IRC log for #minetest, 2013-12-11

Time	Nick	Message
00:04	Megaf	VanessaE, ShadowNinja, sfan5, kaeza!!
00:04	Megaf	fixed!
00:04	Megaf	im not crashing anymore
00:04	ShadowNinja	Megaf: Great!
00:04	Megaf	using the irrlich 1.8.1 done the trick
00:05	VanessaE	yay!
00:13	Megaf	does that means that minetest has nothing to do with that bug?
00:14	VanessaE	hrd to say for sure
00:14	Megaf	VanessaE, actually, Im using the stable branch too now
00:14	VanessaE	it's possible irrlicht is returning something from the chat window calls that minetest can't deal with
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01:18	Megaf	Good night
01:18	Megaf	thanks VanessaE ShadowNinja kaeza
01:18	VanessaE	sure thing
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01:53	RavonTUS	Greeting
02:02	harrison	http://youtu.be/z9AB_IhOwKY
02:05	VanessaE	local backdir = minetest.facedir_to_dir(node.param2)
02:06	VanessaE	what's facedir_to_dir() supposed to return if you feed it a nil?
02:25	ShadowNinja	^ [Solved]
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02:32	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: see link in -dev
02:32	VanessaE	how is it possible that a nil is getting through that code to line 37?
02:32	VanessaE	...t/games/vanessae_game/mods/pipeworks/autoplace_tubes.lua:37: attempt to index local 'backdir'
02:32	VanessaE	' (a nil value)
02:32	VanessaE	facedir_to_dir() is returning nil even when fed non-nil inpu
02:33	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: Your indentation is messed up.
02:33	VanessaE	input
02:33	VanessaE	it's 4-space indentation in my editor, github is just making a mess of it.
02:34	VanessaE	except...someone sisn't use tabs here.
02:34	VanessaE	didn't*
02:34	VanessaE	I'll fix it later
02:34	ShadowNinja	if not (type(node.param2) == "nmber" and node.param2 > 0 and node.param2 < 16<or whatever the max is>)
02:34	ShadowNinja	number*
02:35	VanessaE	23.
02:35	VanessaE	ok
02:35	VanessaE	I'll do that
02:37	VanessaE	http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6554369/
02:37	VanessaE	like so?
02:37	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: Yep.
02:38	* VanessaE	commits it.
02:38	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: Wait.
02:38	* VanessaE	DOESN'T commit it :P
02:38	VanessaE	it must be some non-pipeworks node using the api badly maybe
02:38	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: You don't need to check if node.param2 exists if you do the type check.
02:38	VanessaE	true
02:38	VanessaE	good point
02:39	VanessaE	fixed.
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02:48	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: that last fix seems to have done it.
02:49	ShadowNinja	Good. Odd that someone was passing a non-number value.
02:50	VanessaE	maybe someone's trying to pass a table or something shrug
03:10	lordcirth	What is moreblocks:trap_glass supposed to do? All I see is mese-coloured glass. Where's the "trap" part?
03:18	VanessaE	you can pass through it
03:18	VanessaE	the idea is that it can be used to make traps in floors but it's hardly hidden
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03:23	Nomeneiste	Good evening, do we have any kind of ETA (hard or soft) on the Vanessa Survival server outage? I am sure that a significant amount of work is being done (thank you!), and am just looking for a reasonable estimation. :-)
03:23	VanessaE	Nomeneiste: mods crashing a lot today
03:23	VanessaE	I'm trying to sort it now
03:25	Nomeneiste	Very good, VanessaE. Thank you for the update.
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03:45	phantombeta	Hi!
03:45	VanessaE	hi
03:47	phantombeta	It has been such a long time since I last played minetest...
03:47	Exio4	same here!
03:48	phantombeta	I don't even remember when I last played minetest...
03:48	phantombeta	IIRC it was last year
03:49	VanessaE	well we're still here
03:49	VanessaE	and still somewhat healthy :)
03:58	phantombeta	Halp
03:58	phantombeta	In the "new world" window there's 5 mapgens to choose from...
03:58	phantombeta	what should I use?
04:01	phantombeta	Oh well, nevermind
04:02	VanessaE	use v6
04:03	VanessaE	it's the standard one
04:04	phantombeta	What's the difference between the mapgens?
04:05	phantombeta	e-e
04:05	phantombeta	I made a world some seconds ago, I think I used v7...
04:05	phantombeta	I spawned in a island made out of stone.
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04:06	VanessaE	just different algorithms
04:06	VanessaE	indev is where a lot of development is done
04:06	VanessaE	v7 is a sort of next gen map generator
04:07	VanessaE	flat should be obvious
04:07	VanessaE	singlenode is for when you want lua to do all the work
04:07	VanessaE	v6 is the standard one
04:07	VanessaE	and I think there's a math-based one that's for fractal-based landscapes
04:10	phantombeta	heh, math generates some crazy shapes...
04:20	VanessaE	yup
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04:57	Nomeneiste	Good evening, how goes the epic struggle for the fate of the VanessaE Survival World? Are the valient developers winning in this mighty battle?
04:58	* NekoGloop	hibernates on the couch
05:01	VanessaE	my world is back up now
05:01	VanessaE	it was a transitional bug, seems to be fixed now
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05:14	Exio4	someone should make mods that make the math mapgen somewhat "survival playable"
05:14	Exio4	that would be fun to play
05:16	xiong	Okay, I ran a server successfully with no minetest.conf file at all. Worked surprisingly well, considering. Now I have a very small file and when I join with a client, my player is unable to punch a tree or dig dirt with a bare hand. The action on left-click is rather like that of a hoe: one movement then nothing, even if the mouse button is held. What does this smell like?
05:17	xiong	This seems to me to be a lack of interact.
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05:22	NekoGloop	Exio4, get glooptest, use treasure chests
05:23	xiong	Yes, that was it.
05:24	xiong	Exio4, you're touching on an interesting point. What is it that you find unplayable?
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05:44	xiong	Okay, the thing is up and publicly available. Testing-only server, no guarantees. mt103
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06:27	phantombeta	ummm
06:28	phantombeta	How do I activate fly? it says I don't have fly privilege...
06:30	phantombeta	nvm
06:40	phantombeta	How many blocks is a node length?
06:41	VanessaE	a "node" is a single cube
06:41	VanessaE	and is generally taken to be 1m in size
06:41	VanessaE	a "block" or "map block" is 16x16x16 nodes/meters
06:41	VanessaE	a "chunk" unofficially means 5x5x5 mapblocks or 80x80x80 nodes.
06:42	phantombeta	Hmmmm
06:42	VanessaE	at least in minetest
06:42	VanessaE	in minecraft these terms may have a different meaning
06:43	phantombeta	So mese ore starts spawning 64 blocks below sea level?
06:43	VanessaE	64 meters yeah (but I thought it was 128 meters?)
06:44	phantombeta	the wiki says "Mese ore starts appearing from below 64 node lengths below sea level and the clusters will become larger from below 256 node lengths below sea level.".
06:45	VanessaE	checks
06:45	VanessaE	yep, you're right
06:45	VanessaE	starts at -64, goes down to -255
06:45	VanessaE	well the initial layer does
06:46	VanessaE	the amounts change as you get deeper
06:46	VanessaE	whole blocks start showing up at -1024
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06:49	phantombeta	Since I'm kinda dumb, where sea level starts? the bottom of the sea? the surface?
06:49	VanessaE	the surface I think
06:49	VanessaE	or rather, half a meter below it
06:49	VanessaE	the dead center of a node is the zero position for that node
06:49	phantombeta	Uhhh
06:50	phantombeta	one meter is one block,right?
06:50	VanessaE	one node, yes
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06:53	phantombeta	the wiki page for ores says "found at Y", shouldn't it be Z?
06:53	VanessaE	nope.
06:53	phantombeta	e-e
06:54	VanessaE	X and Z are the horizontal coords, Y is vertical
06:54	hoodedice	z is horz
06:54	hoodedice	Damn. ninja'd
06:54	VanessaE	too slow :)
06:54	phantombeta	e-e e-e e-e
06:54	hoodedice	crappy keyboard. Should be using my android to type...
06:54	hoodedice	Anyway
06:55	hoodedice	3+ questions. RAPID FIRE!
06:55	phantombeta	People on the zandronum IRC network have been telling me that Z is always vertical
06:55	hoodedice	Dafuq is nodeboxes?
06:55	hoodedice	Z may be vert for that game engine
06:57	phantombeta	I'll slap everyone who told me that Z is always vertical and that anything that doesn't use Z as vertical is wrong e-e
06:57	hoodedice	Go ahead,
06:58	hoodedice	Get some of them on this channel
06:58	hoodedice	We'll have an IRC war =D
06:58	phantombeta	most of them probably don't even know freenode
06:58	hoodedice	So. Much. Spam. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7973
06:59	hoodedice	VanessaE: there?
06:59	phantombeta	and I can't actually do that, or they will keep bitching that Z is always vertical in everything...
07:03	hoodedice	brb
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07:22	VanessaE	I am now
07:22	VanessaE	had to argue with husband's box
07:22	VanessaE	linux at its finest...not
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07:35	thexyz	weren't you migrating to fm?
