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00:07 |
phantombeta |
Hi |
00:07 |
jin_xi |
hi phantombeta |
00:08 |
phantombeta |
How's ti going? |
00:08 |
phantombeta |
*it |
00:08 |
jin_xi |
whats up? |
00:09 |
phantombeta |
nm |
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00:48 |
ShadowNinja |
~topic add Merry Christmas! |
00:48 |
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Topic for #minetest is now 0.4.8 is released! | Website: http://minetest.net | Rules: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | Core Devs: #minetest-dev | Servers: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | IRC stats: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html | Merry Christmas! |
00:52 |
kaeza |
http://cheezburger.com/144133 teh feelz |
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01:14 |
Exio4 |
new year > xmas |
01:23 |
VanessaE |
christmas? is that some kind of holiday? |
01:23 |
VanessaE |
;) |
01:24 |
VanessaE |
ah yes, the time of year when everyone goes insane while at the same time telling you to be nice to others. got it. |
01:24 |
VanessaE |
:D |
01:25 |
kaeza |
does being drunk count as insane? |
01:25 |
VanessaE |
nope |
01:25 |
VanessaE |
that's just drunk |
01:25 |
kaeza |
:< |
01:25 |
VanessaE |
(and I don't do that until a week from now :) ) |
01:25 |
* kaeza |
is not insane then :D/ |
01:26 |
kaeza |
...mostly |
01:27 |
kaeza |
also wat teh duck? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=123055#p123055 |
01:27 |
sapier |
if "insane" is opposite of "sane" I don't understand difference between normal state and holliday state ;-) |
01:29 |
VanessaE |
haha |
01:30 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: save a little for me? :) |
01:32 |
kaeza |
never! |
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01:32 |
VanessaE |
:< |
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01:33 |
ShadowNinja |
Christmas > New year. The new year is just a arbitrary day that someone decided to start the cakendar on. |
01:34 |
VanessaE |
so's christmas. |
01:34 |
VanessaE |
it celebrates a birth that, if it happened at all, happened ~6 months prior to the date on which it is traditionally celebrated. |
01:34 |
iqualfragile |
ShadowNinja: so is christmas |
01:34 |
iqualfragile |
its even worse |
01:35 |
VanessaE |
(nevermind all the pagan celebrations that took place on the same date, which predated the advent of christmas) |
01:35 |
ShadowNinja |
Well, it's hard to get it perfect when it happened so long ago. :-) |
01:35 |
iqualfragile |
its not abitrary, it was choosen on purpose to destroy pagean culture |
01:35 |
ShadowNinja |
Wut? |
01:35 |
VanessaE |
iqualfragile: I'd say that attempt was a miserable failure :) |
01:35 |
sapier |
VanessaE https://github.com/sapier/minetest/tree/server_improvement a small christmas present, polished version, average download rate on lan >1mb, data/loss ration 4:1 ... not quite sure where those packets are lost, but I don't know if previous version was any better, |
01:36 |
iqualfragile |
VanessaE: i might be missusing some words, i would love to check them online, but i have no access to ipv4 atm |
01:36 |
sapier |
no noticable lag on players connectng |
01:36 |
sapier |
iqualfragile is yesterday's version still running at your server? |
01:36 |
iqualfragile |
sapier: yes, and i can not connect to it atm |
01:36 |
iqualfragile |
to update |
01:37 |
sapier |
ok :-) so not a problem with it |
01:37 |
iqualfragile |
not realy |
01:37 |
iqualfragile |
besides the crashing |
01:37 |
iqualfragile |
but thats due to mobf |
01:37 |
sapier |
btw I can't reproduce the crashing localy ;-/ |
01:38 |
iqualfragile |
yay! |
01:38 |
iqualfragile |
well, i sadly can on the server |
01:38 |
iqualfragile |
its using the master branch |
01:38 |
sapier |
there's to be another difference between yours and my version, or it's something not happening everytime but more rare |
01:38 |
Hirato |
you know what that means |
01:39 |
VanessaE |
sapier: you sure it's safe to run the server with this? |
01:39 |
Hirato |
-DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug |
01:39 |
sapier |
"sure" is a very hard word :-) |
01:39 |
VanessaE |
sounds like it might not be quite ready for a wide-scale test yet :) |
01:39 |
VanessaE |
iqualfragile: what kind of crashes? |
01:40 |
sapier |
I'd give it a try for sure i even did a 100 bot connection test against it without issues ... despite my pc beeing down on his knees due to cpu load ;-) |
01:40 |
iqualfragile |
ShadowNinja: in case jesus was real there is a high propability that he was born in summer, the church intentionally put christmas on the 24th dec to destroy the "wintersonnenwendenfest" (celebrating the shortest day in the year because that means that every following one will be brighter and warmer) |
01:40 |
VanessaE |
sapier: I'm not proller, I don't launch off with 100 bots at a time at my server :) |
01:40 |
VanessaE |
my poor little VPS would barf at that :) |
01:40 |
iqualfragile |
VanessaE: mobf crashes |
01:41 |
sapier |
VanessaE it is as good as it can become without more stressfull testing |
01:41 |
VanessaE |
it only has 1GB of RAM to run 5 servers |
01:41 |
VanessaE |
ok, I'll deploy it then |
01:41 |
iqualfragile |
VanessaE: i still do not get why you are running 5 servers in paralel |
01:41 |
sapier |
I'd start with a single server only but I guess you know better then me how to handle this |
01:42 |
VanessaE |
iqualfragile: be....cause 5 VPSs would cost me $100/mo and people play on all 5 of these servers that I run? |
01:42 |
ShadowNinja |
iqualfragile: Meh, everyone can form their own theory, there are surely a dozen other celebrations on that day that you could argue the same for. |
01:43 |
iqualfragile |
VanessaE: why not berge them? |
01:43 |
Hirato |
you know what sucks most about "fast" privs - you take damage just running into things |
01:43 |
iqualfragile |
ShadowNinja: no, you can not, those are prooven historic facts |
01:43 |
VanessaE |
iqualfragile: been there, had that discussion. the result was not to merge the servers because their respective communities are too divrse. |
01:43 |
VanessaE |
diverse* |
01:44 |
iqualfragile |
Hirato: no, you dont, you get damage for falling down too far |
01:44 |
ShadowNinja |
iqualfragile: A pope has publicly said that? Or how do you know? |
01:44 |
Hirato |
iqualfragile: run into a wall straight ahead, and you lose hearts, if you were running fast |
01:44 |
iqualfragile |
ShadowNinja: oh dear, may i recommend you to get a litle education before discussing things |
01:44 |
ShadowNinja |
