IRC log for #minetest, 2014-05-27

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00:07	WindHero	well, I ran into another interesting problem
00:08	WindHero	minetest.setting_get_pos("config_pos") lets you retrieve a position
00:08	WindHero	but minetest.setting_set won't let you set a pos
00:08	WindHero	and there is no setting_set_pos()
00:19	WindHero	...does Minetest even use static_spawnpoint?
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00:23	ShadowNinja	WindHero: Yes it does. See builtin/game/static_spawn.lua
00:24	WindHero	hmm
00:24	WindHero	is there anything that blocks mods from setting that value during runtime?
00:24	WindHero	I clearly have my mod set to write a value to there
00:24	WindHero	but when I check the config file after, nothing's there
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00:29	Piggybear87	Ooops, Meant to minimize, not exit...
00:35	WindHero	alright, got it working :D
00:35	WindHero	I swore I set the permissions for the config file right
00:35	WindHero	but I was wrong
00:35	WindHero	I set them on the wrong installation :P
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00:36	LemonLake	Hai guise
00:36	LemonLake	Me on real mint now :D
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01:53	LemonLake	So, this is the error which I was not getting. This is the error which caused me this entire trouble in the first damn place.
01:53	LemonLake	http://imgur.com/fPxAO9I
01:57	kaeza	LemonLake, you are probably trying to index using a nil value
01:57	LemonLake	Indeed I am.
01:57	kaeza	LemonLake, can you pastebin the relevant code?
01:57	LemonLake	Except I was not being told that on Windows, so I've seen spending hours trying to get a Mint VM to work.
01:57	kaeza	lol
01:57	LemonLake	And now I've just got a dual-boot mint working and I wish I'd done it sooner, this is AMAZING.
01:57	LemonLake	Plus I get errors now.
01:58	LemonLake	Which is better than an errorless crash.
01:58	LemonLake	I can give you the bitbucket if you wish
01:58	LemonLake	https://bitbucket.org/LemonLake/ace-of-picks/src
01:58	LemonLake	I believe the issue lies somewhere within ace.lua around player joining.
01:58	kaeza	welcome to the world of Linux. have a seat, a "which is the bestest distro" flamewar will follow shortly
01:59	LemonLake	we had a mini-one earlier
01:59	kaeza	ah welcome party I see :P
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01:59	LemonLake	:P
02:00	Vazon	hrmp stupid internet stoped
02:00	LemonLake	How can I get the console to show?
02:00	LemonLake	I don't have a visible console
02:01	Vazon	Lemon what are you trying to do?
02:01	LemonLake	I'm on mint now
02:02	LemonLake	But the game doesn't launch with a console or anything
02:02	Megaf	People, I have a great idea for the best mod evar, but I cant code
02:02	Megaf	so, help?
02:02	Vazon	What is it Megaf?
02:02	LemonLake	I would like to hear this idea
02:02	Megaf	Vazon; Skype
02:02	Vazon	ok
02:03	Megaf	LemonLake; want to joing the skype chat?
02:03	kaeza	LemonLake, try using xterm/rxvt
02:03	LemonLake	I have a reaaaaaaaaaaaly old version of skype because I'm on mint
02:03	LemonLake	But if it's text, sure
02:03	Megaf	yep, text, my skype is eumegaf
02:03	LemonLake	Is xterm builtin to linux?
02:04	kaeza	it's part of the windowing system
02:17	SmugLeaf	22:03:13 < LemonLake> I have a reaaaaaaaaaaaly old version of skype because I'm on mint
02:18	SmugLeaf	< LemonLake> I have a reaaaaaaaaaaaly old version of skype because I'm on linux and skype is shit and will never release an update
02:18	SmugLeaf	fixed
02:18	LemonLake	yes
02:18	SmugLeaf	skype is shit for multiple reasons, but leaving linux to die is top 5 for sure
02:19	SmugLeaf	please tox don't be crap
02:19	SmugLeaf	please please please
02:36	Piggybear87	How do you do "last seen"?
02:42	Piggybear87	seen
02:43	Piggybear87	print "Hello?"
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02:58	LemonLake	Okay, back to my error
02:58	LemonLake	ace.textures seems to be nil
02:58	LemonLake	No, empty
02:58	LemonLake	I just did a dump
03:22	LemonLake	So it works.
03:22	MegAFK	Bye all
03:22	LemonLake	Okay, cya.
03:23	kaeza	away nicks kill
03:23	LemonLake	^
03:27	LemonLake	Ugh
03:27	LemonLake	Why can't minetest just catch lua errors
03:30	LemonLake	oh no wonder I kept thinking that was a stupid error
03:30	LemonLake	Turns out I can deceive myself into thinking there's an entire block of code where there is actually not
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05:22	realtinymonster	i hate google...
05:25	realtinymonster	no youtube acc. without google acc. , no google acc. without phone #!
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06:23	deezl	yo
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09:44	nman3600	hi
09:45	LemonLake	Sup
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10:06	RealBadAngel	hi LemonLake
10:06	LemonLake	Hey!
10:06	RealBadAngel	i can see that one more happy linux user has born ;)
10:06	VanessaE	hi
10:06	LemonLake	So much progress is being made on this Linux :D
10:06	LemonLake	Indeed :D
10:07	RealBadAngel	i told ya, nowadays linuxes are way better than winshit
10:07	LemonLake	By far.
10:07	VanessaE	I've run exclusively linux on my desktop for ...oh.. 15 years I guess.
10:07	LemonLake	The only problem with them is that they lack apps
10:07	LemonLake	Apart from that, they're perfect.
10:07	RealBadAngel	not really
10:07	LemonLake	They have a plentiful but a lot of the main PC ones aren't up-to-date or something
10:08	RealBadAngel	you are just used to paid, windows versions
10:08	RealBadAngel	just look out for free alternatives
10:08	LemonLake	Yeah
10:08	LemonLake	I've always got my windows there on just reboot if I actually need it
10:08	RealBadAngel	i do also have windows to boot in, just for testing the shaders work
10:09	LemonLake	My Windows will probably be for gaming and video editing, and this Linux for everything else
10:09	RealBadAngel	theres Wine
10:09	LemonLake	There is but it's not the best
10:09	RealBadAngel	you can launch win apps in linux env
10:09	RealBadAngel	not all of them, but a great number
10:10	nman3600	hey RealBadAngel
10:10	LemonLake	Does text get scaled automatically?
10:10	RealBadAngel	including windows builds of minetest ;)
10:10	LemonLake	:D
10:10	LemonLake	No it does not, perfect
10:10	LemonLake	I can use pixel offsets for this death tracker >:)
10:10	RealBadAngel	hi VanessaE, nman3600
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10:10	VanessaE	hey RBA
10:11	nman3600	ugh mesecon buttons should trigger steel doors without you having to wire it up :(
10:12	LemonLake	I think it's pretty neat that you have to wire it up
10:12	LemonLake	Makes it more 'realistic'
10:12	nman3600	with the style of the hour i've got wiring it up will ruin it all and will make it look ugly
10:13	nman3600	house*
10:13	LemonLake	You're making a multitest mod, why not make meseconds support and have blocks with little holes in them?
10:13	nman3600	maybe
10:13	LemonLake	The NBE works perfectly now, and you understand basic for loops
10:13	VanessaE	imho if mesecons can open a steel door at all, that's a bug
10:13	VanessaE	steel doors are supposed to be locked.
10:14	LemonLake	Oh, there's the reason
10:14	LemonLake	Is it possible at all to get the width of text in pixels?
10:15	RealBadAngel	btw, i am thinkin about some weird drawtype
10:15	LemonLake	I like those.
10:15	RealBadAngel	designed for use just with l-system trees
10:15	LemonLake	Throw a C++ IDE at me.
10:15	LemonLake	:O
10:15	RealBadAngel	kinda mix of nodebox and microblocks
10:16	LemonLake	YES.
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10:16	RealBadAngel	in such node only trunk and leaves could be mixed
10:16	LemonLake	For super detailed L-Sys trees
10:16	RealBadAngel	exactly
10:17	LemonLake	That's an awesome idea
10:17	RealBadAngel	now to get nice shape, the tree has to be big
10:17	RealBadAngel	and seen from the distance
10:18	LemonLake	Also, for performance on lower-end machines you MAY want some sort of LOD
10:18	LemonLake	Perhaps this effect's only visible if 'fancy trees' is enabled
10:18	nman3600	TOMMOROW IS ANOTHER DAY
10:19	RealBadAngel	if that was made in core, as a drawtype, no one would propably notice slowdowns
10:19	LemonLake	True
10:20	RealBadAngel	even if, paying a few fps for highly detailed trees would be worth it
10:21	LemonLake	What's the best C++ IDE for Linux?
10:21	RealBadAngel	im using geany
10:21	jin_xi	qt creator is nice
10:21	RealBadAngel	imho the best one, for c++ and lua together
10:22	LemonLake	^
10:22	nman3600	memorandum is an awesome mod
10:22	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: +100000000
10:22	LemonLake	By the looks of it Sublime Text has C++ support too
10:22	LemonLake	But I'm gonna try Geany first
10:22	RealBadAngel	also eclipse is here
10:22	VanessaE	(for the drawtype)
10:22	LemonLake	Yeah, I can't get eclipse to work for some reason
10:22	VanessaE	good luck coding it though.
10:23	LemonLake	So yeah, is there a way to get the text width in pixels or not?
10:23	RealBadAngel	VanessaE, that is actually was easier than framed glass for example
10:23	RealBadAngel	*way easier
10:23	LemonLake	If not, could I add it to the lua api?
10:23	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: yeah but how will you decide how much of that node is trunks versus fruits versus leaves #1 versus leaves #2?
10:24	RealBadAngel	count all zeroes and ones
10:24	VanessaE	that's enough to find two types
10:24	RealBadAngel	and twos ;)
10:24	VanessaE	what about he other two?
10:24	VanessaE	there are four possible objects in a tree
10:24	RealBadAngel	air/trunk/leaves
10:25	RealBadAngel	and fruit
10:25	VanessaE	ok five then
10:25	VanessaE	air, trunk, leaves #1, leaves #2, and fruit
10:25	RealBadAngel	four?
10:25	RealBadAngel	ah 5
10:25	RealBadAngel	so lets say one byte for microblock
10:25	VanessaE	(or maybe I was using the fruit for "leaves #2"? in which case, 4)
10:25	VanessaE	yes?
10:26	VanessaE	that's 1 bit per space
10:26	RealBadAngel	if fruit is present just sub it and leave the rest
10:26	VanessaE	you'd need to bytes per.
10:26	VanessaE	two*
10:26	RealBadAngel	then to calculate the drop count wheter number is bigger, trunk or leaves
10:27	RealBadAngel	and drop it
10:27	VanessaE	so you'd only drop just the one node type that has the most?
10:27	RealBadAngel	well, in fact we dont have to
10:27	RealBadAngel	we can drop two stacks
10:27	RealBadAngel	with exact numbers
10:27	VanessaE	no, that'll give too much
10:27	VanessaE	after all, this all fits into one node
10:28	VanessaE	so your idea makes more sense.
10:28	VanessaE	or at most, give one unit of each type that appears in the node
10:28	VanessaE	if there is leaves, fruit, and trunk in the node, give one of each on drop
10:28	LemonLake	^
10:28	VanessaE	regardless of just how much there is
10:28	LemonLake	maybe it should be randomized for trunks?
10:28	VanessaE	but even that might seem like too much..
10:28	LemonLake	like 1-3
10:29	LemonLake	I mean 1 in 3 of dropping
10:30	VanessaE	that might confuse people
10:30	VanessaE	I think RBA's initial idea is the best - drop whatever is most common
10:30	LemonLake	Actually, yeah
10:31	VanessaE	now, the question is how to store this custom node?
10:31	VanessaE	it's gonna require two bytes for sure.
10:31	VanessaE	param2 could be used
10:31	VanessaE	but what about the other byte?
10:31	LemonLake	store it in a freezer
10:32	VanessaE	in the map, silly :P
10:32	LemonLake	do properties not get stored in the map?
10:32	VanessaE	the node def does not, but there's always node metadata
10:32	LemonLake	yeah, why not go with that?
10:32	VanessaE	but that's wasteful if there is a better way
10:32	LemonLake	can you not add a param3?
10:32	VanessaE	wish hmmmm were here, he'd probably want to weigh in on this
10:33	VanessaE	no, can't do that, there are bandwith and map size/storage implications, as well as map version issues
10:33	LemonLake	ah.
10:33	sea	VanessaE do you work on minetest every day?
10:33	LemonLake	so you can only store a single byte in a param2?
10:33	VanessaE	sea: I am here most every day but I do not work on the engine.
10:34	VanessaE	I contribute ideas, sometimes test a bit of code, and I of course work on mods from time to time, and textures.
10:34	VanessaE	mostly I drive the devs nuts :)
10:34	LemonLake	Is there a name size limit?
10:34	VanessaE	LemonLake: not as far as I am aware.
10:34	LemonLake	Uh-oh
10:35	LemonLake	Now this is a problem :/
10:35	VanessaE	we could use multiple node names but we try to avoid doing that
10:35	VanessaE	what?
10:35	LemonLake	Now I gotta think of a clever workaround
10:35	LemonLake	Because if someone has a really long name, it's gonna go over the other and look weird
10:35	VanessaE	LemonLake: the way mesecons does it.
10:35	VanessaE	or pipeworks used to.
10:35	LemonLake	Just limit the name?
10:36	LemonLake	(substring)
10:36	VanessaE	we used to assign attributes to single bits in the name of the node
10:36	LemonLake	I mean for players
10:36	VanessaE	8 of them in the case of mesecons I think, 6 in pipeworks.
