| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:03 |
OldCoder |
Are there any comments on these mods: Concrete, Desert Uses, Currency, Money2 ?? |
| 00:03 |
OldCoder |
Or Mob NPC? |
| 00:04 |
OldCoder |
Inquiring Server Admins Want to Know! |
| 00:04 |
OldCoder |
We are building worlds for YOU :P |
| 00:05 |
OldCoder |
WHOA... A world started without crashing! bbiab folks |
| 00:05 |
us}0gb |
If I remember correctly, currency and money2 are great. Concrete is unobtrusive. Desert uses is a matter of opinion. Some like it, some don't. |
| 00:05 |
us}0gb |
"Bbiab"? |
| 00:05 |
kaeza |
you'd have to be more specific; there are like thousands of "concrete" mods |
| 00:05 |
OldCoder |
us}0gb, That means be back in a bit |
| 00:06 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, That is useful information |
| 00:06 |
OldCoder |
So out it goes for now |
| 00:06 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, the world is probably messed up but Zegaton has started without crashing. Testing now. |
| 00:06 |
NekoGloop |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PASqLy0cpio |
| 00:12 |
OldCoder |
17:09:38: ERROR[ServerThread]: Map::setNode(): Not allowing to place CONTENT_IGNORE while trying to replace "farming:wheat" at (-74,9,-209) (block (-5,0,-14)) |
| 00:12 |
OldCoder |
It almost works. Any comment on that? |
| 00:12 |
OldCoder |
Hmm |
| 00:12 |
OldCoder |
I think it is sort of working |
| 00:13 |
OldCoder |
Media load is very slow |
| 00:13 |
OldCoder |
Still D: |
| 00:13 |
us}0gb |
THat means something is trying to set it to an undefined node. It's probably an issue in farming or your copy of it. |
| 00:13 |
OldCoder |
It can be worked out later |
| 00:13 |
OldCoder |
Hmm... I will try curl |
| 00:14 |
PilzAdam |
OldCoder, you can set up a http server (or ftp) that has all the media files, and point the server to it so it can tell the client to download from that via curl, that is a lot faster |
| 00:14 |
OldCoder |
PilzAdam, yes; I did this in the past to make Ambience feasible |
| 00:14 |
OldCoder |
Wanted to get a base copy to work first this time |
| 00:15 |
OldCoder |
So basically I symlink all images and sound files there... but there will be overlapping names won't there? PilzAdam |
| 00:15 |
OldCoder |
PilzAdam, As I have disabled Ambience initially which media is taking all the time? |
| 00:16 |
PilzAdam |
mostly textures and sounds |
| 00:17 |
OldCoder |
Under Windows where does the cache go if one uses a default configuration? |
| 00:17 |
OldCoder |
I believe the files are downloading but I don't see them |
| 00:17 |
OldCoder |
(I am testing my WIn32 client using Wine) |
| 00:18 |
PilzAdam |
in the minetest folder in cache/ |
| 00:18 |
OldCoder |
Hmm... not appearing. Would anybody care to see if this works: |
| 00:18 |
OldCoder |
Server minetest.org Port 30015 must use latest client |
| 00:18 |
OldCoder |
|
| 00:18 |
OldCoder |
Or can't connect; according to VanessaE |
| 00:19 |
PilzAdam |
!up minetest.org 30015 |
| 00:19 |
MinetestBot |
minetest.org:30015 is up (433ms) |
| 00:19 |
VanessaE |
works for me. |
| 00:19 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: |
| 00:19 |
PilzAdam |
yep, I can connect too |
| 00:19 |
VanessaE |
old clients can't connect to newer servers is the issue |
| 00:19 |
OldCoder |
Well, try it out |
| 00:19 |
VanessaE |
new clients can connect to old servers fine |
| 00:19 |
OldCoder |
Tell me how messed up it is. VanessaE I just built a brand new WIn32 client. I will debug it. |
| 00:20 |
OldCoder |
I would much appreciate remarks about what mods to add or change. |
| 00:20 |
OldCoder |
Please look around. I will repeat this request over the next few days. |
| 00:20 |
PilzAdam |
do you run mobf? |
| 00:20 |
OldCoder |
This is Zegaton running with probably wrong mods |
| 00:20 |
OldCoder |
Checking |
| 00:20 |
OldCoder |
Wait |
| 00:20 |
OldCoder |
I will repost the world.mt |
| 00:20 |
VanessaE |
still receiving media.. |
| 00:20 |
OldCoder |
Which has the mods |
| 00:21 |
PilzAdam |
Im pretty sure you do, since I download the models for mobf |
| 00:21 |
PilzAdam |
anyway, mobf is mostly not playable on server, because of too high lag |
| 00:21 |
OldCoder |
http://oldcoder.org/worldmt.txt |
| 00:21 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 00:21 |
OldCoder |
Try it |
| 00:21 |
OldCoder |
MY server is pretty good |
| 00:21 |
OldCoder |
But I will turn it off |
| 00:22 |
PilzAdam |
btw, models are not cached |
| 00:22 |
OldCoder |
Ah! |
| 00:22 |
OldCoder |
Turned OFF then |
| 00:22 |
OldCoder |
On next restart |
| 00:22 |
OldCoder |
PilzAdam, VanessaE, NakedFury others pls feel free to review and correct: |
| 00:22 |
OldCoder |
http://oldcoder.org/worldmt.txt |
| 00:23 |
OldCoder |
That plus latest minetest_game is being used on the test world |
| 00:23 |
VanessaE |
eek |
| 00:23 |
OldCoder |
Heh? |
| 00:23 |
VanessaE |
almost as many mods as my servers LD |
| 00:23 |
VanessaE |
:D |
| 00:23 |
OldCoder |
Well, you may edit the list! |
| 00:23 |
OldCoder |
I have turned off mobf as of next restart |
| 00:23 |
VanessaE |
no reason to if they all work ok :) |
| 00:24 |
PilzAdam |
01:24:03: ERROR[main]: Map::setNode(): Not allowing to place CONTENT_IGNORE while trying to replace "farming:wheat" at (27,20,-96) (block (1,1,-6)) |
| 00:24 |
OldCoder |
OK. Now, regarding curl... there is a problem. If files have conflicting names there is an issue right? |
| 00:24 |
OldCoder |
Yep |
| 00:24 |
OldCoder |
It seems to continue past that |
| 00:24 |
OldCoder |
How should I fix it? |
| 00:24 |
OldCoder |
Whose farming and farming+ should be used? |
| 00:24 |
NakedFury |
OldCoder, where do I download your version? |
| 00:24 |
OldCoder |
Of the windows client? |
| 00:24 |
OldCoder |
Of what NakedFury ? |
| 00:25 |
NakedFury |
yep |
| 00:25 |
OldCoder |
The worlds? SQLite3 will be made available |
| 00:25 |
PilzAdam |
farming is in minetest_game, and farming_plus is an additional mod |
| 00:25 |
OldCoder |
I will upload the Windows client now |
| 00:25 |
OldCoder |
Hm! |
| 00:25 |
NakedFury |
ohh |
| 00:25 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: yes, in which case you have to figure out which copy gets sent last normally. The easiest solution is to just exclude those files from your remote media server |
| 00:25 |
OldCoder |
Hang on let me post the Windows client |
| 00:25 |
OldCoder |
Then I will restart with Curl and without Farming |
| 00:25 |
OldCoder |
as it is in minetest_game |
| 00:25 |
OldCoder |
This will take about 10 minutes |
| 00:26 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, let me know if you get in |
| 00:26 |
OldCoder |
15 minutes... I will fix something |
| 00:26 |
VanessaE |
I am in. |
| 00:27 |
OldCoder |
Look around and suggest changes |
| 00:27 |
OldCoder |
Farming glitches should go away after I drop outdated Farming |
| 00:27 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: your hand does not work correctly - no continuous digging. |
| 00:27 |
OldCoder |
Well, suggest fixes if you can |
| 00:27 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
| 00:27 |
* OldCoder |
prepares Win32 client |
| 00:27 |
VanessaE |
and some unknown nodes over at 112,2,19 (might be ice?) |
| 00:27 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, we will figure it out |
| 00:28 |
OldCoder |
NakedFury, Allow a few minutes. I am going to try to pregenerate a cache. |
| 00:28 |
VanessaE |
or possibly seaweed/waterlilies (flowers_plus mod, in plantlife modpack) |
| 00:28 |
NakedFury |
ok |
| 00:28 |
OldCoder |
Review the mod list VanessaE and suggest what to drop or update |
| 00:28 |
OldCoder |
http://oldcoder.org/worldmt.txt |
| 00:28 |
VanessaE |
load_mod_flowers_plus = false <--- change this |
| 00:29 |
OldCoder |
Very well! |
| 00:29 |
OldCoder |
Link for flowers+ ? |
| 00:29 |
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| 00:29 |
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| 00:29 |
VanessaE |
oops |
| 00:30 |
OldCoder |
Link for flowers+ ? |
| 00:30 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: updte your copy of plantlife modpack from https://github.com/VanessaE/plantlife ( git github.com:VanessaE/plantlife.git ) |
| 00:30 |
VanessaE |
update* |
| 00:30 |
OldCoder |
Proceeding |
| 00:30 |
VanessaE |
and be sure to enable bushes_classic |
| 00:30 |
OldCoder |
But are flowers plus in there? |
| 00:31 |
VanessaE |
yep |
| 00:34 |
OldCoder |
Working on all of this |
| 00:36 |
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| 00:37 |
OldCoder |
iqualfragile, Hi |
| 00:39 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, I see no bush in world.mt |
| 00:39 |
OldCoder |
Oh! Wait! |
| 00:39 |
OldCoder |
NakedFury, this may not finish tonight but we are on it! |
| 00:39 |
NakedFury |
ok |
| 00:40 |
iqualfragile |
Hello OldCoder long time no see |
| 00:40 |
OldCoder |
iqualfragile, I have been here but took a while to move forward |
| 00:41 |
* OldCoder |
is working on this |
| 00:41 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: add it :) bushes_classic |
| 00:42 |
OldCoder |
I found it |
| 00:42 |
OldCoder |
It got added after I updated the mod |
| 00:42 |
OldCoder |
Now figuring out why cache folder doesn't appear with the Win32 client |
| 00:44 |
OldCoder |
OK do I need to specify curl server on client side? |
| 00:44 |
OldCoder |
I forget |
| 00:46 |
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| 00:46 |
OldCoder |
Do I need to do anything on client side for curl except build with curl support? |
| 00:48 |
OldCoder |
HMm cache is filling this time |
| 00:49 |
OldCoder |
17:49:11: ERROR[main]: generateImage(): Could not load image "moretrees_fir_sapling.png" while building texture |
| 00:49 |
OldCoder |
17:49:11: ERROR[main]: generateImage(): Creating a dummy image for "moretrees_fir_sapling.png" |
| 00:49 |
OldCoder |
17:49:11: ERROR[main]: generateImage(): Could not load image "farming_wheat.png" while building texture |
| 00:49 |
OldCoder |
17:49:11: ERROR[main]: generateImage(): Creating a dummy image for "farming_wheat.png" |
| 00:49 |
OldCoder |
Those are the only warnings |
| 00:49 |
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OldCoder was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected. |
| 00:49 |
Peacock |
saw that coming lol |
| 00:49 |
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| 00:49 |
OldCoder |
Sorry |
| 00:49 |
OldCoder |
So I need to add two images from somewhere |
| 00:50 |
OldCoder |
Anybody know where to find them? |
| 00:50 |
OldCoder |
Reviewing my old ZIP files |
| 00:50 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, NakedFury This might actually work |
| 00:51 |
OldCoder |
I found farming_wheat.png in an old version of farming. Was this image dropped from minetest_game ? |
| 00:52 |
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| 00:52 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, Interesting trivial glitch |
| 00:52 |
OldCoder |
Nvm working on it |
| 00:53 |
OldCoder |
|
| 00:54 |
OldCoder |
The minetest_game version of farming includes farming_wheat.png and yet this message appears: |
| 00:54 |
OldCoder |
17:49:11: ERROR[main]: generateImage(): Creating a dummy image for "farming_wheat.png" |
| 00:54 |
OldCoder |
Does anybody know why this may be? |
| 00:55 |
VanessaE |
that's a bit odd all right |
| 00:55 |
OldCoder |
Well, continuing |
| 00:55 |
OldCoder |
I assume that I should update moretrees |
| 00:55 |
OldCoder |
regarding the other message |
| 00:56 |
OldCoder |
That would be YOURS VanessaE :-) |
| 00:56 |
OldCoder |
I last updated it in September... |
| 00:56 |
OldCoder |
It is not part of minetest_game right? |
| 00:57 |
VanessaE |
yeah, you'll want to update moretrees :) |
| 00:57 |
VanessaE |
nope, minetest_game is pretty plain |
| 00:57 |
OldCoder |
Working |
| 00:58 |
OldCoder |
moretrees_fir_sapling.png |
| 00:58 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, that file does not exist |
| 00:58 |
OldCoder |
Did it exist in the past? Is that the reason for an error message I see? |
| 00:58 |
OldCoder |
Oh! |
| 00:58 |
OldCoder |
Found it |
| 00:58 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: O RLY? ;) https://github.com/VanessaE/moretrees/blob/master/textures/moretrees_fir_sapling.png |
| 00:59 |
OldCoder |
Yes I found it |
| 00:59 |
OldCoder |
Will retest |
| 01:06 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, I am seeing the image error messages despite the presence of the images |
| 01:06 |
OldCoder |
Just those images and a couple of others |
| 01:06 |
OldCoder |
Odd |
| 01:07 |
OldCoder |
Any thoughts anybody? Scroll up for error messages |
| 01:12 |
VanessaE |
strange |
| 01:12 |
VanessaE |
unless there's a path issue somewhere? |
| 01:12 |
OldCoder |
I am presently downloading media |
| 01:12 |
OldCoder |
The other media is not producing errors |
| 01:12 |
OldCoder |
And permissions should be correct |
| 01:12 |
OldCoder |
The files are symlinked into the curl folder |
| 01:13 |
* OldCoder |
shrugs |
| 01:13 |
OldCoder |
One step at a time |
| 01:13 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, Is anything needed on the client side to enable curl... except to build it in? |
| 01:13 |
OldCoder |
Files are downloading quite slowly |
| 01:13 |
OldCoder |
But my curl www folder is there and seems to work |
| 01:14 |
VanessaE |
that's all it should need, yes |
| 01:14 |
VanessaE |
oh wait! |
| 01:14 |
VanessaE |
I remember |
| 01:14 |
VanessaE |
fuck I forgot to tell you, don't use remote_media at all |
| 01:14 |
VanessaE |
it's busted |
| 01:14 |
OldCoder |
Ah! |
| 01:15 |
VanessaE |
it sometimes does not send files at the right time |
| 01:15 |
OldCoder |
Now you tell me :-) |
| 01:15 |
OldCoder |
So no curl?? |
| 01:15 |
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| 01:15 |
VanessaE |
when kahrl gets his http_fetch code pushed to master, THEN you can use it. |
| 01:15 |
OldCoder |
We are back to slow and so on? |
| 01:15 |
VanessaE |
yeah, no cURL, at least not on the server - just turn off the remote_media feature in the server config |
| 01:15 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 01:15 |
OldCoder |
Hmm |
| 01:16 |
OldCoder |
Does not explain the wheat image issue |
| 01:16 |
VanessaE |
I've mostly seen this happen with .x files since those get sent every time a person connects. |
| 01:16 |
VanessaE |
kahrl: why aren't those cached anyway? |
| 01:17 |
kahrl |
what suggests to you they aren't? |
| 01:18 |
OldCoder |
Hmm |
| 01:18 |
OldCoder |
Can I get his code and use it? |
| 01:19 |
kahrl |
OldCoder: the code has to be installed on the client |
| 01:19 |
OldCoder |
That is fine kaeza |
| 01:19 |
OldCoder |
That is fine kahrl * |
| 01:19 |
OldCoder |
I built one just now |
| 01:20 |
kahrl |
well sure then |
| 01:20 |
OldCoder |
But did VanessaE not say it was a server issue? |
| 01:20 |
OldCoder |
Or perhaps not |
| 01:20 |
OldCoder |
kahrl, If there is a patch I shall try it |
| 01:20 |
kahrl |
https://github.com/kahrl/minetest/commits/httpfetch |
| 01:20 |
kahrl |
although I didn't rebase that in ages |
| 01:20 |
OldCoder |
So it will not apply? |
| 01:20 |
kahrl |
dunno |
| 01:21 |
OldCoder |
I will see now |
| 01:21 |
OldCoder |
Hmm! |
| 01:21 |
OldCoder |
The image errors went away |
| 01:21 |
OldCoder |
bbiab |
| 01:22 |
OldCoder |
I forget. How do I get that as a patch? |
| 01:22 |
OldCoder |
There is a git thing for it |
| 01:22 |
OldCoder |
kahrl, VanessaE Do you recall how to get a commit as a diff? |
| 01:22 |
kahrl |
git diff <commitid> <commitid>^ |
| 01:22 |
VanessaE |
I think you just add .diff to the end of the URL |
| 01:22 |
VanessaE |
or do that. |
| 01:23 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 01:23 |
OldCoder |
Testing |
| 01:23 |
kahrl |
you will need all 7 commits from httpfetch, most certainly |
| 01:23 |
OldCoder |
Ah! |
| 01:23 |
kahrl |
so git diff 0991ffe634 0991ffe634~7 |
| 01:24 |
OldCoder |
I may need to pass... the first one has 3 rejects... I assume 7 will have more |
| 01:24 |
OldCoder |
Reviewing, though |
| 01:24 |
kahrl |
wait... parse_json has been added to upstream |
| 01:24 |
kahrl |
so its git diff 0991ffe634 0991ffe634~6 |
| 01:24 |
OldCoder |
Hmm |
| 01:24 |
OldCoder |
How do I do that? |
| 01:25 |
OldCoder |
kahrl, would apply all of your changes dated September 1 on? |
| 01:25 |
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| 01:25 |
kahrl |
have you added my repository as a remote? |
| 01:25 |
Jordach |
evening |
| 01:25 |
Jordach |
oh, and btw https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=116827#p116827 |
| 01:25 |
OldCoder |
Jordach, hi |
| 01:26 |
Jordach |
that android minetest has violated the lgpl |
| 01:26 |
OldCoder |
kahrl, after reviewing I don't think I can handle the rebase. This is a raw set of sources I pulled from git. You'd need to talk me through it. |
| 01:26 |
OldCoder |
kahrl, If you'd like me to try I will proceed. |
| 01:26 |
kahrl |
I guess I could try to rebase it myself |
| 01:27 |
kahrl |
otherwise it'd be duplicated work |
| 01:27 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 01:27 |
OldCoder |
|
| 01:27 |
OldCoder |
I will test if you do |
| 01:27 |
OldCoder |
Could not open file of texture: character.png |
| 01:27 |
OldCoder |
Could not open file of texture: animalmaterials_egg_ent_mesh.png |
| 01:27 |
Jordach |
oldcoder thats normal |
| 01:27 |
OldCoder |
Those are the only messages ATM |
| 01:28 |
OldCoder |
Looks like it might work if I update animals |
| 01:28 |
OldCoder |
I assume the animal egg thing is normal |
| 01:28 |
OldCoder |
kahrl, Consider rebase and I will add to my clients |
| 01:33 |
arsdragonfly |
hmmmm is that android minetest a real port of minetest? |
| 01:34 |
arsdragonfly |
or something that copied the interface? |
| 01:34 |
OldCoder |
Oh, I'm in |
| 01:40 |
OldCoder |
I am uploading a Windows client with latest upstream for people to try. They can use it to test my temporary world 30015. Suggestions for mod changes will be much appreciated. |
| 01:40 |
OldCoder |
After kahrl code is added and mods are fixed up the other worlds will be brought back. |
| 01:40 |
OldCoder |
Upload is slow. It appears another 10 minutes. |
| 01:43 |
kahrl |
it compiled! |
| 01:44 |
kahrl |
rebased branch is here: https://github.com/kahrl/minetest/commits/httpfetch2 |
| 01:44 |
kahrl |
went surprisingly smoothly |
| 01:49 |
OldCoder |
Ah! |
| 01:50 |
OldCoder |
I shall rebuild then! |
| 01:50 |
OldCoder |
NakedFury, I am making a Faster Client!! |
| 01:50 |
OldCoder |
Therefore starting over |
| 01:50 |
OldCoder |
kahrl, what shall I do? |
| 01:50 |
OldCoder |
Is there a particular diff? Or 7? |
| 01:50 |
kahrl |
well 6 instead of 7 now |
| 01:51 |
kahrl |
you can grab the source tree at commit https://github.com/kahrl/minetest/commit/2868e1be192262cab10c53014bb064d7c1c1ba08 and build it |
| 01:51 |
NakedFury |
for a second I saw I am making a Faster Client?? |
| 01:51 |
OldCoder |
I am doing it right now |
| 01:51 |
NakedFury |
instead of the !! |
| 01:51 |
NakedFury |
I was confused |
| 01:51 |
OldCoder |
Therefore deleting the one I just uploaded |
| 01:51 |
OldCoder |
kahrl, proceeding t y |
| 01:52 |
OldCoder |
kahrl, Is there a download link? or git clone? |
| 01:52 |
OldCoder |
Or can I just add .diff to that? |
| 01:52 |
OldCoder |
Will that be a single diff to upstream? |
| 01:52 |
kahrl |
https://github.com/kahrl/minetest/archive/2868e1be192262cab10c53014bb064d7c1c1ba08.zip |
| 01:53 |
kahrl |
I don't think github can provide a single diff for multiple commits |
| 01:53 |
OldCoder |
That ZIP is a minetest source tree? |
| 01:53 |
kahrl |
yes |
| 01:53 |
OldCoder |
Cool |
| 01:53 |
OldCoder |
Downloading |
| 01:54 |
OldCoder |
kahrl, why isn't this in upstream yet? Sounds useful |
| 01:54 |
kahrl |
nobody tested it... yet :P |
| 01:54 |
OldCoder |
That shall happen right now |
| 01:54 |
OldCoder |
Or in a few minutes |
| 01:54 |
kahrl |
well I tried it with two local apaches |
| 01:54 |
OldCoder |
NakedFury shall be a guinea pig after me |
| 01:55 |
OldCoder |
Rebuilding Win32 client |
| 02:03 |
OldCoder |
Did not build. Retrying and checking errors. |
| 02:05 |
OldCoder |
nprinted = snprintf(sbuf + pos, sbuflen, |
| 02:05 |
OldCoder |
is_unsigned ? "%llu, " : "%lli, ", |
| 02:05 |
OldCoder |
(unsigned long long)*((u64 *)bufpos)) |
| 02:05 |
kahrl |
pastebin? :) |
| 02:05 |
OldCoder |
"Too many arguments for Format" Here |
| 02:05 |