Minetest doesn't have vertical damage, Terasology does. |
01:45 |
iqualfragile |
Hirato: oh… that never happened to me |
01:45 |
ShadowNinja |
Er, horizontal. |
01:45 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: there have been numerous historians who have made studies that have proven at least the basic roots of Christmas and in particular its symbols such as the Yule log, the tree, wreath, the date of Dec. 25, and other things. These are indeed all well-researched facts. |
01:45 |
ShadowNinja |
iqualfragile: So you have no proof? |
01:45 |
iqualfragile |
ShadowNinja: look above |
01:46 |
VanessaE |
the question of Jesus' birth being in June is more murky but more likely than in winter, as I have read it. |
01:46 |
iqualfragile |
ShadowNinja: yo do not have _any_ kind of proof there would be some kind of god, so we can end this discussion, cant we? |
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01:46 |
ShadowNinja |
That have proven Christmas, it's date and the like? How do you prove a date? |
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01:47 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: I mean, they have proven the origins of the date - why that date was chosen |
01:47 |
ShadowNinja |
iqualfragile: On the contrary there is, but lets not start a religion war. |
01:48 |
VanessaE |
now to say that it was chosen "to destroy pagans" is a bit extreme. |
01:48 |
iqualfragile |
ShadowNinja: pm me, you win 5$ if you can actually prove the existence of god |
01:48 |
VanessaE |
it was chosen to capitalize on celebrations that were already being held on that date prior to Christianity taking root. |
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01:48 |
iqualfragile |
VanessaE: it was, christianity was allways a converting religion, it was easier to convert paegans if you just let them celebrate the same things a bit different |
01:49 |
iqualfragile |
for the same reason "holy" people exist, most of them can be mapped to paegan gods |
01:49 |
VanessaE |
iqualfragile: perhaps so. I am not christian so I can't speak for that religion. I can only speak from an academic point of view. |
01:51 |
iqualfragile |
im not paegan either, i just am quite sure that christianity has caused many crimes against humanity and is about to throw america into a 2nd medial age |
01:51 |
iqualfragile |
(as in: dark age) |
01:53 |
ShadowNinja |
Crimes against humanity? If anything, the church is the opposite of that. (Although there are some religions that support some less-than-admirable things) |
01:56 |
Exio4 |
crimes against the progress of the humanity |
01:57 |
Exio4 |
lets talk, they fucked up everything that was trying to explain the 'black holes' or things that made and make nonsense in the biblie |
01:57 |
Exio4 |
like my small sister asked the other day, "where would you put the native people in the biblie, when they were created if they existed before they knew our god?" |
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01:58 |
Exio4 |
we had to explain her that there are different religions and that bullshit |
01:59 |
Exio4 |
i can't understand how someone could 'trust' or do shit based on some bullshit that has black holes and is known to fuck up the tries to solve those |
02:02 |
VanessaE |
sapier: your build is staged for my servers. as soon as they restart, it'll be deployed. |
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02:04 |
sapier |
thanks hope it's gonna work as expected |
02:07 |
VanessaE |
me too :) |
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VanessaE |
sapier: ok, all five servers deployed. |
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02:35 |
sapier |
thanks vanessae let's wait for results :-) |
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02:55 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Remove FPS from window title 4b31a38ae9 2013-12-24T18:52:44-08:00 http://git.io/J22vxw |
02:56 |
VanessaE |
sapier: [12-24 21:43] <cheapie2> VanessaE: I can't login after the update. It gets stuck at "Item Definitions". I have the latest client. |
02:57 |
sapier |
:-/ did he try a second time yet? |
02:57 |
iqualfragile |
good night |
02:57 |
VanessaE |
sapier: he must have. oh well, back to ye olde drawing board. |
02:58 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
02:58 |
sapier |
does this happen to him only? |
02:59 |
VanessaE |
it seems it was happening to everyone :( |
02:59 |
VanessaE |
lots of sign-ons, no actual activity |
02:59 |
sapier |
argh |
03:00 |
VanessaE |
YOU BWOKE IT! :'( |
03:00 |
VanessaE |
:D |
03:00 |
jin_xi |
didnt you mention some limit to texture sizes? |
03:00 |
sapier |
vanessae is way from it |
03:01 |
VanessaE |
not even close |
03:01 |
VanessaE |
my largest is 8.9MB and I don't use it on the server |
03:02 |
VanessaE |
I use strictly default textures |
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03:02 |
sapier |
ok lets find out why old client's don't seem to behave as well as with iqualfragiles version |
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03:06 |
rambomedic |
is there any way to "debug"/"benchmark" minetest to see min/max/avg fps? |
03:06 |
rambomedic |
I want to see a before and after the removing fps from titlebar |
03:10 |
VanessaE |
rambomedic: you'll just have to compare it the "hard" way - with it in the title versus without (look in the F6 profiler displays, it's also shown there) |
03:10 |
VanessaE |
there's no benchmark as such, you just have to see how it behaves in genera; |
03:10 |
VanessaE |
general* |
03:10 |
rambomedic |
ugh, but minetest is fluctuative for me |
03:10 |
rambomedic |
some times it running smooth as butter 60 |
03:10 |
Hirato |
so.. business as usual? |
03:11 |
rambomedic |
and then randomly it'll drop to 30 |
03:11 |
rambomedic |
and stay there right at 30 |
03:11 |
rambomedic |
and then go back to 60 |
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03:35 |
rambomedic |
how do you disable framerate limit? |
03:36 |
rambomedic |
(in minetest.conf) |
03:36 |
rambomedic |
nevermind it's fps_max |
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03:42 |
DMackey |
Vanessa, Thank you for your support, You are a good person. |
03:42 |
VanessaE |
wow, that was quick :) |
03:42 |
DMackey |
LOL I'm sitting in the man cave on FB and IRC of course |
03:43 |
VanessaE |
you're welcome. I wish I could do more than that :-/ |
03:43 |
DMackey |
I've had more support from my C= friends than anyone else. |
03:44 |
DMackey |
I'm talking with Alan Reed on FB now, making ECCC 2014 plans. |
03:44 |
VanessaE |
cool |
03:44 |
VanessaE |