10:36	LemonLake	Sorry
10:36	VanessaE	what do player names have to do with anything?
10:37	LemonLake	I'm asking my own question, here
10:37	VanessaE	oh ok
10:37	nman3600	LemonLake you shot urself in the foot again
10:37	LemonLake	nman3600 No I did not
10:37	nman3600	dude the song
10:37	LemonLake	nman3600 I'm not deaf
10:37	nman3600	:)
10:37	LemonLake	You might be but I'm not
10:38	VanessaE	and no, afaik player names if they have a limit it's fairly long
10:38	* nman3600	rolls his eyes hoping for no-one else to join this awkward conversation
10:38	LemonLake	Okay...hmm
10:38	VanessaE	you'll probably need to do some kind of clipping.
10:38	LemonLake	Well the text hud element has a scale
10:38	LemonLake	Guess I'd just go with that
10:39	VanessaE	as for the nodes, one could use multiple nodes to store these extended attributes to avoid using metadata or a new map version, but that's thousands of possible combinations.
10:39	LemonLake	:/
10:40	VanessaE	it's either that or you do "color cell" limits like we did in the old days
10:40	nman3600	LemonLake YOU SONG THIEF
10:41	VanessaE	actually you can't do that either. damn.
10:41	LemonLake	:/
10:41	VanessaE	there's no way around it. this needs two bytes per node.
10:41	LemonLake	The idea is awesome...executing it seems...impossible
10:41	VanessaE	crap.
10:42	VanessaE	there are FIVE node types.
10:42	VanessaE	this needs THREE bytes.
10:42	LemonLake	D:
10:42	sea	What is it that you're trying to store?
10:42	* nman3600	arrests LemonLake for stealing nman3600's song he was gonna play
10:42	VanessaE	I was right. air, trunk, leaves 1, leaves 2, fruit. At that rate, you may as well allow for a sideways trunk for branches as well.
10:43	LemonLake	nman3600 just choose another song
10:43	nman3600	i did
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10:43	nman3600	it was on the end of the list the one u stole
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10:43	LemonLake	haha
10:43	nman3600	so dibs playing self destruct
10:43	VanessaE	sea: trying to find a graceful way to create microblocks for the purposes of growing trees that are as detailed as moretrees but smaller.
10:43	reactor	Ñ…Ñ‹Ñ…Ñ‹
10:43	LemonLake	crap
10:43	LemonLake	self destruct was my next song
10:43	LemonLake	lol jk
10:43	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: what about the set_meta_nodedef code, or whatever it was?
10:44	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: I think we're gonna have to resort to that.
10:44	LemonLake	Argh that's a bit horrible
10:44	LemonLake	but I guess it's the only way
10:44	nman3600	LemonLake i'm gonna play bassline kickin silverback remix next :D
10:44	LemonLake	NOOO
10:44	LemonLake	That's my legit next song!
10:44	reactor	Why doesn't IRC mod work with Unicode?
10:44	nman3600	LemonLake deal with it
10:44	nman3600	u can play self destruct
10:44	LemonLake	Bah
10:44	LemonLake	Nah
10:45	LemonLake	You play it, it's revenge
10:45	sea	Why do you need two bytes and are you sure that you can't use less?
10:45	VanessaE	reactor: it will send it out from a server, but incoming unicode is blank. dunno why
10:45	reactor	Because I need Russian support.
10:45	RealBadAngel	i would love set_meta_nodedef in
10:45	reactor	VanessaE: exactly.
10:45	reactor	Also, I see some people's input, but not the others.
10:45	reactor	Most just talk with little squares.
10:46	* nman3600	suspects someone turned his smooth lighting off
10:46	VanessaE	sea: three bytes, because there are at least five types of objects to be represented, and this has to be crammed into the space of a single node that doesn't already have "space" in the map entry for this kind of node model.
10:46	reactor	The former must be UNIX systems, the latter -- Windows and CP1251.
10:47	VanessaE	sea: five possible items means you need three bits to store the item ID, and there are eight spaces (microblocks) in the node to place one of these items.
10:47	VanessaE	hence the three bytes
10:47	VanessaE	reactor: gettext?
10:48	RealBadAngel	ive we decide to split node into 1/8ths (each dimension by half)
10:48	VanessaE	reactor: yeah, I think meta_set_nodedef is the only way to do here.
10:48	reactor	VanessaE: vanilla
10:48	reactor	how are nodes related to text?
10:48	VanessaE	reactor: I mean did you compile the server with support for it?
10:48	RealBadAngel	we end up with 8 mircronodes that needs ids
10:48	LemonLake	Does printscr not go to the clipboard@
10:48	LemonLake	?
10:48	VanessaE	fuck
10:48	VanessaE	tab complete FAIL
10:49	VanessaE	reactor, did you compile your server with support for gettext?
10:49	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: yeah, I think meta_set_nodedef is the only way to do here.
10:49	VanessaE	there.
10:49	RealBadAngel	lets say 4 bits per micro, it will mean 4 bytes
10:50	VanessaE	LemonLake: usually you either get a prompt, or the image is immediately saved to your homedir as something like "Screenshot - date - time.png"
10:50	RealBadAngel	if some1 will try to say it cannot be done
10:50	RealBadAngel	lemme find something
10:50	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: yeah, that's a non-starter. meta_set_nodedef. has to be done that way.
10:50	VanessaE	4 bytes would double the size of a map node entry
10:51	reactor	VanessaE: I've tried gettext, same results.
10:51	LemonLake	http://i.imgur.com/EBtoFSE.png
10:51	VanessaE	reactor: weird,
10:51	reactor	I haven't tried setting LANG with gettext, though
10:51	LemonLake	So the text limiting does not work
10:51	VanessaE	LemonLake: what's with the red lines on the left?
10:51	LemonLake	That's the world edge
10:52	sea	How much space is actually available?
10:52	LemonLake	Players cant go beyond it
10:52	RealBadAngel	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dncEFDQSvkM
10:52	RealBadAngel	watch that
10:52	VanessaE	sea: in a standard map file, there is exactly 1 byte that can be repurposed for something like this, along with 4 other bits I think
10:52	LemonLake	Focus is in the top right on my image
10:53	VanessaE	shit, no even param2 can't be repurposed.
10:53	VanessaE	these nodes would have facedir.
10:53	VanessaE	that means there's only like 3 or 4 bits in one spot and a few bits in another spot that are unused.
10:54	VanessaE	there's no way to do this without meta_set_nodedef
10:54	sea	How do you know there's no way? Do I get a prize if I could do it?
10:54	LemonLake	Yes.
10:54	RealBadAngel	a cake
10:55	reactor	What exactly should I do? Use both gettext and LANG?
10:55	LemonLake	Sea, the cake was a lie
10:55	VanessaE	sea: you've got 5 block types (including air). 7 if you count sideways trunks (east/west face, and north/south face).
10:55	* reactor	slaps LemonLake
10:55	VanessaE	you've got 8 microblocks in a node
10:55	reactor	It isn't a lie.
10:55	VanessaE	so that's 5^8 possible combinations
10:56	VanessaE	no way in hell to do that with raw nodes, we only have a bit over 32700 of those available.
10:56	LemonLake	If we store the bits in the meta, that shouldn't be TOO big
10:56	VanessaE	in the meta, sure
10:56	sea	I'm pretty sure there's a way to do it.
10:56	LemonLake	It's only taking around 8 real nodes space
10:56	LemonLake	If not less
10:57	sea	Do you typically store data for multiple nodes?
10:57	VanessaE	but this is something that needs to be run past hmmmm before any code is written
10:57	sea	So you'd have this 5^8 combinations for node A, then another 5^8 for node B, and so on?
10:57	VanessaE	sea: the 5^8 was just to illustrate that you can't even define that many nodes to do it the "hard" way
10:58	LemonLake	scale = {x=100,y=20}, What's wrong here? Why is the text not being limited?
10:59	VanessaE	not sure, LemonLake
10:59	LemonLake	I might just limit the name to 15 characters
10:59	LemonLake	or I can have two/three line death messages but that's a bit annoying
11:02	sea	Okay, I think there's a really epic compression scheme that will do what you want.
11:02	LemonLake	Compression?
11:02	LemonLake	Bits is as small as you're gonna get
11:03	sea	Store the information in the spatial relations between multiple nodes and have the nodes themselves only store enough information to calculate how to get their values from the others.
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11:04	fireglow	Didn't the forums used to be xenforo or something?
11:04	LemonLake	Something like that, why?
11:04	sea	So you have some starting node A, and you suppose that each node has 8 bits, and you define a particular path across all nodes. Then you suppose the existence of a function that maps onto all acceptable configurations of leaves and so on, and you let node (n) have value f(f((n-1)) + n)
11:05	LemonLake	Hmm
11:05	LemonLake	Maybe
11:05	fireglow	I've just noticed the change, and wondered why
11:05	LemonLake	What about just storing the seed?
11:05	sea	and then all you have to do is pick an 'f' that encodes 'tree-like-ness' very well
11:05	LemonLake	Then generating it on each load?
11:05	LemonLake	If it's C++ generated, it'll be fast
11:06	VanessaE	fireglow: they used to be punbb
11:07	RealBadAngel	have you saw the video i linked?
11:07	LemonLake	Yes, why?
11:07	fireglow	VanessaE: ah yes, right
11:07	VanessaE	reactor: I watched it
11:07	RealBadAngel	in mc mod you can build with all the nodes with size of 1/16th of regular one
11:08	LemonLake	wrong name :L
11:08	RealBadAngel	including redstone
11:08	VanessaE	doesn't help us with actually implementing the idea
11:08	LemonLake	Yes, but we're trying to understand how we're gonna store those nodes
11:08	RealBadAngel	also you can shrink the player
11:08	VanessaE	there's only one way to do it.
11:08	LemonLake	VanessaE; we're generating the trees here, right?
11:08	LemonLake	Why not just store the seed?
11:09	VanessaE	LemonLake: moretrees in particular, which are not seeded, they're modeled.
11:09	RealBadAngel	would take too long to restore the tree
11:09	RealBadAngel	not to mention the damage to the tree done by digging
11:09	LemonLake	hm
11:09	RealBadAngel	so, forget it ;)
11:09	LemonLake	then meta IS the only way
11:10	RealBadAngel	i think so
11:10	VanessaE	reactor: how far off do you figure nore's rebase of meta_set_nodedef is from current HEAD?
11:10	RealBadAngel	either that or highly specialized draw type just for lsystems
11:10	VanessaE	(since we DID have it working at the time, and reasonably well)
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11:10	VanessaE	no, forget the drawtype
11:10	VanessaE	do it generically.
11:10	VanessaE	it'll be useful later.
11:10	LemonLake	^
11:11	Eater4	VanessaE: Hi
11:11	VanessaE	hi Eater4
11:11	RealBadAngel	ofc it will be useful for everything out there
11:11	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: how far off do you figure nore's rebase of meta_set_nodedef is from current HEAD? (tab complete FAIL again :-/ )
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11:11	VanessaE	(sorry reactor :P )
11:12	LemonLake	do real instead of rea
11:12	rotcaer	Ð¸ÐÐ–ÐÐ›Ð˜Ð” Ð”Ð•Ð–Ð˜Ð¦Ð•.
11:12	VanessaE	hey now
11:12	LemonLake	dafuq
11:12	VanessaE	I don't read Cyrillic but a curse is a curse in any language :)
11:13	LemonLake	I think it says Invalid Device.
11:13	Eater4	lol
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11:13	RealBadAngel	VanessaE, we shall ask nore imho
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11:14	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: yeah. But we also need to hammer on the other devs to get some agreement to merge the fucking thing once and for all
11:14	RealBadAngel	SN will do
11:14	VanessaE	I dunno
11:14	VanessaE	I think this will need a bit more than just one agree
11:15	RealBadAngel	me, nore and sn
11:15	RealBadAngel	thats 3
11:15	RealBadAngel	enough
11:15	VanessaE	yes, but hmmmm will have something to say about it, I think?
11:16	RealBadAngel	according to rules yes, but 2 votes of another devs are enough to push anything
11:16	VanessaE	yep I know
11:17	VanessaE	but I mean, he's the map expert and all
11:17	RealBadAngel	even c55 knew that it is needed, he started the work
11:17	RealBadAngel	rather mapgen expert, not the map
11:19	RealBadAngel	real problem behind the scenes is just storing more data in db
11:19	RealBadAngel	nothing more
11:20	RealBadAngel	and we are already pushing there lotsa data
11:20	RealBadAngel	with raising limit of active entities for example
11:20	LemonLake	Does the sky go black when near the world edge?
11:20	VanessaE	but wasn't there a big issue with the network side of things?
11:20	VanessaE	LemonLake: no
11:20	RealBadAngel	each node can already have its meta
11:20	LemonLake	Weird
11:20	LemonLake	When at the world border and looking down-ish, the sky goes black
11:21	VanessaE	LemonLake: it does that no matter where you are
11:21	LemonLake	Oh, okay
11:21	VanessaE	(personally I consider that a bug)
11:21	LemonLake	Same
11:21	RealBadAngel	dont look down, you may fall into black hole ;
11:22	VanessaE	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JYkMhQ9gf8
11:22	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: ^^^^
11:23	LemonLake	Yeah, I don't believe it
11:23	LemonLake	The sky isn't distorted enough
11:25	RealBadAngel	hehe
11:30	VanessaE	ok, I'm outta here. need sleep
11:30	VanessaE	night :)
11:30	VanessaE	(or something)
11:30	LemonLake	Cy
11:30	LemonLake	a
11:31	rotcaer	Is there a way to make DM's energy pellets fly faster?
11:32	rotcaer	Also, can a player launch them?
