| Time |
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| 00:06 |
Peacock |
i wish the game had a soft restart lol after 2 hours im already sick of modding :P |
| 00:06 |
dumdidum |
hello, i just compiled the minetest stable-0.4 branch. when executing minetest i get the message:Could not load font because the file does not exist: |
| 00:07 |
dumdidum |
01:00:39: ERROR[main]: WARNING: Font file was not found. Using default font. |
| 00:07 |
dumdidum |
what to do? |
| 00:07 |
VanessaE |
don't run -stable :P |
| 00:08 |
kaeza |
^ |
| 00:08 |
us{0gb |
Stable works great. I don't know what these two are talking about. |
| 00:09 |
us{0gb |
I don't know why you'd get a font error though. |
| 00:09 |
us{0gb |
What system? |
| 00:09 |
VanessaE |
us{0gb: stable doesn't work with anything newer than a few weeks ago git, though the opposite may be true |
| 00:09 |
dumdidum |
linux |
| 00:09 |
us{0gb |
Peacock: What do you mean? |
| 00:09 |
Megaf |
folks, lets play on my Raspberry Pi Minimal server. =) https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7603 |
| 00:09 |
Megaf |
with 256 MB of ram only |
| 00:09 |
Peacock |
ogb, well when i do php shit for clients, all i have to do is hit refresh |
| 00:09 |
VanessaE |
us{0gb: a command to re-initialize the Lua environment |
| 00:10 |
dumdidum |
the dev version works ... |
| 00:10 |
VanessaE |
e.g. a way to restart the "server" process without a full exit+restart of the front-end |
| 00:10 |
Peacock |
but for modding, to test any bit of code or new setting, i have to shutdown, restart the server constantly |
| 00:10 |
dumdidum |
but the unstable technic mod is, well, very unstable ... |
| 00:10 |
us{0gb |
I have more trouble with the dev versions than I ever do with stable. |
| 00:10 |
Menche |
it was worse when the memory used by textures wasn't freed |
| 00:10 |
us{0gb |
Mixing stable with unstable isn't going to work though. |
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| 00:11 |
VanessaE |
well either way stable is badly outdated now |
| 00:11 |
VanessaE |
what was it, 5 months ago? |
| 00:11 |
Peacock |
yeah but people will keep using stable because it implies stability :P we just need 0.4.7 to be finalized |
| 00:12 |
Peacock |
*0.4.8 |
| 00:12 |
us{0gb |
Latest stable, by definition, is not outdated. You're just using a future version. |
| 00:12 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 00:12 |
kaeza |
stable is no more stable than dev |
| 00:12 |
VanessaE |
us{0gb: give it up, you lost this one :) |
| 00:12 |
kaeza |
in fact, it may be possible that dev is way more stable than stable |
| 00:12 |
VanessaE |
-stable can't use sokomine's windmills or >4k nodes! |
| 00:12 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 00:12 |
Peacock |
shit keeps changing in dev, i wouldn't base a server on it necessarily |
| 00:13 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: not really |
| 00:13 |
VanessaE |
-dev is actually quite stable in that regard |
| 00:13 |
Peacock |
well i dont need 4K nodes, i still need this thing to work on the p4 |
| 00:13 |
Peacock |
otherwise we might as well drop the "works on old hardware" moniker |
| 00:13 |
VanessaE |
shit keeps *improving* in -dev, but rare is the time that something changes enough to actually break stuff |
| 00:13 |
us{0gb |
Stable may be less stable. I'm not arguing that. I'm only saying that, by definition, latest stable is the CURRENT version. THe current version is not out dated. |
| 00:14 |
VanessaE |
us{0gb: it's not considered 'current' anymore, even by the dev team |
| 00:14 |
Peacock |
well then they should get to it and FF 0.4.8 |
| 00:14 |
Peacock |
the problem isn't people using stable, is stable itself being old, that's not the user's fault |
| 00:15 |
pitriss |
Peacock: on p3 xeon, with reached 4k nodes limit it still is playable by 3 ppl at the same time without any problems (technic & mesecon mods included) |
| 00:15 |
Menche |
could they postpone some of 0.4.8's goals to 0.4.9, just to get it out sooner? |
| 00:15 |
Menche |
if even the devs think stable's outdated |
| 00:15 |
Peacock |
there was indeed an issue about milestones changing :P |
| 00:15 |
kaeza |
Menche, AFAIK, 0.4.8 will be out soonâ„¢(for real this time) |
| 00:15 |
VanessaE |
actually, if I guess it right, 0.4.8-stable release is imminent |
| 00:15 |
Menche |
lol |
| 00:16 |
us{0gb |
Semantically, it is the current version as long as they continue to call it the latest version, regardless of what they consider it. I can consider the sky to be a lovely shade of hazel, but that doesn't make it true. |
| 00:16 |
Menche |
that's been in the channel title for forever |
| 00:16 |
VanessaE |
from the latest flurry of activity, it may be coming out fairly soon |
| 00:16 |
us{0gb |
*"as long as they continue to call it the latest [stable] version" |
| 00:16 |
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| 00:16 |
Peacock |
yeah i think c55 added core devs just to get the bloody thing finished lol |
| 00:16 |
VanessaE |
sorta |
| 00:16 |
Menche |
or just wrap up what's there and call it 0.4.7.1 :P |
| 00:16 |
VanessaE |
more to the point, because development has slowed down so much lately |
| 00:17 |
pitriss |
Menche: lol great idea:D |
| 00:17 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 00:17 |
Menche |
chromium style version numbering |
| 00:17 |
Peacock |
well, slowed down, or stalled on certain features |
| 00:18 |
Peacock |
and my impression is there's lots of disagreements over pulls |
| 00:18 |
Vazon |
VanessaE i need a bit of help and i know you for afact run Linux cuase you have helped me before but im on a new computer with a old windows operation (windows xp) and im tring to get Ubuntu on it but im not doing something right could you piont mye in the right direction plz |
| 00:18 |
us{0gb |
Hasn't there always been a lot of disagreement over pulls? |
| 00:19 |
Peacock |
judging from the logs it's worse lately :P |
| 00:19 |
VanessaE |
us{0gb: pretty much |
| 00:19 |
Miner_48er |
Vazon what have you done so far? |
| 00:19 |
VanessaE |
though it seems to have improved mildly. |
| 00:19 |
Miner_48er |
changed your nick back? |
| 00:19 |
VanessaE |
Vazon: what help do you need? |
| 00:20 |
Vazon |
o hey Miner XD nothing at all its a im just rying to install it thats it yes i have Miner |
| 00:20 |
Vazon |
how to install Ubuntu over windows xp VanessaE |
| 00:20 |
VanessaE |
I can't help you with that. |
| 00:20 |
VanessaE |
I don't have any current windows experience |
| 00:20 |
us{0gb |
If I had the time to learn C++ at the moment, I'd probably fork. I bet we could come up with a lot of similar cool games. |
| 00:21 |
Vazon |
hm ok |
| 00:21 |
Miner_48er |
Vazon which way do you want to install it? |
| 00:21 |
kaeza |
Vazon, why not dual-boot? |
| 00:21 |
VanessaE |
now if you mean "over" as in "to replace", then that's easy |
| 00:21 |
pitriss |
Vazon: put that cd into drive, boot it and click install:D |
| 00:21 |
Peacock |
ogb talk to rba about that |
| 00:21 |
VanessaE |
just make a backup and tell Ubuntu to "erase" windows. |
| 00:22 |
Vazon |
yes VanessaE |
| 00:22 |
Vazon |
thats what i ment sorry for not being clear |
| 00:22 |
us{0gb |
Peacock: Is RealBadAngel forking? |
| 00:22 |
Peacock |
no but last i heard they're not interested in his textured sun and moon, i think it's good |
| 00:22 |
VanessaE |
yeah, for that, you just need to boot with the ubuntu disc (or USB), "Install Ubuntu", and when it asks you if yoiu want to install, erase, do something else, etc. just tell it to erase. |
| 00:22 |
Vazon |
make a back up? aorry this computer is older tahn im used to so i have no idea how |
| 00:23 |
VanessaE |
that's one of the first questions it will ask you, after you select your language |
| 00:23 |
VanessaE |
a backup of your personal files, maps, worlds, music, documents, etc. |
| 00:23 |
Peacock |
and hell people keep asking me privately to do it and i dont know jack about cpp lol |
| 00:23 |
Vazon |
Ubuntu disc? last time i just downloaded it from thewebsite |
| 00:23 |
VanessaE |
backups == copy your files to a thumbdrive. |
| 00:23 |
VanessaE |
ubuntu needs to be burned to a DVD, CD, or USB thumb drive |
| 00:24 |
VanessaE |
to do it right |
| 00:24 |
Vazon |
ok |
| 00:24 |
us{0gb |
Peacock: I think the textured sun and mood are a great idea, assuming you can turn it off for some games, and use the old version. The default textures he included might be close enough to that. |
| 00:24 |
Vazon |
can wemake a private chat VanessaE so we arent doing this on chat |
| 00:24 |
VanessaE |
the proper way to it is to get the ISO file of Ubuntu, burn it to CD or DVD or write it to USB thumbdrive as a "disc image" |
| 00:24 |
Peacock |
well like i always say, options are good, more options is better than fewer options |
| 00:24 |
VanessaE |
no |
| 00:25 |
us{0gb |
Peacock: I agree! But certain developers here do not. |
| 00:25 |
VanessaE |
more options is always better! |
| 00:25 |
dumdidum |
another question. where can i see the preprocessor variables set by the build of minetest? |
| 00:25 |
VanessaE |
(as long as they're easy to find and not confusing or poorly laid otu) |
| 00:25 |
VanessaE |
out*) |
| 00:26 |
Peacock |
so you make the textured sun/moon thing an API function, and if it's not called or defined, you use the default stuff, nothing is taken away |
| 00:26 |
us{0gb |
Right. |
| 00:26 |
VanessaE |
actually it's even easier. |
| 00:26 |
Peacock |
the only people who don't like more options are those with tunnel-vision lol |
| 00:26 |
VanessaE |
you just supply the appropriate images in your favorite texture pack. |
| 00:26 |
VanessaE |
that's it. |
| 00:27 |
VanessaE |
that's how it works with the current pull request. |
| 00:27 |
Peacock |
id still rather an api function, cuz in my mind, it could be expanded to define multiple sattelites, different sizes and speeds |
| 00:27 |
VanessaE |
sun.png, moon.png, and if you want to include them, a pair of tint maps. |
| 00:27 |
VanessaE |
tone maps* |
| 00:28 |
Peacock |
well either way, just having it would be a start, i hate the default sun/moon lol |
| 00:28 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 00:28 |
Peacock |
i dont care that it has multiple shades at once, they're still ugly IMO lol |
| 00:28 |
Peacock |
id rather use real textures |
| 00:28 |
VanessaE |
but c55 doesn't like the current implementation because you can't tint different parts of the sun and moon separately. |
| 00:29 |
us{0gb |
A guy on the other line that you probably have never heard of, hexafraction, was framed for something Minetest-related. I'd prefer not to say what. He wants to know if you hate him. Have you people even heard of him, and if so, are you upset with him? |
| 00:29 |
VanessaE |
e.g. the sun's corona can't be tinted separately from the photosphere itself. |
| 00:29 |
Vazon |
ok VanessaE i have a thumb drive in and ready to install it to thedrive what do i before puting it in the drive |
| 00:29 |
VanessaE |
if who hates him |
| 00:29 |
VanessaE |
> |
| 00:29 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 00:29 |
Peacock |
so im guessing he put alot of time into multiple tints and probably resents that people would still rather use textures? |
| 00:29 |
VanessaE |
I don't even know the name/. |
| 00:30 |
Peacock |
and who's hexafraction? lol |
| 00:30 |
us{0gb |
VanessaE: "Half the people on #minetest." |
| 00:30 |
Peacock |
what other names has he used? |
| 00:30 |
VanessaE |
Vazon: you need to use an image writer program to write the file to the thumbdrive. can you boot into linux in any fashion at all right now? |
| 00:30 |
VanessaE |
us{0gb: I don't recognize that name at all. |
| 00:30 |
us{0gb |
Peacock: The name "hexafraction" is the one that was framed, I'm told. |
| 00:30 |
Vazon |
no not on this computer |
| 00:30 |
Menche |
think i heard the name in reference to ddos'ing, don't know any other details |
| 00:30 |
Vazon |
on my labtop i can |
| 00:31 |
Peacock |
DDOS'ing what? |
| 00:31 |
Menche |
i think minetest servers or something |
| 00:31 |
Peacock |
and DDOS'ing seems to be a weapon of choice for freetards, so i dont know why he'd be hated for that |
| 00:31 |
Menche |
don't remember any other details |
| 00:32 |
us{0gb |
Peacock: Yeah that was it. Another user stole his user name and DDoSed some people, myself included. |
| 00:32 |
Peacock |
but why would the person need a username to DDOS at all? |
| 00:33 |
VanessaE |
Vazon: ok, go to the laptop. boot linux. download the linux image to there. use 'dd' to burn it to the USB thumb drive. |
| 00:33 |
Vazon |
ok hold on |
| 00:33 |
us{0gb |
The user name was used to frame/impersonate him. |
| 00:33 |
us{0gb |
THat's all that was needed. Blame. |
| 00:33 |
pitriss |
us{0gb: hehe I don't know him, but yes I'm upset with him.. ..just because I'm old grumpy fart:D |
| 00:33 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 00:34 |
Peacock |
so if the person is innocent, why does he give a shit? something doesn't make sense here |
| 00:34 |
Peacock |
from the way they're acting, i'd say he probably did do it yes, and wants forgiveness |
| 00:35 |
us{0gb |
He cares about his reputation maybe? I don't know. He just found out about the indecent today, and it has him in knots. |
| 00:35 |
Peacock |
if i was accused of doing some shit I didn't do, i wouldn't be afraid to show my face |
| 00:35 |
Vazon |
ok im on linux on my laptop nowwhere do i find this image |
| 00:36 |
us{0gb |
If someone comes in here as "0gb-us", it isn't me. Just saying. |
| 00:36 |
us{0gb |
*"us-0gb" |
| 00:36 |
us{0gb |
Vazon: What image do you need? |
| 00:36 |
Peacock |
hell i could write a shitton of bad mods and put someone elses name on it, it wouldn't make it theirs lol |
| 00:37 |
Vazon |
this if for installing ubunto |
| 00:37 |
us{0gb |
Peacock: I saw someone do that once. |
| 00:37 |
us{0gb |
I'll find the image. Hold on. |
| 00:37 |
Vazon |
ok |
| 00:38 |
us{0gb |
Vazon: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop Choose an image there. I'd recommend 12.04, VanessaE would probably recommend 13.10. It's really up to you. |
| 00:39 |
Vazon |