OldCoder |
It is only three lines and not done; I will pastebin shortly |
| 02:06 |
OldCoder |
And this is fun. No worries, kahrl |
| 02:06 |
kahrl |
well that seems to be a warning and not an error |
| 02:06 |
OldCoder |
yes |
| 02:06 |
kahrl |
and the warning is wrong |
| 02:07 |
OldCoder |
I compiled with make -j 8 |
| 02:07 |
OldCoder |
Redoing with make to get a coherent log |
| 02:07 |
OldCoder |
Found it... |
| 02:08 |
OldCoder |
minetest/src/httpfetch.cpp:189:5: error: |
| 02:08 |
OldCoder |
'CURLPROTO_HTTP' was not declared in this scope |
| 02:08 |
OldCoder |
No pastebin needed I think. Does that help? |
| 02:08 |
OldCoder |
Looks like a trivial #include issue |
| 02:10 |
* OldCoder |
loves Code |
| 02:10 |
OldCoder |
:-3 Code |
| 02:10 |
OldCoder |
Is that what the kids say? |
| 02:11 |
Peacock |
kids are irrelevant, resistance is futile |
| 02:12 |
OldCoder |
Indeed |
| 02:12 |
kahrl |
what version is your curl? |
| 02:12 |
* OldCoder |
likes Code regardless |
| 02:13 |
OldCoder |
I used the standard Minetest buildbot |
| 02:13 |
OldCoder |
Checking |
| 02:13 |
OldCoder |
7.18.0 kahrl |
| 02:13 |
OldCoder |
That is what upstream specifies |
| 02:13 |
kahrl |
oh... that's somewhat old |
| 02:13 |
OldCoder |
My tweaks are minimal |
| 02:13 |
kahrl |
maybe it doesn't have those constants |
| 02:13 |
* OldCoder |
shrugs as it is OFFICIAL Minetest :-) |
| 02:13 |
OldCoder |
Unlikely... that is basic. Checking the header. |
| 02:14 |
OldCoder |
And thank you for interest! |
| 02:14 |
OldCoder |
Grepping tree |
| 02:15 |
OldCoder |
Interesting. It is *not* there. Looking closer. |
| 02:15 |
kahrl |
thank your bank for interest too... assuming they give any ;) |
| 02:15 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 02:15 |
OldCoder |
could it be they did *not* add that constant until recently? odd! |
| 02:16 |
OldCoder |
I see it in my Linux copy; which is newer |
| 02:16 |
OldCoder |
Hang on briefly |
| 02:16 |
kahrl |
yeah, when I coded that bit it seemed obvious that the constant had been there for forever |
| 02:16 |
OldCoder |
I agree but I am reviewing the version of curl that upstream uses... |
| 02:17 |
OldCoder |
the includes are there but no such constant... |
| 02:17 |
OldCoder |
Huh |
| 02:17 |
OldCoder |
It is apparently a recent addition! |
| 02:17 |
OldCoder |
Googling |
| 02:17 |
kahrl |
in any case, that line isn't essential, you could remove it |
| 02:17 |
OldCoder |
Really? |
| 02:17 |
OldCoder |
Which line? |
| 02:17 |
OldCoder |
One moment |
| 02:18 |
kahrl |
the one that sets CURLOPT_PROTOCOL |
| 02:18 |
kahrl |
or similar |
| 02:18 |
OldCoder |
protocols will need to be zero |
| 02:18 |
OldCoder |
as all the other comparables will be undefined |
| 02:19 |
OldCoder |
We will see if curl_easy_setopt still works... |
| 02:19 |
kahrl |
the line is there to prevent mods from trying to connect to ssh sites and so on |
| 02:19 |
OldCoder |
But what of this line: |
| 02:19 |
OldCoder |
curl_easy_setopt(curl, CURLOPT_PROTOCOLS, protocols); |
| 02:19 |
OldCoder |
? |
| 02:19 |
OldCoder |
protocols will be zero? |
| 02:20 |
OldCoder |
Apparently CURLOPT_xxx did not exist at all in the past |
| 02:20 |
kahrl |
remove that line and the line below it |
| 02:20 |
OldCoder |
Will try |
| 02:20 |
OldCoder |
Recompiling for your pleasure! :P |
| 02:20 |
OldCoder |
I could try just upgrading Win32 Curl! |
| 02:20 |
OldCoder |
But recompiling first |
| 02:21 |
OldCoder |
20% |
| 02:21 |
OldCoder |
(with make -j 1) |
| 02:22 |
OldCoder |
Lots of warnings about too many arguments for format... |
| 02:22 |
OldCoder |
All in the settings.h file... |
| 02:23 |
OldCoder |
Probably related to the fact gcc doesn't know about "l" as long |
| 02:23 |
OldCoder |
in this context |
| 02:23 |
OldCoder |
minetest/src/settings.h:784:46: warning: unknown conversion type character 'l' in format [-Wformat] |
| 02:23 |
OldCoder |
Rather; mingw |
| 02:23 |
* OldCoder |
is building a Windows client |
| 02:24 |
kahrl |
that's pretty odd |
| 02:24 |
kahrl |
is that an ancient gcc? |
| 02:25 |
OldCoder |
Pretty much... mingw is not well maintained |
| 02:25 |
OldCoder |
But does build fast MT clients! |
| 02:25 |
OldCoder |
fast fast fast |
| 02:25 |
OldCoder |
Or so I am told |
| 02:25 |
* OldCoder |
prefers Linux |
| 02:25 |
kahrl |
still it should know about %l and %ll |
| 02:25 |
OldCoder |
84% |
| 02:26 |
ShadowNinja |
arsdragonfly: It's real Minetest alright. |
| 02:26 |
OldCoder |
Yes; there may be more to this kahrl one step at a time |
| 02:26 |
OldCoder |
ShadowNinja, Hi I am still at it |
| 02:26 |
OldCoder |
93% |
| 02:27 |
OldCoder |
Cool! Compiled! |
| 02:28 |
OldCoder |
kahrl, I shall test your code now |
| 02:28 |
* kahrl |
crosses fingers |
| 02:31 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 02:31 |
OldCoder |
It is not life or death just a step wait a bit |
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| 02:39 |
OldCoder |
I wouldn't call it lightning fast VanessaE kahrl But I am seeing downloads from the curl folder and it is about 4MB a minute... is that better than the default client? |
| 02:40 |
OldCoder |
I will save the cache and upload the Win32 version of the client |
| 02:40 |
VanessaE |
way better. |
| 02:41 |
OldCoder |
I think this issue is the next big step for MT |
| 02:41 |
OldCoder |
Game must start fast |
| 02:41 |
OldCoder |
Even with Ambience |
| 02:41 |
VanessaE |
the default code is lucky to pull off a third of that |
| 02:41 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 02:41 |
OldCoder |
Good |
| 02:41 |
OldCoder |
Nearly loaded now actually |
| 02:41 |
VanessaE |
around 1800 kB/minute per client is what I've seen |
| 02:41 |
OldCoder |
*With* ambience |
| 02:42 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, I just symlinked all the images and sound files into one folder |
| 02:42 |
OldCoder |
There are bound to be conflicts |
| 02:42 |
VanessaE |
that works. |
| 02:42 |
OldCoder |
We will need to sort them ot |
| 02:42 |
OldCoder |
* out |
| 02:42 |
Menche |
i remember the media download going noticably faster with kahrl's httpfetch branch |
| 02:42 |
OldCoder |
Menche, that appears to be confirmed right now |
| 02:43 |
OldCoder |
I'll upload the client I've built and if it works, I suggest requesting that upstream merge |
| 02:43 |
OldCoder |
Testing for a few more minutes |
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thefamilygrog66 |
bonjour |
| 02:46 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 02:48 |
thefamilygrog66 |
hey V, have you ever used elementary os? |
| 02:49 |
VanessaE |
nope |
| 02:49 |
thefamilygrog66 |
http://elementaryos.org/ |
| 02:49 |
thefamilygrog66 |
looks purty |
| 02:51 |
OldCoder |
Downloads are quite slow at this point! Must be in Ambience |
| 02:51 |
OldCoder |
I reenabled it for this test |
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| 02:54 |
OldCoder |
Ah I see what I did wrong |
| 02:55 |
VanessaE |
bbl |
| 02:56 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, this is going well fyi |
| 02:58 |
OldCoder |
kahrl, your code speeds things up by at least 3X |
| 02:58 |
Peacock |
Czechoslovakia invasion plans nearly complete. |
| 02:58 |
OldCoder |
Very well |
| 02:58 |
* OldCoder |
assumes that is a joke of some type |
| 02:59 |
Peacock |
we'll see |
| 02:59 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Looks like a nice linux distro (http://elementaryos.org/), though there's a shot of someone playing Minecraft in the demo video, not Minetest. Lame. |
| 03:03 |
Peacock |
on the way back from the store, i saw someone putting up christmas decorations :'( |
| 03:04 |
OldCoder |
Uh huh |
| 03:04 |
OldCoder |
Of course |
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dafull97 |
Hey guys |
| 03:05 |
kaeza |
hi dafull97 |
| 03:06 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Canadian Tire had replaced all their Hallowe'en crap with Xmas crap when I was there today. |
| 03:06 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Still found cheap mini chocolate bars though. |
| 03:06 |
dafull97 |
kaeza! sup? |
| 03:06 |
* Peacock |
invades christmas, commits elf-genocide |
| 03:07 |
kaeza |
dafull97, not much |
| 03:07 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Santa vs. the Martians |
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arsdragonfl |
do i have to set up an HTTP server to use that feature in kahrl's branch? |
| 03:07 |
dafull97 |
kaeza, do you know if the low end server will ever close? |
| 03:07 |
kaeza |
? |
| 03:08 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I'd like to see this flick this winter: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1401143/ |
| 03:10 |
kahrl |
arsdragonfly: yes |
| 03:11 |
OldCoder |
kahrl, It is a success |
| 03:11 |
kahrl |
nice |
| 03:11 |
OldCoder |
I don't hear Ambience music but that is a separate issue |
| 03:11 |
OldCoder |
I must have configured sound wrong |
| 03:11 |
OldCoder |
kahrl, the files download fast and correctly |
| 03:11 |
kahrl |
great! |
| 03:11 |
OldCoder |
I will prepare and upload a client |
| 03:12 |
kahrl |
hopefully at least the remote media download part can go into upstream soon |
| 03:12 |
OldCoder |
Yep |
| 03:13 |
OldCoder |
Testing one more time |
| 03:13 |
codehero |
why doesn't minetest have a xorg class? :P |
| 03:13 |
OldCoder |
Hm? |
| 03:15 |
codehero |
the minetest window doesn't have a xorg class |
| 03:15 |
codehero |
which makes it quite difficult to move it to another workspace |
| 03:16 |
codehero |
especially with haskell :P |
| 03:17 |
OldCoder |
Before I upload the client, does anybody have any suggestions regarding sound? I built with ENABLE_SOUND=1 but Ambience Oggs aren't playing |
| 03:18 |
OldCoder |
Well, we will see if it works for you |
| 03:18 |
kaeza |
I recall someone else having the same issue with BlockMen's builds |
| 03:19 |
OldCoder |
Hm? |
| 03:19 |
kaeza |
(if that helps in the least) |
| 03:20 |
OldCoder |
Do you mean sound? |
| 03:20 |
OldCoder |
Anyway a Win32 client is uploading |
| 03:20 |
kaeza |
yes |
| 03:21 |
OldCoder |
About 25% there |
| 03:21 |
OldCoder |
I would love to see somebody try it in a few minutes |
| 03:21 |
OldCoder |
The mods need to be vetted and adjusted |
| 03:23 |
Jordach |
kaeza pm |
| 03:24 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, No IRC yet; wish to verify basic operation first |
| 03:24 |
kaeza |
OldCoder, take your time |
| 03:26 |
dafull97 |
kaeza, you have a skype? |
| 03:26 |
kaeza |
nope |
| 03:27 |
dafull97 |
oh, you know what ventrilo is? |
| 03:29 |
kaeza |
yes |
| 03:32 |
OldCoder |
http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-131102.zip |
| 03:32 |
OldCoder |
Would anybody care to try a new Win32 client and/or minetest.org port 131102 ? |
| 03:32 |
OldCoder |
OOPS |
| 03:32 |
OldCoder |
Would anybody care to try a new Win32 client and/or minetest.org port 30015 ? |
| 03:33 |
OldCoder |
I would like to know if music or sound effects are audible |
| 03:33 |
OldCoder |
There is a preloaded cache plus curl |
| 03:33 |
OldCoder |
So this should be fast enough |
| 03:33 |
OldCoder |
|
| 03:33 |
dafull97 |
i have a ventrilo server if you would like to join? |
| 03:34 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, are you awake? Care to try? |
| 03:35 |
kaeza |
OldCoder, running Linux here |
| 03:35 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 03:35 |
OldCoder |
Ditto |
| 03:35 |
OldCoder |
I tried Wine to test this |
| 03:35 |
OldCoder |
Are any Windows users awake? |
| 03:35 |
OldCoder |
NakedFury, ? |
| 03:36 |
NekoGloop |
no |
| 03:37 |
OldCoder |
k |
| 03:44 |
OldCoder |
NekoGloop, you use Linux? Not Windows? |
| 03:45 |
kaeza |
OldCoder, PM |
| 03:46 |
NekoGloop |
I use windows but i don't care enough |
| 03:48 |
NakedFury |
here |
| 03:48 |
NakedFury |
the highlight never showed up |
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OldCoder |
|
| 03:51 |
OldCoder |
NakedFury, It works |
| 03:51 |
OldCoder |
Feel free to try client though not finished |
| 03:51 |
NakedFury |
ok |
| 03:51 |
NakedFury |
where do I get it? |
| 03:51 |
OldCoder |
Sound works and startup is fast |
| 03:51 |
OldCoder |
One moment |
| 03:51 |
OldCoder |
http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-131102.zip |
| 03:51 |
OldCoder |
Use this to test minetest.org port 30015 |
| 03:52 |
OldCoder |
Do not build much there; the world will be reverted |
| 03:52 |
OldCoder |
Tell me what is broken |
| 03:52 |
OldCoder |
And I will fix it |
| 03:52 |
OldCoder |
NakedFury, ^ |
| 03:52 |
OldCoder |
Have fun! |
| 03:52 |
OldCoder |
I will follow up with an expanded version that adds the final set of mods for local use |
| 03:52 |
OldCoder |
I.e. offline play |
| 03:52 |
OldCoder |
But right now the mods need to be sorted out |
| 03:52 |
OldCoder |
|
| 03:52 |
NakedFury |
ok |
| 03:53 |
OldCoder |
NakedFury, Your world will return too |
| 03:53 |
OldCoder |
You had 30000 or 30001 IIRC |
| 03:53 |
NakedFury |
30k |
| 03:55 |
OldCoder |
Very well |
| 03:55 |
OldCoder |
It is all safe |
| 03:55 |
OldCoder |
Even Europe World |
| 03:55 |
OldCoder |
One step at a time |
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* paramat |
is in full effect |
| 04:08 |
NekoGloop |
paramat, stop making minetest worlds awesome mmmmk? |
| 04:10 |
paramat |
:D |
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dafull97 |
kaeza you here? |
| 04:13 |
kaeza |
no |
| 04:14 |
kaeza |
? |
| 04:14 |
dafull97 |
haha, well i needed help but nvrmind i figured it out haha |
| 04:21 |
paramat |
Peacock, im working on asteroid mod again, i left it in a very simple state. i know you have your own version but any suggestions are welcome |
| 04:24 |
NakedFury |
the ordinal 55 could not be located in the dynamic link library zlib1.dll |
| 04:25 |
paramat |
... im adding 2 new 3D perlin noises to vary asteroid size and structure 'roughness' (persistence) over large scales. also intend to include all default ores and a few new ones |
| 04:28 |
paramat |
... i want to vary ore proportions too to create mese-rich / iron-rich asteroids etc perhaps a way to extract oxygen from ore for breathable atmosphere nodes |
| 04:33 |
OldCoder |
NakedFury, ordinal 55 ? Is that my client? Worked for another person. Which Windows are you running? |
| 04:33 |
OldCoder |
I shall investigate |
| 04:33 |
NakedFury |
yes your client. windows 7. 64bit |
| 04:33 |
OldCoder |
Ah! |
| 04:34 |
OldCoder |
I will need to see if 32 vs. 64 bit Windows is an issue or not |
| 04:34 |
OldCoder |
Somebody named Curtis here reported success |
| 04:34 |
OldCoder |
I will survey over the next few days and see if there is a pattern |
| 04:35 |
OldCoder |
But in theory 32 bits should work |
| 04:37 |
NakedFury |
ok so I swapped that .dll file from another sort of new minetest folder to check but then a ordinal 74 something something popped up. so that particular stunt didnt fix the issues |
| 04:38 |
NakedFury |
swapping back to original file. same issue |
| 04:52 |
OldCoder |
NakedFury, I suspect that the standard cross-build procedure does not support 64 bits |
| 04:52 |
OldCoder |
I will need to ask around and find out why... |
| 04:52 |
OldCoder |
Most 32 bit apps work under 64 |
| 04:52 |
OldCoder |
I will research the issue |
| 04:53 |
OldCoder |
Reviewing now actually |
| 04:54 |
OldCoder |
NakedFury, you should install the X86 version of 2008 Visual Studio |
| 04:54 |
OldCoder |
It should be free |
| 04:54 |
OldCoder |
Reviewing further |
| 04:54 |
OldCoder |
http://download.microsoft.com/download/d/d/9/dd9a82d0-52ef-40db-8dab-795376989c03/vcredist_x86.exe |
| 04:55 |
OldCoder |
NakedFury, try adding that |
| 04:55 |
OldCoder |
It should not harm system but of course MS is problematic |
| 04:56 |
OldCoder |
NakedFury, It appears this issue is common with 64 bit Windows. People generally need to install 32 bit support libraries. If the 32 bit EXE I linked does not help we will research further. |
| 04:56 |
OldCoder |
I have access to a 64 bit Windows and can debug this |
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OldCoder |
Hmm |
| 04:59 |
OldCoder |
Does anybody else have a 64 bit Windows? |
| 05:00 |
OldCoder |
NakedFury, see this thread: |
| 05:00 |
OldCoder |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547 |
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OldCoder |
Others have the issue. We will work it out. |
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OldCoder |
Good morning |
| 06:16 |
reactor |
o/ |
| 06:16 |
kaeza |
mornings |
| 06:16 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, are you not asleep? |
| 06:16 |
OldCoder |
The MT work was successful |
| 06:16 |
OldCoder |
Next step is to debug 64 bit Windows Client |
| 06:16 |
kaeza |
\o/ |
| 06:16 |
OldCoder |
NakedFury could not run it but PilzAdam has had similar issues |
| 06:17 |
OldCoder |
DLLs can probably be adjusted |
| 06:17 |
OldCoder |
I actually have a 64 bit Win7 machine booting in a VM now |
| 06:17 |
OldCoder |
Before I sleep I will try it |
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OldCoder |
kaeza, I may have fixed the 64 bit problem |
| 06:29 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, if you see this, invite both 32 and 64 bit Windows users to try the ZIP |
| 06:30 |
kaeza |
k |
| 06:30 |
OldCoder |
NakedFury, delete the ZIP and redownload... or see me on Sunday and I'll give you one small DLL to try |
| 06:31 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, when you wake up; it appears the test is successful. I may also have a Windows client that works for both 32 and 64 bits. But only 32 bits is confirmed. |
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OldCoder |
sfan5, ShadowNinja, Sokomine, thexyz please feel free to try the test world at minetest.org port 30015 using this Windows client: |
| 06:33 |
OldCoder |
http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-131102.zip |
| 06:33 |
OldCoder |
Works with 32 bits may or may not with 64 bits |
| 06:33 |
OldCoder |
For Linux client I recommend waiting for kahrl code or it will be too slow |
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reactor |
Where can I upload maps? |
| 07:03 |
thexyz |
to forum |
| 07:03 |
thexyz |
it's got attachments |
| 07:04 |
reactor |
But it's ~30M |
| 07:04 |
reactor |
if not more |
| 07:08 |
thexyz |
the limit is set to 30M, if it's more than that then sorry, no idea where to upload it |
| 07:08 |
thexyz |
try pomf maybe |
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sandman |
Anyone know of a decent way to speed up minetestserver? I've compiled stable-0.4 @ my Raspberry Pi, and it runs decent enough to play it vanilla, but with Simple Mobs it seems so horribly inefficient... |
| 09:45 |
sandman |
Seems to spawn 4 processes, two of which together are always consuming 100% CPU |
| 09:45 |
reactor |
I second that, but it seems slow even on this machine. |
| 09:45 |
sandman |
Up to 15 seconds lag for anything to respond. |
| 09:46 |
sandman |
Aye |
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sandman |
I'm just wondering why it would be |
| 09:46 |
reactor |
I mean, I would like to know it, too. |
| 09:46 |
sandman |
Doesn't seem like it should be consuming that much CPU. I also compiled it for Release, not debug, but perhaps that's not enough? |
| 09:46 |
sandman |
reactor: Perhaps I'll look over the code later see what I can come up with |
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reactor |
mk |
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pitriss |
sandman: i think problem is caused by mobs.. they can kill multicore server with dozen of ram:) |
| 09:51 |
reactor |
How does minecraft handle mobs then? |
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arsdragonfly_ |
sandman did you use luajit? |
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pitriss |
reactor: erm pointing to MC is not good at all.. MC need lots more resources than MT AFAIK.. (I don't have MC but my friend have it so i can compare) |
| 09:57 |
reactor |
idk |
| 09:57 |
reactor |
I hever had any problem with mobs eating up resources there |
| 09:57 |
reactor |
or I just didn't monitor it |
| 09:58 |
Peacock |
java games may suck up abit more resources, but i wouldn't go so far as to say MT is more polished than MC lol |
| 09:58 |
Peacock |
precisely because we can't have decent mobs in mt on servers |
| 09:59 |
reactor |
hmm |
| 09:59 |
