IRC log for #minetest, 2014-01-23

Time	Nick	Message
00:18	NekoGloop	http://i.imgur.com/hfCVKIH.png
00:19	kaeza	NekoGloop, FF9?
00:19	NekoGloop	FF9.
00:20	kaeza	been ages since I played that one
00:20	kaeza	BTW, cheater ;)
00:20	NekoGloop	HAMMER TIME
00:25	NekoGloop	also 255 ultima weapons
00:25	NekoGloop	all the moneys
00:42	EvergreenTree	Good grief is it winter outside
00:43	EvergreenTree	It's about 0 degrees farenheit outside
00:43	kaeza	no, it's summer
00:43	EvergreenTree	plus wind chill
00:43	EvergreenTree	kaeza, :P
00:43	kaeza	:D
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01:09	VanessaE	NekoGloop: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=126966#p126966
01:10	NekoGloop	nyan rainbows are expensive?
01:12	VanessaE	yes
01:12	VanessaE	but I was...pointing at the last message.
01:13	NekoGloop	why are nyan rainbows expensive?
01:13	VanessaE	um...
01:14	VanessaE	oh nevermind :P
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01:14	VanessaE	because they can be used to craft nyan cats, which should be expensive as fuck? :)
01:14	NekoGloop	so what's the recipe
01:15	VanessaE	"* Nyan cats/rainbows can be crafted as well, but are extremely expensive by design. In any positions in the crafting grid, place one of the above rainbow blocks along with one each of default diamond, steel, copper, bronze, gold, and Mese blocks, and one each of silver and Mithril blocks from the Moreores mod. Yields exactly one Nyan cat rainbow.
01:15	VanessaE	* Craft nine Nyan cat rainbows to get one Nyan cat itself."
01:16	VanessaE	("above rainbow block" = the usual cheap gloopblocks rainbow made with dyes, mese crystal, and stone))
01:17	* VanessaE	wonders why her scale-everything script didn't catch those larger recipe images...
01:19	NekoGloop	scaffolding :3
01:19	NekoGloop	sexeh scaffolds
01:19	VanessaE	yeah but..well...the scaffolds turned out to be of little use in practice, because you can't place anything on top of them :P
01:20	VanessaE	you can only expand them from the bottom apparently.
01:21	NekoGloop	I'm going to have to call bullshit
01:21	NekoGloop	mmm....
01:22	NekoGloop	call of bullshit failed.
01:22	VanessaE	lol
01:23	VanessaE	there we go, fixed the images that needed resized.
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01:40	* EvergreenTree	is going to attempt to compile rigs of rods
01:40	EvergreenTree	and install the dependencies
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02:57	ShadowNinja	sfan5: So people can't do things like ,,(echo !rainbow test)
02:57	ShadowBot	!rainbow test
02:57	MinetestBot	4t4e4s7t
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03:01	VanessaE	this by you is a rainbow? :P
03:05	Peacock	who's buying who a rainbow? i'd rather have a mercedes
03:05	VanessaE	bbl
03:08	Enke	!rainbow rainbows
03:08	MinetestBot	4r4a4i7n7b7o8w8s
03:08	Peacock	red, brown and yellow lol
03:08	Peacock	reminds me of a food recall i read about recently
03:12	Enke	!rainbow A message long enough to get the entire spectrum
03:12	MinetestBot	4A4 4m7e7s7s8a8g8e3 3l3ong 6e6n6ough4 4t4o7 7g7e8t8 8t3h3e3 ent6i6r6e sp4e4c4t7r7u7m
03:12	Enke	That's better.
03:14	jojoa1997
03:14	jojoa1997	!rainbow Rrraaaiiinnnbbbooowww
03:14	MinetestBot	4R4r4r7a7a7a8i8i8i3n3n3nbbb6o6o6owww
03:15	jojoa1997	yay it works
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04:23	reactor	Who throws a cupcake. Honestly?
04:24	Peacock	better than a flaming bag of dog feces i suppose :/
04:28	reactor	A lot.
04:29	reactor	Besides, cupcakes are exploitable: you can eat them afterwards.
04:29	reactor	Got to shave your head to be able to do that. I should have thought about it.
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05:47	xiong	Okay, it's time to find an identifier. I've knocked my head against this for some time.
05:48	xiong	The referent is the entire configuration of a Minetest server except the world map.
05:49	us_0gb	"conf", maybe?
05:49	us_0gb	Or "config"?
05:49	xiong	Therefore if you copied it from, say, Alfie, you could start a new, virgin world but it would work the same as Alfie's -- same mods, same configuration of them.
05:49	Peacock	in the hareem, there are hundreds of virgin worlds :P
05:50	xiong	Um, yeh... but "conf*" is heavily overloaded as it is; and generally has a much narrower meaning.
05:50	xiong	'star', perhaps; or 'religion'.
05:51	xiong	'star' in that a star system is a collection of worlds; 'religion' in that it is a set of laws that govern any world.
05:51	us_0gb	I found a nice virgin world I like with a small isle in the center. Bigger land is very close.
05:51	xiong	-- ha ha, according to that religion.
05:51	Peacock	naw what you want is a nice pair of big isles :P
05:51	xiong	However both of those are likely poor choices because they require explanation.
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05:52	xiong	Come come, guys; you are all supposed to be bright, creative people. Show a dull old man how it's done.
05:52	Peacock	creative perhaps, the jury's still out on bright
05:52	us_0gb	No, the small isle is nice. It makes a great spawn area.
05:55	us_0gb	xiong: I'm not sure exactly what you are after. A couple sentences in, and I realized I needed more context. What are you doing and why?
05:56	xiong	Don't get excited, nothing here but the README, which is provisional: https://github.com/Xiong/rhea
05:57	xiong	The basic idea is that you should be able to place as much of your server under version control that you can push, and another person pull, and instantly deploy your world on his server -- minus the gigantic map and perhaps the player files.
05:58	xiong	I suppose both are a matter of discretion.
05:59	xiong	The other basic idea is that when you start fooling with your server, you can push any edited mods by themselves and submit a pull req; so upstream can benefit.
05:59	xiong	Therefore submodules.
05:59	us_0gb	That sounds like it could be done in Git with a few files left out. I forget what file you have to edit in the repo to do that, but it's already coded.
05:59	Peacock	like hell lol i dont want to be responsible for the changes i make, a lot of people would find them offensive :P
05:59	xiong	Yes, all the heavy lifting is done with git.
06:00	xiong	Peacock, you may be the equivalent of a lurker. You may (or may not) want to pull somebody else's FOO; you won't want to push. Fine.
06:00	xiong	-- The current task is to name FOO.
06:01	xiong	The point being that it is not a single world but a... set of parallel worlds. All such worlds have the same initial conditions.
06:01	Peacock	well automatically sending data isn't that different from the proprietary apps who phone home which people in the these circles claim to abhor :p
06:01	Peacock	*-the
06:02	us_0gb	I don't think this is automatic, and if it is, it's surely opt-in. I hope.