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11:46	sfan5	meow
11:46	sfan5	hi everyone
11:47	rotcaer	hi every512
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11:49	* LemonLake	mewos at sfan5
11:49	LemonLake	mewos...
11:49	LemonLake	genius
11:49	LemonLake	bloody genius
11:49	* sfan5	meows at LemonLake
11:49	fireglow	mew mew
11:49	Exio4	hihihihi
11:49	Exio4	how is it going wild shibes
11:50	LemonLake	shit, wbu?
11:50	rotcaer	wild who?
11:50	sfan5	http://redd.it/26ja4i
11:50	sfan5	lol
11:51	Exio4	LemonLake: same
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11:51	LemonLake	"you're an encoder"
11:51	LemonLake	"What do you encode in? UTF-8?"
11:51	LemonLake	this fuckin guy
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11:54	LemonLake	Yo asie
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11:57	LemonLake	I might just go on okcupid just to troll the developers.
11:57	sfan5	uhh. why?
11:57	LemonLake	I get bored often.
11:58	LemonLake	Do text hud elements have alpha values?
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12:03	rotcaer	So, does anyone else notice HUD disappearing?
12:03	raffahacks	What is okcupid
12:05	raffahacks	Lemonlake
12:05	LemonLake	Dw about it
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12:23	raffahacks	This chan's too quiet...
12:24	LemonLake	It's normal.
12:24	sfan5	^
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12:33	LemonLake	Slowly getting there...
12:33	nman3600	lol hi
12:33	LemonLake	Can you draw in the loading screen?
12:34	LemonLake	Me did it!
12:34	rotcaer	So the HUD?
12:34	LemonLake	Yeah.
12:34	LemonLake	Add a little message like 'Loading from previous save. This may take a while'
12:35	LemonLake	Because otherwise, it looks like the game has frozen on 'Connecting to server...'
12:35	LemonLake	Nman, cmere
12:37	LemonLake	Hmm, the multiple death messages doesn't work
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13:03	LemonLake	Okay, the counter finally works
13:03	LemonLake	I just need to turn down the spacing, then after that I need to make them automatically go back to the top when one is removed
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13:13	LemonLake	+RealBadAngel hmmmm is here if you wanted to speak to him about your idea
13:15	nman3600	:( i missed sethblings livestream by a few hours
13:15	LemonLake	I watched the whole thing
13:16	nman3600	was it good?
13:17	LemonLake	meh
13:17	PenguinDad	sethbling?
13:17	LemonLake	he was building a picture of guude the entire time
13:17	LemonLake	for 3 hours
13:17	LemonLake	not all that
13:17	nman3600	PenguinDad the youtuber
13:20	sfan5	PenguinDad: popular MC youtuber
13:20	LemonLake	does redstone n' shit
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13:38	reactor	updated the game, now HUD is there, apart from the health bar.
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13:38	reactor	And no footsteps sound.
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14:01	kaeza	mornings
14:01	LemonLake	Wrong channel, yo
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14:08	* sfan5	meows at kaeza
14:09	* kaeza	purrs at sfan5
14:10	* Jordach	purrs at both sfan5 and kaeza
14:10	Jordach	<- not playing skyrim, honestly
14:10	* CraigyDavi	woofs at sfan5, kaeza and Jordach
14:10	* sfan5	meows at CraigyDavi
14:10	* CraigyDavi	barks at sfan5
14:14	* sfan5	flips CraigyDavi
14:16	* CraigyDavi	howls
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14:24	LemonLake	Brb, having sound issues
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14:53	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: You need to create the ace.textures table. Add "ace.textures = {}" at the top of wieldview.lua.
14:53	lemonlake_	ShadowNinja
14:54	lemonlake_	I solved that problem a long time ago
14:54	lemonlake_	Also, in init.lua, there's ace = { textures = {}, } etc
14:55	lemonlake_	It was the item that was nil
14:55	ShadowNinja	lemonlake_: O.K. good. :-) I noticed that git hadn't been updated and assumed it wasn't fixed.
14:55	lemonlake_	I don't update the public repo often
14:55	lemonlake_	I haven't updated anything since I got the linux
14:56	lemonlake_	wut
14:56	ShadowNinja	I update my repos frequently. They're a backup if my computer dies.
14:56	lemonlake_	I've never liked using Git
14:57	ShadowNinja	<3 git.
14:57	ShadowNinja	You just have to learn to use it. See the tutorials on git-scm.org.
14:57	lemonlake_	I know how to use Git.
14:57	lemonlake_	I've used it for 6 years.
14:58	lemonlake_	I just dislike it because it clutters up my workspace unnecessarily.
14:58	ShadowNinja	Ah, O.K. It only adds .git files/folder though, which are hidden.
14:58	lemonlake_	And hidden files are always shown for me
14:59	ShadowNinja	Not unless you use ls -a, have a file manager that doesn't handle them well, or, possibly, are using Windows.
15:14	lemonlake_	I may have to make the worlds far less complex
15:14	lemonlake_	They take way too long to generate and load
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15:16	realtinymonster	anyone want a Google AdWords coupon?
15:16	lemonlake_	That's a thing?
15:16	realtinymonster	yep
15:17	realtinymonster	i got one in the mail for no reason, and i don't want it
15:17	lemonlake_	Fair enough
15:17	realtinymonster	do you want it lemonlake_ ?
15:17	lemonlake_	I don't run any sites that have ads
15:17	lemonlake_	So no thanks
15:17	realtinymonster	well
15:18	realtinymonster	difference
15:18	realtinymonster	AdWORDS is the ads in the google search engine
15:18	lemonlake_	By that I mean I don't have any sites that I want in the sidebar
15:18	lemonlake_	I know what adwords is.
15:18	lemonlake_	If I was a web developer, why would I not?
15:18	realtinymonster	ah
15:18	realtinymonster	lol
15:18	realtinymonster	good point
15:18	lemonlake_	Plus most of my customers are expected to either have an adblock or ignore that part, so no point.
15:19	realtinymonster	yeah
15:19	realtinymonster	anyone else!
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15:19	realtinymonster	Krock!
15:20	Krock	hi
15:20	lemonlake_	Want an Adwords coupon/
15:20	lemonlake_	?
15:20	Krock	I'm scared
15:21	realtinymonster	why?
15:21	Krock	^
15:22	Krock	cuz of you
15:22	realtinymonster	what's so scary?
15:22	Krock	the monstr
15:22	realtinymonster	i'm a friendly soft monster
15:23	realtinymonster	(LOL)
15:23	lemonlake_	yeah right
15:23	* Krock	is still trying to fix his xban2 rework
15:23	realtinymonster	lemonlake_: D:
15:24	lemonlake_	Megaf and vazon are working on this global ban thing
15:24	* realtinymonster	cries softly in the corner
15:24	lemonlake_	which I think is pretty neat
15:24	Krock	globa ban?
15:24	realtinymonster	how about Nanof?
15:24	Krock	*global
15:24	realtinymonster	:P
15:25	lemonlake_	basically, an admin can type /globalban to a user and supply a reason
15:25	lemonlake_	they get banned from that server
15:25	lemonlake_	but if they have 3 valid bans with reason, they're banned from all servers for a month
15:25	lemonlake_	valid bans with reason = 3 bans, on different servers, with a reason supplied at once
15:25	Amaz	That seems strict...
15:25	realtinymonster	could be overused, making minetest servers horrible
15:26	lemonlake_	yeah they wanted me to help but i wasnt interested
15:26	Amaz	And how would it work?
15:26	realtinymonster	speaking of minetest, what is the results of the 3rd person mode?
15:26	lemonlake_	bans would be stored in an online MySQL database
15:27	lemonlake_	its been existant for ages?
15:27	Krock	#norulesserverftw
15:27	realtinymonster	^ easily hackable
15:27	lemonlake_	nope
15:27	lemonlake_	it would be handled in an AJAX request
15:27	lemonlake_	easily unhackable
15:27	Krock	easily hackable*
15:27	lemonlake_	either way
15:28	lemonlake_	i saw many flaws with the plan
15:28	Amaz	3rd person mode seems quite glitcy at the moment...
15:28	realtinymonster	:(
15:28	lemonlake_	so i just decided not to work on it
15:28	lemonlake_	Amaz: third person mode works perfectly fine?
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15:28	lemonlake_	whatever just happened there
15:29	realtinymonster	i was hoping to use that in my game! D,:
15:29	lemonlake_	globalbans?
15:29	realtinymonster	ni
15:29	lemonlake_	what?
15:29	realtinymonster	3rd person
15:29	lemonlake_	it works perfectly fine...
15:29	realtinymonster	I can't use if its glitchy
15:29	lemonlake_	its in base engine
15:29	Amaz	It may just be me, but if I wear armor, then I can see the armor for a instat at certain times in 1st person mode... Which can be a bit irritating.
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15:29	lemonlake_	3d armor and third person are perfect for me
15:29	Amaz	Yep. It's first person that is the glitchy thing.
15:29	lemonlake_	And first person...
15:30	realtinymonster	hmm
15:30	lemonlake_	have you posted a bug report?
15:30	Amaz	Nope.
15:30	realtinymonster	#moontest I go!
15:30	lemonlake_	It's most likely a system related issue, so post your specs and a bug report on either the forum post or github if there is one for 3darmor
15:30	Amaz	Okay.
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15:32	realtinymonster	its the Big F!
15:32	lemonlake_	the big f_
15:32	lemonlake_	the big flying flip
15:32	realtinymonster	lol
15:32	realtinymonster	Megaf_: ^
15:33	Megaf_	Hi all
15:34	lemonlake_	How can I get the index that I just inserted into a table?
15:34	kaeza	you can't
15:34	kaeza	you must keep track of that yourself
15:34	lemonlake_	Dang
15:35	kaeza	(before inserting)
15:35	lemonlake_	See I'm removing it 4.5 seconds later
15:35	lemonlake_	Oh there's my problem.
15:35	lemonlake_	I'm removing it then accessing it.
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15:35	lemonlake_	Wait, no
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15:45	lemonlake_	Hm
15:45	realtinymonster	hmmm
15:45	lemonlake_	I'm gonna get SourceTree and push to git in a minute, I think I'm gonna need some help here
15:46	realtinymonster	using git or what? lemonlake_
15:46	lemonlake_	Something else, I'll say if I don't solve it
15:46	realtinymonster	ok
15:47	reactor	...hmm
15:47	reactor	Tablet players can't reload the gun!
15:47	realtinymonster	hmm?
15:48	realtinymonster	tablet players of what can't reload the gun reactor?
15:48	PenguinDad	they're much easier to beat then :D
15:48	lemonlake_	You mean like android players?
15:50	lemonlake_	I'm gonna record this little issue first
15:50	kaeza	reactor, tell the players to ditch Buildcrap and get the real one
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15:50	lemonlake_	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
15:50	lemonlake_	tbh I think it should stay on computers
15:50	Amaz	^
15:50	lemonlake_	mobile support shouldn't be able to connect to pc servers
15:51	Amaz	^
15:51	kaeza	â†‘
15:51	realtinymonster
15:51	realtinymonster
15:51	realtinymonster	hi
15:51	lemonlake_	I don't understand this keyboard layout
15:52	lemonlake_	â†â†“â†’ but where's the up arrow D:
15:52	reactor	realtinymonster: idk
15:52	reactor	If there's technical compatibility, no need to break it.
15:53	reactor	But I wonder why not use right mouse button for reload.
15:53	kaeza	AltGr+Shift+U=â†‘
15:53	lemonlake_	because that's for zoom
15:53	kaeza	lemonlake_, ^
15:53	lemonlake_	â†‘
15:53	lemonlake_	ah neat
15:53	lemonlake_	thanks mate
15:53	reactor	ah zoom
15:53	lemonlake_	I'm used to the windows keyboard layout, they usually only support the right accents
15:53	lemonlake_	with alt gr
15:53	lemonlake_	and euro
15:53	lemonlake_	â‚¬eÃ¦â†“â†’Ã¸ which are now those
15:54	lemonlake_	:L
15:54	realtinymonster	lemonlake_: you on linux?
15:54	reactor	â†“â‚¬â‚¬â†‘
15:54	lemonlake_	Mint
15:54	Amaz	Â¥
15:54	lemonlake_	Best decision I ever made
15:55	realtinymonster	yes
15:55	lemonlake_	I used to have a slow crappy laptop with a really old linux on it
15:55	* kaeza	is running Ubuntu 14.04 on a VM, with Windows 7 as host
15:55	lemonlake_	Then I got windows 7
15:55	lemonlake_	Then I got this OS in a VM but it sucked
15:55	lemonlake_	So I dual-booted. Best decision ever
15:56	lemonlake_	Both operating systems, same specs, switchable with two keyboard strokes.
15:56	realtinymonster	lemonlake_: Ctrl + shift + U, let go U, type unicode code, then let go ctrl + shift
15:56	lemonlake_	whoaaa
15:56	lemonlake_	guys
15:56	lemonlake_	all these linux tricks are epic
15:56	lemonlake_	why have I never seen these before
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15:57	SylvieLorxu	Note: That only works in GNOME
15:57	realtinymonster	text is sarcasm free...
15:57	realtinymonster	no!
15:57	SylvieLorxu	Yes.
15:57	realtinymonster	SylvieLorxu: it works on KDE too
15:57	SylvieLorxu	Since when?
15:57	lemonlake_	Þ…
15:57	lemonlake_	It works on this one.
15:57	lemonlake_	Ä£
15:57	SylvieLorxu	What is "this one"?
15:57	realtinymonster	since Linux Mint Petra KDE i guess :P
15:57	lemonlake_	Mint 16 Cinnammon
15:57	realtinymonster	yay!