reactor |
So, no zombie apocalypse inPripyat for me. |
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reactor |
s/in/in / |
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Peacock |
pripyat, thats the abandanoned model city near tchernobyl (sp?) right? |
| 10:00 |
kaeza |
AFAIK MC seems more "smooth" because of client side prediction |
| 10:00 |
kaeza |
which in turn needs client-side mods |
| 10:00 |
Peacock |
well they dont mod at all the same way in MC i think |
| 10:01 |
Peacock |
its more like hacking MC itself? |
| 10:01 |
reactor |
Peacock: ? |
| 10:01 |
Peacock |
(though... java = ugh) lol |
| 10:01 |
reactor |
Peacock: I'm making a map of it. |
| 10:01 |
reactor |
Not much so far. |
| 10:02 |
Peacock |
nice, its got that eerie/creepy feel on google images |
| 10:02 |
reactor |
Would you like to take a look? |
| 10:02 |
Peacock |
like centralia PA and Kennecott, AK |
| 10:02 |
Peacock |
if you got screens up |
| 10:02 |
reactor |
Uh, not familiar with these. |
| 10:02 |
reactor |
I haven't. |
| 10:02 |
reactor |
I could run a server. |
| 10:02 |
reactor |
s/a/the/ |
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Peacock |
im sortof into abandoned stuff lol towns, cities, malls, factories, etc. |
| 10:02 |
reactor |
Good. |
| 10:03 |
reactor |
Shall we develop it together? |
| 10:03 |
Peacock |
ill have toe check out the screens when it comes out, im dozing off as it is |
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Peacock |
*to |
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reactor |
I don't have enough time nowadays, but don't want it to rot in archives unreleased. |
| 10:04 |
reactor |
it haven't come out, and probably will never come out, if I don't find anyone to help me finish it |
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Peacock |
the trickyest part probably would be to find textures that look aged/cracked/deteriorated, |
| 10:04 |
reactor |
I have such. |
| 10:04 |
Peacock |
well id say put a server up, im surely not the only other one into that stuff |
| 10:04 |
reactor |
It's mostly ported from Minecraft, and I'm making more realistic models of the buildings. |
| 10:04 |
reactor |
Well, I have a server, but I only run it on demand. |
| 10:05 |
reactor |
Because this machine is not yet ready for timesharing. |
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Peacock |
me too, just leaving mine up all the time is like an open invitation to trolls lol |
| 10:06 |
reactor |
And I bring it down when it has nothing to do, to reduce wear and energy footprint. |
| 10:06 |
Peacock |
last time someone wrote on a sign suggesting i do something physically impossible with the server lol |
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Peacock |
energy isn't so bad here, two towers, but no tv or lots of appliances |
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Peacock |
(fuck dishwashers lol i do a better job by hand in less time with less hot water lol) |
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reactor |
heh |
| 10:08 |
reactor |
Well, we spend much dosh on lighting. |
| 10:08 |
reactor |
I don't like energy saving bulbs. |
| 10:08 |
reactor |
Their light is too dim. |
| 10:09 |
reactor |
Rather, some colours are dim. |
| 10:09 |
reactor |
Because of the nature of fluorescent light. |
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Peacock |
CFs or tubes? |
| 10:09 |
reactor |
CF. |
| 10:09 |
reactor |
Well, I might consider istalling tubes, because they're more efficient than CFs. |
| 10:10 |
reactor |
But we have nice vintage lights, so idk. |
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Peacock |
CFs too, but only cool white, warm white = headaches lol |
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reactor |
Idk about diodes. |
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Peacock |
this flat has a shitton of light fixtures, i only put bulbs in 2/4 fixtures in this room and even then only one of them is ever on lol |
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reactor |
I suppose they're same as CF. |
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reactor |
Oh. We prefer many small bulbs, for they distribute light in a more even pattern. |
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Peacock |
im too sensitive to light lol |
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Peacock |
http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00rMETVJmIbicH/LED-Light-Bulb-E27-Base-for-Home-Use.jpg |
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reactor |
I get pissed when one of them dies, though, which happens pretty often. It usually trips the breaker and causes data loss. |
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Peacock |
shouldn't be tripping breakers though, are the fixtures grounded? |
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reactor |
We don't have grounding here. |
| 10:12 |
reactor |
Lame, I know. But hell, I live in a flat block, on the top floor. So it would be problematic to get any. |
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Peacock |
shiite yeah, thats why, the have emergency power supplies for computers, but they cost a fortune and dont last long |
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reactor |
I heard one could hook up a car battery. |
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Peacock |
well i live on top of two bars and restaurant, so,,, free bad music on the weekends lol |
| 10:14 |
Peacock |
though it keeps heating costs down |
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reactor |
But the UPS should be reliable enough. Because they usually design them to only work for a short period of time. |
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reactor |
And it would overheat. |
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Peacock |
well most apps have autosave these days, so im guessing those emergency supplies are more practical for office settings |
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Peacock |
especially cash registers |
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ruskie |
UPS is really designed to allow for safe shutdown |
| 10:16 |
Peacock |
power goes out with out one and the figures are fucked for the day lol |
| 10:16 |
ruskie |
you want to run for longer add a generator on that |
| 10:16 |
Peacock |
well theres no room for a generator here lol though i wouldn't mind if they let me put a solar on the balcony |
| 10:16 |
ruskie |
you have a balcony... plenty of room for a diesel generator I'd say |
| 10:17 |
Peacock |
yeah except they wont even let us have a dish lol |
| 10:17 |
ruskie |
heh |
| 10:17 |
Peacock |
and gennies make a shit-ton of noise |
| 10:18 |
ruskie |
true |
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Peacock |
though i dont know what we'd do if there was another ice storm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Ice_Storm_of_1998) |
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Peacock |
pretty much the last time i saw soldiers on the streets too lol |
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sfan5 |
hi everyone |
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kaeza |
hi sfan |
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reactor |
o/ sfan5 |
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reactor |
May I include your script in my map when I release it? |
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pitriss |
hi kaeza: i just found your testclock mod.. Do you think that is possible to display dark semitransparent background under these clock? |
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kaeza |
pitriss, there are some problems with that, but it's possible |
| 10:36 |
kaeza |
namely that the order of HUD items is unspecified, and the background may appear above test |
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kaeza |
text* |
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pitriss |
ah so this background will hide text.. |
| 10:37 |
kaeza |
however, you can make it like the ammo counter in firearms (or the signs in homedecor) |
| 10:38 |
kaeza |
combine everything into a single texture, first the background then the text; that way you can be sure of the priority |
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sfan5 |
reactor: why would you want to? |
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pitriss |
thats sound a bit difficult.. I like simplicity of your mod, I will let it as is:) |
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pitriss |
kaeza: thanks anyway:) |
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reactor |
sfan5: I've modified it to change some types of blocks to other types |
| 10:39 |
sfan5 |
just include the diff |
| 10:40 |
reactor |
okay |
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kaeza |
pitriss, if the background is semi-transparent, worst you can get is tinted/darkened text |
| 10:40 |
reactor |
ruskie: generator needs time to start |
| 10:41 |
reactor |
ruskie: beside, keeping it on a balcony is not healthy for mechanics |
| 10:41 |
reactor |
sfan5: I will also include the fix that fixes orientation then. |
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sfan5 |
ok |
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reactor |
mk |
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reactor |
Peacock: shall I show you the map? |
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Peacock |
screenshots thread :P im smoking one last health-stick and going to bed before the sun rises lol |
| 10:46 |
reactor |
Oh. |
| 10:46 |
reactor |
Well, I don't think I have time to register on the forums any time soon. |
| 10:49 |
reactor |
Beside, I can't put out the map before I at least port the whole town from Minecraft map. |
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Peacock |
i think sfan has a tool for conversions |
| 10:49 |
reactor |
If you're curious, the map I'm porting is TheZone by TsarCorp |
| 10:49 |
reactor |
I use that tool. |
| 10:49 |
reactor |
I had to fix a bug in it, though. |
| 10:49 |
reactor |
but that's another story |
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sandman |
Hrm... what was this deal with luajit? I don't recall using it. I don't even know what it is |
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Peacock |
not bad http://www.planetminecraft.com/project/pripyat-city/ |
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Peacock |
well i'll be heading off to my regeneration alcove, nite folks |
| 10:53 |
reactor |
I'm so fucking slow. |
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nore |
hi PilzAdam |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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markveidemanis |
Hi |
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nore |
hi |
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markveidemanis |
OldCoder: Is my server done? |
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sandman |
Alright, going to give this a whirl with luajit. It can see that after disabling simple mobs, the performance is more acceptable, but the pattern of lag is still there. That is, there are fewer cap spikes with simple mobs disabled, but they're still there. That leads me to believe it's just lua that's behind this |
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sandman |
As the mods are lua, and after disabling them all there's still some lua being used by the default game. |
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sandman |
I'll let you know if I explode my source tree. =) |
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markveidemanis |
where is binary useful? |
| 11:47 |
VanessaE |
hi all |
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markveidemanis |
1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256... |
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thexyz |
VanessaE: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=116876#p116876 |
| 11:48 |
VanessaE |
ah, hadn't even considered that. |
| 11:48 |
VanessaE |
soon as I figure out where my adb cable got off to... |
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thexyz |
hm.. `adb hell` is a fun command |
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VanessaE |
thexyz: perhaps you meant 'adb logcat' ;) |
| 11:52 |
thexyz |
lolcat works too, use it all the time |
| 11:52 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 11:53 |
thexyz |
http://i.imgur.com/eDSY02K.png |
| 11:54 |
VanessaE |
*sigh* looks like I have to patch this copy of adb to recognize my device. brb |
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markveidemanis |
Whats that OS? |
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markveidemanis |
i want it too :) |
| 11:57 |
markveidemanis |
tried *ubuntu, nothing |
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thexyz |
this is gentoo |
| 11:58 |
markveidemanis |
lubuntu grub problem, ubuntu same, kubuntu unknown, xubuntu, wont start second time |
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markveidemanis |
ok |
| 11:58 |
markveidemanis |
Worth a try |
| 11:58 |
thexyz |
sure is |
| 11:58 |
markveidemanis |
Gentoo is on the lookout for its very own star. The 'Genfactor' is a talent competition which gives young performers in the local community a chance to shine and ... |
| 11:58 |
markveidemanis |
guess not that one... |
| 11:59 |
markveidemanis |
http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-iso/ |
| 11:59 |
markveidemanis |
Do i want the minimal? |
| 11:59 |
markveidemanis |
Or is there something fuller |
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TheLastProject |
markveidemanis: Stop right there |
| 12:00 |
TheLastProject |
If you are asking such questions, you want to read the manual and understand that installing Gentoo will probably take you about 8 hours on your first try if you have a clue of what you're doing |
| 12:00 |
VanessaE |
there we go, got access to the device's log. |
| 12:00 |
TheLastProject |
Nobody is going to hold your hand during an 8-hour-long OS installation |
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thexyz |
VanessaE: anything interesting there? |
| 12:01 |
thexyz |
markveidemanis: it also depends on your hardware |
| 12:01 |
markveidemanis |
It will take that long just to download |
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markveidemanis |
amd64 |
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VanessaE |
I'm just now getting to (re-)installing the game. hold a bit. |
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thexyz |
markveidemanis: what's your CPU? |
| 12:02 |
markveidemanis |
x64-based-processor says windows |
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thexyz |
model name |
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thexyz |
don't even try this on atom or similar |
| 12:02 |
ruskie |
your only experience is windows and or ubunut and you're going with gentoo??? |
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markveidemanis |
G2030 |
| 12:02 |
thexyz |
also, don't even try it in general |
| 12:02 |
markveidemanis |
Any morew suggestions? |
| 12:02 |
markveidemanis |
i will try them all, and stick with the one that works |
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ruskie |
fedora, slackware, centos, mint, debian |
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ruskie |
top of my head |
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TheLastProject |
Oh God... |
| 12:03 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: I never realized how much debug spew this thing generates. Enough to rival the pc's /var/log/messages :) |
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markveidemanis |
... |
| 12:03 |
thexyz |
ruskie: that list, but in reverse |
| 12:03 |
ruskie |
thexyz, it's not order of preference |
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thexyz |
oh, okay |
| 12:03 |
ruskie |
my fav is slackware and I use it mostly everywhere I can |
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VanessaE |
aw G*d damn it. NOW of all the times in the world, my stupid tablet chooses to install half a dozen other updates. |
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thexyz |
hah, I've never tried it |
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TheLastProject |
I used to be a ricer but now I'm on Debian Testing :P |
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ruskie |
I used it 1998-2004 then switched to source mage and switched last year back to slackware |
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VanessaE |
Ok, first-time running the game..lesse what it does. |
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ruskie |
debian I'll use in a fire and forget setting because it's just a PITA to do much with it |
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ruskie |
fedora, mint, centos if you want something user friendly really |
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VanessaE |
thexyz: looks like it's segfaulting. |
| 12:06 |
thexyz |
just pastebin the log |
| 12:07 |
thexyz |
it can segfault because of many things |
| 12:07 |
thexyz |
and saying "it's segfaulting" is the same as saying "it doesn't work" |
| 12:07 |
VanessaE |
http://pastebin.com/cZF06a8M |
| 12:07 |
VanessaE |
heh I know |
| 12:07 |
VanessaE |
I *was* gonna post the log, jeez :) |
| 12:07 |
thexyz |
E/Irrlicht( 2127): 2Could not create archive for: /storage/sdcard0/playstarz/minefree/data/textures/ |
| 12:07 |
thexyz |
E/Irrlicht( 2127): 2Could not create archive for: /storage/sdcard0/playstarz/minefree/data/gui/ |
| 12:07 |
thexyz |
E/Irrlicht( 2127): 2Could not create archive for: /storage/sdcard0/playstarz/minefree/data/models/ |
| 12:07 |
thexyz |
E/Irrlicht( 2127): Could not open file of texture: /storage/sdcard0/playstarz/minefree/data/gui/ui160.png |
| 12:08 |
thexyz |
I had this one, actually |
| 12:08 |
thexyz |
was too lazy to investigate and just copied all files by hand |
| 12:08 |
VanessaE |
maybe just an out-of-space issue? |
| 12:08 |
thexyz |
dunno |
| 12:09 |
VanessaE |
hm, nope. 1.5G free on the internal storage. |
| 12:11 |
VanessaE |
brb |
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markveidemanis |
could i have a direct download for centos? the mirror sites are conusing |
| 12:12 |
markveidemanis |
*confusing |
| 12:12 |
thexyz |
that's so wrong |
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thexyz |
I think you're not ready for linux now, sorry |
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thexyz |
and since everyone ignored me last time, I'll repeat once again |
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thexyz |
> it may be a good idea to set ENTRYMSG and make it contain a list of international channels, like "English channel: #minetest, РуÑÑкий канал: #minetest-ru, " and so on |
| 12:16 |
thexyz |
no? |
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kaeza |
+1 |
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thexyz |
what other channels do we have, to start with? |
| 12:17 |
kaeza |
BTW, "Canal en español -> ##minetest-es" |
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kaeza |
(Spanish) |
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VanessaE |
back |
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thexyz |
this is actually pretty handy |
| 12:19 |
thexyz |
https://gist.github.com/xyzz/82bf4cc1a20f037e63f6/raw/f919905da80c42d935d275f49dfce11d34430712/gistfile1.txt |
| 12:20 |
VanessaE |
didn't know we had so many related channels. impressive. |
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PilzAdam |
lol, that help channel with 1 guy |
| 12:23 |
PilzAdam |
"Lets make this official" |
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thexyz |
that one guy is chanserv |
| 12:24 |
thexyz |
##minetest-es and #minetest-de are the only alive ones |
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thexyz |
still, it'd be good to have them in ENTRYMSG |
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thexyz |
anyone who cares enough to set it? |
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VanessaE |
oh I see why - my tablet doesn't have a /storage/sdcard0 tree, it's just /sdcard |
| 12:26 |
VanessaE |
(and even then, that points to the internal storage, not the external card) |
