Time |
Nick |
Message |
00:00 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: also, 6.133 GB with HDX 256 at Creative's spawn after pitching and panning my view around and letting every last bit of map around me load up |
00:00 |
VanessaE |
no preload, all settings enabled except for parallax, have not opened the inventory yet. |
00:01 |
Exio4 |
i always use preload |
00:01 |
Exio4 |
no idea why |
00:01 |
Exio4 |
lets see how much MT uses here |
00:02 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: how do you fare with 256? |
00:02 |
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00:02 |
VanessaE |
do the same as I did, Creative spawn, just pan/pitch around, let it all load up, but don't walk around |
00:03 |
Mallot1 |
hey guys sorry if i made you angry at me |
00:03 |
Exio4 |
why isn't minetest using a whole core while preloading item textures |
00:03 |
Exio4 |
it doesn't even use 60% |
00:03 |
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00:03 |
Exio4 |
two thirds of my CPU.. don't even that |
00:04 |
awesomedevguy |
its alright Mallot1 :) |
00:04 |
Mallot1 |
:D :) |
00:04 |
Exio4 |
can you talk with yourself in another channel? |
00:04 |
Mallot1 |
awesomedevguy: what do you develop? :) |
00:04 |
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00:05 |
VanessaE |
no one's angry at you Mallot1. Just please stop talking about non-Minetest stuff in here when the conversation is clearly going about important stuff related to it. |
00:05 |
VanessaE |
(it's okay to go off-topic if the rest of us already are) |
00:05 |
Mallot1 |
oh ok :) |
00:05 |
Mallot1 |
see ya |
00:06 |
Mallot1 |
and thanls |
00:06 |
Mallot1 |
*thanks |
00:06 |
Exio4 |
VanessaE: how well is your system behaving with hdx-128 + item preloading? |
00:06 |
* Mallot1 |
is AFC |
00:06 |
Exio4 |
s/your system/minetest/ |
00:06 |
Exio4 |
in your setup |
00:06 |
VanessaE |
Exio4: I don't use the 128px size, and I don't use preload. lemme see what the 256px size does, but first I'll turn on some swap :P |
00:09 |
Exio4 |
that is why i asked you, 128px is "small" then use preload, then 256px size and the we extrapolate |
00:10 |
VanessaE |
Exio4: well as you saw, Jordach was able to run HDX512 with 5 GB RAM usage. I could even get it to stay within 10GB. |
00:10 |
VanessaE |
unless he was not using aniso/mip-map mode |
00:10 |
VanessaE |
I know that takes some RAM |
00:11 |
VanessaE |
(not sure how much, I seem to recall around 25% more?) |
00:11 |
Exio4 |
in your survival server, item preload + hdx-128 is 4.5gb~ of ram |
00:11 |
Exio4 |
with "max settings" |
00:12 |
VanessaE |
windows or linux? |
00:12 |
Exio4 |
linux of course |
00:12 |
Exio4 |
that is why i asked you |
00:12 |
VanessaE |
got windows handy somewhere to try the same thing? |
00:12 |
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00:12 |
Exio4 |
a w7 VM |
00:12 |
VanessaE |
try it. |
00:12 |
VanessaE |
I'm genuinely curious. |
00:13 |
Exio4 |
which windows build is the "newest"? |
00:13 |
Eater4 |
The one on the website? |
00:13 |
VanessaE |
Exio4: sfan5 has recent builds on his forum page |
00:13 |
Exio4 |
-dev build |
00:13 |
Exio4 |
k, will check them |
00:13 |
VanessaE |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1523 |
00:14 |
Exio4 |
i hope 8gb of ram are enough for the VM |
00:14 |
Piggybear87 |
Red head + 6 hour fishing trip (starting at noon) + NO sunblock = PPPPPAAAAAAIIIIIINNNNNNN!!!!!!! |
00:14 |
Piggybear87 |
I'm such an idiot... |
00:15 |
Exio4 |
i forced my system to swap a bit |
00:15 |
Exio4 |
(for keeping some cache free) |
00:17 |
Piggybear87 |
Second EXACT trip (except one was fresh one was salt) in 3 days... Burn, on top of burn... GOD! I hurt! |
00:19 |
Exio4 |
my poor cpu is at 40C :( |
00:19 |
VanessaE |
sowwy :) |
00:19 |
Exio4 |
this is the sad part: /dev/sda4 756G 750G 6.8G 100% /home |
00:19 |
Exio4 |
my /home is nearly full |
00:19 |
Piggybear87 |
GOSH!* I apologize to the religious people. I don't mean to offend. :) |
00:20 |
VanessaE |
I'm moving files off to spinning rust now to make room for some decent amount of swap on the SSD. |
00:21 |
VanessaE |
(it's all crap that doesn't need low-latency/high-bandwidth access anyway) |
00:21 |
VanessaE |
Piggybear87: damn, that's gotta suck :( |
00:21 |
Exio4 |
basically everything but the system itself |
00:21 |
VanessaE |
Exio4: not quite :P |
00:21 |
Piggybear87 |
VanessaE, Yeah... Lol. |
00:22 |
VanessaE |
just stuff in my homedir that isn't actively used much |
00:22 |
VanessaE |
old coin wallets, website stuff, images, etc. |
00:22 |
VanessaE |
'round about 50GB of excess |
00:22 |
Exio4 |
i would say music, images, webbrowser profiles, coding stuff (source files, executables files, etc) |
00:23 |
Exio4 |
~/.minetest could be in a SSD |
00:23 |
Exio4 |
but minetest's sources.. why |
00:24 |
Exio4 |
compiling is normally cpu-bounded, not IO-bounded ;P |
00:24 |
Exio4 |
anyway, 10min left |
00:24 |
Exio4 |
where is the ~/.minetest/cache in windows? |
00:25 |
VanessaE |
there, 43 GB moved. |
00:25 |
VanessaE |
went from 70GB in my homedir to 27. |
00:26 |
Exio4 |
my homedir is 756 GB and 480gb~ are music |
00:26 |
Exio4 |
then 200~ are backups of old harddisks i have around but could break at any moment |
00:26 |
Exio4 |
(basically easier access for my old data) |
00:26 |
Exio4 |
i need a RAID 10 now |
00:26 |
Exio4 |
before even buying ram, a new cpu, a fan, a psu, or anything |
00:26 |
VanessaE |
well 27GB of homedir, plus another 343 of "storage" and a terabyte of backup media |
00:27 |
Exio4 |
two fucking harddisks |
00:27 |
VanessaE |
(storage contains music etc) |
00:27 |
Exio4 |
2tb and a damn mirror raid for now though |
00:28 |
* VanessaE |
turns on 16GB of swap now. |
00:28 |
Exio4 |
swap ftw |
00:28 |
VanessaE |
43 GB out, 16 GB in, net gain 27 GB :) |
00:29 |
Exio4 |
-/+ buffers/cache: 10370 1619 |
00:29 |
Exio4 |
Swap: 16383 60 16323 |
00:29 |
Exio4 |
here ^ |
00:29 |
Exio4 |
12gb of ram, 16gb of swap in a poor hdd |
00:30 |
Exio4 |
where is the slow part, sfan5's server or my network |
00:30 |
VanessaE |
Mem: 16433256 16218588 214668 48336 247984 12751372 |
00:30 |
VanessaE |
-/+ buffers/cache: 3219232 13214024 |
00:30 |
VanessaE |
Swap: 16777212 0 16777212 |
00:30 |
Exio4 |
free -m :P |
00:31 |
VanessaE |
here goes nothin' |
00:32 |
VanessaE |
running minetest with HDX512 again. |
00:32 |
VanessaE |
8.5GB so far. |
00:32 |
VanessaE |
9 |
00:33 |
VanessaE |
amazingly, it ain't crashing |
00:33 |
Exio4 |
see! :P |
00:33 |
Exio4 |
swap is good! |
00:33 |
VanessaE |
well thing is, there's only 360 KB of swap in use. |
00:33 |
VanessaE |
and yet there's 178 MB of free RAM |
00:34 |
VanessaE |
minetest's frame rate utterly sucks ass though |
00:34 |
VanessaE |
like 2 fps |
00:34 |
VanessaE |
probably because my video card lacks the RAM to handle it |
00:35 |
VanessaE |
so far, I'm up to 12GB of RAM used, and now it's diving pretty good into swap |
00:35 |
VanessaE |
almost a gig in there. |
00:35 |
VanessaE |
yet there's STILL some RAM free. weird. |
00:36 |
VanessaE |
12 GB now. |
00:36 |
VanessaE |
oh, already said that. |
00:36 |
VanessaE |
13.9 virtual, btw. |
00:37 |
VanessaE |
shall I close it now? :) |
00:38 |
EvergreenTree |
yes, probably |
00:38 |
EvergreenTree |
:P |
00:39 |
EvergreenTree |
what cpu are you using VanessaE? |
00:39 |
VanessaE |
14.267 GB virtual now, and I haven't done anything but stand here at the spawn, looking around. |
00:39 |
EvergreenTree |
is it an amd? |
00:39 |
VanessaE |
EvergreenTree: AMD Phenom II X6 1055T (2.8 GHz) w/16GB RAM, and an ATI HD6870 GPU with 1GB onboard. |
00:40 |
EvergreenTree |
ah |
00:40 |
EvergreenTree |
I have an AMD FX-4300 (3.8ghz) w/4GB RAM and an AMMD Radeon 7750 |
00:40 |
EvergreenTree |
with 1gb of vram |
00:43 |
Exio4 |
i hate sfan5's server |
00:44 |
VanessaE |
why? |
00:45 |
EvergreenTree |
sfan5 has a server? |
00:46 |
Exio4 |
http://sfan5.pf-control.de/minetest-builds/minetest_64/minetest-0.4.9-cb3b42e-win64.7z downloading this file is a pain |
00:46 |
Exio4 |
i tried downloading it in the windows vm |
00:46 |
Exio4 |
i'm going to download it in the host with wget --continue |
00:46 |
VanessaE |
what's wrong with it? |
00:46 |
VanessaE |
looks like an ordinary file link to me |
00:46 |
Exio4 |
it stops downloading randomly |
00:46 |
VanessaE |
ohhhh |
00:47 |
Exio4 |
first it was at 20kb then 9mb then 13mb |
00:47 |
Exio4 |
and it is also slow as hell, no idea why |
00:47 |
Exio4 |
my network is shit, but it can do more than 20kb/s |
00:48 |
Exio4 |
man, closures and high order functions combined with lambda functions are full awesomeness |
00:52 |
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00:52 |
awesomess3 |
can servers carry malware? |
00:52 |
EvergreenTree |
no |
00:52 |
VanessaE |
they can carry it but they can't pass it onto clients. |
00:52 |
VanessaE |
or rather, |
00:52 |
EvergreenTree |
nothing that can harm your computer anyway |
00:52 |
awesomess3 |
some servers hang at: "Media..." |
00:52 |
VanessaE |
they can carry it, and they can pass it on to clients, but the clients can't actually DO anything with it. |
00:52 |
VanessaE |
awesomess3: that's just minetest glitchiness. |
00:53 |
EvergreenTree |
awesomess3: that's just because they either have a ton of textures/mods, or it is just minetest being silly |
00:53 |
VanessaE |
awesomess3: my creative and survival servers have some 35 GB of media to transfer |
00:53 |
VanessaE |
so clients will sit there in the "Media" step for a long while. |
00:53 |
Exio4 |
35GB? |
00:54 |
VanessaE |
yep |
00:54 |
Exio4 |
i hope you mean 35MB |
00:54 |
VanessaE |
er 35 MB |
00:54 |
VanessaE |
yeah :) |
00:55 |
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00:55 |
VanessaE |
33 MB, to be exact. |
00:55 |
Exio4 |
that is better ;P |
00:55 |
awesomess3 |
oh jeez. WoW takes 26.8 GB |
00:55 |
EvergreenTree |
why hello there Enke |
00:55 |
VanessaE |
awesomess3: sorry, typo. it's 33 MB, not GB. :P |
00:55 |
LazyJ |
What reasons are there to compile Minetest with cmake_build_type minsizerel? The README says that it will make the executable smaller but what's the advantage/disadvantage? |
00:55 |
VanessaE |
no idea LazyJ |
00:56 |
LazyJ |
What!? I've stumped the mavin of Minetest? :0)- |
00:56 |
awesomess3 |
probably minimal assembly is my guess LazyJ |
00:58 |
awesomess3 |
gcc compile flags are strange in my opinion. -O2, -O3 for example, are different optimizations that have different advantages that are strange. Some make the executable smaller, some make the program more faster, but all in all, the effects are minimal, *shrugs* |
00:59 |
LazyJ |
Hmmm... so it's probably one of those things that isn't practical but it there just because we can. |
00:59 |
LazyJ |
*it's there just... |
01:00 |
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01:00 |
Sokomine |
perhaps it is relevant under some conditions |
01:00 |
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01:00 |
Sokomine |