I was gonna suggest listening to some of the raunchy comedy stuff abe and I have been listening to lately |
03:44 |
DMackey |
I'm going even if I have to use the credit card to pay my way, Will be going with Jbevren again. |
03:44 |
VanessaE |
Ho Ho Fucking Ho, Chipmunks Roasting on an Open Fire, etc. |
03:44 |
DMackey |
makes everything 1/2 the cost that way. we split everything |
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03:46 |
VanessaE |
good deal. Glad you and jb are still getting together. is he still up in upstate NY? I'm so out of the loop anymore, I don't remember shit :) |
03:46 |
DMackey |
Well you know where we hang out.. u is always welcome anytime. |
03:46 |
VanessaE |
I know |
03:47 |
VanessaE |
looks over at C128 setup gathering dust.. |
03:47 |
DMackey |
Yes, Dave is great to Road Trip with, Interesting chat to and from the expo. I sure wish I had that kind of smarts.. |
03:47 |
VanessaE |
*looks over at PC to the right, still in its C= branded gaming case* |
03:47 |
* DMackey |
gives Vanessa a kick in the pants toward the C128 |
03:47 |
VanessaE |
at least I still have my stuff :_) |
03:47 |
VanessaE |
:) |
03:48 |
DMackey |
Yes and thats a good thing, Don;t you EVER get rid of your stuff... Better to let it collect dust till the urge happens again. |
03:48 |
VanessaE |
you have WAY more smarts than you give yourself credit for :) |
03:48 |
sapier |
vanessae aren't your servers back at master? |
03:48 |
VanessaE |
sapier: indeed so. |
03:48 |
VanessaE |
I backed off to git HEAD after cheapie reported non-connect issues |
03:48 |
VanessaE |
(or rather, hang-after-connect) |
03:49 |
sapier |
join/leave is still strange |
03:49 |
VanessaE |
oh? |
03:49 |
VanessaE |
OH! |
03:49 |
VanessaE |
DMackey: I never told you did I? |
03:49 |
DMackey |
I'm glad you are taking a break to dfo the minetest stuff, you are good at everything you do. |
03:49 |
VanessaE |
that guy from ebay? Tim harris? |
03:49 |
VanessaE |
shareware-something-or-other |
03:49 |
VanessaE |
? |
03:49 |
DMackey |
nope |
03:49 |
VanessaE |
you know the one right? who sells the DAC stuff? |
03:50 |
DMackey |
I think so, I think I told you about hime selling something or other of yours.. |
03:50 |
VanessaE |
lemme rephrase - you know th guy from eBay who sells my DAC stuff now - Tim Harris, shareware-something-or-other whatever his ebay nickname was.... well, he's going to production with the 1MB REU project! |
03:51 |
VanessaE |
sapier: strange how? |
03:51 |
DMackey |
AWESOME!! I've had a few people ask about that cart. |
03:51 |
VanessaE |
sapier: bear in mind I disallow non-cURL builds. do I need to disable that patch? |
03:51 |
DMackey |
My cart never leaves the RamLINK \o/ I LOVE that cart. |
03:52 |
DMackey |
Sure is better than that stock C= REUs IMO |
03:52 |
sapier |
no idea why this should have an effect to it |
03:52 |
VanessaE |
DMackey: yes :) he's got the designs and just today he paid me for the remainder of my stock of Lattice GAL22V10's, most of which if I remember right I already wrote the fuse map to that he'll need (though I sent him the data files for that too) |
03:52 |
VanessaE |
I'll ship them off on thursday via WizardNJ |
03:53 |
VanessaE |
sapier: gimme a sec. |
03:53 |
VanessaE |
I'll revert that patch anyway |
03:54 |
sapier |
wait a second I just made an additional fix to make server kick malicious clients instead ot asserting I'm just testing it against current master prior merging |
03:55 |
VanessaE |
sapier: done. |
03:55 |
VanessaE |
my servers are 100% minetest git HEAD, no patches |
03:56 |
sapier |
argh git head is so broken as of networking :-) |
03:56 |
VanessaE |
heh |
03:56 |
VanessaE |
isn't the whole damn repo equally broken in that regard? ;) |
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04:05 |
sapier |
actually master sometimes behaves like a malicious client ... and there doesn't seem to be a way to remove a peer :-) |
04:05 |
VanessaE |
yheh |
04:05 |
VanessaE |
heh |
04:09 |
sapier |
ok pushed I tried connection to a local server, a remote server using master client, remote server using 0.4.8, and remote server fixed client |
04:10 |
VanessaE |
ok |
04:10 |
* VanessaE |
pulls |
04:11 |
VanessaE |
gime a few |
04:11 |
sapier |
but old clients suffer about random network stalls on initial texture downloading again. I now stick to correct package transmission again... thought this could be fixed serverside only yesterday but it can't |
04:11 |
VanessaE |
oh |
04:12 |
VanessaE |
so either way, the moniker "media_FUBAR" still applies :) |
04:12 |
sapier |
it's not worse then original ;-) |
04:12 |
sapier |
and is fixed if you use a fixed client ;-) |
04:12 |
sapier |
but you don't have to deny non curl clients any longer ;-) |
04:13 |
VanessaE |
ok your current HEAD is ready to go if you're sure it'll work with old clients this time ;) |
04:14 |
sapier |
it does work in my tests |
04:14 |
VanessaE |
ok, let's give it a shot. |
04:16 |
VanessaE |
ok, you're up :) |
04:18 |
VanessaE |
ok, I can get in |
04:18 |
VanessaE |
with current minetest git HEAD |
04:19 |
VanessaE |
cheapie gets stuck at "item definitions" |
04:19 |
VanessaE |
I did too, but it woke up on its own |
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04:33 |
Enke |
Merry Christmas everyone. |
04:34 |
NakedFury |
same to you |
04:36 |
Enke |
Thanks |
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04:38 |
Enke |
Okay, I have been doing research on Ubuntu, and am entertaining the thought of getting it. I also noted that in the README for Minetest I saw instructions for compiling with Debian/Ubuntu, which I was told was ridiculously easy. Does that extend to Ubuntu's derivatives? Like Kubuntu, Lubuntu, etc. |
04:40 |
Exio4 |
kubuntu, lubuntu, shitbuntu, all those are the same distro with a different pre-install "preset" of applications |
04:40 |
Exio4 |
pre-installed* |
04:40 |
sapier |
vanessae? did you succeed? |
04:40 |
Exio4 |
there are commands for switching 'between *buntus' without formating too, just using apt-get install and apt-get remove ;P |
04:41 |
Exio4 |
s/commands/tutorials |
04:41 |
Enke |
Interesting. |
04:41 |
sapier |
I gave up ubuntu 2 years ago after it was impossible to get multi graca support there |
04:41 |
us_0gb |
The instructions do extend to the actual derivatives such as Trisquel and Mint though. |
04:42 |
Enke |
us_0gb: Got it. |
04:42 |
Enke |
sapier: What do you use now? |
04:42 |
VanessaE |
succeed in what? |
04:42 |
VanessaE |
who? |
04:42 |
VanessaE |
where? |
04:42 |
VanessaE |
huh? |
04:42 |
sapier |
debian :-) |
04:42 |
VanessaE |
O_o |
04:42 |
sapier |
I just pushed the fix for your 100% cpu load ;-) |
