IRC log for #minetest, 2014-05-25

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Time	Nick	Message
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00:20	VanessaE	Vazon: tip:  use a custom selection box that covers the whole ladder, and use measures of 1/16 for your dimensions
00:20	Vazon	Ok
00:20	VanessaE	(so that your edges exactly line up with the pixels in the texture)
00:21	Vazon	kk
00:22	VanessaE	that way you can space the rungs of the ladder exactly 2 pixels apart
00:22	VanessaE	and they'll come out even
00:22	Vazon	ok
00:26	Vazon	So what do you think?
00:28	VanessaE	other than those two bits, seems like a good start
00:28	VanessaE	correct those first
00:28	VanessaE	and learn to use git ;)
00:29	Vazon	ok will do, do you have any idea how to lock the chest in another way than it is???
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00:29	Jordach	hey paramat
00:29	Jordach	:D
00:30	paramat	;)
00:30	VanessaE	not sure how locking nodes works
00:31	Vazon	mhmm ok
00:36	paramat	hmmmm, when i place light sources by voxelmanip their light level is correct but the light does not spread, is there a way to update the lighting? I see there is 'update_liquids()', would 'update_lighting()' be a good idea? BTW screenshot of finished dyson cube http://i.imgur.com/9rMiexc.png
00:38	PilzAdam	paramat, calc_lighting() ?
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00:44	paramat	i already use that, that correctly sets the lighting in all ways apart from spreading the light from light sources
00:47	paramat	i even tried updating lighting using an ABM to remove then re'place' (not 'add') a light source, but that causes the node to drop down 1 node, messy, must be a better way
00:48	VanessaE	oh that's neat
00:48	VanessaE	(the cube)
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02:30	Megaf	I just watched The Lego Movie
02:30	Megaf	such an awesome movie!
02:30	Megaf	Eveything is special!
02:30	BrandonReese	Is there any way to tell if a section of the map has been generated using voxel manip?
02:33	VanessaE	nonno
02:33	VanessaE	Everything is Awesome!â„¢
02:33	VanessaE	:D
02:33	VanessaE	(good movie, loved it)
02:34	VanessaE	not sure, Brandon
02:36	BrandonReese	hmmm, there needs to be a way to tell if an area has been generated
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02:37	VanessaE	well the register_on_generated() calls only run when land is being generated, can't you just use that?
02:38	VanessaE	(side effects such as the current incompatibility between snow and plants_lib aside)
02:39	BrandonReese	I want to add a node to a random place on the map, so I need to check if it's been generated so I know to do it on_generate or with voxelmanip
02:39	VanessaE	ah
02:40	VanessaE	best way is to use a register_on_generated() hook, and just compare your target coordinates with the minp/maxp values given to that call
02:40	VanessaE	if the target is within those coords, place your object
02:40	VanessaE	if not, just dump out and do nothing
02:42	BrandonReese	but what if the randomly chosen area is already generated?
02:43	VanessaE	I guess I'm a little confused.  why not just use a normal ABM and place your node the usual way?
02:43	VanessaE	vmanip is not the right way to place a single node
02:46	BrandonReese	The idea is like a treasure hunt. A random coordinate is chosen anywhere on the map and the treasure is placed there. I was looking at vmanip because it can alter unloaded areas (right?).  After the treasure is found, another coordinate for a new treasure is chosen and it all happens again
02:46	VanessaE	ordinarily, you'd blindly use a get_node() call first on your target coordinates, check the name of the returned node.  if it's "ignore", the block has not been generated.
02:47	VanessaE	(but it also returns "ignore" if the node isn't loaded)
02:47	VanessaE	vmanip can be used to set nodes in unloaded or ungenerated areas, yeah
02:48	BrandonReese	It looks like vmanip get_data returns all air on ungenerated blocks. So maybe I check for all air in the data and flag it to do it on_generate
02:51	VanessaE	but you want to be able to place this treasure on old maps too?
02:52	BrandonReese	yes, so if vmanip:get_data doesn't return all air, I should be able to use vmanip to place the treasure in the presumably unloaded area
02:52	VanessaE	hm
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03:35	Vazon	BrandonReese are you still htere?
03:35	BrandonReese	yes
03:35	Vazon	Ok query
03:36	Megaf	VanessaE; This gonna be my new ringtone, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTqXEQ2l-Y
03:36	BrandonReese	ok
03:36	Vazon	Megaf are you still sane?? :P
03:37	Megaf	Vazon; hm
03:37	Megaf	Vazon; I'm the craziest person you know
03:37	Vazon	xD
03:37	VanessaE	"He don't know me vewy well, do he?" ;)
03:38	WindHero	!title
03:38	MinetestBot	WindHero: Everything Is AWESOME!!! -- The LEGO® Movie -- Tegan and Sara feat. The Lonely Island - YouTube
03:38	WindHero	xD
03:38	WindHero	question: anyone know how to determine where the player will spawn before the world is generated?
03:38	WindHero	or at least at the first generation?
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03:41	VanessaE	read static_spawnpoint
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03:41	VanessaE	if it's nil, assume somewhere close to 0,0,0
03:41	VanessaE	ok, stupid answer :)
03:42	VanessaE	the real answer is that the engine tries to find a place to spawn the player, not really, no
03:42	VanessaE	s/not/so not/
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03:43	WindHero	Alright, looks like I should just resort to static spawn then...
03:46	Megaf	I use the same statis spawn point on all servers I create
03:46	Megaf	static*
03:49	WindHero	alright
03:50	WindHero	in that case I'll see if it exists, if not, create one, then create my lunar module, then reset the spawn to inside the module.
03:50	VanessaE	my spawn point is different for each server because I like to try to find a fairly high point that's somewhat flat but easy to get down to sea level and has room to build out in all four directions
03:53	Vazon	on every map i have every used i just find a nice place ot build a spawn then go from there
03:56	Vazon	VanessaE: I just remember that you wanted the copy of 3d armor 3d wieldview and skins that i had working, correct?
03:57	VanessaE	yes
03:57	Vazon	VanessaE: https://dl.dropbox.com/s/5fjsm619p0tanw2/minetest_3d.zip
03:57	Vazon	that has it
03:58	Vazon	let me know what you find out about fixing the 3d_wieldview attaching to the player model
03:59	VanessaE	I've no idea about that :)
03:59	Vazon	lol ok I will contact stu about that.
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04:39	Vazon	So is that working for you Vanessa?
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04:45	VanessaE	not exactly.
04:45	VanessaE	the 3d wield part works
04:45	VanessaE	but the armor part has inventory glitches
04:46	Vazon	what do you mean?
04:47	VanessaE	open the inventory once, the armor inventory shows.  open it again, the regular one shows.
04:47	Vazon	ok let me check
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04:50	Vazon	what inventory are you using?
04:51	serzv89	who?
04:52	Vazon	serzv89: Vanessa
04:52	serzv89	ah ok
04:54	VanessaE	creative mode, default
04:54	VanessaE	pretty sure anyways :)
04:54	serzv89	i feel stupid now...
04:56	Vazon	well im useing a modified version of unfied_inventory its about 3 weeks old
04:56	Vazon	the armor seems to stay there
04:58	VanessaE	I'll re-check later
05:02	Vazon	ok
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07:49	Krock	hello
07:49	whiskers75	hi
08:00	sfan5	meow
08:00	sfan5	hi everyone
08:00	* sfan5	meows at whiskers75
08:02	* whiskers75	meows at sfan5
08:02	* sfan5	purrs
08:02	* sfan5	throws .flac at whiskers75
08:02	* whiskers75	eats it
08:02	sfan5	D:
08:03	* whiskers75	starts humming a perfect lossless tune
08:03	whiskers75	sfan5: I made my piglow show PPS on wlan0 and eth0
08:03	* sfan5	records it and puts it up YouTube with the title "my kitten ate a flac file, now it is humming it"
08:03	sfan5	pps = packets per second?
08:04	whiskers75	yes
08:04	sfan5	I use monitorix for that
08:04	whiskers75	I use libpcap (the 'pcap' lib in node.js) plus a setInterval every second
08:04	whiskers75	if I go watch a video of cute kittens, the PPS spikes, and the piglow gets very lit up
08:05	whiskers75	blog post coming soon
08:05	whiskers75	also, soonâ„¢ coming soon
08:05	sfan5	meow :3
08:06	sfan5	whiskers75: https://mediacru.sh/dEld9PoY15w-
08:06	whiskers75	(soonâ„¢ = new node.js irc library)
08:07	whiskers75	sfan5: that from your pie?
08:07	sfan5	(18:55 - 23:31 was an internet outage, blame my ISP)
08:07	sfan5	yeah
08:07	whiskers75	there's no monitorix apt package?
08:07	sfan5	no
08:07	sfan5	I use archlinux
08:07	sfan5	I needed to do it from the AUR
08:08	sfan5	actually I dunno
08:08	sfan5	but there probably isn't one
08:08	sfan5	there is!
