| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
dafull97 |
ShadowNinja, ^ |
| 00:00 |
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| 00:05 |
dafull97 |
VanessaE, you can do clustering with Ethernet alone? |
| 00:06 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 00:06 |
VanessaE |
it's unideal, but possible. |
| 00:08 |
dafull97 |
what do you normally use? |
| 00:11 |
VanessaE |
well I don't cluster, but I just have gigE between the two PCs |
| 00:11 |
VanessaE |
I used to use distcc if that matters : |
| 00:11 |
VanessaE |
:P |
| 00:12 |
dafull97 |
English please? hahaha, explain |
| 00:12 |
dafull97 |
=) please |
| 00:12 |
VanessaE |
gigE: gigabit ethernet. distcc: distributed C compiler, for using multiple PCs to compile stuff |
| 00:13 |
dafull97 |
ok, thanks... havnt used alot of C/C++ and i thought gigE meant that, wasnt sure |
| 00:14 |
VanessaE |
sure |
| 00:14 |
dafull97 |
will python be good for networking and all, im wanting to be network admin or Network Engineer when i get out of high school and college |
| 00:15 |
OldCoder |
dafull97, Yes |
| 00:15 |
OldCoder |
dafull97, You must learn several other languages too |
| 00:16 |
OldCoder |
dafull97, Perl PHP5 Python HTML5 CSS3 JS some Java and a few others |
| 00:16 |
OldCoder |
Many are very similar |
| 00:16 |
dafull97 |
yes, i am working on it |
| 00:16 |
OldCoder |
Good |
| 00:16 |
kahrl |
network admin in a unix environment? bash is probably what you'll be encountering most |
| 00:16 |
dafull97 |
Oldcoder you know about clustering and you in networking |
| 00:16 |
kahrl |
or some other shell |
| 00:17 |
dafull97 |
OldCoder, ^^ |
| 00:23 |
* dafull97 |
is going afk for a few mins |
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| 00:30 |
dafull97 |
ok im back |
| 00:31 |
dafull97 |
VanessaE, can you do me a favor |
| 00:32 |
VanessaE |
hm? |
| 00:33 |
dafull97 |
will you tell me the last board i was talking about? i got on a different computer |
| 00:35 |
VanessaE |
https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A20/A20-OLinuXino-MICRO/open-source-hardware |
| 00:35 |
VanessaE |
you were leaning toward that one over the RPi. |
| 00:35 |
dafull97 |
thanks, yes i know |
| 00:35 |
dafull97 |
i couldnt remember the name totally |
| 00:35 |
Menche |
you can look at the chat history at http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/today |
| 00:36 |
dafull97 |
ohh, yea i forgot that |
| 00:42 |
dafull97 |
VanessaE, Clustering shares video cards? or no? |
| 00:42 |
Megaf |
dafull97, Hi there |
| 00:42 |
Exio4 |
i hate reallife |
| 00:42 |
Exio4 |
why is it so busy |
| 00:43 |
dafull97 |
Megaf, what up? got some questions for you... =) |
| 00:43 |
Megaf |
ok |
| 00:43 |
Megaf |
shoot |
| 00:43 |
Megaf |
=) |
| 00:44 |
dafull97 |
so your the one with the raspberry pi servers correct? |
| 00:44 |
Megaf |
yep |
| 00:44 |
Megaf |
dafull97, VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7603 |
| 00:45 |
VanessaE |
dafull97: it could share video computing resources e.g. GPGPU/OpenCL or whatever it's called, if the clustering software allows for it, but not general video card performance. |
| 00:48 |
dafull97 |
so if i conneted a monitor to the master would it have better video performance, such as video memory? |
| 00:49 |
Megaf |
dafull97, ok, lets start from the begiining |
| 00:49 |
Megaf |
what do you want? |
| 00:49 |
dafull97 |
im thinking about getting a board like raspberry pi, https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A20/A20-OLinuXino-MICRO/open-source-hardware and cluster them together and use as minetest server |
| 00:50 |
VanessaE |
dafull97: no, it would not, unless the program you are running is CPU-bound AND capable of full multi-threading. |
| 00:50 |
dafull97 |
mpi, would that be one? |
| 00:50 |
VanessaE |
but as a minetest server, it would be mostly pointless |
| 00:50 |
Megaf |
dafull97, not worth it |
| 00:50 |
VanessaE |
the server is not multi-threaded enough to work well under those conditions |
| 00:50 |
troller |
dafull97, will ok with 0 players |
| 00:51 |
dafull97 |
troller, stop... |
| 00:51 |
troller |
stop what? |
| 00:51 |
Megaf |
dafull97, use a single Raspberry, it will do really ok with 6 players |
| 00:51 |
Megaf |
using the minimal game |
| 00:51 |
Megaf |
dafull97, join to my server and see for yourself |
| 00:51 |
troller |
i use odroid. ant its ok with lisuid_finite=1 ;) |
| 00:51 |
dafull97 |
i cant right at the moment but i will later |
| 00:52 |
dafull97 |
Megaf, why would it not be worth clustering? |
| 00:52 |
EvergreenTree |
New mod: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7637 |
| 00:52 |
EvergreenTree |
\o/ |
| 00:52 |
Megaf |
dafull97, clusters doesnt work like that |
| 00:52 |
VanessaE |
dafull97: because the server is not multithreaded enough to work for that. |
| 00:52 |
Megaf |
dafull97, and minetest server is not really multithread yet |
| 00:53 |
dafull97 |
ok so it would work that good? |
| 00:53 |
Megaf |
it depends on what you want |
| 00:53 |
Megaf |
whats your objective |
| 00:53 |
Menche |
it would probably only be able to use the one master board |
| 00:53 |
Megaf |
and if you have an objective |
| 00:53 |
VanessaE |
a good cluster needs to have more network bandwidth between its nodes than what any two random processes could possibly want to use to send data to one another, and the program must be fully multithreaded. |
| 00:53 |
harrison |
everybody wants to rule the world |
| 00:54 |
VanessaE |
Megaf: to run a fast server on minimal hardware. |
| 00:54 |
Megaf |
fast is relative, |
| 00:54 |
Megaf |
Raspberry Pi is pretty fast for minetest server, really responsive |
| 00:54 |
Megaf |
up to 6 players and with the minimal game |
| 00:55 |
Megaf |
that the 256 MB of ram version and without overclock |
| 00:55 |
Menche |
would probably run minetest-classic even better |
| 00:56 |
ShadowNinja |
EvergreenTree: What do you use to generate the bedrock layer? My bedrock mod? |
| 00:57 |
dafull97 |
Megaf, idk... i need some time to think... haha |
| 00:57 |
EvergreenTree |
Just minetest.register_ore |
| 00:57 |
EvergreenTree |
I did it from scratch |
| 00:57 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: proller github.com commited to minetest/minetest: Masterserver show privs and js autoload 4a8a50a2a2 2013-11-03T16:56:39-08:00 http://git.io/xaE44w |
| 00:57 |
ShadowNinja |
EvergreenTree: And the screenshot doen't seem to show anything specific to the mod. |
| 00:57 |
Menche |
what's the purpose of blocking digging below -1000? |
| 00:57 |
EvergreenTree |
There isn't anything specific |
| 00:58 |
EvergreenTree |
The sword has a larger wieldview |
| 00:58 |
ShadowNinja |
EvergreenTree: Mine is better. :-) It uses the VM. And it generates at -30914, the limit. |
| 00:58 |
EvergreenTree |
You can place logs with 6d facedir |
| 00:58 |
troller |
Menche, if using indev - more huge caves |
| 00:59 |
Megaf |
I little help would be much appreciated on my rpi server to build a castle |
| 00:59 |
EvergreenTree |
I'll add something to settings.txt so you can configure how low the layer is |
| 00:59 |
Menche |
troller, EvergreenTree's game *blocks* digging below -1000 |
| 00:59 |
EvergreenTree |
IT's not a game, its a mod |
| 00:59 |
dafull97 |
is minecraft multithreaded? |
| 00:59 |
Megaf |
dafull97, so you want a server that burns little energy and costs little money |
| 00:59 |
EvergreenTree |
And like I said, I'll add a setting for that later |
| 00:59 |
Megaf |
thats it? |
| 00:59 |
dafull97 |
yea, basically |
| 00:59 |
VanessaE |
EvergreenTree: ah so you liked that lib_6d code eh? :) |
| 01:00 |
EvergreenTree |
Yep[ |
| 01:00 |
EvergreenTree |
*Yep |
| 01:00 |
Megaf |
dafull97, you can use Raspberry Pi yes, |
| 01:00 |
VanessaE |
just saw your 'tweaks' post |
| 01:00 |
Megaf |
the one with 512 MB of ram |
| 01:00 |
dafull97 |
i was thinking https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A20/A20-OLinuXino-MICRO/open-source-hardware |
| 01:00 |
dafull97 |
1gb ram |
| 01:00 |
dafull97 |
and cheaper |
| 01:00 |
Megaf |
dafull97, then put a Class 10 SDCard and a fast USB thumb drive |
| 01:01 |
Megaf |
dafull97, thats cheap |
| 01:01 |
dafull97 |
the board? |
| 01:01 |
EvergreenTree |
Anything you dislike about minetest, I'll try and make a fix for it in my mod |
| 01:01 |
Megaf |
dafull97, yep |
| 01:01 |
EvergreenTree |
*minetest_game |
| 01:01 |
dafull97 |
Megaf, ik |
| 01:02 |
dafull97 |
Megaf, that why i want it.... and i was gonna get 2 and cluster it |
| 01:02 |
Megaf |
well, just forget about cluster |
| 01:02 |
dafull97 |
it would help to have experiance too... im wanting to get into networking after college |
| 01:02 |
harrison |
EvergreenTree: can you make it raytraced instead of rasterized? |
| 01:03 |
Megaf |
if you want cluster, then you need a 64 bit server with gigabit ethernet |
| 01:03 |
EvergreenTree |
No, something I can do in a mod. :P |
| 01:03 |
dafull97 |
64-bit? why 64-bit? |
| 01:03 |
troller |
btw big help to old hardware = https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/895/files |
| 01:05 |
Megaf |
troller, now we just need an easy way to use that |
| 01:05 |
troller |
its already here https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7033 |
| 01:10 |
troller |
building minetest +minetestserver on odroid x2: real 6m13.652s |
| 01:10 |
troller |
|
| 01:10 |
troller |
show me pi result 8) |
| 01:19 |
Peacock |
pi result http://i500.listal.com/image/1189040/500full.jpg |
| 01:24 |
EvergreenTree |
Hey VanessaE, what would you suggest for a mid range CPU? (less than 130 USD) |
| 01:24 |
VanessaE |
I wouldn't know, to be honest. |
| 01:24 |
VanessaE |
my Phenom II X6 1055T was inexpensive enough |
| 01:24 |
VanessaE |
but I got it as part of a package deal |
| 01:25 |
EvergreenTree |
Does it server you pretty well? |
| 01:25 |
EvergreenTree |
*serve |
| 01:25 |
VanessaE |
oh yes, for the most part quite well |
| 01:25 |
VanessaE |
it's only where Minetest is involved that it sometimes lacks a bit :P |
| 01:25 |
EvergreenTree |
What problems did you have with it? |
| 01:25 |
VanessaE |
best to start at pricewatch, http://www.pricewatch.com/cpu/ |
| 01:26 |
VanessaE |
the only problems I ever have are all software-related. you know, inefficient code and the like :) |
| 01:30 |
EvergreenTree |
Would you say an Intel Core i3-3220 would be a good choice? |
| 01:30 |
VanessaE |
I'm afraid I couldn't say at all |
| 01:30 |
EvergreenTree |
OR would the amd phenom be better? |
| 01:30 |
EvergreenTree |
hmm |
| 01:30 |
EvergreenTree |
Anyone have an intel core i3? |
| 01:31 |
* ShadowNinja |
has a i5. |
| 01:32 |
ShadowNinja |
"Phenom" is far too unsecific, some of those will be better than some i7s, some worse than some i3s. |
| 01:32 |
ShadowNinja |
(Assuming you've decided on sandy/ivy bridge if you chose intel) |
| 01:33 |
VanessaE |
he's comparing to my Phenom II X6 1055T I guess |
| 01:33 |
troller |
20 bots on odroid, ant it still playable |
| 01:33 |
ShadowNinja |
Um, I think yours is better... |
| 01:33 |
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| 01:34 |
ShadowNinja |
troller: Maybe commit the lag redistribution patch? |
| 01:34 |
troller |
i'm ready |
| 01:34 |
EvergreenTree |
VanessaE, what kind of software problems did you have? |
| 01:35 |
VanessaE |
EvergreenTree: nothing I could blame on the hardware. |
| 01:35 |
EvergreenTree |
Okay, good |
| 01:35 |
VanessaE |
I was trying to make a joke that Minetest tends to be slow in places :) |
| 01:37 |
EvergreenTree |
Ah |
| 01:38 |
troller |
slowest part now is mapgen |
| 01:39 |
troller |
but slill playable if not use fast |
| 01:39 |
troller |
who have ipv6 - can try |
| 01:40 |
troller |
my server at top 8) |
| 01:40 |
EvergreenTree |
sfan5, update your incorrectly formated mod topic |
| 01:40 |
EvergreenTree |
*I mean, run your bot that finds incorrectly formated topics and reports them |
| 01:45 |
ShadowNinja |
EvergreenTree: +1 |
| 01:45 |
OldCoder |
R |
| 01:45 |
OldCoder |
Sorry I missed his question |
| 01:46 |
OldCoder |
I have so many channels I no longer see highlighting |
| 01:46 |
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| 01:48 |
ShadowNinja |
OldCoder: Use tab view is you aren't already and enable notifications/beeps. |
| 01:48 |
ShadowNinja |
if* |
| 01:48 |
OldCoder |
Tab View doesn't work for 70 tabs though? |
| 01:48 |
OldCoder |
And sound not applicable if come and go from PC |
| 01:49 |
OldCoder |
We need an IRC client that displays tabs at the top |
| 01:49 |
OldCoder |
based on criteria |
| 01:49 |
OldCoder |
Maybe I can patch one |
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| 02:26 |
EvergreenTree |
Lol, I go onto ##hardware and I almost get torn limb from limb by the guy who stole my nick |
| 02:27 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 02:27 |
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| 02:28 |
VanessaE |
have you tried complaining to freenode staff? |
| 02:28 |
VanessaE |
noting he registered the nick only 20 hours ago |
| 02:29 |
EvergreenTree |
They thought I was a troll, and I stole his nick |
| 02:29 |
EvergreenTree |
almost got into a flamewar |
| 02:29 |
EvergreenTree |
Nah, not really worth it |
| 02:31 |
EvergreenTree |
lol, didn't notice OldCoder was on #hardware |
| 02:31 |
OldCoder |
Hi! |
| 02:31 |
OldCoder |
I am not there |
| 02:32 |
OldCoder |
Is there an OldCoder in #hardware? |
| 02:32 |
* OldCoder |
is confused |
| 02:32 |
EvergreenTree |
Yes |
| 02:32 |
OldCoder |
! |
| 02:32 |
* OldCoder |
joins #hardware |
| 02:32 |
OldCoder |
There is only me |
| 02:32 |
* OldCoder |
remains confused |
| 02:34 |
VanessaE |
## |
| 02:35 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, ? |
| 02:35 |
* OldCoder |
is even more confused |
| 02:35 |
VanessaE |
I believe he means ##hardware |
| 02:35 |
OldCoder |
No |
| 02:35 |
VanessaE |
two #'s |
| 02:35 |
OldCoder |
I see him in #hardware |
| 02:36 |
VanessaE |
oh |
| 02:37 |
OldCoder |
No you are correct |
| 02:38 |
OldCoder |
There is a ##hardware and I see people I know there |
| 02:38 |
OldCoder |
But only one of me and I have been online for nearly 10 hours |
