| Time |
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blaise |
I'm having an interesting error with minetest |
| 00:07 |
blaise |
00:07:10: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerEnvironment::loadMeta(): EnvArgsEnd not found |
| 00:08 |
blaise |
it's been running fine for a few weeks.. |
| 00:08 |
blaise |
I haven't done anything to the server...... |
| 00:08 |
ShadowX83 |
whats it doing? |
| 00:08 |
blaise |
crashing.. |
| 00:08 |
ShadowX83 |
did you do any window's updates? |
| 00:09 |
blaise |
I don't run windows. |
| 00:09 |
ShadowX83 |
lol kk any OS updates then |
| 00:09 |
iqualfragile_ |
ShadowX83: nobody runs windows anymore, thats so 2010 |
| 00:09 |
blaise |
I should mention this is my dedicated server |
| 00:09 |
ShadowX83 |
I still run window's |
| 00:09 |
Peacock |
inb4 bill gates is the antichrist |
| 00:09 |
blaise |
and no, I've not preformed any changes to the operating environment. |
| 00:10 |
ShadowX83 |
what does the D Bug say |
| 00:10 |
blaise |
FreeBSD 10 livedvd was released not so long ago, |
| 00:10 |
ShadowX83 |
it should say there what is causing the crash |
| 00:10 |
blaise |
ShadowX83: the WHAT? |
| 00:10 |
iqualfragile_ |
blaise: obv noob is obv |
| 00:10 |
iqualfragile_ |
ignore |
| 00:10 |
blaise |
lmao |
| 00:11 |
iqualfragile_ |
blaise: does your debug.txt contain any traceback (i doubt it) |
| 00:11 |
iqualfragile_ |
& you might want to post that in -dev |
| 00:11 |
blaise |
I'm not particularly compelled to use the gnu debugger just yet.. I'de rather not have 3 terrabytes of backtrace for myself and some other pore bastard to sift through |
| 00:11 |
blaise |
iqualfragile_: negative. |
| 00:12 |
iqualfragile_ |
blaise: which mods are you running? |
| 00:13 |
ShadowX83 |
I was just trying to be helpful if you want to be rude that is fine iq |
| 00:13 |
blaise |
iqualfragile_: ls -la /var/lib/minetest/.minetest/mods/ | wgetpaste |
| 00:13 |
blaise |
iqualfragile_: http://bpaste.net/show/172497/ |
| 00:13 |
blaise |
:) |
| 00:13 |
* blaise |
hands ShadowX83 what do you mean "D Bug" |
| 00:14 |
Peacock |
shadow dont mind them, they dont get layed very often :P |
| 00:14 |
Peacock |
and apparently can't spell :P |
| 00:14 |
blaise |
I've been layed 3 times today, thank you. |
| 00:14 |
kahrl |
you run mobf + simple mobs? |
| 00:14 |
ShadowX83 |
I know I did not spell it right |
| 00:14 |
blaise |
and I'm not talking about a floral arrangement |
| 00:14 |
Peacock |
chips? :p |
| 00:14 |
blaise |
kahrl: is that bad? |
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| 00:15 |
blaise |
lmao |
| 00:15 |
* blaise |
tickles ShadowBot |
| 00:15 |
kahrl |
well at least ShadowBot doesn't seem to like it |
| 00:15 |
iqualfragile_ |
now take that information and put it into #minetest-dev, let them tell you that some mod propably tried to load nonexistant metadata and that this is non-fatal and ignorable |
| 00:16 |
blaise |
what's interesting is that the server has ran two weeks without any problems.. |
| 00:16 |
blaise |
now I can't get it to start |
| 00:16 |
kahrl |
blaise: what version of minetest is that? |
| 00:16 |
iqualfragile_ |
uh, that sounds worse then i expected, so this thing caused your server to crash? |
| 00:20 |
blaise |
0.4.9 |
| 00:20 |
blaise |
I disabled all the mods, still get the same error |
| 00:20 |
kahrl |
blaise: so it should use safeWriteToFile for env_meta.txt |
| 00:21 |
kahrl |
no idea why it would get corrupted then |
| 00:22 |
kahrl |
in any case you can just copy in env_meta.txt from another world |
| 00:22 |
kahrl |
nothing of importance is stored there |
| 00:23 |
blaise |
00:23:34: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: Player::deSerialize(): PlayerArgsEnd of player "falueaea.~mt" not found |
| 00:24 |
* blaise |
facepalms |
| 00:24 |
kahrl |
yeah that's a known bug |
| 00:24 |
blaise |
!up midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org |
| 00:24 |
MinetestBot |
midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org:30000 seems to be down |
| 00:24 |
blaise |
kahrl: how do I address that error? |
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kahrl |
blaise: delete that file |
| 00:25 |
blaise |
k |
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| 00:27 |
blaise |
that file doesn't exist |
| 00:28 |
blaise |
hrmm |
| 00:28 |
blaise |
maybe it's time to wipe the world and start over? |
| 00:29 |
kahrl |
well if it still complains the file has to be there |
| 00:29 |
* kahrl |
gives blaise some goggles and hopes they don't do nothing :P |
| 00:30 |
kahrl |
did you look in the players/ directory? |
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blaise |
yeah |
| 00:42 |
blaise |
I found it |
| 00:42 |
blaise |
had to run updatedb for locate to see it |
| 00:52 |
blaise |
seems to start up fine now |
| 00:52 |
blaise |
that was weird |
| 01:01 |
Hirato |
lol |
| 01:01 |
Hirato |
can't just use ls in ~/.minetest |
| 01:02 |
blaise |
I wasn't quite sure where it was in the minetest tree |
| 01:03 |
blaise |
and it wasn't in .minetest |
| 01:13 |
Hirato |
bloody RUN_IN_PLACE weirdos |
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SirDigby |
how do you change time to 24 hour in crunch bang? |
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| 02:34 |
cornernote |
STRAYA DAY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4AchHTN-XQ |
| 02:36 |
SirDigby |
? |
| 02:36 |
SirDigby |
work with me here |
| 02:36 |
SirDigby |
what is this |
| 02:36 |
cornernote |
its STRAYA DAY |
| 02:36 |
SirDigby |
i can't be all clicky on links |
| 02:36 |
cornernote |
merry straya day |
| 02:37 |
SirDigby |
read error not enough statement |
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| 02:46 |
harrison |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_c2ienvIE0 |
| 02:49 |
SirDigby |
what |
| 02:49 |
SirDigby |
what the fuck is this shit |
| 02:49 |
SirDigby |
god damn it harrison |
| 02:49 |
Peacock |
pron? |
| 02:50 |
cornernote |
gunna get me holden |
| 02:50 |
cornernote |
and barbecue me some lamb chops |
| 02:50 |
SirDigby |
why would you want me to start punching walls and faces |
| 02:50 |
SirDigby |
babies |
| 02:50 |
cornernote |
STRAYA DAY |
| 02:50 |
SirDigby |
You make me want to punch a baby |
| 02:51 |
SirDigby |
you happy with that shit |
| 02:51 |
Peacock |
still legal in 12 states |
| 02:51 |
mAcZ |
are there any mods for mintest (technical based ones)? |
| 02:51 |
SirDigby |
lol |
| 02:51 |
SirDigby |
uh |
| 02:51 |
SirDigby |
I think vannase is one |
| 02:52 |
SirDigby |
idk what i'm talking about tho |
| 02:52 |
cornernote |
gunna get me some plastic flags from crazy clarks |
| 02:52 |
cornernote |
(made in china) |
| 02:52 |
cornernote |
STRAYA DAY ! |
| 02:52 |
Peacock |
everything's made in china :p |
| 02:53 |
Peacock |
except for the shit they import |
| 02:53 |
harrison |
ok if that is pron then i am actually a talking wallaby |
| 02:53 |
harrison |
and i am not |
| 02:53 |
cornernote |
gunna go out, put on me best shirt, pop the collar |
| 02:53 |
harrison |
SirDigby i am NOT a talking wallaby |
| 02:53 |
Peacock |
im guessing everyone's high tonight |
| 02:53 |
SirDigby |
k |
| 02:54 |
Peacock |
not from colorado or washington by any chance? :P |
| 02:54 |
cornernote |
STRAYA ! |
| 02:55 |
SirDigby |
you all know that the other people that speak English dosn't know what football is |
| 02:55 |
SirDigby |
only |
| 02:55 |
SirDigby |
And i mean ONLY merca knows about foot ball |
| 02:56 |
SirDigby |
i don't use drugs |
| 02:56 |
Peacock |
yeah the whole football = soccer thing |
| 02:56 |
SirDigby |
right |
| 02:56 |
Peacock |
i got a good one for you: Whats the hardest part of being a soccer/football player? |
| 02:57 |
harrison |
the foot! |
| 02:57 |
SirDigby |
we all know that dumb fuckers just beating the hell out of each other should only be a mercian thing |
| 02:57 |
Peacock |
oh yeah because europe doesn't have football hooligans.... :p |
| 02:57 |
Peacock |
or riots over that shit |
| 02:57 |
cornernote |
not at all, thats what straya day is all about |
| 02:57 |
SirDigby |
ya but thay are all pussys |
| 02:57 |
harrison |
1488+666=2014 |
| 02:57 |
cornernote |
glass someone in the face cos they have an accent |
| 02:58 |
SirDigby |
after they fight they will have a cup of tea with eachother |
| 02:58 |
Peacock |
id rather glass someone wearing google glass lol |
| 02:58 |
SirDigby |
proper wanks an all dat |
| 02:58 |
SirDigby |
ya read about that shit |
| 02:59 |
SirDigby |
dude was nailed for 4 hours |
| 02:59 |
Peacock |
talking about that movie theater shit? |
| 02:59 |
SirDigby |
ya |
| 02:59 |
SirDigby |
lol |
| 02:59 |
SirDigby |
well |
| 03:00 |
SirDigby |
Know i know how pirates do it |
| 03:00 |
Peacock |
had it coming |
| 03:00 |
SirDigby |
they sail from sea to sea |
| 03:00 |
SirDigby |
well ya |
| 03:00 |
Peacock |
thats why i find geeks totally retarded and contradictory: they bitch about the nsa and cell phone tracking, yet they defend shit like google glass |
| 03:00 |
SirDigby |
guy is stupid just like that guy that had them on when driving |
| 03:01 |
SirDigby |
what a dumb ass |
| 03:01 |
SirDigby |
i feel you |
| 03:01 |
Peacock |
can you imagine those glass jackasses wearing that shit in public restrooms, locker rooms, or anywhere else people don't want to be recorded |
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| 03:03 |
SirDigby |
I don't want to be that guy that pretends to do work, but uh, I might have a problem with some asshole blogging my dick at a urinal |
| 03:03 |
SirDigby |
AND and |
| 03:03 |
SirDigby |
it's a grower |
| 03:03 |
SirDigby |
so |
| 03:03 |
NakedFury |
peacock its late to be moaning about it |
| 03:04 |
Peacock |
doesnt matter what the fuck it looks like lol no one wants to see their junk on youtube lol |
| 03:04 |
SirDigby |
good |
| 03:04 |
SirDigby |
but really |
| 03:04 |
SirDigby |
it's like those guys that wear the ear set |
| 03:05 |
Peacock |
nakedfury how so? |
| 03:05 |
SirDigby |
and when the cell rings they yell |
| 03:05 |
SirDigby |
TALK TO ME |
| 03:05 |
Peacock |
bluetooth earset: doesn't record other people |
| 03:05 |
SirDigby |
no but you hear this shit |
| 03:05 |
NakedFury |
the glasses are nothing new for that since before them we could add tiny cameras to pens or glasses to do that stuff |
| 03:06 |
Peacock |
yeah but those were specialty items, google is hoping to sell alot of these |
| 03:06 |
SirDigby |
god damn it have you ever been down town and see these shits |
| 03:06 |
NakedFury |
all of this stuff was to be expected with the evolution of technology and easy internet access |