08:08	sfan5	whiskers75: http://www.monitorix.org/doc-debian.html
08:08	whiskers75	>raspberry pi
08:08	sfan5	hm right
08:08	whiskers75	>repo probably doesn't have arm packages in it
08:09	sfan5	>program uses perl
08:09	whiskers75	oh
08:09	whiskers75	lol
08:09	whiskers75	xD
08:11	whiskers75	pls pie
08:11	* sfan5	throws peis at whiskers75
08:11	sfan5	pies*
08:11	* whiskers75	noms
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08:11	sfan5	hm
08:11	sfan5	why is my system load so low?...
08:11	whiskers75	on a pie?
08:12	sfan5	yeah
08:12	whiskers75	ikr
08:12	whiskers75	meh, still isn't installing
08:12	whiskers75	brb
08:12	sfan5	whiskers75: https://mediacru.sh/8ZWlqtUbeep2
08:12	sfan5	left: before, right: after outage & after restarting the pie
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08:13	sfan5	hello OldCoder
08:13	PenguinDad	Hello everypony!
08:14	sfan5	hm
08:14	sfan5	the whole ram was occupied by cache before
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08:14	sfan5	I guess I can't complain that my avg. load is lower
08:15	sfan5	wow
08:15	sfan5	another kernel upgrade
08:15	sfan5	Packages (8): [...] linux-raspberrypi-3.12.20-2  [...]
08:16	OldCoder	sfan5, moin!
08:16	OldCoder	PenguinDad, everypony means brony someday I must watch the series
08:17	sfan5	127.0.0.1 - - [25/May/2014:02:17:16 -0600] "GET /scrape?info_hash=%3c%92%c7%14%22%d2%97h%c0%f5%c6k%cb%c2%fd%e3%7f%9140 HTTP/1.1" 404 142 "-" "Transmission/2.82" "-"
08:17	sfan5	transmission wat r u doin
08:17	sfan5	staph!
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08:18	sfan5	I think I should update the irc stats
08:19	Calinou	“windows” is still in the most used words, lol
08:19	Calinou	“minetest” and “There” are not nicks…
08:20	sfan5	(it's not yet updated)
08:20	sfan5	ok there we go
08:20	sfan5	*irc stats updated!*
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08:20	Krock	~whereis IRC stats
08:21	Calinou	in topic, Krock
08:21	Krock	topic?
08:21	sfan5	Krock: topic: [...] | IRC stats: hkrttp://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html
08:21	sfan5	s/hkrttp/http/
08:21	sfan5	do /topic
08:21	Krock	ooh I see :)
08:21	Krock	thx
08:22	sfan5	lololol
08:22	sfan5	MinetestBot spoke a total of 18514 words!
08:22	sfan5	MinetestBot's faithful follower, sokomine, didn't speak so much: 9992 words.
08:22	sfan5	#minetest-de
08:23	sfan5	the 2nd and third place of most used works are solely from MinetestBots commit announcement
08:23	sfan5	+s
08:23	Krock	lol Vanessa E spoke the most words
08:24	sfan5	3rd most used word: sfan5
08:24	sfan5	I don't even
08:25	sfan5	s/most used word/most referenced nick/
08:25	sfan5	I'm the most referenced nick
08:25	sfan5	because "minetest" and "There" do not count
08:25	Krock	"Poor Jordach, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 30 times."
08:25	Krock	hahah
08:25	sfan5	MinetestBot wasn't very popular, getting kicked 10 times!
08:26	sfan5	>MinetestBot is either insane or just a fair op, kicking a total of 36 people!
08:26	sfan5	I'd say MinetestBot is a fair kitten
08:26	sfan5	>The topic was set 2532 times.
08:29	PenguinDad	Welcome to sfan5's bot test channel
08:31	sfan5	>.>
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08:34	OldCoder	kitten minetest smitten
08:34	OldCoder	zzz
08:34	nman3600	hi
08:34	OldCoder	hi back
08:34	nman3600	my home so far: http://imgur.com/JKCv063
08:35	OldCoder	nman3600, i will sleep now but welcome
08:35	nman3600	k
08:35	* nman3600	strokes sfan5 to see if awake
08:35	* sfan5	tells nman3600 to look into the irc logs whether sfan5 is awake
08:36	* nman3600	hands sfan5 milk
08:36	* sfan5	noms the milk
08:36	* nman3600	hands sfan5 a bowl of milk
08:37	* sfan5	noms the bowl
08:37	nman3600	good cat
08:37	sfan5	kitten*
08:37	nman3600	good kitten*
08:39	VanessaE	Krock:  pfft, I know I'm a blabbermouth :P
08:39	* nman3600	hands sfan5 a ><(((('>
08:39	* sfan5	eats the ASCII characters
08:39	Krock	VanessaE, yeah you are. also a to-yourself-talking person :P
08:39	VanessaE	heh
08:39	nman3600	lol sfan5 it's a fishy
08:39	* whiskers75	meows
08:39	* sfan5	meows too
08:40	* nman3600	feeds whiskers75 and sfan5 a ><(((('>
08:40	* sfan5	eats the bytes
08:40	* whiskers75	converts the fish into a [object Object]
08:40	whiskers75	fish.tastiness = 9001; // over 9000!
08:40	nman3600	︻デ┳═ー i've got a gun
08:40	* whiskers75	eat(fish);
08:40	* sfan5	serializes the [object Object] and send it to nman3600
08:41	* whiskers75	eats nman3600's gun
08:41	nman3600	TABLE FLIP: (╯°□°）╯ ︵ ┻━┻
08:41	* Krock	noms 3600
08:41	nman3600	Krock you're a cat?
08:41	Krock	meow
08:41	whiskers75	meow!
08:42	Krock	rrrrrrr
08:42	sfan5	nman3600: that is not a gun; it's a japanese vertical quote, a 'de' katakana, a DOS frame character, a equal sign and a long -
08:42	sfan5	s/vertical quote/vertical opening quote/
08:42	* nman3600	feeds all the cats and kittens in this IRC chat a  ><(((('>
08:43	* Krock	doesn't have the japanese charset
08:43	* sfan5	throws japanese fonts at Krock
08:43	nman3600	lol
08:43	* Krock	catches
08:43	* sfan5	tells Krock to install them
08:43	* Krock	opens %windir%fonts\
08:43	nman3600	̿' ̿'\̵͇̿̿\з=(◕_◕)=ε/̵͇̿̿/'̿'̿ ̿
08:44	* sfan5	flips nman3600
08:44	* Krock	installs the fonts
08:44	nman3600	sfan5 you did it wrong you do this (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
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08:44	* Krock	tells sfan5: it doesn't work
08:44	nman3600	who lives here? __̴ı̴̴̡̡̡ ̡͌l̡̡̡ ̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|̡̡̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̡̡ ̡͌l̡̡̡̡.___
08:44	Krock	sfan5: it doesn't work
08:44	* sfan5	taps nman3600
08:45	* sfan5	throws bytes at Krock
08:45	* Krock	can't catch - to tiny
08:45	nman3600	༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ gimme
08:46	Krock	¤.¤
08:46	nman3600	i totally forgot about my house i'm building in singleplayer lol
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08:46	* whiskers75	meows
08:46	* Krock	gives whiskers75 ¤
08:47	whiskers75	pls2##minetest-kittens
08:47	* Krock	tells whiskers75 to use space bar
08:47	whiskers75	pls2 ##minetest-kittens
08:47	* Krock	thinks, the bot isn't there
08:47	whiskers75	^EOF is
08:47	Krock	nope.
08:48	* sfan5	flips Krock
08:48	nman3600	building my house is so boring but so not worth it D:
08:48	* Krock	flips to given hashtag
08:50	* sfan5	gives Krock a kitten
08:51	* nman3600	asks for a kitten
08:51	nman3600	can i have a kitten please
08:52	nman3600	sfan5 can i have a kitten
08:52	* sfan5	gives nman3600 a kitten
08:52	nman3600	:D
08:52	nman3600	i will name the kitten sfan6
08:54	* sfan5	purrs at nman3600
08:54	nman3600	sfan6 purrs at sfan5
08:55	* sfan5	meows at nman3600
08:55	* nman3600	barks at sfan5
08:55	* PenguinDad	pets stefan6
08:55	* sfan5	flips nman3600
08:55	* sfan5	purrs at PenguinDad
08:55	* nman3600	says sorry to sfan5
08:55	nman3600	sorry sfan5
08:56	sfan5	!c (128*2)+485-7
08:56	MinetestBot	734
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08:58	sfan5	o/ kaeza
08:58	whiskers75	Krock: pls
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09:04	kaeza	\o sfan5
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09:12	kaeza	lol https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&amp;t=9338
09:13	jin_xi	>_>
09:13	Krock	^^
09:13	kaeza	<_<
09:14	PenguinDad	<_>
09:14	Krock	>.<
09:14	Krock	Õ.Õ
09:14	* sfan5	meows
09:15	PenguinDad	Ü_Ü
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09:15	kaeza	ಠ⌣à²
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09:25	Krock	still laughing about this one: http://xkcd.com/1296/
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09:51	nman3600	who here has plug.dj?
09:52	nman3600	does anyone have plug.dj?
09:57	nman3600	@all if you have plug.dj and you want to join a room with me join this one: http://plug.dj/your-choice-of-music/
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10:05	nman3600	hi
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10:06	nman3600	hi BlockMen
10:07	BlockMen	hello
10:07	nman3600	BlockMen do you know plug,dj?
