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00:00 WindHero boot time: ~3-5 s.
00:00 Exio4 my laptop booted in 7 seconds with an HDD
00:01 WindHero did it have a crapload of stuff on it yet though?
00:01 Megaf ok
00:01 WindHero before I filled up a bunch of programs, it was some 2 s.
00:01 Exio4 i did
00:01 Megaf now I could be very screwed
00:01 Megaf Just did this megaf@BigSam:~$ rm -rf *
00:01 WindHero ?
00:02 Megaf WindHero: I just wiped all my files
00:02 WindHero I was afraid that was what it meant. :(
00:03 Megaf see why I have several backups across multiple drives?
00:03 WindHero yup
00:03 WindHero gtg
00:03 Megaf cya
00:03 Exio4 you could have serval backups over multiple drivers
00:03 Exio4 drives
00:03 Exio4 and also offline backups
00:03 Exio4 but if the user is dumb. hmm, there is no fix
00:03 Megaf Exio4: that's what I do
00:04 Megaf I have 5 hard disks with off line backups
00:04 Megaf I know eventually I will wipe my data
00:04 Megaf as I just did
00:04 Megaf so best thing I could do is keep my data safe
00:05 Vazon so i think ifound it
00:06 Vazon Megaf can you try to log in
00:06 Megaf sure
00:06 Vazon thanks
00:16 Megaf Vazon: did it crash?
00:17 Vazon no
00:17 Vazon wait
00:17 Vazon mhmm ya
00:17 Vazon relog
00:17 Megaf what cause the crash?
00:18 Megaf caused*
00:18 Vazon idk it didnt tell me i believe the snow mod , its a old version and the fix i but for it back them was a crappy one and i hear 0.4.9 broke the mod so i need to remove it
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00:27 Vazon its back megaf
00:34 Megaf Vazon: I'm involved with my own server issues now :P
00:42 blaise !up midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org
00:42 MinetestBot midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org:30000 seems to be down
00:42 blaise !up midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org 35000
00:42 MinetestBot midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org:35000 seems to be down
00:43 blaise =[
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00:51 SoniEx2 does minetest have note blocks?
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00:54 FreeFull SoniEx2: There might some some mod for them, but it doesn't come with them
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00:54 FreeFull I'd expect it'd be related to the mesecons mods
00:54 SoniEx2 uhh ok :/
00:56 harrison minetest needs a 01,09memehopper mod
00:58 SoniEx2 does minetest have redstone?
00:59 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix error messages beeing shown on pressing cursor keys in various menus 90f0859128 2014-05-11T02:57:47+02:00 http://git.io/oQrihw
01:04 harrison 01,09mememememememememememmememememememememememememememememememememememememe
01:04 harrison 01,09                                   _        internet insect           .
01:04 harrison 01,09   _ __ ___   ___  _ __ ___   ___ | |__   ___  _ __  _ __   ___  _ __ .
01:04 harrison 01,09  | '_ ` _ \ / _ \| '_ ` _ \ / _ \| '_ \ / _ \| '_ \| '_ \ / _ \| '__|.
01:04 harrison was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.
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01:04 harrison mememememememememememmememememememememememememememememememememememememe
01:04 harrison _        internet insect           .
01:04 harrison _ __ ___   ___  _ __ ___   ___ | |__   ___  _ __  _ __   ___  _ __ .
01:04 harrison | '_ ` _ \ / _ \| '_ ` _ \ / _ \| '_ \ / _ \| '_ \| '_ \ / _ \| '__|.
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01:05 harrison man
01:05 SoniEx2 does minetest have beds?
01:05 SoniEx2 I'm tired .-.
01:06 harrison you and me both
01:06 harrison -- i am tired of being repressed by the System
01:07 SoniEx2 I'm tired of assholes, I'm tired of being awake because I didn't sleep properly, I'm tired of being tired .-.
01:07 harrison Your language is not family-friendly
01:08 harrison I am also xosted but i don't go around cursing like an oaf
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01:14 vazon Megaf you there?
01:15 FreeFull SoniEx2: There is at least one mod with beds
01:15 FreeFull I advise we all go sleep
01:17 Megaf vazon: maybe
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01:18 vazon did the server crash again??
01:18 Megaf vazon: mine or yours?
01:18 Megaf ~up minetest.megaf.info 30003
01:18 ShadowBot Megaf: minetest.megaf.info port 30003 is up (1509ms)
01:18 vazon mine cause I'm not home atm
01:19 Megaf ~up 75.131.40.131
01:19 ShadowBot Megaf: 75.131.40.131 port 30000 is up (808ms)
01:19 Megaf your server is up vazon
01:20 vazon mhmm the config must be messed up cause I can't see it on the server list
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01:59 SoniEx2 do you guys have a build server?
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02:12 Megaf I dont think so SoniEx2
02:12 Megaf why?
02:13 SoniEx2 do they want a build server?
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02:32 Megaf SoniEx2: hm
02:32 Megaf maybe
02:32 Megaf way a sec please
02:33 Megaf SoniEx2: Why would you offer that?
02:33 * Megaf is nobody, just a player
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03:13 Vazon !up 75.131.40.131
03:13 MinetestBot 75.131.40.131:30000 is up (134ms)
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03:20 Megaf you good Vazon ?
03:22 Vazon maby :P
03:22 Vazon !up 75.131.40.131\
03:22 MinetestBot 75.131.40.131\:30000 seems to be down
03:22 Vazon !up 75.131.40.131
03:22 Vazon ..
03:22 Vazon not going to respond?
03:22 Vazon !up 75.131.40.131
03:22 MinetestBot 75.131.40.131:30000 is up (132ms)
03:23 Vazon its not linking hte server list that is the only prob i got left
03:23 Vazon liking*
03:24 Vazon it seems to pop on and off the server list
03:24 Megaf Vazon: you compiled with curl support?
03:24 Vazon what? i dont understand
03:25 Megaf curl is a library
03:25 Megaf that a server need to tell minetest server list its on
03:25 Megaf I mean
03:26 Megaf it needs to announce itself to servers.minetest.net
03:26 Vazon o idk
03:26 Megaf hold on
03:27 Megaf Vazon: libcurl3 lua-curl-dev
03:27 Megaf install these
03:27 Megaf then recompile your server
03:28 Megaf apt-get install libcurl3 lua-curl-dev
03:28 Vazon -.- i have already recomipled it like 4 times
03:29 Megaf did you rerun cmake?
03:30 Megaf you need to rerun cmake to tell it that you cave curl
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04:11 Vazon !up 75.131.40.131
04:11 MinetestBot 75.131.40.131:30000 is up (136ms)
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05:22 Eater4 Vazon: you run minerealems right?
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05:55 Vazon Eater you asked if i run minerealms?
05:57 Vazon Eater4?
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07:22 Calinou hi
07:27 Calinou minimal game loads so fast in comparison to Carbone :s
07:29 Calinou I found a dungeon “stub” in the surface
07:29 VanessaE hey
07:29 whiskers75 Calinou: MAKE MORE OPTIMIZED
07:30 VanessaE not much you can do to speed up 2000 item/node registrations :)
07:31 VanessaE dreambuilder probably makes carbone look like minimal by comparison ;)
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07:34 Calinou There are 2016 registered nodes, items and tools.
07:35 Calinou VanessaE, the limit is 32767, right?
07:35 VanessaE yeah
07:35 Calinou I remember when it used to be 2048 or even 4095, Stairs+ took a significant part of it :p
07:35 VanessaE dreambuilder has somewhere north of 6000 I think
07:36 Calinou heh, a surface dungeon goes underground using a staircase
07:37 Calinou strange, stair nodes generate only sometimes in dungeons
07:42 * sfan5 meows at whiskers75
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07:48 Calinou water being opaque while not digging really needs a fix
07:51 Calinou does anyone have a patch for this?
