god...i really don't know what to add to factory
10:45	Jordach	blackjack and hookers
10:45	Krock	add some mining machines
10:45	LemonLake	mining machines? sounds interesting
10:48	LemonLake	okay, that will work then
10:55	Hirato_	hmmm... new release of minetest :O
10:55	Hirato_	changelog: Removed finite liquid and weather (proller)
10:55	Hirato_	Hmmm... does this mean freeminer's going to gloat about having those? :P
10:57	LemonLake	most likely, yes.
10:57	Hirato_	haha
11:00	Hirato_	rofl
11:00	Hirato_	looking at the last few commits
11:01	Hirato_	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/2d90aca4ab876e3254f219b1d37f49257556d456 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/3feece1f2887eda368c0a9e42e3ab26b4b754354 like these too
11:01	Hirato_	it's like he just rage-quit and took all his contributions with him, ahahaha
11:03	Krock	it's still possible to revert those changes or to use an older minetest build to have some maths-fun
11:05	Hirato_	I see proller's made a lot of 'race' fixes in freeminer
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11:07	Hirato_	I see sfan5 isn't kirino anymore
11:07	PenguinDad	Hirato_: Freeminer making the impossible possible with tons of black magic and segfaults :D
11:07	Hirato_	haha
11:12	crazyR	come on guys, he is just trying to make a good game like everyone else. heck minetest gets its fair share of seg faults some times
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11:23	LemonLake	Is it wise to store a node owner in metadata?
11:23	LemonLake	In order to check if they have permission at an area
11:26	Hirato_	speaking of kirino, I just remembered this image someone posted in my Persona 4 let's play http://i.imgur.com/xINxLal.jpg
11:27	LemonLake	dat mousepad
11:27	LemonLake	whoa
11:28	LemonLake	im gonna watch that anime. now.
11:29	LemonLake	and its on animebox <3
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11:30	LemonLake	i swear i recognise that voice actor
11:31	Hirato_	ore no imouto isn't a very good animu
11:31	LemonLake	Ah
11:31	LemonLake	He's the same voice actor for Okazaki in Clannad <3
11:31	LemonLake	knew it!
11:32	LemonLake	AND corpse party, knew I'd heard that voice before clannad
11:32	LemonLake	AND hyouka
11:32	LemonLake	dude, this is the voice actor of all my fave animes
11:32	SylvieLorxu	That means you have a terrible taste
11:32	LemonLake	lol
11:32	LemonLake	i do
11:32	Hirato_	ahaha
11:32	Hirato_	boku no pico is great... maybe you could watch it?
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11:33	SylvieLorxu	Hirato_: Y u troll LemonLake?
11:33	SylvieLorxu	I mean, that's just mean :P
11:33	Hirato_	implying I tone it down for anyone ._>
11:33	SylvieLorxu	Although it sounds cute enough...
11:34	SylvieLorxu	But knowing basic anime, it's probably not cute
11:34	PenguinDad	Hirato_: go take the lemons!
11:34	LemonLake	srsly do
11:34	LemonLake	i love nakamura's voice
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11:37	sfan5	Hirato_: yes, thats right
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11:41	Hirato_	sfan5: about boku no pico being great?
11:42	sfan5	<Hirato_> I see sfan5 isn't kirino anymore
11:42	Hirato_	haha
11:42	Hirato_	so why ika musume?
11:43	sfan5	because https://cdn.mediacru.sh/_3jOam8IDem7.jpg
11:43	Hirato_	gods
11:53	LemonLake	sfan5: you've seen ore no imouto ga konnani kawaii wake ga nai?
11:54	LemonLake	thinking about it, long title
11:54	sfan5	yes, I've seen oreimo
11:54	LemonLake	how recent is it?
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11:55	sfan5	>Aired: Oct 3, 2010 to Dec 19, 2010
11:55	reactor	Woah!
11:55	reactor	17:54 <@reactor> It's totally rollback.
12:01	LemonLake	okay thanks
12:06	sfan5	>Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; Long li
12:06	sfan5	ve Windows XP!)
12:06	sfan5	o.O
12:17	SylvieLorxu	https://i.4cdn.org/g/1405249136219.png
12:19	Jordach	>Jordach >Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:30.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/30.0
12:31	reactor	Ñ‰?
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13:01	Jordach	sfan5, i.imgur.com/okZmdgh.jpg
13:01	Jordach	http://i.imgur.com/okZmdgh.jpg
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13:14	sfan5	Jordach: meow
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13:16	* hoodedice	suffers from sleeping problems
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13:25	Jordach	hoodedice, sleep motherfucker sleep
13:25	Jordach	don't make me fly over there
13:26	Jordach	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E--R1n3O_m4
13:27	hoodedice	Jordach, 8:30 am
13:28	Jordach	http://jamesfriend.com.au/pce-js/pce-js-apps/ WOOOOOOOOOOO
13:28	hoodedice	Problem is: I slept from 9 pm to 2 am. Then couldn't sleep afterwards. I can't sleep because I slept enough, but also want to sleep because I might fall asleep at a bad time
13:29	hoodedice	Sucks to run that emu on Xubuntu
13:30	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/l0g_q-ezCQBf.png
13:30	Jordach	MS Word everybody
13:32	hoodedice	I miss Windows 98
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13:35	hoodedice	I'm gonna buy a pi
13:35	hoodedice	Got my allowance, and a $10 coupon. XD
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13:42	PenguinDad	hoodedice: Strawberry es are much better
13:43	hoodedice	lmgt
13:43	hoodedice	I'm not getting anything relevant (?)
13:44	PenguinDad	hoodedice: you don't get the joke do you?
13:44	hoodedice	I was not sure if it was a joke.
13:44	sfan5	hoodedice: buy a banana pi
13:44	hoodedice	-.-
13:44	hoodedice	Is that also a joke?
