IRC log for #minetest, 2013-12-05

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00:45	Megaf	1m36 seconds, is this a good time to compile the master branch?
00:45	Megaf	http://paste.debian.net/69432/
00:46	Megaf	wow, new shaders
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00:59	Megaf	Im a good mood, and Minetest have to do to keep me in a good mood is not crash
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02:58	Dogzill131	how to you charge a battery box?
02:58	Dogzill131	Also, whats the recipe to make a electric furnace?
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03:05	ShadowNinja	Dogzill131: Connect a power source, switching station, and battery box with cables.
03:06	Dogzill131	ok, thanks
03:07	ShadowNinja	Dogzill131: As for the recipe: https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/blob/master/technic/machines/LV/electric_furnace.lua
03:07	Dogzill131	thanks again :)
03:08	RavonTUS	Greetings, I have a wierd request for help...MT crashes but the error mess is cut off mobf.lua: 505: attempt ???? So, I can't troubleshoot.
03:08	RavonTUS	Any suggestions for tweaking the screen in Ubuntu or MT to see the message??
03:11	Enke	If what I know is correct, you can find a full debug.txt in the bin folder.
03:17	RavonTUS	ok I'll look.
03:20	ShadowNinja	RavonTUS: You can also check the terminal output.
03:20	ShadowNinja	If you're using windows I believe one is spawned automatically.
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03:22	RavonTUS	Didn't see it in bin. :(
03:22	stormchaser3000	hi
03:22	stormchaser3000	didn't see what in bin
03:22	stormchaser3000	?
03:23	RavonTUS	looking for a debug log, if one exist.
03:24	ShadowNinja	RavonTUS: It will be in the working directory, which is wherever you started it from.
03:25	stormchaser3000	look in .minetest
03:25	stormchaser3000	in your homefolder
03:26	stormchaser3000	(it is where mine is)
03:26	stormchaser3000	but did you do a run in place build?
03:27	RavonTUS	agh!!!! Sitting right in front of me. Thanks Stormchaser.
03:27	stormchaser3000	no problem
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03:30	stormchaser3000	hi OldCoder
03:31	OldCoder	hi
03:36	RavonTUS	Should my debug log be filling up with [ 13.930000]MOBF: error calculation consumed time: 13930 --> 13930
03:37	OldCoder	probably not
03:37	RavonTUS	:)
03:40	stormchaser3000	lol
03:49	RavonTUS	Thanks for the help, night all.
03:49	Enke	well, optimally, your debug should have no errors...
03:49	RavonTUS	yeah, I should have word that better. :)
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03:52	NekoGloop	http://i.imgur.com/x49FZXe.png gg youtube
04:19	NakedFury	any news on MT development?
04:20	NekoGloop	Development?
04:20	NakedFury	anything new
04:22	NekoGloop	What's development?
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04:42	Sokomine	ups! found a nyan cat in my singleplayer world
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04:55	hoodedice	VanessaE
04:56	VanessaE	hi
04:57	hoodedice	Do you have a comprehensive list of all missing mods?
04:57	hoodedice	I think I'll open up a forum thread for all rphaned mods
04:57	hoodedice	*orphaned
05:00	Sokomine	how do you define if a mod is oprhaned?
05:00	NakedFury	abandoned
05:01	hoodedice	A. The developer has quit premanently. And has voiced so
05:01	hoodedice	Ex: Cornernote, DanD
05:02	hoodedice	B. The developer has just left the site, leaving his mods to rot.
05:02	hoodedice	Ex: THIS: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5185
05:03	Sokomine	hmm. a) might be detectable to a degree. b is far more difficult.....
05:03	hoodedice	If download links are down, we can count it as being orphaned/.abandoned
05:04	hoodedice	C. The developer does not want to develop his mods further, and has voiced so.
05:04	hoodedice	Ex: None XD
05:04	NakedFury	for B we could say a 6 to 1 year period
05:04	Sokomine	ah. yes. hopefully someone has a copy stored for such cases
05:04	hoodedice	I would think that even a 6 month period would suffice
05:05	Sokomine	not all mods really need further development. it depends on the mod...sometimes they're already fine enough
05:05	hoodedice	Indeed.
05:05	hoodedice	But some examples of those that may need further dev may be Cars and RealTest Revamped
05:06	hoodedice	Paramat adopted Cars though
05:07	Sokomine	perhaps it might be a good idea to supply downloadable versions attached to the first posting for all mods
05:07	hoodedice	?
05:07	Sokomine	that would be especially fine for those hosted on not-working platforms (such as mediafire)
05:08	Sokomine	vanessa: hm, did you change the textures of the leaves in rt? i somehow don't manage to get them to display normal again :-(
05:08	hoodedice	mediafire: Not working?
05:09	hoodedice	Should also add somewhere that certain sites like omdlr should not be used
05:10	NakedFury	why?
05:10	VanessaE	Sokomine: I did. you have to trim the padding off the top and bottom of all the leaves images
05:10	VanessaE	they're sized to be displayed with the plantlike draw type.
05:10	hoodedice	NakedFury: ompdlr is down
05:10	hoodedice	Anddamn unreliable
05:11	hoodedice	I think people should use bigger hosting sites like Google Drive, or Ubuntu One
05:11	hoodedice	Or maybe Wuzzy
05:12	Sokomine	mediafire seems to require javascript -> does not work
05:12	hoodedice	Sorry, I meany *Wuala
05:13	hoodedice	JS? Oh Damn you Stallman XD
05:13	hoodedice	I still don't get what is so wrong with JS?
05:13	Sokomine	what about the forum hosting? if it's attached directly to the posting the mod can be downloaded at the same time (and with the same reliability) as the posting describing the mod and attracting the player
05:13	Sokomine	most mods are pretty small
05:14	Sokomine	hoodedice: downloading a file just doesn't require javascript. it can be done excellent without (unless the site in question wants to do questionable things which do need javascript)
05:14	hoodedice	And that's why I don't get why they don't use GitHub at all!
05:15	Sokomine	it would be ok in situations where js is required for a functionality that cannot be done otherwise
05:15	Sokomine	perhaps some modders don't know how to use github or don't have the time to learn it
05:15	hoodedice	So everyone turns off JS when downloading stuff?
