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| 00:03 |
diemartin |
us{0gb, look at how the default doors make it |
| 00:04 |
diemartin |
those are 2 nodes tall |
| 00:04 |
us{0gb |
diemartin, the default doors use two nodes per door, not one tall node. |
| 00:07 |
us{0gb |
I tried checking the scarecrows in (I think) framing_plus, and it's the same deal there, but with some obfuscation. |
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dafull97 |
hey babes, hahahahahahaha, jk... jk |
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dafull97 |
who has the locked_door mod? |
| 01:22 |
us{0gb |
Isn't the locked door in the default doors script? |
| 01:24 |
dafull97 |
idk, i added it... i think |
| 01:25 |
dafull97 |
locked_door - its under mods |
| 01:26 |
dafull97 |
i cant take doors out :( |
| 01:26 |
us{0gb |
Okay, I don't know then. |
| 01:29 |
dafull97 |
you know lua correct? |
| 01:29 |
us{0gb |
I do, yeas. |
| 01:29 |
us{0gb |
*yse |
| 01:29 |
us{0gb |
*yes |
| 01:30 |
dafull97 |
if i send you the init.lua could you figure out how to remove them? |
| 01:30 |
us{0gb |
How to make them removable or how to make all of them disappear? |
| 01:31 |
dafull97 |
make them removeable... only to y\the owner |
| 01:31 |
dafull97 |
the owner |
| 01:32 |
us{0gb |
Okay, sure. If they aren't already removable by the owner, that's a major (though easy to fix) bug. |
| 01:40 |
dafull97 |
i dont see how... i tried several times |
| 01:40 |
dafull97 |
can you help? |
| 01:45 |
us{0gb |
I already said I'd fix the code if you sent it. I'm not sure what more I can do. |
| 01:49 |
dafull97 |
ok i will send you the code |
| 01:51 |
dafull97 |
`http://pastebin.com/VeJcKGug |
| 01:52 |
us{0gb |
THat's not the whole code, only a fragment of it. |
| 01:53 |
NekoGloop |
http://i.imgur.com/X4Kxp3b.png :3 |
| 01:53 |
us{0gb |
That part doen't even deal with removing doors, only opening them. |
| 01:54 |
us{0gb |
That's an interesting shape on that sword. |
| 01:54 |
NekoGloop |
Indeed |
| 01:54 |
dafull97 |
wow, yea i guessso hahaha... holdo n |
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| 01:55 |
NekoGloop |
http://i.imgur.com/VXKtkq6.png This is a wooden sword :P |
| 01:55 |
us{0gb |
That looks like one of those Japanese pole swords. |
| 01:56 |
NekoGloop |
http://i.imgur.com/ATadpzM.png Stone... |
| 01:57 |
us{0gb |
A claymore? |
| 01:57 |
NekoGloop |
http://i.imgur.com/vus02th.png Bronze... |
| 01:57 |
NekoGloop |
us{0gb, sharp rock on stick |
| 01:57 |
us{0gb |
Okay, I don't know what the bronze one is. |
| 01:57 |
NekoGloop |
It's a curved sword with no hilt |
| 01:57 |
NekoGloop |
:P |
| 01:57 |
NekoGloop |
er, is hilt the right word... |
| 01:58 |
NekoGloop |
no guard, let's go with that |
| 01:58 |
NekoGloop |
http://i.imgur.com/QMnuSHm.png Steel. |
| 01:59 |
us{0gb |
I don't know what that is either, but it's interesting. |
| 02:00 |
ShadowNinja |
Those look good, better than default IMO. |
| 02:00 |
dafull97 |
us{0gb - http://5.231.69.196/init.lua |
| 02:00 |
NekoGloop |
ShadowNinja, I sure hope so; default sucks 8D |
| 02:01 |
us{0gb |
I like the default images myself. |
| 02:02 |
dafull97 |
us{0gb get it? |
| 02:02 |
us{0gb |
Yeah, I'm reading it now. |
| 02:02 |
dafull97 |
k |
| 02:03 |
us{0gb |
It looks like it should work. I'm going to try running it. |
| 02:03 |
NekoGloop |
http://i.imgur.com/yZA6aHN.png Diamond...? I guess. |
| 02:04 |
ShadowNinja |
Diamond tools are ridiculous. |
| 02:04 |
NekoGloop |
Diamond tools shouldn't function |
| 02:04 |
NekoGloop |
At least, not the way ours are made :P |
| 02:06 |
ShadowNinja |
It's like obsidian. It should shatter like glass but it is one of the strongest materials. |
| 02:06 |
NekoGloop |
The stone sword is literally random pieces from my stone texture |
| 02:07 |
NekoGloop |
Diamond wouldn't precisely shatter, but it wouldn't be -as- strong as depicted :P |
| 02:08 |
ShadowNinja |
http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6177965/ |
| 02:09 |
NekoGloop |
Yes, i know |
| 02:09 |
NekoGloop |
Still wouldn't -shatter- |
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| 02:09 |
NekoGloop |
Would break incredibly quickly, but not -shatter- |
| 02:09 |
NekoGloop |
Obsidian would though :P |
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us{0gb |
dafull97, debugged. Change line 98 to "return owner == player:get_player_name()". |
| 02:12 |
dafull97 |
k :) thanks |
| 02:12 |
us{0gb |
Yeah, no problem. |
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us{0gb |
Speaking of doors, I think I'm going to have to give up on my two unit high node. I'll have to hackily implement it as two separate nodes, the way doors currently are. |
| 02:17 |
dafull97 |
ohh, didnt know you was working on one |
| 02:18 |
dafull97 |
um, question... is there anyone working on programs that will "aid" Minetest |
| 02:18 |
us{0gb |
Yeah. I'm working on some nodes. Lately, I've been failing. |
| 02:18 |
dafull97 |
maybe like optimize it, etc... |
| 02:18 |
us{0gb |
What kind of applications? |
| 02:19 |
dafull97 |
idk, ones that are a different program but "aids" minetest etc... |
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us{0gb |
Optimization needs to happen in Minetest itself. You can't optimise much from a third-party application. |
| 02:20 |
NekoGloop |
And needs to happen, it does. |
| 02:20 |
us{0gb |
Probably. Definitely in some places. |
| 02:21 |
NekoGloop |
http://i.imgur.com/p1eqYbD.png Wood pick, http://i.imgur.com/0kaOTTa.png Stone pick. |
| 02:21 |
dafull97 |
well lua, is a hard programming language... and is not used in networking or anything haha |
| 02:21 |
dafull97 |
not for my needs |
| 02:21 |
us{0gb |
But I can't really get on anyone's case about that. I'm not doing anything about it, I can't expect others to. |
| 02:21 |
dafull97 |
amnd i need a programming language like C++ |
| 02:23 |
* NekoGloop |
pokes ShadowNinja with http://i.imgur.com/0kaOTTa.png and http://i.imgur.com/p1eqYbD.png |
| 02:23 |
NekoGloop |
(yes, I'm poking you with pickaxes.) |
| 02:25 |
us{0gb |
Or pictures of them, anyway. |
| 02:25 |
* us{0gb |
wishes he know how to poke people with PNGs and/or URIs |
| 02:25 |
ShadowNinja |
NekoGloop: Inner side of the stone one should be rounded a bit at the edge IMO. |
| 02:25 |
NekoGloop |
It's supposed to be a stone smacked on a stick |
| 02:26 |
NekoGloop |
:P |
| 02:26 |
dafull97 |
us{0gb, maybe you could teach me basics of modding in lua? |
| 02:26 |
dafull97 |
=D |
| 02:27 |
us{0gb |
I can try. But I'm not going to be as good as the documentation. |
| 02:29 |
dafull97 |
i learn hand-to-hand better than documentation |
| 02:29 |
dafull97 |
can we start tomarrow? |
| 02:30 |
us{0gb |
Okay, works for me. |
| 02:31 |
ShadowNinja |
dafull97: Looking at the code of other mods is the best way to learn. |
| 02:31 |
dafull97 |
what time? |
| 02:31 |
NekoGloop |
But don't look at glooptest, that shit's coded horribly :P |
| 02:31 |
us{0gb |
That and reading the Lua and Minetest API documentation. |
| 02:31 |
us{0gb |
What time? I don't know when I'll be home. |
| 02:32 |
us{0gb |
* NekoGloop slowly scoots glooptest under the table, out of sight |
| 02:32 |
NekoGloop |
I mean seriously that is the mod with the worst coding ever, its creator should be ashamed-- oh, right. |
| 02:33 |
dafull97 |
hahaha, i still cant t\remove door... when i click to open |
| 02:33 |
dafull97 |
when i click it open** |
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| 02:34 |
us{0gb |
You need to click and hold. |
| 02:35 |
dafull97 |
i do |
| 02:36 |
dafull97 |
oh, hahahaha |
| 02:36 |
dafull97 |
nevermind |
| 02:36 |
us{0gb |
Another option would be to use the left click to open doors. |
| 02:36 |
us{0gb |
I mean right click. |
| 02:37 |
NekoGloop |
I mean, middle click |
| 02:37 |
NekoGloop |
I mean, E button |
| 02:37 |
NekoGloop |
I mean, Alt-F4 |
| 02:37 |
NekoGloop |
fuck windows users |
| 02:37 |
us{0gb |
Oh, yeah, what was I thinking? I meant Alt + F4. |
| 02:38 |
us{0gb |
Windows users have alt and F4 keys though, I believe. |
| 02:38 |
NekoGloop |
Yes but it's a hotkey for "close current application" |
| 02:40 |
us{0gb |
Ah, I was unaware. Awesome! Let's do it. |
| 02:40 |
us{0gb |
Hmm. It has that effect in GNOME too, not just Windows. |
| 02:40 |
NekoGloop |
Yes, because everyone who has anything to do with minetest hates windows |
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thefamilygrog66 |
morning folks |
| 02:56 |
us{0gb |
Good morning! |
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| 03:07 |
zat |
I have noticed something in minetest... the viewing range is normally very short |
| 03:08 |
zat |
would this be “fixed†soon? |
| 03:08 |
thefamilygrog66 |
You can manually change it, zat. + key |
| 03:08 |
thefamilygrog66 |
(- to reduce it) |
| 03:09 |
zat |
thanks for clarify |
| 03:09 |
thefamilygrog66 |
you're welcome |
| 03:09 |
ShadowNinja |
Unfourtunately that trick only works well if viewing_range_nodes_min = 0. |
| 03:10 |
zat |
however... enlenghteninging the range does make my gpu struggle a bit. |
| 03:11 |
thefamilygrog66 |
yeah, embiggening really depends on your graphics card |
| 03:11 |
zat |
there should be some way to make far geometries less consuming |
| 03:17 |
zat |
...enlenghteninging |
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Hunterz |
hi |
| 05:46 |
Hunterz |
have minetest server something like console or telnet for executing server commands please? |
| 05:47 |
ShadowNinja |
Hunterz: There is the IRC mod + my irc_commands mod or Menche's external_cmd mod. |
| 05:48 |
Hunterz |
thanks |
| 05:49 |
Hunterz |
is there any mod, which can use skins from minecraft.net or some remote server? |
| 05:51 |
kaeza |
a command line interface to the server would be great |
| 05:53 |
ShadowNinja |
Hunterz: No, but it could be written with httpfetch or os.execute("wget...") |
| 05:53 |
kaeza |
could be doable externally with mods (I'm thinking of luasocket listening on a local socket, but dunno how portable would be to Win32) |
| 05:54 |
Hunterz |
which mod for adminstration minetest server do you recommend (need /spawn, /home, /kick /ban /ip-ban etc...)? |
| 05:55 |
ShadowNinja |
Hunterz: You will need to write your own mods, but xban and areas are helpfull. |
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ShadowNinja |
(Once kaezs fixes saving *ahem*) |
| 05:55 |
Hunterz |
thanks |
| 05:56 |
ShadowNinja |
kaeza* |
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* kaeza |
adds kaezs to the list of misc words to highlight him |
| 05:56 |
kaeza |
:P |
| 05:57 |
ShadowNinja |
kaeza: Just use a regex hilight rule of .* And you won't miss any of them. :-D |
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kaeza |
random: http://pastebin.com/fh6DvwiQ |
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kaeza |
mornings john_cephalopony |
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* kaeza |
runs |
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VanessaE |
hi |
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hoodedice |
Yo |
| 06:39 |
hoodedice |
What is left for 0.4.8 apart from Vmanip? |
| 06:39 |
hoodedice |
and shaders with bumpmapping? |
| 06:39 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues?milestone=1&page=1&state=open |
| 06:40 |
hoodedice |
Do we even have East Asian players? |
| 06:42 |
VanessaE |
I assume so |
| 06:42 |
hoodedice |
oh. |
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hoodedice |
later. |
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Hunterz |
have minetest some mod for whitelisting players? |
| 07:07 |
VanessaE |
no need. |
| 07:07 |
VanessaE |
just set your default privileges to not include interact. |
| 07:21 |
VanessaE |
haha |
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jin_xi |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u011XHmYq1Q |
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Hunterz |
is possible something like vanish (invisible mode) for admins ? |
| 08:16 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 08:16 |
VanessaE |
via the IRC and IRC_commands mods |
| 08:16 |
VanessaE |
you can control the server remotely without being on it |
| 08:17 |
VanessaE |
(and of course you can chat through there if so desired) |
| 08:17 |
VanessaE |
there is also a mod that will execute commands that are written to a file |
| 08:18 |
VanessaE |
e.g. echo "/shutdown" >/tmp/somefile |
| 08:18 |
VanessaE |
I forget the name of that mod though |
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Hunterz |
hmmm nice |
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* t3o |
dreamt of blocks |
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kaeza |
suddenly: vaporware https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7340 |
| 08:31 |
VanessaE |
"weeping willow and palm trees" |
| 08:32 |
VanessaE |
gee I wonder where he'll be getting those :P |
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cy1 |
VanessaE: I think he's advertising for his particular map, not claiming the palm trees as his own design. |
| 08:58 |
VanessaE |
I know |
| 08:59 |
VanessaE |
the comment was more directed at how much work he's putting into it, rather than originality of design :) |
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cy1 |
Aha. |
| 09:14 |
VanessaE |
besides, I was just joking :) |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all; happy Vegetarian Day! :-D |
| 09:46 |
VanessaE |
ew, not my day for sure |
| 09:47 |
VanessaE |
hi :) |
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bas080 |
Vegetarian day, the day millions of plants and plant products come to die :( |
| 10:23 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 10:23 |
VanessaE |
I guess cornernote will show up eventually :D |
| 10:24 |
VanessaE |
bas080: did you see my comments on the forum re: bees? |
| 10:24 |
bas080 |
no, am checking |
| 10:24 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 10:24 |
bas080 |
i see |
| 10:25 |
bas080 |
it would be really hard to recognize a swarm |
| 10:25 |
VanessaE |
yeah but it looks weird just..hanging there |
| 10:25 |
VanessaE |
plus there's hardly much of a swarm :P |
| 10:26 |
bas080 |
more particles? |
| 10:26 |
Exio4 |
i'm not vegetarian nor i mean a lot of meal |
| 10:26 |
Exio4 |
i'm weird |
| 10:26 |
VanessaE |
well to call it a swarm, I'd say so |
| 10:26 |
Exio4 |
junk food ftw |
| 10:27 |
bas080 |
Wouldn't that just slowdown servers |
| 10:27 |
VanessaE |
then you don't need the selection box if there are enough bees |
| 10:27 |
VanessaE |
naw |
| 10:27 |
VanessaE |
particles only affect clients, not servers. |
| 10:27 |
VanessaE |
if you're using a particle spawner that is |
| 10:27 |
bas080 |
shared particles do? |
| 10:27 |
bas080 |
No i don't think so. |
| 10:27 |
VanessaE |
they're entities? |
| 10:27 |
bas080 |
no |
| 10:27 |
bas080 |
they are particles |
| 10:28 |
bas080 |
but i'm spawning every particle individually |
| 10:28 |
VanessaE |
ok, then they should only affect clients, and even then you'd need a ton..... ohhh |
| 10:28 |
bas080 |
not using an spawner |
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VanessaE |
you should probably use a particle spawner then |
| 10:29 |
bas080 |
i use minetest.add_particle |
| 10:29 |
bas080 |
ok |
| 10:29 |
bas080 |
will check |
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bas080 |
particle spawner "^ Playername is optional, if specified spawns particle only on the player's client" |
| 10:38 |
VanessaE |
right, you don't want that |
| 10:38 |
bas080 |
So it would effect server. |
| 10:38 |
VanessaE |
nono |
| 10:38 |
bas080 |
... |
| 10:38 |
VanessaE |
that means only on *that* player's client |
| 10:39 |
VanessaE |
else everyone sees the particles I think |
| 10:39 |
Exio4 |
particles are spawned client-side |
| 10:39 |
Exio4 |
for the server they are just a "tell the client that there is a particle spawning, and let it handle how it is working" |
| 10:40 |
bas080 |
So if i had 1000 particles it would have to send that information (pos, speed etc to all clients |
| 10:41 |
Exio4 |
the particle spawner is there for avoiding that |
| 10:41 |
Exio4 |
and the client is the one managing the 1000 particles |
| 10:41 |
bas080 |
ok |
| 10:41 |
bas080 |
Exio4 i got it |
| 10:41 |
bas080 |
;) |
| 10:42 |
VanessaE |
it just says "hey, client. Please start displaying a stream of 1000 particles with these attributes, and fuck off." |
| 10:42 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 10:46 |
kaeza |
literally, "I don't give a sh*t about what you do with these; not my problem" |
| 10:48 |
VanessaE |
lol |
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jojoa1997 |
Hi |
| 10:51 |
VanessaE |
hi |
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kaeza |
hi |
| 10:51 |
jojoa1997 |
VanessaE and Kaeza what versions of Linux do you use? |
| 10:51 |
VanessaE |
Debian sid |
| 10:52 |
kaeza |
Ubuntu Precise |
| 10:53 |
jojoa1997 |
Do you guys have trusted sources of downloads. My mom trusts Ubuntu but she wants a trusted download source. Also what is better Debian or Ubuntu for begginers? |
| 10:53 |
VanessaE |
trusted download source for Ubuntu? |
| 10:54 |
jojoa1997 |
As in CNET.com |
| 10:54 |
VanessaE |
http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ for the xfce variant, or http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop for plain ubuntu |
| 10:54 |
VanessaE |
those are THE sites to trust. |
| 10:55 |
jojoa1997 |
And there goes that |
| 10:55 |
VanessaE |
never go to places like C|Net. |
| 10:55 |