15:58	realtinymonster	cinnamon works too
15:58	SylvieLorxu	Hmm, last time I tried that on KDE it didn't work because KDE had their own way of doing that
15:58	* Calinou	had to boot on older kernelâ€¦
15:58	SylvieLorxu	And of course it works on Cinnamon, Cinnamon == GNOME
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15:58	* realtinymonster	doesn't cade about old kernels
15:58	lemonlake_	http://i.imgur.com/l9yiKtY.png
15:58	realtinymonster	*care
15:58	lemonlake_	I actually have a 2TB SSD.
15:59	lemonlake_	But it's split into two, the first half is for OS.
15:59	lemonlake_	That's partitioned
15:59	realtinymonster	I have a face!
15:59	lemonlake_	hence 410gb
15:59	realtinymonster	and a nose!
15:59	sfan5	<lemonlake_> I actually have a 2TB SSD.
15:59	lemonlake_	That's neat.
15:59	sfan5	isn't that expensive?
15:59	lemonlake_	Well it's a custom built rig
15:59	Calinou	<lemonlake_> I actually have a 2TB SSD.
15:59	Calinou	which one? cost?
15:59	lemonlake_	Actually
15:59	sfan5	yeah but a 2TB SSD is still very expensive
15:59	lemonlake_	It might not be an SSD
15:59	lemonlake_	I don't remember.
16:00	Calinou	SSHD is not a SSD
16:00	lemonlake_	it was years ago
16:00	Calinou	WD BlackÂ² isn't one either
16:00	Calinou	sfan5, doesn't exist in mainstream
16:00	realtinymonster	hmm?
16:00	Calinou	1TB at most in mainstream
16:00	sfan5	Calinou: I know that
16:00	Calinou	which is pretty big already
16:00	lemonlake_	Oh, it's a SATA
16:00	realtinymonster	Calinou: WD Black2 isn't?
16:00	Calinou	it's HDD with 128GB SSD in it.
16:00	Calinou	it's the first Windrive
16:00	Calinou	(SSD only usable on Windows)
16:00	realtinymonster	lol
16:00	Krock	must get that one.
16:01	sfan5	Calinou: the ssd works on linux too
16:01	Krock	..or not
16:01	Krock	(finishing my words, not those from sfan)
16:01	Calinou	the SSD part of the WD BlackÂ²? are yo usure?
16:01	sfan5	yes
16:01	Calinou	at launch day it didn't
16:07	Calinou	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9253&p=142916#p142916 â†’ this post is too damn right
16:07	Calinou	100% smartwatch approved
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16:17	lemonlake_	brb
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16:21	rubenwardy	Hi all!
16:21	realtinymonster	hi
16:24	* rubenwardy	has finally made the list! http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog
16:25	realtinymonster	so exciting!
16:25	realtinymonster	good job!
16:28	Vazon	Congratz!
16:32	Megaf_	anyone know how to solve this?
16:32	Megaf_	"xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display 0 "
16:32	Megaf_	it's an intel gma hd 3000
16:32	Megaf_	with Linux mint
16:35	lemonlake_	Grats rubenwardy!
16:36	rubenwardy	(two bugs fixed in quick successon in NBE)
16:37	realtinymonster	"just think, we make more commits to moontest in a few"
16:37	realtinymonster	weeks than the others make to minetest_game in a few
16:37	realtinymonster	months"
16:37	realtinymonster	- #moontest
16:37	Krock	why are mapblocks 16x16x16 while mapgen blocks are about 80x80x80?
16:38	lemonlake_	5x5x5 mapblocks
16:38	Krock	ah okay
16:39	Calinou	mapgen blocks are 80 Ã— 80 Ã— 80? TIL
16:39	Krock	they are.
16:39	rubenwardy	Please bug find! NBE: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2840
16:40	rubenwardy	Calinou: can you try and build the latest version, to see if you get the same problem?
16:41	Krock	#chunksize = 5 <-- possibly is that the 5x5x5 factor
16:43	realtinymonster	they have GPL and LGPL and BSD and MIT licences, but no CC BY-SA 2.0
16:43	realtinymonster	and they even have cc0
16:43	realtinymonster	^github
16:43	* realtinymonster	headdesks
16:44	Calinou	CC licenses (except CC0) are GPL incompatible, don't use for software
16:44	* Calinou	shakes glass of wine
16:44	realtinymonster	ok
16:44	realtinymonster	hmm
16:44	Calinou	they are also not intended for software anyway
16:44	realtinymonster	what should I use for purely textures?
16:44	Calinou	CC0, CC BY, CC BY-SAâ€¦
16:44	Calinou	the CC licenses are fine for art
16:44	Calinou	(this includes writings or documentation)
16:45	realtinymonster	can you GPL art?
16:45	Krock	WTFPL
16:45	realtinymonster	^CC0
16:45	Krock	WTFPL sounds nicer
16:45	realtinymonster	lol
16:45	Calinou	yes you can
16:45	Calinou	not recommended, but it can be done just fine
16:45	Calinou	(GPL is intended for software)
16:45	lemonlake_	omfg finally
16:45	Calinou	Krock, WTFPL is a bad license
16:45	realtinymonster	the unlicence sounds even cooler
16:45	lemonlake_	i actually have some video drivers now
16:45	realtinymonster	lol
16:45	Calinou	no warranty disclaimer, bad language
16:46	Calinou	use CC0 or Unlicense instead
16:46	Krock	<Calinou>CC licenses (except CC0) are GPL incompatible, don't use for software
16:46	Krock	why always GPL?
16:46	realtinymonster	i have never heard of the unlicence until just now
16:46	Krock	wtf, every license if good
16:46	Krock	*is
16:46	lemonlake_	i like wtfpl
16:46	Calinou	GPL incompatibility is gratuitous trouble
16:46	lemonlake_	why
16:46	Krock	trouble with...?
16:46	Calinou	if you merge stuff?
16:46	kaeza	GPL is not the center of the universe
16:46	lemonlake_	^
16:46	realtinymonster	GPL is incompatible with real life
16:47	Calinou	there are other GNU licenses
16:47	Krock	Merge stuff from a (example) CC0 into a CC0 project? no problem
16:47	Calinou	realtinymonster, Minetest is LGPL
16:47	Calinou	might not want to play it if you think so
16:47	Krock	zlib license is also very nice
16:47	lemonlake_	yeah but if its all completely custom incompatability is no issue
16:47	realtinymonster	Calinou: GPL != LGPL :P
16:47	lemonlake_	^
16:47	Krock	^
16:48	lemonlake_	aight dudes
16:48	* kaeza	is on the BSD side of the holy war
16:48	lemonlake_	see year in bit
16:48	lemonlake_	rebooting
16:48	lemonlake_	b;b;b;;b;b;b;;b;;
16:48	* Krock	gives lemonlake_ BSoD
16:48	* realtinymonster	gives Krock RSoD
16:49	* Krock	catches; installs
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16:49	Krock	peer, why did you do this?
16:49	LemonLake	wut did ah miss
16:49	Krock	- lemonlake_ quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
16:49	Krock	this
16:49	LemonLake	peer...
16:49	kaeza	Minetest 1.0 is out!!
16:50	LemonLake	peer you asshole
16:50	LemonLake	is it?
16:50	LemonLake	wait what
16:50	Krock	lol
16:50	Krock	OMG
16:50	Krock	really!!
16:50	LemonLake	hold on
16:50	Calinou	<realtinymonster> Calinou: GPL != LGPL :P
16:50	kaeza	yes, in the five seconds you were out, they released it !!
16:50	Krock	</ lie >
16:50	LemonLake	im confused
16:50	Calinou	similar stuff happens
16:50	Calinou	but anyway, CC licenses are not made for software
16:50	LemonLake	that was 5 seconds?
16:50	LemonLake	jesus, my pc doesnt boot that fast
16:50	Krock	WTFPL is perfect for software
16:50	LemonLake	i love wtfpl
16:51	Krock	+1
16:51	* sfan5	meows at Krock
16:51	* Krock	meows at sfan5
16:51	* Krock	does what kittens do when they get stroked ... RRRRrrrRRRRR
16:52	* Krock	walks to LemonLake's foot
16:52	Krock	RRRRrrrRRRRR
16:52	realtinymonster	lol
16:52	* LemonLake	initally is confused then realise that there's a fucking cat on his foot
16:52	realtinymonster	lol
16:52	rubenwardy	Why is the cat fucking your foot?
16:52	LemonLake	no
16:52	sfan5	^
16:52	CraigyDavi	lol
16:52	LemonLake	the cat is fucking itself
16:52	* Krock	isn't fucking
16:52	realtinymonster	lol
16:52		realtinymonster was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
16:52	Krock	lol
16:52	LemonLake	owned
16:52	CraigyDavi	lol
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16:53	Krock	haha
16:53	rubenwardy	Oh, this is irrating
16:53	LemonLake	you
16:53	LemonLake	just
16:53	LemonLake	got
16:53	LemonLake	owned
16:53	* sfan5	meows at rubenwardy
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16:53	* Krock	points at realtinymonster and laughts
16:53	rubenwardy	This is impossible to find: https://github.com/rubenwardy/NodeBoxEditor/issues/27
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16:54	LemonLake	Most likely to do with menubars
16:54	Krock	compiling bug? </not helpful>
16:54	rubenwardy	no, it is not
16:54	nman3600	hi
16:54	rubenwardy	LemonLake
16:54	rubenwardy	I have singled that out
16:54	LemonLake	Oh.
16:54	LemonLake	Just offset it 15 pixels?
16:54	sfan5	huh?
16:55	rubenwardy	It changes depending on screen size
16:55	LemonLake	oh...
16:55	LemonLake	im stumped then
16:55	sfan5	huh??
16:55	Krock	set offset to sreen size + 15
16:55	sfan5	huh???
16:55	Krock	s/+/*
16:55	LemonLake	holy shit krock no
16:56	Krock	holy cow! yes
16:56	LemonLake	let's assume the screen size is 1920 x 1080
16:56	LemonLake	*15
16:56	rubenwardy	I mean size of window :P
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16:56	sfan5	huh????
16:56	LemonLake	28800 x 16200
16:56	LemonLake	that's the offset
16:56	rubenwardy	sfan5: This is impossible to find: https://github.com/rubenwardy/NodeBoxEditor/issues/27
16:56	sfan5	someome please tell me wher this came from https://cdn.mediacru.sh/gjbEsYJTG-N3.png
16:56	Krock	LemonLake, know pseudocode?
16:57	sfan5	why do I have this on my HDD
16:57	sfan5	where did it come from
16:57	sfan5	I don't even know
16:57	LemonLake	Krock, yes I do, why?
16:57	sfan5	someone
16:57	Krock	it inserts something into a MySQL database
16:57	rubenwardy	It is something to do with 2d points on the screen to 3d positions, and 3d positions to 2d points. I think
16:58	Krock	LemonLake, I used it be4
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16:58	Mikerhinos	hi
16:58	LemonLake	That's just a sql table.
16:58	sfan5	Krock: I'm not that dumb
16:58	sfan5	LemonLake: yeah, I'm wondering where this came from
16:58	LemonLake	It inserts entities.
16:58	LemonLake	Oh.
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16:58	LemonLake	There's some pure lua entity thing, maybe that?
16:59	Krock	sfan5, exported it from somewhere?
16:59	sfan5	in the same folder there is also a zombie wave mod coded for the mobs mod api
16:59	sfan5	simple mobs*
16:59	microplum	Because I said so.
16:59	reactor	/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lintl
16:59	sfan5	Krock: yes, but I dunno from where
16:59	* Krock	isn't sure if 'tiny' < 'micro'
16:59	reactor	But libintl is in /usr/local/lib!
16:59	LemonLake	Micro is smaller than tiny.
16:59	sfan5	reactor: tried -L/usr/local/lib?
17:00	reactor	Yeah.
17:01	Mikerhinos	found a huuuuuge lava cave in Minetest Carbone with water flows everywhere, creating the biggest obsidian source I've ever seen lol https://mediacru.sh/9-iY8b04SqDd
17:01	LemonLake	WHOA
17:01	LemonLake	that's so flippin cool
17:01	reactor	If you mean LDFLAGS
17:01	reactor	sfan5: or should I use it with cmake?
17:02	LemonLake	wait what
17:02	LemonLake	omg
17:02	LemonLake	i dont think sublime text saved properly
17:02	LemonLake	o no
17:02	sfan5	reactor: no, ldflags
17:02	LemonLake	oh nevermind i just didnt read my code right
17:02	reactor	just LDFLAGS env?
17:03	Krock	Mikerhinos, smaaaaal
17:03	Krock	*tiny
17:04	Krock	Mikerhinos, http://i.imgur.com/cbJFFly.png http://i.imgur.com/x2JYPYb.png
17:04	Mikerhinos	Krock: that's the biggest that I found since I play Minetest lol
17:04	sfan5	reactor: -DCMAKE_LINKING_FLAGS or something like that, you can find the exact var in the GUI with advanced mode enabled
17:05	Mikerhinos	Krock: not sure that yours is bigger (the cave, lol)
17:05	Krock	Mikerhinos, you can force them to get bigger
17:05	Krock	I could crate a XXXXL cave..
17:05	Mikerhinos	yes but I'm with default parameters
17:06	Krock	Mikerhinos, check out the tiny lava caves in my lua mapgen :P
17:07	Mikerhinos	don't know if Calinou changed anything, because it's from Carbone
17:08	Krock	Mikerhinos, all default-changes here: https://github.com/Calinou/carbone/blob/master/minetest.conf
17:10	Mikerhinos	nothing special with the caves, I guess I was lucky lol up on surface there are trees and sand, it's a small paradise lol (and almost at default spawn area 0,0,0)
17:13	Calinou	https://gitorious.org/calinou/carbone/source/491e761feaf911139e30ecc2b3a30f45f3425018:minetest.conf
17:13	Calinou	actually
17:14	Calinou	cave generation is very similar, but liquid springs and air springs will generate
17:14	Calinou	air springs are 10 Ã— 10 Ã— 10 at most
17:14	Calinou	they appear deep
17:14	Calinou	the lava lakes on the screenshot can appear in minetest_next too
17:14	LemonLake	^
17:16	realtinymonster	who want's to see an ugly gravel texture?
