IRC log for #minetest, 2013-12-18

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Time	Nick	Message
00:01	Exio4	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchnerism :O
00:04	iqualfragile	Exio4: http://www.vandyrk.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/wahlergebnis03.jpg results for our lates election, nichtwähler did not vote
00:05	Exio4	wtf?
00:05	iqualfragile	the official results obviously do not show that group, but that is the harsh reality
00:05	iqualfragile	ah, wait, no those are not from the right year
00:06	iqualfragile	Exio4: there we go: http://www.vandyrk.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/2013-09-26-12_29_58-Wahlergebnis-2013.jpg
00:08	iqualfragile	everything below 5% did not make it so there are in fact 27,5+1,5+3,3+3,4= 35.7% of the people above the age of 18 not represented in the parliament this time, looks like this realy is the weakest parliament yet
00:08	iqualfragile	Exio4: why why wtf?
00:08	Exio4	+25% did not vote?
00:09	iqualfragile	yep
00:09	Exio4	anyway
00:09	iqualfragile	thats actually a suckcess
00:09	iqualfragile	usualy its more
00:09	Exio4	here we have (optional) vote for 16-17 years old :P
00:09	iqualfragile	for some elections we do, too
00:09	iqualfragile	but not for this one
00:10	Exio4	really?
00:10	iqualfragile	> implying there is some kind of punishment for not voting?
00:11	Exio4	well, we have that
00:11	VanessaE	well the new wireless card works :)
00:11	* VanessaE	watches her tablet download updates for the first time in like, a month
00:11	iqualfragile	Exio4: oh, that explains it, we do not get punished for not voting
00:12	Exio4	aw
00:13	Exio4	18-70 = obligatory
00:13	Exio4	16,17; 70+ = optional
00:13	iqualfragile	Exio4: oh, that 70+ thing might be a good idea
00:14	iqualfragile	disallowing people above a certrain age to vote will help to make future-oriented decisions
00:14	Exio4	it isn't disallowing but optional
00:14	iqualfragile	i know
00:14	iqualfragile	but disallowing migt be a good idea
00:14	Exio4	my great-grandmother that is 80 voted the last elections :P
00:14	Exio4	why?
00:15	iqualfragile	as i said: future-oriented decisions
00:15	Exio4	my great-grandma voted the same party i did
00:15	iqualfragile	i do not see how that contradicts my statement
00:16	Exio4	i'm a 16 years old guy that voted the same party as a 80 years old woman
00:17	iqualfragile	yes, still do not see the contradiction
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00:31	iqualfragile	WOOT? only like 50% of the americans actualy vote?
00:31	iqualfragile	so any party just has the backing of about 25% of voters?
00:32	iqualfragile	thats… wow
00:32	iqualfragile	btw: @Exio4 looks like germany is actually quite high in internationl comparision http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/44/Turnout.png
00:36	zat	Everyone: http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/rockstar-games-release-games-for-linux
00:39	VanessaE	iqualfragile: try more like 20% or so of all Americans
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00:39	VanessaE	well maybe more than that, but some 40% of eligible voters or something like that I think
00:40	VanessaE	it's a really sad percentage
00:41	VanessaE	and no repercussions for failing to vote, either.
00:41	VanessaE	imho there should be large fines.
00:41	VanessaE	idc who you vote for, Elmo, Cookie Monster, FSM, Cthulhu, whatever, JUST FUCKING VOTE
00:41	VanessaE	eventually you will end up voting for someone meaningful (well, in theory)
00:43	iqualfragile	VanessaE: no, the american "democracy" is just fucked up, and its not only the voting system
00:43	iqualfragile	zat: that link redirects enlessly for me
00:43	iqualfragile	try adding a slash at the end
00:44	VanessaE	no, it's much more fucked up than that, you're absolutely right
00:44	VanessaE	but a big part of the problem is not enough people voting and making good, rational decisions.
00:44	VanessaE	and it's because most voters in this country think their vote doesn't matter.
00:45	iqualfragile	well, thar realy was an interesting discussion but i need to get some rest now
00:45	zat	iqualfragile: the issue mest be your browser
00:45	zat	must*
00:45	zat	VanessaE: yes it is sad...
00:46	iqualfragile	zat: could be, (well, not my browser, but the page relying on some things)
00:46	iqualfragile	i use request policy, as it fixes the internet
00:46	iqualfragile	that might have caused the problem
00:47	iqualfragile	i am verry sorry
00:47	iqualfragile	s/internet/www/
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00:58	hmmmm	there are some countries in europe that have a fine for not voting
00:58	hmmmm	voting is silly in the US though, because your vote never makes a difference
00:58	hmmmm	in order for things to get better, we need voting reform
00:59	hmmmm	I want a system where you rank each candidate on a point system of how much you want them, and that's added up
01:00	hmmmm	the main reservation of people voting for 3rd party candidates seems to be that they're voting for "the other guy" likely to win so the guy that they most don't want wins instead
01:00	hmmmm	if you gave something like
01:00	hmmmm	ron paul gets #1, obongo gets #2, and romney gets #3, that'd satisfy their imagined problem, it'd be more fair overall, and it'd ensure that the guy who people actually want most wins
01:01	hmmmm	but that's only a third of the problem because like i said, popular vote doesn't even matter, and even if your desired candidate does get in, he's going to be a lame duck president if his party doesn't have control of the senate
01:02	hmmmm	so another huge problem is the partisanship
01:02	hmmmm	there should never be only two sides to begin with
01:02	hmmmm	to solve this, i'd have the percentage of votes count toward the number of seats for that congress
01:03	VanessaE	hmmmm: you have questions waiting in -dev :)
01:03	hmmmm	e.g. if D gets 50% votes and R gets 35% and, say, libertarian gets 15%, 15% of the seats would go to libertarian canddidates
01:03	hmmmm	in a minute
01:04	hmmmm	instead of a "winner takes all" setup where the small guys are never represented because the majority of people don't vote that way for whatever retarded reasons they may have (like they don't even know they exist, or that's what their family always voted as, you know, not actual reasons, so on)
01:04	hmmmm	you'd have an appropriate share of power that has the potential to grow
01:05	hmmmm	so, the US is broken because of several core processes that urgently require reform but nobody is willing to even consider such things
01:05	hmmmm	and even if there was an open discussion, the sides that currently do hold power will never let go of it
01:05	hmmmm	never
01:07	Exio4	hw upgrade?
01:07	Exio4	what did you upgrade VanessaE? :P
01:09	VanessaE	just a new power supply and wireless card
01:09	VanessaE	nothing major.  just edge-of-failure, and failure, respectively.
01:09	Exio4	ah
01:10	Exio4	thought new harddisk, more ram or something awesome ;P
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01:57	MinetestBot	Hirato: <thexyz> does enet support ipv6?
02:03	Hirato	I don't know
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02:47	paramat	I see there's talk of SamII being merged, not sure if that includes a wieldhand, if not i have a matching wieldhand texture here https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/219#issuecomment-29148057
02:48	VanessaE	G*d no
02:49	VanessaE	not that
02:49	VanessaE	unless it's just a plain old textyure
02:49	VanessaE	then it's okay
02:49	VanessaE	don't break HDX :)
02:50	Exio4	what gpu did you have VanessaE?
02:51	VanessaE	AMD HD6870 with curret fglrx for the driver.
02:51	VanessaE	current*
02:51	Exio4	320kh/s
02:51	VanessaE	meh
02:51	Exio4	mine dogecoin with it VanessaE
02:51	Exio4	\o/
02:51	VanessaE	*coins are a waste of energy
02:51	Exio4	wow so currency much profit
02:52	VanessaE	I wish.
02:52	VanessaE	first bitcoin, then litecoin, now dogecoin?
02:52	Exio4	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=361813.0
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02:52	Exio4	haha
02:52	Exio4	i'm just mining some dogecoin just for the lulz
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02:53	Exio4	VanessaE: mine some dogecoin and then we should play poker with it
02:53	VanessaE	some of the *worst* grammar I have ever seen
02:53	VanessaE	definitely a scam
02:53	Exio4	it is a meme
02:54	Exio4	i've mined 0.20USD in the last hours
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02:54	paramat	Also if there's delay with SamII and you want a SamI wieldhand here it is :) https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/222
02:56	paramat	I'm not sure about the SamII cape, a bit too MC specific, being an exclusive Minecon thing
02:57	paramat	SamII's hair should not be a hat layer, needs to be minimal and lightweight
02:57	VanessaE	I have no opinion on the capes really
03:09	ShadowNinja	paramat: Despite rumors, rendering the hat doesn't take any more time than rendering a transparent(non-existant) hat.
03:09	paramat	Elbows and knees look really bad, no joints looks much more cute, think of a LEGO man's cuteness ...
03:09	paramat	Ah cool okay
03:10	paramat	The big hair still looks bad though IMO :)
03:12	rambomedic	^
03:12	ShadowNinja	I like that actually...
03:13	ShadowNinja	And the poll says it's better, although it may not be perfect.
03:14	VanessaE	paramat: to be fair, a LEGO Minifig's arms have permanently-bent elbows, and articulated wrists....
03:14	VanessaE	they just don't have knees.
03:14	paramat	Yeah SamII seems popular so i closed my issue that contained a competing character skin
03:15	paramat	V, hehe indeed :)
03:16	paramat	However for the sake of being lightweight, simple and minimal (which is MT's spirit) ...
03:17	VanessaE	paramat, it isn't really that much heavier than the default model, and it's not like any PC made in the last 20 years can't handle it
03:18	rambomedic	it's not the handling it's the amount of data that has to be sent back and forth if I understand correctly
03:18	VanessaE	rambomedic: the clients handle the animations, it's not like the server/client are sending streams of video back and forth
03:19	VanessaE	just animation commands - play these frames at this speed, etc.
03:19	rambomedic	but the server still has to send the object, no?
03:19	rambomedic	initally
03:19	VanessaE	sure.  once.
03:19	rambomedic	that's an issue sp. with the slowness of minetest at dl
03:19	rambomedic	*dl'ing shit
03:19	VanessaE	the client caches it and re-uses it for each subsequent sign-on unless the player deletes their cache
03:20	rambomedic	but, the first time you connect to a serv er will take.... ages
03:26	Hirato	takes even longer still if you load all the resources on connect :P
03:27	paramat	'Uncanny valley': the more 'realistic' an abstract character becomes, the less cute and lovable (kawaii) it is, and the more creepy it is
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03:35	* paramat	loves LEGO
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04:10	TheZenKitteh	It seems, there is a bug with minetest. Rather often it crashes with a core dump when I hit enter to send a message.
04:10	TheZenKitteh	A friend of mine says he has no problem with such on his Windows machine. I'm on Linux
04:12	ShadowNinja	TheZenKitteh: Known bug, it seems to be a irrlicht issue, fixed in irrlicht 0.8.1. Try compiling against that.
04:13	TheZenKitteh	im using the minetest from the repo
04:14	TheZenKitteh	seems the repos for this distro only has up to 1.7.3 of irrlicht
04:15	ShadowNinja	Yep, that's why I don't use ubuntu/debian. :-)
04:16	TheZenKitteh	last I seen slackware wasn't much better with keeping programs up to date. of course that was almost a decade ago
04:16	TheZenKitteh	lol
04:16	ShadowNinja	Compile it manually and use IRRLICHT_LIBRARY and the like.
04:17	ShadowNinja	TheZenKitteh: Who said I was using slackware?