VanessaE |
for beginners, ubuntu is better. |
| 10:55 |
jojoa1997 |
Why not CNET and my mom doesn't trust Ubuntu.com |
| 10:55 |
kaeza |
>trusted >cnet |
| 10:55 |
VanessaE |
get your mom to the keyboard please. |
| 10:56 |
VanessaE |
ubuntu.com is the source of Ubuntu - it's where it comes from. there literally is no more trustworthy site than that. |
| 10:56 |
jojoa1997 |
Yeah. Tried that. Mom is at home and I will not let here know I have and chat on tablet. And |
| 10:56 |
VanessaE |
oh |
| 10:56 |
VanessaE |
well anyway |
| 10:57 |
jojoa1997 |
I am trying to get other trusted sites to refer back to Ubuntu.com |
| 10:57 |
VanessaE |
it's ubuntu.com or xubuntu.org or kubuntu.org, depending on which variant you want. |
| 10:58 |
jojoa1997 |
Stupid Ubuntu.org |
| 10:58 |
VanessaE |
no, .com |
| 10:58 |
jrabbit |
unless you mother has state secrets no one is going to make a hacked iso for her |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
Lol perfect time to lose connection |
| 10:59 |
Exio4 |
VanessaE: debian sid? :D |
| 10:59 |
Exio4 |
ince when? |
| 10:59 |
VanessaE |
Exio4: mmhmm? |
| 10:59 |
Exio4 |
since* |
| 11:00 |
VanessaE |
since a while now |
| 11:00 |
VanessaE |
motnhs |
| 11:00 |
VanessaE |
months* |
| 11:00 |
Exio4 |
cute |
| 11:00 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 11:01 |
* Exio4 |
uses debian sid too :P |
| 11:01 |
Exio4 |
i thought you used xubuntu |
| 11:01 |
VanessaE |
I used to. |
| 11:01 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
OK finally what is better |
| 11:01 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997|Tablet: it depends on your usage, but fo rmy money, xfce (xubuntu) |
| 11:02 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Ubuntu 12.04 or 13.04 |
| 11:02 |
VanessaE |
13.04 |
| 11:02 |
VanessaE |
may as well stick to what's current |
| 11:02 |
VanessaE |
though 13.10 will be out soon |
| 11:03 |
VanessaE |
looks to be due out about two and a half weeks from now |
| 11:04 |
bas080 |
is this one table minpos/maxpos, or two tables? |
| 11:04 |
VanessaE |
two tables I guess |
| 11:04 |
VanessaE |
I don't know how to use spawners though |
| 11:04 |
VanessaE |
*checks api* |
| 11:05 |
bas080 |
i keep getting init.lua:199: bad argument #-1 to 'add_particlespawner' (number expected, got nil) |
| 11:05 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 11:05 |
bas080 |
what is #-1? |
| 11:05 |
VanessaE |
I expect it wants standard postion tables there. |
| 11:05 |
VanessaE |
er, not sure |
| 11:05 |
bas080 |
is that the first argument? |
| 11:05 |
bas080 |
or the -1 argument? |
| 11:06 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/453#issuecomment-15339468 |
| 11:06 |
VanessaE |
that may help some |
| 11:08 |
kaeza |
bas080, that used to happen on the transition from `minetest.env:' to `minetest.' |
| 11:09 |
kaeza |
are you using minetest.env: or plain minetest.add_xxx ? |
| 11:09 |
bas080 |
i am |
| 11:09 |
kaeza |
...which one? |
| 11:09 |
bas080 |
replaced thnx |
| 11:10 |
bas080 |
replaced .env with nothing |
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bas080 |
so it should be minetest.get..... |
| 11:10 |
kaeza |
yep |
| 11:10 |
bas080 |
i do keep getting the error |
| 11:11 |
bas080 |
init.lua:200: bad argument #-1 to 'add_particlespawner' (number expected, got nil) |
| 11:12 |
bas080 |
https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6776948 |
| 11:12 |
bas080 |
what is wrong with the arguments? |
| 11:12 |
VanessaE |
your accel and velocity values |
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| 11:12 |
VanessaE |
I think those need to be tables also |
| 11:13 |
VanessaE |
well, the accel one, you did the other already |
| 11:13 |
VanessaE |
hm, I misread that... |
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| 11:14 |
bas080 |
they are |
| 11:14 |
VanessaE |
why is time 0? |
| 11:14 |
VanessaE |
and number of particles is 0.5? |
| 11:14 |
VanessaE |
that's doesn't make any sense? |
| 11:14 |
bas080 |
If time is 0 has infinite lifespan and spawns the amount on a per-second base |
| 11:14 |
bas080 |
from lua api |
| 11:14 |
VanessaE |
oh, didn't see that |
| 11:15 |
VanessaE |
set amount to 1? |
| 11:15 |
bas080 |
ok |
| 11:15 |
kaeza |
bas080, the vel/accel tables must be position tables (i.e. have x, y, and z fields) |
| 11:15 |
VanessaE |
you probably don't want infinite lifespan btw |
| 11:16 |
bas080 |
kaeza, i think your correct |
| 11:16 |
VanessaE |
oh yes |
| 11:16 |
VanessaE |
I didn't see that |
| 11:16 |
bas080 |
i tend to forget that. |
| 11:17 |
kaeza |
would be useful if the engine supported passing simple arrays (as in this case) |
| 11:17 |
VanessaE |
aside, you should see the bee stuff with HDX ;) |
| 11:17 |
bas080 |
kaeza, i agree |
| 11:18 |
bas080 |
ok... new nodebox? |
| 11:18 |
bas080 |
btw the spawner works nicely |
| 11:18 |
kaeza |
on a similar note, all positions, velocities, and accelerations use the "pos" tables (x, y, z), but nodeboxes and collision boxes use plain arrays |
| 11:18 |
VanessaE |
what new nodebox? |
| 11:19 |
bas080 |
aside, you should see the bee stuff with HDX |
| 11:19 |
VanessaE |
oh |
| 11:19 |
bas080 |
have you made a new nodebox too for the HD stuff |
| 11:19 |
bas080 |
? |
| 11:19 |
VanessaE |
no, HDX just adds textures |
| 11:19 |
kaeza |
that's kinda... inconsistent |
| 11:19 |
VanessaE |
there's no reliable way to redefine a node via a texture pac |
| 11:19 |
VanessaE |
pack* |
| 11:20 |
bas080 |
yes...VanessaE, i will check it soon |
| 11:20 |
VanessaE |
take your time |
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| 11:26 |
xiong |
Still figuring out pipeworks, specifically the sorting. Please correct me if I'm confused. If a series of similar items enters a plain tube with branches, it will split up and take each branch in strict alternation. Correct? |
| 11:26 |
VanessaE |
xiong: sorta |
| 11:27 |
VanessaE |
there's a cyclic mode which is on by default |
| 11:27 |
VanessaE |
and there's a random mode |
| 11:27 |
xiong |
Well, with some hand-waving thrown in. |
| 11:27 |
VanessaE |
or something to that effect |
| 11:27 |
xiong |
In any case I can reasonably expect each branch to be taken. |
| 11:27 |
VanessaE |
*waves hand* this is not the question you were looking for |
| 11:27 |
VanessaE |
in the default mode yes |
| 11:28 |
xiong |
Well, all of this demands my full attention, I can't imagine a pipeworks remark I would not want to hear. |
| 11:28 |
VanessaE |
in the other mode, it's a bit more predictable - items follow a simple "turn right" approach to an intersection I think it is |
| 11:28 |
VanessaE |
(nore coded it, so I'm not entirely familiar with it) |
| 11:28 |
VanessaE |
the latter option is usually faster |
| 11:28 |
VanessaE |
if you're trying to pipe everything to one place that is |
| 11:28 |
xiong |
Anyway: Mese sorting, if no exemplar is shown to any branch, will behave just like plain tube. Correct? |
| 11:29 |
VanessaE |
for example if you build a wall of nodebreakers on a framed platform, using conductive tubes, you'll want the 'second' option for speed. |
| 11:29 |
VanessaE |
yes, I think so |
| 11:29 |
xiong |
BR doesn't even offer conductive tubes. I don't know why; it seems a serious omission. |
| 11:29 |
xiong |
Anyway... |
| 11:29 |
VanessaE |
maybe his copy's just out of date |
| 11:30 |
xiong |
If an exemplar is shown on a branch, no item not matching the exemplar will take that branch. Correct? |
| 11:30 |
VanessaE |
I think so yes |
| 11:30 |
xiong |
Right, that's almost a trivial question. |
| 11:30 |
VanessaE |
items will bounce back out of the sorting tube if there's nowhere for them to route to |
| 11:30 |
VanessaE |
s/bounce/be rerouted/ |
| 11:31 |
xiong |
Here's the big one: If an exemplar is shown on a branch and no exemplar is shown on another, then what becomes of items matching the exemplar? |
| 11:31 |
xiong |
Do you see the rules conflict in my head? |
| 11:31 |
VanessaE |
so it's a good idea to use sorting tubes in pairs - one to do the sorting and one to act as a one-way valve on the main feed (so that rejected items can continue down toward additional tubes) |
| 11:31 |
VanessaE |
eh? |
| 11:32 |
xiong |
Yes, I always turn off the branch leading backwards. |
| 11:32 |
xiong |
Was I unclear? |
| 11:32 |
VanessaE |
not so much unclear as overly technical :P |
| 11:32 |
xiong |
Overly pedantic is just enough. |
| 11:32 |
VanessaE |
I speak plain english this early in the morning ;) |
| 11:32 |
xiong |
Concrete example: |
| 11:33 |
xiong |
Branch A is not shown any item. Branch B is shown stone. Branch C is turned off. Stone is sent into the mese sorting tube from Branch C. Will it all exit Branch B? |
| 11:34 |
xiong |
... assuming B is not blocked downstream, etc. |
| 11:34 |
VanessaE |
no, I think it is supposed to get bounced backwards |
| 11:34 |
xiong |
??? |
| 11:35 |
xiong |
B is shown stone. Why should stone bounce from that junction? |
| 11:35 |
xiong |
Coffee does sound like an awfully good idea. |
| 11:35 |
VanessaE |
so your best bet is more like this: |
| 11:35 |
VanessaE |
wait. |
| 11:36 |
VanessaE |
http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6179215/ |
| 11:36 |
VanessaE |
with the "upstream" side of the lower sorter turned off. |
| 11:37 |
VanessaE |
I believe that's how I did it last time I used it |
| 11:37 |
xiong |
I'm more or less totally confused by that picture. |
| 11:37 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 11:37 |
xiong |
I mean, it's clear enough what it is. But I don't see relevance to my question. |
| 11:37 |
VanessaE |
I guess I can't really answer your question any better than that. |
| 11:38 |
xiong |
Once again, I'm unable to communicate. |
| 11:38 |
xiong |
Um, I thought I'd worded the question so as to admit of the answers Yes, No, and I don't know. |
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| 11:38 |
xiong |
I usually do. |
| 11:38 |
VanessaE |
nore didn't really explain it well to me :) |
| 11:39 |
xiong |
I've managed to make the question seem more complex than it is, somehow. Sorry. |
| 11:39 |
VanessaE |
it's okay |
| 11:39 |
xiong |
I'm pretty sure you know, although maybe you don't. Please let me try again. |
| 11:39 |
VanessaE |
now you force me to go experiment :P |
| 11:40 |
xiong |
Here I say is a long line of mese sorting tube alternating with plain tube. At each junction there is another plain tube and a chest. |
| 11:40 |
xiong |
So at each junction, I show to the branch an exemplar of the item I want to go into that chest. Is this clear so far? |
| 11:40 |
VanessaE |
exemplar? |
| 11:40 |
VanessaE |
you mean example don't you? |
| 11:41 |
xiong |
The words are similar. |
| 11:42 |
xiong |
An 'example' might be a sample of some group. An 'exemplar' is more specifically a model, an example for imitation. |
| 11:42 |
xiong |
Erm, the example is one among many; the exemplar is held up above the rest. Very similar. |
| 11:44 |
xiong |
I don't say 'example' because, at the time the exemplar is selected and "shown" to the branch, there is no group from which it has been selected. The group is in the future; the intent is to create the group on the model of the exemplar. Okay? |
| 11:44 |
bas080 |
VanessaE, particle spawners are removed when server is restarted |
| 11:44 |
xiong |
I say "shown" because there's no obvious other word to describe placing a single item into the right-click form. |
| 11:45 |
xiong |
If you want to use other words, that's okay too. I'm trying to speak clearly. |
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xiong |
At each thing going to a thing, I put a thing into the thing so that things will go into the thing. |
| 11:47 |
VanessaE |
ok, I just set up a line of filters. Each input side is turned off. Each has a single output to a chest. |
| 11:47 |
xiong |
I'm asking the point that, if no exemplar is shown on a branch, then that branch is permissive and all items are free to go that way. |
| 11:47 |
bas080 |
i could save the particles table on server shutdown and load it on start |
| 11:47 |
VanessaE |
everything not matching the color for the chest output is routed straight on through to the next tube |
| 11:48 |
xiong |
So do all items matching the exemplar always take that branch? |
| 11:48 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 11:48 |
xiong |
Do you see the rules conflict in my head yet? |
| 11:48 |
VanessaE |
and if items feed in that don't match, they go on back out to the nearest unconfigured exit it looks like |
| 11:48 |
xiong |
I am not discussing items not matching the exemplar -- at all. |
| 11:48 |
VanessaE |
argh |
| 11:49 |
VanessaE |
then what ARE you asking? |
| 11:49 |
VanessaE |
just speak plainly please |
| 11:49 |
xiong |
Okay, again. |
| 11:49 |
xiong |
Branch A is permissive; it has nothing shown to it. It will pass all items, right? |
| 11:49 |
xiong |
Branch B is shown a stone. |
| 11:49 |
xiong |
Branch B will pass only stone, right? |
| 11:49 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 11:49 |
xiong |
Branch C is turned off, it will pass nothing. Right? |
| 11:49 |
sfan5 |
hi everyone |
| 11:50 |
VanessaE |
nothing will go out through branch C I guess, yeah |
| 11:50 |
VanessaE |
hi sfan5 |
| 11:50 |
xiong |
Right. Now according to the previous three rules, it is not fully determined which way stone will go. |
| 11:50 |
VanessaE |
the stone will go to branch B, period. |
| 11:50 |
xiong |
Stone entering from Branch C is permitted to exit A, because A passes all items. |
| 11:51 |
VanessaE |
nope, because branch B has a match set for stone, stone will exit through that branch no matter where it comes in from |
| 11:51 |
xiong |
This does not seem to be the actual case! But according to the rules just stated, it should be. |
| 11:51 |
xiong |
So there is yet another rule, and this is what I've been scratching at all along. |
| 11:52 |
VanessaE |
I just tried it out here in singleplayer. lag aside, that's what it did. |
| 11:52 |
xiong |
Let me propose this and see if you agree: If an exemplar is shown to any branch of a junction, then matching items are forbidden to exit any other branch of the same junction. Yes? |
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| 11:53 |
BlockMen |
hi everyone |
| 11:53 |
VanessaE |
hang on, having a problem with something. |
| 11:53 |
VanessaE |
hi BlockMen |
| 11:53 |
xiong |
Hi, hi. |
| 11:54 |
xiong |
How many of you are there? Just curious. |
| 11:54 |
* xiong |
coffee smells |
| 11:54 |
bas080 |
so many bees! https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/Screenshots/screenshot_1943927302.png |
| 11:55 |
VanessaE |
hm, I see the conflict now, xiong |
| 11:55 |
VanessaE |
bas080: nice! |
| 11:55 |
xiong |
Right. Because when a plain tube allows two exits, the input is split among them (maybe). |
| 11:55 |
BlockMen |
bas080, looks kinda natural. good work |
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bas080 |
:) |
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BlockMen |
oh, btw..i used 3 textures of you in my pyramids mod (like you suggested) |
| 11:56 |
VanessaE |
xiong: the only way to ensure items go where you want is to make sure every color on a sorting tube has a match set for it, and to use multiple sorting tubes in a cascade layout |
| 11:56 |
xiong |
Ostensibly, the mese sorting might be set up so that, taken branch by branch, more than one exit is allowed for, say, stone. In my experience, all the stone takes the branch marked out for it. But I want to know if I can rely on this. |
| 11:56 |
BlockMen |
is cc-by-sa ok? |
| 11:57 |
dafull97 |
*Hello All! |
| 11:57 |
Evergreen |
This guy's sense of color coordination is completely off: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7342 |
| 11:57 |
Evergreen |
Hi dafull97 |
| 11:57 |
VanessaE |
you can, yes. If the items can get into the tube to begin with, and there's a match for that item, it *will* go toward the matching side for sure. |
| 11:57 |
dafull97 |
Evergreen.... |
| 11:57 |
dafull97 |
hahahaha |
| 11:57 |
xiong |
Ah, but that's not possible, VanessaE. Because each branch can only have a maximum of 6 exemplars given; and that means that any sorting system is limited to a total of 30 types. |
| 11:57 |
xiong |
Never mind my last remark. |
| 11:57 |
VanessaE |
the only real inconsistency is with non-matching items entering from certain sides, but there's probably a pattern to that. |
| 11:58 |
xiong |
I was responding to what you'd said previously. |
| 11:58 |
VanessaE |
if you're cascading sorting tubes, you just have to make sure each tube responds to no more than 6 items (one per color) |
| 11:58 |
xiong |
If two or more branches are permissive -- by which I mean no exemplar given -- then items entering may leave by either. That's fine. |
| 11:58 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 11:59 |
VanessaE |
hi dafull97 |
| 11:59 |
xiong |
Ah, sorry. I realize this seems to be kind of... dweezely. But then I'm a very dweezely guy. |
| 11:59 |
dafull97 |
Hello VanessaE... |
| 12:00 |
xiong |
I've spent many hours proving beyond the least shadow of doubt that something that is, patently, obviously, and clearly a square... really is a square. |
| 12:00 |
xiong |
Nor did I feel the time wasted. :) |
| 12:00 |
xiong |
Thanks for the discussion, VanessaE. I'll be getting back to my blocks now. |
| 12:01 |
VanessaE |
hope I helped. |
| 12:02 |
dafull97 |
is us ogb here? |
| 12:03 |
dafull97 |
0gb* |
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Evergreen |
nope |
| 12:03 |
Nocte| |