| 12:27 |
thexyz |
I don't even have any idea what access level do you need to set it |
| 12:27 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: care to try it? |
| 12:27 |
thexyz |
/msg ChanServ set #minetest ENTRYMSG English channel: #minetest, Canal en español: ##minetest-es |
| 12:27 |
VanessaE |
/msg ChanServ set #minetest ENTRYMSG English channel: #minetest, Canal en español: ##minetest-es |
| 12:27 |
VanessaE |
d'oh |
| 12:27 |
VanessaE |
[11-03 07:27] -ChanServ- You are not authorized to execute this command. |
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thexyz |
oh right |
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thexyz |
you need +s |
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thexyz |
OldCoder is the only one with it |
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thexyz |
can't be helped |
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IceCraft |
hi |
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thexyz |
wow stupid ebay asks me to leave feedback yet seller didn't even ship the item yet |
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issa2013 |
hello |
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issa2013 |
VanessaE, how are u |
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issa2013 |
can u give a milonk with minetest and many mod to create my own server please |
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VanessaE |
hi |
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VanessaE |
not right now, kinda busy |
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Evergreen_ |
Grr, can't get the nick "Evergreen" to work for some reason |
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markveidemanis |
ns ghost Evergreen Tree00-99685 |
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ruskie |
someone is using evergreen |
| 12:48 |
markveidemanis |
GHOST HIM! |
| 12:48 |
markveidemanis |
GHOST THE BASTARD! |
| 12:48 |
markveidemanis |
It may just be you |
| 12:48 |
ruskie |
or you know politely ask them to change it |
| 12:48 |
ruskie |
evergreen [~evergreengateway/tor-sasl/evergreen] <-- considering whois reports this |
| 12:48 |
markveidemanis |
If you disconnected unexpectedly, its you |
| 12:49 |
Evergreen_ |
hmm |
| 12:49 |
Evergreen_ |
Can something be done about that? |
| 12:49 |
thexyz |
ghost him |
| 12:49 |
Jordach |
ask in freenode |
| 12:49 |
thexyz |
/msg NickServ help ghost |
| 12:49 |
ruskie |
considering evergreen seems to be the one that owns the nick |
| 12:49 |
reactor |
Yes. |
| 12:49 |
ruskie |
not much you can do |
| 12:50 |
reactor |
Oh. I see. |
| 12:50 |
issa2013 |
VanessaE, please i want make a lan party this afternoon |
| 12:50 |
reactor |
It's not Evergreen. |
| 12:50 |
reactor |
It's someone else. |
| 12:50 |
ruskie |
yup |
| 12:50 |
VanessaE |
issa2013: I'm not the only one here who can help you with that :) |
| 12:50 |
reactor |
The realname field has different capitalisation. |
| 12:50 |
ruskie |
Registered : Nov 03 06:16:38 2013 (6 |
| 12:50 |
issa2013 |
i know u pack is realy good and complete |
| 12:50 |
ruskie |
hours, 32 minutes, 44 seconds ago) |
| 12:50 |
reactor |
issa2013: ? |
| 12:50 |
ruskie |
so yeah someone registered it 6 hours ago |
| 12:50 |
VanessaE |
wait, you wanna run my Game on your local server? |
| 12:50 |
ruskie |
why you didn't do so before no clue... |
| 12:50 |
issa2013 |
VanessaE, yes |
| 12:51 |
reactor |
issa2013: running it on your local server might be a solution. |
| 12:51 |
VanessaE |
a "milonk".. you mean the link to the game? |
| 12:51 |
issa2013 |
reactor, i m looking a pack with mod to make my own server |
| 12:51 |
issa2013 |
reactor, yes but it's loong to gett all mod pack texture ... |
| 12:51 |
reactor |
issa2013: use: mesecons, digiline, firearms, cars |
| 12:51 |
reactor |
homedecor |
| 12:51 |
issa2013 |
u need to found id independatly it's look |
| 12:52 |
reactor |
I wonder, is there a mod that adds grenades? |
| 12:52 |
issa2013 |
i remember VanessaE have apck directly playable |
| 12:52 |
VanessaE |
issa2013: you need to update to latest git no older than November 2 to run this: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/VanessaE_Game.tar.bz2 |
| 12:52 |
Evergreen_ |
Is it possible for someone else to ghost him? I don't want to wipe my existing account accidentally |
| 12:52 |
ruskie |
Evergreen_, there is no existing account anymore |
| 12:53 |
ruskie |
Evergreen_, the person evergreen registered the evergreen account 6 hours ago |
| 12:53 |
VanessaE |
issa2013: but gimme a few minutes to upload a new version of it. |
| 12:53 |
reactor |
False. |
| 12:53 |
reactor |
I didn't. |
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| 12:53 |
ruskie |
Evergreen_, the person evergreen registered the evergreen account 6 hours ago |
| 12:53 |
reactor |
Evergreen_: I don't even have a saw. |
| 12:53 |
reactor |
I\ get blamed for everything. |
| 12:53 |
ruskie |
Evergreen_, they are the only one that can use it now unless they give it up |
| 12:54 |
Evergreen_ |
GRRR |
| 12:54 |
ruskie |
Evergreen_, why didn't you register before? |
| 12:54 |
Evergreen_ |
I didn't remember to |
| 12:54 |
Evergreen_ |
Oh well |
| 12:55 |
TheLastProject |
EvergreenTree: /msg NickServ help register |
| 12:55 |
TheLastProject |
Before this happens to you AGAIN |
| 12:56 |
VanessaE |
issa2013: ok, update completed. you may download at your leisure, but again you MUST update your minetest to git dated from yesterday or today. |
| 12:56 |
issa2013 |
ok i use the ppa of the dev dayli |
| 12:57 |
VanessaE |
oh ok. that's fine, just be sure to, sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 12:57 |
VanessaE |
enjoy :) |
| 12:57 |
issa2013 |
ok and the link is the same |
| 12:59 |
VanessaE |
let me know if you have any problems with it. the link is as above, http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/VanessaE_Game.tar.bz2 |
| 12:59 |
issa2013 |
no update |
| 12:59 |
issa2013 |
thats wired |
| 12:59 |
issa2013 |
where i can see the version on minetest please |
| 12:59 |
issa2013 |
on the game i see minetest 0.4.7 |
| 13:00 |
VanessaE |
if you see "0.4.7" without any extra gibberish-looing numbers, you're not using the nightlies repo |
| 13:00 |
VanessaE |
looking* |
| 13:01 |
VanessaE |
e.g. if it doesn't read something close to "Minetest-0.4.7-MSVC-353-gdbf4f12", it's not the nightlies repo (unless the buildbot doesn't insert the proper versioning) |
| 13:02 |
VanessaE |
you can double-check from a terminal also. |
| 13:02 |
VanessaE |
minetest --version |
| 13:03 |
issa2013 |
VanessaE, 14:03:21: ERROR[main]: Unknown command-line parameter "--version" |
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| 13:04 |
EvergreenTree |
EvergreenTree is ready to rock and roll! :D |
| 13:04 |
VanessaE |
issa2013: wtf? |
| 13:04 |
issa2013 |
VanessaE, i used this ppa -- > ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds |
| 13:04 |
kaeza |
ftw! |
| 13:04 |
VanessaE |
when was --version added to the program's command line switches? |
| 13:06 |
issa2013 |
http://pastebin.com/azgAgywe |
| 13:06 |
issa2013 |
i understand the ppa not working |
| 13:06 |
issa2013 |
in fact i have the relase minetest |
| 13:06 |
issa2013 |
:/ |
| 13:07 |
kaeza |
Date: Wed Sep 25 04:47:44 2013 +0200: Add --version option |
| 13:07 |
issa2013 |
i found this pack |
| 13:07 |
issa2013 |
https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/daily-builds/+packages |
| 13:07 |
kaeza |
commit 5dce44ec5e5f7231dba3cdbec3f1fdc683ce5a34 |
| 13:08 |
issa2013 |
kaeza, sorry but on the realease 0.4.7 but is not woring i have the error |
| 13:08 |
kaeza |
issa2013, are you sure you don't have other version installed? |
| 13:09 |
reactor |
Shit. |
| 13:09 |
reactor |
Why not YYMMDD? |
| 13:09 |
ruskie |
YYYYMMDD is the usual |
| 13:09 |
kaeza |
(as in, parallel versions) |
| 13:09 |
reactor |
Only YYMMDD is good for sorting. |
| 13:09 |
VanessaE |
YYYY-MM-DD is how G*d intended it to be, damn it :D |
| 13:09 |
reactor |
Maybe even that, VanessaE. |
| 13:10 |
VanessaE |
issa2013: you are definitely not running the daily builds repo, you probably did not install the PPA correctly. |
| 13:10 |
reactor |
But I doubt we'll be alive in 2113 |
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| 13:10 |
reactor |
Well. I will be. |
| 13:11 |
VanessaE |
I plan to live to see warp drive, transporters, and food replicators, even if it takes another 200 years :) |
| 13:11 |
kaeza |
maybe then we can see 0.4.8 >.> |
| 13:11 |
ruskie |
john_minetest, I believe there are some devices already for that |
| 13:11 |
VanessaE |
john_minetest: actually, it is. |
| 13:11 |
ruskie |
mostly laboratory stuff |
| 13:11 |
VanessaE |
I've seen some stories about that recenly. |
| 13:12 |
VanessaE |
recently* |
| 13:12 |
Zeg9 |
Hi |
| 13:12 |
VanessaE |
hey Zeg9 |
| 13:12 |
issa2013 |
VanessaE, reactor http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1493/7f4y.png |
| 13:13 |
VanessaE |
that's the stable build all right. |
| 13:13 |
EvergreenTree |
Hello Zeg9 |
| 13:14 |
issa2013 |
ok so i remove it |
| 13:14 |
VanessaE |
issa2013: re-check that you actually completed installing the PPA |
| 13:14 |
VanessaE |
you probably just skipped a step, not hard to do. |
| 13:15 |
VanessaE |
I suggest completely removing all traces of your minetest install and the PPA (but keep your personal files of course), and start from scratch |
| 13:16 |
Zeg9 |
Why is my minetest version titled "Minetest 0.4.7-MSVC"? |
| 13:16 |
reactor |
MS Visual C? |
| 13:16 |
reactor |
:( |
| 13:16 |
thexyz |
because microsoft donated 1000$ |
| 13:16 |
reactor |
thexyz: really? |
| 13:16 |
thexyz |
no they don't do this |
| 13:17 |
thexyz |
it's how last tag is named |
| 13:17 |
thexyz |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases |
| 13:17 |
reactor |
Oh. |
| 13:17 |
thexyz |
and it's named like this because we've found an issue with msvc after we released 0.4.7 |
| 13:18 |
reactor |
Oh. |
| 13:19 |
issa2013 |
VanessaE, please what means this -->The version number of the package is compile date; please check your actual version in-game |
| 13:20 |
VanessaE |
just what it says - in-game means the numbering at the top left. |
| 13:28 |
issa2013 |
VanessaE, sorry but i have added the ppa and my ubuntu can't found paquets : http://pastebin.com/xNZhG9rX |
| 13:28 |
issa2013 |
i don't understand what is wrong |
| 13:29 |
VanessaE |
maybe the PPA doesn't work for saucy yet? |
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| 13:29 |
harrison |
i felt sorry for myself because i had no shoes |
| 13:29 |
harrison |
until i met a man with no concept of "walking" |
| 13:29 |
VanessaE |
harrison: stay on topic please. |
| 13:30 |
harrison |
i felt sorry for myself for not being able to stay on topic |
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| 13:30 |
harrison |
until i met a man who wasn't even allowed on freenode |
| 13:30 |
VanessaE |
issa2013: yeah, looks like it maxes out at 13.03 (Raging?) |
| 13:30 |
VanessaE |
er 13.04 |
| 13:31 |
VanessaE |
issa2013: you will have to compile it. |
| 13:31 |
VanessaE |
uninstall the PPA and follow these instructions: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L83 |
| 13:31 |
VanessaE |
(I run 13.10 also, and building is quite straightforward) |
| 13:32 |
issa2013 |
VanessaE, the problem it's all dependancie is really borried to install it |
| 13:33 |
VanessaE |
issa2013: those instructions tell you how to deal with the dependencies :) |
| 13:33 |
VanessaE |
line 87, the apt-get install...... will cover all of the deps. |
| 13:33 |
issa2013 |
a u right |
| 13:33 |
reactor |
heck. |
| 13:33 |
reactor |
Why don't people RTFM? |
| 13:33 |
issa2013 |
sorry in general u need to find alone all dependencies |
| 13:34 |
reactor |
It would be nice to list depends not as Debilian packages, but as product names intended by their developers, VanessaE. |
| 13:35 |
reactor |
For example, I had to look for them under other names in FBSD. |
| 13:35 |
reactor |
And it would be easier to look for product names. |
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| 13:38 |
issa2013 |
compilation start |
| 13:38 |
issa2013 |
i hop is fast |
| 13:40 |
issa2013 |
for windows u have a link please |
| 13:40 |
harrison |
international house of pancakes? |
| 13:40 |
issa2013 |
:) |
| 13:41 |
issa2013 |
Daily/unstable for windows |
| 13:42 |
issa2013 |
i foudn this : http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/ |
| 13:43 |
issa2013 |
ok i stop asking question thanks to all ;) |
| 13:43 |
VanessaE |
issa2013: sfan5's builds are good. |
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issa2013 |
ok compilation is over i ahve the minetest 0.1./-dev / minetest version |
| 13:44 |
issa2013 |
:/ |
| 13:44 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: you may wanna update that, your latest is over two weeks ago :) |
| 13:44 |
VanessaE |
0.1?? |
| 13:45 |
issa2013 |
http://pastebin.com/BtJkxGe2 |
| 13:45 |
VanessaE |
issa2013: ok good. |
| 13:45 |
VanessaE |
0.4.7-dev |
| 13:45 |
VanessaE |
that means you got the right one, in theory |
| 13:45 |
issa2013 |
ok |
| 13:45 |
issa2013 |
and for the windows version |
| 13:45 |
issa2013 |
sfan have old release dev |
| 13:45 |
VanessaE |
did you make sure to adjust your commands like it said? like the "or similar" part when you downloaded the source |
| 13:46 |
VanessaE |
"$ cd minetest-minetest-286edd4 (or similar) |
| 13:46 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, got your water shaders working |
| 13:46 |
PilzAdam |
(see forum for patches) |
| 13:46 |
PilzAdam |
screenshots incoming |
| 13:47 |
PilzAdam |
http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/443/WaterShaderDefault.png |
| 13:47 |
PilzAdam |
http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/444/WaterShaderHaven.png |
| 13:47 |
issa2013 |
u can't change keybord map ingame ;/ |
| 13:48 |
VanessaE |
nope, you gotta do that in the main menu |
| 13:48 |
issa2013 |
PilzAdam, waou |
| 13:48 |
issa2013 |
can i get this in game ? |
| 13:50 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: that second tweak is already in place in my non-working copy. |
| 13:51 |
PilzAdam |
use Irrlicht 1.7.3 then |
| 13:51 |
VanessaE |
interestingly, his latest pull (just now got it) reverts your patch... |
| 13:51 |
VanessaE |
and...fails to build. |
| 13:52 |
PilzAdam |
yes, my patch should be applied to the last commits |
| 13:52 |
PilzAdam |
sooo.... actually its reverting it |
| 13:53 |
PilzAdam |
the first patch makes it build, but it doesnt find the texture then, so the second patch fixes that too |
| 13:53 |
VanessaE |
lemme see what happens when I try it. |
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| 13:54 |
VanessaE |
still produces non-working water for me. |
| 13:54 |
VanessaE |
http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2011022013%20-%2002:34:38%20PM.png |
| 13:54 |
PilzAdam |
bad luck then |
| 13:54 |
VanessaE |
(from the last attempt) |
| 13:55 |
PilzAdam |
you use Irrlicht 1.8? |
| 13:55 |
VanessaE |
yep, but I had that happen under 1.7.3 also. |
| 13:56 |
VanessaE |
he's doing something that probably only works on very high-end cards or something |
| 13:57 |
VanessaE |
(though I would have thought my HD6870 would have been more than enough) |
| 14:02 |
sandman |
Could anyone help me clear all these unknown objects in my world? |
| 14:02 |
sandman |
They're all over the place |
| 14:02 |
sandman |
From mods that I used previously |
| 14:02 |
VanessaE |
worldedit, or alias them to air |
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| 14:06 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: just to be sure, lemme check against irrlicht 1.7.3 |
| 14:06 |
PilzAdam |
yay! added Jeijas waves to it! |
| 14:07 |
VanessaE |
coooool |
| 14:08 |
PilzAdam |
it doesnt look as good as Terasology, though |
| 14:08 |
PilzAdam |
since the waves and the parallax mapping are independent |
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| 14:08 |
VanessaE |
I really wish RealBadAngel would start doing proper forking and branching, this stuff would be easier to manage |
| 14:09 |
PilzAdam |
agreed |
| 14:09 |
VanessaE |
nope, doesn't work with irrlicht 1.7.3 either. |
| 14:10 |
PilzAdam |
heres the patch: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=116899#p116899 |
| 14:10 |
VanessaE |
is there something fundamentally broken about my video or wtf? |
| 14:10 |
VanessaE |
or does irrlicht just suck that much? |
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| 14:11 |
harrison |
i finally was able to install nvidia driver instead of nouveau to eliminate the bug that caused bothe Terasology and Minetest to crash within a few minutes |
| 14:11 |
harrison |
therefore, i can now spend time looking at both |
| 14:11 |
harrison |
i can say that Terasology gets very slow when the frame size is large |
| 14:11 |
VanessaE |
what are you and RBA doing that I'm not? what obscure depenency am I missing that you two have@? |
| 14:11 |
VanessaE |
!? |
| 14:12 |
PilzAdam |
I have a pretty decent graphic card |
| 14:12 |
kaeza |
magic |
| 14:12 |
RealBadAngel |
hi all |
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VanessaE |
09:09:18: INFO[main]: SourceShaderCache::getOrLoad(): No path found for "solids_shader/opengl_geometry.glsl" |
| 14:13 |
VanessaE |
09:09:18: INFO[main]: SourceShaderCache::getOrLoad(): No path found for "liquids_shader/opengl_geometry.glsl" |
| 14:13 |
VanessaE |
09:09:18: INFO[main]: SourceShaderCache::getOrLoad(): No path found for "alpha_shader/opengl_geometry.glsl" |
| 14:13 |
RealBadAngel |
actually mine is rather old one, HD 4670 |
| 14:13 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=116894#p116894 |
| 14:13 |
VanessaE |
among the messages in the debug log |
| 14:13 |
RealBadAngel |
we can try to add fake (empty files with just main() ) to see if presence of them helps |
| 14:14 |
VanessaE |
RealBadAngel: I have tried with irrlicht 1.7.3 and 1.8, with identical results. |
| 14:14 |
RealBadAngel |
and i have tried also with both and with same result. it just works |
| 14:15 |
VanessaE |
wtf is going on with my system that it just doesn't work for me? |
| 14:15 |
RealBadAngel |
i have no idea why it is not workin for you |
| 14:15 |
VanessaE |
pastebin your minetest.conf please. |
| 14:15 |
VanessaE |
I wanna see ALL of it |
| 14:16 |
PilzAdam |
oh god that sun is horrible |
| 14:18 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, check another one, i just pushed it |
| 14:18 |
PilzAdam |
its not the shape, its the color |
| 14:19 |
RealBadAngel |
whats wrong with it? |
| 14:19 |
PilzAdam |
the colors just feel wrong |
| 14:20 |
Exio4 |
^M |
| 14:20 |
Exio4 |
wat |
| 14:20 |
RealBadAngel |
for me they look quite natural |
| 14:20 |
VanessaE |
http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6353023/ |
| 14:22 |
VanessaE |
(from your third patch that includes jeija's waves) |
| 14:23 |
Exio4 |
RBA, could you use at least 3 branches |
| 14:23 |
Exio4 |
they make the job easy for anyone trying to understand the mess |
| 14:25 |
RealBadAngel |
Exio4, 3 branches? for what? |
| 14:26 |
Exio4 |
i don't want you to have 150 branches for each feature, but if you code something, keep it in its own branch, not a whole repository |
| 14:26 |
Exio4 |
it is faster bandwidth-wise for people with shitty networks, and easier to mantain to everyone |
| 14:27 |
RealBadAngel |
im coding shaders and every part of the code here is depending on each other |
| 14:28 |
RealBadAngel |
just the sky thingy is here just btw ;) |
| 14:28 |
RealBadAngel |
but it will be also replaced with shaded sky at all |
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| 14:29 |
Exio4 |
https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest_GLSLshaders/commits/master this could be, easily, a branch in your main minetest repository |
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| 14:31 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: your patch does NOT apply to 1c03... at all. |
| 14:31 |
VanessaE |
and I just re-cloned and git-reset back to that point just to be sure, |
| 14:31 |
RealBadAngel |
VanessaE, hold on, im adding it now |
| 14:32 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, btw, you shall use setVertexShaderConstant instead of setPixelShaderConstant(" |
| 14:33 |
VanessaE |