it's amazing that mt runs on android devices as well. that's far less good hardware than a desktop |
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01:01 |
awesomess3 |
VanessaE, I looked at the server list, and I usually choose your servers to join, but is it true that there are like 0 or 1 people in the game? |
01:01 |
VanessaE |
yup |
01:01 |
awesomess3 |
VanessaE, you've got like 6 servers |
01:01 |
LazyJ |
mHmm... I'd like to get my hands on an android of my own but I don't want to spend the money on a monthly phone contract. |
01:01 |
VanessaE |
I have 7 servers, and they aren't played much lately. |
01:02 |
awesomess3 |
:( |
01:02 |
Mallot1_ |
LazyJ: you don't need a contract |
01:02 |
VanessaE |
http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/stats.html |
01:02 |
VanessaE |
bottom graph. |
01:02 |
LazyJ |
Quantity of players isn't the same as quality of players. |
01:02 |
Sokomine |
they ought to be frequented more, those servers. they are good ones |
01:02 |
Mallot1_ |
LazyJ: if you get a tablet. I have a tablet myself you can get one from Walmart for $80 RCA |
01:03 |
LazyJ |
I'd rather have a small group of well behaved players than a chaotic day-care center of brats. |
01:03 |
Sokomine |
that's true as well. opening a new server to everyone will make a bunch of tablet users join which usually have anything in mind but building something |
01:03 |
Mallot1_ |
i find it hard to build on Buildcraft but i got used to it |
01:03 |
Mallot1_ |
can't find any servers though |
01:04 |
Sokomine |
mallot1: try sapiers latest build. that's at least a more or less official one |
01:04 |
awesomess3 |
I do like single player though, it's kind of scary being alone though...in a static world... |
01:04 |
Mallot1_ |
oh cool thanks Sokomine :D |
01:04 |
LazyJ |
I'm curious but I know I'd have to choose between putting the tablet down to have my coffee and donut or play Minetest. ;)- |
01:04 |
Sokomine |
and yes, i have difficulty controlling building with that android client as well. it's very diffrent from mouse and keyboard. amazing that people sometimes manage to build something with it at all |
01:04 |
Mallot1_ |
i built a dirt house |
01:05 |
Mallot1_ |
and tested a dirt to lava mod for fun |
01:05 |
Sokomine |
awesomess3: mob mods help. try sapiers animals modpack (mobf). it works well in singleplayer. you'll find the occasional trader and many mobs |
01:05 |
Mallot1_ |
needless to say it crashed ;) |
01:05 |
Sokomine |
my random_buildings mod may also be of intrest. it adds lumberjacks that will try to sell you wood |
01:06 |
Mallot1_ |
Sokomine: the one with the villagers? |
01:06 |
Sokomine |
they're not yet villagers in my mod. traders exist, and houses for villages exist, but they do not spawn in combination yet |
01:06 |
VanessaE |
Mallot1, stop changing names. |
01:06 |
Mallot1 |
oh sorry |
01:07 |
Mallot1 |
oh must of been a different mod :) |
01:07 |
Sokomine |
i'm experimenting with nores mapgen lately as that integrates villages very well into the map. adventuretest spawns villagers |
01:07 |
Mallot1 |
cool :D |
01:07 |
Mallot1 |
i hope one day villagers and the cool workers mod get added to the game |
01:08 |
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01:09 |
VanessaE |
they won't. |
01:09 |
VanessaE |
minetest_game is dead. |
01:09 |
Mallot1 |
so here not developing it anyone? |
01:09 |
Mallot1 |
*there |
01:09 |
Mallot1 |
*anymore |
01:09 |
VanessaE |
they're* |
01:09 |
Mallot1 |
aw man xD |
01:10 |
VanessaE |
no, it's frozen. |
01:10 |
VanessaE |
no one wants to touch it |
01:10 |
VanessaE |
and as for the engine, everyone's obsessed with the G*d damned server. |
01:10 |
Mallot1 |
aw |
01:10 |
Mallot1 |
i hope we see 1.0.0 though |
01:10 |
VanessaE |
the client is being left to rot whilst at the same time being buried under features that, while very nice to see, don't help its performance any |
01:10 |
VanessaE |
and yes, I'm pissed. |
01:11 |
EvergreenTree |
evergreen.shutdown("Cya") |
01:11 |
EvergreenTree |
Cya |
01:11 |
VanessaE |
ciao |
01:12 |
Mallot1 |
peace |
01:12 |
Mallot1 |
return 0; |
01:13 |
Piggybear87 |
NO ONE SEEDS THE SHIZNIT I ACTUALLY WANT! |
01:13 |
Enke |
VanessaE: Sorry if you answered before and I missed it, but is there a list or compilation of homedecor's recipes? |
01:13 |
Mallot1 |
like what |
01:14 |
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01:14 |
Mallot1 |
Piggybear87 ^^ |
01:14 |
VanessaE |
Enke: http://minetest-home-decor.wikia.com/wiki/Minetest_Home_Decor_Wiki |
01:14 |
Piggybear87 |
Jawga Boyz - Kuntry |
01:14 |
Enke |
Thank you. |
01:14 |
Mallot1 |
never heard of it |
01:14 |
Piggybear87 |
There's 1 song I want from the album. It's called Ridin High. |
01:15 |
Piggybear87 |
If you're redneck AT ALL (and like rap), I suggest you youtube it. |
01:15 |
Mallot1 |
Maroon5 - Maps is pretty good |
01:15 |
Mallot1 |
sorry man no redness of the neck here xD |
01:16 |
Piggybear87 |
Lol. I mean if you like country, the country lifestyle, or fried chicken. Lmfao! |
01:16 |
Piggybear87 |
OR! |
01:16 |
Mallot1 |
lol :D |
01:16 |
Piggybear87 |
OR! |
01:16 |
Piggybear87 |
OR! |
01:16 |
Mallot1 |
OR! |
01:16 |
Mallot1 |
||! |
01:16 |
Piggybear87 |
If you like cars/trucks |
01:17 |
Piggybear87 |
. |
01:17 |
Piggybear87 |
Jacked up trucks to be exact. |
01:18 |
Mallot1 |
this cars tight: http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&docid=RTFX-lWLE-ZVpM&tbnid=nLP-fIrHW9ey3M:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fteamspeed.com%2Fforums%2Fporsches-past-general-porsche-news%2F873-all-shades-blue-offered-porsche.html&ei=z-igU5rdC7LFsATm64DgAg&bvm=bv.69137298,d.cWc&psig=AFQjCNGW7jYtkmzIVZwZfRKfm_403_eozw&ust=1403140676764041 |
01:19 |
Mallot1 |
well i was a blue proche |
01:19 |
Mallot1 |
porche |
01:19 |
Piggybear87 |
No... |
01:21 |
Mallot1 |
well anyone host any new servers lately? |
01:28 |
Piggybear87 |
FINALLY! I found a site that has seeders for that damn album... All of this trouble for 1 stupid song! |
01:28 |
Mallot1 |
you could ofo got it on youtube probably though ;) |
01:32 |
Piggybear87 |
I want it on a CD, I can listen to it on Youtube if I'm at home, but not in the car. |
01:32 |
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01:33 |
Mallot1 |
you could take download the video |
01:33 |
Mallot1 |
then take the .mp4 and convert it to .mp3 or wav or your choice. then burn it to a CD :) |
01:36 |
Piggybear87 |
Too much work for a song. Lol. |
01:36 |
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01:38 |
asl |
piggybear: youtube-dl -x link |
01:39 |
asl |
that isn't much, just one line of code to type in the terminal |
01:39 |
Mallot1 |
piggybear no only takes 10 minutes and you have a whole CD now :D |
01:41 |
VanessaE |
Mallot1: take mp4 -> mp3 -> CD? FAIL. Rip mp4 -> WAV -> CD. Or just save the mp4 audio and play it in your "mp3" player directly. |
01:41 |
VanessaE |
(most of them will play mp4 audio just fine) |
01:42 |
Mallot1 |
yeah i know, i wanted it to work on 90% of devices |
01:42 |
VanessaE |
mp4 works on 95% of devices. |
01:42 |
Mallot1 |
hmm i didn't know that |
01:42 |
Mallot1 |
well u learn something new everyday :D |
01:42 |
Exio4 |
i'd use "high quality mp3" |
01:42 |
VanessaE |
besides, don't go mp4 -> mp3 because that introduces an extra layer of lossy conversion unless you're able to actually extract raw mp3 audio from the file. |
01:43 |
asl |
the thing is that youtube encode the audio to a lower quality |
01:43 |
Exio4 |
the mp4 already has shitty quality |
01:43 |
Exio4 |
if you want to listen nice stuff search it in TPB |
01:43 |
Exio4 |
nice quality stuff* |
01:44 |
Exio4 |
oh |
01:44 |
Exio4 |
yeah, you're torrenting |
01:44 |
Exio4 |
+1 for that :D |
01:44 |
VanessaE |
I used to |
01:44 |
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01:44 |
VanessaE |
got yelled at by some copyright group for downloading an episode of House once. |
01:44 |
VanessaE |
decided to just not bother after that. |
01:45 |
VanessaE |
now if I want some song, I rip it from youtube or last.fm or so. |
01:45 |
Exio4 |
torrent over an offshore VPS |
01:46 |
Exio4 |
internet <-> VPS <-> you |
01:46 |
VanessaE |
if I were gonna pay for an offshore VPS, I'd just pay for the damn music :P |
01:46 |
Exio4 |
a low-end VPS is very cheap |
01:46 |
Exio4 |
anyway, magnatune <3 |
01:51 |
Exio4 |
i just realized my VM was still running so i installed mt and now i'll check the ram usage |
01:52 |
Exio4 |
translated minetest sucks |
01:52 |
Exio4 |
english mt > spanish mt |
01:52 |
VanessaE |
define "sucks" |
01:53 |
Exio4 |
stuff doesn't feel right, i'm too used to the english words |
01:53 |
Mallot1 |
there's a spanish MT? |
01:53 |
VanessaE |
oh translated, literally :P |
01:53 |
VanessaE |
I thought you meant figuratively |
01:53 |
Mallot1 |
i never saw it on the site |
01:53 |
VanessaE |
so how's the mem usage compared to the same conditions in the linux build? |
01:53 |
Exio4 |
loading |
01:54 |
Exio4 |
850mb and going up |
01:54 |
Exio4 |
way slower than under linux though |
01:54 |
Exio4 |
poor FX |
01:55 |
Exio4 |
hahah |
01:55 |
Exio4 |
HAHAHA, i made jackd crash \o/ |
01:56 |
VanessaE |
heh |
01:58 |
Exio4 |
1.2gb of ram usage and rising |
01:59 |
Exio4 |
4 minutes was 350 mb |
01:59 |
VanessaE |
jeesh |
01:59 |
Exio4 |
but keeps rising |
02:00 |
Exio4 |
i guess this is caused by the slow virtualized cpu |
02:00 |
Exio4 |
my host system runs at full speed |
02:01 |
Exio4 |
1.350mb |
02:01 |
Exio4 |
compared to 4~ in linux |
02:02 |
VanessaE |
what texture size? |
02:02 |
VanessaE |
what what settings are you using? |
02:02 |
Exio4 |
hdx-128 |
02:03 |
Exio4 |
the difference between both setups where shaders, 3d clouds and particles |
02:03 |
VanessaE |
hm |
02:03 |
Exio4 |
(the one i thought that don't cause a lot of ram usage?) |
02:04 |
Exio4 |
i can connect again with all the settings |
02:04 |
VanessaE |
afaik the only setting in-game that can cause some RAM usage is mip-map + anisotropic filter |
02:04 |
Exio4 |
connecting again |
02:04 |
VanessaE |
+ bumpmapping if you have the normaps pack |
02:04 |
Exio4 |
item preloading remember |
02:04 |
VanessaE |
normalmaps( |
02:05 |
VanessaE |
well that too but I meant extra settings - items will load up eventually anyway just by paging through your inventory. |
02:05 |
VanessaE |
and playign the game etc. |
02:06 |
VanessaE |
so turn on *everything* in both host and guest that they are both capable of and compare RAM usage. also try the 256px pack. |
02:06 |
Exio4 |
host = everything enabled = 30 FPS |
02:06 |
Exio4 |
guest = everything disabled = 3 FPS |
02:06 |
Exio4 |
:D |
02:06 |
Exio4 |
i turned on everything in guest |
02:06 |
Exio4 |
i'm trying with 128 |
02:06 |
VanessaE |
export CXXFLAGS="-O3" |
02:06 |
VanessaE |
cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0 -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release -DENABLE_FREETYPE=1 -DENABLE_LEVELDB=1 |
02:06 |
VanessaE |
my build settings ^^^^ |
02:07 |
Exio4 |
i only used -DENABLE_CURL=1 |
