Time Nick Message 00:00 WindHero boot time: ~3-5 s. 00:00 Exio4 my laptop booted in 7 seconds with an HDD 00:01 WindHero did it have a crapload of stuff on it yet though? 00:01 Megaf ok 00:01 WindHero before I filled up a bunch of programs, it was some 2 s. 00:01 Exio4 i did 00:01 Megaf now I could be very screwed 00:01 Megaf Just did this megaf@BigSam:~$ rm -rf * 00:01 WindHero ? 00:02 Megaf WindHero: I just wiped all my files 00:02 WindHero I was afraid that was what it meant. :( 00:03 Megaf see why I have several backups across multiple drives? 00:03 WindHero yup 00:03 WindHero gtg 00:03 Megaf cya 00:03 Exio4 you could have serval backups over multiple drivers 00:03 Exio4 drives 00:03 Exio4 and also offline backups 00:03 Exio4 but if the user is dumb. hmm, there is no fix 00:03 Megaf Exio4: that's what I do 00:04 Megaf I have 5 hard disks with off line backups 00:04 Megaf I know eventually I will wipe my data 00:04 Megaf as I just did 00:04 Megaf so best thing I could do is keep my data safe 00:05 Vazon so i think ifound it 00:06 Vazon Megaf can you try to log in 00:06 Megaf sure 00:06 Vazon thanks 00:16 Megaf Vazon: did it crash? 00:17 Vazon no 00:17 Vazon wait 00:17 Vazon mhmm ya 00:17 Vazon relog 00:17 Megaf what cause the crash? 00:18 Megaf caused* 00:18 Vazon idk it didnt tell me i believe the snow mod , its a old version and the fix i but for it back them was a crappy one and i hear 0.4.9 broke the mod so i need to remove it 00:27 Vazon its back megaf 00:34 Megaf Vazon: I'm involved with my own server issues now :P 00:42 blaise !up midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org 00:42 MinetestBot midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org:30000 seems to be down 00:42 blaise !up midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org 35000 00:42 MinetestBot midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org:35000 seems to be down 00:43 blaise =[ 00:51 SoniEx2 does minetest have note blocks? 00:54 FreeFull SoniEx2: There might some some mod for them, but it doesn't come with them 00:54 FreeFull I'd expect it'd be related to the mesecons mods 00:54 SoniEx2 uhh ok :/ 00:56 harrison minetest needs a 01,09memehopper mod 00:58 SoniEx2 does minetest have redstone? 00:59 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix error messages beeing shown on pressing cursor keys in various menus 90f0859128 2014-05-11T02:57:47+02:00 http://git.io/oQrihw 01:04 harrison 01,09mememememememememememmememememememememememememememememememememememememe 01:04 harrison 01,09 _ internet insect . 01:04 harrison 01,09 _ __ ___ ___ _ __ ___ ___ | |__ ___ _ __ _ __ ___ _ __ . 01:04 harrison 01,09 | '_ ` _ \ / _ \| '_ ` _ \ / _ \| '_ \ / _ \| '_ \| '_ \ / _ \| '__|. 01:04 harrison mememememememememememmememememememememememememememememememememememememe 01:04 harrison _ internet insect . 01:04 harrison _ __ ___ ___ _ __ ___ ___ | |__ ___ _ __ _ __ ___ _ __ . 01:04 harrison | '_ ` _ \ / _ \| '_ ` _ \ / _ \| '_ \ / _ \| '_ \| '_ \ / _ \| '__|. 01:05 harrison man 01:05 SoniEx2 does minetest have beds? 01:05 SoniEx2 I'm tired .-. 01:06 harrison you and me both 01:06 harrison -- i am tired of being repressed by the System 01:07 SoniEx2 I'm tired of assholes, I'm tired of being awake because I didn't sleep properly, I'm tired of being tired .-. 01:07 harrison Your language is not family-friendly 01:08 harrison I am also xosted but i don't go around cursing like an oaf 01:14 vazon Megaf you there? 01:15 FreeFull SoniEx2: There is at least one mod with beds 01:15 FreeFull I advise we all go sleep 01:17 Megaf vazon: maybe 01:18 vazon did the server crash again?? 01:18 Megaf vazon: mine or yours? 01:18 Megaf ~up minetest.megaf.info 30003 01:18 ShadowBot Megaf: minetest.megaf.info port 30003 is up (1509ms) 01:18 vazon mine cause I'm not home atm 01:19 Megaf ~up 75.131.40.131 01:19 ShadowBot Megaf: 75.131.40.131 port 30000 is up (808ms) 01:19 Megaf your server is up vazon 01:20 vazon mhmm the config must be messed up cause I can't see it on the server list 01:59 SoniEx2 do you guys have a build server? 02:12 Megaf I dont think so SoniEx2 02:12 Megaf why? 02:13 SoniEx2 do they want a build server? 02:32 Megaf SoniEx2: hm 02:32 Megaf maybe 02:32 Megaf way a sec please 02:33 Megaf SoniEx2: Why would you offer that? 02:33 * Megaf is nobody, just a player 03:13 Vazon !up 75.131.40.131 03:13 MinetestBot 75.131.40.131:30000 is up (134ms) 03:20 Megaf you good Vazon ? 03:22 Vazon maby :P 03:22 Vazon !up 75.131.40.131\ 03:22 MinetestBot 75.131.40.131\:30000 seems to be down 03:22 Vazon !up 75.131.40.131 03:22 Vazon .. 03:22 Vazon not going to respond? 03:22 Vazon !up 75.131.40.131 03:22 MinetestBot 75.131.40.131:30000 is up (132ms) 03:23 Vazon its not linking hte server list that is the only prob i got left 03:23 Vazon liking* 03:24 Vazon it seems to pop on and off the server list 03:24 Megaf Vazon: you compiled with curl support? 03:24 Vazon what? i dont understand 03:25 Megaf curl is a library 03:25 Megaf that a server need to tell minetest server list its on 03:25 Megaf I mean 03:26 Megaf it needs to announce itself to servers.minetest.net 03:26 Vazon o idk 03:26 Megaf hold on 03:27 Megaf Vazon: libcurl3 lua-curl-dev 03:27 Megaf install these 03:27 Megaf then recompile your server 03:28 Megaf apt-get install libcurl3 lua-curl-dev 03:28 Vazon -.- i have already recomipled it like 4 times 03:29 Megaf did you rerun cmake? 03:30 Megaf you need to rerun cmake to tell it that you cave curl 04:11 Vazon !up 75.131.40.131 04:11 MinetestBot 75.131.40.131:30000 is up (136ms) 05:22 Eater4 Vazon: you run minerealems right? 05:55 Vazon Eater you asked if i run minerealms? 05:57 Vazon Eater4? 07:22 Calinou hi 07:27 Calinou minimal game loads so fast in comparison to Carbone :s 07:29 Calinou I found a dungeon “stub” in the surface 07:29 VanessaE hey 07:29 whiskers75 Calinou: MAKE MORE OPTIMIZED 07:30 VanessaE not much you can do to speed up 2000 item/node registrations :) 07:31 VanessaE dreambuilder probably makes carbone look like minimal by comparison ;) 07:34 Calinou There are 2016 registered nodes, items and tools. 07:35 Calinou VanessaE, the limit is 32767, right? 07:35 VanessaE yeah 07:35 Calinou I remember when it used to be 2048 or even 4095, Stairs+ took a significant part of it :p 07:35 VanessaE dreambuilder has somewhere north of 6000 I think 07:36 Calinou heh, a surface dungeon goes underground using a staircase 07:37 Calinou strange, stair nodes generate only sometimes in dungeons 07:42 * sfan5 meows at whiskers75 07:48 * whiskers75 meows back 07:48 Calinou water being opaque while not digging really needs a fix 07:51 Calinou does anyone have a patch for this? 07:58 VanessaE you mean the Y axis :) 07:58 Calinou no, when digging, it's fine 07:58 Calinou when not digging, it becomes opaque 07:59 VanessaE the only opaque/non-opaqueness I've seen with water was when it would randomly flick between the two states depending on your view angle like john said, but I've never noticed a digging-related change 08:03 * markveidemanis doesn't play minetest 08:03 asie hey minetesters 08:03 asie oh man the factory mod looks so awesome 08:03 markveidemanis Hi asie! 08:04 asie also my current pack has 1400 nodes if anyone's curious 08:04 markveidemanis does it? 08:04 asie yes 08:04 asie it's not really fleshed-out tho 08:04 asie it lacks automation... a slightly stripped-down version of pipeworks and a rewrite of Jordach's tanks and the new Factory mod will probably do it though 08:06 markveidemanis I see the forums are still shit 08:08 asie markveidemanis: oh shut up they're not 08:08 asie they're the best we're going to have anyway 08:08 markveidemanis Really? 