05:15	Sokomine	the forum attachment function is excellent for these cases
05:15	Sokomine	no, wrong. js gets turned on on rare occasions
05:16	hoodedice	Hmm, forum attachment gets one over mmdb
05:16	hoodedice	Oh boy, you evaders!
05:17	Sokomine	mmdb is also very fine. both ought to be supported :-) plus a github repro. the easiest for modders might be to just use the forum attachment
05:19	hoodedice	If the NSA really knew what was in my Google Drive, they would've killed me by now! XD
05:23	hoodedice	Sokomine: Didya check out my handstand mod?
05:23	Sokomine	most likely they don't care. they'll take a closer look if you become more important i guess. the real problem with the nsa and co is more complex
05:24	hoodedice	They gave me an F1 visa.
05:25	hoodedice	Maybe they'll get me at the airport lol
05:31	hoodedice	Later
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05:35	VanessaE	omg, they got him!
05:35	VanessaE	:D
05:36	Sokomine	hope we got a backup somewhere :-)
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06:24	xiong	What do grass and jungle grass need to spread? Water? No neighbors within what radius? Special conditions?
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06:30	VanessaE	afaik the grasses don't spread.
06:30	VanessaE	or do they? I forget.
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07:02	reactor	Morning.
07:02	reactor	Anyone using vim on a regular basis, here?
07:02	reactor	Why doesn't it want to save to read-only files all of the sudden?
07:03	reactor	(I own the files)
07:03	reactor	nvi saves to them just as fine, with the ":w!"
07:07	VanessaE	vi*? evil.
07:13	reactor	You know what, I do not like reaching for the navigation keys with my pinkies.
07:16	* VanessaE	shrugs
07:17	VanessaE	the way I figure it, if I wanted a command line, I wouldn't have launched an editor :P
07:18	reactor	?
07:18	reactor	I don't use GUI editors.
07:18	VanessaE	^^^ why I don't like vi (and hence use nano or gedit, as appropriate to the situation)
07:19	reactor	Mkay.
07:20	VanessaE	though I find myself missing jpico sometimes :)
07:21	reactor	You're trolling, right?
07:21	VanessaE	nope.
07:22	VanessaE	I cut my teeth on pico.
07:22	VanessaE	jpico (joe with pico/nano-esque key bindings) later, then nano, then finally to gui-based apps when I got tired of doing everything in the terminal.
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08:08	VanessaE	bbl
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08:51	hoodedice	So
08:51	hoodedice	Github doesn't include the WTFPL license
09:03	hoodedice	Hmm, how do I upload stuff to GItHub again?
09:18	hoodedice	Bash me, but I like GithHub for windows
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09:30	JamesTait	Good morning all; happy Ninja Day! :-D
09:31	hoodedice	Yo
09:32	hoodedice	Damn I didn't know that!
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09:41	JamesTait	hoodedice, I guess they slipped it by us all, unnoticed. ;)
09:41	hoodedice	XD
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09:54	reactor	Hello everybrony.
09:55	reactor	But not every human is a pony inside.
09:55	reactor	Only bronies are a pony inside.
09:55	reactor	Okay?
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10:01	reactor	I have been inside.
10:01	reactor	I have seen it.
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10:03	reactor	Megaf: you said you were not coming back.
10:04	Megaf	I will always come back when something works
10:04	Megaf	minetest is working now
10:04	Megaf	well, not the new shaders
10:05	hoodedice	...
10:05	Megaf	john_minetest, when I enable the new shaders of master branch, everything turns dark
10:05	Megaf	really dark
10:05	hoodedice	intel?
10:05	hoodedice	intel.
10:05	Megaf	the sky is blue and everything else is dark
10:06	hoodedice	intel indeed
10:06	Megaf	nope, AMD Radeon HD 4200, with open source radon driver
10:06	Megaf	brb
10:20	specing	yestersday I got trapped in the protector rock user interface
10:21	specing	stuck again
10:21	specing	how do I escape it?
10:21	specing	esc doesen't work :/
10:21	reactor	Megaf: you said you weren't coming back eh.
10:21	reactor	That's door-slamming.
10:22	specing	Megaf: get rid of that radeon and get an nvidia
10:22	specing	or intel
10:22	specing	just not ... radeon blegh
10:23	specing	I could say that for radeon
10:23	reactor	NVIDIA works under FBSD.
10:23	reactor	Does Radeon work?
10:23	specing	nvidia always worked for me
10:24	specing	Intel is nice, they have official opensource drivers
10:24	specing	Now
10:24	reactor	Does Intel do 3D graphics?
10:24	specing	How do I escape the protector UI?
10:24	specing	reactor: yes
10:24	specing	reactor: I played lincity the other day on it
10:24	reactor	Good.
10:24	specing	will do the same with minetest once I start that machine again
10:24	specing	on HD2500
10:25	reactor	So, does Radeon work on BSD?
10:25	hoodedice	(Intel doesn't even work on windows)
10:25	hoodedice	If I met you in real life, I would have strangled you
10:26	reactor	hoodedice: sadist?
10:26	hoodedice	No, terrorist
10:26	hoodedice	Because beard
10:26	* reactor	calls the police
10:26	* hoodedice	blows himself up
10:27	hoodedice	FOR SCIENCE!
10:27	hoodedice	I still have a Wolfdale
10:27	* reactor	pulls out glass shards out of self. Ouch!
10:27	* john_minetest	cleans up 40 acres of glass
10:28	hoodedice	Where wolfdale = Core 2 Duo
10:30	hoodedice	http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/mainstream-chipsets/g41-express-chipset.html
10:33	reactor	Hey, do not call me that, john_minetest.
10:33	reactor	You're a hipster, alright. Do not call me one.
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10:35	hoodedice	#IMADEAHASHTAGLONGERTHANYOURSSOSHUTTHEFUDGECAKEUPBUTIDOLIKEFUDGECAKESHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
10:37	hoodedice	Look at what my beast can run!
10:37	hoodedice	Microsoft DirectX* 10
10:37	reactor	Windows.
10:37	reactor	:(
10:37	hoodedice	Shader Model* 4.0
10:37	hoodedice	and OpenGL* 2.0.
10:37	hoodedice	Beat THAT!
10:38	hoodedice	capable of "full 1080p high-definition video playback, including Blu-ray disc movies",[14][21]
10:38	hoodedice	[Of course it's from wikipedia]
10:38	reactor	Who needs those crazy resolutions.