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07:58 VanessaE you mean the Y axis :)
07:58 Calinou no, when digging, it's fine
07:58 Calinou when not digging, it becomes opaque
07:59 VanessaE the only opaque/non-opaqueness I've seen with water was when it would randomly flick between the two states depending on your view angle like john said, but I've never noticed a digging-related change
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08:03 * markveidemanis doesn't play minetest
08:03 asie hey minetesters
08:03 asie oh man the factory mod looks so awesome
08:03 markveidemanis Hi asie!
08:04 asie also my current pack has 1400 nodes if anyone's curious
08:04 markveidemanis does it?
08:04 asie yes
08:04 asie it's not really fleshed-out tho
08:04 asie it lacks automation... a slightly stripped-down version of pipeworks and a rewrite of Jordach's tanks and the new Factory mod will probably do it though
08:06 markveidemanis I see the forums are still shit
08:08 asie markveidemanis: oh shut up they're not
08:08 asie they're the best we're going to have anyway
08:08 markveidemanis Really?
08:09 markveidemanis The punbb ones were tons better
08:09 asie oh
08:09 asie you mean the engine, not the community?
08:09 markveidemanis Yes!
08:09 asie i usually like to host forums on FluxBB, yes
08:09 * markveidemanis googles
08:09 asie i really want to launch a Minetest server in Poland
08:09 asie but nobody would play on it and it makes me sad
08:11 Calinou hi asie
08:11 asie hi Calinou
08:11 Calinou <asie> also my current pack has 1400 nodes if anyone's curious
08:11 Calinou you mean, your game?
08:11 asie yes
08:11 Calinou mine has 2016 nodes, items and tools
08:12 asie i come from minecraft, i use minecraft terminology still
08:12 Calinou (it's stated when starting server)
08:12 markveidemanis asie: Biome/Biome, Chunk/Block
08:12 asie markveidemanis: I know already
08:12 markveidemanis Block/Node
08:12 asie but I forget sometimes
08:12 Calinou pack, in Minetest terminology, is usually short for “modpack” :P
08:12 markveidemanis pack
08:12 Calinou markveidemanis, it depends, Block is widely used in the game
08:12 Calinou I use block for most non-technical descriptions
08:12 Calinou MapBlock for chunk
08:13 markveidemanis Or cube...
08:13 markveidemanis Voxel if you want to get technical :P
08:13 Calinou eg. “Coal Block” :P
08:13 asie it still makes me sad that running a Minetest server in Poland is out of the question
08:13 asie everyone plays Minecraft... /pirated/ Minecraft, at that
08:17 markveidemanis https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=31
08:18 asie markveidemanis: 150 posts in 2.5 years
08:19 asie by about 10 people
08:19 markveidemanis Not so bad
08:19 asie most of which stopped posting ages ago
08:19 markveidemanis It doesn't matter where your server is
08:19 markveidemanis Anyone can still connect to it]
08:20 asie yes but
08:20 asie it's not the same
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08:23 VanessaE bbl
08:31 Calinou bye
08:31 Calinou <asie> it still makes me sad that running a Minetest server in Poland is out of the question
08:31 Calinou why?
08:31 asie userbase is non-existent
08:31 asie everyone pirates Minecraft
08:31 Calinou play with non-Polish people then
08:32 Calinou there aren't much French people either
08:32 asie it's not the same is the problem
08:32 asie :P
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08:45 asie no, it's more like everyone ostensibly steals bikes from the bike shop
08:45 asie and you know you won't sell cars because not even bikes sell, even if the cars are much cheaper they'll just keep stealing bikes
08:45 asie as that's simpler
08:45 asie also everyone uses bikes, why would anyone use a car if they'd just be mocked by the bike users association
08:45 asie who keep saying bikes are superior and have many people to advertise bikes
08:46 asie but that's essentially what happens here
08:46 asie you have a few let's players who literally decide what's cool right now
08:46 asie and everyone following the trends
08:47 asie john_minetest: why don't they tell me they'd like a car then?
08:47 asie everyone seems perfectly fine with bikes
08:48 asie nobody evver mentioned "hey, cars are cool"
08:48 asie "why don't we have cars?"
08:48 asie everyone keeps riding bikes and keeps trying to turn their bike into a car
08:48 asie but they wouldn't use a car because it's not a bike
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08:48 asie yeah
08:48 asie latest stats show 94% of Polish internet users pirate on a regular basis
08:49 asie not even kidding
08:49 asie do you think most of them care about whether it's legal or not?
08:50 * markveidemanis feels bad
08:51 asie john_minetest: Hah.
08:51 asie But most people in Poland don't even care about who made the bike
08:51 asie as long as it is a bike
08:51 asie that's the problem
08:51 asie the only guy who seems to get credit is Zyczu, the maintainer of the most popular pirated launcher
08:51 asie most popular because it keeps working
08:52 asie I did tell my friends
08:52 asie they said exactly what I said above
08:52 asie they want to keep playing Minecraft because it's "better"
08:53 asie even if I tried to prove to them cars are better they didn't care, the biggest complaint was that it doesn't look like a bike
08:54 asie that is, the textures are "worse"
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08:58 asie "modding your bike is nearly impossible"
08:58 asie it is perfectly possible, i modded bikes a while back
08:58 asie but the problem is every half a year a new bike gets released
08:58 asie everyone flocks to it because it's new, but the only thing that changes is the coating
08:58 asie and the entire internal structure
08:59 asie so you need to mod it all over again
08:59 asie and you can't be the voice of reason and say "we've had enough changes, let's stay to the old model of bikes"
08:59 asie because everyone will ignore you because IT'S A NEW BIKE
08:59 asie that's why i came here
08:59 asie they said they will remotely stop the old bikes from working if we don't move to the new bikes, even, in an IRC conversation
09:00 asie Mojang seems to be eerily similar in ways of work to Apple nowadays
09:01 asie The best way to do it would be to make YouTube videos of the car
09:01 asie I guess.
09:01 asie anyway, afk
09:08 Ritchie Hi, I have problem compiling minetest.. I did git pull to actual version and make ended with error, something with JThread
09:08 Ritchie /minetest/src/jthread/pthread/jthread.cpp:196:11: error: ‘class JThread’ has no member named ‘runningmutex’
09:09 Ritchie there are more similar lines
09:09 Ritchie /minetest/src/jthread/pthread/jthread.cpp:57:2: error: ‘runningmutex’ was not declared in this scope
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09:14 sfan5 Ritchie: which os?
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09:29 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
09:32 jin_xi Hi PilzAdam
09:34 sfan5 hi PilzAdam
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09:49 Ritchie sfan5: linux
09:49 sfan5 linux what?
09:49 Ritchie debian
09:50 Ritchie wheezy
09:53 sfan5 g++ version?
09:53 Ritchie g++ (Debian 4.7.2-5) 4.7.2
09:53 sfan5 ^ Ritchie
09:54 sfan5 that should be good enough
09:54 sfan5 hm
09:54 sfan5 file an issue on github
09:54 Ritchie I got it maybe.. I am compiling in copied folder that has another name than original folder
09:55 sfan5 that could be the problem
09:55 sfan5 you need to re-run cmake then
09:55 Ritchie patches in cmakefiles are wrong
09:55 sfan5 patches?
09:56 Ritchie how to say it.. names of folder
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10:10 Ritchie yes you are right
10:10 Ritchie they are from the Czech republic, same as me :)
10:13 Ritchie you can tell many commands to other team mates via radio
10:15 Ritchie sfan5: I tried to compile updated minetest with proper folder name and it was successfully built
10:15 Ritchie sfan5: thank you for help
10:15 sfan5 no problem
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10:16 Ritchie did you notice that LuaJIT has new version since March?
10:17 sfan5 me? why are you asking?
10:19 Ritchie i meant this question to whole channel.. i noticed it now, LuaJIT has some bugfixes
10:21 Calinou ARMA takes 40 minutes to play at least and needs very good hardware
10:21 Calinou it's insanely demanding, thus a bad example
10:22 PenguinDad Minetest has big enough worlds for tactical shooters :P
10:27 arsdragonfly VanessaE: I'm using your lua profiler and it's giving me negative number of time. What's wrong with that?