| 03:06 |
SirDigby |
the fucks come up be hind you and yell talk to me |
| 03:06 |
SirDigby |
fuck this shit |
| 03:07 |
SirDigby |
blast them in the face |
| 03:07 |
Peacock |
if some moron wants to tweet every meal and bowel movement of theirs then that's their business, it's when they start recording other people that i get an overwhelming urge to deck them lol |
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| 03:07 |
SirDigby |
i agree. |
| 03:07 |
Peacock |
though, glass has already been banned in some restaurants :-) so there's hope |
| 03:08 |
cornernote |
BYO |
| 03:08 |
SirDigby |
i'm not ready for more pompous bullshit |
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| 03:12 |
stormchaser3000 |
hi |
| 03:13 |
cornernote |
immigrant day? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fYX98fZD74 |
| 03:14 |
stormchaser3000 |
? |
| 03:15 |
stormchaser3000 |
ah what the crus |
| 03:15 |
stormchaser3000 |
rud* |
| 03:15 |
stormchaser3000 |
crud* |
| 03:15 |
stormchaser3000 |
my internet is too slow |
| 03:15 |
SirDigby |
the fuc |
| 03:16 |
stormchaser3000 |
and youtube is not working very well |
| 03:16 |
SirDigby |
FIRST |
| 03:16 |
SirDigby |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XagtzN6e70 |
| 03:16 |
stormchaser3000 |
no really |
| 03:16 |
stormchaser3000 |
14.7 kb/s internet |
| 03:17 |
SirDigby |
bullshit |
| 03:17 |
SirDigby |
and you pay 70 bucks a month for this |
| 03:17 |
stormchaser3000 |
no more like 40 or 50 or 10 idk |
| 03:17 |
SirDigby |
just fucking go with dail up |
| 03:18 |
stormchaser3000 |
ehhh |
| 03:18 |
stormchaser3000 |
lol i might get century link |
| 03:18 |
stormchaser3000 |
7 mb/s internet |
| 03:18 |
stormchaser3000 |
i think it is |
| 03:18 |
SirDigby |
is that down |
| 03:18 |
SirDigby |
or total |
| 03:19 |
stormchaser3000 |
but for now i have a ****** t-mobile internet |
| 03:19 |
SirDigby |
oh |
| 03:19 |
SirDigby |
well |
| 03:19 |
SirDigby |
you dun goofed |
| 03:19 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 03:20 |
SirDigby |
hello |
| 03:20 |
stormchaser3000 |
hi Vanessa |
| 03:21 |
SirDigby |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xiKqowqbOk |
| 03:21 |
SirDigby |
Vanessa knows whats up |
| 03:21 |
SirDigby |
or not |
| 03:21 |
SirDigby |
idk |
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| 03:30 |
cornernote |
hey VenessaE, happy straya day ! |
| 03:30 |
NekoGloop |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jfx57q1Jxw this is perfect |
| 03:37 |
VanessaE |
hi cornernote |
| 03:45 |
cornernote |
hey guys, i have a Q about the image licensing in minetest |
| 03:46 |
VanessaE |
cc-by-sa unless there's language in the readme that says otherwise (some images are licensed differently, e.g. wtfpl) |
| 03:46 |
cornernote |
yes, but what does that mean in the following context.. |
| 03:46 |
cornernote |
i made a html theme that i use on my mods now, and i decided to make the theme itself as a package... |
| 03:47 |
cornernote |
i seem to be adding more and more images from minetest into it (slightly modded images, blown up and slight blur, nothing major) |
| 03:48 |
cornernote |
i put the list of images/authors on the page itself... but not sure if that is a requirement, or if i can have a txt file in the download that has the list of all the images |
| 03:48 |
cornernote |
i currently do both |
| 03:48 |
cornernote |
this is the thing - http://cornernote.github.io/minetest-bootstrap-theme/ |
| 03:49 |
VanessaE |
well, what I do now with my imagery where I'd made some derivative work is I provide a list of links where the images came from, with some indication what the image is being used for |
| 03:49 |
VanessaE |
I figure the person can follow the link to get the full attribution of the image |
| 03:49 |
VanessaE |
nice theme |
| 03:50 |
cornernote |
so i can put a link to a txt file instead of the full list ? |
| 03:50 |
VanessaE |
for that, what you do now is probably adequate |
| 03:50 |
VanessaE |
but I'm no lawyer :) |
| 03:50 |
cornernote |
what about if i use that theme, like on my mod ? |
| 03:50 |
cornernote |
or if someone else uses the theme |
| 03:51 |
cornernote |
what are they required to do ? |
| 03:51 |
VanessaE |
in that case, I think nothing special is needed, just bury the credits in a file somewhere in the download |
| 03:51 |
cornernote |
the mod download doesnt have the theme, its just to doc the mod |
| 03:52 |
VanessaE |
well think of it this way, |
| 03:52 |
cornernote |
i hate CC BY-SA |
| 03:52 |
cornernote |
cos i dont understand it |
| 03:52 |
cornernote |
almost as bad as GPL |
| 03:52 |
VanessaE |
if someone downloads your package and uses it, but doesn't modify it, they're not creating much of a derivative work (if at all), in which case they probably don't have to worry about licensing at all, aside from simply using the same license |
| 03:53 |
VanessaE |
(as far as publishing credits et al.) |
| 03:53 |
cornernote |
let me give an example... on this page - http://cornernote.github.io/minetest-armor/ |
| 03:53 |
cornernote |
there i dont give any credit to the image authors |
| 03:53 |
VanessaE |
ah, yeah see that's fine |
| 03:53 |
cornernote |
but i give credit back to my theme |
| 03:54 |
VanessaE |
you don't need to share the credits there, just link to the credits file |
| 03:54 |
cornernote |
i dont even do that, i just link to the theme (which has the credits in it) |
| 03:54 |
cornernote |
is that ok ? |
| 03:54 |
VanessaE |
that's fine too |
| 03:54 |
VanessaE |
as long as the chain leads easily back to the credits |
| 03:54 |
cornernote |
and anyone else who uses the theme... they have to link back to it too ? |
| 03:55 |
cornernote |
i'd rather they didnt have to |
| 03:55 |
cornernote |
i will link to it, cos i want to share it... but i dont want to force others to |
| 03:55 |
VanessaE |
the idea is that the user need not do anything fancy to find out who's faul---creations are in use :) |
| 03:56 |
cornernote |
the user being the person who takes this theme and makes their own site... or the user is some stranger visiting their site ? |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
that's a good question, and one which I think only a lawyer can give you an authoritative answer to, but I would guess that yes they need to link back to the theme, if they don't link to the credits. |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
theperson who uses the theme to make a site. |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
the web author/etc. |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
the end user viewing the site doesn't count. |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
they are not a party to the contract at all |
| 03:57 |
VanessaE |
until they decide to take the imagery they find and re-publish it |
| 03:57 |
VanessaE |
(which most people won't) |
| 03:57 |
cornernote |
ok, that makes sense |
| 03:58 |
cornernote |
the BSD license on the theme itself only talks about Redistributions, not usage |
| 03:58 |
cornernote |
so i guess the CC BY-SA is somewhat similar |
| 03:59 |
cornernote |
if you use it, you dont have to give full disclosure about copyright notices |
| 03:59 |
VanessaE |
all of them are like that |
| 03:59 |
cornernote |
if you redistribute it, you have to include the copyright notices |
| 03:59 |
cornernote |
thanks V |
| 03:59 |
VanessaE |
the end user who downloads the file isn't a party to the contact/license until they decide they want to *upload* it somewhere |
| 03:59 |
VanessaE |
exactly |
| 04:00 |
cornernote |
"upload" is an interesting term |
| 04:00 |
cornernote |
you're not redistributing a website by putting it online |
| 04:00 |
VanessaE |
so if you make a website or whatever out of it, you are redistributing it, for the purposes of this package |
| 04:00 |
cornernote |
but then again, you kinda are |
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| 04:00 |
VanessaE |
well you are if the purpose of the package is to create little mini-websites |
| 04:01 |
cornernote |
say little tommy wants to make publish his minetest mod, he wants a cool page, so he starts with this... |
| 04:01 |
cornernote |
by uploading this html to his webserver (to showoff his unrelated mod) is he redistributing this package ? |
| 04:02 |
VanessaE |
yep. |
| 04:02 |
cornernote |
dammit |
| 04:02 |
VanessaE |
because his webserver is expressly allowing others to download and view it |
| 04:02 |
cornernote |
how about this... |
| 04:02 |
VanessaE |
it's enough that he should just link to the credits file. |
| 04:03 |
VanessaE |
or link back to the original download |
| 04:03 |
cornernote |
i use a php framework called Yii |
| 04:03 |
cornernote |
i build an app, upload it, and it serves pages |
| 04:03 |
cornernote |
but i'm not redistributing it, because the source code is not available |
| 04:03 |
ShadowNinja |
We have a test phpbb board running at phpbb.minetest.net. Comments on it? (Yes, it needs a theme) |
| 04:03 |
cornernote |
the difference with the HTML is they can steal the code via their browser |
| 04:04 |
cornernote |
its not being redistributed |
| 04:04 |
cornernote |
its being used to serve a rendered html page |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
cornernote: where is the content that's being served stored at? |
| 04:05 |
cornernote |
some web server, say a pc in my house, or some $1 host |
| 04:05 |
VanessaE |
I guess I'm not entirely clear where you're going with that example |
| 04:05 |
VanessaE |
it doesn't matter whether the page source can be had or not though |
| 04:06 |
cornernote |
say i have some PHP script... <?php echo 'hello world'; ?> (c) 2014 Brett O'Donnell |
| 04:06 |
VanessaE |
it matters whether the browser ends up with viewable content |
| 04:06 |
cornernote |
when someone visits the page, they see hello world |
| 04:06 |
ShadowNinja |
cornernote: Can you take a look at that? |
| 04:06 |
cornernote |
SN, sure, sec |
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cornernote |
SN< the content is all transferred? nice ! |
| 04:07 |
cornernote |
phpbb will be way better than the forum there now |
| 04:07 |
cornernote |
many more community mods |
| 04:08 |
cornernote |
V, yeah i figurerd that comes into play |
| 04:08 |
VanessaE |
cornernote: they see "hello world" --> you just redistributed "hello world". |
| 04:08 |
ShadowNinja |
Yep. :-) And not being a dead project helps. |
| 04:08 |
cornernote |
yeah, not the source |
| 04:09 |
cornernote |
but with the image that is being displayed, its similar |
| 04:09 |
VanessaE |