13:44	sfan5	no
13:45	hoodedice	> China.
13:45	hoodedice	But raspi is also China anyway
13:45	sfan5	yeah
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13:45	sfan5	soldered in UK, but the CPU is probably from China anyway
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13:46	PenguinDad	And if the CPU is not from China it's from another asian country
13:47	hoodedice	sfan, $50 for banana pi?
13:47	hoodedice	I can't spare that much, I'm getting the pi for $30
13:48	sfan5	lol
13:48	hoodedice	What? Spare some pity for a poor college student
13:48	* VanessaE	peeks in
13:49	* sfan5	meows at VanessaE
13:49	VanessaE	hi
13:49	* hoodedice	shuts doors
13:49	* LemonLake	reads logs while the intro song plays
13:49	VanessaE	meow :)
13:49	sfan5	VanessaE: http://meow.minetest.net/tiles/
13:49	VanessaE	sfan5: kick BlockMen's ass for me re: that damn ingot texture, please? :)
13:49	LemonLake	why are anime girls always so fucking cute?
13:50	VanessaE	hm, nice viewer
13:50	hoodedice	VanessaE, I can kick it for you
13:50	sfan5	LemonLake: because moe
13:50	LemonLake	sfan5: moe?
13:50	hoodedice	Have to discuss camera with him anyway
13:50	VanessaE	LemonLake: because the Japanese aren't as uptight as the western world so they're not afraid to make their characters attractive.
13:50	sfan5	!g moe
13:50	MinetestBot	sfan5: http://www.moe.org/
13:51	sfan5	uhh nope
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13:51	hoodedice	"ooh barbie is pretty, this is bad for ugly girls, because they will feel not pretty"
13:51	LemonLake	VanessaE: i see
13:51	sfan5	!g moe site:urbandictionary.com
13:51	MinetestBot	sfan5: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moe
13:51	hoodedice	-- 'Muricans.
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13:51	VanessaE	hoodedice: more or less, yeah
13:51	hoodedice	-- -- My English Lecturer.
13:52	LemonLake	ohh
13:52	LemonLake	i see
13:52	VanessaE	sfan5: small iceberg out to the left in the middle of the water.. looks sad :(
13:52	reactor	What is that stupid gag about people saying "kivmi" instead of "give me" in MT?
13:53	reactor	"kivmi 99 ammo"
13:53	hoodedice	reactor, they are all prolly playing on iPads
13:53	sfan5	VanessaE: <PenguinDad> there's the depressed ice face again \o/
13:53	hoodedice	surprise, Minetest on iPad
13:53	hoodedice	JK, zwizzing buildcraft
13:53	hoodedice	Meowtest, 6 kids, 4 of them using build craft
13:54	reactor	Voice recognition?
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13:56	hoodedice	http://www.microcenter.com/product/414588/Raspberry_Pi_Model_B Muricans, go grab a pi if you haven't already, $10 off
13:56	* sfan5	isn't in the US
13:56	VanessaE	meh, don't care about much about the RPI
13:57	hoodedice	I don't need it... for now
13:57	reactor	Now I get it why you people don't like Buildcraft so much. Heh. It brings all kinds of idiots ingame.
13:57	hoodedice	^
13:57	VanessaE	reactor: and it's outdated
13:57	VanessaE	busted in many ways
13:57	hoodedice	Lots of white suburban teenage kids and their iPads, ostly
13:57	hoodedice	*mostly
13:57	hoodedice	(pun intended)
13:57	LemonLake	even japan takes the piss out of amazon for the amount of useless shit they put in their boxes
13:57	reactor	From Russian schoolboys who refuse to speak English and kill everyone who doesn't speak Russian to plain imbeciles who can't read.
13:58	hoodedice	I actually called out a few kids and explained them that buildcraft is illegal
13:58	hoodedice	And that they should ask their parents to download Minetest on Android instead
13:58	sfan5	hoodedice: they don't care
13:58	VanessaE	and THIS is why my servers have rules and no PvP (except on the free-for-all server)
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13:58	hoodedice	I know, but I did my job
13:58	VanessaE	read and fullow the rules or gtfo.
13:58	VanessaE	follow*
13:58	reactor	Mine have, too. Nobody ever bothers to read them. Eh.
13:59	reactor	I had to ban 50 people one day.
13:59	hoodedice	reactor, /kick is your friend.
13:59	hoodedice	oh, so you befriended /ban
13:59	reactor	Dirt houses and spawnkilling, yay \o/
13:59	hoodedice	I don't see a problem with dirt houses
13:59	LemonLake	^
13:59	reactor	They don't fit in Pripyat.
13:59	hoodedice	Thanks Lemons
13:59	LemonLake	?
13:59	hoodedice	I hope life gives me more lemons
14:00	reactor	It's okay if they were building them _behind_ big buildings.
14:00	hoodedice	"<LemonLake> ^"
14:00	sfan5	<reactor> From Russian schoolboys who refuse to speak English and kill everyone who doesn't speak Russian to plain imbeciles who can't read.
14:00	reactor	hoodedice: what's the point, you'll have to give them back!
14:00	VanessaE	on FFA I made it clear: no admin support except to deal with abusive/coarse language. players make and enforce the rules otherwise.
14:00	sfan5	I haven't seen a single kyrillic char. on meowtest yet
14:00	hoodedice	" players make and enforce the rules otherwise."
14:00	hoodedice	inb4 the following:
14:00	reactor	VanessaE: oh I gotta see that! In my place that would lead to anarchy :(
14:00	hoodedice	<noob1> Hey give me my stuff back
14:01	hoodedice	<noob2> Nooo you dropt it
14:01	VanessaE	tough shit. :)
14:01	hoodedice	<kid> noob1 stole stuff
14:01	reactor	I've tried to give some people extended privileges to ban abusers, only to see them abuse themselves.