07:35	VanessaE	not yet
07:36	VanessaE	soon though
07:36	VanessaE	if I ever find a moment free and am not too tired to avoid boneheaded mistakes :-/
07:39	VanessaE	I did however clone and build it on the VPS just to have it ready
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08:02	hoodedice	back. FINALLY!
08:02	hoodedice	VanessaE: You migrating to FM too?
08:02	VanessaE	soon yes
08:02	hoodedice	=/
08:02	hoodedice	Anyway
08:02	hoodedice	1. Dafuq are nodeboxes?
08:03	VanessaE	unless the MT devs get their heads out of their asses and fix the lag and performance issues :)
08:03	VanessaE	nodeboxes are very simple boxy models
08:03	us{0gb	What is "FM"?
08:03	hoodedice	Freeminer
08:03	VanessaE	Freeminer
08:03	hoodedice	Ninja'd XD
08:03	VanessaE	you specify two sets of coordinates to create a little rectilinear box
08:04	hoodedice	Are nodeboxes those black outlines outside nodes?
08:05	VanessaE	multiple such boxes cna be strung together to create simple shapes, like what pipeworks uses
08:05	VanessaE	naw, that's a selection box
08:05	VanessaE	though the format of those is similar
08:06	hoodedice	Do we have any examples of what exactly a nodebox is?
08:07	VanessaE	look at some of Homedecor's objects
08:07	VanessaE	like the signs, tables, nightstands
08:07	us{0gb	Also look at stairs and slabs.
08:07	hoodedice	Ok, lets take the sofa
08:07	VanessaE	those all use nodeboxes
08:07	VanessaE	yes, stairs and slabs too
08:07	hoodedice	Ok stairs
08:07	us{0gb	And doors.
08:07	VanessaE	yep
08:07	hoodedice	So how exactly did you go about making stairs?
08:08	VanessaE	how do you mean?
08:08	us{0gb	Look at the source code. It's a list of box coordinates.
08:08	hoodedice	Did you start with a blender mesh?
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08:08	hoodedice	That code, you wrote it by hand?
08:08	VanessaE	oh, no
08:08	VanessaE	purely text
08:09	VanessaE	node_box = { type = "fixed", fixed = {{ x1, y1, z1, x2, y2, z2 }, { x1, y1, z1, x2, y2, z2 }, { x1, y1, z1, x2, y2, z2 }, ...} }
08:09	VanessaE	for as many { x1, y1, z1, x2, y2, z2 } as you want to include
08:09	VanessaE	each { x1, y1, z1, x2, y2, z2 } specifies one box
08:10	VanessaE	once you assemble your model, you texture by projecting up to six textures onto the model as if the whole thing were just a simple cube
08:10	hoodedice	'by hand' I meant 'from scratch'
08:10	VanessaE	yep
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08:10	VanessaE	the "oh no" was directed at the "blender" comment
08:12	hoodedice	OK, stopping the bush beating, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7102
08:12	VanessaE	rubenwardy wrote a nodebox editor/designer that makes it much easier, btw
08:13	VanessaE	but most nodeboxes are coded by hand
08:13	hoodedice	'coded by hand'? You guys are LEGENDS!
08:13	VanessaE	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2840
08:13	VanessaE	yep.
08:13	VanessaE	^^^ this will make it much easier, it'll export a nodebox to text that you can then directly include in a node def
08:14	hoodedice	But I want to make something complex, like the car thing
08:15	VanessaE	youcan't.
08:15	VanessaE	nodeboxes can't be textured that finely.
08:15	VanessaE	you can only design the raw 3d model and then project the textures onto it from the outside once it's complete
08:15	VanessaE	individual boxes can't be textured
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08:17	VanessaE	hey taoki
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08:20	hoodedice	Testures can be done with later
08:20	VanessaE	yes
08:20	hoodedice	Like what Melkor did.
08:20	hoodedice	So blending first
08:21	VanessaE	well if you're gonna make entities yeah
08:21	hoodedice	Then exporting to nodeboxes
08:21	hoodedice	Then writing (copying) the init.lua
08:21	VanessaE	no
08:21	VanessaE	don't use blender for that
08:21	VanessaE	that's way overkill
08:21	hoodedice	Ok.
08:21	VanessaE	use rubenwardy's nodebox editor
08:21	hoodedice	That's too underkill... or something.
08:22	hoodedice	I'll give it a shot though.
08:22	VanessaE	heh
08:22	VanessaE	no, underkill would be using vi to make them :D
08:22	hoodedice	vi?
08:22	hoodedice	That thing where keyboard commands are used
08:22	* us{0gb	shutters at the thought of vi
08:22	VanessaE	a text editor that pretends to be a command line
08:22	hoodedice	in place of arrow keys?
08:23	VanessaE	could be worse....could be emacs (a text editor that pretends to be an OS)
08:23	hoodedice	Ooookay. This thing looks weird.
08:23	us{0gb	I have no experience with emacs, but I know vi could be worse. Have you tried ed?
08:23	hoodedice	Why am I limited to a space of one normal node?
08:24	VanessaE	you aren't.
08:24	VanessaE	at least not in practice
08:24	VanessaE	but the issue is that textures will be repeated.
08:24	VanessaE	they'll tile
08:24	VanessaE	and then not always reliably
08:24	VanessaE	they'll tile fine vertically, but on some machines they won't tile properly horizontally
08:24	VanessaE	and they won't stretch, period.
08:24	us{0gb	Interesting.
08:25	VanessaE	so it's better to stay within one node, and make multiple separate nodes if you need something bigger
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08:27	hoodedice_	CURSE EXTENSION CABLES!
08:28	VanessaE	?
08:28	hoodedice_	Sister stepped on the power cable.
08:28	VanessaE	oops
08:28	VanessaE	time to buy a UPS.
08:28	hoodedice_	Switched off PC.
08:28	hoodedice_	UPS? That thing is like, so 1880
08:29	VanessaE	Uninterruptable Power Supply
08:29	VanessaE	a battery back-up about the size of a briefcase.
08:29	hoodedice_	I use that
08:29	VanessaE	oh ok
08:29	hoodedice_	In india.
08:29	hoodedice_	Not in modern countries
08:29	VanessaE	eh?
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08:30	hoodedice	Where we have Uninterrupted Power Supply XD
08:30	hoodedice	(UAE)
08:31	hoodedice	What does this guy mean: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=113000#p113000
08:34	hoodedice	Silence
08:37	VanessaE	sorry, had to step away
08:38	VanessaE	yeah,
08:38	VanessaE	see, I don't know sproxel
08:38	VanessaE	but ruben's program chooses the simplest way to make a nodebox because you design the actual shapes in the editor
08:39	VanessaE	whereas I guess sproxel you are converting from some foreign format
08:39	hoodedice	But we do have a plugin for that
08:39	hoodedice	My model might be complex
08:39	VanessaE	where he speaks of 2x2x2, 16x16x16, etc he means measures of pixels
08:39	hoodedice	Wait.
08:40	VanessaE	what plugin?
08:40	hoodedice	The one in the link
08:40	hoodedice	python code to change the model into a nodebox
08:40	VanessaE	no, that's just a converter.
08:40	hoodedice	hmm
08:40	VanessaE	don't use it, it clearly produces inferior results
08:41	hoodedice	OK. Now why I dislike ruben's thing is:
08:41	hoodedice	1. It limits me to size = 1 nodebox
08:41	VanessaE	you want that.
08:42	VanessaE	nodeboxes larger than a whole node are glitchy.
08:42	hoodedice	2. I have to make at least 10+ nodeboxes to get a 'part' of what I want
08:42	hoodedice	That glitch wasn't fixed yet?
08:42	VanessaE	nope.
08:42	VanessaE	and it never will be
08:42	hoodedice	(lol)
08:42	VanessaE	for 2., you'll have to draw a lot more than that with sproxel/whatever it uses for the editor
08:43	hoodedice	But webdesigner's car is not 'THAT' glitchy
08:43	VanessaE	webdesigner's car is an entity
08:43	VanessaE	not a nodebox
08:43	VanessaE	it was done with blender or something similar
08:43	hoodedice	But he has all that nodebox code in it
08:43	hoodedice	I was gonna make an entity all along
08:44	hoodedice	And I feel stupid
08:44	VanessaE	he has nodebox code in the streets mod for things like stairs, slabs, signs, and the like
08:44	VanessaE	the car is an entity
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08:44	VanessaE	hey rubem
08:44	VanessaE	ruben*
08:44	hoodedice	So enities...
08:44	rubenwardy	!up 95.84.168.231
08:44	VanessaE	we were just talking about you ;)
08:44	MinetestBot	95.84.168.231:30000 seems to be down
08:44	rubenwardy	Hi!
08:44	hoodedice	They don't need no nodeboxes?
08:44	hoodedice	Yo rubenwardy
08:44	VanessaE	nope.
08:45	VanessaE	they do not.
08:45	VanessaE	they use native model files
08:45	hoodedice	And how do I get these 'native model files'?
08:45	VanessaE	you create them in blender
08:46	rubenwardy	The new nodebox editor I am working on supports unlimited nodeboxes (it uses a linked list rather than an array)
08:46	VanessaE	save as .b3d, .obj, .x, etc.
08:46	VanessaE	minetest can use any format irrlicht supports
08:46	rubenwardy	Also, the old version has a setting under edit to make nodeboxes bigger than a node ("limiting")
08:47	hoodedice	All this discussion.