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10:40 sapier hello does anyone know a game replacing the hudbar selection by an image?
10:42 PenguinDad sapier: minetest_next and carbone do that
10:42 sapier thanks
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11:04 PenguinDad mapgen does interesting things in carbone https://cdn.mediacru.sh/hZLk5WS7Cs4i.png
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11:25 FreeFull PenguinDad: Looks like a collision between three biomes all flying at each other
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11:27 Calinou there are two biomes in v6
11:27 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix incorrect scaling of customized hud item selection marker b16cbba21a 2014-05-11T13:26:23+02:00 http://git.io/axCKKA
11:28 Calinou FreeFull, this is a desert dungeon
11:28 sfan5 PenguinDad: those are desert dungeons
11:28 FreeFull Calinou: Ah
11:29 FreeFull I'd love to see more stuff in minetest that you'd never see in minecraft
11:30 sfan5 write a mod
11:30 sfan5 that does that
11:31 FreeFull You need a good idea first though
11:32 sfan5 chest and mob spawners for dungeons
11:32 PenguinDad the interesting thing is I can find desert dungeon in other biomes too
11:33 sfan5 are you sure?
11:33 sfan5 desert dungeons always have 2 block wide hallways & use desert stone
11:34 PenguinDad I've seen them in jungles too
11:34 sfan5 jungles can override any biome
11:34 sfan5 you can find both in them
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12:00 hoodedice Is there a way to get an older server map from the client side
12:02 PenguinDad Minetest - The elder maps :D
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12:03 Calinou <FreeFull> I'd love to see more stuff in minetest that you'd never see in Minecraft
12:03 Calinou happens quite a bit in Carbone already
12:03 Calinou coins, different dungeons and mobs, air springs in caves…
12:04 Calinou hoodedice, no, you would only be able to download current version
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12:06 FreeFull Air springs?
12:07 markveidemanis HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
12:07 markveidemanis shit
12:08 markveidemanis these user-defined commands are fucking annoying
12:08 PenguinDad This makes no sense O_o
12:09 PenguinDad When I resize my firefox all youtube videos reload
12:10 FreeFull Carbone is interesting
12:10 FreeFull PenguinDad: Odd
12:11 PenguinDad john_minetest: I don't have flash either ;)
12:11 * markveidemanis is hosting an irc server on 81.135.40.162 6667
12:11 markveidemanis or sslv.tk is the fucking dns works
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12:14 markveidemanis Ping reply from ChanServ: 13.71 second(s)
12:17 PenguinDad nothing like that only the html5 player
12:19 hoodedice Say, what exactly is pointed_thing, and "above" and "under"?
12:20 sfan5 hoodedice: above is where the node would be when you place one, under is the node in the black outline
12:21 hoodedice okay, and pointed thing is the exact location of the mouse pointer?
12:21 sfan5 no
12:21 sfan5 pointed_thing has nothing to do with the mouse
12:21 hoodedice That is confusing
12:22 sfan5 pointed_thing is for nodes
12:22 hoodedice ah, that makes sense
12:22 PenguinDad hoodedice: pointed_thing is a table
12:24 hoodedice I hate to be that person, but I still dunno how do you define a table, and how do you put values in it, and how to call those values?
12:25 hoodedice But I won't bother anyone, and just peruse the pil and the dev wiki
12:26 sfan5 t = {a=1, fct=function(a) return (a * a) - a end}; t.a => 1; t.fct => [function]; t.fct(3) => 6
12:26 sfan5 ^ hoodedice
12:26 hoodedice so, anything within {} is a table?
12:27 sfan5 yes
12:27 sfan5 no
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12:27 sfan5 anything within { and } are the values in the table
12:28 hoodedice okay, got it
12:28 hoodedice This increases my lua xp by 9000 =D
12:28 jin_xi its not lua until there's a table
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12:30 hoodedice Hey yo john_minetest
12:30 hoodedice Oops
12:30 Jordach trololol
12:30 hoodedice Jordach
12:32 * Jordach missed the amplified audio from his desktop
12:34 hoodedice I would think that there is a way to stop generation of a map from the client side, when the map has generated to a certain extent
12:35 sapier no there ain't a way to do this and if it was it'd be a quite severe bug
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12:35 hoodedice By modding
12:35 hoodedice ^Forgot to add that to my question =P
12:36 sapier you could argue about "mods" beeing smarter then core itself, but at least it's not as insane as giving client chance to stop map generation on server
12:37 hoodedice I am talking on server side; but does this mean that such a mod is possible?
12:37 sapier no
12:37 sapier what'd be your usecase?
12:37 hoodedice performance considerations
12:37 hoodedice gameplay
12:38 hoodedice There are usecases for 5000x5000x5000 maps
12:38 sapier those are just buzzwords
12:38 hoodedice How about I make a game with 25 always active entities
12:38 markveidemanis sfan5: does /ctcp markveidemanis BLARG do anything?
12:38 hoodedice And allow them to roam around and generate the map, as if they were human players
12:38 Jordach yes
12:38 sfan5 no
12:38 Jordach it just shows the ctcp command
12:39 sapier performance isn't a valid reason as size of map shouldn't have an effect on performance as long as there aren't players all over the map
12:39 hoodedice ^I'm looking at that very scenario
12:39 sapier but yes adding a mapsize limitiation may be a interesting gameplay scenario
12:40 sapier hoodedice: if you make those entities this is considered your fault, entity map loading was added with explicit warning not to abuse it
12:40 sapier was it even added?
12:41 hoodedice Well, this custom game that I *might* make will heavily use entity map loading, and it is not possible to realise it otherwise
12:41 sapier and as far as I remember we agreed on adding a setting to force disable entity based maploading by server config
12:41 Jordach b-b-b-b-b-b-but carts would work properly!
12:42 hoodedice That's okay - I don't care if the end user breaks the game by messing around with server configs
12:42 sapier everytime I read "it is not possible to" ... I understand "I don't want to spend additional time on finding a better solution" ... that's true for me too ;-P
12:42 hoodedice As long as I do it correctly, everything is fine
12:42 sapier then do it correct hoodedice ;-)
12:42 hoodedice XD
12:43 hoodedice I don't even know the zwizzing syntax, and just found out how to define a table.
12:43 sapier everything else is just hiding bugs
12:43 hoodedice XD
12:43 Jordach hoodedice, var = {} and then for i=1, 4000 do var[i]={}
12:43 Jordach makes a 2d array
12:44 hoodedice Ik Jordach, sfan told me
12:44 Jordach bit hax, ain't it :D
12:44 hoodedice ya
12:44 hoodedice But is that the only way to define an array?
12:44 hoodedice Also, how would you call the 2534th value from it?
12:45 sfan5 john_minetest: uh no
12:45 hoodedice I think you would define if i = 2534; newvar = var
12:45 sfan5 ^ Jordach*
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12:45 Jordach hoodedice, var[2534] = value
12:46 sfan5 john_minetest: not you; here's a kitten: http://i.imgur.com/qNBpvF3.jpg
12:46 * jin_xi has a kitten on the keyboard
12:46 * sfan5 meows at jin_xi
12:47 * jin_xi is meowed at a lot
12:47 * sfan5 purrs at jin_xi
12:47 * jin_xi pets sfan5
12:48 * sfan5 curls up to jin_xi's lap
12:48 * hoodedice kicks both of the
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12:48 hoodedice s/the/them
12:48 sfan5[Mac] meow
12:48 BerBerM ASDASDASDASDASDASDASDASD
12:48 hoodedice =O mac?
12:48 hoodedice why?!
12:48 sfan5[Mac] because compiling stuff for iOS
12:49 hoodedice ffmpeg?