14:01	VanessaE	sucks to be you if you can't protect your shit
14:01	hoodedice	<some guy who wants to make a community out of a server aka me> what?
14:01	VanessaE	"no admin support" --> "Griefing reports will not be accepted" (or some words to that effect)
14:02	hoodedice	<kid> noob1 stole stuff from noob2
14:02	hoodedice	<another guy> I DECLARE WAR!
14:02	hoodedice	everyone jumps on noob1
14:02	hoodedice	Neither noob1 nor noob2 are seen on the server again.
14:02	reactor	< sfan5> <reactor> From Russian schoolboys who refuse to speak English and kill everyone who doesn't speak Russian to plain imbeciles who can't read.
14:02	reactor	<_<
14:02	reactor	Overquoting.
14:10	hoodedice	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9747
14:11	hoodedice	^Why am I thinking that the problem is caused by the guy not placing torches...
14:11	reactor	< sfan5> I haven't seen a single kyrillic char
14:11	reactor	You lucky you!
14:14	PenguinDad	hoodedice: I'm thinking the same about that issue
14:16	Jordach	ShadowNinja, get your butt into the +i channel
14:17	Jordach	just found a bug
14:17	Jordach	tl;dr i can at will do /grant Jordach all on the forums
14:18	hoodedice	lel
14:19	Jordach	Founders cannot be banned, changed by non founders. (includes big perms)
14:20	Jordach	back to producing a slight transparency report :P
14:21	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/R7edVK46Hr2C.png
14:22	VanessaE	bbl
14:23	hoodedice	Avatar directory size = 3 MB
14:23	hoodedice	All avatars are just 3 zwizzing MB?!
14:23	hoodedice	lol
14:24	reactor	That's actually good.
14:24	LemonLake	anime logic
14:25	LemonLake	> makes up some fancy 'beegle' brand
14:25	LemonLake	clearly says 'google/
14:25	reactor	Rather than gigabytes of avatars and just a bunch of messages.
14:26	reactor	1080p GIF avatars, everyone! \o/
14:26	LemonLake	u,
14:26	LemonLake	um
14:27	hoodedice	\O/
14:27	reactor	\ÑŠ/
14:28	Jordach	just posted
14:28	Jordach	but my count still says 3999
14:28	Jordach	explain
14:29	hoodedice	I HAVE THE ANSWER
14:29	hoodedice	"42"
14:29	Jordach	nope
14:29	Jordach	lel
14:29	Jordach	i've actually been doing this for a while
14:30	Jordach	ecutruin1, /nick ecutruin :3
14:30	Jordach	i just noticed you're here
14:32	Jordach	btw, i used 0.2-09112011 up until Jan 2012
14:32	Jordach	because SSE2 D:
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14:36	alket	how to find my land in multiplayer server ?
14:36	alket	im lost
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14:37	fireglow	I have around 8 seconds lags with seven people on the server
14:39	AnotherBrick	alket i don't know how to find, i know how not to loose
14:39	AnotherBrick	just write down your coordinates
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14:39	hoodedice	Forgot to ask, how do you make your lua code in minetest output something?
14:39	hoodedice	like print "42"?
14:39	fireglow	lol: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=89825#p89825
14:40	alket	AnotherBrick: ah yes , thanks
14:40	Calinou	print("42")
14:40	Calinou	but what you want to use is minetest.log("action", "42")
14:40	Calinou	to log it with a timestamp and prefix
14:40	Calinou	minetest.log("error", "math is broke")
14:40	Calinou	for errors
14:40	Calinou	(will show in chat and console)
14:40	hoodedice	if I used print as is, where would I see output?
14:41	Calinou	in the console, without any prefix.
14:41	Calinou	use for mod loading prints
14:41	hoodedice	hmm, thanks
14:41	Calinou	if minetest.setting_getbool("log_mods") then print("[moreblocks] loaded.") end
14:41	Calinou	at the end of your mod :p
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14:42	hoodedice	aha, got it
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14:46	* Calinou	found a Rainbow Dash on a pixel art server
14:47	Calinou	as well as someone dating, as usual
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14:54	* Calinou	is working on diamond/Mese rebalance
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15:04	PenguinDad	Will mese finally be stronger than diamond?
15:05	Calinou	faster, but will not last long (as long as steel probably)
15:05	Calinou	diamond will have mese speed, if not slower
15:05	Calinou	TL;DR make diamond not overpowered and make Mese useful for people who already have diamond
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15:07	Calinou	Mese tools are lightweight, they do the damage as diamond, but have a lower full punch interval
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15:13	Jordach	TL;R Calinou stole my fucking idea
15:14	reactor	Jordach: http://xkcd.com/90/
15:15	Jordach	hah
15:15	Calinou	it's not stealing
15:15	PenguinDad	I wonder if there's anything like TC for minetest
15:15	Calinou	did you lose the idea from your head?
15:15	Calinou	TC?
15:15	PenguinDad	Calinou: Tinkers' Construct
15:16	Jordach	PenguinDad, i had an attempt
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15:16	Krock	hi
15:16	PenguinDad	In BFD I guess
15:18	LemonLake	PenguinDad: what part of it, specifically?
15:18	PenguinDad	hi Krock
15:18	LemonLake	or, the entire mod?
15:18	LemonLake	it's a big mod
15:18	LemonLake	I'm actually working on a mod called 'jurgen tools' which has small aspects of it
15:19	PenguinDad	LemonLake: mainly the modular tool crafting part
15:20	LemonLake	yeah
15:20	LemonLake	i have something kiiinda like that
15:20	LemonLake	but im thinking of ditching the plan
15:20	Calinou	now the hardest partâ€¦ testing the tools
15:20	LemonLake	why is that hard?