02:07 |
Exio4 |
in host |
02:08 |
Exio4 |
400~ ram of swap used |
02:08 |
Exio4 |
the system works like nothing every happened |
02:08 |
Piggybear87 |
!up minetest.org 30011 |
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MinetestBot |
minetest.org:30011 is up (873ms) |
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Exio4 |
mb |
02:08 |
Exio4 |
i would like more ram though |
02:08 |
VanessaE |
try that again, Exio4.. grammar FAIL :) |
02:09 |
Exio4 |
downloadmoreram.com |
02:10 |
Exio4 |
1gb atm, still loading |
02:13 |
Exio4 |
using the same ram as before |
02:13 |
VanessaE |
that's in the guest? |
02:13 |
Exio4 |
1.3 |
02:13 |
Exio4 |
yeah |
02:13 |
Exio4 |
windows vm |
02:14 |
VanessaE |
and what's linux do again with the same texture pack and settings? |
02:14 |
VanessaE |
4+ GB? |
02:14 |
Exio4 |
4gb a bit more |
02:14 |
VanessaE |
and you're dead certain that the windows guest is able to use ALL of the same features linux is? |
02:15 |
Exio4 |
actually more |
02:15 |
Exio4 |
[21:11:30] <Exio4> in your survival server, item preload + hdx-128 is 4.5gb~ of ram |
02:15 |
VanessaE |
? |
02:15 |
Exio4 |
[21:11:56] <Exio4> with "max settings" |
02:15 |
Exio4 |
lemme recheck |
02:17 |
Exio4 |
*** Error in `./bin/minetest': corrupted double-linked list: 0x0000000002f17fc0 *** |
02:17 |
Exio4 |
wtf is this |
02:17 |
Exio4 |
is this a known bug |
02:18 |
Exio4 |
a crash that came from nonwhere "corrupted double-linked list" |
02:18 |
Exio4 |
and i can't reproduce |
02:19 |
VanessaE |
that's a glibc trap is all I know about that one |
02:19 |
VanessaE |
but idk the cause |
02:20 |
Exio4 |
running two minetests |
02:20 |
Exio4 |
one in host and one in guest with exaxt same settings |
02:20 |
VanessaE |
hah |
02:20 |
VanessaE |
out of memory :D |
02:20 |
Exio4 |
nah |
02:20 |
Exio4 |
host = 5gb (aproximation) + vm (5gb) |
02:20 |
Exio4 |
=10gb |
02:23 |
Exio4 |
40% of cpu usage (average of all cpus) |
02:25 |
VanessaE |
so the linux build is still using ~4 times as much RAM as the windows build? |
02:25 |
Exio4 |
3.5~ :P |
02:26 |
VanessaE |
close enough |
02:26 |
VanessaE |
please, go mention this in -dev |
02:26 |
Exio4 |
1.2 -> 4.5 |
02:26 |
VanessaE |
in GREAT detail |
02:26 |
Exio4 |
3.75 |
02:26 |
VanessaE |
this shit needs documented that I'm not the only one with this problem |
02:26 |
Exio4 |
great detail? |
02:26 |
VanessaE |
yes |
02:26 |
VanessaE |
settings used, texture packs used, OS's involved, etc etc etc |
02:27 |
VanessaE |
I'm tired of everyone thinking I'm the only one who has these problems, and it's always because no one else (besides you and Jordach) ever bothers to fucking TRY. |
02:28 |
VanessaE |
and when they DO try, they don't try hard enough to reproduce the problem |
02:28 |
Exio4 |
lemme check a last thing |
02:28 |
VanessaE |
and when they start to come close, "oh, well I'm too <lazy, busy, tired> to deal with this now" or "well I don't care about this anyway." |
02:30 |
Exio4 |
the VM is still connecting |
02:31 |
VanessaE |
Just to rule it out: I turned off aniso, mipmap, trilinear because I know they take a small amount of RAM. my FPS shot WAY back up probably because my GPU can actually handle the load now, but it's still using over 12 GB of RAM. |
02:32 |
VanessaE |
13 now. |
02:33 |
* VanessaE |
turns off the normalmaps. |
02:35 |
VanessaE |
9.5 GB without normalmaps. |
02:35 |
VanessaE |
that's as lean as I can make it. |
02:35 |
VanessaE |
that's still almost twice as much as Jordach was using WITH normalmaps! |
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Exio4 |
ehm |
02:40 |
Exio4 |
what happens when shaders aren't supported? |
02:40 |
Exio4 |
red screen, no? |
02:41 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
02:42 |
Exio4 |
kk |
02:46 |
Exio4 |
ram usage went to 1.8 in the win build o.O |
02:46 |
Exio4 |
the same as the ram usage when i disabled shaders |
02:47 |
Exio4 |
thhat is why i asked VanessaE |
02:47 |
Exio4 |
i should sleep though |
02:49 |
VanessaE |
ok then, good night, and thanks for reporting that in the channel |
03:00 |
Mallot1 |
goodnight :) |
03:04 |
Piggybear87 |
<VanessaE> but it's still using over 12 GB of RAM |
03:04 |
Piggybear87 |
Holy hell! |
03:06 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1386 |
03:09 |
Piggybear87 |
Wow, what a rant. Lol. I don't have that much, if it tried that with me, my machine would melt like an ice cube in hell... Lol. |
03:15 |
Piggybear87 |
Good night all. I will leave this on, if you need something PM me and I'll get it in the morning. |
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sfan5 |
Exio4: complain to http://php-friends.de/ about shitty dl speeds |
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they_greefed_my_ |
hi on a server with 'protector' mode how do I make a protection node ? |
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they_greefed_my_ |
protector mod |
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they_greefed_my_ |
I have looked through the wiki/forum posts and web searched for details but can find none |
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VanessaE |
they_greefed_my_: sounds like glomies old protection mod |
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VanessaE |
I didn't know anyone still used that |
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VanessaE |
I think you use a square of silver ingots to make the protection node |
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they_greefed_my_ |
hi on a server with 'protector' mod , how do I make a protection node ? I have looked through the wiki/forum posts and web searched for details but can find none |
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they_greefed_my_ |
ah just saw your answer V |
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they_greefed_my_ |
thank you I'll give it a try :-) |
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nman3600 |
markv: I've reached maximum amount of land i can protect can i make another account to protect more? |
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nman3600 |
OldCoder I've reached maximum amount of land i can protect can i make another account to protect more? (this is on marks server btw) |
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OldCoder |
nman3600, let markv decide. I have no objection but it's a significant policy decision. |
07:11 |
nman3600 |
I need to claim more land for making pixel art which mark said he'll give me supermoderator if he likes it |
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nman3600 |
I've asked markv |
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OldCoder |
If you wish to do this tonight, go ahead and tell markv I said O.K. |
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OldCoder |
Ah |
07:12 |
OldCoder |
Well, I have no objection |
07:12 |
OldCoder |
Have fun |
07:12 |
OldCoder |
I should shut down the server in a while for backups |
07:12 |
OldCoder |
Things are in transition |
07:12 |
OldCoder |
In about an hour O.K. with you? Down for about 15 minutes possibly |
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nman3600 |
I've got school in 15 mins |
07:13 |
OldCoder |
!! |
07:14 |
OldCoder |
Well, not significant then |
07:14 |
nman3600 |
I'll speak to mark when i get back from school |
07:14 |
OldCoder |
Should be up after school |
07:14 |
OldCoder |
Unless moving |
07:14 |
OldCoder |
See you |
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nman3600 |
My room is such a small place it's hard to plan things in here |
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OldCoder |
Hm? |
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OldCoder |
kk |
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Hey asie |
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asie |
hi |
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kaeza |
mornings |
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Jordach |
i see a kaeza |
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kaeza |
hai |
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Jordach |
:3 |
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Jordach |
wtf twitter. |
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Jordach |
mornin Krock |
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Krock |
moin |
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Krock |
eh noons |
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Megaf |
Hi |
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Megaf |
!up minetest.megaf.info 30003 |
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MinetestBot |
minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (439ms) |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: maciej.kasatkino2.pl commited to minetest/minetest: Fix issue #1275 - one more missing check. c380563a12 2014-06-18T14:53:43+02:00 http://git.io/04TeEA |
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Krock |
2 hours almost-silence |
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Krock |
AAAAAAAA |
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* Krock |
MAKES SOME NOISE |
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* Exio4 |
slaps Krock |
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* Krock |
SLAPS Exio4 |
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* Taoki |
is currently working on adding a personality system to my fork of SimpleMobs :) |
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Krock |
s/my/his |
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Krock |
your F7 key is broken |
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Krock |
^ Taoki |
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Taoki |
? |
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Krock |
Taoki, F7 is 3rd person. "..system to my fork.." is 1st person |
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Krock |
therefore, F7 broken |
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Krock |
Weird bug.. wireless symbol shows up "Disconnected" but description sais "Connected to network foobar" |
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Exio4 |
F7? |
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Krock |
3rd person view ^ |
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Krock |
Jordach, I should try to do what you did with 2GB RAM and see if system crashes or not :3 |
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Exio4 |
ah |
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Taoki |
lol, I thought I'm seeing the wrong channel when I read everypony :) |
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Taoki |
and hi! |
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Krock |
Hay john! |
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Krock |
To anyone: Should [img] tags switch to [url] automatically when quoting a text? |
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Krock |
s/anyone/everypony |
