IRC log for #minetest, 2013-11-21

Time	Nick	Message
00:00	jojoa1997	um RealBadAngel it also says missing on the other shader folders too
00:00	RealBadAngel	all of them
00:00	jojoa1997	yep
00:00	RealBadAngel	not important
00:00	jojoa1997	ok so what is my problem then
00:00	RealBadAngel	download the sources again
00:01	jojoa1997	and recompile?
00:01	RealBadAngel	i pushed the file you were missing
00:01	RealBadAngel	shaders doesnt need to be recompiled
00:02	RealBadAngel	unpack the sources to the very same folder, and run previuously compiled game
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00:07	jojoa1997	ok now i just get the red here is the debug.txt http://paste.ubuntu.com/6450991/
00:09	iqualfragile	RealBadAngel: GLSL shader program failed to link
00:09	iqualfragile	error: fragment shader varying vPosition not written by vertex shader
00:09	iqualfragile	.
00:09	iqualfragile	01:05:09: ERROR[main]: generate_shader(): failed to generate "plants_shader", addHighLevelShaderMaterial failed.
00:09	RealBadAngel	a sec
00:09	jojoa1997	of course i have to have all the problems
00:10	jojoa1997	ok a question that has been bugging me. what os's do you all use? ex:(Windows,XP)(OSX,idk)(Linux,debian)(Linux,ubuntu)(Rasberry PI)?
00:11	RealBadAngel	iqualfragile, fixed
00:11	RealBadAngel	jojoa1997, that logs says that shaders were compiled
00:11	RealBadAngel	can you make a screenshot?
00:12	Partmedia	jojoa1997, FreeBSD :p
00:13	jojoa1997	they were not
00:14	jojoa1997	i even used my default minetest and switched out the shaders
00:16	RealBadAngel	jojoa1997, you have pasted log without any shaders errors
00:16	jojoa1997	ok what is the screenshot key for minetest
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00:16	RealBadAngel	wait
00:17	RealBadAngel	19:06:05: INFO[main]: SourceShaderCache::getOrLoad(): No path found for "test_shader_1/base.txt"
00:17	RealBadAngel	19:06:05: INFO[main]: SourceShaderCache::getOrLoad(): No path found for "test_shader_1/opengl_vertex.glsl"
00:17	RealBadAngel	19:06:05: INFO[main]: SourceShaderCache::getOrLoad(): No path found for "test_shader_1/opengl_fragment.glsl"
00:17	RealBadAngel	19:06:05: INFO[main]: SourceShaderCache::getOrLoad(): No path found for "test_shader_1/opengl_geometry.glsl"
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00:17	RealBadAngel	wtf is that??
00:17	jojoa1997	wait a sec
00:17	RealBadAngel	download the sources, delete all you had before
00:17	RealBadAngel	and recompile it
00:17	jojoa1997	i am 52% through compiling
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00:18	RealBadAngel	that is engine compiled not from my tree
00:18	RealBadAngel	test_shader is the old engine source
00:18	jojoa1997	yep
00:18	RealBadAngel	so dont try my shaders on it
00:18	jojoa1997	59%
00:19	RealBadAngel	going to take a nap before work
00:19	RealBadAngel	cya later
00:21	jojoa1997	adios
00:26	iqualfragile	oh, hey people actualy donate money to minetest, wonderfull
00:27	iqualfragile	http://www.minetest.net/support
00:29	jojoa1997	i would buy one of those merchandise if they were better. maybe a darker background and the such
00:33	iqualfragile	jojoa1997: you can just send in a beter motive
00:37	jojoa1997	yeah when i have free time
00:37	jojoa1997	also i was thinking of doing that last night
00:37	jojoa1997	afk
00:45	jojoa1997	so how do i take screenshots in minetest?
00:45	VanessaE	f12
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01:03	jojoa1997	RealBadAngel here are the screenshots when you come back http://imgur.com/a/uXSv4
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01:12	paramat	hmmmm, o/ (waves like a plant), Peacock and others tried your lighting advice and had problems https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=118925#p118925 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=118940#p118940
01:20	bas080	where is the dirt abm for changing dirt into grass located? I cannot find it.
01:20	Warr1024	in minetest_game/mods/default/nodes.lua, last I looked
01:20	bas080	yes you are correct.
01:21	bas080	i found it. But somehow when hosted on thexyz's server it doesn't work
01:21	Warr1024	is thexyz using a modified version?
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01:52	iqualfragile	thexyz: what bandwith does your server have; do you have to pay for the volume used; In case there is any limit: how high is it and how much of it do you usualy use monthly?
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02:11	VanessaE	if I ever meet the person who invented NFS v4 face-to-face, I will smack him up-side the head.
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02:48	Fury	woo! yeah reached a quintillion on ClickingBad
02:48	Pilcrow	hey guys, I and a friend are having an unusual bug in our game. we have a couple of falling nodes that are stuck as entities, with no movement speed (as in, they are not falling, but are not turning back into nodes either). anyone know how to get rid of them?
02:48	Warr1024	if you don't mind destroying them, there's a console command to destroy all objects.
02:49	Warr1024	I don't remember it offhand, I think /list or /help lists all the commands.
02:49	Warr1024	could take a long time in a large world though.
02:49	Pilcrow	does it just do it in loaded chunks, or everywere?
02:49	Pilcrow	*everywhere
02:50	Warr1024	I get the impression it's everywhere, since I think there are settings that contol the rate at which other chunks are loaded.
02:50	Fury	its /clearobjects I think
02:50	Fury	but it will slow the game down until it does that in the world
02:50	Fury	EVERYWHERE
02:51	Warr1024	sounds like it might be useful if that command were to take an optional radius from the invoking player or something.
02:51	Fury	yes it would
02:51	Pilcrow	ok. that means mobs will get deleted too, but it's fine. thank you both.
02:51	Fury	a /clearobjects X where X is the Radius around the player which that would take effect.
02:52	ShadowNinja	Pilcrow: WorldEdit has a //clearobjects command (double /), and it sorta works.
02:53	Pilcrow	@ShadowNinja: thanks, I'll look into it. assuming that will work on any objects within pos1 and pos2, like other worldedit commands?
02:55	Pilcrow	ah, never mind. I found the answer to that question myself, lol
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03:05	hmmmm	oh dear, set_lighting does indeed cause a crash, and it's a really obvious stupid error too. shows how often it gets used, huh
03:05	hmmmm	as for the other two, you're using it the wrong way
03:06	hmmmm	you set the nolight flag so that the mapgen you're using does not do any lighting calculations of its own
03:06	hmmmm	with the nolight flag, you run calc_lighting after setting all your nodes to the vmanip and then write it back to the map
03:06	hmmmm	so that should be:
03:07	hmmmm	1). you make sure the nolight flag was set in on_mapgen_init
03:07	hmmmm	2). in on_generate, you set your nodes in the vmanip
03:07	hmmmm	3). you write those nodes back to the vmanip with set_data()
03:08	hmmmm	so now at this point the vmanip object has the nodes you wrote in its internal memory, so you can calculate the lighting by calling calc_lighting()
03:08	hmmmm	THEN you write it back to the map
03:09	hmmmm	nolight is necessary because if you don't do that, the lighting values that will already be there will be the old ones from the terrain that the core mapgen calculated
03:09	hmmmm	which causes buggy lighting
03:09	hmmmm	the reason why I mentioned set_lighting to 0 was because that's another way to clear the lighting
03:10	hmmmm	either way you do it, either by setting it to 0 with set_lighting, or by specifying nolight so it's never calculated in the first place, you need to start out with a clean slate before you run calc_lighting or else you'll get buggy looking lighting, plain and simple
03:11	hmmmm	thank you for bringing set_lighting's problem to my attention, I'll be sure to fix that up right away
03:16	VanessaE	hmmmm: speaking of lighting, did you see where RBA's latest shaders code finally got the lighting issues sorted out that I was having? lava, water, light sources all look correct now.
03:16	VanessaE	(plus the waving leaves/grass is nice)
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03:21	hmmmm	I'll check it out
03:22	hmmmm	I really don't think that it'll be part of 0.4.8 though
03:22	hmmmm	by the way, how are we doing with that?
03:23	hmmmm	does MingW build work completely at this point? is the MSVC build completely broken, or just for x64 with gettext?
03:23	VanessaE	no clue
03:23	VanessaE	I thought I'd seen a pull that fixes some MSVC issue?
03:23	hmmmm	i don't know
03:25	VanessaE	you know, those rotated flowing liquid textures aren't so bad.
03:25	VanessaE	you're right, they kinda grow on you.
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04:16	paramat	thanks hmmmm
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05:18	hoodedice	So...
05:20	hoodedice	For some reason, setting water_level to -10 is not raising the amount of water
05:25	RealBadAngel	hmmmm, youre here?
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05:25	hoodedice	us`0gb: Know anything about water_level in minetest.conf
05:25	us`0gb	I do.
05:26	us`0gb	It sets the level of water in new worlds.
05:26	hoodedice	- is actually +?
05:26	us`0gb	Land level is based on water level, so raising or lowing the water does the same for land.
05:26	hoodedice	Damn lol
05:26	us`0gb	Minus is plus? No, not last I checked.
05:27	VanessaE	war is peace, etc?
05:27	us`0gb	I set it to 1024 or something, and the land/sea went WAY up.
05:27	hoodedice	Ok, so how do I increase sea level while not doing the same for land?
05:27	us`0gb	I don't know, bu not that setting.
05:27	hoodedice	flood using worldedit?
05:27	hoodedice	(I feel so stupid)
05:27	us`0gb	Yeah, that's probably what you'd have to do.
05:27	cy1	Read the mapgen code it's open source.
05:28	hoodedice	Yeah, but I don't lua/C++
05:28	us`0gb	I think you would have to edit the source, not just read it.
05:29	us`0gb	I don't think what you want to do can be done in standard Minetest without a tool such as worldedit.
05:29	cy1	You can still read the source.
05:29	hoodedice	The source.
05:29	hoodedice	Is not English
05:29	hoodedice	XD
05:30	RealBadAngel	yup, its in french ;)
05:31	hmmmm	sup RBA?
05:31	hmmmm	I'm going real soon
05:31	hmmmm	hoodedice, water_level is the y coordinate at which water starts occuring
05:31	hmmmm	pretty self explanitory i thought
05:31	hoodedice	Indeed
05:32	hoodedice	What is not is that the land raises itself too
05:32	us`0gb	hmmmm: Aside from the fact that land level is based on that number too. That's not self explanitory.
05:32	us`0gb	Oops, I was too slow.
05:32	hmmmm	i don't see how the land level is based on that number at all
05:32	VanessaE	hey RealBadAngel.
