Time  Nick            Message
00:04 Megaf           VanessaE, ShadowNinja, sfan5, kaeza!!
00:04 Megaf           fixed!
00:04 Megaf           im not crashing anymore
00:04 ShadowNinja     Megaf: Great!
00:04 Megaf           using the irrlich 1.8.1 done the trick
00:05 VanessaE        yay!
00:13 Megaf           does that means that minetest has nothing to do with that bug?
00:14 VanessaE        hrd to say for sure
00:14 Megaf           VanessaE, actually, Im using the stable branch too now
00:14 VanessaE        it's possible irrlicht is returning something from the chat window calls that minetest can't deal with
01:18 Megaf           Good night
01:18 Megaf           thanks VanessaE ShadowNinja kaeza
01:18 VanessaE        sure thing
01:53 RavonTUS        Greeting
02:02 harrison        http://youtu.be/z9AB_IhOwKY
02:05 VanessaE        local backdir = minetest.facedir_to_dir(node.param2)
02:06 VanessaE        what's facedir_to_dir() supposed to return if you feed it a nil?
02:25 ShadowNinja     ^ [Solved]
02:32 VanessaE        ShadowNinja: see link in -dev
02:32 VanessaE        how is it possible that a nil is getting through that code to line 37?
02:32 VanessaE        ...t/games/vanessae_game/mods/pipeworks/autoplace_tubes.lua:37: attempt to index local 'backdir'
02:32 VanessaE        ' (a nil value)
02:32 VanessaE        facedir_to_dir() is returning nil even when fed non-nil inpu
02:33 ShadowNinja     VanessaE: Your indentation is messed up.
02:33 VanessaE        input
02:33 VanessaE        it's 4-space indentation in my editor, github is just making a mess of it.
02:34 VanessaE        except...someone sisn't use tabs here.
02:34 VanessaE        didn't*
02:34 VanessaE        I'll fix it later
02:34 ShadowNinja     if not (type(node.param2) == "nmber" and node.param2 > 0 and node.param2 < 16<or whatever the max is>)
02:34 ShadowNinja     number*
02:35 VanessaE               23.
02:35 VanessaE        ok
02:35 VanessaE        I'll do that
02:37 VanessaE        http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6554369/
02:37 VanessaE        like so?
02:37 ShadowNinja     VanessaE: Yep.
02:38 * VanessaE      commits it.
02:38 ShadowNinja     VanessaE: Wait.
02:38 * VanessaE      DOESN'T commit it :P
02:38 VanessaE        it must be some non-pipeworks node using the api badly maybe
02:38 ShadowNinja     VanessaE: You don't need to check if node.param2 exists if you do the type check.
02:38 VanessaE        true
02:38 VanessaE        good point
02:39 VanessaE        fixed.
02:48 VanessaE        ShadowNinja:  that last fix seems to have done it.
02:49 ShadowNinja     Good. Odd that someone was passing a non-number value.
02:50 VanessaE        maybe someone's trying to pass a table or something *shrug*
03:10 lordcirth       What is moreblocks:trap_glass supposed to do?  All I see is mese-coloured glass.  Where's the "trap" part?
03:18 VanessaE        you can pass through it
03:18 VanessaE        the idea is that it can be used to make traps in floors but it's hardly hidden
03:23 Nomeneiste      Good evening, do we have any kind of ETA (hard or soft) on the Vanessa Survival server outage? I am sure that a significant amount of work is being done (thank you!), and am just looking for a reasonable estimation. :-)
03:23 VanessaE        Nomeneiste: mods crashing a lot today
03:23 VanessaE        I'm trying to sort it now
03:25 Nomeneiste      Very good, VanessaE. Thank you for the update.
03:45 phantombeta     Hi!
03:45 VanessaE        hi
03:47 phantombeta     It has been such a long time since I last played minetest...
03:47 Exio4           same here!
03:48 phantombeta     I don't even remember when I last played minetest...
03:48 phantombeta     IIRC it was last year
03:49 VanessaE        well we're still here
03:49 VanessaE        and still somewhat healthy :)
03:58 phantombeta     Halp
03:58 phantombeta     In the "new world" window there's 5 mapgens to choose from...
03:58 phantombeta     what should I use?
04:01 phantombeta     Oh well, nevermind
04:02 VanessaE        use v6
04:03 VanessaE        it's the standard one
04:04 phantombeta     What's the difference between the mapgens?
04:05 phantombeta     e-e
04:05 phantombeta     I made a world some seconds ago, I think I used v7...
04:05 phantombeta     I spawned in a island made out of stone.
04:06 VanessaE        just different algorithms
04:06 VanessaE        indev is where a lot of development is done
04:06 VanessaE        v7 is a sort of next gen map generator
04:07 VanessaE        flat should be obvious
04:07 VanessaE        singlenode is for when you want lua to do all the work
04:07 VanessaE        v6 is the standard one
04:07 VanessaE        and I think there's a math-based one that's for fractal-based landscapes
04:10 phantombeta     heh, math generates some crazy shapes...
04:20 VanessaE        yup
04:57 Nomeneiste      Good evening, how goes the epic struggle for the fate of the VanessaE Survival World? Are the valient developers winning in this mighty battle?
04:58 * NekoGloop     hibernates on the couch
05:01 VanessaE        my world is back up now
05:01 VanessaE        it was a transitional bug, seems to be fixed now
05:14 Exio4           someone should make mods that make the math mapgen somewhat "survival playable"
05:14 Exio4           that would be fun to play
05:16 xiong           Okay, I ran a server successfully with no minetest.conf file at all. Worked surprisingly well, considering. Now I have a very small file and when I join with a client, my player is unable to punch a tree or dig dirt with a bare hand. The action on left-click is rather like that of a hoe: one movement then nothing, even if the mouse button is held. What does this smell like?
05:17 xiong           This seems to me to be a lack of interact.
05:22 NekoGloop       Exio4, get glooptest, use treasure chests
05:23 xiong           Yes, that was it.
05:24 xiong           Exio4, you're touching on an interesting point. What is it that you find unplayable?
05:44 xiong           Okay, the thing is up and publicly available. Testing-only server, no guarantees. mt103
06:27 phantombeta     ummm
06:28 phantombeta     How do I activate fly? it says I don't have fly privilege...
06:30 phantombeta     nvm
06:40 phantombeta     How many blocks is a node length?
06:41 VanessaE        a "node" is a single cube
06:41 VanessaE        and is generally taken to be 1m in size
06:41 VanessaE        a "block" or "map block" is 16x16x16 nodes/meters
06:41 VanessaE        a "chunk" unofficially means 5x5x5 mapblocks or 80x80x80 nodes.
06:42 phantombeta     Hmmmm
06:42 VanessaE        at least in minetest
06:42 VanessaE        in minecraft these terms may have a different meaning
06:43 phantombeta     So mese ore starts spawning 64 blocks below sea level?
06:43 VanessaE        64 meters yeah (but I thought it was 128 meters?)
06:44 phantombeta     the wiki says "Mese ore starts appearing from below 64 node lengths below sea level and the clusters will become larger from below 256 node lengths below sea level.".
06:45 VanessaE        *checks*
06:45 VanessaE        yep, you're right
06:45 VanessaE        starts at -64, goes down to -255
06:45 VanessaE        well the initial layer does
06:46 VanessaE        the amounts change as you get deeper
06:46 VanessaE        whole blocks start showing up at -1024
06:49 phantombeta     Since I'm kinda dumb, where sea level starts? the bottom of the sea? the surface?
06:49 VanessaE        the surface I think
06:49 VanessaE        or rather, half a meter below it
06:49 VanessaE        the dead center of a node is the zero position for that node
06:49 phantombeta     Uhhh
06:50 phantombeta     one meter is one block,right?
06:50 VanessaE        one node, yes
06:53 phantombeta     the wiki page for ores says "found at Y", shouldn't it be Z?
06:53 VanessaE        nope.
06:53 phantombeta     e-e
06:54 VanessaE        X and Z are the horizontal coords, Y is vertical
06:54 hoodedice       z is horz
06:54 hoodedice       Damn. ninja'd
06:54 VanessaE        too slow :)
06:54 phantombeta     e-e e-e e-e
06:54 hoodedice       crappy keyboard. Should be using my android to type...
06:54 hoodedice       Anyway
06:55 hoodedice       3+ questions. RAPID FIRE!
06:55 phantombeta     People on the zandronum IRC network have been telling me that Z is always vertical
06:55 hoodedice       Dafuq is nodeboxes?
06:55 hoodedice       Z may be vert for that game engine
06:57 phantombeta     I'll slap everyone who told me that Z is always vertical and that anything that doesn't use Z as vertical is wrong e-e
06:57 hoodedice       Go ahead,
06:58 hoodedice       Get some of them on this channel
06:58 hoodedice       We'll have an IRC war =D
06:58 phantombeta     most of them probably don't even know freenode
06:58 hoodedice       So. Much. Spam. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7973
06:59 hoodedice       VanessaE: there?
06:59 phantombeta     and I can't actually do that, or they will keep bitching that Z is always vertical in everything...
07:03 hoodedice       brb
07:22 VanessaE        I am now
07:22 VanessaE        had to argue with husband's box
07:22 VanessaE        linux at its finest...not
07:35 thexyz          weren't you migrating to fm?