10:08	nman3600	*.dj
10:09	BlockMen	no
10:10	nman3600	it's a cool website where you can play any song
10:10	nman3600	i'm in this room i made it myself http://plug.dj/your-choice-of-music/
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10:42	* CraigyDavi	wants to use minetestmapper cpp on windows
10:43	Krock	^
10:44	PenguinDad	s/minetestmapper cpp/minetestmapper/
10:45	* Krock	is writing his MT compiler script
10:45	* PenguinDad	already has one
10:45		arsdragonfly1 joined #minetest
10:45	* Krock	is doing with C#
10:46	PenguinDad	we should use bam as build system for minetest
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10:56	w_laenger	http://paste.ubuntu.com/7514748/
10:56	w_laenger	https://vimeo.com/96398931
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11:17	sfan5	PenguinDad: what is 'bam'?
11:18	PenguinDad	sfan5: http://matricks.github.io/bam/
11:29	Jordach	>Bam is a fast and flexible build system. Bam uses Lua to describe the build process.
11:29	Jordach	>LUA
11:29	Jordach	:O
11:31	PenguinDad	> Missing features
11:31	PenguinDad	> Good documentation
11:31	PenguinDad	:/
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11:34	nman3600	hia
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11:34	nman3600	hey bronies and pegasistas and people who hate my little pony
11:37	* sfan5	flips nman3600
11:37	nman3600	what was dat for kitty
11:38	sfan5	http://i.imgur.com/n8ZHPhK.png
11:39	nman3600	lol
11:40	SylvieLorxu	nman3600: Hi?
11:40	SylvieLorxu	Weird intro is weird :P
11:40	nman3600	sorry i am a huge my little pony fan
11:41	SylvieLorxu	It's not a bad series
11:41	SylvieLorxu	sfan5: Haha, nice
11:41	Krock	Spongebob is better
11:41	* sfan5	meows
11:42	nman3600	spongebob is not better!
11:42	PenguinDad	> What did Rainbow Dash after he went to the moon?
11:42	PenguinDad	^ Krock
11:42	nman3600	yeah Krock i saw that post in off topic what happened
11:43	nman3600	oh wait it's SONIC RAINBOOM TIME
11:43	Krock	Idk what happened after
11:43	nman3600	rainbow dash is the bst
11:43	Krock	pilzadam didn't tell the end
11:43	nman3600	*best
11:43	nman3600	what is everyone doing i'm making a texture for a node
11:47	* nman3600	hands sfan5 milk
11:47	* sfan5	noms it
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11:53	PenguinDad	what's the difference between moveto() and setpos() ?
11:54	nman3600	finally that texture is done
11:55	nman3600	Penguindad one of them moves alot smoother i think it is moveto()
11:55	nman3600	i think
12:00	* sfan5	meows at nman3600
12:00	* nman3600	strokes sfan5
12:00	* sfan5	purrs
12:00	* nman3600	turns on his wii u
12:00	Jordach	D:
12:01	nman3600	D: what?
12:01	* sfan5	turns on his Wii running linux
12:01	nman3600	Jordach: what's so bad about Wii U's
12:01	nman3600	you can watch utube on your tv!
12:01	nman3600	but then you can with everything
12:02	sfan5	lol noob
12:02	sfan5	I can watch youtube on my tv without any extra devices
12:02	* nman3600	stares into sfan5's eyes
12:02	nman3600	bad kitten
12:02	* sfan5	flips nman3600
12:03	PenguinDad	If you turn on your PS4 you start a bsd machine
12:03	nman3600	PS4's are also awesome
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12:31	* Krock	tries to compile a minimal MT
12:31	* Krock	is successful so far
12:32	Jordach	wtf is this
12:32	Jordach	https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/255
12:32	Krock	lol
12:33	Krock	he tried to merge his fork with the origin
12:35	Jordach	even i do better
12:35	Jordach	and i'm clinically retarded
12:36	* Krock	noms some fake-haribo
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12:41	* PenguinDad	etalocohc emos smon
12:41	* Krock	(: oot etalocohc sekil
12:42	* Krock	(: kds d3tcerid dezilaminim a dnuof
12:43	* Krock	Yppah Si
12:44	* Krock	Rettel Tsrif Eht No Spac Esu Dluohs DaDniugnep ,Skniht
12:44	* sfan5	purrs at Krock
12:45	* Krock	Kcab Srrup
12:45	Krock	or how about a mirror? ?rorrim a tuoba woh ro
12:46	* PenguinDad	MiF :PLM sehctaw won
12:46	* Krock	5! MiF Tahw 5r3dn0w
12:47	* Krock	7331 35r3v3r 53k!1
12:48	Krock	gives almost headache :D
12:48	PenguinDad	cigaM si pihsdneirF :ynoP elttiL yM :kcorK
12:49	Krock	ooh
12:49	Krock	ok
12:51	* sfan5	meows :3
12:54	Krock	roar
12:55	* PenguinDad	pets sfan5
13:06	* sfan5	meows at PenguinDad
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13:26	sfan5	yay
13:26	sfan5	I just got Direct3D 9 support for my windows builds working
13:26	sfan5	(only 64 bit, for now)
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13:40	Krock	sfan5, what to do when MT tries to access to Irrlicht *.h files in the own /src/ folder?
13:44	Krock	sfan5, \minetest-master\src\irrlichttypes.h(23): fatal error C1083: Datei (Include) kann nicht geöffnet werden: "irrTypes.h": No such file or directory [E:\Programme\MT_compiler\src\minetest.vcxproj]
13:44	Jordach	sfan5, WAIT WHAT
13:44	Jordach	MinGW with D3D?!
13:44	Krock	Jordach, why not? lol
13:47	Exio4	Krock: when MT tries to do that, what you do is: 1) Install Irrlicht, 2) Nothing
13:47	Krock	Exio4, has been solved - forgot to write
13:47	Exio4	kwth
13:48	Krock	i wrote "incude" instead of "include"
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13:56	Krock	wow, already compiled 20 minetest files without a single error :D
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14:06	PenguinDad	Krock: you switched to linux?
14:06	Krock	PenguinDad, never.
14:06	Krock	good old winXp
14:11	CraigyDavi	Gotta love mapgen v7: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/DB_yr2kvpBmT.png
14:12	Krock	http://games.usvsth3m.com/whats-your-mental-age/
14:12	Krock	I'm 88 there
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14:14	Krock	"We reckon your mental age is 88 years old You're like Tony Benn in 2013"
14:14	CraigyDavi	"We reckon your mental age is
14:14	CraigyDavi	4 years old
14:14	CraigyDavi	You're like Drew Barrymore in ET."
14:15	CraigyDavi	I'm 4 years old haha
14:15	Krock	haha
14:16	CraigyDavi	lel
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14:16	rubenwardy	Hi all!
14:17	Krock	http://games.usvsth3m.com/which-city/ 55% Prague
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14:18	CraigyDavi	hi rubenwardy
14:18	Krock	hi rubenwardy
14:18	rubenwardy	Jordach: You know I was joking, right? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&amp;t=9338#p142724
14:18	Jordach	nope.avi
14:19	rubenwardy	I have 2100 post
14:19	Krock	http://i.imgur.com/Eb6GXPK.jpg?1
14:20	CraigyDavi	93% London
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14:20	sfan5	Jordach: yes
14:20	sfan5	Jordach: it gives me 10 fps more (on my mothers laptop)
14:20	Krock	CraigyDavi, perfect, where you are :P Britain.
14:21	Krock	http://i.imgur.com/uQFNybA.jpg
14:21	* sfan5	meows at Jordach :3
14:21	CraigyDavi	Yeah but I'm not close to london, really
14:21	Jordach	>77% London
14:21	Jordach	>You love people, big cities and are as happy as a big red bus
14:21	Jordach	BULLSHIT am i fucking happy
14:22	rubenwardy	Lol
14:22	rubenwardy	It is raining D:
14:22	CraigyDavi	http://games.usvsth3m.com/which-8-bit-computer-are-you/
14:23	rubenwardy	As it always is in England
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14:23	rubenwardy	(Except when it is not)
14:23	CraigyDavi	You'll be pleased to know you are a
14:23	CraigyDavi	Commodore SX-64
14:24	* BlockMen	reminds sfan5 this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=126194#p126194 :P
14:24	CraigyDavi	It's really sunny here, not raining
14:24	CraigyDavi	And I'm in England
14:24	rubenwardy	anunakki: you need to add a delay to your client when joining channels. You joined #minetest before your cloak was applied, so I can see your host in the chat log ( anunakki (~anunakki__________) )
14:24	sfan5	BlockMen: microsoft is forcing opengl to be slower on windows
14:24	PenguinDad	54% Amsterdam
14:24	sfan5	see https://web.archive.org/web/20131007124725/http://www.grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#OpenGL
14:24	rubenwardy	CraigyDavi: I am in the South West, and it is raining a lot
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14:25	BlockMen	sfan5, i really doubt that. when using dedicated gpu i have more fps with opengl, not directx
14:25	BlockMen	you shouldnt believe everything you read on internet :P
14:25	sfan5	BlockMen: microsoft leaves opengl support up to the graphic driver providers, it may vary
14:25	sfan5	they have references
14:26	CraigyDavi	Ah not so good, I'm in the south. Very warm weather.