08:47	hoodedice	Is a result of my stupidity. I humbly apologize
08:47	rubenwardy	It's fine
08:47	VanessaE	ignorance.
08:47	rubenwardy	I like feed back
08:47	VanessaE	not stupidity.
08:47	hoodedice	Of course darn entities are different than nodes XD
08:47	VanessaE	ignorance is forgivable by way of simply learning.
08:47	VanessaE	which is what you are attempting to do.
08:48	VanessaE	stupidity isn't :)
08:48	hoodedice	hmm
08:49	hoodedice	Since rubenwardy's app is used to only make nodeboxes, I guess it is a good app for that
08:49	VanessaE	yepo
08:49	hoodedice	Entities would obviously be more complex blah blah blah
08:49	VanessaE	use it for nodeboxes, blender for models for entities, and gimp for textures.
08:49	VanessaE	perfect combination :)
08:49	rubenwardy	A future feature of the nodebox editor will be that you can link nodes together, and code is automatically generated generated to make them spawn together.
08:49	hoodedice	What if I say.... Paint Dot Net?
08:49	VanessaE	I like that, ruben, that's a good idea
08:50	VanessaE	hoodedice: I'd say "bite your tongue, heretic"
08:50	VanessaE	:)
08:50	rubenwardy	Or make a node bigger than a node size, and it splits it up into multiple nodes and links them together
08:52	hoodedice	I'm done here. Thanks a lot peeps. Later.
08:52	VanessaE	ight
08:52	VanessaE	night
08:52	VanessaE	missed.
08:55	rubenwardy	I am currently working on UI code :P
08:55	rubenwardy	NOT fun with irrlicht
08:55	VanessaE	cool
09:07	VanessaE	ok, I'm off for the night.
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09:28	JamesTait	Good morning all; happy Mountain Day! :-D
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09:39	Megaf	VanessaE, Hi, how do I stop my server now?
09:45	Megaf	If I started my server with "while true; do sleep 5; ./minetestserver ; done", then, how do I stop it?
09:48	JamesTait	Megaf, I guess you'd need to interrupt that loop; either Ctrl-C if it's running in your current console, or kill the shell process that's running the loop.
09:48	Megaf	ctrl c did not work
09:49	JamesTait	Megaf, you could set it up to run via init or upstart, which handles this stuff more nicely.
09:49	zash	Kill the shell under running the loop?
09:49	Megaf	JamesTait, How?
09:50	JamesTait	Megaf, what distro are you running this on?
09:50	Megaf	!up megaf.co.vu 30003
09:50	MinetestBot	megaf.co.vu:30003 seems to be down
09:50	Megaf	cool
09:50	Megaf	JamesTait, Debian
09:53	zash	Megaf: There's usually an example init script in /etc/init.d/skeleton
09:53	JamesTait	Megaf, do you know if that's using upstart? I have a minetestserver config for upstart, but not for sysvinit or whatever the other one is (systemd?)
09:54	Megaf	JamesTait, I think zash said what I need
09:54	Megaf	thank you both
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10:51	proller	https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Vicono+Inc.
10:53	VanessaE	"We're sorry, the requested URL was not found on this server"
10:53	proller	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=121596#p121596
10:55	VanessaE	shakes head
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11:11	Megaf	http://megaf.co.vu/index.php/2013/12/11/hi-there-now-its-910-111213/
11:11	Megaf	at least in GMT -2
11:12	VanessaE	you missed a golden opportunity an hour before.
11:12	VanessaE	08:09:10 11/12/13.
11:13	VanessaE	:)
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11:21	Megaf	nah
11:21	Megaf	difficult to sync seconds
11:21	Megaf	ShadowNinja, ping
11:21	VanessaE	heh
11:22	VanessaE	eBayers seem to be pretty good at it :P
11:22	Megaf	heh
11:22	thexyz	ebay?
11:22	Megaf	folks, I need a good way to protect land
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11:22	thexyz	it raises your bid automatically, doesn't it?
11:23	Megaf	it would be cool something like I punch two corners in diagonal and it protect that area
11:23	VanessaE	it does, but some people still prefer the snipe method too
11:23	Megaf	Something like /protect1 PlayerName punch and then /protect2 PlayerName punch
11:24	Megaf	or, //pos1 then //pos2 (as in World Edit) and then //set_owner PlayerName
11:24	VanessaE	Megaf: /area_pos set
11:24	VanessaE	in the areas mod.
11:24	thexyz	what sucks is that goods can't teleport to russia instantly
11:24	Megaf	VanessaE, yesm this one? https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas
11:24	VanessaE	yup
11:24	thexyz	and instead they shall be processed by a monster russian post is
11:24	Megaf	VanessaE, but it says
11:25	Megaf	To protect an area you must first set the corner positions of the area. In order to set the corner positions you run: 1. "/area_pos set" punch the two border nodes. 2. "/area_pos set1/2" punch only the first or second border node. 3. "/area_pos1/2" set position one or two to your current position. 4. "/area_pos1/2 X Y Z" set position one or two to the specified coordinates.
11:25	Megaf	4 steps
11:25	VanessaE	Megaf: no.
11:25	Megaf	aint nobody got time fo dat
11:25	VanessaE	/area_pos set -- punch the corners. /protect <description>
11:25	thexyz	which used to route everything through moscow, ignoring shortest paths and hard shit like this
11:26	VanessaE	shadow's text sorta makes it sound more complicated
11:26	VanessaE	thexyz: sounds like the post here, too
11:26	VanessaE	stuff might route through new york, taking it 200-300 km out of the way of a direct route from wherever to here
11:27	VanessaE	or it might just come here
11:27	VanessaE	it seems random, but if you ask the powers that be, they'll say they have a system, reasons.
11:27	VanessaE	bleh
11:28	Megaf	VanessaE, You mean punching like in World Edit?
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11:28	VanessaE	yup
11:29	VanessaE	I use that method occasionally
11:29	VanessaE	/area_pos set ---- punch ---- punch ---- /set_owner ---- done.
11:29	VanessaE	(for you, /protect for the last step if you aren't the admin)
11:29	reactor	o/
11:29	thexyz	VanessaE: well the problem with russia is that it's big
11:30	VanessaE	I'll grant you that, it IS quite huge
11:30	Megaf	VanessaE, ok
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11:30	VanessaE	but it's also quite empty, surely most of the population is gathered near the larger cities?
11:30	VanessaE	hi reactor
11:31	reactor	Russia is sparse, yes.
11:31	reactor	If you're going to conquer it, you should count its size and sparsity.
11:31	VanessaE	hm, mostly toward the western end, about as I figured
11:32	reactor	Yes. If you conquer the European part, the rest is easy-peasy.
11:32	VanessaE	still, fucking huge country
11:33	Megaf	VanessaE, does ShadowNinja has a website or something?
11:33	VanessaE	idk if he does or not
11:33	VanessaE	no doubt if he does, he's already shown it to me once before and I've just forgotten :)
11:33	Megaf	I'm adding hist github page hten
11:33	Megaf	then
11:33	Megaf	(to a blog post about areas)
11:35	VanessaE	ok, I'm gonna give sleep another try
11:36	VanessaE	Sleep, thou dost evade me as the darkness evades the morning sun.
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11:36	VanessaE	or something.
11:36	VanessaE	ok, enough waxing poetic...I'm gonna start sounding like OldCoder soon :D
11:36	VanessaE	night all
11:38	reactor	Waxing?
11:39	reactor	Poetic is quite hairy, yes.
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12:03	Megaf	VanessaE, do you still here?
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12:21	Krock	hi
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12:25	Megaf	can anyone join my server to help me test the areas mod please?
12:25	Megaf	!up megaf.co.vu 30003
12:25	MinetestBot	megaf.co.vu:30003 seems to be down
12:25	Megaf	That's a lie
12:25	Megaf	!up megaf.co.vu 30003
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12:28	Megaf	Krock, Thanks, what name are you using?
12:28	Krock	Nobody
12:28	reactor	Nogroup
12:31	Megaf	Krock, I shut the server down
12:31	Megaf	thanks
12:31	Krock	i saw
12:31	Megaf	folks, how can I revoke the interact priv from everyone?
12:32	reactor	Look at the config.
12:32	reactor	default_privs
12:32	reactor	or privs_default
12:32	reactor	Or you mean, from everyone registered?
12:32	Megaf	yep
12:32	reactor	Well, this might require some sed.
12:32	Megaf	oh dear
12:32	troller	ANDROID rush on servers
12:34	Megaf	reactor, I have a lot of land actually protected with node_ownersip mod, but it seem like the areas mod will disable those protections
12:34	reactor	hmm
12:35	Megaf	even if I keep the node_ownership mod on
12:35	Megaf	they do share some commands, but use a different database file
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12:38	Krock	then hange their command names
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12:46	Megaf	hm, node_ownership and areas store stuff in a different way, so I can't reuse the node_ownerships database
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12:49	Megaf	Krock, reactor proller__ Hi
12:49	Megaf	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=121604#p121604
12:49	Megaf	any idea?
12:50	Krock	you could modify 1 mod to get it working with the old database
12:50	Krock	never have been worked with those but it should be possible
12:53	phantombeta	Hey guys, this is unrelated to what's being talked about, but, can you guys recomend me some mods?