08:09 markveidemanis The punbb ones were tons better 08:09 asie oh 08:09 asie you mean the engine, not the community? 08:09 markveidemanis Yes! 08:09 asie i usually like to host forums on FluxBB, yes 08:09 * markveidemanis googles 08:09 asie i really want to launch a Minetest server in Poland 08:09 asie but nobody would play on it and it makes me sad 08:11 Calinou hi asie 08:11 asie hi Calinou 08:11 Calinou also my current pack has 1400 nodes if anyone's curious 08:11 Calinou you mean, your game? 08:11 asie yes 08:11 Calinou mine has 2016 nodes, items and tools 08:12 asie i come from minecraft, i use minecraft terminology still 08:12 Calinou (it's stated when starting server) 08:12 markveidemanis asie: Biome/Biome, Chunk/Block 08:12 asie markveidemanis: I know already 08:12 markveidemanis Block/Node 08:12 asie but I forget sometimes 08:12 Calinou pack, in Minetest terminology, is usually short for “modpack” :P 08:12 markveidemanis pack 08:12 Calinou markveidemanis, it depends, Block is widely used in the game 08:12 Calinou I use block for most non-technical descriptions 08:12 Calinou MapBlock for chunk 08:13 markveidemanis Or cube... 08:13 markveidemanis Voxel if you want to get technical :P 08:13 Calinou eg. “Coal Block” :P 08:13 asie it still makes me sad that running a Minetest server in Poland is out of the question 08:13 asie everyone plays Minecraft... /pirated/ Minecraft, at that 08:17 markveidemanis https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=31 08:18 asie markveidemanis: 150 posts in 2.5 years 08:19 asie by about 10 people 08:19 markveidemanis Not so bad 08:19 asie most of which stopped posting ages ago 08:19 markveidemanis It doesn't matter where your server is 08:19 markveidemanis Anyone can still connect to it] 08:20 asie yes but 08:20 asie it's not the same 08:23 VanessaE bbl 08:31 Calinou bye 08:31 Calinou it still makes me sad that running a Minetest server in Poland is out of the question 08:31 Calinou why? 08:31 asie userbase is non-existent 08:31 asie everyone pirates Minecraft 08:31 Calinou play with non-Polish people then 08:32 Calinou there aren't much French people either 08:32 asie it's not the same is the problem 08:32 asie :P 08:45 asie no, it's more like everyone ostensibly steals bikes from the bike shop 08:45 asie and you know you won't sell cars because not even bikes sell, even if the cars are much cheaper they'll just keep stealing bikes 08:45 asie as that's simpler 08:45 asie also everyone uses bikes, why would anyone use a car if they'd just be mocked by the bike users association 08:45 asie who keep saying bikes are superior and have many people to advertise bikes 08:46 asie but that's essentially what happens here 08:46 asie you have a few let's players who literally decide what's cool right now 08:46 asie and everyone following the trends 08:47 asie john_minetest: why don't they tell me they'd like a car then? 08:47 asie everyone seems perfectly fine with bikes 08:48 asie nobody evver mentioned "hey, cars are cool" 08:48 asie "why don't we have cars?" 08:48 asie everyone keeps riding bikes and keeps trying to turn their bike into a car 08:48 asie but they wouldn't use a car because it's not a bike 08:48 asie yeah 08:48 asie latest stats show 94% of Polish internet users pirate on a regular basis 08:49 asie not even kidding 08:49 asie do you think most of them care about whether it's legal or not? 08:50 * markveidemanis feels bad 08:51 asie john_minetest: Hah. 08:51 asie But most people in Poland don't even care about who made the bike 08:51 asie as long as it is a bike 08:51 asie that's the problem 08:51 asie the only guy who seems to get credit is Zyczu, the maintainer of the most popular pirated launcher 08:51 asie most popular because it keeps working 08:52 asie I did tell my friends 08:52 asie they said exactly what I said above 08:52 asie they want to keep playing Minecraft because it's "better" 08:53 asie even if I tried to prove to them cars are better they didn't care, the biggest complaint was that it doesn't look like a bike 08:54 asie that is, the textures are "worse" 08:58 asie "modding your bike is nearly impossible" 08:58 asie it is perfectly possible, i modded bikes a while back 08:58 asie but the problem is every half a year a new bike gets released 08:58 asie everyone flocks to it because it's new, but the only thing that changes is the coating 08:58 asie and the entire internal structure 08:59 asie so you need to mod it all over again 08:59 asie and you can't be the voice of reason and say "we've had enough changes, let's stay to the old model of bikes" 08:59 asie because everyone will ignore you because IT'S A NEW BIKE 08:59 asie that's why i came here 08:59 asie they said they will remotely stop the old bikes from working if we don't move to the new bikes, even, in an IRC conversation 09:00 asie Mojang seems to be eerily similar in ways of work to Apple nowadays 09:01 asie The best way to do it would be to make YouTube videos of the car 09:01 asie I guess. 09:01 asie anyway, afk 09:08 Ritchie Hi, I have problem compiling minetest.. I did git pull to actual version and make ended with error, something with JThread 09:08 Ritchie /minetest/src/jthread/pthread/jthread.cpp:196:11: error: ‘class JThread’ has no member named ‘runningmutex’ 09:09 Ritchie there are more similar lines 09:09 Ritchie /minetest/src/jthread/pthread/jthread.cpp:57:2: error: ‘runningmutex’ was not declared in this scope 09:14 sfan5 Ritchie: which os? 09:29 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 09:32 jin_xi Hi PilzAdam 09:34 sfan5 hi PilzAdam 09:49 Ritchie sfan5: linux 09:49 sfan5 linux what? 09:49 Ritchie debian 09:50 Ritchie wheezy 09:53 sfan5 g++ version? 09:53 Ritchie g++ (Debian 4.7.2-5) 4.7.2 09:53 sfan5 ^ Ritchie 09:54 sfan5 that should be good enough 09:54 sfan5 hm 09:54 sfan5 file an issue on github 09:54 Ritchie I got it maybe.. I am compiling in copied folder that has another name than original folder 09:55 sfan5 that could be the problem 09:55 sfan5 you need to re-run cmake then 09:55 Ritchie patches in cmakefiles are wrong 09:55 sfan5 patches? 09:56 Ritchie how to say it.. names of folder 10:10 Ritchie yes you are right 10:10 Ritchie they are from the Czech republic, same as me :) 10:13 Ritchie you can tell many commands to other team mates via radio 10:15 Ritchie sfan5: I tried to compile updated minetest with proper folder name and it was successfully built 10:15 Ritchie sfan5: thank you for help 10:15 sfan5 no problem 10:16 Ritchie did you notice that LuaJIT has new version since March? 10:17 sfan5 me? why are you asking? 