05:33	thexyz	ask a weird question at 5:50 am @ leave 10 minutes later, nicely done
05:33	us`0gb	hmmmm: When I set the sea level higher, the land becomes higher as well.
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05:34	us`0gb	I tried to create a flooded map one time. It did not work.
05:34	hmmmm	uh huh
05:34	hoodedice	Same here
05:35	RealBadAngel	hmmmm, just take a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82u518A6C4A
05:35	us`0gb	So the land level is, directly or indirectly, set by that number.
05:35	hmmmm	it's not
05:35	cy1	Yeah it looks like you need a special mapgen to make a flooded land.
05:35	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: turn on your waving shader and look at apples :)
05:36	RealBadAngel	ofc, its plantlike too
05:36	RealBadAngel	groups are not yet implemented
05:36	RealBadAngel	atm every plantlike is waving
05:37	VanessaE	jut pointing it out for the record ;)
05:37	hoodedice	lol
05:37	us`0gb	hmmmm: Why does setting water_level to 1024 not flood the land (instead raising the land high as well) if that number does not effect land level? That makes no sense.
05:37	hoodedice	But RBA, didja look at Frostbite 3?
05:37	RealBadAngel	lol, i did
05:38	RealBadAngel	and i have to use PA's own weapon: that doesnt fit mt style ;)
05:38	* us`0gb	is going to retest this
05:38	hmmmm	ahhh
05:38	hmmmm	bug
05:39	VanessaE	hmmmm: your opinion is needed. do we go with a new field in the body of the node def, e.g. can_wave = true, or do we use a group, e.g. groups = {can_wave = 1, foo, bar} to decide which nodes the waving effect applies to?
05:39	VanessaE	(I favor the former)
05:39	cy1	In the v7 algorithm there's surface_y below which is stone, then water_level, below which is water (if not stone). surface_y can't be configured, nothing but hard code in there. It's odd you'd think raising water_level would raise the uh, water level but not raise surface_y.
05:41	cy1	annnnd in v6 base_terrain_level is based on water_level. Try a v7 map.
05:41	cy1	Are v7 maps still horribly broke?
05:42	hoodedice	The only biome is stone
05:42	cy1	Ugh...
05:42	hoodedice	And PilzAdam changed something so that some of the stone turns to something else
05:42	hoodedice	See PilzTest
05:42	cy1	Well that would produce a flooded world, if the dirt generation was mapgen independent.
05:42	cy1	plant generation etc
05:43	hoodedice	Hmm, I'm getting black patches in this worldedited water
05:43	hmmmm	VanessaE, I'd say the former
05:43	MinetestBot	GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Mapgen V6: Respect water_level setting b38afc9311 2013-11-20T21:43:27-08:00 http://git.io/kqkAMA
05:44	VanessaE	ok
05:44	us`0gb	I though that was an intentional feature.
05:45	hoodedice	Wow. kwolekr is one hell of a core dev
05:45	hoodedice	Now I'll need a new build again X.X
05:46	MinetestBot	GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: LuaVoxelManip: Update parameter index of set_lighting() 98e4e2b373 2013-11-20T21:45:17-08:00 http://git.io/nesCkQ
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05:48	RealBadAngel	hmmmm, about lighting issues, i had to clamp values calculated in shaders to be in range 0.0 - 1.0 to fix the problem
05:49	hmmmm	ah
05:49	MinetestBot	GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Fix possible implicit conversion of NULL to std::string 5323d800cc 2013-11-20T21:49:32-08:00 http://git.io/-GutHw
05:49	hoodedice	What about this? http://i.imgur.com/abn98LJ.png
05:49	hmmmm	I'll check that out sometime tomorrow after work RBA
05:50	hmmmm	i've really gotta go
05:50	VanessaE	:(
05:50	RealBadAngel	ok
05:50	hmmmm	need to wake up early actually
05:50	VanessaE	ok
05:50	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: what's next on the shader agenda?
05:50	RealBadAngel	now the settings
05:50	RealBadAngel	im coding it now
05:51	VanessaE	oh nice
05:51	RealBadAngel	and i think its time to settle shader settings in the menu
05:51	VanessaE	yes
05:51	RealBadAngel	apart from water shaders im nearly done with shaders
05:52	thexyz	VanessaE: why do you think it shouldn't be a group?
05:52	hoodedice	So no support for old stuff?
05:52	hoodedice	OpenGL 2?
05:52	RealBadAngel	why not?
05:52	VanessaE	thexyz: no particular reason, it just seems more appropriate as a node def field since lighting and other drawing-related things are there.
05:52	VanessaE	especially the drawtype
05:53	VanessaE	(since there are two shader routines (one for plantlike, one for leaves))
05:53	RealBadAngel	hoodedice, opengl version are pain in the ass to debug
05:53	VanessaE	don't I know that.
05:53	hoodedice	=)
05:54	RealBadAngel	if some1 have problems with shaders ie not running, i need error messages
05:54	hoodedice	Well, what about that pic I posted? Is it a known bug with WE?
05:54	hoodedice	Well, I did post all I could find
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06:09	hoodedice	RealBadAngel: Unified inventory has unsatisfied depends: creative
06:09	hoodedice	lol?
06:10	hoodedice	Ah, it does not work in custom games...
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06:12	RealBadAngel	UI shall work with or without creative
06:12	RealBadAngel	from where have you downloaded UI?
06:12	hoodedice	Git
06:12	RealBadAngel	link?
06:13	hoodedice	Another bug: In custom games, pressing 'Enter' will revert to stock inventory
06:13	RealBadAngel	https://github.com/minetest-technic/unified_inventory/blob/master/depends.txt
06:13	hoodedice	Sorry, I meant your forum page
06:13	hoodedice	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3933
06:13	RealBadAngel	such behaviour is impossible for current UI
06:14	RealBadAngel	please download it from repo again
06:14	hoodedice	hmm ok
06:14	RealBadAngel	https://github.com/minetest-technic/unified_inventory
06:15	RealBadAngel	i shall update that forum topic
06:16	VanessaE	hoodedice: how old is your copy of minetest?
06:16	hoodedice	Fiarly new
06:17	VanessaE	define "fairly new"
06:17	hoodedice	Yesterday's build I think - latest sfan5 build for windows
06:17	VanessaE	ok
06:17	hoodedice	5094a39
06:17	reactor	Hello.
06:18	hoodedice	hmm, I removed 'crative' from the custom games mod folder, now it's stuck at item definitions
06:18	hoodedice	*damn keyboard, creative
06:18	hoodedice	Yo
06:18	reactor	You probably need to learn typing.
06:18	hoodedice	-.-
06:19	hoodedice	RealBadAngel:
06:19	RealBadAngel	yes?
06:20	hoodedice	Removing creative from the custom_game folder does not output a depend error
06:20	hoodedice	But the game does not load either
06:20	hoodedice	And pressing enter blah blah
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06:21	reactor	Inocudom: EHLO
06:21	hoodedice	This does not happen in vanilla minetest
06:21	Inocudom	I saw the developments concerning RealBadAngel's shaders today.
06:21	hoodedice	=)
06:22	RealBadAngel	hoodedice, im not using creative at all
06:22	VanessaE	Inocudom: they're quite nice. plus he fixed some bugs that have plagued me for a while :)
06:22	RealBadAngel	and technic_game is also not using creative
06:22	RealBadAngel	in fact UI pays no shit if creative is there
06:22	RealBadAngel	if it is there UI disables it
06:22	Inocudom	It might be best if the finished parts of shaders were added first, like the improved bumpmapping.
06:23	hoodedice	Well, on my end stuff goes otherwise
06:23	hoodedice	Latest git of UI: without creative, the game gets stuck on load, in RealTest
06:23	hoodedice	Pressing enter will revert to old inventory, again in RealTest
06:23	Inocudom	The forums seem so dead these days. Posting there seems pointless at times.
06:24	hoodedice	Everything is hanky-panky in vanilla
06:24	RealBadAngel	hoodedice, i will take a look at RealTest later today
06:24	hoodedice	Why am I repeating schist?
06:24	hoodedice	cool.
06:25	RealBadAngel	meanwhile i propose you to check technic_game, it works without such problems
06:25	RealBadAngel	maybe you could find a reason on your own
06:25	Inocudom	Do you all know that proller's sky server uses his development branch? Great place to test some of its features.
06:26	RealBadAngel	Inocudom, i cant push just parts of the shaders, mainly because of architecture rework
06:27	RealBadAngel	so all or nothin ;)
06:27	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: once you get the config screen stuff put in, that's the time to push them
06:27	RealBadAngel	im coding now new group for waving stuff
06:28	VanessaE	cool
06:28	VanessaE	I guess I should make the necessary changes to my mods :)
06:28	hoodedice	Where is the code for the default inventory stored?
06:28	RealBadAngel	it looks like protocol version should be bumped then
06:29	VanessaE	ick
06:29	VanessaE	that's no good
06:29	RealBadAngel	if waving is a property it has to be serialized/deserialized together with everything else
06:29	RealBadAngel	so, protocol bump
06:30	VanessaE	well make sure you don't fuck up the backward compat :)
06:31	VanessaE	you know, stick the extra field off at the end after the "optional" stuff so that older clients that don't support the waving still work
06:32	cy1	I wish worldedit had a thing where you could layer stuff, like put down a layer of stone in the region, then a layer of dirt etc.
06:32	VanessaE	that would be useful yeah
06:34	Inocudom	I would kind of hope that people would not stick with old clients.
06:35	VanessaE	they have a habit of doing that.
06:35	hoodedice	=). There is no reason to.
06:35	hoodedice	People are in general - lazy
06:35	VanessaE	"but...version (mine + 0.0.1) is super slow!"
06:36	Inocudom	New builds introduce bug fixes. Bug fixes are a good thing.
06:37	Inocudom	As are new features (again, look on proller's sky server and look at his development branch.
06:37	hoodedice	entity dupe fix, water level fix
06:37	hoodedice	We could talk all day
06:37	hoodedice	Lets just release the stable
06:37	hoodedice	XD
06:38	Inocudom	Even oOChainLynxOo needs to be convinced to use new builds sometimes.
06:38	hoodedice	So...
06:39	hoodedice	Where is the default inventory stored?
06:39	RealBadAngel	and new features will introduce new bugs or will reveal good 'ol ones that were well hidden until now
06:39	VanessaE	heh yep
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06:40	Inocudom	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-NPBLpl34k&feature=share&list=UUGBOAQUgqCUtDA-4L4mHVzA-This is oOChainLynxOo's newest Minetest video.
06:41	hoodedice	THE LAG!
06:41	hoodedice	OH GOD THE LAAAG!!!
06:41	Inocudom	I sent him a PM to come to the RealTest server, but he did not read it yet.
06:42	VanessaE	hah
06:42	cy1	What is "finite" liquid anyway?