RealBadAngel: what about your minetest.conf? you never pastebin'd it |
| 14:33 |
sfan5 |
VanessaE: I'm building a new one right now |
| 14:33 |
RealBadAngel |
will add it to first post |
| 14:33 |
RealBadAngel |
sfan5, wait a few minutes, im testing now Jeija's waves with it |
| 14:33 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, maybe because of git adding ^M in the diff? |
| 14:34 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: possibly. |
| 14:34 |
PilzAdam |
s/^M// then |
| 14:34 |
VanessaE |
I just copied what you pasted. |
| 14:39 |
PilzAdam |
ok, I got RBAs repo rebased against current upstream |
| 14:39 |
PilzAdam |
building now... |
| 14:41 |
PilzAdam |
hmmm... wait, RealBadAngel, on which commit is your repo based? |
| 14:42 |
PilzAdam |
is it 382357d61cde9d6d1b3cb94053ab1127db9d5462 |
| 14:42 |
PilzAdam |
+? |
| 14:43 |
OldCoder |
Reviewing |
| 14:43 |
OldCoder |
reactor, I will be pleased to host one of your maps or even to run it! |
| 14:44 |
OldCoder |
You must indicate the required or prohibited mods reactor |
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| 14:45 |
harrison |
OldCoder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI4IYRT-Msw |
| 14:45 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, john_minetest anybody interested in Zegaton... Please tell Zeg9 that Zegaton is updated and needs to be reviewed. I will post the mods list. And I need Windows 32 bit and Windows 64 bit people to test my new client. |
| 14:45 |
OldCoder |
harrison, Hi no time for videos what is it? |
| 14:45 |
harrison |
an attack on an assertion by john carmack |
| 14:46 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, it is copied a few days ago |
| 14:46 |
OldCoder |
If there is a blog post I will read it. But I do not video much these days. |
| 14:46 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, and what exact commit? |
| 14:46 |
RealBadAngel |
hold on a sec |
| 14:46 |
OldCoder |
RealBadAngel, I am upgrading worlds |
| 14:46 |
harrison |
i don't have time to write blog essays that noone will read |
| 14:46 |
harrison |
i prefer to make films that nobody will watch |
| 14:47 |
OldCoder |
PilzAdam, the rebuild worked. harrison I did not know this was yours. I regret there is no time for videos. Summarize perhaps in a paragraph or two and I may blog it myself. |
| 14:47 |
OldCoder |
Including video |
| 14:47 |
OldCoder |
Umm... not here if it is off topic |
| 14:48 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/382357d61cde9d6d1b3cb94053ab1127db9d5462 |
| 14:48 |
PilzAdam |
ok |
| 14:48 |
OldCoder |
PilzAdam, ruskie, Sokomine, others: I can work on MT mostly on the weekends for now. People are invited to visit a test world at minetest.org port 30015 using the brand new Windows client linked last night. I wish to add or update or delete mods as appropriate. |
| 14:49 |
OldCoder |
All of the other worlds will be upgraded when this test is done |
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| 14:49 |
OldCoder |
thexyz, kaeza too ^ |
| 14:51 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, your usage of git and repos is ridiculous |
| 14:51 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: +1000 |
| 14:51 |
PilzAdam |
even if you want seperate folders in your workspace you can still use branches |
| 14:51 |
VanessaE |
RealBadAngel: fucking use real branches and forks~ |
| 14:51 |
VanessaE |
PLEASE |
| 14:51 |
RealBadAngel |
ok ok, i will try to do so |
| 14:52 |
RealBadAngel |
meanwhile adding settings for jeija's waves |
| 14:52 |
PilzAdam |
btw, it seems like I cant disable the water shaders |
| 14:52 |
RealBadAngel |
theres no setting for it yet |
| 14:53 |
RealBadAngel |
also, water node shall be made different way |
| 14:53 |
RealBadAngel |
top of the node shall be different tile than others |
| 14:54 |
RealBadAngel |
so only surface would be shaded |
| 14:54 |
PilzAdam |
https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/commits/rba_shaders_2 |
| 14:54 |
PilzAdam |
rebased against current master |
| 14:56 |
VanessaE |
building your fork, PilzAdam (rba_shaders_2 branch of course) |
| 14:56 |
OldCoder |
<thexyz> you need +s |
| 14:56 |
OldCoder |
<thexyz> OldCoder is the only one with it |
| 14:56 |
OldCoder |
<thexyz> can't be helped |
| 14:56 |
OldCoder |
What is needed? |
| 14:56 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, pushed Jeijas waves |
| 14:56 |
VanessaE |
ok. |
| 14:56 |
VanessaE |
lemme let this finish first |
| 14:56 |
OldCoder |
And BTW does anybody have a suggestion about what to do next? Will kahrl code be integrated into upstream? |
| 14:58 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, i have already added Jeija's code with some fixes |
| 14:58 |
RealBadAngel |
and timeOfDay is already passed to shaders |
| 14:58 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, wait, Ill rewrite history |
| 14:58 |
VanessaE |
already pulled, PilzAdam |
| 14:58 |
VanessaE |
but ok |
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| 14:59 |
RealBadAngel |
https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest_GLSLshaders/commit/36416206c3d70013b06c0d75ba4bbcecb8e07548 |
| 14:59 |
VanessaE |
anyways, jeija's waves seem to work, but RealBadAngel's shader does not: |
| 14:59 |
VanessaE |
http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2011032013%20-%2009:58:11%20AM.png |
| 15:00 |
VanessaE |
the water waves up and down exactly like it should I guess, but those grey dots just flicker all over the water, as before |
| 15:00 |
VanessaE |
does it matter that I'm doing this under the 'minimal' game? |
| 15:00 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, pull |
| 15:01 |
VanessaE |
pulled. |
| 15:01 |
RealBadAngel |
im testing it with minimal too |
| 15:01 |
VanessaE |
no change. |
| 15:01 |
RealBadAngel |
no mods, clean build, just minimal |
| 15:02 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, ummm... is it wanted that lava looks like water? |
| 15:02 |
VanessaE |
no mods, clena build, minimal, and no config file. |
| 15:02 |
VanessaE |
clean* |
| 15:02 |
RealBadAngel |
no, its side effect |
| 15:02 |
RealBadAngel |
as i said, water node have to be redefined to distinct water surface |
| 15:02 |
RealBadAngel |
and shaders should work on this very tile |
| 15:03 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: jeija's waves are definitely working. |
| 15:03 |
RealBadAngel |
VanessaE, adding now fake geometry shaders |
| 15:04 |
VanessaE |
RealBadAngel: what will that do? |
| 15:04 |
PilzAdam |
do you get any warnings when running with --verbose? |
| 15:04 |
RealBadAngel |
VanessaE, idk, but worth a try |
| 15:06 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: nothing related to shaders. Several warnings about tile_images being deprecated and one about CONTENT_IGNORE being redefined. |
| 15:07 |
VanessaE |
http://pastebin.com/pdpPVS3x |
| 15:07 |
PilzAdam |
Im making a win build, maybe you can run it wine :-p |
| 15:07 |
VanessaE |
it's worth a try :P |
| 15:09 |
VanessaE |
maybe your thing with lava looking like water is related? ie. maybe the issue just manifests itself differently on my system. |
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| 15:11 |
VanessaE |
or the version of X I'm using maybe. |
| 15:11 |
VanessaE |
or G*d knows what else. |
| 15:11 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, no, as RBA said thats a known bug in the code |
| 15:12 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, can you add the link to my branch to the first post? so people can properly check it out |
| 15:14 |
VanessaE |
fwiw, the lava doesn't just look like water - it looks *exactly* like water, as in the same exact flickering speckles and randomly-moving gradients |
| 15:14 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, I have PMd |
| 15:15 |
PilzAdam |
nicey, the win build works |
| 15:15 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, flowing water is grey, is that intentional? |
| 15:16 |
VanessaE |
the water source in my hand flickers exactly the same way as the water on the ground |
| 15:17 |
VanessaE |
flowing water is grey for me also - with the same flickering dots all over it |
| 15:18 |
PilzAdam |
lol, the wabbeling of the water in my hand is epic |
| 15:18 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: too bad the *bottom* surface of the water also wobbles :) |
| 15:18 |
PilzAdam |
uploading the win build @ 130 KiB/s |
| 15:19 |
PilzAdam |
and that thing is 11 MiB |
| 15:20 |
PilzAdam |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=116916#p116916 |
| 15:21 |
VanessaE |
checking... |
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| 15:22 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: nope.avi |
| 15:22 |
VanessaE |
exactly the same artifact in the windows version. |
| 15:22 |
VanessaE |
there must be something busted with my system |
| 15:22 |
PilzAdam |
then its your graphics card |
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| 15:23 |
PilzAdam |
<Calinou> update your drivers |
| 15:23 |
PilzAdam |
:-p |
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| 15:27 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, opaque_water has no effect |
| 15:31 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, Hi! The channel is focused on the shaders thing today as I understand it... but download the latest version of my Windows client and see if it works under Windows 64 bits. Visit Zegaton please and tell me what textures or mods to fix. Homes are gone but I will restore them today. This copy of Zegaton is temporary. |
| 15:31 |
OldCoder |
|
| 15:31 |
NekoGloop |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqfFieDY14E |
| 15:31 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, If you see Zeg9 please advise him of all of this. I value his mods and efforts and I wish to speak. |
| 15:32 |
OldCoder |
http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-131102.zip |
| 15:32 |
kaeza |
this is like playing some weird survival horror game: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_513177501.jpg |
| 15:32 |
OldCoder |
R |
| 15:32 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, Oh that is nice; from what? May I blog it? |
| 15:33 |
OldCoder |
What world is it? |
| 15:33 |
pitriss |
kaeza: this is like some big planet is burning in atmosphere:D |
| 15:33 |
kaeza |
OldCoder, enabling RBA shaders on my cr*ppy GFX card |
| 15:33 |
OldCoder |
What world is it? |
| 15:33 |
OldCoder |
Random? |
| 15:33 |
NekoGloop |
kaeza, dat reach |
| 15:33 |
OldCoder |
So it is a test of RBA shaders |
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| 15:34 |
OldCoder |
Zeg9, Hi! Zegaton is upgraded to latest! |
| 15:34 |
Zeg9 |
Hey OldCoder |
| 15:34 |
OldCoder |
And it is fast using kahrl kurl! |
| 15:34 |
OldCoder |
:P |
| 15:35 |
OldCoder |
Try this Windows client under both 32 and 64 bits if you have Windows: |
| 15:35 |
OldCoder |
http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-131102.zip |
| 15:35 |
OldCoder |
World is still minetest.org port 30015 |
| 15:35 |
OldCoder |
Homes are gone but will be restored today and this copy of the world is temporary anyway |
| 15:35 |
OldCoder |
Zeg9, see me again soon as I wish to discuss mods for the world |
| 15:36 |
OldCoder |
Your mods in particular |
| 15:36 |
OldCoder |
o/ |
| 15:36 |
Zeg9 |
ok |
| 15:36 |
NekoGloop |
kaeza, have you modified how far you can reach? |
| 15:36 |
kaeza |
NekoGloop, it's unmodified default |
| 15:36 |
kaeza |
in creative mode |
| 15:36 |
NekoGloop |
creative mode has long reach now? |
| 15:36 |
kaeza |
yep |
| 15:37 |
kaeza |
(or maybe I got it from PilzTest, don't remember) |
| 15:37 |
Exio4 |
default |
| 15:37 |
OldCoder |
Zeg9, one quick question before I leave for the office. Do your places and skins mods work with latest upstream MT? And can you PM me links for what your own latest versions are? Plus should I use your inventory etc. ? I need updated recommendations and links |
| 15:37 |
OldCoder |
PM if you can either now or in the next few days |
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| 15:42 |
VanessaE |
ok, switched to the official driver from amd rather than the package in the ubuntu repo. verified it's working. built irrlicht 1.8, now building PilzAdam's fork against it. |
| 15:44 |
VanessaE |
hm, that's a little different. |
| 15:44 |
VanessaE |
no more flickering dots, but the gradients are still dancing back and forth across the water surface. |
| 15:44 |
PilzAdam |
screenshot? |
| 15:44 |
VanessaE |
sec |
| 15:45 |
RealBadAngel |
https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest_GLSLshaders/commit/683cfb691231d62bd1c8eda64cb1e7a8083cc596 |
| 15:45 |
VanessaE |
http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2011032013%20-%2010:45:14%20AM.png |
| 15:46 |
VanessaE |
that diagonal gradient and the circular blur dance back and forth across the surface together, but no more flickering dots. water is waving up and down like it should. |
| 15:49 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, pushed to my branch |
| 15:50 |
VanessaE |
wait a minute here, now the water isn't waving anymore |
| 15:51 |
RealBadAngel |
ive made default values to wave it sligthly less |
| 15:51 |
PilzAdam |
the default values are not good |
| 15:51 |
RealBadAngel |
imho now it look a bit better |
| 15:51 |
PilzAdam |
it looks even more like jelly |
| 15:52 |
RealBadAngel |
we can play with it and choose better default values |
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| 15:53 |
PilzAdam |
our shaders still dont look as good as Terasology's |
| 15:53 |
VanessaE |
our shaders don't fucking work at all for me :-/ |
| 15:53 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 15:53 |
VanessaE |
1120 shader units in my card, catalyst 13.11 drivers, and it still doesn't fucking work |
| 15:53 |
Calinou |
PilzAdam: to make them as good we need cell shading, water wates and depth of field :P |
| 15:54 |
Calinou |
shader units don't mean performance |
| 15:54 |
Calinou |
don't judge with that :P |
| 15:54 |
RealBadAngel |
code is ready to use reflections and refraction |
| 15:54 |
Calinou |
s/wates/waves |
| 15:54 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, then push it? |
| 15:54 |
RealBadAngel |
i need to implement water rendering class, that will render those to textures |
| 15:55 |
Calinou |
glass refraction/reflection would be cool too |
| 15:55 |
Calinou |
some "warp" effect on lava texture |
| 15:55 |
RealBadAngel |
i have working implementation of it in irrlicht |
| 15:55 |
* VanessaE |
screams |
| 15:55 |
PilzAdam |
so "I need to implement... " == "code is ready to use"? |
| 15:55 |
RealBadAngel |
so its not a big deal |
| 15:55 |
Calinou |
I didn't try the shaders |
| 15:55 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, go buy an GTX 460 |
| 15:56 |
Calinou |
that card is slower :> |
| 15:56 |
PilzAdam |
it works on it |
| 16:02 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: passmark shows the two cards to be fairly comparable. only about 5% difference in average speed (460 being slightly faster). |
| 16:03 |
RealBadAngel |
https://github.com/RealBadAngel/terrainTest |
| 16:04 |
RealBadAngel |
this is repo with Irrlicht example i found somwhere |
| 16:04 |
RealBadAngel |
it implements water class and rendering to textures |
| 16:04 |
RealBadAngel |
also contains water shaders |
| 16:05 |
RealBadAngel |
btw, both for glsl and directx |
| 16:06 |
Calinou |
460 is faster? that seems strange |
| 16:06 |
VanessaE |
wish I could afford a GTX Titan :P |
| 16:06 |
Calinou |
titan is useless |
| 16:06 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: yeah, 2762 vs. 2570. |
| 16:06 |
Calinou |
except for FP64 performance |
| 16:06 |
Calinou |
780 is half the price, it's 10% slower, factory OC'd ones are just as fast |
| 16:07 |
Ritchie |
hi, i have a bit old IBM server with CPU Pentium 3 1 GHz, i am compiling blender on it several hours, CPU usage is near 100 %, i have minetestserver on it with a bunch of mods on it (4k limit was reached), i am playing with 2 players else while blender is being compiled, playing here is very smooth |
| 16:08 |
Calinou |
pentium 3 is more than a bit old :P |
| 16:09 |
VanessaE |
he can't run the binary build because it has one or more illegal-to-his-CPU instructions :) |
| 16:09 |
Ritchie |
yeah, blender from website uses sse2, P3 doesn |
| 16:09 |
Ritchie |
't have SSE2 |
| 16:09 |
VanessaE |
ahh, I figured it might be an SSE issue |
| 16:12 |
VanessaE |
woof! anyone got about $200 to lend me for a GTX 770? :) |
| 16:15 |
Calinou |
770 is more than $200 :P |
| 16:15 |
VanessaE |
oops, wait, I mean the 480. |
| 16:17 |
VanessaE |
(looked at the wrong graph :P ) |
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| 16:17 |
Calinou |
480 is insanely noisy and hot :P |
| 16:19 |
VanessaE |
like my HD6870 :P |
| 16:19 |
reactor |
john_minetest: pwned. |
| 16:21 |
* NekoGloop |
curls up in VanessaE's lap |
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| 16:30 |
nore |
Love that commit message: Fix win32/msvc i18n (quite UGLY version, blame Microsoft) |
| 16:31 |
reactor |
Microsoft is the state of a system administrator after years of sitting at night trying to fix Windows. |
| 16:33 |
kaeza |
would that work on this? http://www.tylerwatt12.com/windoge.com/ |
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| 16:45 |
AspireMint |
Hello, i have problem with mesh/mt : http://i.imgur.com/o8n64RL.png?1 Anyone know why is it deformed? |
| 16:45 |
OldCoder |
Zeg9, I have returned and am here for a while. PM if you have suggestions about mods in your world. |
| 16:47 |
Zeg9 |
OldCoder, wb |
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| 16:48 |
OldCoder |
Zeg9, ty and PM if you have thoughts. I will be AFK at times today but back off and on. |
| 16:48 |
kaeza |
AspireMint, ask Jordach |
| 16:48 |
OldCoder |
Jordach, Hi. I have upgraded a world and I am testing 32 and 64 bit Windows clients. |
| 16:49 |
Jordach |
wait what |
| 16:49 |
Jordach |
i've got shit to be doing atrm |
| 16:49 |
Jordach |
atm* |
| 16:55 |
us_0gb |
I don't remember who wanted it, but 0.4.8-ready landclaim is finished. It was a total rewrite, but the code is much simpler now, with that protection function skeleton ShadowNinja added to __builtin. As soon as 0.4.8 goes live, so will the new landclaim. |
| 16:57 |
OldCoder |
I will keep questions brief as I am told focus is on shaders today. But should I turn off woolcraft and animated water external mods as they conflict with things that are now in minetest_game ? |
| 16:57 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, VanessaE ? |
| 16:57 |
us_0gb |
Yes, turn those off. |
| 16:57 |
OldCoder |
us_0gb, thank you!! |
| 16:57 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: yes, remove them |
| 16:57 |
us_0gb |
Wool can be crafted on its own now and water already animates. |
| 16:58 |
nore |
us_0gb, good! |
| 16:58 |
OldCoder |
And here is a tough one... Zeg9 says that unified inventory breaks inventory plus but it is needed by technic! I will ask Zeg9 if his own inventory plus is safe to use. Any thoughts? |
| 16:59 |
us_0gb |
Technic breaks several things. It sort of .... takes over. |
| 16:59 |
us_0gb |
Last I checked, anyway. |
| 16:59 |
kaeza |
inventory_plus is not really needed for technic |
| 16:59 |
VanessaE |
inventory plus is not needed by technic, and I don't think unified inventory is either. |
| 16:59 |
kaeza |
err... unified_inventory |
| 16:59 |
nore |
neither are needed |
| 16:59 |
OldCoder |
Hmm... So possibly leave out unified inventory |
| 16:59 |
OldCoder |
Zeg9, review the preceding when you return from AFK ^ |
| 17:00 |
VanessaE |
leave it out only if you must - it beats the hell out of all the other inventory mods. |
| 17:00 |
* OldCoder |
is now unsure and will seek further input |
| 17:00 |
OldCoder |
But Technic breaks it? |
| 17:00 |
OldCoder |
And I can't leave out Technic, can it |
| 17:00 |
us_0gb |
Unified Inventory is possessive though. No configuration or customization. |
| 17:00 |
OldCoder |
* can I |
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| 17:00 |
OldCoder |
Is consensus to leave out Unified Inventory then? |
| 17:01 |
us_0gb |
I would leave it out, but some people would leave out inventory_plus instead. It's up to you. |
| 17:01 |
OldCoder |
I wish primarily not to crash or break mods :-) |