04:17	TheZenKitteh	not inferring you are :P
04:17	TheZenKitteh	however it seems most of the distros I like the most, tend to get behind on their packages
04:17	TheZenKitteh	I can compile but I despise it
04:18	ShadowNinja	Or you can just pretend it isn't segfaulting. ;-)
04:19	TheZenKitteh	would be fine if it didn't happen every few minutes lol
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08:24	VanessaE	night all.
08:24	* VanessaE	wanders off to bed.
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08:43	thexyz	well considering clang address sanitizer reports and error every time a message is sent...
08:44	thexyz	this of course is an irrlicht issue
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09:19	JamesTait	Good morning all; happy Bake Cookies Day! :-D
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09:28	VanessaE	sleep /slEp/ (n) 1. a state of extended rest, usually lasting 6 to 8 hours, engaged in by most human beings on the planet.
09:28	VanessaE	oh, so THAT's what that weird thing is everyone does :P
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09:33	Megaf	People are asking me to reactivate my server =/
09:33	VanessaE	so reactivate it
09:33	VanessaE	you just need more patience
09:33	VanessaE	minetest is buggy but probably no worse than any other project its size
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09:34	Megaf	VanessaE, My server's name is actually because I was sad already when I created it, then I put to Till It Ends...
09:35	Megaf	I'm sorry, I will try to have a little more patience.
09:35	proller	Megaf, try freeminer
09:35	VanessaE	I don't know the name of it, I'm always focused on my own servers
09:35	Megaf	proller, Nope, I will be using Minetest, I want that piece of software to be better and I know I can help
09:36	Megaf	proller, instead of making a fork, you  should put more effort  in debuging minetest and helping it be better
09:36	Megaf	proller, could you please get  back to minetest? The project really need help
09:36	VanessaE	megaf, he has tried.
09:37	VanessaE	there was....  resistance.
09:37	proller	it was already discussed 100 times
09:37	Megaf	I wish I could take minetest over
09:37	Megaf	proller, so let's discuss 101 times, and 102, and 1000 if needed
09:38	VanessaE	Megaf: that said, I'm sure proller knows that he could, at any time, start submitting pull requests again, in very small doses, to fix individual bugs
09:38	VanessaE	*hint hint* ;)(
09:38	VanessaE	;)
09:38	proller	better i will make something good, like fixing performance
09:38	Megaf	VanessaE, You too, you have good ideas of things that should change, same ideas that I have and perhaps other people have
09:39	proller	now you can play on my server when 30+ ppls online
09:39	VanessaE	Megaf: I'd like to think so, but I can't code C++ for shit.  Lua, I'm decent at I think.
09:39	Megaf	proller, Do you have any idea how could we fix minetest protocol or something like to speed the fetch media/textures thing
09:39	proller	it still have some lag, but it acceptable
09:39	Megaf	That would be the first step I think
09:39	proller	Megaf, it already done in fm
09:40	VanessaE	speaking of, last night I got all five of my servers down to, in total, exactly two files that are not being served by the remote media server (and I only stopped there because I needed to lie down for a while)
09:40	VanessaE	(and those were just the two fire_basic_flame* images on Nostalgia)
09:41	Megaf	<proller> Megaf, it already done in fm
09:41	Megaf	How so?
09:42	Megaf	That's a pull request you could try to make again
09:43	proller	no sense
09:43	proller	if you want - try
09:45	Megaf	proller, VanessaE, Who's the one that accepts pull requests on minetest git?
09:45	VanessaE	no one specific
09:45	VanessaE	it's whoever wants to look at it
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09:49	Megaf	VanessaE, How can we help to whoever wants to look at it to take a loot at it?
09:49	VanessaE	Megaf: well it starts by identifying the root problem that you're trying to solve.  Then, you need to make a guess as to who is best suited to look at it.
09:50	VanessaE	for example, hmmmm is the mapgen expert, PilzAdam is generally geared toward minetest_game, RealBadAngel as you know focuses on shaders, if I were a core dev then you'd probably ask me on Lua-related things maybe, Shadow seems to be pretty good all around, etc.
09:51	Megaf	proller, Let's do that? I'm sure you forked minetest and made Freeminer because they did not accept your pull requests
09:51	VanessaE	so you literally have to ask around, "who is good with X" for whichever feature X you want to know more about.
09:51	VanessaE	then you code it, or pull request it, or whatever, and ask that specific person to look at it
09:51	specing	Are these errors due to mod authors being sloppy, or due to minetest internal changes?
09:51	Exio4	because he didn't accept nobody wanted WIP and not finished code in master*
09:51	specing	[]: 02:19:15: ERROR[main]: generateImage(): Could not load image "darkage_marble_tile.png" while building texture
09:52	VanessaE	he then, in theory, looks at it.  You and he need to then get at least one other core dev to agree to merge the code in question
09:52	VanessaE	then in theory, it gets merged
09:52	VanessaE	of course, it rarely goes exactly according to this theory
09:52	specing	./darkage/textures32/darkage_marble_tile.png
09:52	Megaf	specing, it would be better if you use pastebin,
09:52	VanessaE	specing: sloppy:  it has to be in textures/, not textures32/
09:52	Exio4	there were some code that was somewhat 'good' but was mixed with weather code and other shit that nobody wanted because it doesn't actually work, was buggy, or wasn't finished.
09:53	Exio4	when they told him: remove that from there and make proper pull requests "no no 8("
09:53	specing	VanessaE: I just looked at the stuff and the textures32 dir has more stuff in it (images) than textures/
09:54	specing	My duplicate removal program found 32 duplicates in them
09:54	specing	sorry, 37
09:55	VanessaE	specing: ordinarily, you just ignore such folders entirely -- they are not duplicates, they are *alternates&
09:55	VanessaE	*
09:55	VanessaE	they are normally ignored by the engine unless you explicitly copy them into place
09:55	specing	So the best way to take would be symlinking the missing entries from texture32/ to textures/
09:55	VanessaE	no
09:56	Exio4	i would copy them
09:56	VanessaE	the correct method is to re-download the mod.
09:57	specing	That would result in the same problem
09:57	specing	I got it from git, its the latest obtainable
09:57	VanessaE	no, it wouldn't, if you don't run your dupe removal script :)
09:58	Exio4	git stash; git clean -fd
09:58	VanessaE	or you could do that, too
09:58	specing	VanessaE: I ran the dupe removal after noticing those errors
09:58	VanessaE	or,  git reset --hard HEAD
09:59	VanessaE	there are a few different ways to get back to a known good state
09:59	specing	Too see just how sloppy it is made
09:59	specing	In my case, that would be 'known bad state'
09:59	VanessaE	but I have to wonder if something didn't go wrong in the download for you to end up with dupes and missing files at the same time
09:59	specing	Its from git
09:59	specing	it can't go wrong
09:59	VanessaE	it's still a download and it can indeed go wrong
10:00	VanessaE	no software is bug-free
10:00	Exio4	git would fuck up
10:00	VanessaE	recall that mess the linux kernel itself got into some months ago
10:00	VanessaE	what was it, a compromised master server, yes?
10:00	Exio4	a developer gave his key away
10:00	VanessaE	right
10:01	Exio4	the weaker part in a system are the users, no exception ;)
10:01	Exio4	no even the linux kernel is safe!
10:01	VanessaE	git performed its job to the best of its abilities, but the code it distributed could no longer be authenticated.
10:01	VanessaE	er, not the right word..
10:01	VanessaE	um..
10:02	VanessaE	anyway
10:02	VanessaE	it was busted right from the source, for a couple of weeks there, until the core devs were able to clean up the mess and restore from known, safe media
10:03	specing	[]: 11:02:42: ERROR[main]: generateImage(): Could not load image "darkage_marble_tile.png" while building texture
10:03	Megaf	VanessaE, you do use remote media, right?
10:03	VanessaE	megaf: indeed I do.
10:03	specing	recloned, surprisingly that didn't fix the issue
10:04	Exio4	VanessaE: if i take pilzadam's ssh key and then i edit someone's commit when merging it
10:04	VanessaE	Exio4: beats me :)
10:04	Exio4	or i just wait for upstream to the http fetch shit to get merged
10:05	Exio4	and at the second it got merged, i git pull; change it back to what i had; and then i'm done
10:05	Megaf	VanessaE, on server side, how do I set up that?
10:05	VanessaE	no idea what that would do, Exio4
10:05	Megaf	-DENABLE_CURL:BOOL=ON
10:06	Megaf	what else?
10:06	VanessaE	Megaf: you need that, and you need a web server like nginx
10:06	VanessaE	or apache or whatever your favorite httpd is
10:06	Megaf	I have lighttpd already
10:06	VanessaE	that'll do
10:06	VanessaE	now, all you need is a directory full of png/x/obj/b3d/ogg/etc/etc/etc files
10:06	Megaf	That's the part I don't get
10:07	Exio4	what about using sha1 / new-httpfetch-interface?
10:07	Megaf	How do I put media there?
10:07	VanessaE	and you need to set up your minetest server's config file to tell clients where to look.  remote_media = http://your.host.com/path_to_your/files_folder/
10:07	Exio4	kahrl: ^ give us the power! :P
10:07	VanessaE	Megaf: you just use `find` to locate files.  Give me a few minutes and I will post my script that I use for my servers.
10:08	Megaf	VanessaE, so I actually just drop all files in a single folder?
10:09	Exio4	Unable to query CUDA driver version! Is an nVidia driver installed?
10:09	Exio4	ew
10:10	specing	I think I'll just symlink for now
10:10	specing	There doesen't seem to be a better way around these errors atm
10:10	VanessaE	Megaf: here's how I do it:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6593416/
10:11	VanessaE	this is the final step of about 5 that my buildbot goes through when building the games used on my servers.
10:12	VanessaE	(well less than 5.  one step builds the game files, one step does the uploading, one distributes everything, and the last one is that ^^^^^ )
10:12	Exio4	haha
10:12	VanessaE	basically, you are only interested in the first part of that script, up to line 68
10:12	Exio4	"cuda 5.5 sucks"
10:12	VanessaE	everything from there down is mostly repeats of the same basic premise
10:13	Exio4	(after some hours) merging cuda 5.5 support because it is fucking fast
10:14	VanessaE	Megaf: and here is the resultant directory full of files, for creative and survival that is created by that first section of that script:  http://minetest.digitalaudioconcepts.com/creative-survival-media/
10:14	VanessaE	(nevermind how much media there is, the idea is to see how it was done)
10:15	VanessaE	my method is far more simplistic than the sha-hash-based method that httpfetch also supports.  I don't know how to use that method.
10:15	specing	Next up
10:15	specing	Could not open file of texture: character.png
10:15	specing	Loaded mesh: character.x
10:15	specing	What is this character.png?
10:15	VanessaE	the default sklin
10:15	VanessaE	skin*
10:16	specing	Like the players's skin?
10:16	VanessaE	yeah
10:16	specing	Could it have been optimized out due to me playing/testing in singleplayer?
10:17	specing	I'll start a real server and see what happens.
10:18	Exio4	haha, my load average went up
10:19	VanessaE	there, that should cover those last two files in Nostalgia.....
10:19	* VanessaE	is tweaking her media script
10:19	specing	Nope, the error still pops up
10:20	specing	but it is client-side
10:21	VanessaE	yay!
10:21	VanessaE	not a single file on any of my 5 servers is served by media-FUBAR anymore!  woohoo!