06:42	Inocudom	I also wish of him to test the HDX texture pack while there. Really improves things it does.
06:42	RealBadAngel	hmm, what if param type 2 could be used for waving?
06:43	Inocudom	It seems that most of the excitement with Minetest happens during my bedtime.
06:44	Inocudom	I must go to bed now.
06:45	RealBadAngel	VanessaE, ?
06:45	VanessaE	hm
06:45	VanessaE	that should wok
06:45	VanessaE	work*
06:45	VanessaE	there's no reason for a waving object to ever use facedir
06:46	VanessaE	paramtype2="waving"; param2=nil or 0 for no waving, 1 for plantlike waving, 2 for leaflike waving
06:46	VanessaE	sound good?
06:47	cy1	Which way would it be waving?
06:47	VanessaE	cy1: leaflike waves in all three dimensions
06:47	VanessaE	plantlike waves across all three also but the bottom is rooted/fixed.
06:47	RealBadAngel	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82u518A6C4A&feature=youtu.be
06:47	RealBadAngel	this way ;)
06:48	cy1	Anyone know how to get fluids to start flowing? They always just sit around until I put a torch next to the block or something.
06:48	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: I suggest allowing either shader to apply to any node, if that's possible - tapestries and tall, thin plants would use leaflike, for example
06:49	VanessaE	cy1: you just answered your own question ;) but I though that was fixed?
06:49	cy1	No, the source blocks are just sitting there. Just created a world now.
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06:51	cy1	Oh also with the "plantlike" draw type, tree leaves vanish from above or below.
06:54	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: wht do you think of that?
06:59	RealBadAngel	i dont think i can allow this for everything
07:09	cy1	looks like liquid_finite just... reduces the flow a little and changes how it moves?
07:11	cy1	but doesn't make it finite
07:47	cy1	Interestingly, the liquid_finite algorithm does NOT leave empty pockets of air sitting unfilled or caves with water ceilings. It even has the pockets bubble up like actual bubbles. Uh. when it hits the surface though things suck.
07:48	cy1	When the bubbles hit the surface they turn the sea into an uneven roiling mess of flowing and source water.
07:48	cy1	which isn't necessarily bad, but... not exactly clean
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08:41	reactor	Hmm.
08:41	reactor	Anyone would like to try talking in Newspeak?
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09:45	JamesTait	Good morning all; happy Use Less Stuff Day! :-D
09:49	reactor	Useless Stuff Day
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09:56	JamesTait	Nah, that massive collection of old cables and components in my garage is far from useless.
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10:22	reactor	No kittens here.
10:22	reactor	As you can see.
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10:28	reactor	OldCoder: o/
10:28	reactor	Any news?
10:29	Megaf	Hi all
10:29	Megaf	Good morning
10:29	reactor	Good [SUBJECT'S TIME OF THE DAY HERE].
10:29	Megaf	I got the latest master branch yesterday and updated almost all mods I was using and installed new ones
10:29	Megaf	no crash yet!
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10:30	Megaf	A day that starts without a crash is a good day
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11:21	reactor	Linsux.
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11:33	Megaf	reactor, so, you are a happy windows user
11:34	reactor	Why would you think that?
11:34	Megaf	folks, media will never load for me, can you try to login please? megaf.co.vu 30003
11:34	Megaf	reactor, so are you happy Mac OS X user
11:34	reactor	No.
11:35	Megaf	reactor, so you are a unhappy some OS user
11:35	reactor	No.
11:35	Megaf	What are you then?
11:35	reactor	I'm not telling ignorant people what I am.
11:35	reactor	And you're pretty ignorant.
11:36	Megaf	And you are not polite at all
11:37	Megaf	sfan5, have you tried to run XNU on the Raspberry Pi yet?
11:37	reactor	Being polite is too expensive, because time is precious.
11:38	reactor	Heh.
11:38	reactor	MacOS has some differences from vanilla UNIX.
11:38	Megaf	sfan5, I might give a try gnu-darwin, if I could get the lastest Darwin ISO/DMG
11:39	reactor	It is.
11:39	reactor	I know.
11:39	reactor	It is not.
11:39	reactor	It forked long ago.
11:39	reactor	It has beoken some conventions.
11:39	reactor	s/eo/ro/
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11:40	Megaf	john_minetest, nope
11:41	reactor	obama-nope.jpg
11:41	reactor	Debilian is schtupid.
11:41	Megaf	it (Mac OS X ) has some components from FreeBSD yes
11:41	Megaf	but thats all
11:41	reactor	But if I were to maintain a Linux system, I would probably use Debian.
11:41	reactor	I'm happy I don't have to.
11:41	Megaf	reactor, what OS do you use?
11:42	reactor	Megaf: BSD.
11:42	Megaf	john_minetest, sid for server? Are you crazy?
11:42	Megaf	sid is a test version of Debian
11:42	reactor	john_minetest: you have any problem with whores?
11:42	Megaf	it is not stable at all
11:42	reactor	Whores are honest.
11:42	Megaf	Arch is likely to crash too
11:42	reactor	I would say, they are the most honest women.
11:43	Megaf	I used Arch for a couple of years
11:43	reactor	Arch uses systemd nowadays.
11:43	reactor	Bad.
11:43	Megaf	john_minetest, yep, if you follow the "news" and avoid updating your system when theres a know problematic package
11:44	reactor	Or is init still available for arch?
11:44	Megaf	I know Arch Linux pretty well
11:45	Megaf	used it since before it turned a rolling release distro
11:45	reactor	mk
11:45	Megaf	I begun using it on its 0.6 version
11:50	reactor	Megaf: I have to apologise for the above.
11:51	reactor	That's how I check if the person I'm talking to is worth talking to.
11:52	Megaf	That's ok
11:52	reactor	Don't worry, you're allright.
11:53	Megaf	But I still can't connect to my server, I'm not sure if a local internet issue or what
11:53	reactor	Megaf: are you behind a router?
11:54	Megaf	reactor, Actually I can connect to it, but the "media" part of loading takes forever and will never complete
11:56	reactor	Slow upload?
11:56	reactor	You could publish the media cache separately, to speed it up.
11:57	Megaf	reactor, not quite, I put my server on a datacenter in London
11:57	Megaf	10 mbps of upload I think
12:00	reactor	Hmm.
12:00	reactor	Try publishing the cache separately, still.
12:01	reactor	I think there's a problem with media transfer in MT.
12:01	iqualfragile	reactor: ther eis
12:01	reactor	I see.
12:01	iqualfragile	reactor: it is quite smart to just run a webserver
12:01	reactor	?
12:01	reactor	MT?
12:01	reactor	oh.
12:02	reactor	I see.
12:02	iqualfragile	minetest
12:02	reactor	Yes, put the media on FTP, Megaf.
12:02	iqualfragile	Ã¼hmâ€¦ i am not quite shure if ftp is supported
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12:03	iqualfragile	remote_media = http://mineguild.de:8000/
12:03	iqualfragile	then cd in your mods folder and run
12:03	iqualfragile	find -name "*.png" -exec ln {} ../remotemedia/ \; 2> /dev/zero
12:04	iqualfragile	for every filetype thee may be
12:04	iqualfragile	(png, ogg, jpg, x, b3d)
12:04	iqualfragile	then cd into ../remotemedia
12:04	iqualfragile	and run python -m SimpleHTTPServer >../webserv.log 2> ../webserv.log &
12:04	iqualfragile	you might need to use python2 if your distribution uses python3 by default
12:05	Megaf	I see
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12:05	reactor	Why FTP... Well, I find FTP more convenient to set up, because most OS come with FTPD.
12:05	reactor	And you have to get HTTPD from packages.
12:06	reactor	And go through a tedious process to set it up.
12:07	jojoa1997	RealBadAngel ping
12:09	reactor	jojoa1997: ping Google.
12:10	jojoa1997	nah
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12:28	iqualfragile	reactor: in case ftp works: notify me
12:30	reactor	I'm not trying it soon.
12:32	reactor	Mkay.
12:32	reactor	Well, I'm not yet interested in creating public HTTP services on my machine.
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12:44	sfan5	Megaf: hm?
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13:13	dafull97	!up 69.175.27.170:25565
13:13	MinetestBot	dafull97: Syntax changed, please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
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13:31	sfan5	25556?
13:34	dafull97	yes was checking a friends server, on minecraft =/ forgot todo "/query"
13:37	Hunterz	!up ic2.b-paradise.eu 27100
13:38	MinetestBot	ic2.b-paradise.eu:27100 seems to be down
13:38	Hunterz	lol
13:40	Hunterz	!up vanilla.b-paradise.eu
13:40	MinetestBot	vanilla.b-paradise.eu:30000 seems to be down
13:40	Hunterz	!up vanilla.b-paradise.eu 25565
13:40	MinetestBot	vanilla.b-paradise.eu:25565 seems to be down
13:40	Hunterz	hm
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13:41	dafull97	Hunterz, is it port 25565?
13:44	dafull97	there are several other servers that run on this domain, so besure of it's Port
13:45	sfan5	dafull97: !up checks minetest servers, not minecraft
13:45	dafull97	it can check any =P
13:45	Hunterz	:)
13:45	sfan5	no
13:46	dafull97	really?
13:46	sfan5	it checks only minetest servers
13:46	sfan5	only!
13:46	Hunterz	ok
13:46	Hunterz	!up 62.182.235.9
13:46	MinetestBot	62.182.235.9:30000 is up (111ms)
13:46	sfan5	lol, why is there a minetest 0.4.7 torrent on TPB?
13:47	dafull97	let me test it =P
13:48	dafull97	!up 184.164.152.170 49084
13:48	MinetestBot	184.164.152.170:49084 seems to be down
13:48	dafull97	omg! wow
13:48	dafull97	opps well better go tell him
13:48	Hunterz	please how i can get into servers list? it is automatic update page?
13:48	dafull97	servers.minetest.net
13:48	dafull97	and im not sure
13:50	Hunterz	in the minetest.conf is server_announce variable, but not seen any network activity (announcing)
13:51	dafull97	"server_announce=1" server_announce=true
13:51	dafull97	one of them
13:51	dafull97	i cannot remember if it is a number or a true/false
13:51	Hunterz	im tried botho of them, but does not work...
13:51	dafull97	is behind a router
13:51	dafull97	?
13:51	Hunterz	no
13:52	dafull97	what is the network setup, and what machine is it on?
13:52	Hunterz	i have own machine on public ips
13:52	dafull97	windows?
13:52	Hunterz	oh no
13:52	dafull97	is firewall enabled on the machine?
13:52	dafull97	hwat os?
13:52	dafull97	what*
13:52	Hunterz	no
13:53	Hunterz	linux
13:53	dafull97	ubuntu? arch?