Hmm.. Could somebody link me the furniture mods again? My laptop crashed when I was playing. :| |
| 12:04 |
Nocte| |
I forgot to save the links. |
| 12:04 |
dafull97 |
oh he will be teaching me Lua =D |
| 12:04 |
VanessaE |
lrfurn, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5407 -- homedecor, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=26061 -- cottages, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5120 |
| 12:08 |
Nocte| |
Thanks. :] |
| 12:09 |
Nocte| |
Do I need anything else to get those to work? |
| 12:09 |
Nocte| |
(Homedecor + Cottages.) |
| 12:09 |
VanessaE |
afaik, no. they should all be usable separately. |
| 12:09 |
VanessaE |
but homedecor recommends moreores and moreblocks. |
| 12:13 |
Nocte| |
Okay, installed the mods. |
| 12:14 |
Nocte| |
Hmm... I guess I could try out multiplayer at some point. |
| 12:15 |
bas080 |
bees mod pushed |
| 12:16 |
* dafull97 |
is bored, at school |
| 12:18 |
VanessaE |
bas080: pulled :) |
| 12:18 |
Nocte| |
Not a shocker... @dafull97. |
| 12:19 |
bas080 |
VanessaE, was the flora group a real thing? |
| 12:19 |
bas080 |
or did i think of that? |
| 12:19 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 12:19 |
bas080 |
ok |
| 12:19 |
bas080 |
... |
| 12:19 |
VanessaE |
it's used by default flowers for the spawning abm |
| 12:19 |
Nocte| |
I'm going to start a mine near my house... :D Also, is it possible to build 'walls'? |
| 12:19 |
bas080 |
ok, so am being consistent to a certain extent. good to know. |
| 12:20 |
Nocte| |
Or does that simply take too much time and effort? |
| 12:21 |
VanessaE |
walls? |
| 12:21 |
Nocte| |
Medieval stone walls. :D |
| 12:21 |
VanessaE |
DanDuncombe's castles mod |
| 12:22 |
VanessaE |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=109594 |
| 12:22 |
VanessaE |
or you could use the default cobble and stone bricks nodes too |
| 12:22 |
VanessaE |
depends on your tastes |
| 12:22 |
VanessaE |
bas080: don't you have some kind of tapestries mod that would fit well with that ^^^^^^ |
| 12:22 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 12:23 |
Nocte| |
Heh. |
| 12:23 |
bas080 |
VanessaE, flags mod... but i don't have tapestry |
| 12:23 |
bas080 |
carpet mod... |
| 12:23 |
VanessaE |
hm, I coulda sworn there was one somewehre. |
| 12:24 |
bas080 |
from Jordach |
| 12:24 |
bas080 |
but that just a floor node |
| 12:25 |
VanessaE |
bas080: oh this is nice, good job |
| 12:25 |
VanessaE |
like a real swarm now |
| 12:26 |
VanessaE |
ow, I think I just got stung :P |
| 12:28 |
VanessaE |
I might suggest keeping them closer to their spawn point |
| 12:28 |
VanessaE |
they seem to fly a rather long distance away from it |
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| 12:30 |
VanessaE |
yeah, you should do that. reduce the max distance to about a third of what it is now |
| 12:30 |
e1z0 |
is it possible to build static minecraft build on linux/unix ? |
| 12:30 |
e1z0 |
btw, good day |
| 12:30 |
VanessaE |
e1z0: minecraft? |
| 12:30 |
VanessaE |
er |
| 12:30 |
e1z0 |
oh |
| 12:30 |
e1z0 |
sorry |
| 12:30 |
e1z0 |
lol |
| 12:30 |
e1z0 |
just woke up, brains not working |
| 12:30 |
e1z0 |
i mean minetest |
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| 12:31 |
Nocte| |
How do I place these window shutters correctly? |
| 12:32 |
VanessaE |
they're intended to be placed on walls next to windows, but the work on floors also |
| 12:32 |
dafull97 |
e1z0, you were right the first time too.... hahaha |
| 12:32 |
VanessaE |
(I've seen them used for heater/AV vents, for example) |
| 12:33 |
e1z0 |
whut ? |
| 12:33 |
Nocte| |
Ah. :| |
| 12:33 |
Nocte| |
I see, what do I need for glass windows? |
| 12:33 |
VanessaE |
Nocte|: they don't have to be glass. but you cook sand to get glass. |
| 12:33 |
e1z0 |
if i build all required libs, as STATIC in gentoo, and them copy them alongside with minetest i think it should work |
| 12:34 |
Nocte| |
Cooking sand? How. o.o |
| 12:34 |
VanessaE |
in a furnace |
| 12:34 |
VanessaE |
C C C |
| 12:34 |
VanessaE |
C - C |
| 12:34 |
VanessaE |
C C C |
| 12:34 |
VanessaE |
C = cobble |
| 12:34 |
Nocte| |
Okay.. |
| 12:34 |
Nocte| |
I got a furnace.. So I better get sand. |
| 12:34 |
xiong |
If I build a server with more memory and alter standard settings, will I be able to run pipeworks, mesecons, and technic when no player is actually standing there watching it go? |
| 12:34 |
Nocte| |
Does Desert Sand work? |
| 12:35 |
VanessaE |
Nocte|: tes |
| 12:35 |
VanessaE |
yes* |
| 12:35 |
VanessaE |
xiong: no |
| 12:35 |
VanessaE |
you have to be near those things, because of how the server architecture works |
| 12:35 |
xiong |
What can be done? |
| 12:35 |
VanessaE |
you can extend the max active blocks range easily |
| 12:35 |
VanessaE |
but someone has to be online. |
| 12:35 |
xiong |
Ah, there we go. |
| 12:35 |
VanessaE |
but I guess it's exponential |
| 12:36 |
dafull97 |
xiong, do you play Darksides server still? |
| 12:36 |
Nocte| |
Better get some of that coal... :| |
| 12:36 |
xiong |
Right. Is there a place I should go to study up on 'max active blocks range'? |
| 12:36 |
VanessaE |
Nocte|: you can use leaves too |
| 12:36 |
xiong |
dafull97, I come in and out. |
| 12:36 |
xiong |
Why? |
| 12:37 |
VanessaE |
xiong: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L256 |
| 12:37 |
xiong |
Oh wait. Do you mean Dark Lord? So much darkness... |
| 12:37 |
xiong |
We need better names for servers. |
| 12:37 |
* xiong |
reads |
| 12:37 |
Nocte| |
And after I get the glass. How am I going to make a window out of it? |
| 12:38 |
VanessaE |
Nocte|: just place some glass? |
| 12:38 |
xiong |
Just place them Nocte|. Easy. |
| 12:38 |
VanessaE |
you know, lay down some cobble or whatever, place some glass, more cobble, etc until you have a nice lookign |
| 12:38 |
xiong |
If you like, you can install various mods that allow for more variety in glass. |
| 12:38 |
VanessaE |
looking wall |
| 12:38 |
VanessaE |
then add those shutters next to the glas |
| 12:38 |
VanessaE |
glass* |
| 12:38 |
VanessaE |
they do not open/close, mind oyu |
| 12:38 |
VanessaE |
oyu* |
| 12:38 |
VanessaE |
ARGH! |
| 12:39 |
Nocte| |
Woot. :D A Mine building and a home ready.. :D |
| 12:40 |
xiong |
Okay, then, strategic question, VanessaE. To allow more operation of the higher technical mods, would you suggest revving up all these numbers? Because I smell burning insulation after about 3 or 5. Or constructing dummy players to hold down the fort while real players are gone? |
| 12:40 |
VanessaE |
bas080: hm, the couple of swarms that were present have disappeared because the blocks there were in were unloaded. |
| 12:40 |
xiong |
I'm thinking of an 'igor' mod that allows players to spawn some number of dummy players, which stand around and do nothing except keep the chunk loaded and the machines running. |
| 12:41 |
xiong |
That expands the activity selectively instead of indiscriminately. Yes? |
| 12:41 |
bas080 |
i use the on_destruct to remove the particle spawner |
| 12:41 |
VanessaE |
xiong: I wouldn't take it above 3 or 4 at most. "dummy" players is your best bet but I don't know how to do that. |
| 12:41 |
VanessaE |
bas080: oh, it eventually came back |
| 12:42 |
xiong |
Neither do I; but I see something along that line as doable. |
| 12:42 |
Nocte| |
So much coal. o.o |
| 12:42 |
VanessaE |
bas080: make the max distance from the swarm smaller, they're flying way too far imho |
| 12:42 |
bas080 |
VanessaE. prpably lag |
| 12:42 |
bas080 |
VanessaE, i agree |
| 12:42 |
VanessaE |
bas080: I'd say make it 1/3 to 1/2 the current distance. |
| 12:42 |
VanessaE |
or better: |
| 12:43 |
bas080 |
i'll play with the velocity and speed vars |
| 12:43 |
bas080 |
yes? |
| 12:43 |
VanessaE |
make it really small, say 2 or 3 meters, and a *second* particle spawner that sends an occasional scout out say 20 meters |
| 12:43 |
VanessaE |
that way you get a *real* swarm but the occasional bee strays from the swarm to scout around a bit |
| 12:44 |
VanessaE |
(maybe one scout per 5 seconds or so) |
| 12:44 |
bas080 |
VanessaE. that would be realistic |
| 12:44 |
VanessaE |
*nod* |
| 12:44 |
bas080 |
atm, working on vines. Fixing the shear tool. |
| 12:44 |
* VanessaE |
watches her cat cram herself into a little box. just because :) |
| 12:45 |
bas080 |
cats are weird like that. |
| 12:45 |
VanessaE |
yup |
| 12:45 |
VanessaE |
the other one doesn't do that. she just parks herself on the bed or on top of my computer |
| 12:45 |
Hunterz |
hmm irc module and command works, nice... |
| 12:45 |
dafull97 |
xiong, i have land right beside you haha |
| 12:46 |
VanessaE |
Hunterz: yes, I use it. very useful |
| 12:46 |
xiong |
Eh? |
| 12:46 |
xiong |
Do you want mine, dafull97? |
| 12:47 |
xiong |
I don't even think I know which server you mean. |
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| 12:47 |
VanessaE |
bas080: don't forget to fix the issue where simply punching a vine makes it rot |
| 12:48 |
VanessaE |
(happens to willow and regular vines) |
| 12:48 |
bas080 |
VanessaE, i'm working on exactly that. The "how to get vines". |
| 12:48 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 12:49 |
Nocte| |
What's the biggest amount of some rare-ish ore that you have found in a cave system btw? |
| 12:49 |
dafull97 |
i think you are the rught person haha |
| 12:49 |
VanessaE |
gold, probably |
| 12:49 |
VanessaE |
depends on the balance you want between "rare" and "amount" |
| 12:49 |
dafull97 |
how log will you be on irc, xiong? |
| 12:50 |
Nocte| |
Gold ore? How many? :p |
| 12:50 |
VanessaE |
the rarer it is, the less you find, though when I played on redcrab's server, I managed to find a significant quantity of mithril |
| 12:50 |
VanessaE |
oh, a couple dozen mithrol, a bit more gold |
| 12:50 |
VanessaE |
mese is more common than one might think |
| 12:50 |
VanessaE |
er mithril* |
| 12:50 |
VanessaE |
brb |
| 12:51 |
Nocte| |
I only could find 17 Iron... Not that big of a haul. |
| 12:53 |
Hunterz |
how name have mod for logging node changes ? like logblock for bukkit pls |
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| 12:56 |
Evergreen |
Nocte|: I have been playing on redcrab's server for a long time, and I have collected two chests full of iron, and 20 stacks of mese blocks |
| 12:56 |
Evergreen |
(before mese was an ore, and just spawned as a block) |
| 12:58 |
kaeza |
Hunterz, it's not a mod |
| 12:58 |
kaeza |
it's included by default, you just need to enable it |
| 12:58 |
kaeza |
(BTW, rollback is the name of the system) |
| 12:59 |
kaeza |
it's a logging and "undo" mechanism |
| 12:59 |
kaeza |
"enable_rollback_recording = true" in minetest.conf to enable |
| 13:00 |
Nocte| |
Ah. |
| 13:01 |
Nocte| |
I've already mined quite deep. o.o |
| 13:01 |
kaeza |
Hunterz, BTW, I see you're liking IRC mod :-) |
| 13:01 |
Hunterz |
:) |
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| 13:01 |
TheSprtCz |
Hi |
| 13:01 |
Hunterz |
hi sprt :) |
| 13:01 |
Nocte| |
Damn, this is addicting. :| |
| 13:02 |
Nocte| |
I hope I don't spend countless hours in this game. |
| 13:02 |
kaeza |
Hunterz, feel free to stick the bot in ##mt-irc-mod if you want (and hang around there of coursE) |
| 13:02 |
kaeza |
hi TheSprtCz |
| 13:02 |
dafull97 |
im hoping by next week i can start making simple mods =D |
| 13:02 |
Nocte| |
I have to practice playing guitar too. >:[ |
| 13:02 |
VanessaE |
Hunterz: pay attention to the size of your log file. it can grow very rapidly on busy servers. |
| 13:02 |
VanessaE |
you may have to delete it once in a while. |
| 13:03 |
Nocte| |
At least I can blame something if I don't do that well. ;) |
| 13:03 |
Evergreen |
Oh and kaeza, now that I use xfce aseprite works like a charm |
| 13:03 |
Evergreen |
Thanks for pointing it out |
| 13:03 |
xiong |
dafull97, I don't know how to say this politely, dafull97; I don't mean to be rude. But whatever you want to say to me, you should say it all at once and now. |
| 13:03 |
kaeza |
Evergreen, \o/ |
| 13:03 |
kaeza |
yes, I don't know what's going on with Unity :/ |
| 13:04 |
kaeza |
np |
| 13:06 |
Hunterz |
logging node changes will be better into some database, then flush for example entries 2 weeks old... |
| 13:07 |
Hunterz |
is there any ingame lookup tool for node changes? |
| 13:07 |
VanessaE |
Hunterz: I would agree but as it stands, it's logged to a plain text file |
| 13:07 |
VanessaE |
yes, /rollback_check <radius> <#seconds> |
| 13:07 |
VanessaE |
will tell you who last changed the node |
| 13:07 |
Hunterz |
nice |
| 13:07 |
Hunterz |
thanks |
| 13:08 |
TheSprtCz |
I try to compiling a minetest on debian, but i return error code 2, can someone help me? |
| 13:08 |
VanessaE |
TheSprtCz: pastebin the entire error output |
| 13:08 |
TheSprtCz |
ok |
| 13:08 |
VanessaE |
use pastebin.com or similar |
| 13:10 |
Hunterz |
hmm will be fine for example wooden pickaxe bind to rollback command |
| 13:10 |
dafull97 |
xiong, so such as in one line of text? |
| 13:10 |
Hunterz |
like logblock on bukkit |
| 13:10 |
VanessaE |
well you could do that but it isn't necessary |
| 13:10 |
Exio4 |
make a proper tool |
| 13:10 |
Exio4 |
not wooden pickaxe |
| 13:10 |
VanessaE |
you'd have to modify the tool itself to do it though |
| 13:11 |
VanessaE |
also worldedit has the //inspect on command |
| 13:11 |
VanessaE |
which tells you the node you punched |
| 13:11 |
Exio4 |
called "rollback helper" and so |
| 13:11 |
Hunterz |
hmmm |
| 13:11 |
VanessaE |
(though it doesn't check the rollback) |
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xiong |
dafull97, you're demanding my attention without actually saying anything or asking anything -- without going anywhere. It will probably take you some time to understand what I just said. Until then, I'm sorry, I just can't devote my attention in this fashion. |
| 13:12 |
dafull97 |
xiong, im confused... sorry what ever i did... expalin one more time so i won't do it again... |
| 13:12 |
dafull97 |
explain* |
| 13:12 |
Hunterz |
rollback command reads from logfile? |
| 13:12 |
VanessaE |
Hunterz: yes |
| 13:12 |
VanessaE |
worldfolder/rollback.txt or something like that |
| 13:13 |
VanessaE |
(separate from the server's debug log) |
| 13:13 |
Nocte| |
Hehe... :] |
| 13:13 |
Hunterz |
ok |
| 13:13 |
Nocte| |
Finally decorated the house. |
| 13:13 |
Hunterz |
sprt pm... |
| 13:14 |
Nocte| |
O.o |
| 13:14 |
Nocte| |
Found a pyramid in the viewing distance. |
| 13:15 |
TheSprtCz |
BTW: is here an coredev or there're in different room? |
| 13:15 |
Hunterz |
exist some mod which can restrict number of mobs/entities per area/chunk or similar ? |
| 13:16 |
VanessaE |
there already is a global limit (49 per mapblock, by default) |
| 13:16 |
Hunterz |
ok |
| 13:16 |
VanessaE |
most mods that add entities are able to set limits also |
| 13:17 |
VanessaE |
(the TNT mod is an exception to that - I was playing with it in singleplayer earlier and it can make massive numbers of dropped blocks :D and huge holes in the ground :D :D ) |
| 13:17 |
dafull97 |
VanessaE, and other server Hosters... Question on a Server... when i walk and stuff... sometimes it sends me back to where i came from... and server says moved too fast resetting location, any ideas why it would do that? |
| 13:17 |
Nocte| |
Never go to a pyramid. |
| 13:17 |
Nocte| |
Never. |
| 13:17 |
Hunterz |
is there any other dimensions exept nether ? |
| 13:17 |
VanessaE |
Nocte|: not without a sword in hand anyway |
| 13:17 |
VanessaE |
Hunterz: nether isn't part of the default game. |
| 13:17 |
VanessaE |
by default, it's just the overworld |
| 13:18 |
Hunterz |
found nether mod |
| 13:18 |
VanessaE |
but there are mods that add nether, as you found, and a few different skyland thigns |
| 13:18 |
VanessaE |
like nyancat heaven, floatlands, etc. |
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| 13:18 |
VanessaE |
I don't know of any "aether" mod though |
| 13:18 |
kaeza |
tetris land? :] |
| 13:18 |
Hunterz |
:) |
| 13:18 |
Hunterz |
yesterday found interisting chess mod |
| 13:19 |
kaeza |
awww... jin_xi isn't here |
| 13:19 |
VanessaE |
dafull97: lag. anticheat will do that. |
| 13:19 |
VanessaE |
disable antichear. |
| 13:19 |
Nocte| |
Found my home again. Woot. :D |
| 13:19 |
VanessaE |
anticheat* |
| 13:19 |
kaeza |
you chearer you! |
| 13:19 |
Hunterz |
what? in the minetest are cheats? |
| 13:19 |
dafull97 |
ok, i thought it had somthing to do with that :/ what all can people do with anti-cheat disabled? |
| 13:20 |
Hunterz |
flyhack, xray? oh no |
| 13:20 |
VanessaE |
Hunterz: not exactly cheats so much as protections against possible cheating, yeah |
| 13:20 |
dafull97 |
would it be as bad as a FPS Game? |
| 13:20 |
VanessaE |
it's not like you can't modify a client to give you those things, but it's up to the server to decide if you can actually DO anything with you |
| 13:20 |
VanessaE |
them* |
| 13:21 |
dafull97 |
so they would have to hack through the server? |
| 13:21 |
Hunterz |
is there any protection against xray texturepacks? |
| 13:21 |
VanessaE |
for anything important, yeah |
| 13:21 |
TheSprtCz |
vanessaE: http://pastebin.com/m3hkfzdc here is an error |
| 13:21 |
VanessaE |
Hunterz: not that I know of. |
| 13:21 |
Nocte| |
With Pyramid mod, this game became a dungeon crawler. :| |
| 13:21 |
VanessaE |
Hunterz: but there is protection against being able to GET to the things you're seeing |
| 13:21 |
kaeza |
to prevent wallhacks (aka "xrays") the server would have to calculate which client sees which other client |
| 13:21 |
BlockMen |