12:49 sfan5[Mac] yes that too
12:50 PenguinDad sfan5 is on a Mackey :D
12:52 hoodedice Still don't have many followers on twiiter =/
12:54 GhostDoge[Linux] yay!
13:00 hoodedice in a "function (a, b, c)"
13:01 hoodedice a, b, c are called arguments. Is that just a fancy way of saying "variables"?
13:01 sfan5[Mac] yes
13:02 Jordach and they are only local to that function
13:02 hoodedice so, it "function (a)" the same as "function(); local a == nil"?
13:03 sfan5 no
13:03 sfan5 if you call that function with an argument 'a' will have that value
13:04 sfan5 function(a) print(a) end; a() => 'nil' is printed; a(1234) => '1234' is printed
13:04 hoodedice ah, so 'a' would be global? Or just local to the file with the function?
13:05 sfan5 local to the function
13:06 hoodedice Got it.
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13:16 hoodedice bbl
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13:18 [PavelS] Hello, all. I have a trouble. I use "local item = clicker:get_wielded_item()" in on_rightclick entity callback and then "item:take_item()", but it don`t work. the item is on it place. What I do wrong?
13:18 Jordach remove the local part (i've never used locals in my mods ever)
13:20 PenguinDad what was the difference between pairs() and ipairs() agaon?
13:20 PenguinDad s/agaon/again/
13:20 * Jordach doesn't remember :OP
13:20 Jordach -P
13:21 [PavelS] removing locals do not help =( "clicker:get_wielded_item():take_item()"
13:23 CraigyDavi People of minetest I need your opinion. Fix this, or leave it as it is: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1294
13:25 CraigyDavi It was added recently, and I think it's bad
13:27 [PavelS] May be just add note like "Your message was truncated"
13:28 CraigyDavi Yes that would be good, I was unaware that other people could not see the whole of my message
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13:34 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix invalid cast fix resulting in chat messages beeing limited to 256 bytes 5c6cf630de 2014-05-11T15:32:15+02:00 http://git.io/yAiexw
13:35 * Jordach claps
13:35 Jordach won't fix my ass
13:39 kahrl it won't; it's not a proctologist
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13:47 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Send max number of characters instead of asserting in case of too long chat messages 167df02e3d 2014-05-11T15:39:38+02:00 http://git.io/u0wvOg
13:47 Jordach CraigyDavi, ^
13:48 CraigyDavi \o/
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13:52 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/IHfRQ-3ZucEs.png :D
13:52 Jordach nearly done!
13:53 harrison ,04.............WALRUSCH.&.SEELEY..............
13:53 harrison ,04..............Marine Dry Goods..............
13:53 harrison ,04.....mackerel.repellent..rigging.soffits....
13:53 harrison ,04..cod.ballast..hardtack..brined.victuals....
13:53 harrison ,04...voyaging.emphemera..semipolar.gristle....
13:53 harrison was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.
13:53 Jordach thank fuck
13:54 Jordach ShadowBot, ban pl0x
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13:54 Tiktalik stop that harrison, we like having eyes
13:54 pi4 harrison: stop with that already
13:54 pi4 nobody likes that
13:54 Jordach everyone continue bitching
13:54 Jordach gives the staff more reasons to kill him
13:54 pi4 Good morning everyone
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13:54 harrison .............WALRUSCH.&.SEELEY..............
13:54 harrison ..............Marine Dry Goods..............
13:55 harrison .....mackerel.repellent..rigging.soffits....
13:55 Tiktalik better
13:55 Tiktalik but just stop
13:55 Tiktalik this isn't runescape
13:55 Megaf ShadowNinja: Can't you ban harrison ?
13:55 harrison i only wanted to be accepted
13:55 Megaf LazyJ: Hi there
13:55 harrison is that so wrong?
13:56 Megaf harrison: So don't flood
13:56 Megaf Just don't
13:56 sapier megaf don't feed the troll
13:56 Megaf sapier: I like to live dengousrly (How the heck do I spell that?)
13:57 Exio4 dangerwjdifusdfgsdf
13:57 sapier dangerously ... but I'm not a native too
13:57 Amaz_ Dangerously.
13:57 Exio4 :D
13:57 Exio4 hi people
13:58 Exio4 long time no see ^^
13:58 harrison ......memehopper.approved.retailer..........
13:59 Megaf Exio4: heh
13:59 Megaf Thanks sapier and Amaz_
13:59 Amaz_ No problem!
13:59 Exio4 when i'm not sure if i spelled a word correctly, i use google translate
14:00 Exio4 if i translate it back to spanish and makes sense, it must be the wrong word or something
14:00 Amaz_ (At first I couldn't think what you were saying thanks for!)
14:00 Megaf Amaz_: heh, well, I hope you do now
14:00 Amaz_ Yep!
14:00 Megaf because you spelled it to me
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14:02 Megaf sapier: today I'm doing some tests with redis database server on a different server than minetest server is running, I hope that will speed up world loading to clients time
14:02 Exio4 Megaf: where are you from?
14:02 Megaf Hi Vazon, hows your server today? LazyJ is around!
14:02 Exio4 (dat english ^)
14:02 Vazon its great and :D finally
14:02 sapier Megaf: theroeticaly that's gonna cause a slowdown ... but you'll see
14:03 Vazon sapier
14:03 Megaf sapier: Why would it?
14:03 PenguinDad Megaf: lag
14:03 sapier network communication is always slower then disk access
14:03 sapier unless your server was overloaded you'd not have any benefti
14:03 Megaf sapier: what if disk access on the server is really slow
14:04 sapier what if disk access on redis server is slow?
14:04 sapier comparing different disks isn't really what you wanna do, is it?
14:05 Megaf nope, the disk where mineteserver runs is really slow, and I'm using sqlite
14:05 Megaf so, I will see if things get better if I use redis server, redis running on other server with faster disk
14:05 sapier well in this case it's a very very very specific test to your personal setup
14:05 sapier the result won't be of any worth for others
14:06 Megaf well, Why would one use redis if not to run it on a different computer?
14:06 sapier why don't you just put the fast disk in your server ;-) this way you don't have the redis network overhead
14:06 Megaf sapier: "my case is very specific"
14:06 sapier ok :-)
14:07 Megaf to begin with, it's an ARM board, and the botleneck is the Class 4 SD card I'm using as storage
14:07 sapier ahh sorry :-) should've thought about this :-)
14:08 sapier btw what's benefit of using a low power arm if you have to run a separate server for database? :-)
14:08 Megaf So there's really almost no lag on CPU side, it just got 6 seconds of IO wait
14:08 Megaf sapier: the separe server will use even less power
14:08 Megaf but with my faster storage
14:09 sapier well give it a try it's almost impossible to predict what's gonna happen in this strange setup ;-)
14:09 Megaf I think my minetest server is suing at most 5 watts and the new redis server will use at ost 4 watts
14:09 Megaf still lower power usage that an Intel Atom alone
14:09 Megaf than*
14:09 sapier not sure about that, but it's your setup
14:10 Megaf well, first I'm comparing performance on PC hardware
14:10 Megaf sqlite vs redis on different server
14:11 Megaf then I will test on my real server
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14:11 sapier use same settings for sqlite as you do for redis
14:11 sapier eg. if you run sqlite in sync mode do this for redis too
14:11 Megaf I will
14:16 Vazon sapier
14:16 sapier how may I help you Vazon?
14:17 Vazon ok so when we did all that stuff yesterday and my minetest version is to 0.4.9dev it broke the mod ServerExtended and it crashes when a new person joins but it works fine on 0.4.9 stable, is there anyway to fix this?
14:18 Vazon i have used that mod for a long time and i love using it.
14:18 whiskers75 sapier: you got another mt android build?
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14:18 sapier not yet whiskers75
14:19 sapier Vazon: you still don't have additional error information? can you post a link to that mod and how to reproduce the crash?