12:53	Megaf	phantombeta, for a server or for singleplayer?
12:54	phantombeta	singleplayer
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12:55	Megaf	hm
12:55	Megaf	phantombeta, for, plantlife, moretrees, moreores, moreblocks, mesecons, technic, pipeworks
12:55	Megaf	homedecor
12:55	Megaf	for is not a mod :P
12:56	Megaf	boats, carts
12:57	phantombeta	Uhhh, would the ones that generate stuff generate their stuff in existing worlds?
12:57	Krock	old generated chunks will not contain the nely added ores
12:57	Krock	*newly
12:58	phantombeta	ummm, how much blocks is a chunk?
12:59	Megaf	5x5x5?
12:59	Krock	16*16+16
12:59	Krock	* *16
13:02	phantombeta	Those mods should be in the mod database, right?
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13:07	Krock	not all mods are in the mmdb
13:15	Megaf	Krock, I found the areas topic
13:15	Megaf	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7239
13:15	Megaf	it says, Areas made with node_ownership can be converted with one simple command.
13:16	Krock	okay
13:16	Krock	the find it ;)
13:16	Krock	*then
13:17	Megaf	Ok, lets try it out
13:17	Megaf	To convert the area data from a node_ownership installation run /legacy_load_areas 0
13:19	Krock	omg
13:19	Megaf	Krock, could you please log in again and do the same test?
13:19	Krock	holy shit, it just was the: 11.12.2013 14:15
13:20	Krock	okay
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13:28	phantombeta	Uhhh
13:28	phantombeta	is there any mod that adds mobs?
13:30	Megaf	can any of you suggests a mod or something to /respawn?
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13:35	stormchaser3000	hi
13:37	Exio4	a mapblock is 16x16x16 nodes, and a chunk is (by default) 5x5x5 mapblocks
13:37	pitriss	Megaf: you can look into sources of my multispawn mod.
13:38	Exio4	the "chunk" definition is just something used internally for the mapgen
13:38	pitriss	phantombeta: mobf or simple mobs
13:38	phantombeta	I just found mobf xD
13:43	ibloat	Megaf, the mods you listed earlier for single player, will the also work on a multi player server?
13:44	Megaf	ibloat, yep, I use them in my server
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13:45	Megaf	Krock, my server is segfaulting when I try to create a hollowcylinder with Wolrd Edit
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13:46	Krock	hmm
13:46	Krock	maybe it has a incompatible mod there
13:46	Krock	else, no idea, never used worldedit
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13:57	phantombeta	uhhh
13:58	phantombeta	is there any way to clear the ingame console
14:05	Krock	no, why?
14:06	Megaf	Kray, did the server crash?
14:06	Megaf	Krock, *
14:06	Krock	yup
14:06	Krock	!up megaf.co.vu 30003
14:06	MinetestBot	megaf.co.vu:30003 is up (398ms)
14:07	Megaf	nevermind, its back again, its was just a hickup
14:07	Krock	!up megaf.co.vu 30003
14:07	MinetestBot	megaf.co.vu:30003 is up (118ms)
14:07	Krock	can't connect
14:07	Megaf	6125 minetest 20 0 348m 133m 5828 S 103.2 13.5 13:48.30 minetestserver
14:08	Megaf	its using a lot of cpu
14:08	Megaf	I bet is that areas mod
14:09	proller__	no, its minetest
14:09	Megaf	proller__, well, it begun doing this with the areas mod
14:14	Megaf	such a good game with a lot of problems
14:14	Megaf	I just cant play it well
14:15	Megaf	how on Earth is it using so much CPU?
14:16	Megaf	Krock, Its behaving well now
14:16	Krock	I'll join later
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15:18	OldCoder	VanessaE, do I "wax poetic" ? I think I mostly need to wax the car.
15:18	OldCoder	:P
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15:26	sfan5	hi everyone
15:27	Krock	hi
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15:37	hoodedice	I'll just leave this here: http://i.imgur.com/Av681uC.png
15:37	hoodedice	sneak preview
15:39	stormchaser3000	hi
15:42	hoodedice	Yo, But am not here
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15:47	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
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15:56	Guest96125	hi there
15:56	Guest96125	oops
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16:07	hoodedice	Jordach!
16:08	hoodedice	I decided to take up modelling too! http://i.imgur.com/Av681uC.png
16:09	sfan5	oh nice... someone one the forum finds it rude to explain things with examples..
16:10	PilzAdam	sfan5, you are so mean please go away
16:10	sfan5	and then he reports my post.. (for people who don't know: mods handle all the reports)
16:10	sfan5	no, really.. how is that mean? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=121623#p121623
16:10	hoodedice	Who?
16:11	hoodedice	That. guy
16:12	sfan5	I should probably link to this smart questions page..
16:12	sfan5	!questions
16:12	MinetestBot	someone thinks that your question is inaccurate or doesn't follow the guidelines. Read here how to make it right: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
16:12	sfan5	ah right.. there is it
16:13	hoodedice	Yaay! we blasted him XD
16:13	* hoodedice	High fives PilzAdam
16:13	PilzAdam	o/\o
16:16	sfan5	''Seriously overusing smileys and color and fonts will make you come off like a giggly teenage girl, which is not generally a good idea unless you are more interested in sex than answers.''
16:16	sfan5	wat
16:16	sfan5	>interested in sex
16:16	hoodedice	where?
16:16	hoodedice	lol
16:16	sfan5	http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#formats last one
16:16	sfan5	!rainbow Am I doing this right?
16:16	MinetestBot	3A9m5 6I 4doi8n6g th3i2s r9ig5h3t3?
16:16	hoodedice	XDXDXDX <3<3 dat wus awsum! XD
16:17	hoodedice	lololol
16:17	hoodedice	101010101
16:17	sfan5	I wonder if somebody is interested in sex with MinetestBot now..
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16:17	hoodedice	I found a new quote!
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16:17	sfan5	:D
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16:18	sfan5	bed stuff lol
16:18	PilzAdam	hoodedice, lol
16:18	sfan5	hoodedice: do your think everyone will get that?
16:19	PilzAdam	!bedstuff hoodedice
16:19	hoodedice	I think everyone who is supposed to, will
16:19	PilzAdam	^ sfan5 implement!
16:19	hoodedice	I'm pretty aserious about there being kds on this site
16:19	hoodedice	"aserious" lol *serious
16:19	sfan5	^ PilzAdam DIY and pull request
16:20	sfan5	hoodedice: sex is not a swearing word
16:20	PilzAdam	Im not doing bed stuff myself
16:20	* sfan5	giggles
16:20	hoodedice	Yeah, but a quick google stuff will take you places.
16:20	hoodedice	My 13 yr old bro found out about reproductive stuff by a search of 'rape'
16:21	FreeFull	Probably not the best way to find out
16:21	Megaf_	oh dear. I wish I could be playing right now, but I can't
16:21	hoodedice	Indeed
16:21	hoodedice	I was taught about it by peers in middle school
16:22	sfan5	'' She was shocked as her computer suddenly showed porn, she never saw something like that. She did not regret it. ''
16:22	sfan5	is that what happens when you search for bed stuff?
16:22	* PilzAdam	waits for someone to !g bed stuff
16:22	sfan5	Megaf_: at work?
16:23	hoodedice	More like http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/categories/departments/bedroom/10681/
16:23	sfan5	!gc bed stuff
16:23	MinetestBot	bed stuff: 481,000,000
16:23	hoodedice	481m!
16:23	hoodedice	lol
16:23	sfan5	dawww... I was hoping for 69,000,000
16:23	Megaf_	sfan5. yep
16:23	hoodedice	MT is getting too close to #porn, if there is one
16:23	sfan5	your manager does not allow employes to play minetest?
16:23	sfan5	what a shitty job /s
16:24	PilzAdam	Megaf_, are you sure this channel is save for work?
16:24	hoodedice	*safe
16:24	sfan5	PilzAdam: #minetest is not SFW ATM
16:24	PilzAdam	s/not SFW/NSFW/
16:25	sfan5	(that sentence woul dconfuse the fuck out of someone who does not know what NSFW and ATM mean)
16:25	sfan5	s/woul dc/would c/
16:25	hoodedice	Need For Speed, Automatic Teller Machine
16:25	sfan5	hm...
16:25	hoodedice	*Need For Speed: World
16:25	PilzAdam	hoodedice, yep, makes totally sense
16:26	sfan5	PA: #MT is NSFW ATM
16:26	sfan5	is that better?
16:26	hoodedice	+op
16:26	hoodedice	U NO HAS VOICE, HOODEDICE
16:26	sfan5	!op
16:26	sfan5	like that
16:26	PilzAdam	op party?
16:27	hoodedice	oooh
16:27	hoodedice	!op
16:27	PilzAdam	!op
16:27	sfan5	nah.. we can only do an op party when freenode netsplits again
16:27	PilzAdam	:-/
16:27		Topic for #minetest is now 0.4.8 is released! \| Website: http://minetest.net \| Rules: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels \| Core Devs: #minetest-dev \| Servers: http://minetest.net/servers \| IRC logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ \| IRC stats: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html \| NekoGloopã¯çŒ«ã§ã™ã€‚Evergreenã¯æœ¨ã§ã™ã€‚\| I haz cut3 kitt3n
16:27	sfan5	!deop
16:27	sfan5	!op
16:27		Topic for #minetest is now 0.4.8 is released! \| Website: http://minetest.net \| Rules: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels \| Core Devs: #minetest-dev \| Servers: http://minetest.net/servers \| IRC logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ \| IRC stats: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html \| NekoGloopã¯çŒ«ã§ã™ã€‚Evergreenã¯æœ¨ã§ã™ã€‚ \| I haz cut3 kitt3n
16:27	hoodedice	Wut about NSFW ATM?