or rather, you just redistributed the final *content* thereof. Now suppose that php script pushes a bunch of imagery and so forth - same deal but even more obvious then |
| 04:09 |
VanessaE |
because you can see "oh, that's Minetest's lava image there" |
| 04:09 |
VanessaE |
and so on |
| 04:09 |
cornernote |
im distributing default_grass_*.png blown upto 128px and has a blur |
| 04:10 |
cornernote |
via the browser |
| 04:10 |
VanessaE |
so it doesn't matter if it's HTML source, a rendered image, javascript, AJAX, or something else - if the browser can see it and render it, it counts as redistributing. |
| 04:10 |
VanessaE |
yep, and in the case of default_grass_*.png, you're not only redistributing, you're distributing a derivative work (not that I care, btw :) ) |
| 04:10 |
cornernote |
do distributing "hello world" needs to have the license, because it was derrived from <?php echo 'hello world'; ?> ?? |
| 04:11 |
VanessaE |
cornernote: in theory, but in practice, no, because if you give no license, it's automatically all-rights-reserved. |
| 04:11 |
cornernote |
i think default_grass_*.png is wtfpl, but i will still honor the author =) |
| 04:11 |
cornernote |
its just that i dont want ppl who _use_ the theme to have to do the same, only if they want to package it up (as i have) that they should need to |
| 04:11 |
VanessaE |
copyright laws suck :P |
| 04:12 |
VanessaE |
all that the person using the theme on their own site has to do, to remain safe, is provide a link at the bottom of their page that says something like "This theme was obtained from http://foo.com/bar.html" pointing to your download. |
| 04:12 |
cornernote |
im all for acknowledgment of the original author(s), but i dont want it to be a barrier of usage |
| 04:12 |
cornernote |
consider this.... |
| 04:13 |
VanessaE |
and it can be buried under all the noise of the background |
| 04:13 |
cornernote |
i am playing minetest in a public place on my PC |
| 04:13 |
cornernote |
others can see my screen |
| 04:13 |
cornernote |
am i redistributing it ? |
| 04:13 |
VanessaE |
actually... |
| 04:13 |
VanessaE |
if the screen is larger than..what was it, 49 inches? |
| 04:13 |
VanessaE |
and if there are more than ..I forget, 4 people was it? |
| 04:13 |
VanessaE |
I shit you not |
| 04:13 |
cornernote |
haha |
| 04:14 |
VanessaE |
ESPN or someone fought this out in court once |
| 04:14 |
VanessaE |
and that was what the case was settled on |
| 04:14 |
VanessaE |
screen size and number of people watching it |
| 04:14 |
cornernote |
and i want to hilight that my intent is not to take credit from those who earned it, its simply to make it easier for people to use the creations |
| 04:14 |
VanessaE |
so if you have a superbowl party in front of your big projection screen next year, they'll kick your ass :) |
| 04:15 |
VanessaE |
I know that and everyone here in channel knows that |
| 04:15 |
VanessaE |
but you know how it is, some jerk out there somewhere... CYA. |
| 04:15 |
cornernote |
so i play the game in a private area |
| 04:15 |
cornernote |
and i get my friend to take a picture of me playing, with the screen in view |
| 04:16 |
cornernote |
then i blow that up to 50" |
| 04:16 |
VanessaE |
lol |
| 04:16 |
cornernote |
and show the picture in public |
| 04:16 |
cornernote |
lol |
| 04:16 |
VanessaE |
ok now you're getting into fair use territory :) |
| 04:16 |
VanessaE |
at that point it begins to depend on why your friend took the picture |
| 04:16 |
cornernote |
just being silly, but you see where im coming from |
| 04:16 |
VanessaE |
oh of course |
| 04:17 |
VanessaE |
silly is good :) |
| 04:17 |
VanessaE |
keeps life interesting that way :D |
| 04:18 |
cornernote |
thanks for your help V, i think i get it... kinda... although it can be taken to extreme where it gets silly |
| 04:19 |
cornernote |
ShadowNinja, when is this forum going to be live ? |
| 04:19 |
VanessaE |
I try :) |
| 04:19 |
VanessaE |
in the end, just ask the user politely to provide a link back to the theme/download/thingy on their page somewhere |
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| 04:19 |
VanessaE |
and that'll probably cover 99.999% of the issue |
| 04:20 |
VanessaE |
you could even just build that link in yourself into the template |
| 04:20 |
ShadowNinja |
cornernote: Well, I don't know. |
| 04:20 |
cornernote |
VanessaE, yeah, the template is exactly as the webpage is... |
| 04:21 |
cornernote |
what you see is what you download, and it has the copyrights and licenses in it |
| 04:21 |
VanessaE |
at that point it becomes more a matter of asking the user politely not to remove the link :) |
| 04:21 |
ShadowNinja |
It might not replace the current board, but if it does it might take a while to get a theme and update the mmdb. |
| 04:21 |
cornernote |
but i want them to be able to remove the link |
| 04:21 |
cornernote |
unless they are making their own theme to redistribute |
| 04:21 |
cornernote |
i dont want them to claim it as their own when it isnt |
| 04:22 |
cornernote |
the images are not mine to give them that right |
| 04:23 |
VanessaE |
well sure they should be *able* to remove the link, but you should discourage it |
| 04:24 |
cornernote |
so they should be legally able to remove it |
| 04:25 |
VanessaE |
under some circumstances they may be able to remove it, but like I said, you should discourage them doing so. |
| 04:25 |
VanessaE |
anyway, I'm off to bed. |
| 04:25 |
VanessaE |
night all. |
| 04:25 |
cornernote |
perhaps i'll add a smaller link right at the bottom somewhere, and put in the HTML a commented section explaining they can remove it but its preferred they dont |
| 04:25 |
cornernote |
night V |
| 04:39 |
cornernote |
the licensing gets even more complicated :S |
| 04:39 |
cornernote |
cos on some of my pages, i have craft tables with images |
| 04:39 |
cornernote |
the images are from whatever mod holds the source for the craft |
| 04:39 |
cornernote |
eg, on the html theme, i have a craft from sticks |
| 04:40 |
cornernote |
but i didnt put anything about stick in the licenses |
| 04:47 |
cornernote |
ok, no i have... in the images folder i kept the structure from minetest, including the readmes which contain the media licenses and authors |
| 04:47 |
cornernote |
eg, https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-bootstrap-theme/tree/gh-pages/img/mods/default |
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cornernote |
anyone around still ? |
| 05:03 |
cornernote |
ok... i'll just talk amoungst myself then |
| 05:03 |
cornernote |
i had a play with the luacontroller, thats pretty fun |
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cornernote |
created a rock-paper-scissors-lizard-spock game in a single lua controller... i'll have to wack it up with instructions at some stage |
| 05:17 |
us_0gb |
I'm here. Sort of. On and off. |
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us_0gb |
I'm not sure where the lizard comes in or even what a "spock" is. |
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SirDigby |
BUTT BUTT |
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cornernote |
us_0gb, Rock crushes lizard |
| 07:07 |
cornernote |
Lizard poisons Spock |
| 07:07 |
cornernote |
Lizard eats paper |
| 07:07 |
cornernote |
Scissors decapitate lizard |
| 07:07 |
Peacock |
drugs are bad mkaay? |
| 07:07 |
cornernote |
and if you don't know what a "spock" is, i can only offer you pitty |
| 07:08 |
cornernote |
live long and prosper |
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us_0gb |
I suppose I should web search it. But in a bit. |
| 07:08 |
Peacock |
on the contrary, i got the most star trek themed mods around lol |
| 07:08 |
us_0gb |
Oh, it's from Star Trek? No wonder I don't know what it is. |
| 07:09 |
cornernote |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock-paper-scissors-lizard-Spock |
| 07:14 |
Peacock |
"BBC News (World) Sex abuse at British youth detention centre left boys begging to have their legs broken to get help" i suppose that's an advancement, before you had to go the catholic church for that sort of thing |
| 07:16 |
Peacock |
pretty soon you wont be able to trust any adults left alone with children lol |
| 07:25 |
Hirato |
lol Peacock |
| 07:25 |
Hirato |
me thinks he's optimistic |
| 07:26 |
cornernote |
its a detention centre, so i assume the kids are not there by choice |
| 07:26 |
cornernote |
its not like someone trusted their kids with someone, they had no choice |
| 07:26 |
cornernote |
which makes it even sicker |
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| 07:32 |
Leoneof |
why i'm here? |
| 07:32 |
Peacock |
why are we all here? |
| 07:32 |
Leoneof |
no idea |
| 07:33 |
Peacock |
our lord and saviour Jesus Christ has the answers |
| 07:33 |
Peacock |
:P |
| 07:33 |
Leoneof |
:\ |
| 07:33 |
Peacock |
im kidding, if there is a lord, he's probably more like Q from star trek lol |
| 07:34 |
Leoneof |
by the way, minetest should be fast, light, not heavy with cpu dual-core, graphics are simple like Playstation1 |
| 07:34 |
Peacock |
i've been saying the same thing :P |
| 07:34 |
Leoneof |
something is wrong, either in dev codes, or irrlicht |
| 07:35 |
Peacock |
and yet "must work on old hardware" is still used as an excuse not to implement specific features people don't like lol |
| 07:35 |
Hirato |
silly Peacock, everyone knows it's Islam that has all the answers |
| 07:35 |
Hirato |
care for a goat? |
| 07:35 |
Peacock |
lol been to the middle east? |
| 07:36 |
Peacock |
theres even a huge debate going on over here about letting people wear bed sheets in the public service |
| 07:36 |
Leoneof |
i blame devs for their bad game, performance, and other things |
| 07:36 |
Peacock |
well the devs are hardly united if the logs are anything to go by :P |
| 07:37 |
Peacock |
the more devs they add the less anything gets done, surprisingly |
| 07:37 |
Hirato |
Zionist agents are turning them against each other |
| 07:37 |
Peacock |
lol can't tell if you're trolling or not |
| 07:37 |
us_0gb |
Leoneof: If you think you can do better, feel free to fork. |
| 07:37 |
Leoneof |
Peacock: they will claim that nvidia is making the game slow, not their game ;) |
| 07:37 |
Hirato |
that's what the lizardmen want you t othink |
| 07:37 |
Peacock |
ogb: please, so he can take shit like the FM devs do? |
| 07:38 |
us_0gb |
There's a lot I don't like here, but the good more than outweighs the bad. |
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us_0gb |
"FM"? |
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Peacock |
Leoneof: standard opensource protocol, blame the hardware, then user, and as a last resort, assume the problem lol |