10:22	VanessaE	(media_FUBAR is my name for the default non-cURL media transmission code, since it has no oifficial name ;) )
10:22	VanessaE	-i
10:24	Megaf	VanessaE, will this do? http://paste.debian.net/71554/
10:24	VanessaE	mmmm
10:24	VanessaE	yeah mostly
10:24	VanessaE	as long as you have write access to $MEDIA_PATH
10:24	VanessaE	but you need to filter it also
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10:25	Megaf	Filter what, why
10:25	VanessaE	you'll want to write the default stuff first, then delete anything from $MEDIA_PATH that is NOT default, then copy the NOT default stuff in
10:25	VanessaE	that way your worldmods will properly overwrite minetest_game (or your default game) stuff.
10:25	VanessaE	otherwise you'll still have some media being served up by media_FUBAR.
10:26	VanessaE	but for a quick test, that should work fine.
10:26	Exio4	oh
10:26	VanessaE	expect some stuff to be missed initially
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10:26	Megaf	Oh dear
10:26	VanessaE	but you should be able to see a decent improvement with that
10:27	VanessaE	megaf: you see where I egrep and then egrep -v into two separate txt files?
10:27	VanessaE	(lines 36, 37)
10:27	VanessaE	those are the filters in question.
10:27	Exio4	grep -E!
10:27	Exio4	egrep is deprecated since i use linux :P
10:28	Megaf	VanessaE, Ok, I will see that later, first let me get a new version of each mod
10:28	VanessaE	you copy, then remove based on what the next copy is about to add (because the next copy, even with -f, will fail to overwrite!), then copy in the overriding stuff.
10:28	VanessaE	Megaf: ok
10:28	Exio4	Need to get 987 MB/994 MB of archives.
10:28	Exio4	ew.
10:28	VanessaE	Megaf: remember to re-run this script every time you update a mod.
10:28	VanessaE	Exio4: but how much new disk space will be used?
10:28	Exio4	450mb more
10:28	VanessaE	and besides, egrep ain't deprecated :P
10:28	Exio4	but that doesn't matter
10:29	VanessaE	ouch.
10:29	VanessaE	450 ain't small change.
10:29	VanessaE	that's a whole texture pack :P
10:29	Exio4	In  addition,  three  variant  programs egrep, fgrep and rgrep are available.  egrep is the same as grep -E.  fgrep is the same as grep -F.  rgrep is the same as grep -r.  Direct invocation as either egrep or fgrep is deprecated, but is provided to allow historical applications that rely on them to run
10:29	Exio4	unmodified.
10:29	Exio4	man grep ^
10:29	VanessaE	the man page can kiss my ass ;)
10:30	* Exio4	throws a manual at VanessaE's head
10:30	* VanessaE	ducks
10:31	Exio4	well, rebooting
10:31	* Exio4	hopes everything works
10:32	Megaf	VanessaE, I need a better way to do this http://paste.debian.net/71557/
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10:33	VanessaE	MODLIST="file1
10:33	VanessaE	file2
10:33	VanessaE	...
10:33	VanessaE	fileN"
10:33	VanessaE	then just iterate through the list.
10:33	Megaf	Actually, it would be nice something that always get the latest version of each mod
10:33	Exio4	MODLIST=(file1 file2 file3)
10:34	VanessaE	that works too
10:34	VanessaE	but for long lists it's better to do one per line
10:34	Exio4	you can do (file1\n\tfile2\n\tfile3) too
10:34	Exio4	also, it is a different aproach
10:34	Exio4	yours isn't a list :P
10:34	Exio4	/array
10:36	VanessaE	Megaf: for that, I do, MODSDIR="~/Minetest-related/mods"; for i in `ls $MODSDIR`; do if [ -e "$i/.git" ] ; then cd $i; git pull; fi; cd $MODSDIR; done
10:36	VanessaE	(well, that's transcribed from my actual script, expect a typo or two there)
10:36	VanessaE	Exio4: readability trumps modern syntax :P
10:37	Exio4	`ls $M<ODSDIR`
10:37	Exio4	$MODSDIR/*
10:37	Exio4	it is safer, less exploitable
10:37	VanessaE	eh, use find anyway, not ls.
10:37	VanessaE	my actual script is a bit more complex.  find, a few pipes through grep to filter out crap that never needs updated, etc.
10:38	VanessaE	proper formatting/indentation, etc.
10:38	VanessaE	http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6593524/
10:39	VanessaE	and yes, I've been using the `backtick` method of command substitution for years.  so :P
10:39	VanessaE	(and that script was written before I figured out how to use egrep/grep -E)
10:41	Megaf	# from how far client knows about objects
10:41	Megaf	is this meters, chunks, nodes...
10:41	Megaf	blocks
10:41	Exio4	is that bash?
10:42	Exio4	bcuz [ ] too :P
10:42	Exio4	looks like code from 1990
10:42	Exio4	no "", using [ ], backticks
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10:46	VanessaE	that is indeed bash.
10:46	VanessaE	megaf: the distance is in mapblocks (so measures of 16 meters.  a value of 5 is thus, ~80 meters)
10:47	VanessaE	Exio4: my coding style is a product of the time I grew up.  don't knock what works for me :)
10:47	* Exio4	runs
10:48	VanessaE	Megaf: smaller is better for server performance.
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10:49	Megaf	VanessaE, I put 1
10:49	VanessaE	larger values enable larger circuits/pipelines/etc to be built without problems of things glitching out at the extreme edges, at a cost of CPU
10:49	VanessaE	1 is too small
10:49	VanessaE	keep it at aroudn 2 or 3.
10:49	VanessaE	around*
10:50	VanessaE	it affects things like abms too
10:50	VanessaE	furnaces et al. need it
10:51	VanessaE	what's probably needed is a way to throttle a badly-performing mod
10:51	VanessaE	such that it can never take more than, say, 70% of the server's CPU in total
10:52	Megaf	VanessaE, How do I enable remote media client side?
10:53	VanessaE	Megaf: as long as a client has cURL support compiled in, it just works.
10:54	VanessaE	and if it's less than ~48 hours old, it'll be quite fast thanks to kahrl's httpfetch code.
10:54	VanessaE	(faster than the previous cURL code I mean, which was already faster than media_FUBAR)
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10:58	Megaf	VanessaE, Perhaps I did something wrong, still takes a lot of time
10:59	Megaf	VanessaE, can you test for me please?
10:59	Megaf	!up minetest.megaf.info 30003
10:59	MinetestBot	minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (296ms)
11:00	VanessaE	06:00:10: ACTION[main]: Client: Contacting remote server "/var/www/media/"
11:00	VanessaE	incorrect
11:00	VanessaE	you need a real URL there.
11:00	VanessaE	the actual full web address of your server as a browser would see it
11:02	VanessaE	e.g. http://minetest.megaf.info/media/
11:02	Megaf	ok
11:02	proller	woow! 2 players online was max on ipv6 only server!!11
11:02	VanessaE	(though that just goes to a page that says "Hi" on it)
11:03	VanessaE	megaf:  just make sure it points to a URL I can reach from my browser.
11:03	VanessaE	then link me to it and I'll take a quick look at the listing
11:04	Megaf	VanessaE, Can you test again please?
11:04	VanessaE	Megaf: what's the URL for the media server?
11:04	VanessaE	HAH!
11:05	Megaf	VanessaE, the one you just game me
11:05	VanessaE	oh, oops, connected to my own server there :D
11:05	VanessaE	nope.avi
11:05	VanessaE	that URL I just gave you goes to a page that just says "hi"
11:05	VanessaE	the page needs to allow file listings.
11:05	VanessaE	configure your web server to allow autoindexing.
11:05	VanessaE	at least I think that's needed.
11:05	Megaf	http://minetest.megaf.info/media/
11:06	VanessaE	better to do it anyway and get rid of the "hi" page :).
11:06	Megaf	I see
11:06	VanessaE	makes it easier to test.
11:07	VanessaE	*shakes head*
11:07	VanessaE	definitely not the speed of a http server there.
11:07	VanessaE	about 24 kBytes/sec
11:07	VanessaE	*cancels it*
11:08	VanessaE	06:06:49: ACTION[main]: Client: Contacting remote server "http://minetest.megaf.info/media/"
11:08	VanessaE	this is correct, however
11:08	VanessaE	now you just have to configure the webserver itself to actually have files there for Minetest to find.
11:08	Megaf	also, server is pretty laggy
11:08	VanessaE	make sure they have valid permissions (644 on all files is sufficient)
11:09	* VanessaE	checks debug.txt
11:12	VanessaE	yeah
11:12	VanessaE	you're not serving up at all
11:12	VanessaE	no results for "Requesting remote media file" in debug.txt for my connection to your server
11:12	Megaf	VanessaE, so it really needs to have file listing enable?
11:12	VanessaE	means it found no files there and had to resort to media_FUBAR to get them :)
11:13	VanessaE	I guess so?  idk
11:13	VanessaE	try it and see
11:13	VanessaE	it's not like there's anything private in this directory
11:13	VanessaE	and you can configure that on a per-directory basis if you want ti
11:13	VanessaE	to*(
11:13	VanessaE	to**
11:14	VanessaE	http://minetest.megaf.info/media/  403 - Forbidden
11:14	VanessaE	chmod 755 /var/www/media
11:15	Megaf	VanessaE, Its just because file listing is not enabled
11:15	VanessaE	ok
11:16	VanessaE	it's probably something like auto-indexing
11:16	Megaf	hm
11:16	Megaf	let me try the 755 thing
11:16	VanessaE	that's how nginx calls it I think
11:17	Megaf	it works now http://minetest.megaf.info/media/default_break_glass.1.ogg
11:18	Megaf	http://minetest.megaf.info/media/homedecor_television_front.png
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11:19	VanessaE	the files may be there but your server isn't serving them up, or you have lots of stuff that isn't tjere
11:19	VanessaE	there*
11:19	VanessaE	did you remember to also copy your worldmods' files, and your system mods too?
11:20	VanessaE	I keep all my stuff in custom games and in world-specific worldmods folders, but there's also the global "mods" folder as well
11:20	VanessaE	files are coming in, very slowly.
11:21	* VanessaE	cancels
11:21	VanessaE	say when.
11:23	Megaf	VanessaE, This things is not clear at  all to me
11:24	Megaf	I mean, Can we use folders and subfolders there?
11:24	Megaf	Or every single file must be at the same media folder
11:24	VanessaE	http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6593674/
11:25	VanessaE	that's survival.
11:25	Megaf	just answer my question
11:25	Megaf	I have a really hard time concentrating and thinking
11:25	VanessaE	you go to the link in the remote_media line (8) and you see a listing of files.  that's it.  that's just all there is.
11:25	Megaf	attention is something I dont have
11:25	VanessaE	no, no subfolders.
11:25	VanessaE	one bit flat listing.
11:25	VanessaE	big*
11:26	VanessaE	and please be polite and patient.
11:26	VanessaE	believe me, if I can figure this out, you can.  I suck at this stuff.
11:26	VanessaE	until I set up nginx, I hadn't touched an actual web server in over 10 years.
11:27	VanessaE	and there's a reason for it.  I sucked then.  I still suck.  :)
11:27	VanessaE	now, go read my pastebin.
11:27	VanessaE	compare my config snippet to yours.
11:28	VanessaE	some folks say the address and port are not needed.  maybe they aren't, but they're there anyways in mine.  I saw no point to remove them if they didn't cause a problem. :P
11:28	VanessaE	since I can't see the listing of files on your remote media server, I can't begin to guess what's wrong
11:28	Megaf	VanessaE, I managed to enable listing on a single folder
11:28	Megaf	http://minetest.megaf.info/media/
11:28	VanessaE	ah, wait, there it is.