13:53	Hunterz	simply linux, distribution does not affect :)
13:54	sfan5	wtf is this https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/minetest./id717384883
13:54	dafull97	well, kinda does sometimes... different command ect.. haha
13:55	dafull97	is it at your house or is it a vps/etc.?
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13:55	Hunterz	own machine no vps
13:56	Hunterz	in the serverhousing
13:58	dafull97	have you tried port forward within the machine?
13:58	Hunterz	not need port forward
13:58	dafull97	so not tried
13:58	Hunterz	machine have public ip
13:58	dafull97	ohh =/ what is it?
13:58	dafull97	try ping it
13:59	Hunterz	!up 62.182.235.9
13:59	MinetestBot	62.182.235.9:30000 is up (115ms)
13:59	dafull97	seems it is running
13:59	dafull97	what is server name
13:59	Hunterz	minetest.b-paradise.eu
14:00	dafull97	!up minetest.b-paradise.eu
14:00	MinetestBot	minetest.b-paradise.eu:30000 is up (141ms)
14:00	dafull97	looks like a server announce problem
14:00	dafull97	not sure though
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14:02	thexyz	sfan5: you tested it?
14:02	sfan5	no
14:03	thexyz	okay
14:03	thexyz	sadly the only i device I have is iPad first gen which possibly won't be able to run it
14:04	sfan5	I have a device which is able to run it
14:04	thexyz	cool
14:04	thexyz	also
14:04	thexyz	in the end we haven't received modified sources of that buildcraft thing, have we?
14:05	sfan5	no
14:05	thexyz	> Massachusetts police have admitted to paying a bitcoin ransom after being infected by the Cryptolocker ransomware.
14:05	thexyz	I see
14:05	thexyz	no one cared it seems
14:05	sfan5	lol
14:05	thexyz	well I guess some day someone will port it
14:06	sfan5	the cheapest iOS device is currently the iPad mini (non-retina)
14:07	thexyz	it's like 505$ here it seems
14:07	thexyz	Apple iPad mini 16Gb Wi-Fi + Cellular
14:07	thexyz	or 345$ wifi only
14:08	sfan5	289â‚¬ for 16GB wifi-only
14:09	sfan5	the iPad mini non-retina isn't on the russian apple website
14:10	sfan5	you can build a computer with 64GB SSD for half the price
14:10	thexyz	well now compare average salaries in russia and germany
14:11	sfan5	803 vs. 2865 (ru vs. de)
14:12	sfan5	wow the ATmega1284 is not cheap (5â‚¬)
14:13	thexyz	and to get even more sad
14:13	thexyz	now check out moscow average salary
14:14	sfan5	1125â‚¬?
14:14	sfan5	wait no.. 675â‚¬
14:15	thexyz	the first one is more close actually
14:17	thexyz	but it still sucks, eh?
14:18	sfan5	yeah
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14:28	Peacock	weird captcha, the second image is a matchbox with nothing written on it lol
14:29	naxthesurvivor	suddenly: argentina :P
14:29	Peacock	argentina? lol
14:30	naxthesurvivor	well now compare average salaries in russia and germany
14:30	naxthesurvivor	argentina vs germany
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14:34	proller	cy1, liquid_finite = 1 liquid_relax = 0 liquid_fast_flood = 0 - true constant-volume liquids
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14:49	jojoa1997	hi
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15:04	jojoa1997	PilzAdam ping
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15:23	reactor	Oh yeah, radioactive decay is much mor optimal.
15:23	reactor	s/mor/more/
15:24	reactor	That was very ignorant.
15:25	reactor	Oh, you're talkinb about leaves being removed if not attached to wood?
15:25	reactor	bury one block of tree wood in the ground underneath the wedge.
15:25	reactor	hedge*
15:26	reactor	Shouldn't degrade the look.
15:26	reactor	Try burying only one block somewhere.
15:26	reactor	Or one block per some distance.
15:27	reactor	...or you could grow trees periodically along the hedge.
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15:52	Peacock	simple: houseboat + rooftop garden
15:53	* RealBadAngel	yawns
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16:08	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
16:09	reactor	Hello MushroomAdam.
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16:16	reactor	EvergreenTree: o/
16:16	EvergreenTree	o/
16:16	EvergreenTree	Been listening to the new mostercat album all day
16:16	EvergreenTree	:D
16:16	EvergreenTree	*monstercat
16:16	reactor	Genre?
16:18	EvergreenTree	EDM
16:18	EvergreenTree	Monstrecat isn't an artist, it is a promoter
16:18	EvergreenTree	It's more of a label then anything else
16:19	PilzAdam	EvergreenTree, you like jelly trees?
16:20	EvergreenTree	Yes
16:20	RealBadAngel	hi
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16:21	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam, branch is updated with setting for waving and paramtype2 for drawtypes
16:24	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, why paramtype2 ?
16:24	PilzAdam	why dont you like waving nodes that use wavedir?
16:24	PilzAdam	*facedir
16:26	reactor	wavedir
16:27	RealBadAngel	paramtype2 because it will be configureable
16:27	PilzAdam	it should be a new field in nodedef
16:27	RealBadAngel	no when i want it to be configureable like facedir
16:28	PilzAdam	but you block waving nodes from using facedir or wallmounted then
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16:28	RealBadAngel	waving is only for leaves and plantlike
16:28	PilzAdam	more stuff seems broken in your branch now
16:29	RealBadAngel	what is broken??
16:29	jojoa1997	RealBadAngel did you get my pm?
16:29	PilzAdam	leaves arent waving anymore, plants a still invisible, lava is too dark, flowing water is flickering, water isnt waving
16:29	PilzAdam	and glass is still opaque
16:29	RealBadAngel	leaves need to be redefined, enabled in config
16:30	PilzAdam	I have waving_water = true and waving_leaves = true
16:30	RealBadAngel	more of the effect i cant notice :)
16:30	RealBadAngel	water waving is not added
16:30	RealBadAngel	edit farming and add paramtype2="waving" to plants defs
16:31	RealBadAngel	same should apply to leaves defs
16:31	PilzAdam	well, I guess that wont help since plants are simply invisible
16:31	RealBadAngel	i will clone and build it from scratch, maybe something is missing
16:32	RealBadAngel	here water, lava, and everythin works
16:34	PilzAdam	how is waving configureable over param2?
16:35	RealBadAngel	by now only setting it to "waving" works, i will add there actual values for it
16:36	PilzAdam	I still think its the wrong way to do it over param2
16:36	PilzAdam	just waving = <int>, in nodedef should be enough
16:36	RealBadAngel	i reapeat, i need configuration ability
16:36	PilzAdam	it would be useful for e.g. fire to wave a lot more than grass
16:37	PilzAdam	you get the configuration over the value in the nodedef field
16:37	RealBadAngel	only on/off
16:37	RealBadAngel	that is not enough
16:37	PilzAdam	do you actually read what I say?
16:37	proller	water_source and lava_source param2=128 used in finite liquids to make spring
16:38	PilzAdam	<PilzAdam> waving = <int>
16:38	PilzAdam	<int> means a number, so you can set it to waving = 1, for slow waving, and waving = 255 for e.g. fire
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16:38	RealBadAngel	hrm, i can do it that way, but then protocol version should be bumped
16:39	PilzAdam	dont bump it in your pull request yet, well do that when we merge it
16:40	RealBadAngel	^^thats because of serialize/deserialize
16:41	pitriss	Hi, please i want to ask.. How I can detect in mod that object is player?
16:41	RealBadAngel	is_player() or something like that iirc
16:42	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, also raillike is invisible
16:43	RealBadAngel	pitriss, object:is_player() returns true if object is a player
16:43	pitriss	thanks:)
16:44	RealBadAngel	because of settings and node definitions
16:44	RealBadAngel	nodes shall be redefined to use the effect, and config setting shall be used
16:46	PilzAdam	john_minetest, patch that into minetest_game: https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/7585235
16:46	PilzAdam	and set waving_{water,leaves,plants} = true in minetest.conf
16:47	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, use_texture_alpha nodes seem to be broken too
16:48	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam, i just built from scratch, and have none of the effects you are talkin
16:48	RealBadAngel	i suggest makin a clean build
16:48	PilzAdam	what does that change?
16:49	RealBadAngel	nothin is broken
16:49	RealBadAngel	you seem to be having a mess there, dunno why
16:50	PilzAdam	eh
16:50	RealBadAngel	i just cloned the repo, cloned minetest game
16:50	RealBadAngel	and everything works just fine
16:50	PilzAdam	I have the code that you have in your shaders_rework branch
16:51	RealBadAngel	please clone it again into different folder and build again
16:51	PilzAdam	what does that change?
16:52	RealBadAngel	just check if you still have it all wrong or it is fine
16:52	RealBadAngel	because i cannot see any of your issues
16:52	PilzAdam	john_minetest, wget https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/7585235/raw/a1b36c213c34e259577f6329e9e96e15c03598a6/gistfile1.diff && git apply gistfile1.diff
16:52	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, I have exactly your code, redownloading or rebuilding doesnt change anything
16:52	RealBadAngel	you are even talkin bout raillike while i havent changed anything railike related
16:53	PilzAdam	maybe you should stop coding stuff that only works for you ;-)
16:53	RealBadAngel	just rebuild it, you have mess there and see
16:54	PilzAdam	john_minetest, apply it by hand then?
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16:55	PilzAdam	john_minetest, wait, Ill push it to my fork
16:56	PilzAdam	john_minetest, checkout my tmp branch
16:56	PilzAdam	john_minetest, http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-11-21#i_3447297
16:56	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, building the same code produces the same results
16:59	Peacock	i wonder, if PA's gf played minetest, do you think she'd use the handle PilzMadam?
16:59	Peacock	(dont mind me, sleep deprived, and the plumber just tore a chunk of my bathroom ceiling out lol)
16:59	PilzAdam	Peacock, or PilzEve?
17:00	Peacock	Eve was gonna be my second guess lol
17:00	Peacock	but at first i thought "hey PilzMadam is an anagram", then i thought longer lol
17:02	Peacock	the quantum mechanics branch?
17:03	cy1	proller: I assume you mean true/false by 1/0 for the liquid_finite stuff.
17:03	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, flowing water looks normal in minimal, maybe you broke animation code?
17:03	proller	cy1, both works
17:03	cy1	'k
17:03	RealBadAngel	havent touched it at all
17:04	thexyz	and now some politics http://1gatta-felice.livejournal.com/495643.html
17:04	cy1	proller: And the bubbles don't leave permanent pits in the ocean?
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17:05	cy1	looks like they're leaving permanent pits to me...
17:05	proller	leave, if true constant
17:05	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest/compare/shaders_rework#diff-c2f90db5de8c33a259c27113939c63c5L1377
17:05	PilzAdam	whats that then?
17:06	cy1	I'd prefer the ocean to end up smooth.