i us 12.04 in my laptop and that is the one i want |
| 00:39 |
VanessaE |
I'm running 13.10 now. |
| 00:39 |
us{0gb |
VanessaE: I was almost certain that was the case. |
| 00:39 |
VanessaE |
(I got pissed and wiped debian from my machine yesterday, with extreme prejudice) |
| 00:39 |
VanessaE |
(or day before, whenever it was. I don't pay attention :P ) |
| 00:39 |
us{0gb |
VanessaE: I thought there was a chance you were still on 13.04, but I knew you didn't use 12.04. |
| 00:40 |
Menche |
what's wrong with debian? |
| 00:40 |
Megaf |
off, nobody enthusiastic about the city im building on my raspberry pi... megaf.no-ip.info port 30001 |
| 00:40 |
us{0gb |
Debian wouldn't let her install something. |
| 00:40 |
Megaf |
Debian here |
| 00:41 |
Megaf |
works fine |
| 00:41 |
us{0gb |
Megaf: If you want, I can stop by for a while, but I have to get back to homework soon. |
| 00:41 |
pitriss |
Megaf: same here |
| 00:41 |
VanessaE |
Menche: couldn't install google earth, for no love or money |
| 00:41 |
VanessaE |
(turns out 13.10 was almost as problematic, but only *almost*) |
| 00:41 |
us{0gb |
I liked Debian a lot, aside from the lack of drivers. BUt now I'm on Trisquel, and I'm back to not having the drivers I want. |
| 00:42 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 00:42 |
Peacock |
try mint or crunchbang |
| 00:42 |
us{0gb |
Yeah. It happens. |
| 00:42 |
Peacock |
or archbang if you're feeling adventurous |
| 00:42 |
Megaf |
us{0gb, Debian 7 and Sid works well on my MacBook Pro and on my girlfriends SAMSUNG laptop, so works well on my grandmas PC |
| 00:42 |
Menche |
don't see google earth in the debian repos |
| 00:42 |
Menche |
it must not exist |
| 00:42 |
Peacock |
arch needs it's own ubuntu-esque deriv |
| 00:42 |
us{0gb |
Mint and Crunchbang aren't really my thing. I'll stick with Trisquel for now. |
| 00:43 |
Megaf |
and yes, I like you to make a quick visit on my rpis server to tell me how does it feels |
| 00:43 |
kaeza |
I don't understand people using something "more free", just to be restricted in other ways |
| 00:43 |
Peacock |
i could never use trisquell or debian, i dont like a bunch of dev telling me what software i can and can't have easy access to |
| 00:43 |
Evergreen |
Meh, anything with xfce, I don't really care |
| 00:43 |
Evergreen |
*anything that works with |
| 00:43 |
Peacock |
kaeza + 10 |
| 00:44 |
us{0gb |
I like Xfce too. |
| 00:44 |
Peacock |
though eventually i will have to try slackware |
| 00:44 |
Menche |
how does debian tell you what software you can't have? |
| 00:44 |
Peacock |
i keep hearing good things about it and it's the only one i havent tried |
| 00:44 |
us{0gb |
Menche: It just was incompatible, I think. |
| 00:44 |
Peacock |
menche, one example is blender in debian repos not having collada plugin |
| 00:45 |
Peacock |
blender from blender website does |
| 00:46 |
Peacock |
and when i tried looking up the related issue/bug, it was closed because the collada removal was a political thing |
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| 00:46 |
Vazon |
ok better |
| 00:47 |
Peacock |
the only reason i dont still use archbang is i was sick of updates leading to breakage leading to a wasted evening of reinstalling the OS |
| 00:47 |
Menche |
i haven't had that problem with stock Arch; that must be an archbang specific thing |
| 00:47 |
Peacock |
and the pacman/aur thing drove me nuts too when packer stopped working |
| 00:47 |
Menche |
yaourt! |
| 00:47 |
Vazon |
VanessaE can you plz start that that chat back plz i cant ... Window just sticks i hate it now that i have used linux for 2 months |
| 00:48 |
Peacock |
yeah except you can't get yaourt through pacman lol |
| 00:48 |
Menche |
so? |
| 00:48 |
Menche |
just dl the tarball, extract, and makepkg |
| 00:48 |
VanessaE |
it only took me about 2 hours to completely wipe, re-install, re-populate, and re-configure my desktop |
| 00:48 |
Peacock |
and i dont want to learn to fuck around with PKGBUILDs lol, im living in 2013 |
| 00:48 |
kaeza |
yaoiurt looks like an interesting name :P |
| 00:48 |
Menche |
...you don't have to learn about PKGBUILDS, lol |
| 00:48 |
Menche |
just how to download and extract an archive :P |
| 00:49 |
Menche |
well, and run 1 command too :P |
| 00:49 |
VanessaE |
(I took a backup of my personal files, and did not have to restore from said backup). Thank to a script I wrote some time back to automate the process. |
| 00:49 |
Peacock |
arch with synaptic and a single type of repos would totally pwn debian |
| 00:49 |
Menche |
there's a few graphical pacman frontends |
| 00:49 |
Peacock |
tried all of them, they sucked and most of them didn't work as advertised lol |
| 00:49 |
Menche |
a gnome packagekit one |
| 00:50 |
* Menche |
doesn't like graphical package management |
| 00:50 |
Peacock |
im sorry but i grew up with dos and later windows 3.1, i dont like using the terminal if i dont have to |
| 00:51 |
dumdidum |
well, i think i have to give it up. i want to play minetest with technic mod but dev minetest needs dev technic mod which is really unstable (some recipes are old, some new -> some things doesn't work). and the stable minetest doesn't start because it can't find a font which is there ... |
| 00:51 |
us{0gb |
I'm exited about a new Guix package manager. It's said that it doesn't break anything if interrupted during installation and has a rollback feature. |
| 00:52 |
Peacock |
the main problem with package manager is sorting dependencies, if you update one thing before the other, everything fucks up lol |
| 00:52 |
Peacock |
*managers |
| 00:52 |
harrison |
think of the children! use your library voice mr Peacock |
| 00:52 |
Peacock |
library voice? lol |
| 00:53 |
kaeza |
dumdidum, what exactly does not work? |
| 00:53 |
VanessaE |
children can learn to filter out the occasional swear. they'll be speaking it soon enough anyway :P |
| 00:53 |
Peacock |
and it might be early for me waking up at 6pm, but in europe and on the east coast kids should be in bed :P |
| 00:53 |
dumdidum |
kaeza, in the technic mod? |
| 00:53 |
harrison |
The execution and how it happened is on tape from security cameras is no doubt as to what happen and whose behind this we already know who pulled the trigger we will sooner than they think we can. |
| 00:53 |
harrison |
The kids they die knew the danger and chose to be where their duty told them they had to be. They are the first blood in this war it will not be the last the road we have ahead of us is heavy and will be full of blood. |
| 00:53 |
kaeza |
...yes? |
| 00:54 |
Peacock |
harrison, u on druuugs? |
| 00:54 |
Peacock |
because crack is bad, mkaay? |
| 00:54 |
VanessaE |
wtf are you going on about? |
| 00:54 |
Peacock |
(ask Rob Ford) |
| 00:55 |
pitriss |
Peacock: +1 |
| 00:55 |
Peacock |
speaking of Ontario |
| 00:55 |
Peacock |
!seen thefamilygrog |
| 00:55 |
MinetestBot |
Peacock: Sorry, I haven't seen thefamilygrog around. |
| 00:55 |
dumdidum |
kaeza, one moment, i will have a look for the exact names |
| 00:57 |
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| 00:58 |
general3214 |
Anyone here? |
| 00:58 |
Peacock |
no we all left half an hour ago |
| 00:59 |
Peacock |
happy hour at McGuinty's |
| 00:59 |
Peacock |
almost last call then :P |
| 00:59 |
* us{0gb |
would be here, but isn't |
| 01:00 |
dumdidum |
kaeza, lv solar array needs solar panel. there are two kinds of solar panel available. the old one can't be crafted but the new one can. but the new solar panel can't be used to craft a lv solar array. |
| 01:00 |
us{0gb |
Scratch that. Better response: |
| 01:00 |
proller |
NEW SUPER NO LAG system! right now on "Sky" server! join if you can |
| 01:00 |
* us{0gb |
would be here if not for the fact that he's gone at the moment |
| 01:01 |
Peacock |
my super no lag system involves gutting half or more of default game lol |
| 01:01 |
dumdidum |
kaeza, when crafting a coal lv generator it becomes an unknown object. well this error i fixed localy after a while of searching. |
| 01:01 |
us{0gb |
proller: WHat is the sky server? Is it the won where the spawn point is up in the indev floating islands? |
| 01:01 |
general3214 |
The Minetest community has quite a lot of sarcasm. |
| 01:02 |
NekoGloop |
I just don't care. |
| 01:02 |
us{0gb |
general3214: We have to, to make it through the day. Times are hard here. |
| 01:02 |
kaeza |
dumdidum, you may want to open an issue on github so it's not forgotten |
| 01:02 |
proller |
us{0gb, now on 900+ mountain |
| 01:02 |
general3214 |
us{0gb: I knew it! |
| 01:03 |
Peacock |
general3214 http://youtu.be/ykku2FDftFg |
| 01:03 |
us{0gb |
proller: 900+ mountain? Is it that Mount Moru plugin? |
| 01:04 |
proller |
no, noise params |
| 01:04 |
kaeza |
dumdidum, in any case, using the dev version helps find new bugs; if only the developers use the dev version, these issues can go unnoticed because the devs are either too busy or too lazy to test them |
| 01:05 |
proller |
no need to play, just join |
| 01:05 |
general3214 |
Peacock: Since you posted that link, the number of views changed from 1 to 4. |
| 01:05 |
Peacock |
yeah i saw the original a few days ago without the subs |
| 01:06 |
dumdidum |
kaeza, the generator bug is already fixed as i see :) |
| 01:06 |
us{0gb |
Peacock: Awesome video. Thanks for sharing! |
| 01:06 |
Peacock |
im a huge fan of john cleese, and think he's right on that score lol |
| 01:09 |
us{0gb |
I don't know the guy, but I agree with his viewpoint in that video. |
| 01:09 |
dumdidum |
kaeza, sure, you're right. but in the moment i don't have the time for bug hunting. but hey, right now i have just a problem with the solar panel. i got the generator to work. seems that i did something wrong last times ... so, all in all it's not as bad as i thought :D |
| 01:09 |
Peacock |
well you can prolly find some fawtly tower episodes on youtube, or clips from monty python |
| 01:11 |
Peacock |
ogb: best episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfl6Lu3xQW0 |
| 01:14 |
general3214 |
Has anyone made a world that is for displaying texture packs? |
| 01:19 |
Megaf |
<Peacock> im sorry but i grew up with dos and later windows 3.1, i dont like using the terminal if i dont have to |
| 01:19 |
Megaf |
I grew up with MSX, then DOS and then Windows 3.11, 95, 98, 2000, ME, XP, 2003 |
| 01:20 |
proller |
please join to "Sky" server to test new anti lag patch |
| 01:20 |
Megaf |
then I noticed that windows is rubbish and knew about Linux |
| 01:20 |
Megaf |
So my life began |
| 01:20 |
Peacock |
megaf well linux looked pretty damned good when i had windowsMe to contend with |
| 01:20 |
* kaeza |
grew up with a ZXSpectrum+ |
| 01:21 |
kaeza |
good old times :) |
| 01:21 |
Megaf |
yup |
| 01:21 |
Megaf |
have you ever tried RiscOS? |
| 01:21 |
Megaf |
theres a version for Raspberry Pi |
| 01:21 |
Megaf |
impressive how well it performs |
| 01:21 |
Peacock |
but still, if i hated the terminal in windows and dos, why should i love using it in linux? because im free? lol |
| 01:21 |
kaeza |
not yet |
| 01:22 |
Peacock |
the only reason i was sold on linux was because of ubuntu double-D |
| 01:22 |
Peacock |
the base system didn't have the driver i wanted, the driver wizard found the right one, even if prop. |
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pitriss |
kaeza: hehe I had Commodore 64 |
| 01:23 |
Peacock |
i prefer a mixed system that focuses on the best performance, not a pure system that focus on one arbitrary ideal of freedom |
| 01:24 |
kaeza |
Peacock++ |
| 01:24 |
Peacock |
for trisquell, the focus is freedom to the power of 4, for arch, it's about focusing on minimalism, but it's just a tad more minimalist than i want |
| 01:24 |
general3214 |
Right now I'm converting a Minecraft texture pack called Xenocontendi http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/117219-/ |
| 01:25 |
general3214 |
And don't worry; I've got all of the copyright stuff covered |
| 01:26 |
Peacock |
sucks because an arch base with a modern finish would blow ubuntu out of the water |
| 01:26 |
Peacock |
most of the options seem to suck right now |
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Exio4 |
Peacock: if you compare DOS shell with any *nix's shell |
| 01:31 |
Exio4 |
you are comparing the wrong thing |
| 01:31 |
Exio4 |
s |
| 01:31 |
Peacock |
i just dont like using text commands lol thats not so hard to comprehend |
| 01:31 |
Peacock |
i was a kid last time i had to use them |
| 01:32 |
Exio4 |
you can nowdays, use the terminal for connecting to irc, have full-featured file managers, multiplexers, connect to remote servers, code, etc |
| 01:32 |
Exio4 |
the terminal is the hell of usefulness |
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Peacock |
that might be an advance for terminals, but most normal users are beyond using terminals |
| 01:32 |
Exio4 |
more like an advance, a common thing when using *nix-powered shells |
| 01:32 |
Peacock |
we live in an age of multi-monitor setups |
| 01:33 |
Peacock |
not at all the same as the days of 14" CRTs |
| 01:33 |
Exio4 |
you can have X11 and terminals on each monitor |
| 01:33 |
Peacock |
well look, i wont bash you if you prefer using terminals, but i like modern-ish setups, but not as a modern as say gnome3 |
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Exio4 |
gnome3 is the bullshit of the moment |
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Peacock |
xfce is gold for me lol |
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Peacock |
gnome3/unity need to die yes |
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Exio4 |
i use X11 with my terms, but i just say.. man, you're comparing the wrong things, the shell you used in DOS isn't like the one that is behind your OS |
| 01:34 |
Exio4 |
DOS shell made people cry for a GUI |
| 01:34 |
Peacock |
well when we were talking about terminals, it was in relation to pacman/aur/yaourt |
| 01:34 |
Peacock |
and given the choice, id rather arch had something like synaptic |
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Mossmanikin |
Hi folks |
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Exio4 |