| 02:38 |
OldCoder |
As the nick is registered, I am not sure how he could have seen "me" there |
| 02:39 |
* VanessaE |
shrugs |
| 02:41 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: there are plantlife and farming_plus updates you will need to pull in btw |
| 02:45 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, I will do so with alacrity |
| 02:45 |
OldCoder |
Who has farming_plus now, again? |
| 02:46 |
VanessaE |
pilzadam does, but somehow I've been elected to maintain it :) |
| 02:46 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/PilzAdam/farming_plus.git |
| 02:46 |
VanessaE |
er, maybe you want the ssh link. gitgithub.com:PilzAdam/farming_plus.git |
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| 02:48 |
dafull97 |
hey |
| 02:49 |
ShadowNinja |
https is better for just pulling as no certs are needed. |
| 02:49 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 02:49 |
ShadowNinja |
Hello. |
| 02:52 |
dafull97 |
Does minecraft support multithread? |
| 02:52 |
VanessaE |
no clue; minetest does but only to a limited degree |
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zat |
It is dangerous walking around here alone, take one of these: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1456625_254627107994426_964071069_n.jpg |
| 02:59 |
dafull97 |
VanessaE, clustering would that share RAM usage? |
| 03:00 |
VanessaE |
dafull97: to a degree, but just forget about it :) |
| 03:00 |
VanessaE |
zat: ha! are those pokémon at the bottom? :) |
| 03:01 |
zat |
yes those are called pokémon lol |
| 03:01 |
dafull97 |
nah, im wanting it to use both devices RAM so it would be like 1 machine some what |
| 03:01 |
VanessaE |
dafull97: forget it. it ain't worth the effort. |
| 03:01 |
dafull97 |
well im wanting experience in it for later |
| 03:02 |
dafull97 |
if i could manage to do that i could have a 2gb ram server for minetest would make awesome performance |
| 03:02 |
VanessaE |
it won't work for minetest |
| 03:02 |
VanessaE |
it isn't multithreaded enough |
| 03:03 |
ShadowNinja |
dafull97: Um, 2gb doesn't mean "awesome performance". |
| 03:04 |
dafull97 |
ik, but compared to a 512mg ram |
| 03:04 |
ShadowNinja |
dafull97: It might even be slower because of the netio. |
| 03:04 |
VanessaE |
indeed not. I have 16GB on my machine and that doesn't really help the servers much at all |
| 03:04 |
dafull97 |
i have 30mbps |
| 03:04 |
VanessaE |
(it's helpful for the client though) |
| 03:04 |
dafull97 |
i would make with 1gb eth |
| 03:04 |
VanessaE |
nope |
| 03:04 |
VanessaE |
you need CPU power, and a lot of it. |
| 03:04 |
ShadowNinja |
dafull97: That has nothing to do with the connection between nodes, unless they will be in different locations. |
| 03:05 |
VanessaE |
that means a single, fast processor perhaps with 2-4 cores. |
| 03:06 |
ShadowNinja |
dafull97: Point is: Well... that this is pointless. |
| 03:07 |
dafull97 |
why would it be pointless? i honestly dont understand why... not trying sound mean, etc. |
| 03:07 |
dafull97 |
just wondering |
| 03:07 |
ShadowNinja |
dafull97: Because it won't be faster. In fact it will be slower. |
| 03:09 |
us_0gb |
Did I just flash off the network for a bit? |
| 03:09 |
VanessaE |
us_0gb: nope |
| 03:10 |
dafull97 |
ShadowNinja, can you please explain like why it would be? |
| 03:10 |
us_0gb |
Hmm. I seem to have on the other IRC network. I also lost connection to my meeting during a critical argument. |
| 03:10 |
ShadowNinja |
dafull97: I cannot parse that sentence. |
| 03:11 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: why would it be slower with a cluster, he means. |
| 03:11 |
dafull97 |
yes ^^ |
| 03:11 |
ShadowNinja |
dafull97: Because of NetIO. |
| 03:14 |
dafull97 |
true, but it would give it more RAM, and it would still be processing on the master? |
| 03:15 |
VanessaE |
it doesn't work like that. |
| 03:15 |
VanessaE |
programs have to send data to one another and to RAM, and that takes upwards of hundreds of megabytes/second to a few gigs a second. |
| 03:15 |
VanessaE |
that's something a network device just can't do. |
| 03:15 |
us_0gb |
There's this thing called a bottle neck. If one part of the system is too limiting, it doesn't matter how well the rest of the system works. |
| 03:16 |
dafull97 |
ohhh, ok i see so not enoguh cpu power to do that effiently? |
| 03:16 |
us_0gb |
Lots of RAM, no way to send enough data to it to actually make use of the RAM. |
| 03:17 |
dafull97 |
efficiently* |
| 03:17 |
VanessaE |
dafull97: not enough network bandwidt |
| 03:17 |
us_0gb |
I don't know the situation, but I don't think it has to do with the CPU. |
| 03:17 |
VanessaE |
gig ethernet can only sustain 100MB/sec and that's if you can keep it full. |
| 03:18 |
dafull97 |
really??? i tohught it could contain 1gb... since it is a gig eth, hahaha.... welll that is odd |
| 03:19 |
VanessaE |
gigaBIT. not gigabyte. |
| 03:19 |
dafull97 |
ohhh, hahaha i always wondered what the difference was |
| 03:19 |
VanessaE |
the rule of thumb is 10 bits to one byte (including network overhead) |
| 03:19 |
dafull97 |
ok... |
| 03:20 |
VanessaE |
(though on modern networks it's very close to 8:1) |
| 03:20 |
dafull97 |
so it isnt worth if you jsut do 2 clustered together |
| 03:20 |
VanessaE |
nope |
| 03:20 |
VanessaE |
even if you had 10 of them it wouldn't be worth it. |
| 03:20 |
us_0gb |
It could be a fun experiment though, if you just want to learn to cluster. |
| 03:21 |
dafull97 |
idk about that VanessaE, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLJuJw1eN94 |
| 03:21 |
VanessaE |
clustering is intended for applications where all processes being spawned consume roughly equal resources - say a rendering job. |
| 03:21 |
ShadowNinja |
But Minetest isn't a good app to test it with. |
| 03:21 |
VanessaE |
"three node supercomputer" |
| 03:21 |
VanessaE |
hah |
| 03:21 |
us_0gb |
Yeah, probably not Minetest. |
| 03:21 |
VanessaE |
no. |
| 03:22 |
dafull97 |
they named it that becasue they now have over 60 |
| 03:22 |
dafull97 |
that was a project they worked on |
| 03:22 |
dafull97 |
look at the performance differance between 1 and 3 |
| 03:23 |
VanessaE |
no need. |
| 03:23 |
VanessaE |
supercomputing/clustering only works well for applications designed for it, |
| 03:23 |
dafull97 |
ok, so it wouldnt share ram? |
| 03:23 |
VanessaE |
that's why Pixar runs a render "farm". they have a bunch of PC's running the same software, all of them clustered together to get the job done much faster |
| 03:23 |
VanessaE |
no. |
| 03:24 |
VanessaE |
I forget, how big is their farm now? |
| 03:24 |
VanessaE |
12,500 CPU cores. |
| 03:25 |
dafull97 |
wow! |
| 03:25 |
dafull97 |
dang |
| 03:25 |
VanessaE |
uh huh. and they run software that's designed to scale like that |
| 03:25 |
dafull97 |
so what is clustering used for mostly now |
| 03:25 |
VanessaE |
so it takes full advantage. |
| 03:25 |
VanessaE |
stuff like that ^^^^, or foldinghome, or compiling, etc. |
| 03:27 |
VanessaE |
almost anything where you can divide a job up into discrete units that don't depend on one another and don't require a lot of cross-communication could benefit. Minetest is not one of those things. |
| 03:28 |
dafull97 |
so it would be best just to stick with buying one with suffient ram itself |
| 03:28 |
VanessaE |
you could hand off a thousand frames of a movie to a thousand separate cores, for example, and let each core render that frame, then collate the results. Keep feeding frames to cores as they become idle. |
| 03:28 |
VanessaE |
you need CPU power, not RAM. |
| 03:28 |
VanessaE |
512MB is enough, |
| 03:29 |
VanessaE |
what you need is a single, very fast CPU with 2 or so cores. |
| 03:29 |
dafull97 |
would a Raspberry pi or * https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A20/A20-OLinuXino-MICRO/open-source-hardware * |
| 03:29 |
dafull97 |
be faster and better for minetest/minecraft server |
| 03:30 |
VanessaE |
buy both and see which performs better? |
| 03:31 |
VanessaE |
turn the other into a router or something :P |
| 03:32 |
Exio4 |
VanessaE: about the threaded part, there are a lot of things that could be "threadized" but the job for doing that is.. way too big |
| 03:32 |
VanessaE |
yep I know |
| 03:32 |
VanessaE |
the eternal problem with SMP :-/ |
| 03:32 |
Exio4 |
nope |
| 03:32 |
VanessaE |
nope? |
| 03:33 |
Exio4 |
it is because the program wasn't thought was a "multithreaded one" |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
eh, well maybe |
| 03:33 |
Menche |
would making it perform better on more cores make it perform worse on a single core machine? |
| 03:33 |
dafull97 |
yea i might, Megaf raspberry pi performs nicely im on his server now |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
but some problems just can't be divided up reasonably. |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
Menche: probably not enough to become visible |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
modern OS's are pretty good at delegating processes to cores |
| 03:33 |
Exio4 |
Menche: the overhead would be too small |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
(or to one core) |
| 03:36 |
Exio4 |
i'm pretty c55 never thought about minetest being played for more than two guys in nonwhere that he knew |
| 03:36 |
Exio4 |
pretty sure* |
| 03:36 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 03:36 |
Exio4 |
no? :P |
| 03:36 |
VanessaE |
no. :) |
| 03:37 |
Exio4 |
did he say, some time ago, "I will make the minecraft-like game, with modding support and in C++!"? |
| 03:38 |
VanessaE |
idk, I wasn't here :) |
| 03:38 |
VanessaE |
but I'm pretty sure he had some idea that people would use it :) |
| 03:38 |
Exio4 |
was k4hrl the one that coded the lua-support? |
| 03:38 |
* VanessaE |
pokes kahrl |
| 03:38 |
Exio4 |
nah |
| 03:38 |
Exio4 |
bad girl, it was just curiosity and lazyness from my side :P |
| 03:39 |
Exio4 |
for not looking around |
| 03:39 |
VanessaE |
hah |
| 03:39 |
VanessaE |
I ain't afraid to ping him. He has the option of not answering :) |
| 03:41 |
kahrl |
nah, c55 coded it, I just moved over the crafting recipes |
| 03:42 |
Exio4 |
really? |
| 03:43 |
kahrl |
almost :p |
| 03:48 |
kahrl |
I did code the whole itemdef/craftdef manager and stuff like that but adding the lua interpreter was c55 |
| 03:49 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, It look like I'm using Zeg9's farming plus ATM. Will things break if I continue to use that one? |
| 03:49 |
Exio4 |
ah |
| 03:50 |
Peacock |
farming ATM... money that grows on trees? wicked! :D |
| 03:50 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 03:54 |
VanessaE |
yes, things will break. |
| 03:54 |
VanessaE |
use pilzadam's. |
| 03:55 |
Peacock |
but be sure to buy him dinner and a movie before using him :P |
| 03:55 |
VanessaE |
a function it depends on was changed in minetest_game's farming. pilzadam's has the fix, zeg9's does not. |
| 03:55 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 03:56 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, t y |
| 03:56 |
us_0gb |
Does anyone here know how Minetest weather works? |
| 03:57 |
* VanessaE |
pokes troller |
| 03:57 |
VanessaE |
he does ;) |
| 03:57 |
Peacock |
black magic i suspect :p |
| 03:57 |
us_0gb |
Okay, thanks! I'll make a note to ask him next time I see him. |
| 03:58 |
us_0gb |
Peacock: More specifically, I need to know what to do about weather, and how to make use of it. Not the literal method in which it works. |
| 03:58 |
us_0gb |
Most computers run using black magic. That's common knowledge. |
| 03:58 |
Peacock |
i think you need to have finite on |
| 03:59 |
VanessaE |
us_0gb: and magic smoke ;) |
| 03:59 |
dafull97 |
VanessaE, i may go ahead and get 2 boards and cluster them and use them for several things |
| 03:59 |
us_0gb |
Finite? As in finite liquid? Drats. No weather for me then. |
| 03:59 |
dafull97 |
then build them up to i get like 30, haha |
| 03:59 |
VanessaE |
us_0gb: at any rate it depends on an extra mod, and yes finite lquids I think. |
| 03:59 |
dafull97 |
maybe host one as a router/DCHP |
| 04:00 |
Peacock |
no need for router/dchp, IP-over-pidgeon is the wave of the future |
| 04:00 |
us_0gb |
VanessaE: I'm writing the modules though. Most of the ones I'm using. Needing extra code won't be an issue if I know what needs to be added. |
| 04:01 |
us_0gb |
Any idea why weather would depend on liquid finateness? It seems to involve freezing and melting. |
| 04:01 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/proller/minetest-mod-weather/tree/weather |
| 04:01 |
VanessaE |
you need that |
| 04:01 |
VanessaE |
plus the engine patches |
| 04:02 |
VanessaE |
and you have to turn it on in your config also |
| 04:02 |
VanessaE |
(the feature, not the mod) |
| 04:02 |
us_0gb |
The copy I'm developing on is from sometime today, though not the latest. |
| 04:03 |
VanessaE |
probably best to use proller's "next" fork |
| 04:03 |
VanessaE |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7033 |
| 04:04 |
* dafull97 |
is about to goto sleep |
| 04:04 |
us_0gb |
Hmm. I'm trying to make something that will be used on main Minetest. Would developing with a fork be helpful to that? |
| 04:04 |
Peacock |
goto's are not permitted |
| 04:04 |
us_0gb |
Good night, dafull97. |
| 04:04 |
OldCoder |
dafull97, Night. dafull97 You had a question for me earlier? |
| 04:04 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, Zeg9 suggests his craft guide is much improved over others. But he notes... |
| 04:05 |
OldCoder |
that it will leave unknown blocks |
| 04:05 |
VanessaE |
us_0gb: it might, because his patches will probably go into mainline sooner or later, though when is uncertain. |
| 04:05 |
OldCoder |
Is there consensus about whether or not to use Zeg9 craft guide? |
| 04:05 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: well I use Unified Inventory, which has a crafting guide also |
| 04:05 |
Peacock |
which craft guide works da best? |
| 04:05 |
dafull97 |
OldCoder, i did, are you in networking |
| 04:06 |
us_0gb |
Cloud hight? That's settable? I need to fix my cosmic module then, it assumes the default height. |