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Exio4 |
how do i increase my view range |
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Krock |
+ and - |
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Exio4 |
decrease is -, and + doesn't seem to work :( |
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Krock |
numpad |
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Exio4 |
fff |
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Exio4 |
in numpad, i see |
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Krock |
works? |
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kaeza |
IWFM |
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Krock |
International Women's Media Foundation |
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Exio4 |
yeah, numpad's + works |
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Krock |
wait. that's F and M exchanged |
13:39 |
Krock |
ok |
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Exio4 |
it works for me |
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Krock |
IWFM: Integrated Water Flow Model |
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kaeza |
you fail |
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Krock |
nope.avi |
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Krock |
let's see how much meanings "XYZ" has |
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Krock |
many |
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Exio4 |
http://www.nr.com/CS395T/lectures2008/20-MultidimInterp.pdf \o/ |
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Krock |
ugh |
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Krock |
TL;DR alert |
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Krock |
much images |
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Krock |
noise! |
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Heyo |
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nman3600 |
Krock, I was going to make a gold to copper shop on your server but you've done it already :( |
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Krock |
gold to copper doesn't exist afaik |
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nman3600 |
Krock, you've got a steel to copper though |
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MinetestBot |
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Krock |
y |
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* Krock |
points at inchra.net |
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nman3600 |
inchra.net points at Krock |
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nman3600 |
markv, Can i make another account on your server to claim the other pixel arts i've made? |
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nman3600 |
!tell markv Please can you come on your server ASAP (i've got a few probs and some things to show you) |
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Eater4 |
Does anyone know how to get the damn faction mod to work |
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Eater4 |
Hello? Anyone??? |
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PenguinDad |
Hello everypony! |
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Eater4 |
Shit |
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Krock |
hi |
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Eater4 |
I need someone that knows how to work with spapers faction mod |
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nman3600 |
Krock can i make a coal to copper shop on your server (even though there's already a copper shop) |
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Krock |
I'll take my AK47 and kill you with one shoot if you do that |
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Krock |
^opposite |
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nman3600 |
Krock so i can? |
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Krock |
no. you can |
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nman3600 |
Yay i can |
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* Piggybear87 |
just formatted his spare 82GB HDD and it's almost full... |
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* Piggybear87 |
needs more HDDs... |
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* Krock |
gives Piggybear87 his 120 MB HDD |
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* sfan5 |
purrs at Krock |
15:24 |
sfan5 |
hi everyone |
15:24 |
Krock |
*125 MB actually |
15:24 |
Krock |
hi sfan5 |
15:25 |
* Piggybear87 |
throws that not even flash drive sized HDD back at Krock's face.../ |
15:25 |
Piggybear87 |
Lol |
15:26 |
Krock |
my newest and shortest lived HDD hat 250 GB space |
15:26 |
Krock |
*had |
15:26 |
* sfan5 |
throws a 16GB USB 3.0 drive at kaeza |
15:26 |
kaeza |
wat |
15:26 |
Piggybear87 |
I WAS going to get a 2TB, but, I need glasses. |
15:27 |
Piggybear87 |
kaeza, he threw part of his pron collection to you. Have fun! ;) |
15:27 |
kaeza |
glasses to read the HDD? :D |
15:27 |
Krock |
lol |
15:27 |
Krock |
glasses to see the screen |
15:27 |
Piggybear87 |
Lol, no, to see my screen... |
15:27 |
Krock |
^^ |
15:28 |
Piggybear87 |
I had some, but they broke. |
15:28 |
Piggybear87 |
Now I have to sit <1" from the screen to see it.. |
15:28 |
* Piggybear87 |
is a bat with no sonar... |
15:28 |
* Krock |
<3 ATAPI |
15:29 |
PenguinDad |
Piggybear87: bats actually have quite goof eyes |
15:29 |
PenguinDad |
*good |
15:30 |
Piggybear87 |
Where's ShadowBot? I was going to do "<3 ShaadowBot" but I noticed it's not there. |
15:30 |
Piggybear87 |
That's not what I leaned, but, OK. |
15:30 |
PenguinDad |
<3 MinetestBot |
15:30 |
MinetestBot |
<3 PenguinDad |
15:30 |
Krock |
Rest In Pie shadowbot |
15:30 |
Piggybear87 |
Lol. |
15:31 |
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15:32 |
Piggybear87 |
Why are there so many lurkers here? I just looked through the user list and noticed that I've never seen most of these people talk. |
15:32 |
Jordach |
because idlers |
15:32 |
Exio4 |
Piggybear87: i'm not a lurker, i'm just stalkin' you all |
15:32 |
Krock |
let's ping someone |
15:32 |
Krock |
grrk-bzzt |
15:33 |
Piggybear87 |
Like, why do they even mark away? Lol. They don't talk, we won't notice they're gone. Lol. |
15:33 |
nman3600 |
Krock, Restart? |
15:33 |
Exio4 |
because they could talk in another channel |
15:33 |
Exio4 |
nyuszika7h: ^ lurker |
15:33 |
nyuszika7h |
hi |
15:33 |
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15:33 |
Krock |
hi |
15:34 |
nman3600 |
Krock the FPS lag has hit your server, Restart Please |
15:34 |
Piggybear87 |
Enke, I like your rims. Lol. |
15:34 |
Krock |
nman3600, how can a server have FPS lag? |
15:34 |
Krock |
it's running on console! |
15:34 |
nman3600 |
Krock FPS goes down for most players |
15:35 |
Krock |
not a server problem |
15:35 |
nman3600 |
but still it's really laggy |
15:35 |
Piggybear87 |
Crap, I read his name wrong, the rims are spelled "Enkei"... |
15:36 |
nman3600 |
Krock, Please restart it |
15:36 |
Enke |
Piggybear87: Wrong! Go to the corner! |
15:37 |
nman3600 |
Ahh thanks Krock |
15:37 |
Piggybear87 |
I know I know... I'm ashamed, I love those rims... |
15:40 |
Piggybear87 |
YAAAAAYYYYYUUUUUHHHHHH! I just got may favorite non-car-related movie of all time! |
15:40 |
nman3600 |
markv, you here? |
15:41 |
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15:41 |
Piggybear87 |
AND it's sequel! Oh Yeah! :) |
15:42 |
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15:47 |
kaeza |
sfan5, for whatever reason it's not letting me download MT builds from your server. they start downloading OK, but get stuck somewhere on the 50% mark |
15:47 |
markv |
Hey everyone |
15:47 |
MinetestBot |
markv: 06-18 14:56 UTC <nman3600> Please can you come on your server ASAP (i've got a few probs and some things to show you) |
15:47 |
Krock |
(*.pf-control.de servers always work) |
15:48 |
markv |
nman3600, DON'T USE tell! |
15:48 |
markv |
I have ZNC |
15:48 |
nman3600 |
Lol |
15:48 |
markv |
Just message me and I will see that first, I don't always post to #minetest |
15:49 |
Krock |
yeah. private chats also exist. |
15:49 |
markv |
!tell nman3600 Stop using !tell |
15:49 |
MinetestBot |
markv: I'll pass that on when nman3600 is around |
15:49 |
nman3600 |
lol |
15:49 |
MinetestBot |
nman3600: 06-18 15:49 UTC <markv> Stop using !tell |
15:49 |
markv |
!tell nman3600 Stop using tell! |
15:49 |
MinetestBot |
markv: I'll pass that on when nman3600 is around |
15:49 |
sfan5 |
!ignore markv |
15:49 |
nman3600 |
seriously now |
15:49 |
MinetestBot |
nman3600: 06-18 15:49 UTC <markv> Stop using tell! |
15:49 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: 'markv' added to ignore list. |
15:49 |
sfan5 |
!ignore nman3600 |
15:49 |
markv |
Gotta use proper syntax |
15:49 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: 'nman3600' added to ignore list. |
15:50 |
nman3600 |
sfan5: Whai me? |
15:50 |
nman3600 |
Mark did i lag the server out |
15:50 |
m5 |
yes |
15:50 |
sfan5 |
nman3600: you did nothing.. right |
15:50 |
m5 |
A lot |
15:50 |
Krock |
that happens when you talk a lot and use some bot commands |
15:50 |
nman |
sfan5: you ignored me aswell |
15:50 |
sfan5 |
!unignore nman3600 |
15:50 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: 'nman3600' removed from ignore list. |
15:50 |
m5 |
Which is why I didn't let you have creative at first |
15:51 |
nman3600 |
m5 i was unclaiming all that land and the command has loaded yet |
15:51 |
kaeza |
http://i.imgur.com/pam9VFC.jpg |
15:51 |
kaeza |
:( |
15:51 |
Krock |
sfan5, could you add a !give command to MinetestBot? I'd like to have this feature because ShadowBot gone :/ |
15:51 |
LemonLake |
nman3600: there's another chan for server discussions |
15:51 |
sfan5 |
Krock: maybe |
15:51 |
LemonLake |
nman3600: correction: another server |
15:51 |
Krock |
hmm okay |
15:51 |
LemonLake |
this is not the place for it |
15:51 |
m5 |
~give markv steam |
15:52 |
Krock |
<Krock>... I'd like to have this feature because >>>>ShadowBot gone<<< :/ |
15:52 |
* Krock |
headdesks |
15:52 |
m5 |
Oh yea... |
15:53 |
nman3600 |
I want ShadowBot back |
15:53 |
m5 |
!unignore markv |
15:53 |
Krock |
kaeza, [Win] + [R], "iexplore <insert link>"-> hacky way |
15:53 |
Krock |
too bad |
15:53 |
nman3600 |
m5, I've unclaimed them now |
15:54 |
m5 |
Stop using creative |
15:54 |
m5 |
Get out of the interface |
15:54 |
m5 |
Then I can join |
15:54 |
Krock |
hint: /kick |
15:54 |
nman3600 |
m5 i have |
15:54 |
m5 |
Will have to replace that piece of shit asap |
15:54 |
nman3600 |
m5, I wasn't using it when the server crashed |
15:54 |
nman3600 |
I was unclaiming the land |
15:54 |
m5 |
It crashed?? |
15:54 |
nman3600 |
Well i crashed |
15:55 |
Krock |
('i' != "server") -> true |
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16:00 |
kaeza |
<Krock> kaeza, [Win] + [R], "iexplore <insert link>"-> hacky way |
16:00 |
kaeza |
fuck you too |
16:00 |
Krock |