16:27	sfan5	!deop
16:28	* sfan5	is now away: Need to learn Latin :-(
16:28	Megaf_	we are in a meeting right now
16:28	hoodedice	Buh bye
16:28	sfan5	Megaf_: lol
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16:29	hoodedice	PilzAdam: This guy has gone overboard.
16:29	hoodedice	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=121646#p121646
16:29	hoodedice	My bad
16:31	PilzAdam	sfan5, Nelson haha you have to learn Latin!
16:31	hoodedice	PilzAdam: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7979
16:32	PilzAdam	seems legit
16:32	Megaf_	world edit is really easy to use
16:32	hoodedice	XD We are lunatics after all
16:32	Megaf_	and install
16:32	hoodedice	Megaf_: Indeed.
16:33	Megaf_	well. perhaps he's not having a good time
16:33	PilzAdam	glad he didnt speak to me first.... :-p
16:33	Megaf_	I would have some patience with him. just like you have with me
16:34	hoodedice	Posting in 5 different places is what bugged us
16:35	Megaf_	newcomers. they are just like to that
16:35	PilzAdam	its funny how posted it in "Bugs and problems"
16:35	Megaf_	perhaps a first time forum user
16:35	sfan5	PilzAdam: D-:
16:35	hoodedice	no
16:40	MegafAndroid	Hi?
16:42	hoodedice	Hi.
16:48	hoodedice	PilzAdam
16:49	hoodedice	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7979 Inoducom's post
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16:54	hoodedice	Mods? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7980 Should be in Modding General
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16:59	Jordach	hoodedice, better
16:59	hoodedice	Dat lag, Jordach
16:59	Jordach	hoodedice, was playing the new Saints Row 4 DLC
16:59	hoodedice	Argh, Another Rockstar game?
17:00	hoodedice	darn you Jordach
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17:01	Jordach	hoodedice, GTA is Rockstar
17:01	Jordach	Saints Row is Violition
17:01	hoodedice	oh
17:01	hoodedice	didn't know that
17:01	hoodedice	What's the ERSB?
17:01	Jordach	18
17:02	Jordach	it has almost all the boxes ticked on the back, except fear
17:02	hoodedice	Not for me then
17:02	Calinou	there is no 18 in ESRB
17:02	hoodedice	I don't play games with explicit sexual themes
17:02	Calinou	you mean 17+
17:02	Calinou	and it is PEGI 18
17:02	Calinou	"Fear" is only for PEGI 7 games
17:03	Jordach	hoodedice, the point of Saints Row is a joke now
17:03	hoodedice	?
17:05	hoodedice	Dafuq is this rectifer?
17:05	hoodedice	XD
17:05	hoodedice	Man, this game aint for me
17:05	hoodedice	Later anyway peeps. Enough drama for one day
17:10	phantombeta	Hi
17:12	MegafAtWork	hi
17:13	phantombeta	'sup guys?
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17:14	MegafAtWork	can someone give me voice in #Minetest-Dev? I cant talk there
17:15	MegafAtWork	Or I will ask just here
17:15	ShadowNinja	MegafAtWork: You need to use a real client.
17:15	proller__	about your laggy server? ;)
17:16	MegafAtWork	!up megaf.co.vu 30003
17:16	MinetestBot	megaf.co.vu:30003 is up (308ms)
17:16	MegafAtWork	actually ping is 150
17:16	MegafAtWork	and its not laggy
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17:20	hoodedice	PilzAdam:
17:20	hoodedice	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7979
17:20	MegafAtWork	ShadowNinja: Thanks for your areas mod, it works fine
17:20	ShadowNinja	MegafAtWork: YW, thanks. :-)
17:20	MegafAtWork	ShadowNinja: could it be possible to use MySQL to store it's data?
17:20	MegafAtWork	I'd like to make my server a distribuited server system
17:21	MegafAtWork	put various instances of the server in different servers, sharing a single db
17:22	ShadowNinja	Ehm, that would add a luasql dependency, which would require compiling.
17:22	ShadowNinja	And I'd prefer SQLite.
17:23	proller__	ShadowNinja can you make protected default sinn_wall ?
17:24	ShadowNinja	proller__: What do you mean? You can protect the whole world and grant sub-areas.
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17:25	proller__	but everybody can write to signs in protected area
17:25	proller__	i use your areas mod
17:25	MegafAtWork	lunatics, yes, we all are
17:26	MegafAtWork	[15:26] <proller__> but everybody can write to signs in protected area
17:26	MegafAtWork	+1
17:26	ShadowNinja	proller__: That's intentional I guess. If you want them protected add a minetest.is_protected check to the signs mod.
17:26	ShadowNinja	(Or install locked_sign)
17:29	ShadowNinja	Should they be protected? http://strawpoll.me/848251
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17:35	MegafAtWork	I gave my vote
17:37	ShadowNinja	^ Open to anyone.
17:38	MegafAtWork	ShadowNinja: I published it on my servers site
17:38	ShadowNinja	MegafAtWork: What site?
17:39	Calinou	voted no
17:39	MegafAtWork	ShadowNinja: http://megaf.co.vu/
17:39	MegafAtWork	Calinou: I voted no too
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17:40	MegafAtWork	because if it's protected, is protected and shouldnt be changed by one who can't change
17:40	specing	MegafAtWork: Aren't there locked signs, too?
17:40	MegafAtWork	Not buy default I think
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17:40	specing	if so, enable public editing and make people use locked signs
17:41	MegafAtWork	ShadowNinja: Another good thing could be to have locked signs by default
17:44	MegafAtWork	nah what?
17:44	Calinou	sign + iron = locked sign
17:44	MegafAtWork	is it?
17:44	Calinou	why does it take so long to have locked sign/furnace in default game?
17:45	MegafAtWork	Heh, my girlfriend complains a lot about people stealing stuff from furnaces
17:46	MegafAtWork	I need someone to join my server and ask Gronx to come here on IRC
17:47	ShadowNinja	MegafAtWork: The legacy mods convert, eg, moreblocks:gold_block to default:gold_block. You will probably wnt to keep them installed.
17:47	Calinou	john_minetest, we have locked chests and doors already...
17:47	Calinou	we need some decent base, please don't act like Debian does
17:48	ShadowNinja	MegafAtWork: And the creative mod does nothing if creative mode is disabled, so you can leave it.
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17:48	MegafAtWork	ShadowNinja: hm, ok, I will leave legacy on on the next compilation, thanks
17:49	Calinou	yes, it really should :/
17:49	MegafAtWork	locked doors are pretty useless, just a stronger reason for a griefer to grief
17:49	Calinou	yeah
17:50	Calinou	you are supposed to respect them, MegafAtWork
17:50	MegafAtWork	I like locked door just to identify who built something
17:50	Calinou	it means, "don't enter" to respectful people
17:50	MegafAtWork	Calinou: yep, But I'm talking about griefers
17:50	Calinou	don't be so negative, not everyone is a griefer :)
17:50	MegafAtWork	not respectful kind of people
17:50	ShadowNinja	MegafAtWork: If you give your mods fly they can just fly up and use /area_pos2 rather than stacking.
17:52	MegafAtWork	ShadowNinja: I said staking just to make things easier to understand. Theres some persons on out staff that have a little diffcult with some stuff sometimes
17:53	ShadowNinja	Heh, ok.
17:53	MegafAtWork	ShadowNinja: That's what I really like with the areas mod, I works like the World Edit, I mean, it's really practical to use
17:53	MegafAtWork	just fly and set position to where you are
17:53	MegafAtWork	or punch the place
17:53	MegafAtWork	pretty neat
17:54	rubenwardy	Does minetest only support player Y axis rotation (ie: left/right) from lua, or can you do X/Z rotation?
17:54	Calinou	only Y axis I guess
17:54	Calinou	:(
17:54	ShadowNinja	^
17:54	Calinou	too bad we can't see pitch of a player
17:54	rubenwardy	ie1z0, for https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=121667#p121667 , can you make coasters go upside down
17:54	rubenwardy	ah
17:54	MegafAtWork	also it would be cool head movement
17:54	rubenwardy	for gods sake
17:55	Calinou	head movement?
17:55	rubenwardy	*ie
17:55	ShadowNinja	Minetest's colision system doesn't support that anyway.
17:55	Calinou	nvm
17:55	Calinou	ShadowNinja, what does that have to do with collision?
17:55	Calinou	hitboxes could never rotate
17:55	ShadowNinja	Calinou: The hitbox should rotate with the player. The camera is anso hardcoded.
17:56	Calinou	the hitbox doesn't rotate with player
17:56	Calinou	both "selection" and "collision" boxes
17:56	Calinou	same applies to mobs
17:58	rubenwardy	PilzAdam: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=121670#p121670
18:02	MegafAtWork	Heh
18:02	MegafAtWork	He seems to be a good man
18:02	hoodedice	OMG rubenwardy Didn't know you liked it so much!