10:38	reactor	Movies in 640x480 are enough.
10:38	hoodedice	I watch em @720p
10:38	reactor	HIgher res is not worth the disk overhead.
10:38	hoodedice	nice on the eyes and enogh detail
10:39	reactor	720p is quite sufficient, yes.
10:39	reactor	But 1080p is crazy.
10:39	reactor	Who needs to see every dust particle.
10:39	hoodedice	john_minetest: Oh, yeah? Beat this: #LopadoÂÂtemachoÂÂselachoÂÂgaleoÂÂkranioÂÂleipsanoÂÂdrimÂÂhypoÂÂtrimmatoÂÂsilphioÂÂparaoÂÂmelitoÂÂkatakechyÂÂmenoÂÂkichlÂÂepiÂÂkossyphoÂÂphattoÂÂperisterÂÂalektryonÂÂopteÂÂkephallioÂÂkigkloÂÂpeleioÂÂlagoioÂÂsiraioÂÂbapheÂÂtraganoÂÂpterygon
10:39	reactor	Average adult eyes don't even provide enough resolution.
10:39	hoodedice	Indeed.
10:39	hoodedice	But I'll play BF4 if I can, in full reso
10:40	hoodedice	(With a newer computer, of course)
10:40	reactor	Beside video games and image editing, high resolutions are waste.
10:40	hoodedice	Not always
10:40	reactor	Who needs a huge screen if one could use bitmap fonts, for programming.
10:40	hoodedice	I like to watch motor sports in 4K
10:41	hoodedice	And touring shows
10:41	hoodedice	With cliffs and rivulets, and... stuff
10:42	hoodedice	john_minetest: (Don't get the sarcasm do you?)
10:42	hoodedice	Movies are (usually) boring
10:42	hoodedice	AWWW
10:42	hoodedice	You said a bad word!
10:43	hoodedice	Pray for repentence you faggotty sinner!
10:43	hoodedice	HAAW! I said a bad word too!
10:43	hoodedice	Look what you'd done!
10:44	hoodedice	And faggot is English for brach ;)
10:45	hoodedice	And Dick is also Richard
10:47	hoodedice	You play pioneer? That game is as confusing as Dwarf Fortress
10:47	hoodedice	No, less confusing
10:47	Exio4	reactor: 1080p is pretty l33t
10:50	hoodedice	1337
10:50	reactor	Exio4: it's not. It's a waste of disk space and processing power.
10:52	Exio4	my gpu was 350 ARS and uses less than 35W, and i don't even get my cpu at 100% when playing a 1080p movie
10:52	hoodedice	Whatever
10:52	Exio4	350 ARS, for a real price on your lands, / 10 = USDÃ§
10:52	hoodedice	It is a waste of screen space
10:52	Exio4	-Ã§
10:52	Exio4	hoodedice: what space?
10:53	hoodedice	The black rectangles on the top and bottm
10:53	Exio4	wut.
10:53	hoodedice	Of my AWESOME 4:3 screen
10:53	hoodedice	XD
10:53	reactor	16:9 screens are inconvenient.
10:53	hoodedice	Oh and people
10:53	hoodedice	I released my first mod
10:53	hoodedice	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7890
10:53	Exio4	ah
10:54	hoodedice	Indeed, You can't read code nicely on 'em
10:54	hoodedice	In EA's Frostbit video there was this guy with the best screen ever!
10:54	Exio4	they have few pixels than a 4:3 screen at the same diagonal-size, tho
10:54	reactor	I wish one could easily mount a 16:9 panel on its side.
10:55	reactor	That would allow for seeing more program
10:55	reactor	Less tedious scrolling to do.
10:55	hoodedice	http://youtu.be/fBecEtNAavQ?t=3m25s
10:55	hoodedice	3:25
10:55	Exio4	you could
10:56	Exio4	just flip the screen with software and then flip it irl
10:56	hoodedice	hmm, yes it is possible =)
10:56	hoodedice	I'm so happy now!
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10:57	reactor	Exio4: I hope X11 supports that.
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10:58	hoodedice	Not. You didn't log in
10:58	hoodedice	(Offtopic)
11:02	hoodedice	I jinxed the IRC again!
11:02	reactor	Pwned.
11:04	hoodedice	?
11:04	hoodedice	What colour is default:brick?
11:05	hoodedice	Hmm
11:05	hoodedice	But that's what I really wanted
11:06	hoodedice	Check the code on Github, the code's 'more recent' if you know what I mean
11:06	reactor	?
11:07	reactor	What visuals?
11:11	hoodedice	Hmm
11:11	hoodedice	reactor: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7890
11:11	reactor	Bad request.
11:11	hoodedice	Does 255:0:4 look brick red (RGB)?
11:11	hoodedice	Log in
11:12	hoodedice	to the forums
11:12	reactor	I have no account.
11:12	reactor	255 would be too bright, wouldn't it?
11:12	hoodedice	Bad guy.
11:12	reactor	You're making 1x1 textures?
11:12	hoodedice	What would you say?
11:12	hoodedice	N
11:12	reactor	?!
11:12	reactor	Idk.
11:12	reactor	Hmm.
11:12	reactor	Care to see my texture pack?
11:12	hoodedice	No. 1:1
11:12	hoodedice	Sure
11:12	reactor	A sec.
11:13	hoodedice	Ya, 163 R is much better
11:14	reactor	ftp://mike402.no-ip.biz/pub/minetest/Pripyat/screenshots-131201.tar.bz2
11:14	reactor	ftp://mike402.no-ip.biz/pub/minetest/Pripyat/textures-131201.tar.bz2
11:16	hoodedice	Nope. Not loading
11:16	reactor	Oh. wait a sec.
11:16	reactor	Use port 65421.
11:17	MinetestBot	minetest.org:30015 is up (340ms)
11:18	hoodedice	:65421 at the end of the URL?
11:19	reactor	Sure.
11:19	reactor	I forgot to write it.
11:19	reactor	Hurry up: I've got to take the OS down for a while.