10:19 Ritchie i meant this question to whole channel.. i noticed it now, LuaJIT has some bugfixes 10:21 Calinou ARMA takes 40 minutes to play at least and needs very good hardware 10:21 Calinou it's insanely demanding, thus a bad example 10:22 PenguinDad Minetest has big enough worlds for tactical shooters :P 10:27 arsdragonfly VanessaE: I'm using your lua profiler and it's giving me negative number of time. What's wrong with that? 10:40 sapier hello does anyone know a game replacing the hudbar selection by an image? 10:42 PenguinDad sapier: minetest_next and carbone do that 10:42 sapier thanks 11:04 PenguinDad mapgen does interesting things in carbone https://cdn.mediacru.sh/hZLk5WS7Cs4i.png 11:25 FreeFull PenguinDad: Looks like a collision between three biomes all flying at each other 11:27 Calinou there are two biomes in v6 11:27 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix incorrect scaling of customized hud item selection marker b16cbba21a 2014-05-11T13:26:23+02:00 http://git.io/axCKKA 11:28 Calinou FreeFull, this is a desert dungeon 11:28 sfan5 PenguinDad: those are desert dungeons 11:28 FreeFull Calinou: Ah 11:29 FreeFull I'd love to see more stuff in minetest that you'd never see in minecraft 11:30 sfan5 write a mod 11:30 sfan5 that does that 11:31 FreeFull You need a good idea first though 11:32 sfan5 chest and mob spawners for dungeons 11:32 PenguinDad the interesting thing is I can find desert dungeon in other biomes too 11:33 sfan5 are you sure? 11:33 sfan5 desert dungeons always have 2 block wide hallways & use desert stone 11:34 PenguinDad I've seen them in jungles too 11:34 sfan5 jungles can override any biome 11:34 sfan5 you can find both in them 12:00 hoodedice Is there a way to get an older server map from the client side 12:02 PenguinDad Minetest - The elder maps :D 12:03 Calinou I'd love to see more stuff in minetest that you'd never see in Minecraft 12:03 Calinou happens quite a bit in Carbone already 12:03 Calinou coins, different dungeons and mobs, air springs in caves… 12:04 Calinou hoodedice, no, you would only be able to download current version 12:06 FreeFull Air springs? 12:07 markveidemanis HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 12:07 markveidemanis shit 12:08 markveidemanis these user-defined commands are fucking annoying 12:08 PenguinDad This makes no sense O_o 12:09 PenguinDad When I resize my firefox all youtube videos reload 12:10 FreeFull Carbone is interesting 12:10 FreeFull PenguinDad: Odd 12:11 PenguinDad john_minetest: I don't have flash either ;) 12:11 * markveidemanis is hosting an irc server on 81.135.40.162 6667 12:11 markveidemanis or sslv.tk is the fucking dns works 12:14 markveidemanis Ping reply from ChanServ: 13.71 second(s) 12:17 PenguinDad nothing like that only the html5 player 12:19 hoodedice Say, what exactly is pointed_thing, and "above" and "under"? 12:20 sfan5 hoodedice: above is where the node would be when you place one, under is the node in the black outline 12:21 hoodedice okay, and pointed thing is the exact location of the mouse pointer? 12:21 sfan5 no 12:21 sfan5 pointed_thing has nothing to do with the mouse 12:21 hoodedice That is confusing 12:22 sfan5 pointed_thing is for nodes 12:22 hoodedice ah, that makes sense 12:22 PenguinDad hoodedice: pointed_thing is a table 12:24 hoodedice I hate to be that person, but I still dunno how do you define a table, and how do you put values in it, and how to call those values? 12:25 hoodedice But I won't bother anyone, and just peruse the pil and the dev wiki 12:26 sfan5 t = {a=1, fct=function(a) return (a * a) - a end}; t.a => 1; t.fct => [function]; t.fct(3) => 6 12:26 sfan5 ^ hoodedice 12:26 hoodedice so, anything within {} is a table? 12:27 sfan5 yes 12:27 sfan5 no 12:27 sfan5 anything within { and } are the values in the table 12:28 hoodedice okay, got it 12:28 hoodedice This increases my lua xp by 9000 =D 12:28 jin_xi its not lua until there's a table 12:30 hoodedice Hey yo john_minetest 12:30 hoodedice Oops 12:30 Jordach trololol 12:30 hoodedice Jordach 12:32 * Jordach missed the amplified audio from his desktop 12:34 hoodedice I would think that there is a way to stop generation of a map from the client side, when the map has generated to a certain extent 12:35 sapier no there ain't a way to do this and if it was it'd be a quite severe bug 12:35 hoodedice By modding 12:35 hoodedice ^Forgot to add that to my question =P 12:36 sapier you could argue about "mods" beeing smarter then core itself, but at least it's not as insane as giving client chance to stop map generation on server 12:37 hoodedice I am talking on server side; but does this mean that such a mod is possible? 12:37 sapier no 12:37 sapier what'd be your usecase? 12:37 hoodedice performance considerations 12:37 hoodedice gameplay 12:38 hoodedice There are usecases for 5000x5000x5000 maps 12:38 sapier those are just buzzwords 12:38 hoodedice How about I make a game with 25 always active entities 12:38 markveidemanis sfan5: does /ctcp markveidemanis BLARG do anything? 12:38 hoodedice And allow them to roam around and generate the map, as if they were human players 12:38 Jordach yes 12:38 sfan5 no 12:38 Jordach it just shows the ctcp command 12:39 sapier performance isn't a valid reason as size of map shouldn't have an effect on performance as long as there aren't players all over the map 12:39 hoodedice ^I'm looking at that very scenario 12:39 sapier but yes adding a mapsize limitiation may be a interesting gameplay scenario 12:40 sapier hoodedice: if you make those entities this is considered your fault, entity map loading was added with explicit warning not to abuse it 12:40 sapier was it even added? 12:41 hoodedice Well, this custom game that I *might* make will heavily use entity map loading, and it is not possible to realise it otherwise 12:41 sapier and as far as I remember we agreed on adding a setting to force disable entity based maploading by server config 12:41 Jordach b-b-b-b-b-b-but carts would work properly! 12:42 hoodedice That's okay - I don't care if the end user breaks the game by messing around with server configs 12:42 sapier everytime I read "it is not possible to" ... I understand "I don't want to spend additional time on finding a better solution" ... that's true for me too ;-P 12:42 hoodedice As long as I do it correctly, everything is fine 12:42 sapier then do it correct hoodedice ;-) 12:42 hoodedice XD 12:43 hoodedice I don't even know the zwizzing syntax, and just found out how to define a table. 12:43 sapier everything else is just hiding bugs 12:43 hoodedice XD 12:43 Jordach hoodedice, var = {} and then for i=1, 4000 do var[i]={} 12:43 Jordach makes a 2d array 12:44 hoodedice Ik Jordach, sfan told me 12:44 Jordach bit hax, ain't it :D 12:44 hoodedice ya 12:44 hoodedice But is that the only way to define an array? 12:44 hoodedice Also, how would you call the 2534th value from it? 12:45 sfan5 john_minetest: uh no 12:45 hoodedice I think you would define if i = 2534; newvar = var 12:45 sfan5 ^ Jordach* 12:45 Jordach hoodedice, var[2534] = value 12:46 sfan5 john_minetest: not you; here's a kitten: http://i.imgur.com/qNBpvF3.jpg 12:46 * jin_xi has a kitten on the keyboard 12:46 * sfan5 meows at jin_xi 12:47 * jin_xi is meowed at a lot 12:47 * sfan5 purrs at jin_xi 12:47 * jin_xi pets sfan5 12:48 * sfan5 curls up to jin_xi's lap 12:48 * hoodedice kicks both of the 12:48 hoodedice s/the/them 12:48 sfan5[Mac] meow 12:48 BerBerM ASDASDASDASDASDASDASDASD 12:48 hoodedice =O mac? 12:48 hoodedice why?! 12:48 sfan5[Mac] because compiling stuff for iOS 12:49 hoodedice ffmpeg? 