pacman is good but the pkgbuilds of the packages are shit :( |
| 01:35 |
Peacock |
when dealing with something as critical as system updates, i can't be worrying about knowing the right commands |
| 01:35 |
Exio4 |
so you will be dealing with a gui? |
| 01:35 |
Peacock |
agreed, i fucking hate pkgbuilds lol |
| 01:35 |
Exio4 |
pkgbuilds are a nice idea |
| 01:35 |
Peacock |
well 2 years of archbang made me long for synpatic lol |
| 01:35 |
Exio4 |
they are like lite-ebuilds |
| 01:36 |
Exio4 |
but the pkgbuilds used in arch packets are shit |
| 01:36 |
Peacock |
apt simply has better dependency resolution than pacman or aur helpers |
| 01:36 |
Exio4 |
packages** |
| 01:36 |
Peacock |
i haven't broken my #! setup with a system update yet |
| 01:36 |
Exio4 |
emerge! |
| 01:36 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: that is called "good packages" |
| 01:36 |
Peacock |
well tell that to arch supporters :P |
| 01:36 |
Exio4 |
arch means not-well-tested packages |
| 01:37 |
Exio4 |
only the core system is forced to go to "testing" and if nobody tries them = they get into master |
| 01:37 |
Peacock |
yeah they tend to push shit when it's right out the gate, regardless of if it breaks everything or not |
| 01:37 |
Exio4 |
tries them and says it doesn't work * |
| 01:38 |
Peacock |
well thats why i say, a ubuntu-esque (oldschool ubuntu) version of arch would blow the actual ubuntu out of the water :P |
| 01:38 |
Exio4 |
remember some time ago, when you were uber-fan of archlinux and the shit? and you said "nonono it is stable!!"? |
| 01:38 |
Exio4 |
john_minetest: how is a pkgbuild related to aur |
| 01:38 |
Peacock |
archbang used to be more stable than it is now |
| 01:38 |
Exio4 |
fwiw, look at overlays ;) |
| 01:38 |
Peacock |
things change with time, not just my opinion :P |
| 01:39 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: it is archlinux, everything works for two months, everything explodes for a whole month, and so |
| 01:39 |
Exio4 |
+on |
| 01:39 |
Peacock |
the glibc fiasco fucked up alot of AB setups |
| 01:39 |
Exio4 |
like, most of the big updates in a shitty rolling release |
| 01:40 |
Exio4 |
gentoo is a lovely RS :> |
| 01:40 |
Peacock |
problem is you got polar opposites as options: debian which takes forever to get new software, and arch that doesn't test jack before pushing it |
| 01:40 |
Exio4 |
gentoo |
| 01:41 |
NakedFury |
or windows |
| 01:41 |
Peacock |
i hear too many bad things about gentoo, but i hear alot of good things about slackware |
| 01:41 |
Exio4 |
windows? i don't want to use a window for chatting NakedFury |
| 01:41 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: what bad things? |
| 01:41 |
Exio4 |
mostly from people saying "meh, compiling", no? |
| 01:42 |
Peacock |
just people complaining, the last time i looked it up was when i switched to #!, so i can't cite examples from memory |
| 01:42 |
Exio4 |
gentoo is the evil of the distros |
| 01:42 |
dumdidum |
gentoo works fine here :) |
| 01:43 |
Exio4 |
i miss a gentoo setup here :( |
| 01:43 |
Peacock |
im not terribly familiar with portage either |
| 01:43 |
Exio4 |
but network problems, barely can have a debian sid |
| 01:43 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: neither i am |
| 01:43 |
Peacock |
having learned synaptic and pacman and all |
| 01:43 |
Exio4 |
that is why manpages exist |
| 01:43 |
Exio4 |
s |
| 01:43 |
Peacock |
does gentoo have wicd, chromium, gedit, and no bloody pulse audio? |
| 01:43 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: it has more than that? |
| 01:44 |
Exio4 |
it is a real distro |
| 01:44 |
Peacock |
one thing i like about AB over CB is AB doesn't bother with pulseaudio lol |
| 01:44 |
Exio4 |
you install in gentoo whatever you want |
| 01:44 |
Peacock |
well they're all real distros in a sense, 90% are based on another one |
| 01:44 |
Exio4 |
john_minetest: do you know what i mean |
| 01:44 |
Exio4 |
pkgbuilds itself are nice |
| 01:44 |
Exio4 |
aur is other shit |
| 01:44 |
Exio4 |
totally unrelated |
| 01:45 |
Exio4 |
it is like comparing .exes with .zip |
| 01:45 |
Peacock |
the biggest problem with arch is seperation between pacman and aur |
| 01:45 |
Exio4 |
uh? |
| 01:45 |
Exio4 |
yeah |
| 01:45 |
Exio4 |
a database of user-made pkgbuilds that nobody tried |
| 01:45 |
Peacock |
well to the average user, AUR is where you get the other half of your favorite software |
| 01:46 |
Exio4 |
tl;dr you are getting it from unknown software |
| 01:46 |
Exio4 |
and for having a working arch-based system |
| 01:46 |
Exio4 |
you need to get a shit load of stuff from aur |
| 01:46 |
Exio4 |
that is unstable, from -git or so |
| 01:46 |
Peacock |
well i dont control pacman or its; repos lol all i know is i can get all the same shit from synaptic |
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Exio4 |
john_minetest: do you read all of them, and check by hand if they don't have something wrong? |
| 01:48 |
Peacock |
i still prefer the simplicity and unity of synaptic, since you can add repos from there |
| 01:48 |
Peacock |
synaptic is a frontend for APT i think |
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Exio4 |
john_minetest: nearly every |
| 01:49 |
Exio4 |
and you can't rely on them, if they have an unknown download, do you install it anyway? |
| 01:49 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funtoo |
| 01:49 |
Peacock |
if pacman repos had all the shit i could find in AUR, and pacman had a frontend, it would be no contest, i'd go with arch |
| 01:50 |
Peacock |
what is difference between funtoo and gentoo? |
| 01:51 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funtoo#Features |
| 01:51 |
Peacock |
jesus a flowchart of linux distros would be helpful lol |
| 01:59 |
Peacock |
slackware seems to be one of the base systems |
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Peacock |
i do prefer systems with a big base/lots of devs/supporters |
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Peacock |
i cant find gento on the graph though, which distro does it come from? |
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harrison |
Mr Peacock, I am not on drugs just presently |
| 02:27 |
Peacock |
well i've had a few beers |
| 02:27 |
harrison |
I am attempting to cope without them |
| 02:27 |
harrison |
for a few days |
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* NekoGloop |
has had halloween candy, does that qualify as drugs |
| 02:27 |
Peacock |
by a few, i mean a dozen or more... it's allright, im canadian :P |
| 02:28 |
harrison |
what do you suggest? |
| 02:28 |
Mossmanikin |
Yes it does |
| 02:28 |
* Menche |
has more candy than he should have :P |
| 02:28 |
NekoGloop |
;P |
| 02:28 |
harrison |
wha baby seal walks into a bar |
| 02:28 |
harrison |
what will you have? |
| 02:28 |
NekoGloop |
harrison, baby seal clubbing jokes are not funny |
| 02:28 |
harrison |
anything but a candian club |
| 02:28 |
Peacock |
seal burger |
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harrison |
holocaust jokes are not funny |
| 02:28 |
harrison |
anne frankly, i never tell them |
| 02:29 |
Menche |
lol |
| 02:29 |
harrison |
what is the most politacally correct month? |
| 02:29 |
harrison |
politically |
| 02:29 |
Peacock |
the only people that hunt seals are inuits, and its the same dumbasses that tell us to take care of the inuits that tell us to ban the only form of hunting they have lol |
| 02:29 |
harrison |
only 12 months |
| 02:29 |
harrison |
one is funny |
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NekoGloop |
June; it's the shortest named one and the government can't handle long words |
| 02:30 |
harrison |
what is the most politically correct month? |
| 02:30 |
harrison |
Close |
| 02:30 |
harrison |
July |
| 02:30 |
NekoGloop |
You Lie. |
| 02:30 |
NekoGloop |
;P |
| 02:30 |
harrison |
Um, fail. |
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kaeza |
Menche, stop plauing candy box :P |
| 02:31 |
kaeza |
plauing? playing! |
| 02:31 |
harrison |
I can't say more on freenode. |
| 02:31 |
NekoGloop |
harrison, say "July" and then "You Lie" outloud |
| 02:31 |
* Menche |
has eaten 724,100 candies |
| 02:31 |
harrison |
You don't get it. |
| 02:31 |
harrison |
Say July |
| 02:32 |
NekoGloop |
J-You Lie |
| 02:32 |
harrison |
like the rest of political correctness |
| 02:32 |
harrison |
a hetland pony walks into a bar |
| 02:32 |
harrison |
shetland |
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kaeza |
does February March? no, but April May! |
| 02:32 |
harrison |
the bartender says |
| 02:32 |
kaeza |
punpunpun :D |
| 02:33 |
harrison |
there must be a virus going around |
| 02:33 |
NekoGloop |
Oh, watch out, it's the PUNisher! |
| 02:33 |
harrison |
i am a little hoarse myself |
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Inocudom |
What happened to the forums? |
| 02:34 |
NekoGloop |
death |
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kaeza |
? |
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Menche |
what about them? |
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harrison |
mr Peacock: do you have an opinion on 4-ac-? |
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Mossmanikin |
Watcha mean? |
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harrison |
4-aco? |
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Inocudom |
I can't get on them. |
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Peacock |
wtf is that lol |
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harrison |
I can't say more on freenode. |
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kaeza |
Inocudom, they sem to work from here |
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kaeza |
+e |
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Inocudom |
They are up again. |
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Mossmanikin |
Don't have any problem to log in.... |
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Mossmanikin |
Kk |
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Mossmanikin |
I'm off, see ya |
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breaks the silence with an arol pickaxe |
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Peacock |
theres no performal oral on the channel permitted :P |
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Peacock |
*performing |
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Peacock |
though you might try setting a small fire :P |
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waldorf salad? |
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sfan5 |
hi everyone |
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nore |
hi sfan5 |
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mornings |
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BlockMen |
hi everyone |
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kaeza |
hey BlockMen, john_minetest |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: Novatux commited to minetest/minetest: Move the sapling growing and grass adding/removing ABMs to Lua 69a59f1e41 2013-11-02T02:50:11-07:00 http://git.io/N7VDCg |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: Novatux commited to minetest/minetest_game: Move sapling growing and grass adding/removing ABMs to Lua. a4b4de6d0e 2013-11-02T03:03:08-07:00 http://git.io/1rQ3Aw |
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nore |
hi PilzAdam |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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jin_xi |
nore: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=1080 this is a game using mgv7 and a mod to make generated structures for custom biomes. but its a hack b/c no deco callback |
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nore |
jin_xi, ? |
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nore |
this thread is about a dirt texture... |
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jin_xi |
oops |
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jin_xi |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=108059#p108059 |
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* arsdragonfly |
is confused by the async lua engine |
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PilzAdam |
VanessaE, why have you closed my "Minmal game" topic? |
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PilzAdam |
there is no reason to |
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reactor |
Mowing. |
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reactor |
john_minetest: o/ |
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reactor |
How's uni? |
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Evergreen |
Hey everybody! |
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kaeza |
hey Evergreen |
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kaeza |
Evergreen, I have normally ~45 FPS (under Xfce with compositing on, ~50-55 with compositing off), so ~40FPS while recording is not bad :P |
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VanessaE |
PilzAdam: because people have started necro-posting into it? |
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PilzAdam |
the game isnt dead |
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VanessaE |
it's generally not good form to leave an obviously dead topic open. |
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PilzAdam |
I still support it |
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VanessaE |
opened. |
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PilzAdam |
nobody posting in the forum doesnt mean nobody playing the game |
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VanessaE |
my post is deleted. |
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Evergreen |
If it's dead, maybe there should be an old games topic or something. |
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Evergreen |
You never know who may use it |
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reactor |
o/ Evergreen. Defoliant? |
| 12:19 |
VanessaE |