| 07:38 |
Peacock |
ogb: freeminer, still many people butthurt over that |
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us_0gb |
Peacock: What problems do people have with Freeminer? |
| 07:39 |
Peacock |
a lot of people resent it and expect it to fail |
| 07:39 |
Peacock |
even though they seem to be doing better |
| 07:39 |
Leoneof |
indeed! |
| 07:41 |
Peacock |
of course a lot of the resentment stems from people who have worked hard to achieve their present positions in this community (and done very little since :P) |
| 07:41 |
us_0gb |
I might look into switching if they set up a repository compatible with my distribution. I'm too lazy to switch without one. Ironically, I have to compile for my server anyway due to it's PowerPC processor. |
| 07:42 |
Peacock |
i hate compiling but compiling MT/FM is reasonably easy even for me lol |
| 07:42 |
Peacock |
though dont try to convince me to switch to one of those "compile-everything" distros :P |
| 07:42 |
Peacock |
the local off-license don't have a big enough inventory for that |
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us_0gb |
I used to compile everything when I used OS X, but now that I'm on GNU, I'm too lazy. GNU just makes life too easy. |
| 07:43 |
Peacock |
yeah because not much works with/on it :P |
| 07:43 |
Leoneof |
true, i'm lazy with gnu too |
| 07:43 |
Peacock |
(if its the purist distro im thinking of) |
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us_0gb |
Peacock: Ubuntu is a GNU distribution as well. Being pure has nothing to due with its ease. |
| 07:44 |
us_0gb |
Or GNU/Linux if you prefer. |
| 07:44 |
Peacock |
well, only RMS insists on slapping GNU onto all of linux, though the majority of linux would disagree |
| 07:45 |
Peacock |
RMS even actively discouraged people developing for linux at first because it wasn't HURD, having lost that battle, he tried to take credit instead :P |
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us_0gb |
I can't say I agree with everything he does. |
| 07:46 |
Hirato |
I can to the startling realisation yesterday, that Poeterring is the Todd Howard of open source :3c |
| 07:46 |
Hirato |
**came |
| 07:46 |
us_0gb |
But he did organize the system. |
| 07:46 |
Peacock |
yeah but that was back in the 80s |
| 07:46 |
Peacock |
most of you weren't born |
| 07:46 |
Peacock |
what has he done since? except write speeches while everyone develops what we actively use today |
| 07:46 |
Hirato |
St. Ignucious is a legend and a scholar |
| 07:46 |
Peacock |
*everyone else |
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us_0gb |
Hirato: I *really* don't like the "saint" outfit. |
| 07:48 |
Hirato |
:P |
| 07:48 |
Peacock |
well it doesn't help the cult image alot of people have of the fsf, but rms did assume it |
| 07:48 |
Hirato |
RMS is totally one of my heroes, he's a mostly sane man a bit too obsessed with freedom, but he means well :P |
| 07:48 |
us_0gb |
Peacock: It's called education. He tries to advance the cause through education. |
| 07:49 |
Peacock |
hirato: please, he's a few missed shaves away from being bin laden |
| 07:49 |
Hirato |
he's the hero we need, but clearly not the one we deserve |
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us_0gb |
Anyone in favor of the GFDL is no hero of mine. But he does have a lot of good ideas. |
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Peacock |
i prefer the OSI over the FSF lol |
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us_0gb |
Peacock: Yeah, many people do. |
| 07:53 |
Peacock |
weird, i like politics, but real world politics, when it comes to geek stuff, i care for what works. i dont like mixing the two lol |
| 07:53 |
Peacock |
a lot of advocates i get to know don't care much for real world politics, which is probably why they incorporate politics into software instead |
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us_0gb |
Software politics has a lot more real-world implications than you give it credit for. |
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Peacock |
they're not the same, though im not sure i can explain that adequately to anyone's satisfaction |
| 07:55 |
Peacock |
by real world politics, i mean like what's going on in the Ukraine right now |
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us_0gb |
So ... You mean third-world politics. THose are important too, but that doesn't mean first-world politics should be ignored. |
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Peacock |
Ukraine isn't third world, it was up for partnership with the EU lol |
| 07:57 |
Peacock |
obviously important enough for the EU and the Russians to spar over |
| 07:57 |
Peacock |
and even first world politics have very little to do with software: we have much bigger problems to deal with |
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us_0gb |
My bad. Like many stupid United Statsians, I'm bad at geography. |
| 08:01 |
Peacock |
falling real wages, higher costs, lacklustre economies, political polarization, gentrification, the widening gap between rich and poor, etc. |
| 08:02 |
Peacock |
like i keep trying to tell most advocates: so long as you still have war, hunger and poverty, you'll never find mass-appeal for software freedom |
| 08:03 |
Hirato |
pragmatism is a middle ground :P |
| 08:03 |
Peacock |
especially when everything else seems to be getting worse lol |
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Peacock |
though it would be an interesting social experiment: release a mod under a restrictive license, and promise to re-release under a free license if the community can donate x amount to the red cross, that should give an impression of which moralists are willing to put their money with their mouth is :p |
| 08:06 |
Peacock |
*where |
| 08:06 |
ThomasAH |
Peacock: The Humble Minetest Bundle? :) |
| 08:07 |
Hirato |
now with 50 mods preconfigured! |
| 08:07 |
Peacock |
the Humanitarian Bundle i should think :P |
| 08:07 |
Hirato |
making their FOSS debut! |
| 08:07 |
Peacock |
well its about time first-world morals be put to use to end actual suffering lol |
| 08:08 |
Hirato |
meh |
| 08:08 |
Hirato |
I don't care - there's not enough resources for that |
| 08:08 |
us_0gb |
Peacock: No, at least some would refuse (or refuse to report donations) to avoid rewarding you for first releasing under a proprietary license. |
| 08:08 |
Hirato |
sides, first worldia has enough problems staying afloat at the moment |
| 08:09 |
Peacock |
well that's the thing :P why should i give a shit about software freedoms when most of that crowd won't lift a finger to solve real-world problems :p |
| 08:09 |
Hirato |
for one that shit's actually relevant to you |
| 08:10 |
us_0gb |
Subjegation through software and vendor lock-in *are* real world problems, whether you want to admit it or not. |
| 08:10 |
ThomasAH |
us_0gb: then maybe just do it a little different: now in the humble/humanitaria/whatever bundle/shop/store, but the proprietary license will have a clause to automatically switch to something free at day X (with X in 1/2/3/6 months from now). |
| 08:10 |
Peacock |
but subjugation through starvation, poverty and dictatorship are no biggies? |
| 08:10 |
us_0gb |
Also, I'm broke. I work a stupid minimum wage job. Maybe I'll donatw once I graduate, but for now, I have my own problems to wory about. |
| 08:11 |
ThomasAH |
us_0gb: so no blackmail ("pay now, or it will stay proprietary") |
| 08:11 |
Hirato |
It's not that the FSF doesn't care about that stuff, it's that those thigns arne't part of its mission |
| 08:11 |
Peacock |
Thomas well i did say promise, now if people want to punish because it was nonfree to begin with that's their problem, but their refusal won't help move things in the right direction either |
| 08:12 |
Peacock |
hirato of course, the FSF sees the third world as the perfect place to spread free software BECAUSE they're poor, they don't care about the actual causes of poverty |
| 08:12 |
us_0gb |
Peacock: Like I said, those issues matter. But that does not mean that software issues do not *also* matter. |
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* Hirato |
installs Uplay on Peacock's PC |
| 08:12 |
Peacock |
ogb the way most people talk around here, you'd think software freedom was the last and only problem |
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* Hirato |
then hides Peacock's bootloader behind Origin |
| 08:13 |
Hirato |
it's just what people care about here |
| 08:14 |
us_0gb |
Peacock: I don't argue that. THere is a lot of problems in the world. I just do not have the time or energy to take on every just cause. I have to take on one that is relevant to me and do what I can. |
| 08:14 |
Peacock |
yeah well i tend to be objective :P i cant be bothered protesting about software freedoms if i dont spend more time protesting about bigger injustices |
| 08:14 |
Peacock |
^ responding to hirato |
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us_0gb |
I can't do anything about mass starvation, but I can refuse to use proprietary software. |
| 08:15 |
Peacock |
ogb: i think poverty and freedom have a lot more to do with each other than most people realize |
| 08:15 |
us_0gb |
Exactly. |
| 08:15 |
us_0gb |
I thought you were trying to separate the two though. |
| 08:16 |
us_0gb |
Subjugation is subjugation, in any form. |
| 08:18 |
Peacock |
i dont seperate the two, but most people focus on one or the other |
| 08:18 |
Hirato |
anyways, I think you should try to persuade certain activists to do more productive things with their lives http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzdf4V7Cf_M |
| 08:19 |
Peacock |
and you're certainly free to focus on what matters to you, but i'd feel like a hypocrite trying to tackle software freedom when there are much bigger fish to fry |
| 08:19 |
us_0gb |
That's understandable. |
| 08:19 |
us_0gb |
I don't have the resources though. Or the passion. |
| 08:20 |
Peacock |
in any case, you've never tried to preach to me. though anyone who does want to preach to me will wanna make sure they dont consume petrol, live in an oversized house or buy sweat-shop made goods if they want me to take them seriously lol |
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us_0gb |
I don't drink and have a small house (and plan to get a smaller one when I move, though mostly to save money and have less maintenance). I wouldn't know if I have any sweatshop goods though. |
| 08:22 |
Peacock |
well i dont think you can drink petrol :p |
| 08:22 |
Hirato |