07:35 VanessaE        not yet
07:36 VanessaE        soon though
07:36 VanessaE        if I ever find a moment free and am not too tired to avoid boneheaded mistakes :-/
07:39 VanessaE        I did however clone and build it on the VPS just to have it ready
08:02 hoodedice       back. FINALLY!
08:02 hoodedice       VanessaE: You migrating to FM too?
08:02 VanessaE        soon yes
08:02 hoodedice       =/
08:02 hoodedice       Anyway
08:02 hoodedice       1. Dafuq are nodeboxes?
08:03 VanessaE        unless the MT devs get their heads out of their asses and fix the lag and performance issues :)
08:03 VanessaE        nodeboxes are very simple boxy models
08:03 us{0gb          What is "FM"?
08:03 hoodedice       Freeminer
08:03 VanessaE        Freeminer
08:03 hoodedice       Ninja'd XD
08:03 VanessaE        you specify two sets of coordinates to create a little rectilinear box
08:04 hoodedice       Are nodeboxes those black outlines outside nodes?
08:05 VanessaE        multiple such boxes cna be strung together to create simple shapes, like what pipeworks uses
08:05 VanessaE        naw, that's a selection box
08:05 VanessaE        though the format of those is similar
08:06 hoodedice       Do we have any examples of what exactly a nodebox is?
08:07 VanessaE        look at some of Homedecor's objects
08:07 VanessaE        like the signs, tables, nightstands
08:07 us{0gb          Also look at stairs and slabs.
08:07 hoodedice       Ok, lets take the sofa
08:07 VanessaE        those all use nodeboxes
08:07 VanessaE        yes, stairs and slabs too
08:07 hoodedice       Ok stairs
08:07 us{0gb          And doors.
08:07 VanessaE        yep
08:07 hoodedice       So how exactly did you go about making stairs?
08:08 VanessaE        how do you mean?
08:08 us{0gb          Look at the source code. It's a list of box coordinates.
08:08 hoodedice       Did you start with a blender mesh?
08:08 hoodedice       That code, you wrote it by hand?
08:08 VanessaE        oh, no
08:08 VanessaE        purely text
08:09 VanessaE        node_box = { type = "fixed", fixed = {{ x1, y1, z1, x2, y2, z2 }, { x1, y1, z1, x2, y2, z2 }, { x1, y1, z1, x2, y2, z2 }, ...} }
08:09 VanessaE        for as many { x1, y1, z1, x2, y2, z2 } as you want to include
08:09 VanessaE        each { x1, y1, z1, x2, y2, z2 } specifies one box
08:10 VanessaE        once you assemble your model, you texture by projecting up to six textures onto the model as if the whole thing were just a simple cube
08:10 hoodedice       'by hand' I meant 'from scratch'
08:10 VanessaE        yep
08:10 VanessaE        the "oh no" was directed at the "blender" comment
08:12 hoodedice       OK, stopping the bush beating, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7102
08:12 VanessaE        rubenwardy wrote a nodebox editor/designer that makes it much easier, btw
08:13 VanessaE        but most nodeboxes are coded by hand
08:13 hoodedice       'coded by hand'? You guys are LEGENDS!
08:13 VanessaE        https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2840
08:13 VanessaE        yep.
08:13 VanessaE        ^^^ this will make it much easier, it'll export a nodebox to text that you can then directly include in a node def
08:14 hoodedice       But I want to make something complex, like the car thing
08:15 VanessaE        youcan't.
08:15 VanessaE        nodeboxes can't be textured that finely.
08:15 VanessaE        you can only design the raw 3d model and then project the textures onto it from the outside once it's complete
08:15 VanessaE        individual boxes can't be textured
08:17 VanessaE        hey taoki
08:20 hoodedice       Testures can be done with later
08:20 VanessaE        yes
08:20 hoodedice       Like what Melkor did.
08:20 hoodedice       So blending first
08:21 VanessaE        well if you're gonna make entities yeah
08:21 hoodedice       Then exporting to nodeboxes
08:21 hoodedice       Then writing (copying) the init.lua
08:21 VanessaE        no
08:21 VanessaE        don't use blender for that
08:21 VanessaE        that's way overkill
08:21 hoodedice       Ok.
08:21 VanessaE        use rubenwardy's nodebox editor
08:21 hoodedice       That's too underkill... or something.
08:22 hoodedice       I'll give it a shot though.
08:22 VanessaE        heh
08:22 VanessaE        no, underkill would be using vi to make them :D
08:22 hoodedice       vi?
08:22 hoodedice       That thing where keyboard commands are used
08:22 * us{0gb        shutters at the thought of vi
08:22 VanessaE        a text editor that pretends to be a command line
08:22 hoodedice       in place of arrow keys?
08:23 VanessaE        could be worse....could be emacs (a text editor that pretends to be an OS)
08:23 hoodedice       Ooookay. This thing looks weird.
08:23 us{0gb          I have no experience with emacs, but I know vi could be worse. Have you tried ed?
08:23 hoodedice       Why am I limited to a space of one normal node?
08:24 VanessaE        you aren't.
08:24 VanessaE        at least not in practice
08:24 VanessaE        but the issue is that textures will be repeated.
08:24 VanessaE        they'll tile
08:24 VanessaE        and then not always reliably
08:24 VanessaE        they'll tile fine vertically, but on some machines they won't tile properly horizontally
08:24 VanessaE        and they won't stretch, period.
08:24 us{0gb          Interesting.
08:25 VanessaE        so it's better to stay within one node, and make multiple separate nodes if you need something bigger
08:27 hoodedice_      CURSE EXTENSION CABLES!
08:28 VanessaE        ?
08:28 hoodedice_      Sister stepped on the power cable.
08:28 VanessaE        oops
08:28 VanessaE        time to buy a UPS.
08:28 hoodedice_      Switched off PC.
08:28 hoodedice_      UPS? That thing is like, so 1880
08:29 VanessaE        Uninterruptable Power Supply
08:29 VanessaE        a battery back-up about the size of a briefcase.
08:29 hoodedice_      I use that
08:29 VanessaE        oh ok
08:29 hoodedice_      In india.
08:29 hoodedice_      Not in modern countries
08:29 VanessaE        eh?
08:30 hoodedice       Where we have Uninterrupted Power Supply XD
08:30 hoodedice       (UAE)
08:31 hoodedice       What does this guy mean: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=113000#p113000
08:34 hoodedice       *Silence*
08:37 VanessaE        sorry, had to step away
08:38 VanessaE        yeah,
08:38 VanessaE        see, I don't know sproxel
08:38 VanessaE        but ruben's program chooses the simplest way to make a nodebox because you design the actual shapes in the editor
08:39 VanessaE        whereas I guess sproxel you are converting from some foreign format
08:39 hoodedice       But we do have a plugin for that
08:39 hoodedice       My model might be complex
08:39 VanessaE        where he speaks of 2x2x2, 16x16x16, etc he means measures of pixels
08:39 hoodedice       Wait.
08:40 VanessaE        what plugin?
08:40 hoodedice       The one in the link
08:40 hoodedice       python code to change the model into a nodebox
08:40 VanessaE        no, that's just a converter.
08:40 hoodedice       hmm
08:40 VanessaE        don't use it, it clearly produces inferior results
08:41 hoodedice       OK. Now why I dislike ruben's thing is:
08:41 hoodedice       1. It limits me to size = 1 nodebox
08:41 VanessaE        you want that.
08:42 VanessaE        nodeboxes larger than a whole node are glitchy.
08:42 hoodedice       2. I have to make at least 10+ nodeboxes to get a 'part' of what I want
08:42 hoodedice       That glitch wasn't fixed yet?
08:42 VanessaE        nope.
08:42 VanessaE        and it never will be
08:42 hoodedice       (lol)
08:42 VanessaE        for 2., you'll have to draw a lot more than that with sproxel/whatever it uses for the editor
08:43 hoodedice       But webdesigner's car is not 'THAT' glitchy
08:43 VanessaE        webdesigner's car is an entity
08:43 VanessaE        not a nodebox
08:43 VanessaE        it was done with blender or something similar
08:43 hoodedice       But he has all that nodebox code in it
08:43 hoodedice       I was gonna make an entity all along
08:44 hoodedice       And I feel stupid
08:44 VanessaE        he has nodebox code in the streets mod for things like stairs, slabs, signs, and the like
08:44 VanessaE        the car is an entity
08:44 VanessaE        hey rubem
08:44 VanessaE        ruben*
08:44 hoodedice       So enities...
08:44 rubenwardy      !up 95.84.168.231
08:44 VanessaE        we were just talking about you ;)
08:44 MinetestBot     95.84.168.231:30000 seems to be down
08:44 rubenwardy      Hi!
08:44 hoodedice       They don't need no nodeboxes?
08:44 hoodedice       Yo rubenwardy
08:44 VanessaE        nope.
08:45 VanessaE        they do not.
08:45 VanessaE        they use native model files
08:45 hoodedice       And how do I get these 'native model files'?