11:28	VanessaE	I see it now
11:29	VanessaE	ok, this seems right
11:29	VanessaE	*checks a few random files*
11:29	VanessaE	*clears cache and signs on*
11:29	VanessaE	*does NOT sign on*
11:30	Megaf	remote_media = http://minetest.megaf.info/media/
11:30	VanessaE	!up minetest.megaf.info:30003
11:30	MinetestBot	VanessaE: Syntax changed, please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
11:30	VanessaE	!up minetest.megaf.info 30003
11:30	MinetestBot	minetest.megaf.info:30003 seems to be down
11:30	VanessaE	foo.
11:30	Megaf	VanessaE, not up now
11:30	Megaf	remote_media = http://minetest.megaf.info/media/
11:30	VanessaE	ok
11:30	Megaf	is this right?
11:30	VanessaE	yup
11:30	VanessaE	same URL as you gave me to look at in the browser
11:30	Megaf	starting server
11:31	Megaf	!up minetest.megaf.info 30003
11:31	MinetestBot	minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (251ms)
11:32	Megaf	we must be missing something
11:32	VanessaE	either I'm pulling at the limit of your pipe or you're still missing some media, because I just can't seem to get more than ~24 kBytes/sec from you
11:36	VanessaE	06:31:23: INFO[main]: Client: Adding remote server "http://minetest.megaf.info/media/" for media download
11:36	VanessaE	good.
11:37	VanessaE	going through my log now.
11:40	VanessaE	hm.
11:40	Megaf	VanessaE, Servers is off
11:40	Megaf	VanessaE, Im downloading a ISO there so you can test its actual upload speed
11:40	VanessaE	lots of:   06:31:23: VERBOSE[main]: FileCache: File not found in cache: /home/vanessa/.minetest/cache/media/foo
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11:40	VanessaE	for various hash ID's $foo
11:41	VanessaE	ok
11:41	VanessaE	06:31:23: INFO[CurlFetchThread]: http://minetest.megaf.info/media/index.mth not found (HTTP response code said error) (response code 417)
11:41	VanessaE	this is not entirely normal (should be 404?)
11:41	VanessaE	06:31:23: INFO[main]: Client: Failed to remote-fetch 1869 files. Requesting them the usual way.
11:41	VanessaE	this is wrong
11:41	Megaf	Saving to: `debian-7.3.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso'
11:41	Megaf	60% [============>                    ] 410,402,436 6.66M/s  eta 61s
11:42	VanessaE	say when.
11:42	Megaf	VanessaE, wget http://minetest.megaf.info/media/debian-7.3.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso
11:42	VanessaE	nice fat pipe all right
11:44	Megaf	VanessaE, Whats the speed you get?
11:44	* VanessaE	cancels it
11:44	VanessaE	I peaked at 53.3 Mbps
11:45	Megaf	see?
11:45	Megaf	I got 100 mbps
11:45	Megaf	That's why I'm so frustrated
11:45	VanessaE	clearly you have the bandwidth for it
11:47	VanessaE	I know I've got cURL support here, I've tested it about two dozen times over, over the course of the night whilst getting my own remote_media server in good order.  30 second sto fetch 35 MB.
11:48	Megaf	VanessaE, I got a tone of stuff like this
11:48	Megaf	cp: will not overwrite just-created `/var/www/media/hdf_3c.png' with `/home/minetest/Minetest/_New/minetest/games/minetest_game/mods/homedecor/extra_fonts/25px/hdf_3c.png'
11:48	Megaf	cp: will not overwrite just-created `/var/www/media/hdf_3a.png' with `/home/minetest/Minetest/_New/minetest/games/minetest_game/mods/homedecor/extra_fonts/25px/hdf_3a.png'
11:48	VanessaE	I know
11:48	VanessaE	that's why I said you have to filter and copy/rm/copy in two stages,
11:48	Megaf	using this ...http://paste.debian.net/71554
11:48	Megaf	ok
11:49	VanessaE	cp is being stupid about the -f switch
11:49	Megaf	that may be the problem
11:49	VanessaE	it's part of, yes
11:49	proller	sudo find -L /home/proller/.minetest/games/sky/mods \( -name "*.png" -or -name "*.ogg" -or -name "*.b3d" -or -name "*.x" \) -exec ln -fs {} /usr/local/www/vhost/minetest.setun.net/html/data/ \;
11:50	Megaf	let me try that
11:51	VanessaE	you ave to filter for the default stuff, filter for the non-default stuff, copy the default stuff to a temp folder, then rm the non-default stuff from that folder (which will delete a few default items that coincide with the non-default items, obviously), then copy the nondefault items into there.  Then finally rsync or copy the result to your live directory
11:51	VanessaE	have*
11:51	VanessaE	lile I did.
11:52	VanessaE	proller: that works as a basic test but it doesn't account for mod loading order and dependencies.  my method takes that into account, to some degree.
11:52	VanessaE	my five servers now have remote media that completely account for that.  at least they did as of an hour ago :P
11:53	VanessaE	+s
11:53	specing	Has anyone managed to attach the 3d_armor mod to unified inventory instead of the /m modmenu?
11:53	VanessaE	criminy I must be tired, my typing is suffering worse than usual.
11:53	VanessaE	specing: I don't know that anyone has attempted it, but a number of people have requested it.  I think there is/was a plan to add a proper API to Unified Inventory to allow this.
11:54	VanessaE	maybe such already exists now, I don't recall.
11:56	Megaf	proller, Can I change ln -fs with cp?
11:57	proller	yes
11:58	Megaf	proller, http://paste.debian.net/71575/
11:59	Megaf	I know, I just missed something
11:59	VanessaE	yeah, like the $GAME_PATH :)
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12:01	Megaf	proller, VanessaE http://paste.debian.net/71578/
12:02	VanessaE	I guess so, but you'll have the same issue as before
12:02	Megaf	http://minetest.megaf.info/media/
12:04	Megaf	Still not working
12:04	VanessaE	nope.
12:05	Megaf	oh deer
12:12	VanessaE	well I'm off to bed for a second try
12:12	VanessaE	maybe this time I'll sleep.
12:12	VanessaE	good luck with your server
12:13	VanessaE	give my full script a second look ( http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6593416/ )
12:13	Megaf	proller, VanessaE My servers peak of upload is 6 KB/s
12:13	VanessaE	you will need the multi-stage filtering/copying bit or you won't get max performance out of it.
12:14	Megaf	12 KB/s
12:14	proller	too many small files
12:14	proller	my server can upload 400k of media without http
12:16	VanessaE	bbl
12:19	Megaf	proller, any idea why my servers remote media isnt working?
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12:45	proller	seems working
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13:07	Megaf	proller,
13:07	Megaf	minetestli677-246:~/Minetest/_FreeMiner/freeminer$ cmake . -DWARN_ALL:BOOL=1 -DVERSION_EXTRA:STRING=Megaf-Freeminer -DRUN_IN_PLACE:BOOL=1 -DIRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR:PATH=/home/minetest/irrlicht-1.8.1/ -DENABLE_FREETYPE:BOOL=ON -DENABLE_CURL:BOOL=ON -DBUILD_SERVER:BOOL=1 -DBUILD_CLIENT:BOOL=0
13:07	Megaf	I will give it a try
13:07	Megaf	Hi john_minetest
13:12	iqualfragile	john_minetest: was für drogen nimmst denn du?
13:13	Megaf	proller, your v7 mapgen works?
13:13	Megaf	does it actually truly works?
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13:17	Megaf	proller, freeminer doest work
13:17	Megaf	I cant place any node
13:17	Megaf	!up minetest.megaf.info 30004
13:17	MinetestBot	minetest.megaf.info:30004 is up (462ms)
13:17	Megaf	thats my freeminer server
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13:25	thexyz	john_minetest: c++
13:25	thexyz	the 4th edition
13:25	iqualfragile	Megaf: wut? half a sec? thats more or less unplayable
13:26	iqualfragile	john_minetest: per anhalter durch die galaxis
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13:27	thexyz	bjarne stroustrup
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13:29	proller	!up minetest.megaf.info 30004
13:29	MinetestBot	minetest.megaf.info:30004 seems to be down
13:29	Megaf	proller, I shuted it down already
13:29	George	yes
13:29	proller	Megaf, v7 by hmmmm, and in freeminer it have base biomes
13:30	proller	better to use indev
13:31	thexyz	why would 0.5s ping be unplayable? it's not a shooter after all
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13:36	thexyz	consider the book i suggested
13:36	thexyz	it's a good one
13:43	iqualfragile	thexyz: well, it could be, still moving stuff in your inv gets realy laggy
13:43	iqualfragile	and opening menues and stuff
13:47	proller	1-3 seconds lag on sky with 17 players
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14:01	kaeza	greetings
14:04	Megaf	Hi kaeza
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14:06	specing	proller: "3D. Very hard. no lags."
14:07	specing	Now that is false advertising :P
14:07	proller	okay, less lags than on other servers
14:08	specing	is that 'less' a measurable quantity?
14:09	specing	Because the last time I tried riding an ufo on Sky it didn't end well
14:09	proller	maybe now ufo will work better
14:10	proller	'less'- you can walk and do something
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14:29	Megaf	how do I use minetestmapper?
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14:30	Megaf	VanessaE, Welcome back
14:30	Megaf	VanessaE, How do I use minetestmapper?
14:38	iqualfragile	Megaf: util/minetestmapper --draworigin --drawscale --drawplayers -i worlds/newworld -o remotemedia/html/map-$datum.png 2> minetestmapper.log
14:38	Megaf	iqualfragile, --draworigin what does this do?
14:39	iqualfragile	result is to be found at http://mineguild.de:8000/
14:39	iqualfragile	draworigin draws a big ret circle where the spawn is
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14:40	Megaf	I think this gonna take some time to finish
14:42	iqualfragile	no, takes around 5 secs to finish for me
14:44	Megaf	my maps must be bigger
14:44	iqualfragile	or you are using the python mapper
14:45	thexyz	apparently Android now is the most popular platform Minetest runs on
14:45	Megaf	iqualfragile,
14:45	Megaf	$ du -hs Minetest/_New/minetest/worlds/world/map.sqlite
14:45	thexyz	which is even more fun knowing there is no official Android support
14:45	Megaf	1.4GMinetest/_New/minetest/worlds/world/map.sqlite
14:45	thexyz	and the port which is on google play has quite weird controls
14:45	iqualfragile	thexyz: why?
14:45	thexyz	iqualfragile: why what?
14:45	Megaf	$ du -hs Minetest/_New/minetest/worlds/
14:45	Megaf	1.9GMinetest/_New/minetest/worlds/
14:46	iqualfragile	why do you postulate android would be the most popular minetest platform
14:46	thexyz	because it is
14:46	Megaf	minetestli677-246:~/Minetest/_New/minetest-mapper-cpp$ ./minetest_mapper -i ../minetest/worlds/world -o ../MegafTillItEnds.png --draworigin
14:46	Megaf	cpp version
14:46	iqualfragile	based on which data
14:46	thexyz	the buildcraft port has 100k-500k installs according to google play
14:47	iqualfragile	Megaf: yes, there is a slight size differenze
14:47	thexyz	it's rising like crazy
14:47	iqualfragile	thexyz: ah, k
14:47	thexyz	it was 10k not so long ago
14:47	thexyz	a week or so?
14:47	kaeza	has anyone here tested that port?
14:47	iqualfragile	so, its still that strange chinese ripoff company?