06:02	xiong	Semi-auto, then. That's irrelevant. You're free to criticize the device once I build it. Just now I'm trying to decide what to call the object it manages.
06:02	xiong	Is git push automatic?
06:02	xiong	I mean, you don't have to do that.
06:02	us_0gb	But yeah, there's a reason I don't have a cell phone.
06:03	xiong	Fewer than eight letters, if I had my druthers.
06:04	Peacock	meh, if the gov't has money to waste to track my cellphone, than my taxes are obviously too high
06:04	us_0gb	It's not only the government, but everyone else as well.
06:05	Peacock	who else tracks cellphones?
06:06	xiong	'cow'? 'basket'? 'galaxy'? 'pantheon'?
06:06	us_0gb	Mostly the government, as you said, as well as the service providers.
06:06	xiong	Or just 'gods'?
06:07	xiong	Should probably avoid plural. 'god'?
06:07	Peacock	well i'd expect that from service providers, the whole idea of the free market is you don't have to do business with people you don't trust
06:07	Peacock	phone, cable and electrical companies know where you live too :P
06:08	us_0gb	I don't trust anyone that won't show me the code of the device they expect me to carry around with me.
06:09	us_0gb	I don't trust the electrical company with my data. You have a point on cable and phone though.
06:09	Peacock	doesnt that include almost everything though?
06:09	us_0gb	No word I can come up with sems to be a good fit, xiong.
06:09	Peacock	cars, computers at work, all those automated helplines, etc.
06:09	Peacock	will you ask to see the code to the parking meters before paying? lol
06:10	Peacock	hell you're not even safe shopping at target, but you have to get on with your life
06:10	us_0gb	Cars don't have my data. I'm not sure what sort of helpline would have my data. I certainly don't give the computer at work my data, the thing runs Windows, I know I can't trust it.
06:10	xiong	Well, I like the system here in Oakland; you put your money in and it prints a paper receipt you stick on your dash. At least you see what you got for your money; once you walk away from your car, no 'computer error' can steal your time.
06:10	Peacock	cars have all sorts of sensors and computers
06:11	us_0gb	THe parking meters and Target don't have my data.
06:11	Peacock	they do if you pay with cards lol
06:12	Peacock	come to think of it, you can't go anywhere with cameras either because of biometrics
06:12	us_0gb	Cars have sensors and computers, but they don't have my sensitive data the way cell phones are expected to these days.
06:12	Peacock	well i'd think knowing everywhere you've been (in your car) would be sensitive data...
06:12	us_0gb	Peopl eput their lives in their cell phones. This involves a high level of trust.
06:13	Peacock	those chipped transit passes
06:13	us_0gb	I don't care if people know where I've been.
06:13	Peacock	well what makes you think you can trust your PC more?
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06:14	Peacock	one of the last snowden articles i read spoke about usb cables with antennas built-in
06:14	Peacock	you can't ask to see the code to that if you don't know it's there
06:15	us_0gb	I can see every line of code that is run on the computer. Or at least I will once the one I ordered arrives. It has been audited countless times. While I can't trust people will look out for me, I can trust they will look out for themselves by bringing these issues to light and having them fixed.
06:15	us_0gb	I didn't know about the USB cables thing. THat's scary.
06:15	Peacock	well then the next obvious vector for someone wanting to snoop is to compromise one of the auditors
06:16	us_0gb	Anyone anywhere can audit this thing. You'd have to compromise a lot of auditors.
06:16	Peacock	i read some article a long while back about some suspicious attempt to insert code in the linux kernel or some other core component
06:17	Peacock	yeah but the point is, if you're going to worry about these things all the time, then you have to audit the whole thing yourself
06:17	us_0gb	Yeah. Linux is full of issues, particularly in the proprietary parts, as they cannot be audited.
06:17	Peacock	naw im talking about someone trying to insert some innocuous looking code into the kernel itself, not one of the blobs
06:18	us_0gb	I don't trust my skills at auditing. I do trust the collective skills and paranoia of thousands though.
06:18	Peacock	wish i had a link but this wasn't a recent read
06:18	us_0gb	It happens. Then it get caught and removed.
06:18	Peacock	well anyone who's paranoid knows if someone wants to get to you, they'll go through the people you trust :P
06:19	us_0gb	But yeah. Even the BIOS on this thing is free. It's a lot harder to keep back doors secret on this thing.
06:19	Peacock	usually friends or family (see stasi)
06:19	Peacock	you're not talking about that fsf approved laptop from 2006?
06:19	us_0gb	Good luck. I trust no one. Not even my friends and family. THough I could be gotten through them, most like.
06:20	us_0gb	Yeah, that thing.
06:20	us_0gb	THe processor will be a downgrade from what I have now, but the rest of the laptop will be an upgrade. My current machine sucks.
06:21	xiong	Yes. High electronic security is pointless unless you also defend against physical attack. Certainly a bit of prudence is wise; but before the NSA spends a year cracking your hard drive, the CIA will put fire to your feet.
06:21	us_0gb	More RAM, more disk space, hardware that functions, plus a microphone.
06:21	xiong	"'Forgot' your password, eh?" zzsst "Remember it now?"
06:21	Peacock	you'd think with the enormous price tag you could have put it together yourself for cheaper though
06:22	us_0gb	I don't know how to flash the BIOS correctly. I hope one day to learn, but not yet.
06:23	us_0gb	Plus, you're paying for the convenience.
06:23	us_0gb	When getting something convenient, you always pay one way or another.
06:24	Peacock	i wouldn't pay for an 8 year old laptop though, unless it was like 50$
06:25	Peacock	+ the hd firmware is proprietary
06:25	Peacock	(looking up specs now)
06:25	reactor	You better stop worrying about crappy firmware and start worrying about x86.
06:25	reactor	It's made of kludges.
06:27	reactor	With monoculture of x86 in commonly available consumer hardware, we're out of options in both questions.
06:27	Peacock	"320 dollars for single core with 1GB of RAM 60GB HDD 1024x768?" please tell me those aren't your specs :/
06:27	us_0gb	Peacock: THe firmware in a hard drive cannot be replaced though, to the best of my knowledge. It's basically just a part of the hardware.
06:28	reactor	And meh. Personally, I'd better buy an older, but reliable machine.
06:28	us_0gb	3GB RAM, 120GB disk space.
06:28	Peacock	my netbook is an atom n450 with a gig of ram and 250gb hdd, better resolution on a smaller LED screen, and i paid half that
06:28	reactor	That's the price you pay for reliability.
06:28	us_0gb	If you know a more reliable free machine, let me know and I'll look into switching.
06:28	reactor	Either that, or pay more money for both modern and reliable hardware, which is unaffordable.
06:29	us_0gb	THe more modern hardware is less free though.
06:29	reactor	Idk.
06:29	Peacock	intel?