11:19	hoodedice	Won't connect
11:20	hoodedice	connection reset
11:20	reactor	put :65421 right after the ".biz"
11:20	hoodedice	w/e Later
11:21	hoodedice	I did it. Firefox, Windows xp
11:21	hoodedice	Oh, got it now
11:23	kaeza	mornings
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11:32	MrRip	Hey folks. I try to get source code for server (or .rpm for Centos 6.3)
11:32	MrRip	i will in a bit
11:33	MrRip	error : different verssion
11:34	MrRip	0 47 here
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11:36	Megaf	I'm bacl
11:37	Megaf	reactor, Intel does good 3D indeed
11:37	reactor	MK.
11:37	Megaf	but no high end
11:38	reactor	I'm not playing CRYSIS on my machines.
11:38	reactor	Not using graphics cards for calculations, yet.
11:39	reactor	Is there a way to make CUDA compiler work with FBSD?
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11:39	MrRip	nah 0.4.8 have trouble on mai x64 box
11:40	MrRip	where you got server version i didnt see on website
11:44	MrRip	i need pure mintestserver to ron on dedicated server not X
11:44	MrRip	no src ....
11:44	MrRip	i know i use gentoo
11:45	MrRip	im not afraid to compile but dont ghet source code
11:45	MrRip	in gentoo repo is old version
11:45	MrRip	hmm
11:45	MrRip	let me see :D
11:46	reactor	MrRip: with your skills, you should probably do better with FBSD.
11:46	reactor	Gentoo is not worth it.
11:46	reactor	Linux is a mess.
11:47	reactor	I'm not familiar with Mac OS.
11:47	reactor	Can't really tell.
11:47	reactor	It's a certified UNIX, but it breaks some conventions.
11:47	reactor	They probably had to bribe to committee.
11:47	MrRip	i have i3 Mac
11:47	reactor	s/to/the/
11:48	MrRip	but my wife is owner :))
11:48	reactor	Windows.
11:48	reactor	I rest my case.
11:49	MrRip	i love my dell i5 inspirion 3521 2 grafic cards 6 giga ram 1T hdd is lovley full of gentoo :)
11:49	MrRip	and yes i play wine games Like RIFT :D
11:49	reactor	...is there Skype for UNIX?
11:49	MrRip	yes
11:49	Megaf	<john_minetest> Actually people are installing linux on their macs because MacOS X sucks
11:49	MrRip	y use skype
11:49	reactor	I don't mind closed source.
11:49	Megaf	john_minetest, indeed, I ran Debian 7.2 on my Macbook pro
11:50	Megaf	run
11:50	MrRip	emerge -pav skype :)
11:50	reactor	...as far as it doesn' spy on the rest of the system.
11:50	MrRip	gentoo :)
11:50	reactor	Linux is not worth using anymore.
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11:50	reactor	I think I'll be fine running it jailed.
11:50	Megaf	john_minetest, I paid for Lion, for Moutain Lion, Maveriks came for free, I feel like all is the same shit
11:51	Megaf	I'm much happier with Debian
11:51	Megaf	Snow Leopard was cool too
11:51	Megaf	but kinda outdated
11:52	specing	Guys
11:53	specing	http://cloud.github.com/downloads/Bad-Command/teleporter/recipe2.png
11:53	specing	what is the centre element?
11:53	specing	mese crystal would work?
11:54	specing	k, thanks
11:54	specing	I'll see
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11:59	reactor	Hmm.
11:59	reactor	OldCoder: !
12:00	reactor	:(
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12:06	reactor	:(
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12:18	MrRip	muhahaha
12:18	MrRip	Scanning dependencies of target lua [ 1%] Building C object src/lua/build/CMakeFiles/lua.dir/lapi.o [ 2%] Building C object src/lua/build/CMakeFiles/lua.dir/lauxlib.o
12:18	MrRip	...
12:18	MrRip	im on the good way :)
12:19	MrRip	ty john_minetest
12:20	reactor	Dr. Evil?
12:21	MrRip	pduh
12:21	MrRip	[ 23%] Building CXX object src/CMakeFiles/minetestserver.dir/script/common/c_content.cpp.o In file included from /home/minetest/minetest/src/script/common/c_content.h:40, from /home/minetest/minetest/src/script/common/c_content.cpp:19: /home/minetest/minetest/src/util/string.h:166: error: reference to â€˜s64â€™ is ambiguous
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12:25	reactor	rsiska: where's lsiska?
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12:30	MrRip	mintetest-dev is mute how can i comunicate there?
12:32	sfan5	hi everyone
12:32	kaeza	hey sfan5
12:33	kaeza	MrRip, get a real IRC client (e.g. hexchat)
12:33	MrRip	i have XChat
12:33	MrRip	ok i will join there
12:34	kaeza	xchat works too
12:34	kaeza	:<
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12:37	reactor	GUI is the last thing IRC would ever need.
12:37	MrRip	well i have a real chat client now :)
12:44	MrRip	kaeza: How can i comunicate in minetest-dev ?
12:47	kaeza	MrRip, you already did :^P
12:49	kaeza	MrRip, just be patient; it can take a bit until someone responds
12:49	MrRip	i know :d
12:49	MrRip	thank you i have all my days :)
12:49	MrRip	to make this :)
12:50	kaeza	you can leave your client open for the day, or if that's inconvenient you can chek up the chat logs later
12:50	kaeza	+c
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13:16	sfan5	I'm 3 metres away from the WiFi router and connection is unstable because of winds outside... hm
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13:24	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
13:25	reactor	EHLO
13:27	PilzAdam	eh lol
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13:55	reactor	?
13:55	reactor	How should the wind disrupt radio reception?
13:58	OldCoder	reactor, do not be :( Hello how are you
13:58	reactor	Ehlo.
13:58	reactor	I'm fine.
13:59	reactor	I'm gonna model a small building this evening, probably.
13:59	reactor	Can you upload the mode you made for my textures, so that I can use it here, too?
14:21	OldCoder	reactor, What would you like?
14:21	OldCoder	mode I made?
14:21	OldCoder	I can explain what I did
14:21	OldCoder	Hmm
14:21	OldCoder	Wait
14:21	OldCoder	I will make a ZIP for you in a few minutes
14:22	reactor	I don't know if I can unpack zips here.
14:23	OldCoder	Hm? What is OS>
14:23	OldCoder	BSD?
14:23	OldCoder	A tarball, then
14:23	OldCoder	But should have unzip
14:24	reactor	BSD.
14:24	reactor	I prefer .tar.bz2 or .tar.xz
14:24	reactor	.gz will do.
14:25	reactor	Oh right. I do have unzip.