| 04:06 |
VanessaE |
us_0gb: idk, is it? |
| 04:06 |
VanessaE |
last I knew that was a client-side feature only? |
| 04:07 |
us_0gb |
THat module you linked me to uses it. THough then again, that doesn't make it a real setting, necessarily. |
| 04:07 |
VanessaE |
hm, maybe it works now :) |
| 04:07 |
OldCoder |
dafull97, I have done a lot of networking projects |
| 04:07 |
OldCoder |
And I am working on a Cloud Service presently |
| 04:08 |
OldCoder |
I started in networking, technically, about 37 years ago |
| 04:08 |
us_0gb |
VanessaE: According to the example conf, yeah, it's a client setting. I don't know why a server module would be using it. |
| 04:08 |
VanessaE |
maybe proller implemented it |
| 04:08 |
dafull97 |
OldCoder, really? could you help me in networking? i asked VanessaE already but the more help the better |
| 04:08 |
OldCoder |
dafull97, what is it that you need? |
| 04:08 |
OldCoder |
A basic understanding? Not too difficult |
| 04:09 |
OldCoder |
I believe you can code network scripts in Lua |
| 04:09 |
OldCoder |
as well as Perl and Python |
| 04:09 |
dafull97 |
OldCoder, well, in overall just assistance if i need it |
| 04:10 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: he wants help with outside-of-minetest network e.g. hardware/driver level |
| 04:10 |
OldCoder |
Driver level? Huh |
| 04:10 |
dafull97 |
yes, and coding networks itself... =D |
| 04:10 |
OldCoder |
All the way down to registers? |
| 04:11 |
us_0gb |
It doesn't make sense to use that setting though, as a single client/server machine could want different settings. |
| 04:11 |
OldCoder |
dafull97, Big field. Ask questions later on if they occur to you. |
| 04:11 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: he wants to cluster two or more Raspberry Pis together |
| 04:11 |
OldCoder |
Ah! |
| 04:11 |
us_0gb |
Client settings should not interfere with what the server is doing. |
| 04:11 |
OldCoder |
I will not be much use with that |
| 04:11 |
OldCoder |
But dafull97 feel free to ask about TCP/IP and server client in general |
| 04:11 |
VanessaE |
us_0gb: I can see an argument for it: different planet, different limit to cloud altitude, ergo different actual placement of them |
| 04:12 |
dafull97 |
OldCoder what is your input on 2 pi clustered together to make RAM usage shared? |
| 04:12 |
us_0gb |
VanessaE: Yes, but that should be a separate setting. |
| 04:12 |
VanessaE |
I'd like to see an option to disable clouds entirely and replace them with a moving image of some kind |
| 04:13 |
Menche |
don't only specially made programs benefit from clusters |
| 04:13 |
VanessaE |
(e.g. a static image that is slowly scrolled over the sky, e.g. a rendering of clouds rather than blocky clouds) |
| 04:13 |
us_0gb |
For example, cloud_hight and server_cloud_hight. |
| 04:13 |
VanessaE |
Menche: yes, generally. |
| 04:13 |
Peacock |
you can disable clouds, tho not replace them |
| 04:14 |
OldCoder |
dafull97, I know little of portable devices. THis is off-topic but there are others who will comment. PM please. |
| 04:15 |
OldCoder |
dafull97, I have PMd |
| 04:22 |
us_0gb |
Hmm. Whether isn't what it seemed to be. I think I'll leave it out. |
| 04:23 |
Peacock |
*weather |
| 04:23 |
Peacock |
:P |
| 04:23 |
Peacock |
(i get the two mixed up as well XD) |
| 04:23 |
us_0gb |
Nothing can freezemelt at 0 degrees? That's odd, considering that's water's freezemelt temperature. |
| 04:24 |
us_0gb |
Peacock: My apologies. Spell check doesn't catch when I spell the wrong word but I spell it correctly. |
| 04:24 |
Peacock |
thats why i often get it wrong too lol |
| 04:25 |
us_0gb |
Ha ha, nice. |
| 04:25 |
us_0gb |
I've always had issues with spelling. About a year ago though, I learned why. |
| 04:25 |
Peacock |
lysdexic? |
| 04:25 |
us_0gb |
We tactile learners are just naturally bad at spelling. |
| 04:26 |
us_0gb |
I'm slightly dyslexic as well, but that's a separate issue for me. |
| 04:26 |
Peacock |
im more photographic than oral learner |
| 04:27 |
Peacock |
takes me a tenth of the time to learn something reading about it that sitting in a classroom |
| 04:27 |
us_0gb |
If I recall, my oral learning scores were low. |
| 04:27 |
Peacock |
i also detested anything to do with languages or the arts lol |
| 04:28 |
Peacock |
which, let's face it, leads to a career of teaching languages or the arts lol |
| 04:28 |
us_0gb |
Everything is an art. Even science is an art. |
| 04:28 |
Peacock |
well art is pretty suggestive, but in science, every question only has 1 answer |
| 04:28 |
Peacock |
*subjective |
| 04:28 |
Peacock |
not suggestive lol |
| 04:29 |
us_0gb |
Well, some art is pretty suggestive. Have you seen the Greek sculptures? |
| 04:29 |
Peacock |
yeah but that's pron lol |
| 04:29 |
us_0gb |
Technically, no. |
| 04:29 |
Peacock |
i meant to say art can be interpreted many different ways lol |
| 04:30 |
us_0gb |
It's just the beauty of the human body, in stone form. |
| 04:30 |
Peacock |
yeah ive seen pics of it, never been to greece tho |
| 04:30 |
Peacock |
seems to guys were last in line when god was handing out the equipment lol |
| 04:30 |
Peacock |
*those |
| 04:31 |
* dafull97 |
is going to bed... |
| 04:31 |
us_0gb |
*Zeus |
| 04:33 |
Peacock |
in any case the notion that you can grade someone's art or their interpretation of it seemed ridiculous to me in school, thats why i hated it lol |
| 04:33 |
Peacock |
at most, you can grade someone on their knowledge of art history |
| 04:35 |
OldCoder |
Peacock, Representational art... |
| 04:35 |
OldCoder |
They graded based on the ability to follow conventional rules |
| 04:36 |
OldCoder |
So not Art really per se but mechanics |
| 04:36 |
Peacock |
well i dont know how that would work with modern and postmodern art lol |
| 04:36 |
us_0gb |
Postmodern? That sounds like future art. |
| 04:36 |
Peacock |
postmodern art started around the 70s |
| 04:37 |
OldCoder |
It would not work |
| 04:38 |
OldCoder |
Too limiting |
| 04:38 |
OldCoder |
And every era believes that it is post-modern |
| 04:38 |
OldCoder |
We are always the cutting edge; the ones who are different and special |
| 04:39 |
Peacock |
since when have artists not self-aggrandized lol |
| 04:39 |
us_0gb |
No one is special. We all are replaceable, and will be replaced when they inevitably die. |
| 04:40 |
Peacock |
you could say everyone is unique, but special implies better than the rest |
| 04:41 |
Peacock |
tho treating every kid as special since the 90s' firmly convinced me not to have any lol |
| 04:42 |
* Menche |
wonders what will come after "postmodern" |
| 04:43 |
Peacock |
depends what state society's in |
| 04:44 |
us_0gb |
Menche: Post-postmodern. |
| 04:44 |
Peacock |
bedpostmodern lol |
| 04:44 |
us_0gb |
Peacock: No children? Nice, me neither, but mostly for other reasons. |
| 04:44 |
Peacock |
interesting read if you ignore the source: http://www.atlassociety.org/why_art_became_ugly |
| 04:45 |
Menche |
who names "eras" anyway... and who decides how long eras are, lol |
| 04:45 |
us_0gb |
As an asexual, the process of child creating ... is more than I want to deal with. |
| 04:45 |
Peacock |
could still adopt, though i dont know what youre chances would be being single |
| 04:45 |
us_0gb |
Slim, yeah. |
| 04:46 |
Peacock |
i just dont want any kids lol |
| 04:46 |
Peacock |
even if you raise em right, they'd still pick up the habits of all the other kids |
| 04:47 |
OldCoder |
us_0gb, But we tell ourselves that we are special |
| 04:47 |
us_0gb |
I sort of want children, to raise them right and better the world, but it seems like it would be such a hassle. I think I'll be happier without them. |
| 04:48 |
us_0gb |
OldCoder: Yes, most people tell themselves they're special, but that doesn't make it true. |
| 04:48 |
Peacock |
well the way the world is going, they might resent you for it lol |
| 04:48 |
OldCoder |
us_0gb, Of course. That is the point. |
| 04:49 |
us_0gb |
The children would resent me for raising them? |
| 04:49 |
* OldCoder |
looks forward to upgrading more worlds soon |
| 04:49 |
OldCoder |
g2g |
| 04:49 |
Peacock |
no for bringing them into the world lol |
| 04:50 |
Peacock |
they'll probably be working longer, earning less, paying more for everything, and paying high taxes |
| 04:50 |
Peacock |
*higher |
| 04:50 |
Peacock |
yeah i can get a cheaper TV made in china than what my parents could back in the day, but on the flipside, i'll be paying a heckuvalot more for a house to put it in |
| 04:53 |
Peacock |
and while our parents could keep the same appliances for 20 years, we're lucky now if they last the warranty lol |
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| 04:56 |
paramat |
Peacock, new commit with perlin-varied size and persistence, ores still very simple https://github.com/paramat/asteroid |
| 04:56 |
Peacock |
are you gonna make more changes? if so i should wait |
| 04:57 |
paramat |
yes more changes coming |
| 04:57 |
paramat |
no more SNOOFF, but a new parameter ICET heh |
| 04:58 |
Peacock |
ICET sounds like isset :P |
| 04:58 |
paramat |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice-T |
| 05:00 |
Peacock |
sweet, i love law and order lol |
| 05:02 |
paramat |
i renamed dust to 'regolith', also, it now completely covers the stone, instead of being patchy |
| 05:03 |
Peacock |
well im gonna have to change a few things anyhow, which is why im thinking of modularizing the whole thing at my end |
| 05:03 |
Peacock |
so all i need to swap out in the ongen module |
| 05:04 |
us_0gb |
Peacock: I am unable to bring them into the world, I can only (maybe) adopt. |
| 05:04 |
ShadowNinja |
paramat: 1) Use proper git commits, not just v1, v2, v3, etc. 2) Use the LVM, 0.4.8 will be released soon and it will take time to learn. |
| 05:04 |
* paramat |
also doesnt want kids |
| 05:05 |
Peacock |
cuz i use the asteroid dust for two things: in the kiln for terracotta, and smelting to obtain silica and then kiln glass with it |
| 05:08 |
paramat |
ShadowNinja, i thought commit messages could be anything, are version numbers not allowed? Also, i have already learnt LVM and new perlin map functions, just waiting for 0.4.8 stable :) |
| 05:09 |
ShadowNinja |
paramat: Commits are designed for individual concepts, eg, "Cache settings". Tags are designed for versions and the like. |
| 05:10 |
us_0gb |
paramat: I'm holding off too, though I want to use that Settings() feature pretty badly. Even if not for its intended purpose. |
| 05:10 |
ShadowNinja |
Git *works* with commits like that. But that isn't really the way it's designed to be used. |
| 05:11 |
paramat |
okay thanks, still a git newbie |
| 05:11 |
Peacock |
dont worry, 3 years and i still have no clue how it works lol |
| 05:11 |
ShadowNinja |
us_0gb: What Settings() abuse do you have in mind? |
| 05:12 |
us_0gb |
ShadowNinja: I use it to parse some information out of map_meta.txt. Chunk size, water level, and I think one other thing. |
| 05:13 |
ShadowNinja |
paramat: The docs at git-scm.com and the "Pro Git" book on it are helpfull. |
| 05:13 |
us_0gb |
Information I need to know to set my modules correctly. |
| 05:13 |
ShadowNinja |
us_0gb: Ah, that should be fine. |
| 05:14 |
us_0gb |
Yeah, I'm not using it maliciously, just not for its intended purpose of module-based configuration files. |
| 05:14 |
paramat |
thanks SN |
| 05:15 |
ShadowNinja |
YW. |
| 05:15 |
us_0gb |
ShadowNinja: I might also use it to store player currency, and some other non-configuration things. |
| 05:15 |
us_0gb |
Just because it would be easier. |
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ShadowNinja |
us_0gb: minetest.serialize, or serialize_json(if we get it) sounds better for that. -- If it doesn't need to be human-readable that is. |
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| 05:17 |
ShadowNinja |
That way you can add other data like tables. |
| 05:17 |
us_0gb |
Better how? And no, it probably does not need to be human readable. |
| 05:18 |
us_0gb |
The amount of money player ShadowNinja has doesn't need to be represented as a table. |
| 05:19 |
us_0gb |
I wouldn't know how to represent it that way if I tried. THough I could put it in a table, I guess. |
| 05:19 |
ShadowNinja |
Yes, but you can later store data other than money in the file. |
| 05:32 |
paramat |
Peacock, possibly useful ... see my 'spacetime' mod for code that sets and fixes time to midnight, hopefully custom skies come in 0.4.8 and you wont need it |
| 05:32 |
Peacock |
what i did was easier: /set -n time_speed 0 and /time 0 |
| 05:32 |
reactor |
paramat: there is already a setting that fixes time. |
| 05:33 |
reactor |
Yes, that, Peacock. |
| 05:33 |
reactor |
Orthogonality is good. |
| 05:33 |
Peacock |
aiight, i got a smelter for seperating ores, a forge for making ingots, an assembler (5x5 workbench) and a kiln for making glass/terracota... anything missing? lol |
| 05:34 |
paramat |
wow cool |
| 05:34 |
Peacock |
probably a protein/chemical synthesizer, ill need that for chemical lights and batteries |
| 05:35 |
reactor |
Protein batteries? That's something new. |
| 05:35 |
Peacock |
and an algea-pod for making food (algea paste) |
| 05:35 |
Peacock |
chemical batteries :P |
| 05:35 |
Peacock |
sortof star-trekish replicator, cuz there's no other way i can think of coming up with chemicals |
| 05:35 |
paramat |
i want to make 'air' nodes drownable and have moonrealm-mod type breathable atmosphere nodes |
| 05:35 |
Peacock |
i dont want pools of liquid in asteroids lol the mess and all |
| 05:36 |
reactor |
I still wonder why people still use non-reghargeable batteries. |
| 05:36 |
reactor |
s/still w/w/ |
| 05:36 |
reactor |
s/gh/ch/ |
| 05:36 |
Peacock |
i was thinking of making the air drownable too, tho im saving that for last since historically, the airgen bit was the trickiest |
| 05:36 |
reactor |
Does space mod also remove gravity? |
| 05:36 |
paramat |
certainly was :/ |
| 05:37 |
Peacock |
havent touched gravity or air genning yet, still working out the resource tree heh |
| 05:37 |
Peacock |