06:29	reactor	There must be options, we need to find them.
06:29	us_0gb	I wanted a THinkPenguin, but the BIOS is nonfree, unlike the x60.
06:30	Peacock	i dont really care about free machines, mine need to powerful, both minetest and bluray movies are resource guzzlers lol
06:30	Peacock	well an intel cpu is nonfree either with that microcode
06:30	reactor	I wonder... are there any SPARC laptops still made?
06:30	Peacock	good question
06:30	us_0gb	THat's understandable. You need power. But I need freedom. Different machines for different needs.
06:31	reactor	Heh. I need both. Because computations.
06:31	reactor	Crappy hardware is jammed down our throats.
06:32	reactor	That's because every idiot can use computers nowadays.
06:32	Peacock	apparently coreboot applies microcode binary blobs from cpu vendors
06:32	Peacock	though the FSF might have stripped out the bugfixes
06:33	us_0gb	Power would be nice. I'm not sure if this thing will run Minetest well. But I know what I have now no longer runs Minetest playably anyway.
06:33	reactor	It's more profittable to produce crap that fully supports Windows or other garbage that is "accessible by 2 years old".
06:33	us_0gb	Peacock: The FSF didn't strip that out, but the laptop seller did.
06:33	reactor	Minetest works fine on a 3 years old machine.
06:33	reactor	And that X60 has similar specs.
06:34	reactor	I would say, it's an acceptable option.
06:35	us_0gb	It would be nice to be able to join the game again.
06:35	us_0gb	I don;t know when it will arrive though.
06:37	reactor	What happened to your system?
06:38	us_0gb	I removed the proprietary firmware.
06:38	reactor	ANd broke it?
06:38	reactor	s/N/n/
06:39	reactor	That thins is not worth the effort. It's gambling on your machine's brickability.
06:39	reactor	s/ns/ng/
06:39	us_0gb	It's not "broken" per se, but it doesn't function well graphically any more.
06:39	reactor	And no firmware packages are available for download to roll back?
06:40	Peacock	lol, this religion needs to die
06:40	us_0gb	The firmware stored in the hard drive as part of the operating system, not other firmware built into the components.
06:40	reactor	Ask someone who owns the same machine to dump their ROM?
06:40	reactor	s/the //
06:40	us_0gb	I could put it back with no trouble, I just refuse to.
06:40	reactor	Oh.
06:40	reactor	Well, in your case I would use what works better.
06:41	reactor	That's how I ended up accepting NVIDIA binary blob.
06:41	us_0gb	Yeah. I know, I'm nuts.
06:41	us_0gb	That might be the one I need.
06:41	reactor	It wither works reliably with binary blob, or works mediocrely with open driver.
06:41	reactor	s/wit/eit/
06:42	reactor	If you don't like the idea of such machines spying on you, you can encrypt disks and memory.
06:42	reactor	But it's better just not to let any of sensitive data there.
06:43	reactor	Removes all trouble.
06:43	us_0gb	Still, I'd rather replace the machine. Once I have the new machine to use as my main one, I might put the blob on the nonfunctioning machine just to it isn't garbage, but it won't really hold anything important.
06:44	us_0gb	The machine decrypts the data to use it though. YOu can't encrypt a machine to protect it from itself. Or at least, I don't understand how you could.
06:44	reactor	Oh.
06:44	reactor	Yes. I didn't think about it.
06:44	reactor	Well, you can greatly reduce risks, never eliminate.
06:44	us_0gb	Plus, there's more than just spying. Antifeatures, freedom, knowledge, lock in ...
06:44	Peacock	i have a hard time understanding where a lot of this paranoia comes from, for what possible reason would anyone want to spy on you?
06:45	reactor	How is working video an antiefature, us_0gb?
06:45	us_0gb	Spying isn't even the main issue for me personally, Peacock.
06:45	Peacock	okay so it's more the lock-in?
06:45	reactor	Also, we don't usually deal with anything top secret, do we?
06:46	us_0gb	reactor: AMD says their blob has DRM, which is an antifeature.
06:46	reactor	And how is it lock-in if you can still use a free OS on it?
06:46	reactor	Have you encountered it?
06:46	us_0gb	You're locked into using their version of the firmware.
06:46	Peacock	DVD players have encryption and region locking, cable providers scramble their channels, what do you do for entertainment?
06:46	reactor	You sure you're talking about Digital Rights Management, not Direct Rendering M(something?)?
06:46	us_0gb	I've encountered the lock in. Not the DRM though.
06:47	us_0gb	Yes, the former.
06:47	us_0gb	Peacock: Games, music, usually not movies, though just because I don't like movies.
06:48	Peacock	well there are foreign films :P
06:48	Peacock	something tells me you'd like The Lives of Others (Das Leben der Anderen)
06:49	us_0gb	I haven't seen a whole lot of films that were worth my time, so I don't seek out films.
06:49	us_0gb	I'll look into that one though.
06:49	us_0gb	re specifically brought to my attention.
06:49	Peacock	well half of movie watching is either to pass the time or as a social thing
06:50	Peacock	in my case you can chalk it up to insomnia lol
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06:50	Peacock	especially when the seasons change, i get pretty much caught up lol
06:50	reactor	People still want to pass time?
06:50	us_0gb	Like I have time to pass ... I waste too much of my time either playing games or talking on IRC.
06:51	Peacock	reactor hell yeah, i once worked in a store that opened a month before the street closed, for a year and a half all i had to do was watch movies lol
06:51	reactor	Depressed?
06:52	Peacock	a store with no customers? yeah lol
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06:52	us_0gb	I also wasted a lot of time trying to get Aptitude to function. As soon as I find a solution to clean up the messes Aptitude likes to leave on my system, it stopped leaving messes. So much time lost.
06:52	Peacock	try pacman for a few months, you'll love apt
06:53	us_0gb	Pacman ... was that one Arch?
06:53	reactor	apt != aptitude
06:53	reactor	aptitude is some frontend
06:53	Peacock	well whatever the fark synaptic uses lol
06:53	Peacock	pacman is arch's woefully inadequate package manager
06:53	us_0gb	I know, Aptitude has better dependency handling than APT.
06:54	reactor	Arch Linux has gone completely mad, I heard.
06:54	Peacock	pacman installs shit in any order it likes, usually breaking system upgrades, and half the apps you really want are on aur, so you need something else on top :P
06:54	us_0gb	Arch seems a bit unfriendly to me.
06:54	Peacock	i switched away from arch 6-9 months ago
06:55	Peacock	bleeding edge sounds cool in the beginning, until you realize you're the first to file bug reports, and are frequently left with broken installs :P
06:56	us_0gb	I might try the free version of Arch when I have time to kill. But that does not happen often. My live USB creating software doesn't like the ISO, and I don't want to burn a CD. SO I probably first need to learn to use dd or something.
06:56	reactor	They jammed systemd down their users' throats.