04:43 |
VanessaE |
OH |
04:43 |
VanessaE |
I didn't try it yet :) |
04:43 |
sapier |
commit messages is about 20times bigger then fix |
04:43 |
VanessaE |
I was busy with hubby's machine |
04:43 |
Enke |
Alright. |
04:43 |
sapier |
have you been able to join with latest master client vanessae? |
04:43 |
VanessaE |
Enke: yes, it's quite easy to do. in the readme, there are instructions. |
04:44 |
Enke |
VanessaE: Yep, I saw them. :-) |
04:45 |
VanessaE |
sapier: I was able to join the one time I tried yes. gimme a bit to get my brain back in order :) |
04:48 |
rambomedic |
unfortunately the majority of software maintainers fail to maintain instructions for rpm-based distros |
04:48 |
rambomedic |
(which are generally much shorter) |
04:50 |
VanessaE |
sapier: done. |
04:50 |
VanessaE |
they're restarting. |
04:50 |
VanessaE |
give it a minute |
04:51 |
Hirato |
it's so easy in Arch |
04:51 |
Hirato |
yaourt -S minetest-git :D |
04:53 |
Hirato |
http://pastebin.com/WhqYvysD so easy I spice it up by doing stuff like this |
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leo_rockway |
Hirato: why do you have jit as depends and make depends? |
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leo_rockway |
also, why do you need to comment OpenGLES2? is that something related to your own config? |
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leo_rockway |
and I see that your build has gettext and freetype enabled, but gettext and freetype2 aren't depends. |
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leo_rockway |
I do like the mods parts a lot. I might copy that for my own PKGBUILD =] |
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sfan5 |
hi everyone |
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leo_rockway |
I just noticed that the parallax, bumpmapping, water waves and plants waving are in master o.o |
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leo_rockway |
sfan5: hi =] |
07:00 |
* sfan5 |
throws a kitten at leo_rockway |
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leo_rockway |
huzzah! |
07:01 |
* leo_rockway |
pets said kitten |
07:02 |
leo_rockway |
are there any near-future plans to include mobs as core and not as a mod? |
07:02 |
leo_rockway |
I'd like to see some animals, but both Lua mods kill my comp. |
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Lynxx |
hello everyone :) |
09:30 |
Lynxx |
what's up? :3 |
09:34 |
Issa2013 |
john_minetest, link |
09:34 |
Issa2013 |
i want see that :) |
09:36 |
Lynxx |
there's been a lot of people doing those recently |
09:40 |
Lynxx |
yeah a lot of german lp's :) |
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Lynxx |
grrrr can't get this dumb grass texture to look right =.= |
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Issa2013 |
john_minetest, in live is better |
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Issa2013 |
yes for minecraft u can see many video |
09:59 |
Issa2013 |
with man talk about some many mods |
09:59 |
Issa2013 |
in minetest is just a ... |
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Jordach |
merry fucking christmas |
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fairiestoy |
The only good at christmas is, when you burn the tree down |
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VanessaE |
I hate computers, and G*d damn it I hate programmers. at least the pig-headed ones who think their code is bug-free. |
11:02 |
VanessaE |
good morning sapier (eh, bad timing, that ^^^^ does not refer to youy) |
11:02 |
VanessaE |
-y |
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Jordach |
merry fucking christmas VanessaE |
11:03 |
VanessaE |
hey Jordach |
11:03 |
proller |
VanessaE, you can buy good i7 server for 40 euro/month - it can handle 10+ mt servers |
11:03 |
sapier |
actually it's quite true for me to I got up recently |
11:04 |
VanessaE |
"Ho ho fucking ho, what a crock of shit. we all work for Santa Claus, we've had enough, we quit. 'cause we do all the fuckin' work while he stars in the show, so stick your Christmas up your arse, ho ho fucking ho." |
11:04 |
VanessaE |
:D |
11:04 |
sapier |
btw I always assume my code to be buggy ;-) even after ages of testing |
11:05 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: I'm pissed at the Ubuntu team and the Linux kernel team for fucking up such a basic concept as S3 Suspend to Ram |
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sapier |
VanessaE I've fixed the crash-bug you run into yesterday (at least I think so), Yet I don't have any idea why master is stuck on itemdefs |
11:06 |
VanessaE |
sapier: it doesn't always get stuck, per se, sometimes it just kinda hangs there for several seconds and then moves on, almost like it loses a packet or something |
11:07 |
sapier |
Unless you're way more patient with "several seconds" it's different for me as it doesn't seem to continue ever |
11:08 |
VanessaE |
sapier: more likely I was just lucky :) |
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sapier |
the interesting question is what packet can be lost to stuck client, all reliables are resent |
11:09 |
VanessaE |
it's just a guess, I'm probably way off |
11:09 |
sapier |
and once I run into that issue my master client won't even bother to send a disconnect on pressing escape |
11:09 |
sapier |
or at least it won't arrive at server |
11:10 |
* Jordach |
has had that |
11:10 |
sapier |
jordach? client not sending a disconnect? |
11:11 |
Jordach |
oh yes |
11:11 |
sapier |
for what versions? |
11:18 |
Jordach |
dunno, hitting esc when joing VES sometimes causes it |
11:19 |
sapier |
ok so that shutdown issue may be unrelated to the hang :-( |
11:19 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: ditto. |
11:19 |
VanessaE |
my "client quit" packet usually never arrives. the server has to time me out then. |
11:20 |
Hirato |
leo_rockway: because if I don't comment out GLES2, this happens: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23891252/minetest.png |
11:21 |
Hirato |
leo_rockway: I've reported a bug, but so far there's been no response |
11:21 |
sapier |
hmm why did I fix that issue for my new code if it was there before ;-/ |
11:21 |
Hirato |
leo_rockway: and don't ask me about the make depends and depends, I just hacked the REALLY old PKGBUILD together :P |
11:23 |
Hirato |
VanessaE: there are no bugs, only misfeatures ;) |
11:23 |
sapier |
VanessaE do you have time to do another try so I can have a look what's going on in master? |
11:25 |
VanessaE |
sapier: not right now, I'm actually up rather late again, bed time fairly soon |
11:25 |