if(country_of_manufactur == CHINA) yes(); |
| 08:22 |
Peacock |
unless you're into self-immolation |
| 08:23 |
Hirato |
I AM ONE WITH BUDDHA |
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us_0gb |
Oh, gasoline. My bad. I don't drive either. I walk. THough I want to get a bike. |
| 08:23 |
Peacock |
buddhists did self-immolate yes :P |
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* Hirato |
wonders if peacock watched that video above :D |
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Peacock |
hirato sorry watching something else actually :P |
| 08:24 |
Hirato |
:o |
| 08:24 |
Hirato |
but it's funny, and it's the ind of people you should try to redirect at an actual non-retarded cause :p |
| 08:25 |
Hirato |
assuming there's any chance of success |
| 08:25 |
Peacock |
hirato people are very caught up in their beliefs, doesn't matter which religion or politics |
| 08:25 |
Peacock |
people were probably more evolved in the late 60s and 70s |
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us_0gb |
People, like any other animal, evolved well when there were a lot of threats to survival. Now that almost everyone lives long enough to reproduce, we do evolve backwards a bit. |
| 08:27 |
Peacock |
its pretty ironic that the boomers were all liberals in their youth, and mostly right-wingers when they were well into their careers/near retirement |
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Peacock |
reproduction is another issue entirely :P the whole world could use a one-child policy |
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Hirato |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF65MnhctUQ and yet, our populace responds to our neocon leader :P |
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us_0gb |
Very true. Make that one or less though. I don't want any obligation to breed myself. |
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Peacock |
my wife wants kids, i want cats lol |
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Peacock |
cats don't talk as much, and demand less |
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us_0gb |
Cats are easier to take care of. |
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* Hirato |
files https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ltm8iKGlKk under peacock in his minetest.txt |
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Peacock |
cats will never want an ipad to look up pussy, they can get it on their own |
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Hirato |
b-but apple bans porn! |
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Peacock |
not lolcats lol |
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Peacock |
besides who wants to bring a kid into the world when there's a good chance they'll earn less then you |
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Hirato |
well yeah, lolcats aren't pr0n |
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Hirato |
they'll earn more, it'll jsut be worth way less |
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Hirato |
thanks inflation! |
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Peacock |
sending your kid to university is hardly enough these days to guarantee a decent life |
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Peacock |
inflation isn't the issue |
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Peacock |
we've always had inflation, and had it much worse in the 70s and 80s |
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Peacock |
but more and more people are educated, and a bachelor's is hardly worth anything these days |
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Hirato |
that stuff keeps me up at night |
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Peacock |
well i could never choose a major, i wanted compsci but the tech bubble burst at the end of the 90s |
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Peacock |
and salaries haven't been the same since |
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Peacock |
my father made more as a civil engineer and he wasn't even working in that field |
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Hirato |
lol, not even doing the whole 99% vs the rest? |
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Hirato |
sometimes I just want the west to fall... |
| 08:35 |
Hirato |
it's looking like it'll happen sometime during my lifetime |
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Peacock |
the west did best when europe and the east lay in ruins, the obvious solution is to fund the next hitler and hirohito lol |
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Peacock |
though the way the eu's going, they may produce the next hitler on their own |
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Hirato |
best case scenario, it would secure their ruin |
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Hirato |
worst case scenario, hello big brother and rampant corporationism |
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Hirato |
you know, necessary measures for the war |
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Peacock |
how's that different from the last two world wars? |
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Hirato |
dunno, not very big on history |
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Peacock |
another one of my obsessions lol |
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Peacock |
i put the O in OCD :P |
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Hirato |
but I'm pretty sure the power houses weren't left with an all-seeing despot in charge |
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Peacock |
well the thing with incompetent government in the west is that it might give rise to a competent yet more ideological government |
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Peacock |
either we get fascism 2.0 in the west or we sit tight well the east tears itself apart... with all that shit going down in the east china sea, i'd say the odds are 50/50 |
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Peacock |
*while |
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daswort |
what was the name of the mod where you can walk trough objects and they go into you inventory? |
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Peacock |
in MT? |
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Hirato |
technic does that |
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daswort |
item_drop |
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Peacock |
"BBC News - Fluorescent silicone implants help scientists track endangered frogs" <- and prostitutes XD |
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RealBadAngel |
http://i.imgur.com/XFf9m0D.png |
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RealBadAngel |
^^ UI's tab for waypoints |
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blaise |
http://pastebin.com/MHy31F9L |
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blaise |
interesting crash, eh? |
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RealBadAngel |
looks like some random error ;) |
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specing |
proller: you need to do something to protect the road on Road |
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specing |
proller: idiots are taking cobbles out of it, building directly on it and stealing traffic lights |
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proller |
but they usually cant reach 1000 |
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RealBadAngel |
if somebody wanna try waypoint for UI https://github.com/minetest-technic/unified_inventory/tree/waypoints |
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RealBadAngel |
latest git needed ofc |
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RealBadAngel |
its not finished, but in almost usable state |
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cornernote_ |
hey RealBadAngel |
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RealBadAngel |
hi there |
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RealBadAngel |
how its going? |
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cornernote |
not bad at all, just enjoying my day off |
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cornernote |
happy STRAYA DAY ! |
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cornernote |
sec, gotta get the link to go with it |
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cornernote |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4AchHTN-XQ |
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cornernote |
whats the waypoint thing ? |
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RealBadAngel |
my week off is about to end, going to work in an hour |
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RealBadAngel |
it is hud element bound to world position |
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RealBadAngel |
showing its name and distance to it |
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cornernote |
onscreen, or in your inventory ? |
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RealBadAngel |
http://i.imgur.com/qFdhvne.png |
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RealBadAngel |
on screen |
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cornernote |
nice |
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RealBadAngel |
so you can easily go in waypoint's direction and get to desired place |
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cornernote |
a hole |
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cornernote |
lol |
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RealBadAngel |
some random names for testing ;) |
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RealBadAngel |
servers can for example mark spawn with a waypoint |
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RealBadAngel |
or some other important places |
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cornernote |
can the player hide it ? |
| 11:27 |
cornernote |
toggle |
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RealBadAngel |
in UI's implementation, yes |
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cornernote |
and can other mods hook into it ? |
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cornernote |
eg, i have a mod that places something in the world, can it also add a way-point ? |
| 11:27 |
RealBadAngel |
if they do have hud element ID, then yes |