14:26	BlockMen	then blame the graphic driver providers?
14:27	sfan5	no, blame M$
14:27	* BlockMen	gets tired of the MS blaming
14:27	Krock	^
14:27	sfan5	no really
14:27	sfan5	M$ is bad
14:27	sfan5	very bad
14:27	BlockMen	yeah, they try to rule the world
14:27	BlockMen	in any aspect
14:28	BlockMen	they did 9/11...
14:28	sfan5	you are better than many windows users
14:28	sfan5	you atleast see what they do
14:28	Krock	we need a pro/contra M$ statistic :)
14:28	* BlockMen	slaps sfan5 with Win7
14:29	sfan5	BlockMen: aside from what M$ does wrong on a daily basis, Windows 7 was ok
14:29	sfan5	Krock: read https://web.archive.org/web/20131007124725/http://www.grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history everything said..
14:29	Krock	sfan5,already readed that
14:29	sfan5	completly?
14:30	Krock	1/-
14:30	Krock	+/-
14:30	sfan5	???
14:30	BlockMen	!c sfan5 < MS
14:30	MinetestBot	NameError: name 'sfan5' is not defined
14:30	sfan5	!c "sfan5" < "MS"
14:30	MinetestBot	False
14:30	* BlockMen	doesnt trust MinetestBot
14:31	Krock	but there are soo much articles/texts against or with M$
14:31	* MinetestBot	meows at BlockMen
14:31	* BlockMen	slaps MinetestBot with MSVC
14:31	* Krock	slaps MinetestBot with C#
14:31	* MinetestBot	slaps BlockMen with GNU
14:32	* MinetestBot	slaps Krock with Java
14:32	* Krock	slaps MinetestBot with http://i.imgur.com/F1T64yX.jpg
14:32	Krock	misleading graph
14:32	sfan5	that graph is wrong on so many things
14:33	BlockMen	bots cant slap
14:33	Krock	^
14:33	sfan5	MinetestBot can
14:33	sfan5	she's a bot and a kitten
14:33	sfan5	and kittens can slap
14:35	BlockMen	robo-kittens cant
14:35	* BlockMen	is afk
14:35	* sfan5	meows :3
14:36	JackGruff	does minetest lack mobs/entities as good as MC's because the core engine doesn't support them well or mods haven't leverage it yet?
14:37	Krock	mobs quality depend their programmers
14:38	JackGruff	well, i have only heard rumors so i dont know
14:38	JackGruff	it's the on thing i miss over MC
14:38	JackGruff	one*
14:39	JackGruff	mt doesn't over much for someone who prefers a living/breathing world over building
14:39	JackGruff	(still likes building but not as important)
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14:41	Krock	http://i.imgur.com/Kw1kFx2.gif ..touch the nose with my tongue
14:42	JackGruff	what the hell is that thing
14:42	Krock	no idea
14:43	rubenwardy	Weird dalek.
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15:12	Jordach	Krock, you can see the lights falling off
15:12	Jordach	(last two frames)
15:16	Krock	aha
15:16	* sfan5	meows at Krock
15:18	* Jordach	sighs
15:18	Jordach	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=142746#p142746
15:19	sfan5	Jordach, helping people since <I have no clue>
15:20	Jordach	<- rage
15:20	* sfan5	meows at Jordach
15:20	* rubenwardy	flips Jordach
15:20	* Jordach	flips the channel table
15:21	Jordach	onto rubenwardy*
15:22	* sfan5	meows at Jordach
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15:24	SoniEx2	why does minetest support table.getn?
15:27	Krock	would be cool if I could upgrade my drivers....
15:27	PenguinDad	SoniEx2: why not?
15:30	SoniEx2	PenguinDad, it's bad and it does the same as the # operator (OP_LEN) in 3 steps (OP_GETGLOBAL "table", OP_GETTABLE "getn", OP_CALL)
15:31	Krock	^
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15:32	BlockMen	s/IRC/internet
15:33	sfan5	WHAT THE FUCK VLC??
15:35	OldCoder	VLC gee?
15:36	PenguinDad	SoniEx2: every build with LuaJIT supports it
15:37	SoniEx2	LuaJIT supports #
15:37	PenguinDad	LuaJIT supports table.getn()
15:38	SoniEx2	# is faster
15:38	SoniEx2	and table.getn is deprecated
15:40	PenguinDad	so where is the problem that LuaJIT supports both?
15:42	SoniEx2	the problem is stupid mods using table.getn
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15:43	PenguinDad	which mod does that?
15:43	SoniEx2	not gonna sa
15:43	SoniEx2	say*
15:44	SoniEx2	it should be removed anyway
15:44	SoniEx2	yes it's gonna break things
15:44	SoniEx2	but sometimes breaking things is a good thing
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15:45	SoniEx2	http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#7.2
15:45	Exio4	http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/cnr.png
15:54	Megaf	Hi all
15:54	Megaf	Ho Krock
15:54	Megaf	Hallo Krock
15:54	Krock	hi
15:55	Megaf	Krock; can you help me with this please? http://paste.debian.net/101637/
15:55	Krock	Megaf, base64 broken?
15:56	Megaf	I don't know
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16:19	Krock	compiling now for 1 hour... 5th try at all :/
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16:27	asl	@Megaf try encoding it first, f.write(base64.b64decode(s["img"].encode("utf-8"))) or something, encoding turn the string into bytes
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16:48	Calinou	LibreOffice 4.3 allows for writing paragraphs of more than 65,535 characters
16:49	Krock	omg it's over unsigned int16è
16:50	PilzAdam	Calinou, this breaks my workflow
16:50	PilzAdam	I rely on paragraphs not being longer than 65535 chars
16:50	PilzAdam	they should revert that change
16:51	Calinou	my Minetest mods and Carbone moved to Gitorious, GitHub copy remains available but probably won't be updated
16:51	Calinou	post issues on forum topic
16:51	Calinou	it's not like there are too many of them :)
16:51	GhostDoge	why?
16:51	* Megaf	likes github
16:52	* Krock	isn't sure what to think about github
16:52	Calinou	it's proprietary
16:52	asl	i hope that at least a note about the move in the readme on the github copy
16:52	* Krock	basically doesn't like it, but there aren't better alternatives
16:52	asl	there*
16:52	Vazon	mhmm how to make the server whisper to someone :| minetest.chat_send_player doesnt seem to work
16:53	Krock	Vazon, try again. it works
16:53	Vazon	hrmp ok
16:54	Calinou	asl, will add
16:54	Calinou	Vazon, see builtin/chatcommands.lua
16:54	Calinou	there are lots of examples there :)
16:54	Krock	Calinou, you're outdated
16:54	asl	that way people who found a link on google to the outdated github copy would know where to find the gitorious copy
16:55	Krock	minetest\builtin\game\chatcommands.lua
16:55	Calinou	Krock, thanks
16:55	Vazon	ok, im trying to add to dropondie were it tells you where you died and not published to the server
16:55	Krock	np.
16:55	Calinou	in Carbone, deaths are public, coordinates included \o/
16:55	Calinou	punishment for dying :p
16:55	Calinou	(and bones are published after 10 minutes)
16:56	Krock	uuh how evil
16:56	Calinou	then avoid dying
16:56	BlockMen	we really need that random adbot
16:56	BlockMen	sfan5^
16:56	Calinou	adbot?
16:56	BlockMen	a bot that posts random forum topics here
16:56	Krock	we need more ad/spam blocker like shadowbot
16:56	Vazon	yes that is what im using as a reference Calin
16:57	Krock	john_minetest: <BlockMen>we really need that random adbot
16:57	Krock	yeah
16:58	Krock	does that exist in mC too?
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16:58	Krock	that's neat-ness and such things
16:59	sandman	What's the difference between the MinGW version and just the plain Zip version of minetest from the downloads page?
16:59	sandman	Is one faster or something?
16:59	Krock	yes
16:59	Krock	no
16:59	Krock	both
16:59	Krock	MSVC builds mostly work better than MinGW
16:59	Vazon	minetest.chat_send_player("[Hidden MSG]" You died at " .. minetest.pos_to_string(pos) .. ".") Krock this is what im putting, what am i missing??