asteroids you get 4 basic resources: dust, stone, ice, and ores... and i have to find a way to make everything with that lol |
| 05:37 |
Peacock |
hence the abundance of machines |
| 05:37 |
reactor |
Free_move would probably be enough. |
| 05:37 |
paramat |
i have a mod for custom gravities 'multigrav' |
| 05:37 |
reactor |
but need to force it on |
| 05:37 |
Peacock |
yeah i downloaded the first and latest multigrav, haven't tested it yet tho |
| 05:37 |
reactor |
How are you gonna model the Earth? |
| 05:37 |
Peacock |
no earth |
| 05:37 |
reactor |
Oh, you're not orbiting anything? |
| 05:38 |
Peacock |
game is Deep Space, just asteroids |
| 05:38 |
Peacock |
ive pretty much gutted default of everything |
| 05:38 |
reactor |
I was thinking about replicating ISS in MT. |
| 05:38 |
Peacock |
re ISS, i was thining of making an inflatable pod for my tek mod in the game |
| 05:39 |
Peacock |
so you could assemble a station with the modules |
| 05:40 |
us_0gb |
I thought about making air drownable too. Or making it hurt you like lava. Or both. |
| 05:40 |
Peacock |
drowning makes more sense cuz of the air bubbles |
| 05:40 |
paramat |
... in 'asteroid' mod i will extract oxygen from local materials, and craft air generators |
| 05:41 |
reactor |
fill the rest of the map with water. |
| 05:41 |
reactor |
oh. |
| 05:41 |
reactor |
no |
| 05:41 |
reactor |
bad |
| 05:42 |
reactor |
or why not |
| 05:42 |
reactor |
do it |
| 05:42 |
reactor |
but replace water texture with transparency |
| 05:42 |
Peacock |
well ill just go with pure air gen machines, underwater extraction makes more sense |
| 05:42 |
Peacock |
but with normal liquids in the state they are, i haven't bothered with the waterworld map in weeks |
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paramat |
ah i wondered how waterworld was going / not going |
| 05:44 |
Peacock |
well the normal liquids take ten minutes to flow, air holes take longer to fill up |
| 05:44 |
Peacock |
im glad i dont have to deal with liquids at all in the asteroid map lol |
| 05:52 |
paramat |
im gonna keep asteroid mod mapgen-orientated with just very simple items / crafting / machines, just basic airgen. i prefer to leave developing that stuff to others who can build on my mods mapgen |
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OldCoder |
I like the new entry message |
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VanessaE |
bbl |
| 06:05 |
reactor |
Tour to Pripyat, anyone? |
| 06:10 |
OldCoder |
reactor, Hi! |
| 06:10 |
OldCoder |
reactor, I am actually trying to run mcedit now |
| 06:10 |
reactor |
o/ |
| 06:10 |
reactor |
Good. |
| 06:10 |
OldCoder |
I will let you know |
| 06:10 |
OldCoder |
retrying setup |
| 06:11 |
OldCoder |
Could not get dependencies earlier |
| 06:11 |
reactor |
Mkay. |
| 06:11 |
reactor |
What OS, again? |
| 06:14 |
OldCoder |
My Linux distro |
| 06:14 |
OldCoder |
working on this now; will report back soon |
| 06:15 |
reactor |
What package manager? |
| 06:15 |
reactor |
And which package repository do you use? |
| 06:15 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 06:15 |
OldCoder |
I said... *my* Linux distro :-) |
| 06:15 |
OldCoder |
As in, me |
| 06:15 |
reactor |
Also, how come? You got disappointed in all Linux distros? |
| 06:15 |
OldCoder |
I created it |
| 06:15 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 06:15 |
OldCoder |
I will link you to the story |
| 06:15 |
OldCoder |
You can glance at it while I try to get mcedit up |
| 06:16 |
reactor |
You would probably like to try FreeBSD. |
| 06:16 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 06:16 |
OldCoder |
reactor I was there when BSD was created |
| 06:16 |
OldCoder |
I was one of the guinea pigs :-) |
| 06:16 |
OldCoder |
|
| 06:16 |
OldCoder |
http://oldcoder.org/distro/distrohistory.html |
| 06:16 |
OldCoder |
|
| 06:16 |
OldCoder |
20 years ago |
| 06:16 |
OldCoder |
I tried to get CSRG to move the free BSD variations along |
| 06:17 |
OldCoder |
They were afraid of AT&T |
| 06:17 |
OldCoder |
and decided to wait |
| 06:17 |
OldCoder |
Linus stepped in and filled the void |
| 06:17 |
OldCoder |
The link above is the answer to your question |
| 06:17 |
OldCoder |
Hope it is interesting |
| 06:17 |
OldCoder |
|
| 06:18 |
OldCoder |
easy_install is building a bunch of dependencies. This will take a few minutes. |
| 06:18 |
OldCoder |
Others, this is about converting MC maps to MT |
| 06:19 |
reactor |
I see. |
| 06:19 |
reactor |
Well, eh. |
| 06:19 |
reactor |
Linux was a substitute for UNIX in the days it was undergoing relicensing. |
| 06:20 |
OldCoder |
More than that |
| 06:20 |
OldCoder |
The time was right... |
| 06:20 |
reactor |
I don't see any reason to be sticking with a clone when you have the original OS for free now. |
| 06:20 |
OldCoder |
There was going to be a Free PC UNIX |
| 06:20 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 06:20 |
OldCoder |
It is not a "clone" |
| 06:20 |
reactor |
It's a badly written one. |
| 06:20 |
OldCoder |
It is *my* OS and does as I wish |
| 06:20 |
OldCoder |
Hm? |
| 06:20 |
reactor |
The Linux kernel is. |
| 06:20 |
OldCoder |
As I said, this is *my* version |
| 06:20 |
OldCoder |
It does what I wish it to |
| 06:21 |
OldCoder |
Here is a little white paper: |
| 06:21 |
reactor |
I see. I'm talking specifically about the kernel. |
| 06:21 |
OldCoder |
http://oldcoder.org/distro/distronotes.html |
| 06:21 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 06:21 |
OldCoder |
Linux and distros are not the same |
| 06:21 |
OldCoder |
|
| 06:21 |
OldCoder |
Hmm |
| 06:21 |
OldCoder |
Running mcedit |
| 06:21 |
OldCoder |
ImportError: No module named pymclevel.minecraft_server |
| 06:21 |
reactor |
By the way. Nice site. Text-only-browser friendly. |
| 06:21 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 06:21 |
OldCoder |
Not mobile friendly yet |
| 06:21 |
OldCoder |
It is sort of a 2003 layout |
| 06:21 |
reactor |
Oh. Hang on. I used to get the same error. |
| 06:22 |
reactor |
Well, screw mobile. |
| 06:22 |
OldCoder |
reactor, mcedit needs MC? |
| 06:22 |
reactor |
No. |
| 06:22 |
OldCoder |
It is OK |
| 06:22 |
reactor |
I only use my mobile to SSH into my system, to use links(1) from there :D |
| 06:22 |
OldCoder |
That is sensible |
| 06:22 |
reactor |
s/, to/, and/ |
| 06:22 |
OldCoder |
Should I google about the error? |
| 06:22 |
reactor |
Mobile browsers are awful pieces of shit. |
| 06:22 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 06:22 |
reactor |
Googling didn't tell me anything. |
| 06:22 |
OldCoder |
They are finicky this is true |
| 06:22 |
OldCoder |
What did you do? |
| 06:23 |
reactor |
I had to solve it myself. |
| 06:23 |
reactor |
I can't seem to recall it. That happens a lot :( |
| 06:23 |
reactor |
Need to think. |
| 06:23 |
* OldCoder |
chuckles |
| 06:23 |
OldCoder |
OK |
| 06:23 |
reactor |
Probably my attempts at voluntary forgetting. |
| 06:23 |
OldCoder |
Oh my |
| 06:24 |
reactor |
pymclevel... Uh. |
| 06:24 |
OldCoder |
Hmm |
| 06:24 |
OldCoder |
A JAR file? |
| 06:24 |
reactor |
No. |
| 06:24 |
reactor |
you probably haven't got something. |
| 06:24 |
reactor |
check the depends again |
| 06:24 |
reactor |
I remember I had to fidget with dependencies. |
| 06:24 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 06:24 |
OldCoder |
Missing folder |
| 06:24 |
reactor |
Got something? |
| 06:24 |
OldCoder |
No |
| 06:24 |
OldCoder |
I have all the depends |
| 06:25 |
OldCoder |
It looks like the tarball omits something at GitHub |
| 06:25 |
OldCoder |
Reviewing |
| 06:25 |
reactor |
Yes. |
| 06:25 |
reactor |
try and update from git |
| 06:25 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 06:25 |
OldCoder |
https://github.com/mcedit/pymclevel/archive/master.zip |
| 06:25 |
OldCoder |
Probably this |
| 06:25 |
reactor |
Oh. I see. I recall I had to download something separately... was it pymclevel? |
| 06:25 |
OldCoder |
Probably |
| 06:26 |
OldCoder |
Ugh, as the kids say... |
| 06:26 |
OldCoder |
ImportError: No module named Cython.Distutils |
| 06:26 |
OldCoder |
OK So I need Cython... |
| 06:26 |
OldCoder |
I shall add Cython |
| 06:27 |
reactor |
Cython? |
| 06:27 |
reactor |
Something to do with C in Python? |
| 06:27 |
OldCoder |
It is needed by pymclevel |
| 06:27 |
OldCoder |
yes |
| 06:27 |
OldCoder |
Building Cython now |
| 06:28 |
OldCoder |
I want my distro to have all of this anyway |
| 06:28 |
OldCoder |
Hmm... any way to make setup.py use multicore? |
| 06:28 |
OldCoder |
I am pegging just one CPU |
| 06:29 |
reactor |
Mcedit is really a bitch to handle with tiling WM. |
| 06:29 |
OldCoder |
We will see |
| 06:29 |
reactor |
idk hmm |
| 06:29 |
OldCoder |
Coming along |
| 06:29 |
reactor |
probably need threaded python |
| 06:29 |
OldCoder |
Yep |
| 06:29 |
OldCoder |
OK Cython built |
| 06:29 |
reactor |
That's why I like to set all ports options myself. |
| 06:30 |
OldCoder |
Building pymclevel |
| 06:30 |
reactor |
This may seem like PITA, but heck, I only have to do it once. |
| 06:30 |
OldCoder |
Running mcedit |
| 06:30 |
OldCoder |
TypeError: ("No array-type handler for type <class 'ctypes.c_ulong'> (value: c_ulong(0L)) registered", <OpenGL.converters.CallFuncPyConverter object at 0x81f97ac>) |
| 06:30 |
OldCoder |
Exception AttributeError: "'Texture' object has no attribute '_texID'" in <bound method Texture.__del__ of <glutils.Texture object at 0x965cfcc>> ignored |
| 06:30 |
OldCoder |
(ENV)whitestar:/ip/reactor/mcedit-master# |
| 06:30 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 06:30 |
OldCoder |
PITA is right. This may be meant to be... Reviewing |
| 06:31 |
OldCoder |
Some sort of PyOpenGL problem... |
| 06:31 |
reactor |
Oh. I wanted to ask. |
| 06:31 |
OldCoder |
Hm? |
| 06:31 |
reactor |
How does one avoid Windows-bound jobs? |
| 06:32 |
OldCoder |
Explain briefly |
| 06:33 |
OldCoder |
60,000 hits for that error message |
| 06:33 |
OldCoder |
That is not promising! |
| 06:33 |
reactor |
I wouldn't like to spend a decade or more working with a bad OS. |
| 06:34 |
reactor |
Am I safe from it if I stick to theoretical physics? |
| 06:34 |
OldCoder |
OH |
| 06:34 |
OldCoder |
You mean jobs as in employment?! |
| 06:34 |
reactor |
Yes. |
| 06:34 |
OldCoder |
Wait; let me consider |
| 06:34 |
reactor |
I would really lose my mojo and become bald if I had to work with that shit. |
| 06:34 |
OldCoder |
reactor, That is silly... there will be UNIX jobs in many fields |
| 06:34 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 06:35 |
OldCoder |
Here is what I did |
| 06:35 |
OldCoder |
In September my Windows 7 laptop got virused |
| 06:35 |
OldCoder |
They could not fix it |
| 06:35 |
OldCoder |
The MANUFACTURER came out and said we do not know what to do |
| 06:35 |
OldCoder |
Even they could not fix it |
| 06:35 |
OldCoder |
Some type of firmware Windows problem |
| 06:35 |
OldCoder |
I.T. reformatted the disk |
| 06:35 |
OldCoder |
STILL could not fix it |
| 06:36 |
OldCoder |
I was without a PC for a week |
| 06:36 |
reactor |
Aha. The virus had flashed it. |
| 06:36 |
OldCoder |
I said, never again |
| 06:36 |
OldCoder |
Possibly... not even sure malware |
| 06:36 |
OldCoder |
But probably |
| 06:36 |
OldCoder |
So when the machine was rebuilt |
| 06:36 |
OldCoder |
I VM'd the damn thing |
| 06:36 |
reactor |
Oh. |
| 06:36 |
OldCoder |
I now run MY LINUX distro |
| 06:36 |
reactor |
That might work. |
| 06:36 |
OldCoder |
and Windows is just another... Window :-) |
| 06:36 |
OldCoder |
Windows and all the software is just a big file |
| 06:37 |
OldCoder |
Works great! |
| 06:37 |
reactor |
Yes, with hardware virtualisation and stuff that might be a solution. |
| 06:37 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 06:37 |
reactor |
But eh. |
| 06:37 |
OldCoder |
I am reviewing the OpenGL issue... |
| 06:37 |
reactor |
I wouldn't like to even touch it. |
| 06:37 |
reactor |
Even from a virtual machine. |
| 06:37 |
OldCoder |
Eh back... tradeoffs |
| 06:37 |
reactor |
Because heck, it's nasty to work with, that's it. |
| 06:37 |
OldCoder |
Well, be a webdev |
| 06:37 |
reactor |
I can't get anything done under it. |
| 06:37 |
OldCoder |
Lots of work and you can set up Debian VPSes for people |
| 06:38 |
reactor |
Oh. Probably. |
| 06:38 |
OldCoder |
Hang on. I need to look at this mcedit issue. May not be solvable. |
| 06:38 |
reactor |
Or... I could install and adminster BSD on my friend's hosting. |
| 06:39 |
reactor |
What kind of issue? |
| 06:39 |
OldCoder |
TypeError("No array-type handler for type <class 'ctypes.c_ulong'> (value: c_ulong(0L)) |
| 06:39 |
OldCoder |
That type |
| 06:40 |
OldCoder |
60,000 hits in Google and no fix |
| 06:40 |
OldCoder |
It is some type of OpenGL wrapper issue |
| 06:41 |
reactor |
I haven't encountered it here. |
| 06:41 |
OldCoder |
Yep |
| 06:41 |
OldCoder |
It may be Xorg dependent |
| 06:41 |
reactor |
Hell, I am confused now. |
| 06:41 |
reactor |
I think... I'll port it myself, and meanwhile... shall I give you the incomplete thing, to try it out? |
| 06:42 |
OldCoder |
Yes; I think I can't handle it. Sorry. |
| 06:42 |
OldCoder |
I gave it a shot. |
| 06:42 |
reactor |
No problem, at least you've tried. |
| 06:42 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 06:42 |
OldCoder |
Other people DO have this issue specifically with mcedit... |
| 06:42 |
OldCoder |
Moment... |
| 06:43 |
reactor |
Brb, my WM has had a fritz. |
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reactor |
I'm back. |
| 06:44 |
OldCoder |
Hi |
| 06:45 |
OldCoder |
Sorry, this one is beyond me |
| 06:45 |
OldCoder |
It is a weird OpenGL wrapper issue |
| 06:45 |
reactor |
mk |
| 06:45 |
OldCoder |
If you can convert, I can host |
| 06:45 |
reactor |
mk |
| 06:45 |
reactor |
meanwhle, would you like to see the map in MT? |
| 06:45 |
OldCoder |
Looking further at traceback |
| 06:45 |
OldCoder |
Sure |
| 06:45 |
reactor |
ok, I'll start the server, brb |
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| 06:47 |
reactor |
While I'm starting it, OldCoder, could you show me the multiworld setup? |
| 06:47 |
reactor |
I have it, too, but mine is kludgey. |
| 06:47 |
OldCoder |