17:06	proller	cy1, but by default 0-level ocean is renewing
17:06	proller	with liquid_relax >= 1
17:07	Peacock	how does a liquid relax? if it goes in the sun, it evaporates, if you give it beer, at assimilates into the mixture :/
17:07	Peacock	*at=it
17:07	iqualfragile	Peacock: disco!
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17:07	cy1	proller: OK so liquid_relax >= 1
17:07	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam, that adds just switch to detect if normal is in uniform sampler
17:08	PilzAdam	it touches the animate() method
17:08	RealBadAngel	can anybody else build https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest/archive/shaders_rework.zip and confirm if for example glass is opaque or railike invisble?
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17:08	RealBadAngel	we seem to be having weird problems
17:08	iqualfragile	RealBadAngel: at it
17:09	cy1	proller: Thank you btw!
17:10	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, its the Bumped TP!
17:10	PilzAdam	its only invisible there
17:10	iqualfragile	so should i test with bumpmaps?
17:11	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam, please do delete everything from tp that is not normal file
17:11	iqualfragile	RealBadAngel: do you have some version of your bumped tp with a slightly lower resolution?
17:12	RealBadAngel	i mean all the textures, leave there only _normal.png files
17:12	RealBadAngel	im talkin bout it right now
17:12	Peacock	speaking of which, "Brooms for Beer: Amsterdam Enlists Alcoholic Street Cleaners"
17:12	RealBadAngel	Bumped doesnt require upscaled textures
17:12	RealBadAngel	it can work with default 16x ones
17:13	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, that breaks the drawtypes again
17:14	RealBadAngel	can you check another texture pack?
17:14	RealBadAngel	maybe just normals are wrong
17:15	RealBadAngel	anyway Bumped was just proof of concept
17:16	iqualfragile	RealBadAngel: so: are there any x16 tps with bumpmaps?
17:16	RealBadAngel	not yet
17:16	Peacock	man, x16 textures are so pixelated, japanese men get off to them
17:16	RealBadAngel	bumpmapping requires >128x to look good
17:17	RealBadAngel	thats why normalmaps in bumped are 256x
17:17	RealBadAngel	trick is that texture doesnt have to be same size
17:17	RealBadAngel	in shaders textures are kinda scaling themselves to fit coords range 0.0 - 1.0
17:18	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, the waving shader doesnt look good at all for flowers: http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/453/FlowersWavingShader.png
17:18	RealBadAngel	i know, thats why i needed param2
17:18	PilzAdam	the intersection point should stay the same
17:18	PilzAdam	add waving_type = "grass/flower" to nodedef then
17:19	PilzAdam	this is not something that belongs into param2 at all
17:19	RealBadAngel	HavenNG
17:19	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam, ok ok, i will change the setting
17:20	RealBadAngel	using param2 was just way easier for me
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17:20	iqualfragile	Sokomine: http://mg.viewskew.com/u/sokomine/m/screenshot-1832968417/ new mobf-mobs?
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17:21	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam, btw, please run Terasology and see how flowers look there
17:21	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, is that how rails in Haven are supposed to look? http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/454/HavenShader.png
17:22	Peacock	BS has wavy stuff too
17:22	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam, have you made that shot with Haven or HavenNG?
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17:23	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, eh?
17:23	RealBadAngel	Haven is discontinued
17:23	RealBadAngel	and may have wrong textures
17:23	PilzAdam	but how does that matter? bumpmaps are broken
17:23	RealBadAngel	it does matter
17:24	PilzAdam	the in-game texture doesnt fit the texture in the TP
17:24	RealBadAngel	please download HavenNG
17:24	sfan5	RealBadAngel: I need to set paramtype2 to "waving" right?
17:24	PilzAdam	when I remove the normalmap then the texture looks normal
17:25	RealBadAngel	http://realbadangel.pl/minetest/HavenNG/HavenNG.zip
17:25	PilzAdam	so you broke texture packs, you have to fix it either way
17:25	RealBadAngel	sfan5, yes
17:25	PilzAdam	what TP I use doesnt matter
17:25	sfan5	nothing happend if I do that for flowers
17:25	sfan5	happens*
17:26	RealBadAngel	it fuckin does matter, normal map is obliged to provide heightmap
17:26	PilzAdam	sfan5, waving_plants = true in minetest.conf
17:26	cy1	hm... with liquid_finite=true you run out of source lava <_<
17:26	sfan5	PilzAdam: did that
17:26	RealBadAngel	HavenNG = Haven Next Gen
17:27	RealBadAngel	it fully supports bumpmapping and parallax oclussion
17:27	RealBadAngel	and way its done is one and only way to do that
17:28	sfan5	nvm.. it works
17:28	RealBadAngel	any previous tp packs that were using normal mapping can be broken because of lack of heightmaps
17:28	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, does that mean that the TP that currently support bumpmaps wont work with your code anymore?
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17:29	Sokomine	iqualfragile: aspiremint did a few very nice models (including textures) for animals :-) they work better in mobf than simple mobs
17:29	RealBadAngel	If you will continue talkin bout discontinued tp i will just delete its forums topic
17:29	Sokomine	even with mobf, they need some finetuning
17:29	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, what about Sphax'?
17:29	PilzAdam	will that be broken too?
17:29	PilzAdam	or HDX?
17:29	RealBadAngel	hdx doesnt have normalmaps atm
17:29	RealBadAngel	sphax also
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17:30	PilzAdam	sphax one has normalmaps
17:30	Sokomine	does that waving_plants work with current git?
17:30	RealBadAngel	i have almost finished normals for sphax, but will release them in the future
17:30	PilzAdam	what about util/generate_texture_normals.sh ?
17:30	harrison	the swiss were the ones who invented a cheese which when you buy it at the shop if you aren't watchful they charge you for the holes
17:30	PilzAdam	will that be broken too?
17:31	iqualfragile	Sokomine: ah ok
17:31	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam, that script should be also updated to support heightmaps, adding just one switch to it, nothing special
17:31	RealBadAngel	no
17:31	PilzAdam	so bumpmaps withouth that heightmap thing wont work with Minetest at all?
17:32	iqualfragile	RealBadAngel: did you remove the weaving?
17:32	iqualfragile	plants do not seem to weave anymore
17:32	RealBadAngel	it will work, but the normal file have to fulfill standards
17:32	RealBadAngel	alpha channel have to be set to 1
17:33	iqualfragile	RealBadAngel: do your modifications support actual bumpmaps?
17:33	RealBadAngel	also, normal file HAVE to be RGBA
17:33	iqualfragile	RealBadAngel: why rgba? normalmaps are rgb
17:33	RealBadAngel	and before it happened (as some of the textures) that they were RGB just
17:34	RealBadAngel	a contains heightmap
17:34	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, whats that: http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/455/TextureRepeatingBug.png ?
17:34	PilzAdam	the texture is repeating itself when you look up
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17:34	RealBadAngel	set parallax_mapping_mode to 1
17:34	PilzAdam	it doesnt happen at the upper edge if you look down, though
17:35	RealBadAngel	mode 2 is not for such textures, it will work only with tileable ones
17:35	RealBadAngel	mode 2 is shifting textures to get "deeper" effect
17:36	RealBadAngel	modes will be defineable for node to use
17:36	RealBadAngel	and there will be just parallax on/off
17:37	RealBadAngel	btw, its not a bug but very normal behaviour of Steep parallax mapping
17:37	PilzAdam	is the water in HavenNG not animated?
17:37	RealBadAngel	can be so
17:37	RealBadAngel	i havent finished new water textures
17:39	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, is it wanted that waving nodes "jump" when I run a /time command?
17:40	RealBadAngel	yes
17:40	RealBadAngel	every waving effect depends on timeOfDay
17:41	sfan5	RealBadAngel: why does waving=64 disable waving?
17:41	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, flowing water is still flickering with HavenNG
17:41	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam, i will upload water in a few minutes
17:42	RealBadAngel	sfan5, dont use any values atm, just paramtype2="waving"
17:43	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam, have you changed parallax_mapping_mode to 1?
17:43	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, can you update the Bumped TP to fit your new standard?
17:43	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, yea, that works
17:44	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam, its hard to code and do everything at the same time
17:44	RealBadAngel	im trying to do my best
17:44	RealBadAngel	its all too new to get everythin done in no time
17:45	Peacock	perhaps the time has come to clone RBA?
17:45	RealBadAngel	not to mention fighting and debbuging for different OpenGL versions, thats real pain in the ass
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17:46	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam, which remainds me, darker lava and every liquid is an issue of ligthin code
17:46	RealBadAngel	c55 coded it in a wrong way
17:46	Peacock	lighting = suckitude
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17:46	RealBadAngel	first of all, lights were not clamped
17:47	RealBadAngel	then was brighten-the-top code
17:47	RealBadAngel	which failed for liquids
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17:47	Peacock	and this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1015
17:48	RealBadAngel	about clamping, some versions of opengl clamped it automatically, some dont
17:48	RealBadAngel	thats why for example VanessaE had way too bright flowing lava
17:48	Megaf_	john_minetest, yep, shaders are messed up with nvidia on the master branch
17:49	RealBadAngel	different versions of opengl are not enough, now time to fight amd vs nvidia
17:49	RealBadAngel	lmao
17:50	RealBadAngel	i should stay at coding technic for sake of my sanity lol
17:50	Peacock	sanity is overrated, which reminds me, i have to go water my unicorns
17:52	RealBadAngel	anyway, ive almost rebuilt settings tab, will upload it soon
17:52	RealBadAngel	testing it all with config is just annoying
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17:53	rubenwardy	What is it called when making a database, you minimise fields in each table? Ie, instead of results = "one,two,three", you make a separate results table linking to the first
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17:59	Calinou	serialization?
18:00	proller	normalization
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18:05	RealBadAngel	i have to buy new GPU for me too ;)
18:05	Calinou	645 isn't that good
18:06	Calinou	john_minetest, try using 4Ã— antialiasing and anisotropic filtering
18:06	Calinou	with a fullscreen window, and see :P
18:06	Peacock	now now, no need for an e-dong measuring contest
18:12	Calinou	john_minetest, it is easy to do
18:12	Calinou	in settings, enable anisotropic filtering, bilinear and trilinear
18:12	Calinou	and add "fsaa = 4" in minetest.conf
18:12	PilzAdam	bilinear and trilinear?
18:13	Peacock	no quadlinear or pentalinear?
18:13	Calinou	PilzAdam, bilinear/trilinear filtering
18:13	Calinou	err
18:13	Calinou	you don't have to enable these
18:13	Calinou	you enable mipmapping and anisotropic filtering
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18:26	rubenwardy	Thanks, proller
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18:43	AndrewPH	pentagrams everywhere, help
18:45	iqualfragile	AndrewPH: wut?