16:59	Krock	Vazon, the player who should reveive the message
17:00	BlockMen	MSVC > MinGW
17:00	Krock	^
17:00	Vazon	mhmm
17:00	GhostDoge	!c 'MSVC' > 'MinGW'
17:00	MinetestBot	False
17:00	sandman	And why does it seem like none of the addons work
17:00	sandman	When installed from the Online mod repository
17:00	sfan5	<Krock> MSVC builds mostly work better than MinGW
17:00	sfan5	stop misleading people
17:00	sandman	This is windows of course
17:00	sfan5	or provide evidence
17:00	Krock	Vazon, minetest.chat_send_player(<player_name>, <msg>)
17:00	BlockMen	GhostDoge, MinetestBot is manipulated by sfan5
17:01	Calinou	<Krock> MSVC builds mostly work better than MinGW
17:01	* sfan5	purrs at BlockMen
17:01	Krock	sfan5, I just tell others what I've heard
17:01	Calinou	on modern hardware, you can easily afford MinGW's relative slowness
17:01	Krock	^
17:01	sfan5	sandman: the online mod repository is currently broken, most mods are still only on the forums
17:02	GhostDoge	MinGW builds are 20 percent cooler
17:02	Krock	but only on _modern_ hardware
17:03	sandman	Hrm. Alright
17:03	sandman	brb
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17:03	Krock	!c 'MinGW' == 'cooler'
17:03	MinetestBot	False
17:03	Krock	^
17:04	GhostDoge	!c "MinGW" > 'cooler'
17:04	MinetestBot	False
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17:04	Krock	xD
17:04	GhostDoge	!c "MinGW" > 'cool'
17:04	MinetestBot	False
17:05	GhostDoge	MinetestBot!
17:05	MinetestBot	GhostDoge!
17:05	BlockMen	ha ha
17:05	whiskers75	!helpc
17:05	whiskers75	!help c
17:05	MinetestBot	https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
17:05	Krock	!c 'MSVC' == 'MUCH BETTER'
17:05	MinetestBot	False
17:05	Krock	damn
17:05	sfan5	lolwait
17:05	sfan5	lolwat*
17:05	whiskers75	sfan5, want a keybase.io invite?
17:05	Krock	!c "MSVC" == "MUCH BETTER"
17:05	MinetestBot	...
17:05	Krock	...
17:05	GhostDoge	…
17:05	whiskers75	…
17:06	GhostDoge	···
17:06	sfan5	whiskers75: nah, http://blog.lrdesign.com/2014/03/thoughts-on-keybase-io/
17:06	Vazon	still cant get it, even if i change chat_send_all to chat_send_player it crashed
17:06	BlockMen	Krock, see...MinetestBot is manipultated^^
17:06	BlockMen	*-t
17:06	Krock	yeah, I see, BlockMen
17:07	Krock	●●●●
17:08	GhostDoge	MSVC is much more better because it's propertiary!!1!
17:09	Krock	/\/\ $ \/ (  is better cuz you fully can 1337-encode it
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17:10	nman3600	hello
17:10	nman3600	how do you register stairs?
17:10	sfan5	you use lua.
17:10	GhostDoge	"/\/\!|\|6\/\/" 1337-encoded
17:11	nman3600	send me a pastebin link on how to do it pls?
17:12	Krock	GhostDoge, it's upper/lowercase sensive!
17:12	BlockMen	nman3600, look in stairs mod in minetest_game
17:12	GhostDoge	Krock: on linux it is but not on windows :P
17:13	nman3600	i tried but it didn't work when i used it as a template BlockMen
17:14	Krock	sfan5, BlockMen, everything worked fine for 20 minutes http://pastebin.com/qbMFdTYc
17:15	nman3600	Nevermind LemonLake is helping me
17:15	nman3600	Thanks anyway
17:15	sfan5	Krock: link to openal32.lin
17:15	sfan5	lib*
17:15	Krock	ok, I'll try
17:16	sfan5	(that won't fix all errors but some of them)
17:16	Krock	sfan5, it's already linked: -DOPENAL_LIBRARY=E:\Programme\MT_compiler\openal-soft-1.15.1\build\Release\OpenAL32.lib
17:17	Krock	and that file exists
17:17	sfan5	well then it is linked wrongly
17:17	Krock	wrongly?
17:17	sfan5	dunno
17:17	sfan5	there are symbols missing
17:19	Krock	ICONV and GETTEXT weren't able to compile, so I "-DENABLE_GETTEXT=0" 'd it
17:19	BlockMen	Krock, codegeneration is multithreaded (/MT)?
17:19	Krock	BlockMen, not that I'd know of
17:20	BlockMen	then change it
17:20	Krock	just used "MSBuild 'sln/vcxproj-file' /p:Configuration=Release" to compile everything I was able to
17:21	Krock	other needed a cmake
17:21	Krock	and all those with *nmake* just fail horribly
17:23	BlockMen	try to add " /MT" after "...=Release"
17:24	Krock	BlockMen, for all libraries?
17:25	Krock	example error for gettext lib: http://pastebin.com/ENMgNMVd
17:25	Krock	fu
17:25	* Krock	rolls back 2 latest mesages
17:26	BlockMen	for all you compile yourself
17:26	sfan5	"MFLAGS"
17:26	sfan5	wut
17:26	BlockMen	but for gettext there is no need to
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17:28	ligeti	Hello
17:29	Krock	BlockMen, msbuild doesn't know "/MT" as argument
17:29	Krock	/parameter
17:30	ligeti	I installed minetest on Debian ... using the a package manager, says "version 0.3.1 + dfsg-4" and when I run apt-get install minetest it says that the latest version is already installed
17:30	ligeti	BUT... the website says that the latest version is 0.4.9
17:31	Krock	damn this, I'll never be able to compile that shit
17:31	Krock	ligeti, upgrade
17:31	ligeti	thanks... I will just download it manually and install
17:31	BlockMen	Krock, umm...
17:31	ligeti	thanks again
17:31	BlockMen	-mt maybe?
17:31	Megaf	[13:51:40] -*- Megaf likes github
17:31	Megaf	[13:52:28] <Calinou> it's proprietary
17:31	* BlockMen	uses always interface
17:32	* Megaf	dislike github
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17:33	rubenwardy	Hi all!
17:33	Megaf	Hi
17:35	Krock	BlockMen, I searched in the msbuild help - no "MT"-like parameter found
17:35	BlockMen	Krock, there has to be somewhere
17:36	Krock	BlockMen, there seems to be one at nmake
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17:40	Krock	ok, again 4 hours of time wasted in trying this
17:40	Krock	Interesting how I'm still optimistic
17:40	* BlockMen	still wonders why not using cmake?
17:41	* Krock	wonders why there's just a makefile and no cmakelists.txt
17:41	* Krock	wonders how to get a *.lib out of that all
17:42	Calinou	you generally don't have to compile CMake
17:42	Calinou	CMake has good output by default
17:43	BlockMen	Krock, most libs needed for building MT have included a msvc project file
17:43	Krock	BlockMen, MT_compiler\gettext-0.13.1\Makefile.msvc
17:43	BlockMen	or you get them already compiled (like gettext)
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17:43	Krock	already compiled?
17:43	Krock	uh
17:43	BlockMen	search for gnuwin32
17:43	BlockMen	or something like that
17:44	BlockMen	or just for gettext windows
17:47	Krock	thanks, found it
17:48	ligeti	question (that may sound stupid): if I installed 4.9 I don't need minetest-common-0.3.1 right? (I mean there is no dependency)
17:48	Krock	remove old version, yes
17:48	ligeti	I did
17:48	Krock	except you have nostalgy
17:49	ligeti	!!!
17:50	jordan4ibanez	I finally learnt how to do chunks. AWW YEAH http://youtu.be/2TlAsp5M2SY
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17:54	ligeti	OK thanks guys... I successfully installed it (with mods) and it is running smooth and clean
17:54	ligeti	thanks again
17:54	rubenwardy	Why is the loading slow? How is it stored?
17:54	rubenwardy	Oh, it's Lua :P
17:56	BlockMen	lol https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=142757#p142757
17:56	jordan4ibanez	Because it's loading up all chunks which are individual blocks which have physics, so at some points it's trying to do almost 2500 collision fixtures at once which is amazing that it even runs
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17:58	LemonLake	Can someone tell me what fgettext does in Lua?
17:58	LemonLake	Can't find any definition for it anyway.
17:58	LemonLake	Anywhere*
18:00	rubenwardy	Localisation? Not sure
18:00	rubenwardy	Link to example?
18:01	LemonLake	81 uses of it in mainmenu.lua
18:01	LemonLake	"button[5,5.5;2.6,0.5;world_create_confirm;" .. fgettext("Create") .. "]"
18:01	Calinou	localization indeed
18:01	Calinou	the game will search for translations in .po form
18:01	LemonLake	Oh, fancy.
18:01	Calinou	to translate the string “Create”
18:01	Calinou	you shouldn't use it by yourself
18:02	Calinou	instead, use an external localisation library like intllib by kaeza
18:02	LemonLake	Well, this: http://pastebin.com/tX19Ec1w causes the game to crash.
18:02	Calinou	(everything is server-side, keep that in mind, so you may only choose one language for a specific instance of the game, which will impact all players)
18:02	LemonLake	Yes, I'm aware
18:02	Calinou	which error message do you get?
18:02	LemonLake	I just thought it may be a solution to my problem
18:02	LemonLake	Nothing, just crash.
18:03	Calinou	I don't really see the use for separate variable just for the formspec
18:03	Calinou	but the console should almost always output an error message
18:04	LemonLake	No, it instantly just hangs.
18:04	LemonLake	I get errorless crashes a lot.
18:05	LemonLake	The use of a separate variable will come into play later.
18:07	Krock	BlockMen: -DICONV_LIBRARY or -DLIBICONV_LIBRARY or none?
18:10	BlockMen	Krock, umm..is there ICONV_DLL?
18:11	Krock	BlockMen, hmm
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18:11	Calinou	LemonLake, it crashes when opening formspec, or when you start server?