17:16	LemonLake	me me me
17:17	realtinymonster	LemonLake: zsoltisawesome.insomnia247.nl/gravel.png
17:18	LemonLake	its literally just noise
17:18	realtinymonster	lol
17:18	realtinymonster	its actually not computer generated
17:19	realtinymonster	what can I say, I suck at drawing some things
17:19	Calinou	you don't generate most textures with noise only
17:19	Calinou	realtinymonster, see Carbone's gravel ;)
17:20	rubenwardy	!title https://github.com/rubenwardy/NodeBoxEditor/commit/be90ff4257c3c9c73fc4ae03e4ee5a3e5fd11dd5
17:20	MinetestBot	rubenwardy: Temporary fix for top right viewport Â· be90ff4 Â· rubenwardy/NodeBoxEditor Â· GitHub
17:20	rubenwardy	LemonLake :(
17:20	LemonLake	whats up
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17:21	realtinymonster	Calinou: :(
17:21	Calinou	https://gitorious.org/calinou/carbone/source/491e761feaf911139e30ecc2b3a30f45f3425018:mods/default/textures/default_gravel.png
17:21	Calinou	https://gitorious.org/calinou/carbone/raw/491e761feaf911139e30ecc2b3a30f45f3425018:mods/default/textures/default_gravel.png â†’ lol, it opens it directly
17:21	Calinou	binary format
17:22	realtinymonster	all i have to work with is shitty MS Paint
17:22	LemonLake	Try paint.net
17:22	LemonLake	Or gimp
17:22	realtinymonster	nope
17:22	LemonLake	I use photoshop doe
17:22	realtinymonster	and noope
17:22	realtinymonster	and nope
17:22	Calinou	GIMP!
17:22	LemonLake	nope nope nope?
17:22	Calinou	or Aseprite
17:22	realtinymonster	yes
17:22	LemonLake	did you even try them?
17:22	realtinymonster	nope
17:22	cisoun	+1 for gimp
17:22	realtinymonster	yeah i have
17:22	LemonLake	why nope
17:22	Krock	+1 for PDN
17:23	realtinymonster	beacause this is a no-install computer :/
17:23	LemonLake	pdn is my favourite free photo editor
17:23	LemonLake	well, image editor
17:23	LemonLake	a no-install computer?
17:23	LemonLake	what the hell is that?
17:23	realtinymonster	yep
17:23	Krock	(doesn't install computers)
17:23	realtinymonster	you can't install anything
17:23	LemonLake	why that
17:23	realtinymonster	its a bug
17:23	cisoun	Chuck Norris style : write a PNG file with vim.
17:23	LemonLake	'a bug'
17:24	LemonLake	that is the biggest piece of invalid information i have ever heard
17:24	rubenwardy	It is a feature!
17:24	Krock	not a bug, it's a HUGE fail
17:24	LemonLake	^
17:24	realtinymonster	lol
17:24	LemonLake	a few suggestions:
17:24	LemonLake	understand how computers actually work
17:24	LemonLake	check your user account settings
17:24	Krock	like: 010010000001001101
17:24	LemonLake	dont use the library computer
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17:25	realtinymonster	LemonLake: I know how to use a computer, I have, the admin account disappeared, this is my home computer
17:25	realtinymonster	Krock: lol
17:25	LemonLake	in which case, that's not a bug
17:25	LemonLake	you just dont have any permissions to install
17:25	LemonLake	open cmd
17:26	realtinymonster	ok...
17:26	LemonLake	run it as an admin
17:26	Krock	realtinymonster, start in safe mode and make it working again..
17:26	LemonLake	(type cmd into search, right click then run as admin)
17:26	rubenwardy	try googling for answers
17:26	LemonLake	actually yeah
17:26	realtinymonster	well
17:26	LemonLake	launch in safe mode with command prompt
17:26	LemonLake	then do net user administrator /active:yes
17:26	rubenwardy	"I can't log into my admin account <operating system name>
17:26	Krock	is it even a Win computer?
17:26	realtinymonster	when the UAC comes up it says that it couldn't find any admins
17:27	realtinymonster	Krock: yes, you idiot
17:27	LemonLake	WOAH WOAH WOAH
17:27	LemonLake	that was uncalled for!
17:27	Krock	thx for the compliment
17:27	realtinymonster	Krock: any time :D
17:27	LemonLake	how the flying fuck did you manage to lose your admin account
17:27	Krock	realtinymonster, plz repeat it 5 times again :D
17:28	LemonLake	what kind of porn subscription did you download to get that
17:28	realtinymonster	lol
17:28	Krock	LemonLake, tihnk of the kids here
17:28	LemonLake	shhh
17:28	Krock	(or FBI agentss)
17:28	realtinymonster	lol
17:28	LemonLake	go to sleep kids
17:28	realtinymonster	including me?
17:28	Krock	kids are actually FBI agents
17:28	LemonLake	indeed
17:28	LemonLake	yes you too realtiny
17:28	realtinymonster	i could be concidered a 'kid'
17:29	LemonLake	how that
17:29	LemonLake	http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/enable-the-hidden-administrator-account-on-windows-vista/
17:29	LemonLake	first result in google
17:29	realtinymonster	*windows 7
17:29	realtinymonster	:P
17:29	LemonLake	yeah, its for windows 7.
17:29	LemonLake	it's exactly the same.
17:29	realtinymonster	its not
17:29	LemonLake	it also has windows 8 instructions.
17:29	LemonLake	did you even read it
17:29	realtinymonster	meh
17:30	realtinymonster	why post it under vista!
17:30	Krock	#windowsXPforthewin
17:30	LemonLake	"Enable the (Hidden) Administrator Account on Windows 7, 8, or Vista"
17:30	* rubenwardy	might play SH1
17:30	realtinymonster	vista shucks
17:30	LemonLake	because they edited the post
17:30	Calinou	shit 1
17:30	LemonLake	so they dont have to fucking rewrite it
17:30	LemonLake	L O G I C
17:30	Krock	Calinou, +1
17:30	realtinymonster	LemonLake: lol
17:30	LemonLake	final suggestion: get linux
17:30	realtinymonster	gaghaghahgahgahghaghaghahghaghaghahgahghaghahgahg
17:30	LemonLake	linux saves lives
17:30	realtinymonster	Linux breaks computers
17:30	* Krock	slaps LemonLake
17:30	LemonLake	lol no
17:31	* Krock	tabs realtinymonster
17:31	LemonLake	since when does linux break computers
17:31	realtinymonster	i've been tabbed?
17:31	* PenguinDad	slaps Krock and realtinymonster
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17:31	realtinymonster	LemonLake: ever since they could go out of date
17:31	LemonLake	umm what
17:31	* Krock	roundhousekicks PenguinDad
17:31	realtinymonster	Krock: Chuck Norris!
17:31	Krock	^^
17:32	* Jordach	BFGs Krock
17:32	Krock	*BFD?
17:32	realtinymonster	Jordach: WOOO Doom!
17:32	PenguinDad	Krock: Big Fucking Gun (Doom FTW)
17:32	kaeza	<realtinymonster> Linux breaks computers <-- and Windows doesn't </sarcasm>
17:32	realtinymonster	lol
17:32	Krock	doom? okay, it's google time
17:32	realtinymonster	its an old video game
17:32	kaeza	:\|
17:33	kaeza	>doesn't know Doom
17:33	realtinymonster	lol
17:33	kaeza	Krock, just WTF
17:33	LemonLake	>doesnt give ten shits
17:33	LemonLake	realtinymonster
17:33	Krock	kaeza, why wtf?
17:33	LemonLake	<realtinymonster> LemonLake: ever since they could go out of date
17:33	LemonLake	please clarify
17:33	Krock	I don't know doom - that's true
17:33	realtinymonster	>doesnt give one hundred shits
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17:34	realtinymonster	LemonLake: my computer is old
17:34	LemonLake	that may be your issue
17:34	LemonLake	but at least try to solve the issue than being stubborn, insulting and ignorant
17:34	LemonLake	https://www.google.com/search?q=windows+7+admin+account+is+gone
17:34	kaeza	^
17:34	LemonLake	here's a google search.
17:34	LemonLake	have fun.
17:34	realtinymonster	ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
17:34	Krock	LemonLake, wrong usage
17:34	realtinymonster	its Google!
17:35	LemonLake	'wrong usage'
17:35	Krock	http://lmgtfy.com/?q=windows+7+admin+account+is+gone
17:35	Krock	^
17:35	LemonLake	i was lazy to go to it
17:35	LemonLake	:P
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17:35	realtinymonster	Nobody in their right mind uses google anymore
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17:35	Calinou	^
17:36	Krock	yup. I use bing. M$ for the win
17:36	* Calinou	puts john_minetest on Princess Lua
17:36	LemonLake	realtinymonster
17:36	Calinou	</pun>
17:36	LemonLake	I'm sure you can replace 'google' with a search engine of your choice.
17:36	rubenwardy	I use duckduckgo, and then do !g
17:36	LemonLake	It's not that difficult.
17:36	rubenwardy	Jokes
17:36	LemonLake	Infact, it's pretty simple.
17:36	kaeza	Krock, there's also http://www.giyf.com/
17:36	LemonLake	Want me to give you super detailed instructions?
17:36	Krock	kaeza, true :)
17:37	realtinymonster	LemonLake: nope
17:37	LemonLake	Then use a search engine. It's not hard to find a solution there.
17:37	realtinymonster	What i should really like is for you to stop pestering me
17:37	LemonLake	Okay then.
17:37	Krock	kaeza, but it misses a moving cursor to show how to google.
17:37	kaeza	Krock, but it has >Someone thinks you're too lazy to use Google before asking a question. Now someone is tired of answering stupid questions and sent you a link to this site to point out that you can easily find the answer yourself. Please do so.
17:38	Calinou	Vimeo isn't any better
17:38	Calinou	it tells people to use Flash daily
17:38	LemonLake	^
17:38	rubenwardy	New build of the node box editor for windows, with some bugs fixed: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=142976#p142976
17:38	Calinou	you can use youtube-dl, or even the thing that lets you use playlists in your terminal
17:38	Krock	kaeza, okay, both are good.
17:38	LemonLake	hell yeah @rubenwardy
17:38	LemonLake	I may be using the NBE a lot later on in Ace of Picks when I start adding nodes
17:39	LemonLake	Right now I'm still working on death messages
17:39	Calinou	the embedded videos will all say â€œ<hipster way of saying â€œsnapâ€> can't be played with your setupâ€
17:39	Calinou	YouTube videos show up properly when embedded
17:39	Calinou	Vimeo's don't
17:39	LemonLake	^
17:39	LemonLake	Well, ^@calinou
17:39	reactor	What's the deal with inventory HUD suddenly disappearing?!
17:39	Krock	interesting, I can't use vimeo without flashplayer
17:39	Calinou	it never worked for me, unlike YouTube
17:39	Calinou	(Firefox 29, no Flash installed)
17:40	Calinou	maybe it dislikes my AdBlock or /etc/hosts file
17:40	PenguinDad	It works perfectly for me (Firefox 32, no Flash, Adblock Edge)
17:40	realtinymonster	hehe I have gotten in front!
17:41	LemonLake	^?
17:41	realtinymonster	damn
17:41	realtinymonster	PenguinDad did too
17:41	realtinymonster	LemonLake: Firefox 32
17:42	LemonLake	ahh
17:42	realtinymonster	john_minetest: ever heard of beta and nightly?
17:42	realtinymonster	:P
17:42	LemonLake	^
17:43	LemonLake	I think they're actually on 33 in a few days/weeks
17:43	realtinymonster	:O
17:43	LemonLake	No guarantee but I heard it somewhere
17:43	LemonLake	Yes, john_minetest
17:43	realtinymonster	I feel left behind....
17:43	LemonLake	I remember back when it was at firefox 3 for like years
17:43	Calinou	better and better*
17:44	LemonLake	suddenly, 'Download now! Firefox 60385!'
17:44	Calinou	it's not bad to have such versioning
17:44	realtinymonster	lol
17:44	Calinou	I don't understand the (IMO unwarranted) hate for it
17:44	Calinou	way better than confusing â€œ.10â€œ like â€œ3.10â€
17:44	Calinou	GNOME 2.32 anyone? :p
17:44	LemonLake	^
17:45	LemonLake	God damn my depressed autistic mind...
17:45	Calinou	GNOME 2 is
17:45	realtinymonster	john_minetest: lol
17:45	Calinou	lol, I kill guy in Enemy Territory
17:45	realtinymonster	KDE must be 1897 :P
17:45	Calinou	he kills me 1 minute later, walks on me, switches to pistol and finishes me
17:46	LemonLake	lol owned
17:47	LemonLake	OMFG
17:47	realtinymonster	haha
17:48	LemonLake	finally
17:48	LemonLake	KDE does look better than gnome 3.0
17:48	realtinymonster	KDE today looks pretty kewl
17:49	LemonLake	It looks a lot like aero
17:49	realtinymonster	LemonLake: I believe thats the point...
17:49	realtinymonster	+!
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17:49	realtinymonster	+1
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17:50	Calinou	KDE has Twilight Sparkle
17:50	* Calinou	runs
17:50	nman3600	hi
17:50	nman3600	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9334
17:50	Calinou	hi nman3600
17:50	realtinymonster	who here lives in the netherlands?