new wallpaper: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/92nhbpd3d63qdma/mt_block3.png :) |
| 13:22 |
Hunterz |
nice |
| 13:22 |
kaeza |
that could be very computationally expensive |
| 13:22 |
Nocte| |
Damn those lava traps in pyramids. :| |
| 13:23 |
Evergreen |
I had an idea for a minimalistic minetest background, might try to do it at one point |
| 13:24 |
VanessaE |
Hunterz: if you can read the codebase and you can find ways to enhance those protections, please tell us |
| 13:24 |
xiong |
Okay, here's another pipeworks question: How can I get items to exit a system as entities? That is to say, I want a nozzle or output faucet. I have now a length of plain tube and items do exit it; but they don't go in the expected direction. It's like an ordinary kitchen faucet with a finger over the end, spraying in a random direction. |
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| 13:24 |
VanessaE |
for tubes, you just have to run a circuit to somewhere and just let it hang there. |
| 13:24 |
VanessaE |
for water pipes, you have to use a spigot. |
| 13:24 |
dafull97 |
Vanessaso they would have to hack through the server? |
| 13:24 |
VanessaE |
but you can't make the water exit as entities out of a water pipe |
| 13:25 |
dafull97 |
VanessaE, they would have to hack through the server? and sorry typo |
| 13:25 |
VanessaE |
dafull97: to do anything particularly useful with a hacked client, pretty much yeah. |
| 13:25 |
VanessaE |
otherwise the most a person can do is fly and maybe noclip. whoop-de-doo :) |
| 13:25 |
dafull97 |
K, thanks! |
| 13:26 |
Nocte| |
Hmm: I found a cave system inside my mine. |
| 13:26 |
VanessaE |
xiong: so basically what you see is how it is for now. |
| 13:26 |
xiong |
No, VanessaE; other items, specifically leaves in this case, although I have other uses in mind. Is there any way to control the direction of exit? |
| 13:26 |
Hunterz |
simple will be use mod, which detect on client unwanted texture on stone for example |
| 13:26 |
VanessaE |
no, there's no way to control that as far as I know |
| 13:26 |
VanessaE |
well |
| 13:26 |
VanessaE |
actually there *sorta* is |
| 13:26 |
Nocte| |
Not a cave system.. But normal cave. |
| 13:27 |
VanessaE |
if you run a tube circuit and you end the tube going *vertically*, the items will pop out right at the end |
| 13:27 |
VanessaE |
so you could run a horizontal tube, then bend down at the last meter and let things drop right there. |
| 13:27 |
VanessaE |
but that's about the most of it |
| 13:29 |
xiong |
Hm. Well, I'll live with it. Actually I tried the last meter straight down... and the items popped out to the side, unexpectedly. |
| 13:30 |
Nocte| |
Found some copper. |
| 13:30 |
xiong |
It's a long way to the top... if you wanna rock 'n' roll. |
| 13:30 |
VanessaE |
weird |
| 13:30 |
VanessaE |
they shouldn't do that. |
| 13:30 |
xiong |
I'll just move the goal. ;) |
| 13:31 |
bas080 |
i just copied the group of default:leaves to vines:side but leafdecay function will still not work even if it is not near wood group |
| 13:31 |
bas080 |
what is going on? |
| 13:32 |
dafull97 |
well gotta change classes, ttya later |
| 13:32 |
xiong |
Engineering solution of last resort: Move the goal. |
| 13:33 |
xiong |
Now it works perfectly. :) |
| 13:34 |
Nocte| |
Is there anyone who would want to do multiplayer? I could try that out. |
| 13:35 |
VanessaE |
bas080: no clue on that |
| 13:38 |
Nocte| |
Hmm.. I stumbled upon gravel while mining. |
| 13:38 |
Nocte| |
Should I dig deeper or go to another direction? |
| 13:39 |
BlockMen |
bas080, is param2 = 1 ? |
| 13:39 |
bas080 |
paramtype2 = "wallmounted", |
| 13:40 |
bas080 |
some happens to all faces |
| 13:40 |
bas080 |
so doesn't matter what direction it faces |
| 13:40 |
BlockMen |
ok, i guess then it wont work. if param2 is ~= 0 then it wont decay |
| 13:40 |
BlockMen |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/functions.lua#L227 |
| 13:42 |
bas080 |
BlockMen, this might be helpfull thnx |
| 13:42 |
e1z0 |
so is it possible to make minetest build on linux/unix more static |
| 13:42 |
Nocte| |
BTW, is Gravel located near water? |
| 13:42 |
e1z0 |
bundled with all required libs |
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| 13:46 |
Hunterz |
is there any chat formating mod, like prefixes, colors etc? |
| 13:49 |
VanessaE |
no |
| 13:49 |
MinetestBot |
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| 13:50 |
VanessaE |
because no one who can commit it likes it I guess |
| 13:51 |
VanessaE |
everyone's hung up on truetype |
| 13:51 |
VanessaE |
freetype, whatevr |
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VanessaE |
I think it has more to do with the character support than scalability |
| 13:52 |
VanessaE |
e.g. multi-language support |
| 13:53 |
hoodedice |
What does? |
| 13:53 |
VanessaE |
afaik bitmap fonts only support a subset of ISO-8859 while freetype is most of UTF-8 or something similar. |
| 13:53 |
hoodedice |
lol. |
| 13:53 |
kahrl |
john_minetest, a fallback font for east asian languages was added recently |
| 13:53 |
hoodedice |
THAT bug again |
| 13:54 |
hoodedice |
(Lemme guess : Droid Sans? Arial?) |
| 13:55 |
kahrl |
droid sans |
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kahrl |
are any of the popular builds even without freetype? |
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hoodedice |
Hey, for a LAN game where the admin is a n00b, should he use mintest server.exe or minetest.exe |
| 13:56 |
hoodedice |
in the cmd? |
| 13:57 |
hoodedice |
http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Setting_up_a_server#Windows |
| 13:57 |
VanessaE |
kahrl: by now, surely not, but the default font is hard to read for bad eyes |
| 13:58 |
kahrl |
hoodedice: minetest.exe, because minetestserver.exe isn't built by default |
| 13:58 |
hoodedice |
Thanks. Plus, how do I host a server with a different 'game'? |
| 13:58 |
hoodedice |
(PilzTest) |
| 13:59 |
kahrl |
"--gameid pilztest" should do it |
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kahrl |
VanessaE: I don't have a problem with it so I can't judge that |
| 13:59 |
hoodedice |
Cool. Thanks a lot |
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* Nocte| |
pokes interest check for multiplayer. |
| 14:01 |
xiong |
Must flowers also be watched for them to spread? |
| 14:01 |
Nocte| |
Is there a way to have private multiplayer btw? |
| 14:02 |
VanessaE |
xiong: I think abms get 'stacked up' so you don't have to watch them |
| 14:02 |
VanessaE |
but that doesn't work for everything |
| 14:03 |
xiong |
Dunno, VanessaE. I planted flowers a day ago and none new when I returned. I planted in a strict grid so I'd be sure to notice; and plenty of opportunity for spreading. However, I got a few new strawberry bushes, which seem to spawn from nothing. |
| 14:04 |
VanessaE |
well flowers do spawn *very* slowly as I understand |
| 14:05 |
BlockMen |
john_minetest, does font_size not work?! -> https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L190 |
| 14:05 |
Nocte| |
:| |
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kahrl |
xiong: how dense is that grid? |
| 14:07 |
kahrl |
BlockMen, he was talking about non-truetype fonts |
| 14:07 |
kahrl |
which ignore font_size |
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xiong |
Square grid, kahrl; seed flowers each 4 meters; torches in a similar grid offset 2 meters in each direction. |
| 14:08 |
xiong |
Flat dirt, most of it dirt_with_grass. I notice it doesn't green up in daylight when I'm absent, either. |
| 14:08 |
kahrl |
try changing it to 5 meters or more |
| 14:09 |
kahrl |
4 meters sounds too dens |
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kahrl |
+e |
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xiong |
Really? That's 3 meters of empty dirt in every direction, except for the torch. That's a lotta room. |
| 14:09 |
bas080 |
i don't understand the choice for using param2 ~= 0 to disable leafdecay |
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xiong |
I mean, I've seen much denser natural flower beds. I understand the need for room to spread; but how do the natural beds get so dense? |
| 14:10 |
kahrl |
those are made by the mapgen, not the abm |
| 14:11 |
* xiong |
whines piteously at the thought of replacing a hundred items |
| 14:11 |
kahrl |
or program yourself a gardener NPC ;) |
| 14:11 |
xiong |
I guess the intention is to keep flowers from overrunning the map. |
| 14:12 |
CraigyDavi |
Would anyone know what the proble is with this: http://pastebin.com/17qf9DF3 |
| 14:12 |
xiong |
Well, kahrl; earlier I was discussing with VE the possibility of the 'igor' mod, which would create dummy players to watch the technic. |
| 14:12 |
CraigyDavi |
It says init.lua failed to run |
| 14:12 |
CraigyDavi |
crafting is on different init.lua |
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kahrl |
CraigyDavi: look in the terminal, it should tell you the line that failed |
| 14:14 |
CraigyDavi |
okay ill try that |
| 14:16 |
kahrl |
xiong: as in players that keep blocks loaded? |
| 14:22 |
xiong |
Yah. Except they're dummies. |
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xiong |
Maybe they could also do something. But that gets complicated. |
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xiong |
I guess anybody can fire up a second instance of the client and just stick a guy in his house to watch his technic. That might be misconstrued, though. |
| 14:24 |
xiong |
Besides, I've seen some really aggressive chunk unloading. Half your house vanishes behind your back. |
| 14:24 |
xiong |
'igor' should mill around, stopped by walls and closed doors, roaming more or less randomly, for some value of 'random'. |
| 14:25 |
xiong |
Actually, that's not even smart enough to be a hunchbacked drooling assistant. Better to call it 'rover' and make it a dog. |
| 14:26 |
kahrl |
entities can't keep blocks loaded, can they? |
| 14:26 |
xiong |
Ha, no, worse; loose entities bug out of sight. Sometimes they vanish, sometimes they duplicate. |
| 14:27 |
xiong |
'rover' would not be an entity but a... generated player. |
| 14:27 |
xiong |
Probably want strict limits on the number of watchdogs a single player can create... like 3. |
| 14:28 |
xiong |
Also, if one wanders too far from where it's spawned, it "goes wild" and is never seen again -- the dummy client quits. |
| 14:29 |
xiong |
So be sure to close your doors behind you. Or at least build a solid, 1-meter tall wall around your yard. |
| 14:29 |
xiong |
Finally, a really practical use for picket fences. |
| 14:31 |
bas080 |
Vines pushed, VanessaE, could you revise it to be sure it's what the people want https://github.com/bas080/vines |
| 14:31 |
VanessaE |
you mean review?\ |
| 14:31 |
bas080 |
yes |
| 14:31 |
VanessaE |
sure, shortly |
| 14:32 |
VanessaE |
ok, it's deployed to the servers. |
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xiong |
Sorry, I love dogs. I didn't mean to say "not smart enough, make it a dog". I ought to have said "not dexterous enough for a hunchbacked Igor, make it a dog". |
| 14:34 |
Krock |
minetest keeps using 99% of my CPU, is that needed? |
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Hunterz |
what with screen still try to look down, like something take my mouse and move down? |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
| 14:44 |
bas080 |
VanessaE The public mine near spawn looks epic |
| 14:44 |
bas080 |
Hey PilzAdam |
| 14:44 |
Krock |
hi pilz |
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sfan5 |
hi PilzAdam |
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Nocte| |
What's up? |
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xiong |
kahrl, I have now gone to a grid on 6 m centers, since it was easier to change to that. Still no flower spreading. Are the torches an issue? Must the entire region around the seed flower be clear? |
| 14:48 |
kahrl |
pretty sure only flora is important |
| 14:49 |
Hunterz |
ah, minetest have some problem witch touchpad on my laptop |
| 14:49 |
xiong |
Okay. So it's two grids, each on 6 m centers, each offset from the other by 3 m in each direction. |
| 14:50 |
Hunterz |
when are only touchpad, mouselook still try to look up |
| 14:50 |
Hunterz |
if connect usb mouse there is no problem |
| 14:50 |
xiong |
No flower is as close as 5 m to any other; and there are no trees, bushes, grasses, or other detritus. |
| 14:50 |
xiong |
I know they're slow to grow, I may just have to wait. |
| 14:51 |
VanessaE |
bas080: you like? :D |
| 14:54 |
bas080 |
VanessaE, allot, i noticed a feature. When you have a letter you can drop it in the mailbox by right clicking it with letter in hand |
| 14:54 |
bas080 |
Who made that feature? |
| 14:54 |
VanessaE |
I don't remember :P |
| 14:57 |
bas080 |
I tested the vines and they seem to be working as intended. There is still a little feature that has to be worked on. The wear of the shear tool only works on vines and not on leaves etc. |
| 15:04 |
xiong |
Okay, great, kahrl; I got a little growth. Not much but whatever I'm doing doesn't rule it out. |
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* xiong |
takes refuge in the thought that only patient people grow flowers |
| 15:11 |
Jordach |
afternoon |
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Jordach |
sfan5, want a texutured and fluffy kitty> |
| 15:12 |
sfan5 |
yes |
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Hunterz |
will be possible add invert mouse checkbox to gui? |
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jojoa1997 |
hi |
| 15:35 |
dafull97 |
hey |
| 15:39 |
Nocte| |
Whoa. Another cave in the mine! |
| 15:39 |
Jordach |
Nocte|, my problem too |
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Jordach |
i usually find caves within my quarries |
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kotolegokot |
Hi. |
| 15:40 |
Nocte| |
Hmm.. |
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Nocte| |
This one is quite large. |
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Nocte| |
Copper! |
| 15:44 |
Nocte| |
Damn it, why no iron? >:[ jordach, hehe. That must be annoying. |
| 15:49 |
Nocte| |
Hmph. And died to a mob. |
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* Nocte| |
could play some Multiplayer if anyone is interested. |
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Jordach |
sfan5, somewhat textured the kitty |
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mahomet |
that's right. |
| 16:11 |
VanessaE |
what's right? |
| 16:12 |
mahomet |
myself, of course |
| 16:12 |
VanessaE |
fair enough :P |
| 16:13 |
mahomet |
anyway, someone ought to update the FreeBSD Ports minetest port |
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| 16:20 |
Nocte| |
BTW, why are some mobs in black? |
| 16:20 |
zat |
thats racist. |
| 16:20 |
Nocte| |
Its like they are missing the texture or something. |
| 16:21 |
zat |
problem with blacks? |
| 16:21 |
zat |
http://i.imgur.com/WHDN6.png |
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VanessaE |
it's a lighting bug, Nocte| |
| 16:21 |
VanessaE |
been that way for a long while |
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Peacock |
i always thought that was lag |
| 16:22 |
VanessaE |
nope |
| 16:22 |
VanessaE |
some kind of indexing issue I think |
| 16:23 |
Peacock |
players tend to blacken when they log onto my server until its done loading |
| 16:23 |
Nocte| |
Ah. I see. |
| 16:23 |
Nocte| |
Are any of the public servers active? |
| 16:24 |
Peacock |
no |
| 16:24 |
VanessaE |
sure, there are many |
| 16:24 |
VanessaE |
http://minetest.net/servers |
| 16:24 |
VanessaE |
all of those are active (the list is updated every few minutes) |
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Dan_D |
Hi |
| 16:25 |
VanessaE |
hi dan |
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Nocte| |
I deleted my world because there was some damned mob in the cave inside my mine that killed me. |
| 16:25 |
Peacock |
the flags column is pretty useless, description could be bigger |
| 16:25 |
Dan_D |
Why not just remove the mod Nocte|? |
| 16:25 |
Nocte| |
Nah. |
| 16:25 |
Nocte| |
That would get boring. |
| 16:26 |
Dan_D |
No, uninstall, then re-install once the mob entity had gone |
| 16:26 |
Dan_D |
Or run /clearobjects |
| 16:26 |
dafull97 |
Hey all |
| 16:27 |
Dan_D |
VanessaE, did I just time out on your server? |
| 16:27 |
Dan_D |
I stopped being able to move, then client crashed |
| 16:27 |
VanessaE |
idk |
| 16:27 |
Peacock |
dand, its a feature :P |
| 16:27 |
VanessaE |
looks like it |
| 16:27 |
Dan_D |
It has happened before on Creative |
| 16:27 |
Peacock |
smoke_break_prediction() XD |
| 16:28 |
Dan_D |
Ha. |
| 16:28 |
Dan_D |
Ha. |
| 16:28 |
Dan_D |
No. |
| 16:28 |
Peacock |
*HoHoHo |
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* dafull97 |
is ready to go home |
| 16:29 |
Dan_D |
Also VanessaE, the server is extremely laggy right now. |
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* Nocte| |
wants to play multi. :[ |
| 16:29 |
VanessaE |
oh? |
| 16:29 |
VanessaE |
cpu usage seems okay |
| 16:29 |
VanessaE |
must be network lag |
| 16:29 |
dangrothe |
How long does it take for dropped items to disappear? |
| 16:29 |
VanessaE |
or this congressional sesion we're listening to |
| 16:29 |
Peacock |
forever, mouhahaha |
| 16:30 |
VanessaE |
dangrothe: 10 minutes I think? |
| 16:30 |
Dan_D |
The lag has stopped |
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Peacock |
oh they actually go away now? nice |
| 16:30 |
dafull97 |
Dan_D, thats weird |
| 16:31 |
Dan_D |