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cornernote |
how ? |
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RealBadAngel |
ID is given when an element is created |
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RealBadAngel |
with ID you can edit it |
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RealBadAngel |
UI stores IDs in a table |
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RealBadAngel |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L510 |
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RealBadAngel |
and: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1800 |
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cornernote |
i hate that text file |
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RealBadAngel |
hehe |
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cornernote |
hate it SO MUCH !!! |
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RealBadAngel |
better see it in practice: https://github.com/minetest-technic/unified_inventory/blob/waypoints/waypoints.lua |
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cornernote |
i see.. player:hud_add |
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cornernote |
thats cool |
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cornernote |
lots of new engine features added while i been away |
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RealBadAngel |
yup |
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RealBadAngel |
are you workin on somethin new maybe? |
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cornernote |
not really, i did some web pages for my old mods |
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cornernote |
i was thinking of making skyblock2 |
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RealBadAngel |
that could be cool |
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RealBadAngel |
i liked playin skyblock a lot |
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cornernote |
many new devs making many new mods... i can just spend time with other ppls code now =) |
| 11:46 |
cornernote |
seems some of the things i made have been forked and improved on, which is really cool to see |
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RealBadAngel |
ive took yours bag and craftguide code for example and merged it into UI |
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cornernote |
if i recall, skyblock was your idea/suggestion, wasnt it ? |
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RealBadAngel |
yeah, it was |
| 11:47 |
cornernote |
it was a really fun game, the first to have some kind of "goal" system |
| 11:47 |
pitriss |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=127528 //spam |
| 11:48 |
cornernote |
and towntest was really fun, i see someone made NPC framework which is where i wanted to go with it |
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RealBadAngel |
btw, an idea for skyblock2 and waypoints. make a goal to reach specific place in a world, far away from starting island |
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cornernote |
i had some rough thoughts... i see there are sky-islands, and much better support for rendering large amounts of nodes |
| 11:50 |
cornernote |
so i wanted to start with more of a map, not just the tiny bit |
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cornernote |
and the goal is to build upwards |
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cornernote |
i'll def be looking into all the new engine features to take advantage of what the game can do |
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RealBadAngel |
one can be to go down using sand, which could be very rare |
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RealBadAngel |
below there could be system of roads that allow to visit other players (ofc to build up to other one's island should be disallowed) |
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RealBadAngel |
owner should build it on his own |
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RealBadAngel |
have to go, cya around |
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cornernote |
ttyl |
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proller |
indev mapgen have float islands, and you can build up |
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cornernote |
yeah, it looks awesome |
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cornernote |
did you play skyblock1 ? |
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specing |
proller: so protect the first 1000? |
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specing |
proller: first torches started appearing at 1500 |
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specing |
proller: all fine at 2000 |
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proller |
usualle most stupid players plays from andrion and does not have fast key |
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proller |
android |
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specing |
proller: then no_guest mod? |
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Leoneof |
proller__: hello |
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proller__ |
moo |
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Leoneof |
moo? |
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specing |
Leoneof: get on Road |
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Leoneof |
specing: we have a cow here? |
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specing |
yes |
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Leoneof |
great! |
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proller |
Leoneof, moo |
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proller |
. |
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Leoneof |
go you and your moo! |
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Leoneof |
:] |
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iqualfragile |
http://z0r.de/70 |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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Leoneof |
hi PilzAdam |
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Leoneof |
PilzAdam: it's just my opinion, why Half-Life2 is faster than minetest? it must be something wrong in the code or game engine is slow |
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proller |
both |
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Leoneof |
or maybe both |
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sfan5 |
hi everyone |
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iqualfragile |
Leoneof: yeah, minetest rendering is kinda strange |
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iqualfragile |
but it runs moothly on my i5 |
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iqualfragile |
due to archlinux still not releasing 3.13 it has to -.- |
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SirDigby |
huh? |
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SirDigby |
why would you say that |
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SirDigby |
it's like you implied you need a i5 to render minetest |
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PilzAdam |
!tw githubstatus |
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MinetestBot |
Everything operating normally. (@githubstatus) |
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PilzAdam |
liars |
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SirDigby |
heh |
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iqualfragile |
SirDigby: thats what i intended to say |
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iqualfragile |
well, not need |
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iqualfragile |
but you can use an i5 to render minetest via galium llvmmipe |
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iqualfragile |
(without touching your gpu |
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Leoneof |
so |
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SirDigby |
i think you are just showing off |
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SirDigby |
you spent way to much money on a cpu and now have to show it off |
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SirDigby |
like a school boy with new shoes |
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SirDigby |
:) |
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Leoneof |
by using cpu 2Ghz dual core, RAM 2Gb, nvidia 8600 512Mb, the game like Half-Life2 with high settings for resolution, advanced graphics like +bloom, +anti-aliasing, high options for voice + music, it get ~55-60fps, so whats up with minetest? |
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reactor |
Leoneof++; |
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iqualfragile |
SirDigby: no, i am actually ranting about archlinux not putting 3.13 into their repositories so i could use my gpu to do this stuff |
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PilzAdam |
Leoneof, does Half-Life 2 generate a map on the fly? |
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reactor |
Also, have you seen Minecraft? Even slower. |
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PilzAdam |
Leoneof, does Half-Life 2 have dynamic / destructable world? |
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iqualfragile |
PilzAdam: there seems to be some other problem, maybe its too many faces to render? |
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reactor |
(Depends at what, though) |
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iqualfragile |
there is some way to optimize rendering the same geometry in one scene mutliple times, is minetest using that? |
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Leoneof |
PilzAdam: no idea, but minetest is simple, it should be very fast, i guess |
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iqualfragile |
xyz also published some diffs to speed up abms, those were not merged yet |
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iqualfragile |
Leoneof: what gives you the impression minetest would be simple? |
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PilzAdam |
Leoneof, define "simple" |
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Leoneof |
iqualfragile: they are boxes only |
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iqualfragile |
Leoneof: yes, but have you counted the number of boxes? |
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iqualfragile |