18:12	LemonLake	It seems delayed so my guess is when opening the formspec.
18:12	BlockMen	Krock for minetest you need libintl3.dll, libiconv2.dll,libintl.lia,msgfmt.exe
18:13	BlockMen	so maybe try the second
18:14	Krock	libiconv.lib, msgfmt.exe found..
18:14	Krock	ok, getting an other package from there
18:15	Krock	BlockMen, do you know the parameters for cmake? how are they called?
18:17	BlockMen	Krock, http://i.imgur.com/PpL8mX7.png
18:17	Krock	thx
18:17	Krock	ah I see you got the whole package
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18:19	LemonLake	Any ideas?
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18:31	nman3600	he everybrony, pegasista and non mlp fans
18:31	LemonLake	um
18:31	LemonLake	wut
18:31	nman3600	wut wut
18:31	* nman3600	strokes sfan5
18:31	LemonLake	I was about to ask you but you don't know anything about formspecs.
18:31	* Calinou	puts nman3600 on Rainbow Dash
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18:31	LemonLake	I'm the one who teaches you, not the other way round >.<
18:31	nman3600	LOL
18:31	* sfan5	is currently busy: getting confused by VAAPI
18:31	nman3600	WEE RAINBOW DASH
18:32	LemonLake	Yeah, Calinou, I've tried everything I can think of.
18:32	sfan5	!rainbow -
18:32	MinetestBot	4-
18:32	nman3600	!rainbow RAINBOW DASH
18:32	MinetestBot	4R4A4I7N7B7O8W8 8D3A3S3H
18:32	nman3600	!seen rainbowdash
18:32	MinetestBot	nman3600: Sorry, I haven't seen rainbowdash around.
18:32	Krock	!rainbow NYAN DASH
18:32	MinetestBot	4N4Y4A7N7 7D8A8S8H
18:32	LemonLake	!seen tirek
18:32	MinetestBot	LemonLake: Sorry, I haven't seen tirek around.
18:32	LemonLake	thank the lord
18:32	LemonLake	thank celestia
18:32	Calinou	^
18:32	nman3600	thanks cel
18:32	Calinou	thanks cal*
18:32	* Calinou	runs
18:32	Calinou	Calestia :p
18:33	nman3600	lol
18:33	LemonLake	mauhahaha
18:33	nman3600	!seen deadmau5
18:33	MinetestBot	nman3600: Sorry, I haven't seen deadmau5 around.
18:33	LemonLake	Actually, Cal
18:33	nman3600	!seen Cal
18:33	MinetestBot	nman3600: Sorry, I haven't seen cal around.
18:33	LemonLake	Reckon the problem was that the argument takes a player name, not a player?
18:33	LemonLake	It's always the stupidest things.
18:34	nman3600	lol
18:34	LemonLake	Holy crap, that WAS the issue
18:34	blaise	I like chicken
18:34	blaise	I like liver
18:34	nman3600	!seen the issue?
18:34	MinetestBot	nman3600: Sorry, I haven't seen the around.
18:34	LemonLake	Meh, they're alright.
18:35	blaise	Meow Mix  Meow Mix Please Deliver!
18:35	Krock	I like pancakes
18:35	nman3600	i like butter
18:35	Krock	I like "successful completed" messages
18:35	LemonLake	http://imgur.com/1zsknzt So, they don't center? That's dumb.
18:36	blaise	[2014-05-25 18:32:48] accepted: 384/384 (100.00%), 16.52 thash/s (yay!!!)
18:36	blaise	I like those messages
18:37	* nman3600	asks for a menu of messages
18:37	LemonLake	Been a while since I've seen one of those.
18:37	LemonLake	You just reminded me to check my dogecoin wallet, thanks.
18:37	PenguinDad	blaise: SHA256 or scrypt?
18:37	blaise	:)
18:37	blaise	scrypt
18:38	PenguinDad	how the heck are you mining o_O
18:38	LemonLake	Dafuq, where'd the original dogecoin wallet go
18:38	nman3600	i wish i was able to host a server
18:38	blaise	PenguinDad: what do you mean?
18:39	LemonLake	PenguinDad: Just get a miner?
18:39	blaise	lol
18:39	PenguinDad	> 16.52 thash/s
18:39	nman3600	we should do like a minetest UHC
18:39	blaise	it's a secret.. ;)
18:39	Krock	16.55 trash/s
18:39	blaise	it's not btc or doge
18:39	nman3600	cuz i'd love to do a UHC
18:40	LemonLake	Litecoin?
18:40	blaise	drk
18:40	LemonLake	nman3600: We'd need a good API first. lol
18:40	nman3600	then let's start coding
18:40	Calinou	nman3600's API: Applejack Pony Interface
18:40	LemonLake	Blaise: Oh neat. I used to mine in doge because the conversion rates were sky high.
18:41	nman3600	i really want to play UHC on minetest it'll be fun
18:41	LemonLake	But I was always working while mining so I probably got about $2 every few days
18:41	blaise	yeah, darkcoin seems to be doing really well atm, and the difficulty is nothing..
18:41	LemonLake	I'll have to see if I can get cgminer working on this machine, then.
18:41	blaise	also, you don't have to worry about differences in cpu/gpu/fpga/asic miners
18:41	Calinou	dogecoin is unlimited, unlike other coins, it seems
18:41	Calinou	the least serious money has the most sensible practice
18:41	LemonLake	That's because it has a reddit community.
18:42	LemonLake	They supported it.
18:42	LemonLake	Then they helped some jamaican sporting team and then they became official.
18:42	blaise	lol
18:42	Krock	o.o
18:42	Krock	http://imgur.com/gallery/BYHxCjx
18:42	LemonLake	Seen.
18:42	LemonLake	Beat ya there, Krock, on imgur daily :P
18:43	LemonLake	Do you post, Krock?
18:43	Krock	never, all god comments are already there
18:43	Krock	*good
18:43	LemonLake	I mean post images.
18:43	blaise	same thing
18:43	LemonLake	Dang.
18:43	nman3600	dude that is crazy Krorck
18:43	nman3600	*Krock
18:44	Krock	http://imgur.com/gallery/PG1Wo2L
18:44	LemonLake	Do I SERIOUSLY have to hardcode this vertical label?
18:44	LemonLake	Krock, I'm sure we could scroll through the gallery if we wanted to :P
18:46	nman3600	Krock travel nets are too hard to craft they need to be a bit easier D:
18:46	Krock	nevaar
18:46	blaise	had you ugys even heard of darkcoin?
18:46	LemonLake	I've heard of most of them. Why?
18:46	Krock	again some coins?
18:46	LemonLake	Hey Niall, like that hard tune?
18:46	nman3600	yes
18:46	LemonLake	I was listening to it for hours yesterday
18:47	Krock	HAHA
18:47	Krock	http://i.imgur.com/knZjjz5.gif
18:48	LemonLake	Ah, the day when the humanoid lamps invaded...
18:48	BlockMen	PIXAR
18:48	nman3600	PIXAR IS REAL
18:48	LemonLake	no...
18:48	LemonLake	not pixar...
18:48	LemonLake	that's the dark times...
18:48	LemonLake	Does anyone have the pixel dimensions of a formspec 'inventory unit'?
18:49	Krock	it's dynamic
18:49	BlockMen	formspecs are scaled (in a weird way)
18:49	LemonLake	Not if you do size[x,y;true]
18:49	Krock	this is very cool,too: http://imgur.com/gallery/ib7O7VW
18:51	LemonLake	Actually, how does the main menu keep them static?
18:51	LemonLake	All I see is size true
18:54	LemonLake	Nevermind. So, do you guys have the dimensions or not?
18:54	Calinou	Krock, “What did Rainbow Dash after he went to the moon?” → he O_o
18:55	LemonLake	Since when was Rainbow Dash sent to the moon ó.ó
18:57	Krock	Calinou, cuz of the empty topic.
18:58	* Krock	gives BlockMen http://pastebin.com/dpPBFkJn
18:58	LemonLake	Congratulations. You have a crapload of linker errors. How do you feel?
18:59	Krock	it needed 26 minutes to generate 39 errors and 19 warnings
18:59	LemonLake	Did you put in OpenAL correctly?
18:59	Krock	could be faster at lease
18:59	Krock	LemonLake, yes. I did
18:59	LemonLake	And yes, it takes an insane amount of time to compile. Welcome to MSVC.
18:59	Calinou	MSVC is said to compile much faster than MinGW
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18:59	LemonLake	Nope.
19:00	Krock	proof? -^
19:00	LemonLake	MinGW isn't that much faster, though.
19:00	LemonLake	MSVC is made my Microsoft, 'nuff said.
19:00	LemonLake	They don't optimize jack sh*t
19:00	BlockMen	it take for me ~5-8min to compile minetest with MSVC
19:00	LemonLake	Either way, Krock, it's an OpenAL linker error.
19:00	Krock	#singlecore
19:00	BlockMen	Krock, you have codegeneration /MT now?
19:01	BlockMen	if not find a way to change that
19:01	Krock	BlockMen, there was no /MT or something like that
19:02	BlockMen	^ do you use the IDE?