- kaeza quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
16:00 |
Krock |
why so agressive? |
16:00 |
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16:01 |
m5 |
nman3600, https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas |
16:04 |
Krock |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xSNiPx791A |
16:05 |
nman3600 |
!title |
16:05 |
MinetestBot |
nman3600: Killer Clown Scare Prank! - YouTube |
16:05 |
Krock |
I love that dude |
16:05 |
nman3600 |
Krock i've seen that before |
16:05 |
Krock |
:( |
16:08 |
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16:20 |
nman3600 |
Lol |
16:21 |
nman3600 |
Krock, I was telling a friend about that vid at school today lol |
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16:24 |
rubenwardy |
Minetest Classic has built! |
16:24 |
rubenwardy |
It is like Minetest, but with no modding support |
16:24 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
16:24 |
rubenwardy |
and, Hi All! |
16:24 |
Megaf_ |
Hi? |
16:24 |
Megaf_ |
Hi rubenwardy |
16:25 |
Megaf_ |
[13:00:18] <kaeza> <Krock> kaeza, [Win] + [R], "iexplore <insert link>"-> hacky way |
16:25 |
Megaf_ |
Alt + F2, "firefox <insert link>" hacky way |
16:25 |
Megaf_ |
lol |
16:25 |
Megaf_ |
on Linux |
16:26 |
rubenwardy |
Why does Unity suck so bad? |
16:26 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: because it's OpenGL and in bad OpenGL |
16:26 |
Megaf |
heavy as heck |
16:27 |
Megaf |
I'm looking forward AMD's mantle |
16:29 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: you are aware that a gfx card supporting Mantle does not magically fix things? |
16:29 |
sfan5 |
s/?// |
16:33 |
PenguinDad |
Megaf: Is that Mantle thingy open? |
16:33 |
Megaf |
Yep |
16:33 |
Megaf |
and it's comming to Linux too, PenguinDad http://www.phoronix.com/ more info there |
16:34 |
Megaf |
sfan5: doesnt it? It needs developers using it, doesnt it? |
16:35 |
Jordach |
sapier, http://paste.debian.net/105679/ <- according to a MC modder, our shaders look good |
16:37 |
Krock |
Megaf, IE because it's installed on every windows >95 |
16:37 |
Krock |
* >= |
16:37 |
crazyR |
hi all |
16:37 |
Megaf |
Krock: netscape for the win(insert dows here) |
16:38 |
Krock |
hmm google translator takes long to translate that |
16:39 |
Krock |
Megaf, what ya mean by "dows"? |
16:39 |
* Krock |
headdesks |
16:39 |
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16:43 |
Jordach |
w0000000000000000000 |
16:43 |
Jordach |
moar shit turned up from Yodel! |
16:43 |
Jordach |
https://cdn.mediacru.sh/llA3v1XGrN4z.png |
16:43 |
VanessaE |
nice. |
16:44 |
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16:44 |
Jordach |
having to do what i did to my acer, convert it to it's limits (except this time a proper mobo because this is one of those really recent LGA775 Quads) |
16:44 |
Megaf |
Jordach: to they ship to Republic of Ireland? |
16:44 |
Jordach |
Megaf, i think they do |
16:45 |
Megaf |
cool, pretty good price they have |
16:45 |
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16:45 |
Megaf |
Jordach: lets time I got hardware parts online was from http://pixmania.ie/ |
16:46 |
Jordach |
Delivery options outside UK mainland; Delivery to Northern Ireland, Scottish Offshore, Scottish Highlands, Channel Islands, and Isle of Man Delivery optionsl; Within 2 - 3 working days Only £9.99 |
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16:46 |
Jordach |
they don't do Ireland, but NI should be fine(?) |
16:47 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, because the GPU i'm looking at needs those 90 degree SATA-3 leads - we had to get another, despite me only having one, the DVD drive had to go |
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16:52 |
VanessaE |
so what's it replacing? |
16:52 |
Jordach |
an old HP mobo |
16:52 |
VanessaE |
ah |
16:52 |
Jordach |
~2010 |
16:52 |
Jordach |
didn't support anything more than 2gb |
16:52 |
Calinou |
hi |
16:52 |
Calinou |
Jordach, why? only one RAM slot? |
16:53 |
Calinou |
if you have enough RAM slots but can only have N GB of RAM, the limitation is usually due to the chipset or CPU |
16:53 |
Calinou |
eg. B85 mobos can't use 32 GB even if they have 4 slots) |
16:53 |
Jordach |
Calinou, four; HP was being cheap with their Vista age mobos |
16:53 |
Jordach |
one of those cheap towers with shit mobos |
16:53 |
Jordach |
(which we found in a large metal bin) |
16:54 |
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16:54 |
Jordach |
but then again, those intel core quads are still packing a punch |
16:54 |
Calinou |
Intel C2Qs have pretty meh gaming performance (for AAA games) |
16:55 |
Calinou |
but changing CPU + mobo is very expensive |
16:55 |
Calinou |
so keep what you have |
16:55 |
Jordach |
we're keeping the CPU as it appears to have 7.1 CPU performance on W7 |
16:55 |
Jordach |
my APU is 7.2 |
16:55 |
Jordach |
figure the difference :P |
16:58 |
* m5 |
just wrote 700 words about how to use Live Linux and VirtualBox |
16:59 |
Krock |
What's the use of the "GLES"-library? |
17:00 |
Calinou |
W7 performance is ridiculously meaningless |
17:00 |
Calinou |
Krock, OpenGL ES is a subset of OpenGL for use in embedded devices like smartphones/tablets; it's supposedly lighter and simpler |
17:00 |
Calinou |
exists in 2.0 and 3.0 versions mostly |
17:00 |
Krock |
Well explained, thank you, Calinou :) |
17:00 |
Calinou |
no problem |
17:01 |
Jordach |
what doesn't Calinou know |
17:01 |
* Calinou |
wonders how many different states he should add to trampolines |
17:01 |
Calinou |
currently 6 (same as Jeija's mod) |
17:01 |
Jordach |
we should do weekly AMAs :P |
17:01 |
Calinou |
5? 8? |
17:01 |
Calinou |
(different states have different strengths and will maybe have different fall damage reduction) |
17:01 |
Krock |
states for trampolines? idle and jumping? |
17:01 |
Jordach |
Calinou, cushion, 0.25, 0.5, 0.75, 1, 1.25, 1.5, 1.75, 2, 9001 |
17:02 |
Krock |
I think 5 should be alreadyenough |
17:02 |
Calinou |
cushion is a separate item |
17:02 |
Jordach |
all mesured in speed reduction |
17:02 |
Calinou |
(easier to craft) |
17:02 |
Calinou |
100% fall damage reduction |
17:02 |
Calinou |
trampolines are 50 % only (to make abuse harder) and I'm going to disable_jump = 1 on them (to make very high jumps not possible) |
17:02 |
Calinou |
(probably) |
17:03 |
m5 |
Hmm |
17:03 |
m5 |
The password field clears itself when the serverlist gets updated |
17:03 |
Jordach |
holy shit i'm getting PMs shot from every direction |
17:04 |
Krock |
+1? |
17:04 |
Megaf |
[13:46:55] <Jordach> they don't do Ireland, but NI should be fine(?) |
17:04 |
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17:04 |
Megaf |
too bad, I got to find a good store in Ireland |
17:04 |
Calinou |
woah, jump sends you insanely high |
17:04 |
Calinou |
all of them |
17:05 |
Calinou |
~141 blocks |
17:05 |
Calinou |
for weak one |
17:05 |
Calinou |
if you hold jump key on them |
17:06 |
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17:12 |
Calinou |
still possible to jump insanely high on them, I have disable_jump = 1 group set :( |
17:12 |
Calinou |
that group doesn't work anyway |
17:13 |
Calinou |
“- disable_jump: Player (and possibly other things) cannot jump from node†|
17:13 |
Calinou |
in before Taoki broke this :-) |
17:14 |
Jordach |
s/in before/inb4 |
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17:16 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Make dropdown formspec elements send their value same style as buttons on change 2a09b7e84f 2014-06-18T18:47:41+02:00 http://git.io/WkaPfg |
17:22 |
nman3600 |
Is there a new minetest build? |
17:23 |
nman3600 |
sfan5: Is there? |
17:24 |
nman3600 |
TELL MAH NAOWWW! pls |
17:24 |
m5 |
inb4 kick |
17:24 |
nman3600 |
Is. There. A. New. Minetest. Build? |
17:24 |
LemonLake |
nman3600: there are many |
17:25 |
nman3600 |
My minetest_game world wont work anymore |
17:25 |
nman3600 |
worlds* |
17:25 |
m5 |
... |
17:25 |
LemonLake |
just finished ep 17 of hyouka, damn im flying through them |
17:25 |
m5 |
Maybe you should say what's wrong instead of assuming a reason |
17:25 |
m5 |
*What happens |
17:25 |
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17:26 |
LemonLake |
he prefers to be reset instead |
17:26 |
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17:31 |
* Calinou |
made pretty trampoline overlays |
17:32 |
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17:33 |
m5 |
70kb/sec... |
17:36 |
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17:42 |
grrk-bzzt |
I'm here Krock, what do you want? |
17:42 |
Krock |
grrk-bzzt, sorry, just a random call to see if everybody is afk or what happened |
17:43 |
* m5 |
loves his home server |
17:43 |
m5 |
Fuck that piece of shit in Buffalo, USA |
17:43 |
m5 |
...That Octa-Core piece of shit... |
17:44 |
* m5 |
sighs |
17:45 |
rubenwardy |
I fucking hate git |
17:45 |
m5 |
:( |
17:45 |
m5 |
<3 git |
17:45 |
kaeza |
why now? |
17:45 |
rubenwardy |
I just reverted a commit |
17:45 |
rubenwardy |
Can I revert a revert? |
17:45 |
* m5 |
doesn't know how to do that |
17:46 |
kaeza |
you can |
17:46 |
Megaf |
One think I'd really like is rollback a rollback |
17:46 |
m5 |
I uploaded my password once and n00bishly deleted the whole repo |
17:46 |
m5 |
rollbackcept...No |
17:46 |
kaeza |
(unless you rebased, that is) |
17:46 |
m5 |
I can use my server for git... |
17:46 |
kaeza |
s/rebased/squashed/ |
17:47 |
Calinou |
m5, all revisions are stored on Git |
17:47 |
Calinou |
so reverting isn't a solution to such a thing |
17:47 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy, did you try the same command you used for reverting? |
17:47 |
Calinou |
did you commit your revert? |
17:47 |
Calinou |
git reset may help |
17:48 |
Exio4 |
git revert the reverting commit |
17:49 |
Calinou |
RealBadAngel's shader changes makes stuff much darker, even sunlight |
17:50 |
Calinou |
only leaves rendering changes slightly |
17:51 |
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17:51 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: are you still using your new table? |
17:51 |
Calinou |
yes |
17:51 |
VanessaE |
maybe that's why? |
17:51 |
RealBadAngel |
Calinou, not much darker |
17:51 |
RealBadAngel |
1.2 instead of 1.3 for top of the nodes |
17:51 |
RealBadAngel |
thats contrast |
17:52 |
Calinou |
https://cdn.mediacru.sh/W52nPHV0oT0n.jpg |
17:52 |
Calinou |
https://cdn.mediacru.sh/UaYjb-F8PW1p.jpg |
17:52 |
Calinou |
first one without, second one with |
17:52 |
Calinou |
only difference is in leaves |
17:53 |
rubenwardy |
I meant to type git reset, Calinou, but I typed git revert :( |
17:53 |
rubenwardy |
Crisis adverted |
17:53 |
Calinou |
anyway, lava is finally actually bright |
17:53 |
RealBadAngel |
Calinou, what are you calling "much darker" then? |
17:54 |
RealBadAngel |
colors are the same now, with and without shaders |
17:54 |
Calinou |
it feels much darker when you have shaders enabled, compared to before's top faces |