VanessaE |
been arguing with my PC. |
11:26 |
sapier |
ok no problem :-) maybe I find a way to reproduce |
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iqualfragile |
sapier: should i update? |
12:23 |
sapier |
I suggest to yes |
12:23 |
iqualfragile |
or is the updated version more broken then the one i am running atm? |
12:23 |
iqualfragile |
(VanessaEs testresults suggest that) |
12:24 |
sapier |
it's better in may ways but there's a problem with current master beeing stuck on loading itemdefs ... I can't reproduce it with my own local servers |
12:24 |
iqualfragile |
lets see if i can reproduce it |
12:25 |
sapier |
so 50:50 chance this wil happen for your server too ... but 0.4.8 can connect fine |
12:27 |
iqualfragile |
Taoki[laptop]: can you please implement media caching for models? |
12:27 |
iqualfragile |
thx |
12:27 |
Taoki[laptop] |
iqualfragile: IIRC it already exists |
12:27 |
iqualfragile |
Taoki[laptop]: does not |
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Taoki[laptop] |
Ah. I don't know how to do it then I think x_x |
12:28 |
iqualfragile |
at least it does not work and my git cliend allways loads every model on connection from my git server |
12:28 |
sapier |
wait models are handled different from textures? |
12:28 |
iqualfragile |
suprized me, too |
12:28 |
iqualfragile |
but pilzadam told me so |
12:29 |
Taoki[laptop] |
I thought all media is handled the same when I implemented them |
12:29 |
sapier |
strange I guess it's even more work to do it separate then to do it same way |
12:30 |
iqualfragile |
sapier: can you try to join the server? |
12:30 |
iqualfragile |
i had no problems whatsover |
12:30 |
iqualfragile |
but i am using your version of the client |
12:30 |
sapier |
minetestguild.de? |
12:30 |
iqualfragile |
-test |
12:31 |
sapier |
ok happens here too ... so lets debug |
12:31 |
iqualfragile |
why do you call yourself sapier2? |
12:32 |
sapier |
because I forgot password for sapier (again) |
12:32 |
iqualfragile |
i can reset it if you want |
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sapier |
I forget passwords regularly so I usually don't want to bother others to reset it |
12:33 |
sapier |
at least not for testing accounts |
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VanessaE |
there. pain in my ass. |
12:41 |
VanessaE |
computers are overcomplicated. |
12:45 |
VanessaE |
now I think I'll go to bed before I shoot my computer. good night. |
12:46 |
sapier |
wow the supplied wireshark dissector is working (at least basicaly) |
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sapier |
ok vanessae I thought I could reproduce it on iqualfragiles server but I wasn't patient enough seems to work fine with master |
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markveidemanis |
Hi |
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jin_xi |
john_minetest: yes its possible to do a books mod, but better ask lua and modding related stuff over here |
13:48 |
jin_xi |
well, write it ;) |
13:49 |
fairiestoy |
john_minetest: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4773 like this? |
13:52 |
fairiestoy |
Now you can improve it to seperate books as item in which can be written and then can be stored in the shelf |
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jin_xi |
look at the allow_put function for inventories. you can make one for the bookshelf which only accepts books |
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jin_xi |
allow_metadata_inventory_put |
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jin_xi |
sry, was writing from memory |
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* Jordach |
is drinking booze |
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jin_xi |
brb |
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thexyz |
"such a basic concept as S3 Suspend to Ram" |
14:07 |
thexyz |
"such a basic concept" |
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thexyz |
well go on and fix it then |
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sapier |
basic concept is indeed funny it's like making a high speed train at full speed and all passengers stop immediatly and resume at exactly same speed and position hours later :-) |
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specing |
proller: furnace is weird again |
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proller |
too slow ? |
14:26 |
specing |
I think you should install no_guest ;/ |
14:26 |
specing |
30 people on |
14:26 |
specing |
it doesen't seem to be lagging |
14:26 |
specing |
it just doesent work |
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iqualfragile |
sapier: problem found/fixed? |
14:27 |
specing |
I put wood in, it says furnace empty. |
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specing |
"furnace out of fuel" |
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sapier |
no there wasn't a problem despite of strange download behaviour |
14:31 |
markveidemanis |
Hi |
14:32 |
markveidemanis |
Has anyone seen anyone by the name of 'Rhys' on any servers? |
14:35 |
markveidemanis |
!seen Rhy5 |
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iqualfragile |
sapier: strange download behaviour is a problem |
14:35 |
sapier |
strange meaning wait some time then continue |
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sapier |
it's result of broken network code in old clients I can't fix things in past ;-) |
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specing |
proller: how do you farm? |
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specing |
does it have to be running water? |
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sapier |
iqualfragile did you recognize any more strange download behaviour then with current master? |
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iqualfragile |
sapier: no, not realy |
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thexyz |
So hello all i decided to take minetest engine and build my own game because its open souce :) […] I didnt understand the part when h said that i need compiler maybe sombody can help me with this. |
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thexyz |
open sauce |
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iqualfragile |
thexyz: wtf? |
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sapier |
be carefull open souce will get bad soon if not fridgerated |
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specing |
proller: seeds aren't growing |
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specing |
proller: furnace just isn't working |