VanessaE, can you check in the player radar code that as well as displaying the range as y*3, it actually uses the range of y*3 |
| 16:31 |
gnu\mahomet |
radar eh |
| 16:31 |
Dan_D |
In Camo Modpack |
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* VanessaE |
looks |
| 16:32 |
Dan_D |
It is just it appears to count radar range as 51 for example, but I go off the screen when about 3 nodes away |
| 16:32 |
VanessaE |
yeah, I think that's right |
| 16:32 |
Dan_D |
Weird |
| 16:32 |
VanessaE |
oh |
| 16:33 |
Dan_D |
Can you pastebin the fixed code? |
| 16:33 |
VanessaE |
well for starters, don't use math.pow to square a number. Just multiply the number by itself. it's faster that way |
| 16:33 |
VanessaE |
otherwise your math looks right |
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Dan_D |
I used the original mod, just made it y*3 instead of y/2 |
| 16:34 |
VanessaE |
the table of coordinates, I don't get why you have all those hard-coded values in there |
| 16:34 |
Peacock |
glad rba is back, check this out: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=112788#p112788 |
| 16:34 |
Dan_D |
I don't know,ask the original creator |
| 16:35 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: inb4 "that's no moon"... |
| 16:35 |
Peacock |
just being able to replace the moon with other planets, would add to the variety of games |
| 16:35 |
Peacock |
*different games |
| 16:36 |
Calinou |
that's not a moon! </old Minecraft splash> |
| 16:36 |
* Peacock |
watches calinou gallop away |
| 16:36 |
Peacock |
:P |
| 16:36 |
Dan_D |
Currently VanessaE, with my current radar setup on server, says radar_range = 36, but actual range is about 6 |
| 16:36 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: "not a moon"? tell Mojang to hand in their geek cards. They are hereby revoked. |
| 16:37 |
Peacock |
he hasn't been involved with MC in quite a while |
| 16:37 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: maybe "range" as stated = diameter? |
| 16:37 |
kaeza |
Peacock, AFAIK the thing is implemented using a regular mesh, so basically you could replace it with anything you want |
| 16:37 |
VanessaE |
well no |
| 16:37 |
VanessaE |
that's wrong too |
| 16:37 |
Calinou |
VanessaE: they fixed it on Minecraft 1.08 |
| 16:37 |
* VanessaE |
shrugs |
| 16:37 |
Calinou |
1.8* |
| 16:37 |
Calinou |
it used to be "that's not a moon", that's why I said "old" |
| 16:37 |
Dan_D |
IDK VanessaE |
| 16:37 |
* kaeza |
expects someone to use a sheep from MOBF as skybox :P |
| 16:38 |
Peacock |
kaeza multiple sattelites would be cool too, like 2 moons, 2 stars, or a combo of moon + star+ planet, etc. |
| 16:38 |
Jordach |
can't we just have a texturable sun moon |
| 16:38 |
Jordach |
i'd be happy |
| 16:38 |
Dan_D |
Should I just remove radar? |
| 16:38 |
Peacock |
jordach don't really know what's holding it up |
| 16:38 |
Dan_D |
Or maybe adjust some values again |
| 16:38 |
Peacock |
most seem in favour |
| 16:39 |
Dan_D |
VanessaE, can you try and see what the problem is? Anything to do with x,y,or z coordinates |
| 16:39 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: I can't read this code |
| 16:39 |
Dan_D |
Ok |
| 16:39 |
VanessaE |
it's too ...messy |
| 16:39 |
Dan_D |
I will just remove it from camo modpack then? |
| 16:39 |
VanessaE |
no |
| 16:39 |
VanessaE |
leave it there and just figure out how to fix it |
| 16:40 |
Dan_D |
Maybe make it uncraftable and not in creative inventory for now |
| 16:40 |
Dan_D |
Or, just leave it |
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Peacock |
final outline of Riven isles http://s18.postimg.org/6p3c6cy89/screenshot_1959791621.png |
| 16:41 |
VanessaE |
just leave it for now |
| 16:41 |
Peacock |
gotta start raising the terrain today :/ |
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Dan_D |
VanessaE, what was messy about it? |
| 16:42 |
Peacock |
next up the wife wants me to print the map of westeros lol |
| 16:42 |
Peacock |
(she likes the castles) |
| 16:42 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: hard to describe. |
| 16:43 |
Dan_D |
Or maybe just have a fixed range |
| 16:43 |
VanessaE |
it just looks "crowded" |
| 16:43 |
Dan_D |
Really?One abm, 2 node registers, and a craft |
| 16:44 |
Nocte| |
I'm going to create a house build into the mountain I found. |
| 16:44 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: you just made the argument for me why you should be able to fix it ;) |
| 16:44 |
Dan_D |
Yep |
| 16:44 |
Dan_D |
I replace all self.y/2 with self.y*3 but then I get the problem |
| 16:45 |
Peacock |
hmm, bamboo trees could be cool |
| 16:45 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: make a pull request against moretrees :) |
| 16:45 |
VanessaE |
(and don't rewrite my damn code this time) |
| 16:45 |
Peacock |
not sure how it could use lsystems |
| 16:46 |
Jordach |
Calinou, what's world wide web in french >:D |
| 16:46 |
Jordach |
(i've heard it's hard to say) |
| 16:46 |
Peacock |
and the bamboo itself would be nodebox, so would it really fit in with the other trees? |
| 16:46 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: sure, whynot? |
| 16:47 |
VanessaE |
of course, making it look right may be impossible with L-systems |
| 16:47 |
Peacock |
http://wpcore.3dcadtips.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/bamboo-garden-de.jpg |
| 16:47 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, L-Systems sucks ass |
| 16:47 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: why? |
| 16:47 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: nice |
| 16:47 |
Jordach |
because they're way tooooo biiiiigggg |
| 16:48 |
Peacock |
what i can tell with my poor vision, you'd have multiple stalks (sp?) in the center node, and 1 node of leaves surrounding it on all sides |
| 16:48 |
VanessaE |
they're SUPPOSED to be |
| 16:48 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: easily done with L-systems. |
| 16:48 |
Peacock |
yeah but do you really need lsystem for such a simple design? |
| 16:48 |
VanessaE |
nope |
| 16:48 |
VanessaE |
but it'll probably be faster than any other method |
| 16:49 |
Peacock |
i like lsystem for making big trees, but the simple ones can be hardcoded |
| 16:49 |
VanessaE |
vmanip might be the best for the small ones |
| 16:49 |
Calinou |
Jordach: don't know? |
| 16:50 |
Jordach |
Calinou, i was wondering |
| 16:50 |
Peacock |
even voxmynipples might be overkill |
| 16:50 |
Jordach |
>voxmynipples |
| 16:50 |
Jordach |
lololololol |
| 16:50 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: vmanip is the fastest way. never use add_node() to place more than 1 or 2 nodes at a time |
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Calinou |
lol |
| 16:51 |
Peacock |
meh, its fast enough, i dont have a shitton of abm's going off all around me |
| 16:51 |
VanessaE |
no |
| 16:51 |
VanessaE |
it's NEVER fast enough. |
| 16:52 |
dafull97 |
yesss |
| 16:52 |
dafull97 |
yessss |
| 16:52 |
VanessaE |
that kind of thinking is why computers are so slow today |
| 16:52 |
Peacock |
well im not running > 100 mods :P |
| 16:52 |
Calinou |
<VanessaE> it's NEVER fast enough. <= that's what she said |
| 16:52 |
dafull97 |
LOL, what talking about? |
| 16:52 |
dafull97 |
hahahahaha |
| 16:52 |
VanessaE |
dafull97: assembling structures and/or trees in-game via a mod |
| 16:53 |
Dan_D |
Is there any way of checking the time, and at dusk replace with one node, replaced by another at dawn? |
| 16:53 |
dafull97 |
ohh, ok... Calinou... thats old now though - still funny |
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| 16:54 |
Peacock |
well add nodes worked for worldedit until they started serializing their schematics :P |
| 16:54 |
thefamilygrog66 |
works for me |
| 16:54 |
VanessaE |
it worked because that was all it could do |
| 16:54 |
VanessaE |
now there are faster ways which are being used |
| 16:54 |
Exio4 |
unless you csn run X algorithm in one cpu cycle, it isn't fast enough |
| 16:54 |
Dan_D |
Like, if time > 5500 and time <18000 it becomes one node, and the opposite for night |
| 16:54 |
Nocte| |
Man... |
| 16:55 |
Nocte| |
Its so hard to memorize where stuff is inside some tunnel. :| |
| 16:55 |
thefamilygrog66 |
watched the bb finale last night, Peacock - was a good one! |
| 16:55 |
dafull97 |
Nocte|, so true haha |
| 16:55 |
Peacock |
in any case i dont see a point in creating a GH account to make a pull when i use a bastardized version of it lol |
| 16:55 |
Peacock |
grog but now it's over :( |
| 16:55 |
Nocte| |
And since my sense of direction is basically 0... :( |
| 16:56 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Yeah, gonna have to find something else to watch - might start over from first season... |
| 16:56 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: minetest.get_timeofday() |
| 16:56 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1231 |
| 16:57 |
VanessaE |
so you probably wanna check for a value less than say 0.25 or greater than 0.75 |
| 16:57 |
Dan_D |
Ah, thanks! |
| 16:57 |
VanessaE |
those would suggest dawn and dusk, respectively. |
| 16:57 |
Peacock |
still, there's boardwalk empire, revolution and SVU (olivia got fat during her "kidnapping" lol) |
| 16:57 |
Nocte| |
I'm trying to build a 'House inside a Mountain' style base. |
| 16:57 |
thefamilygrog66 |
gonna check out boardwalk, I think |
| 16:58 |
Peacock |
one of the few HBO shows still going on right now |
| 16:58 |
Peacock |
wife wants GoT but that wont be back till next year |
| 16:58 |
Nocte| |
Hah, GoT... Get a life. ;) |
| 16:58 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I still have to catch up with GoT. |
| 16:59 |
Peacock |
Noctel i dont have to choose, thats what multiple monitors are for :P |
| 16:59 |
Peacock |
god knows when this place turns into a funeral parlour a little distraction is nice |
| 16:59 |
Nocte| |
Nothing happened in 2 episodes of GoT. |
| 16:59 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I'm sure boobs happened |
| 16:59 |
Nocte| |
Quit after trying to watch. |
| 17:00 |
Peacock |
the second to last and the last? guess someone wasn't paying attention |
| 17:00 |
Nocte| |
Internet has porn if you want boobs. |
| 17:00 |
Peacock |
dont need porn, i can get layed :P which is more than many people here lol |
| 17:00 |
Nocte| |
Hmm. :| |
| 17:01 |
Peacock |
besides, i have the perfect Ferengi wife, she hates wearing clothes at home XD |
| 17:01 |
* andersje |
shrugs |
| 17:01 |
thefamilygrog66 |
So I added Herobrine giants on my server, but then I made them tiny (i.e. 1/2 size of player) and spawning in caves, and for some reason they're way freakier that way. Also FAST! |
| 17:01 |
Calinou |
but do they have boobs? |
| 17:01 |
Nocte| |
I wish somebody coded the bed to work as time skipper. |
| 17:02 |
Peacock |
simple, on_rightclick = settime(6am) |
| 17:02 |
thefamilygrog66 |
The bed does skip to the morning if everyone on the server is in bed at the same time. |
| 17:02 |
Calinou |
it's 6000 |
| 17:02 |
Peacock |
like MC |
| 17:02 |
Nocte| |
Ah. |
| 17:03 |
Calinou |
Minecraft is 0 |
| 17:04 |
thefamilygrog66 |
So yeah, tiny mobs = scary/fast. |
| 17:05 |
Nocte| |
Also: Anyone else hate it when they are middle of something that requires lots of sticks and then they run out? Or torches? |
| 17:05 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Also, Simonster wanted me to have giants spawning on the beanstalk clouds, so I made giant Jake the Dogs (from Adventure Time) spawn from them, laughing hysterically. |
| 17:05 |
thefamilygrog66 |
type: /giveme stick 99 |
| 17:06 |
Calinou |
Nocte|: I'd like if crafting torches gave you 5 torches instead of 4 |
| 17:06 |
* Nocte| |
is not a cheater. |
| 17:06 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Nocte| ^^^ |
| 17:06 |
Calinou |
would be a bit better for lighting caves or large laces |
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| 17:07 |
Jordach |
afternoon Inocudom |
| 17:07 |
Inocudom |
Hello. I am facing a week-long nightmare right now. Tis the time of year for those. |
| 17:08 |
Peacock |
Oo, the US fed. gov is in shutdown mode, didn't think they'd do it |
| 17:08 |
VanessaE |
yep |
| 17:08 |
VanessaE |
and obama is on right now bitching at congress about it |
| 17:08 |
VanessaE |
(live feed) |
| 17:08 |
VanessaE |
http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/ |
| 17:08 |
Inocudom |
The latest autobuilds of Xonotic will not start up at all, and I have a feeling that the developers of the game won't be able to fix that issue anytime soon. |
| 17:08 |
FreeFull |
Inocudom: You could try playing Warsow instead for a bit |
| 17:08 |
Dan_D |
With the minetest.get_imeofday how do I make it so it detects if it is above one value and below another? |
| 17:09 |
Peacock |
well it's not his fault the gop lost the election and the healthcare law passed, now theyre trying to defund it (democracy sucks for the GOP when they lose apparently) |
| 17:09 |
FreeFull |
I don't think healthcare will get defunded |
| 17:09 |
Inocudom |
Tell me more about this healthcare law. I sense evil vibes coming from it. |
| 17:09 |
Peacock |
the GOP's funny like that, patriotic to the core when it's a republican president, almost treasonous when it's a democratic president |
| 17:10 |
FreeFull |
The GOP's extremists did almost everything they could do already and the democrats aren't budging |
| 17:10 |
Peacock |
theyve called him a socialist, questioned where he was born, etc., its quite funny |
| 17:10 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: t=minetest.get_timeofday() .... if t < 0.25 or t > 0.75 then ...... end |
| 17:11 |
andersje |
I find this whole government debacle to be very embarrassing. |
| 17:11 |
Inocudom |
The wise must learn that there are no accidents in the grand scheme of things. |
| 17:11 |
andersje |
I'm trying to raise my children to compromise and work with people. |
| 17:11 |
Peacock |
hell i think they've even gone abroad to disparage him |
| 17:11 |
VanessaE |
(that'll check for times from dusk to dawn) |
| 17:11 |
andersje |
and then the congresscritters and senators insist on acting like petulent children |
| 17:11 |
andersje |
so I'm reduced to explaining that some people never grow up. |
| 17:11 |
Peacock |
well the shutdown looks bad for the GOP, not the dems |
| 17:11 |
VanessaE |
e.g. nighttime.... or, t=minetest.get_timeofday() .... if t> 0.25 and t < 0.75 then ...... end <---- to check for times from dawn to dusk, e.g. daytime |
| 17:11 |
Peacock |
last time in 95, it boosted the dem's numbers (or so i read) |
| 17:11 |
andersje |
I agree, it's assisine. |
| 17:11 |
FreeFull |
It seems a lot of the republicans were against the shutdown in the first place too |
| 17:12 |
andersje |
and the Dems don't take a hit on it |
| 17:12 |
Inocudom |
When it is time for a species to fall, it is time for a species to fall. It is preordained. |
| 17:12 |
Peacock |
eventually the GOP will tire of tea party antics |
| 17:12 |
andersje |
right, but the Repubs can't buck their party, or the Koch brothers will hire a new, crazier replacement |
| 17:12 |
VanessaE |
no they won't |
| 17:12 |
VanessaE |
they're crazy enough to get even more insane |
| 17:12 |
VanessaE |
if that makes sense |
| 17:12 |
VanessaE |
GOP insanity is self-sustaining |
| 17:12 |
andersje |
The absurdly crazy part of the party is VERY well funded |
| 17:12 |
Peacock |
time to switch to parliamentary system? |
| 17:13 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: we need a coalition government (e.g. what Israel does) |
| 17:13 |
andersje |
If only Anna Nicole Smith hadn't lost that appeal on her husband's will... |
| 17:13 |
Peacock |
seems like the US system doesn't give much room for new parties to form and old ones to split/die |
| 17:13 |
andersje |
because she lost the appeal, the Koch brothers have ALL the money now. |
| 17:13 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: it gives nearly no room, because of corporate campaign contributions |
| 17:13 |
andersje |
Peacock: the existing parties are heavily entrenched, and so well funded that it's virtually impossible to challenge them |
| 17:14 |
* Jordach |
thinks another JFK is needed on the repubs |
| 17:14 |
andersje |
The people who COULD challenge the existing parties have enough money that they find it's easier to buy one of the existing parties |
| 17:14 |
Dan_D |
What is wrong with this? http://pastebin.com/YChD7Gwi |
| 17:14 |
andersje |
see: The Koch Brothers |
| 17:14 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: +635. |
| 17:14 |
Peacock |
JFK = bay of pigs, cuban missile crisis, not sure is the best example lol |
| 17:14 |
andersje |
plus he screwed anything that moved. |
| 17:14 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, same for that douchebag in our contry: expecting people to work for their dole |
| 17:14 |
Dan_D |
I have also done local t = minetest.get_timeofday() |
| 17:14 |
Inocudom |
I can certainly tell you that there is no light at the end of the tunnel anymore. The good times are over... forever... with how things are going. |
| 17:14 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: you have to do the time-of-day check inside the action |
| 17:14 |
andersje |
LBJ, with the exception of Viet Nam, did more lasting good for the country |
| 17:14 |
* Nocte| |
is bored for playing in single player. :| |
| 17:15 |
Dan_D |
I do VanessaE with t |
| 17:15 |
andersje |
Inocudom: nah. Technology will make these idiot leaders obsolete. |
| 17:15 |
VanessaE |
where? |
| 17:15 |