14:19 Vazon that the thing it never gives me one, with any crash i never geta error report
14:20 LazyJ Howdy, Megaf ;) A bit late, but I'm juggling a few other chat's atm. I hide under a rock for a few days and "boom!" as soon as I pop out. ;)-
14:20 Megaf LazyJ: Hey there, How are things?
14:20 sapier ok just write an issue describe how to reproduce and add a link to the mod causing it
14:20 Vazon ok
14:20 sapier if a mod is reason for crash there has to be a crash report
14:20 Megaf It's good to hide under a rock sometimes :)
14:20 Vazon well where would it be?
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14:21 Vazon it doesnt give me one in the terminal
14:21 sapier that's the bug,
14:21 sapier there should be a report
14:21 Megaf Vazon: you may change the amount of info that minetest put on debug.txt
14:21 Megaf debug level option in minetest.conf
14:21 Vazon megaf i dont get any debug xD
14:22 Megaf You really should
14:22 Vazon nope :/
14:22 sapier whiskers75: I can't do a android build right now because recent commits to master broke various things
14:22 whiskers75 D;
14:23 CraigyDavi Vazon, it should show the info about the crash in debug.txt
14:24 sapier CraigyDavi: true .. it SHOULD ... but it doesn't do that
14:24 Megaf it would if Vazon changes the debug level in minetest.conf
14:25 sapier no Megaf errors should be there in default level
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14:26 CraigyDavi Vazon, try disabling seperate parts of the mod. First check if the se_startup loads
14:26 sapier actually a mod error should even bring up a error message
14:26 Megaf sapier: what if he set it to don't write anything?
14:26 Megaf like, debug level 0
14:27 sapier for what I remember on looking at his log yesterday it's default ;-)
14:28 Vazon ok so there was no debug.txt maby it got deleted or idk but i just created one and added the mod back in so hold on
14:30 Megaf Vazon: it should be on the minetestestfolder/bin/
14:30 Mimilus is it possible to use minenest_next default doors in a mod with minetest game without removing minetest game
14:31 sapier no he uses vanessae's restart script changeing the log file
14:31 CraigyDavi What do you mean Mimilus?
14:32 Mimilus I would to use doors from minetest next just for some doors in a mod but a would like to use old minetest game
14:33 CraigyDavi Just replace doors mod in minetest_game with the doors mod in minetest_next
14:33 Mimilus with original doors function from minetest game for some other doors
14:34 CraigyDavi I think minetest_next still uses the same functions, it should be compatible
14:35 Mimilus yes but there is sound with minetest next doors
14:36 Mimilus if a made a local copy of minetest next doors function to a lua file file in my mod folder it doesn't work
14:36 Vazon -.- i quit... now even when i have the mod turned on it does nothing
14:37 CraigyDavi Vazon, try using just se_api and see if that works. then try adding the other mods in the modpack
14:37 CraigyDavi Mimilus, what's the error?
14:37 Vazon Craigy the mod not even turning on
14:38 CraigyDavi Vazon, is the modpack in the mods folder? Or inside minetest_game?
14:38 Vazon mods
14:38 Vazon they all have dependences for each other i cant just turn on one
14:39 CraigyDavi I haev found the modpacks sometimes don't work when putting them in the mod folder. Put the mod instead into games/minetest_game/mods
14:39 Vazon what difference does that make -.-
14:40 PenguinDad CraigyDavi: that's a dirty way :O
14:40 CraigyDavi Modpacks sometimes don't become enabled when using the GUI. If you place them into minetest_game it means it WILL be loaded
14:41 PenguinDad Vazon: how's the modpack called?
14:42 Vazon ServerExtended
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14:43 CraigyDavi Remove caps.
14:43 PenguinDad is there a folder called ServerExtended in ServerExtended?
14:43 Vazon no
14:44 Jordach wtf AMD
14:44 Vazon ?
14:44 Jordach >install fglrx >OpenGL 4.4 >Steam reports OpenGL 1.4
14:45 CraigyDavi Vazon, Mods/Modpacks don't work if they haev capital letters in the name
14:45 Vazon they have before
14:45 Vazon but ok
14:45 CraigyDavi Capital letters in mods/modpacks don't work on Linux, they work on windows though.
14:46 CraigyDavi You transfered server to Linux recently?
14:46 PenguinDad CraigyDavi: they work on linux
14:46 Vazon yes......
14:46 * Vazon feels no so smart anymore
14:46 Vazon not*
14:47 CraigyDavi Does it work now?
14:47 Vazon hold on
14:48 Vazon no
14:48 Vazon it doesnt
14:49 CraigyDavi Move the modpack into minetest_game. Otherwise, I'm out of ideas.
14:49 sapier Vazon please try to create a minimum set of mods required to cause the bug
14:49 Vazon well i need the mod to turn on first -.- it wont turn on
14:50 CraigyDavi Vazon, if you put the modpack into minetest_game it will turn on automatically
14:50 Megaf What's the CMAKE thing to enable REDIS again?
14:50 Megaf cmake . -LH doesnt always show all options
14:50 Megaf I don't know why
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14:54 Vazon ok i got the crash
14:54 CraigyDavi Ok what's the crash?
14:55 Megaf "-- redis backend enabled"
14:55 Megaf And we are ready to rock!
14:56 Vazon pastebin.com/jaeD3r8j that is all it gave me when it crashed
14:57 Megaf There's no crash there
14:57 CraigyDavi Eh? Where's the crash?
14:57 Vazon exactly
14:57 Megaf Vazon: disable doors mod
14:57 Vazon the terminal just freezes
14:58 Vazon doors mod isnt the problem, its been in there from day one and works fine
14:58 CraigyDavi aaron seems to cause the crash. What privs are you giving to him?
14:59 Vazon no its when i logged in
14:59 Vazon one a new person
14:59 Vazon hes fine
14:59 Vazon as soon as it says spawn point it just dies
15:00 CraigyDavi So it's aproblem with new people joining?
15:01 Vazon yes and if i remeove the serverextended mod, its fine
15:01 Vazon and it worked fine till i moved to 0.4.9 dev from 0.4.9 stable
15:01 sfan5 uhh
15:01 sfan5 ShadowNinja: why is is doing that?
15:02 sfan5 s/is it/are you/
15:02 CraigyDavi Vazon, can you check what privs are given to new players in the config?
15:02 Vazon yes its just shout
15:02 Vazon let me double check
15:02 ShadowNinja sfan5: It's me.
15:03 sfan5 why?
15:03 ShadowNinja sfan5: For repeated flooding.
15:03 sfan5 ah
15:03 PenguinDad harrison didn't do anything except being the memehopper :(
15:03 Jordach THERE
15:03 Vazon ya server extended just has shout just like the minetest.config
15:03 Jordach tf2 works
15:03 Jordach AMD BETA driver ftw
15:04 CraigyDavi Vazon, have you set a static spawnpoint in minetest.conf?
15:05 Vazon yes
15:06 CraigyDavi Vazon, go to se_admin_tools and remove/comment out this part of the file: https://github.com/Traxie21/ServerExtended--Unstable-/blob/master/se_admin_tools/init.lua#L169-L178
15:06 Vazon i just saw that xD was getting ready to
15:07 CraigyDavi If you have already set a static spawnpoint you don't need that. And it might cause problems
15:07 Vazon ya i thought the same
15:07 Vazon let me try now
15:08 CraigyDavi If it still causes errors then comment out this: https://github.com/Traxie21/ServerExtended--Unstable-/blob/aea5cc37af42ac6792e7f34de68c5616f781cf44/se_startup/init.lua#L89-L92
15:09 Megaf john_minetest: That's nice
15:09 Megaf I'd like to take a photo like that
15:09 Megaf maybe on day I will
15:10 Jordach !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
15:10 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 seems to be down
15:10 Jordach pfft
15:10 Megaf oops
15:10 Jordach one fucking time i wanna check if it works correcrlyt
15:10 Jordach correctly *
15:11 Megaf 23:58:25: ERROR[ConnectionSend]: con(4/1)RunTimeouts(): Peer 128 has timed out. (source=peer->timeout_counter)
15:11 Megaf 23:58:25: ERROR[ConnectionSend]: con(4/1)RunTimeouts(): Peer 169 has timed out. (source=peer->timeout_counter)
15:11 Megaf user@odroidu2:~/Minetest/minetest/bin$
15:11 Megaf yep
15:11 Megaf just crashed
15:11 Megaf and with no reason
15:11 Jordach i'm not even mad
15:11 Megaf minetest is not reliable at all
15:11 Jordach i'm impressed
15:11 PenguinDad !up servercra.sh
15:11 MinetestBot servercra.sh:30000 seems to be down
15:12 Jordach !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
15:12 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (407ms)
15:12 Megaf Jordach: I'm having issues with world loading time, and that's causing apparent lag of up to 6 seconds
15:12 Vazon Thanks Crairy the second one fixed it
15:13 Vazon Craigy*
15:15 CraigyDavi Great, glad i could help
15:15 CraigyDavi !next
15:15 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
15:16 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/uV6lra8Wa5Yp.png anyone noticed a broken few pixels to the left of the window?