17:50	nman3600	1.0 of my mod is now released!
17:50	LemonLake	New version nman3600?
17:50	LemonLake	oh neat
17:50	* john_minetest	gallops away
17:50	LemonLake	I hope you didn't remove my carpet for loop.
17:50	* realtinymonster	slaps Calinou in the back of the head with a frying pan
17:50	* Krock	slaps nman3600: I don't have AD block on IRC
17:50	PenguinDad	I have only seen Rainbow Dash for KDE
17:50	nman3600	LemonLake nope
17:50	* PenguinDad	gallops away
17:51	nman3600	Krock none of us do
17:51	nman3600	i think
17:51	LemonLake	Ad block on IRC?
17:51	nman3600	idk
17:51	LemonLake	I think he was making a joke?
17:51	LemonLake	Or * PenguinDad is like 'fuck this shit'
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17:52	LemonLake	nman3600; are the item frames part of your mod?
17:52	PenguinDad	LemonLake: which shit?
17:52	LemonLake	All of the shit
17:52	nman3600	LemonLake no it's a mod
17:52	LemonLake	I'm aware.
17:52	LemonLake	Just checking.
17:54	realtinymonster	LemonLake: lol
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17:54	LemonLake	^^
17:54	LemonLake	what the flying fuck
17:54	realtinymonster	lol
17:55	* LemonLake	slaps \|whiskers76\| so hard that plane
17:55	realtinymonster	hmh
17:55	* sfan5	meows at \|whiskers76\|
17:55	\|whiskers76\|	sorry
17:55	realtinymonster	Khahahhahahahahahahaha
17:55	\|whiskers76\|	trying to keep idiots from being imposters
17:56	* john_minetest	gives sfan5 a <'((((((((((((((((((((-<
17:56	LemonLake	o.o?
17:56	\|whiskers76\|	cough nyuszika7h cough
17:56	* sfan5	noms it
17:56	* realtinymonster	meows at C418's cat
17:56	nyuszika7h	not now
17:56	Calinou	C418's encoded cat
17:56	LemonLake	What encoding?
17:56	realtinymonster	lol
17:56	nyuszika7h	whiskers75: you do realize you can just tell freenode staff if it gets bad enough that whoever the imposter is really doesn't want to stop
17:56	nyuszika7h	they don't like imposter nicks anyway
17:56	whiskers75	he's in here?
17:57	LemonLake	Or just register your nickname with nickserv
17:57	LemonLake	?
17:57	whiskers75	LemonLake: à² _à²
17:57	Calinou	nyuszika7h, suddenly, Chiyo
17:57	nman3600	Ã³.Ã³
17:57	whiskers75	that's so stupid, I can't even reply.
17:57	realtinymonster	lol
17:57	LemonLake	I am stupid, thanks.
17:57	LemonLake	Brain damage is fun!
17:57	whiskers75	It is registered à² _à²
17:57	LemonLake	Aiight.
17:57	whiskers75	I'm just grouping all the clone nicks
17:57	nyuszika7h	whiskers75: have fun
17:57	realtinymonster	suddenly, LDF 9001
17:57	nyuszika7h	the limit is 20
17:57	LemonLake	ohh I see.,
17:57	nyuszika7h	that's a waste of space
17:58	whiskers75	[nyuszika7h intensifies]
17:58	nyuszika7h	you can always tell freenode staff if whoever does it really doesn't want to stop. not that you should instantly tell them if I ever change my nick to something resembling yours, of course, because we're friends, right?
17:58	whiskers75	"friends"
17:58	realtinymonster	hehe
17:58	LemonLake	deep
17:58	Krock	nman3600, changelog missing
17:58	realtinymonster	de_eb
17:58	LemonLake	plot twist: you two are more than friends
17:58	whiskers75	I'd call you somewhere in the middle with sfan5 and octocodercat (a psycho codercat who's nice sometimes)
17:59	Krock	(@ newestpost)
17:59	nman3600	Krock i'll add that
17:59	whiskers75	s/with/between/
17:59	Krock	nman3600, servercrash btw
17:59	* whiskers75	meows at sfan5
17:59	LemonLake	Changelog is unnecessary if there's git, right?
17:59	nman3600	i was just thinking that i'm missing something
17:59	nman3600	yeah i noticed Krock i crashed
17:59	Calinou	LemonLake, it makes it less necessary, but it's still good to have one
17:59	* sfan5	meows at Krock
17:59	Calinou	for any significant project
18:00	Calinou	(may be unneeded for just a Minetest mod or game)
18:00	* Krock	meows at sfan5
18:00	LemonLake	Actually, yeah yeah.
18:00	* sfan5	purrs at Krock
18:00	LemonLake	That reminds me, I should probably tell Florian to changelog breadhunter...
18:00	* Krock	acts like a mirror.
18:00	* Krock	purrs at sfan5
18:00	Calinou	I read â€œ* Krock acts like a minor.â€
18:00	Calinou	LemonLake, breadhunder? Florian?
18:00	Calinou	hunter*
18:01	LemonLake	Sorry, that was directed mainly at nman
18:01	Krock	Calinou, much best english?
18:01	LemonLake	Florian is me mate, Bread Hunter is a game we're developing in C++
18:01	LemonLake	He's the lead developer. I do more code, artwork, concepts and music.
18:01	Calinou	mhm
18:01	Calinou	you also made MLP game as far as I remember :D
18:01	LemonLake	And nman is my reminder board.
18:01	nman3600	Krock added changelog spoiler
18:01	LemonLake	Fall of Equestria?
18:02	Krock	nman3600, ok.
18:02	LemonLake	Dude, that's one FINE memory you have!
18:02	realtinymonster	hehe
18:02	LemonLake	I should speak to Lleeron if he wants to reboot that.
18:02	nman3600	wait how does Calinout know that
18:02	nman3600	Calinou*
18:02	LemonLake	No idea. Probably a friend of Lleeron.
18:02	nman3600	mayve
18:03	Calinou	<LemonLake> Dude, that's one FINE memory you have!
18:03	nman3600	ugh my "P" key on my keyboard got stuck again :(
18:03	Calinou	GitHub does it for me
18:03	LemonLake	That was on Github?
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18:03	Calinou	yep
18:03	LemonLake	Oh, that's a REALLY old version
18:03	LemonLake	Back when I didn't actually know how to code properly
18:03	LemonLake	Oh my god that code is shit as fuck
18:03	Calinou	I laughed at â€œunsupported OSâ€Â code
18:03	LemonLake	Ew ew ew
18:03	LemonLake	Don't look at it
18:04	LemonLake	Don't look at it!
18:04	LemonLake	THIS MUST BE REMOVED
18:04	realtinymonster	lol
18:04	Calinou	https://github.com/DrawingDrewfly/mlpgame
18:04	realtinymonster	i shal fork!
18:04	Calinou	consider putting a license up
18:04	LemonLake	Don't do that, realtinymonster
18:04	LemonLake	I would I could login to my git.
18:04	kaeza	what you do in the internet, stays in the internet
18:04	LemonLake	I hate java now, dw.
18:04	Calinou	Java is fine mostly, but I have slight aversion to it, due to the fact the Windows installer recommends adware
18:04	kaeza	Java <3
18:05	realtinymonster	hhmm
18:05	Krock	C# <3
18:05	realtinymonster	noooooooooooooooooooooo
18:05	kaeza	lol C#
18:05	realtinymonster	it got delete!
18:05	Calinou	also lol â€œMane.javaâ€
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18:05	LemonLake	Yeah lol
18:05	LemonLake	Calinou, refresh on that repo please
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18:06	Calinou	yeah, it got removed
18:06	Calinou	it was banished to the moon
18:06	* kaeza	slaps Krock with Python
18:06	* Calinou	gallops away
18:06	LemonLake	>:)
18:06	* Krock	slaps kaeza with batch
18:06	LemonLake	That was the final backup of the game's files.
18:06	LemonLake	Mauhahaha
18:06	* kaeza	slaps Krock with brainfuck
18:06	Krock	AAGH
18:07	kaeza	:D
18:07	Calinou	LemonLake, you don't have any cloned version?
18:07	* kaeza	wins
18:07		Krock joined #minetest
18:07	Krock	revived
18:07	LemonLake	I think I have three backups on external hard drives, actually
18:07	Calinou	wine kaeza.exe
18:07	LemonLake	And no, my hard drive has been wiped entirely four times since the last commit to that project
18:09	kaeza	Calinou, I prefer beer
18:09	* kaeza	gallops away
18:09	LemonLake	dat comeback
18:09	LemonLake	brb gonna see niece
18:19	LemonLake	Yo
18:31	realtinymonster	lol
18:31	realtinymonster	i be back
18:34	realtinymonster	<Calinou> wine kaeza.exe <kaeza> Calinou, I prefer beer
18:35	realtinymonster	hehe
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18:51	realtinymonster	Piggybear87: more computer problems?
18:51	Piggybear87	Huh?
18:53	realtinymonster	the last time your were here you were complaining about a pentium or smth
18:54	LemonLake	Doesn't mean it'll be the same this time
18:54	realtinymonster	true
18:55	LemonLake	Suddenly I feel extremely nauseous
18:56	Piggybear87	No, I auto connect to #minetest, #minetest-dev and #mosstest
18:56	realtinymonster	Suddenly, Pineapples
18:56	realtinymonster	ah ok
18:56	LemonLake	Ditto
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18:58	Piggybear87	Also, according to sfan5, my graphics card is too slow for minetest. I get black sky and no inventory textures.
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18:58	realtinymonster	ah
18:58	LemonLake	What's your Open GL version?
18:58	Piggybear87	Yup.
18:58	LemonLake	It should say in the Minetest titlebar?
18:58	Piggybear87	1.3
18:58	realtinymonster	did you try rendering in DX8 or 9?
18:58	LemonLake	There's your issue.
18:58	realtinymonster	LemonLake: not really
18:58	LemonLake	Most OpenGL block-based games at LEAST require 1.4
18:58	realtinymonster	I run minetest on 1.3 just fine
18:59	realtinymonster	*used to
18:59	LemonLake	Really? o.o
18:59	Piggybear87	DX8/9 is Windows.
18:59	realtinymonster	ah
18:59	realtinymonster	software render?
18:59	LemonLake	eww
18:59	realtinymonster	it sucks, but it works
19:00	realtinymonster	it makes water real pretty :P
19:03	LemonLake	Whenever I use ipairs, nothing is ever iterated
19:03	jin_xi	read pil
19:03	LemonLake	pil?
19:04	jin_xi	http://www.lua.org/pil/
19:04	LemonLake	I have already.
19:04	jin_xi	looks like it
19:04	LemonLake	Don't you think I would've tried?
19:04	jin_xi	only use ipairs for arrays
19:04	LemonLake	Order is extremely important here.
19:05	jin_xi	maybe try using a reverse table
19:05	LemonLake	a wut
19:05	LemonLake	Whatever, maybe the error isn't order
19:05	LemonLake	Maybe it's something else
19:07	jin_xi	http://www.lua.org/pil/4.3.5.html
19:07	LemonLake	Don't you think I would've read that?
19:07	LemonLake	Oh, I see.
19:07	LemonLake	Oh.
19:08	LemonLake	<LemonLake> Whatever, maybe the error isn't order
19:08	LemonLake	<LemonLake> Maybe it's something else
19:09	Piggybear87	Gonna try mo other vid card. back in a bit.
19:12	nman3600	woah all of a sudden my sproxel just went laggy as hell
19:12	LemonLake	why are you using sproxel
19:12	nman3600	i'm just messing around with it
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19:16	realtinymonster	so! what are your findings?
19:17	realtinymonster	Piggybear87:
19:17	Piggybear87	No-go. Machine wouldn't turn on. It must be bad.
19:17	sfan5	Piggybear87: I say could be too slow
19:17	* sfan5	gives kaeza a beer
19:18	Piggybear87	sfan5, I know. It is, I think. Maybe it's my low ram also...
19:19	* nman3600	strokes sfan5
19:19	LemonLake	http://pastebin.com/m3mrxGQr
19:19	LemonLake	My intention here is for the current element to be removed, and all the other to move upwards.
19:19	realtinymonster	Piggybear87: does it have a built-in gfx card?
19:19	Piggybear87	Yes, a really old one.
19:19	LemonLake	Instead, the first time they move DOWN a bit, then they just get removed and are no longer moved up
19:19	LemonLake	moved up > > moved*
19:19	* sfan5	meows at nman3600
19:20	realtinymonster	Piggybear87: have you tried it?
19:20	realtinymonster	its worth a shot
19:21	Piggybear87	Wait, An actual card? No. Integrated, yes.
19:21	realtinymonster	yeah
19:21	realtinymonster	I know
19:21	realtinymonster	tried it?
19:21	Piggybear87	That's what I'm using now. The integrated one.
19:21	realtinymonster	hmm
19:21	realtinymonster	odd
19:22	Piggybear87	intel corporation 82865g integrated graphics controller
19:22	realtinymonster	sfan5: I want a bear too!
19:23	* Piggybear87	needs coffee and will return in < 5 minutes.
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19:25	jin_xi	LemonLake: why are not using v in the loop (apart from dumping it)?
19:26	* Piggybear87	is back. COFFEE!!!!
19:26	LemonLake	Because I'm stupid, why?
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19:26	Piggybear87	Anyone know how to see when someone was last seen?
19:27	Vazon	mhmm i beilive thats a mod
19:27	PenguinDad	!seen somename
19:27	MinetestBot	PenguinDad: Sorry, I haven't seen somename around.
19:27	Vazon	or are you talking about on htere?