14:47	Megaf	me
14:47	Megaf	slow and buggy
14:47	thexyz	iqualfragile: yes
14:48	thexyz	kaeza: yes, I bought it when it was paid
14:48	iqualfragile	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxDFO00-9fk
14:48	iqualfragile	wow
14:48	thexyz	it's fine but controls are weird
14:48	thexyz	you see
14:48	thexyz	android people will eat anything
14:48	iqualfragile	thats kinda sad
14:48	thexyz	that's what Minetest should've considered
14:48	thexyz	but now it's too late I think
14:48	kaeza	well, there were some users that didn't know how to climb down ladders
14:49	thexyz	awwww
14:49	thexyz	> Thank you for your interest in JetBrains’ C++ IDE that is currently under development.
14:49	kaeza	do these devices or the port itself have any kind of shift key/button?
14:50	Megaf	http://minetest.megaf.info/index.php/2013/12/18/megaf-till-it-ends-is-back/
14:50	thexyz	kaeza: I have no idea
14:50	thexyz	well I honestly think that my controls are already better
14:50	kaeza	aww
14:50	kaeza	I'll point them towards freeminer anyway
14:51	thexyz	though there's no "use" button yet
14:51	thexyz	or whatever it's called
14:51	thexyz	meh no one is contributing -(
14:51	thexyz	even though I hoped sfan5 will
14:51	iqualfragile	hmm… so there is work towards our "own" minetest version for android?
14:52	thexyz	*freeminer
14:52	thexyz	it works okayish
14:52	thexyz	https://github.com/freeminer/freeminer/issues/10#issuecomment-30752049
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15:26	Peacock	Ouch 'Botched circumcision allegations against Quebec doctor grow'
15:35	sfan5	thexyz: hm
15:35	sfan5	if I can't test it on my android device I can't really help
15:35	sfan5	hi everyone btw
15:46	kaeza	hey sfan5
15:47	kaeza	sfan5, "49864321223fc6789rgK-Sv (49864321223fc6789rgK-Server) has joined" and "bgyfggjgghghuhhhghyK-Sv (bgyfggjgghghuhhhghyK-Server) has joined"
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15:53	sfan5	kaeza: what's with that?
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16:00	thexyz	sfan5: you can't?
16:01	sfan5	thexyz: I only have 18 MB of free space and no armv7
16:01	sfan5	I'll be getting a better android phone for christmas
16:02	thexyz	then you can start by making it work with your device!
16:02	sfan5	hell no
16:02	sfan5	it will be too slow anyway
16:02	thexyz	A lot of buggy commits are constantly pushed to GIT and made available to download. That's unacceptable.
16:02	thexyz	lol
16:03	thexyz	usinng git master
16:03	thexyz	expecting it to work
16:03	thexyz	people in minetest community are too spoiled with this shit
16:03	thexyz	it has to stop
16:03	thexyz	use stable builds or die
16:03	sfan5	"only use git builds, if you know what you are doing"
16:04	sfan5	s/,//
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16:05	EvergreenTree	/branchwave
16:05	thexyz	that won't stop those people
16:05	thexyz	because they truly think they know what they're doing
16:05	thexyz	we should just
16:05	thexyz	ask them what stable version are they using
16:05	thexyz	and then be very surprised when they answer "git master"
16:06	Peacock	or git mistress
16:06	thexyz	the problem is that this way we won't get as many bug reports though
16:06	thexyz	so there should probably be servers hosted by developers or people who do know what they're doing
16:06	thexyz	just to test shit out
16:06	thexyz	like there was a development server hosted by c55 back then
16:08	Peacock	well with so many devs sure one of them can setup an official -dev server
16:08	Peacock	*surely
16:09	Peacock	the obvious choice would be V though she's got the hardware and the patience to test stuff :P
16:13	thexyz	yeah patience sure
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16:14	Peacock	relatively then :P
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16:14	MinetestBot	Jordach: <PilzAdam>  /me taps Jordach
16:14	MegafAtWork	minetestli677-246:~/Minetest/_New/minetest-mapper-cpp$ ./minetest_mapper --draworigin --geometry -100:-100+100+100 -i ../minetest/worlds/world/ -o MegafTillItEnds.png
16:14	MegafAtWork	What's wrong here?
16:15	MegafAtWork	I mean, it takes a lot of time
16:15	sfan5	what happens without the --geometry option?
16:15	MegafAtWork	I attempted that before, without geometry, and all I got was a white image
16:16	MegafAtWork	also, can I run mapper with server running?
16:17	sfan5	no
16:17	sfan5	it can corrupt the map if you do
16:17	MegafAtWork	sfan5: without --geometry it took really long http://minetest.megaf.info/media/MegafTillItEnds.png
16:17	MegafAtWork	[14:18] <sfan5> it can corrupt the map if you do
16:17	MegafAtWork	Thats a valuable info that should be clear and written somewhere
16:19	sfan5	yeah
16:19	MegafAtWork	sfan5: so, here it takes ages to complete
16:20	MegafAtWork	the cpp version
16:20	MegafAtWork	the python version wont even run
16:20	MegafAtWork	Traceback (most recent call last):   File "./minetestmapper.py", line 34, in <module>     from PIL import Image, ImageDraw, ImageFont, ImageColor
16:20	sfan5	!g PIL python
16:20	MinetestBot	sfan5: http://www.pythonware.com/products/pil/
16:20	sfan5	that should bring you on the right way what you need to install
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16:24	proller	35 players on sky! new record
16:24	MegafAtWork	if I allow empty passwords I get there easily
16:25	proller	no ;)
16:25	ShadowNinja	MegafAtWork: I run the CPP mapper with a 4000x4000 map and it only takes a few minutes.
16:25	proller	63.77% cpu
16:25	ShadowNinja	MegafAtWork: And guests, and grant interact by default.
16:26	MegafAtWork	ShadowNinja: my map is 1.2 GB
16:29	ShadowNinja	MegafAtWork: Mine is 2.0GB
16:30	MegafAtWork	ShadowNinja: so there must be something really wrong with my server
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17:09	VanessaE	hi
17:09	thexyz	oh wow
17:09	thexyz	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8019
17:10	thexyz	post walls of text
17:10	thexyz	the solution is to reboot
17:10	thexyz	why do people shitpost?
17:11	thexyz	shit, i'm so angry right now
17:12	thexyz	let me write another wall of text
17:12	thexyz	oh VanessaE it was really nice to reply to him
17:13	VanessaE	I tried
17:13	thexyz	although is a waste of resources
17:13	VanessaE	eh, better to waste resources and keep one person than to spend no resources and lose 2.
17:14	thexyz	why two?
17:14	thexyz	just lose one
17:14	thexyz	and anyway he'd have figured this after rebooting
17:14	thexyz	by himself
17:14	VanessaE	it's a euphemism
17:15	specing	As far as I see right now, amount of generated ore does not increase the deeper you dig
17:15	specing	Is there a way to make it depth-dependent? (I'd like a mining rainbow at -30000)
17:15	VanessaE	specing: there was discussion about this when the new ore generation was put in.  I guess it was decided that it would be too hard to code.
17:17	Jordach	specing, oh it does
17:17	Jordach	travel down to -30000 and watch
17:17	Jordach	time to mine some more VanessaE ;)
17:18	specing	Jordach: I was down at -30000 and I was not impressed
17:18	Jordach	specing, some mods limit their height to other places
17:18	specing	Most of the ore is -31000
17:18	specing	There was no difference between -250 and -30000
17:19	specing	still loads of cobbles everywhere
17:21	specing	Last time I was on -30000 is was on Clip's server
17:22	specing	Been to -30500 on Sky and there wasnt a lot of ore there
17:22	Jordach	john_minetest, timed out ;)
17:22	Jordach	v6 does have the rainbow cave phenomemon
17:25	specing	Jordach: Clip is v6, Sky is 'indev'
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17:37	MinetestBot	PilzAdam: <zsoltisawesome> Have fun being out of the freezer
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17:37	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
17:37	Calinou	I have sounds off here
17:37	Calinou	too many mods on servers have WAY TOO LOUD sounds
17:37	Calinou	hi PilzAdam :)
17:41	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: Actually it was implemented, and I have the patch here, but it wasn't pushed. (I'm not sure why)
17:43	ShadowNinja	0.3 has about 20/80 MESE to stone at -30912 BTW. :-)
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17:47	qwebirc92429	#futuremods
17:47	qwebirc92429	jain if you wan't
17:48	qwebirc92429	jjoin i mean sorry
17:48	qwebirc92429	how do i change my nickname does anyone know
17:49	ShadowNinja	/nick
17:50	Calinou	I don't want to get deaf
17:50	PilzAdam	qwebirc92429, whats that channel about?
17:51	qwebirc92429	just
17:51	qwebirc92429	future mods
17:51	qwebirc92429	sir
17:51	PilzAdam	what mods? Minetest mods?#
17:51	qwebirc92429	yes
17:51	qwebirc92429	ideas
17:51	PilzAdam	and why is that channel useful?
17:51	qwebirc92429	not that i could make them
17:52	PilzAdam	I mean, we have this channel to talk about mod ideas
17:52	qwebirc92429	ok
17:52	qwebirc92429	sorry sir
17:54	MegafAtWork	john_minetest: same here
17:54	MegafAtWork	usually some passer by or a sheep
17:54	specing	ShadowNinja: 0.3?
17:55	MegafAtWork	indeed
17:55	ShadowNinja	specing: Yes, Minetest version 1.3.0.
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17:55	specing	1.3.0?!
17:56	ShadowNinja	Er, 0.3.1
17:56	specing	thats ancient
17:56	ShadowNinja	(I forgot the first number is always zero)
17:56	MegafAtWork	SPLIIIITT!
17:57	PilzAdam	breaking news!!! Minetest 1.3.0 confirmed!
17:57	MegafAtWork	PilzAdam: lol
17:57	ShadowNinja	Heh.
17:57	MegafAtWork	!rainbow In a Split Minetest 1.3.0 comes
17:57	MinetestBot	8In5 a 5S7pl5it 6M8in9e8te5s4t9 ​15.6​3.2​03 c3om6e7s
17:57	ShadowNinja	So who wants to rewrite the protocol after 0.4.9? :-)
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17:58	MinetestBot	rubenwardy: <PilzAdam> I dont have anything else to say
17:58	rubenwardy	Hi all
17:58	MinetestBot	rubenwardy: <sapier> I don't have anything to say too
17:58	rubenwardy	lol
17:58	PilzAdam	heh
17:58	ShadowNinja	Um, PM? ^ :-)
17:58	MegafAtWork	Hi rubenwardy
17:59	Calinou	ShadowNinja, sfan5 suggested sending less packets as reliable
17:59	Calinou	could be worth a try
18:00	ShadowNinja	Calinou: Well, most of the protocol is reliable, so we should use TCP.
18:00	specing	How about that new protocol
18:00	specing	SCTP or what is it called
18:01	rubenwardy	"PilzAdam can't control his/her aggressions, either. He/She picked on others 13 times."
18:01	MinetestBot	rubenwardy: <john_minetest> hi
18:01	* PilzAdam	slaps rubenwardy
18:01	rubenwardy	quote from http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html
18:01	PilzAdam	*14
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18:03	specing	Hahaha celeron55 didn't make it to the top
18:03	Issa2013	hello
18:03	rubenwardy	16 rubenwardy¬
18:03	MinetestBot	rubenwardy: <john_minetest> It is 19:03 on my clock now
18:04	rubenwardy	a
18:04	PilzAdam	specing, why would he? hes not even in this channel
18:04	MinetestBot	john_minetest: <rubenwardy> please shut up
18:04	rubenwardy	:P
18:05	specing	VanessaE spoke a total of 228661 words!