19:02	BlockMen	of MSVC
19:03	BlockMen	i mean the UI
19:03	LemonLake	IDE is actually correct ;)
19:03	Krock	BlockMen, which UI? just the msbuild command line
19:04	Krock	s/line/
19:05	LemonLake	nman3600: I have the most epic song coming up next.
19:05	nman3600	:O
19:05	nman3600	cant wait
19:05	LemonLake	It's not the usual though, you gotta know that.
19:08	BlockMen	Krock, edit your minetest.vcxproj file
19:08	BlockMen	search for "
19:08	BlockMen	<ItemDefinitionGroup Condition="'$(Configuration)|$(Platform)'=='Release|Win32'">
19:08	BlockMen	<ClCompile>"
19:08	BlockMen	and add/change this "<RuntimeLibrary>MultiThreaded</RuntimeLibrary>"
19:09	LemonLake	http://imgur.com/GCVDyd5 Possible to move the position of an image_button label?
19:09	LemonLake	That looks a little strange.
19:09	LemonLake	nman3600: This is a long song.
19:09	Krock	BlockMen, found the line.       <RuntimeLibrary>MultiThreaded</RuntimeLibrary>
19:10	BlockMen	so it is already defined multithreaded?
19:10	Krock	it already was there - so yes
19:10	BlockMen	hmm...
19:10	Krock	I recimpiled OpenAl32
19:10	Krock	In hope to fix it
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19:11	BlockMen	Krock, try to compile without sound
19:11	BlockMen	then try to fix :P
19:12	Krock	without?? omg
19:12	LemonLake	Krock, why are you compiling anyway?
19:12	LemonLake	Just out of interest.
19:12	Krock	MT without sound is like..ehm
19:12	Krock	LemonLake, to get my damn own version whenever I want
19:12	LemonLake	I lived without sound for a few months. Didn't know there was sound until I updated; I had some messed up version.
19:12	LemonLake	I see.
19:14	Vazon	i play with out sound, its not that bad
19:14	LemonLake	^
19:14	nman3600	i need to shut my computer and let it cool down for a while LemonLake do you mind?
19:14	LemonLake	Aww, but I got sick tracks coming up.
19:14	LemonLake	Well okay, come in here if you want.
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19:20	LemonLake	Consequence on formspec close? I.e kick place
19:21	LemonLake	player*?
19:28	LemonLake	Nevermind. {["quit"] = "true"}, that's one for the wiki!
19:37	Jordach	PilzAdam, is there a way to detect a specific mapgen?
19:37	PilzAdam	Jordach, you get the info in register_on_mapgen_init()
19:37	Jordach	better :D
19:38	LemonLake	PilzAdam, do you run the dev wiki?
19:38	PilzAdam	define "run"
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19:38	LemonLake	Moderate it at least.
19:38	PilzAdam	yes
19:39	LemonLake	Just wondering. I've made a few valuable contributions today :D
19:39	LemonLake	Gonna run through and see if I can work on some more pages.
19:39	PilzAdam	ok, Ill ban you
19:39	LemonLake	Cool, sounds good :P
19:39	PilzAdam	no valuable contributions allowed!
19:39	PilzAdam	:-p
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19:43	nman3600	hi i'm back
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19:57	Jordach	PilzAdam, is there a sort of custom stone for a biome in MGV7
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20:02	icecream	hmmm
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20:11	VanessaE	good afternoon..
20:11	LemonLake	Hey!
20:12	PenguinDad	Good night VanessaE
20:12	VanessaE	heh
20:16	nman3600	i'm gonna go by all
20:17	LemonLake	Peace.
20:19	VanessaE	I show up and everyone disappears :P
20:21	LemonLake	Just busy :P
20:23	VanessaE	there, see?
20:23	VanessaE	:P
20:23	LemonLake	Oh, haha
20:24	LemonLake	Sometimes I just want to add so many features to the Lua API, then I realise that I've never managed to compile the game properly...
20:25	BlockMen	gd night
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20:29	Jordach	TIL ctrl + esc = Start Screen
20:30	LemonLake	Indeed
20:30	LemonLake	But then so is the key right next to it.
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20:35	LemonLake	Hey asie
20:35	asie	hi
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20:41	LemonLake	Best way to keep a player in 'god mode' for a certain period of time?
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20:49	Jordach	LemonLake, creative can't be given to players on demand
20:50	Jordach	it has to be enabled before the server starts
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20:51	sandman	Are fire, wool and vessels mods part of minetest proper, now?
20:51	sandman	Like is a mod depends on them, I don't have to install anything?
20:51	sandman	if*
20:52	ligeti	sorry guys (another noob question) but how to enable fly privilege? (single player
20:52	ShadowNinja	sandman: Yep, and they have been for years.
20:53	ShadowNinja	sandman: They're part of minetest_game at least, which is a base for most games.
20:54	ShadowNinja	ligeti: /grant singleplayer fly (or all)  and press K.
20:54	ligeti	thanks...
20:54	ShadowNinja	(or whatever you configured your fly key as)
20:55	ligeti	I have to say this is the most useful IRC channel I've seen so far... I start to like this community :P
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20:58	ShadowNinja	:-)
21:00	ShadowNinja	Some just take a while.  Some people only wait a few minutes for a response and then leave.
21:04	VanessaE	"You'll get used to it, or you'll have a psychotic episode."
21:04	VanessaE	;)
21:04	ligeti	o.0
21:05	VanessaE	kidding :)
21:06	sandman	Is there any point to running simple mobs and animals_modpack at the same time?
21:06	bas080	I was trying to add the minetest repository to my /etc/apt/sources.list. What should I be adding and what do the different words mean?
21:06	bas080	I tried this btw,
21:06	bas080	deb http://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/minetest wheezy main
21:07	ligeti	bas080,
21:07	ligeti	no
21:07	ligeti	just a sec
21:07	ligeti	add this one: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sid main
21:07	ligeti	worked for me
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21:07	CaptainSparklez	Guys
21:07	ligeti	I am on Kali though (Debian based)
21:07	CaptainSparklez	Anyone on the landrush server
21:08	bas080	ligeti, that looks good
21:08	CaptainSparklez	anyone???
21:08	ligeti	cool
21:08	bas080	so "sid" stands for what exactly?
21:08	CaptainSparklez	Asl
21:09	CaptainSparklez	IS ANYONE ON THE LANDRUSH SERVER?????
21:09	asl	go to ##landrush
21:09	CaptainSparklez	kk
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21:09	asl	we will talk about it on that channel
21:09	asl	me and my slow typing :/
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21:11	nman3600	hi
21:11	sandman	Is there a mod that allows weapons + a destroyable environment of sorts?
21:11	sandman	Struck me that might be a lot of fun. Randomized area to fight on... trenches, etc
21:12	nman3600	does anyone know how to make a node that's really flat
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21:14	VanessaE	bas080: sid as in...?
21:14	VanessaE	OH as in debian?
21:14	ligeti	Sid is a debian.... thingy (unstable)
21:14	VanessaE	Sid, the toy story character.
21:14	ligeti	lol
21:14	bas080	ligeti said "add this one: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sid main"
21:14	bas080	unstable k
21:14	ligeti	did it work/
21:15	VanessaE	http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111206194320/pixar/images/6/60/Sid_toy_story.jpg
21:15	VanessaE	THAT is Sid.
21:15	nman3600	ok no answers then
21:15	ligeti	if not apt-get update
21:15	VanessaE	(Woody is the doll he's holding)
21:15	bas080	ligeti, it worked great!
21:15	VanessaE	and it's so named because, like the character in the movie, Sid is considered unstable indeed.
21:15	ligeti	VanessaE, yes and that is the reason they call it Sid (everything he touches breaks)
21:16	bas080	VanessaE, that's news to me
21:16	VanessaE	bas080: all Debian releases are named for Toy Story characters.
21:16	VanessaE	Jessie, Wheezy (the pengiun with the bad squeaker), Woody, Sid, etc.
21:16	bas080	:)
21:16	bas080	crazy developers
21:16	ligeti	Squeezy
21:16	VanessaE	Squeeze.
21:16	ligeti	:D
21:16	VanessaE	Sarge too
21:17	VanessaE	and I think I'm leaving one out
21:17	ShadowNinja	nman3600: Use a flat nodebox or the 'raillike' drawtype.
21:17	nman3600	Shadow thanks
21:17	ligeti	john_minetest, ... this is old lol
21:17	ShadowNinja	YW.
21:17	ligeti	I think it was "not the 9 oclock news" right?
21:21	bas080	ligeti, this source you sent me contains the latest minetest version?
21:22	ligeti	yes
21:22	ligeti	you can later use the package manager to install more modes and extra stuff btw
21:22	ligeti	oh and by all means I am not a pro (my first day gaming)
21:22	bas080	Should I remove other sources to avoid overkill.
21:23	bas080	ligeti, I'm not judging. Modes, with modes you mean?
21:24	ligeti	I really can't tell lol (they are on the website) I didn't test or read enough about this to clarify it (or to understand it myself)
21:25	bas080	This is weird. The mods are installable threw apt-get?
21:25	bas080	What is happening here?
21:26	bas080	Is that purely for the ease of use or does it improve ingame performance?