(protip, it are loads of boxes) |
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Leoneof |
sorry, brb +10min :) |
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PilzAdam |
being simple from a human point of view doesnt mean its simple from a computer point of view |
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iqualfragile |
http://i.4cdn.org/b/src/1390836471652.jpg looks like they know how to party in ukrainia |
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SirDigby |
can you pin icons on tint2? |
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Leoneof |
back :) |
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EvergreenTree |
o/ |
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sfan5 |
EvergreenTree: updated the irc stats |
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EvergreenTree |
Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jmlazT2FxU |
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EvergreenTree |
!title |
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MinetestBot |
EvergreenTree: Animation Test 3.3 - YouTube |
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EvergreenTree |
It's Jordach's animation |
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Jordach |
meow |
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EvergreenTree |
rowrf |
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VanessaE |
hi |
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Leoneof |
hi |
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reactor |
Hello everyanimalthatcanbeusedfordrugtesting |
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reactor |
|ket> |
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reactor |
Who is <bra| for, then? |
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rubenwardy |
Yo, yo! |
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reactor |
rubberreward: how's the science? |
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rubenwardy |
gdgd, reactor. |
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reactor |
GLaD to hear that. |
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rubenwardy |
Genetic Lifeform and Disk? |
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rubenwardy |
xDD <-- with TWO d's? :O |
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Jordach |
[18:24:25] <rubenwardy> Genetic Lifeform and Dick? <- i just read that |
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* Jordach |
might need glasses |
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rubenwardy |
* Jordach is sexually frustrated |
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Jordach |
fuck you :P |
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iqualfragile |
rubenwardy: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda |
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rubenwardy |
Joking, of course |
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iqualfragile |
with TWO d's! |
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rubenwardy |
wtf |
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rubenwardy |
Is that a shell command? |
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iqualfragile |
yes |
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iqualfragile |
overwrites your first hdd with zeroes |
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rubenwardy |
lol |
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rubenwardy |
Lets NOT run that |
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Jordach |
say wut, i managed to close firefox which was behind quassel |
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iqualfragile |
rubenwardy: why not? its fun! |
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rubenwardy |
!c sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda |
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MinetestBot |
SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) |
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rubenwardy |
!c shell("sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda") |
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MinetestBot |
NameError: name 'shell' is not defined |
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rubenwardy |
:P |
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rubenwardy |
!c io.shell("sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda") |
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MinetestBot |
NameError: name 'io' is not defined |
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iqualfragile |
its even better then rm -rf / because you cant even recover the deleted files |
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rubenwardy |
Ah! Isn't rm -rf / that command that makes you computer run a lot faster? |
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iqualfragile |
yes! |
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Jordach |
iqualfragile, cheers for the formatting tip |
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iqualfragile |
Jordach: want to get rid of deleded files or used swap? |
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sfan5 |
rubenwardy: 1) MinetestBot does not run as root 2) I don't even have /dev/sda on my vps |
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iqualfragile |
sfan5: wut? |
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iqualfragile |
no sda? |
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sfan5 |
user butterfly:~$ mount |
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sfan5 |
/dev/ploop55301p1 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,barrier=1,data=ordered,balloon_ino=12) |
| 18:33 |
iqualfragile |
which os are you running? |
| 18:33 |
sfan5 |
linux ofc |
| 18:33 |
iqualfragile |
aldawat? |
| 18:33 |
iqualfragile |
are you sure that there is no /dev/sda? |
| 18:33 |
sfan5 |
if I believe stat, yes |
| 18:34 |
iqualfragile |
interesting, wich distro? |
| 18:34 |
sfan5 |
ubuntu |
| 18:34 |
iqualfragile |
urgh |
| 18:34 |
VargaD |
iqualfragile: sata hard drives named /dev/sda |
| 18:34 |
iqualfragile |
i would not even be suprized to find /dev/C: on ubuntu |
| 18:34 |
sfan5 |
iqualfragile: same on debian |
| 18:35 |
sfan5 |
ubuntu server isn't as bad as the desktop one (on their field of usage) |
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| 18:35 |
iqualfragile |
nah, debian server, arch desktop |
| 18:35 |
iqualfragile |
all the way |
| 18:36 |
sfan5 |
nope |
| 18:36 |
sfan5 |
I'm ok with debian server, but I'm not using arch for desktop |
| 18:36 |
iqualfragile |
yeah, i am unhappy with archlinux recently |
| 18:36 |
iqualfragile |
3.13 has been released 7 days ago |
| 18:37 |
iqualfragile |
and it did not yet hit the repositories |
| 18:37 |
sfan5 |
arch's rolling-release model is nice, but I don't want to read a webpage before doing updates |
| 18:37 |
iqualfragile |
you dont |
| 18:37 |
sfan5 |
how about you compile a kernel yourself |
| 18:37 |
sfan5 |
? |
| 18:37 |
VargaD |
it isn't that complex after the first time |
| 18:37 |
iqualfragile |
done that often enought |
| 18:37 |
sfan5 |
worked surprisingly back when I had ubuntu |
| 18:38 |
sfan5 |
s/back/good back/ |
| 18:38 |
Jordach |
>ubuntu |
| 18:38 |
iqualfragile |
i just want to be sure arch still works with the new kernel as i do not have a backup computer standing by |
| 18:38 |
iqualfragile |
hmm… could just add 2 grub entries |
| 18:39 |
sfan5 |
I just installed the kernel without doing a backup |
| 18:39 |
sfan5 |
"yolo" |
| 18:39 |
iqualfragile |
sfan5: you do not read a webpage, you just add yet another news source to your rss stream |
| 18:39 |
* sfan5 |
haz no rss stream |
| 18:39 |
iqualfragile |
sfan5: but how do you read your news? |
| 18:40 |
sfan5 |
using browsers |
| 18:40 |
iqualfragile |
try a rss reader |
| 18:41 |
iqualfragile |
makes things a lot more comfortable |
| 18:41 |
iqualfragile |
and almost all newssources provide those these days |
| 18:41 |
sfan5 |
meh, maybe |
| 18:41 |
iqualfragile |
in case you are running kde: akregator is just fine |
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sfan5 |
no, please keep kde out of my machine |
| 18:42 |
rubenwardy |
Is kde as in kubuntu? |
| 18:42 |
Jordach |
yus |
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| 18:42 |
Jordach |
except it's a goddamn thingy |
| 18:42 |
Jordach |
DE |
| 18:43 |
rubenwardy |
( kde > unity ) ? "true" : "false" |
| 18:43 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 18:43 |
iqualfragile |
rubenwardy: yes, kubuntu uses kde |
| 18:43 |
rubenwardy |
Is kde as bad as unity? |
| 18:44 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 18:44 |
iqualfragile |
kde is better |
| 18:44 |
sfan5 |
!c "xfce" > "unity" |
| 18:44 |
MinetestBot |
True |
| 18:44 |
sfan5 |
!c "xfce" > "kde" |
| 18:44 |
MinetestBot |
True |
| 18:44 |
sfan5 |
!c "unity" > "kde" |
| 18:44 |
MinetestBot |
True |
| 18:44 |
sfan5 |
wat |
| 18:44 |
iqualfragile |
!c "xfce" > "KDE" |
| 18:44 |
MinetestBot |
True |
| 18:44 |
sfan5 |
something must be broken |
| 18:45 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 18:45 |
sfan5 |
!c "unity" > "xfce" |
| 18:45 |
MinetestBot |
False |
| 18:45 |
sfan5 |
\o/ |
| 18:45 |
rubenwardy |
What is xfce like compared to kde an unity? |
| 18:45 |
rubenwardy |
*and |
| 18:45 |
iqualfragile |
ühm… |
| 18:46 |
iqualfragile |
dunow |
| 18:46 |
iqualfragile |
buggy i guess |
| 18:46 |
sfan5 |
report a bug to the python devs :P |
| 18:46 |
iqualfragile |
dies when the window title changes too fast/often |
| 18:46 |
iqualfragile |
or was this a problem with lxde |
| 18:46 |
Jordach |
sounds like it |
| 18:48 |
* sfan5 |
throws FLAC at Jordach |
| 18:48 |
Jordach |
huh |
| 18:48 |
Jordach |
wut |
| 18:49 |
sfan5 |
never heard of FLAC?? |
| 18:50 |
reactor |
Jordach: yeah. Genetic Lifeform and Dick. |
| 18:52 |
Jordach |
i know of FLAC |
| 18:54 |
sfan5 |
but it's not normal to get FLAC throws at oneself? |
| 18:54 |
sfan5 |
thrown* |
| 18:56 |
iqualfragile |
sfan5: nah, you usualy use it to shoot things down |
| 18:57 |
* rubenwardy |
is annoyed when he see |
| 18:58 |
* rubenwardy |
is annoyed when he sees youtube videos with .mov or .avi at the end of the title. |
| 18:58 |
Jordach |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14 |
| 18:59 |
sfan5 |
>.mov |
| 18:59 |
sfan5 |
>.avi |
| 18:59 |
sfan5 |
oh god what |
| 18:59 |
sfan5 |
can't people use proper video formats |
| 18:59 |
rubenwardy |
saw this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic2wkO_wkEs |
| 18:59 |
sfan5 |
!title |