17:54 |
Calinou |
oh, that's why |
17:54 |
Calinou |
that's a big change and you've never really told anyone :/ |
17:54 |
RealBadAngel |
ive trashed lotsa nonsense code |
17:54 |
RealBadAngel |
and made colors the same |
17:54 |
Calinou |
thanks for fixing lava and water anyway |
17:54 |
Calinou |
so shaders are almost useless now, for me |
17:54 |
RealBadAngel |
no |
17:55 |
Calinou |
only fixes fog on transparent surfaces? |
17:55 |
RealBadAngel |
thx to shaders you have bumpmapping, waving stuff etc |
17:55 |
RealBadAngel |
and more things in the future |
17:55 |
Calinou |
I use none of these |
17:55 |
Calinou |
distracting, lowers FPS for no reason :P |
17:55 |
Amaz |
^ +1 |
17:55 |
RealBadAngel |
but such trivial things like faces shading is aviable now for everyone |
17:56 |
RealBadAngel |
no matter with or without shaders |
17:56 |
Calinou |
but you did break packs :( mine looks quite oversaturated now |
17:56 |
* Calinou |
is off to sell it to Samsung |
17:56 |
Calinou |
I'll compare with the defaults and oldpack (0.3.x textures) |
17:56 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: I noticed that too - HDX looks like it needs some saturation adjustments as well |
17:56 |
VanessaE |
but that's a good thing |
17:56 |
Calinou |
good thing, why? |
17:56 |
VanessaE |
a LOT of stuff was under-saturated before. |
17:57 |
VanessaE |
(in HDX that is) |
17:57 |
RealBadAngel |
before it was broken |
17:57 |
RealBadAngel |
in shaders contrast were used 180% |
17:57 |
Amaz |
The face shading looks great! |
17:57 |
Calinou |
the textures look too contrasted |
17:57 |
Calinou |
why do you change contrast, and not brightness? |
17:57 |
RealBadAngel |
you dare to call it normal way? |
17:57 |
rubenwardy |
Calinou: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/9b1cc3242d6e06f2aba4 |
17:57 |
rubenwardy |
!title |
17:57 |
MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: Testing inconsistency detected by ld.so fix |
17:57 |
RealBadAngel |
idk who made it |
17:58 |
RealBadAngel |
but color manipulation was badly broken before |
17:58 |
Calinou |
anyway, my light table works nicely with your changes |
17:58 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: imagemagick will make it a 5 minute job to tune the color saturation back down to natural |
17:58 |
RealBadAngel |
thats why we had many issues with water etc |
17:58 |
VanessaE |
for your whole pack/game/etc. |
17:58 |
Calinou |
using oldpack in latest Git really feels like playing 0.3.x, sometimes :p |
17:59 |
Calinou |
VanessaE, yeah, but you will have to change all packs? |
17:59 |
Calinou |
that's annoying, for people who want to convert eg. Minecraft packs |
17:59 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: depends on the pack; HDX needs some tweaks, but not that many |
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17:59 |
Mallot1 |
hey |
18:00 |
VanessaE |
besides, Contrast is what defines how much light something is receiving |
18:00 |
VanessaE |
brightness really just sets the black level |
18:00 |
RealBadAngel |
anyway, if something was broken for a long time its not the reason to call it standard and fixing that situation breaking things |
18:01 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: how does Misa's pack look now in MT as compared to MC? |
18:01 |
Amaz |
Jordach, Remeber this? https://cdn.mediacru.sh/7aNQQfIE_QEy.png (I presume it's dead now...) |
18:01 |
Calinou |
will do some screenshots (of Minetest) |
18:01 |
Calinou |
the grass is very dark |
18:01 |
VanessaE |
Amaz: ew. |
18:02 |
Jordach |
dayum that's one old client |
18:02 |
Amaz |
Yep. |
18:02 |
Calinou |
apparently you don't need shaders to fix fogging on water |
18:02 |
Mallot1 |
why'd they call it minetest-classic? |
18:03 |
VanessaE |
that's definitely NOT darkrose's Minetest Classic |
18:03 |
Jordach |
Mallot1, because it's forked from classic |
18:04 |
Krock |
How the hell can I use the Incremental Building for minetest? |
18:04 |
Calinou |
rendering is exactly the same with and without shaders, except leaves differ a bit |
18:05 |
Calinou |
VanessaE, may or may not be to your taste: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/bUJ2bzqbXCvX.jpg |
18:05 |
Calinou |
https://mediacru.sh/13adf1351a9f |
18:05 |
Calinou |
four basic textures of Misa as a reference |
18:05 |
Amaz |
Nice. |
18:05 |
Calinou |
the new rendering is more accurate, but it breaks packs |
18:05 |
VanessaE |
how can it break a pack if it's more accurate? |
18:05 |
Calinou |
packs were designed with older lighting, even though it was disconnected of reality |
18:06 |
Calinou |
oh also that screenshot is very Minecrafty |
18:06 |
VanessaE |
yes, it is :) |
18:06 |
Calinou |
if you used a Minecraft map, some people could mix this with Minecraft for sure |
18:06 |
Jordach |
[19:06:24] <Jordach> comic sans D: |
18:06 |
Jordach |
[19:06:40] <VanessaE> HEY, I LIKE comic sans |
18:07 |
Calinou |
I still find it strange how RealBadAngel increased the contrast of the top face |
18:07 |
RealBadAngel |
lol |
18:07 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: he decreased it. |
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18:07 |
VanessaE |
from 1.3 -> 1.2. |
18:07 |
VanessaE |
it just looks like it's higher because the sides of the nodes are darker nod. |
18:07 |
VanessaE |
now* |
18:08 |
RealBadAngel |
and in shaders from 180% to 120% |
18:08 |
Calinou |
textures just feel more intense, than even the texture file |
18:08 |
RealBadAngel |
make all 1.0 |
18:08 |
RealBadAngel |
and you will see non changed textures |
18:09 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: I think it's a "getting used to it" sorta thing e.g. the whole *game* is probably what feels "more intense", and not so much the textures. |
18:09 |
VanessaE |
hm, that didn't come out right. |
18:09 |
VanessaE |
meh, you get the point |
18:09 |
RealBadAngel |
and still, it wont look the same as in gimp |
18:09 |
Calinou |
the nice thing is that dropped items and wieldhand integrate more nicely with the world (same colours) |
18:09 |
Calinou |
before they were quite different |
18:09 |
Calinou |
thanks for that too |
18:10 |
RealBadAngel |
np |
18:10 |
RealBadAngel |
you will get used to new feel |
18:11 |
* Jordach |
didn't require adjustment |
18:11 |
RealBadAngel |
and will notice makin textures will be now easier |
18:11 |
whiskers75 |
bye ^whiskers75 |
18:11 |
whiskers75 |
yay, irssi |
18:11 |
VanessaE |
RealBadAngel: next change I'd really like to see is properly-working lighting on nodeboxes |
18:11 |
VanessaE |
even if it just makes them work like everything else does. |
18:11 |
Jordach |
i had already been experimenting with something called MT4 ;P |
18:12 |
Calinou |
TIL: you can use Enter or Space to press the button you last pressed in a formspec |
18:12 |
Calinou |
I also like the idea that rendering is the same with and without shaders |
18:12 |
Calinou |
it's less discriminating to people with old PCs |
18:13 |
RealBadAngel |
to some point of course |
18:13 |
Calinou |
shaders fix one fairly important thing however: lighting of dark water, when you see it behind brighter water |
18:13 |
Calinou |
at least in some cases |
18:14 |
RealBadAngel |
water is not affected with shading |
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18:14 |
Calinou |
RealBadAngel, is there any chance that you test my light table changes and merge them? |
18:14 |
RealBadAngel |
all faces have same contrast level |
18:14 |
RealBadAngel |
i can test it ofc |
18:14 |
Calinou |
I meant transparency sorting |
18:14 |
VanessaE |
RealBadAngel: I did notice a glitch with shaders vs. lava - at a far distance, lava tends to peak through the lava when nothing else does. |
18:14 |
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18:14 |
VanessaE |
er lava peaks through the FOG rather. |
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18:15 |
VanessaE |
e.g. go near some lava, in the daytime, then fly up high in the air. eventually all you'll see is the lava peeking through the fog, before it also disappears. |
18:15 |
Calinou |
https://cdn.mediacru.sh/nGtX9Aohm8up.jpg |
18:15 |
Calinou |
https://cdn.mediacru.sh/RJ_VEapZGlwZ.jpg |
18:15 |
Calinou |
without and with. fog feels more intense without shaders, or is this just me? |
18:16 |
Calinou |
colours are a tad different (better) with shaders on too |
18:16 |
Jordach |
that isn't just you Calinou |
18:16 |
VanessaE |
I see a difference in the fog, but that could just be draw distance? |
18:16 |
Calinou |
I forced 100 on both |
18:16 |
VanessaE |
the water cave darkness glitch, I've seen before. |
18:17 |
Jordach |
Calinou, notice that sand becomes a bit more bluish with shadars |
18:17 |
VanessaE |
in that case, yeah, the fog is thicker in ...8up.jpg |
18:17 |
Jordach |
yes, i'm calling it that from now on |
18:17 |
Jordach |
needs moar shadars |
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18:20 |
Calinou |
lava is not fogged, indeed, VanessaE (shaders on) |
18:20 |
Calinou |
maybe because the texture must have an alpha channel? |
18:20 |
VanessaE |
screenshot for RBA please? :) |
18:21 |
Calinou |
https://cdn.mediacru.sh/KwNZBnc1Wwt8.jpg → I wanted to troll people in another channel |
18:21 |
Calinou |
failed |
18:21 |
Exio4 |
i'm a nice shibe |
18:22 |
Calinou |
https://cdn.mediacru.sh/L-5OWEMOCU9Z.jpg |
18:22 |
* Calinou |
uses Exio4 to mine Dogecoin |
18:22 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: indeed HDX's lava has no alpha channel, nor should it need one - lava is opaque for crying out loud :P |
18:22 |
jin_xi |
more irrlicht particle eyecandy http://youtu.be/5WnmQYLJzlE |
18:23 |
VanessaE |
very nice, jin_xi |
18:23 |
VanessaE |
what kind of FPS effect do those particles have? |
18:23 |
EvergreenTree |
jin_xi: pretty! |
18:24 |
lemonlake |
fpssy |
18:24 |
* Calinou |
eats the eye candy |
18:24 |
EvergreenTree |
maybe rain particles would be less laggy with Irllicht particles |
18:24 |
EvergreenTree |
lots of them I mean |
18:25 |
VanessaE |
EvergreenTree: indeed so |
18:25 |
kaeza |
speaking of candies... candybox 2 sucks :< |
18:25 |
kaeza |
anyway, nice jin_xi |
18:25 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: does it change if you add an alpha channel to the textures? |
18:26 |
jin_xi |
paricle spawners which do not require collision detection should be doable easily |
18:26 |
VanessaE |
jin_xi: they look quite performant indee.d |
18:26 |
VanessaE |
indeed* |
18:27 |
VanessaE |
how far do you figure you are from something that can replace what we have now? |
18:27 |
jin_xi |
idk, i dont think any of my code is suitable for engine inclusion |
18:27 |
VanessaE |
too bad. |
18:28 |
jin_xi |
but RBA can do it in an afternoon i guess |
18:28 |
RealBadAngel |
nice particles |
18:28 |
RealBadAngel |
could be used as fire for 3d torches |
18:31 |
Calinou |
VanessaE, it looks like it doesn't |
18:31 |
VanessaE |
ok, that's a good thing than ;) |
18:32 |
VanessaE |