15:21	Calinou	making sure they're balanced, nothing is overpowered or underpowered
15:21	Calinou	I did an important structural change to the game
15:22	LemonLake	"WindomsGXP" "WindomsVesto"
15:22	LemonLake	facepalm
15:23	PenguinDad	LemonLake: "WisdomXD" :P
15:24	Jordach	LemonLake, Ukuntu :D
15:25	Calinou	my tweaks seem to be good, pushingâ€¦
15:25	Calinou	Jordach, Fudora (-:
15:25	Calinou	FUD-ora
15:25	Calinou	it could describe it wellâ€¦
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15:28	Calinou	Carbone: Separate detail and global glass textures, make Mese tools faster but less durable, make diamond tools slower. Make sticks easier to craft and store.
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15:32	Jordach	http://paste.debian.net/109494
15:32	Jordach	^ BFD todo list
15:35	Calinou	paste.debian.net, ugh
15:36	Calinou	http://0bin.net/ is a nice pastebin, encrypted
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15:39	jordan4ibanez	Whoa
15:40	jordan4ibanez	We can make entire biomes, map gen, structures, and water ways without any lag now?
15:45	PenguinDad	> without any lag
15:45	PenguinDad	sorry but that's impossible
15:45	LemonLake	^
15:46	Calinou	depends on server resources, jordan4ibanez, but Lua mapgen can be fast enough to be usable
15:46	Calinou	it'll still be way slower than a C++ mapgen like v6
15:54	Jordach	v7 is reasonabvle
15:54	Calinou	meh, it's not so natural
15:54	Calinou	but the good thing is, you define biomes by yourself, it's more modular
15:55	Krock	<3 lua mapgen
15:55	PenguinDad	I've always disabled the biomeblend mg_flag
15:56	Calinou	I like biomeblend
15:56	Jordach	biomeblend is a yes and no
15:56	Jordach	if V7 had it, it'd be nice
15:57	PenguinDad	but you should be able to disable it
15:59	reactor	Night!
16:01	Calinou	/time 6000
16:01	Calinou	no longer night
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16:02	fireglow	:)
16:04	Krock	/set time_speed 0
16:04	Krock	/time 12000
16:04	fireglow	someone built a glass clock again
16:04	Krock	horray!
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16:37	MinetestBot	kaeza: 07-07 18:02 UTC <Jordach> https://github.com/Jordach/big_freaking_dig/commit/694a4a8fc1190802e7b5646d8d08696f373fd973 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHfmoG4MUIQ
16:38	kaeza	MinetestBot!
16:38	MinetestBot	kaeza!
16:38	kaeza	afternoons
16:39	kaeza	Jordach, nice
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16:45	LemonLake	last episode of season 1 of ore no imouto
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16:54	MinetestBot	EvergreenTree: 07-09 15:44 UTC <rubenwardy> https://github.com/rubenwardy/NodeBoxEditor/blob/master/CMakeLists.txt#L23 try changing to find_package(PNG version REQUIRED) where version is the version of libpng. ie: find_package(PNG 12.3.6 REQUIRED). If it doesn't work, fiddle around with quotes ("12.3.6") and full versions (libpng-12.3.6)
17:11	LemonLake	that anime was actually really good
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17:26	MinetestBot	BlockMen: 07-07 04:22 UTC <hoodedice> Need to edit Wiki main page to reflect latest Minetest Version
17:26	MinetestBot	GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest_game: Add protection to TNT (by @tenplus1) 3180bdf 2014-07-13T19:24:57+02:00 http://git.io/PZQNBg
17:28	sfan5	Calinou: http://meow.minetest.net/tiles/
17:30	Calinou	yay, yet another â€œMinetest on Steamâ€Â topic
17:30	Calinou	sfan5, very nice, but can't zoom? the buttons don't work
17:31	sfan5	zoom doesn't make much sense
17:31	sfan5	+in
17:31	Calinou	it would, to see details
17:31	Calinou	and to see all the map easily
17:31	sfan5	zoom out is not done because it's just a fast mockup
17:31	Calinou	nice, your mapper handles transparency
17:31	sfan5	s/mockup/non-properly done thing/
17:32	Calinou	which one do you use? C++?
17:32	sfan5	thats not my mapper
17:32	sfan5	it's the official C++ one
17:32	Calinou	OK
17:32	Calinou	I meant, the mapper you used
17:32	Calinou	I'll clone it
17:33	sfan5	use --drawalpha
17:33	sfan5	I finally make that feature work
17:33	sfan5	(this is the transparency you talked about)
17:33	* Krock	wants .exe
17:33	Calinou	need libgd? :o
17:34	sfan5	ys
17:34	sfan5	yes*
17:34	Calinou	need libvpx-dev? O_o
17:34	Calinou	for installing libgd-dev
17:35	Calinou	my map.png has tons of empty space :/
17:37	Calinou	lol I got a 72 Ã— 72 PNG file with X, Z and a player marker
17:37	PenguinDad	!c math.e * math.e
17:37	MinetestBot	7.3890560989306495
17:37	Calinou	â€œ./minetestmapper -i ~/.minetest/worlds/server -o map.png --draworigin --drawplayers --drawscale --drawalphaâ€ â†’ always segfaults
17:37	Calinou	drawalpha is the thing that makes it segfault
17:37	PenguinDad	^ Krock
17:38	* Krock	gives PenguinDad access violation
17:38	sfan5	Calinou: -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug and gdb 'bt full' pleae
17:38	fireglow	is there a way I can make torches give light when they're hold?
17:38	sfan5	please*
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17:39	PenguinDad	Krock: I meant 7.3890560989306495 because it's eÃ—e
17:39	Krock	...
17:39	Calinou	how do I specify parameters to an application with gdb?
17:40	Calinou	fireglow, there's a pull request for that, but it's old and not merged because it required shaders; it gave an advantage to players who could use shaders
17:40	sfan5	gdb --args ./app -l ication
17:40	fireglow	humm
17:40	fireglow	indeed, it's quite useful
17:40	Krock	PenguinDad, that's 0.73890560989306495 cuz of .