VanessaE |
I see no time-of-day check in that code. |
| 17:15 |
Dan_D |
Err. t? |
| 17:15 |
Peacock |
<Jordach> VanessaE, same for that douchebag in our contry: expecting people to work for their dole |
| 17:15 |
Peacock |
what's wrong with that? |
| 17:15 |
VanessaE |
t is not time of day |
| 17:15 |
Dan_D |
Which is local t |
| 17:15 |
Dan_D |
For timeofday |
| 17:16 |
andersje |
Just as the crossbow and musket made Armor obsolete, better computing will make Senators obsolete |
| 17:16 |
VanessaE |
t = minetest.get_timeofday(); if t> 0.25..........etc etc |
| 17:16 |
Dan_D |
Yes. |
| 17:16 |
Dan_D |
I did that |
| 17:16 |
VanessaE |
you have to assign it immediately before the test |
| 17:16 |
VanessaE |
and only then |
| 17:16 |
Dan_D |
But it works if I just use minetest.get_timeofday |
| 17:16 |
VanessaE |
um |
| 17:16 |
Peacock |
heck my town looks like shit on the outskirts, and we have tons of people on welfare, i often wonder why they dont put them to work as streetsweepers |
| 17:16 |
VanessaE |
check your paste, you did not assign t = time of day. |
| 17:16 |
Inocudom |
A computer can only do so much. A computer does not possess spirit, nor should it. |
| 17:18 |
Peacock |
went to buy milk this morning, and since its the first of the month, long lineup with people buying 3x 24's of beer lol |
| 17:18 |
Jordach |
Peacock, they're also expecting mentally disabled people to work as well |
| 17:18 |
Dan_D |
I just said I did in the post after the paste VanessaE :P |
| 17:18 |
Peacock |
what they can't do dishes or man a cash register? |
| 17:18 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: show me the completed code |
| 17:18 |
Peacock |
ive done many disgusting jobs out of necessity |
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| 17:19 |
Jordach |
Peacock, he's failed at creating jobd |
| 17:19 |
andersje |
Peacock: I work in corporate america, where my job would be easier if we got rid of the people who didn't do anything useful. |
| 17:19 |
Jordach |
jobs* |
| 17:19 |
Dan_D |
VanessaE, it works now |
| 17:19 |
andersje |
in all honesty, I'd rather they get70% of their current pay to STAY OUT OFTHE WAY |
| 17:19 |
andersje |
and let other people get stuff done |
| 17:19 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: ok |
| 17:19 |
andersje |
the real problem is that the vast majority of those people believe they are utterly essential. |
| 17:20 |
Peacock |
jordach, if you can moderate the forums, you should be able to handle a simple cash register :P |
| 17:20 |
Jordach |
Peacock, fuck that |
| 17:20 |
Inocudom |
PureZC has not one but two topics concerning robot rights: |
| 17:20 |
Peacock |
andersje the big problem in america right now is corporations sitting on money and consumers not having any to spend |
| 17:20 |
Jordach |
i hate dealing with assholes who bring their snotty kids |
| 17:20 |
Inocudom |
http://www.purezc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=55888&view=findpost&p=798445&hl=%2Brobot+%2Brights |
| 17:20 |
Inocudom |
http://www.purezc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=59920&view=findpost&p=850715&hl=%2Brobot+%2Brights |
| 17:20 |
andersje |
Peacock: yep. At some point, we need to decouple work from survival |
| 17:20 |
Peacock |
jordach so others should do those shitty jobs while you collect a check on their backs? |
| 17:21 |
Jordach |
Peacock, you do realise i actually have mental issues |
| 17:21 |
Peacock |
so why are you moderator? |
| 17:21 |
andersje |
maybe his mental issues don't impede anything but face-to-face interaction? |
| 17:21 |
Peacock |
there are many easy jobs outside of customer service |
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| 17:22 |
andersje |
in the next hundred years, we're going to see almost all of those easy jobs evaporate |
| 17:22 |
Jordach |
Peacock, i fevorously HATE social interactions, i prefer my silence |
| 17:22 |
andersje |
_new_ easy jobs will be created. |
| 17:22 |
andersje |
but not in the same numbers as were destroyed. |
| 17:22 |
Inocudom |
I have mental issues too, but maybe they are not too bad of a thing. They maintained by individuality. |
| 17:23 |
Peacock |
well, whenever im on IRC, you happen to be here :P and you have energy to spend moderating the boards, just not to earn some basic living like alot of us rubes :P |
| 17:23 |
Jordach |
Peacock, i also lose focus very easily, if i see anything, i'll find what that is |
| 17:24 |
Jordach |
(eg, any links on wikipedia) |
| 17:24 |
Jordach |
i will just keep going |
| 17:24 |
Inocudom |
When you look at this reality that we live in (and I mean really look at it,) you begin to see an all-pervading hollowness to it. |
| 17:24 |
Peacock |
it seems alot of people all have very good reasons for not working, and its depressing when i think i had to work 3 seperate jobs at once to avoid being taxed to death on doing 70hours at one job |
| 17:24 |
andersje |
look, I've got a relative who will remain unnamed. Specified Person (SP from here on) has never held a job for more than 5 weeks, due to paranoia and other issues. It's going to be cheaper, in the long run, and easier on everyone, if we just make sure that SP never starves, and never wastes anyone's time with an interview or starting at a job that won't last 3 weeks |
| 17:25 |
andersje |
Peacock: sounds like you should've paid your withholding ahead of time. |
| 17:25 |
Peacock |
americans complain about taxes but theyre nothing like what we pay here :P |
| 17:25 |
Peacock |
and people here get on welfare and rarely get off |
| 17:26 |
Nocte| |
Hmm... |
| 17:26 |
andersje |
I'm still not aware of any country in which workers pay more than 100% tax. |
| 17:26 |
Peacock |
so why should i pay a third of my cheque to support people who all have good reasons not to toil as i do lol |
| 17:26 |
Nocte| |
I still don't remember how to build a bed. :| |
| 17:26 |
Inocudom |
Where do you live, Peacock. |
| 17:26 |
andersje |
Peacock: sounds like you should go on the dole, if it's so grand. |
| 17:26 |
Peacock |
Quebec, the most taxed jurisdiction in north America |
| 17:26 |
Peacock |
hell no, i'd rather work than make excuses |
| 17:27 |
andersje |
okay, so working is better than being on the dole. |
| 17:27 |
Inocudom |
At least your on the North American continent. Europe and Asia are getting hit with all manner of hell and bedlam. |
| 17:27 |
Inocudom |
Though, North America is getting a beating too. |
| 17:27 |
Peacock |
Europe lent alot of money to countries that cooked their books |
| 17:28 |
Peacock |
Japan's economy has been lacklustre since the 90s |
| 17:28 |
andersje |
Too much faith in big companies, big leaders |
| 17:28 |
andersje |
the world operates at a local scale, and most countries appear to have forgotten that |
| 17:28 |
Inocudom |
Just wait until the New Madrid fault line finally snaps again. Easily the mightiest earthquake on this planet. |
| 17:28 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I'm glad we have somewhat of a social program in Canada - it's saved my ass a few times. |
| 17:29 |
Peacock |
grog ive collected unemployment before when my employers went bust, but EI ~= welfare |
| 17:29 |
* thefamilygrog66 |
would rather not be homeless |
| 17:29 |
andersje |
I wish we had better social programs in the USA. Many of our homeless and welfare recipients are actually mentally ill, who need treatment. |
| 17:29 |
Calinou |
<Jordach> Peacock, i also lose focus very easily, if i see anything, i'll find what that is |
| 17:29 |
Calinou |
same thing happens to me :P |
| 17:29 |
andersje |
Peacock: I've never taken unemployment, despite being eligible several times. |
| 17:29 |
andersje |
I left it for people who needed it more. |
| 17:29 |
Peacock |
well in Canada you pay into EI directly from your paycheques, so when you lose your job through no fault of your own, you're entitled |
| 17:30 |
Peacock |
not quite the same as never looking for one in the first place |
| 17:30 |
andersje |
Peacock: that's exactly how the USA works |
| 17:30 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I've been on both EI and Social Assistance when I was a lot younger, and am grateful that they existed. |
| 17:30 |
andersje |
I had friends in high school, they were on social assistance. It was a damned good thing it was there |
| 17:30 |
andersje |
those kids couldn't have afforded food otherwise |
| 17:30 |
VanessaE |
I'm thankful that my Social Security will keep on coming |
| 17:30 |
thefamilygrog66 |
You're generalizing a bit there Peacock wrt welfare. |
| 17:30 |
VanessaE |
but I tell you this shit's got me scared. |
| 17:30 |
andersje |
VanessaE: they can't cut SocSec |
| 17:31 |
andersje |
it would turn the elderly vote entirely Democratic |
| 17:31 |
Peacock |
i dunno what the culture is in Ontario, but Quebec welfare recipients are something else |
| 17:31 |
VanessaE |
andersje: in practicality they can't (plus I guess they don't have the balls)....but they could do it in theory.. |
| 17:31 |
Inocudom |
You should be scared. Very, very scared. What is happening to this planet and to mankind is a true nightmare. |
| 17:31 |
andersje |
We've got some gems in the USA, too. but it's not like they're driving new cadillacs around. |
| 17:31 |
andersje |
What's happening to mankind is no different than it's ever been. |
| 17:31 |
Inocudom |
Not by accident either. Not by accident. |
| 17:31 |
andersje |
in fact, it's better now. |
| 17:31 |
Peacock |
and the welfare programs are administered by the provinces, so the amounts and eligibility are different |
| 17:31 |
thefamilygrog66 |
sure there are generations that have been on it, Peacock, but that's a minority (i.e. scapegoat used by conservatives to justify cutting) |
| 17:32 |
andersje |
When was the last time the local militia stopped by to forage for provisions in your house? |
| 17:32 |
andersje |
then raped your daughter while they were passing through? |
| 17:32 |
andersje |
or, for that matter, raped your son? |
| 17:32 |
thefamilygrog66 |
sounds like a pleasant place... o_O |
| 17:32 |
andersje |
yeah, the past sucked |
| 17:32 |
andersje |
I'm glad I'm not in it. |
| 17:33 |
Inocudom |
Where was this at? |
| 17:33 |
andersje |
"Europe" |
| 17:33 |
andersje |
from about, oh 600 AD to 1200 AD or so |
| 17:33 |
andersje |
depending on how close to the Crusader's paths you were. |
| 17:33 |
andersje |
Hell, even in the 19th century, soldiers "foraged" for food. |
| 17:33 |
andersje |
that means knocking down doors and emptying out larders |
| 17:33 |
Peacock |
i can believe that in Ontario there's genuine unemployment, but generally employers in Quebec will tell you they're short-staffed, which doesnt jibe with the huge dole-rolls (who tend to vote PQ, so 2+2) |
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| 17:34 |
Inocudom |
I fear times like that might come in the future. Dreams are temporary, but nightmares are eternal. |
| 17:34 |
andersje |
nope, times like that won't happen again |
| 17:34 |
andersje |
small arms have ensured that. |
| 17:34 |
Peacock |
seems alot of people here are too young to remember/know about the 70's |
| 17:34 |
andersje |
I grew up in the 70s. |
| 17:35 |
Calinou |
<Inocudom> You should be scared. Very, very scared. What is happening to this planet and to mankind is a true nightmare. |
| 17:35 |
* thefamilygrog66 |
was born in 1970\ |
| 17:35 |
andersje |
I remember the Cold War too well, and the dystopian fiction |
| 17:35 |
Calinou |
be positive, and don't be paranoid |
| 17:35 |
Peacock |
peak oil, interest rates hovering around 20%, inflation |
| 17:35 |
* andersje |
nods |
| 17:35 |
Inocudom |
The 70s were a very messed up time. That I do know. |
| 17:35 |
andersje |
doesn't matter |
| 17:35 |
Calinou |
Peacock: "PQ"... still makes me laugh :d |
| 17:35 |
andersje |
Just like Thomas Malthus thought the big die-off wascoming, and was wrong. |
| 17:35 |
andersje |
we always solve the problems. |
| 17:35 |
andersje |
the USA no longer has the race riots of the 60s and 70s. |
| 17:35 |
Peacock |
LA 92 |
| 17:35 |
VanessaE |
meanwhile, the rich fat cats just keep getting richer. |
| 17:35 |
thefamilygrog66 |
cough...rodney king |
| 17:36 |
andersje |
we no longer starve by the billions in this world (thanks, Norman Borlaug!) |
| 17:36 |
andersje |
thefamilygrog66: yeah, well California is fucked up. |
| 17:36 |
VanessaE |
andersje: no, now we have the WBC. |
| 17:36 |
Peacock |
global warming and starvation: nuclear power and GMO crops |
| 17:36 |
andersje |
the WBC is just a bunch of lawyers who've figured out how to get rich |
| 17:36 |
Peacock |
but the hippies dont like that |
| 17:36 |
andersje |
GMO crops have prevented a billion deaths, easily. |
| 17:36 |
andersje |
deaths by starvation. |
| 17:36 |
thefamilygrog66 |
disparity is the elephant in the room |
| 17:36 |
VanessaE |
yup |
| 17:36 |
andersje |
nuclear power will fade in use as wind/solar and efficiency improves |
| 17:37 |
andersje |
yeah, disparity is a massive problem |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
not in a long time |
| 17:37 |
Peacock |
tell that to Ontario that spent a fortune on windmills :P |
| 17:37 |
VanessaE |
andersje: I read of a 44.7% efficient solar cell earlier today, so we're close |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
wind/solar is very inefficient and expensive |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
and not as good as you may think |
| 17:37 |
andersje |
and while, in the USA, it's as bad as it was in 1928...is it as bad as the time of Serfdom ? |
| 17:37 |
VanessaE |
I guess the theoretical limit is 60%? |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
you need rare earths for renewable energy |
| 17:37 |
Peacock |
their books used to be better than Quebec's lol |
| 17:37 |
andersje |
VanessaE: yeah, and the wind always blows. |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
rare earths currently can't be retrieved, and are used in any PC part |
| 17:37 |
andersje |
the key word there is "currently" |
| 17:37 |
VanessaE |
andersje: nono I mean we're close to viability with solar PV now |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
not sure if it'll ever be possible |
| 17:37 |
Calinou |
we can always hope :P |
| 17:38 |
andersje |
VanessaE: sorry, wasn't trying to argue. I agree |
| 17:38 |
VanessaE |
solar thermal is long since solved, we're just too stubborn to use it) |
| 17:38 |
Jordach |
i can make money really easy, by following this simple step: make quality blender animations and use google's adpartnerships |
| 17:38 |
Calinou |
in france, there is less than 20% of renewable energy iirc |
| 17:38 |
andersje |
Calinou: if there's money in it, someone will figure it out. |
| 17:38 |
Peacock |
one small hick with solar power: a good volcano eruption (or nuclear war) would make them alot less useful :P |
| 17:38 |
Calinou |
Jordach: don't think so |
| 17:38 |
RealBadAngel |
if the solar cells are efficent enough to provide hot water for a house |
| 17:38 |
andersje |
howabout bacteria that just produce gasoline from waste? They can already do Butanol. |
| 17:38 |
RealBadAngel |
theyre efficent enough |
| 17:38 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: I should start posting videos or some kind and letting youtube plaster commercials all over them :-/ |
| 17:38 |
VanessaE |
RealBadAngel: solar PV, not solar thermal |
| 17:38 |
Jordach |
Calinou, t-shirts, mugs etc |
| 17:38 |
andersje |
couple PV with wind generation and geothermal heating/cooling systems, and you've got a real killer combination |
| 17:39 |
Jordach |
not to mention paid commissions |
| 17:39 |
Inocudom |
It is true that Earth has never been a paradise. More like hell actually. In fact, northern peoples used to refer to it as Hella. |
| 17:39 |
VanessaE |
however, it's damn close now. now it's more a matter of cost per unit of power |
| 17:39 |
Peacock |
with rising sea tides maybe we should be thinking about hydro power :P |
| 17:39 |
andersje |
plus improved insulation, means that we need less energy to heat and cool |
| 17:39 |
Jordach |
(now, while i get access to £600 a/mo. I could build a monster rig for blender) |
| 17:39 |
Inocudom |
Same could be said of the entire universe. |
| 17:39 |
* thefamilygrog66 |
is not sold on geothermal - known a few folks that have it, and they've paid insane electricity bills... |
| 17:39 |
andersje |
thefamilygrog66: what part of the country? |
| 17:40 |
VanessaE |
biggest problem with solar-anything (and wind) is most people don't live in single family dwellings. good luck setting up a PV array or wind turbine on top of your apartment :-/ |
| 17:40 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Ontario |
| 17:40 |
VanessaE |
(abe and I could, ours is a single-family home, but who knows how long that'll last....) |
| 17:40 |
andersje |
my biggest hesitation on geothermal is that it's SUPER expensive to spin up. |
| 17:40 |
andersje |
like $30k, so I save 50% on my heating/cooling |
| 17:40 |
andersje |
it takes me over 30 years to pay for the installation. |
| 17:40 |
andersje |
when it's down to 10, I'll think about it. |
| 17:40 |
VanessaE |
that's nuts |
| 17:40 |
andersje |
VanessaE: the landlord will setup the PV and wind turbine =) |
| 17:40 |
VanessaE |
PV pays off in around 7 years now |
| 17:41 |
VanessaE |
still too long-term for us. |
| 17:41 |
RealBadAngel |
VanessaE, in such cases building owners/comunnity shall install such things for the whole building. simple |
| 17:41 |
andersje |