12:49 sfan5[Mac] yes that too 12:50 PenguinDad sfan5 is on a Mackey :D 12:52 hoodedice Still don't have many followers on twiiter =/ 12:54 GhostDoge[Linux] yay! 13:00 hoodedice in a "function (a, b, c)" 13:01 hoodedice a, b, c are called arguments. Is that just a fancy way of saying "variables"? 13:01 sfan5[Mac] yes 13:02 Jordach and they are only local to that function 13:02 hoodedice so, it "function (a)" the same as "function(); local a == nil"? 13:03 sfan5 no 13:03 sfan5 if you call that function with an argument 'a' will have that value 13:04 sfan5 function(a) print(a) end; a() => 'nil' is printed; a(1234) => '1234' is printed 13:04 hoodedice ah, so 'a' would be global? Or just local to the file with the function? 13:05 sfan5 local to the function 13:06 hoodedice Got it. 13:16 hoodedice bbl 13:18 [PavelS] Hello, all. I have a trouble. I use "local item = clicker:get_wielded_item()" in on_rightclick entity callback and then "item:take_item()", but it don`t work. the item is on it place. What I do wrong? 13:18 Jordach remove the local part (i've never used locals in my mods ever) 13:20 PenguinDad what was the difference between pairs() and ipairs() agaon? 13:20 PenguinDad s/agaon/again/ 13:20 * Jordach doesn't remember :OP 13:20 Jordach -P 13:21 [PavelS] removing locals do not help =( "clicker:get_wielded_item():take_item()" 13:23 CraigyDavi People of minetest I need your opinion. Fix this, or leave it as it is: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1294 13:25 CraigyDavi It was added recently, and I think it's bad 13:27 [PavelS] May be just add note like "Your message was truncated" 13:28 CraigyDavi Yes that would be good, I was unaware that other people could not see the whole of my message 13:34 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix invalid cast fix resulting in chat messages beeing limited to 256 bytes 5c6cf630de 2014-05-11T15:32:15+02:00 http://git.io/yAiexw 13:35 * Jordach claps 13:35 Jordach won't fix my ass 13:39 kahrl it won't; it's not a proctologist 13:47 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Send max number of characters instead of asserting in case of too long chat messages 167df02e3d 2014-05-11T15:39:38+02:00 http://git.io/u0wvOg 13:47 Jordach CraigyDavi, ^ 13:48 CraigyDavi \o/ 13:52 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/IHfRQ-3ZucEs.png :D 13:52 Jordach nearly done! 13:53 harrison 01,04.............WALRUSCH.&.SEELEY.............. 13:53 harrison 01,04..............Marine Dry Goods.............. 13:53 harrison 01,04.....mackerel.repellent..rigging.soffits.... 13:53 harrison 01,04..cod.ballast..hardtack..brined.victuals.... 13:53 harrison 01,04...voyaging.emphemera..semipolar.gristle.... 13:53 Jordach thank fuck 13:54 Jordach ShadowBot, ban pl0x 13:54 Tiktalik 09stop that harrison, we like having eyes 13:54 pi4 harrison: stop with that already 13:54 pi4 nobody likes that 13:54 Jordach everyone continue bitching 13:54 Jordach gives the staff more reasons to kill him 13:54 pi4 Good morning everyone 13:54 harrison .............WALRUSCH.&.SEELEY.............. 13:54 harrison ..............Marine Dry Goods.............. 13:55 harrison .....mackerel.repellent..rigging.soffits.... 13:55 Tiktalik better 13:55 Tiktalik but just stop 13:55 Tiktalik this isn't runescape 13:55 Megaf ShadowNinja: Can't you ban harrison ? 13:55 harrison i only wanted to be accepted 13:55 Megaf LazyJ: Hi there 13:55 harrison is that so wrong? 13:56 Megaf harrison: So don't flood 13:56 Megaf Just don't 13:56 sapier megaf don't feed the troll 13:56 Megaf sapier: I like to live dengousrly (How the heck do I spell that?) 13:57 Exio4 dangerwjdifusdfgsdf 13:57 sapier dangerously ... but I'm not a native too 13:57 Amaz_ Dangerously. 13:57 Exio4 :D 13:57 Exio4 hi people 13:58 Exio4 long time no see ^^ 13:58 harrison ......memehopper.approved.retailer.......... 13:59 Megaf Exio4: heh 13:59 Megaf Thanks sapier and Amaz_ 13:59 Amaz_ No problem! 13:59 Exio4 when i'm not sure if i spelled a word correctly, i use google translate 14:00 Exio4 if i translate it back to spanish and makes sense, it must be the wrong word or something 14:00 Amaz_ (At first I couldn't think what you were saying thanks for!) 14:00 Megaf Amaz_: heh, well, I hope you do now 14:00 Amaz_ Yep! 14:00 Megaf because you spelled it to me 14:02 Megaf sapier: today I'm doing some tests with redis database server on a different server than minetest server is running, I hope that will speed up world loading to clients time 14:02 Exio4 Megaf: where are you from? 14:02 Megaf Hi Vazon, hows your server today? LazyJ is around! 14:02 Exio4 (dat english ^) 14:02 Vazon its great and :D finally 14:02 sapier Megaf: theroeticaly that's gonna cause a slowdown ... but you'll see 14:03 Vazon sapier 14:03 Megaf sapier: Why would it? 14:03 PenguinDad Megaf: lag 14:03 sapier network communication is always slower then disk access 14:03 sapier unless your server was overloaded you'd not have any benefti 14:03 Megaf sapier: what if disk access on the server is really slow 14:04 sapier what if disk access on redis server is slow? 14:04 sapier comparing different disks isn't really what you wanna do, is it? 14:05 Megaf nope, the disk where mineteserver runs is really slow, and I'm using sqlite 14:05 Megaf so, I will see if things get better if I use redis server, redis running on other server with faster disk 14:05 sapier well in this case it's a very very very specific test to your personal setup 14:05 sapier the result won't be of any worth for others 14:06 Megaf well, Why would one use redis if not to run it on a different computer? 14:06 sapier why don't you just put the fast disk in your server ;-) this way you don't have the redis network overhead 14:06 Megaf sapier: "my case is very specific" 14:06 sapier ok :-) 14:07 Megaf to begin with, it's an ARM board, and the botleneck is the Class 4 SD card I'm using as storage 14:07 sapier ahh sorry :-) should've thought about this :-) 14:08 sapier btw what's benefit of using a low power arm if you have to run a separate server for database? :-) 14:08 Megaf So there's really almost no lag on CPU side, it just got 6 seconds of IO wait 14:08 Megaf sapier: the separe server will use even less power 14:08 Megaf but with my faster storage 14:09 sapier well give it a try it's almost impossible to predict what's gonna happen in this strange setup ;-) 14:09 Megaf I think my minetest server is suing at most 5 watts and the new redis server will use at ost 4 watts 14:09 Megaf still lower power usage that an Intel Atom alone 14:09 Megaf than* 14:09 sapier not sure about that, but it's your setup 14:10 Megaf well, first I'm comparing performance on PC hardware 14:10 Megaf sqlite vs redis on different server 14:11 Megaf then I will test on my real server 14:11 sapier use same settings for sqlite as you do for redis 14:11 sapier eg. if you run sqlite in sync mode do this for redis too 14:11 Megaf I will 14:16 Vazon sapier 14:16 sapier how may I help you Vazon? 14:17 Vazon ok so when we did all that stuff yesterday and my minetest version is to 0.4.9dev it broke the mod ServerExtended and it crashes when a new person joins but it works fine on 0.4.9 stable, is there anyway to fix this? 14:18 Vazon i have used that mod for a long time and i love using it. 14:18 whiskers75 sapier: you got another mt android build? 