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14:37	reactor	OldCoder: put the file in my /incoming?
14:37	Megaf	reactor, have you tested debian kfreebsd yet?
14:37	reactor	I will not use debian unless I'm forced to.
14:37	Megaf	its light and fast, and its bsd
14:38	reactor	It's BSD with Linux userland. Keep it away from me.
14:38	Megaf	is the kernel that matters
14:38	reactor	No.
14:38	Megaf	I tested years ago NexentaOS, it was OpenSolaris with Ubuntu userland
14:38	reactor	The kernel is just one of the reasons I'm here.
14:38	Megaf	it was cool too
14:39	reactor	I really like the BSD userland. It's solid.
14:39	Megaf	ok then
14:39	Megaf	I rather use BSD user land too, but I prefer the Linux kernel
14:39	reactor	Idk, I never liked Linux kernel.
14:39	Megaf	more hardware friendly
14:39	reactor	How come you like Linux userland so much?
14:39	reactor	Oh.
14:39	reactor	In particular, the way it handles USB is annoying.
14:40	reactor	It would reconnect USB devices out of the blue.
14:40	Megaf	more like a specific hardware problem
14:40	Megaf	on my netbook / is on a usb flash drive
14:41	reactor	I hearf FBSD boots just fine from flash.
14:42	OldCoder	reactor, k
14:42	OldCoder	reactor, link in PM with PW
14:43	OldCoder	reactor, I think you are basically asking for the worldmods folder. Is this correct?
14:43	reactor	?
14:43	reactor	Yes.
14:43	reactor	oh
14:43	reactor	a sec
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14:49	hoodedice	sfan5
14:55	sfan5	hm?
14:56	hoodedice	New build: Problem
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15:11	hoodedice	?
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15:32	hoodedice	Sup BlockMen
15:32	hoodedice	sfan5: Thanks a lot. Testing your new build now
15:33	BlockMen	hi hoodedice, nm
15:33	BlockMen	how bout you
15:33	hoodedice	Started my first MT project - a Texture pack =)
15:33	hoodedice	(Actually a fork)
15:37	hoodedice	sfan5: No can do. Newer build still has the same problem. I'm filing a bug on the GitHub page
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16:06	George	is anyone thinking of making a mod like a garage door mod
16:07	George	do you guys know that the megaf server is down
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16:10	Jordach	i understand why my os logs out and crashes
16:10	Jordach	the startup terminal fails to close
16:12	Calinou	hi
16:12	Calinou	Jordach, for a short instant, as of ubuntu 13.10 I can see "login for calinou:" a second or two before the login screen appears :P
16:12	Jordach	Calinou, pressing prnt scrn shows it
16:12	Calinou	I don't press anything
16:12	Jordach	(the terminal attempts to overwrite x)
16:13	Jordach	i seem to get these "black bars"
16:13	hoodedice	Ubuntu
16:13	hoodedice	Use Xubuntu, like a boss.
16:14	hoodedice	Jordach, test this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=120808#p120808
16:14	Jordach	hoodedice, using linux now
16:14	hoodedice	Ow
16:14	ShadowNinja	X spawns before getty on my system. (And is therefore on TTY1)
16:14	Jordach	well, xubuntu lts anyways
16:14	hoodedice	Nah, Xubuntu alternate STSs
16:15	hoodedice	13.04 was better than LTS
16:15	hoodedice	13.10 was crap
16:15	hoodedice	So was 12.10
16:16	reactor	?
16:16	kaeza	I don't understand all this bitching about "was crap"
16:16	reactor	Ubuntu :(
16:16	kaeza	if you don't like something, update/change it
16:16	hoodedice	Indeed. So I used the word "was"
16:17	hoodedice	And so my USB drive (Thank you john_minetest) now has 13.04 in it
16:17	hoodedice	Anyway, sup with 0.4.9 being 45% complete?
16:17	kaeza	eh lol
16:18	kaeza	[citation needed]
16:18	hoodedice	citation:https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/milestones
16:18	kaeza	"No due date" nuff said
16:19	hoodedice	But. Teh bar?
16:19	kaeza	plus 0.4.8 took what? more than half a year?
16:20	Calinou	<26hoodedice> 13.10 was crap
16:20	Calinou	13.10 is great
16:20	Calinou	13.04 will soon be EOL, like 12.10
16:21	hoodedice	Windows
16:21	hoodedice	I DON'T NEED YOUR DRIVERS PROMPT DAMMIT!
16:21	Calinou	windows XP will too :phoronix rolleyes:
16:21	hoodedice	HP works out of the box on Xubuntu
16:21	hoodedice	And they say we don't have hardware support
16:22	hoodedice	Xp was good ;/
16:22	hoodedice	Thou wilt be missed friend
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16:23	Jordach	hello VanessaE
16:23	Jordach	hoodedice, suck it, i have WORKING SHADERS
16:23	hoodedice	Yo VanessaE
16:24	hoodedice	MY SHADERS WORK IN XUBUNTU TOO!
16:24	Jordach	:O
16:24	hoodedice	(At least, some of em)
16:24	hoodedice	XO
16:24	Jordach	hoodedice, all of 'em work for me
16:24	Jordach	i just don't use fancy leaves
16:24	hoodedice	I didn't test em yet. No Ubuntu shaders build atm
16:24	hoodedice	Jelly tress are AWESOME
16:25	Jordach	(fun fact: shaders with fancy leaves off gives same performance without the shaders being enabled)
16:25	hoodedice	*trees
16:25	harrison	http://www.scienceworldreport.com/articles/11396/20131205/study-links-poor-sleep-to-mood-disturbance-in-obese-people.htm
16:25	hoodedice	Jordach, that was for you XD
16:25	kaeza	you need a study for that? O_o
16:25	Jordach	hoodedice, just compile it yourself
16:26	hoodedice	I'm lazy dammit
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16:26	hoodedice	kaeza: they have a study for almost anything nowadays
16:26	Jordach	7mins 30seconds is enough time
16:26	Jordach	make -j3 on a pentium 4 will do that :D
16:27	hoodedice	But all that sudo apt-get install
16:27	hoodedice	Yawn
16:27	Jordach	once it's done, it's done
16:27	hoodedice	I even get bored downloaded sfan5's builds
16:27	* Jordach	just sleeps no matter what
16:27	hoodedice	Sup john_minetest
16:28	reactor	Meh.