reactor, I did not plan to run a client tonight... |
| 06:47 |
OldCoder |
When a map is available, I'll put it up myself... regarding multi world... |
| 06:47 |
OldCoder |
falling asleep but basic setup goes like this |
| 06:48 |
OldCoder |
/opt/minetest047/... is tree |
| 06:48 |
OldCoder |
Standard not in place setup |
| 06:48 |
OldCoder |
Until yesterday |
| 06:48 |
OldCoder |
I had separate games per world in the share/minetest/games folder |
| 06:48 |
OldCoder |
Dropping back to minetest_game |
| 06:48 |
OldCoder |
With about 100 mods in share/mods |
| 06:48 |
OldCoder |
mod selection set by configuration lines in world.mt |
| 06:49 |
OldCoder |
Each world is run in a script by a line like this: |
| 06:49 |
OldCoder |
$P zegaton minetest 30015 |
| 06:49 |
OldCoder |
The full set looks like this: |
| 06:49 |
OldCoder |
$P angelfury same 30000 |
| 06:49 |
OldCoder |
$P tuxworld same 30001 |
| 06:49 |
OldCoder |
$P skyblock same 30002 |
| 06:49 |
OldCoder |
$P calinou same 30003 |
| 06:49 |
OldCoder |
$P octuteam same 30004 |
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reactor |
Pwned. |
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OldCoder |
$P oldtux same 30008 |
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OldCoder |
$P ispuzzle same 30009 |
| 06:50 |
OldCoder |
$P marktwain same 30010 |
| 06:50 |
OldCoder |
$P xiphos same 30011 |
| 06:50 |
OldCoder |
$P holamundo same 30012 |
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reactor |
Oh. |
| 06:50 |
OldCoder |
Um hi? |
| 06:50 |
OldCoder |
The bot does not like long text :-) |
| 06:51 |
reactor |
Yes. |
| 06:51 |
OldCoder |
reactor, I had best prepare the scripts for you separately |
| 06:51 |
OldCoder |
But basically |
| 06:51 |
OldCoder |
each line invokes a Bash subroutine |
| 06:51 |
OldCoder |
Which runs a loop |
| 06:51 |
OldCoder |
The loop restarts an instance of the MT server |
| 06:51 |
OldCoder |
With a number of parameters and using a per world configuration file |
| 06:51 |
OldCoder |
There is code to handle damage caused by aborted runs |
| 06:52 |
OldCoder |
For example, damaged player configuration files are repaired |
| 06:52 |
OldCoder |
If a world crashes there is an auto-restart |
| 06:52 |
OldCoder |
and there are a number of other tweaks |
| 06:52 |
OldCoder |
There is also a shutdown script |
| 06:52 |
reactor |
Oh. I have a simpler setup. An rc script calls a shell script that spawns all servers in a certain directory in a loop. But it doesn't allow for restarting servers by one, only all of them. |
| 06:52 |
OldCoder |
That makes an attempt to close all running worlds down gracefully |
| 06:52 |
OldCoder |
So we have similar scripts and you may review mine |
| 06:52 |
OldCoder |
But things are in transition |
| 06:53 |
OldCoder |
I am now falling asleep |
| 06:53 |
reactor |
Good night? |
| 06:53 |
OldCoder |
Just as you did about 11 hours ago |
| 06:53 |
OldCoder |
Pretty close to it |
| 06:53 |
reactor |
Where are you from? |
| 06:53 |
OldCoder |
Nice talking to you |
| 06:53 |
OldCoder |
Silicon Valley |
| 06:53 |
reactor |
Oh. |
| 06:53 |
OldCoder |
In a specific sense |
| 06:53 |
OldCoder |
|
| 06:53 |
reactor |
And I'm from Russia |
| 06:53 |
OldCoder |
In a broader one: |
| 06:53 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 06:53 |
OldCoder |
I am half Slavic |
| 06:53 |
reactor |
Opposite sides of the Earth :D |
| 06:53 |
OldCoder |
Not so far |
| 06:53 |
OldCoder |
PM |
| 06:53 |
reactor |
Idk who I am. |
| 06:56 |
Miner_48er |
OldCoder may I see those scripts as well? |
| 06:57 |
OldCoder |
Yes of course you may |
| 06:57 |
OldCoder |
And I will help set up new servers |
| 06:57 |
OldCoder |
Including such Linuxes as CentOS |
| 06:57 |
OldCoder |
But one step at a time |
| 06:57 |
OldCoder |
Tonight I am falling asleep |
| 06:58 |
Miner_48er |
ok thx |
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reactor |
Something happened to my mcedit. |
| 07:24 |
reactor |
I can't control the view for shit. |
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reactor |
Uh. |
| 08:20 |
reactor |
With proper cooling, this machine does process the map faster. |
| 08:48 |
reactor |
Hope what that TheLastProject guy is doing is really his last project. |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: prolergithub.com commited to minetest/minetest: Masterserver fixes cf0786dc9d 2013-11-04T01:02:42-08:00 http://git.io/85I9BQ |
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| 09:22 |
reactor |
So. Eh. |
| 09:23 |
reactor |
What's the name of the program that draws top views? |
| 09:28 |
thexyz |
minetestmapper.py |
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pitriss |
thexyz: why not the cpp one? |
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reactor |
mk |
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arsdragonfly |
hi there |
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kaeza |
mornings |
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arsdragonfly |
the development seems to have sped up drastically :-P |
| 09:45 |
reactor |
Mcedit... broken amphoboan shit. |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all; happy Use Your Common Sense Day! :-D |
| 09:59 |
reactor |
Or Guy Fawkes Day? |
| 09:59 |
reactor |
.-1s/mphob/mphib/ |
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reactor |
.-1s/boa/bia/ |
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reactor |
Fucking bitch my right ring finger is. |
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reactor |
Where do I get libgd? |
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reactor |
I mean, what does it provide? |
| 10:36 |
kaeza |
reactor, http://libgd.bitbucket.org/pages/about.html |
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reactor |
ty |
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reactor |
Where were we? |
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reactor |
ld can't find libgd on BSD. |
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reactor |
? |
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OldCoder |
reactor, is it present? |
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OldCoder |
And does BSD have anything comparable to LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? |
| 12:33 |
reactor |
? |
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reactor |
OldCoder: I've replaced the -rpath argument of CXX with -L/usr/local/lib |
| 12:34 |
reactor |
and it compiled. |
| 12:34 |
reactor |
That's a kludge, but eh. |
| 12:34 |
OldCoder |
Very well |
| 12:34 |
reactor |
Also, I'm porting the map by pieces. |
| 12:35 |
OldCoder |
Well again. Excuse fragment responses. It is 4:35am. |
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OldCoder |
Slept about 4 hours. Debating another hour or two. |
| 12:35 |
reactor |
Also, what is present? |
| 12:35 |
OldCoder |
The library |
| 12:35 |
OldCoder |
It is, apparently |
| 12:36 |
reactor |
Debating with whom? |
| 12:36 |
OldCoder |
Myself. I have won the debate. Yes, I believe a bit more sleep is advisable. |
| 12:36 |
reactor |
Good. |
| 12:36 |
reactor |
Sleep tight, man. |
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EvergreenTree |
Oh, so we have channels for different languages now, cool |
| 12:57 |
reactor |
EvergreenTree: you know Russian? |
| 12:57 |
EvergreenTree |
No |
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dafull97 |
Hey guys |
| 13:00 |
EvergreenTree |
Heyo |
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dafull97 |
EvergreenTree, you mod correct? |
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kaeza |
EvergreenTree, the channels have existed for quite some time now, but not so "officially" |
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dafull97 |
kaeza, PM'ed you |
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EvergreenTree |
dafull97, ? |
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dafull97 |
EvergreenTree, you are a Modder? |
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EvergreenTree |
Yes, I 'spose so |
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dafull97 |
what that suppose to mean? |
| 13:11 |
EvergreenTree |
Yes, I quess you can call me a modder |
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EvergreenTree |
*guess |
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EvergreenTree |
Is English your first language? |
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dafull97 |
yes, i just woke up so it may be a little confusing hahah |
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dafull97 |
why? |
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EvergreenTree |
Never mind, what did you need? |
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dafull97 |
i was asking if you modded minetest, sorry if i am confusing :/ |
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dafull97 |
just woke up as i said... |
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EvergreenTree |
Oh so that is all you wanted to know? Usually when someone asks that, they need help with a mod |
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dafull97 |
ohh, no i figured them out already, i hosted a server for like a week and decided it wasn't fast enough... i hosted it on a VPS |
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dafull97 |
132mb ram... |
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dafull97 |
:/ |
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EvergreenTree |
Bleh, rpi has more ram then that |
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EvergreenTree |
*rbpi |
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dafull97 |
yea, i know |
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dafull97 |
that what im plainning on getting, or somthing similar |
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dafull97 |
planning* |
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reactor |
OldCoder: awake yet? |
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reactor |
Is it me or mcedit only uses one processor? |
| 15:11 |
harrison |
There is no "bitch" in the word "bitcoin" |
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harrison |
but almost |
| 15:13 |
reactor |
Bitchoin |
| 15:13 |
reactor |
Bitcoin is waste of coal. |
| 15:14 |
reactor |
Literally, you make money not by mining for some valuable material, but by heating the Universe. |
| 15:15 |
reactor |
They could at least use not just functions for bitcoin mining, but useful computations like protein folding. |
| 15:18 |
sfan5 |
hi everyone |
| 15:20 |
reactor |
o/ |
| 15:21 |
harrison |
no, they couldn't. your point has been addressed before by others, so i will just add a new thought: the "uselessness" of the computation bitcoin requires is the point, and this has an analogy in ethology. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signalling_theory |
| 15:22 |
harrison |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handicap_principle |
| 15:23 |
harrison |
The theory predicts that a sexual ornament, or any other signal, must be costly if it is to accurately advertise a trait of relevance to an individual with conflicting interests. Typical examples of handicapped signals include bird songs, the peacock's tail, courtship dances, bowerbird's bowers, or even possibly jewellery and humor. Jared Diamond has proposed that certain risky human behaviours, such as bungee jumping, may be expressions o |
| 15:23 |
harrison |
instincts that have evolved through the operation of the handicap principle. Zahavi has invoked the potlatch ceremony as a human example of the handicap principle in action. This interpretation of potlatch can be traced to Thorstein Veblen's use of the ceremony in his book Theory of the Leisure Class as an example of "conspicuous consumption".[30] |
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harrison |
The application to bitcoin is left as a trivial exercise. |
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harrison |
QED |
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OldCoder |
reactor, Hi |
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reactor |
o/ |
| 15:24 |
OldCoder |
reactor, slept about 2.5 hours more. Preparing for work. |
| 15:25 |
OldCoder |
Heh I almost said preparing for "wok" |
| 15:25 |
OldCoder |
Wok is good |
| 15:25 |
harrison |
Wok the dog. |
| 15:25 |
reactor |
harrison: that still doesn't resolve the problem |
| 15:25 |
reactor |
harrison: we're only wasting resources, not producing anything. |
| 15:25 |
reactor |
I mean, they're. |
| 15:25 |
reactor |
OldCoder: mk |
| 15:26 |
reactor |
Where do you work? |
| 15:26 |
harrison |
http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/5617/why-are-bitcoin-calculation-useless |
| 15:26 |
harrison |
Why don't we use calculations that are also useful for some other purpose? |
| 15:26 |
harrison |
To provide security for the Bitcoin network, the calculations involved need to have some very specific features. These features are incompatible with leveraging the computation for other purposes. |
| 15:27 |
reactor |
YEs. |
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reactor |
s/YE/Ye/ |
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OldCoder |
reactor, East Bay Area in Silicon Valley. About half an hour to drive. 45 minutes to an hour in heavy traffic. |
| 15:27 |
reactor |
That means, bitcoin is useless and can nto be cured. |
| 15:27 |
reactor |
s/nto/not/ |
| 15:27 |
OldCoder |
I am told that Bitcoin will fade now because of GPUs... |
| 15:27 |
OldCoder |
Ordinary computers can't compete |
| 15:28 |
harrison |
i agree, it is so useless in fact that i don't want any bitcoins, but i am such an altruist that you can get rid of any bitcoins that you have by sending them to me |
| 15:28 |
reactor |
I still would like it if someone proposed currency based on useful computation. |
| 15:29 |
harrison |
why is establishing a cryptocurrency "useless"? |
| 15:29 |
reactor |
Because you only waste electricity this way. |
| 15:29 |
reactor |
When you mine gold, you produce it. |
| 15:29 |
reactor |