08:45 VanessaE        you create them in blender
08:46 rubenwardy      The new nodebox editor I am working on supports unlimited nodeboxes (it uses a linked list rather than an array)
08:46 VanessaE        save as .b3d, .obj, .x, etc.
08:46 VanessaE        minetest can use any format irrlicht supports
08:46 rubenwardy      Also, the old version has a setting under edit to make nodeboxes bigger than a node ("limiting")
08:47 hoodedice       All this discussion.
08:47 hoodedice       Is a result of my stupidity. I humbly apologize
08:47 rubenwardy      It's fine
08:47 VanessaE        ignorance.
08:47 rubenwardy      I like feed back
08:47 VanessaE        not stupidity.
08:47 hoodedice       Of course darn entities are different than nodes XD
08:47 VanessaE        ignorance is forgivable by way of simply learning.
08:47 VanessaE        which is what you are attempting to do.
08:48 VanessaE        stupidity isn't :)
08:48 hoodedice       hmm
08:49 hoodedice       Since rubenwardy's app is used to only make nodeboxes, I guess it is a good app for that
08:49 VanessaE        yepo
08:49 hoodedice       Entities would obviously be more complex blah blah blah
08:49 VanessaE        use it for nodeboxes, blender for models for entities, and gimp for textures.
08:49 VanessaE        perfect combination :)
08:49 rubenwardy      A future feature of the nodebox editor will be that you can link nodes together, and code is automatically generated generated to make them spawn together.
08:49 hoodedice       What if I say.... Paint Dot Net?
08:49 VanessaE        I like that, ruben, that's a good idea
08:50 VanessaE        hoodedice: I'd say "bite your tongue, heretic"
08:50 VanessaE        :)
08:50 rubenwardy      Or make a node bigger than a node size, and it splits it up into multiple nodes and links them together
08:52 hoodedice       I'm done here. Thanks a lot peeps. Later.
08:52 VanessaE        ight
08:52 VanessaE        night
08:52 VanessaE        missed.
08:55 rubenwardy      I am currently working on UI code :P
08:55 rubenwardy      NOT fun with irrlicht
08:55 VanessaE        cool
09:07 VanessaE        ok, I'm off for the night.
09:28 JamesTait       Good morning all; happy Mountain Day! :-D
09:39 Megaf           VanessaE, Hi, how do I stop my server now?
09:45 Megaf           If I started my server with "while true; do sleep 5; ./minetestserver ; done", then, how do I stop it?
09:48 JamesTait       Megaf, I guess you'd need to interrupt that loop; either Ctrl-C if it's running in your current console, or kill the shell process that's running the loop.
09:48 Megaf           ctrl c did not work
09:49 JamesTait       Megaf, you could set it up to run via init or upstart, which handles this stuff more nicely.
09:49 zash            Kill the shell under running the loop?
09:49 Megaf           JamesTait, How?
09:50 JamesTait       Megaf, what distro are you running this on?
09:50 Megaf           !up megaf.co.vu 30003
09:50 MinetestBot     megaf.co.vu:30003 seems to be down
09:50 Megaf           cool
09:50 Megaf           JamesTait, Debian
09:53 zash            Megaf: There's usually an example init script in /etc/init.d/skeleton
09:53 JamesTait       Megaf, do you know if that's using upstart?  I have a minetestserver config for upstart, but not for sysvinit or whatever the other one is (systemd?)
09:54 Megaf           JamesTait, I think zash said what I need
09:54 Megaf           thank you both
10:51 proller         https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Vicono+Inc.
10:53 VanessaE        "We're sorry, the requested URL was not found on this server"
10:53 proller         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=121596#p121596
10:55 VanessaE        *shakes head*
11:11 Megaf           http://megaf.co.vu/index.php/2013/12/11/hi-there-now-its-910-111213/
11:11 Megaf           at least in GMT -2
11:12 VanessaE        you missed a golden opportunity an hour before.
11:12 VanessaE        08:09:10 11/12/13.
11:13 VanessaE        :)
11:21 Megaf           nah
11:21 Megaf           difficult to sync seconds
11:21 Megaf           ShadowNinja, ping
11:21 VanessaE        heh
11:22 VanessaE        eBayers seem to be pretty good at it :P
11:22 Megaf           heh
11:22 thexyz          ebay?
11:22 Megaf           folks, I need a good way to protect land
11:22 thexyz          it raises your bid automatically, doesn't it?
11:23 Megaf           it would be cool something like I punch two corners in diagonal and it protect that area
11:23 VanessaE        it does, but some people still prefer the snipe method too
11:23 Megaf           Something like /protect1 PlayerName punch and then /protect2 PlayerName punch
11:24 Megaf           or, //pos1 then //pos2 (as in World Edit) and then //set_owner PlayerName
11:24 VanessaE        Megaf: /area_pos set
11:24 VanessaE        in the areas mod.
11:24 thexyz          what sucks is that goods can't teleport to russia instantly
11:24 Megaf           VanessaE, yesm this one? https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas
11:24 VanessaE        yup
11:24 thexyz          and instead they shall be processed by a monster russian post is
11:24 Megaf           VanessaE, but it says
11:25 Megaf           To protect an area you must first set the corner positions of the area. In order to set the corner positions you run: 1. "/area_pos set" punch the two border nodes. 2. "/area_pos set1/2" punch only the first or second border node. 3. "/area_pos1/2" set position one or two to your current position. 4. "/area_pos1/2 X Y Z" set position one or two to the specified coordinates.
11:25 Megaf           4 steps
11:25 VanessaE        Megaf: no.
11:25 Megaf           aint nobody got time fo dat
11:25 VanessaE        /area_pos set -- punch the corners.  /protect <description>
11:25 thexyz          which used to route everything through moscow, ignoring shortest paths and hard shit like this
11:26 VanessaE        shadow's text sorta makes it sound more complicated
11:26 VanessaE        thexyz: sounds like the post here, too
11:26 VanessaE        stuff might route through new york, taking it 200-300 km out of the way of a direct route from wherever to here
11:27 VanessaE        or it might just come here
11:27 VanessaE        it seems random, but if you ask the powers that be, they'll say they have a system, reasons.
11:27 VanessaE        bleh
11:28 Megaf           VanessaE, You mean punching like in World Edit?
11:28 VanessaE        yup
11:29 VanessaE        I use that method occasionally
11:29 VanessaE        /area_pos set ---- punch ---- punch ---- /set_owner ---- done.
11:29 VanessaE        (for you, /protect for the last step if you aren't the admin)
11:29 reactor         o/
11:29 thexyz          VanessaE: well the problem with russia is that it's big
11:30 VanessaE        I'll grant you that, it IS quite huge
11:30 Megaf           VanessaE, ok
11:30 VanessaE        but it's also quite empty, surely most of the population is gathered near the larger cities?
11:30 VanessaE        hi reactor
11:31 reactor         Russia is sparse, yes.
11:31 reactor         If you're going to conquer it, you should count its size and sparsity.
11:31 VanessaE        hm, mostly toward the western end, about as I figured
11:32 reactor         Yes. If you conquer the European part, the rest is easy-peasy.
11:32 VanessaE        still, fucking huge country
11:33 Megaf           VanessaE, does ShadowNinja has a website or something?
11:33 VanessaE        idk if he does or not
11:33 VanessaE        no doubt if he does, he's already shown it to me once before and I've just forgotten :)
11:33 Megaf           I'm adding hist github page hten
11:33 Megaf           then
11:33 Megaf           (to a blog post about areas)
11:35 VanessaE        ok, I'm gonna give sleep another try
11:36 VanessaE        Sleep, thou dost evade me as the darkness evades the morning sun.
11:36 VanessaE        or something.
11:36 VanessaE        ok, enough waxing poetic...I'm gonna start sounding like OldCoder soon :D
11:36 VanessaE        night all
11:38 reactor         Waxing?
11:39 reactor         Poetic is quite hairy, yes.
12:03 Megaf           VanessaE, do you still here?
12:21 Krock           hi
12:25 Megaf           can anyone join my server to help me test the areas mod please?
12:25 Megaf           !up megaf.co.vu 30003
12:25 MinetestBot     megaf.co.vu:30003 seems to be down
12:25 Megaf           That's a lie
12:25 Megaf           !up megaf.co.vu 30003
12:25 MinetestBot     megaf.co.vu:30003 is up (5295ms)
12:27 * Krock         joins
12:28 Megaf           Krock, Thanks, what name are you using?
12:28 Krock           Nobody
12:28 reactor         Nogroup
12:31 Megaf           Krock, I shut the server down
12:31 Megaf           thanks
12:31 Krock           i saw
12:31 Megaf           folks, how can I revoke the interact priv from everyone?
12:32 reactor         Look at the config.
12:32 reactor         default_privs
12:32 reactor         or privs_default
12:32 reactor         Or you mean, from everyone registered?
12:32 Megaf           yep
12:32 reactor         Well, this might require some sed.
12:32 Megaf           oh dear
12:32 troller         ANDROID rush on servers
12:34 Megaf           reactor, I have a lot of land actually protected with node_ownersip mod, but it seem like the areas mod will disable those protections
12:34 reactor         hmm
12:35 Megaf           even if I keep the node_ownership mod on
12:35 Megaf           they do share some commands, but use a different database file
12:38 Krock           then hange their command names
12:46 Megaf           hm, node_ownership and areas store stuff in a different way, so I can't reuse the node_ownerships database
12:49 Megaf           Krock, reactor proller__ Hi
12:49 Megaf           https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=121604#p121604
12:49 Megaf           any idea?