06:56	Peacock	and no one takes your bug reports seriously until the ubuntu/debian/redhat crowd get the latest version and start filing them too lol
06:56	Peacock	ogb well you might like arch hurd (or hurd arch?)
06:57	Peacock	last i read systemd was all over the place
06:57	Peacock	but hell, that's no different from pulseaudio which nobody wanted either
06:57	reactor	pulseaudio... don't remind me of that headache
06:57	us_0gb	Maybe, if there's a free version of that as well. WHat I really look forward to though is Guix.
06:57	Peacock	with alsa my onboard intel sound just works, with pulse it doesn't, and they blame my hardware lol
06:57	reactor	Its name is appropriate. Some people got it giving only a short piece of audio and dying!
06:58	reactor	I never understood the underlying stuff of alsa.
06:58	Peacock	pulse as is pulsating screeches and blow subwoofers lol
06:58	reactor	Why don't Linux folks like OSS?
06:58	Peacock	i hear it's dead
06:58	reactor	It lives and prospers.
06:58	Peacock	oss, oss4, and jackd
06:58	reactor	On all BSD.
06:59	Peacock	if BSD had a live image that booted up into a desktop, i would seriously consider it
06:59	reactor	jack is for realtime audio.
06:59	reactor	It has live image. No desktop, though.
06:59	us_0gb	I don't know anything about sound. I'll take whatever is free and works.
06:59	reactor	You don't need desktop when restoring your machine after a crash.
06:59	reactor	Why bother?
06:59	Peacock	sound: ill take whatever works, and that's rare enough :P
07:00	reactor	The only thing that worked out of the box for me was OSS. In some cases, ALSA.
07:00	Peacock	i still have fond memories of pre-win 3 days :P id rather boot into a desktop, even if it's minimal like openbox
07:00	reactor	Pulse always caused problems.
07:00	us_0gb	You don't need a desktop to restore your system if you're tech savy ... but what if you're not?
07:01	reactor	Why care about those who aren't?
07:01	reactor	Because of those people we have crappy hardware and crappy software.
07:01	us_0gb	I'm one who's not, for one thing. So I need to find something that works for me.
07:01	Peacock	well you can know your way around a computer without necessarily wanting to remember all the terminal kung-fu to get shit back to working condition :P
07:02	us_0gb	Peacock: For the record, I do not recommend this, but in the spirit of knowledge ... there are versions of BSD with preinstalled desktops. Such as PC-BSD.
07:02	Peacock	computers are supposed to help you get work done, they're not supposed to be the subject of work itself, unless you're in IT
07:02	reactor	It's not kung-fu. It's basics.
07:02	reactor	Everyone using UNIX should know it.
07:03	reactor	It's essential to know at least how to operate fsck.
07:03	reactor	I am not a computer specialist, either. But those things never got in my way.
07:03	reactor	They just work.
07:03	us_0gb	See, I don't know how to operate fsck. Nor am I sure why I should have to.
07:03	Peacock	i knew how to operate the windows version of chkdsk before they evolved beyond the shell, having to relearn this shit for unix seems like a step back
07:04	reactor	All those GUI gimmicks only work in good conditions. When something breaks, it becomes a nightmare.
07:04	Peacock	well obviously in opensource GUI experience is terrible because it's all balkanized
07:04	Peacock	i set a theme and some apps decide "fuck that" and draw with their own set of ugly colors and fonts lol
07:04	reactor	Because frontends to fsck are not available in single-user mode.
07:05	us_0gb	When it becomes a nightmare, you pay your tech-savvy friend to help you fix it, reactor.
07:05	reactor	And if your file system is not clean, you can't go multiuser.
07:05	reactor	When it becomes a nightmare, it's better to go "fuck this shit" and learn the proper way.
07:05	reactor	More profittable in the long term.
07:05	us_0gb	Another option is to back up your data and reinstall. THat usually fixes my problems, though is inconvenient.
07:06	Peacock	i did once rescue an old laptop by mapping out the bad sectors, but i dont remember how to do that know... thats the thing, you can learn all these things, but if you dont use them often enough you forget
07:06	Peacock	*know = now
07:06	Peacock	and if you're doing it often, then you obviously have a shit OS lol
07:07	us_0gb	Or you're the tech-savvy friend everyone calls. Or you're an actual repair guy.
07:16	reactor	us_0gb: that is lame
07:16	reactor	Not meaning to offend. I used to do that back in the day.
07:16	reactor	I don't like the idea of outsouring repair of my systems.
07:17	reactor	Every time I did that I wasn't satisfied. They either screwed up my data or my electronics.
07:17	reactor	Most IT repairmen here are idiots with crooked hands.
07:18	us_0gb	No offense taken. I don't outsource my repairs either, I just use my biggest hammer: the OS reinstallation media. It fixes almost any problem.
07:18	reactor	Peacock: growing number of bad sectors is an indication of imminent disk failure.
07:18	Peacock	well it did die a year later :P
07:18	reactor	Exactly, but knowing proper utils saves time in that.
07:19	us_0gb	But I also don't think everyone can be good at everything. Learning fsck isn't a task everyone wants to take on.
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07:20	reactor	Gotta scramble. o/
07:22	us_0gb	I keep trying to use a light theme for my desktop as they have better applications support ... but they're so ugly! I wish applications had better support for dark themes.
07:31	Peacock	well 95% of xfce works with dark themes
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07:33	us_0gb	True. I shouldn't complain about the part that doesn't.
07:34	Peacock	well i think it's only qt apps that dont behave but there's a fix somewhere on the net
07:35	us_0gb	Qt ... I'll look into that. If it's as simple as not using Qt applications, that's a simple fix.
07:36	Peacock	unless you like vlc like me lol
07:36	Peacock	or you run razor-qt (the QT de)
07:38	us_0gb	VLC has issues when I try to use it. It looks nice, but isn't worth the hassle of dealing with an application that refuses to shut down even with killall.
07:38	Peacock	i think you have to use kill -9 pid
07:40	us_0gb	The [X] should close it though. It doesn't do that on my system. And VLC isn't even frozen, it still reacts and plays media.
07:41	Peacock	well alot of apps do that, used to have a forcekill applet for gnome 2
07:43	us_0gb	Yeah, well. I'd rather have a media player that does as I ask it to. I should use Parole, the Xfce media player, but I can't get it working, so I use gnome-mplayer.
07:43	us_0gb	I hardly ever have media to play anyway.
07:43	Peacock	i cant stand the performance or quality of mplayer
07:44	us_0gb	I don't know what I'm doing when it comes to media. It figgures that I'd choose a poor media player.
07:45	Peacock	they all suck one way or another lol
07:46	us_0gb	THat sounds like music players. I've yet to find a good one of those.
07:48	Peacock	music players, they all have good features, but no one player has all the good features
07:48	Peacock	or they try to sort my collection into a different folder structure then what i setup lol
07:55	us_0gb	I find it difficult to find music players that don't try to play everything on my hard drive when I tell them to play one song but also incorporate a music manager.