19:27	PenguinDad	^ Piggybear87
19:27	Piggybear87	!seen us'0gb
19:27	MinetestBot	Piggybear87: Sorry, I haven't seen us'0gb around.
19:27	jin_xi	moar likely its me being stupid... but it looks strange to me
19:27	Piggybear87	Hmm...
19:28	Piggybear87	!seen Us'0gb
19:28	MinetestBot	Piggybear87: Sorry, I haven't seen us'0gb around.
19:28	Piggybear87	!seen us'0Gb
19:28	MinetestBot	Piggybear87: Sorry, I haven't seen us'0gb around.
19:29	realtinymonster	!seen us`0gb
19:29	MinetestBot	realtinymonster: us`0gb was last seen at 2014-05-22 23:32:37 UTC on #minetest
19:29	Piggybear87	Defuq?
19:29	Piggybear87	Whu did it do it for you and not me?
19:29	nman3600	i think it's !up Us'0gb is what you're looking for
19:29	realtinymonster	no
19:29	Piggybear87	No, I'm looking for him, not his server.
19:29	nman3600	ok
19:29	realtinymonster	because ' and ` are differnt thngs
19:30	nman3600	!seen 0gb
19:30	MinetestBot	nman3600: Sorry, I haven't seen 0gb around.
19:30	PenguinDad	!down 0gb.us
19:30	Piggybear87	Ah, I see now. They look the same on my screen.
19:30	realtinymonster	lol
19:30	nman3600	is it possible to have 2 drawtypes in one node?
19:31	PenguinDad	nman3600: not at the moment
19:31	LemonLake	We had an excellent discussion about this yesterday.
19:31	Piggybear87	Not that I'm aware of.
19:31	LemonLake	It would require extra param types.
19:31	nman3600	:( i wanted to do that
19:31	LemonLake	Don't bother trying.
19:31	nman3600	k
19:31	LemonLake	It's entirely impossible.
19:33	Piggybear87	!up 0gb.us
19:33	MinetestBot	0gb.us:30000 seems to be down
19:38	LemonLake	Can nobody else help?
19:39	realtinymonster	no!
19:39	realtinymonster	well maybe..
19:39	realtinymonster	whats going on?
19:39	Piggybear87	sfan5, Is there a way to see what version of opengl I have/can support?
19:39	realtinymonster	run minetest
19:39	realtinymonster	:P
19:40	Piggybear87	Yup. 1.3... oh well.
19:40	Piggybear87	What about a way to tell how high I can support?
19:41	realtinymonster	that should be ther highest
19:41	realtinymonster	it depends entirely on the gfx card
19:41	realtinymonster	if thats the highest it can go, then thats that
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19:42	realtinymonster	to get higher oGL, get a new gfx card
19:42	Ner0	Quick question
19:42	Ner0	How do I run the phenny bot on my irc
19:42	realtinymonster	wrong chan
19:42	realtinymonster	:P
19:42	Ner0	I'm using the one sfan5 has on google
19:42	Ner0	*github
19:42	LemonLake	no bots in this channel
19:42	realtinymonster	google lol
19:42	Ner0	Yes MinetestBot is the bot
19:43	realtinymonster	Ner0, you need python
19:43	Ner0	realtinymonster
19:43	Ner0	,okay
19:43	Ner0	Download python?
19:43	realtinymonster	yus
19:43	LemonLake	why do you need it ner0?
19:43	Ner0	and then run it?
19:43	realtinymonster	yes
19:43	Ner0	what file do i run?
19:43	Ner0	startup.py?
19:43	Ner0	or server.py?
19:43	LemonLake	ner0, why do you need it?
19:43	realtinymonster	the file called phenny i think
19:44	Ner0	Theres no file called phenny
19:44	nman3600	i was about to ask a really stupid question but i remembered the answer
19:44	realtinymonster	did you download pheny?
19:44	Ner0	the only p is ping.py
19:44	realtinymonster	you need phenny too
19:44	rubenwardy	bye all
19:44	LemonLake	Ner0, can you answer me?
19:44	Ner0	Phenny is a script xD
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19:45	realtinymonster	ok then
19:46	nman3600	you should be happy i saved you all from facepalming
19:47	Krock	singlenode mapgen lies.
19:47	Krock	there are 2 nodes
19:47	LemonLake	which are?
19:47	Krock	ignore, air
19:47	LemonLake	actualy
19:47	LemonLake	singlenode as in one node that's actually solid
19:48	realtinymonster	*has
19:48	realtinymonster	that would be ignore
19:48	Krock	papyrus is a node, too.
19:48	CraigyDavi	singlenode generates nyancats
19:48	Krock	it's not solid
19:48	realtinymonster	oh
19:48	realtinymonster	lol
19:48	nman3600	Door mat!: http://imgur.com/t6FHCDv
19:48	Piggybear87	Great, now Minetest won't event connet to a serer...
19:49	LemonLake	nman, how about you make it fill half of the floor?
19:49	nman3600	whatya mean?
19:49	nman3600	it's covers up a whole node
19:49	LemonLake	more doormat shaped
19:50	nman3600	how do i make it more than a nodebox big
19:50	LemonLake	what
19:50	nman3600	i want it wider than a node
19:54	LemonLake	oh
19:54	LemonLake	here is where my minetest chan went
19:55	reactor	How come so many players now, and barely one-two people a day in April?
19:55	realtinymonster	because summer :P
19:55	reactor	What happened? Cracked Minecraft broke again?
19:55	reactor	Ah.
19:56	reactor	Well I don't see how summer is "freer" than terms. Because projects and such.
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19:57	sfan5	Piggybear87: glxinfo
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19:57	Piggybear87	Huh?
19:58	Piggybear87	Oh. Ok. Lol.
19:59	Piggybear87	It says I have 1.4
20:00	Piggybear87	Anywho. I gotta got to the store. Back in a while.
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20:10	realtinymonster	hi
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20:11	realtinymonster	https://github.com/realtinymonster/gitpack-minetest , https://github.com/realtinymonster/gitpack-minecraft
20:13	Enke	Looks neat! I'd contribute, but I'm horrible at texturing... :-(
20:13	realtinymonster	meh,its all good
20:14	Enke	quite suitable for work?
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20:16	webdesigner97	Hello :)
20:16	realtinymonster	hi
20:16	realtinymonster	https://github.com/realtinymonster/gitpack-minetest , https://github.com/realtinymonster/gitpack-minecraft
20:16	CraigyDavi	hello webdesigner97
20:17	webdesigner97	lol, what did I find here? Bluetooth? :D https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/f5b791929e035d78af3aff502ca119eac745e91e
20:18	VanessaE	hi
20:18	nman3600	hi CraigyDavi and VanessaE
20:19	CraigyDavi	Hello nman3600
20:19	nman3600	have you checked out 1.0 of my multitest mod?
20:19	nman3600	oh and CraigyDavi did you want credits for the handle grip texture?
20:19	CraigyDavi	Nah
20:19	nman3600	ok
20:19	webdesigner97	hello VanessaE :)
20:20	VanessaE	hey hey
20:20	Enke	VanessaE: Is Inchranet down for you?
20:20	realtinymonster	VanessaE: did you see gitpack?
20:21	Enke	realtinymonster: I forked gitpack, just to see if I could do anything with it. I may start work on a few textures.
20:21	realtinymonster	cool
20:21	realtinymonster	minetest on mc?
20:21	realtinymonster	*or
20:21	Enke	minetest
20:22	realtinymonster	cool
20:23	CraigyDavi	Enke: Inchranet is up for me. Try a different server
20:23	Enke	Hmm. Horus is down, anyway.
20:23	Enke	I'll try Ra
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20:28	VanessaE	Enke: inchra is working fine for me; horus might be down, dunno - use isis :)
20:28	VanessaE	realtinymonster: not familiar with that
20:28	Enke	CraigyDavi: I'm also getting a connection failure for ra.inchra.net as well.
20:28	Enke	I'll try isis
20:28	realtinymonster	https://github.com/realtinymonster/gitpack-minetest , https://github.com/realtinymonster/gitpack-minecraft
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20:28	realtinymonster	^ VanessaE
20:29	CraigyDavi	Using port 6667, Enke?
20:29	Enke	Yep.
20:29	VanessaE	inchra might require ssl/sasl
20:29	VanessaE	I don't remember
20:29	Enke	It worked fine earlier today, and I haven't changed any settings.
20:29	VanessaE	port 6697
20:30	CraigyDavi	Hmm I'm using isis. Try that one.
20:32	webdesigner97	Do you know this feeling when your Todo list for your mod is empty but you still think you cannot release it?
20:32	Enke	6697, huh?
20:33	Enke	Okay, I'm gonna attempt to connect with isis on port 6697, with no SSL. If that doesn't work, I'll turn on SSL for isis.
20:34	VanessaE	webdesigner97: yep, I know that feeling, it's like "surely I missed something" :)
20:34	webdesigner97	yes :)
20:34	VanessaE	Enke: 6697 + ssl
20:34	webdesigner97	exactly :D
20:34	Enke	Okay.
20:34	webdesigner97	What currently blocks me from the next release is https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1338
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20:35	realtinymonster	minetest has too many issues
20:35	realtinymonster	:P
20:35	webdesigner97	hello cheapie :)
20:35	webdesigner97	haha :D Maybe yes
20:35	cheapie	Does anybody know what's wrong with InchraNet? All of the MT servers are connected, but DNS lookups for it are failing from here.
20:35	realtinymonster	haha
20:36	realtinymonster	Enke is having the same problem
20:36	nman3600	ShadowNinja do you want credits for helping me with some code on my mod?
20:36	cheapie	I tried isis, horus, anubis, and ra, as well as not specifying any. It won't work.
20:36	Enke	cheapie: I'm currently trying isis.inchra.net, port 6697, with SSL.
20:36	reactor	Okay this is strange. Compiled MT with FreeType and Gettext, still can't set language!
20:36	reactor	It just ignores my config setting!
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20:37	LemonLake	Fixed it.
20:37	LemonLake	Hi nman3600
20:37	* cheapie	pokes ShadowNinja
20:37	nman3600	Hi LemonLake
20:37	LimePool	:P
20:37	Enke	is there a command to force a connection attempt?
20:37	LemonLake	Damn you RTM :P
20:37	cheapie	Enke: dig is coming up with nothing.
20:37	VanessaE	LimePool: what kind of issues?
20:38	Enke	Hmmm.
20:38	LimePool	well, webdesigner97 quoted the 133X issue
20:38	LimePool	:P
20:38	LimePool	alot
20:38	* cheapie	finds a workaround
20:38	webdesigner97	LimePool: What did I quote? :D
20:38	cheapie	Point your IRC clients at digitalaudioconcepts.com - that goes straight to isis.
20:39	LimePool	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1338
20:39	LimePool	haha
20:39	LimePool	why?
20:39	webdesigner97	Why why? It's a problem :D
20:39	Enke	cheapie: what port?
20:39	cheapie	Enke: Whatever IRC port you normally use.
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20:40	Enke	Hang on.
20:40	cheapie	Enke: One of the InchraNet servers lives on that box.
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20:40	Enke	Bingo!
20:41	Enke	Thanks cheapie!
20:42	nman3600	LemonLake, CraigyDavi I've gave you both Credit's in my mod for textures and LemonLake a bit of coding okay?
20:42	kcin	darm
20:42	Enke	...And I went through all that crap just to find that ShadowServer wasn't up and Microchip wasn't on! Why do I even bother?
20:42	kcin	nman3600: how is Multitest?
20:42	CraigyDavi	Thats fine nman3600
20:43	nman3600	kcin fine i just updated it adding carpets and lamps and some other things i think
20:43	LemonLake	Chill
20:43	kcin	cool
20:43	cheapie	Enke: Microchip's on a 1-2 week vacation. He didn't say why.
20:43	llihC	har har
20:43	nman3600	CraigyDavi that's good
20:43	Enke	Huh. Irony alert.
20:44	LemonLake	What do you mean 'didn't say why'?
20:44	LemonLake	If you're on vacation, you're on vacation. Simple as.
20:44	llihC	lol
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20:45	LemonLake	Okay, ^^?
20:45	LemonLake	What the actual fuck is up with those name changes
20:45	webdesigner97	gtg, see you :)
20:45	LeeeeeeemonLake	:P
20:45	LemonLake	Fuck off
20:45	LeeeeeeemonLake	ok
20:46	nman3600	lol
20:46	enman3600	:P
20:46	nman3600	FUCK OF
20:46	nman3600	f
20:46	LemonLake	Language, Niall.
20:46	nman3600	LOL
20:46	LemonLake	:P
20:46	realtinymonster	lol
20:47	Enke	realtinymonster: 2 things: #1: would you find it odd if the bubbles had some rainbow in them, like solution bubbles? #2: Do you want hearts to be hearts, or something else?
20:47	nman3600	so in v.2.0 of multitest so far i've made door mat and that's it lol
20:47	LemonLake	Want an idea, Niall?
20:47	nman3600	yes pls
20:47	LemonLake	Add a block that iterates through all surrounding blocks of its type and turns them into a random block over a certain period of time.
20:48	nman3600	like that one minecraft mod?
20:48	LemonLake	Of course not.
20:48	nman3600	i might make that a seperat mod
20:48	realtinymonster	Hearts should be like olive green rounded sqares, i'm fine with rainbow bubbles
20:48	LemonLake	I was joking.
20:48	LemonLake	You don't even know what iterate means.
20:48	nman3600	no i don't
20:48	LemonLake	I do.
20:48	LemonLake	Ha ha.
20:48	realtinymonster	I do too, haha
20:48	nman3600	still gotta make the craft recipe for mat
20:48	nman3600	lo
20:48	LemonLake	http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define%3A+iterate
20:49	Enke	realtinymonster: Okay. olive-green rounded squares it is....