16:28	Jordach	sfan5, it windy over at yours?
16:28	sfan5	yes
16:28	kaeza	hoodedice, the good thing about cloning the repo and compiling yourself is it's easier to do updates
16:28	reactor	Alternative costs of sleep are too big.
16:28	Calinou	<hoodedice> Xp was good ;/
16:28	Calinou	it never was, it was always insecure and ugly :P
16:28	hoodedice	I liked XP
16:28	hoodedice	I like 8
16:28	Calinou	Jordach, I have working waving leaves/plants/water in freeminer :D
16:28	hoodedice	I'm crazy
16:28	Jordach	dun dun durr
16:28	Calinou	8 _is_ better than 7
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16:29	hoodedice	High Five
16:29	Jordach	is being the stressed word
16:29	Jordach	"is"*
16:29	Calinou	bro hoof
16:29	* hoodedice	high fives Calinou
16:29	Jordach	btw, i have 3 MK3 Mining drills on vanessa's survival
16:30	Calinou	wb john_minetest
16:30	Jordach	john_minetest, VE-Survival ;)
16:30	* Calinou	buys a linux kernel for john_minetest
16:30	Jordach	...you pay for your kernels
16:30	kaeza	>buys
16:30	* Jordach	pets Calinou
16:30	Jordach	john_minetest, is it windy for you?
16:31	hoodedice	*9000
16:31	Jordach	because the wind won't topple me :D
16:31	Jordach	it's worse here - a wind turbine was FLEXING AGAINST the wind
16:31	Jordach	that won't be there by the morning
16:32	kaeza	it's 30C here
16:32	kaeza	:3
16:32	Jordach	well fuck you and your warmth
16:32	* Jordach	could do with that
16:33	hoodedice	15C in th morning
16:33	hoodedice	=/
16:35	hoodedice	brb
16:36	Calinou	5Â°C here
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16:39	Enke	awesome.
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16:39	Calinou	hi Enke
16:39	Jordach	yay
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16:39	hoodedice	Yo Enke
16:39	Jordach	happy wheels is actually working
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16:43	hoodedice	I just googled it.
16:43	hoodedice	I would be better off dead.
16:46	Enke	hi guys
16:46	reactor	?
16:47	harrison	if you are thinking about harming yourself and/or others, please don't
16:47	Enke	I'm a little busy playing RCT3, so I'll be on and off.
16:47	hoodedice	RCT3?
16:47	* hoodedice	High Fives Enke
16:49	hoodedice	Installed new Printer drivers.
16:49	hoodedice	Out of Black ink
16:49	reactor	Lol. Happy Wheels.
16:49	hoodedice	Awesomenes
16:49	hoodedice	CUPS is AWESOME!
16:50	hoodedice	I don't know why people hate on it, but it was pretty kinky for me
16:50	reactor	CUPS is shit.
16:50	hoodedice	apple printer?
16:50	reactor	Printers that don't work with LPD should die.
16:51	reactor	PostScript is the language all printers should be able to use.
16:51	hoodedice	Well, mine is HP too
16:51	reactor	Mine is.
16:51	reactor	And it's crap, and does not support PostScript.
16:51	hoodedice	But CUPS is by Apple? Bummer.
16:51	reactor	Instead, it uses some weird protocol no one uses.
16:52	hoodedice	But my F2200 printed on Xubuntu better than on Windows
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16:52	reactor	Windows is unsupported.
16:53	reactor	For its technical support is shit.
16:54	Calinou	it is supported in here
16:54	Calinou	john_minetest, don't hate stuff just because apple made it, it still is free software
16:55	reactor	CUPS is crap not for being by Apple.
16:55	reactor	It's crap fundamentally.
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16:57	George	come to megaf till it ends server and get a free flat
16:57	hoodedice	Well, cups just works
16:57	reactor	It doesn't.
16:57	hoodedice	So, for me, it's nice
16:57	reactor	It just fails.
16:57	reactor	Rather.
16:57	hoodedice	lol man
16:57	hoodedice	Later people
16:57	reactor	When it malfunctions, it's terrible.
16:57	reactor	When it works, it works fine. But when it breaks, it's terrible to fix.
16:58	Calinou	2 girls 1 CUPS
16:58	* Calinou	gallops away
16:58	reactor	Haha.
16:59	reactor	That's right, Calinou.
16:59	reactor	It's poop.
17:03	Jordach	Calinou, 2 guys 1 CPU
17:05	Calinou	that's how hyperthreading should have been called
17:05	Jordach	HA
17:10	Calinou	it's a printer problem then
17:11	reactor	If you can't use the printer with LPD, it's a shit printer.
17:11	reactor	Destroy it.
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17:25	reactor	It seems you need to set up LPD.
17:25	reactor	And stop trying to fix that broken piece of shit.
17:29	reactor	Both
17:29	reactor	If your printer works with PostScript, it's not shit.
17:29	reactor	Otherwise, it is.
17:29	reactor	CUPS is shit because it is shit.
17:30	reactor	Rather, because it's based on the wrong idea of user friendliness.
17:30	reactor	It's not user-friendly at all.
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17:30	reactor	It attempts to be, but it only makes everything worse.
17:34	reactor	Good.
17:34	reactor	Then it's not shit.
17:34	reactor	But CUPS still is.
17:34	reactor	LPD will work with it.
17:42	PilzAdam	it seems like there are a lot of world corruption problems since the leveldb merge
17:44	reactor	So what, make snapshots of your worlds.
17:45	reactor	...it would be nice to see a feature that allowed making map snapshots on the fly.
17:45	Ritchie	reactor: why cups is shit?
17:46	reactor	I have explained above.
17:46	reactor	Do not be lazy.
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18:01	Calinou	<john_minetest> My printer is an over 400â‚¬ laser b/w printer.
18:01	Calinou	<john_minetest> So it should be able to do postscript
18:01	Calinou	apple hardware can cost over 2000 euros, and it can't run linux properly sometimes
18:03	reactor	Heh.
18:03	FreeFull	I think even really shitty printers do postscript though
18:03	reactor	FreeFull: not all.
18:03	reactor	Mine doesn't.
18:03	reactor	I ditched attempts to make it work long ago.
18:05	Jordach	+1
18:06	reactor	Apple is hipster hardware, Linux is a hipster OS.