21:26	ligeti	bas080, I didn't use apt-get to install it... I add them (to test later) using the package manager
21:27	ligeti	you can enable them and disable using the GUI
21:27	sandman	So many png errors...
21:27	nman3600	the moment of truth if what ShadowNinja told me works
21:28	ShadowNinja	Haha.
21:29	ShadowNinja	nman3600: If it should work on walls raillike won't work BTW.  And it won't auto-rotate to fit on walls by default.
21:29	nman3600	it's not for walls it's for the floor
21:30	nman3600	raillike is a bit weird and dodgy do how i wanted it to be
21:31	nman3600	is there one that's the similar ShadowNinja?
21:32	ShadowNinja	nman3600: Did you try a flat nodebox?
21:33	nman3600	what do you mean?
21:33	ShadowNinja	{-0.5, -0.5, -0.5, 0.5, -0.4, 0.5}
21:33	ShadowNinja	That should make a flat nodebox.
21:34	ShadowNinja	See the documentation on nodeboxes.
21:34	nman3600	http://imgur.com/3rqMc4P
21:34	nman3600	thats how it turns out
21:36	ShadowNinja	nman3600: paramtype="light"
21:37	nman3600	wait i might have it
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21:38	nman3600	got it thanks for the help ShadowNinja
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21:40	LemonLake	I wondered why nothing was happening. I got kicked out or something.
21:40	LemonLake	I have a circle generator, but it only draws 3/4 of the circle: http://pastebin.com/twQMmUtc http://i.imgur.com/CZILarx.png
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21:42	nman3600	lol
21:42	LemonLake	And I thought you said you'd be shutting your PC off for the night.
21:43	nman3600	i did but i got bored and i thought of something to add to my mod and by morning i would've forgot
21:43	PilzAdam	LemonLake, nobody kicked you, you pinged out
21:43	LemonLake	My session ended, actually
21:43	LemonLake	Just found the dialog box lol
21:45	LemonLake	So aside from the circle question, I have another question: What's the best way to keep a player 'godmoded' for a certain amount of time?
21:46	LemonLake	More specifically, until a formspec is closed
21:47	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: "godmoded"?
21:47	LemonLake	Not able to be damaged.
21:48	ShadowNinja	Hmmm.  How are you setting that?
21:48	ShadowNinja	I thought that was server-wide only.
21:48	LemonLake	That's my question.
21:48	LemonLake	How would I?
21:49	ShadowNinja	You can't, at least AFAIK.
21:50	LemonLake	I suppose I could actually set their health to 20 at an interval, and have a property so that bullets ignore them, would that work?
21:55	nman3600	is there a way to make several crafting recipes into one for e.g when crafting the wool it isn't all put in different crafting recipes
21:56	LemonLake	Groups.
21:56	LemonLake	For loops.
21:56	nman3600	how tho
21:56	LemonLake	If you mean using wool in a recipe, you use the groups.
21:56	LemonLake	Google, the wiki and the forum are your friend.
21:56	LemonLake	But for reference, depend on default then group:wool
21:57	nman3600	i might just do them all seperate
21:57	LemonLake	No, that's a waste of time, bytes and holy god you're working in lua that's fu*king horrible
21:58	LemonLake	http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_craft
21:58	LemonLake	Read.
22:00	Vazon	brb
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22:02	LemonLake	http://imgur.com/gallery/yovovte
22:04	nman3600	LOL
22:07	nman3600	good bye all cya tommorow
22:07	nman3600	bye
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22:32	Jordach	http://imgur.com/gallery/BvDzSn5
22:34	LemonLake	amazing
22:37	LemonLake	Fixed my circle problem. I forgot a set of -y and -x
22:44	LemonLake	15 layers of a 200 radius circle generated instantly. awesome!
22:46	LemonLake	http://imgur.com/Xwiq4kc
22:49	LemonLake	minetest.get_mapgen_object, can someone explain to me what it returns?
22:49	LemonLake	It gives vm, emin and emax but what is the purpose of emin and emax?
22:52	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: They are the minimum and maximum corners of the area, you'll probably want to pass then to a VoxelArea.
22:52	LemonLake	Okay, so basically exactly the same as minp and maxp?
22:53	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: In on_generated I'd expect them to be the same, yes.   But use emin/max for a VoxelArea.
22:54	LemonLake	I see.
22:54	LemonLake	Then minp and maxp for iterating.
22:54	LemonLake	I'm just trying to work out what's the best way to pre-generate an entire area.
22:55	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: You *might* be able to generate a block by forceloading it.
22:56	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: But make sure to unforceload it shortly.
22:56	LemonLake	What if I pick a point, then do minp (and emin) -200 from it on x, -200 from it on y then ace_mg_generate?
22:56	LemonLake	Same for the max but +200
22:58	LemonLake	(ace_mg_generate is my world generator function, for reference
23:00	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: Oh, if you plan to generate it yourself you can just use a voxel manip.  But you should probably only generate things in on_generated.
23:00	LemonLake	I've already made the generator.
23:00	LemonLake	But I need to pre-generate a large area otherwise the barriers will get over-written.
23:00	LemonLake	Or, I could, instead of setting the tiles on the circle generator, store them in a table then access that in the generator.
23:01	LemonLake	That would also save processing power by not regenerating the huge circle on round restart
23:02	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: The map generator works in 80x80x80 chunks.
23:02	LemonLake	I'm aware.
23:03	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: 200x200x200 sounds too big.
23:03	LemonLake	Hold up, is minp a node position or a 'block' position?
23:03	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: A node position.
23:03	LemonLake	That's fine, then
23:03	ShadowNinja	emin/max might be block positions.
23:04	LemonLake	Okay, so what's your take on this: The players are able to build/destroy in the area during the game, however every 'round' the world needs to reset.
23:04	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: A 256x256x256 spherical explosion took about a minute on my computer.
23:04	LemonLake	What would be the fastest way of 'resetting' the world?
23:05	ShadowNinja	Maybe a schematic.
23:05	ShadowNinja	Set the map generator to singlenode with air.
23:05	LemonLake	It is.
23:05	LemonLake	I've already got a generator.
23:05	LemonLake	So, on mapgen init, generate the whole area that we need, then save it in a schematic.
23:06	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: I'm talking about the builtin C++ generator.
23:06	LemonLake	You mean when creating the world, using the singlenode generator?
23:07	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: Yes.  That way there aren't things outside the area for them to touch.
23:07	LemonLake	minetest.set_mapgen_params({mgname="singlenode", flags="nolight"})
23:07	LemonLake	It already is.
23:07	ShadowNinja	O.K.
23:08	LemonLake	Just looking at how schematics work now. Thank you so much for the pointers!
23:08	ShadowNinja	You can generate it, save it in a schematic, and reload it on the interval.
23:08	ShadowNinja	:-)  YW.
23:09	ShadowNinja	They're ZLib compressed, so it should be reasonable small and fast.
23:09	LemonLake	Sounds good.
23:10	LemonLake	Actually, how do I set the worldspawn?
23:11	LemonLake	Nevermind :P
23:12	ShadowNinja	You can set static_spawnpoint or use a callback (on_joinplayer?)  Check builtin/game/static_spawn.lua
23:12	LemonLake	Yep
23:13	LemonLake	-n is no longer required in /set, is it?
23:23	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: It's still required.
23:23	LemonLake	Oh, okay.
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23:25	fireglow	Is there a supertool mod that can mine ANY block, even https://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest_bedrock ?
23:26	LemonLake	There's a bedrock_pick in that mod.
23:26	LemonLake	I assume that can mine it
23:26	fireglow	ooh, cool
23:26	fireglow	thanks
23:27	Vazon	fireglow i believe the jail_pick fro mthat jail mod tha can mine anything that is in the default game and most every mod, I dont know about that mod tho
23:27	LemonLake	That pick can only break bedrock, actually.
23:29	ShadowNinja	fireglow: The bedrock pick, the infinitytools pick, and possibly the other jail mod's admin pick, can dig bedrock.
23:29	fireglow	wow, you're all so helpful ♥
23:29	fireglow	thank you :)
23:30	ShadowNinja	:-)
23:30	ShadowNinja	Oh, technic's tools might be able to too, but that would be a bug.
23:31	LemonLake	Is the voxelmanip nil when the generator is initialized?
23:32	LemonLake	If so, would it work if I delayed it with minetest.after?
23:34	LemonLake	Okay, I just can't get the voxelmanip in general.
23:36	fireglow	ShadowNinja: re the line "if minetest.setting_getbool("generate_bedrock") then" -- it's default value is "false"?
23:36	LemonLake	You'd set generate_bedrock to false in minetest.conf
23:37	fireglow	yeah, but what's the default value?
23:37	LemonLake	If it doesn't exist, false.
23:37	fireglow	okay, cool
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23:41	LemonLake	ShadowNinja: I can't access the voxelmanip apart from in register_on_generated
23:41	LemonLake	Any ideas?
23:42	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: See docs.  You can only use get_mapgen_object in on_generated, use VoxelManip in other places.
23:42	LemonLake	"VoxelManip()" Completely overlooked, thanks.
23:47	LemonLake	Still claims that it's nil
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