14:18 sapier not yet whiskers75 14:19 sapier Vazon: you still don't have additional error information? can you post a link to that mod and how to reproduce the crash? 14:19 Vazon that the thing it never gives me one, with any crash i never geta error report 14:20 LazyJ Howdy, Megaf ;) A bit late, but I'm juggling a few other chat's atm. I hide under a rock for a few days and "boom!" as soon as I pop out. ;)- 14:20 Megaf LazyJ: Hey there, How are things? 14:20 sapier ok just write an issue describe how to reproduce and add a link to the mod causing it 14:20 Vazon ok 14:20 sapier if a mod is reason for crash there has to be a crash report 14:20 Megaf It's good to hide under a rock sometimes :) 14:20 Vazon well where would it be? 14:21 Vazon it doesnt give me one in the terminal 14:21 sapier that's the bug, 14:21 sapier there should be a report 14:21 Megaf Vazon: you may change the amount of info that minetest put on debug.txt 14:21 Megaf debug level option in minetest.conf 14:21 Vazon megaf i dont get any debug xD 14:22 Megaf You really should 14:22 Vazon nope :/ 14:22 sapier whiskers75: I can't do a android build right now because recent commits to master broke various things 14:22 whiskers75 D; 14:23 CraigyDavi Vazon, it should show the info about the crash in debug.txt 14:24 sapier CraigyDavi: true .. it SHOULD ... but it doesn't do that 14:24 Megaf it would if Vazon changes the debug level in minetest.conf 14:25 sapier no Megaf errors should be there in default level 14:26 CraigyDavi Vazon, try disabling seperate parts of the mod. First check if the se_startup loads 14:26 sapier actually a mod error should even bring up a error message 14:26 Megaf sapier: what if he set it to don't write anything? 14:26 Megaf like, debug level 0 14:27 sapier for what I remember on looking at his log yesterday it's default ;-) 14:28 Vazon ok so there was no debug.txt maby it got deleted or idk but i just created one and added the mod back in so hold on 14:30 Megaf Vazon: it should be on the minetestestfolder/bin/ 14:30 Mimilus is it possible to use minenest_next default doors in a mod with minetest game without removing minetest game 14:31 sapier no he uses vanessae's restart script changeing the log file 14:31 CraigyDavi What do you mean Mimilus? 14:32 Mimilus I would to use doors from minetest next just for some doors in a mod but a would like to use old minetest game 14:33 CraigyDavi Just replace doors mod in minetest_game with the doors mod in minetest_next 14:33 Mimilus with original doors function from minetest game for some other doors 14:34 CraigyDavi I think minetest_next still uses the same functions, it should be compatible 14:35 Mimilus yes but there is sound with minetest next doors 14:36 Mimilus if a made a local copy of minetest next doors function to a lua file file in my mod folder it doesn't work 14:36 Vazon -.- i quit... now even when i have the mod turned on it does nothing 14:37 CraigyDavi Vazon, try using just se_api and see if that works. then try adding the other mods in the modpack 14:37 CraigyDavi Mimilus, what's the error? 14:37 Vazon Craigy the mod not even turning on 14:38 CraigyDavi Vazon, is the modpack in the mods folder? Or inside minetest_game? 14:38 Vazon mods 14:38 Vazon they all have dependences for each other i cant just turn on one 14:39 CraigyDavi I haev found the modpacks sometimes don't work when putting them in the mod folder. Put the mod instead into games/minetest_game/mods 14:39 Vazon what difference does that make -.- 14:40 PenguinDad CraigyDavi: that's a dirty way :O 14:40 CraigyDavi Modpacks sometimes don't become enabled when using the GUI. If you place them into minetest_game it means it WILL be loaded 14:41 PenguinDad Vazon: how's the modpack called? 14:42 Vazon ServerExtended 14:43 CraigyDavi Remove caps. 14:43 PenguinDad is there a folder called ServerExtended in ServerExtended? 14:43 Vazon no 14:44 Jordach wtf AMD 14:44 Vazon ? 14:44 Jordach >install fglrx >OpenGL 4.4 >Steam reports OpenGL 1.4 14:45 CraigyDavi Vazon, Mods/Modpacks don't work if they haev capital letters in the name 14:45 Vazon they have before 14:45 Vazon but ok 14:45 CraigyDavi Capital letters in mods/modpacks don't work on Linux, they work on windows though. 14:46 CraigyDavi You transfered server to Linux recently? 14:46 PenguinDad CraigyDavi: they work on linux 14:46 Vazon yes...... 14:46 * Vazon feels no so smart anymore 14:46 Vazon not* 14:47 CraigyDavi Does it work now? 14:47 Vazon hold on 14:48 Vazon no 14:48 Vazon it doesnt 14:49 CraigyDavi Move the modpack into minetest_game. Otherwise, I'm out of ideas. 14:49 sapier Vazon please try to create a minimum set of mods required to cause the bug 14:49 Vazon well i need the mod to turn on first -.- it wont turn on 14:50 CraigyDavi Vazon, if you put the modpack into minetest_game it will turn on automatically 14:50 Megaf What's the CMAKE thing to enable REDIS again? 14:50 Megaf cmake . -LH doesnt always show all options 14:50 Megaf I don't know why 14:54 Vazon ok i got the crash 14:54 CraigyDavi Ok what's the crash? 14:55 Megaf "-- redis backend enabled" 14:55 Megaf And we are ready to rock! 14:56 Vazon pastebin.com/jaeD3r8j that is all it gave me when it crashed 14:57 Megaf There's no crash there 14:57 CraigyDavi Eh? Where's the crash? 14:57 Vazon exactly 14:57 Megaf Vazon: disable doors mod 14:57 Vazon the terminal just freezes 14:58 Vazon doors mod isnt the problem, its been in there from day one and works fine 14:58 CraigyDavi aaron seems to cause the crash. What privs are you giving to him? 14:59 Vazon no its when i logged in 14:59 Vazon one a new person 14:59 Vazon hes fine 14:59 Vazon as soon as it says spawn point it just dies 15:00 CraigyDavi So it's aproblem with new people joining? 15:01 Vazon yes and if i remeove the serverextended mod, its fine 15:01 Vazon and it worked fine till i moved to 0.4.9 dev from 0.4.9 stable 15:01 sfan5 uhh 15:01 sfan5 ShadowNinja: why is is doing that? 15:02 sfan5 s/is it/are you/ 15:02 CraigyDavi Vazon, can you check what privs are given to new players in the config? 15:02 Vazon yes its just shout 15:02 Vazon let me double check 15:02 ShadowNinja sfan5: It's me. 15:03 sfan5 why? 15:03 ShadowNinja sfan5: For repeated flooding. 