17:42	MinetestBot	GIT: Novatux commited to minetest/minetest_game: Better ingot textures c521cb0 2014-07-13T19:37:01+02:00 http://git.io/-yGU3g
17:42	Calinou	warning, horrondeous output: http://0bin.net/paste/O5FKuIkmGinhzhO2#VZMfKIywdfxuZMTpMMIVJintbY-wY9jEJ3CaoiOK+F/
17:42	PenguinDad	Krock: double dots aren't allowed so I dropped the first one
17:43	PenguinDad	Shiny steel ingots :(
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17:51	Krock	hey john_minetest
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17:55	Calinou	TNT now obeys protection in Carbone (tested, working)
17:56	* kaeza	puts a Mese Nuke on Calinou's head
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17:57	asl	lol, the old gold texture really does look like a block of cheese
17:57	Calinou	no Iron/Mese TNT, didn't bother adding them
17:58	Calinou	john_minetest, yes and yes
17:58	Calinou	rat and sheep
17:58	Calinou	it has limited Mesecons (to not be too heavy)
17:58	Calinou	no micro/Luacontrollers and blinkyplants, most otably
17:58	Calinou	notably*
17:59	* asl	think the new gold texture still look like cheese
17:59	LemonLake	sfan5: is it just me or in season 2 are the girls literally
17:59	LemonLake	white
17:59	LemonLake	like...whit
17:59	LemonLake	e
18:00	sfan5	season 2 of oreimo?
18:00	LemonLake	ye
18:00	sfan5	haven't seen that
18:00	LemonLake	the girls are all white, like, full on fuck off white
18:00	sfan5	Calinou: which compiler?
18:03	Calinou	gcc
18:03	sfan5	version?
18:03	Calinou	gcc (Ubuntu 4.8.2-19ubuntu1) 4.8.2
18:04	sfan5	hm
18:04	sfan5	I have no clue why it might not be working
18:06	LemonLake	okay, i think the reason they're all fuck off white is because the recorder's color setup was wrong
18:06	MinetestBot	GIT: cupofinsane commited to minetest/minetest_game: Alias string to cotton 5175897 2014-07-13T20:04:14+02:00 http://git.io/qo3RgA
18:13	Calinou	finally
18:14	LemonLake	one thing about this anime is that it gives no fucks about trademarks
18:24	Krock	http://i.imgur.com/mW0daRE.png
18:29	Calinou	you should really enable mip-maps :p
18:29	Calinou	nice buildings
18:29	Krock	hmm? looks up what mip-maps do
18:32	* Krock	sees, it doesn't look nice when mip mapping is enabled
18:36	Calinou	smoothens textures, may give a few FPS more
18:36	LemonLake	and it doesnt kill eyes
18:41	jordan4ibanez	So can I use the voxel api to modify the terrain on the fly or is it for mapgen only?
18:42	PenguinDad	jordan4ibanez: you can use voxmynipples all the time
18:43	PenguinDad	*voxmanips
18:43	jordan4ibanez	PenguinDad, is there a tutorial for basic adding and removing blocks?
18:43	jordan4ibanez	and lol
18:43	PilzAdam	PenguinDad, it's called "VoxelManipulator"
18:44	PenguinDad	PilzAdam: I know that :P
18:44	PilzAdam	jordan4ibanez, you could look at existing mods; there are no tutorials yet AFAIK
18:45	jordan4ibanez	What mods use this api?
18:46	PilzAdam	my nether mod
18:46	PilzAdam	worldedit should use it too, not sure if it really does
18:46	PenguinDad	jordan4ibanez: https://github.com/Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit
18:51	sfan5	o/ jordan4ibanez
18:53	jordan4ibanez	\o sfan5
18:53	jordan4ibanez	PilzAdam, you should set the lightlevel in the nether to at least half bright
18:54	sfan5	jordan4ibanez: http://i.imgur.com/iEyDY2z.jpg
18:54	sfan5	jordan4ibanez: http://meow.minetest.net/tiles/
18:55	jordan4ibanez	what is meow.minetest?
18:55	jordan4ibanez	And that looks just like my cat
18:55	Calinou	sfan5's domain
18:55	* Krock	found the sad face again
18:56	sfan5	I'll maybe add that later
18:57	Krock	> JavaScript
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18:57	sfan5	Krock: what else would you use?
18:58	Krock	well, some people dislike javascript but there's no real alternative
18:58	Krock	john_minetest, the world is huge
18:59	PenguinDad	Krock: there is one coffeescript :P
18:59	Krock	PenguinDad, yeah. that's like javascript..
18:59	SylvieLorxu	I'm sure Javascript is way more overused than necessary
18:59	SylvieLorxu	HTML5 and CSS3 allow you to create great sites without a single line of JS
19:00	* Krock	gives SylvieLorxu Netscape Navigator
19:01	SylvieLorxu	People who use Netscape don't deserve to see a website as it is meant to be seen anyway
19:01	SylvieLorxu	Yes
19:01	Krock	it doesn't speak
19:01	SylvieLorxu	I used it back in the Windows 95 days
19:01	PenguinDad	Krock: why would you support browsers from the last millenium?
19:07	Krock	PenguinDad, YOLO
19:08	Krock	I mean SWAG
19:09	PilzAdam	"Swag, a type of window valance, often in combination with a full curtain underneath"
19:09	Krock	window+s
19:09	* Krock	headdesks
19:10	PenguinDad	Krock: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SWAG&defid=6132562 :P
19:10	Krock	AAAAAAAAAA
19:10	Krock	runs away
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19:11	jordan4ibanez	So when I call
19:11	jordan4ibanez	local vm, emin, emax = minetest.get_mapgen_object("voxelmanip")
19:11	jordan4ibanez	local data = vm:get_data()
19:12	jordan4ibanez	vm is a nil value
19:12	Krock	don't use it as mapgen object
19:12	PilzAdam	get_mapgen_object() only works in mapgen callbacks
19:12	Krock	^
19:12	jordan4ibanez	So what would I substitute with that?