15:18 CraigyDavi I don't notice anything
15:18 Vazon i did
15:18 Vazon was you turning when you took that?
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15:18 PenguinDad eew unity and no
15:19 FreeFull My minetest's debug.log is almost 1GB o.o
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15:20 Vazon they get pretty big
15:20 CraigyDavi Wow thats big, I always clear it out
15:20 Vazon my was very big in december like 2GB i believe
15:22 CraigyDavi Rollback logs need to be cleared regularly, when mine reached 5GB you could not rollback without lagging the server
15:23 FreeFull The fracture mod is fun
15:23 Vazon fracture?
15:24 CraigyDavi Fracture: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=9175
15:24 Vazon that looks like a pain
15:24 Vazon to navigate
15:25 CraigyDavi It's actually rather easy
15:25 CraigyDavi This server uses it:
15:26 CraigyDavi !server Floatlands
15:26 MinetestBot CraigyDavi: Floatlands survival server | sfan5.duckdns.org:30005 | Clients: 2/15, 4 | Version: 0.4.9-dev | ping: 0.124
15:26 FreeFull It isn't
15:26 CraigyDavi Well maybe because I used super fast and no damage :)
15:26 FreeFull I'm not sure how to get saplings though
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15:27 MinetestBot john_minetest: VanessaE's mostly-vanilla minetest_game server | digitalaudioconcepts.com:30005 | Clients: 4/50, 43 | Version: 0.4.9-dev | ping: 0.097
15:27 FreeFull Leaves aren't decaying or dropping saplings when I break them
15:27 MinetestBot john_minetest: Onez' Minetest Server | mtzeno.com | Clients: 23/25, 25 | Version: 0.4.9-dev | ping: 0.174
15:27 FreeFull The grass looks funny but I like it
15:28 Vazon i wish i could get my server ip to minerealms somthing :/
15:28 PenguinDad !server players:42
15:28 MinetestBot PenguinDad: No results
15:28 PenguinDad !server 42
15:28 MinetestBot PenguinDad: No results
15:30 CraigyDavi Vazon, I could offer you minerealms.24tails.com. But not at the moment as the configoration seems to have messed up
15:31 Vazon that soulds like hosting :/ i would like to keep it on my computer for the itme being
15:31 Vazon time*
15:32 CraigyDavi It's not hosting. All you do is go to a link and then it syncs the IP with the domain
15:32 Vazon really?
15:32 CraigyDavi Yes
15:32 Vazon o ok
15:33 FreeFull Grar, how do I get saplings
15:33 FreeFull No decay, no saplings on leaf break, no crafting
15:35 FreeFull Not even cobblestone, when you mine you get stone o.o
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15:47 * CraigyDavi is making a new minetest game called simpletest using the simplepixels texture pack
15:48 sfan5 CraigyDavi: rename 'default' to 'simpledefault'
15:48 sfan5 and add a "Simple" in front of ever description
15:49 CraigyDavi Why?
15:51 CraigyDavi If you are using the game you would be assuming that everything would be simple :)
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16:05 Hunterz will be possible add chest and door lock to advanced area protection mod?
16:05 Eater4 Hm.....
16:05 Eater4 Possibly...
16:05 Hunterz now this mod protect only build/destroy node
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16:06 Eater4 Idk: ask ShadowNinja
16:06 Eater4 Cheapie
16:06 cheapie Hi.
16:06 Eater4 Is it possible to add a door lock to the protection mod
16:06 cheapie Possibly. Ask ShadowNinja.
16:08 Hunterz thx i will wait to reply :)
16:10 FreeFull The waving leaves shader lets you walk through leaf blocks. Odd
16:10 FreeFull Unless it's Carbone that does
16:12 PenguinDad FreeFull: it's carbone which does that
16:12 FreeFull It's Carbone
16:12 FreeFull Odd, because you can't see anything inside leaf blocks either
16:12 PenguinDad have you enabled fancy trees?
16:14 FreeFull No
16:14 FreeFull I don't have fancy trees
16:14 FreeFull Oh, wait, I know what you mean
16:14 FreeFull Nope, I like solid leaf blocks
16:14 FreeFull I suppose that's it
16:15 FreeFull Completely forgot that existed
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16:17 PenguinDad I personally prefer glasslike or plantlike leaves
16:18 Vazon Eater4
16:19 Eater4 Yes Vazon
16:20 Vazon last night you asked if i own Minerealms when i was afk
16:22 Vazon mhmm i stumbled on to the old map of my server.... im still depating wether to try to see it its still viable
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16:31 CraigyDavi I'm sure people would be more happy if you used the old map
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16:44 Mikerhinos hi
16:44 PenguinDad hello Mikerhinos!
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16:47 sapier Vazon: did you manage to get a usefull error message from that mod yet?
16:48 Vazon its fixed sapier it was just coding errors that dont corrispond with 0.4.9 dev
16:48 Vazon https://github.com/Traxie21/ServerExtended--Unstable-/blob/aea5cc37af42ac6792e7f34de68c5616f781cf44/se_startup/init.lua#L89-L92
16:48 Vazon https://github.com/Traxie21/ServerExtended--Unstable-/blob/master/se_admin_tools/init.lua#L169-L178
16:49 Vazon that is what i removed and it fixed it
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16:49 sapier Vazon still there should be an error message
16:49 Vazon thanks to craigydave
16:49 Vazon no there was never a error message it just froze
16:49 sapier that's a bug, it's supposed to show up a bug there
16:50 Calinou hi Mikerhinos
16:50 Calinou Mikerhinos, #minetest-fr
16:50 Jordach heyt Calinou
16:50 Jordach -t
16:50 Vazon sapier this is all the debug gave me at the crash
16:50 Vazon pastebin.com/jaeD3r8j
16:52 sapier there should be a telling error message, how are you supposed to find that error?
16:53 Vazon you cant wit hout it being fixed :|
16:53 sapier well if we don't track it down now next one has to do same
16:53 sapier can you give me a link to the code causing the error?
16:54 Vazon yes i understand and its in the links above, the highlighted area cause the crash
16:54 PenguinDad <Vazon> https://github.com/Traxie21/ServerExtended--Unstable-/blob/aea5cc37af42ac6792e7f34de68c5616f781cf44/se_startup/init.lua#L89-L92
16:54 MegAFK !up minetest.megaf.info 30005
16:54 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30005 is up (971ms)
16:54 PenguinDad <Vazon> https://github.com/Traxie21/ServerExtended--Unstable-/blob/master/se_admin_tools/init.lua#L169-L178
16:54 PenguinDad ^ sapier
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16:55 sapier PenguinDad: isn't this te fixed version?