07:56	Peacock	yeah because nothing beats a mix of classical, jazz, old rock and house lol
07:57	us_0gb	Many things on my drive aren't even music. I'm listening to music, then BAM, now it's my alarm clock buzzer.
08:00	Peacock	imagine those players that mixes audio with video lol
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09:20	OldCoder	Hi
09:20	OldCoder	Does anybody have contacts with Minerealms? If I remember the name correctly. I was asked to host the project and said yes. But I didn't hear back.
09:21	OldCoder	RealBadAngel, VanessaE, ShadowNinja, Taoki, sfan5 ^
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12:26	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
12:27	sfan5	hi everyone
12:27	sfan5	hi everyone
12:27	sfan5	s/.+//
12:34	PilzAdam	are my headphones broken?
12:38	VanessaE	good morning
12:41	reactor	200 "3DPABCTBYNTE"
12:45	reactor	200 "If you don't know Russian, time to learn it."
12:45	PilzAdam	199 GOTO 201
12:46	reactor	Same as Latin D.
12:46	reactor	English*
12:46	reactor	ZD
12:46	reactor	Ð” = D
12:47	reactor	I hate how inventors of Russian script used hipster characters.
12:47	reactor	They could have used ASCII.
12:47	reactor	Yeah.
12:48	reactor	The most worthless of them all.
12:48	PilzAdam	they were hipster before it was hipster to be hipster
12:48	reactor	Heheh.
12:48	reactor	yeah
12:49	reactor	zdravstvujte
12:49	reactor	^that's simpler, isn't it?
12:49	reactor	also, s/Ð¸/Ð¹/
12:49	reactor	Ð™Ð¹Ð¹Ð¹Ð¹Ð¹ Ð™Ð¹Ð¹Ð¹Ð¹.
12:49	reactor	i = Ð¸, j = Ð¹
12:50	reactor	i j i j i j; Ð¸ Ð¹ Ð¸ Ð¹
12:50	reactor	a = a
12:50	reactor	Ñ‰ = sch
12:50	reactor	Ñˆ = sh
12:51	reactor	Ñ‡ = ch
12:51	reactor	etc.
12:51	reactor	Ñ‡Ñ‘Ð»ÐºÐ° Ð±Ð¾Ð»ÐµÐ»ÑŒÑ‰Ð¸Ðº?
12:51	reactor	Can you translate it to English?
12:51	reactor	Because I can't.
12:51	reactor	It doesn't make sense in Russian
12:52	PilzAdam	I knew it; reactor is a brony
12:53	reactor	Ñ‡Ñ‘Ð»ÐºÐ° is the hair on person's forehead
12:53	reactor	Ð±Ð¾Ð»ÐµÐ»ÑŒÑ‰Ð¸Ðº is rather a sport fan
12:53	reactor	like football
12:54	reactor	we call bronies Ð±Ñ€Ð¾Ð½Ð¸
12:54	reactor	okay?
12:54	PilzAdam	in germany the hair on person's forehead is called "pony"
12:54	reactor	I see.
12:54	reactor	PilzAdam: I am not a brony. How did we get in this line of work?
12:54	reactor	no
12:54	reactor	Ð±Ñ€Ð¾Ð½Ð¸
12:54	reactor	broni
12:55	reactor	not bronj
12:55	reactor	In English, it's brony
12:55	reactor	in Russian, broni
12:55	reactor	though... hmm
12:55	reactor	hmm
12:55	reactor	wait a sec
12:55	reactor	actually, it's brony
12:55	reactor	because that's what y is for
12:56	reactor	no... no no no wait
12:56	reactor	in transliterated Russian, y is typically used for Ñ‹
12:56	reactor	so broni
12:56	reactor	Ð¹ is j in transliterated Russian.
12:56	reactor	Ñ‹ is y
12:57	reactor	by some
12:58	reactor	A B W G D Ee E" Zh Z I J K L M N O P R S T U F H C Ch Sh Sch E U Ja
12:59	reactor	Well, idk
12:59	reactor	they could have used same set of characters
12:59	reactor	one
12:59	reactor	so they we wouldn't have to invent those weird charsets to fit them all
13:00	reactor	Ð»Ð¤Ð«Ð“Ð¨Ð’Ð¢Ð¨ Ð©Ð¦Ð¤Ð Ð“Ð¢Ð¨ÐÐ¢!
13:00	reactor	as V or W
13:00	reactor	depends
13:00	reactor	On phonetic keyboard, V is mapped to Ð–
13:00	reactor	and Q Ñ‚Ð¾ Ð¯
13:02	reactor	I've always seen Ð¿Ð¸Ð²Ð¾ as pivo.
13:02	reactor	probably
13:03	MinetestBot	4â™ª4â™ª4â™ª7â™ª7â™ª7â™ª8â™ª8â™ª8â™ª3â™ª3â™ª3â™ªâ™ªâ™ªâ™ª6â™ª6â™ª6â™ªâ™ªâ™ªâ™ª4â™ª4â™ª4â™ª7â™ª
13:05	reactor	!rainbow I am pointless.
13:05	MinetestBot	4I4 4a7m7 7p8o8i8n3t3l3ess.
13:05	reactor	Yes you are.
13:05	reactor	john_minetest: Ð¶ÐµÐ»Ð°Ñ‚Ð¸Ð½Ð¾Ð²Ñ‹Ð¹ Ð¼ÐµÐ´Ð²ÐµÐ´ÑŒ
13:06	reactor	Oh, the sort of marmalade? Ð¼Ð°Ñ€Ð¼ÐµÐ»Ð°Ð´Ð½Ñ‹Ðµ Ð¼Ð¸ÑˆÐºÐ¸
13:06	reactor	Ñƒ Ð²Ð°Ñ Ð² ÑƒÑ‡ÐµÐ±Ð½Ð¸ÐºÐµ ÐµÑÑ‚ÑŒ Ð½Ð°Ð²ÐµÑ€Ð½Ð¾Ðµ
13:10	reactor	they're made of gelatine
13:10	reactor	marmalade
13:12	reactor	yes
13:13	reactor	hence marmelade
13:13	reactor	yes
13:13	reactor	but gelatine makes the most
13:15	reactor	interesting
13:15	reactor	Well, that means they're junk food then.
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15:42	puhfa	VanessaE: do you have specs for your servers' hardware somewhere? i have found them pretty lag-free (perhaps ive just been lucky), and theres this one very laggy server where we are trying to solve the lag problem
15:43	VanessaE	um
15:43	VanessaE	yeah
15:43	VanessaE	one sec.
15:44	VanessaE	lemme find the page
15:46	VanessaE	looks like they aren't offering the package I have, anymore
15:47	VanessaE	but it's a dual-core/4-thread Xeon 3.4 GHz, 8GB RAM, 2TB storage, 5TB/mo bandwidth, costs me USD $29/mo
15:50	puhfa	okay, thanks
15:50	puhfa	seems that we are running on even more powerful setup, so i guess its not the hardware to blame
15:51	puhfa	or same cpu but more ram, not that it would matter much with the scripts
15:51	VanessaE	maybe just some laggy mod?