right, but you have to swap panels every what, ten? |
| 17:41 |
thefamilygrog66 |
^^ |
| 17:41 |
VanessaE |
RealBadAngel: and who will pay for it? |
| 17:41 |
andersje |
and what's the lifescycle of the batteries? |
| 17:41 |
VanessaE |
andersje: every 30 odd. |
| 17:41 |
Peacock |
good luck, landlords expect tenants to repair his/her property lol |
| 17:41 |
VanessaE |
don't use batteries - grid tie. |
| 17:41 |
thefamilygrog66 |
have to reshingle the roof every 15, though! |
| 17:41 |
RealBadAngel |
cmon, you can buy solar panels at ikea for christ sake |
| 17:41 |
andersje |
wow. when my dad was toying with PV back in the 70s, it was like 8 years, and he could watch the efficiency drop every year. |
| 17:42 |
VanessaE |
andersje: yeah, they've gotten good now. warranties are routinely 25+ years and that's to get to 80% of the original capacity |
| 17:42 |
RealBadAngel |
folks are damn lazy |
| 17:42 |
Peacock |
heck when my water tank bust two apartments ago the landlord thought i would change it lol (imagine his surprise when we were gone a week later) |
| 17:42 |
VanessaE |
so unless you get pummeled by baseball-sized hail, you probably won't have to replace them |
| 17:42 |
Jordach |
> baseball sized hail |
| 17:42 |
Jordach |
OUCH |
| 17:42 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: not uncommon in the US Midwest |
| 17:42 |
Inocudom |
Perhaps if mankind focused more on spirituality and virtue instead of power and wealth, the Earth would be a happier place. |
| 17:43 |
andersje |
out by my parents farms, the wind farms are really popping up. |
| 17:43 |
Jordach |
how are you even alive VanessaE |
| 17:43 |
Inocudom |
Of cource, as the Ancient Greeks would say, the gods would never allow that. |
| 17:43 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: I live in North Carolina now. that's how :P |
| 17:43 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, farmer! |
| 17:43 |
andersje |
I understand the town of six hundred people, about twelve miles from my parent's place, is a net energy producer now. |
| 17:43 |
Peacock |
spirituality and virtue are overrated, most people just want to earn a decent living |
| 17:43 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: I was born and raised in the ass-crack of the Midwest - Kansas. :P |
| 17:44 |
andersje |
we only see baseball sized hail every 3 or four years |
| 17:44 |
Peacock |
eat decent food, be able to have a beer with friends, etc. |
| 17:44 |
andersje |
but I'm farther north than Kansas |
| 17:44 |
andersje |
and usually, it hits in a strip, say, five miles by twenty miles |
| 17:44 |
VanessaE |
yup |
| 17:44 |
Inocudom |
My own mother has been in Kansas. I would never want to go there. Ever. |
| 17:44 |
Jordach |
I was born in West Philidelphia born and raised and the playground was where I spend most of my days... |
| 17:44 |
andersje |
then all the roofers and autobody guys get to buy new cars with the proceeds ;) |
| 17:44 |
VanessaE |
andersje: that's how supercells are |
| 17:44 |
Nocte| |
The most boring place you can ever be in the world must be Finland. (Unless you live in Helsinki or something.) |
| 17:44 |
Inocudom |
Where I am at now is one of the safest places on Earth. |
| 17:44 |
andersje |
Kansas scares the shit out of me. |
| 17:44 |
andersje |
too flat, storms are too nasty |
| 17:44 |
VanessaE |
Nocte|: careful, celeron55 is from Finland |
| 17:44 |
Nocte| |
So am I. |
| 17:45 |
Nocte| |
:| |
| 17:45 |
Peacock |
i'd think Greenland would be more boring |
| 17:45 |
Nocte| |
Wait, people live in Greenland? ;) |
| 17:45 |
Peacock |
yeah lol |
| 17:45 |
andersje |
I found out my mother's haplogroup is most strongly represented in finland. |
| 17:45 |
VanessaE |
andersje: Abe and I got out of Joplin, MO 2 months before that big EF5 wiped out a quarter of the city back in May 2011 |
| 17:45 |
Inocudom |
Storms like those in the Midwest are becoming more and more universal. |
| 17:45 |
andersje |
VanessaE: good dodge! |
| 17:45 |
andersje |
yeah, we'll see increased storm damage for the foreseeable future. |
| 17:46 |
andersje |
oh well, beats an ice age. |
| 17:46 |
andersje |
at least we can grow crops in this |
| 17:46 |
VanessaE |
I'm pretty sure the Earth goes through cycles like this |
| 17:46 |
Nocte| |
Too bad there's not that many Metal bands that play in Joensuu. (Nearest town to me.) |
| 17:46 |
VanessaE |
who knows how it'll be next year |
| 17:46 |
Jordach |
we're currently in a Earth Period |
| 17:46 |
VanessaE |
another Ice Age might start, who knows |
| 17:46 |
Peacock |
last major storm in Quebec... http://www.aaaheatingac.com/newsite/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ice-storm-street.jpg |
| 17:46 |
Jordach |
(you know, when the world is shit for a few years) |
| 17:46 |
Peacock |
actually were still coming out of an ice age |
| 17:46 |
Peacock |
hence the panic over global warming |
| 17:47 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: so, business as usual for you canucks? ;) |
| 17:47 |
Inocudom |
An ice age is not as bad as the Venus syndrome. |
| 17:47 |
Jordach |
Peacock, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rog8ou-ZepE |
| 17:47 |
Peacock |
though the Vikings colonized North America when it was alot warmer |
| 17:47 |
VanessaE |
Inocudom: granted. |
| 17:47 |
FreeFull |
Peacock: We are coming out of the ice age way faster than we are supposed to |
| 17:47 |
VanessaE |
*looks at photo*... "Global warming", my ass! |
| 17:47 |
Calinou |
<Peacock> eat decent food, be able to have a beer with friends, etc. |
| 17:47 |
Calinou |
having a beer is how you make your decent living slightly less decent |
| 17:47 |
Calinou |
:p |
| 17:47 |
andersje |
Vikings grew wheat in Greenland |
| 17:47 |
VanessaE |
(there's a reason they've taken to using the phrase "climate change") |
| 17:47 |
andersje |
for a hundred years |
| 17:47 |
andersje |
"global climate weirding" |
| 17:47 |
Peacock |
calinou better than living as a eunuch |
| 17:47 |
VanessaE |
lol |
| 17:48 |
Inocudom |
Were there rainforests in North America at that time? Was it like the Amazon? |
| 17:48 |
Nocte| |
Ugh... Only interesting places in Joensuu are like: CD/Record store, Tabletop RPG store and Gamestop... You know you live in a boring place if those are the most interesting things. |
| 17:48 |
FreeFull |
Peacock: Regarding that picture, it looks like what happens when water that's barely above freezing hits something that's really cold |
| 17:48 |
Peacock |
vanessa not business as usual :P http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/xzj3xiDqLSY/hqdefault.jpg |
| 17:48 |
FreeFull |
I know stuff like that happens during winter with sea water |
| 17:48 |
Jordach |
Calinou, scuse me. Jack Daniels is the best way to live by |
| 17:48 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: what's that? |
| 17:48 |
VanessaE |
looks like a HT tower? |
| 17:48 |
Calinou |
Jordach: who's that? |
| 17:48 |
* andersje |
prefers wine. |
| 17:48 |
VanessaE |
(what's left of one) |
| 17:48 |
Jordach |
Calinou, WHISKEY |
| 17:48 |
Peacock |
downed power pylon |
| 17:48 |
* Calinou |
only uses wine to run windows programs |
| 17:48 |
Jordach |
Tennessee whiskey |
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VanessaE |
Peacock: right. HT = High Tension. What's the object in the background |
| 17:48 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 17:49 |
Dan_D |
VanessaE, what is the latest commit message for the castle repo? |
| 17:49 |
Peacock |
MT's olympic Stadium |
| 17:49 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: what else would you use it for? running Apple II demos? ;) |
| 17:49 |
Peacock |
ironically, wasn't finished on time for the 76 olympics ol |
| 17:49 |
Inocudom |
I would not want North America to become as hot as the Amazon. That is a scary thought. |
| 17:49 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: "Fixed Pillar Craft" |
| 17:49 |
Peacock |
and only paid off in full a few years ago |
| 17:49 |
Dan_D |
Dammit |
| 17:49 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: give it a minute |
| 17:49 |
Calinou |
if it doesn't become as hot as amazon, it'll be as hot as newegg |
| 17:49 |
* Calinou |
gallops away |
| 17:49 |
Dan_D |
I have tried pushing 3 times and every time appears to ahev failed |
| 17:49 |
VanessaE |
if you pushed, it may take a minute for it to show up |
| 17:49 |
VanessaE |
oh. |
| 17:49 |
Peacock |
id love for North America to heat up abit, ive always wanted to try living further up north |
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| 17:50 |
Inocudom |
With temperatures like that, Yellow Jacket Nest would easily become as large as cars. |
| 17:50 |
VanessaE |
did you `git add . ; git commit` first? |
| 17:50 |
Dan_D |
Yep |
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| 17:50 |
Jordach |
Inocudom, beware for the asian hornets |
| 17:50 |
Jordach |
big bastards |
| 17:50 |
Dan_D |
cd /home/daniel/Github/castle |
| 17:50 |
Peacock |
Yukon has some stunning landscapes too |
| 17:50 |
Inocudom |
Yeah, but you don't want the humidity to get real high. |
| 17:51 |
* Nocte| |
is soooo bored. :( |
| 17:51 |
Dan_D |
git add . ;git commit -m "Added Philipbenr's Stuff"; git push |
| 17:51 |
Inocudom |
Hot is hot when it is muggy. |
| 17:51 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: I wouldn't complain if it warmed up a few degrees. it's cheaper to run fans and/or AC than heaters. |
| 17:51 |
Dan_D |
Then username and password |
| 17:51 |
Dan_D |
And it failed |
| 17:51 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: what error? |
| 17:51 |
Peacock |
imagine if the Antarctica continent was habitable |
| 17:51 |
Dan_D |
It said it was done, but 3 times I have tried over about half an hour |
| 17:51 |
Peacock |
might solve a few overpopulation issues right there |
| 17:52 |
Dan_D |
Then on trying to visit gu=ithub, I got a picture of a unicorn |
| 17:52 |
Inocudom |
Ahh, the Japanese Giant Hornet. Said to have one of the most painful stings of any insect. |
| 17:52 |
Peacock |
more farmland too, with China buying up chunks of the Ukraine, wouldn't be a bad thing |
| 17:52 |
Jordach |
Inocudom, i have a useful trap |
| 17:52 |
Inocudom |
Just one sting can kill a person, even if that person is not allergic. |
| 17:52 |
Jordach |
they get stuck to the sap-like substance then get a 4000v tasering |
| 17:52 |
Peacock |
besides, more jobs for the future: old cities will have to be abandoned, new ones built |
| 17:52 |
Jordach |
(i inserted electrodes) |
| 17:53 |
Inocudom |
You might be seeing the European Hornet, Jordach. |
| 17:53 |
andersje |
if antarctica melts, it's my understanding that sea levels will rise 60m |
| 17:53 |
Dan_D |
Try now VanessaE |
| 17:53 |
Jordach |
Inocudom, some have been found in the UK |
| 17:53 |
Jordach |
i'm preparing early |
| 17:53 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: unicorn error! |
| 17:53 |
Dan_D |
Dammit |
| 17:53 |
andersje |
right now, cold winters have kept fireants out of the North central USA. |
| 17:53 |
andersje |
I hope that holds up |
| 17:53 |
Dan_D |
Unicorns FTW |
| 17:53 |
Peacock |
like i said, lots of reconstruction jobs :P |
| 17:53 |
Dan_D |
Ah well |
| 17:54 |
Dan_D |
Broken Github? |
| 17:54 |
Inocudom |
Unless, the Japanese Hornet (Vespa mandarinia) actually is where you live. |
| 17:54 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/extra/Screenshot%20-%2010012013%20-%2001:58:24%20PM.png |
| 17:54 |
Peacock |
besides it would be an opportunity to bury old innefficient and ugly cities, and build new, nice efficient ones |
| 17:54 |
VanessaE |
it's just github being slow :) |
| 17:54 |
Nocte| |
Quick question: Cleric, Fighter, Mage or Thief? |
| 17:54 |
Dan_D |
Yep, identical page VanessaE to what I get |
| 17:55 |
VanessaE |
none of the above. |
| 17:55 |
Nocte| |
Multiclass is allowed. :p |
| 17:55 |
Dan_D |
So, just wait till it says 'added Philipbenr's stuff' or anything later than the pillar craft one |
| 17:55 |
Dan_D |
Then update on the server |
| 17:56 |
Inocudom |
This is a video of the Japanese Giant Hornet: http://youtu.be/KQjWKeIwH6Y |
| 17:56 |
VanessaE |
Inocudom: eek. |
| 17:56 |
* Jordach |
is safety dancing |
| 17:57 |
VanessaE |
good G*D those are huge |
| 17:57 |
* Nocte| |
would pick Fighter/Mage. |
| 17:57 |
Hunterz |
how i can use rollback_check command? must select node, then do comand? |
| 17:57 |
kaeza |
execute command, then punch |
| 17:58 |
VanessaE |
Hunterz: execute /rollback_check #radius #seconds |
| 17:58 |
VanessaE |
punch a node |
| 17:58 |
Inocudom |
Here is another video of the Giant Japanese Hornet: http://youtu.be/JbTdfCxyv1U |
| 17:59 |
Dan_D |
VanessaE, why won't it update on github? |
| 17:59 |
Inocudom |
It is also known as Suzumebachi. |
| 17:59 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Anyone here ever get called for jury duty? |
| 17:59 |
Peacock |
what is this soft restart i've been hearing of? will we be able to test mods without shutting down and restarting all the time? |
| 17:59 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: I would guess github is having problemd |
| 17:59 |
VanessaE |
problems* |
| 17:59 |
VanessaE |
it's being very slow to load |
| 17:59 |
Peacock |
grog: jury duty, sounds like a bitch |
| 17:59 |
Peacock |
though it's easy enough to get yourself disqualified |
| 17:59 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Just got the form in the mail yesterday, Peacock. Oh boy... |
| 18:00 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: your update probably hasn't propagated to the web interface yet |
| 18:00 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Homer Simpson? |
| 18:00 |
Inocudom |
In Zelda Classic, if that hornet was an enemy, it would do as much damage to Link as a Death Knight. |
| 18:00 |
Dan_D |
Ok VanessaE |
| 18:00 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: I can git pull. "Added Shields etc" |
| 18:00 |
Peacock |
we do have selection here right? or you're automatically called to serve regardless of beliefs? |
| 18:00 |
Dan_D |
VanessaE, that is good, thanks |
| 18:01 |
Inocudom |
That mean a lot of damage. In most cases, instant death. Just like the Deathbo from DarkFlameWolf and Peteo's Lost Isle for Zelda Classic. |
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| 18:01 |
VanessaE |
thefamilygrog66: they just need to know how strong of an opinion you have towards the case or something |
| 18:01 |
Peacock |
if you make bigoted enough statements, they wont retain you to serve of the jury |
| 18:01 |
VanessaE |
anything that implies you'll not be purely impartial |
| 18:02 |
Peacock |
exactly, so be biased lol |
| 18:02 |
Hunterz |
rollback.txt should contain rollback data? |
| 18:02 |
Dan_D |
I hate the criminal because of his pimple... get him out of my dight! |
| 18:02 |
Dan_D |
*leaves court* |
| 18:02 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: um, no. |
| 18:02 |
Dan_D |
That is kinda biased |
| 18:03 |
Dan_D |
Not bigoted |
| 18:03 |
VanessaE |
that'll just get you sent to jail for contempt of court |
| 18:03 |
thefamilygrog66 |
If the case involves children at all, I'll definitely not be impartial... |
| 18:03 |
Dan_D |
No, contempt of guy with pimple |
| 18:03 |
Peacock |
you dont like children either? |
| 18:03 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Haha, jerk. |
| 18:03 |
Peacock |
(i cant stand them lol) |
| 18:04 |
VanessaE |
the sound of a child laughing is probably th most beautiful sound in the world |
| 18:04 |
Dan_D |
Not if they are a zombie child |
| 18:04 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I have two of my own, and would protect them with my life. |
| 18:04 |
Peacock |
conversely, the sound of a child whaling is about the worst |
| 18:04 |
gnu\mahomet |
Calinou |
| 18:04 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: https://status.github.com/messages |
| 18:04 |
Dan_D |
Whaling??? |
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thefamilygrog66 |
Narwhaling. |
| 18:04 |
Calinou |
gnu\mahomet: hi BSD :> |
| 18:04 |
Dan_D |
Kidsstrong enough to catch whales?Bloody hell! |
| 18:04 |
Calinou |
TIL you can have a \ in your IRC nick |
| 18:04 |
GNADev|zRokh |
hi |
| 18:05 |
Hunterz |
hmm looks like rollback.txt have zero size, must enable rollback feature somewhere? |
| 18:05 |
gnu\mahomet |
Calinou: you have exposed me |
| 18:05 |
Dan_D |
Ah,ok VanessaE |
| 18:05 |
Peacock |
me its just the idea that what kids expect today, smartphones and tablets, i'd hate to think what they would want in 15-20 years |
| 18:05 |
Calinou |
exposed me? |
| 18:05 |
mahomet |
that I'm not actually a GNU |
| 18:05 |
thefamilygrog66 |
blue screen of death? |
| 18:05 |
kaeza |
Hunterz, "enable_rollback_recording = true" in minetest.conf to enable |
| 18:05 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: simple solution to that problem: don't give in your your child's demands. be a parent, not a pushover. |
| 18:06 |
Peacock |
easy to say |
| 18:06 |
mahomet |
children want tablets and smartphones today because they're available and people are wealthier |
| 18:06 |
Peacock |
but then you look like a schmuck next to all the other parents who spoil their kids rotten |
| 18:06 |
VanessaE |
then look like a schmuck. |
| 18:06 |
Dan_D |
VanessaE, the castle mod doesn't appear to have updated |
| 18:06 |
VanessaE |
eventually the other parents get jealous of you |
| 18:06 |
mahomet |
mind you, a smartphone is pretty imperative these days |