means I don't have to bloat HDX's textures up any further than they already are :P |
18:32 |
Calinou |
trying around all my packs with new lighting |
18:32 |
Calinou |
many look as well as before |
18:32 |
Calinou |
MCE is totally awesome on it, especially in caves |
18:33 |
Calinou |
lol, found diamond |
18:33 |
Calinou |
ugh, stone monsters |
18:33 |
Calinou |
they don't attack me |
18:33 |
VanessaE |
simple mobs? |
18:33 |
Mallot1 |
they attack at night |
18:34 |
Mallot1 |
deeper you go the more agressive |
18:34 |
Calinou |
VanessaE, yes |
18:34 |
Calinou |
Mallot1, no, it's a bug |
18:34 |
Calinou |
sometimes they'll only wander around and not attack you |
18:34 |
Calinou |
often happens after death or server rejoin |
18:34 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: that mod went batshit on my server the other day, spawned thousands of entities. had to remove it :( |
18:34 |
Mallot1 |
oh i thought they liked me :) |
18:34 |
Calinou |
PilzAdam, are you aware of that? probably, but just making sure |
18:35 |
Calinou |
i've never never had that problem however, VanessaE |
18:35 |
VanessaE |
I've seen at least one other report of it happening to someone, a while back |
18:35 |
VanessaE |
no clue who, when, or why. |
18:35 |
Mallot1 |
VanessaE: that happened to me on BrandonsReese's server one or 2 times |
18:35 |
VanessaE |
anyway, bbl. |
18:36 |
Mallot1 |
bye |
18:36 |
m5 |
Hello pplz |
18:36 |
Mallot1 |
hey m5! :) |
18:37 |
m5 |
Gello there |
18:37 |
Calinou |
VanessaE, try Carbone's version? may have fixes |
18:37 |
Calinou |
it's hugely tweaked |
18:37 |
Calinou |
has 1 additional mob too |
18:41 |
jin_xi |
msg RealBadAngel if you wanna try yourself here is the changed function in particles.cpp http://paste.ubuntu.com/7665057/ |
18:41 |
jin_xi |
oh well |
18:41 |
jin_xi |
#include <irrlicht.h> too |
18:42 |
Calinou |
https://cdn.mediacru.sh/7Q9wR8Orcybu.jpg |
18:42 |
Calinou |
https://cdn.mediacru.sh/udoFkcudNncs.jpg |
18:42 |
Calinou |
https://cdn.mediacru.sh/5fbJ8ZdxL0DD.jpg |
18:44 |
Krock |
sfan5, how can I go around the build-from-scratch after changing the VERSION_EXTRA in cmake? |
18:44 |
sfan5 |
you can't |
18:44 |
Krock |
so, you build from scratch, too? |
18:45 |
sfan5 |
YES |
18:45 |
Krock |
^ sfan5 |
18:45 |
Krock |
oh |
18:45 |
Krock |
thanks for the help |
18:52 |
jin_xi |
hm, i wonder about that particle collision issue. digging particles obviously need it, but it could be argued they're more like fragments of the destroyed node |
18:53 |
jin_xi |
do many mods use particle spawners with collision detection? |
18:53 |
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18:53 |
kaeza |
I used to use it on firearms for spent cases |
18:54 |
jin_xi |
but again, thats more of an object that kinda hangs around than a particle |
18:54 |
kaeza |
but in that case I can easily switch to entities |
18:54 |
jin_xi |
particle in the computer graphics, where it usually is a texture depicting many very small stuffs |
18:54 |
jin_xi |
think i forgot a word there |
18:55 |
jin_xi |
maybe it makes sense to keep single particles for such uses and add irrlicht ones for 'particle fx' stuff |
18:56 |
kaeza |
things like rain, snow, etc. could use collision detection though |
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18:56 |
kaeza |
maybe some flag to choose between "old" and "new" particles? |
18:56 |
ligeti |
Hello |
18:57 |
Amaz |
Hi! |
18:57 |
jin_xi |
so server needs to know about every drop... lets make finite liquid and wather on that base |
18:57 |
ligeti |
Amaz :) I installed Mint :P (thanks God I had a backup of all my files!) |
18:58 |
ligeti |
thanks for your help |
18:58 |
kaeza |
jin_xi, ? |
18:59 |
Amaz |
ligeti: Great! |
18:59 |
Calinou |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=156&p=145455#p145455 |
19:02 |
kaeza |
alright |
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19:03 |
Calinou |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=156&p=145455#p145233 → Carbone user spotted (textures, 3D torch) |
19:03 |
Calinou |
and “Spawned mobs:†message |
19:03 |
Calinou |
(they should update their copy, mobs now have descriptions in spawn message) |
19:04 |
lemonlake |
is that multitest lamps in there |
19:05 |
Calinou |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1362 → here goes paramat's science |
19:05 |
Calinou |
lemonlake, the 3D torches are from Carbone's default mod |
19:05 |
Calinou |
the lamp blocks, no idea |
19:05 |
lemonlake |
they look like the multitest lamps |
19:06 |
lemonlake |
this guy used my bros mod :D |
19:07 |
Amaz |
http://i.imgur.com/7npiAXl.png <-- Calinou, your own screenshot? |
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19:08 |
Calinou |
no |
19:08 |
Calinou |
found it on screenshots topic |
19:08 |
Amaz |
Right. |
19:08 |
Amaz |
Just wondering ;) |
19:08 |
* whiskers75 |
meows at sfan5 |
19:10 |
* sfan5 |
meows at whiskers75 |
19:11 |
whiskers75 |
:) |
19:11 |
* Calinou |
is doing test of Simple Mobs with 300 seconds life timer instead of 600 |
19:14 |
m5 |
I can't get rid of sendmail now... |
19:14 |
Calinou |
also improving mob despawn messages to be more informative |
19:23 |
Calinou |
none of the mobs despawned? no message |
19:28 |
Calinou |
PilzAdam, self.lifetimer seems to barely work only, on ~100 mobs, only ~4 despawn |
19:29 |
Calinou |
set it to 300 instead of 600 |
19:29 |
Calinou |
I'll try very short time |
19:29 |
Calinou |
I'll try with 10 to see |
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19:34 |
Calinou |
printing dtime makes stuff like 21:33:56: ACTION[ServerThread]: 0.032000001519918, lol |
19:38 |
rubenwardy |
Wtf? Why is github adding merge commits now? |
19:39 |
rubenwardy |
did git pull origin branchone; git push origin branchtwo; and a merge message was added in the history on GitHub |
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19:42 |
PenguinDad |
playing with item frames https://cdn.mediacru.sh/ZmPE1EaWoK_0.png |
19:43 |
PilzAdam |
rubenwardy, dont pull |
19:43 |
PilzAdam |
it creates merge commits if you are not careful |
19:43 |
rubenwardy |
What is the alternative? |
19:43 |
PilzAdam |
rebase |
19:44 |
rubenwardy |
ah |
19:44 |
PilzAdam |
pull doesn't create a merge commit if your branch does not differ |
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* Jordach |
purrs at BlockMen |
20:09 |
BlockMen |
hi Jordach |
20:12 |
EvergreenTree |
Hi BlockMen |
20:13 |
* Jordach |
taps EvergreenTree |
20:14 |
Taoki |
Is there a Lua command to clear all entities on the server except players? |
20:15 |
Jordach |
Taoki, /clearobjects |
20:15 |
Jordach |
that no longer clears players afaik |
20:15 |
Taoki |
thanks |
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BlockMen |
hi EvergreenTree |
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* Jordach |
taps EvergreenTree |
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* sfan5 |
taps EvergreenTree |
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* Jordach |
flips the table |
20:38 |
* PenguinDad |
flops the table |
20:38 |
* Jordach |
flips the table |
20:38 |
* table |
flips Jordach |
20:38 |
Jordach |
lel |
20:39 |
Jordach |
:3 |
20:39 |
kaeza |
also, registered :< |
20:39 |
kaeza |
RC Car now in MMDB!...once someone approves! |
20:39 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix bounding rect for formspec elements label vertlabel and checkboxes 65a4630f31 2014-06-18T22:38:29+02:00 http://git.io/egXfpA |
20:39 |
EvergreenTree |
Trees don't flip tables, trees flip ground |
20:40 |
EvergreenTree |
kaeza: I was actually experimenting with an rc node |
20:40 |
* Jordach |
wonders if EvergreenTree always uses root account |
20:40 |
EvergreenTree |
how do you control it? |
20:40 |
EvergreenTree |
lel |
20:40 |
* kaeza |
pokes Jordach to approve rc_car |
20:40 |
EvergreenTree |
My idea was that a controller item could be used |
20:41 |
* sfan5 |
roots RootTree |
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20:41 |
EvergreenTree |
every time you punch with the controller , the car goes the direction you are pointing |
20:41 |
EvergreenTree |
I was also thinking of having multiple channels for the remote/car |
20:41 |
EvergreenTree |
like the teleport pipes in pipeworks |
20:41 |
* RootTree |
just noticed that RootTree isn't registered |
20:41 |
kaeza |
EvergreenTree, that's exactly how the car is controlled... |
20:41 |
EvergreenTree |
ah |
20:42 |
EvergreenTree |
the channels thing might be something you would want to implement though |
20:42 |
kaeza |
you turn on the car (via right click), then click somewhere with remote and car goes there |
20:42 |
EvergreenTree |
ah |
20:42 |
kaeza |
pull requests welcome :) |
20:42 |
EvergreenTree |
mkay |
20:43 |
kaeza |
o wait, there's no github repo |
20:43 |
EvergreenTree |
lol |
20:43 |
EvergreenTree |
make one |
20:43 |
EvergreenTree |
I might have a go at it |
20:43 |
EvergreenTree |
not good with formspecs and metadata though |
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kaeza |
EvergreenTree, https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-rc_car |
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Piggybear87 |
The eff? |
20:52 |
Vazon |
Hi guys |
20:52 |
* PenguinDad |
slaps Remote host for closing Piggybear87's connection |
20:53 |
Piggybear87 |
No, not that. That was me. |
20:53 |
Piggybear87 |
Hi Vazon. |
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Vazon |
lol |
20:55 |
Piggybear87 |
I have 2 HDDs in my machine (other than the main one), and every time I try to access one of them, my machine lags out. I can't get to the stuff I just downloaded. |
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Piggybear87 |
Got it... |
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Jordach |
kaeza, i don't bother with MMDB |
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Jordach |
it's too much hassle for a button press |
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Jordach |
I was told to moderate the forums, not to approve mods. |
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kaeza |
okai |
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* kaeza |
self-approves it then |
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kaeza |
also repost from elsewhere: https://i.imgur.com/eqgCuO9.jpg |
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Megaf |
!seen Krock |
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MinetestBot |
Megaf: krock was last seen at 2014-06-18 16:39:12 UTC on #minetest |
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PenguinDad |
≡_≡ |
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Miner_48er |
!seen cheapie |
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MinetestBot |
Miner_48er: cheapie was last seen at 2014-06-02 05:00:51 UTC on #minetest |
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PenguinDad |
!seen expensivie |
21:54 |
MinetestBot |
PenguinDad: Sorry, I haven't seen expensivie around. |
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Miner_48er |