12:50 Krock           you could modify 1 mod to get it working with the old database
12:50 Krock           never have been worked with those but it should be possible
12:53 phantombeta     Hey guys, this is unrelated to what's being talked about, but, can you guys recomend me some mods?
12:53 Megaf           phantombeta, for a server or for singleplayer?
12:54 phantombeta     singleplayer
12:55 Megaf           hm
12:55 Megaf           phantombeta, for, plantlife, moretrees, moreores, moreblocks, mesecons, technic, pipeworks
12:55 Megaf           homedecor
12:55 Megaf           for is not a mod :P
12:56 Megaf           boats, carts
12:57 phantombeta     Uhhh, would the ones that generate stuff generate their stuff in existing worlds?
12:57 Krock           old generated chunks will not contain the nely added ores
12:57 Krock           *newly
12:58 phantombeta     ummm, how much blocks is a chunk?
12:59 Megaf           5x5x5?
12:59 Krock           16*16+16
12:59 Krock           * *16
13:02 phantombeta     Those mods should be in the mod database, right?
13:07 Krock           not all mods are in the mmdb
13:15 Megaf           Krock, I found the areas topic
13:15 Megaf           https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7239
13:15 Megaf           it says, Areas made with node_ownership can be converted with one simple command.
13:16 Krock           okay
13:16 Krock           the find it ;)
13:16 Krock           *then
13:17 Megaf           Ok, lets try it out
13:17 Megaf           To convert the area data from a node_ownership installation run /legacy_load_areas 0
13:19 Krock           omg
13:19 Megaf           Krock, could you please log in again and do the same test?
13:19 Krock           holy shit, it just was the: 11.12.2013 14:15
13:20 Krock           okay
13:28 phantombeta     Uhhh
13:28 phantombeta     is there any mod that adds mobs?
13:30 Megaf           can any of you suggests a mod or something to /respawn?
13:35 stormchaser3000 hi
13:37 Exio4           a mapblock is 16x16x16 nodes, and a chunk is (by default) 5x5x5 mapblocks
13:37 pitriss         Megaf: you can look into sources of my multispawn mod.
13:38 Exio4           the "chunk" definition is just something used internally for the mapgen
13:38 pitriss         phantombeta: mobf or simple mobs
13:38 phantombeta     I just found mobf xD
13:43 ibloat          Megaf, the mods you listed earlier for single player, will the also work on a multi player server?
13:44 Megaf           ibloat, yep, I use them in my server
13:45 Megaf           Krock, my server is segfaulting when I try to create a hollowcylinder with Wolrd Edit
13:46 Krock           hmm
13:46 Krock           maybe it has a incompatible mod there
13:46 Krock           else, no idea, never used worldedit
13:57 phantombeta     uhhh
13:58 phantombeta     is there any way to clear the ingame console
14:05 Krock           no, why?
14:06 Megaf           Kray, did the server crash?
14:06 Megaf           Krock, *
14:06 Krock           yup
14:06 Krock           !up megaf.co.vu 30003
14:06 MinetestBot     megaf.co.vu:30003 is up (398ms)
14:07 Megaf           nevermind, its back again, its was just a hickup
14:07 Krock           !up megaf.co.vu 30003
14:07 MinetestBot     megaf.co.vu:30003 is up (118ms)
14:07 Krock           can't connect
14:07 Megaf           6125 minetest  20   0  348m 133m 5828 S 103.2 13.5  13:48.30 minetestserver
14:08 Megaf           its using a lot of cpu
14:08 Megaf           I bet is that areas mod
14:09 proller__       no, its minetest
14:09 Megaf           proller__, well, it begun doing this with the areas mod
14:14 Megaf           such a good game with a lot of problems
14:14 Megaf           I just cant play it well
14:15 Megaf           how on Earth is it using so much CPU?
14:16 Megaf           Krock, Its behaving well now
14:16 Krock           I'll join later
15:18 OldCoder        VanessaE, do I "wax poetic" ? I think I mostly need to wax the car.
15:18 OldCoder        :P
15:26 sfan5           hi everyone
15:27 Krock           hi
15:37 hoodedice       I'll just leave this here: http://i.imgur.com/Av681uC.png
15:37 hoodedice       *sneak preview*
15:39 stormchaser3000 hi
15:42 hoodedice       Yo, But am not here
15:47 PilzAdam        Hello everyone!
15:56 Guest96125      hi there
15:56 Guest96125      oops
16:07 hoodedice       Jordach!
16:08 hoodedice       I decided to take up modelling too! http://i.imgur.com/Av681uC.png
16:09 sfan5           oh nice... someone one the forum finds it rude to explain things with examples..
16:10 PilzAdam        sfan5, you are so mean please go away
16:10 sfan5           and then he reports my post.. (for people who don't know: mods handle all the reports)
16:10 sfan5           no, really.. how is that mean? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=121623#p121623
16:10 hoodedice       Who?
16:11 hoodedice       That. guy
16:12 sfan5           I should probably link to this smart questions page..
16:12 sfan5           !questions
16:12 MinetestBot     someone thinks that your question is inaccurate or doesn't follow the guidelines. Read here how to make it right: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
16:12 sfan5           ah right.. there is it
16:13 hoodedice       Yaay! we blasted him XD
16:13 * hoodedice     High fives PilzAdam
16:13 PilzAdam        o/\o
16:16 sfan5           ''Seriously overusing smileys and color and fonts will make you come off like a giggly teenage girl, which is not generally a good idea unless you are more interested in sex than answers.''
16:16 sfan5           wat
16:16 sfan5           >interested in sex
16:16 hoodedice       where?
16:16 hoodedice       lol
16:16 sfan5           http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#formats last one
16:16 sfan5           !rainbow Am I doing this right?
16:16 MinetestBot     3A9m5 6I14 4d13o11i8n6g11 12t10h3i2s14 11r9i12g5h3t3?
16:16 hoodedice       XDXDXDX <3<3 dat wus awsum! XD
16:17 hoodedice       lololol
16:17 hoodedice       101010101
16:17 sfan5           I wonder if somebody is interested in sex with MinetestBot now..
16:17 hoodedice       I found a new quote!
16:17 sfan5           :D
16:18 sfan5           *bed stuff* lol
16:18 PilzAdam        hoodedice, lol
16:18 sfan5           hoodedice: do your think everyone will get that?
16:19 PilzAdam        !bedstuff hoodedice
16:19 hoodedice       I think everyone who is supposed to, will
16:19 PilzAdam        ^ sfan5 implement!
16:19 hoodedice       I'm pretty aserious about there being kds on this site
16:19 hoodedice       "aserious" lol *serious
16:19 sfan5           ^ PilzAdam DIY and pull request
16:20 sfan5           hoodedice: sex is not a swearing word
16:20 PilzAdam        Im  not doing bed stuff myself
16:20 * sfan5         giggles
16:20 hoodedice       Yeah, but a quick google stuff will take you places.
16:20 hoodedice       My 13 yr old bro found out about reproductive stuff by a search of 'rape'
16:21 FreeFull        Probably not the best way to find out
16:21 Megaf_          oh dear. I wish I could be playing right now, but I can't
16:21 hoodedice       Indeed
16:21 hoodedice       I was taught about it by peers in middle school
16:22 sfan5           '' She was shocked as her computer suddenly showed porn, she never saw something like that. She did not regret it. ''
16:22 sfan5           is that what happens when you search for bed stuff?
16:22 * PilzAdam      waits for someone to !g bed stuff
16:22 sfan5           Megaf_: at work?
16:23 hoodedice       More like http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/categories/departments/bedroom/10681/
16:23 sfan5           !gc bed stuff
16:23 MinetestBot     bed stuff: 481,000,000
16:23 hoodedice       481m!
16:23 hoodedice       lol
16:23 sfan5           dawww... I was hoping for 69,000,000
16:23 Megaf_          sfan5. yep
16:23 hoodedice       MT is getting too close to #porn, if there is one
16:23 sfan5           your manager does not allow employes to play minetest?
16:23 sfan5           what a shitty job /s
16:24 PilzAdam        Megaf_, are you sure this channel is save for work?
16:24 hoodedice       *safe
16:24 sfan5           PilzAdam: #minetest is not SFW ATM
16:24 PilzAdam        s/not SFW/NSFW/
16:25 sfan5           (that sentence woul dconfuse the fuck out of someone who does not know what NSFW and ATM mean)
16:25 sfan5           s/woul dc/would c/
16:25 hoodedice       Need For Speed, Automatic Teller Machine
16:25 sfan5           hm...
16:25 hoodedice       *Need For Speed: World
16:25 PilzAdam        hoodedice, yep, makes totally sense
16:26 sfan5           PA: #MT is NSFW ATM
16:26 sfan5           is that better?
16:26 hoodedice       +op
16:26 hoodedice       U NO HAS VOICE, HOODEDICE
16:26 sfan5           !op
16:26 sfan5           like that
16:26 PilzAdam        op party?