18:02	MegafAtWork	Just a frustrated man
18:03	rubenwardy	For a full good mod we need: stations, start levers, loop the loop, pillars, track (duh), crank track (speeds up player), cameras (decorative)
18:05	hoodedice	I did think of some stuff that could be implemented now
18:05	hoodedice	rails with gears, that pull the cart up
18:06	hoodedice	e do have power rails and brake rails
18:06	hoodedice	But diagonals need to be implemented (Will be buggy)
18:06	MegafAtWork	That's a long TODO list
18:07	MegafAtWork	:P
18:07	hoodedice	rails with gears?
18:07	hoodedice	New texture withe gears, copy paste the code from power rails
18:07	hoodedice	With some values changed
18:07	MegafAtWork	I sent Tx_RushFan a PM, I think it worked, hes much calm now
18:07	hoodedice	Indeed.
18:08	rubenwardy	Gears dont increase speed, they set speed kind of
18:08	rubenwardy	For going up hill
18:08	hoodedice	"with some values changed"
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18:11	MinetestBot	GIT: xyzz commited to minetest/minetest: Add Lithuanian translation. dfd1f87762 2013-12-11T10:10:56-08:00 http://git.io/Q8_kKw
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18:16	thexyz	people are so mean :(
18:17	PilzAdam	ponies arent mean
18:18	rubenwardy	Ponies are fantasy creatures
18:20	MegafAtWork	VanessaE: kaeza: today I got a new build from github of homedecor, no crashes yet
18:21	MegafAtWork	perhaps land poneys rubenwardy
18:21	rubenwardy	Of course they are, they come in rainbow colours, no real animal does that
18:22	Jordach	!
18:22	Jordach	you nearly made me shit myself
18:23	Jordach	my notification was turned up and my headphones are on
18:24	Jordach	mhm
18:24	MegafAtWork	rubenwardy: narwhals are like poneys of the sea, and they do exist
18:24	Jordach	for debian based systems with clang
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18:31	Jordach	john_minetest, my binary is debian based
18:31	MegafAtWork	[16:19] <rubenwardy> Ponies are fantasy creatures
18:31	MegafAtWork	[16:24] <MegafAtWork> rubenwardy: narwhals are like poneys of the sea, and they do exist
18:31	MegafAtWork	s/pony/unicorn
18:31	MegafAtWork	lol
18:33	rubenwardy	Of course they dont, they come in rainbow colours, no real animal does that
18:34	MegafAtWork	Adorable creature http://thumbnails.visually.netdna-cdn.com/narwhal-unicorn-of-the-sea_5029158744a44_w1500.jpg
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18:35	* Jordach	us UV unwrapping ANGULAR ARMS
18:35	Jordach	got 'em working :D
18:35	Jordach	within 52 triangles (that's 1000 less than the smooth bends!)
18:37	Jordach	i fuckin' hate making drivers + attaching to bones
18:43	Jordach	gen 5 prototype coming along smoothly :P
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18:44	thexyz	wow the /topic gets worse and worse every day
18:47	Calinou	fix it, really
18:48	PilzAdam	^
18:48	Jordach	http://i.imgur.com/6Os3QwR.png
18:48	Jordach	!op
18:48		Topic for #minetest is now 0.4.8 is released! \| Website: http://minetest.net \| Rules: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels \| Core Devs: #minetest-dev \| Servers: http://minetest.net/servers \| IRC logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ \| IRC stats: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html
18:48	MegafAtWork	rubenwardy: sorry, but what does this do? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2840
18:48	thexyz	Calinou: I can't
18:48	Calinou	thanks :P
18:48	thexyz	I only haz +v
18:49	Jordach	you can always ask me :P
18:49	Jordach	and yes, i'm still working on my damn model :D
18:49	PilzAdam	thexyz, really?
18:49	thexyz	nice hope sfan5 stops with that weeaboo shit some day <3
18:49	thexyz	PilzAdam: really what?
18:50	PilzAdam	<thexyz> I only haz +v
18:50	thexyz	you can ask ChanServ in case you don't believe me
18:50	sfan5	Jordach: :-(
18:50	sfan5	atleast keep the kitten
18:50	Jordach	no
18:50	sfan5	but I wantz kitten
18:50	PilzAdam	sfan5, ##kittens
18:50	Jordach	...am i the only sane person left here
18:50	PilzAdam	Jordach, no
18:51	PilzAdam	you are not sane
18:51	sfan5	lol
18:51	thexyz	regarding shitty community
18:51	rubenwardy	MegafAtWork, you can use it to make node boxes for mods
18:56	sfan5	wat
18:56	sfan5	19:56:16: ACTION[ServerThread]: CHAT: <Guest8754> I am a beautiful person.
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18:58	thefamilygrog66	bonjour
18:58	sfan5	hi
18:58	Calinou	hi
19:00	thexyz	sfan5: is this another buildcraft player?
19:00	sfan5	dunno
19:00	sfan5	I can't detect that
19:01	thexyz	buildcraft still uses Guest*** names
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19:05	thefamilygrog66	had to uninstall xchat, and replace it with hexchat - stupid 30 day trials...
19:06	Jordach	why not quassel?
19:07	sfan5	WTF
19:07	sfan5	why the fuck does Inocudom always talk about these RBA's shader
19:07	sfan5	+s
19:07	sfan5	I mean they are nice, but dude!
19:07	thexyz	thefamilygrog66: there's another option of, well, buying it
19:07	sfan5	>most of its members are more interested in talking about where they place their torches than talking about RealBadAngel's new shaders for Minetest
19:08	Jordach	we've seen shaders before
19:08	sfan5	also pretty ironic that this tx_rushfan guy sweared in the forum and now he says he's glad his daughter didn't go to the (unfriendly) minetest forums
19:10	sfan5	>At least minetest sucks for free, your average street corner only has proprietary hoes.
19:10	sfan5	plol
19:10	thexyz	^ completely ignoring the fact of minetest forums unfriendliness, cherry-picking stuff
19:11	sfan5	fffuuuu! Signatures cannot be longer than 400 characters. Please reduce your signature by 13 characters.
19:12	thexyz	john_minetest: nice joke
19:13	thexyz	nice joke still
19:13	thexyz	> who is on the forums?
19:13	thexyz	like, everyone?
19:13	thexyz	I mean, for you it's probably hard to believe that the majority of Minetest players use Windows, is that right?
19:13	ShadowNinja	Should this and the folowing post be removed? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=121657#p121657
19:14	thexyz	indeed, but that doesn't mean that the majority of players use windows
19:15	thexyz	yes
19:15	thexyz	ShadowNinja: this topic definitely says something about the community
19:16	thexyz	I don't remember those times
19:17	Exio4	"he forums have been less active than normal ever since the end of last summer"
19:17	Exio4	does this mean the community has been busy because the summer ended?
19:17	Exio4	the forums have been less active..*
19:18	sfan5	I may be able to provide a num. of new posts a day statistic soon (based on http://5.231.56.127/forumstats.html )
19:18	sfan5	that will show whether the community becomes inactive
19:19	thexyz	> php
19:20	Warr1024	it doesn't seem fair that the forums are treated like the "official" community.
19:21	Warr1024	in MC, players had stable account usernames, while in MT it seems like the forum username has been used as a substitute...
19:21	thexyz	uhh? what do you mean?
19:21	Warr1024	For instance, I heard a bunch of discussion around the idea of per-player skins.
19:22	thefamilygrog66	thexyz, I suppose, if I felt like purchasing an IRC client - hexchat is a FOSS fork of it, anyway
19:22	thexyz	alright
19:23	Warr1024	one of the more popular ideas was to tie skins to forum accounts, e.g. through the avatar system...
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19:24	Warr1024	I suppose if you're on Windows, signing up for the forums is probably easier than getting on IRC since web access generally doesn't require installing software, while IRC access generally does.
19:24	Exio4	haha
19:24	Exio4	it is funny
19:25	Exio4	the two scanners we have on my house
19:25	Exio4	work "somewhat easy" under linux
19:25	Exio4	but noone was able to get them working under windows
19:26	Warr1024	I've had plenty of experiences like that.
19:26	Warr1024	I had a DVD drive that slowly started crapping out, started refusing to read random DVD's. After I wiped my machine and installed nx (might have been FreeBSD at the time) it worked perfectly ever since.
19:27	Warr1024	Scanners usually either work or don't work under unix. They almost always sort of work under Windows, i.e. technically you can get images from them, but it usually involves jumping through all the hoops in the manufacturer's software.
19:28	thefamilygrog66	peripherals always work better on linux than on windows. fact.
19:28	thefamilygrog66	oh wait, I meant the opposite of that.
19:28	thefamilygrog66	haha
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19:30	Jordach	ello Esteban_
19:30	Esteban_	Hello :D
19:32	Warr1024	so I ran into a weird issue with MT. When I tried to connect to one particular server, one particular client would get hung up on the "node definitions" phase of connection. It happens about 80% of the time, but with enough retries, I can often make it past.
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19:32	Warr1024	The main thing that's special about that connection is that both nodes are on wifi, and get a lot of packet loss between the two of them, probably due to timing collisions and the like.