18:05	specing	Omg :O
18:06	rubenwardy	(took 5 seconds
18:06	rubenwardy	)
18:09	MegafAtWork	1:50 hour to go home
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18:15	rubenwardy	Netsplit thingy?
18:15	MinetestBot	rubenwardy: <john_minetest> Just 5 seconds?
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18:15	rubenwardy	Wow
18:17	rubenwardy	j
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18:31	rubenwardy	Jordach! Hi.
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18:36	George	what does deop mean may i ask
18:37	PilzAdam	George, its the inverse to op
18:37	Peacock	deop = before sex change, postop = after :P
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18:45	Jordach	i call systems bullshit
18:45	kahrl	I always figured deop was a lispism
18:46	kahrl	as in, "does this person use deo?"
18:46	Peacock	metro/subway user i see :P
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18:49	rubenwardy	john_minetest: It appear that the bot only posts !tell when 1) they post a message, 2) They login (which is a message)
18:50	MinetestBot	john_minetest: <rubenwardy> see!
18:50	PilzAdam	rubenwardy, yea, thats the point of it
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18:51	Peacock	seems kinda pointless with forum messages and email
18:52	Santa	hi!
18:53	ZwartePiet	where'd santa go?
18:55	rubenwardy	Back to his work shop
18:55	Peacock	the chinese factory?
18:57	rubenwardy	Can someone add a link on http://wiki.minetest.net/Main_Page to http://wiki.minetest.net/Troubleshooting ?
18:57	rubenwardy	Or allow me to edit the main page, and I can do it :OP
18:57	rubenwardy	:P
18:58	* rubenwardy	is doing 6 bit pixel art (like in the first mario - same palete)
18:59	VanessaE	I think the first mario was from a 4-bit palette :P
19:00	rubenwardy	http://www.thealmightyguru.com/Games/Hacking/Wiki/images/e/e8/Palette_NTSC.png
19:03	rubenwardy	Its the palete for Nintendo Entertainment System
19:03	rubenwardy	!c 2^4
19:03	MinetestBot	IndexError: list index out of range (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/calc.py", line 46, in c)
19:03	VanessaE	huh.
19:03	MinetestBot	IndexError: list index out of range (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/calc.py", line 46, in c)
19:04	VanessaE	I didn't realize it had that many colors.
19:04	PilzAdam	sfan5_, ^
19:04	rubenwardy	!c 2*2*2*2
19:04	MinetestBot	IndexError: list index out of range (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/calc.py", line 46, in c)
19:04	VanessaE	for some reason I thought it was just a 16-color system.
19:04	ShadowNinja	~math calc 2*2*2*2
19:04	ShadowBot	ShadowNinja: 16
19:04	FreeFull	!c 3
19:04	MinetestBot	IndexError: list index out of range (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/calc.py", line 46, in c)
19:04	rubenwardy	!rainbow hi
19:04	MinetestBot	3h5i
19:05	rubenwardy	Bot bug!
19:05	ShadowNinja	Not exactly rare. ;-)
19:06	rubenwardy	http://ubuntuone.com/29t1aUKMYv6VrMS3RDFwG4 :P (png, pixel art)
19:07	rubenwardy	Making a donkey kong style retro game
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19:08	ShadowNinja	~tell Calinou Fix moreblocks. things registered with register_stair_slab_panel_micro aren't added to th circular saw, and manually adding it doesn't work. It also has some rather serious code style issues.
19:08	ShadowBot	ShadowNinja: O.K.
19:10	VanessaE	ShadowBot: look at how I do it in gloopblocks
19:10	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: ^^^^
19:11	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: I tried inserting it manually but it isn't working.
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19:12	VanessaE	wfm :)
19:13	VanessaE	of course gloopblocks has code style issues as well but I can blame most of that on nekogloop ;)
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19:17	Peacock	by code style issues you mean the guy wrote it in his own style? :P i wouldn't call that an issue so much as a fact of life :P
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19:19	rubenwardy	What if their style was to write it all on one line with ;'s
19:19	Megaf	we could port minetest to web with this https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/wiki
19:20	Peacock	well people code for their own pleasure not for other people's benefit, so it make sense they should use whatever style theyre comfortable with
19:24	E4xoi	~math calc 1+1
19:24	E4xoi	ShadowBot: hi
19:24	Megaf	Here is an example of a game ported to HTML5 http://www.unrealengine.com/html5/
19:25	E4xoi	Megaf: if it already sucks performance-wise, imagine in html
19:25	E4xoi	also, you would need irrlicht for html5
19:29	Megaf	Theres Lua to HTML5 too http://kripken.github.io/lua.vm.js/repl.html
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19:35	Megaf	proller: lets port minetest to browserz https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/wiki
19:35	E4xoi	inb4 fixed in freeminer
19:37	harrison	<Peacock> well people code for their own pleasure...
19:38	harrison	true that
19:38	harrison	the pleasure is excruciating
19:38	harrison	surprising that the govt has not found a way to tax it yet
19:39	Peacock	well only if you're doing commiopensource :P i get more of a kick out of contracts (moneys, learnings, no harassments) :P
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19:49	Peacock	"Facebook, Zuckerberg, banks must face IPO lawsuit, court rules" you'd think people would have learned something from the dot-com bust lol
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19:57	MinetestBot	GIT: Uberi commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Change field receipt handling to work properly with Minetest 0.4.8. e8d31c3e5a 2013-12-18T11:54:46-08:00 http://git.io/GtzCCg
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20:00	zsoltisawesome	ugh, it was horrible not being on IRC
20:00	zsoltisawesome	i broke my vaction
20:00	Calinou	hi zsoltisawesome :p
20:01	zsoltisawesome	i resisted for a total of like 16 hours
20:01	zsoltisawesome	I NEED FRIENDS!
20:01	zsoltisawesome	!seen lordcirth
20:01	MinetestBot	zsoltisawesome: lordcirth was last seen at 2013-12-17 05:57:26 UTC on #minetest
20:01	* Calinou	puts Rainbow Dash in the channel
20:01	* zsoltisawesome	grabs Rainbow Dash greedly
20:02	zsoltisawesome	MINE!
20:02	Peacock	it's a bit sad to rely on IRC for friends :P what about IRL?
20:03	zsoltisawesome	well, im grounded from visiting IRL friends until i finish this: http://www.k12.com
20:03	zsoltisawesome	well, this grade
20:04	Peacock	and you dont see friends at school?
20:04	* zsoltisawesome	facepalms
20:04	zsoltisawesome	i got to online school
20:04	E4xoi	calinou doesn't
20:04	zsoltisawesome	*go
20:04	E4xoi	wat zsoltisawesome
20:05	Peacock	you homeschooled or failed real school?
20:05	zsoltisawesome	wat E4xoi?
20:05	zsoltisawesome	no, damn bullies
20:05	* E4xoi	dubstep remixes zsoltisawesome
20:05	Peacock	why don't you clean their chronometers?
20:06	zsoltisawesome	wutsauce?
20:06	zsoltisawesome	EWWWWW
20:06	zsoltisawesome	XD
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20:06	Calinou	s/du/di
20:06	* Calinou	holds grenade for 4 seconds
20:06	Calinou	john_minetest, isn't it Barbra
20:07	Calinou	I always think Barbra Streisand is a singer from the 60s
20:09	zsoltisawesome	hmmm
20:09	zsoltisawesome	anyone wanna volunteer to make the texture for Moontest?
20:10	Peacock	for 310'000 british pounds i'll do it
20:11	zsoltisawesome	for free
20:11	zsoltisawesome	well, i'll consider mailing a herseys bar
20:12	Peacock	will probably be intercepted and seized by the TSA lol
20:12	E4xoi	pay me with DOGEcoin!
20:13	zsoltisawesome	s/seized/eaten
20:13	E4xoi	so currency much texture
20:14	zsoltisawesome	whats DOGEcoin
20:14	MinetestBot	GIT: Uberi commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Vertical wire update. d9cc1d5aa1 2013-12-18T12:14:03-08:00 http://git.io/wVF4Hw
20:15	E4xoi	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=361813.0!title
20:15	E4xoi	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=361813.0
20:15	E4xoi	!title
20:15	MinetestBot	E4xoi: [ANN][DOGE] Dogecoin - very currency - many coin - wow - v1.1 Released
20:16	Peacock	doubleplus good
20:16	Calinou	lol, E4xoi is now spreading that dogecoin
20:16	Peacock	better than spreading dogeshit
20:16	kaeza	*Shitcoin
20:17	Calinou	Shitcoin, nice name
20:17	Peacock	nice
20:17	E4xoi	pls hurry, much solo mining, wow no doges
20:17	zsoltisawesome	what the hell is this
20:17	E4xoi	pls Peacock
20:17	E4xoi	zsoltisawesome: a meme-based just-for-the-lulz virtual currency
20:18	E4xoi	i have 1600 DOGE :D
20:18	E4xoi	in my wallet and 350~ going to it
20:20	jin_xi	should make lolcoins for the cat lovers
20:21	Calinou	ponycoins
20:21	jin_xi	duh
20:21	zsoltisawesome	Calinou: +1
20:21	zsoltisawesome	lol
20:22	jin_xi	im in ur wallet eating your moniez
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20:22	zsoltisawesome	E4xoi: does the dogecoin miner need win?
20:22	jin_xi	i can haz lolcoin nao?
20:22	E4xoi	win = wat
20:22	E4xoi	windows?
20:22	E4xoi	no it doesn't
20:23	Peacock	rmscoin, 20 years to develop, never quite finished, and only mined on HURD systems :P
20:23	zsoltisawesome	lol
20:23	Peacock	which means only a dozen or so will get rich lol
20:23	kaeza	Peacock, and the coins are free!
20:23	kaeza	*free as in freedom
20:24	Peacock	oh and since the coins will be licensed GPL, rms can change the terms in any future version and seize your coins, for your freedom :P
20:24	zsoltisawesome	lol
20:25	Peacock	of course, no one will be fully free until we relieve everyone of the burdens of property ownership and free will XD
20:25	Peacock	at which point, I will be your Supreme Chancellor for life
20:26	Peacock	or GNU/Myass
20:26	kaeza	john_minetest, monopolymoney is proprietary! you should be ashamed!
20:28	zsoltisawesome	what the hell is up with the horrible grammer?
20:28	Peacock	Kelsey Grammar? his latest shows aren't that bad
20:28	E4xoi	zsoltisawesome: that is the joke
20:29	zsoltisawesome	its hard to understand
20:29	zsoltisawesome	XD
20:29	E4xoi	it isn't that hard
20:29	zsoltisawesome	so, how many coins you want
20:29	zsoltisawesome	per texture
20:30	Calinou	john_minetest, there is already "libass"
20:30	PilzAdam	inb4 libpony
20:31	Calinou	I don't think so
20:31	zash	regex lib?