16:56 PenguinDad <Vazon> that is what i removed and it fixed it
16:56 MegAFK folks, I need you test this minetest.megaf.info 30005
16:56 MegAFK just tell me about delays and lag
16:56 MegAFK mapgen
16:56 MegAFK that info really matter
16:56 MegAFK its just a test case
16:57 Vazon ok
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17:02 Vazon well it wasnt laggy megaf
17:04 MegAFK Vazon: I need the max_lag info from /status
17:04 Vazon o i didnt have it sorry
17:05 Jordach git developer protip: don't do git rm -rf foo *
17:08 Jordach !tell BlockMen is there a fixed hud for latest git?
17:08 MinetestBot Jordach: I'll pass that on when BlockMen is around
17:09 * sfan5 meows at Jordach
17:11 Exio4 legit
17:11 Exio4 i'm half asleep
17:11 Exio4 and without realizing i went to #minetest-dev instead of another channel
17:16 * Jordach got up at 1pm today
17:21 * sfan5 meows at Jordach
17:22 Jordach i make cats look energetic :3
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17:24 PilzAdam Jordach uses unity oO
17:25 Jordach >cool game design enviroment
17:25 Jordach PFFT
17:26 Jordach THAT. IS. NOT. COOL.
17:27 Eater4 sapier: do you know where I can get your apartment mod?
17:27 sapier no sorry
17:28 Eater4 You lost your own mod?
17:28 PilzAdam john_minetest, pffff, who needs Irrlicht
17:28 sapier apartment isn't my mod
17:28 PilzAdam plain OpenGL is for the cool kids
17:29 Calinou <john_minetest> unity3d is awesome.
17:29 Calinou nein.
17:29 Calinou <john_minetest> To prove otherwise, do a tactical, open world FPS (ARMA clone) with great assets in irrlicht.
17:29 Calinou there are other engines than Irrlicht
17:30 PilzAdam john_minetest, how so?
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17:35 MegAFK Calinou: rejoin please
17:35 CraigyDavi Eater4, https://github.com/Sokomine/apartment
17:35 Calinou yay, the joys of running two Minetests at once
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17:37 PilzAdam [19:28:55] <john_minetest> irrlicht is way cooler than plain OpenGL
17:37 PilzAdam ^^ I meant that
17:37 PilzAdam powered by OpenGL
17:37 * MegAFK waits for Calinou and
17:37 MegAFK other people
17:37 MegAFK !up minetest.megaf.info 30005
17:37 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30005 is up (749ms)
17:40 Jordach john_minetest, i loaded a model in Irrlicht easily
17:40 Jordach i just *didn't* have patience
17:41 Calinou I don't see it in list, MegAFK
17:41 Calinou <john_minetest> PilzAdam: Unity3d is really easy to use. Everybody can make games with it.
17:41 Calinou you do need programming and art skills
17:41 Calinou if you lack one of these, expect to spend tons of money
17:41 Megaf 177.18.177.45:30005
17:41 Megaf Calinou: well, its there
17:42 Megaf http://servers.minetest.net
17:42 Megaf redis test server
17:42 Calinou john_minetest, *erm* no
17:43 Calinou non-commercial clauses are crap
17:43 Exio4 how does that matter, it is still shit in its licence and everything
17:44 Calinou ^
17:44 Calinou I was of course not talking about its biggest issue
17:53 Megaf ok, now migrating from redis to sqlite3
17:57 Megaf sapier: You're right, sqlite is faster than redis
17:57 Megaf world loads faster when using redis
17:58 sapier how is sqlite faster if world loads faster with redis?
17:58 Megaf however, is just a little faster
17:58 Megaf s/redis/sqlite
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18:06 markveidemanis Hi
18:06 * markveidemanis has IPV6
18:10 Calinou world feels slower with LevelDB too
18:10 Calinou so actually, SQLite is not so bda
18:10 Calinou bad*
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18:14 Megaf Calinou: sqlite is one of the fastest dbs out there
18:14 Megaf IF well tuned
18:14 Calinou do you use the asynchronous stuff? I don't
18:15 Calinou lol I still have invisible_stone = false entry in my minetest.conf
18:15 Calinou it's from ~2011
18:15 Calinou had enable_clouds twice
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18:17 Krock hi
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18:18 Megaf Calinou: sometimes I just drop my minetest.conf and get a new one
18:23 Megaf Calinou: Ok, now the redis server is running on a raspberry pi
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18:34 VanessaE hi
18:34 Krock hi
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18:46 Mikerhinos o/
18:47 PenguinDad /quit Be right back!
18:47 Calinou bye
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18:50 Krock wtf? chrome got very nice in the last time..blocks download from dropbox and mediafire
18:50 Calinou use Chromium
18:51 Krock chrome = chromium
18:51 PenguinDad Krock: you download blocks?
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18:52 Krock PenguinDad: blocks à 2000kb
18:52 Calinou <Krock> chrome = chromium
18:52 Calinou not true
18:52 Krock whatever I use to 99% original google chrome browser codes
18:52 Calinou and it tracks you 8)
18:53 Krock that's the 1%
18:53 Krock !tell Calinou http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php
18:53 MinetestBot Krock: I'll pass that on when Calinou is around
18:59 BlockMen <3 Iron
19:02 Krock ^^
19:03 Jordach <3 Iridium
19:04 Krock <3 Iod
19:04 PenguinDad <3 Osmium
19:04 CraigyDavi <3 Google Chrome
19:04 CraigyDavi <3 Being tracked
19:05 Krock <3 I see someone who didn't get the I-beginning-rythm
19:05 CraigyDavi <3 Oh
19:06 CraigyDavi <3 I realise I didn't realise
19:06 Krock <3 It's okay now
19:08 * Krock wonders why IE8 crashes after 20s of runtime
19:09 PenguinDad It's IE
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19:11 * sfan5 meows at PenguinDad
19:12 * EvergreenTree woofs at sfan5
19:12 * sfan5 flips EvergreenTree
19:12 * PenguinDad slaps Youtube
19:13 EvergreenTree No, you don't flip the woof, the woof flips you
19:13 * sfan5 taps EvergreenTree
19:13 * woof flips sfan5
19:13 * sfan5 taps EvergreenTree
19:14 EvergreenTree quit taken meh syrup!
19:14 sfan5 https://pay.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/259yt0/yo_mama_so_fat/chf6y93
19:16 CraigyDavi ^Is is a bad or a good thing that I don't get this joke? :)
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19:17 Krock sfan5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB9QttUKwow#t=1m38s
19:17 * Megaf is about to migrate his server to Redis
19:17 Megaf recompiling it with redis support
19:17 PenguinDad hahaha
19:18 sfan5 !title
19:18 MinetestBot sfan5: 10 Arten von Nerds - YouTube
19:18 Megaf Germans
19:20 Megaf <3 Old Opera Internet Suite (AdBlock, Mail, IRC, Web Server, Streaming Server, File Sharing, News Reader, Widgets, Extensions, Sync, Opera Turbo and MUCH MORE)
19:21 PenguinDad Opera! :O
19:22 Megaf The only closed source software worth using
19:22 Megaf 16:21:30: ACTION[main]: Migrated 500 blocks 0.0389963% completed
19:22 Megaf That's gonna take sometime
19:22 Megaf soem time*
19:23 Jordach 500 blocks, in mapblocks or nodes
19:23 Krock nodes IIRC
19:24 CraigyDavi Probably mapblocks
19:24 Megaf 16:24:13: ACTION[main]: Migrated 19000 blocks 1.48186% completed
19:24 Megaf sapier: mapblocks, blocks or nodes?
19:24 Megaf or stuff
19:24 CraigyDavi Blocks = mapblocks
19:25 Megaf so, 1 block = 16 nodes?
19:25 PenguinDad !c 16**3
19:25 MinetestBot 4096
19:25 PenguinDad ^ Megaf
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19:26 Megaf I see
19:26 Megaf what about a chunk?
19:26 Krock chunk = mapblock
19:26 PenguinDad IIRC chunk size is configurable
19:27 CraigyDavi Nodes and Blocks, different
19:27 PenguinDad !c 4096**5
19:27 MinetestBot 1152921504606846976
19:27 PenguinDad okay
19:27 Krock PenguinDad, yes it is before generating first mapblock.