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sapier |
specing what version? |
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specing |
client is git, server is proller's SKy |
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EvergreenTree |
o/ |
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EvergreenTree |
Merry Christmas everyone! |
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sapier |
oh ... sorry can't help in this case |
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specing |
proller!!! |
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specing |
EvergreenTree: may you be touched by his noodly appendage |
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proller |
specing, they do, but very slow |
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markveidemanis |
I made a light mesecons mod |
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markveidemanis |
I will finish it and share it |
15:41 |
markveidemanis |
Do i have to leave the comments in the code? |
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fairiestoy |
Hey everybody, tiny question: If i define NodeTimers and they got unloaded, will they continue the elapsed time when beeing unloaded or will they execute the code once they recognize that the predefined timespan is over? |
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markveidemanis |
All workd so far |
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iqualfragile_ |
markveidemanis: you can comment lines out in lua by putting -- infront of them |
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iqualfragile_ |
fairiestoy: interesting question |
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markveidemanis |
i know |
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markveidemanis |
do i have to leave the authors names |
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markveidemanis |
if i merge all the files |
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thexyz |
that depends on the license |
16:02 |
thexyz |
why not leave them though? |
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markveidemanis |
I combined all of mesecons and digiline into just 4 mods |
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markveidemanis |
217.35.229.154:30000 also in server list i think |
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markveidemanis |
This is the *light* server |
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kaeza |
greetings |
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kaeza |
and merry christmas |
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Megaf |
greetings :) |
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proller |
specing, bug found, recompiling and restarting server.. |
16:27 |
specing |
Yay! |
16:27 |
specing |
tell me when it start |
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specing |
s |
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proller |
specing, started |
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Megaf |
wow 26 folks on my server http://servers.minetest.net/ |
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specing |
wow very folks, many Megaf much minetest wow |
16:36 |
Megaf |
just got a peak of 1.2 MB/s of outbound |
16:36 |
specing |
I thought minetest used more traffic? |
16:37 |
Megaf |
It can't use much traffic because of slow protocol |
16:37 |
specing |
proller: furnace is still nonworky |
16:37 |
Megaf |
I still have a lot of free resources like mem, cpu and bandwidth, but I bet my players are experiencing some lag |
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specing |
proller: wow, it is working |
16:39 |
specing |
but it isn't updating |
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proller |
its maybe other bug |
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specing |
proller: wheat is not growing |
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markveidemanis |
26 people, 12 of which have names like griefers |
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Megaf |
Another peak, 1.7 MB/s of outbound |
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specing |
proller: What am I doing wrong that wheat doesen't grow? |
17:03 |
specing |
tell me. |
17:03 |
specing |
Is it too cold? |
17:03 |
specing |
Im at +25 |
17:03 |
specing |
height |
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proller |
what heat now ? |
17:04 |
specing |
t= 27'C |
17:04 |
specing |
assuming t is temperature in f5 |
17:04 |
proller |
okay, looks like same bug 8( |
17:04 |
proller |
too slow abm |
17:04 |
specing |
omg it grew |
17:04 |
specing |
just right now |
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specing |
how high must it grow? |
17:05 |
proller |
dont know |
17:05 |
specing |
31'C now |
17:06 |
specing |
its currently twice the height of a seed |
17:06 |
EvergreenTree |
Just wait |
17:06 |
EvergreenTree |
it takes a while |
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specing |
proller: also grass grows instantly |
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Megaf |
Hi us_0gb |
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us_0gb |
Hello, Megaf! |
17:24 |
Megaf |
Folks, I'm thinking in moving my server From London, England, UK to Newark, NJ, USA |
17:24 |
us_0gb |
Why do that? |
17:25 |
Megaf |
I have a couple of choices, and among them the shortest way and lowest ping is to Newark from where I live |
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us_0gb |
Ah, got it. |
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markveidemanis |
I need some help with Onomatopoeia Mapper |
17:43 |
markveidemanis |
HOw do i get the thing to work? |
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Megaf |
my new license http://paste.debian.net/72546/ |
17:46 |
kaeza |
>Do Whatever You Want If You By Me A Chocolate When You See Me |
17:46 |
kaeza |
>If You By Me |
17:46 |
kaeza |
>By |
17:47 |
Megaf |
oops |
17:48 |
specing |
Megaf: entry not found |
17:48 |
Megaf |
http://paste.debian.net/72548/ |
17:48 |
Megaf |
fixed |
17:49 |
specing |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beerware |
17:50 |
Megaf |
yep, my license is based on the beer license and the that do what the fuck you want one |
17:50 |
Megaf |
but mine can be applied to minors |
17:50 |
markveidemanis |
How do i get Onomatopoeia mapper to work? |
17:51 |
specing |
Megaf: dont tell me you are 14 |
17:52 |
Megaf |
specing, I'm 26 |
17:53 |
specing |
close enough. |
17:53 |
Megaf |
markveidemanis, Well, I think best thing you can do is go to the mod's topic and ask there |