When you calculate crypto functions for bitcoin, nothing is produced. |
| 15:29 |
harrison |
why is establishing a cryptocurrency "useless"? |
| 15:29 |
reactor |
But electricity is wasted. |
| 15:29 |
reactor |
Because you produce nothing. |
| 15:29 |
reactor |
Nothing. Zero. |
| 15:30 |
harrison |
This is turning into Seinfeld. |
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| 15:30 |
reactor |
Define. |
| 15:31 |
harrison |
"The show about nothing". |
| 15:32 |
reactor |
It entertains some. |
| 15:32 |
reactor |
It has audience. |
| 15:32 |
reactor |
But bitcoin does not produce anything. |
| 15:32 |
harrison |
why is establishing a cryptocurrency "useless"? |
| 15:32 |
reactor |
You're going in circles. |
| 15:32 |
harrison |
why is establishing a cryptocurrency "not producing anything"? |
| 15:33 |
reactor |
And not listening to me. I've already said it above. |
| 15:33 |
reactor |
I'm not gonna repeat myself. |
| 15:33 |
harrison |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dXBC6R_rxk |
| 15:33 |
reactor |
OldCoder: the map is already about 40M. |
| 15:33 |
reactor |
!title |
| 15:33 |
MinetestBot |
reactor: Seinfeld Lost Episode - Kramer At The Laugh Factory - YouTube |
| 15:34 |
OldCoder |
reactor, We look forward to it. Do not rush. |
| 15:34 |
OldCoder |
Have fun |
| 15:34 |
reactor |
I'm sorry, I can't process the video at the moment. |
| 15:34 |
reactor |
OldCoder: I mean, is it okay to host? |
| 15:35 |
reactor |
I think of trimming it some more, actually. |
| 15:35 |
reactor |
Because the surunding forest is made up by the author, too. |
| 15:35 |
reactor |
s/run/round/ |
| 15:35 |
reactor |
s/ndd/nd/ |
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OldCoder |
reactor, I can host a 400MB world if you like |
| 15:40 |
OldCoder |
Will that be enough? |
| 15:40 |
harrison |
am i invited or is it only for the "in crowd"? |
| 15:41 |
OldCoder |
reactor, you do not need to trim anything and harrison come on in the water is fine |
| 15:41 |
OldCoder |
reactor, you should only "trim" the parts you consider to be unneeded and uninteresting |
| 15:41 |
OldCoder |
|
| 15:42 |
harrison |
srbox ~/minetest> git pull |
| 15:42 |
harrison |
Already up-to-date. |
| 15:42 |
harrison |
it never updates |
| 15:42 |
reactor |
OldCoder: mk |
| 15:43 |
harrison |
perhaps i am pointed at the wrong repo |
| 15:43 |
reactor |
OldCoder: I think I will trim what I find not realistic at all |
| 15:43 |
harrison |
anyway, would you post a server address? |
| 15:43 |
OldCoder |
harrison, there is one world up presently out of about 20 |
| 15:44 |
OldCoder |
I am in the process of upgrading |
| 15:44 |
OldCoder |
Here is a compatible Windows client: |
| 15:44 |
harrison |
windows? do you never tire of insulting me? |
| 15:44 |
OldCoder |
http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-131102.zip |
| 15:44 |
OldCoder |
It is for others who may observe this interactiont oo |
| 15:44 |
reactor |
:D |
| 15:44 |
OldCoder |
The Windows client is for both 32 and 64 bits |
| 15:45 |
OldCoder |
I have not built Linux clients |
| 15:45 |
OldCoder |
The worlds, 20 of them, are at server minetest.org |
| 15:45 |
OldCoder |
When they are running - which is NOT today |
| 15:45 |
OldCoder |
The ports are 30000 to about 30015 to 30020 |
| 15:46 |
OldCoder |
Right now only 30015 is up and it is out of sync... I will shut it down and restart with different mods this morning |
| 15:46 |
OldCoder |
|
| 15:46 |
OldCoder |
There are screenshots of all the worlds but I need to rejigger them |
| 15:46 |
reactor |
OldCoder: any ideas what themap can me used for? |
| 15:46 |
reactor |
s/me/be/ |
| 15:46 |
reactor |
Apart from just walking around. |
| 15:46 |
OldCoder |
I ask for help to edit some of the worlds and merge them |
| 15:46 |
OldCoder |
Done |
| 15:46 |
OldCoder |
reactor, why... for building? |
| 15:46 |
reactor |
uilding what. |
| 15:46 |
OldCoder |
For any MT purpsoe? |
| 15:46 |
reactor |
s/ui/Bui/ |
| 15:46 |
OldCoder |
Whatever MT people wish to build |
| 15:47 |
OldCoder |
If it is very interesting, two copies will be maintained |
| 15:47 |
OldCoder |
The original for review and a live copy to build on |
| 15:47 |
OldCoder |
|
| 15:47 |
OldCoder |
harrison, ^ Done |
| 15:47 |
reactor |
building houses in a contaminated area |
| 15:47 |
OldCoder |
Can it be fixed? |
| 15:48 |
OldCoder |
Throw it open for group discussion later |
| 15:48 |
OldCoder |
Perhaps when you wake up tomorrow morning which will be tonight here |
| 15:48 |
OldCoder |
In the U.S. that is |
| 15:48 |
reactor |
I was thinking deathmatch. |
| 15:48 |
OldCoder |
Good idea |
| 15:48 |
OldCoder |
Combat is fine too |
| 15:48 |
reactor |
Deathmatch, looting, setting up traps in buildings. |
| 15:49 |
harrison |
i am logging in to 300015 |
| 15:49 |
harrison |
30015 |
| 15:53 |
OldCoder |
harrison, The first connect may take 20 minutes |
| 15:53 |
OldCoder |
Unless you use a client with a preloaded cache |
| 15:53 |
harrison |
Media... |
| 15:53 |
OldCoder |
My clients will all have a preloaded cache |
| 15:53 |
OldCoder |
If you get in, save a copy of it |
| 15:54 |
OldCoder |
harrison, I will restart this world in 1 to 4 hours with a different set of mods |
| 15:54 |
OldCoder |
Therefore you will be interrupted |
| 15:54 |
OldCoder |
But ultimately a number of worlds will be running |
| 15:54 |
harrison |
oh, i won't stay that long anyhow |
| 15:54 |
OldCoder |
24 hours a day again except for network outages |
| 15:54 |
harrison |
not all at once |
| 15:55 |
harrison |
i want to look at what you have done |
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OldCoder |
I do not have the credit |
| 15:55 |
harrison |
i give you none |
| 15:55 |
OldCoder |
harrison, that world belongs to people like Zeg9 and john of minetest |
| 15:55 |
OldCoder |
Then what do you mean by |
| 15:55 |
OldCoder |
<harrison> i want to look at what you have done |
| 15:55 |
OldCoder |
? |
| 15:55 |
harrison |
the server |
| 15:55 |
harrison |
i want to look t it |
| 15:55 |
harrison |
and also |
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OldCoder |
Anyway I g2g bbl and have fun.... plus harrison I *have* made my small contributions |
| 15:56 |
OldCoder |
also what? |
| 15:56 |
harrison |
i do give you a bit of credit after all |
| 15:56 |
harrison |
for doing whatever it is that you do |
| 15:56 |
OldCoder |
very well c u i a b and do not worry about unknown blocks world is under reconstruction |
| 15:56 |
OldCoder |
Heh |
| 15:56 |
* OldCoder |
laughs out loud |
| 15:56 |
OldCoder |
When I understand what I do I will explain it |
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Jordach |
ChanServ, SHUT UP |
| 15:57 |
* Jordach |
already dislikes the entry message |
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* Jordach |
pokes sfan5 |
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Jordach |
today was good day |
| 16:09 |
Jordach |
http://imgur.com/a/VyiEf |
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thexyz |
I wonder if windows will ever get a sane terminal emulator |
| 16:14 |
thexyz |
the one which you can copy from, or the one you can resize |
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* sfan5 |
pokes Jordach |
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thexyz |
also, consider "elseif" |
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dafull97 |
hey all back |
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Jordach |
thexyz, my method works |
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Jordach |
function deal_with_it (mother, fucker) |
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Jordach |
thexyz, > 118 lines too |
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troller |
thexyz, standart have copy in deep menu |
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Jordach |
LuaTerminal in gist form; https://gist.github.com/Jordach/6932906 |
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Jordach |
some lines are currently random because i havent finished the,m |
| 16:21 |
Jordach |
them* |
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thexyz |
I'm not sure what's the point of this |
| 16:24 |
Jordach |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/981 |
| 16:24 |
Jordach |
thexyz, we don't have cmd at sixth form |
| 16:24 |
Jordach |
os.execute works in almost the same way |
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sfan5 |
what if I write an os that uses | to seperate paths |
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Jordach |
sfan5, detectable too |
| 16:26 |
Jordach |
elseif package.config:sub(1,1) == "|" then |
| 16:26 |
sfan5 |
what if I run lua on an os without a filesystem? |
| 16:26 |
Jordach |
sfan5, impossibru |
| 16:26 |
sfan5 |
nope |
| 16:27 |
sfan5 |
that is entirely possible |
| 16:27 |
Jordach |
wait, embedded systems |
| 16:27 |
Jordach |
uhm, we would even be able to run the code in that case :P |
| 16:27 |
sfan5 |
embedded systems usually use linux |
| 16:27 |
Jordach |
Windows CE |
| 16:27 |
Jordach |
OH SHIT |
| 16:28 |
Jordach |
btw, that issue was found on the sky server |
| 16:29 |
* Jordach |
wonders if Jordach can make a Python terminal and start that with the Lua Terminal |
| 16:29 |
Jordach |
i put a terminal in your terminal :D |
| 16:39 |
Jordach |
pitriss, +1 |
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pitriss |
Jordach: thanks, but what i did?:D |
| 16:40 |
Jordach |
multispaw |
| 16:41 |
Jordach |
+n |
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pitriss |
Jordach: oh thanks:) |
| 16:42 |
pitriss |
It is my first (i hope) useful mod:) |
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kaeza |
Jordach, it's a bad idea to use until command ~= nil |
| 16:54 |
kaeza |
nil is used for EOF :P |
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Jordach |
kaeza, command is assigned nil until it has data into it |
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VanessaE |
hi all |
| 16:56 |
kaeza |
Jordach, if you redirect stdin from a file, and somehow you reach EOF, that loop will keep executing indefinitely until you kill the interpreter |
| 16:56 |
Jordach |
kaeza, i = 0 |
| 16:56 |
Jordach |
start up sets i = 1, because that's how the double repeat works |
| 16:57 |
kaeza |
https://gist.github.com/Jordach/6932906#file-luaterminal-lua-L27 |
| 16:58 |
Jordach |
kaeza, some users might just press enter |
| 16:58 |
Jordach |
or just spaces |
| 16:58 |
Jordach |
it's just guarding against the inevitable |
| 16:59 |
kaeza |
... |
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* Jordach |
doesn't like idiots |
| 17:00 |
Jordach |
i've basically made it foolproof |
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kaeza |
lel |
| 17:01 |
kaeza |
http://pastebin.com/tGVaX7vQ |
| 17:01 |
kaeza |
BTW, one of my cores was at 100% |
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Jordach |
kaeza, not on Lua 5.1.4 |
| 17:03 |
kaeza |
$ lua5.1 # Lua 5.1.4 Copyright (C) 1994-2008 Lua.org, PUC-Rio |
| 17:04 |
Zeg9 |
Hello |
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kaeza |
Jordach, trim whitespace around `command' and compare to "" |
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kaeza |
hey Zeg9 |
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Jordach |
kaeza, http://i.imgur.com/CtcFz6V.png |
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EvergreenTree |
Hi Zeg9 |
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Jordach |
when task manager starts i always get 100 cpu |
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kaeza |
Jordach, are you redirecting input from a file? |
| 17:10 |
Jordach |
kaeza, when Returned to Lua Terminal is printed the loop starts again |
| 17:10 |
Jordach |
my terminal allows it's stdin to be shared with other apps |
| 17:10 |
kaeza |
k |
| 17:11 |
Jordach |
i don't have that cpu issue, wasn't even found on a 64bit dualcore |
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noob |
why minetest |
| 17:12 |
VanessaE |
why not? |
| 17:12 |
Guest51309 |
swag |
| 17:13 |
VanessaE |
same reason people write open source projects for other program categories. |
| 17:13 |
Guest51309 |
no |
| 17:13 |
VanessaE |
because someone saw a need and it came about. |
| 17:13 |
Guest51309 |
NO |
| 17:13 |
VanessaE |
no what? |
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| 17:13 |
Guest51309 |
hello |
| 17:13 |
kaeza |
wat |
| 17:13 |
Guest51309 |
can you talk |
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| 17:14 |
VanessaE |
ehm.. |
| 17:14 |
Jordach |
wut |
| 17:14 |
VanessaE |
uh. yeah. |
| 17:15 |
kaeza |
so confuse much noob |
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Jordach |
he's not in the forums |
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* Jordach |
wtfs |
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dafull97 |
hey VanessaE |
| 17:38 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 17:40 |
dafull97 |
im npt good in hardware, can you check somthing for me? |
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dafull97 |
https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A20/A20-OLinuXino-MICRO/open-source-hardware -- the cpu in this? like the power Nd |
| 17:41 |
dafull97 |
and how good ** |
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* VanessaE |
looks |
| 17:46 |
VanessaE |
I couldn't say, I just don't know enough about ARM architecture. |
| 17:46 |
VanessaE |
troller and Megaf know more than I do |
| 17:46 |
rubenwardy |
Can I make it so I dont get "New posts" for stuff in other language forums |
| 17:47 |
VanessaE |
I just ignore those forums altogether |
| 17:47 |
troller |
dafull97, odroid. |
| 17:48 |
VanessaE |
http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/main.php |
| 17:48 |
VanessaE |
oh that's that fancy dual-CPU board |
| 17:48 |
Menche |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_single-board_computers |
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Calinou |
rubenwardy: I don't think so |
| 17:53 |
Calinou |
except if we removed access to these forums for you :P |