a closed topic doesn't mean the game is closed. Posting into an old topic is considered improper, though. |
| 12:19 |
Evergreen |
^ Yes, but don't close the topic just because of that |
| 12:19 |
Evergreen |
delete the person's post |
| 12:19 |
VanessaE |
meh |
| 12:19 |
VanessaE |
whatever |
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VanessaE |
it's already re-opened. |
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reactor |
TheFirstProject: how's the science? |
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TheLastProject |
reactor: Good, good. Starting to figure out the most cruel way to get rid of people who make stupid jokes about my nickname. Progress is being made |
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reactor |
*slow clap* |
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reactor |
Good luck with that, pal. |
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| 12:53 |
thexyz |
wow |
| 12:53 |
thexyz |
https://forum.minetest.net/search.php?action=show_user_posts&user_id=7894 |
| 12:54 |
thexyz |
is that what markov chains typically generate? |
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dante1234 |
!up minetest.info.tm |
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MinetestBot |
minetest.info.tm:30000 seems to be down |
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reactor |
thexyz: I swear it, it's not me. |
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Jordach |
markov chains LACK context |
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Jordach |
they join words that sound human, but are out of place |
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arsdragonfly |
what's the use of markov chains algorithm? |
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arsdragonfly |
spambot? SEO? |
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Jordach |
probably spam, i've seen some spambots actually make human sounding responces |
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Jordach |
except that they had to add a spam link in it |
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markveidemanis |
i |
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markveidemanis |
Hi |
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VanessaE |
an HTML anchor? |
| 13:19 |
VanessaE |
oh heh |
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VanessaE |
brain parse error :) |
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Exio4 |
[23:05:37] <Peacock> i cant find gento on the graph though, which distro does it come from? |
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Exio4 |
oh |
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Exio4 |
he left |
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thexyz |
indeed, markov chains were created for spam |
| 13:21 |
thexyz |
of course |
| 13:21 |
thexyz |
no doubt |
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Exio4 |
Jordach: a bot in other channel, with markov chains and so on, normally says "somewhat related" shit that, if you understand spanish i would post examples :P |
| 13:24 |
Exio4 |
but it is like -talking about gentoo and slackware-; the bot says: i think the first one is better or things like that |
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Evergreen |
Great, semi-intelligent spam bots. Just what the world needs |
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Evergreen |
!title |
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MinetestBot |
Evergreen: Phoenix - Long Distance Call - YouTube |
| 13:29 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: damn you. ninja'd :) |
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kaeza |
:D |
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Exio4 |
hmm |
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Exio4 |
i'm thinking if hot-connecting the SATA HDDs to the mobo would work :P |
| 13:31 |
VanessaE |
SATA is designed for hot-plugging, so why not? |
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Exio4 |
hot-plugging needs support in the mobo, OS and harddisk |
| 13:32 |
Exio4 |
i'm pretty i have the last two |
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* Exio4 |
will try for the first |
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VanessaE |
if it has SATA, you can be sure the hardware supports it. the OS? idk. linux does I'm sure |
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Exio4 |
if i don't come back in 30m, call the ambulance (?) |
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VanessaE |
heh |
| 13:32 |
ruskie |
I did a live replace of my mdraid via hotplugging |
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Exio4 |
my mobo btw :P http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M5A99X_EVO/#specifications |
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arsdragonfly |
Interesting: there's no English entry for markov chain in Wikipedia |
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VanessaE |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_chain |
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reactor |
john_minetest: hey. |
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reactor |
MinetestBot: o/ |
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reactor |
john_minetest: hey. |
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reactor |
markveidemanis: o/ |
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arsdragonfly |
sorry there is... just can't get into it from other languages |
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reactor |
john_minetest: how's uni, mate? |
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MinetestBot |
reactor: o/ |
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reactor |
john_minetest: ? |
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reactor |
MinetestBot: I was not addressing you. |
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reactor |
MinetestBot: I suggest you rectify the logs. |
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reactor |
Brb, rectifying my logs. |
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stormchaser3000 |
h |
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stormchaser3000 |
ii |
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stormchaser3000 |
i need help with linux |
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PilzAdam |
stormchaser3000, then you are in the wrong channel |
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stormchaser3000 |
ok |
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stormchaser3000 |
what chanel would i go to |
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Evergreen |
What distro do you use? |
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stormchaser3000 |
ubuntu |
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PilzAdam |
dunno, #linux or a channel of your distro |
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Evergreen |
#ubuntu |
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stormchaser3000 |
ok |
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Exio4 |
how cute |
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Exio4 |
someone used the pliers and i don't know where they are now :( |
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reactor |
Exio4: finally, someone owning tools. |
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Exio4 |
hm? :P |
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* OldCoder |
will work on MT upgrades today and requests assistance from anybody willing to help. He will return in about one hour for this purpose. |
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OldCoder |
john_minetest, kaeza, this might include you and Shadow Ninja if he is about |
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reactor |
Exio4: most people I know do not own even a basic set of them. |
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reactor |
I don't know how they fix anything at home. |
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Exio4 |
reactor: well, weird |
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reactor |
Indeed. |
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Exio4 |
here, of 10 houses, at least 7 or 8 have a basic-set, at least |
| 14:24 |
reactor |
It's really lame to have to pay to a technician to screw in a new light bulb. |
| 14:24 |
reactor |
s/pay to/pay/ |
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Exio4 |
*at least* |
| 14:25 |
reactor |
...or they say they don't, in case I want to steal their precious tools. |
| 14:25 |
reactor |
But god damn it. I got my own! |
| 14:26 |
reactor |
Why would I, anyway. |
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Exio4 |
haha |
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reactor |
Or they're afraid they will look "nerdy"? But it's not nerdy to own tools. It's rational to. |
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harrison |
beauty is momentary in the mind |
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harrison |
the fitful tracing of a portal |
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harrison |
but in the mind it is immortal |
| 15:11 |
harrison |
the body dies, the body's beauty lives... |
| 15:11 |
reactor |
There is no portl gun for MT :( |
| 15:11 |
reactor |
s/tl/tal/ |
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VanessaE |
screw that, I'm gonna stay beautiful forever. :) |
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harrison |
VanessaE: right on |
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Exio4 |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerobiz_Supersonic lol |
| 15:19 |
reactor |
? |
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Exio4 |
it is a funny game, never saw it and when downloading sega games, played it |
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iqualfragile |
finaly the abms are in lua |
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nore |
yep... |
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nore |
so you can change it in different games |
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iqualfragile |
i one wanted to slow the growth of trees down |
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iqualfragile |
because they grow waay to fast |
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iqualfragile |
but it was not possible |
| 15:26 |
nore |
you can... |
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nore |
(but they are in default game, so you will probably need to make a game) |
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Exio4 |
make them mod-able :P |
| 15:42 |
Exio4 |
call a function that calls the real func, and make the real func global |
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Exio4 |
you could change it by default.grow_tree or whatever, like the abm for lava cooling |
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general3214 |
Hello! |
| 16:18 |
t3o |
hi |
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us}0gb |
Hello! |
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general3214 |
:D |
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reactor |
I AM CORNHOLIO! |
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reactor |
MY BONGHOLE WILL NOT NEGOTIATE! |
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reactor |
s/ONG?UNG/ |
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reactor |
s/ONG/UNG/ |
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general3214 |
What does that mean...? |
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kaeza |
just ignore him |
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t3o |
I have a question regarding serversetup with mods. Does it need the same plugins/mods be installed on the clients? |
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general3214 |
XD |
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kaeza |
t3o, no |
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us}0gb |
No, clients need no "mods". |
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t3o |
k thanks |
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us}0gb |
THe server sends the client any information it needs. |
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general3214 |
Hey kaeza, do you mind moving my mods? Or are they unworthy? |
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t3o |
good |
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general3214 |
I guess they are... |
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general3214 |
:O |
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general3214 |
You moved one! |
| 16:23 |
general3214 |
Or was it you? |
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general3214 |
I'll just wait. |
| 16:23 |
general3214 |
Now they're both moved! |
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general3214 |
Thanks! |
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Jordach |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=116758#p116758 |
| 16:25 |
general3214 |
Joins with a link? |
| 16:26 |
reactor |
Jordach: o/ |
| 16:26 |
general3214 |
$3 for a free game... |
| 16:26 |
general3214 |
[quote=rubenwardy]Looks like a scam.[/quote] |
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Jordach |
general3214: lemme go crack the app :P |
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general3214 |
:D |
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Jordach |
im surprised it even works on the galaxy tab 2 |
| 16:27 |
general3214 |
Then I can test it with BlueStacks, even though it's an emulator of Android on PC! |
| 16:28 |
Jordach |
which is near the bottom of the antutu benchmark top 20 |
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general3214 |
? |
| 16:28 |
general3214 |
I'm no good with phones... |
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general3214 |
I mean I'm not familiar with their names and stuff |
| 16:29 |
reactor |
Is that true Android runs on top of a Java machine? |
| 16:30 |
t3o |