16:27 hoodedice       oooh
16:27 hoodedice       !op
16:27 PilzAdam        !op
16:27 sfan5           nah.. we can only do an op party when freenode netsplits again
16:27 PilzAdam        :-/
16:27 sfan5           !deop
16:27 sfan5           !op
16:27 hoodedice       Wut about NSFW ATM?
16:27 sfan5           !deop
16:28 * sfan5         is now away: Need to learn Latin :-(
16:28 Megaf_          we are in a meeting right now
16:28 hoodedice       Buh bye
16:28 sfan5           Megaf_: lol
16:29 hoodedice       PilzAdam: This guy has gone overboard.
16:29 hoodedice       https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=121646#p121646
16:29 hoodedice       My bad
16:31 PilzAdam        sfan5, *Nelson haha* you have to learn Latin!
16:31 hoodedice       PilzAdam: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7979
16:32 PilzAdam        seems legit
16:32 Megaf_          world edit is really easy to use
16:32 hoodedice       XD We are lunatics after all
16:32 Megaf_          and install
16:32 hoodedice       Megaf_: Indeed.
16:33 Megaf_          well. perhaps he's not having a good time
16:33 PilzAdam        glad he didnt speak to me first.... :-p
16:33 Megaf_          I would have some patience with him. just like you have with me
16:34 hoodedice       Posting in 5 different places is what bugged us
16:35 Megaf_          newcomers. they are just like to that
16:35 PilzAdam        its funny how posted it in "Bugs and problems"
16:35 Megaf_          perhaps a first time forum user
16:35 sfan5           PilzAdam: D-:
16:35 hoodedice       no
16:40 MegafAndroid    Hi?
16:42 hoodedice       Hi.
16:48 hoodedice       PilzAdam
16:49 hoodedice       https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7979 Inoducom's post
16:54 hoodedice       Mods? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7980 Should be in Modding General
16:59 Jordach         hoodedice, better
16:59 hoodedice       Dat lag, Jordach
16:59 Jordach         hoodedice, was playing the new Saints Row 4 DLC
16:59 hoodedice       Argh, Another Rockstar game?
17:00 hoodedice       darn you Jordach
17:01 Jordach         hoodedice, GTA is Rockstar
17:01 Jordach         Saints Row is Violition
17:01 hoodedice       oh
17:01 hoodedice       didn't know that
17:01 hoodedice       What's the ERSB?
17:01 Jordach                18
17:02 Jordach         it has almost all the boxes ticked on the back, except fear
17:02 hoodedice       Not for me then
17:02 Calinou         there is no 18 in ESRB
17:02 hoodedice       I don't play games with explicit sexual themes
17:02 Calinou         you mean 17+
17:02 Calinou         and it is PEGI 18
17:02 Calinou         "Fear" is only for PEGI 7 games
17:03 Jordach         hoodedice, the point of Saints Row is a joke now
17:03 hoodedice       ?
17:05 hoodedice       Dafuq is this rectifer?
17:05 hoodedice       XD
17:05 hoodedice       Man, this game aint for me
17:05 hoodedice       Later anyway peeps. Enough drama for one day
17:10 phantombeta     Hi
17:12 MegafAtWork     hi
17:13 phantombeta     'sup guys?
17:14 MegafAtWork     can someone give me voice in #Minetest-Dev? I cant talk there
17:15 MegafAtWork     Or I will ask just here
17:15 ShadowNinja     MegafAtWork: You need to use a real client.
17:15 proller__       about your laggy server? ;)
17:16 MegafAtWork     !up megaf.co.vu 30003
17:16 MinetestBot     megaf.co.vu:30003 is up (308ms)
17:16 MegafAtWork     actually ping is 150
17:16 MegafAtWork     and its not laggy
17:20 hoodedice       PilzAdam:
17:20 hoodedice       https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7979
17:20 MegafAtWork     ShadowNinja: Thanks for your areas mod, it works fine
17:20 ShadowNinja     MegafAtWork: YW, thanks. :-)
17:20 MegafAtWork     ShadowNinja: could it be possible to use MySQL to store it's data?
17:20 MegafAtWork     I'd like to make my server a distribuited server system
17:21 MegafAtWork     put various instances of the server in different servers, sharing a single db
17:22 ShadowNinja     Ehm, that would add a luasql dependency, which would require compiling.
17:22 ShadowNinja     And I'd prefer SQLite.
17:23 proller__       ShadowNinja can you make protected default sinn_wall ?
17:24 ShadowNinja     proller__: What do you mean? You can protect the whole world and grant sub-areas.
17:25 proller__       but everybody can write to signs in protected area
17:25 proller__       i use your areas mod
17:25 MegafAtWork     lunatics, yes, we all are
17:26 MegafAtWork     [15:26] <proller__> but everybody can write to signs in protected area
17:26 MegafAtWork     +1
17:26 ShadowNinja     proller__: That's intentional I guess. If you want them protected add a minetest.is_protected check to the signs mod.
17:26 ShadowNinja     (Or install locked_sign)
17:29 ShadowNinja     Should they be protected? http://strawpoll.me/848251
17:35 MegafAtWork     I gave my vote
17:37 ShadowNinja     ^ Open to anyone.
17:38 MegafAtWork     ShadowNinja: I published it on my servers site
17:38 ShadowNinja     MegafAtWork: What site?
17:39 Calinou         voted no
17:39 MegafAtWork     ShadowNinja: http://megaf.co.vu/
17:39 MegafAtWork     Calinou: I voted no too
17:40 MegafAtWork     because if it's protected, is protected and shouldnt be changed by one who can't change
17:40 specing         MegafAtWork: Aren't there locked signs, too?
17:40 MegafAtWork     Not buy default I think
17:40 specing         if so, enable public editing and make people use locked signs
17:41 MegafAtWork     ShadowNinja: Another good thing could be to have locked signs by default
17:44 MegafAtWork     nah what?
17:44 Calinou         sign + iron = locked sign
17:44 MegafAtWork     is it?
17:44 Calinou         why does it take so long to have locked sign/furnace in default game?
17:45 MegafAtWork     Heh, my girlfriend complains a lot about people stealing stuff from furnaces
17:46 MegafAtWork     I need someone to join my server and ask Gronx to come here on IRC
17:47 ShadowNinja     MegafAtWork: The legacy mods convert, eg, moreblocks:gold_block to default:gold_block.  You will probably wnt to keep them installed.
17:47 Calinou         john_minetest, we have locked chests and doors already...
17:47 Calinou         we need some decent base, please don't act like Debian does
17:48 ShadowNinja     MegafAtWork: And the creative mod does nothing if creative mode is disabled, so you can leave it.
17:48 MegafAtWork     ShadowNinja: hm, ok, I will leave legacy on on the next compilation, thanks
17:49 Calinou         yes, it really should :/
17:49 MegafAtWork     locked doors are pretty useless, just a stronger reason for a griefer to grief
17:49 Calinou         yeah
17:50 Calinou         you are supposed to respect them, MegafAtWork
17:50 MegafAtWork     I like locked door just to identify who built something
17:50 Calinou         it means, "don't enter" to respectful people
17:50 MegafAtWork     Calinou: yep, But I'm talking about griefers
17:50 Calinou         don't be so negative, not everyone is a griefer :)
17:50 MegafAtWork     not respectful kind of people
17:50 ShadowNinja     MegafAtWork: If you give your mods fly they can just fly up and use /area_pos2 rather than stacking.
17:52 MegafAtWork     ShadowNinja: I said staking just to make things easier to understand. Theres some persons on out staff that have a little diffcult with some stuff sometimes
17:53 ShadowNinja     Heh, ok.
17:53 MegafAtWork     ShadowNinja: That's what I really like with the areas mod, I works like the World Edit, I mean, it's really practical to use
17:53 MegafAtWork     just fly and set position to where you are
17:53 MegafAtWork     or punch the place
17:53 MegafAtWork     pretty neat
17:54 rubenwardy      Does minetest only support player Y axis rotation (ie: left/right) from lua, or can you do X/Z rotation?
17:54 Calinou         only Y axis I guess
17:54 Calinou         :(
17:54 ShadowNinja     ^
17:54 Calinou         too bad we can't see pitch of a player
17:54 rubenwardy      ie1z0, for https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=121667#p121667 , can you make coasters go upside down
17:54 rubenwardy      ah
17:54 MegafAtWork     also it would be cool head movement
17:54 rubenwardy      for gods sake
17:55 Calinou         head movement?
17:55 rubenwardy      *ie
17:55 ShadowNinja     Minetest's colision system doesn't support that anyway.
17:55 Calinou         nvm
17:55 Calinou         ShadowNinja, what does that have to do with collision?
17:55 Calinou         hitboxes could never rotate
17:55 ShadowNinja     Calinou: The hitbox should rotate with the player. The camera is anso hardcoded.
17:56 Calinou         the hitbox doesn't rotate with player
17:56 Calinou         both "selection" and "collision" boxes
17:56 Calinou         same applies to mobs
17:58 rubenwardy      PilzAdam: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=121670#p121670
18:02 MegafAtWork     Heh
18:02 MegafAtWork     He seems to be a good man
18:02 hoodedice       OMG rubenwardy Didn't know you liked it so much!