| 17:53 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
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troller |
i want board on MediaTek 8-core not-released cpu |
| 17:55 |
Calinou |
few things are multithreaded |
| 17:55 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: xyzz commited to minetest/minetest: Fix masterserver README.md 7be18657b1 2013-11-04T09:54:25-08:00 http://git.io/Y5helg |
| 17:56 |
troller |
Calinou, make -j8 |
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* Jordach |
is busy with the Lua Terminal |
| 17:57 |
PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
| 18:00 |
OldCoder |
PilzAdam, Hi! |
| 18:00 |
VanessaE |
hey adam |
| 18:01 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, animted gif as avatar: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=117029#p117029 |
| 18:01 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 18:02 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, Read Today 6:02:16 pm by Jordach |
| 18:02 |
Jordach |
i beat you |
| 18:02 |
thexyz |
i removed it |
| 18:03 |
rubenwardy |
VanessaE responded at 18:01:51 |
| 18:03 |
VanessaE |
you didn't fix it though :) |
| 18:03 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: isn't the policy to just replace it with a non-animted version? |
| 18:04 |
VanessaE |
(interesting he mentioned me...I wasn't here two years ago :P) |
| 18:04 |
thexyz |
well if you have much free time feel free to do whatever you want with it |
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| 18:04 |
thexyz |
deleting them is okay |
| 18:05 |
Calinou |
troller: only for that a few other things |
| 18:05 |
Calinou |
it won't improve Minetest client/server performance :p |
| 18:05 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: ok. well I already fixed it :) |
| 18:05 |
troller |
server- maybe, using emerge threads |
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rubenwardy |
Calinou: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=117051#p117051 correct? |
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| 18:13 |
Calinou |
O_o no |
| 18:13 |
rubenwardy |
ok :P |
| 18:15 |
VanessaE |
troller: emergethreads lead to mapblock boundary collisions with on-genereated stuff e.g. chopped-off trees, square edges around snow biomes, etc. |
| 18:16 |
troller |
need to split lua into threads |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: sapier at gmx dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix invalid use of pointer to temporary object in json2lua conversion 1a96987d0f 2013-11-04T10:11:11-08:00 http://git.io/YtWp3w |
| 18:20 |
Menche |
chopped-off trees have been happening since 0.3 or earlier, don't think that's emergethreads |
| 18:23 |
kaeza |
it's cavegen AFAIK |
| 18:23 |
kaeza |
or was |
| 18:26 |
* Jordach |
has been working on a Lua Terminal for a Computer Craft style mod |
| 18:26 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: doesn't digilines mod already have one? |
| 18:26 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, not like that |
| 18:26 |
Jordach |
it doesnt have Lua Terminals, Luacontrollers are different |
| 18:27 |
Jordach |
and My terminal is like your well loved bash shell |
| 18:27 |
Jordach |
s/M/m |
| 18:27 |
VanessaE |
nono, digilines. not mesecons. |
| 18:27 |
VanessaE |
brb |
| 18:28 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, https://gist.github.com/Jordach/6932906 |
| 18:29 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, i've been programming in Lua again :D |
| 18:29 |
PilzAdam |
!pil Jordach |
| 18:29 |
MinetestBot |
Jordach, someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/ |
| 18:30 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, already done that |
| 18:30 |
Jordach |
for the past 6 houts |
| 18:30 |
Jordach |
hours* |
| 18:30 |
kaeza |
!pilz adam |
| 18:31 |
kaeza |
:< |
| 18:31 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, https://gist.github.com/Jordach/6932906 |
| 18:31 |
Jordach |
qhoops |
| 18:31 |
Jordach |
s/that gist/http://imgur.com/a/VyiEf |
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Menche |
Sorry! We're busy running around with our hair on fire because Imgur is over capacity! |
| 18:33 |
RealBadAngel |
hi |
| 18:33 |
Menche |
hi |
| 18:33 |
RealBadAngel |
sfan5, here? |
| 18:33 |
Jordach |
!seen sfan5 |
| 18:33 |
MinetestBot |
Jordach: sfan5 was last seen at 2013-11-04 16:27:26 UTC on #minetest |
| 18:33 |
Jordach |
:P |
| 18:34 |
RealBadAngel |
i just pushed some changes to shaders, wanted him to check if hes still having errors |
| 18:34 |
Menche |
Jordach uses Windows NT? |
| 18:35 |
Jordach |
Menche, i cannot detect individual windows versions |
| 18:35 |
Jordach |
but then again all windows are now decendants of NT |
| 18:35 |
Menche |
yeah i know :P |
| 18:35 |
Jordach |
i used a tiny trick in Lua to find if it's UNIX or Windows |
| 18:37 |
Menche |
can determine if it's Windows NT as opposed to Windows 3.1x or Windows 9x? |
| 18:38 |
Warr1024 |
that shouldn't be too hard |
| 18:38 |
Warr1024 |
will minetest even run on 3.1? |
| 18:43 |
* Menche |
has a Fedora Core 2 cd, wonder if that will run minetest. |
| 18:43 |
Calinou |
probably doesn't have recent enough irrlicht |
| 18:47 |
kaeza |
no love for DOS 5.0? |
| 18:47 |
kaeza |
:< |
| 18:48 |
Menche |
contest to see how old of an OS you can get minetest running on! |
| 18:48 |
Warr1024 |
could be tricky to get djgpp to compile irrilicht, mt, etc. in an environment with no opengl... |
| 18:49 |
kaeza |
Warr1024, there's OpenGL for DOS :P |
| 18:49 |
kaeza |
well, Mesa |
| 18:49 |
kaeza |
or whatever |
| 18:49 |
Warr1024 |
hm, |
| 18:49 |
OldCoder |
kaeza, Hi |
| 18:49 |
Warr1024 |
sounds like an interesting challenge |
| 18:49 |
Warr1024 |
freedos might be more conducive to actually working, though. |
| 18:50 |
kaeza |
hey OldCoder |
| 18:51 |
kaeza |
Minetest using CGA or EGA graphics would be interesting <.< |
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| 18:52 |
vitto |
is possible minetest on game consoles? |
| 18:52 |
Warr1024 |
I don't see why not |
| 18:52 |
Warr1024 |
if you can find a decent compiler |
| 18:52 |
vitto |
on XBLA? |
| 18:52 |
Warr1024 |
vitto: wouldn't you have to basically rewrite it in .NET for that to happen? |
| 18:55 |
Jordach |
nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope |
| 18:55 |
Jordach |
C and C++ are usually used on XBLA |
| 18:55 |
Warr1024 |
ah, cool |
| 18:56 |
Jordach |
!plz Adam :D |
| 18:56 |
TheLastProject |
XBLA =/= XNA |
| 18:56 |
Warr1024 |
then I guess it would depend on whether irrilicht can be built for XBLA? |
| 18:56 |
Jordach |
should be |
| 18:56 |
Jordach |
XBOX 360 uses D3D8 |
| 18:56 |
Jordach |
afaik |
| 18:56 |
* Calinou |
hooves^Whands TheLastProject a ≠sign |
| 18:56 |
Calinou |
or != |
| 18:56 |
TheLastProject |
I'd prefer != |
| 18:56 |
Warr1024 |
y'all both wrong. ~= |
| 18:56 |
TheLastProject |
Unicode is bad, mang |
| 18:57 |
TheLastProject |
EWWW |
| 18:57 |
TheLastProject |
WHAT THE HELL IS THAT |
| 18:57 |
Warr1024 |
lua |
| 18:57 |
TheLastProject |
That looks like "is about" |
| 18:57 |
Warr1024 |
I know, I don't like it either. |
| 18:57 |
Calinou |
:þ |
| 18:57 |
Warr1024 |
it always bugs me switching between languages that use different != operators. |
| 18:57 |
Warr1024 |
at least it beats the old <> |
| 18:57 |
JackGruff |
at least it beats PHP :) |
| 18:58 |
Menche |
-ne |
| 18:58 |
Menche |
^ bash inequality operator |
| 18:58 |
Warr1024 |
ha |
| 18:58 |
Warr1024 |
perl uses != for numerical/ordinal inequality, and ne for string inequality. |
| 18:58 |
Menche |
well, for integers. != is for strings. |
| 18:59 |
Warr1024 |
oh, yeah, that's awesome, perl and sh are backwards. |
| 18:59 |
Warr1024 |
how could I forget. |
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| 18:59 |
Menche |
hooray for standards |
| 19:00 |
Warr1024 |
https://xkcd.com/927/ |
| 19:00 |
kaeza |
http://zachbruggeman.me/dogescript/ |
| 19:00 |
* Menche |
was actually thinking of that xkcd comic :P |
| 19:01 |
Warr1024 |
kaeza: this is like a dialect of lolcat scripting or something? |
| 19:02 |
kaeza |
Warr1024, dogescript :P |
| 19:02 |
Jordach |
so well codede |
| 19:02 |
kaeza |
such language so modern wow |
| 19:02 |
Jordach |
!op |
| 19:03 |
Warr1024 |
hey Jordach, maybe you need a DogeTerminal. |
| 19:03 |
|
Topic for #minetest is now Website: http://minetest.net | Rules: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | Core Devs: #minetest-dev | Servers: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC Logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | Talk like a doge day. |
| 19:03 |
kaeza |
so topick wow |
| 19:03 |
Jordach |
such idea good |
| 19:03 |
TheLastProject |
such topik |
| 19:04 |
Jordach |
...long see how long topick last |
| 19:05 |
Jordach |
doge language difficult no |
| 19:05 |
TheLastProject |
such Jordach |
| 19:05 |
Jordach |
such TheLastProject |
| 19:05 |
TheLastProject |
wow |
| 19:06 |
TheLastProject |
good #minetest |
| 19:06 |
Warr1024 |
hey, anyone know if I can minetest.register_node() a node to use 6d facedir instead of the 4d facedir by default? |
| 19:06 |
Jordach |
good RE R34 |
| 19:06 |
Warr1024 |
(it's ok if you can't answer in doge) |
| 19:06 |
TheLastProject |
such programming question wow |
| 19:06 |
TheLastProject |
(I would answer but I have no clue) |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
we're still waiting for Minetest R34 |
| 19:06 |
Warr1024 |
I've been using an on_construct hack. it's... hacky. |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
use your blender skillz for that |
| 19:07 |
Jordach |
such Warr1024 check evergreen minetest tweak mode |
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| 19:08 |
Warr1024 |
is this a fork or mod or something? |
| 19:08 |
Jordach |
such mode yes |
| 19:08 |
PilzAdam |
its a mod |
| 19:09 |
thexyz |
it seems the quality of conversations in this channel dropped quite a bit |
| 19:09 |
Warr1024 |
sorry ddg, I love ya, but google came through with this one... |
| 19:09 |
PilzAdam |
thexyz, I blame you |
| 19:09 |
thexyz |
PilzAdam: why? |
| 19:09 |
PilzAdam |
random |
| 19:09 |
thexyz |
? |
| 19:10 |
Warr1024 |
oh, I see. Evergreen did it on the node placement hook. |
| 19:10 |
PilzAdam |
we need to blame someone, so just picked someone random |
| 19:10 |
thexyz |
I'm not doing stupid shit like "talking like this meme picture" |
| 19:10 |
thexyz |
okay then |
| 19:10 |
TheLastProject |
such thexyz |
| 19:10 |
TheLastProject |
lol, sorry |
| 19:10 |
TheLastProject |
It's addicting... |
| 19:10 |
TheLastProject |
>.< |
| 19:11 |
thexyz |
bad stuff is |
| 19:13 |
* TheLastProject |
shares drugs with thexyz |
| 19:14 |
vitto |
#gay |
| 19:15 |
TheLastProject |
Oh, darling, if you only knew |
| 19:17 |
harrison |
quote |
| 19:17 |
harrison |
<thexyz> it seems the quality of conversations in this channel dropped quite a bit |
| 19:17 |
harrison |
unquote |
| 19:18 |
harrison |
i take full responsibility for it |
| 19:18 |
harrison |
i was away for a bit |
| 19:18 |
TheLastProject |
I'm sorry? :( |
| 19:18 |
harrison |
and you see what happens when i drop the conversational ball (to use a metaphor) |
| 19:19 |
harrison |
everything goes to pieces without me |
| 19:19 |
harrison |
one's public is so demanding! |
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| 19:22 |
reactor |
o/ |
| 19:22 |
reactor |
OldCoder: there? |
| 19:22 |
TheLastProject |
\o |
| 19:22 |
TheLastProject |
\o | |
| 19:22 |
TheLastProject |
\o [] |
| 19:22 |
TheLastProject |
| |
| 19:23 |
TheLastProject |
(That was supposed to be someone saying hi and walking away through a door. Meh, fail) |
| 19:23 |
OldCoder |
reactor, Hi |
| 19:23 |
OldCoder |
Here for a couple of minutes |
| 19:24 |
reactor |
mk |
| 19:24 |
reactor |
TheLastProject: this is interesting. Please go on./ |
| 19:24 |
TheLastProject |
reactor: I'm done :| |
| 19:24 |
reactor |
s/\/// |
| 19:24 |
OldCoder |
so present; very interested |
| 19:25 |
VanessaE |
reactor: protip: s:/:: |
| 19:25 |
reactor |
Eh? |
| 19:25 |
VanessaE |
use any other char instead of / for the delimiter if you have to match a / |
| 19:25 |
reactor |
Oh, I see. |
| 19:25 |
reactor |
Would that work in classic ed? |
| 19:27 |
Warr1024 |
s\#\\\#\#\\\\\#g |
| 19:28 |
Warr1024 |
as in: echo \# | perl -pne s\#\\\#\#\\\\\#g |
| 19:28 |
VanessaE |
idk, I refer to it as in sed. |
| 19:28 |
VanessaE |
I assume other progs that accept sed syntax will accept the full syntax. |
| 19:28 |
Warr1024 |
I never liked sed. |
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| 19:29 |
Warr1024 |
it was such a PITA until I discovered "perl -pne" |
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| 19:38 |
reactor |
So. |
| 19:38 |
reactor |
minetestmapper-cpp cuts the map |
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| 19:39 |
reactor |
Can't see the edges. |
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| 19:47 |
dafull97 |
keep timing out? :/ |
| 19:51 |
reactor |
OldCoder: /notice'd you |
| 19:51 |
OldCoder |
reactor, That seems to go to random screens for me |
| 19:51 |
OldCoder |
I may not be able to find it; better to PM |
| 19:52 |
reactor |
So, it's ready. I'm processing some more layers underground, to paste it later to prevent sand and such from falling down. |
| 19:52 |
reactor |
Like that? |
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| 19:53 |
dafull97 |
OldCoder, im bout leave school wont be home for about 1:30mins |
| 19:53 |
OldCoder |
|
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rubenwardy |
rector, minetestmapper.exe -help |
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| 20:04 |
rubenwardy |
see bounds |
| 20:06 |
Calinou |
You have a vision; in this vision, you see bounds is a villager! |
| 20:06 |
PilzAdam |
may be traitor, though |
| 20:06 |
Calinou |
PilzAdam: btw: ##werewolf |
| 20:08 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
| 20:08 |
Calinou |
PilzAdam, a traitor, has died of an unknown disease. |
| 20:09 |
reactor |
A tractor? |
| 20:09 |
Calinou |
a reactor! |
| 20:09 |
reactor |
No. |