20:49	nman3600	so basically repeat
20:49	LemonLake	itÂ·erÂ·ate
20:49	LemonLake	ËˆitÉ™ËŒrÄt/Submit
20:49	LemonLake	verb
20:49	LemonLake	verb: iterate; 3rd person present: iterates; past tense: iterated; past participle: iterated; gerund or present participle: iterating
20:49	LemonLake	1.
20:49		LemonLake was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.
20:49	lmgtfydotcom	harhar
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20:49	LemonLake	Thanks xchat rofl
20:49	nman3600	lol
20:50	lmgtfydotcom	haha!
20:50	nman3600	genius name
20:50	lmgtfydotcom	thanks
20:50	nman3600	i love that website
20:50	nman3600	dot should be like this (dot)
20:50	harpnedottk	sure
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20:51	realtinymonster	lol
20:51	realtinymonster	ctrl + z
20:52	LemonLake	nman3600, will you still be on at 11?
20:52	nman3600	LemonLake maybe
20:52	Enke	realtinymonster: vertical or horizontal olive-green rounded rectangles?
20:52	realtinymonster	sqares :P
20:53	realtinymonster	#gitpack
20:53	Enke	Oops. I'm not on top of my game today.
20:53	Enke	Of course, I've never been on top of my game ever.
20:53	nman3600	how do u change name?
20:53	LemonLake	WIth /nick
20:53	Enke	nman3600: /nick <newname>
20:53	nman3600	k thanks
20:54	multitest	heyo
20:54	realtinymonster	hi
20:54	{0063namn}	ehehe
20:54	multitest	lol
20:54	{0063namn}	ton lol
20:55	retsnomynitlaer	hi {0063namn}
20:55	nman3600	Ha
20:55	nman3600	STOLE YOUR NICK
20:55	retsnomynitlaer	:(
20:56	OrangeLake	HA
20:56	LemonLake	You can't take my nick anyway
20:56	LemonLake	It's nickserv'd
20:57	LakeLemon	lol
21:01	nman3600	AHH IT DOESN'T WORK :(
21:01	LemonLake	what doesn't
21:01	nman3600	the inventory image for this node isn't working
21:02	nman3600	cm'ere if you need to LemonLake
21:02	Enke	{0063namn}: I got the heart and the bubble textured. I'm gonna take 'em for a spin. I'll get back to you with how I think they look.
21:02	LemonLake	I'm fine thanks
21:02	LemonLake	Working with sapier on this
21:03	{0063namn}	Hungarian!
21:03	{0063namn}	Enke: sounds good
21:03	reactor	So, no idea?
21:03	nman3600	31 nodes in my mod :)
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21:04	reactor	Compiled with FreeType and Gettext, picked own fonts, set LANG properly -- still no Russian.
21:04	realtinymonster	over 450 lines of code to do one thing in my code, nman3600 :P
21:04	realtinymonster	well, not mine
21:04	nman3600	lol
21:04	realtinymonster	WindHero's
21:04	realtinymonster	it builds a space module at spawn
21:04	nman3600	inventory_image = {"multitest_door_mat.png"}, this is correct right?
21:04	LemonLake	I probably have at least three thousand lines of code in this entire project
21:05	LemonLake	Looks fine to me nman3600
21:05	nman3600	it doesn't work ingame
21:05	Enke	The bubbles look like bubbles, the hearts, not so much...
21:05	Enke	They are flat olive squares (with rounded edges)
21:05	realtinymonster	meh, thats the point!
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21:06	realtinymonster	its funnylooking
21:06	Enke	I'm still gonna touch 'em up a bit.
21:06	realtinymonster	ok
21:06	realtinymonster	sounds good
21:06	VanessaE	nman3600: for inventory images, no {braces}
21:06	Enke	BTW, dirt and grass textures are amazing!
21:06	VanessaE	inventory_image = "multitest_door_mat.png",
21:07	nman3600	ohk thanks!
21:07	realtinymonster	Enke: credit goes to Amaz for those :D
21:07	VanessaE	(same for the wield image)
21:07	realtinymonster	Enke: #gitpack
21:08	Enke	Don't have Twitter.
21:08	realtinymonster	lol
21:08	realtinymonster	join the channel
21:08	realtinymonster	its a channel
21:08	Enke	Oh, oops.
21:08	realtinymonster	:P
21:08	khonkhortisan	VanessaE, I forgot I made that issue
21:09	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: heh, a bit late in responding :)
21:09	khonkhortisan	Yeah, I was away
21:09	VanessaE	s'ok
21:11	nman3600	Yeah VannesaE i noticed i needed to add a wield image on a few of them thanks!
21:12	VanessaE	nman3600: most of the time you shouldn't need to add an inventory image or wield image
21:12	VanessaE	try to let the engine generate one for you from the rendered node
21:12	nman3600	k
21:13	nman3600	i find it annoying that every single bit of punctuation means it all to coding D:
21:14	VanessaE	most languages are like that
21:14	VanessaE	except maybe LOLCODE :)
21:14	VanessaE	(and that's hardly a legit language)
21:15	nman3600	lol
21:15	VanessaE	worse is brainfuck, where it's all nothing but punctuation :)
21:15	realtinymonster	lol lololol lolololollo lololol lolol
21:15	VanessaE	realtinymonster: no, think "lolcats" style grammar with BASIC-like syntax
21:15	nman3600	omg remind me never to start doing that
21:16	realtinymonster	ah
21:16	realtinymonster	"can I haz stack1", etc.?
21:16	VanessaE	yes, similar
21:16	realtinymonster	lol
21:16	VanessaE	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOLCODE
21:17	* realtinymonster	squeaks
21:17	realtinymonster	*rawrs!
21:17	realtinymonster	:P
21:17	realtinymonster	Non HTTPS!
21:18	VanessaE	not everyone is paranoid enough to need https for everything
21:18	VanessaE	:P
21:18	reactor	If you can use https, you should use it.
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21:19	VanessaE	why?
21:20	realtinymonster	lol
21:21	VanessaE	by virtue of me posting the link here, the NSA already knows what's on that page
21:21	VanessaE	https would gain nothing here
21:21	VanessaE	it's wikipedia.
21:21	VanessaE	(let's assume for the moment that they're recording this conversation in some massive database)
21:22	nman3600	then they're stalkers and pervets
21:22	VanessaE	their computer sees that link and follows it just as you would, just as I did when I searched for it.
21:22	nman3600	*perverts
21:22	VanessaE	they get the same content you and I got.
21:22	realtinymonster	nman3600: Yep, the US government is...
21:22	VanessaE	https would gain you and I exactly zip.
21:23	VanessaE	now on the other hand if I'm going to some private site that I don't tell anyone about at the time I visit, https makes perfect sense.
21:23	nman3600	oh wait so the us government can see UK things then
21:23	VanessaE	nman3600: if it goes across a forum that's visible to the US in a general fashion, sure
21:24	realtinymonster	dingbat
21:24	nman3600	ok VannesaE good...
21:24	VanessaE	if a random American like me could search for it, the US government can as well, and record it.
21:24	realtinymonster	yes
21:24	nman3600	i'm not american so i can do the same kinda with the UK government seeing it aswell D:
21:24	realtinymonster	I like the NSA, yet at the same time, I want to bash their brains out for spying on us
21:25	nman3600	lol i agree
21:25	VanessaE	(whether they actually DO record/make copies of it is a matter for the conspiracy theorists, but it is a known, documented fact that they do for some websites as well as all international phone calls to some countries)
21:25	nman3600	node ideas for my mod? join #multitest
21:26	VanessaE	not presently.
21:32	Exio4	;buf 120
21:32	Exio4	ff
21:38	ShadowNinja	cheapie: Um, use digitalaudioconcepts.com.
21:38	cheapie	ShadowNinja: That's what I did.
21:38	cheapie	That worked.
21:39	cheapie	Any idea when inchra.net will be fixed, though?
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21:48	Jordach	FU skyrim
21:48	Jordach	thanks for changing my keyboard prefs to US and not UK
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22:07	ShadowNinja	cheapie: Should be back within a day or two, I have to wait for someone else to come online though.
22:07	cheapie	OK.
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22:12	markveidemanis	!up 192.227.253.67
22:12	markveidemanis	!up 192.227.253.67 30010
22:12	markveidemanis	~up 192.227.253.67 30010
22:12	ShadowBot	markveidemanis: 192.227.253.67 port 30010 is up (331ms)
22:13	* markveidemanis	finally has a server
22:22	* Jordach	dislikes windows' inability to find a string in a filename
22:23	LemonLake	^^^^^^^^^66
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22:23	Jordach	seriously, if its like foobarfoo and you want bar, you wont get foobarfoo
22:23	Jordach	in said results
22:23	LemonLake	yep
22:23	LemonLake	it looks for exact name matches but it mostly looks in the file meta or contents
22:24	Jordach	Agent Ramsack is actually quite good at finding shit
22:24	realtinymonster	Jordach: how's BFD?
22:24	Jordach	realtinymonster, ignoring it until i finish my exams
22:24	realtinymonster	ah, end of year stuff?
22:26	realtinymonster	"A computer scientist is someone who fixes things that aren't broken" so true
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22:31	Jordach	munchies: solved
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23:41	hunterx689	hi
23:41	LemonLake	Hey!
23:41	hunterx689	VannesaE i need your help
23:42	hunterx689	something is happening ic ant connect to horus.inchra or isis,ra or anubis
23:42	hunterx689	i cant*
23:42	LemonLake	It's previously been reported today
23:42	VanessaE	hunterx689: the domain is down.
23:43	VanessaE	use digitalaudioconcepts.com port 6697 with SSL
23:43	VanessaE	(or 6667 without SSL might work too, idk)
23:43	VanessaE	that'll route you to isis, which is the same IP
23:43	hunterx689	ok
23:44	Jordach	i call bullshit
23:44	Jordach	resolving fine for me
23:44	VanessaE	but the domain is managed separately; "inchra" depends on a different server that someone else runs, that I guess is down right now?
23:44	kaeza	^
23:44	Jordach	http://paste.debian.net/102152/
23:44	kaeza	-"I call bullshit"
23:44	LemonLake	brb
23:45	Jordach	entire server messages log
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23:45	charlie	what the mese vanessa
23:45	VanessaE	Jordach: it's probably cached near you
23:45	Jordach	<3 Quassel :P
23:45	VanessaE	remember DNS does cache rather persistently.
23:45	hunterx689	you say that inchra is down now?
23:45	hunterx689	._.
23:45	kaeza	PS: dat MOTD
23:46	Jordach	vanessa is referring to the external adress
23:46	VanessaE	hunterx689: just the domain is I think, but the network is up.
23:46	Jordach	eg, isis.inchra.net
23:46	LemonLake	I just realised
23:46	LemonLake	I've never played minetest...
23:46	Jordach	n00b
23:46	Jordach	N00B
23:46	VanessaE	hunterx689: point your IRC client to digitalaudioconcepts.com or 192.99.11.10
23:46	Jordach	04,01NOOB!
23:46	LemonLake	I think I played it once with my brother but only a little bit
23:46	LemonLake	And it was for testing my mod
23:47	LemonLake	Minetest for me is less of a game but more of a place to experiment
23:47	LemonLake	A coding sandbox if you will
23:47	* kaeza	doesn't play MT too much anymore... too many items in TODO.txt
23:47	LemonLake	Might start helping out with some myself
23:47	VanessaE	hunterx689: in other words, the phone book is misplaced, but if you remember the phone numbers you want to call, those still work.
23:47	LemonLake	^
23:48	LemonLake	That's actually a pretty neat way of explaining domain names in a nutshell
23:48	hunterx689	NOOB!
23:48	hunterx689	XD
23:48	LemonLake	stfu okay? xD
23:49	hunterx689	yep...
23:49	hunterx689	but my head not XD
23:49	VanessaE	LemonLake: most common way I've heard to describe DNS
23:51	VanessaE	You have a central building (DNS root server) that distributes phone books (DNS records) to various offices in your town (your local DNS servers). You have call or visit your local office to use their book (make a DNS query) and write down the number you need, or you bring a book home with you (run your own DNS caching server) and look the records up yourself, then make your phone calls as needed (contact the IP addresses and send/receive
23:51	VanessaE	the data you wanted).
23:52	VanessaE	have to call*
23:52	LemonLake	Fair enough.
23:52	LemonLake	Jordach, hunterx689, here's why I've never played minetest: http://i.imgur.com/tPrmhSU.png
23:53	LemonLake	Nman showed me this game, and I was dead bored and looking for something to work on so I looked at the Intro page, thought the modding API was practically minimal (just nodes and craftitems) but I looked a bit deeper and found that it's actually an entire legit API
23:53	LemonLake	So I was like 'hell yeah, I'll just do stuff on here'
23:54	VanessaE	heh
23:54	LemonLake	I don't PLAY games much anymore
23:54	LemonLake	If I do it'd be something that I actually wanted to, most of it is steam games
23:55	LemonLake	And I'd play games that gave me nostalgia anyday (Pretty much any game on an old console, Portal 2, Quake, Doom, etc)
23:55	LemonLake	Just never get round to doing so
23:55	VanessaE	play the mt_nostalgia game then ;)
23:55	LemonLake	If I've never really played it before, I wouldn't feel nostalgic
23:56	VanessaE	true :)
23:56	LemonLake	I'd just think "Oh. This is old. Okay"
23:56	LemonLake	I replayed Portal the other day, got the Transmission Recieved achievement.
23:56	LemonLake	I'm probably gonna do another rerun tonight, get Camera Shy
23:57	LemonLake	Actually, fuck it I'll do that!

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