18:02 MegafAtWork     Just a frustrated man
18:03 rubenwardy      For a full good mod we need: stations, start levers, loop the loop, pillars, track (duh), crank track (speeds up player), cameras (decorative)
18:05 hoodedice       I did think of some stuff that could be implemented now
18:05 hoodedice       rails with gears, that pull the cart up
18:06 hoodedice       e do have power rails and brake rails
18:06 hoodedice       But diagonals need to be implemented (Will be buggy)
18:06 MegafAtWork     That's a long TODO list
18:07 MegafAtWork     :P
18:07 hoodedice       rails with gears?
18:07 hoodedice       New texture withe gears, copy paste the code from power rails
18:07 hoodedice       With some values changed
18:07 MegafAtWork     I sent Tx_RushFan a PM, I think it worked, hes much calm now
18:07 hoodedice       Indeed.
18:08 rubenwardy      Gears dont increase speed, they set speed kind of
18:08 rubenwardy      For going up hill
18:08 hoodedice       "with some values changed"
18:09 hoodedice       Lter, g2g in a hurry
18:11 MinetestBot     GIT: xyzz commited to minetest/minetest: Add Lithuanian translation. dfd1f87762 2013-12-11T10:10:56-08:00 http://git.io/Q8_kKw
18:16 thexyz          people are so mean :(
18:17 PilzAdam        ponies arent mean
18:18 rubenwardy      Ponies are fantasy creatures
18:20 MegafAtWork     VanessaE: kaeza: today I got a new build from github of homedecor, no crashes yet
18:21 MegafAtWork     perhaps land poneys rubenwardy
18:21 rubenwardy      Of course they are, they come in rainbow colours, no real animal does that
18:22 Jordach         !
18:22 Jordach         you nearly made me shit myself
18:23 Jordach         my notification was turned up and my headphones are on
18:24 Jordach         mhm
18:24 MegafAtWork     rubenwardy: narwhals are like poneys of the sea, and they do exist
18:24 Jordach         for debian based systems with clang
18:31 Jordach         john_minetest, my binary is debian based
18:31 MegafAtWork     [16:19] <rubenwardy> Ponies are fantasy creatures
18:31 MegafAtWork     [16:24] <MegafAtWork> rubenwardy: narwhals are like poneys of the sea, and they do exist
18:31 MegafAtWork     s/pony/unicorn
18:31 MegafAtWork     lol
18:33 rubenwardy      Of course they dont, they come in rainbow colours, no real animal does that
18:34 MegafAtWork     Adorable creature http://thumbnails.visually.netdna-cdn.com/narwhal-unicorn-of-the-sea_5029158744a44_w1500.jpg
18:35 * Jordach       us UV unwrapping ANGULAR ARMS
18:35 Jordach         got 'em working :D
18:35 Jordach         within 52 triangles (that's 1000 less than the smooth bends!)
18:37 Jordach         i fuckin' hate making drivers + attaching to bones
18:43 Jordach         gen 5 prototype coming along smoothly :P
18:44 thexyz          wow the /topic gets worse and worse every day
18:47 Calinou         fix it, really
18:48 PilzAdam        ^
18:48 Jordach         http://i.imgur.com/6Os3QwR.png
18:48 Jordach         !op
18:48 MegafAtWork     rubenwardy: sorry, but what does this do? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2840
18:48 thexyz          Calinou: I can't
18:48 Calinou         thanks :P
18:48 thexyz          I only haz +v
18:49 Jordach         you can always ask me :P
18:49 Jordach         and yes, i'm still working on my damn model :D
18:49 PilzAdam        thexyz, really?
18:49 thexyz          nice hope sfan5 stops with that weeaboo shit some day <3
18:49 thexyz          PilzAdam: really what?
18:50 PilzAdam        <thexyz> I only haz +v
18:50 thexyz          you can ask ChanServ in case you don't believe me
18:50 sfan5           Jordach: :-(
18:50 sfan5           atleast keep the kitten
18:50 Jordach         no
18:50 sfan5           but I wantz kitten
18:50 PilzAdam        sfan5, ##kittens
18:50 Jordach         ...am i the only sane person left here
18:50 PilzAdam        Jordach, no
18:51 PilzAdam        you are not sane
18:51 sfan5           lol
18:51 thexyz          regarding shitty community
18:51 rubenwardy      MegafAtWork, you can use it to make node boxes for mods
18:56 sfan5           wat
18:56 sfan5           19:56:16: ACTION[ServerThread]: CHAT: <Guest8754> I am a beautiful person.
18:58 thefamilygrog66 bonjour
18:58 sfan5           hi
18:58 Calinou         hi
19:00 thexyz          sfan5: is this another buildcraft player?
19:00 sfan5           dunno
19:00 sfan5           I can't detect that
19:01 thexyz          buildcraft still uses Guest*** names
19:05 thefamilygrog66 had to uninstall xchat, and replace it with hexchat - stupid 30 day trials...
19:06 Jordach         why not quassel?
19:07 sfan5           WTF
19:07 sfan5           why the fuck does Inocudom always talk about these RBA's shader
19:07 sfan5           +s
19:07 sfan5           I mean they are nice, but dude!
19:07 thexyz          thefamilygrog66: there's another option of, well, buying it
19:07 sfan5           >most of its members are more interested in talking about where they place their torches than talking about RealBadAngel's new shaders for Minetest
19:08 Jordach         we've seen shaders before
19:08 sfan5           also pretty ironic that this tx_rushfan guy sweared in the forum and now he says he's glad his daughter didn't go to the (unfriendly) minetest forums
19:10 sfan5           >At least minetest sucks for free, your average street corner only has proprietary hoes.
19:10 sfan5           plol
19:10 thexyz          ^ completely ignoring the fact of minetest forums unfriendliness, cherry-picking stuff
19:11 sfan5           fffuuuu! Signatures cannot be longer than 400 characters. Please reduce your signature by 13 characters.
19:12 thexyz          john_minetest: nice joke
19:13 thexyz          nice joke still
19:13 thexyz          > who is on the forums?
19:13 thexyz          like, everyone?
19:13 thexyz          I mean, for you it's probably hard to believe that the majority of Minetest players use Windows, is that right?
19:13 ShadowNinja     Should this and the folowing post be removed? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=121657#p121657
19:14 thexyz          indeed, but that doesn't mean that the majority of players use windows
19:15 thexyz          yes
19:15 thexyz          ShadowNinja: this topic definitely says something about the community
19:16 thexyz          I don't remember those times
19:17 Exio4           "he forums have been less active than normal ever since the end of last summer"
19:17 Exio4           does this mean the community has been busy because the summer ended?
19:17 Exio4           the forums have been less active..*
19:18 sfan5           I may be able to provide a num. of new posts a day statistic soon (based on http://5.231.56.127/forumstats.html )
19:18 sfan5           that will show whether the community becomes inactive
19:19 thexyz          > php
19:20 Warr1024        it doesn't seem fair that the forums are treated like the "official" community.
19:21 Warr1024        in MC, players had stable account usernames, while in MT it seems like the forum username has been used as a substitute...
19:21 thexyz          uhh? what do you mean?
19:21 Warr1024        For instance, I heard a bunch of discussion around the idea of per-player skins.
19:22 thefamilygrog66 thexyz, I suppose, if I felt like purchasing an IRC client - hexchat is a FOSS fork of it, anyway
19:22 thexyz          alright
19:23 Warr1024        one of the more popular ideas was to tie skins to forum accounts, e.g. through the avatar system...
19:24 Warr1024        I suppose if you're on Windows, signing up for the forums is probably easier than getting on IRC since web access generally doesn't require installing software, while IRC access generally does.
19:24 Exio4           haha
19:24 Exio4           it is funny
19:25 Exio4           the two scanners we have on my house
19:25 Exio4           work "somewhat easy" under linux
19:25 Exio4           but noone was able to get them working under windows
19:26 Warr1024        I've had plenty of experiences like that.
19:26 Warr1024        I had a DVD drive that slowly started crapping out, started refusing to read random DVD's.  After I wiped my machine and installed *n*x (might have been FreeBSD at the time) it worked perfectly ever since.
19:27 Warr1024        Scanners usually either work or don't work under unix.  They almost always *sort of* work under Windows, i.e. technically you can get images from them, but it usually involves jumping through all the hoops in the manufacturer's software.
19:28 thefamilygrog66 peripherals always work better on linux than on windows. fact.
19:28 thefamilygrog66 oh wait, I meant the opposite of that.
19:28 thefamilygrog66 haha
19:30 Jordach         ello Esteban_
19:30 Esteban_        Hello :D
19:32 Warr1024        so I ran into a weird issue with MT.  When I tried to connect to one particular server, one particular client would get hung up on the "node definitions" phase of connection.  It happens about 80% of the time, but with enough retries, I can often make it past.
19:32 Warr1024        The main thing that's special about that connection is that both nodes are on wifi, and get a lot of packet loss between the two of them, probably due to timing collisions and the like.
19:33 Warr1024        I wonder if there are points in the handshake where if a UDP packet gets lost, there's no retry/resume, and both sides just end up waiting for a hard timeout?