19:29 PenguinDad Krock: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L390
19:29 Krock ik
19:30 Krock or in mapmeta.txt in a new world
19:41 CraigyDavi Random screeny: http://i.imgur.com/GSPdNrd.png
19:44 Jordach ..is that tower what i think that is
19:44 CraigyDavi It's this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=8932&amp;p=141374#p141374
19:44 Jordach i'd say there's something missing
19:44 CraigyDavi What's that?
19:44 Jordach something pretty damn large
19:45 CraigyDavi it's still a work in progress though
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19:47 CraigyDavi What's it missing Jordach?
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20:36 Exio4 hihi
20:37 CraigyDavi hi
20:37 Megaf hi
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20:39 Megaf oh dear
20:39 Megaf 17:20:29: ACTION[main]: Migrated 369500 blocks 28.8183% completed
20:39 Megaf 17:20:36: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: redis command 'HSET %s %s %b' failed: Server closed the connection
20:40 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix old client showing duplicated health bar on new server 6c37e89f08 2014-05-11T22:34:44+02:00 http://git.io/hKtgCw
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20:48 EvergreenTree Hi cheapie
20:48 cheapie Hi.
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21:24 EvergreenTree Hi us`0gb
21:25 us`0gb Hey EvergreenTree!
21:27 Ritchie I want to introduce my minetest startup script: http://pastebin.com/SWj3Mr84
21:29 FreeFull Any way to kill myself on the Floatlands server and respawn?
21:29 FreeFull I'm stuck falling
21:29 FreeFull Nevermind, got to land
21:30 FreeFull Very far down though
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21:44 EvergreenTree Hi AspireMint!
21:44 EvergreenTree haven't seen you for a while
21:45 AspireMint Hello :)
21:47 FreeFull I wonder why people don't use sneak elevators more
21:47 FreeFull Do they not know about them?
21:47 CraigyDavi You could just use ladders and fast mode
21:49 EvergreenTree sneak elevators don't require fast though
21:49 FreeFull Do you know who invented them?
21:49 EvergreenTree Idk
21:49 EvergreenTree it's just a bug some exploited
21:49 * FreeFull grins
21:49 FreeFull I did
21:49 EvergreenTree no one has removed it though, because no one wants to
21:49 FreeFull On celeron's server
21:50 FreeFull Although I suppose Notch thought about them when he made minecraft, and made them impossible
21:50 EvergreenTree I suppose so
21:51 FreeFull Fast ladders also presuppose you have a lot of wood
21:51 FreeFull And when making a shaft straight down, sneak elevators are better
21:52 FreeFull Fast mode ladders also make you more likely to take damage
21:52 Ritchie Hi AspireMint :)
21:52 AspireMint Nazdars :)
21:53 FreeFull Sneaking onto an edge when falling gets rid of fall damage
21:53 FreeFull So you can fall down a sneak elevator and stop right at the end
21:57 FreeFull I invented the flat sneak elevator first, the corner one came second
21:57 FreeFull I like spiral ones best
21:59 us`0gb The problem with sneak ladders is that they don't work on all servers. They only work on servers with anticheat disabled.
22:01 FreeFull Ah, I didn't know anticheat prevented them
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22:02 SoniEx2 can you hotswap mods?
22:04 FreeFull No
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22:06 SoniEx2 damn :/
22:08 kaeza evenings
22:15 FreeFull It'd be nice if a suicide command came with default
22:15 FreeFull Since if you get stuck on a server, you can be stuck permanently
22:25 sapier FreeFull: there's at least a mod to do similar thing
22:25 sapier it makes you teleport back to spawn ... better then suicide
22:25 FreeFull There is a mod
22:26 FreeFull But it's not in default game
22:26 FreeFull So you end up with a lot of servers without it
22:26 sapier true but that's a complain you should address to server owners
22:29 us`0gb FreeFull: Anticheat prevents them from being practical due to them allowing one to surpass the speed limit. So the player is repeatedly warped downward when using them.
22:29 FreeFull Ah
22:29 us`0gb There should be a suicide command by default. Otherwise, people get stuck and have to wait for help from staff.
22:30 FreeFull Agreed with us`0gb
22:30 us`0gb Even my nearly-vanilla game had it due to how vital it is.
22:31 us`0gb That and land protection, though I can see why land protection wouldn't be in by default.
22:32 FreeFull Land protection can be abused, like locked chests
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22:33 shaqb4 ?
22:33 kaeza ??
22:33 shaqb4 Do a lot of people play minetest?
22:33 blaise yes, actually
22:34 shaqb4 sweet
22:35 us`0gb FreeFull: Agreed. Locked doors as well.
22:35 FreeFull Unless the land protection is something like "admin gives you land", or "server automatically assigns you land"
22:35 shaqb4 are there any particular features that differentiate it from minecraft and other similar games, or is it pretty much a free version?
22:36 kaeza shaqb4, there are several
22:36 us`0gb Most people who play don't seem to talk on IRC shaqb4, but if you join a good server (try VanessaE's or ShadowNinja's), you'll find other players.
22:37 us`0gb Differences: freedom, an accessible API, multiple game support, maybe more.
22:37 kaeza shaqb4, it's free, it runs on older (and crappier) computers, it's free, it is easier to mod, it's free
22:37 shaqb4 lol, I'm sensing a pattern
22:37 us`0gb Yeah, being free is probably the best feature. Modify it to your heart's content!
22:39 shaqb4 Cool. I'll probably check it out then.
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22:39 sapier did someone tell the important benefit about minetest beeing free yet? ;-)
22:40 VanessaE us`0gb: hardly no one plays my servers anymore :-/
22:40 VanessaE everyone seems to be going off to other servers now
22:40 kaeza it seems once a new server appears, it gets flooded by new users
22:40 VanessaE (you know how it is, new server, everyone floods it and the rest just sorta languish in the backwaters of the server list)
22:40 VanessaE yep, ninja'd
22:41 us`0gb VanessaE: They don't? That's sad. Last time I was there there were people, but I haven't had time to build the pull request to bring my client up to standard, so I haven't been on in a while.
22:41 sapier maybe moving server spawn to some not as crowded location could help?
22:41 kaeza probably because most of these "users" are banned from everywhere anyway :P
22:41 VanessaE us`0gb: today's peak, 17 and that's because Zeno's server is down.  the other day, it didn't even break 10.
22:42 VanessaE and that's the total of 6 servers combined.
22:42 * kaeza mumbles something about a (n optional) centralized ban list
22:43 sapier hmm  I wonder if releasing a (compatible) android version to google store would help
22:43 us`0gb Only if there could be multiple ban lists to choose from. Having a single canonical one would be fine, but there should be the option to use others, just like is done with the centralized server list.
22:43 us`0gb And F-Droid!
22:44 VanessaE the problem with a blacklist is getting people removed from it who were wrongfully added
22:44 sapier and maybe we should get a new official version beeing compatible to servers ;-)
22:44 VanessaE think US "no-fly" lists
22:44 us`0gb VanessaE: Ooh, yeah. Good point.
22:45 VanessaE sapier: how far from 0.4.10-release do you figure we are?
22:46 VanessaE (seems to me we're pretty dang close now)
22:49 sapier depends if we want android support in or not
22:50 sapier my guess it without android support about 1-2 months (if we focus on fixing bugs)  ... with android support ... at least 3 months
22:53 VanessaE eep
22:55 sapier it's not about coding VanessaE but about testing, you know as good as me different android devices behave different. That's very very time consuming
22:55 VanessaE true that.
22:55 VanessaE as today's tests have shown :)
22:56 sapier yes
22:56 sapier http://animalsmod.comuf.com/downloads/Minetest-debug.apk
22:57 sapier anyone interested in supporting android port is requested to test this and report issues
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23:18 FreeFull Is there a watershed server?
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