I try setting up a server on a headless computer.. Should I copy a world I created on my notebook? Is it tobe placed in games/minetest_game/worlds/ on the server? |
| 16:30 |
Jordach |
reactor, yup |
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general3214 |
Hm... The blocks are upside down in the inventory... and are those purple chickens? |
| 16:30 |
general3214 |
https://lh3.ggpht.com/Wtd-IZ34KYy2EVVZ9ViUo3wUXCLP14dAY_yxwYQoknA2kwOODwdqwEzSmgn4ymc4oKaG=h900-rw |
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Jordach |
theyre folwers |
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Jordach |
flowers |
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general3214 |
Oh... |
| 16:31 |
Jordach |
ugh, cant type for shit on a touchscreen |
| 16:31 |
reactor |
This sucks. |
| 16:31 |
reactor |
Probably cuts the speed by half. |
| 16:31 |
Jordach |
i miss my damn accurate ipad (never missed a keystroke) |
| 16:31 |
reactor |
I still wonder how people can type on fucking touchscreen. |
| 16:32 |
reactor |
It's impossible. |
| 16:32 |
reactor |
I mean, touch-type, not type while looking at it. |
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NekoGloop |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PASqLy0cpio |
| 16:32 |
reactor |
Everyone can type with one finger, of course. |
| 16:32 |
general3214 |
If you know how to type with a keyboard, you know where all of the letters are-- Oh.. |
| 16:32 |
t3o |
or shall I put in in ~/.minetest/ ..? |
| 16:32 |
reactor |
Keyboard provides tactile feedback, you know when the key is activated |
| 16:33 |
reactor |
The problem with laser or screen keyboards is they don't. |
| 16:33 |
reactor |
And you never know if it has worked and you have hit the right area. |
| 16:33 |
general3214 |
NekoGloop: What did I just watch? |
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general3214 |
reactor: True. |
| 16:33 |
NekoGloop |
music |
| 16:34 |
thexyz |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=116758#p116758 Jordach drunk already? |
| 16:34 |
Jordach |
btw, an app called buildcraft already exists on the play market |
| 16:34 |
general3214 |
Quite... Original music. |
| 16:34 |
reactor |
!yiyle |
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reactor |
!title |
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MinetestBot |
reactor: Minest Android version is online (Page 3) — General Discussion — Minetest Forums |
| 16:34 |
Jordach |
lemme jusr tell them to dmca their ass |
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thexyz |
that's not the behavior I'd expect from our moderators |
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thexyz |
but oh well |
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general3214 |
Hm... The author of the OP has only made 6 posts. I wouldn't trust him. |
| 16:35 |
Jordach |
thexyz, i hate it when theres a clear violation of the licenses |
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general3214 |
And he's been registered for only 4 days... |
| 16:36 |
Jordach |
and he deseves it |
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thexyz |
I hate it when people shitpost |
| 16:36 |
Jordach |
jojoa asked for multiplayer |
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Jordach |
and a free version, clearly he didnt listen |
| 16:36 |
Jordach |
and cannot cleaely be asked to code or draw somethi foe himsef |
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general3214 |
Noticed that just a few seconds ago |
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thexyz |
wow, you're drunk for sure |
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NekoGloop |
Why is he drunk? |
| 16:37 |
general3214 |
Wait... How old is Jordach? |
| 16:37 |
Jordach |
old |
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NekoGloop |
He's stated that he's typing on a touchscreen |
| 16:38 |
general3214 |
Pedo alert! |
| 16:38 |
general3214 |
jk jk XD |
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Jordach |
general, tell THAT TO REACTOR |
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thexyz |
touchscreen? okay then |
| 16:39 |
general3214 |
What about him? Is he a middle-age man waiting for victims? |
| 16:39 |
Jordach |
thexyz, hes more intrested in money than open source |
| 16:39 |
reactor |
Well. Eh. That was a joke. |
| 16:39 |
general3214 |
I noticed that. |
| 16:39 |
reactor |
Dan_D called me a pedo, and I wanted to teach him a lesson about such insults. |
| 16:40 |
general3214 |
It seems the Minetest community is temporarily out of sarcasm. |
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general3214 |
Wait |
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general3214 |
Let me rephrase that |
| 16:40 |
sandman |
Anyone run minetest on a RPi? |
| 16:40 |
reactor |
Out of sarcasm. Cure dumped. |
| 16:40 |
sandman |
as a server, anyway |
| 16:40 |
reactor |
s/Cure/Core/ |
| 16:40 |
general3214 |
It seems the Minetest community temporarily can't understand sarcasm |
| 16:40 |
NekoGloop |
It seems like the minetest community is slowly running out of people. |
| 16:40 |
Calinou |
sarcasm is bad |
| 16:40 |
thexyz |
NekoGloop: i herd you love japan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SAvIbyGR70 |
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Jordach |
sandman, afaik no |
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Calinou |
NekoGloop: it doesn't? |
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Jordach |
5$ wrong window closed |
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thexyz |
sandman: proller does |
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thexyz |
and some other guys too |
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kaeza |
there was another guy too, Megaf I think was his name |
| 16:42 |
thexyz |
just check http://servers.minetest.net/ |
| 16:43 |
proller |
sandman, no, mine is odroid (15x faster than slowberry) |
| 16:43 |
thexyz |
oh, my bad |
| 16:43 |
general3214 |
thexyz, you have quite a dirty mind. |
| 16:43 |
thexyz |
general3214: why? |
| 16:44 |
general3214 |
First word of the video's title: HENTAI |
| 16:44 |
thexyz |
oh well |
| 16:45 |
thexyz |
not my worst side |
| 16:45 |
general3214 |
I don't even want to get there |
| 16:46 |
thexyz |
then don't |
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reactor |
thexyu: I'm disappointed |
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general3214 |
Ew. |
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thexyz |
reactor: you're getting repetitive |
| 16:47 |
reactor |
Sorry. |
| 16:48 |
reactor |
I do forget things I say. |
| 16:48 |
thexyz |
this is bad |
| 16:48 |
thexyz |
consult a doctor or something |
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Exio4 |
news about the android port? |
| 16:49 |
reactor |
This is not. |
| 16:49 |
thexyz |
Exio4: nothing |
| 16:49 |
Exio4 |
meh :/ |
| 16:49 |
reactor |
It's just I don't pay enough attention to IRC. |
| 16:49 |
thexyz |
I see |
| 16:50 |
t3o |
arg, minetestserver -h says --worldname ... implies local game. It implies local files but can serve a multiplayer online game with that local files!? |
| 16:50 |
thexyz |
if that's not enough attention then I wonder what is |
| 16:50 |
Exio4 |
nope t3o |
| 16:50 |
general3214 |
I'm converthing this texture pack: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/117219-16x-16-xenocontendi-resource-pack/ |
| 16:50 |
general3214 |
Minetest screenshot: http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/166/ul13.png |
| 16:50 |
general3214 |
I still have yet to finish the grass |
| 16:51 |
proller |
sandman, if you want less lags on pi - try -next branch |
| 16:51 |
thexyz |
general3214: I can't find any license information there; did you contact the author? |
| 16:51 |
t3o |
Exio4: "no" to what? |
| 16:52 |
general3214 |
thexyz: Let me do some research |
| 16:52 |
Exio4 |
wait, nevermind |
| 16:52 |
reactor |
thexyz: I don't know. What the hell do you want from me? |
| 16:52 |
Exio4 |
i don't think i understand what you wrote |
| 16:52 |
* Exio4 |
goes away :P |
| 16:52 |
t3o |
Exio4: np. :) |
| 16:53 |
thexyz |
reactor: why do you think I need anything from you? I don't, relax |
| 16:55 |
reactor |
Good. Would you like to talk about projection? |
| 16:56 |
thexyz |
sorry, I'd prefer to not talk with you about anything |
| 16:57 |
reactor |
That's actually good. |
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pitriss |
sandman: i saw in server list some rpi server |
| 17:02 |
OldCoder |
Is anybody available to help me untangle mods for upgrade? john_minetest? kaeza? ShadowNinja? VanessaE? |
| 17:02 |
VanessaE |
I could help later, sure |
| 17:02 |
OldCoder |
k |
| 17:02 |
OldCoder |
09:59:21: ERROR[main]: mod "mesecons_compatibility" has unsatisfied dependencies: "doors" |
| 17:02 |
OldCoder |
09:59:21: ERROR[main]: mod "beds" has unsatisfied dependencies: "wool" |
| 17:02 |
OldCoder |
That is presently happening with Zegaton |
| 17:02 |
VanessaE |
doors and wool are part of minetest_game now. |
| 17:03 |
OldCoder |
But I have upgraded. I will look closer. |
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| 17:03 |
OldCoder |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/zipball/master |
| 17:04 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, That is the *game I should use, correct? |
| 17:04 |
VanessaE |
wool is the 12 or 15-color version (I forget which), so there will probably be some unknown blocks. I never got a chance to write that updated version. |
| 17:04 |
reactor |
why not tarball? |
| 17:04 |
VanessaE |
yes, that's the one. but why a zipball? you should be using git to manage it. |
| 17:04 |
OldCoder |
Presently I am focused on eliminating crashes |
| 17:04 |
OldCoder |
And git is fine |
| 17:04 |
VanessaE |
git clone git github.com:minetest/minetest_game.git |
| 17:04 |
OldCoder |
Should be same as ZIP? |
| 17:04 |
VanessaE |
it's the same repo, yeah |
| 17:05 |
VanessaE |
just saving you a little time :) |
| 17:05 |
OldCoder |
So no difference |
| 17:05 |
OldCoder |
I will review |
| 17:05 |
OldCoder |
Focused on this today |
| 17:05 |
VanessaE |
don't use the old "common" mods anymore, byw |
| 17:05 |
VanessaE |
btw* |
| 17:05 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, actually downloading a zip should be faster than cloning a whole repo |
| 17:05 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: faster yes, but is it not also a bit more cumbersome to keep updated after that? |
| 17:06 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, One step at a time. Saving the old worlds is quite messy. |
| 17:06 |
kaeza |
git is better in the long term |
| 17:06 |
OldCoder |
Right now kaeza I just want it to run :-) |
| 17:06 |
Exio4 |
git is easier |
| 17:06 |
kaeza |
k |
| 17:07 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, Did ShadowNinja fork your IRC mod? |
| 17:07 |
Exio4 |
the zipball is download, uncompress, remove old file, and then repeat after any upgrade |
| 17:07 |
Exio4 |
with git it is a clone for downloading and then just git pull |
| 17:07 |
kaeza |
OldCoder, nope, same repo |
| 17:07 |
OldCoder |
Hmm |
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| 17:07 |
Exio4 |
git pull OldCoder |
| 17:07 |
OldCoder |
Exio4, I will surely base all on git pull in the future. Today I seek to reconcile things and reduce crashes. |
| 17:08 |
OldCoder |
I will report back in a bit after looking further at Zegaton. |
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| 17:09 |
rubenwardy |
Hi all |
| 17:09 |
kaeza |
hi ruben |
| 17:09 |
rubenwardy |
Sup |
| 17:09 |
rubenwardy |
Did you see my message to you on #minetest yesterday? |
| 17:10 |
kaeza |
rubenwardy, gimme a sec |
| 17:11 |
Exio4 |
wow i found a nice sega genesis game |
| 17:11 |
Exio4 |
"Dune" |
| 17:11 |
kaeza |
Exio4, wut |
| 17:11 |
kaeza |
one of the best RTS around |
| 17:12 |
kaeza |
Exio4, try General Chaos sometime :3 |
| 17:12 |
reactor |
One could cheat with grenades there. |
| 17:13 |
reactor |
Pause the game after you've thrown a grenade. |
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| 17:25 |
OldCoder |
mod "beds" has unsatisfied dependencies: "wool" |
| 17:25 |
OldCoder |
Comments are welcome ^ |
| 17:25 |
rubenwardy |
Oh no! |
| 17:26 |
proller |
damn |
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| 17:27 |
general3214 |
Currently testing out HexChat |
| 17:28 |
general3214 |
Will be joining and quitting |
| 17:28 |
PilzAdam |
general3214, do you need to be in this channel for this? |
| 17:28 |
reactor |
XChat. :( |
| 17:28 |
kaeza |
Windows 7 ;_; |
| 17:28 |
reactor |
Oh. Pardon. |
| 17:29 |
reactor |
kaeza: I second that. |
| 17:29 |
TheLastProject |
general3214: Why not just join an empty channel? |
| 17:29 |
general3214 |
PilzAdam, no. :D |
| 17:30 |
general3214 |
TheLastProject: Just because. |
| 17:30 |
general3214 |
jk jk |
| 17:30 |
reactor |
Just because you want to annoy people with join/part spam. |
| 17:31 |
thexyz |
oh those nervous people, getting annoyed after someone joins/parts 3 times in a row or so |
| 17:31 |
thexyz |
just ignore joins/part if you're so easily annoyed by them |
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general3214 |
Hey kaeza, your name is Diego? |
| 17:33 |
Calinou |
it is |
| 17:34 |
reactor |
thexyz: a bung for every hole, I see. |
| 17:35 |
thexyz |
you're so fun |
| 17:35 |
thexyz |
keep going |
| 17:35 |
rubenwardy |
lol thexyz |
| 17:36 |
reactor |
thexyz: thank you, so are you. |
| 17:37 |
NekoGloop |
http://cdn.pokestache.com/2013/10/30/pokestache.com_6832_1383245394.jpg |
| 17:38 |
reactor |
!title |
| 17:38 |
MinetestBot |
reactor: Document isn't HTML |
| 17:38 |
reactor |
Oh yeah yeah. |
| 17:39 |
thexyz |
reactor: I doubt I am |
| 17:39 |
reactor |
Oh yeah yeah. Me, too, me, too. |
| 17:39 |
reactor |
Exchanging sarcastic comments leads to nothing good eh. |
| 17:40 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, thexyz, Sokomine, ShadowNinja, PilzAdam, Calinou If you see this please lurk in ##minebest today and tomorrow. I am fiddling to revive worlds. |
| 17:40 |
OldCoder |
anunakki, Hi BTW |
| 17:40 |
Calinou |