| 18:59 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: GCSE Physics Part 24 Distance against Time Graphs.MOV - YouTube |
| 19:00 |
sfan5 |
lets see if youtube can work with vp9, it's googles "own" codec |
| 19:02 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 19:03 |
rubenwardy |
or webm |
| 19:03 |
sfan5 |
webm will surely work |
| 19:04 |
sfan5 |
let's try the outro of some anime |
| 19:04 |
sfan5 |
720p |
| 19:06 |
sfan5 |
fps=4.5 |
| 19:06 |
sfan5 |
h264 encoding is much faster |
| 19:06 |
iqualfragile |
sfan5: s'prize |
| 19:06 |
iqualfragile |
we all wait for daala |
| 19:07 |
sfan5 |
I didn't encode a thing |
| 19:07 |
sfan5 |
wtf is this |
| 19:07 |
sfan5 |
not a single frame |
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sfan5 |
let's try another bitrate |
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sfan5 |
encode done |
| 19:44 |
sfan5 |
the vp9 file is half the size of the h264 file |
| 19:44 |
sfan5 |
but the bitrate is only hald |
| 19:44 |
sfan5 |
half* |
| 19:45 |
sfan5 |
looks surprisingly good |
| 19:45 |
sfan5 |
now let's see if youtube can deal with vp9 |
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sfan5 |
lol, apparently youtube put my video on some kind of waiting list because decoding seems to be that slow |
| 19:52 |
sfan5 |
aaand.. nope |
| 19:52 |
sfan5 |
youtube doesn't support vp9 |
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rubenwardy |
Working out algorithms in spreadsheets: http://ubuntuone.com/62SCiqZyGD3hifBXw4IOmF |
| 20:05 |
rubenwardy |
^ (image) |
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| 20:19 |
Peacock |
Would it be possible to get a function that deletes player files? (im doing this thing where players have to register ingame, and id like to delete the superfluous files of those that don't to keep the number down) |
| 20:19 |
Peacock |
i rigged something up myself yesterday but that was a big pile of fail as minetest recreates the files lol |
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| 21:01 |
Jordach |
THIS. JUST. HAPPENED. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6828429/ |
| 21:02 |
PilzAdam |
where? |
| 21:02 |
Peacock |
are those people serious or just retarded? |
| 21:02 |
Peacock |
* kidding or retarded |
| 21:02 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, #minecraft |
| 21:03 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 21:03 |
Jordach |
Calinou, can attest :P |
| 21:03 |
Calinou |
don't use "retard" as insult |
| 21:04 |
Peacock |
a bit late for that calinou, |
| 21:04 |
PilzAdam |
how was that a insult? |
| 21:04 |
Peacock |
i stopped counting the number of admins, devs and moderators who do lol |
| 21:04 |
Peacock |
and i've heard worse from some of them too lol |
| 21:05 |
Peacock |
so how many of you hang out on #mc? |
| 21:05 |
Calinou |
#minecraft sucks |
| 21:06 |
PilzAdam |
-# |
| 21:06 |
Jordach |
Peacock, me, jojoa, Calinou, sfan5 |
| 21:06 |
Peacock |
spying or trading allegiances? :P |
| 21:08 |
specing |
lol |
| 21:08 |
Peacock |
just making a list for when the revolution comes XD |
| 21:08 |
specing |
Peacock: road goes to 6500 now |
| 21:08 |
specing |
proller: ^ |
| 21:08 |
Peacock |
how do you mix peacock and proller? |
| 21:09 |
specing |
<TAB> did it, not me |
| 21:09 |
proller |
specing, surface found? |
| 21:09 |
proller |
i dig some stairs up at 6000+ |
| 21:09 |
PilzAdam |
specing, but you did <TAB> |
| 21:09 |
Peacock |
ah well, my eye sight is getting pretty bad... was reading labels out loud in the store, and said "charming cat litter for multiple cats" , on closer inspection the word was clumping |
| 21:10 |
proller |
specing, and please. build 1 width now, dont spend time to 3 |
| 21:10 |
specing |
proller: not |
| 21:10 |
specing |
proller: is that not the main mountain? |
| 21:10 |
proller |
no! |
| 21:10 |
specing |
k |
| 21:11 |
proller |
~30% complete |
| 21:11 |
specing |
proller: also about those 3 width: |
| 21:11 |
proller |
now first Intresting mountain started |
| 21:11 |
Peacock |
cant you rig a mod that creates a 3-wide road on the surface along a set of coords? |
| 21:11 |
specing |
1) I do three so theres time for the server to ack the placement and I don't fall down |
| 21:11 |
proller |
it have coooool top |
| 21:11 |
specing |
2) I need to use all the cobbles I mine somehow |
| 21:12 |
specing |
Peacock: Has been done, look at the workers mod |
| 21:12 |
proller |
place cobble to chests |
| 21:12 |
Peacock |
so why not use that? |
| 21:12 |
Peacock |
could save a lot of trouble lol |
| 21:13 |
Peacock |
"place cobble in chest for rockin' tits" :p |
| 21:13 |
specing |
proller: can be destoroyed by TNT |
| 21:13 |
proller |
its cobble, not mese ;) |
| 21:14 |
VanessaE |
um, are dashes allowed in a texture filename? |
| 21:14 |
Peacock |
/\ ? |
| 21:14 |
VanessaE |
no, dash - minus |
| 21:15 |
Peacock |
oh, i know the french name for that, in english i just call it minus lol |
| 21:15 |
VanessaE |
trying to sort out a player texture issue |
| 21:15 |
Peacock |
why not? |
| 21:15 |
Peacock |
though underscores would be more uniform with everything else |
| 21:16 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
| 21:16 |
Peacock |
could try double underscores |
| 21:18 |
VanessaE |
ok, confirmed. |
| 21:18 |
VanessaE |
a username can have a dash but the SKIN FOR IT cannot! |
| 21:18 |
VanessaE |
at least not in pilzadam's player textures mod |
| 21:19 |
Peacock |
out of curiosity, how do you manage player files? (do you have a shitton of them?) |
| 21:20 |
VanessaE |
each server has its own standard player files dir, I don't usually mess with them |
| 21:20 |
Peacock |
so you might have 20 or 30K of them? |
| 21:20 |
VanessaE |
naw |
| 21:20 |
VanessaE |
closr to 6-7k because I deny "Guestxxxx" and gibberish names and the like |
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| 21:21 |
Peacock |
i did too, still managed accrue 5K files in a week :/ |
| 21:21 |
Peacock |
and theres nothing i can do to block people logging in with multiple "fdusdfhhls" names |
| 21:22 |
Peacock |
allright well i'll file an issue requesting a (safe) delete_player_file() function |
| 21:25 |
Jordach |
fuck! |
| 21:25 |
Peacock |
indeed |
| 21:25 |
Jordach |
i'm seeing mesh armature within youtube videos |
| 21:26 |
Peacock |
my YT keeps crashing 2 minutes into any video, its getting quite annoying |
| 21:26 |
Jordach |
i'm able to track bone movements and rotations |
| 21:26 |
Peacock |
i thought they didn't use flash video anymore, why YT it still suck on linux? |
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Jordach |
Peacock, bull |
| 21:28 |
Jordach |
the flash player for ubuntu works fine here |
| 21:29 |
Peacock |
yeah but when i complained about YT/flash crashing, someone here told me YT doesn't use flash anymore |
| 21:29 |
Peacock |
so Y U STILL crash youtube? |
| 21:30 |
Peacock |
im half-tempted to change my debian repos but that could bork crunchbang |
| 21:32 |
specing |
Peacock: you should really protect the road |
| 21:32 |
specing |
proller ^ |
| 21:32 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 21:33 |
proller |
too long |
| 21:33 |
specing |
Peacock: plus those idiots are building cobble towers at spawn, I really have no fcking idea why and where they get those cobbles |
| 21:33 |
specing |
proller: ^ |
| 21:33 |
Peacock |
doublelol |
| 21:33 |
proller |
simpler to repair once per day |
| 21:33 |
Peacock |
+ roflcopter |
| 21:33 |
proller |
initial stuff |
| 21:33 |
proller |
you have 99 cobble on new player |
| 21:33 |
proller |
and pick |
| 21:34 |
proller |
simpler to disable it |
| 21:34 |
specing |
Peacock: so is it that expensive to run the areas protection mod? I was on one server that had lots of these + it was vanilla minetest and it ran fine |
| 21:34 |
specing |
proller: ^ |
| 21:34 |
Peacock |
might be easier to just type proller in future :p |
| 21:35 |
specing |
Peacock: 99 cobble ?!?!? look at the spawn, its a clus*****ck; clean it with some mese nukes ;/ |
| 21:35 |
specing |
proller: ^ |
| 21:35 |
proller |
but mese nuke disabled |
| 21:36 |
specing |
Peacock: how many mountains are there past 7000 until the main one? |
| 21:36 |
specing |
Peacock: and what are their heights? (so I know how to plan the road) |
| 21:36 |
specing |
proller: ^ |
| 21:36 |
specing |
Peacock: /give :) |
| 21:36 |
specing |
proller: ^ |
| 21:36 |
Peacock |
Led Zeppelin - Whole lotta Fail |
| 21:37 |
specing |
I should probably stop deliberately highlightinh Peacock now, I is getting kinda unfun |
| 21:37 |
Peacock |
i dont mind but the red text always make people look pissed off lol |
| 21:37 |
Peacock |
REDRUM |
| 21:37 |
specing |
!rainbow Peacock this better? :D |
| 21:37 |
MinetestBot |
4P4e4a7c7o7c8k8 8t3h3i3s be6t6t6er? 4:4D |
| 21:38 |
Peacock |
not really part of my name is shit-coloured |
| 21:38 |
proller |
height increased |
| 21:38 |
specing |
proller: ? |
| 21:38 |
proller |
after 7000 - maybe 3-4 |
| 21:38 |
proller |
i dont know |
| 21:38 |
specing |
what do you mean increased? |
| 21:38 |
specing |
proller: can you render a heightmap image? |
| 21:41 |
proller |
http://wiki.mandelbulber.com/images/0/0f/Image_-_hypercomplex.jpg |
| 21:42 |
specing |
proller: so that is the Road?! |
| 21:42 |
proller |
maybe 8) |
| 21:42 |
specing |
also is there a bigger image? |
| 21:43 |
proller |
no, but you can make it with mandelbulber |
| 21:43 |
specing |
proller: so the final mountais is actually two to the left and right? |
| 21:43 |
proller |
no, center |
| 21:44 |
specing |
so the thumbnail is as it is viewed from the right? |
| 21:45 |
proller |
spawn on end of long spike |
| 21:47 |
proller |
http://mandelbulber.com/download.php - |
| 21:47 |
proller |
install, load hypercomplex from exabples |
| 21:51 |
specing |
ah it is in repo |
| 21:51 |
specing |
will install |
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specing |
proller: julia or ambiient occlusion one? |
| 22:15 |
proller |
фьишуте |
| 22:15 |
proller |
ambient |
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blaise |
ehrm |
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specing |
blaise: mrhe |
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blaise |
anyone here use gentoo? |
| 22:35 |
VanessaE |
-funroll-loops ;) |
| 22:50 |
specing |
blaise: yes |
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iqualfragile |
blaise: only freaks |
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specing |
If one can find me a better distro... |
| 22:51 |
specing |
(hint: I've tried hard) |
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