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18:06	rubenwardy	Hi all
18:08	Enke	hi
18:08	PilzAdam	http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/63903759786/shall-we-buy-macbooks-to-look-cool-but-install-ubuntu
18:09	FreeFull	I don't think you'll find any hipsters using Slackware
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18:10	Enke	funny.
18:10	cisoun	> buy macbooks
18:10	cisoun	>look cool
18:10	cisoun	pick one
18:11	FreeFull	Can I pick neither
18:11	Calinou	pick nether!
18:14	Calinou	isn't hipster = slightly hippie?
18:14	PilzAdam	Calinou, hippie is too mainstream
18:19	* Jordach	has mined to -2.5KM
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18:22	BlockMen	bye
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18:23	specing	john_minetest: -2.5 KM/
18:24	specing	you mean 2500 blocks down?
18:24	Jordach	yup
18:24	specing	I've seen people at -30000
18:24	specing	on clip public server
18:24	Jordach	is it creative?
18:24	specing	no
18:24	Jordach	specing, i've dug this within 24 hours
18:25	specing	they got there in a flash
18:25	specing	with a teleporter
18:25	Jordach	that's not legit
18:25	specing	it is legit
18:25	Jordach	mine is a literal pit you can fall down
18:25	Jordach	interestingly, i can fall down it at 0.2KM/S
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18:26	Jordach	(if you've preloaded the chunks, falling is smooth as butter)
18:26	specing	Jordach: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2149
18:28	Jordach	wool is TWO YEARS OLD
18:28	Jordach	my original wool mod is ancient
18:28	Jordach	(it still works if you add groups)
18:28	Jordach	john_minetest, yes
18:28	Jordach	john_minetest, you've timed out afaik
18:28	specing	john_minetest: so what? If it gets you down there...
18:29	Jordach	specing, try and do it legit
18:29	Jordach	then we can talk about depth
18:29	Jordach	specing, at least you're not this guy: [12-04 15:04] <VanessaE> position = (-2.14748e+06,-1.63842e+06,-4712)
18:31	specing	Jordach: for legit (10x10 block pit with stairs around), Im at -50
18:31	specing	for legit digging down, I'm at -180
18:31	Jordach	i'm using legit tools i crafted myself
18:31	specing	me too
18:31	specing	stone and silver pickaxes
18:31	Jordach	(protip - technic has useful shit you really should get, tool repair, mining drills)
18:32	Calinou	specing> I've seen people at -30000
18:32	Calinou	there are real hipsters.
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18:33	* Jordach	ponders the kick all command
18:33	rubenwardy	Lol, the UK is the only country without an independance day: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_day
18:34	Jordach	yay
18:34	MinetestBot	digitalaudioconcepts.com:30001 is up (470ms)
18:36	FreeFull	The UK never got to be independent from anything
18:36	FreeFull	rubenwardy: Germany doesn't have one either
18:36	FreeFull	Woops
18:36	rubenwardy	On the map, it does
18:36	FreeFull	john beat me
18:37	FreeFull	Germany is under "other national day"
18:37	rubenwardy	oh
18:37	Calinou	it's not like independence days are needed too much
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18:54	Exio4	improve the code yourself
18:55	* Jordach	suggests happy wheels
18:57	specing	Is anyone else getting screen flashing when loading?
18:57	Calinou	<john_minetest> The "media" bar doesn't move at all when there are large amounts of media
18:57	Calinou	it's because of poor scale, node/item definitions take up half of the bar...
18:58	Calinou	they should take 5% each of the bar instead
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18:59	sapier	I plan to create a dynamic spawning mechanism for minetest, prototype is to be implemented in lua https://gist.github.com/sapier/7811148 this is my current API design does anyone have suggestions?
19:00	Calinou	looks good
19:04	sapier	can you give an example john?
19:06	Calinou	"wiping" the loading bar after loading definitions would be confusing
19:07	Calinou	them making up 10% of the bar makes more sense, also the bar should be made more wide
19:07	rubenwardy	Next: lua loading bars!
19:07	Calinou	and percentage reporting could be more accurate (eg: 40.2% instead of 40%)
19:09	Calinou	it'd be more accurate for long downloads, and it doesn't cost anything to do
19:09	Calinou	it looks smoother when downloading
19:12	rubenwardy	What kind of bench marks will it have, sapier?
19:12	sapier	no noticable lag to be added
19:12	rubenwardy	Cool
19:13	sapier	that's the goal and I have reason to assume this can be done
19:14	sapier	but it's not implemented yet
19:16	Calinou	there was a percentage, still
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19:26	rubenwardy	Nodebox or Node box?
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19:44	specing	john_minetest: what?
19:45	specing	john_minetest: ~/.minetest/ is onl 56 MB here
19:48	specing	What is loading so much time?
19:48	specing	Is the client downloading all the mod .lua files and JITing them?
19:48	specing	or is the client downloading world state?
19:50	specing	because if it is the second then mods can't ruin it much
19:57	specing	thats bad
19:57	specing	it should be cached
20:02	Sokomine	it is. but not the first time you join a server
20:02	specing	Sokomine: Ima slap you for this
20:02	Sokomine	it just takes so long on the first connection. due to the caching, it gets much faster later
20:02	* sfan5	puts a kitten on specing's head
20:03	specing	oh wait, misunderstood
20:03	specing	well it still takes a while
20:03	* Sokomine	grabs the kitten and runs away with it
20:03	specing	and the screen flashes a lot
20:03	specing	not sure if my tiling WM is to blame or the broken nvidia
20:03	specing	or minetest
20:04	Sokomine	it does take a long time (1 minute/mb independent of connection time can happen). some servers provide additional download of media from another server. that happens automaticly when it's offered
20:04	Sokomine	screen flashing sounds odd
20:04	iqualfragile	can somebody explain rollback to me
20:05	Sokomine	iqualfragile: which version? old or new one? technical or using it to roll back an actual griefer?
20:05	iqualfragile	new, everything
20:07	Sokomine	hm, for details you ought to ask who coded it (iirc zat?). the interface for the user is the same as before - except that it's much much faster now (=can actually be used without doing a dos attack on the server) and lists more than the last action on that node
20:09	Sokomine	are you familiar with the old rollback?
20:12	zat	ShadowNinja added the last bit though.
20:12	zat	Was the new rollback included then?