15:03 sfan5 ah 15:03 PenguinDad harrison didn't do anything except being the memehopper :( 15:03 Jordach THERE 15:03 Vazon ya server extended just has shout just like the minetest.config 15:03 Jordach tf2 works 15:03 Jordach AMD BETA driver ftw 15:04 CraigyDavi Vazon, have you set a static spawnpoint in minetest.conf? 15:05 Vazon yes 15:06 CraigyDavi Vazon, go to se_admin_tools and remove/comment out this part of the file: https://github.com/Traxie21/ServerExtended--Unstable-/blob/master/se_admin_tools/init.lua#L169-L178 15:06 Vazon i just saw that xD was getting ready to 15:07 CraigyDavi If you have already set a static spawnpoint you don't need that. And it might cause problems 15:07 Vazon ya i thought the same 15:07 Vazon let me try now 15:08 CraigyDavi If it still causes errors then comment out this: https://github.com/Traxie21/ServerExtended--Unstable-/blob/aea5cc37af42ac6792e7f34de68c5616f781cf44/se_startup/init.lua#L89-L92 15:09 Megaf john_minetest: That's nice 15:09 Megaf I'd like to take a photo like that 15:09 Megaf maybe on day I will 15:10 Jordach !up minetest.megaf.info 30003 15:10 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 seems to be down 15:10 Jordach pfft 15:10 Megaf oops 15:10 Jordach one fucking time i wanna check if it works correcrlyt 15:10 Jordach correctly * 15:11 Megaf 23:58:25: ERROR[ConnectionSend]: con(4/1)RunTimeouts(): Peer 128 has timed out. (source=peer->timeout_counter) 15:11 Megaf 23:58:25: ERROR[ConnectionSend]: con(4/1)RunTimeouts(): Peer 169 has timed out. (source=peer->timeout_counter) 15:11 Megaf user@odroidu2:~/Minetest/minetest/bin$ 15:11 Megaf yep 15:11 Megaf just crashed 15:11 Megaf and with no reason 15:11 Jordach i'm not even mad 15:11 Megaf minetest is not reliable at all 15:11 Jordach i'm impressed 15:11 PenguinDad !up servercra.sh 15:11 MinetestBot servercra.sh:30000 seems to be down 15:12 Jordach !up minetest.megaf.info 30003 15:12 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (407ms) 15:12 Megaf Jordach: I'm having issues with world loading time, and that's causing apparent lag of up to 6 seconds 15:12 Vazon Thanks Crairy the second one fixed it 15:13 Vazon Craigy* 15:15 CraigyDavi Great, glad i could help 15:15 CraigyDavi !next 15:15 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next! 15:16 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/uV6lra8Wa5Yp.png anyone noticed a broken few pixels to the left of the window? 15:18 CraigyDavi I don't notice anything 15:18 Vazon i did 15:18 Vazon was you turning when you took that? 15:18 PenguinDad eew unity and no 15:19 FreeFull My minetest's debug.log is almost 1GB o.o 15:20 Vazon they get pretty big 15:20 CraigyDavi Wow thats big, I always clear it out 15:20 Vazon my was very big in december like 2GB i believe 15:22 CraigyDavi Rollback logs need to be cleared regularly, when mine reached 5GB you could not rollback without lagging the server 15:23 FreeFull The fracture mod is fun 15:23 Vazon fracture? 15:24 CraigyDavi Fracture: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9175 15:24 Vazon that looks like a pain 15:24 Vazon to navigate 15:25 CraigyDavi It's actually rather easy 15:25 CraigyDavi This server uses it: 15:26 CraigyDavi !server Floatlands 15:26 MinetestBot CraigyDavi: Floatlands survival server | sfan5.duckdns.org:30005 | Clients: 2/15, 4 | Version: 0.4.9-dev | ping: 0.124 15:26 FreeFull It isn't 15:26 CraigyDavi Well maybe because I used super fast and no damage :) 15:26 FreeFull I'm not sure how to get saplings though 15:27 MinetestBot john_minetest: VanessaE's mostly-vanilla minetest_game server | digitalaudioconcepts.com:30005 | Clients: 4/50, 43 | Version: 0.4.9-dev | ping: 0.097 15:27 FreeFull Leaves aren't decaying or dropping saplings when I break them 15:27 MinetestBot john_minetest: Onez' Minetest Server | mtzeno.com | Clients: 23/25, 25 | Version: 0.4.9-dev | ping: 0.174 15:27 FreeFull The grass looks funny but I like it 15:28 Vazon i wish i could get my server ip to minerealms somthing :/ 15:28 PenguinDad !server players:42 15:28 MinetestBot PenguinDad: No results 15:28 PenguinDad !server 42 15:28 MinetestBot PenguinDad: No results 15:30 CraigyDavi Vazon, I could offer you minerealms.24tails.com. But not at the moment as the configoration seems to have messed up 15:31 Vazon that soulds like hosting :/ i would like to keep it on my computer for the itme being 15:31 Vazon time* 15:32 CraigyDavi It's not hosting. All you do is go to a link and then it syncs the IP with the domain 15:32 Vazon really? 15:32 CraigyDavi Yes 15:32 Vazon o ok 15:33 FreeFull Grar, how do I get saplings 15:33 FreeFull No decay, no saplings on leaf break, no crafting 15:35 FreeFull Not even cobblestone, when you mine you get stone o.o 15:47 * CraigyDavi is making a new minetest game called simpletest using the simplepixels texture pack 15:48 sfan5 CraigyDavi: rename 'default' to 'simpledefault' 15:48 sfan5 and add a "Simple" in front of ever description 15:49 CraigyDavi Why? 15:51 CraigyDavi If you are using the game you would be assuming that everything would be simple :) 16:05 Hunterz will be possible add chest and door lock to advanced area protection mod? 16:05 Eater4 Hm..... 16:05 Eater4 Possibly... 16:05 Hunterz now this mod protect only build/destroy node 16:06 Eater4 Idk: ask ShadowNinja 16:06 Eater4 Cheapie 16:06 cheapie Hi. 16:06 Eater4 Is it possible to add a door lock to the protection mod 16:06 cheapie Possibly. Ask ShadowNinja. 16:08 Hunterz thx i will wait to reply :) 16:10 FreeFull The waving leaves shader lets you walk through leaf blocks. Odd 16:10 FreeFull Unless it's Carbone that does 16:12 PenguinDad FreeFull: it's carbone which does that 16:12 FreeFull It's Carbone 16:12 FreeFull Odd, because you can't see anything inside leaf blocks either 16:12 PenguinDad have you enabled fancy trees? 16:14 FreeFull No 16:14 FreeFull I don't have fancy trees 16:14 FreeFull Oh, wait, I know what you mean 16:14 FreeFull Nope, I like solid leaf blocks 16:14 FreeFull I suppose that's it 16:15 FreeFull Completely forgot that existed 16:17 PenguinDad I personally prefer glasslike or plantlike leaves 16:18 Vazon Eater4 16:19 Eater4 Yes Vazon 16:20 Vazon last night you asked if i own Minerealms when i was afk 16:22 Vazon mhmm i stumbled on to the old map of my server.... im still depating wether to try to see it its still viable 16:31 CraigyDavi I'm sure people would be more happy if you used the old map 16:44 Mikerhinos hi 16:44 PenguinDad hello Mikerhinos! 16:47 sapier Vazon: did you manage to get a usefull error message from that mod yet? 16:48 Vazon its fixed sapier it was just coding errors that dont corrispond with 0.4.9 dev 16:48 Vazon https://github.com/Traxie21/ServerExtended--Unstable-/blob/aea5cc37af42ac6792e7f34de68c5616f781cf44/se_startup/init.lua#L89-L92 16:48 Vazon https://github.com/Traxie21/ServerExtended--Unstable-/blob/master/se_admin_tools/init.lua#L169-L178 16:49 Vazon that is what i removed and it fixed it 16:49 sapier Vazon still there should be an error message 16:49 Vazon thanks to craigydave 16:49 Vazon no there was never a error message it just froze 16:49 sapier that's a bug, it's supposed to show up a bug there 16:50 Calinou hi Mikerhinos 16:50 Calinou Mikerhinos, #minetest-fr 16:50 Jordach heyt Calinou 16:50 Jordach -t 16:50 Vazon sapier this is all the debug gave me at the crash 16:50 Vazon pastebin.com/jaeD3r8j 16:52 sapier there should be a telling error message, how are you supposed to find that error? 16:53 Vazon you cant wit hout it being fixed :| 16:53 sapier well if we don't track it down now next one has to do same 16:53 sapier can you give me a link to the code causing the error? 16:54 Vazon yes i understand and its in the links above, the highlighted area cause the crash 16:54 PenguinDad https://github.com/Traxie21/ServerExtended--Unstable-/blob/aea5cc37af42ac6792e7f34de68c5616f781cf44/se_startup/init.lua#L89-L92 16:54 MegAFK !up minetest.megaf.info 30005 16:54 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30005 is up (971ms) 16:54 PenguinDad https://github.com/Traxie21/ServerExtended--Unstable-/blob/master/se_admin_tools/init.lua#L169-L178 16:54 PenguinDad ^ sapier 16:55 sapier PenguinDad: isn't this te fixed version? 