18:45	AndrewPH	(I'm being 'xd random' sorry)
18:46	AndrewPH	I also think this is my first time ever talking in here in the like year I've been here
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18:47	Jordach	ello all
18:48	AndrewPH	hola
18:48	* Jordach	found out Jordach's machine doesn't like the Intel Core 2 Duo
18:49	Jordach	we also cleaned every. last. piece. gave it contact cleaner and brand new heat paste
18:50	iqualfragile	AndrewPH: great
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18:52	Warr1024	So what's the cause of this: Blank block data in database (datastr.length() == 0)
18:53	Warr1024	I've seen these underground as a result of crashes, and I assume they're getting replaced by mapgen, then are effectively repaired whenever someone changes a node within the affected area, flushing that block to disk.
18:53	PilzAdam	Warr1024, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/aa172bdda47555096524ac2331f0a285666f037b
18:53	Warr1024	I also notice them happening up in the air...
18:53	Jordach	Warr1024, they're probably caused by mapgen
18:54	Warr1024	looks like that commit only applies to sqlite3
18:54	PilzAdam	Warr1024, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/d419e4cbb65d899239fafb5027b16fb9cb564adf
18:55	Warr1024	cool. Are these already merged in? Man, I guess it's been a while since I rebuilt the server from source...
18:55	PilzAdam	yes, these are in the master branch
18:55	PilzAdam	(see that little branch symbol with "master" written next to it under the commit message)
18:56	Calinou	AndrewPH, hello, we like Minecraft here!
18:56	AndrewPH	Calinou: I heard it's all the rage!
18:57	Warr1024	ok, I see where they are now
18:58	AndrewPH	farewell, friends. showering! o/
18:58	Calinou	bye
18:58	Warr1024	unfortunately, it looks like my compiled version is 86ef7147b60868f86d38d55a1dcf6271d68427ce, which is after those fixes.
18:59	PilzAdam	Warr1024, before these Minetest just crashed AFAIK
18:59	Warr1024	VER=0.4.7-MSVC-394-g86ef714-dirty BUILD_TYPE=Debug RUN_IN_PLACE=1 USE_GETTEXT=0 USE_SOUND=0 USE_CURL=1 USE_FREETYPE=0 USE_LUAJIT=1 STATIC_SHAREDIR=.
18:59	Warr1024	oh, I see
18:59	Warr1024	so this just downgraded it to an optional quit/warning.
18:59	PilzAdam	how old is your world?
18:59	Warr1024	a few weeks or so.
19:00	Warr1024	you're thinking these blanks were leftover from previous issues?
19:00	PilzAdam	hmmm said that the reason why it happens on VanessaE's server was that the map was very old
19:00	PilzAdam	+m
19:00	Warr1024	I have had some crashes for other reasons; I suppose if leveldb's transaction model isn't very safe, there could be partial writes on crash...
19:01	Warr1024	so I can comfortably ignore these messages unless something really nasty happens like a major crash or some important structure getting eaten?
19:01	Warr1024	well, I've got nightly snapshots anyway...
19:01	PilzAdam	you use leveldb?
19:01	Warr1024	(of the world)
19:01	Warr1024	yeah, I was on 1.5.0, updated to 1.14.0 recently.
19:01	PilzAdam	and I guess VanessaE does too....
19:01	Warr1024	apparently OpenBSD's port was pretty old.
19:01	Warr1024	honestly, I wouldn't be bothered as much if the message only happened once per block.
19:02	Warr1024	i.e. if the server found a block that it thinks exists but is empty, it warned me once, then just regenned the block and wrote it back immediately.
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19:02	Warr1024	instead, when this happens, I get a flood of these messages until something I guess causes the block to get written back.
19:03	Warr1024	is there maybe some way I can scan the leveldb db and find all entries where length == 0, and nuke 'em so that I can tell whether these blank blocks are still being created vs. artifacts of a previous version?
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19:05	thexyz	a game in 0 lines written in js http://jsfiddle.net/0dmin/9dQx3/embedded/result/
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19:09	rubenwardy	It uses css animation???
19:09	Warr1024	I wrote something like that once
19:09	Warr1024	it ran MUCH smoother after I discovered canvas :-)
19:11	Jordach	thexyz, 10/10 would play again
19:11	Warr1024	technically, if it's 0 lines of js, it's not really written in js.
19:12	Warr1024	are you supposed to be able to shoot? I couldn't figure out how.
19:13	thexyz	no, you should avoid enemies and click bonuses and that's all
19:13	Warr1024	ah, ok, cool
19:14	Jordach	it's a PoC
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19:14	Jordach	Proof of Concept
19:14	Jordach	NOT piece of CRAP
19:15	Warr1024	unless by CRAP you mean CSS Recreational Animation Project :-)
19:15	Jordach	zing
19:26	rubenwardy	lol
19:26	rubenwardy	That was quick
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19:29	jojoa1997	RealBadAngel how do i enable the leave and plant shaders in your shaders fork
19:31	* Jordach	has learned how to tile his 64px textures
19:31	Jordach	http://i.imgur.com/3OIRnJ6.png
19:37	Jordach	dammit peacock :P
19:39	sfan5	meow
19:43	sfan5	!tell Jordach MinetestBot is a kitten
19:43	MinetestBot	sfan5: I'll pass that on when Jordach is around
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19:46	rubenwardy	cool
19:47	EvergreenTree	Yes, I notice that this notice is not worth noticing, even though I noticed you noticing it
19:51	Warr1024	wow, I just discovered chocolatey. I've been waiting for about 10 years for something like that.
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19:59	EvergreenTree	o/ CAl
19:59	EvergreenTree	Calinou,
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20:04	Jordach	pics or gtfo
20:04	MinetestBot	Jordach: <sfan5> MinetestBot is a kitten
20:04	sfan5	!g chocolatey
20:04	MinetestBot	sfan5: http://chocolatey.org/
20:05	Calinou	hi
20:05	sfan5	hi
20:05	Warr1024	I've used supposed package managers for Windows before, but they haven't been very consistent.
20:05	Warr1024	hopefully this one will work better...
20:06	sfan5	make a kitten simulator!
20:10	PilzAdam	sfan5, http://z0r.de/5216
20:11	sfan5	PilzAdam, http://z0r.de/17
20:12	PilzAdam	http://z0r.de/1134
20:12	Jordach	dafuq is that place
20:12	PilzAdam	http://z0r.de/4100
20:13	sfan5	http://z0r.de/2158
20:13	PilzAdam	Trolltastic!
20:13	Jordach	HA
20:13	sfan5	http://z0r.de/3209
20:13	sfan5	this one's for Calinou http://z0r.de/4057
20:14	* Jordach	doesn't mind the chiptune, Jordach doesn't like the video attached
20:15	sfan5	what 'bout this? http://z0r.de/2317
20:15	PilzAdam	http://z0r.de/3676
20:15	Calinou	what are these links
20:15	sfan5	wub wub wub
20:15	Calinou	<john_minetest> I'd like to write some software
20:15	Calinou	write VRAM reclocking for nouveau!
20:16	PilzAdam	http://z0r.de/1457
20:16	sfan5	http://z0r.de/5165
20:17	PilzAdam	http://z0r.de/1845
20:17	sfan5	http://z0r.de/1606
20:18	PilzAdam	http://z0r.de/1887
20:18	thexyz	why are there two packages for git in that chocolatey thing?
20:19	sfan5	http://z0r.de/5114
20:19	thexyz	also is there any sane terminal emulator for windows?
20:19	PilzAdam	http://z0r.de/4895
20:19	Jordach	one more z0r.de link and a kick might arise
20:19	Jordach	(hint ##minetestbot)
20:19	sfan5	http://z0r.de/119
20:19	sfan5	meow
20:19	sfan5	it won't
20:19	thexyz	http://z0r.de/
20:20	thexyz	no kick?
20:20	PilzAdam	http://z0r.de/2133
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20:20	troller	thexyz, cygwin
20:20	sfan5	http://z0r.de/1485
20:20	Jordach	!op
20:20	PilzAdam	!deop Jordach
20:20	sfan5	heheheheheheheh :D
20:20	Jordach	PilzAdam, i can just multiline !kick
20:20	thexyz	troller: you mean that terminal emulator included with cygwin?
20:20	thexyz	will the bot kick itself if asked?
20:20	troller	yes
20:20	sfan5	yes
20:21	PilzAdam	http://z0r.de/541
20:21	Jordach	so when you complain of spam, you bitch and kick, but when you do, you think you're all powerful
20:21	thexyz	troller: cool, will probably try it
20:21	Jordach	you're not the fucking US Gov.
20:21	thexyz	last time I've got an issue with it
20:21	sfan5	http://z0r.de/2059
20:21	thexyz	where cursor is the same color as terminal background
20:21	thexyz	wasn't really pleasant to use
20:21	thexyz	but hey
20:21	thexyz	that's Windows
20:22	thexyz	we love it, right?
20:22	Jordach	thexyz, write your own terminal software then
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20:22	Jordach	just like i wrote my Lua one, to replace the windblows one
20:22	thexyz	no matter what weird decisions it makes
20:22	thexyz	Jordach: I'm not really willing to write a terminal emulator for windows
20:22	PilzAdam	Calinou, http://z0r.de/2908
20:22	sfan5	PilzAdam, http://z0r.de/3884
20:23	thexyz	guys, stop with that z0r.de stuff
20:23	PilzAdam	sfan5, do you have a database of z0r links?
20:23	thexyz	let's talk about serious things
20:23	sfan5	PilzAdam: kinda
20:23	Jordach	next link is a kick
20:23	PilzAdam	:-/ I give up
20:23	thexyz	yande.re, sankaku complex, and gelbooru are all inaccessible from Russia
20:23	PilzAdam	nobody beats sfan5 in a z0r-link battle
20:23	sfan5	http://z0r.de/2670
20:23	PilzAdam	Jordach, http://minetest.net/
20:24	thexyz	and danbooru too it seems
20:24	PilzAdam	lol, http://z0r.de/2742
20:24	PilzAdam	^ what I do at uni all the day
20:24	Jordach	!kick sfan5 no more z0r.de plox
20:24		sfan5 was kicked by MinetestBot: no more z0r.de plox
20:24	* MinetestBot	flying kicks sfan5
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20:24	troller	thexyz, and redtube!
20:24	sfan5	Jordach pls
20:25	Jordach	plox nope.
20:25	sfan5	meow
20:25	thexyz	troller: yea, because of that hentai clip
20:25	* Jordach	is the only person with sanity left
20:25	thexyz	someone in ROSKOMNADZOR doesn't love animes it seems
20:25	Jordach	thexyz, want me to setup a socks for ya
20:25	troller	today fresh blocked link: http://www.pornvideobook.com/popular/83/teen/1.html
20:25	Warr1024	chocolatey does seem to suffer from the one significant flaw that most other package managers have: they don't pick up on stuff installed via other means, i.e. before packages for them existed... this is aggravated more by the Windows culture of installing shit by hand...