19:33	Warr1024	I wonder if there are points in the handshake where if a UDP packet gets lost, there's no retry/resume, and both sides just end up waiting for a hard timeout?
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19:40	kahrl	sounds like a job for wireshark
19:41	kahrl	there is actually a (very outdated, but the basic things still work) dissector for the minetest protocol
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19:44	Warr1024	hm, good point. I should see if I can confirm the packet loss. Thanks.
19:45	Warr1024	I was digging around in the protocol a while back and trying to figure out if it would be possible to patch the server with an API call that would let me push new/updated textures to the client at arbitrary points in the connection.
19:45	Warr1024	It looked feasible, aside from having to flush the appropriate caches on each end.
19:45	kaeza	greetings
19:46	Warr1024	hi kaeza
19:46	kaeza	Warr1024, such a patch would be awesome
19:46	Warr1024	kaeza, I had a lot of stability issues with your irc mod, until I installed LuaJIT...
19:47	kaeza	stability issues?
19:47	Warr1024	crashes. Pilz helped me get backtraces, then mentioned that almost everyone running that mod runs luajit, which led me to try that.
19:47	Warr1024	I'll see if I can find the logs...
19:48	kaeza	that is weird, as it worked perfectly vefore on stock Lua
19:48	kaeza	-v+b
19:48	Warr1024	I'm on OpenBSD, so it could be (1) old or very date-mismatched ports, or (2) platform quirks...
19:49	Warr1024	I recently updated my OS and recompiled MT, only to find it wouldn't read my leveldb database anymore.
19:49	kaeza	ah that could be the reason too
19:49	Warr1024	Eventually, I figured out that I had installed leveldb 1.5.0 from ports, then updated to 1.15.0 over top of it.
19:49	kaeza	you see, it has only been reliably tested under Linux
19:50	Warr1024	upgrading apparently re-replaced it with the old one.
19:50	Warr1024	it seems weird that JIT, which is mainly a performance thing, would improve the stability, though.
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19:51	kaeza	Warr1024, it does not seem to work at all on Windows, due to some quirks with the dynamic loader
19:51	kaeza	maybe there's some quirk on *BSD too with respect to that
19:51	kaeza	but yes, that seems weird
19:51	Warr1024	here's the crash: it's a double-free
19:51	Warr1024	http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6434793/
19:52	Warr1024	another possibility is that most OS's may simply silently ignore double-free's. OpenBSD likes to kill processes for the slightest memory management violation.
19:52	Warr1024	original discussion between Pilz and I at http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-11-17#i_3442609.
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19:53	thexyz	can't see double free there
19:53	Warr1024	oh, there's another paste later..
19:53	thexyz	this is an ordinary invalid block error
19:53	Warr1024	http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6434833/
19:54	Warr1024	it looks like it's a bug in the embedded copy of luasocket that's included with the ircmod.
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19:54	vfs	the future of minetest?
19:54	thexyz	it's odd anyway
19:55	thexyz	why wouldn't it crash on linux? why wouldn't it crash with luajit
19:55	Warr1024	yeah, really.
19:55	vfs	minetest in cryengine is very strange...
19:55	Warr1024	linux could be explained by a more liberal policy towards double-frees.
19:56	Warr1024	but the jit thing is totally weird.
19:56	thexyz	glibc detects double-free, doesn't it?
19:56	Warr1024	I don't run enough linux stuff to know for sure.
19:56	Warr1024	or at least I've never seen a process crash out completely because of one. No telling whether that's due to a lack of double-free's in the software, or due to silently ignoring them.
19:57	thexyz	I had errors like "* glibc detected * XXX: double free or corruption"
19:57	thexyz	but I haven't tested luasocket
19:57	thexyz	I'm not sure why would anything ignore it
19:58	Warr1024	well, double-free's usually point to poor tracking of pointer use, so it's good policy to crash on double-frees and force the developer to fix them.
19:59	Warr1024	however, technically you could safely ignore them, since the dev is really just signalling intent to no longer use a pointer he/she should already not have been using, and let the program see if it can continue (at least until it's next sloppy-pointer-use crash).
20:00	Warr1024	it depends on whether you expect your target users to be developers or innocent users :-)
20:03	Warr1024	iirc, a copy of luasocket is embedded in ircmod, but a copy of lua is not (though it is embedded in MT). a copy of libc is not embedded in either. I imagine it wouldn't be too hard for them to get out of sync.
20:04	Warr1024	My particular setup can be extra-messy since I run MT out of a repo that embeds a copy of MT, ircmod, some other mods, and leveldb, and wraps them all in a build process...
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20:05	thexyz	what could go wrong
20:06	thexyz	oh
20:06	thexyz	jetbrains better release their c++ ide until christmas
20:07	Calinou	better make it cost $500 and make it require an EULA
20:08	thexyz	you haven't used any of their IDEs, have you?
20:08	Calinou	no
20:09	rubenwardy	Bye all!
20:09	thexyz	they cost reasonable prices (100$ personal python ide license), often have free open source "community editions" and generally are The Best Thing(s) Ever
20:10	thexyz	and they're free for open source projects of course
20:10	Calinou	$100 isn't really reasonable
20:10	thexyz	what is then?
20:10	Calinou	less than $40
20:10	Calinou	(and I'm being nice)
20:10	thexyz	we're talking about commercial usage
20:11	thexyz	no, you're being stupid <3
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20:11	thexyz	this tool helps you make monies
20:11	thexyz	100$/year is perfectly reasonable
20:11	Calinou	what if you don't manage to make monies?
20:11	thexyz	your fault
20:11	thexyz	don't buy it then? dunno
20:11	Calinou	that's my point
20:12	Calinou	there are free as in beer and as in freedom IDEs.
20:12	thexyz	but they suck
20:12	thexyz	the only problem
20:12	Calinou	they really don't, learn how to use them
20:12	thexyz	lol
20:12	thexyz	Calinou: do you use any of them?
20:12	thexyz	Calinou: any good python ide you can suggest me?
20:12	Calinou	no
20:12	thexyz	meh
20:13	Calinou	I use geany, but as a text editor
20:13	thexyz	then it looks like trolling, sorry
20:13	kaeza	IDLE
20:13	Calinou	not trolling
20:13	thexyz	because you really have no idea of the subject you're talking about
20:13	Calinou	I do
20:13	kaeza	oh wait, you said "good", then no
20:13	thexyz	no, you don't since you've never used pycharm
20:13	thexyz	kaeza: yeah, yeah, i did, it's easy to miss
20:14	thexyz	Calinou: so any good truly free python IDEs (hint: pycharm has open source edition)
20:14	thefamilygrog66	geany, ftw
20:14	Calinou	is that version of pycharm open source?
20:15	thexyz	http://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/download/
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20:15	thexyz	yes, community edition is free and open source
20:15	thexyz	but say I need Django support to, well, develop sites or something? are there any open source alternatives?
20:15	Jordach	notepad++ doesn't suck
20:15	Calinou	ah ok
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20:16	thexyz	Jordach: lol
20:16	thexyz	meh, it's boring to talk with people who haven't used those editors/ides but have the most rightest opinion ever
20:17	Calinou	rightest isn't a word :P
20:17	thexyz	still luv you <3
20:18	Calinou	better love your anime
20:18	thexyz	no, because anime makes you stupid
20:22	Warr1024	I always tried to avoid using IDE's because often I'll find myself needing to develop for or debug on different platforms that can't run an IDE...
20:23	Warr1024	it might sound pathological, but if you're used to doing all your development using plain vi, tmux, and a borne-compatible shell, it's hard to be disappointed by what any platform has to offer.
20:23	Jordach	vi
20:23	Jordach	really
20:23	Jordach	GNU Nano ftw
20:24	Jordach	i use it for all of my work at college
20:24	Warr1024	I used to use pico back in the day.
20:24	Calinou	I use nano if I edit in a terminal
20:24	Warr1024	vi has a steeper learning curve, but the automation is nice once you learn it.
20:24	Calinou	I never tried to learn vim
20:24	Warr1024	I never learned vim either.
20:25	Calinou	vi or vim
20:25	Warr1024	it's not intuitive.
20:26	Warr1024	vi is basically the kind of software that Larry Tesler crusaded against.
20:26	Warr1024	but it has the advantage of being nearly uniquitous on unix-likes.
20:27	Warr1024	gedit? isn't that x11?
20:27	kaeza	butterflies!
20:27	Calinou	gedit is GNOME's text editor
20:27	Warr1024	ah.
20:28	zash	vim is very powerful but one needs to learn it first
20:30	Warr1024	I don't really use vi because I like it per se. I've had issues with key mappings getting messed up, and I'd never get used to the hjkl navigation, and vi is pretty hard to use with bad ESC key bindings.
20:30	Sokomine	kaeza: aspiremints animals contain butterflies :-)
20:30	Warr1024	it's just that there have been times in the past where I had to edit config files on a machine running off a 100MB flash drive, and learning vi is pretty much the only option...
20:31	Sokomine	it's also pretty efficient to navigate once you've learned the basics of vi. no long paths for the fingers, no need to catch a mouse
20:32	Warr1024	Haha, I just remembered back when I was in college and getting annoyed at learning the key sequences for either vi or pico: I ended up writing a windows app in VB that downloaded a text file off the unix server, edited it in a notepad-like interface, then "saved" it by re-uploading. Man that was such a hack.