17:53 |
markveidemanis |
ABsolutely no documentation |
17:53 |
Megaf |
And I just had a Budweiser |
17:54 |
Megaf |
markveidemanis, does that thing have a website or something? |
17:54 |
markveidemanis |
Githgub |
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Yepoleb |
Hello |
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thexyz |
markveidemanis: it's not supposed to work |
18:16 |
markveidemanis |
... |
18:16 |
markveidemanis |
but i saw a map online somewhere |
18:16 |
thexyz |
yeah |
18:16 |
thexyz |
but still |
18:16 |
thexyz |
it's not supposed to work |
18:16 |
thexyz |
if it works then somebody did some magic |
18:17 |
thexyz |
I plan to rewrite it eventually |
18:18 |
markveidemanis |
http://minetest.web1337.net/map.php |
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markveidemanis |
hosted by xyz |
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markveidemanis |
http://minetest.ru/zeg9/data/3/0/-1.png |
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thexyz |
yes it was that one time when it worked |
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thexyz |
there was some branch where I started to rewrite it |
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thexyz |
but then got bored |
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thexyz |
because it was quite hard to debug it |
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Megaf |
Folks, can you please run this and paste the results on a pastebin like thing? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2281263/Software/MegafsPinger/Pinger.sh |
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Megaf |
It will ping 3 different hosts |
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Megaf |
This will help me to decide to where I move my server |
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Megaf |
us_0gb, specing |
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markveidemanis |
If anyone wants to muck around with meshnode: 217.35.229.154:30000 |
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iqualfragile |
ah, yes, meshnode, i think i might install that one on my server |
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kaeza |
http://chainreactionhub.com/images/news/bikewrap/44.jpg |
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Megaf |
kaeza, is it a Playstation 4? |
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us_0gb |
Megaf: http://pastebin.com/r8LLtdes |
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us_0gb |
My connection is artificially slow right now, so those numbers are going to be high. |
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Megaf |
wow, my server would be quite slow for you |
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Megaf |
Its located in london now |
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us_0gb |
Every server is slow for me right now. Even the server in my own house would be slow to respond. |
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raffahacks |
Hi |
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us_0gb |
Hello! |
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thexyz |
http://i.imgur.com/bVd0R8z.jpg |
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harrison |
what kind of overalls do chickens wear? |
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us_0gb |
A corrupted QR code? Odd. |
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harrison |
osh kosh bGOK |
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thexyz |
it can be scanned though |
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us_0gb |
Oh, it just looks odd then. My bad. |
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us_0gb |
I don't have one of those scanning devices though. |
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phantombeta |
Hi |
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Exio4 |
Megaf: here? |
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Exio4 |
Megaf: http://dpaste.com/1523096/ |
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iqualfragile |
us_0gb: the genious thing about qr codes is that you can have quite a number of equivalent patterns (as parts of the patterns are for redundancy), so it is possible to transform one to make it look like some image |
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us_0gb |
iqualfragile: Oh, wow, I had no idea. |
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markveidemanis |
Hi |
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markveidemanis |
217.35.229.154:30000 tech server |
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markveidemanis |
wireless, digiline, mesecons |
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markveidemanis |
I need someone to help me |
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pitriss |
Hi I want to ask. When I define some local variable in some lua script which is called by dotfile, does that variable propagate into file where it was called or this local variable is local only for that script? |
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Exio4 |
you would end faster trying it by yourself |
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zash |
pitriss: it's local to the file. |
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pitriss |
zash: thanks |
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zash |
or to whatever scope it's defined in |
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thexyz |
merry 10 bit christmas you all! |
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thexyz |
have quality holidays, etc |
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Sokomine |
to you as well :-) merry christmas to all |
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Sokomine |
is there a way to deflate a zlib stream, as found in an .mts file? or does it require extra libraries? |
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OWNSyouAll |
Whats the best way to combine nodes together? Say i have like stone slabs do i create a node definition for all possible ways the nodes could be palced? |
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Sokomine |
no. that can be handled by facedir and a screwdriver |
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Sokomine |
but what do you mean by "combine"? |
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OWNSyouAll |
Sokomine, like when i place a slab on top of another slab they become one block and the slab isnt floating |
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Sokomine |