19:12	Krock	vm = minetest.get_voxel_manip()
19:13	Krock	emin, emax = vm:read_from_map(minp, maxp)
19:13	Krock	the rest is the same
19:13	PilzAdam	local vm = VoxelManip() should work too
19:15	Krock	much ways, same results
19:23	jordan4ibanez	So it doesn't crash, but it doesn't remove any blocks either hmmm
19:24	Krock	how about writing to map?
19:25	jordan4ibanez	http://pastie.org/pastes/9386075/text?key=piiumfzvrjpcfptef84aq
19:25	Krock	\tvm:set_data(data)\n\tvm:write_to_map()
19:26	Krock	use vector.subtract and vector.add to clean up that stuff
19:26	PilzAdam	data[np] = "air" <- this is wrong
19:26	jordan4ibanez	So I have to use a var in place of string?
19:26	Krock	c_air = minetest.get_content_id("air")
19:26	Krock	use c_air
19:27	jordan4ibanez	OH
19:27	jordan4ibanez	oh
19:28	jordan4ibanez	But I have no idea what you mean when you sent \tvm:set_data(data)\n\tvm:write_to_map()
19:28	jordan4ibanez	\n = new line?
19:28	Krock	that's rubbish. I se you already got that stuff
19:28	jordan4ibanez	Man this api is less user friendly than I am
19:28	jordan4ibanez	Do I have to use the data info in each command?
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19:32	Krock	jordan4ibanez, liek dis: http://pastebin.com/vj3zGZWL
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19:41	jordan4ibanez	Hmmm, isn't this supposed to be faster than set node?
19:41	jordan4ibanez	Or is there a way to force update chunks
19:41	Krock	both
19:42	jordan4ibanez	how i do diz
19:44	jordan4ibanez	So update_map() updates the entire map? :O
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19:45	Krock	jordan4ibanez, "local emin, emax = vm:read_from_map(minp, maxp)" and "vm:write_to_map()". Do you think it updates the complete world?
19:46	jordan4ibanez	OH vm:update_map()
19:46	jordan4ibanez	Starting to understand
19:47	jordan4ibanez	WHOA
19:47	jordan4ibanez	that's fucking fast
19:48	Krock	censor pls. children are here.
19:48	LemonLake	Krock: there always is
19:48	Krock	s/is/are
19:49	* Krock	<3 self-made binaries
19:52	PenguinDad	10100001110010101010101110101010101111111111100000001111
19:52	LemonLake	the animators of oreimo really had a lot of time
19:52	PenguinDad	^ self-made binary
19:52	LemonLake	a new intro/outro every ep
19:52	LemonLake	and the composers, actually
19:52	LemonLake	new song
19:52	* PenguinDad	doesn't have that much time
19:53	sfan5	LemonLake: they even made a full length OP for the whole OP song
19:53	LemonLake	yep
19:53	sfan5	seen it?
19:53	LemonLake	no but i was told of it
19:53	jordan4ibanez	This is what we wanted 2 years ago sfan5 and now it's REAL
19:53	jordan4ibanez	http://i.imgur.com/cHZiS6q.jpg
19:54	jordan4ibanez	radius = 50
19:54	* Krock	takes away LemonLake synthisizer
19:54	PenguinDad	dat os
19:54	Krock	jordan4ibanez, too small
19:54	sfan5	jordan4ibanez: remember when I made that youtube video about nuking a map?
19:57	jordan4ibanez	No I'm sorry I dont
19:57	jordan4ibanez	Do you still have it sfan5 ?
19:57	sfan5	k
19:57	sfan5	s/k/yes/
19:59	jordan4ibanez	Where it be
19:59	sfan5	jordan4ibanez: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jeld8l49LQo
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20:01	jordan4ibanez_	Lol I did radius 400 and it crashed my computer
20:02	Krock	use a new map with less generated terrain
20:03	jordan4ibanez_	Let's try 150
20:03	jordan4ibanez_	And sfan5 that video is 2nostalgic4me
20:03	sfan5	meow
20:04	sfan5	!server Meowtest
20:04	MinetestBot	sfan5: Meowtest 0.4.10 "SEGFAULTY" \| minetest.org:30018 \| Clients: 11/25, 0/19 \| Version: 0.4.10-rc1 / meowtest_game \| Ping: 22ms
20:04	sfan5	/\ john_minetest
20:04	sfan5	ninjakitten
20:06	Krock	!server 0.4.9-dev_MSVC
20:06	MinetestBot	Krock: No results
20:06	Krock	of. it searchs for title
20:09	jordan4ibanez_	So when I did radius 150 I thought it crashed, but it just sort of flipped out http://imgur.com/JQeryRt,OF3Ebpe,Td3Reds#0
20:10	Krock	cuz the blocks wheren't generated yet
20:11	Krock	fill it with water!!!!
20:11	jordan4ibanez_	NEVAHHHH
20:12	Krock	messsiii yess
20:17	* Krock	found a mese block with a regular mese ore above
20:18	sfan5	jordan4ibanez_: we should do fun stuff in minetest again some time
20:19	jordan4ibanez_	Yes, yes, this thursday I have the day off so we can do it then
20:19	sfan5	\o/
20:21	jordan4ibanez_	What would we even do though?
20:38	LemonLake	shame
20:38	LemonLake	i dont think i can finish oreimo today
20:38	LemonLake	there's still 9 eps left :/
20:40	PenguinDad	"Wanted: (-302,29,-288) , (-298,33,-284) Got: (-304,16,-288) , (-289,47,-273)" The size of an LVM isn't always what you wanted :(
20:41	Krock	wut?