15:52	VanessaE	this server's on a 100 Mbps network connection also
15:54	kahrl	perhaps try these settings: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1825
15:54	puhfa	yeah, probably a mod that lags
15:54	puhfa	or too many mods :P
15:55	puhfa	kahrl: ty, the admins have already fiddled with the config but to no avail :(
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16:00	proller	there is 2 problems:
16:00	proller	1 - mods
16:00	proller	2 - minetest
16:03	puhfa	yes, that about sums it up, thank you
16:08	proller	or try freeminer, it can be faster
16:11	puhfa	we have tried that too
16:11	puhfa	now we are disabling or rolling back mods one by one, seems to help a little
16:12	puhfa	because the lag is a recent issue
16:12	puhfa	well, at its current magnitude at least
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16:54	GatesKeeper	VanessaE
16:54	VanessaE	hm?
16:55	GatesKeeper	how do i get to the public irc XD?
16:55	VanessaE	irc.inchra.net #minetest
16:55	VanessaE	if you mean the one for the servers.
16:55	GatesKeeper	yeah
16:55	VanessaE	the channel you're in now is for general Minetest chit-chat
16:56	VanessaE	this is the main Minetest channel for everything related to the game and its engine
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16:57	puhfa	and cats
16:57	GatesKeeper	oh
16:57	puhfa	mostly cats
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16:58	* VanessaE	puts a kitten on puhfa's head
16:58	puhfa	:3
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17:02	* Sokomine	inspects the kitten
17:02	* Sokomine	puts a bowl of milk on the channel
17:06	VanessaE	hey soko,
17:06	* puhfa	loses his new fuzzy hat
17:07	puhfa	well, it was warm as long as it lasted
17:07	Sokomine	hi
17:07	Sokomine	perhaps the kitten will come back after it got the milk :-)
17:07	VanessaE	heh
17:07	puhfa	let us hope
17:08	twoelk	hi Sokomine, any servers with the new anvil installed allready?
17:10	VanessaE	twoelk: my creative and survival should have it.
17:13	twoelk	will retry then
17:15	puhfa	how laggy is the survival server?
17:16	puhfa	because it seems to have both technic and mesecons which we suspected to be the main cause of our lag
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17:16	Gateskeeper	VanessaE
17:19	Jordach	just give the kittens some jeans
17:20	Sokomine	thanks for installing it, vanessa :-) hope the repair function is ok
17:21	Sokomine	perhaps i can find someone who does sounds for some of the items from cottages. especially the machines/tools could use them i think
17:21	Sokomine	i myshelf play with sounds off, but lots of players seem to like sounds
17:22	twoelk	nope it does not work, two conflicting anvils
17:22	twoelk	at least on VE-S
17:24	VanessaE	two anvils?
17:24	VanessaE	puhfa: well mesecons has code in hit that limits how much CPU it can take
17:25	VanessaE	oh I see
17:25	VanessaE	Dan's castles mod has an anvil also
17:25	VanessaE	Sokomine: can you provide a recipe in your mod to cross-convert between yours and "castle:anvil" ?
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17:29	Sokomine	noticed it now...i didn't think of the castles-anvil. that one does not seem to do anything?
17:30	Sokomine	hm. what do you suggest? another receipe might be an option. cross-converting..hm, yes, might be another option. but then it would become difficult to get the anvil from castles...
17:30	twoelk	at the moment the recipe defaults to castle-anvil, could this be switched?
17:31	Sokomine	not really. it is more or less random which receipe will "win". it used to be alphabetically
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17:31	Sokomine	that cross-converting might really be a good idea. there are not that many anvils around....
17:32	twoelk	I think we could do without castle-anvil, but the rest of castle should be kept
17:32	Sokomine	can't disable an existing receipe. vanessa could only disable it locally
17:32	Sokomine	but i can provide the conversion receipe. what's the correct name of the castle-anvil?
17:33	twoelk	no aliasing?
17:33	VanessaE	[01-23 12:25] <VanessaE> Sokomine: can you provide a recipe in your mod to cross-convert between yours and "castle:anvil" ?
17:33	VanessaE	:)
17:33	VanessaE	so, yeah. "castle:anvil"
17:33	twoelk	bending triggers? whatever?
17:33	puhfa	VanessaE: it has? thanks, that could be useful and worth taking a look at :o
17:33	VanessaE	I'm not sure what the castles mod's anvil does, if anything, though
17:34	Sokomine	it didn't do anything upon rightclick. probably it's just decorative
17:35	VanessaE	probably so
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17:43	Sokomine	ok. update pushed. ought to work now
17:44	twoelk	nothing the anvil does in my version (20140115) of Dan's code
17:45	VanessaE	ok, pulled and staged.
17:45	VanessaE	I'll deploy it when the server is idle enough.
17:45	twoelk	the recipe is in town_item.lua
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17:56	Sokomine	ok. i used giveme to get the cottages anvil, set up a shop and thrashed the same amount of castle-anvils
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18:02	rubenwardy	Hi all
18:05	rubenwardy	Grrrr. Java's security settings are annoying
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18:21	twoelk	Sokomine, the anvil works as intended. Now we only have two lookalike hamers, one mends tools and one destroys anvils ;-)
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18:41	Sokomine	oh :-) hm
18:41	Sokomine	perhaps the original hammer is too strong :)
18:41	* Sokomine	puts some rubber around it
18:42	Sokomine	getting textures is difficult. vanessa pointed this one out to me, and so i took it gladly
18:46	rubenwardy	Haggis... and mash?!
18:48	Calinou	Sokomine, there is duplication bug in circular saw :( no idea how to fix
18:48	Calinou	you got a PM about it on the forum, I think
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18:58	EvergreenTree	o/
18:59	* EvergreenTree	has been on an adventure attempting to compile all the dependencies of rigsofrods
19:03	EvergreenTree	It's not easy
19:03	EvergreenTree	to say the least
19:03	EvergreenTree	I'm stuck on compiling Caelum
19:03	EvergreenTree	did you ever manage to do it?
19:05	EvergreenTree	hm
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19:06	EvergreenTree	How long ago exactly?
19:07	EvergreenTree	oh, apparently caelum isn't completely necessary
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19:29	EvergreenTree	mkay
19:29	EvergreenTree	Ogre3d is a pain to install correctly
19:30	EvergreenTree	I wonder if there's a rigsofrods irc channel
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19:31	fwilson	proller: hi, out of curiousity, are you a human?
19:32	proller	no
19:32	fwilson	ah ok, what are you?
19:32	specing	proller: did you check out the dungeons?