| 17:01 |
OldCoder |
Ah; Zeg9 is back |
| 17:01 |
kaeza |
I guess it's up to the world "owners" |
| 17:02 |
us_0gb |
In that case, inventory_plus is needed for some modules, but I don't think anything relies on unified_inventory. |
| 17:02 |
kaeza |
last I recall from Octuteam, only thing that needed inventory_plus was money |
| 17:02 |
OldCoder |
Which is used by several worlds |
| 17:02 |
kaeza |
(and craft_guide, but UI supersedes it) |
| 17:03 |
OldCoder |
Settled, then... |
| 17:04 |
OldCoder |
Discussing with Zeg9 in PM now. Thanks. |
| 17:16 |
* Jordach |
grumbles |
| 17:17 |
thexyz |
OldCoder: /msg ChanServ set #minetest ENTRYMSG English channel: #minetest, Canal en español: ##minetest-es |
| 17:17 |
OldCoder |
? |
| 17:17 |
us_0gb |
WHat's up, Jordach? |
| 17:17 |
Jordach |
i got shit to be finishing today, and funnily enough my upload is being slow |
| 17:17 |
OldCoder |
thexyz, What does that do? |
| 17:17 |
Jordach |
and i cannot attach the archive to the email as it's 5mb over |
| 17:17 |
us_0gb |
Oh, lovely. |
| 17:17 |
OldCoder |
Entry message requires extra privileges? Odd |
| 17:17 |
OldCoder |
That is considered more significant than topic? |
| 17:18 |
OldCoder |
ShadowNinja, Jordach, thexyz, VanessaE, RealBadAngel is there consensus on the Entry Message change? |
| 17:18 |
OldCoder |
thexyz, if there is consensus I will execute the change |
| 17:18 |
Jordach |
im good |
| 17:19 |
thexyz |
we should also add #minetest-de |
| 17:19 |
Jordach |
RealBadAngel doesnt need to be pinged: he is not a channel operator |
| 17:19 |
kaeza |
add al so #-de |
| 17:19 |
kaeza |
-' ' |
| 17:19 |
OldCoder |
thexyz, proceed and indicate modified command |
| 17:19 |
thexyz |
I need someone to translate "German channel" to German |
| 17:20 |
OldCoder |
thexyz, plenty of German speakers will show up |
| 17:20 |
Jordach |
ask sfan5 |
| 17:20 |
OldCoder |
Let me see if any are in my other channels |
| 17:22 |
sfan5 |
Jordach: hm? |
| 17:24 |
OldCoder |
sfan5, see above |
| 17:25 |
OldCoder |
<thexyz> OldCoder: /msg ChanServ set #minetest ENTRYMSG English channel: #minetest, Canal en espaol: ##minetest-es |
| 17:25 |
OldCoder |
How should German part be worded? |
| 17:25 |
OldCoder |
sfan5, ^ |
| 17:25 |
PilzAdam |
Deutscher Kanal: #minetest-de |
| 17:25 |
OldCoder |
Oh BTW TheLastProject espaol would be spelled with the funny n character |
| 17:25 |
OldCoder |
Any other languages for today? |
| 17:25 |
OldCoder |
s/TheLastProject/thexyz/ sorry |
| 17:25 |
sfan5 |
OldCoder: <PilzAdam> Deutscher Kanal: #minetest-de |
| 17:25 |
sfan5 |
like he already said |
| 17:26 |
thexyz |
OldCoder: /msg ChanServ set #minetest ENTRYMSG English channel: #minetest, Deutscher Kanal: #minetest-de, Canal en espaol: ##minetest-es |
| 17:26 |
kaeza |
español * |
| 17:26 |
OldCoder |
Hmm; the n is not appearing |
| 17:27 |
OldCoder |
sfan5, I am in 5 conversations ATM excuse me for missing that :-) |
| 17:27 |
pitriss |
I have that n displayed |
| 17:27 |
OldCoder |
Interesting! HexChat bug possibly |
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| 17:27 |
sfan5 |
check the encoding you set for Freenode |
| 17:27 |
* Zeg9 |
sees the n using hexchat |
| 17:27 |
sfan5 |
I set it to UTF-8 |
| 17:28 |
Zeg9 |
hmm no |
| 17:28 |
Zeg9 |
only the one kaeza said |
| 17:28 |
OldCoder |
Checking encoding thanks |
| 17:28 |
kaeza |
ññññññññññññññññññ :) |
| 17:29 |
OldCoder |
Hmm.. does anybody know where that is set in HexChat or Xchat? |
| 17:29 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, Hi |
| 17:30 |
OldCoder |
Does anybody know where UTF-8 is set in HexChat or Xchat? |
| 17:30 |
kaeza |
OldCoder, Hexchat->Network List->Select network->Edit |
| 17:30 |
sfan5 |
OldCoder: XChat->Network list->.. damnit kaeza |
| 17:30 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, yes I am there but don't see it |
| 17:30 |
kaeza |
lel |
| 17:30 |
OldCoder |
Ninja! |
| 17:30 |
sfan5 |
how can you type that fast |
| 17:30 |
sfan5 |
>.> |
| 17:30 |
OldCoder |
I may try rebuilding HexChat |
| 17:30 |
kaeza |
my hands are well trained... >.> |
| 17:30 |
OldCoder |
Trained by the brained |
| 17:31 |
OldCoder |
Fast is a blast |
| 17:31 |
sfan5 |
NekoGloop is a kitten |
| 17:31 |
OldCoder |
With cats he is smitten |
| 17:31 |
NekoGloop |
meow |
| 17:31 |
Jordach |
OldCoder, windows bin link please |
| 17:31 |
sfan5 |
wonderful poem! |
| 17:31 |
OldCoder |
Jordach, coming up... and I found UTF-8 setting |
| 17:32 |
OldCoder |
Jordach, this EXE has now been tested with both 32 and 64 bit Windows... |
| 17:32 |
sfan5 |
wait |
| 17:32 |
sfan5 |
I actually use that Latin hybrid thing |
| 17:32 |
kaeza |
OldCoder, anyway, in network config, at bottom of window there's a combobox labeled "character set" |
| 17:32 |
kaeza |
set it to "UTF-8" |
| 17:32 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, Yes I found it thanks |
| 17:32 |
OldCoder |
sfan5, I may try that |
| 17:32 |
OldCoder |
http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-131102.zip |
| 17:32 |
OldCoder |
Jordach, ^ |
| 17:32 |
Jordach |
grabbed |
| 17:32 |
OldCoder |
Jordach, It has preloaded cache but no mods yet |
| 17:32 |
OldCoder |
I am working on the set |
| 17:32 |
OldCoder |
Try it with minetest.org port 30015 |
| 17:33 |
OldCoder |
Would somebody type that funny n character or do I need to restart IRC client first? |
| 17:33 |
OldCoder |
thexyz, Jordach I will update entry message for channel as soon as n character is fixed |
| 17:33 |
thexyz |
alright |
| 17:33 |
OldCoder |
espa?ol |
| 17:33 |
thexyz |
ññññññññññññññññññ |
| 17:33 |
OldCoder |
Yes!! |
| 17:33 |
OldCoder |
It works! |
| 17:34 |
* OldCoder |
dances with joy |
| 17:34 |
thexyz |
http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-11-03#i_3411007 |
| 17:34 |
OldCoder |
BACON /msg ChanServ set #minetest ENTRYMSG English channel: #minetest | Deutscher Kanal: #minetest-de | Canal en espa?ol: ##minetest-es |
| 17:34 |
OldCoder |
Does that look right? |
| 17:35 |
PilzAdam |
no |
| 17:35 |
PilzAdam |
you write a ? instead of the n |
| 17:35 |
OldCoder |
Nope |
| 17:35 |
OldCoder |
Hang on... |
| 17:35 |
OldCoder |
??????? |
| 17:35 |
PilzAdam |
set your charset to "IRC (Latin / unicode hybrid)" |
| 17:36 |
OldCoder |
I don't have that option... just UTF-8 and various ISO |
| 17:36 |
OldCoder |
Hang on and excuse delays please |
| 17:36 |
OldCoder |
Let me set UTF-8 and restart client |
| 17:36 |
sfan5 |
wait.. I looked at the wrong network, I'm actually using UTF-8 |
| 17:36 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 17:36 |
OldCoder |
Let me restart |
| 17:37 |
OldCoder |
espa?ol |
| 17:37 |
OldCoder |
Does that have the n or a question mark? |
| 17:37 |
sfan5 |
a ? |
| 17:37 |
OldCoder |
Hmm |
| 17:37 |
sfan5 |
an* |
| 17:37 |
OldCoder |
I will restart the client. Be right back in 3 minutes. |
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| 17:39 |
ShadowNinja |
Perhaps prefix it with "Welcome to #minetest! " |
| 17:39 |
OldCoder |
Could be... |
| 17:39 |
OldCoder |
español |
| 17:39 |
kaeza |
\o/ |
| 17:39 |
OldCoder |
Does anybody see an n there? |
| 17:39 |
sfan5 |
yep |
| 17:39 |
OldCoder |
Ah! |
| 17:39 |
PilzAdam |
works now |
| 17:40 |
NekoGloop |
no |
| 17:40 |
NekoGloop |
I don't see it |
| 17:40 |
OldCoder |
BACON /msg ChanServ set #minetest ENTRYMSG Welcome to Minetest | English channel: #minetest | Willkommen. Deutscher Kanal: #minetest-de | Bienvenido. Canal en español: ##minetest-es |
| 17:40 |
NekoGloop |
but my client hates special characters |
| 17:41 |
sfan5 |
NekoGloop: switch to UTF-8 |
| 17:41 |
sfan5 |
that looks right |
| 17:41 |
OldCoder |
Folks happy with it? Can redo later. |
| 17:41 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 17:41 |
kaeza |
looks ok |
| 17:41 |
OldCoder |
exiting and entering to test |
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| 17:41 |
NekoGloop |
I don't even know how to do that |
| 17:41 |
OldCoder |
Looks good here |
| 17:42 |
sfan5 |
what about ''Welcome to the Minetest channel | English[....]'' |
| 17:42 |
sfan5 |
NekoGloop: which irc client? |
| 17:42 |
OldCoder |
Don't want to be too long but O.K... |
| 17:42 |
PilzAdam |
!kick PilzAdam this is way better to part than /part |
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| 17:42 |
NekoGloop |
don't are |
| 17:42 |
sfan5 |
haha |
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| 17:42 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 17:42 |
NekoGloop |
don't care |
| 17:42 |
sfan5 |
!kick sfan5 part, parts, parties, pants; meow |
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| 17:42 |
NekoGloop |
you forgot panties |
| 17:43 |
PilzAdam |
I wonder why it mentiones the english channel if the user already joins it |
| 17:43 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, have you made win build with latest changes? |
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| 17:43 |
OldCoder |
reactor, Hi I will host your map if you like |
| 17:43 |
OldCoder |
the 30MB one |
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| 17:43 |
OldCoder |
RealBadAngel, I have done that |
| 17:43 |
nore |
you don't need to op to use !kick? |
| 17:43 |
OldCoder |
And it has been tested with 32 and 64 bit Windows |
| 17:43 |
NekoGloop |
!kick NekoGloop lol |
| 17:44 |
NekoGloop |
;P |
| 17:44 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, the win build is 54c8b (https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/commits/rba_shaders_2) |
| 17:44 |
nore |
? |
| 17:44 |
reactor |
OldCoder: good. |
| 17:44 |
reactor |
OldCoder: uh |
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NekoGloop was kicked by MinetestBot: lol; sorry for being late.. |
| 17:44 |
reactor |
OldCoder: you mean, host the package? |
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| 17:44 |
nore |
wtf?? |
| 17:44 |
OldCoder |
or the world if you like |
| 17:44 |
sfan5 |
nore: that wouldn't make sense |
| 17:44 |
pitriss |
LOL |
| 17:44 |
nore |
sfan5, what was the last one then? |
| 17:44 |
sfan5 |
if you already have op you wouldn't need to use MinetestBot's ability |
| 17:44 |
reactor |
OldCoder: okay; I like the world, too, then |
| 17:44 |
reactor |
OldCoder: would like* |
| 17:44 |
nore |
was that you? |
| 17:45 |
OldCoder |
We will look at it |
| 17:45 |
sfan5 |
yes :D |
| 17:45 |
OldCoder |
If world can be merged with others, even better |
| 17:45 |
reactor |
OldCoder: but it's not quite ready |
| 17:45 |
OldCoder |
OK |
| 17:45 |
nore |
so you need to be op for MinetestBot |
| 17:45 |
reactor |
OldCoder: the world can, but it's huge |
| 17:45 |
OldCoder |
Only 30MB? |
| 17:45 |
reactor |
OldCoder: like 5x5 km |
| 17:45 |
* OldCoder |
likes large worlds |
| 17:45 |
OldCoder |
But 30MB does not sound too large |
| 17:46 |
reactor |
hmm |
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| 17:46 |
reactor |
it's 17M now; when I'll have ported the whole world, it will probably be about 30..40M |
| 17:46 |
OldCoder |
Take your time and work on it... but if you like I will try it whenever |
| 17:46 |
reactor |
And it's about 5x5 km |
| 17:46 |
OldCoder |
Ported? |
| 17:46 |
reactor |
also, I haven't ported underground |
| 17:46 |
reactor |
Yes, from Minecraft. |
| 17:46 |
OldCoder |
Ah! |
| 17:46 |
OldCoder |
Have fun |
| 17:46 |
reactor |
The map is not my work, I'm only porting it and fixing realism |
| 17:47 |
reactor |
as in, replacing buildings with better models |
| 17:47 |
reactor |
And I have no idea of what use this map will be. |
| 17:47 |
reactor |
As for underground, well, it can be generated later procedurally, I think |
| 17:48 |
thexyz |
guys, we've decided to have subforums in "Discussion in other languages", what languages should I add? |
| 17:48 |
reactor |
Russian. |
| 17:48 |
reactor |
German. |
| 17:48 |
nore |
thexyz, French too |
| 17:49 |
sfan5 |
MinetestBot has already seen 299 different people in the channels it is in </random> |
| 17:49 |
nore |
(even if I don't use it, many other french users do...) |
| 17:49 |
thexyz |
also, do you think it's a good idea? |
| 17:49 |
PilzAdam |
sfan5, and how many friends does she have? |
| 17:49 |
nore |
thexyz, yes |
| 17:49 |
sfan5 |
PilzAdam: she doesn't record that into a SQL table yet :P |
| 17:50 |
PilzAdam |
thexyz, meh, too many forums are not good |
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| 17:52 |
thexyz |
PilzAdam: what's the problem with many subforums? |
| 17:53 |
reactor |
OldCoder: if that's too big, we could cut out the city centre and use it. |
| 17:53 |
reactor |
OldCoder: other than that, there are no interesting buildings around |
| 17:53 |
OldCoder |
No! |
| 17:53 |
OldCoder |
Yes! |
| 17:54 |
reactor |
? |
| 17:54 |
OldCoder |
I mean... keep all the interesting parts |
| 17:54 |
PilzAdam |
thexyz, it gets too muddled (what a nice word) |
| 17:54 |
OldCoder |
And I'd love to merge some of my worlds... Better to have fewer large and interesting places than more smaller and scattered places |
| 17:54 |
OldCoder |
reactor, ^ |
| 17:54 |
* OldCoder |
requests help from people in coming months to edit worlds |
| 17:55 |
reactor |
OldCoder: how do I do that? |
| 17:55 |
thexyz |
PilzAdam: how so? |
| 17:55 |
reactor |
OldCoder: ofc I could save it as a scheme |
| 17:55 |
OldCoder |
reactor, WorldEdit is good |
| 17:55 |
reactor |
OldCoder: but that would take too much processor time |
| 17:55 |
OldCoder |
One step at a time |
| 17:55 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 17:55 |
OldCoder |
Not for me, reactor :-) |
| 17:56 |
reactor |
mk |
| 17:56 |
OldCoder |
reactor, you may edit your world as you wish on my server |
| 17:56 |
OldCoder |
reactor, will eight cores be sufficient for your needs? |
| 17:56 |
reactor |
OldCoder: you have a multiworld setup? |
| 17:56 |
PilzAdam |
thexyz, you need more clicks to get to a topic |
| 17:56 |
OldCoder |
reactor, I have 20 worlds |
| 17:56 |
reactor |
OldCoder: well, why if I could do it here and send you the results |
| 17:56 |
reactor |
One server per world? |
| 17:57 |
reactor |
Or all in one? |
| 17:57 |
reactor |
But how... |
| 17:57 |
PilzAdam |
thexyz, (if you are in a subforum, you need to move up, then into another subforum, and then into the new topic) |
| 17:57 |
thexyz |
PilzAdam: meh |
| 17:57 |
kaeza |
PilzAdam, ProTip: "Recently Active topics" link |
| 17:57 |
OldCoder |
reactor, (1) First answer, you would use my server to do worldedit. The part you said about too slow. (2) Second answer, I have developed my own multiworld setup. It is about 14 months old. |
| 17:57 |
thexyz |
that's like saying shit just because you want to say something, sorry |
| 17:58 |
OldCoder |
I have run 20 worlds at a time without problems. But I need to merge some of the worlds. They are too small to be interesting otherwise. |
| 17:58 |
PilzAdam |
kaeza, I prefere the topics being sorted in subforums |
| 17:58 |
kaeza |
hurr |
| 17:59 |
thexyz |
Calinou, Jordach, kaeza, sfan5, VanessaE: I'd like to ask all mods to help us move topics from this section https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?id=8 to appropriate subsections (make sure to UNCHECK "Leave a redirect topic in the forum from which the topic was moved.") and in case the appropriate subsection doesn't exist ask me to create it |
| 17:59 |
reactor |
OldCoder: oh. |
| 17:59 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: in the works |
| 17:59 |
reactor |
OldCoder: but you have to run a separate server process per world, don't you? |
| 17:59 |
kaeza |
thexyz, sure |
| 17:59 |
OldCoder |
reactor, Yes |
| 17:59 |
reactor |
Same here :D |
| 18:00 |
reactor |
I've made a script for that. |
| 18:00 |
reactor |
But it's kludgey. |
| 18:00 |
Calinou |
:o subforums |
| 18:00 |
OldCoder |
reactor, Actually I run multiple releases of MT servers in different trees as needed. You can have my scripts later on. |
| 18:00 |
reactor |
OldCoder: have you made an rc script? |
| 18:00 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: can't help there, I'm just a dumb single-language american :) |
| 18:00 |
sfan5 |
http://i.imgur.com/YnMOy7q.png |
| 18:00 |
reactor |
I can do the same with mine, but they're not rc. They're run from a custom rc script. |
| 18:00 |
PilzAdam |
thexyz, oh wait, I just thought you wanted to add new forums instead of these "sections" |
| 18:00 |
OldCoder |
reactor, I made daemons and startup scripts of different types. It is still under development. |
| 18:00 |
PilzAdam |
strike my objection then |
| 18:01 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: hey, google translate can identify the language |
| 18:01 |
Jordach |
thexyz, you're fucking joking |
| 18:01 |
reactor |
OldCoder: I think I would like to take a look at them |
| 18:01 |
Jordach |
please hope you are |
| 18:01 |
Jordach |
OldCoder, is there any new server |
| 18:01 |
reactor |
OldCoder: also, speaking of the world |
| 18:01 |
reactor |
You mean, I can host it there without cutting? |
| 18:01 |
pitriss |
thexyz: I'm ponder if czech subforum is needed, I know few players from czech but i'm not sure if it have sense for few players.. |
| 18:02 |
thexyz |
Jordach: ? |
| 18:02 |
thexyz |
I thought VE is joking, actually.. |
| 18:03 |
OldCoder |
Reviewing |
| 18:03 |
PilzAdam |
john_minetest, enable_bumpmaps = true |
| 18:03 |
reactor |
ChanServ or ChavServ? |
| 18:03 |
PilzAdam |
eh, *enable_bumpmapping |
| 18:03 |
reactor |
Bump mapping in Minetest is unnecessary. |
| 18:03 |
OldCoder |
Jordach, Right now I am only running Zegaton. I am going to set up Minetest Classic soon. And reactor world which sounds quite interesting! I wish to merge some of the old worlds too so that there is room for new ones. |
| 18:03 |
reactor |
And bad for your eyes. |
| 18:03 |
reactor |
:( |
| 18:04 |
PilzAdam |
john_minetest, and you need a TP that has bumpmaps of course |
| 18:04 |
OldCoder |
reactor, The framework will be released as a new Minetest system |
| 18:04 |
OldCoder |
reactor, summarize your world in a sentence for Jordach. It is a port of some MC place? |
| 18:04 |
reactor |
Jordach: it's a port of TheZone by TsarCorp |
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| 18:05 |
reactor |
Jordach: with custom, better, buildings |
| 18:05 |
Jordach |
OldCoder, i've already vistited his Pripiyat |
| 18:05 |
OldCoder |
Is that what it is called? |
| 18:05 |
reactor |
There are also textures for it. |
| 18:05 |
Calinou |
moved |
| 18:05 |
OldCoder |
Apparently it is coming to Minetest. I look forward to seeing it. |
| 18:05 |
reactor |
From some old version of that map. |
| 18:05 |
Calinou |
reactor: bump mapping isn't bad for your eyes at all, it just looks better if done properly :P |
| 18:05 |
reactor |
Calinou: I was kidding about that part. |
| 18:06 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: all german topics moved |
| 18:06 |
reactor |
OldCoder: it would be easier for me if someone ported it in one piece on a good machine |
| 18:07 |
reactor |
I have to paste it by bits. |
| 18:07 |
OldCoder |
reactor, What is involved? I have no MC tools |
| 18:07 |
OldCoder |
I do have an acceptable machine |
| 18:07 |
thexyz |
sfan5: how about other topics? it's not like you need to know the language to be able to move topics.. |
| 18:08 |
sfan5 |
ok, I'll move others too |
| 18:08 |
reactor |
OldCoder: mcedit, and sfan5's scheme generator (modified version, I will provide you that if you're going to do this) |
| 18:09 |
OldCoder |
If you wish I will do this |
| 18:09 |
reactor |
It'll take ages, and the scheme will probably be as big as 4G |
| 18:09 |
* OldCoder |
shrugs |
| 18:09 |
pitriss |
thexyz: but If you like to create czech subforum then correct word will be "ÄŒesky" and i can post you links to three topics which are belongs there |
| 18:09 |
OldCoder |
No big deal |
| 18:09 |
reactor |
I'm not sure if worldedit will handle it |
| 18:09 |
OldCoder |
reactor, Let us find out how mcedit works |
| 18:09 |
OldCoder |
Provide links and so on now if you wish |
| 18:09 |
sfan5 |
reactor: if needed you can split the file in multiple pieces |
| 18:09 |
OldCoder |
reactor, I do have a good machine :-) |
| 18:10 |
reactor |
Where do I start. |
| 18:10 |
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| 18:10 |
VanessaE |
bbl |
| 18:10 |
reactor |
Okay, we'll probably flood #minetest. |
| 18:10 |
OldCoder |
Wherever you wish. Keep it here temporarily so that sfan5 and others can comment. |
| 18:10 |
reactor |