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20:43	PenguinDad	Krock: code producing this output http://0bin.net/paste/Uh-iVCvU1ZnRRvrn#PpPEtHGbZwV5itp076ZSG1GRjv-yEhdyZ2u/L9MwB7B
20:44	Krock	PenguinDad, it must be that way
20:44	fireglow	yeah, that's annoying as heck, john_minetest
20:44	Krock	emin != minp
20:47	nore	PenguinDad: it will always be bigger than your request
20:47	nore	that's why VoxelArea is useful :)
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21:06	Megaf	Hi everyone, this thing at 5 GHz must be the perfect minetest server CPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113347
21:06	LemonLake	i doubt there's a 'perfect server cpu'
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21:07	Ivalin	how to use minetest translations ?
21:07	Megaf	perfect for minetest
21:07	Megaf	minetest likes high clock
21:15	PenguinDad	now I know why there's VoxelArea
21:16	PenguinDad	and this condition makes no sense https://github.com/Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit/blob/master/worldedit/manipulations.lua#L51
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21:21	Jordach	anyone up for my support of the current game?
21:21	Jordach	(eg, arg vs ger)
21:25	PenguinDad	Jordach: is germany winning?
21:25	LemonLake	wouldn't surprise me
21:25	Jordach	GERMANS SCORED 1-0
21:26	Jordach	,01asdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsd
21:26	Jordach	,04asdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsd
21:26	Jordach	,08asdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsd
21:26	LemonLake	whoa
21:26	LemonLake	random numbers ^.^
21:27	PenguinDad	,03I ,11c,09a,06n ,08h,08e,12a,09r ,10i,06f ,02g,12e,08r,07m,13a,12n,09y ,03w,06i,06n,08s ,11\,08o,10/
21:27	Jordach	PenguinDad, you have a TV!
21:27	* sfan5	meows at Jordach
21:27	Jordach	PenguinDad, or i broadcast my desktop
21:27	PenguinDad	Jordach: without TV or your desktop
21:27	Jordach	PenguinDad, streamin :3
21:28	Jordach	720p, HD :3
21:28	Jordach	(and no that's overskill for streaming)
21:28	sfan5	Jordach: where?
21:28	* sfan5	would really like 1080p or 4K streams
21:28	Jordach	http://i.imgur.com/okZmdgh.jpg
21:29	PenguinDad	Jordach: I just have to hear the reactions of my neighbours :P
21:29	Jordach	second hand euphoria is not a substitute
21:29	Jordach	messi missed!
21:29	Jordach	missi messi :D
21:30	* sfan5	meows at john_minetest
21:30	* john_minetest	gives sfan5 a <'(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((--<
21:30	* sfan5	nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooms it
21:31	Jordach	wtf is scheinstein made of
21:31	sfan5	of stone
21:31	sfan5	wait no
21:31	sfan5	<xnrphone> schweinsteiger is titaniuuuuummm
21:32	Jordach	+2 minutes D:
21:33	Jordach	FOUL! D:
21:33	PenguinDad	O:
21:33	sfan5	D:
21:35	Jordach	HE MISSED
21:35	PenguinDad	john_minetest is getting serious O:
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21:35	* sfan5	meows at PenguinDad
21:35	sfan5	!op
21:36		Topic for #minetest is now Latest stable version is 0.4.10 \| Please be patient, responses may take a while \| Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules \| Development: #minetest-dev \| Server list: http://minetest.net/servers \| Logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ \| Channel stats: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html \| Germany 1 - 0
21:36	LemonLake	!pop
21:36	jojoa1997	hello
21:36	PenguinDad	!voice
21:36		Topic for #minetest is now Latest stable version is 0.4.10 \| Please be patient, responses may take a while \| Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules \| Development: #minetest-dev \| Server list: http://minetest.net/servers \| Logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ \| Channel stats: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html \| Germany wins!7
21:36		Topic for #minetest is now Latest stable version is 0.4.10 \| Please be patient, responses may take a while \| Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules \| Development: #minetest-dev \| Server list: http://minetest.net/servers \| Logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ \| Channel stats: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html \| Germany wins!
21:36		Topic for #minetest is now Latest stable version is 0.4.10 \| Please be patient, responses may take a while \| Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules \| Development: #minetest-dev \| Server list: http://minetest.net/servers \| Logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ \| GERMANY WINS THE WORLD CUP!
21:36	sfan5	!voice PenguinDad
21:36	PenguinDad	Germany wins!!1!
21:36	Jordach	brb
21:36	Jordach	moving ton Germany
21:37	Jordach	the German Football Machine :3
21:37	Jordach	it's no longer a war machine
21:38	* sfan5	meows at Jordach
21:38	jojoa1997	oh God the cats
21:38	* sfan5	meows at jojoa1997
21:38	sfan5	!deop sfan5
21:38	sfan5	!voice sfan5
21:39	Jordach	still making beautiful guns :D
21:39	Jordach	!voice john_minetest
21:39	Jordach	if you're german, get a free voice
21:39	* PenguinDad	meows Jordach
21:39	Jordach	or european
21:39	sfan5	!voice kahrl
21:40	* jojoa1997	is haveing flashbacks atm
21:40	Jordach	!voice Sokomine
21:40	Jordach	!voice xnrand
21:40	sfan5	!voice Sokomine
21:40	sfan5	xnrand is german?