16:56 PenguinDad that is what i removed and it fixed it 16:56 MegAFK folks, I need you test this minetest.megaf.info 30005 16:56 MegAFK just tell me about delays and lag 16:56 MegAFK mapgen 16:56 MegAFK that info really matter 16:56 MegAFK its just a test case 16:57 Vazon ok 17:02 Vazon well it wasnt laggy megaf 17:04 MegAFK Vazon: I need the max_lag info from /status 17:04 Vazon o i didnt have it sorry 17:05 Jordach git developer protip: don't do git rm -rf foo * 17:08 Jordach !tell BlockMen is there a fixed hud for latest git? 17:08 MinetestBot Jordach: I'll pass that on when BlockMen is around 17:09 * sfan5 meows at Jordach 17:11 Exio4 legit 17:11 Exio4 i'm half asleep 17:11 Exio4 and without realizing i went to #minetest-dev instead of another channel 17:16 * Jordach got up at 1pm today 17:21 * sfan5 meows at Jordach 17:22 Jordach i make cats look energetic :3 17:24 PilzAdam Jordach uses unity oO 17:25 Jordach >cool game design enviroment 17:25 Jordach PFFT 17:26 Jordach THAT. IS. NOT. COOL. 17:27 Eater4 sapier: do you know where I can get your apartment mod? 17:27 sapier no sorry 17:28 Eater4 You lost your own mod? 17:28 PilzAdam john_minetest, pffff, who needs Irrlicht 17:28 sapier apartment isn't my mod 17:28 PilzAdam plain OpenGL is for the cool kids 17:29 Calinou unity3d is awesome. 17:29 Calinou nein. 17:29 Calinou To prove otherwise, do a tactical, open world FPS (ARMA clone) with great assets in irrlicht. 17:29 Calinou there are other engines than Irrlicht 17:30 PilzAdam john_minetest, how so? 17:35 MegAFK Calinou: rejoin please 17:35 CraigyDavi Eater4, https://github.com/Sokomine/apartment 17:35 Calinou yay, the joys of running two Minetests at once 17:37 PilzAdam [19:28:55] irrlicht is way cooler than plain OpenGL 17:37 PilzAdam ^^ I meant that 17:37 PilzAdam powered by OpenGL 17:37 * MegAFK waits for Calinou and 17:37 MegAFK other people 17:37 MegAFK !up minetest.megaf.info 30005 17:37 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30005 is up (749ms) 17:40 Jordach john_minetest, i loaded a model in Irrlicht easily 17:40 Jordach i just *didn't* have patience 17:41 Calinou I don't see it in list, MegAFK 17:41 Calinou PilzAdam: Unity3d is really easy to use. Everybody can make games with it. 17:41 Calinou you do need programming and art skills 17:41 Calinou if you lack one of these, expect to spend tons of money 17:41 Megaf 177.18.177.45:30005 17:41 Megaf Calinou: well, its there 17:42 Megaf http://servers.minetest.net 17:42 Megaf redis test server 17:42 Calinou john_minetest, *erm* no 17:43 Calinou non-commercial clauses are crap 17:43 Exio4 how does that matter, it is still shit in its licence and everything 17:44 Calinou ^ 17:44 Calinou I was of course not talking about its biggest issue 17:53 Megaf ok, now migrating from redis to sqlite3 17:57 Megaf sapier: You're right, sqlite is faster than redis 17:57 Megaf world loads faster when using redis 17:58 sapier how is sqlite faster if world loads faster with redis? 17:58 Megaf however, is just a little faster 17:58 Megaf s/redis/sqlite 18:06 markveidemanis Hi 18:06 * markveidemanis has IPV6 18:10 Calinou world feels slower with LevelDB too 18:10 Calinou so actually, SQLite is not so bda 18:10 Calinou bad* 18:14 Megaf Calinou: sqlite is one of the fastest dbs out there 18:14 Megaf IF well tuned 18:14 Calinou do you use the asynchronous stuff? I don't 18:15 Calinou lol I still have invisible_stone = false entry in my minetest.conf 18:15 Calinou it's from ~2011 18:15 Calinou had enable_clouds twice 18:17 Krock hi 18:18 Megaf Calinou: sometimes I just drop my minetest.conf and get a new one 18:23 Megaf Calinou: Ok, now the redis server is running on a raspberry pi 18:34 VanessaE hi 18:34 Krock hi 18:46 Mikerhinos o/ 18:47 PenguinDad /quit Be right back! 18:47 Calinou bye 18:50 Krock wtf? chrome got very nice in the last time..blocks download from dropbox and mediafire 18:50 Calinou use Chromium 18:51 Krock chrome = chromium 18:51 PenguinDad Krock: you download blocks? 18:52 Krock PenguinDad: blocks à 2000kb 18:52 Calinou chrome = chromium 18:52 Calinou not true 18:52 Krock whatever I use to 99% original google chrome browser codes 18:52 Calinou and it tracks you 8) 18:53 Krock that's the 1% 18:53 Krock !tell Calinou http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php 18:53 MinetestBot Krock: I'll pass that on when Calinou is around 18:59 BlockMen <3 Iron 19:02 Krock ^^ 19:03 Jordach <3 Iridium 19:04 Krock <3 Iod 19:04 PenguinDad <3 Osmium 19:04 CraigyDavi <3 Google Chrome 19:04 CraigyDavi <3 Being tracked 19:05 Krock <3 I see someone who didn't get the I-beginning-rythm 19:05 CraigyDavi <3 Oh 19:06 CraigyDavi <3 I realise I didn't realise 19:06 Krock <3 It's okay now 19:08 * Krock wonders why IE8 crashes after 20s of runtime 19:09 PenguinDad It's IE 19:11 * sfan5 meows at PenguinDad 19:12 * EvergreenTree woofs at sfan5 19:12 * sfan5 flips EvergreenTree 19:12 * PenguinDad slaps Youtube 19:13 EvergreenTree No, you don't flip the woof, the woof flips you 19:13 * sfan5 taps EvergreenTree 19:13 * woof flips sfan5 19:13 * sfan5 taps EvergreenTree 19:14 EvergreenTree quit taken meh syrup! 19:14 sfan5 https://pay.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/259yt0/yo_mama_so_fat/chf6y93 19:16 CraigyDavi ^Is is a bad or a good thing that I don't get this joke? :) 19:17 Krock sfan5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB9QttUKwow#t=1m38s 19:17 * Megaf is about to migrate his server to Redis 19:17 Megaf recompiling it with redis support 19:17 PenguinDad hahaha 19:18 sfan5 !title 19:18 MinetestBot sfan5: 10 Arten von Nerds - YouTube 19:18 Megaf Germans 19:20 Megaf <3 Old Opera Internet Suite (AdBlock, Mail, IRC, Web Server, Streaming Server, File Sharing, News Reader, Widgets, Extensions, Sync, Opera Turbo and MUCH MORE) 19:21 PenguinDad Opera! :O 19:22 Megaf The only closed source software worth using 19:22 Megaf 16:21:30: ACTION[main]: Migrated 500 blocks 0.0389963% completed 19:22 Megaf That's gonna take sometime 19:22 Megaf soem time* 19:23 Jordach 500 blocks, in mapblocks or nodes 19:23 Krock nodes IIRC 19:24 CraigyDavi Probably mapblocks 19:24 Megaf 16:24:13: ACTION[main]: Migrated 19000 blocks 1.48186% completed 19:24 Megaf sapier: mapblocks, blocks or nodes? 19:24 Megaf or stuff 19:24 CraigyDavi Blocks = mapblocks 19:25 Megaf so, 1 block = 16 nodes? 19:25 PenguinDad !c 16**3 19:25 MinetestBot 4096 19:25 PenguinDad ^ Megaf 19:26 Megaf I see 19:26 Megaf what about a chunk? 19:26 Krock chunk = mapblock 19:26 PenguinDad IIRC chunk size is configurable 19:27 CraigyDavi Nodes and Blocks, different 19:27 PenguinDad !c 4096**5 19:27 MinetestBot 1152921504606846976 19:27 PenguinDad okay 19:27 Krock PenguinDad, yes it is before generating first mapblock. 19:29 PenguinDad Krock: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L390 19:29 Krock ik 19:30 Krock or in mapmeta.txt in a new world 19:41 CraigyDavi Random screeny: http://i.imgur.com/GSPdNrd.png 19:44 Jordach ..is that tower what i think that is 19:44 CraigyDavi It's this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8932&p=141374#p141374 19:44 Jordach i'd say there's something missing 19:44 CraigyDavi What's that? 19:44 Jordach something pretty damn large 19:45 CraigyDavi it's still a work in progress though 19:47 CraigyDavi What's it missing Jordach? 