#pripyat? |
| 18:10 |
OldCoder |
No |
| 18:10 |
Megaf |
Hi Gronx, welcome =) |
| 18:10 |
kaeza |
I've moved all spanish ones |
| 18:10 |
reactor |
Oh. |
| 18:10 |
reactor |
Mkay. |
| 18:10 |
OldCoder |
We can move to ##minebest |
| 18:10 |
kaeza |
now moving portuguese |
| 18:10 |
OldCoder |
sfan5, are you over there? |
| 18:10 |
Gronx |
Hey Megaf :-) |
| 18:10 |
sfan5 |
OldCoder: yes |
| 18:11 |
OldCoder |
Would anybody else be able to watch the MC conversion and comment. Jordach ? |
| 18:11 |
Megaf |
Gronx, the genius and cool people who develop minetest are here too |
| 18:11 |
reactor |
OldCoder: I would start with fetching TheZone by TsarCorp, but be aware we don't need the whole map, only the Pripyat part. |
| 18:11 |
PilzAdam |
sfan5, could you remove the [De]/[Ger] tags from the topics in the german subforum? |
| 18:11 |
Gronx |
Megaf, I was about to say, is this where the cool kids hang out :-) |
| 18:11 |
sfan5 |
PilzAdam: yes |
| 18:11 |
reactor |
OldCoder: I don't know the coordinates, and that's a problem. I might instead give you the map I had already trimmed |
| 18:12 |
reactor |
Because his map contains unrealistic stuff like STALKER locations |
| 18:12 |
Megaf |
Gronx, VanessaE is a lovely and clever girl that made the trees and plants mod that I use on my server |
| 18:12 |
reactor |
And the power plant located incorrectly. |
| 18:12 |
Megaf |
we have to thank her =D |
| 18:12 |
reactor |
The power plant would better be ported separately. |
| 18:12 |
Gronx |
Megaf, I'd give a hand with the base code but c++ really isn't my strongest language |
| 18:13 |
Gronx |
VanessaE, well done on all the mods :-) |
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| 18:13 |
Megaf |
sfan5, thanks for your work too :) |
| 18:14 |
PilzAdam |
sfan5, german topics: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5941 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6647 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6275 |
| 18:14 |
Megaf |
well, thanks everyone |
| 18:14 |
OldCoder |
reactor, join ##minebest with two ## |
| 18:15 |
OldCoder |
Megaf, Hi! |
| 18:15 |
OldCoder |
Megaf, I do not think we have met. I am simply a server operator. Pleased to meet you. |
| 18:15 |
sfan5 |
PilzAdam: moved |
| 18:15 |
pitriss |
thexyz: czech topics https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6102 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1227 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6870 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4498 |
| 18:16 |
Megaf |
Hi OldCoder, I have some servers too :) You can find them on the servers page at the minetest forum |
| 18:17 |
Megaf |
OldCoder, please to meet you too :) |
| 18:17 |
* OldCoder |
nods |
| 18:18 |
OldCoder |
Megaf, You are welcome to copies of my worlds once they stabilize again. I have about 20 of them. |
| 18:18 |
OldCoder |
I think about 7 are worthwhile |
| 18:21 |
pitriss |
thexyz: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4498 this isn tont french:) its czech:) |
| 18:21 |
pitriss |
*is not |
| 18:21 |
kaeza |
thexyz, can you create an italian subforum? |
| 18:21 |
thexyz |
pitriss: moved, dunno why it ended up here |
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| 18:21 |
thexyz |
kaeza: already done |
| 18:21 |
kaeza |
ah :P |
| 18:22 |
pitriss |
thexyz: np, thanks:) |
| 18:26 |
kaeza |
ok, I'm not familiar with the remaining ones |
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| 18:27 |
VanessaE |
back |
| 18:29 |
Hunterz |
pitriss pm :) |
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| 18:31 |
thexyz |
now it gets tricky! |
| 18:32 |
PilzAdam |
brb |
| 18:32 |
thexyz |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4944 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4989 any help regarding language identification is appreciated |
| 18:34 |
ShadowNinja |
thexyz: Filipino and Indeonesian acording to Google translate. |
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| 18:35 |
ShadowNinja |
And the topic if the first is "Filipino discussion thread"... |
| 18:36 |
thefamilygrog66 |
What's happening? |
| 18:36 |
thexyz |
ShadowNinja: yeah, but how should I name the subforum? |
| 18:36 |
ShadowNinja |
thexyz: "Filipino"? |
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| 18:39 |
thexyz |
ShadowNinja: alright, and what position should it take? |
| 18:39 |
ShadowNinja |
thexyz: Alphibetical. |
| 18:39 |
thexyz |
I'm not really sure, the language code for Filipino is tl == Tagalog |
| 18:40 |
thexyz |
it's hard to talk about alphabet when there are multiple languages |
| 18:40 |
thexyz |
I'll put it before Français |
| 18:41 |
VanessaE |
john_minetest: what opengl version? |
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| 18:42 |
Jordach |
seems to be a bug in pilzy's build http://i.imgur.com/j9xUV6s.png |
| 18:42 |
Jordach |
anyone else got that |
| 18:42 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: doe me, the solids work, but the liquids do not. |
| 18:43 |
VanessaE |
for me* |
| 18:43 |
Jordach |
it works and it doesnt work |
| 18:43 |
Jordach |
oh wait, that's most of RBA's code |
| 18:43 |
thexyz |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7632 |
| 18:43 |
thexyz |
can me english? |
| 18:43 |
Jordach |
lol |
| 18:44 |
Jordach |
for some reason my eyes never see the other languages section |
| 18:44 |
Jordach |
it's like i block it out for some reason |
| 18:44 |
thexyz |
it was shit |
| 18:45 |
thexyz |
it was okay when forums weren't as popular |
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| 18:53 |
sfan5 |
wheres rba? |
| 18:53 |
OldCoder |
He was here earlier |
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| 18:54 |
Jordach |
!up h4.setun.net 30100 |
| 18:55 |
proller |
Jordach, h4.setun.net:30010 |
| 18:55 |
proller |
10! |
| 18:55 |
MinetestBot |
h4.setun.net:30100 seems to be down |
| 18:55 |
PilzAdam |
Jordach, the fact that Im not here doesnt mean you can call me "pilzy" |
| 18:55 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 18:55 |
* Jordach |
plols |
| 18:55 |
OldCoder |
Zeg9 is concerned that creepers are destructive. Are they? |
| 18:55 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: what do you think of the GTX 660? |
| 18:55 |
Jordach |
they explode when near players |
| 18:56 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, doing shopping i see |
| 18:56 |
Jordach |
try the GTX 680- |
| 18:56 |
Jordach |
-- |
| 18:56 |
VanessaE |
680's way out of my price range. |
| 18:57 |
sfan5 |
!g nvidia gefore gtx 680 |
| 18:57 |
VanessaE |
they're going for about US $390 right now. the 660 is under $200. :) |
| 18:57 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-680 |
| 18:57 |
Calinou |
VanessaE: 660 is good. be sure to buy with a custom cooler (less noise) |
| 18:57 |
* Zeg9 |
has a 660 |
| 18:57 |
Calinou |
buy 2GB, not 3GB, 3GB isn't needed for gaming |
| 18:57 |
* sfan5 |
has a 520M |
| 18:57 |
Calinou |
however, the 660 is little improvement over the 6870 |
| 18:57 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: I had this one in mind: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125443&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-Video%20Card%20-%20Nvidia-_-GIGABYTE-_-14125443&cm_sp=&AID=10440897&PID=3087823&SID= |
| 18:57 |
us_0gb |
Would it be too weird to replace the Minetest oceans with sand? |
| 18:58 |
Calinou |
so the investement isn't that useful unless you plan on selling the 6870 |
| 18:58 |
thexyz |
by a silent one |
| 18:58 |
thexyz |
*buy |
| 18:58 |
Calinou |
that's why I said custom coolers |
| 18:58 |
Calinou |
there is no silent 660, they all have fans |
| 18:58 |
NakedFury |
you get 2 nice games |
| 18:58 |
thexyz |
not that silent |
| 18:59 |
Calinou |
VanessaE: 770 is a renamed 680 by the way |
| 18:59 |
Calinou |
much cheaper |
| 18:59 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: passmark shows it being a bit less than twice as fast. |
| 18:59 |
Calinou |
passmark could be biased, it's a proprietary windows benchmark |
| 18:59 |
VanessaE |
true. |
| 18:59 |
Calinou |
it seems to be quite biased |
| 19:00 |
Calinou |
eg. HD 7970 has 5,195 and GTX 680 has 5,711 |
| 19:00 |
Calinou |
both have the same actual performance in games usually |
| 19:01 |
Calinou |
(sometimes the HD 7970 is faster, sometimes the GTX 680 but it evens out) |
| 19:03 |
PilzAdam |
brb |
| 19:03 |
* VanessaE |
sighs |
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| 19:04 |
Jordach |
dafuq pilzy |
| 19:04 |
thexyz |
oh right, I remembered the model I've got |
| 19:04 |
ShadowNinja |
plol |
| 19:04 |
PilzAdam |
Jordach, hm? |
| 19:04 |
Jordach |
haha it works |
| 19:04 |
thexyz |
GTX670-DC2OG-2GD5 is what I have; it's silent enough for me |
| 19:05 |
Jordach |
my GeForce 6200 is slient |
| 19:05 |
Jordach |
...there's no fan to begin with |
| 19:05 |
Calinou |
most custom 660s are pretty quiet, because the GPU isn't that powerful |
| 19:05 |
Calinou |
that's the upside of mid end cards |
| 19:05 |
thexyz |
but meh, still had to install another one to power XBMC |
| 19:05 |
sfan5 |
Jordach: I'm a huge fan of your graphics card (:D) |
| 19:06 |
thexyz |
and all the silence is gone |
| 19:06 |
PilzAdam |
thexyz, why is your title "Member" and not "Administrator" in the forums? |
| 19:06 |
thexyz |
and I've figured out I've got so lazy I didn't install that new shiny hdd I got a week ago |
| 19:07 |
ShadowNinja |
PilzAdam: -> Set Title. |
| 19:07 |
thexyz |
PilzAdam: because equality |
| 19:07 |
* Jordach |
wants Anti-Droid |
| 19:07 |
kaeza |
stealth mode <.< |
| 19:07 |
thexyz |
I think it's more honest when people think they're talking to another "member" |
| 19:07 |
Jordach |
<thexyz> this isn't even my final form! |
| 19:07 |
sfan5 |
^ plol |
| 19:08 |
thexyz |
to rephrase, it's a bit weird when people talk to you while treating you as "administrator" |
| 19:08 |
* Jordach |
pokes john_minetest with a pm |
| 19:08 |
PilzAdam |
thexyz, I dont like when the staff is hiding |
| 19:09 |
Jordach |
+iyt |
| 19:09 |
Jordach |
-y |
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| 19:09 |
Jordach |
dammit john_minetest |
| 19:09 |
PilzAdam |
at least you are still in the userlist listed as admin |
| 19:09 |
thexyz |
PilzAdam: really? so you don't like this channel too? because OPs are usually not OPs |
| 19:09 |
thexyz |
PilzAdam: that's because I'm not "hiding" |
| 19:10 |
thexyz |
same with forums |
| 19:10 |
Jordach |
-*- thexyz 's stealth mode engaged |
| 19:10 |
PilzAdam |
I would actually prefer if "staff" would be voiced in this channel |
| 19:10 |
thexyz |
then define staff |
| 19:10 |
OldCoder |
What are "staff" though |
| 19:10 |
OldCoder |
Ninja! |
| 19:10 |
PilzAdam |
so people know who will probably know answers to their questions |
| 19:10 |
thexyz |
now this is wrong |
| 19:10 |
* Jordach |
rolls eye |
| 19:10 |
Jordach |
+s |
| 19:10 |
OldCoder |
That is basically saying experienced people |
| 19:10 |
thexyz |
but those people aren't "staff" |
| 19:11 |
PilzAdam |
"staff" is the wrong word then |
| 19:11 |
thexyz |
then what |
| 19:11 |
thexyz |
I'm not exactly sure what's your point |
| 19:11 |
OldCoder |
Useful people? |
| 19:11 |
thexyz |
people who are willing to answer questions? |
| 19:11 |
thexyz |
those could be voiced |
| 19:11 |
OldCoder |
Seems reasonable |
| 19:11 |
PilzAdam |
people who have enough experience to answer many questions |
| 19:12 |
thexyz |
who have enough experience or who are willing to help? |
| 19:12 |
PilzAdam |
both, I guess |
| 19:12 |
thexyz |
I'd vote for 2 |
| 19:12 |
thexyz |
2nd* |
| 19:12 |
thexyz |
because those can also redirect users to appropriate member |
| 19:13 |
PilzAdam |
well, we cant voice someone who comes here for the first time and says "Im willing to answer questions but have no clue what Minetest is" |
| 19:13 |
PilzAdam |
sorry for the exaggeration |
| 19:13 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: http://www.compsource.com/ttechnote.asp?part_no=VCGGTX7702XPB&vid=356&src=PW |
| 19:13 |
thexyz |
indeed |
| 19:13 |
thexyz |
but we can't also voice people who are experienced but always answer like "fuck u rtfm" |
| 19:14 |
PilzAdam |
of course |
| 19:14 |
thexyz |
anyway, I think you should be talking to people who've got enough access to voice people |
| 19:15 |
VanessaE |
is PNY still as good as they used to be? |
| 19:15 |
Calinou |
reference cooler: noisy |
| 19:15 |
PilzAdam |
maybe MinetestBot could give a number of people the ability to voice themselves, if they have time to answer questions |
| 19:15 |
Calinou |
(well, worse-than-reference to be exact) |
| 19:15 |
thexyz |
maybe |
| 19:15 |
Calinou |
referene 770 cooler is ok, but is very rare :P |
| 19:16 |
VanessaE |
I don't mind noise |
| 19:16 |
thexyz |
then we should put a note regarding voice somewhere |
| 19:16 |
thexyz |
in the topic, perhaps |
| 19:16 |
PilzAdam |
yep |
| 19:17 |
thexyz |
ShadowNinja: regarding the issue with your name, have you tried to contact the guy by email? |
| 19:17 |
* Jordach |
still wants 64px avatars |
| 19:17 |
thexyz |
s/name/forum name/ |
| 19:18 |
ShadowNinja |
thexyz: No, I have not. |
| 19:19 |
ShadowNinja |
thexyz: I don't have access to him email, only PMs. |
| 19:19 |
ShadowNinja |
his* |
| 19:20 |
ShadowNinja |
But he hasn't been around for a while, so it may not still be valid. |
| 19:20 |
thexyz |
as a developer you should be able to send a email |
| 19:21 |
ShadowNinja |
thexyz: http://imgur.com/qyLmSZh |
| 19:23 |
thexyz |
well then, send a PM |
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| 19:30 |
ShadowNinja |
PM sent. How long should I wait thexyz? |
| 19:31 |
thexyz |
\inf |
| 19:31 |
thexyz |
sorry |
| 19:31 |
thexyz |
\infty |
| 19:31 |
thexyz |
can't latex |
| 19:31 |
thexyz |
we don't have nickname drop policy |
| 19:32 |
thexyz |
maybe we should have one |
| 19:32 |
ShadowNinja |
Not a drop, just a swap. |
| 19:33 |
thexyz |
"in case your nickname equals ShadowNinja your registration can be dropped after a month of inactivity" |
| 19:33 |
reactor |
Can not allocate memory: ot of swap. |
| 19:33 |
reactor |
s/ot/out/ |
| 19:33 |
ShadowNinja |
thexyz: Is there a way to change your forum email? |
| 19:33 |
thexyz |
I think there is |
| 19:33 |
thexyz |
at least, I was able to |
| 19:34 |
thexyz |
are you going to bruteforce his pass and steal the account or something? |
| 19:34 |
ShadowNinja |
Ah, yes, found it. It was a bit hidden. |
| 19:34 |
ShadowNinja |
? No, of course not. |
| 19:34 |
thexyz |
oh, okay |
| 19:36 |
ShadowNinja |
Just wanted to use SNMT.net |
| 19:40 |
Jordach |
ShadowNinja got ShadowNinja'd |
| 19:40 |
Jordach |
seems legit :D |
| 19:40 |
* EvergreenTree |
is back |
| 19:40 |
ShadowNinja |
? |
| 19:41 |
ShadowNinja |
Refering to prior nick usage? |
| 19:41 |
reactor |
s/fer/ferr/ |
| 19:41 |
EvergreenTree |
No, I was just away for a bit |
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| 19:42 |
thexyz |
http://i.imgur.com/jRHeIsQ.jpg |
| 19:43 |
reactor |
xD |
| 19:43 |
reactor |
Is that real? |
| 19:43 |
thexyz |
http://samogonka.livejournal.com/1127604.html |
| 19:44 |
reactor |
You seem to know Russian. |
| 19:45 |
thexyz |
you don't? |
| 19:45 |
reactor |
I do. |
| 19:45 |
proller |
everybody do. |
| 19:45 |
thexyz |
well, yeah, I do since I live here |
| 19:45 |
thexyz |
+es |
| 19:46 |
reactor |
You're from Russia, too? |
| 19:46 |
reactor |
Cool. |
| 19:47 |
thexyz |
you too? |
| 19:47 |
reactor |
I am. |
| 19:47 |
thexyz |
unsurprising |
| 19:48 |
reactor |
подопытный ÑкончавшихÑÑ Ð¿ÐµÑ€ÐµÐ´Ð¾Ð·Ð¸Ñ€Ð¾Ð²ÐºÐ¾Ð¹ препарат |
| 19:50 |
reactor |
Ð»Ð¸ÑˆÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ Ñна вызванных проблемы мозг |
| 19:51 |
thexyz |
uh |
| 19:52 |
reactor |
john_minetest: you womanized? |
| 19:52 |
reactor |
Oh. Sorry. Your accent. Well, that is not romanised yes. |
| 19:52 |
reactor |
ry speaking in a clearer voice. |
| 19:52 |
reactor |
s/ry/Try/ |
| 19:54 |
thexyz |
insulting people, how typical of you |
| 19:55 |
reactor |
It is not typical. |
| 19:55 |
thexyz |
I'm not sure what those sentences written in cyrillic mean, got brain problems or what? |
| 19:55 |
reactor |
thexyz: so you don't know Russian. |
| 19:55 |
thexyz |
okay |
| 19:55 |
thexyz |
because it'd be so stupid to argue on |
| 19:56 |
reactor |
But how come you live there and don't know Russian? |
| 19:56 |
reactor |
s/th/h/ |
| 19:56 |
thexyz |
hm? I do |
| 19:56 |
reactor |
01:45 < thexyz> well, yeah, I do since I live here |
| 19:57 |
reactor |
Are you trying to confuse me? |
| 19:57 |
thexyz |
sorry, it's pointless to speak to you |
| 19:57 |
reactor |
It is. Because I'm confused as hell now. |
| 19:57 |
thexyz |
23:55 thexyz: I'm not sure what those sentences written in cyrillic mean, got brain problems or what? |
| 19:58 |
reactor |
First that "water glass man" picture. Now talk about rain broblemsp. |
| 19:58 |
reactor |
Pardon. Sprain wwbbbsboblems. |
| 19:59 |
reactor |
Argh. |
| 19:59 |
reactor |
Brain problems. |
| 19:59 |
thexyz |
I see |
| 19:59 |
reactor |
I put these to test you. |
| 19:59 |
reactor |
Whether you knew Russian. |
| 20:02 |
reactor |
john_minetest: sorry. |
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| 20:06 |
thexyz |
did I fail this test? |
| 20:07 |
reactor |
Mmm-hmm. |
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| 20:10 |
reactor |
Would you like to talk about failures? |
| 20:11 |
Jordach |
EvergreenTree, still not regained your nick |
| 20:11 |
Jordach |
even though you (own?) it |
| 20:11 |
EvergreenTree |
No, I forgot to register it |
| 20:11 |
EvergreenTree |
So EvergreenTree is my new nick (registered) |
| 20:11 |
Jordach |
derp |
| 20:11 |
us_0gb |
TeddyPig had his name stolen on IRC as well. |
| 20:11 |
thexyz |
reactor: are you familiar? |
| 20:12 |
Calinou |
the evergreen guy is in ##hardware :> |
| 20:13 |
reactor |
thexyz: depends with what. |
| 20:13 |
thexyz |
I see. I'd prefer not to |
| 20:13 |
mmstick |
Any particular reason why I cannot register on the forums? It states: "Sorry, but your email identified as spam. You can not register on this forum." Are gmail addresses not allowed? |
| 20:14 |
EvergreenTree |
us_0gb, who on earth would use the name TeddyPig except him. :P |
| 20:14 |
Calinou |
:o mmstick, I remember you from phoronix forums |
| 20:14 |
us_0gb |
And he/she doesn't even capitalize it! I think we need to make IRC names case sensitive. |
| 20:14 |
* Calinou |
slaps mmstick with a HD 7950 |
| 20:14 |
mmstick |
Yes that would be me |
| 20:15 |
Jordach |
welcome to your doom |
| 20:15 |
us_0gb |
EvergreenTree: I think the name was taken BECAUSE someone saw him use it. It's the only explanation I have. |
| 20:15 |
us_0gb |
Name envy is a terrible thing. |
| 20:15 |
EvergreenTree |
Bleh Hate people who do that |
| 20:15 |
thexyz |
mmstick: you've got flagged by SFS for some reason |
| 20:15 |
reactor |
thexyz: I'm not sure what you're talking about. |
| 20:16 |
us_0gb |
At least evergreen probably took your name without knowing. |
| 20:16 |
thexyz |
reactor: what exactly is unclear? |
| 20:17 |
reactor |
Nuclear? |
| 20:17 |
thexyz |
mmstick: wait a moment, I'll disable it |
| 20:17 |
reactor |
Nuclear energy is safe when used properly. |
| 20:18 |
thexyz |
mmstick: done |
| 20:18 |
thexyz |
reactor: I don't understand what's wrong with you |
| 20:18 |
thexyz |
sorry |
| 20:18 |
mmstick |
registered |
| 20:18 |
thexyz |
mmstick: sorry for that |
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reactor |
thexyz: nothing is. All systems alright. |
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| 20:22 |
us_0gb |
thexyz: The nuclear reactor's radiation may have scrambled his/her brain a bit. |
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thexyz |
harsh |
| 20:22 |
reactor |
us_0gb: I'm all right, Jack, but keep your hands off my stack! |
| 20:23 |
reactor |
I mean, my program stack. |
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GIT: 4Evergreen4 commited to minetest/minetest_game: Implemented facedir in the nyan cat rainbow 91849c3b4e 2013-11-03T12:30:24-08:00 http://git.io/nbxIIw |
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us_0gb |
Nice. I alaws thought the rainbows should have a facedir, but I didn't think that would get pulled. |
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EvergreenTree |
^.^ |
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EvergreenTree |