thanks for the highlight |
| 17:40 |
reactor |
OldCoder: as in, many worlds per server? |
| 17:41 |
OldCoder |
Calinou, It is sincere. reactor 20 worlds. |
| 17:41 |
thexyz |
reactor: wow, it's great you finally realised that |
| 17:41 |
Calinou |
:p |
| 17:41 |
reactor |
That would be iteresting. |
| 17:41 |
Calinou |
sarcasm sucks |
| 17:41 |
OldCoder |
Hm? |
| 17:41 |
OldCoder |
Who is being sarcastic? |
| 17:41 |
* OldCoder |
is very literal |
| 17:41 |
reactor |
thexyz: I realised that at 23:35 |
| 17:42 |
reactor |
thexyz: I've never had any problem with sarcasm, I just think it's fun to return it. |
| 17:42 |
thexyz |
I see |
| 17:42 |
reactor |
OldCoder: 20 worlds is the max number? |
| 17:43 |
us}0gb |
I just noticed that while sapling growth was moved to Lua, junglesapling growth was not. |
| 17:44 |
ShadowNinja |
nore: ^ |
| 17:44 |
nore |
us}0gb, it was too |
| 17:44 |
nore |
except that there is no junglesapling in minimal |
| 17:45 |
OldCoder |
reactor, No... But I may cut back to 10 if the worlds can be merged |
| 17:45 |
OldCoder |
Better large worlds that people visit than small ones that sit there |
| 17:45 |
OldCoder |
This is for fun |
| 17:45 |
reactor |
mk |
| 17:45 |
reactor |
Well, 20 wouldn't be too many for large production systems. |
| 17:45 |
us}0gb |
nore: I just git pulled, and junglesapling growth seems to be in content_abm.cpp. |
| 17:46 |
nore |
where? |
| 17:46 |
reactor |
Would probably reduce maintenance/storage costs. |
| 17:46 |
reactor |
Maybe processing, too. |
| 17:47 |
nore |
us}0gb, it is not in it |
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us}0gb |
nore: Line 100. Unless git messed up and didn't pull correctly. I'll check on GitHub real quickly. |
| 17:47 |
nore |
Line 100: LiquidFreeze(ServerEnvironment *env, INodeDefManager *nodemgr) { } |
| 17:47 |
nore |
(on github) |
| 17:48 |
us}0gb |
... |
| 17:48 |
us}0gb |
Git is messing up then. I just pulled a few minutes ago. |
| 17:48 |
us}0gb |
I'll try pulling again. |
| 17:48 |
nore |
and how could there be junglesaplings but no saplings...? |
| 17:48 |
nore |
it was only 1 function |
| 17:49 |
us}0gb |
The function on my machine makes no references to "sapling", but does have an ABM for "junglesapling". |
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nore |
the function runs for both sapling and junglesapling |
| 17:50 |
nore |
and detects then if junglesapling |
| 17:50 |
nore |
but anyway, it has been removed |
| 17:50 |
us}0gb |
Git messed up. I don't know what happened. |
| 17:50 |
us}0gb |
Sorry for the false alarm. |
| 17:51 |
nore |
np |
| 17:53 |
us}0gb |
I wonder if pulling got messed up because I edited one of the builtin Lua files or something. It might have made commits incompatible or something, then git left them out. |
| 17:57 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: Warr1024 commited to minetest/minetest: Portability fixes for OpenBSD (and possibly NetBSD and others). 2636c92075 2013-11-02T10:41:26-07:00 http://git.io/_TYoDw |
| 17:59 |
us}0gb |
Snow was removed as well? Nice. All the remaining nodes used by the engine are now "default:*" or "mapgen_*". |
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general3214 |
Done with HexChat |
| 18:01 |
nore |
us}0gb, what do you mean snow removed? |
| 18:01 |
nore |
the alias? |
| 18:01 |
nore |
it was for the dirt ABM IIRC |
| 18:01 |
us}0gb |
Yeah. I don't seem to be detecting it in the source any more. |
| 18:02 |
rubenwardy |
What do you guys think about #977? |
| 18:02 |
rubenwardy |
woop |
| 18:03 |
rubenwardy |
s |
| 18:03 |
us}0gb |
rubenwardy: Minetest or minetest_game? |
| 18:03 |
rubenwardy |
minetest |
| 18:03 |
rubenwardy |
in #mt-dev now |
| 18:03 |
nore |
I don't know if it is the best way to do it, but anyway, it is needed |
| 18:04 |
rubenwardy |
going on HL2 now... |
| 18:04 |
us}0gb |
I'm not sure what it is supposed to do. |
| 18:04 |
us}0gb |
Stop the menu lag, but how? |
| 18:05 |
rubenwardy |
async |
| 18:05 |
rubenwardy |
The menu downloads mod listings from forum.minetest.net/mmdb |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Add basic protection support to builtin 06a5eceb81 2013-11-02T11:01:10-07:00 http://git.io/eqnH0Q |
| 18:06 |
us}0gb |
"Async" tells me nothing. I don't understand what that is supposed to do to menu speed, as it still has to load. |
| 18:07 |
reactor |
s/egit/eget/ |
| 18:07 |
nore |
us}0gb, it does it in a separate thread |
| 18:08 |
Evergreen |
Can a core dev approve/disapprove this pull request? https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/197 |
| 18:08 |
us}0gb |
So ... it makes the menu unfreeze, but takes just as long to download the list? THat would make it less annoying, as you could switch away from that tab if it took too long. |
| 18:09 |
ShadowNinja |
Evergreen: Better to ask that in -dev. |
| 18:09 |
Evergreen |
Okay, fine |
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| 18:27 |
kaeza |
bas080, check OCD pulls |
| 18:28 |
bas080 |
kaeza, ok :) |
| 18:29 |
reactor |
OCD, as in, obsessive-compulsive disorder? |
| 18:29 |
kaeza |
the description and context is even larger than the actual patch :P |
| 18:30 |
bas080 |
no matter. errors are not user friendly. Thnx! |
| 18:30 |
bas080 |
reactor, Obsessive Consistent Design |
| 18:30 |
kaeza |
BTW, the tree leaves don't work with fancy trees disabled (they don't show at all) |
| 18:31 |
reactor |
Consistence actually matters. |
| 18:31 |
bas080 |
reactor, imo, yes. |
| 18:31 |
reactor |
kaeza: missing texture for non-transparent? |
| 18:31 |
bas080 |
kaeza, thats not good |
| 18:31 |
reactor |
Or... I might be confusing with Minecraft. |
| 18:31 |
kaeza |
reactor, yes |
| 18:32 |
reactor |
What, confusing? |
| 18:32 |
bas080 |
Are there people playing OCD? There is no server running it... |
| 18:32 |
kaeza |
bas080, I just decided to try it, looks good |
| 18:32 |
kaeza |
I guess it's not publicized enough |
| 18:33 |
kaeza |
:P |
| 18:33 |
bas080 |
kaeza, it needs a server |
| 18:33 |
bas080 |
I don't have the capabilities to run it smoothly. |
| 18:34 |
reactor |
bas080: what is it? |
| 18:35 |
bas080 |
it's a game |
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bas080 |
reactor, very simple grfx so it also runs smoothly on low end pc's |
| 18:36 |
reactor |
oh |
| 18:36 |
reactor |
is it minetest-based |
| 18:36 |
reactor |
? |
| 18:37 |
reactor |
Shit. Why do they put "LF" so close to "/"? |
| 18:38 |
bas080 |
reactor, yes it is. It's not like nyan world which is based on the engine but not on the gameplay |
| 18:38 |
reactor |
hmm |
| 18:40 |
thexyz |
bas080: I can host a server if you want |
| 18:41 |
bas080 |
thexyz, yes plz, I'm up for finding those inconsistencies |
| 18:43 |
thexyz |
okay |
| 18:43 |
reactor |
What kind of inconsistencies, exactly? |
| 18:43 |
bas080 |
It is different in gameplay as it requires power sources to create light and torches burn out. |
| 18:44 |
bas080 |
graphical and bugs |
| 18:45 |
reactor |
Where do you find room for all the wiring? |
| 18:45 |
reactor |
Also, torches burning out would be a problem for pre-made maps. |
| 18:46 |
bas080 |
Yes, but you get about an hour to replace the torches with "electrical" ones before they burn out. |
| 18:47 |
bas080 |
Also they only burnout when within a defined range |
| 18:47 |
PilzAdam |
so you have torches that detect if you are arround and turn themselves off if you walk away? |
| 18:47 |
bas080 |
There are solar panels and coal plants |
| 18:47 |
bas080 |
PilzAdam, no it uses the node timer |
| 18:47 |
bas080 |
Node timer only works in certain range |
| 18:47 |
thexyz |
bas080: it's up now |
| 18:48 |
reactor |
FYI, solar panels that do real power are huge. |
| 18:48 |
reactor |
And need to be installed in the desert. |
| 18:48 |
thexyz |
ocd.minetest.net:33333 |
| 18:49 |
bas080 |
They are a bit buggy as they work when they are in light. Even if the light source is lava |
| 18:50 |
PilzAdam |
IRL solar panels work with all light sources |
| 18:51 |
NekoGloop |
They just work best with solar light, preferrably in a desert. |
| 18:51 |
reactor |
Yes. |
| 18:52 |
reactor |
You probably won't be able to make it produce enough power to power lots of lights in normal climate. |
| 18:55 |
thexyz |
bas080: shall I give you all privs? |
| 18:55 |
thexyz |
I don't think I'll be playing it actively |
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| 18:56 |
thexyz |
but I'll try to keep it up |
| 18:56 |
general3214 |
How do I make a semi-transparent texture? |
| 18:57 |
anunakki |
hi OldCoder |
| 18:57 |
reactor |
that's probably not supported, general3214 |
| 18:57 |
anunakki |
sorry didnt see it earlier |
| 18:57 |
general3214 |
oh okay |
| 18:58 |
OldCoder |
o/ |
| 18:59 |
general3214 |
reactor, I just tried using semi-transparent textures for destroying blocks and it worked |
| 18:59 |
reactor |
Woah. |
| 18:59 |
reactor |
I didn't know. |
| 18:59 |
reactor |
Good. |
| 19:00 |
general3214 |
Here's a screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/wZ9qwbL.png |
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Inocudom |
You here OldCoder? |
| 19:25 |
Inocudom |
I am waiting for either Fess, sfan5, or BlockMen to make a new build of proller's branch. |
| 19:25 |
sfan5 |
I'm busy ATM |
| 19:26 |
proller |
wait, im building new |
| 19:28 |
Inocudom |
You are making a build yourself, proller. You would probably be skilled at that. |
| 19:28 |
proller |
i can make package for freebsd 8) |
| 19:33 |
Inocudom |
Recently, Minetest gained protection support. That, along with locked chests, make Minetest's servers safer than those of Minecraft (which still doesn't even have locked chests.) |
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markveidemanis |
Hi |
| 19:38 |
bas080 |
thexyz, it would be nice to have all privs. Also, i noticed that the version is not the latest. Iĺl be sure to merge and push soon |
| 19:38 |
proller |
but we have lot of unmovable locked chest on maps |
| 19:38 |
us}0gb |
Hello! |
| 19:39 |
markveidemanis |
What was that website that had text you could type on? i remember it had links, teleports,and was made in python |
| 19:39 |
markveidemanis |
text{world} ? |
| 19:39 |
reactor |
Nighty. |
| 19:39 |
us}0gb |
No idea, markveidemanis. |
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sfan5 |
markveidemanis: http://www.yourworldoftext.com/ |
| 19:40 |
markveidemanis |
yea, thanks |
| 19:40 |
markveidemanis |
Now i have a faster pc... |
| 19:40 |
thexyz |
bas080: okay, done |
| 19:41 |
bas080 |
thexyz, ty |
| 19:41 |
proller |
Inocudom, next ready |
| 19:44 |
markveidemanis |
http://www.yourworldoftext.com/~markveidemanis/ ANyone know the song? |
| 19:44 |
Inocudom |
I see. You updated the repository of your next branch. Very exciting. |
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Inocudom |
I wish Minetest had some sort of auto-update function in it (updates a build to current git.) There could be times when it could be a better option. |
| 19:49 |
Inocudom |
The features of the next branch are exciting, like the no server lag one and the slippery function one. |
| 19:50 |
Inocudom |
I don't know if Fess quite understands how to make builds of the next branch yet. Might have to explain it to him more. |
| 19:51 |
Inocudom |
I used the last one he made of it, but in it the content_ignore error appeared frequently. |
| 19:52 |
thexyz |
how could it update itself? |
| 19:54 |
Inocudom |
Sort of in the manner that Xonotic can via an rsync tool? Of course, that process would have to be understood. Maybe somebody in the Xonotic forums knows. Calinou does appear in the Xonotic and Red Eclipse communities. |
| 19:55 |
Inocudom |
I hear that a similar tool could be in the works for Red Eclipse. |
| 19:56 |
Inocudom |
I also hope that oOChainLynxOo will consider testing a build of the next branch sometime. Would make the game run faster on his laptop. |
| 19:57 |
thexyz |
there's no point in making autoupdater for anything other than windows |
| 19:58 |
us}0gb |
If you're on a deb-using system, you could use the unstable PPA. Then just run an update check whenever you feel like updating. |
| 19:59 |
us}0gb |
Or I could send you the script I use for updating (including compilation) from GitHub. |
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OldCoder |
Does anybody have a link to latest NekoGloop Gems mod? |
| 20:07 |
OldCoder |
It is throwing an exception for axedigf not defined; wish to check newest |
| 20:07 |
NekoGloop |
Geez |
| 20:07 |
NekoGloop |
-I- don't even have that. |
| 20:10 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 20:10 |
OldCoder |
So what was axedigf from? |
| 20:10 |
OldCoder |
Hmm |
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OldCoder |
If I post a list of mods would anybody care to say which ones should probably be turned off? |
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| 20:12 |
OldCoder |
http://oldcoder.org/mods.txt |
| 20:12 |
OldCoder |
Opinions on that list linked above are very welcome! |
| 20:12 |
OldCoder |
Please to advise an old coder which mods should be disabled |
| 20:13 |
OldCoder |
For a random world |
| 20:13 |
us}0gb |
Id turn item_drop and item_pickup off, myself. |
| 20:13 |
OldCoder |
t y! |
| 20:14 |
Calinou |
disable all mods but moreblocks, moreores and maptools |
| 20:14 |
* Calinou |
gallops away |
| 20:14 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 20:14 |
us}0gb |
Irc causes crashes on my server, but if it doesn't on yours, I'd keep that on. |
| 20:14 |
OldCoder |
Granted. Towntest is dangerous. Enable that one by one |
| 20:14 |
OldCoder |
ufos ditto |
| 20:15 |
markveidemanis |
good ol' VeideStairs |
| 20:15 |
* markveidemanis |
goes to play Half-Life 2...Again |
| 20:15 |
NekoGloop |
axedigf... |
| 20:15 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, that will be added to specific worlds |
| 20:15 |
OldCoder |
NekoGloop, yep |
| 20:15 |
markveidemanis |
...Completed it Twice |
| 20:15 |
markveidemanis |
ok |
| 20:16 |
us}0gb |
I think the rest could go either way. I'd turn off beds and maybe any mobs, but people will debate on that. Some like them, some don't. |