20:36 Exio4 hihi 20:37 CraigyDavi hi 20:37 Megaf hi 20:39 Megaf oh dear 20:39 Megaf 17:20:29: ACTION[main]: Migrated 369500 blocks 28.8183% completed 20:39 Megaf 17:20:36: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: redis command 'HSET %s %s %b' failed: Server closed the connection 20:40 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix old client showing duplicated health bar on new server 6c37e89f08 2014-05-11T22:34:44+02:00 http://git.io/hKtgCw 20:48 EvergreenTree Hi cheapie 20:48 cheapie Hi. 21:24 EvergreenTree Hi us`0gb 21:25 us`0gb Hey EvergreenTree! 21:27 Ritchie I want to introduce my minetest startup script: http://pastebin.com/SWj3Mr84 21:29 FreeFull Any way to kill myself on the Floatlands server and respawn? 21:29 FreeFull I'm stuck falling 21:29 FreeFull Nevermind, got to land 21:30 FreeFull Very far down though 21:44 EvergreenTree Hi AspireMint! 21:44 EvergreenTree haven't seen you for a while 21:45 AspireMint Hello :) 21:47 FreeFull I wonder why people don't use sneak elevators more 21:47 FreeFull Do they not know about them? 21:47 CraigyDavi You could just use ladders and fast mode 21:49 EvergreenTree sneak elevators don't require fast though 21:49 FreeFull Do you know who invented them? 21:49 EvergreenTree Idk 21:49 EvergreenTree it's just a bug some exploited 21:49 * FreeFull grins 21:49 FreeFull I did 21:49 EvergreenTree no one has removed it though, because no one wants to 21:49 FreeFull On celeron's server 21:50 FreeFull Although I suppose Notch thought about them when he made minecraft, and made them impossible 21:50 EvergreenTree I suppose so 21:51 FreeFull Fast ladders also presuppose you have a lot of wood 21:51 FreeFull And when making a shaft straight down, sneak elevators are better 21:52 FreeFull Fast mode ladders also make you more likely to take damage 21:52 Ritchie Hi AspireMint :) 21:52 AspireMint Nazdars :) 21:53 FreeFull Sneaking onto an edge when falling gets rid of fall damage 21:53 FreeFull So you can fall down a sneak elevator and stop right at the end 21:57 FreeFull I invented the flat sneak elevator first, the corner one came second 21:57 FreeFull I like spiral ones best 21:59 us`0gb The problem with sneak ladders is that they don't work on all servers. They only work on servers with anticheat disabled. 22:01 FreeFull Ah, I didn't know anticheat prevented them 22:02 SoniEx2 can you hotswap mods? 22:04 FreeFull No 22:06 SoniEx2 damn :/ 22:08 kaeza evenings 22:15 FreeFull It'd be nice if a suicide command came with default 22:15 FreeFull Since if you get stuck on a server, you can be stuck permanently 22:25 sapier FreeFull: there's at least a mod to do similar thing 22:25 sapier it makes you teleport back to spawn ... better then suicide 22:25 FreeFull There is a mod 22:26 FreeFull But it's not in default game 22:26 FreeFull So you end up with a lot of servers without it 22:26 sapier true but that's a complain you should address to server owners 22:29 us`0gb FreeFull: Anticheat prevents them from being practical due to them allowing one to surpass the speed limit. So the player is repeatedly warped downward when using them. 22:29 FreeFull Ah 22:29 us`0gb There should be a suicide command by default. Otherwise, people get stuck and have to wait for help from staff. 22:30 FreeFull Agreed with us`0gb 22:30 us`0gb Even my nearly-vanilla game had it due to how vital it is. 22:31 us`0gb That and land protection, though I can see why land protection wouldn't be in by default. 22:32 FreeFull Land protection can be abused, like locked chests 22:33 shaqb4 ? 22:33 kaeza ?? 22:33 shaqb4 Do a lot of people play minetest? 22:33 blaise yes, actually 22:34 shaqb4 sweet 22:35 us`0gb FreeFull: Agreed. Locked doors as well. 22:35 FreeFull Unless the land protection is something like "admin gives you land", or "server automatically assigns you land" 22:35 shaqb4 are there any particular features that differentiate it from minecraft and other similar games, or is it pretty much a free version? 22:36 kaeza shaqb4, there are several 22:36 us`0gb Most people who play don't seem to talk on IRC shaqb4, but if you join a good server (try VanessaE's or ShadowNinja's), you'll find other players. 22:37 us`0gb Differences: freedom, an accessible API, multiple game support, maybe more. 22:37 kaeza shaqb4, it's free, it runs on older (and crappier) computers, it's free, it is easier to mod, it's free 22:37 shaqb4 lol, I'm sensing a pattern 22:37 us`0gb Yeah, being free is probably the best feature. Modify it to your heart's content! 22:39 shaqb4 Cool. I'll probably check it out then. 22:39 sapier did someone tell the important benefit about minetest beeing free yet? ;-) 22:40 VanessaE us`0gb: hardly no one plays my servers anymore :-/ 22:40 VanessaE everyone seems to be going off to other servers now 22:40 kaeza it seems once a new server appears, it gets flooded by new users 22:40 VanessaE (you know how it is, new server, everyone floods it and the rest just sorta languish in the backwaters of the server list) 22:40 VanessaE yep, ninja'd 22:41 us`0gb VanessaE: They don't? That's sad. Last time I was there there were people, but I haven't had time to build the pull request to bring my client up to standard, so I haven't been on in a while. 22:41 sapier maybe moving server spawn to some not as crowded location could help? 22:41 kaeza probably because most of these "users" are banned from everywhere anyway :P 22:41 VanessaE us`0gb: today's peak, 17 and that's because Zeno's server is down. the other day, it didn't even break 10. 22:42 VanessaE and that's the total of 6 servers combined. 22:42 * kaeza mumbles something about a (n optional) centralized ban list 22:43 sapier hmm I wonder if releasing a (compatible) android version to google store would help 22:43 us`0gb Only if there could be multiple ban lists to choose from. Having a single canonical one would be fine, but there should be the option to use others, just like is done with the centralized server list. 22:43 us`0gb And F-Droid! 22:44 VanessaE the problem with a blacklist is getting people removed from it who were wrongfully added 22:44 sapier and maybe we should get a new official version beeing compatible to servers ;-) 22:44 VanessaE think US "no-fly" lists 22:44 us`0gb VanessaE: Ooh, yeah. Good point. 22:45 VanessaE sapier: how far from 0.4.10-release do you figure we are? 22:46 VanessaE (seems to me we're pretty dang close now) 22:49 sapier depends if we want android support in or not 22:50 sapier my guess it without android support about 1-2 months (if we focus on fixing bugs) ... with android support ... at least 3 months 22:53 VanessaE eep 22:55 sapier it's not about coding VanessaE but about testing, you know as good as me different android devices behave different. That's very very time consuming 22:55 VanessaE true that. 22:55 VanessaE as today's tests have shown :) 22:56 sapier yes 22:56 sapier http://animalsmod.comuf.com/downloads/Minetest-debug.apk 22:57 sapier anyone interested in supporting android port is requested to test this and report issues 23:18 FreeFull Is there a watershed server?