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reactor |
EvergreenTree: o/ |
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sfan5 |
meow |
| 20:41 |
VanessaE |
woof. |
| 20:41 |
Peacock |
moo |
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EvergreenTree |
bark |
| 20:46 |
MinetestBot |
beep. |
| 20:46 |
Peacock |
http://youtu.be/sh58h9kKp9w |
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| 20:46 |
Jordach |
for once imgur isnt working D: |
| 20:46 |
Jordach |
http://sfan5.dyndns.org/upload/userdata/3/untitled.png KA-BOOWM! |
| 20:47 |
sfan5 |
<3 |
| 20:47 |
thexyz |
bas080: btw the server crashed |
| 20:47 |
Jordach |
i actually made the RPG at school, just finished it here |
| 20:47 |
thexyz |
bas080: 00:04:23: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: LuaError: error: /home/minetest/ocd/bin/../games/OCD/mods/wield3d/init.lua:65: calling 'add_entity' on bad self (table expected, got nil) |
| 20:47 |
sfan5 |
>at school |
| 20:47 |
sfan5 |
wut |
| 20:47 |
thexyz |
lol |
| 20:47 |
thexyz |
00:47:16: ERROR[ServerThread]: Serverlist at url servers.minetest.net error (Timeout was reached) |
| 20:47 |
thexyz |
can't announce to localhost |
| 20:48 |
sfan5 |
heh |
| 20:48 |
Jordach |
sfan5, i take a flash pen loaded with blender, lua and some other shit |
| 20:48 |
thexyz |
poor thing |
| 20:48 |
Jordach |
they can't touch me |
| 20:48 |
* sfan5 |
puts a kitten on Jordach which is trained to touch things |
| 20:49 |
thexyz |
`touch Jordach` |
| 20:49 |
sfan5 |
plol |
| 20:50 |
Jordach |
meow |
| 20:50 |
* Jordach |
pets MinetestBot |
| 20:50 |
* MinetestBot |
purrs... <3 |
| 20:50 |
thexyz |
<3 |
| 20:50 |
* sfan5 |
hugs MinetestBot |
| 20:51 |
thexyz |
⤠|
| 20:51 |
sfan5 |
I'm sure it would be pretty awkward if #minetest would meet in RL :D |
| 20:51 |
Jordach |
Mesecon anyone |
| 20:51 |
Jordach |
it's a Minetest Convention :D |
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sfan5 |
s/Minetest/MESE/ |
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thexyz |
not going to happen, everyone is too far away |
| 20:52 |
sfan5 |
yeah |
| 20:53 |
sfan5 |
another problem would be that everyone would need to have time |
| 20:53 |
Peacock |
or travel money, which judging by the android thread, doubtful lol |
| 20:53 |
thexyz |
indeed |
| 20:55 |
Peacock |
3$ vs plane ticket and TSA groping for some... ;p; |
| 20:55 |
Peacock |
*lol |
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Jordach |
i'd take the anal fisting over $3 |
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sfan5 |
*cough* |
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Jordach |
plol |
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Peacock |
jordach http://youtu.be/yspHR4IxKiU |
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Menche |
!title |
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MinetestBot |
Menche: Beavis and Butthead Do America Cavity Search - YouTube |
| 20:56 |
Jordach |
Menche, get Quassel |
| 20:56 |
Jordach |
it's way better than fagchat |
| 20:56 |
Peacock |
i prefer croissant |
| 20:56 |
Peacock |
quassel sounds like a pastry |
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thexyz |
just use irssi |
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Menche |
what's a CTCP VERSION? |
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ShadowNinja |
I think irssi is dead. |
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thexyz |
because? |
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ShadowNinja |
Menche: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#ctcpversion |
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Peacock |
irssi "client of the future" but it looks like it was written to run on a terminal for old VGA screens lol |
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Peacock |
though i still prefer xchat to hexchat, hexchat has to be configured to use system colors :/ |
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thexyz |
but it's cool |
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thexyz |
it can run on anything |
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thexyz |
and at the same time it's convenient to use |
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Peacock |
yeah but ...OCD lol can't have a bunch of apps with different visual styles lol |
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thexyz |
so I don't see anything wrong with it being "written to run on a terminal for old VGA screens" |
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Peacock |
like walking into a neighbourhood with semi-detached, bungalows, 2-stories and mcmansions all on the same narrow street lol |
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thexyz |
(I don't think it's true to start with) |
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thexyz |
well, I wasn't talking about xchat or hexchat |
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Peacock |
well i think the slogan could be something else, looking at screenshots it doesn't feel like the client of the future |
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thexyz |
hah |
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thexyz |
judging programs by screenshots is totally unnice |
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Peacock |
well its the first thing people do, that or look up it's wiki page |
| 21:09 |
thexyz |
this doesn't mean it's the right thing to do |
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thexyz |
people do many crazy things |
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Peacock |
that's what the removal of safety labels is for - population control XD |
| 21:12 |
Peacock |
well in Europe its the lack of speed limits, but it amounts to the same lol |
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thexyz |
we should deprecate irc and use xmpp |
| 21:13 |
Peacock |
isn't that a linux music player? |
| 21:13 |
thexyz |
(we as in "humanity") |
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thexyz |
nice joke but it's "Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol" |
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sfan5 |
!g irc vs xmpp |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4149380/whats-the-best-open-protocol-for-chat-room-software |
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Warr1024 |
xmpp "chatrooms" aren't really as mature/stable/full-featured as irc's. |
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Warr1024 |
xmpp's better for point-to-point than multicast |
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Peacock |
xmms, acronyms, keeping track of them is a fulltime job lol |
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Peacock |
anyone heard the joke around 99' about the Millenial Year Assembly Software Suite? |
| 21:17 |
Peacock |
slightly different version here: http://www.joke-archives.com/Y2k/newsoft.html |
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thexyz |
Warr1024: well, yeah; still it's got nice features IRC will never have |
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thexyz |
like decentralization |
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Peacock |
so netsplits dont happen? |
| 21:20 |
thexyz |
of course something like this could happen if a big jabber server goes offline for some reason |
| 21:21 |
thexyz |
not just "could", it happens; it's impossible to live without netsplits |
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thexyz |
but decentralization is good because you don't need multiple accounts, i.e. one at freenode, one at rizon, etc, etc |
| 21:22 |
Warr1024 |
thexyz: you mean it's technically infeasible not to have them, or do you mean that you can't imagine the travesty that life would be without glorious netsplits? |
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thexyz |
Warr1024: the former |
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thexyz |
and you don't have hacks like "chanserv" or "nickserv" |
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thexyz |
because it's built into the protocol |
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sfan5 |
good night |
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thexyz |
Warr1024: but the latter is somehow true too |
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thexyz |
because the only way to eliminate netsplits is to destroy the internet |
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thexyz |
and then all PCs |
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Warr1024 |
hey, any reason why saplings aren't group:flora? |
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Warr1024 |
seems like all the other planted growing things are |
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Gronx |
Does anyone know if ghostshell is still active in the community? |
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dafull97 |
kaeza, got a few questions |
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kaeza |
...and? |
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kaeza |
do not ask to ask; just ask |
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dafull97 |
what happend to the low end server? |
| 22:30 |
kaeza |
what server? |
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dafull97 |
mcbride.homelinux.net |
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kaeza |
!up mcbride.homelinux.net |
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MinetestBot |
mcbride.homelinux.net:30000 seems to be down |
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kaeza |
:? |
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kaeza |
the server's up though |
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kaeza |
kizeren must be having DNS issues again |
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Peacock |
my ISP's dns sucks even more, i use googles' now lol |
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Peacock |
for a long time i couldn't figure out why system updates weren't downloading until i changed dns's lol |
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VanessaE |
holy crap, I just tried out 0.3.3 just to check something... IT IS INSANELY FAST compared to 0.4.x |
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Peacock |
isn't that what i said about mt classic? :P |
| 22:35 |
Peacock |
and people say the old mapgen was slower (poppycock) |
| 22:35 |
VanessaE |
I mean the rendering engine |
| 22:35 |
VanessaE |
it's insanely fast |
| 22:35 |
VanessaE |
it never drops below 60 fps even in situations that would make 0.4.x chokle |
| 22:35 |
Peacock |
well do you have all the same mods you run on the latest version? |
| 22:35 |
VanessaE |
choke* |
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VanessaE |
I'm talking about open land with just dirt and trees, 0.4.x can't even begin to keep up with this |
| 22:35 |
Peacock |
there were some 0.4.x versions where i got 60 FPS, but most of the versions, it's averaged around 20 |
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VanessaE |
wtf went wrong? |
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| 22:36 |
Peacock |
either 0.4.3 or 0.4.4 was really fast for me |
| 22:36 |
Peacock |
0.4.5 no, 0.4.6 yes |
| 22:36 |
Peacock |
which is why it took me a long time to update from 0.4.6 lol |
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Peacock |
as for what went wrong, who knows? lol try tracking down which new feature caused what lol |
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Peacock |
liquids (normal and not normal) are a major source of game lag for me now |
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Peacock |
how do these algea pods look? |
| 22:43 |
Peacock |
http://s23.postimg.org/5lixra3rv/screenshot_625485183.png |
| 22:43 |
dafull97 |
yes, look good |
| 22:44 |
Peacock |
thining they should be a little more... round? |
| 22:44 |
Peacock |
http://solar.calfinder.com/assets/images/blog/algae-farm.jpg |
| 22:57 |
FreeFull |
What in minetest is round? |
| 22:58 |
Exio4 |
everything |
| 22:58 |
Exio4 |
the blocks are round, fix your eyes! |
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Exio4 |
VanessaE: welp! |
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stormchaser3000 |
hi |
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stormchaser3000 |
hunter |
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stormchaser3000 |
go to freenode.net then enter the chanel #stormchaser3000 |
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jecs |
were can i download minetest ? |
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ShadowNinja |
jecs: minetest.net/download |
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jecs |
thank you :) |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest_game: Revert dig time in creative mode to 0.5 1d4eb43f26 2013-11-04T15:46:39-08:00 http://git.io/ualq_g |
| 23:53 |
Peacock |
http://youtu.be/WWaLxFIVX1s |
| 23:54 |
Peacock |
actually i dont mind, but also, those infinite stacks are driving me nuts when im testing machines lol |
| 23:55 |
ShadowNinja |
Yes, I use UI and creative so I get infinitestacks of 99. |
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ShadowNinja |
+' ' |
| 23:55 |
Peacock |
normally i have my fork of UI too, but my new space game is totally from scratch, and just noticed how infinite stacks are annoying lol |
| 23:56 |
Peacock |
id rather creative stacks were like 1K instead of 99 |
| 23:58 |
kaeza |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=117080#p117080 is this guy teaching paramat how to mapgen? |
| 23:58 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 23:58 |
Peacock |
he doesn't need help with the actual mapgen bits :P |
| 23:58 |
Peacock |
though he could save alot of time by modularising certain bits he uses in all his mods (i noticed) |
| 23:59 |
Peacock |
like how some mods are voxnipples and others use regular ongen |
| 23:59 |
kaeza |
I've seen many mods containing stuff that could be useful to other mods as well, but is not "exported" |