19:40 kahrl           sounds like a job for wireshark
19:41 kahrl           there is actually a (very outdated, but the basic things still work) dissector for the minetest protocol
19:44 Warr1024        hm, good point.  I should see if I can confirm the packet loss.  Thanks.
19:45 Warr1024        I was digging around in the protocol a while back and trying to figure out if it would be possible to patch the server with an API call that would let me push new/updated textures to the client at arbitrary points in the connection.
19:45 Warr1024        It looked feasible, aside from having to flush the appropriate caches on each end.
19:45 kaeza           greetings
19:46 Warr1024        hi kaeza
19:46 kaeza           Warr1024, such a patch would be awesome
19:46 Warr1024        kaeza, I had a lot of stability issues with your irc mod, until I installed LuaJIT...
19:47 kaeza           stability issues?
19:47 Warr1024        crashes.  Pilz helped me get backtraces, then mentioned that almost everyone running that mod runs luajit, which led me to try that.
19:47 Warr1024        I'll see if I can find the logs...
19:48 kaeza           that is weird, as it worked perfectly vefore on stock Lua
19:48 kaeza           -v+b
19:48 Warr1024        I'm on OpenBSD, so it could be (1) old or very date-mismatched ports, or (2) platform quirks...
19:49 Warr1024        I recently updated my OS and recompiled MT, only to find it wouldn't read my leveldb database anymore.
19:49 kaeza           ah that could be the reason too
19:49 Warr1024        Eventually, I figured out that I had installed leveldb 1.5.0 from ports, then updated to 1.15.0 over top of it.
19:49 kaeza           you see, it has only been reliably tested under Linux
19:50 Warr1024        upgrading apparently re-replaced it with the old one.
19:50 Warr1024        it seems weird that JIT, which is mainly a performance thing, would improve the stability, though.
19:51 kaeza           Warr1024, it does not seem to work at all on Windows, due to some quirks with the dynamic loader
19:51 kaeza           maybe there's some quirk on *BSD too with respect to that
19:51 kaeza           but yes, that seems weird
19:51 Warr1024        here's the crash: it's a double-free
19:51 Warr1024        http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6434793/
19:52 Warr1024        another possibility is that most OS's may simply silently ignore double-free's.  OpenBSD likes to kill processes for the slightest memory management violation.
19:52 Warr1024        original discussion between Pilz and I at http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-11-17#i_3442609.
19:53 thexyz          can't see double free there
19:53 Warr1024        oh, there's another paste later..
19:53 thexyz          this is an ordinary invalid block error
19:53 Warr1024        http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6434833/
19:54 Warr1024        it looks like it's a bug in the embedded copy of luasocket that's included with the ircmod.
19:54 vfs             the future of minetest?
19:54 thexyz          it's odd anyway
19:55 thexyz          why wouldn't it crash on linux? why wouldn't it crash with luajit
19:55 Warr1024        yeah, really.
19:55 vfs             minetest in cryengine is very strange...
19:55 Warr1024        linux could be explained by a more liberal policy towards double-frees.
19:56 Warr1024        but the jit thing is totally weird.
19:56 thexyz          glibc detects double-free, doesn't it?
19:56 Warr1024        I don't run enough linux stuff to know for sure.
19:56 Warr1024        or at least I've never seen a process crash out completely because of one.  No telling whether that's due to a lack of double-free's in the software, or due to silently ignoring them.
19:57 thexyz          I had errors like "*** glibc detected *** XXX: double free or corruption"
19:57 thexyz          but I haven't tested luasocket
19:57 thexyz          I'm not sure why would anything ignore it
19:58 Warr1024        well, double-free's usually point to poor tracking of pointer use, so it's good policy to crash on double-frees and force the developer to fix them.
19:59 Warr1024        however, technically you could safely ignore them, since the dev is really just signalling intent to no longer use a pointer he/she should already not have been using, and let the program see if it can continue (at least until it's next sloppy-pointer-use crash).
20:00 Warr1024        it depends on whether you expect your target users to be developers or innocent users :-)
20:03 Warr1024        iirc, a copy of luasocket is embedded in ircmod, but a copy of lua is not (though it is embedded in MT).  a copy of libc is not embedded in either.  I imagine it wouldn't be too hard for them to get out of sync.
20:04 Warr1024        My particular setup can be extra-messy since I run MT out of a repo that embeds a copy of MT, ircmod, some other mods, and leveldb, and wraps them all in a build process...
20:05 thexyz          what could go wrong
20:06 thexyz          oh
20:06 thexyz          jetbrains better release their c++ ide until christmas
20:07 Calinou         better make it cost $500 and make it require an EULA
20:08 thexyz          you haven't used any of their IDEs, have you?
20:08 Calinou         no
20:09 rubenwardy      Bye all!
20:09 thexyz          they cost reasonable prices (100$ personal python ide license), often have free open source "community editions" and generally are The Best Thing(s) Ever
20:10 thexyz          and they're free for open source projects of course
20:10 Calinou         $100 isn't really reasonable
20:10 thexyz          what is then?
20:10 Calinou         less than $40
20:10 Calinou         (and I'm being nice)
20:10 thexyz          we're talking about commercial usage
20:11 thexyz          no, you're being stupid <3
20:11 thexyz          this tool helps you make monies
20:11 thexyz          100$/year is perfectly reasonable
20:11 Calinou         what if you don't manage to make monies?
20:11 thexyz          your fault
20:11 thexyz          don't buy it then? dunno
20:11 Calinou         that's my point
20:12 Calinou         there are free as in beer and as in freedom IDEs.
20:12 thexyz          but they suck
20:12 thexyz          the only problem
20:12 Calinou         they really don't, learn how to use them
20:12 thexyz          lol
20:12 thexyz          Calinou: do you use any of them?
20:12 thexyz          Calinou: any good python ide you can suggest me?
20:12 Calinou         no
20:12 thexyz          meh
20:13 Calinou         I use geany, but as a text editor
20:13 thexyz          then it looks like trolling, sorry
20:13 kaeza           IDLE
20:13 Calinou         not trolling
20:13 thexyz          because you really have no idea of the subject you're talking about
20:13 Calinou         I do
20:13 kaeza           oh wait, you said "good", then no
20:13 thexyz          no, you don't since you've never used pycharm
20:13 thexyz          kaeza: yeah, yeah, i did, it's easy to miss
20:14 thexyz          Calinou: so any good truly free python IDEs (hint: pycharm has open source edition)
20:14 thefamilygrog66 geany, ftw
20:14 Calinou         is that version of pycharm open source?
20:15 thexyz          http://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/download/
20:15 thexyz          yes, community edition is free and open source
20:15 thexyz          but say I need Django support to, well, develop sites or something? are there any open source alternatives?
20:15 Jordach         notepad++ doesn't suck
20:15 Calinou         ah ok
20:16 thexyz          Jordach: lol
20:16 thexyz          meh, it's boring to talk with people who haven't used those editors/ides but have the most rightest opinion ever
20:17 Calinou         rightest isn't a word :P
20:17 thexyz          still luv you <3
20:18 Calinou         better love your anime
20:18 thexyz          no, because anime makes you stupid
20:22 Warr1024        I always tried to avoid using IDE's because often I'll find myself needing to develop for or debug on different platforms that can't run an IDE...
20:23 Warr1024        it might sound pathological, but if you're used to doing all your development using plain vi, tmux, and a borne-compatible shell, it's hard to be disappointed by what any platform has to offer.
20:23 Jordach         vi
20:23 Jordach         really
20:23 Jordach         GNU Nano ftw
20:24 Jordach         i use it for all of my work at college
20:24 Warr1024        I used to use pico back in the day.
20:24 Calinou         I use nano if I edit in a terminal
20:24 Warr1024        vi has a steeper learning curve, but the automation is nice once you learn it.
20:24 Calinou         I never tried to learn vim
20:24 Warr1024        I never learned vim either.
20:25 Calinou         vi or vim
20:25 Warr1024        it's not intuitive.
20:26 Warr1024        vi is basically the kind of software that Larry Tesler crusaded against.
20:26 Warr1024        but it has the advantage of being nearly uniquitous on unix-likes.
20:27 Warr1024        gedit?  isn't that x11?
20:27 kaeza           butterflies!
20:27 Calinou         gedit is GNOME's text editor
20:27 Warr1024        ah.
20:28 zash            vim is very powerful but one needs to learn it first
20:30 Warr1024        I don't really use vi because I *like* it per se.  I've had issues with key mappings getting messed up, and I'd never get used to the hjkl navigation, and vi is pretty hard to use with bad ESC key bindings.
20:30 Sokomine        kaeza: aspiremints animals contain butterflies :-)
20:30 Warr1024        it's just that there have been times in the past where I had to edit config files on a machine running off a 100MB flash drive, and learning vi is pretty much the only option...
20:31 Sokomine        it's also pretty efficient to navigate once you've learned the basics of vi. no long paths for the fingers, no need to catch a mouse
20:32 Warr1024        Haha, I just remembered back when I was in college and getting annoyed at learning the key sequences for either vi or pico: I ended up writing a windows app in VB that downloaded a text file off the unix server, edited it in a notepad-like interface, then "saved" it by re-uploading.  Man that was such a hack.