| 20:16 |
OldCoder |
Yes. Hmm. Some of these probably conflict with each other. |
| 20:16 |
t3o |
in http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Privileges / auth.txt : what kinf of hash is that, md5? |
| 20:16 |
OldCoder |
Does anybody see any major conflicts? |
| 20:16 |
t3o |
kinf / kind |
| 20:16 |
OldCoder |
t3o, I think it was 64 bits |
| 20:16 |
OldCoder |
R |
| 20:17 |
us}0gb |
I don't know those plugins well enough to recognize any conflicts offhand. |
| 20:17 |
OldCoder |
Ah I have forgotten sorry |
| 20:17 |
OldCoder |
us}0gb, t y! |
| 20:17 |
us}0gb |
OldCoder: Wait, node_ownership might conflict with protector, creating spaces no one my edit. |
| 20:18 |
OldCoder |
Yep |
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| 20:18 |
OldCoder |
So which should be default? |
| 20:18 |
t3o |
OldCoder: sha1 (from source) |
| 20:18 |
OldCoder |
Yep |
| 20:18 |
t3o |
sha1 in base64 |
| 20:18 |
t3o |
poor docs |
| 20:18 |
us}0gb |
I like protector better, but that's a matter of preference. |
| 20:18 |
* OldCoder |
remembered 64 |
| 20:18 |
OldCoder |
Can adjust later |
| 20:18 |
OldCoder |
ATM just wish few crashes |
| 20:19 |
OldCoder |
Geez look at all the mesecons |
| 20:19 |
OldCoder |
Wasn |
| 20:19 |
OldCoder |
Wasn't I supposed to delete command block? |
| 20:19 |
markveidemanis |
Anyone know where half life(1) stores configurations on windows? |
| 20:19 |
OldCoder |
Sorry no |
| 20:19 |
us}0gb |
Yeah ... I like that it's modularized, but the textures should be in the rest of the plugins, not having their own separate module. |
| 20:20 |
OldCoder |
/opt/minetest047/share/minetest/mods/gates/init.lua:252: attempt to call method 'register_on_signal_change' (a nil value) |
| 20:21 |
markveidemanis |
old mesecons? |
| 20:21 |
us}0gb |
Maybe that's a legacy mesecons function? If not, I don't know. |
| 20:21 |
Inocudom |
You have such a script for Windows? |
| 20:21 |
OldCoder |
I updated mesecons recently. I'll check gates. |
| 20:22 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 20:22 |
OldCoder |
NekoGloop, that is one of yours again! Any comment? |
| 20:22 |
us}0gb |
Windows? Sorry, I have no idea how to compile on Windows, so I can't build a script for that. |
| 20:22 |
Inocudom |
You are active in this community again, OldCoder. |
| 20:22 |
OldCoder |
Inocudom, only off and on |
| 20:22 |
OldCoder |
I must revive the worlds |
| 20:23 |
OldCoder |
I will work on them one to three times a month |
| 20:23 |
Inocudom |
I don't know if a script could be built for compiling on Windows. |
| 20:23 |
Inocudom |
Has anyone seen Jeija lately? I have not. |
| 20:24 |
NekoGloop |
OldCoder, mesecons updated |
| 20:24 |
us}0gb |
No compilation scripts? How depressing. |
| 20:25 |
OldCoder |
NekoGloop, should I patch gates? |
| 20:25 |
NekoGloop |
dunno |
| 20:25 |
OldCoder |
Well, thanks regardless |
| 20:25 |
OldCoder |
If I drop gates, what else will break? |
| 20:25 |
* OldCoder |
asks the world |
| 20:27 |
t3o |
I bet there's a definition of dependencies in each mod. search the other mods for this dependency |
| 20:27 |
* sfan5 |
's new conways game of life algorithm is 1400 microsecs faster than the simple one |
| 20:29 |
t3o |
OldCoder: minetest$ grep -inH gates mods/*/depends.txt |
| 20:29 |
sfan5 |
!seen Jeija |
| 20:29 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: jeija was last seen at 2013-10-27 06:09:07 UTC on #minetest |
| 20:29 |
OldCoder |
t3o ty |
| 20:29 |
sfan5 |
^ Inocudom |
| 20:29 |
t3o |
OldCoder: or.. I did not understand your intention :) |
| 20:29 |
OldCoder |
t3o, Just seeing if gates can be made not to crash |
| 20:29 |
OldCoder |
The *author* is here and does not know |
| 20:29 |
t3o |
:) |
| 20:30 |
Inocudom |
What did t3o do? |
| 20:30 |
t3o |
I wonder how the example line about auth.txt in doc/mapformat.txt can be reproduced. that's never a base64 encoded sha1sum |
| 20:30 |
OldCoder |
Which animals should be turned off? |
| 20:30 |
t3o |
Inocudom: me? nothing |
| 20:30 |
sfan5 |
Inocudom: I mean the message by MinetestBot |
| 20:31 |
Inocudom |
Oh. |
| 20:33 |
OldCoder |
Are these broken or do people use them: Concrete, Desert Uses? And whose Craft Guide is up to date? |
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| 20:37 |
markveidemanis |
Gates? |
| 20:37 |
markveidemanis |
The block or the nodebox> |
| 20:37 |
markveidemanis |
I have a copy that i edited a while ago |
| 20:37 |
markveidemanis |
there are wood and steel ones, they fill up a whole block |
| 20:39 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, it is broken due to mesecons |
| 20:39 |
OldCoder |
gates ^ |
| 20:39 |
OldCoder |
gems too |
| 20:39 |
OldCoder |
|
| 20:39 |
markveidemanis |
Yes, i had a version |
| 20:39 |
OldCoder |
What animals or mobs would people disable? And Mark share any updates you have |
| 20:40 |
markveidemanis |
sure |
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| 20:41 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, did you say to drop poison ivy? |
| 20:41 |
markveidemanis |
It works for me(my version) I have also edited a lot of mods to optimize them, i will give you the modpack i wish to be added for my server |
| 20:41 |
markveidemanis |
but gates are priority 1 :P |
| 20:41 |
markveidemanis |
http://www.sendspace.com/file/7c4wd2 |
| 20:42 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: only if you don't want it |
| 20:42 |
us}0gb |
Don't drop poison_ivy. Poison_ivy is awesome. |
| 20:42 |
us}0gb |
It's simple, sure, but it adds a lot of beauty. |
| 20:42 |
OldCoder |
Good! |
| 20:42 |
markveidemanis |
all my mods are : 6.54 MB (6,864,896 bytes) on disk |
| 20:42 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, that is fine but I need help with just getting going again |
| 20:42 |
markveidemanis |
3.27 MB (3,430,317 bytes) True Size |
| 20:43 |
OldCoder |
There is probably going to be a mess |
| 20:43 |
markveidemanis |
It's light |
| 20:43 |
OldCoder |
As nobody seems quite sure of what to do |
| 20:43 |
OldCoder |
|
| 20:43 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, that is fine |
| 20:43 |
OldCoder |
Got good versions of gates gems and any other mods |
| 20:43 |
markveidemanis |
my mods are nicely organized into folders, i suggest you do the same |
| 20:43 |
OldCoder |
That are PORTABLE to other worlds? |
| 20:43 |
OldCoder |
Hm? |
| 20:43 |
OldCoder |
That is not the issue! |
| 20:43 |
OldCoder |
The issue is that mods are out of sync |
| 20:43 |
markveidemanis |
tweaks/inventory plus, creative |
| 20:43 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, Got good versions of gates gems and any other mods |
| 20:43 |
markveidemanis |
Oh |
| 20:44 |
markveidemanis |
gems... |
| 20:44 |
markveidemanis |
I will see |
| 20:44 |
markveidemanis |
can't do that much atm because i've got this massive installer window covering up my screen |
| 20:44 |
OldCoder |
oh well |
| 20:45 |
markveidemanis |
Now it tells me to reboot... |
| 20:45 |
markveidemanis |
If it dares... |
| 20:45 |
markveidemanis |
done |
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| 20:47 |
OldCoder |
13:44:58: ERROR[main]: ...minetest047/share/minetest/mods/bobblocks/blocks.lua:678: attempt to call method 'register_on_signal_on' (a nil value) |
| 20:47 |
OldCoder |
Is there a general approach to fixing that issue? |
| 20:47 |
OldCoder |
It affects multiple mods and I'll try to patch if somebody will offer approach |
| 20:48 |
markveidemanis |
Could i get a zip? |
| 20:49 |
markveidemanis |
of the mods you have |
| 20:49 |
OldCoder |
WHen they are working yes |
| 20:49 |
OldCoder |
Or at least sorted |
| 20:49 |
OldCoder |
Can anybody comment on this register_on_signal_on issue? Affects multiple mods |
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| 20:51 |
markveidemanis |
remove that and just have on_punch |
| 20:51 |
OldCoder |
Wait |
| 20:54 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, any thoughts on register_on_signal_change in gates? |
| 20:54 |
markveidemanis |
Could you pastebin the code? |
| 20:55 |
markveidemanis |
I will do what i can |
| 20:55 |
markveidemanis |
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ln6fj8 My Mods |
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| 20:55 |
OldCoder |
Hmm |
| 20:55 |
OldCoder |
Wait this is odd |
| 20:55 |
OldCoder |
My copy of blocks.lua has added register_on_signal_on |
| 20:56 |
OldCoder |
It has supposedly been patched for the new API. Why is it failing? Hold on |
| 20:56 |
markveidemanis |
i need some organisation help |
| 20:57 |
markveidemanis |
I have Games(gmod, openarena, orbiter files, etc) In documents and Minetest, Minecraft and OSes in /Downloads |
| 20:57 |
markveidemanis |
How should i move them? |
| 20:57 |
OldCoder |
|
| 20:57 |
OldCoder |
One moment |
| 20:57 |
OldCoder |
http://oldcoder.org/bobblocks.zip |
| 20:57 |
OldCoder |
I am puzzled... the function is defined |
| 20:57 |
OldCoder |
Reviewing your question now |
| 20:58 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, can you clarify your question? I do not understand it |
| 20:58 |
markveidemanis |
I need to organize files and folders into different directories |
| 20:58 |
markveidemanis |
I have to organize: |
| 20:58 |
markveidemanis |
Games, Minetest, Minecraft, Oses |
| 20:58 |
markveidemanis |
I have Documents and Downloads |
| 20:59 |
markveidemanis |
How can i keep downloads clear and still have it make some sense? |
| 20:59 |
OldCoder |
Mark I am not clear |
| 20:59 |
OldCoder |
You would create |
| 20:59 |
OldCoder |
a different tree |
| 20:59 |
OldCoder |
Outside of those two |
| 20:59 |
OldCoder |
I do not understand the issue |
| 20:59 |
OldCoder |
Something like |
| 20:59 |
OldCoder |
/files/this |
| 20:59 |
OldCoder |
/files/that |
| 20:59 |
OldCoder |
? |
| 21:00 |
markveidemanis |
Like General/Os/Linux |
| 21:00 |
markveidemanis |
Categories |
| 21:01 |
markveidemanis |
testing bobblocks |
| 21:03 |
markveidemanis |
This would be difficult for the games :P |
| 21:03 |
markveidemanis |
Are games documents? |
| 21:03 |
markveidemanis |
So Programming/Python is py? |
| 21:05 |
markveidemanis |
Windows... |
| 21:06 |
markveidemanis |
Because network won't work with lubuntu, ubuntu, kubuntu or xubuntu |
| 21:06 |
markveidemanis |
lubuntu, u* and k* dont even install |
| 21:06 |
PilzAdam |
why does network not work? |
| 21:07 |
markveidemanis |
xubuntu does not have drivers for TP-LINK TL-WDN3200 network usb card |
| 21:08 |
markveidemanis |
There is a package but that crashes the whole system after a random amount of time or after opening firefox |
| 21:08 |
PilzAdam |
that sucks, the standard installation needs network access |
| 21:08 |
markveidemanis |
or store |
| 21:08 |
markveidemanis |
It doesnt, i can do without but no updates either |
| 21:10 |
PilzAdam |
have you tried this: http://skralljt.info/?p=1065 ? |
| 21:12 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, look at line 678 of bobblocks/blocks.lua - is that a definition or a call? |
| 21:12 |
OldCoder |
I thought it was a definition but it is being treated as a call to a nonexistent routine |
| 21:13 |
markveidemanis |
Thats the bit i deleted :P |
| 21:13 |
markveidemanis |
Have i not uploaded it? |
| 21:14 |
markveidemanis |
delete line 673 onwards |
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| 21:16 |
markveidemanis |
Stop Spammers has stopped 941 spammers since 2013/10/29. haha |
| 21:16 |
markveidemanis |
Two legit ones |
| 21:16 |
OldCoder |
markveidemanis, all of the rest of the file? |
| 21:16 |
markveidemanis |
yep |
| 21:16 |
OldCoder |
Thank you |
| 21:17 |
OldCoder |
Any thoughts on gates? |
| 21:17 |
OldCoder |
Or gems? |
| 21:17 |
OldCoder |
gates the issue is: |
| 21:17 |
OldCoder |
/opt/minetest047/share/minetest/mods/gates/init.lua:252: attempt to call method 'register_on_signal_change' (a nil value) |
| 21:18 |
OldCoder |
For gems the issue is use of axedigf which is nil value |
| 21:21 |
markveidemanis |
do the same |
| 21:21 |
markveidemanis |
Delete the bit which uses it |
| 21:21 |
markveidemanis |
Unless you want mesecons to make it work, in which case i have no idea |
| 21:30 |
nore |
OldCoder, that is with really old mesecons versions (almost a year now) |
| 21:30 |
OldCoder |
nore thank you |
| 21:30 |
OldCoder |
any suggestions about gates or gems? |
| 21:30 |
nore |
the mod needs to be rewritten |
| 21:30 |
nore |
anyway, gtg, bbl |
| 21:30 |
OldCoder |
So, no patch for gates? markveidemanis provided one for bobblocks |
| 21:30 |
OldCoder |
nore ty |
| 21:31 |
nore |
I don't even know what it is |
| 21:31 |
nore |
but I must go now |
| 21:32 |
OldCoder |
see you! |
| 21:32 |
OldCoder |
14:29:39: ERROR[main]: Error loading mod "unifiedbricks": LuaError: Number of registerable nodes (4096) exceeded (unifiedbricks:multicolor_light_lime) |
| 21:32 |
* OldCoder |
sighs |
| 21:32 |
OldCoder |
This may take a few months |
| 21:32 |
OldCoder |
So... do I drop unifiedbricks? |
| 21:32 |
OldCoder |
nore BTW ty means thank you; acknowledging your contribution and bidding you adieu |
| 21:33 |
OldCoder |
anybody have thoughts on unifiedbricks? |
| 21:34 |
VanessaE |
why drop unified bricks? |
| 21:34 |
VanessaE |
works fine on my server |
| 21:34 |
VanessaE |
oh that's been fixed, OldCoder |
| 21:35 |
OldCoder |
So update unifiedbricks? |
| 21:35 |
VanessaE |
latest git allows > 4096 nodes by default now. |
| 21:35 |
VanessaE |
latest minetest git I mean |
| 21:35 |
VanessaE |
but your will have to tell your users to use a git build also, there's some incompatibilities between git and 0.4.7-stable when > 4096 nodes are being used. |
| 21:39 |
OldCoder |
git client? |
| 21:39 |
OldCoder |
Hmm |
| 21:39 |
OldCoder |
So old clients will crash? |
| 21:40 |
OldCoder |
I need to rest a few minutes. Is there any way to fix unifiedbricks for old clients? May omit it just temporarily. |
| 21:40 |
* OldCoder |
is resting |
| 21:42 |
us}0gb |
I think stable clients fail to connect. I know my stable client refuses to connect to VanessaE's place. It doesn't crash, it just acts like it can't find the server. |