!seen Vazon |
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MinetestBot |
Miner_48er: vazon was last seen at 2014-06-14 07:28:59 UTC on #minetest |
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kaeza |
!seen seen_around |
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MinetestBot |
kaeza: Sorry, I haven't seen seen_around around. |
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Vazon |
yes? |
21:56 |
Miner_48er |
hi Vazon |
21:56 |
Vazon |
Hi :) |
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Miner_48er |
still looking for Lazy? |
21:57 |
Vazon |
Well ether of you will do |
21:57 |
Vazon |
I was wonding what you guys are using to access others peoples locked chests? |
21:58 |
Miner_48er |
the permafy mod causes some problems through |
21:58 |
Vazon |
o so permafy does that? |
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Miner_48er |
yes LazyJ^ |
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Vazon |
mhmm i thought you guys coded something for that |
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webdesigner97 |
hello |
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Megaf |
I hate rollback, it doesnt work |
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Megaf |
it fails often |
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webdesigner97 |
ShadowNinja: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1387 What do you mean by "... to put this..."? |
22:02 |
ShadowNinja |
webdesigner97: ... to **put** this ... |
22:02 |
Miner_48er |
we didn't it's a side effect |
22:02 |
Vazon |
Megaf, just make sure you keep your rollback file small |
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ShadowNinja |
webdesigner97: It means "use 'put' there". |
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Megaf |
how? |
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Megaf |
deleting it? |
22:03 |
Megaf |
Then how Im suposed to find griefers? |
22:03 |
Megaf |
using a huge debug.txt? |
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webdesigner97 |
I guess I'll just split the line to make you happy :P |
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webdesigner97 |
One other thing: |
22:03 |
Megaf |
bloody hell |
22:03 |
Vazon |
Megaf, delete it every few days and that should be enough |
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ShadowNinja |
Megaf: sqlite3 rollback.sqlite 'DELETE FROM action WHERE time < <some time long ago>; VACUUM;' |
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Megaf |
no vazon, sometimes I find huge griefings that are old |
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webdesigner97 |
"You should use screen.display_width and screen.display_height here, just like you do above." Where? in the <not is_yes(...)> part? |
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ShadowNinja |
^ That will trim it down without deleting the whole thing. |
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webdesigner97 |
That would be useless. When I turn off fullscreen, it restores the default window size |
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ShadowNinja |
VACUUM actually frees up the disk space, but reconstructs the DB, so is (very) slow. |
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Megaf |
It doesnt help gaining much space |
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Megaf |
and again, space is not my problem |
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Megaf |
rollback saying nobody touched a node when someone actually did is the problem |
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Vazon |
Megaf do you have self claiming on? |
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Megaf |
I dont even know what that is |
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Vazon |
Megaf, where people can claim there own land using markers or commands |
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Megaf |
I should just stop caring about people |
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acerspyro |
I'm trying to run Minetest on my 64-bit openSUSE 13.1 machine, but it segfaults immediately as I start it. Any reason it could do that? |
22:10 |
Megaf |
acerspyro; lots of |
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Vazon |
Megaf if you turn on self claiming and get the markers mod, then its there own fault if they get griefed |
22:10 |
Megaf |
where did you get minetest from? |
22:11 |
acerspyro |
Package manager |
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Megaf |
Vazon; its a public road that was griefed |
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Vazon |
o.... mhmmm |
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Megaf |
acerspyro; so you should complain to the one who packaged minetest, its a bug in hist compilation |
22:11 |
Megaf |
his* |
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acerspyro |
Megaf: Minetest works perfectly on this laptop |
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Piggybear87 |
<kaeza> also repost from elsewhere: https://i.imgur.com/eqgCuO9.jpg |
22:11 |
Piggybear87 |
Lmfao |
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acerspyro |
openSUSE, altho it's a 32-bit system |
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Megaf |
acerspyro; so its a bug on the 64 bit version |
22:12 |
Megaf |
acerspyro; #openSUSE |
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acerspyro |
Where do you propose I get the source files from? |
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acerspyro |
Megaf: They don't answer packages requests, I need to send an e-mail |
22:13 |
Megaf |
acerspyro; yep, I can help you geting the latest source and compiling it yourself |
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acerspyro |
I know how to compile, only need the link |
22:13 |
Megaf |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest |
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Megaf |
acerspyro; https://github.com/minetest/minetest/archive/master.zip |
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acerspyro |
ty |
22:14 |
Megaf |
or the stable and older one https://github.com/minetest/minetest/archive/stable-0.4.zip |
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acerspyro |
The bleeding-edge lifestyle suits me :) |
22:16 |
Piggybear87 |
Vazon, You're 30012, right? |
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Vazon |
yes or you can try my mapgen v7 map |
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Vazon |
me and Cherudim are on the c7 one |
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Vazon |
v7* |
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Piggybear87 |
There's lava pouring out of a house. Lol. |
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Piggybear87 |
What's the address and port? |
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kaeza |
Vazon is 30012 years old? O_o |
22:17 |
Piggybear87 |
kaeza, Yes, yes he is. |
22:17 |
kaeza |
wow |
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Vazon |
75.131.40.131 30000 |
22:18 |
kaeza |
:P |
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Miner_48er |
!up 75.131.40.131 30000 |
22:18 |
MinetestBot |
75.131.40.131:30000 is up (143ms) |
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Vazon |
kaeze shhhhh if they find out they will take me away and do tests on me D: |
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Piggybear87 |
Lmfao. |
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BlockMen |
gd night |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: maciej.kasatkino2.pl commited to minetest/minetest: Add tooltips for button, imagebutton and checkbox. 04fbf47744 2014-06-19T00:22:03+02:00 http://git.io/g8ADuA |
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kaeza |
\o/ |
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Megaf |
folks, is there a good and definive way to block everything that is not minetest from connecting to my server? |
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Jordach |
Megaf, the firewall of course :3 |
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Megaf |
lol |
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* Jordach |
taps kaeza |
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kaeza |
rm -fr ~/* |
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Megaf |
once I did much worse than that |
22:42 |
kaeza |
yes? |
22:42 |
kaeza |
Jordach, my system clock isn't even right |
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Megaf |
at the time I knew just a really little English |
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Jordach |
dammit :3 |
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Jordach |
fix it :3 |
22:42 |
Megaf |
and someone said to do the command wipe -azv / |
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Megaf |
to fix an issue I had |
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kaeza |
lol |
22:43 |
Megaf |
and then I did that wipe |
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Megaf |
with all my disks and partitions mounted |
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Megaf |
including a backup disk |
22:43 |
Megaf |
I lost several years worth of photography |
22:44 |
Jordach |
you mean missing file links |
22:44 |
Megaf |
so please folks, dont tell dangerous commands... |
22:44 |
kaeza |
Jordach, Windows wants me to browse several pages, click half a dozen links, browse 20 more pages, to get to the spinbutton to change the time 3 hours back |
22:44 |
Jordach |
if you were to manage to repair the file link to the datablock, it's recoverable |
22:44 |
Megaf |
Jordach; the command wipe actually is used to wipe the content itself |
22:44 |
Jordach |
Megaf, there's a large ~3 month hole in my Dropbox folder |
22:44 |
Megaf |
wipe is intended to destroy data |
22:44 |
Jordach |
because of rm -rf / |
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Jordach |
on my old desktop |
22:45 |
kaeza |
<.< |
22:45 |
* kaeza |
hides |
22:45 |
Jordach |
kaeza, why'd you think i sync dropbox now :3 |
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Megaf |
Jordach; I know dat feelin' bro |
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VanessaE |
hi |
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Megaf |
Hi :) |
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Exio4 |
\o/ got Real World Haskell |
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Jordach |
hey paramat |
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paramat |
hiya |
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Jordach |
paramat, down to 37 posts :D |
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paramat |
up to 42 mods ;) |
23:55 |
Jordach |
universally computable :3 |
23:57 |
Jordach |
TIL Firefox supports APNG out of the box. |
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Jordach |
welp, i'm going to bed |