20:26	sfan5	PilzAdam: I got a bookmark folder full of z0r links :P
20:26	thexyz	troller: I think it works here
20:26	thexyz	but yande.re doesn't because they blocked russia IP range
20:26	thexyz	without getting blacklisted by roskomnadzor
20:26	Warr1024	just use tor.
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20:27	thexyz	https://twitter.com/yande_re
20:27	PilzAdam	sfan5, Im working on one for xkcd at uni
20:27	thexyz	Warr1024: but it's slow, isn't it?
20:27	thexyz	but
20:27	Warr1024	depends on what you're trying to do with it.
20:27	thexyz	sadpanda still works <3
20:27	thexyz	so i'm fine
20:27	Warr1024	I wouldn't try streaming HD video over tor
20:27	thexyz	Warr1024: well yande.re is an image board
20:28	Warr1024	I run it by default now, for almost all web browsing except for logging into my bank accounts and such.
20:28	sfan5	PilzAdam: you just manages to get xkcd, z0r and university in one sentence, congrats! ;-)
20:28	sfan5	managed*
20:28	Warr1024	image boards are not much of a problem as long as you aren't trying to load dozens of topics in tabs or something.
20:29	* Jordach	usually opens multiple tabs in one run with image boards
20:29	thexyz	Warr1024: well I don't want to share all my unencrypted traffic with randoms
20:29	sfan5	meow
20:29	sfan5	just use https
20:29	sfan5	and disable rc4
20:29	Warr1024	sharing your unencrypted traffic with randoms is more or less the point of tor.
20:29	thexyz	really?
20:29	thexyz	and I thought anonymity is
20:29	Warr1024	yeah, that's where the "mix" in "public mix network" comes from.
20:30	thexyz	that's not what I meant
20:30	Warr1024	you are anonymous because your traffic cannot be differentiated from those randoms.
20:30	thexyz	I don't want them to see it
20:30	Warr1024	feh, they can see it if they go to the same url's anyway.
20:30	Warr1024	unless you're logged in or something
20:30	thexyz	yes
20:30	Warr1024	in which case, you better be using https.
20:30	thexyz	unless I'm logging in
20:30	thexyz	on a site which doesn't have it
20:30	harrison	iam iam iam the duke of url
20:30	thexyz	many don't
20:31	thexyz	other just ban tor exit nodes
20:31	thexyz	which is reasonable too
20:31	Warr1024	somebody needs to drag them into the 21st century.
20:31	thexyz	maybe
20:31	thexyz	but that's not the solution
20:31	Warr1024	well, tor will work fine for the sites where either you don't log in, or you have https
20:31	thexyz	indeed
20:31	Warr1024	for all the rest, I dunno.
20:32	Warr1024	I generally don't sign up for accounts on sites that don't have https, tor or not.
20:32	thexyz	and when tor exit nodes aren't banned
20:32	thexyz	it's nice to live in your world then
20:32	Warr1024	I rarely have problems with tor exit nodes banned en masse.
20:32	Warr1024	I have seen them banned individually, but it tends to clear up when you get a new circuit.
20:33	thexyz	this happens too
20:33	thexyz	I think minetest.ru blocks tor exit nodes
20:34	PilzAdam	Calinou, http://z0r.de/4958
20:34	thexyz	try it
20:34	Warr1024	I've been able to browse at least the chatlogs from a tor exit.
20:34	PilzAdam	Calinou, http://z0r.de/4316
20:35	thexyz	chatlogs != minetest.ru
20:36	Warr1024	basically, there are some things you cannot access via tor, and some things you can only access via tor.
20:36	Warr1024	luckily, I don't think outright blocking happens much from where I live
20:37	Warr1024	but sometimes I want to know whether what I'm seeing is filtered by my geographical location.
20:37	thexyz	cool
20:37	PilzAdam	Calinou, http://z0r.de/3502
20:37	Calinou	stop with that :P
20:37	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam, ive updated the branch
20:37	RealBadAngel	all the settings are aviable ingame
20:38	RealBadAngel	and the waving water is back
20:39	PilzAdam	Calinou, http://z0r.de/2613
20:40	RealBadAngel	the paramtype2 stuff has not changed yet, i will change it later
20:40	thexyz	Wolfram Mathematica will be free for Raspberry Pi users
20:41	thexyz	http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/5282
20:41	thexyz	are you excited?
20:41	sfan5	lol
20:41	sfan5	qemu-arm is ready for use
20:42	thexyz	filthy pirate
20:42	thexyz	I bet you're only allowed to use it on RPi
20:42	sfan5	pfff
20:42	sfan5	I have a Raspberry Pi
20:42	thexyz	and?
20:43	thexyz	also everyone read this? http://www.businessinsider.com/2-million-bitcoin-pizza-2013-4
20:43	sfan5	!title
20:43	MinetestBot	sfan5: $2 Million Bitcoin Pizza - Business Insider
20:43	thexyz	eh
20:44	thexyz	it's what's written in the URL
20:44	thexyz	and bitcoin is ~700$ now it seems
20:44	sfan5	sometimes sites have more things in the title
20:45	* sfan5	has 1.68â‚¬ worth of bitcoins
20:45	thexyz	cool, I have 0.1 BTC
20:45	thexyz	I'll wait until it reaches the million (as it was designed)
20:46	PilzAdam	Calinou, http://z0r.de/3996
20:46	* Calinou	has no bitcoin
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20:49	thexyz	you should get some
20:49	thexyz	it's cool
20:50	Warr1024	anyone know how bitcoin wallets work?
20:50	Warr1024	I take it you have an ECDSA public/private keypair or something.
20:51	sfan5	google can help you
20:51	Warr1024	yeah, it didn't last time.
20:51	Warr1024	I guess there's a lot out there on the theory of bitcoins, but not much on the actual implementations.
20:51	thexyz	your wallet is a hash of your public key
20:52	thexyz	all money are stored in transactions
20:52	thexyz	when you want to transfer money you take some from some transactions and form another transaction
20:52	thexyz	and sign it and announce to everyone
20:53	thexyz	then miners add the transaction to the block they're mining
20:53	PilzAdam	Calinou, http://z0r.de/4243
20:53	thexyz	mining means calculating sha256 hash while increasing one variable every time
20:53	Warr1024	so my "wallet" doesn't need to contain actual transactions or anything?
20:54	Warr1024	i.e. is it possible to accept payments without having my private key on hand?
20:54	thexyz	when your sha256 hash has enough leading zeroes (that's called difficulty) you've mined the block and you announce it to everyone
20:54	thexyz	they add that block to their blockchain and switch to building the next one
20:54	thexyz	Warr1024: what do you mean by "accept"?
20:54	Warr1024	I mean that if somebody adds a transaction to the chain signing over coins to me, do I need to use my privkey to sign that I "accept" those coins, or are they just immediately mine?
20:55	sfan5	all you need to receive money is your address
20:55	Calinou	<thexyz> you should get some
20:55	Calinou	<thexyz> it's cool
20:55	sfan5	they are yours once signed by someone+
20:55	Calinou	it's like trading... full of people wasting electricity
20:55	thexyz	Warr1024: no, they're yours but without private key you won't be able to spend them (obviously)
20:55	Calinou	and money laundering
20:55	Calinou	and illegal stuff bought
20:55	Warr1024	cool
20:55	thexyz	Warr1024: to send transaction sender forms a "transaction" which have a list of inputs and a list of outputs
20:56	thexyz	she also adds scriptPubKey to every "output" (this thing will then check if you're able to send coins from this input when forming your transaction)
20:56	Warr1024	I was always wondering about that, because it means that I don't have to have my private key near-to-hand to accept payments, donations, etc.
20:56	thexyz	I think scriptPubKey usually just checks the signature but it can be made to check anything
20:56	Warr1024	it also sort of means that unlike other forms of payment, receiving money is involuntary.
20:57	thexyz	how's that?
20:57	Warr1024	i.e. if somebody wants to give you a bunch of cash that you don't want (like a bribe you could get in trouble for) they'd have to be a decent pickpocket.
20:58	thexyz	well use new wallet for each transaction and you're fine
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20:58	Warr1024	not having an acceptance signature on transactions is a sort of double-edged sword.
20:59	thexyz	uhh
20:59	* sfan5	wants moar bitcoins
20:59	Jordach	meh
20:59	PilzAdam	bye
21:00	Jordach	if only i bought a few ten thousand bitcoins when they were pennies
21:00	thexyz	if only
21:00	Jordach	i'd be a fucking millionaire
21:00	Warr1024	not really
21:00	sfan5	you won't be able to cash them out
21:00	Warr1024	bitcoins are harder to spend.
21:00	thexyz	now go read stories about guys spending thousands of bitcoins for pizzas
21:00	thexyz	also
21:00	thexyz	you wouldn't
21:00	thexyz	you would've just sold them for 20$ or whatever
21:00	thexyz	and then the same story
21:01	thexyz	so just forget about it
21:01	sfan5	the price would fall if you would cash out that much bTC
21:01	thexyz	and have fun looking at the graphs
21:01	thexyz	indeed
21:01	thexyz	it's like the story with silkroad
21:01	Warr1024	the only things I've seen that you can reliably do with bitcoins that are worth spending them on is donating to other organizations that accept btc.
21:02	thexyz	Warr1024: you can buy stuff with it
21:02	Warr1024	sometimes
21:02	thexyz	why sometimes?
21:02	Warr1024	unfortunately we don't yet live in an age where I can go to the store and pick up a gallon of milk and pay with my BTC wallet.
21:03	thexyz	you can't do the same with (some foreign currency of your choice) either
21:03	Warr1024	for most of the stuff you can buy that's tangible, the market is so volatile that keeping an eye on it isn't worth the trouble...
21:03	Warr1024	not necessarily true
21:03	Warr1024	for instance, with credit card transactions, conversions are effectively transparen.
21:04	Warr1024	costly, but transparent nonetheless...
21:04	thexyz	that's true
21:04	thexyz	also
21:04	thexyz	VLC thread: http://images.4chan.org/g/src/1385067399711.jpg http://images.4chan.org/g/src/1385067570424.jpg http://images.4chan.org/g/src/1385067635339.jpg
21:05	Warr1024	hm, clicking on image links from 4chan.org at work... not a great idea... :-)
21:05	thexyz	it's all safe
21:05	RealBadAngel	sfan5, could you make win build out of my branch?
21:05	sfan5	sure
21:05	thexyz	will make you hate VLC probably though
21:06	RealBadAngel	https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest/tree/shaders_rework
21:06	Warr1024	I already prefer mplayer over VLC most of the time anyway.