| 21:42 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: it in't unified bricks, |
| 21:42 |
VanessaE |
it's the fact that you have more than 4096 nodes defined. |
| 21:43 |
VanessaE |
unified bricks is just pushing you over that limit. |
| 21:43 |
VanessaE |
the two solutions are to remove some mods, or update to current git |
| 21:43 |
VanessaE |
the change in question went in just yesterday |
| 21:44 |
VanessaE |
I favor updating to current git - 0.4.8-stable will be out soon anyway |
| 21:46 |
us}0gb |
32767 nodes .... I'm going to try to hit that limit. It will take a bit of time though. |
| 21:46 |
VanessaE |
us}0gb: someone already tried that. it took a matter of several seconds to register all the nodes, but it worked :) |
| 21:46 |
VanessaE |
nothing special about it in fact :) |
| 21:47 |
us}0gb |
I did use a loop to hit 4096. |
| 21:47 |
VanessaE |
I wonder how many my game has defined, in actuality? |
| 21:47 |
us}0gb |
I mean take a while to code 32767 legitimate nodes though. And come up with the ideas for them. |
| 21:47 |
VanessaE |
oh yeah |
| 21:48 |
VanessaE |
on a new map, btw, the limit can be something like 0xFFFC or something :) |
| 21:48 |
VanessaE |
(if you adjust mapnode.h) |
| 21:50 |
us}0gb |
Why the C, and not 0xFFFF? THere will be no unknown nodes to deal with. |
| 21:50 |
us}0gb |
And that's not much space for unknows anyway. |
| 21:50 |
us}0gb |
*unknowns |
| 21:51 |
us}0gb |
Three ... Are you accounting for air, unknown, and ignore? THose are withing the limit, not without. |
| 21:51 |
us}0gb |
*within |
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| 21:52 |
us}0gb |
In my testing, I hit the custom node limit at 4096 nodes, only 4093 were defined by me. |
| 21:52 |
VanessaE |
holy shit on a shingle! 7194 nodes on my survival server now! |
| 21:52 |
us}0gb |
Nice. |
| 21:53 |
VanessaE |
vanessarainbird:~$ cat .minetest/debug.txt |grep "NodeDefManager: registering content"|cut -f 2- -d " "|sort|uniq|wc |
| 21:53 |
VanessaE |
7194 50358 703983 |
| 21:53 |
us}0gb |
No wonder you needed the limit raised. |
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| 21:53 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, I am reviewing |
| 21:54 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, does latest git both fix this issue and support LevelDB? |
| 21:54 |
VanessaE |
yes and yes |
| 21:55 |
VanessaE |
us}0gb: only 1807 nodes to go. |
| 21:55 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, and tradeoff is that old clients will break *sigh* |
| 21:55 |
OldCoder |
Correct? |
| 21:55 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: yeah, but old clients can be updated. |
| 21:55 |
us}0gb |
Maybe I should just build off your game .... (just kidding though) |
| 21:56 |
VanessaE |
us}0gb: if you want to, go for it! :) |
| 21:56 |
us}0gb |
I think it would result in a better game, but would also result in me learning less. |
| 21:56 |
* VanessaE |
pushes an update to the game to her online storage |
| 21:56 |
OldCoder |
git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest.git |
| 21:57 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, that is current git; correct? |
| 21:57 |
OldCoder |
With both LevelDB and the nodes change? |
| 21:57 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: yep |
| 21:57 |
us}0gb |
I'll just continue defining them myself, and try to better my skills. |
| 21:57 |
OldCoder |
Old clients may connect but also crash? |
| 21:57 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: old clients just can't connect. |
| 21:57 |
us}0gb |
It also gives me a reason to make pulls to the engine. |
| 21:57 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, :-( |
| 21:58 |
OldCoder |
I will need to verify that I can build Windows clients still |
| 21:58 |
OldCoder |
I don't suppose the latest git fixes the Ambience download speed issue |
| 22:00 |
OldCoder |
14:57:31: ACTION[main]: MOD: mob_npc mod version 0.0.14 loaded |
| 22:00 |
OldCoder |
PANIC: unprotected error in call to Lua API (bad argument #3 (table expected, got nil)) |
| 22:00 |
OldCoder |
Hmm |
| 22:00 |
OldCoder |
Mobs are part of Animals, aren't they? |
| 22:00 |
OldCoder |
Should I disable NPC? |
| 22:01 |
VanessaE |
no, probably not, but there is some code by kahrl that will help once it goes in |
| 22:01 |
OldCoder |
Interesting; xmas mod has the same error |
| 22:02 |
OldCoder |
Is there a fix today for NPC? |
| 22:02 |
VanessaE |
probably won't be until after 0.4.8 goes out. |
| 22:02 |
OldCoder |
If not I'll disable to proceed |
| 22:02 |
VanessaE |
I don't know about the NPCs. probably best to disable them |
| 22:02 |
OldCoder |
Hmm |
| 22:02 |
OldCoder |
cow has same error |
| 22:02 |
OldCoder |
So git breaks animals? |
| 22:02 |
VanessaE |
doubtful |
| 22:02 |
OldCoder |
This is September Git |
| 22:02 |
OldCoder |
But cow has same error |
| 22:02 |
VanessaE |
september? too old. |
| 22:03 |
OldCoder |
Fine |
| 22:03 |
OldCoder |
I wanted to test this today... so disabled unifiedbricks temporarily |
| 22:03 |
VanessaE |
um, it's trivial to git pull and build |
| 22:03 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 22:04 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, Not the issue... I don't wish to update core until I verify I can build a Windows client. I guess I'll try that now. |
| 22:04 |
VanessaE |
oh ok |
| 22:04 |
VanessaE |
you can always point others to the various unofficial builds also |
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| 22:06 |
Wuzzy2 |
What is a cobblestone generator? |
| 22:07 |
VanessaE |
Wuzzy2: an arrangement of lava, water, and some kind of containing block such as dirt or glass that causes the water and lava to flow together and generate cobblestone. |
| 22:07 |
us}0gb |
Highly useful things, those. |
| 22:08 |
us}0gb |
In case you ever run out of cobble. |
| 22:08 |
VanessaE |
gloopblocks overrides this behavior to produce basalt, pumice, or obsidian |
| 22:08 |
Wuzzy2 |
are water or lava infinite in such a generator? |
| 22:08 |
VanessaE |
only if the map and game have infinite liquids. |
| 22:08 |
VanessaE |
usually yes |
| 22:09 |
Wuzzy2 |
so it is possible to generate infinite cobblestone |
| 22:09 |
us}0gb |
Correct. |
| 22:09 |
VanessaE |
mmhmm |
| 22:10 |
Wuzzy2 |
in the default mod I see the renewable flag is on for water but not for lava |
| 22:10 |
Wuzzy2 |
So that would mean as soon as I run out of lava my generator is done |
| 22:10 |
us}0gb |
Right ... That's a sucky alteration made recently. |
| 22:10 |
Wuzzy2 |
and I have to find new lava |
| 22:10 |
VanessaE |
yup. |
| 22:11 |
us}0gb |
But that's only the source. The flowing is infinite. |
| 22:11 |
PilzAdam |
Wuzzy2, no, since flowing lava is still infinite |
| 22:11 |
Wuzzy2 |
aaah |
| 22:11 |
Wuzzy2 |
this is how it works! |
| 22:11 |
PilzAdam |
otherwise it would be infinite obsidian |
| 22:11 |
Wuzzy2 |
okay then cobblestone is infinitely renewable :) |
| 22:11 |
us}0gb |
Correct. |
| 22:12 |
Wuzzy2 |
88.71.149.15 was right. |
| 22:12 |
Wuzzy2 |
Hmmmm |
| 22:12 |
Wuzzy2 |
when I think about it ... |
| 22:12 |
us}0gb |
IP addresses often are right. |
| 22:12 |
Wuzzy2 |
this sounds awesome |
| 22:12 |
Wuzzy2 |
i mean the generator |
| 22:12 |
Wuzzy2 |
MAYBE this deserves a wiki page |
| 22:13 |
Wuzzy2 |
just MAYBE |
| 22:13 |
Wuzzy2 |
I am not sure wheather to include game strategies into the wiki as well |
| 22:13 |
PilzAdam |
or just look it up in the minecraft wiki |
| 22:13 |
us}0gb |
s/wiki/wikipedia/ |
| 22:13 |
Wuzzy2 |
or just the bare facts |
| 22:13 |
Wuzzy2 |
In case you didnt noticed, I am a wiki editor :P |
| 22:13 |
PilzAdam |
Id prefere bare facts, unlike the MC wiki which has tutorials and stuff |
| 22:13 |
Wuzzy2 |
minecraft wiki wtf |
| 22:14 |
Wuzzy2 |
Minetest is NOT Minecraft |
| 22:14 |
PilzAdam |
its not?!?!! |
| 22:14 |
PilzAdam |
and I thought I was coding on MC all the time... |
| 22:14 |
Wuzzy2 |
YA RLY! |
| 22:14 |
us}0gb |
That explains SO much, PilzAdam. |
| 22:15 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 22:15 |
Peacock |
*warning* sarcasm detected |
| 22:15 |
PilzAdam |
btw, the wiki should get a structure to serve the "multiple games" system better |
| 22:15 |
us}0gb |
Yeah, I'm having a laughing fit on the other side of the Internet. |
| 22:16 |
Wuzzy2 |
hmmm I have no idea how this structure should look like |
| 22:16 |
Wuzzy2 |
atm the wiki is minetest_game centric |
| 22:17 |
Wuzzy2 |
which is not bad because minetest_game is nowhere else documented afaik |
| 22:17 |
Wuzzy2 |
theoretically the wiki allows entries about other mods |
| 22:17 |
Wuzzy2 |
you just have to add the word “mods†and a bunch of slashes into the the article name |
| 22:18 |
Wuzzy2 |
maybe the convention for other games/subgames could be like that |
| 22:18 |
Wuzzy2 |
But it would look ugly I guess. |
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| 22:18 |
Wuzzy2 |
games/minetest_game/Desert Sand |
| 22:18 |
Wuzzy2 |
instead of just “Desert Sand†|
| 22:20 |
us}0gb |
That sounds good to me. |
| 22:20 |
Wuzzy2 |
Actually I think a lot of writing for minetest_game is boring repetivite work |
| 22:20 |
Wuzzy2 |
crafting recipes, node properties |
| 22:20 |
Wuzzy2 |
all that technical stuff |
| 22:20 |
Wuzzy2 |
it could all be automated |
| 22:20 |
Wuzzy2 |
in theory |
| 22:20 |
Peacock |
spend more time coming up with unique recipes than writing the code around them lol |
| 22:21 |
us}0gb |
Wuzzy2: If someone cared to automate that, it could be done from the Lua sources. |
| 22:21 |
Wuzzy2 |
I know but so far nobody bothered to do so xD |
| 22:22 |
us}0gb |
Today I automated the scraping of the C++ sources for the node names used by the engine. I imagine the same could be done for the Lua source, though parsing recipes would be more difficult. |
| 22:22 |
us}0gb |
If the wiki had a Lua/Minetest environment, it would be easy. |
| 22:23 |
Wuzzy2 |
this sounds great |
| 22:23 |
us}0gb |
I can try to automate it through Minetest, but that would mean automating the sending of requests to the wiki. |
| 22:24 |
us}0gb |
I don't know the wiki's setup, or how to automate such requests. |
| 22:25 |
us}0gb |
Also there's the wiki's parsing format. I imagine it doesn't use XHTML. |
| 22:25 |
Wuzzy2 |
maybe it would be easier to drop the data into an offline data format. |
| 22:26 |
us}0gb |
I can drop it as offline data in XHTML format for sure. |
| 22:26 |
Wuzzy2 |
this is a very good start =) |
| 22:27 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, anybody; is there a link that will help to set up a current buildbot framework? |
| 22:27 |
OldCoder |
I will merge with my own tweaks |
| 22:28 |
us}0gb |
Hmm. I think this could be very worth my time, too. I plan to make a huge game and documenting it. If I could automate the process for minetest_game, that automation would apply to my project as well. |
| 22:28 |
VanessaE |
I use my own scripts for building minetest, but only for linux. |
| 22:29 |
VanessaE |
john_minetest: dunno, they're broken for me. |
| 22:30 |
Wuzzy2 |
us}0gb, what features exactly do you want to cover? |
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| 22:32 |
sfan5 |
good night everyone |
| 22:32 |
us}0gb |
Wuzzy2: Every feature that is not stupid or related to entities (as entities are buggy at the moment). |
| 22:32 |
us}0gb |
Good night, sfan5. |
| 22:33 |
Wuzzy2 |
Are you telling me that Minetest has stupid features? :O |
| 22:33 |
Wuzzy2 |
xD |
| 22:33 |
us}0gb |
Wuzzy2: The main purpose of my game is to provide me with a way to learn the API better. |
| 22:33 |
us}0gb |
Wuzzy2: Yes, some of the features are very stupid. |
| 22:34 |
Wuzzy2 |
Which ones are you talking about? |
| 22:35 |
us}0gb |
I can't think of any in the API offhand, though I think I saw some. Minetest itself has some though, such as the camera jerk when taking damage in lava. |
| 22:36 |
us}0gb |
And the feature that loads all player files in RAM, even when none of those players are logged in. |
| 22:37 |
Wuzzy2 |
Ouch. |
| 22:38 |
us}0gb |
Yeah. I think it's a Windows compatibility fix too, from what I can tell. |
| 22:38 |
us}0gb |
s/fix/workaround/ |
| 22:39 |
us}0gb |
But it caries it's hackiness over to the other system's builds as well. |
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| 22:47 |
us}0gb |
Assuming I use a plugin called "mapgen" to add the mapgen nodes, would it be cleaner to define a node as (for example) mapgen_apple, or define it as mapgen:apple and alias mapgen_apple to it? |
| 22:58 |
harrison |
what has huge shoes and lives in a test tube? |
| 23:00 |
us}0gb |
I have no idea, harrison. |
| 23:11 |
ShadowNinja |
us}0gb: I don't think the registration functions accept nodenames withoua a colon. |
| 23:11 |
ShadowNinja |
without* |
| 23:12 |
us}0gb |
ShadowNinja: I'd prefix them with a colon to bypass the enforcer. |
| 23:13 |
us}0gb |
That method is used for registering "air" and such. |
| 23:17 |
ShadowNinja |
mapgen:node sounds like the better way. |
| 23:18 |
us}0gb |
Okay, I'll do that then. Thanks for the advice! |
| 23:21 |
OldCoder |
ShadowNinja, VanessaE others... I built a Win32 MT client from latest git. As that worked I will now update servers to latest git and continue with mods. |
| 23:22 |
VanessaE |
excellent |
| 23:23 |
us}0gb |
Nice. |
| 23:23 |
OldCoder |
This is likely to take the rest of the year. But we will see. I want Mauvebic to help me get his world to run again. And VanessaE I'd love to see what you have been up to. |
| 23:23 |
VanessaE |
naw, you'll have it done sooner than that. |
| 23:23 |
OldCoder |
I can't work every day on it... Maybe every other weekend at this point |
| 23:24 |
OldCoder |
But we will see |
| 23:25 |
OldCoder |
Sokomine, If you see this later, I am proceeding. Remember that you promised to try to make a ZIP of something for me. |
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PilzAdam |
wow, pilztest has over 100 commits now |
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* sdzen |
blows on kazoo and plays applause track for PilzAdam |
| 23:54 |
harrison |
bozo the clone |
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