20:34 Warr1024        well, syntax highlighting could be nice.  I'd make a lot fewer unterminated string constant errors that way.
20:35 Calinou         there is syntax highlighting in nano
20:35 Calinou         I don't know how to enable it though :/
20:35 Warr1024        one nice thing about vi is that I can do a "72i-[ESC]" to insert a nice 72-char ascii horizontal rule.
20:35 Calinou         <john_minetest> I also wonder why people need more than nano
20:36 Calinou         that's like saying "I also wonder why people need more than ioquake3" when talking about game engines :/
20:38 Warr1024        Being able to comfortably do real work using primitive tools is a useful skill to have.
20:40 ibloat          itellij/pycharm with the vim plugin works quite okay
20:40 Warr1024        performing well on modest hardware is really nice too.
20:43 Calinou         you should still advance
20:43 Calinou         eg. ioquake3 has a CPU bottleneck on map rendering that modern engines do not have
20:43 ibloat          thexyz, maybe i'm blind, but i didn't see eclipse mentioned. works okay for django projects
20:46 thexyz          ibloat: I heard eclipse is bloated and slow
20:46 thexyz          is that no longer true?
20:47 thexyz          typical open source project docs http://cgdb.github.io/docs/index.html
20:47 Calinou         not funny
20:48 thexyz          what is?
20:48 Calinou         since you're going to complain about everything in the docs...
20:48 thexyz          why?
20:48 thexyz          I'm not
20:49 thexyz          I just thought it's funny
20:49 thexyz          am I not allowed to joke about open source projects documentation from now on?
20:49 kaeza           very drama, such wow
20:50 Warr1024        though given the choice between improving the docs and improving the code...
20:50 Calinou         it is not funny, because it is not the reality
20:50 Calinou         Warr1024, improving docs can be done by non-coders ;)
20:50 Calinou         it is very time consuming too :/
20:50 Warr1024        for those projects lucky enough to have non-coders willing to donate time and energy.
20:51 thexyz          but it is
20:51 thexyz          look at this page?
20:51 thexyz          Calinou is being overly serious
20:51 Calinou         it sounds like you are serious
20:52 Jordach         ...for once
20:52 EvergreenTree   'ello
20:52 thexyz          by the way, looks like this is a nice gdb interface after all
20:52 thexyz          eh
20:52 thexyz          whatever
20:52 Warr1024        sadly, I have a lot of software projects that I'm planning on open-sourcing, but don't want to share because I'm embarrassed about the almost-complete nonexistence of documentation of any kind...
20:52 Jordach         \o/
20:54 Calinou         Warr1024, don't be embarrassed: the community can help and we really don't shame people for that.
20:54 Warr1024        :-)
20:55 Calinou         which kind of software projects do you make?
20:55 Warr1024        but documentation serves an aesthetic purpose as well, as a way of displaying pride in your work... and that serves a functional purpose as well in letting your users know how confident they should be in the code.
20:56 Warr1024        I write a lot of little automation scripts, some trivial, some significant.
20:56 Warr1024        a lot of integration work.
20:56 Calinou         some projects need little or no documentation
20:57 Warr1024        like http://gitorious.org/warr1024/szhosts for instance
20:58 Calinou         gitorious has a new UI :o
20:58 Warr1024        it's the inventor's paradox: sometimes solving a particular problem is most easily done by creating a general-purpose tool that solves all similar problems.  After a while, you accumulate a lot of neat reusable bits and pieces that maybe someone else could use...
20:58 EvergreenTree   <offtopic>One thing I'd just like to just throw out there, conky is awesome</offtopic>
20:58 thexyz          yeah, they switched to bootstrap it seems
20:58 sfan5           !g conky
20:58 MinetestBot     sfan5: http://conky.sourceforge.net/
20:58 Warr1024        yeah, gitorious' new UI messed with me a bit, as one of the OTHER scripts I have automatically scrapes their UI for repos owned by a particular user (in my case, me) and downloads them all, to keep local mirrors of all my projects... :-)
20:59 sfan5           yay,yay,yay
20:59 MinetestBot     GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Better installation instructions. https://gi 2013-12-11T12:58:58-08:00 http://git.io/qRNhbw
20:59 sfan5           I finally found what I was searching for
20:59 Calinou         woah, the gitorious UI looks like github
20:59 sfan5           ..
20:59 Calinou         according to the homepage
20:59 thexyz          Calinou: no, github ui actually looks good
21:00 Calinou         it seems to look simpler, that's all
21:00 Warr1024        Their new UI just looks different to me, not necessarily better or worse.
21:00 EvergreenTree   Hey Uberi!
21:00 Jordach         anyone want to mest my prototype gen 5 model?
21:00 Uberi           hey EvergreenTree :)
21:00 Jordach         test*
21:01 Calinou         hi EvergreenTree and Uberi
21:01 Uberi           o/
21:01 Calinou         (\
21:02 EvergreenTree   /)
21:02 Jordach         \o/\o/\o/\o/
21:03 ibloat          thexyz, compared to pydev eclipse feels slow and bloated. it does work though
21:03 EvergreenTree   (*.*)/
21:04 EvergreenTree   sfan5, what were you searching for?
21:04 sfan5           conky
21:04 EvergreenTree   It is configured via an html-like file
21:04 EvergreenTree   inthe home directory
21:04 EvergreenTree   You can use lua and python scripts with it as well
21:06 Calinou         ibloat, see your nick
21:07 Calinou         EvergreenTree, I prefer having CPU/RAM/network usage/battery bars in panel, instead of using conky
21:07 Calinou         less time spent configuring stuff, less CPU used for displaying the stuff
21:08 EvergreenTree   Calinou, nicer looking though
21:08 Calinou         but not very efficient :P
21:09 Calinou         the stuff I use looks fine for me, it's just a simple 24px high bar
21:09 Calinou         accurate enough
21:12 thexyz          ibloat: I see, thanks
21:16 Jordach         obligatory desktop http://i.imgur.com/I1rV9k4.png
21:22 sfan5           Jordach: the home icon is cute <3
21:23 thexyz          nice, i like how this vim plugin doesn't work and tells me it's my fault and kindly says i should go read the docs
21:24 EvergreenTree   obligatory desktop screeny #2 http://i.imgur.com/Skzfh0f.png
21:24 EvergreenTree   panels auto-hide
21:26 thexyz          http://i.imgur.com/d4aM0Is.png
21:30 MinetestBot     GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest_game: Rework screwdriver and add protection support 64fdb49a32 2013-12-11T13:10:17-08:00 http://git.io/IJ-VrA
21:30 thexyz          meeh
21:33 Calinou         EvergreenTree, try using hexchat instead of xchat, it has security updates and new features ;)
21:33 Calinou         there's a PPA for *buntus
21:33 Calinou         http://hexchat.github.io
21:34 EvergreenTree   mkay
21:34 EvergreenTree   I might switch
21:34 thexyz          oh that windows screenshot with #gentoo
21:36 Calinou         how I IRC on netbook: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82342922/temp/Capture%20d'%C3%A9cran%20-%2011122013%20-%2022%3A35%3A06.png
21:38 Jordach         Calinou, not bad
21:39 Jordach         you actually got the weather widget working
21:39 Jordach         didn't work for me :(
21:39 Calinou         it's not hard, just add it, right click, properties, set your city
21:39 Calinou         there is even up to 10 day forecast if you click (not very accurate :P)
21:39 Jordach         tried, couldn't find mine
21:39 Calinou         put a city that is near yours
21:40 Calinou         my exact city is in it, I'm lucky :p
21:40 thexyz          > 2014
21:40 thexyz          > not getting colorhug
21:40 thexyz          > not getting perfect colors
21:40 thexyz          > not helping open hardware
21:40 Calinou         colorhug? perfect colors? open hardware?
21:41 thexyz          all those strange words, eh?
21:41 Calinou         what do you mean? I know what's open hardware, but why?
21:41 thexyz          why what?
21:46 PilzAdam        bye
22:08 MinetestBot     GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Implement search tab and version picker 4ccaa6d0af 2013-12-11T14:07:38-08:00 http://git.io/xKU4Pg
22:33 BlockMen        night everyone
23:22 Exio4           and since it's coded in C, it's quite slow. Not really worth the download.
23:22 Exio4           because fuck logic!
23:23 OldCoder        Logic is bad! :P
23:26 iqualfragile    Exio4: what are you talking about?
23:27 Exio4           http://25.media.tumblr.com/d12b4ada51455cdc5484ac8e9d67b996/tumblr_mx6wzyqi3E1r40ns1o1_1280.jpg
23:27 Exio4           errr
23:27 Exio4           sorry XD\
23:27 Exio4           not that
23:27 Exio4           http://www.zophar.net/tg16/tg16-emu.html
23:27 Exio4           don't open the link btw
23:27 Exio4           it posted in some other channel for trolling and didn't remember i had it my clipboard
23:28 kaeza           O_o
23:28 OldCoder        ?
23:29 Exio4           the image
23:29 kaeza           Exio4, it would be faster if it was written in Javascript! </lamefun>
23:29 Exio4           ha
23:30 paramat         I have a wieldhand texture to contribute https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/222 but should this be as a pull request from a topic branch of my own fork?