20:34	Warr1024	well, syntax highlighting could be nice. I'd make a lot fewer unterminated string constant errors that way.
20:35	Calinou	there is syntax highlighting in nano
20:35	Calinou	I don't know how to enable it though :/
20:35	Warr1024	one nice thing about vi is that I can do a "72i-[ESC]" to insert a nice 72-char ascii horizontal rule.
20:35	Calinou	<john_minetest> I also wonder why people need more than nano
20:36	Calinou	that's like saying "I also wonder why people need more than ioquake3" when talking about game engines :/
20:38	Warr1024	Being able to comfortably do real work using primitive tools is a useful skill to have.
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20:40	ibloat	itellij/pycharm with the vim plugin works quite okay
20:40	Warr1024	performing well on modest hardware is really nice too.
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20:43	Calinou	you should still advance
20:43	Calinou	eg. ioquake3 has a CPU bottleneck on map rendering that modern engines do not have
20:43	ibloat	thexyz, maybe i'm blind, but i didn't see eclipse mentioned. works okay for django projects
20:46	thexyz	ibloat: I heard eclipse is bloated and slow
20:46	thexyz	is that no longer true?
20:47	thexyz	typical open source project docs http://cgdb.github.io/docs/index.html
20:47	Calinou	not funny
20:48	thexyz	what is?
20:48	Calinou	since you're going to complain about everything in the docs...
20:48	thexyz	why?
20:48	thexyz	I'm not
20:49	thexyz	I just thought it's funny
20:49	thexyz	am I not allowed to joke about open source projects documentation from now on?
20:49	kaeza	very drama, such wow
20:50	Warr1024	though given the choice between improving the docs and improving the code...
20:50	Calinou	it is not funny, because it is not the reality
20:50	Calinou	Warr1024, improving docs can be done by non-coders ;)
20:50	Calinou	it is very time consuming too :/
20:50	Warr1024	for those projects lucky enough to have non-coders willing to donate time and energy.
20:51	thexyz	but it is
20:51	thexyz	look at this page?
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20:51	thexyz	Calinou is being overly serious
20:51	Calinou	it sounds like you are serious
20:52	Jordach	...for once
20:52	EvergreenTree	'ello
20:52	thexyz	by the way, looks like this is a nice gdb interface after all
20:52	thexyz	eh
20:52	thexyz	whatever
20:52	Warr1024	sadly, I have a lot of software projects that I'm planning on open-sourcing, but don't want to share because I'm embarrassed about the almost-complete nonexistence of documentation of any kind...
20:52	Jordach	\o/
20:54	Calinou	Warr1024, don't be embarrassed: the community can help and we really don't shame people for that.
20:54	Warr1024	:-)
20:55	Calinou	which kind of software projects do you make?
20:55	Warr1024	but documentation serves an aesthetic purpose as well, as a way of displaying pride in your work... and that serves a functional purpose as well in letting your users know how confident they should be in the code.
20:56	Warr1024	I write a lot of little automation scripts, some trivial, some significant.
20:56	Warr1024	a lot of integration work.
20:56	Calinou	some projects need little or no documentation
20:57	Warr1024	like http://gitorious.org/warr1024/szhosts for instance
20:58	Calinou	gitorious has a new UI :o
20:58	Warr1024	it's the inventor's paradox: sometimes solving a particular problem is most easily done by creating a general-purpose tool that solves all similar problems. After a while, you accumulate a lot of neat reusable bits and pieces that maybe someone else could use...
20:58	EvergreenTree	<offtopic>One thing I'd just like to just throw out there, conky is awesome</offtopic>
20:58	thexyz	yeah, they switched to bootstrap it seems
20:58	sfan5	!g conky
20:58	MinetestBot	sfan5: http://conky.sourceforge.net/
20:58	Warr1024	yeah, gitorious' new UI messed with me a bit, as one of the OTHER scripts I have automatically scrapes their UI for repos owned by a particular user (in my case, me) and downloads them all, to keep local mirrors of all my projects... :-)
20:59	sfan5	yay,yay,yay
20:59	MinetestBot	GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Better installation instructions. https://gi 2013-12-11T12:58:58-08:00 http://git.io/qRNhbw
20:59	sfan5	I finally found what I was searching for
20:59	Calinou	woah, the gitorious UI looks like github
20:59	sfan5	..
20:59	Calinou	according to the homepage
20:59	thexyz	Calinou: no, github ui actually looks good
21:00	Calinou	it seems to look simpler, that's all
21:00	Warr1024	Their new UI just looks different to me, not necessarily better or worse.
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21:00	EvergreenTree	Hey Uberi!
21:00	Jordach	anyone want to mest my prototype gen 5 model?
21:00	Uberi	hey EvergreenTree :)
21:00	Jordach	test*
21:01	Calinou	hi EvergreenTree and Uberi
21:01	Uberi	o/
21:01	Calinou	(\
21:02	EvergreenTree	/)
21:02	Jordach	\o/\o/\o/\o/
21:03	ibloat	thexyz, compared to pydev eclipse feels slow and bloated. it does work though
21:03	EvergreenTree	(.)/
21:04	EvergreenTree	sfan5, what were you searching for?
21:04	sfan5	conky
21:04	EvergreenTree	It is configured via an html-like file
21:04	EvergreenTree	inthe home directory
21:04	EvergreenTree	You can use lua and python scripts with it as well
21:06	Calinou	ibloat, see your nick
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21:07	Calinou	EvergreenTree, I prefer having CPU/RAM/network usage/battery bars in panel, instead of using conky
21:07	Calinou	less time spent configuring stuff, less CPU used for displaying the stuff
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21:08	EvergreenTree	Calinou, nicer looking though
21:08	Calinou	but not very efficient :P
21:09	Calinou	the stuff I use looks fine for me, it's just a simple 24px high bar
21:09	Calinou	accurate enough
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21:12	thexyz	ibloat: I see, thanks
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21:16	Jordach	obligatory desktop http://i.imgur.com/I1rV9k4.png
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21:22	sfan5	Jordach: the home icon is cute <3
21:23	thexyz	nice, i like how this vim plugin doesn't work and tells me it's my fault and kindly says i should go read the docs
21:24	EvergreenTree	obligatory desktop screeny #2 http://i.imgur.com/Skzfh0f.png
21:24	EvergreenTree	panels auto-hide
21:26	thexyz	http://i.imgur.com/d4aM0Is.png
21:30	MinetestBot	GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest_game: Rework screwdriver and add protection support 64fdb49a32 2013-12-11T13:10:17-08:00 http://git.io/IJ-VrA
21:30	thexyz	meeh
21:33	Calinou	EvergreenTree, try using hexchat instead of xchat, it has security updates and new features ;)
21:33	Calinou	there's a PPA for *buntus
21:33	Calinou	http://hexchat.github.io
21:34	EvergreenTree	mkay
21:34	EvergreenTree	I might switch
21:34	thexyz	oh that windows screenshot with #gentoo
21:36	Calinou	how I IRC on netbook: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82342922/temp/Capture%20d'%C3%A9cran%20-%2011122013%20-%2022%3A35%3A06.png
21:38	Jordach	Calinou, not bad
21:39	Jordach	you actually got the weather widget working
21:39	Jordach	didn't work for me :(
21:39	Calinou	it's not hard, just add it, right click, properties, set your city
21:39	Calinou	there is even up to 10 day forecast if you click (not very accurate :P)
21:39	Jordach	tried, couldn't find mine
21:39	Calinou	put a city that is near yours
21:40	Calinou	my exact city is in it, I'm lucky :p
21:40	thexyz	> 2014
21:40	thexyz	> not getting colorhug
21:40	thexyz	> not getting perfect colors
21:40	thexyz	> not helping open hardware
21:40	Calinou	colorhug? perfect colors? open hardware?
21:41	thexyz	all those strange words, eh?
21:41	Calinou	what do you mean? I know what's open hardware, but why?
21:41	thexyz	why what?
21:46	PilzAdam	bye
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22:08	MinetestBot	GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Implement search tab and version picker 4ccaa6d0af 2013-12-11T14:07:38-08:00 http://git.io/xKU4Pg
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22:33	BlockMen	night everyone
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23:22	Exio4	and since it's coded in C, it's quite slow. Not really worth the download.
23:22	Exio4	because fuck logic!
23:23	OldCoder	Logic is bad! :P
23:26	iqualfragile	Exio4: what are you talking about?
23:27	Exio4	http://25.media.tumblr.com/d12b4ada51455cdc5484ac8e9d67b996/tumblr_mx6wzyqi3E1r40ns1o1_1280.jpg
23:27	Exio4	errr
23:27	Exio4	sorry XD\
23:27	Exio4	not that
23:27	Exio4	http://www.zophar.net/tg16/tg16-emu.html
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23:27	Exio4	don't open the link btw
23:27	Exio4	it posted in some other channel for trolling and didn't remember i had it my clipboard
23:28	kaeza	O_o
23:28	OldCoder	?
23:29	Exio4	the image
23:29	kaeza	Exio4, it would be faster if it was written in Javascript! </lamefun>
23:29	Exio4	ha
23:30	paramat	I have a wieldhand texture to contribute https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/222 but should this be as a pull request from a topic branch of my own fork?
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