20:31	Calinou	PilzAdam, there's some planet-stuff software named "celestia"
20:31	PilzAdam	lol, first hit on "libpony" is "Diablo 3 retail client Emulator - BoerseBZ"
20:32	PilzAdam	oO https://github.com/libpony/
20:33	* specing	slaps Peacock
20:33	Peacock	dont do that, i might get aroused
20:34	Peacock	http://humoroutcasts.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/nodontdothatyoullgivemeanerrection.jpg
20:35	zsoltisawesome	lol
20:36	Peacock	he;s pretty funny in this skit http://youtu.be/vLfghLQE3F4
20:39	zsoltisawesome	guys: https://github.com/search?q=libwtf&amp;type=Code&amp;ref=searchresults
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20:42	zsoltisawesome	lol i found liblib
20:43	zsoltisawesome	even libliblib https://github.com/search?q=libwtf&amp;type=Code&amp;ref=searchresults
20:47	Peacock	you'd think most geeks would need an outside lib to be a perv lol
20:47	Peacock	*wouldn't
20:48	Peacock	(judging from all the recorded webcam sessions turning up on tube sites) :P
20:49	zsoltisawesome	https://github.com/thomasluce/cumquat
20:50	Calinou	in #minetest-dev: <rubenwardy> Security night mare
20:50	Calinou	sounds like a pony
20:50	Calinou	:>
20:50	zsoltisawesome	indeed
20:51	zsoltisawesome	oh snap: http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130106212746/villains/images/8/8f/Nightmare_Moon.png
20:52	zsoltisawesome	who gives a fuck?
20:53	Peacock	i have a few fucks i can give, the rest are for sale
20:54	iqualfragile	Calinou: nah, he was just woried about me having his email
20:54	zsoltisawesome	lol
20:58	MinetestBot	GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Include WorldEdit GUI in the documentation, improve privilege handling, simplify main dialog. https://gi 2013-12-18T12:56:50-08:00 http://git.io/1WYzyg
20:59	zsoltisawesome	ugh
20:59	zsoltisawesome	i hate not having a way to compile stuff
21:00	kahrl	which os?
21:02	zsoltisawesome	Ubuntu 12.04 livecd or Windows 7 64bit
21:02	kahrl	every windows 7 ships with at least 1 compiler
21:02	zsoltisawesome	like what
21:03	kahrl	C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework64\v4.0.30319\csc.exe
21:03	zsoltisawesome	really?
21:04	kahrl	yes, if you like C# ;)
21:04	iqualfragile	kahrl: stop making fun of him
21:04	kahrl	I am not
21:04	Miner_48er	what do you need to compile?
21:04	zsoltisawesome	its very sharp, i tend to stay away from sharp object because i am clumsy
21:04	zsoltisawesome	cgminer
21:05	zsoltisawesome	i wish i didnt need it
21:08	Miner_48er	zsoltisawesome what's that for?
21:09	zsoltisawesome	cgminer is for mining bitcoins/dogecoins/wahtevertheshitcoins
21:10	zsoltisawesome	:( minetests tiny following has died like a fart in the wind
21:10	daswort	you list dogecoins but not litecoin?
21:11	E4xoi	much litecoin
21:11	zsoltisawesome	those was off the top of my head
21:11	kahrl	bitcoin? well that bubble did just pop
21:12	daswort	kahrl~ did it? did i miss it?
21:12	ShadowNinja	Calinou: Got my message?
21:12	E4xoi	xD
21:12	Miner_48er	zsoltisawesome https://www.coinat.com/tutorials/how-to-mine-litecoins-with-cgminer-on-windows/
21:12	daswort	E4xoi~ very precise!
21:13	kahrl	daswort: it fell below $500 today
21:13	zsoltisawesome	lol
21:13	zsoltisawesome	Miner_48er: umm linux not windows :P
21:14	daswort	let us take a closer look at the metapher bubble. Does a bubble fall when you put a needle in it? I think not.
21:14	zsoltisawesome	FART IN THE WIND, guys
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21:14	Peacock	better than piss in the wind (blowback and all)
21:14	daswort	zsoltisawesome nearly subscribed to "cat factsâ„¢"
21:15	zsoltisawesome	Peacock: LOL
21:15	Miner_48er	https://coinaxis.com/index.php/entry/how-to-configure-linux-and-build-cgminer-for-bitcoin-and-litecoin
21:15	Peacock	coin axis, axis of evil, OMGs
21:15	zsoltisawesome	lol
21:16	zsoltisawesome	guys #dogecoin
21:16	zsoltisawesome	!title
21:17	MinetestBot	zsoltisawesome: How To Configure Linux, and build Cgminer for bitcoin and litecoin. - Home
21:17	Peacock	!tits
21:17	zsoltisawesome	!rainbow tits
21:17	MinetestBot	7t8i2ts
21:17	Peacock	i guess minetestbot's a prude
21:17	zsoltisawesome	lol
21:17	sapier	[ANNOUNCEMENT] mobf 2.3.4 bugfix only release
21:18	Peacock	[ANNOUNCEMENT] going to the bathroom
21:18	sapier	where to download videoclip?
21:18	zsoltisawesome	Advertisment: Moontest is back to the same old grind! Please help at http://tinyurl.com/moontest
21:18	zsoltisawesome	sapier: LOL
21:18	sapier	I need an example for next times "ppl uploading crazy things" discussion
21:18	Megaf	Hi all
21:19	zsoltisawesome	hello Megaf at work
21:19	Megaf	Actually I'm at home now
21:19	zsoltisawesome	oh shit
21:19	Megaf	or, I'm just home
21:19	Peacock	Moontest - assless chaps for your character avatar
21:19	zsoltisawesome	HES AT HOME! EVERYONE RUN!
21:20	Megaf	You can run but you can not hide
21:20	Megaf	\o/ ¬o-
21:20	zsoltisawesome	shh, he'll find out we ate his pie
21:20	kahrl	sure we can, we just put a . in front of ourselves
21:20	* Megaf	uses ls -a
21:20	Peacock	resistance is futile
21:21	Megaf	I don't know who you are, but I will find you and will get my pie back
21:21	zsoltisawesome	NEVAR
21:22	zsoltisawesome	I THROW IT IN THE SEWAR AFTAR I POOPED IT OUT
21:23	Calinou	hi quality Megaf
21:24	zsoltisawesome	lol
21:24	Megaf	Folks, does this means that remote_media is actually working? http://paste.debian.net/71666/
21:24	Megaf	VanessaE, Ping
21:24	sfan5	oh look.. another IS2 thread on 4chan
21:24	zsoltisawesome	lo quality Megaf
21:26	iqualfragile	zsoltisawesome: why would you shorten an url and then post it in irc?
21:26	zsoltisawesome	you mean the advert?
21:27	Calinou	Megaf, that's a old PC :o
21:27	zsoltisawesome	it was shortened a long time ago
21:27	Megaf	Calinou, What do you mean?
21:27	Calinou	the graphics card
21:27	ShadowNinja	Calinou: *poke*
21:28	Calinou	where?
21:28	ShadowNinja	Calinou: Did you get my message? (From ShadowBot)
21:29	Megaf	Calinou, and its onboard
21:29	Megaf	still get 60 FPS with shaders of
21:29	Calinou	I don't see it
21:29	Calinou	send it again
21:29	Megaf	drawtime 20
21:29	Calinou	Megaf, lspci | grep VGA
21:29	Calinou	paste the output of that command here
21:29	Megaf	And using the open source driver
21:30	Calinou	you are, yes
21:30	Calinou	surprising to see you have 60 FPS with radeon, on a 3.2 kernel
21:30	Megaf	Calinou, http://paste.debian.net/71669/
21:30	Calinou	newer kernels have much better performance
21:30	Megaf	Calinou, Debian + LXDE
21:30	Calinou	"lspci | grep VGA" returns just one line usually...
21:30	Calinou	still :P
21:30	Megaf	usually GNOME
21:31	Calinou	oh, that's a HD4200
21:31	Calinou	even more surprising
21:31	Megaf	Debian 7.3 is just fantastic
21:31	Calinou	...but old
21:31	Calinou	today, I installed Fedora 20 and Debian Testing in VirtualBoxes, to try them (with GNOME 3)
21:31	Calinou	GNOME 3 doesn't seem to be that bad if you get used to it
21:32	Megaf	Calinou, my CPU http://paste.debian.net/71670/
21:38	zsoltisawesome	!tell YourMom YOU SUCK
21:38	MinetestBot	zsoltisawesome: I'll pass that on when YourMom is around
21:39	MinetestBot	GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Handle LuaErrors in Lua -> C++ calls on LuaJIT 49cec3f782 2013-12-18T13:35:55-08:00 http://git.io/RTQa3A
21:41	Megaf	VanessaE, what are the biggest trees?
21:46	Calinou	zsoltisawesome, don't abuse the bot ;)
21:48	E4xoi	amd is awesome Calinou
21:48	E4xoi	deal-with-it \o/
21:48	zsoltisawesome	ok, fine
21:49	zsoltisawesome	E4xoi: 1 DOGE pls DRkinkQCHyJVDzrE1i9dDyyBMLutCxzijC
21:49	zsoltisawesome	one
21:49	E4xoi	sent
21:49	Calinou	E4xoi, sometimes it is
21:49	zsoltisawesome	ok
21:50	PilzAdam	bye
21:51	zsoltisawesome	that would be awesome
21:51	zsoltisawesome	you could mine coins while mining mese
21:51	zsoltisawesome	XD
21:53	MinetestBot	GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Add 'minetest.write_json' 1ed90c90c3 2013-12-18T13:46:53-08:00 http://git.io/wX4YSw
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21:54	zsoltisawesome	E4xoi: thx for the coin
21:54	E4xoi	lol
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21:56	zsoltisawesome	do you have any idea what this does: http://www.pmtocoins.com/
21:59	phantombeta	Hi
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22:12	hoodedice	Somebody kill me right now!
22:12	zsoltisawesome	why
22:12	zsoltisawesome	i will if you give me 10 dogecoins
22:12	hoodedice	Put someone else's PC PLUS Windows PLUS Limited Account PLUS an outdated firefox
22:13	hoodedice	dogecoins?
22:13	specing	wow very currency
22:13	zsoltisawesome	http://www.dogecoins.com
22:13	zsoltisawesome	indeed
22:13	zsoltisawesome	much cool
22:13	hoodedice	Hmm
22:13	hoodedice	That Site. Not Work
22:13	MinetestBot	GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Log guilty node name when allow_metadata_inventory_move/put/take fails ba8fa0bd42 2013-12-18T14:04:13-08:00 http://git.io/9i5E4w
22:14	zsoltisawesome	i may have typed wrng
22:14	zsoltisawesome	http://dogecoin.com/
22:14	zsoltisawesome	there
22:14	zsoltisawesome	its like a meme based bitcoin thing
22:15	hoodedice	real currency?
22:16	hoodedice	kaeza
22:16	zsoltisawesome	cryptocurrency
22:16	kaeza	hoodedice
22:16	zsoltisawesome	YourMom
22:16	hoodedice	You has Asha?
22:16	kaeza	yeah
22:16	hoodedice	*pfft*
22:16	hoodedice	Why?
22:16	hoodedice	You Indian?
22:16	kaeza	why not?
22:16	hoodedice	That phone is...
22:17	hoodedice	Lots of stuff
22:17	hoodedice	Get an N9 or Jolla instead
22:17	hoodedice	!g cryptocurrency
22:17	MinetestBot	hoodedice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptocurrency
22:17	hoodedice	Thank you, MinetestBot.
22:17	kaeza	>Lots of too stuff
22:17	kaeza	-too
22:18	kaeza	I suck at quoting
22:18	kaeza	anyway, I'm all ears
22:18	hoodedice	Lets start with it being an S40 phone
22:18	kaeza	or eyes rather
22:18	hoodedice	Plus, synaptic multi touch
22:18	hoodedice	Then, not many apps
22:18	kaeza	and?
22:18	hoodedice	Add that to the fact that it's a ripoff of the N9
22:19	kaeza	again, and?
22:19	hoodedice	And...