21:07	thexyz	indeed
21:07	thexyz	but it's 2013
21:07	thexyz	you should use mpv
21:07	Warr1024	I had noticed that their VP8 filters are markedly shittier on their android build than the Samsung player, though the overall reduction in fatal crashes sometimes makes it worth it...
21:07	thexyz	http://mpv.io/
21:07	Warr1024	first I'm hearing of this player.
21:07	thexyz	it's good
21:07	thexyz	trust me
21:08	Warr1024	doesn't look like OpenBSD has a package for it yet.
21:08	thexyz	eh
21:08	sfan5	RealBadAngel: I'll add paramtype2 = 'waving' to leaves, flowers and grass ok?
21:08	sfan5	(in minetest_game)
21:08	thexyz	well at least you should use mplayer2
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21:08	Megaf	John, Sorry, I meant with the nouveau, not the nvidia driver
21:09	thexyz	it sucks that there's no package though
21:09	Warr1024	My mplayer might actually be mplayer2, it's sometimes hard to tell.
21:09	Warr1024	also, Debian doesn't look like it's got a package for mpv in wheezy yet either.
21:09	Warr1024	this thing must be pretty new...?
21:10	thexyz	it is
21:10	thexyz	not sure how new
21:11	thexyz	it's actively developed and that's all what matters
21:11	thexyz	it's even got OSD for those who can't keyboard
21:13	Warr1024	well, maybe we'll see packages spring up for it in a few years.
21:13	thexyz	heh
21:13	thexyz	but still
21:13	thexyz	the fact that windows is superior in video-related things is unfair
21:14	Warr1024	I was not aware of that.
21:15	thexyz	now you are
21:16	Warr1024	how is windows superior?
21:16	RealBadAngel	sfan5, sure
21:16	thexyz	it has madvr
21:16	sfan5	RealBadAngel: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/minetest-0.4.7-5323d80-rba-shader-win32.7z
21:17	thexyz	and if we're also talking about video encoding
21:17	thexyz	then it also has avisynth
21:17	RealBadAngel	thx
21:17	thexyz	which works in wine, which is good enough if you ask me
21:17	Warr1024	that's not so much windows being superior as there being some superior software options...
21:18	Warr1024	I've had reasonable success with ffmpeg so far.
21:18	thexyz	no point in being picky here, I'm talking about the platform with all the software, obviously
21:18	thexyz	ffmpeg/x264 is good if you need to encode some video in some different format
21:18	thexyz	but what if you need to deinterlace it?
21:18	Warr1024	ffmpeg is also pretty good at that.
21:19	thexyz	(I've had some kind guy walking me through the process)
21:19	thexyz	at what?
21:19	Warr1024	plain old filtering and reenc isn't too tall of an order.
21:19	Warr1024	what I've always been trying to find is a good high quality, I guess they call them "linear" editors.
21:20	Warr1024	like cutting and joining and cross-fading clips and whatnot.
21:20	Warr1024	linux supposedly has some, but either installation for them is a real pain, or they just don't work right.
21:21	Warr1024	Windows has the Adobe Premier line, but it just doesn't seem worth the trouble to pirate software these days.
21:21	thexyz	so now you have that DVD which is telecined with 3:2 pulldown and also at some point there is scrolling text which is layed over telecined content but is 60 fields/second
21:22	thexyz	and you can of course just run it through yadif
21:23	thexyz	but the quality would suffer
21:23	Warr1024	ah, well that's a particularly nasty case.
21:23	Warr1024	though in effect, the quality had already suffered.
21:24	thexyz	but you can help it
21:24	Calinou	john_minetest, I'm playing some Minecraft these days
21:24	thexyz	no need to make it suffer even more
21:24	Calinou	there's a server which only runs various minigames
21:24	Calinou	it's quite fun :3
21:24	thexyz	and this is actually what release groups have to deal with all the time
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21:24	thexyz	and I'm like 1 day into it but already hate all this shit
21:26	* Jordach	happens to be in a morose state
21:26	thexyz	> Other more or less common fuckups on the DVD studioâ€™s part include coding interlaced material as progressive (looks horrible since thereâ€™ll be a lot of extremely sharp edges where thereâ€™s any motion), taking interlaced material, deinterlacing it with a terrible blending deinterlacer and coding the now eyecancer-inducing progressive result as progressive, or a particular personal favorite of mine: taking interlaced material, deinterlacing it wit
21:26	thexyz	an absolutely terrible deinterlacer that discards every other field and interpolates the other, and coding the â€œprogressiveâ€ result as interlaced on the DVD (the best solution for this was to discard the broken fields and re-interpolate them from the untouched ones with NNEDI).
21:27	Warr1024	yeah, that's pretty bad.
21:27	tobias_	hi
21:27	Jordach	awwwwwwwww - WinAmp is on life support until Dec. 20
21:27	thexyz	so what were we talking about
21:28	thexyz	windows is better at video, that's all
21:28	Warr1024	I was sort of torn between leaving interlacing vs. using a tfields filter to do framerate-doubling deinterlacing when capturing from VHS sources.
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21:30	Jordach	HOLY MEATBALL JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
21:30	Jordach	my headphones have a reach of 8m with my old Triton headset lead
21:31	thexyz	Warr1024: there are a lot of filters, actually
21:31	Warr1024	yeah, I've seen them
21:31	Warr1024	of course, some trade off perceptual quality for full reversability
21:31	Warr1024	I wanted to make sure I'm not discarding any information if I can avoid it.
21:32	thexyz	then just store the raw
21:32	Warr1024	I would, but I had too much trouble figuring out how to get the codecs to handle interlacing properly.
21:32	Warr1024	and I don't have the disk space for literal raw video.
21:33	thexyz	well x264 has options for that but I've never used them
21:34	thexyz	--tff or --bff
21:35	thexyz	but I really don't see the point here
21:48	thexyz	i forgot to say that winamp sucks and that you should never use it
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21:50	sfan5	microsofts c compiler doesn't support c99, WTF
21:53	thexyz	haha
21:53	thexyz	time for some daily suffering
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21:56	sfan5	apparently supporting microsofts compiler is essential for some people: https://github.com/H2CO3/Sparkling/pull/15#issuecomment-29025845
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21:58	thexyz	are you joking or what?
21:58	RealBadAngel	john_minetest, leaves and plants that would wave shall have in their definition added paramtype2 = "waving"
21:59	Warr1024	just put a #if around it to detect win32.
21:59	RealBadAngel	this way not all plants will wave, for example apples shall not wave
21:59	thexyz	hey let's add incompatibilities just for the heck of it
22:00	thexyz	can't use with the most popular compiler on the most popular platform? well fuck that no one uses it
22:00	sfan5	Warr1024: you would be quite confused if some programming language has different core feature on different OSs
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22:01	sfan5	I mean core, no import foo or require('bar') stuff
22:01	Warr1024	no, I'm familiar with how shitty dealing with portability is...
22:01	Warr1024	I've avoided most of it so far.
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22:03	Warr1024	I used to maintain a minecraft mod. Our Windows support strategy involved a Linux VM.
22:04	Warr1024	since it was Java, you could run it on any platform, but since it was a source-only distribution, you had to decompile, apply patches, and recompile on a POSIX environment.
22:04	Warr1024	msys did a passable job but was a real bitch to config.
22:12	cy1	Warr1024: Wow, that sounds sucky.
22:14	Warr1024	yeah, it was pretty annoying.
22:15	Warr1024	luckily the mod was designed so that it all ran server-side, so only server hosts needed to apply it, and clients were in the clear.
22:16	Calinou	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=119133#p119133
22:17	Calinou	I read "beer" instead of "deer"
22:19	Warr1024	Bad request. The link you followed is incorrect or outdated.
22:20	Calinou	it works for me
22:20	Calinou	last post of https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7777
22:20	Calinou	oh, I just noticed... 7777 topic ID! :d
22:21	Warr1024	same. Is this one of those things you have to be logged in to see?
22:23	cy1	sfan5: commented :B
22:23	cy1	Warr1024: There's a lot of effort in both the minecraft and minetest community to ban client side mods at all costs. :/ 99% of the mods you find will be server only.
22:24	Warr1024	yeah, I'm a big fan of the way minetest works.
22:24	Warr1024	Last time I played MC, though, client-side mods were the norm.
22:25	Calinou	cy1, in the Minecraft communities?!
22:25	Calinou	also, why Minetest?
22:25	Calinou	the free software nature of Minetest has gone nowhere
22:25	Calinou	Warr1024, it's in Offtopic forum
22:25	Calinou	so you may need to be logged in, but I'm not sure
22:26	Warr1024	ah, looks like the case.
22:27	Warr1024	yeah, I misread as "beer" the first time through too.
22:28	Warr1024	and if mobs aren't mobile, they should be "staybes" or something.
22:28	cy1	uh hm
22:28	cy1	Warr1024: They're seen as cheating, generally.
22:28	cy1	btw does anyone know how I can use liquid_finite but keep the lava from all turning to flowing?
22:29	cy1	It's sad enough you can't make infinite lava source :p
22:29	Warr1024	what are seen as cheating?
22:29	cy1	Warr1024: Well, like a compass or a clock. I dunno. Making creepers noiser?
22:30	cy1	Any sort of HUD
22:30	cy1	Telling you how close your armor is to breaking, f/i
22:30	Warr1024	oh, never heard of that kind of thing.
22:30	Warr1024	I was thinking of stuff like BTW or RP2 or BC
22:31	Warr1024	you can't connect to a server running those with a vanilla client.
22:31	cy1	Oh, yeah that's different. I was thinking mods as in, not paired client/server mods.
22:31	Warr1024	plus, there were a lot of mods that just didn't bother with SMP support at all.
22:31	Warr1024	well, I was thinking of one client-side-only mod for MT.
22:31	cy1	minetest makes it pretty hard too though. There isn't even any client side scripting!
22:31	Warr1024	specifically, I wanted to try to add a black border around all the chat text.
22:32	Warr1024	my C++ skills aren't up to par yet though.
22:32	cy1	I want to add a stop sucking so much to the chat text...
22:32	Warr1024	there's already something for that
22:32	Warr1024	/kick, I believe.
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22:33	Warr1024	but the white-on-nothing text is too easy to lose in light backgrounds.
22:33	Warr1024	and while on the topic, the ability to enlarge the font would certainly be a nice-to-have.
22:33	cy1	I mean the interface is hard to read, and copy+paste sucks, and links, and etc. Oh let's not forget how chat covers dialog windows, so if you need to click in the upper left you have to hide chat first.
22:34	Warr1024	ah, didn't know that.
22:34	Warr1024	though I had observed the poor copy/paste support, though I can see why it might be hard to make something like that work right.
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22:49	VanessaE	so...what'd I miss? :)
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