21:40	Jordach	yes
21:40	Jordach	iirc
21:40	Jordach	i want to see tomorrows headlines from Germany
21:41	* sfan5	throws german newspapers at Jordach
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21:46	LemonLake	some saddos have nothing better to do
21:47	Jordach	we need 5v5 minetest world cup football
21:47	LemonLake	is there a ball mod
21:47	sfan5	yes
21:47	Jordach	there should be
21:48	Jordach	my bro just text me this
21:48	Jordach	Germany have finally won something since world war 1 :L
21:48	sfan5	:L
21:49	* sfan5	curls up to Jordach's lap
21:49	Jordach	mew
21:49	* Jordach	pets sfan5
21:49	* sfan5	purrs
21:49	LemonLake	um
21:50	Jordach	pro footballer with a iPhone 5c
21:50	Jordach	holy shite
21:51	Jordach	the tears of argentinian kids will flood the brazilian streets :P
21:52	sfan5	:D
21:53	Jordach	what do they taste of; SWEET GERMAN VICTORY
21:53	* sfan5	orders Jordach to fly to Germany
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21:54	hoodedice	Hello miners!
21:54	hoodedice	Time for some serious discussion
21:55	Jordach	FOOTBALL! FOOTBALL!
21:55	sfan5	hoodedice: Germany won
21:55	PenguinDad	hoodedice: Germany wins!!1!
21:55	hoodedice	After yet another round of Minetest with Steam integration, and after having much discussion
21:55	hoodedice	Zwizzing hell people
21:55	hoodedice	Listen!
21:55	* sfan5	is a cat
21:55	fireglow	meow?
21:55	* LemonLake	is a piece of trash
21:55	fireglow	crumple crumple?
21:55	LemonLake	^
21:55	LemonLake	love it
21:55	* Jordach	made a new sig
21:56	* PenguinDad	is a penguin
21:56	hoodedice	So, After yet another round of Minetest with Steam integration, and after having much discussion
21:56	Jordach	germany won the world cup, the end
21:56	LemonLake	fuck it
21:56	LemonLake	hmm...
21:56	LemonLake	i think i'll watch one or two more episodes of this anime
21:56	LemonLake	then i have to sleep
21:56	* sfan5	meows at fireglow
21:56	hoodedice	I've decided that even if the community pays the initial $100, we don't have enough money for sick features like auto login, and join server
21:57	hoodedice	Which requires hosting by steam
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21:57	hoodedice	Even the most coveted feature, the Workshop seemingly requires steam hosting
21:57	LemonLake	duh
21:57	hoodedice	As such, after reading up on some discussion on steam about GPL based games
21:58	hoodedice	The consensus was that desura was a better platform for free and open games
21:58	hoodedice	It has a modding community.
21:58	hoodedice	It has support for linux based games. And multiple platform based games
21:58	hoodedice	It is largely used for indie games
21:59	Jordach	https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=332
21:59	hoodedice	I have not yet read the ToS and EULA, but I have been told that desura is GPL friendly
21:59	hoodedice	Jordach, "Age: 18"
21:59	hoodedice	u wot m8? siriusly?
22:00	Jordach	seriously
22:00	LemonLake	hoodedice: yes, seriously
22:00	hoodedice	lel
22:00	hoodedice	I thought you were like, 21 something
22:00	LemonLake	i thought it was obvious
22:00	hoodedice	So, any remarks on my proposition?
22:00	hoodedice	sfan5!
22:01	sfan5	no
22:01	hoodedice	why?
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22:03	hoodedice	Also note that the desura client is GPLv3
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22:05	jordan4ibanez_	Here is the api
22:05	jordan4ibanez_	http://pastie.org/pastes/9386888/text?key=jgipuhkwg1ucks9rsp9g
22:06	jordan4ibanez_	Here is the attempted application
22:06	jordan4ibanez_	http://pastie.org/pastes/9386890/text?key=gny2f2k5y5itiimytxtv5a
22:06	jordan4ibanez_	I have no idea why this doesn't work, everything appears to be fine
22:07	hoodedice	what is the error?
22:12	hoodedice	sucks to be me.
22:13	Jordach	Today on #minetest, hoodedice learns that nobody gives a fuck, including the omnioptent narrator.
22:14	* hoodedice	thinks of bumping the discussion on #minetest-dev
22:14	Jordach	i wouldn't
22:14	hoodedice	Wasn't celeron supportive of a steam integration?
22:19	LemonLake	just one more ep...just one more ep...
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22:21	Nerotic	Long time since I have logged in.
22:22	hoodedice	Hello
22:23	PenguinDad	Hi Nerotic
22:24	Nerotic	yo
22:24	Nerotic	gtg
22:25	hoodedice	lol
22:32	Jordach	!title http://imgur.com/gallery/WjfCP3N
22:32	MinetestBot	Jordach: While in the Bing offices... - Imgur
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22:45	Jordach	i found gold http://imgur.com/gallery/Lv7zGVe
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23:08	LemonLake	im gonna get some sleep now
23:08	LemonLake	gnight
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23:15	Guest13235	GO GERMANY GO!?
23:16	Guest13235	-?
23:16	PenguinDad	Guest13235: Germany wins!!1!
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23:21	* Jordach	slaps VanessaE
23:21	Jordach	kaeza_, i watched :D
23:21	VanessaE	ow.
23:26	hoodedice	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=148374#p148374
23:32	VanessaE	bbl
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23:39	jordan4ibanez_	How do I get the name of a node with content id?
23:39	jordan4ibanez_	I have vm:get_data() and I tried vm:get_data().name
23:41	jordan4ibanez_	http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ilq8SzToP6I/U1Em0tvn4ZI/AAAAAAAAZIQ/gyJ4Elwc8dQ/s1600/out+of+ideas.png
23:41	jordan4ibanez_	and right now this api documentation is poop
23:44	* hoodedice	thinks that his chats are invisible
23:46	jordan4ibanez_	who said that
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23:53	Dogzilla131	I have a question of height
23:53	Dogzilla131	How high do you need to be to not make a shadow?
23:53	jordan4ibanez_	out of loaded chunks
23:57	jordan4ibanez_	This is how you get name from new voxel api minetest.get_name_from_content_id(vm:get_data(np)[1])

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