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20:15	Sokomine	yes, it's now included. if only we could reach redcrab and get him to install a newer version!
20:15	* EvergreenTree	throws a PilzAdam at sfan5
20:15	PilzAdam	one does not simply throw a PilzAdam
20:16	* sfan5	puts Derpy Hooves on EvergreenTree's head
20:16	* specing	throws another PilzAdam
20:16	* EvergreenTree	slaps derpy hooves
20:16	* sfan5	slaps EvergreenTree
20:16	* EvergreenTree	throws derpy hooves at sfan5
20:16	* sfan5	throws a kitten at EvergreenTree
20:17	* EvergreenTree	gives the kitten an apple and throws it at sfan5
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20:17	* sfan5	catches the kitten and puts it on Calinou's head
20:17	EvergreenTree	Hi Calinou
20:18	* EvergreenTree	runs over to Calinou and places derpy hooves on his head
20:18	Calinou	hi
20:18	* sfan5	places a sapling on EvergreenTree's head
20:18	Calinou	derpy hooves gets impaled by my horn
20:18	* Calinou	gallops away
20:19	* sfan5	catches Calinou with a reverse gravity gun and puts him into the kitchen
20:22	* sfan5	places two çŒ« on john_minetest's head
20:24	* EvergreenTree	slaps Jordach
20:24	* Sokomine	puts a bucket of water on EvergreenTrees sapling
20:25	EvergreenTree	Cool! Now I'm a double tree
20:25	EvergreenTree	Twice the power! >:D
20:27	sfan5	!op
20:27	Sokomine	:-) don't let people wielding an axe get close :)
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20:27	sfan5	!deop
20:28	Calinou	people with bad UTF-8-in-topic support will be happy
20:28	Calinou	:/
20:28	sfan5	yep the will
20:29	iqualfragile	the average age in this channel seems to have dropped to 12
20:31	sfan5	s/age/bass/
20:33	Megaf	ok, the new rollback just doesnt work
20:33	Megaf	it says, nothing to do
20:34	EvergreenTree	Nice, I am now the official resident tree on #minetest
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20:37	Megaf	yep, rollback does not work at all
20:37	Megaf	hm
20:37	Megaf	it works
20:37	Megaf	But I found a bug
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20:44	Jordach	meow
20:44	Jordach	EvergreenTree, ^
20:44	EvergreenTree	rowr
20:45	Jordach	you know exactly what i mean
20:48	iqualfragile	john_minetest: yeah, we all know how to browse imgur
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21:15	Calinou	http://i.imgur.com/vodKA.jpg
21:15	Calinou	john_minetest, ^
21:16	PilzAdam	vodka?
21:17	PilzAdam	is that intentional?
21:18	Calinou	no
21:18	Calinou	names are always random
21:22	Miner_48er	anyone know where to get the playergroups mod?
21:23	EvergreenTree	Hey Miner_48er, did you know 43.5% of the time you are asking a question?
21:24	Miner_48er	yes
21:26	EvergreenTree	evergreen.shutdown('bye')
21:36	PilzAdam	bye
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21:39	sapier	Miner_48er are you talking about factions?
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21:44	kaeza	[18:37:58] <Megaf> But I found a bug
21:44	kaeza	shouting "BUG!" is generally considered rude without proper evidence
21:45	kaeza	ah well, looks like he's not here anyway
21:46	Calinou	a bug's life
21:46	iqualfragile	good news: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/NSA-sammelt-taeglich-Milliarden-Handy-Standortdaten-2060541.html
21:46	sfan5	>good
21:46	sfan5	lol
21:53	kaeza	very phone, so technology
22:04	fixed	hi all... im new to minetest. do i need to add a mod to get monsters?
22:05	kaeza	fixed, yes
22:05	fixed	ah no wonder its so quiet here ;)
22:06	kaeza	fixed, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=629 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3063
22:06	kaeza	the former is more lightweight, but the monsters are a bit dumb
22:06	kaeza	the latter has more intelligent monsters, but is also more demanding on resources
22:07	kaeza	eh the other way around
22:08	fixed	i go for lightweight at first :)
22:08	fixed	thanks man
22:08	fixed	ehh ... kaeza said the first one is light? :)
22:08	fixed	getting confused
22:09	kaeza	MOBF is heavy; simple mobs is light :P
22:09	kaeza	(mixed the links)
22:09	fixed	ahh ok
22:13	Calinou	in soviet russia, you are heavy, mobf is kaeza, simple light is mobs
22:14	kaeza	lol
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22:44	fairiestoy	Hey guys. A question ( must have any information if this is available somewhere ): Is it possible to trigger the server into some 'mute' state in order to supress terminal output? Logging is ok, but that terminal output would be nice to be turned off
22:45	pitriss	fairiestoy: ./minetest &> /dev/null
22:46	fairiestoy	Urgh thanks. To obvious to be seen -___- :P
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22:54	Brian___	Good evening
22:56	ShadowNinja	Hello Brian___!
22:56	Brian___	How goes it?
22:57	ShadowNinja	Well, you?
22:57	Brian___	Fine thank you. Just trying to figure out xchat so I can log into the dev channel
22:58	ShadowNinja	/join #minetest-dev
22:58	Brian___	Never used irc before
23:03	sapier	did anyone try latest mobf prior calling it heavy?
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23:37	danquebec_	Hi. I use Fedora 19. I compiled Minetest 0.4.8 some days ago. When I start playing in a world, it almost immediately crashes. I get a segmentation fault.
23:37	danquebec_	There is the result: http://fpaste.org/59410/13862863/
23:38	danquebec_	And when I run with gdb: http://fpaste.org/59412/28647313/
23:42	danquebec_	(this last link is the backtrace on gdb when it has segfaulted)
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23:50	PandemoniuM	wow. new update for cannons mod is VERY nice
23:50	ShadowNinja	danquebec_: That gas been fixed since then, re-compile.
23:50	ShadowNinja	has*
23:50	danquebec_	Wow really? Lol Iâ€™m really out of luck.
23:50	danquebec_	Thank you. Going to try that.
23:52	PandemoniuM	just made a .x shape in milkshape. I used the heli.x model from Helicopter mod to make it within the same size
23:52	PandemoniuM	but its super small in game, yet you can tell its within a much larger block
23:56	ShadowNinja	PandemoniuM: Try setting visual_scale to something higher.

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