22:19	hoodedice	It's developed by enslaved Indians
22:19	kaeza	you failed to make a point
22:19	kaeza	with that, I leave
22:19	zsoltisawesome	lol
22:20	hoodedice	It's not Android or iOS
22:20	hoodedice	And it's darned cheap and you could get an android for the same price
22:20	kaeza	try harder
22:21	hoodedice	zsoltisawesome: "Some have expressed concern that the smaller cryptocurrencies are pump and dump schemes" --wikipedia
22:21	hoodedice	kaeza: I had that phone
22:21	zsoltisawesome	lol
22:21	hoodedice	I also had a Nokia C5-03, and a 5130
22:21	hoodedice	Both were MUCH better.
22:21	zsoltisawesome	you really dont use them, you just get them for the lulz
22:21	hoodedice	Navigation, net speed (Not the 5130)
22:22	hoodedice	I used each for 2 YEARS!
22:22	hoodedice	kaeza, what do you like about the 308?
22:23	kaeza	that it didn't cost a penny
22:23	hoodedice	If it's the UI, get the N9 or the Jolla
22:23	hoodedice	You get some androids for the same price.
22:23	kaeza	plus I don't know what's this all about
22:24	hoodedice	??
22:24	* kaeza	waves his ~12 years old Nokia 1100 around
22:24	hoodedice	lol
22:25	* zsoltisawesome	wants Dogecoins, but is incapable of mining them right now
22:26	* kaeza	throws it at hoodedice
22:26	hoodedice	One of our Core Devs is from the Permian age
22:26	kaeza	*the channel breaks apart*
22:26	* hoodedice	cracks
22:26	hoodedice	zsoltisawesome: Smells like scam spirit
22:26	zsoltisawesome	lol
22:26	zsoltisawesome	why?
22:27	zsoltisawesome	you dont put money into it
22:27	hoodedice	No.
22:27	hoodedice	But the money HAS value
22:27	zsoltisawesome	yes
22:27	hoodedice	So Scam.
22:27	hoodedice	Much hate.
22:28	hoodedice	VanessaE
22:29	zsoltisawesome	!rainbow dash
22:29	MinetestBot	2da4s7h
22:30	hoodedice	YAAY
22:31	zsoltisawesome	E4xoi
22:31	E4xoi	zsoltisawesome: what
22:31	E4xoi	hoodedice: it is funny though
22:31	zsoltisawesome	have you made a minetest mod?
22:31	zsoltisawesome	E4xoi: indeed
22:31	hoodedice	what is?
22:32	E4xoi	dogecoin
22:32	zsoltisawesome	dogecoins
22:32	E4xoi	zsoltisawesome: only for personal usage
22:32	zsoltisawesome	cool
22:32	zsoltisawesome	do you wanna help with http://www.tinyurl.com/moontest
22:33	hoodedice	Much funny. Still Scam.
22:36	zsoltisawesome	hoodedice: much bullshit, many funny
22:37	E4xoi	so currency wow
22:37	E4xoi	Est. Shares  510762 (done: 343.96%)
22:37	E4xoi	Pool Valid  1756805
22:37	E4xoi	:(
22:37	Megaf	bah, my server was full of players
22:37	Megaf	then it used too much ram
22:37	Megaf	then it got killed
22:38	Megaf	Now its empty
22:38	Megaf	how sad is that
22:38	zsoltisawesome	very
22:38	kaeza	OOM ate ur prozess OOMNOMNOMNOM
22:38	zsoltisawesome	</sarcasm>
22:39	E4xoi	very sad much players wow
22:39	E4xoi	so minetest
22:39	E4xoi	DOGE :D
22:39	zsoltisawesome	linux nerds, do i configure compile install or configure install compile?
22:40	E4xoi	configure compile install
22:40	E4xoi	also no u
22:40	zsoltisawesome	what
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22:44	zsoltisawesome	ugh
22:44	zsoltisawesome	i cant compile cgminer
22:44	zsoltisawesome	this is many bad
22:44	E4xoi	xD
22:44	E4xoi	use cpuminer
22:45	zsoltisawesome	thx
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22:48	zsoltisawesome	so to solo mine i do: ./minerd --url http://127.0.0.1:9332 --userpass user:password --threads 8?
22:48	zsoltisawesome	i bet you i will crash
22:49	E4xoi	--threads 8? wat
22:49	E4xoi	also, no
22:49	E4xoi	don't do solo mining
22:49	E4xoi	pool mining is the way to go
22:49	zsoltisawesome	it too complicated
22:50	E4xoi	very complicated much profit
22:56	zsoltisawesome	hell, if i could i would do those damn math problems my self
22:57	rambomedic	>mining without an asic >profit
22:57	zsoltisawesome	what?
22:57	rambomedic	you might as well be mining gold with a stick
22:57	zsoltisawesome	ah
22:57	zsoltisawesome	hey!
22:57	rambomedic	at this point, if you want in on bitcoin, just buy some when the price drops like crazy
22:58	zsoltisawesome	lol, i had a funny idea
22:58	kahrl	nobody says you have to mine on your own equipment
22:58	zsoltisawesome	true
22:58	kahrl	just use a botnet
22:58	zsoltisawesome	can you mine with rpi's?
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22:59	rambomedic	zsoltisawesome, I heard they have pretty strong gpu's so I'm sure if you have a large cluster it could work well
22:59	zsoltisawesome	awesome
22:59	E4xoi	lol kahrl
22:59	zsoltisawesome	cause im getting like 10 for xmas
22:59	E4xoi	rambomedic: we're talking about dogecoin
23:00	rambomedic	oh lol
23:00	E4xoi	much profit
23:00	zsoltisawesome	indeed
23:00	E4xoi	so currency
23:00	E4xoi	asics are for bitcoin mining
23:00	rambomedic	so future
23:00	zsoltisawesome	very doge
23:00	E4xoi	dogecoin uses scrypt
23:00	E4xoi	= gpu?
23:00	E4xoi	anyway, even with my gpu and my cpu i couldn't get over 70kh/s i think
23:01	E4xoi	that is why i ask for donations at DBbcvuurxAZuu33tV4JnJX2S8DUvHrXZED
23:01	zsoltisawesome	hey! idea
23:01	zsoltisawesome	sell lemonage for dogecoins
23:01	zsoltisawesome	s/age/ade
23:02	E4xoi	lol
23:02	kaeza	lemonage for dodecoins
23:02	E4xoi	lemodoge
23:02	zsoltisawesome	lol
23:02	zsoltisawesome	kaeza: what do you think?
23:03	kaeza	meh
23:03	zsoltisawesome	rambomedic: how bout you
23:03	hoodedice	wut?
23:03	rambomedic	i fink dat we shuold geit it bek 2gether
23:03	rambomedic	zsoltrawesome
23:04	zsoltisawesome	why does you "fink" that
23:05	zsoltisawesome	i wish i could be paid in dogecoins
23:06	zsoltisawesome	i get a lousy salery $3/hr but that like 8014.11510 DOGE an hour
23:07	hoodedice	$3/hr? What do you do?
23:07	zsoltisawesome	yardwork
23:07	zsoltisawesome	cut down trees and shit
23:07	iqualfragile	wtf? 3$
23:08	iqualfragile	what are you? poor?
23:08	zsoltisawesome	lol
23:08	iqualfragile	and you get like 5€ if you do "yardwork"+ people usualy give you +30%
23:08	iqualfragile	as tip
23:09	iqualfragile	that is: if you are a child
23:09	iqualfragile	well, it has to be said that you get ~400€ anyways
23:09	zsoltisawesome	iqualfragile: no, not poor, under 18
23:09	iqualfragile	see above
23:09	kaeza	eh
23:09	zsoltisawesome	europeans...
23:09	zsoltisawesome	lol
23:10	iqualfragile	i got a wage of ~20€ for working even when i was u18 because i set up and administrated servers and networks
23:10	iqualfragile	bcz i g07 $k1lz
23:10	zsoltisawesome	:|
23:10	zsoltisawesome	and you are implying I dont?
23:11	iqualfragile	(that ~400 anywas is what we call harz4, its support money for people who had no job for a long time)
23:11	zsoltisawesome	latter
23:12	iqualfragile	he is under8 b8 :D
23:12	zsoltisawesome	:|
23:12	zsoltisawesome	quit with you idiotic leet
23:13	zsoltisawesome	it hurts my brain to a level that only physical pain can inflict
23:13	hoodedice	lolwut is going on here?
23:14	zsoltisawesome	people making fun of me for a low salary
23:14	zsoltisawesome	i gtg in like 3 min
23:14	hoodedice	They will\
23:14	iqualfragile	hoodedice: y0ur 1337 13v3l i5 2l0w
23:14	hoodedice	N0 71$ n07
23:15	iqualfragile	$0rry
23:15	hoodedice	My bro made $30/hr
23:15	zsoltisawesome	your mom's level is too low
23:15	hoodedice	Cashier at a petrol pump
23:15	zsoltisawesome	BRITISH
23:16	iqualfragile	zsoltisawesome: yo mamas blood pressure is too high, she is overweight
23:16	hoodedice	-.-
23:16	zsoltisawesome	lol
23:17	hoodedice	My cousin came in
23:17	hoodedice	Showed him the minetest.net frontpage
23:17	zsoltisawesome	iqualfragile: its funny how i have to type i-q to autohighlight you, you dont seem to be all that smart
23:17	hoodedice	Asked him what is that?
23:17	hoodedice	(Guess what he said)
23:17	zsoltisawesome	minecraft
23:17	zsoltisawesome	XD
23:17	hoodedice	XD
23:18	hoodedice	'Murica
23:18	iqualfragile	zsoltisawesome: actualy i am, but i like making fun of peopble from while to while
23:18	zsoltisawesome	iqualfragile: thats understandable
23:18	iqualfragile	and tonight i chose you, feel honored
23:18	MinetestBot	GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Don't throw a error when writing JSON fails e1f9ba435f 2013-12-18T15:18:43-08:00 http://git.io/AdnpXQ
23:19	zsoltisawesome	tonight? its only 14:19
23:19	iqualfragile	zsoltisawesome: germany, its 00:21 around here
23:19	hoodedice	Thank you ShadowNinja
23:20	zsoltisawesome	gotta bail see you maybe tomaorroooooooow
23:20	zsoltisawesome	BAI
23:20	zsoltisawesome	HAVE SO DOGES
23:20	iqualfragile	gtfo
23:21	Megaf	can you please do something so the server doesnt crashes when a stupid mod attempts to index a nill value http://paste.debian.net/71692/
23:21	hoodedice	=D
23:22	iqualfragile	Megaf: its simple, fix mod
23:22	Megaf	VanessaE, much of the crashes is because of your mods =/
23:24	hoodedice	VanessaE is not on atm
23:25	hoodedice	Megaf, remember that your mods are loaded from someone else's PC
23:26	hoodedice	So download speed for mods depends on your bandwidth, your peer's bandwidth, geographic position and Schrodinger's cat
23:27	hoodedice	Because I DK
23:27	hoodedice	IDK lol
23:28	hoodedice	Both.\
23:28	hoodedice	Both.
23:28	hoodedice	Both.
23:28	hoodedice	Cheese.
23:29	hoodedice	Ham is pork
23:30	hoodedice	Ham is pork. http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8hs7p8nrr1rqkc6to1_1280.jpg
23:30	hoodedice	I like cheese
23:31	hoodedice	Megaf!
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23:44	rambomedic	first-time connection to a server takes ages
23:44	rambomedic	I
23:44	rambomedic	I've been waiting like 1 whole minute already
23:44	rambomedic	It should be instantaneous
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23:44	kaeza	lucky!
23:46	kaeza	...unless that was sarcasm, in which case ignore me
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