OWNSyouAll: you'd probably want to take a look at moreblocks. in general, such a combination is a specially coded feature |
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proller |
specing, i think slow abms fixed |
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proller |
it was... debug build with -O0 - on week-top server with 30-40 players 8-) |
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specing |
proller: 'abms'? |
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thexyz |
specing: ABMs, which stands for Active Block Modifier(s) |
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thexyz |
also http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_abm |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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jin_xi |
hello PilzAdam |
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thexyz |
minetest is illegal https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=123103#p123103 |
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thexyz |
avoid |
22:57 |
jin_xi |
fuck the police |
22:57 |
thexyz |
whoa whoa |
22:58 |
thexyz |
where's that buildcraft source |
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meldrian |
i knew it all the time, i comit crime while playing minetest |
22:58 |
thexyz |
somebody should tell them to update it |
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meldrian |
hi PilzAdam :) |
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PilzAdam |
"This is a really serious issue" – https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1071#issuecomment-31203917 |
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specing |
THE ISSUE SERIOUSNESS IS TOO DAMN HIGH! |
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iqualfragile |
specing: please, stay serious |
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thexyz |
^ "please don't have fun" |
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specing |
wow many serious |
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thexyz |
"fun is not allowed here" |
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proller |
btw i catch this mouse stuck many times on kde |
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thexyz |
has anybody actually tried to compile buildcraft? |
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Jordach |
betcha it doesn't work for shit |
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RealBadAngel |
hi all |
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RealBadAngel |
i saw today buildcraft working on a tablet |
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PilzAdam |
proller, mouse stuck in KDE? |
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thexyz |
what the hell, my g++ turned into java |
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thexyz |
/home/xyz/minetest/minetest-temp/src/main.cpp:894:6: error: expected ‘catch’ before ‘updateGame’ |
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proller |
in MT, i cant move mouse, but yaw changed in debug |
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proller |
its happen sometimes after returning from another window |
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Megaf |
<PilzAdam> "This is a really serious issue" – https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1071#issuecomment-31203917 |
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Megaf |
I dont see that as a bug |
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Megaf |
it happens here too |
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Megaf |
if you dont press esc, then it will keep the mouse to it, thats what I expect |
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specing |
pretty obvious, yes |
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thexyz |
why isn't this a bug? |
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Megaf |
Well, It does what I expect it to do |
23:20 |
Megaf |
catch and keep the mouse unless I press Esc |
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Megaf |
well, I gtg |
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thexyz |
that's a stupid expectation to have |
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thexyz |
I expect to be able to navigate through apps in that overview mode |
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thexyz |
what the fuck |
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thexyz |
oh shit i managed to do this |
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thexyz |
anyway it doesn't seem they're very interested in providing actual sources they use |
23:28 |
Jordach |
just drop #fsf an email |
23:29 |
PilzAdam |
I got an email: "Wait. Your the developer of minetest?!" |
23:31 |
iqualfragile |
thexyz: you managed to do what? |
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thexyz |
build buildcraft |
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thexyz |
it doesn't work though |
23:34 |
thexyz |
can't enter server, can't play local game |
23:35 |
jin_xi |
^ so basically freeminer |
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thexyz |
why? |
23:35 |
thexyz |
last time I checked I was able to do all that |
23:36 |
thexyz |
jin_xi: if you're unable to play local game or enter a server please file a bug report |
23:36 |
thexyz |
jin_xi: the issue tracker is located at https://github.com/freeminer/freeminer/issues?state=open |
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jin_xi |
ok |
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proller |
jin_xi, freeminer server with debug build with -o0 beat world record of minetest base games - 68 live peoples online |
23:37 |
iqualfragile |
"i am unable to play a local game and/or enter a server, plzfix) |
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thexyz |
well if that's true then something is terribly wrong |
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PilzAdam |
why do 90% of the freeminer issues have no description? |
23:42 |
proller |
you cant understand without description? |
23:42 |
PilzAdam |
"Auto reconnect when server "shutting down"" |
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Sokomine |
meldrian: you commit crimes only if you construct ugly buildings :-) |
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PilzAdam |
what does that mean? you dont want people to leave singleplayer? |
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proller |
PilzAdam, you still cant understand? |
23:47 |
proller |
try to play game |
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