19:32	fwilson	oh good he's a person :)
19:32	specing	fwilson: hes a troll
19:32	fwilson	k
19:32	proller	yes
19:33	specing	though he seems to be in relatively normal form right now, for a troll
19:33	* specing	takes that back
19:33	troller	specing, someone reach 8000
19:34	specing	well whatever
19:34	troller	and 2000 high
19:34	specing	I'm buildign a road to there
19:34	specing	Im at 1300 now
19:34	troller	goood
19:34	specing	I got tired of running on ice and water and climbing falling dirt
19:34	troller	build 1x2 for first
19:34	troller	its faster
19:35	specing	k
19:35	troller	dirt now not falling
19:35	specing	tunnels are 3x2 for now, some even 3x4
19:35	specing	since I need cobbles
19:35	specing	for bridges
19:35	troller	and i think need to get giveme privs and make mese picks for faster
19:35	specing	mese pickaxes help
19:35	specing	john_minetest: come help on Road
19:36	troller	you can minimize bridges
19:36	troller	heigtht increasing after every mountain
19:37	troller	and you can find mese on high mountains
19:38	troller	Road
19:38	specing	john_minetest: Road
19:39	EvergreenTree	hm, apparently caelum is needed
19:39	EvergreenTree	grrr
19:39	specing	troller: err, torch doesen't light up surroundings when it is selected?
19:39	specing	troller: I just updated
19:39	troller	yes
19:40	troller	but only for you
19:42	specing	0.0
19:42	specing	:(
19:42	specing	I hate you
19:43	troller	why
19:55	specing	because no torch flashlight
19:55	specing	john_minetest: where are you?
19:55	specing	troller: also you refuse to apply my TNT patch
19:55	troller	now i have no time
19:56	troller	and resend link to me
20:01	sfan5	!c bin(0x7f)
20:01	MinetestBot	'0b1111111'
20:01	puhfa	:o does it know decimal too?
20:01	puhfa	!c bin(666)
20:01	MinetestBot	'0b1010011010'
20:01	puhfa	well this thing is useful
20:01	rubenwardy	huh. Do they really use 0b like 0x?
20:01	puhfa	hex still goes but cant convert dec->bin in my head
20:02	sfan5	puhfa: https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/calc.py#L19 + all math lib functions
20:02	rubenwardy	!c dec(0x11111111)
20:02	MinetestBot	Exception: Function not known: 'dec'
20:02	puhfa	ty <3
20:02	rubenwardy	!c decimal(0x11111111)
20:02	MinetestBot	Exception: Function not known: 'decimal'
20:02	sfan5	!c 0x11111111
20:02	MinetestBot	286331153
20:02	sfan5	like thaat
20:02	sfan5	-a
20:02	rubenwardy	ah
20:02	rubenwardy	!c 0b11111111
20:02	MinetestBot	255
20:03	rubenwardy	!c 0b11111111 & 0x11
20:03	MinetestBot	Exception: <class '_ast.BitAnd'>
20:03	sfan5	how useful..
20:03	rubenwardy	!c 0b11111111 & 0b11
20:03	MinetestBot	Exception: <class '_ast.BitAnd'>
20:03	specing	troller: you are trolling me, aren't you?
20:04	sfan5	rubenwardy: I'll fix that now
20:04	rubenwardy	Is troller proller?
20:04	rubenwardy	!c 0b10 >> 1
20:04	MinetestBot	Exception: <class '_ast.RShift'>
20:04	rubenwardy	:D
20:04	rubenwardy	Lets write a program in MinetestBot!
20:05	rubenwardy	Make minetestbot like an ALU, and thus make a computer.
20:05	rubenwardy	*use
20:06	sfan5	rubenwardy: you could probably do that with map() and other funtions
20:06	sfan5	+c7
20:06	sfan5	s/7/
20:06	sfan5	/
20:06	sfan5	damnit
20:08	puhfa	could we implement a minetest server in minetestbot
20:08	puhfa	then it could run a mesecon ircbot...
20:08	sfan5	lol
20:09	rubenwardy	Ha
20:09	puhfa	i seriously hope i wont live to see the day when socket blocks or something similar is added to mesecons
20:09	puhfa	because that would mean somebody actually plans to use them
20:09	puhfa	hmm actually it could be a good idea :o
20:10	sfan5	!c 1 > 5
20:10	MinetestBot	Exception: AST node type not allowed: 'Compare'
20:12	troller	!c Ð° > b
20:12	MinetestBot	Exception: invalid syntax (<unknown>, line 1)
20:12	troller	!c 'Ð°' > 'b'
20:12	MinetestBot	Exception: AST node type not allowed: 'Compare'
20:12	sfan5	I wish I could just throw stuff into eval()
20:13	specing	http://sprunge.us/FVRj troller
20:13	rubenwardy	!c random
20:13	MinetestBot	Exception: AST node type not allowed: 'Name'
20:14	rubenwardy	!c random()
20:14	MinetestBot	0.8233937288312766
20:14	rubenwardy	!c 5*"Kittens, "
20:14	MinetestBot	'Kittens, Kittens, Kittens, Kittens, Kittens, '
20:14	MinetestBot	Stop abusing me!
20:14	rubenwardy	!c "Ok sorry!"
20:14	MinetestBot	'Ok sorry!'
20:14	rubenwardy	Mw ha ha ha!
20:15	specing	john_minetest: where are you?
20:16	jojoa1997	!c 5*"rubenwardy"
20:16	MinetestBot	'rubenwardyrubenwardyrubenwardyrubenwardyrubenwardy'
20:16	jojoa1997	MinetestBot, spams ^^^
20:17	sfan5	oh god whatz
20:17	sfan5	-z
20:17	puhfa	!c (int)(5 * random())
20:17	MinetestBot	4
20:17	puhfa	neat
20:17	sfan5	TIL c-like type casting works in python
20:17	sfan5	well..
20:17	rubenwardy	!c random()10"jojoa1997 "
20:17	MinetestBot	Exception: can't multiply sequence by non-int of type 'float'
20:17	rubenwardy	lol
20:18	puhfa	:D
20:18	jojoa1997	!c 5*"NOPE! "
20:18	MinetestBot	'NOPE! NOPE! NOPE! NOPE! NOPE! '
20:18	rubenwardy	!c round(random())10"jojoa1997 "
20:18	MinetestBot	Exception: can't multiply sequence by non-int of type 'float'
20:18	sfan5	essentially (int)(5 * random()) just resolves to int(5 * random())
20:18	sfan5	!c int((random())10"jojoa1997 "
20:18	MinetestBot	Exception: unexpected EOF while parsing (<unknown>, line 1)
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20:18	sfan5	damnit PilzAdam
20:18	PilzAdam	we should stop this now
20:18	jojoa1997	haha i am unspammable >:D
20:18	puhfa	aw
20:18	rubenwardy	!c int(random())10"jojoa1997 "
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20:18	PilzAdam	##minetestbot
20:18	rubenwardy	!c int(random())10"jojoa1997 "
20:18	MinetestBot	''
20:18	rubenwardy	ok
20:18	puhfa	!rainbow ohai i'm back
20:18	MinetestBot	4o4h4a7i7 7i8'8m8 3b3a3ck
20:19	MinetestBot	4m4e4o7w
20:19	* puhfa	puts MinetestBot on a kittens head
20:20	rubenwardy	!c 'puts a kitten on PilzAdam's head'
20:20	MinetestBot	Exception: invalid syntax (<unknown>, line 1)
20:20	rubenwardy	oh#
20:20	rubenwardy	!c 'puts a kitten on PilzAdams head'
20:20	MinetestBot	'puts a kitten on PilzAdams head'
20:20	* EvergreenTree	is sick of tring to compile ror
20:21	EvergreenTree	*trying
20:21	EvergreenTree	If only I could figure out how to get caelum to work...