*achievement get - first merged pull request |
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us_0gb |
Congratulations! |
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* Calinou |
got that achievement about 1 year ago |
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Peacock |
weird, why is chanserv telling me about other language channels? |
| 20:43 |
us_0gb |
Peacock: ChanServ thought you might be interested. |
| 20:44 |
Peacock |
didnt know chanserv could serve topics lol |
| 20:44 |
Peacock |
either way this place is hardly business enough to be worth splitting in 4 |
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thexyz |
splitting? |
| 20:44 |
Peacock |
*busy not business lol |
| 20:44 |
thexyz |
how's that splitting |
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ShadowNinja |
Peacock: The other channels have existed for a while. |
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ShadowNinja |
Peacock: Only the ENTRYMSG is new. |
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Peacock |
weird that chanserv is telling me about them now tho |
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OldCoder |
Peacock, it was added earlier based on consensus |
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PilzAdam |
maybe chanserv detected that you dont speak english good enough |
| 20:46 |
Peacock |
better than most native english speakers lol |
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Peacock |
hopefully they're more lively than this place on most days lol |
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sfan5 |
good night everyone |
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us_0gb |
Good night, sfan5. |
| 20:48 |
us_0gb |
I'd have to agree that you type better than most native speakers. It's sad how badly the natives type. |
| 20:48 |
Peacock |
you should see my written french tho., pretty bad lol |
| 20:48 |
us_0gb |
It makes me sad to call myself a native ... |
| 20:49 |
Peacock |
well i already understand spoken american english better than english english |
| 20:49 |
Peacock |
tho irish or scottish films i absolutely must have subtitles |
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Peacock |
hell even france french is nothing like north american french lol |
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us_0gb |
Natural languages .... bah! They evolve like actual organisms. And that includes divergence. |
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thexyz |
PilzAdam: says guy without ' on keyboard |
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JackGruff |
I say we chose one English dialect and stick with it. Except American. |
| 20:55 |
Peacock |
german keyboards don't have singlequotes? must suck for programming lol |
| 20:55 |
PilzAdam |
I have, I just dont use it |
| 20:56 |
Peacock |
should see the differences between old english - middle english - modern english, lol |
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ShadowNinja |
Peacock: A joke. |
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thexyz |
PilzAdam: why? |
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PilzAdam |
its hard to reach |
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thexyz |
is being illiterate considered cool now? |
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thexyz |
oh, I see |
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TheLastProject |
us_0gb: With that attitude, I'm surprised I'm not seeing you in #lojban :P |
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JackGruff |
it's "unlliterate", thexyz |
| 20:59 |
Peacock |
thats nonplus good JackGruff, you are now unperson XD |
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us_0gb |
TheLastProject: I had no idea Lojban existed .... That's just awesome! |
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thexyz |
JackGruff: my ungood |
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Peacock |
lol |
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TheLastProject |
us_0gb: .u'i |
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us_0gb |
TheLastProject: What is ".u'i"? Google only tells me stuff about user interfaces when I ask it. |
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TheLastProject |
us_0gb: It's lojban. To simplify it a lot, it's basically "lol" |
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us_0gb |
I don't know that language yet. But learning it is now on my list of things to do. |
| 21:03 |
us_0gb |
Too bad the list starts with catching up on homework. |
| 21:04 |
TheLastProject |
Do your homework first :P |
| 21:04 |
us_0gb |
Yeah, exactly and unfortunately. |
| 21:04 |
TheLastProject |
But yeah, #lojban and #ckule are two lojban channels, the second one being to learn more. May be interesting for you to join them :P |
| 21:06 |
us_0gb |
I don't know where Lojban ranks compared to C either. I want to learn that as well. And I have a few books I want to read. Plus a 32767-node Minetest game to build. |
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MinetestBot |
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dafull97 |
Hey all |
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Calinou |
hi |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Fix typo 5fbc39a76c 2013-11-03T13:33:06-08:00 http://git.io/5kvHeg |
| 21:51 |
dafull97 |
question all, on a 512mb raspberry pi.... |
| 21:51 |
dafull97 |
what is the most people it could host at a time? |
| 21:52 |
Peacock |
dunno, around 15ppl my dualcore starts to rush lol |
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Peacock |
3gs of ram |
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dafull97 |
so, rush meaning stressing? |
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dafull97 |
Peacock? ^ |
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Peacock |
oups sorry yeah |
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Peacock |
i think they even lowered the default max players in conf |
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Peacock |
or at least, talked about it |
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GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix invalid usage of texture->getSize() where actually texture->getOriginalSize() was meant 68bbdf1b2c 2013-11-03T14:00:54-08:00 http://git.io/l_MqWw |
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dafull97 |
http://hubcitylabs.org/unlocking-your-new-raspberry-pis-512mb-of-memory/ |
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dafull97 |
would that help server performance? ^ peacock |
| 22:15 |
troller |
stop using slowberry shit! http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G137510300620 |
| 22:16 |
troller |
ok, http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G135341370451 |
| 22:16 |
troller |
15x faster than pi |
| 22:18 |
dafull97 |
troller quit trolling |
| 22:18 |
troller |
its not trolling |
| 22:20 |
dafull97 |
ok, to all... what is good thing like raspberry pi that is lower than $100? P.S. - I nned to be able host minetest server on |
| 22:20 |
dafull97 |
peacock want your input =) ^^ |
| 22:21 |
Peacock |
hm, i dont have a raspberri pi, just a netbook :/ |
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dafull97 |
what is the RAM for the, both |
| 22:21 |
dafull97 |
them* |
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troller |
dafull97, odroid have 2g |
| 22:22 |
dafull97 |
i have a Thinkpad with windows 8 it is good |
| 22:24 |
dafull97 |
john_minetest, what is the RAM for the, both |
| 22:25 |
Peacock |
not here |
| 22:25 |
Peacock |
tablets are obscenely more expensive than netbooks with 1/4 of the capacity |
| 22:26 |
Peacock |
for 200$ i got a netbook with 1gig ram and 250gb storage |
| 22:26 |
Peacock |
didn't have to pay for a seperate keyboard either lol |
| 22:27 |
dafull97 |
Can you upgrade ram in Raspberry pi? |
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dafull97 |
Peacock, john_minetest ^^ |
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EvergreenTree |
Peacock, I got a laptop for ~199$ with 2gig of ram and ~80gig hard drive (not much space I know) |
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Peacock |
well i wouldnt mind an extra gig of ram but the netbook is mostly good for portable movies and webbrowsing for me |
| 22:31 |
Peacock |
last netbook had 160gb and i thought that was small |
| 22:32 |
Peacock |
(when you count how many movies you can fit on that) |
| 22:32 |
EvergreenTree |
That laptop is actually my main computer. :P |
| 22:32 |
EvergreenTree |
I'm building a desktop soon though |
| 22:33 |
EvergreenTree |
I did get 1 more gigabyte of ram for it, and a 1tb external hard drive, but that's it |
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EvergreenTree |
I have a part list that will go for around 600 dollars that has 8gb of ram, an intel core i3 CPU, and a 1tb hard drive |
| 22:37 |
EvergreenTree |
desktop |
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EvergreenTree |
Just a list though, not built yet |
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EvergreenTree |
Any better suggestions? I'm open to any (the CPU should be less then 130 USD though) |
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VanessaE |
is there a way, with worldedit, to simulate digging by hand all the nodes in the selected area? |
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EvergreenTree |
john_minetest, what amd cpu exactly? |
| 22:43 |
EvergreenTree |
170 is too much for me. |
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EvergreenTree |
Okay, thank you for mentioning it |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Use a doT.js template for the serverlist 50ea8601d5 2013-11-03T14:47:16-08:00 http://git.io/d5q4Pw |
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dafull97 |
Can you upgrade ram in Raspberry pi? @Peacock, john_minetest, and to all that know ^^ |
| 22:52 |
ShadowNinja |
dafull97: No, you can't. |
| 22:52 |
ShadowNinja |
dafull97: That is you can't change it, you can by versions with more RAM built in. |
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ShadowNinja |
+u |
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dafull97 |
ShadowNinja, what about i cant find any with more than 512mb |
| 23:04 |
ShadowNinja |
dafull97: There are none with more than 512mb AFAIK. |
| 23:04 |
ShadowNinja |
dafull97: If you want more try a differen't board, eg, the beaglebone. |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Only show servers with at least master.min_clients clients 4c2687775f 2013-11-03T15:02:07-08:00 http://git.io/2oeCvQ |
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us_0gb |
Um. Won't that prevent zero-client servers from getting users, as they won't show up on the list to choose? |
| 23:10 |
Menche |
so if you don't have anyone on your server, you never will because they won't be able to find your server? |
| 23:10 |
us_0gb |
Exactly. |
| 23:10 |
Menche |
and because nobody checks the servers forum anymore now that the list is built into the client. |
| 23:10 |
us_0gb |
Right. |
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PilzAdam |
bye |
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* us_0gb |
doesn't like that "feature" |
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VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: um, that seems like a bad idea... |
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EvergreenTree |
If I overwrite some things in minetest_game, what should the license be? |
| 23:13 |
VanessaE |
unless of course the minimum is set to -1 by default :P |
| 23:13 |
us_0gb |
The same as Minetest_game: GNU LGPLv2.1. |
| 23:13 |
us_0gb |
Add an "or later" to that. |
| 23:15 |
ShadowNinja |
us_0gb, VanessaE: That is not set in the default serverlist(s). |
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us_0gb |
So it's a feature to block new servers from getting users if listed on non-default server lists? |
| 23:16 |
us_0gb |
Or servers that just came back up from being backed up. |
| 23:16 |
Menche |
having trouble thinking of a case where that would be useful |
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us_0gb |
Or even just detrimental. |
| 23:16 |
us_0gb |
*undetrimental |
| 23:17 |
ShadowNinja |
It is for unofficial serverlists to only show servers with clients. In any case it was in the previous version of the server list. |
| 23:17 |
dafull97 |
ShadowNinja, Thanks... sorry took so long reply was looking at boards... what about this one -> https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A20/A20-OLinuXino-MICRO/open-source-hardware |
| 23:18 |
VanessaE |
dafull97: olimex is good, but dorkbot is better |
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ShadowNinja |
dafull97: I don't know much about this. |
| 23:19 |
VanessaE |
oh, looking at premade stuff eh |
| 23:19 |
dafull97 |
yea, haha |
| 23:20 |
VanessaE |
for some reason, I thought you were looking at getting your own stuff made :) |
| 23:20 |
VanessaE |
dafull97: Unless olimex has improved since the last time I used them, dorkbot has better design rules and no restrictions on board shapes. |
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BlockMen |
bye everyone |
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VanessaE |
cya BlockMen |
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NekoGloop |
http://i.imgur.com/OSZXaaB.png |
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dafull97 |
VanessaE, im looking at things like Raspberry pi, but more ram and good for Minetest/Minecraft Server like maybe 10-15 people at a time or more |
| 23:21 |
VanessaE |
dammit I didn't mean to paste that last part :P |
| 23:23 |
dafull97 |
VanessaE, any ideas ? ^^ |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Add a "More..." link when the serverlist is filtered 0fd29b7e09 2013-11-03T15:21:53-08:00 http://git.io/px7I7g |
| 23:23 |
ShadowNinja |
us_0gb, Menche, VanessaE: ^ Batter? |
| 23:23 |
us_0gb |
ShadowBot: MUCH better. Thank you! |
| 23:24 |
VanessaE |
dafull97: how about a beagleboard? I hear those are pretty good |
| 23:24 |
dafull97 |
yea, i looked |
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VanessaE |
or what's that one Intel was working on? |
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VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: yeah, that seems good to me. |
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dafull97 |
VanessaE, do you have any thing like these? |
| 23:26 |
VanessaE |
dafull97: nope |
| 23:27 |
VanessaE |
oh yeah, the Minnowborad |
| 23:27 |
VanessaE |
er Minnowboard. |
| 23:27 |
VanessaE |
but at $200, you may as well use a tablet or low-end PC. |
| 23:27 |
dafull97 |
yes, http://beagleboard.org/Products/BeagleBoard |
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VanessaE |
that was the Intel one I was talking about |
| 23:28 |
dafull97 |
^^ how many people would be able be on at a time in minetest server? |
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dafull97 |
on that link |
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VanessaE |
if you keep the server very light weight, maybe 5 or so |
| 23:30 |
VanessaE |
hard to say. |
| 23:30 |
VanessaE |
it might handle 50, or 2. |
| 23:31 |
VanessaE |
just depends on what mods you run |
| 23:33 |
dafull97 |
ok, thanks... |
| 23:35 |
dafull97 |
@ VanessaE, ShadowNinja, is it possible at all to connect to boards together and run 1 server off the two and they team up to take the load? sorry if it is a stupid qustion i always wondered about that haha |
| 23:36 |
dafull97 |
and any that can awnswer |
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VanessaE |
nope. |
| 23:36 |
VanessaE |
that requires clustering |
| 23:36 |
dafull97 |
clustering, let me google that haha |
| 23:37 |
VanessaE |
you might have a really *really* slim chance of getting Beowulf or ...whatever the native Linux one is, I forget... running, but that won't help performance much |
| 23:37 |
VanessaE |
most of the heavy stuff is still in a single thread. |
| 23:37 |
VanessaE |
clustering == multi-processing but spread across multiple computers instead of CPU cores. |
| 23:38 |
dafull97 |
ok, how would i cluster? Lol... as you can tell i am really new to hardware stuff |
| 23:38 |
VanessaE |
*looks it up* |
| 23:38 |
VanessaE |
hm, guess there are several solutions. |
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* dafull97 |
is too |
| 23:39 |
VanessaE |
clustering normally only requires a reliable network between two or more machines. ethernet is sufficient for say 2 to 4 machines, anything faster and you better start thinking about other ways. |
| 23:39 |
VanessaE |
the biggest clusters use SCSI-like solutions for their network |
| 23:41 |
VanessaE |
back in the old days, we used to use IEC serial or IEEE-488 to network multiple C64's together :-) |
| 23:42 |
dafull97 |
nice, how would i get them to interact like to host a single server |
| 23:42 |
dafull97 |
? |
| 23:42 |
VanessaE |
you need a clustering program for that - basically a kernel compiled with that feature in mind |
| 23:42 |
VanessaE |
I wouldn't bother, honestly. |
| 23:43 |
VanessaE |
it's too much of a pain in the ass for so little gain at this end of the hardware spectru,m |
| 23:43 |
VanessaE |
you're better off with a low-end PC |
| 23:43 |
VanessaE |
-, |
| 23:43 |
dafull97 |
oh i had an idea to get 2 512mb ram boards and cluster together haha |
| 23:43 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 23:44 |
VanessaE |
http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2013/07/19/secret-recipe-for-raspberry-pi-server-cluster-unleashed/ |
| 23:44 |
VanessaE |
here's an article on clustering with the RPi |
| 23:44 |
dafull97 |
would save power and prob perform better than 1 1gb ram one, and thanks |
| 23:44 |
VanessaE |
complete with a LEGO cluster frame :D |
| 23:44 |
dafull97 |
looks cool =D |
| 23:45 |
VanessaE |
saw an old article on hackaday some days ago, some guy did the same thing with a stack of like 20 Apple II boards. |
| 23:45 |
dafull97 |
http://hubcitylabs.org/unlocking-your-new-raspberry-pis-512mb-of-memory/ and would this help with servers? |
| 23:45 |
VanessaE |
he didn't exactly run modern mainstream apps on it though :P |
| 23:46 |
dafull97 |
ohh, :/ look at the article above :) |
| 23:46 |
VanessaE |
it might, I don't know enough about the RPi to say for sure |
| 23:46 |
dafull97 |
ok... and would raspberry pi be better than a https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A20/A20-OLinuXino-MICRO/open-source-hardware |
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* dafull97 |
is Getting Ideas =D |
| 23:47 |
VanessaE |
hmm.. |
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* VanessaE |
reads |
| 23:48 |
dafull97 |
considering it is open source? |
| 23:49 |
dafull97 |
and i will make swap file i have a 16gb sd card for it haha |
| 23:49 |
VanessaE |
I would guess that Olimex board would be a fair bit faster. |
| 23:49 |
dafull97 |
cheaper also |
| 23:50 |
dafull97 |
than any other 1gb rams i found |
| 23:50 |
dafull97 |
raspberry 512mb is a tad cheaper than this |
| 23:50 |
dafull97 |
thanks VanessaE... and could you help me with hardware and networking |
| 23:51 |
VanessaE |
on those devices, I would be of limited help since I've never used one |
| 23:51 |
VanessaE |
hell I don't even have an Arduino :P |
| 23:51 |
dafull97 |
sorry i am flooding chat so bad guys one last question, what happend to the low end hardware server?? "mcbride.homelinux.net" |
| 23:52 |
dafull97 |
and VanessaE dont feel bad neither do i and i am talking about hardware and networking over all =D |
| 23:53 |
VanessaE |
oh ok |
| 23:53 |
VanessaE |
I could try :) |
| 23:54 |
VanessaE |
(and, what flood? the channel's usually dead about this time anyway) |
| 23:54 |
ShadowNinja |
dafull97: Megf has a RPi server. |
| 23:55 |
dafull97 |
What happend to low end server? and thanks VanessaE.... ShadowNinja does he have Email? |
| 23:55 |
dafull97 |
if so message me if you are willing to give it out |
| 23:55 |
dafull97 |
just to talk to him about it |
| 23:56 |
ShadowNinja |
dafull97: Megaf's E-mail? You will have to ask him. |
| 23:56 |
dafull97 |
ok, i didnt know if you knew him well and had email in hand... when is he usally on his server or irc? |