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20:28	specing	john_minetest: do you have the freeminer client?
20:28	specing	john_minetest: latest?
20:32	rubenwardy	:O
20:33	PilzAdam	bye
20:36	rubenwardy	lol PilzAdam.shutdown()
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20:57	Jordach	wait a sec, MinetestBot interprets python right
20:58	Jordach	!c print('bleep bloop')
20:58	MinetestBot	SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
20:58	Jordach	dammit
20:59	sfan5	!c int('bacon'm, base=36)
20:59	MinetestBot	SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
20:59	sfan5	!c int('bacon', 36)
20:59	MinetestBot	18958775
20:59	sfan5	^ Jordach: bacon is an integer
20:59	reactor	Bacon is not even tasty.
20:59	Jordach	!c int('bacon'm, base=2)
20:59	MinetestBot	SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
20:59	Jordach	!c int('bacon', base=2)
20:59	MinetestBot	ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 2: 'bacon'
21:00	Jordach	oh hello
21:00	sfan5	base 2 is only 0 and 1
21:00	Jordach	sfan5, i've made some Lua to do numeric conversions
21:00	Jordach	even then i could patch it to support text
21:00	VanessaE	bacon isn't tasty!? blasphemer! BURN THE HERETIC!
21:01	Jordach	HERETIC! HERETIC! HERETIC! HERETIC! HERETIC! HERETIC! HERETIC! </chant>
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21:02	fwilson	!c int('10', base=2)
21:02	MinetestBot	2
21:02	fwilson	:P
21:02	fwilson	wait...
21:02	sfan5	!c bin(2)
21:02	MinetestBot	'0b10'
21:02	fwilson	oh good :)
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21:24	ShadowNinja	Ahem as nice as fancy bot tricks are, take it to a testing channel.
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21:28	MinetestBot	GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/minetest: Include system info in the HTTP user agent on Windows cd7e8372f3 2014-01-23T13:27:13-08:00 http://git.io/DcRp6A
21:35	Jordach	ShadowNinja, and, your bot has alot (a lot) of features ;)
21:36	Jordach	afaik alot + a lot doesn't trigger it
21:36	ShadowNinja	~give Jordach alot
21:36	ShadowBot	Jordach: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
21:36	Jordach	!title
21:36	MinetestBot	Jordach: Hyperbole and a Half: The Alot is Better Than You at Everything
21:37	Jordach	ShadowNinja, that's aliased to minetest:diamond
21:37	ShadowNinja	I removed the message parser a few minutes ago.
21:37	ShadowNinja	Huh?
21:37	Jordach	[21:36:29] <ShadowNinja> ~give Jordach alot <- aliased ;)
21:37	MinetestBot	4m4u4c7h7 7a8l8o8t3 3v3ery 6e6n6gris4h
21:38	ShadowNinja	Jordach: Well, they're called Akas now, they were switched from registry format to SQLite3.
21:39	ShadowNinja	MinetestBot: -> ##doge ;-)
21:40	MinetestBot	4I4'4m7 7n7o8t8 8d3o3g3e, I6'6m6 kit4t4e4n
21:40	ShadowNinja	~kitten MinetestBot
21:40	* ShadowBot	hands MinetestBot a kitten
21:40	ShadowNinja	:-D
21:40	MinetestBot	meow
21:40	* sfan5	puts a kitten on ShadowNinja's head
21:41	* ShadowNinja	pets it and adds it to ShadowBot's pile.
21:41	* ShadowBot	hands kittens to everyone.
21:41	Jordach	wtf
21:42	Jordach	there's a light blue message from Calinou in PM
21:42	Jordach	and it's a quit message :(
21:43	ShadowNinja	I've changed my colors. I think that shows up as gray for me (barely distinguishable from the regular text)
21:44	Jordach	dark blue = chat, light blue = quit / part / other, green = hl
21:44	Jordach	i copied the HexChat theme on purpose
21:44	Jordach	ShadowNinja, i'd also like to have a quassel core somewhere else ;)
21:45	ShadowNinja	Jordach: Poke some people in quassel to add a proper client-side account management system.
21:46	ShadowNinja	+#
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21:51	VanessaE	interesting. I use red for chat, green for quit/part (green/maroon respectively, in channel), and blue for hl (yellow in-channel)
21:53	ShadowNinja	Gray activity, blue chat, and red hilight here. With orange hilight lines.
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22:26	Jordach	...http://i.imgur.com/XruCp3s.png
22:32	ShadowNinja	Looks good.
22:46	cisoun	Man... I suck at managing the G+ page...
22:47	cisoun	I just posted the 0.4.9 news... meh.
22:47	cisoun	Because I can't play to Minetest anymore, I don't follow the latest news.
22:48	ShadowNinja	cisoun: You manage the Minetest-c55 G+ page?
22:48	cisoun	Yes.
22:49	ShadowNinja	\o/ I found him! :-)
22:49	ShadowNinja	You should rename it to "Minetest" and give control over it to celeron55/the core team.
22:49	cisoun	But I'm thinking about looking for someone to help me. I missed to post the 0.4.7/8 news.
22:50	cisoun	Oh right the name.
22:50	cisoun	There.
22:50	ShadowNinja	We don't have someone assigned to community yet (but it's TODO), so I guess documentation is the closest. (My department)
22:50	cisoun	Which in the core team is on G+ ?
22:51	cisoun	I mean *Who
22:51	ShadowNinja	Does it have a ACL so that you can grant owner-level access to it?
22:51	cisoun	I can grant someone else to manage the page.
22:51	cisoun	Or at least post in it I think
22:52	ShadowNinja	Well, the core team should have full controll over it...
22:53	cisoun	I talked about helping me to someone else. I think it was Calinou or something... I don't remember.
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23:14	VanessaE	holy crap, 33 users on my almost-vanilla server!!
23:14	VanessaE	someone please tell me what I did right!? :D
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23:57	* cisoun1	is trying Craft (https://github.com/fogleman/Craft).
23:57	cisoun1	Not bad so far.
23:58	cisoun1	I prefer its ambient occlusion.

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