| 18:06 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Sometimes ya gotta look like a schmuck - my parents sure as hell did. |
| 18:06 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: oh, sorry I forgot to deploy iy |
| 18:06 |
VanessaE |
it* |
| 18:06 |
Dan_D |
Ok |
| 18:07 |
Dan_D |
Annuva restart? |
| 18:07 |
mahomet |
useful little 'swiss army knife' of entertainment |
| 18:07 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: done. |
| 18:07 |
GNADev|zRokh |
hi VanessaE |
| 18:07 |
andersje |
My kids don't have smartphones |
| 18:07 |
GNADev|zRokh |
:) |
| 18:07 |
Dan_D |
Coolio |
| 18:07 |
Peacock |
and what about the costs of getting your kids a decent education? its already hella expensive |
| 18:07 |
andersje |
well, not with voice or data plans |
| 18:07 |
mahomet |
communication and so on |
| 18:07 |
Dan_D |
I have a £10 brick pay-as-you-go phone |
| 18:07 |
mahomet |
Peacock: funded from taxation |
| 18:07 |
andersje |
my kids have our cast-off old phones |
| 18:07 |
* Calinou |
doesn't have a phone |
| 18:07 |
GNADev|zRokh |
Dan_D: Coolio - Gangster's Paradise |
| 18:07 |
Dan_D |
Lol wow |
| 18:08 |
GNADev|zRokh |
what? |
| 18:08 |
Calinou |
don't need one |
| 18:08 |
mahomet |
Calinou: you must have difficulties in life without one |
| 18:08 |
GNADev|zRokh |
i dont have one too |
| 18:08 |
mahomet |
they are pretty imperative |
| 18:08 |
kahrl |
the smartphones that kids want are complete surveillance tools... no thanks |
| 18:08 |
Peacock |
lol my father was gone by the time my little sister got to high ed, and it's far from free |
| 18:08 |
GNADev|zRokh |
i gave mine away because i broke the other guys phone :D |
| 18:08 |
mahomet |
kahrl: only your location if you know what you do :) |
| 18:08 |
Calinou |
mahomet: not really |
| 18:08 |
Calinou |
my parents have a featurephone and they perfectly work |
| 18:08 |
kahrl |
why should anybody be allowed to know my location? |
| 18:09 |
Calinou |
(featurephone: "dumbphone") |
| 18:09 |
Ritchie_ |
phone? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRKu785g0O0&feature=share |
| 18:09 |
mahomet |
what of when you need to schedule an appointment? or need to be phoned for any variety of reasons |
| 18:09 |
andersje |
my oldest boy DOES have an insulin pump, tho =) |
| 18:09 |
Calinou |
I of course have phone at home |
| 18:09 |
Calinou |
but no mobile one personally |
| 18:09 |
mahomet |
kahrl: to save your life. you know, you can disable that |
| 18:09 |
ruskie |
except that featurephones tend to be smarter than smartphones |
| 18:09 |
Calinou |
I'm not scared of such spying |
| 18:09 |
Jordach |
\o/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWtMl7L6a2U |
| 18:09 |
Calinou |
ruskie: how? |
| 18:09 |
mahomet |
the thing featurephones have over modern smartphones is that they aren't slow piles of bloated junk |
| 18:09 |
mahomet |
Windows Mobile 6.5 and Blackberry OS seemed to be the only mobile smartphone OSes that weren't slower than treacle |
| 18:10 |
kahrl |
with phones that don't allow you to take out the battery, you can't disabled geolocation |
| 18:10 |
kahrl |
-d |
| 18:10 |
Peacock |
well if the gov't wanted to spy on you, they wouldn't need a smartphone to do it, in the olden times, they used agents with cars for surveillance, tapped your home lines, etc. |
| 18:10 |
andersje |
I agree with mahomet: simple phones are better at being phones |
| 18:10 |
kaeza |
we should stop making smarter phones and being making smarter users |
| 18:10 |
kaeza |
begin* |
| 18:10 |
ruskie |
Calinou, with a smartphone you are the smart bit of it... with a feature phone it's smart enough to do focus on the few bits you actually need and do them well |
| 18:10 |
* kaeza |
runs |
| 18:10 |
mahomet |
kahrl: i can, turn on aeroplane mode |
| 18:10 |
GNADev|zRokh |
Gamer using a sweat-controller: "Why ya sweating, Calinou?" |
| 18:10 |
mahomet |
if aeroplane mode still utilized cellular radio it wouldn't be very aeroplane |
| 18:11 |
Peacock |
and if they wanted to armtwist one of your friends into spying on you, they'd go through all your friends' tax records |
| 18:11 |
mahomet |
thank goodness I'm on pay-as-you-earn |
| 18:11 |
Calinou |
ruskie: true :) |
| 18:11 |
Exio4 |
kahrl: i'd get a nokia n9 just for having a real linux |
| 18:12 |
ruskie |
I'm happy with my N900 |
| 18:12 |
Calinou |
mahomet: ios and WP seem to be quite reactive |
| 18:12 |
Peacock |
smartphone contract expires in a month, after that im going back to dumbphones, but only because i find apps annoying (a billion updates a week) |
| 18:12 |
Calinou |
not the case for most android phones though |
| 18:12 |
Exio4 |
ruskie: i hate you :( |
| 18:12 |
Calinou |
lol, paying for a career with the phone |
| 18:12 |
Calinou |
it's terrible to do that |
| 18:12 |
Calinou |
buy your phone separately :P |
| 18:12 |
ruskie |
Exio4, and waiting to see sailfish or tizien do something |
| 18:12 |
mahomet |
adnroid is real linux too, you know. although it does have an incredibly slow software stack |
| 18:12 |
mahomet |
god I can't stand it, it's so slow and crashprone |
| 18:12 |
ruskie |
mahomet, and a totaly crippled libc |
| 18:12 |
Exio4 |
k, i should have said "gnu/linux" |
| 18:13 |
Calinou |
android is the only major open sourcem obile OS :( |
| 18:13 |
Exio4 |
because android is a fucked up kernel + fucked up libc + fucked up coreutils + fucked up <insert-any-shit-there> |
| 18:13 |
thexyz |
how much gnu code is there? |
| 18:13 |
Peacock |
besides having a smartphone that can do a million different things is pretty useless if it autoreboots during a call lol |
| 18:13 |
thexyz |
why is it gnu/linux? |
| 18:13 |
ruskie |
well sailfish is mer and tizien is meego more or less |
| 18:13 |
mahomet |
android barely needs coreutils or a libc |
| 18:13 |
Exio4 |
we're talking about maemo/meego |
| 18:13 |
mahomet |
it's java oriented |
| 18:13 |
Exio4 |
debian in your phone |
| 18:13 |
Peacock |
isn't maemo dead? |
| 18:14 |
ruskie |
Peacock, mer, sailfish, tizien all trace from there |
| 18:14 |
Peacock |
yeah no i read about maemo a few years back |
| 18:14 |
Peacock |
though i thought whoever was developing it dropped it |
| 18:14 |
mahomet |
anyway if I wanted UNIX on my phone i'd get an i-Phone |
| 18:14 |
Ritchie_ |
Exio4: android... +1 |
| 18:14 |
mahomet |
price is unjustifiable though |
| 18:14 |
ruskie |
maemo itself is still alive and kicking from community efforts |
| 18:15 |
Peacock |
yeah but no one will be making phones with it if the company backing it pulled out :P |
| 18:15 |
ruskie |
will see in a few years |
| 18:15 |
Peacock |
i think they advertisize now as a mobile OS for netbooks and shit? |
| 18:15 |
Peacock |
in a few years either android or ios will dominate |
| 18:15 |
Ritchie_ |
Peacock: i have maemo (nokia n810) but some repositories died |
| 18:15 |
ruskie |
hahahahahaha |
| 18:15 |
mahomet |
actually, I bet android is so slow to make you buy a new phone every few years. everyime you buy a new one it feels fast then you realise it's slow as treacle |
| 18:15 |
ruskie |
Peacock, I'm thinking nokia might start from scratch now that they got rid of all the legacy crap |
| 18:16 |
Peacock |
didn't MS buy nokia? |
| 18:16 |
ruskie |
no |
| 18:16 |
Peacock |
or am i thinking of another phone company |
| 18:16 |
ruskie |
they gave nokia a bunch of money to buy their devices+services part |
| 18:16 |
Calinou |
MS bought the mobile division |
| 18:16 |
ruskie |
and have 2 years of tradmark use for nokia, lumia, asha |
| 18:16 |
ruskie |
and licensed the patents for 10 years |
| 18:16 |
Peacock |
yeah MS bough nokia's phone business |
| 18:16 |
Peacock |
and service business |
| 18:17 |
ruskie |
nokia still has all the patents, still a lot of tech, they still have navteq as well |
| 18:17 |
ruskie |
they can now design stuff and give stuff over to OEMs to manufacture with whatever they want |
| 18:17 |
Peacock |
i doubt they'll be touching another OS while in MS's grip :P |
| 18:17 |
ruskie |
and with fresh blood |
| 18:17 |
ruskie |
Peacock, they're not in MS's grip |
| 18:17 |
mahomet |
i miss Windows Mobile 6.5 :( |
| 18:17 |
Nocte| |
Hmm... Could you guys share pictures of houses you have build? :p |
| 18:17 |
GNADev|zRokh |
mahomet: DAFUQ?! |
| 18:17 |
Peacock |
money changed hands, MS expects something out of the deal :P |
| 18:17 |
ruskie |
Peacock, nokia the company got the 7billion or however much money |
| 18:18 |
GNADev|zRokh |
iHouse > Windows |
| 18:18 |
GNADev|zRokh |
reason: the iHouse doesnt have ANY Windows |
| 18:18 |
ruskie |
Peacock, all MS got from that is the devices+service division, limited use of patents and very limited use of trademarks |
| 18:18 |
Nocte| |
Hah. |
| 18:18 |
mahomet |
GNADev|zRokh: it was fast. it multitasked without blowing the previous app out of memory every time |
| 18:18 |
GNADev|zRokh |
but it sucks |
| 18:18 |
Peacock |
if anything you're next best hope for an alternative phone OS is in the failing BlackBerry company |
| 18:18 |
Peacock |
ruskie, so why do you think they bought them? |
| 18:18 |
GNADev|zRokh |
MS buttfucked you (sorry for saying, but its true) |
| 18:19 |
kaeza |
Nocte|, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6151 :3 |
| 18:19 |
mahomet |
funnily enough, Windows Mobile 6.5 had BBM port |
| 18:19 |
ruskie |
Peacock, because microsoft needs the manufacturing capability |
| 18:19 |
mahomet |
well actually it had a whole port of Blackberry OS running as an app lol |
| 18:19 |
mahomet |
GNADev|zRokh: i am aware, they abandoned it |
| 18:19 |
ruskie |
Peacock, they bought that as well |
| 18:19 |
Peacock |
"when Nokia’s Canadian CEO and former Microsoft executive, Stephen Elop, agreed to use Microsoft’s Windows phone operating system for its new devices." |
| 18:19 |
mahomet |
and while the community keeps it alive it cannot last forever |
| 18:19 |
Peacock |
[ct]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/international-business/us-business/microsoft-buying-nokias-devices-and-services-business-in-72-billion-deal/article14078586/ |
| 18:20 |
ruskie |
Peacock, yes I'm well aware of it... why are you linking pointless stuff |
| 18:20 |
* Nocte| |
wants to play some Multi today. |
| 18:20 |
Peacock |
MS doesn't buy businesses for nothing lol |
| 18:20 |
Peacock |
because you're off base lol |
| 18:20 |
Calinou |
GNADev|zRokh: WP market share is increasing by quite a lot these days |
| 18:20 |
Calinou |
no, in a lot of countries |
| 18:20 |
Peacock |
let's stick to the facts and keep away from wishful thinking |
| 18:20 |
ruskie |
Peacock, nope... Nokia has not been bought by microsoft... they still exist as a company and just got a ton of cash they can sink into new stuff if they so wish... they're still making network backend gear |
| 18:21 |
Nocte| |
I could be interested in trying to build veeeeery deep mines in Co-op style. :p |
| 18:21 |
mahomet |
I tried to install Windows Phone 7.8 on my HTC HD2. awful experience. Windows Mobile 6.5 by far superior |
| 18:21 |
Calinou |
Nocte|: that's what she said :3 |
| 18:21 |
Nocte| |
Hehe. |
| 18:21 |
Peacock |
and you think nokia will take MS's cash and develope an alternative system despite the deal they have with MS to use WP? |
| 18:21 |
ruskie |
Peacock, I would say 7 billion is plenty to develop quite a few OEM devices running android, tizien etc... |
| 18:21 |
ruskie |
Peacock, they don't have a deal to use WP anymore |
| 18:21 |
Nocte| |
brb. |
| 18:21 |
Peacock |
*now entering FantansyLand* |
| 18:21 |
Calinou |
any smartphone < 2011 has a bad experience, because of mono core CPU |
| 18:21 |
ruskie |
Peacock, that deal is dead in the water on 2014-01-01 when devices+services gets transfered to microsoft |
| 18:22 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: visiting the US? ;) |
| 18:22 |
Peacock |
wherever ruskie happens to be :P |
| 18:22 |
Peacock |
(the universe where evil spock lives) |
| 18:22 |
mahomet |
Calinou: my monocore HD2 running WM6.5 ran like a bat out of hell |
| 18:22 |
mahomet |
hell, my HTC TyTN and Wizard before that, even. |
| 18:23 |
mahomet |
could have MSN on, listening to music, internet explorering, IRC, and nothing got pushed out of memory |
| 18:23 |
Hunterz |
does minetest something like groups? i dont like add grant to player, prefer create group, then gran privileges to group |
| 18:23 |
ruskie |
Peacock, there is a reasonable chance of it happening but yeah... didn't we have this discussion a few weeks ago and it ended mostly the same? with you doing ad hominem |
| 18:23 |
mahomet |
that with a 200mhz processor and 64MB of RAM. |
| 18:24 |
* ruskie |
goes listen paint dry... more fun |
| 18:24 |
mahomet |
in those days smartphones were /efficient/ |
| 18:24 |
Peacock |
i dont think ive ever spoken to you about much before tbh |
| 18:24 |
GNADev|zRokh |
Microsoft is making the Ad |
| 18:24 |
GNADev|zRokh |
...'s a part of the actual experience |
| 18:24 |
Peacock |
but to think MS would buy a good chunk of Nokia's business so they could develop other OS's, is a fantasy IMO |
| 18:25 |
Calinou |
mahomet: but programming was also harder, and it looked bad :p |
| 18:25 |
Calinou |
and games were much more limited too |
| 18:25 |
Calinou |
GNADev|zRokh: so is google... |
| 18:25 |
VanessaE |
ads? people still see ads? |
| 18:25 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 18:25 |
ruskie |
Peacock, MS won't... they bought them to further WP no doubt about that... but Nokia the company now has no such restriction |
| 18:26 |
GNADev|zRokh |
no, XBox Live has ads on the dashboard even if the user is using XBox Live Gold! |
| 18:26 |
ruskie |
nokia had a ton of legacy and management issues |
| 18:26 |
VanessaE |
glad I don't use MS products then |
| 18:26 |
VanessaE |
screw that. |
| 18:26 |
ruskie |
this way they got rid of those and got a bunch of money in the trade |
| 18:26 |
GNADev|zRokh |
exactly, VanessaE |
| 18:26 |
ruskie |
basically a clean slate for nokia |
| 18:26 |
VanessaE |
I only have a Wii and I barely ever turn that on even,. |
| 18:26 |
ruskie |
they can do something with it... or they might not |
| 18:26 |
* GNADev|zRokh |
thinks it should be Microsoft Hate Day |
| 18:26 |
ruskie |
it's up to them |
| 18:26 |
GNADev|zRokh |
One does not simply make advertisements a part of the experience. |
| 18:27 |
Peacock |
i think any company would be insane to try to introduce another OS now |
| 18:27 |
VanessaE |
GNADev|zRokh: I hate Microsoft as much as anyone else, but I have to lower my level of hate just a tad - Bill Gates did admit that Ctrl-Alt-Delete was "a mistake" :) |
| 18:27 |
ruskie |
they don't need to introduce another OS |
| 18:27 |
Peacock |
unless you make it compatible with either major app market, its doomed to failure |
| 18:27 |
ruskie |
what they need to do is make a nokia android device |
| 18:27 |
ruskie |
and basically corner the market |
| 18:27 |
Nocte| |
Meh. Xbox360 isn't that bad if you don't need multiplayer. |
| 18:27 |
GNADev|zRokh |
xD |
| 18:27 |
Jordach |
the 360's problem is the Multiplay |
| 18:27 |
Jordach |
er* |
| 18:27 |
Calinou |
VanessaE: there are a decent amount of people who like microsoft |
| 18:28 |
Calinou |
(and aren't MS employees :P) |
| 18:28 |
Peacock |
ah well thats basically what i said about blackberry, they should have given up the OS game and specialized in messaging and business apps, and stick to making phones with android and hard keyboard |
| 18:28 |
mahomet |
Calinou: i thought it looked reasonable :) on par with WinXP |
| 18:28 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: and they're all wrong ;) |
| 18:28 |
Calinou |
usually beacuse of WP or Surface Pro |
| 18:28 |
ruskie |
Peacock, you wouldn't be the only one |
| 18:28 |
GNADev|zRokh |
"If you don't have an internet connection then get a XBox 360" |
| 18:28 |
Calinou |
surface (pro) is one of the few tablets, if not only, that can use USB host |
| 18:28 |
mahomet |
surface pro is a modernisation of the old tablets (basically laptops with no keyboard) |
| 18:28 |
Jordach |
Calinou, i've seen an actual surface |
| 18:28 |
Peacock |
MS hate is so passe :P it was allright in the 90s when the OS really did suck balls |
| 18:28 |
ruskie |
Peacock, but the difference between blackberry and nokia now... nokia got 7 billion in cash... they have the money to do something like that |
| 18:29 |
Jordach |
they're really nice to hold and use |
| 18:29 |
mahomet |
new style tablets all followed the iPad |
| 18:29 |
ruskie |
blackberry sadly is just sliding into obscurity |
| 18:29 |
Peacock |
whereas blackberry just posted a billion dollar loss lol |
| 18:29 |
Calinou |
MS hate is justified for Windows & Office monopoly |
| 18:29 |
ruskie |
someone actually suggested that the best buy for microsoft would have been blackberry |
| 18:29 |
Jordach |
if Microsoft BOUGHT BlackBerry and not Nokia, think of the shit MS could do |
| 18:29 |
ruskie |
they would get all the enterprise stuff |
| 18:29 |
GNADev|zRokh |
:O |
| 18:29 |
Calinou |
surface pro lacks extensible storage/replaceable battery iirc |
| 18:29 |
Jordach |
MS = Business, BB = Business |
| 18:29 |
Calinou |
and is expensive for what it does |
| 18:29 |
Peacock |
<Calinou> MS hate is justified for Windows & Office monopoly |
| 18:29 |
ruskie |
and face it... even if you don't like them... they do enterprise/business well |
| 18:29 |
Peacock |
what does it matter to you if you use something else? |
| 18:30 |
mahomet |
blackberry's been popular with teens for years |
| 18:30 |
mahomet |
cheap and allows communication that isn't text messaging |
| 18:30 |
Calinou |
because people enforce .doc and .docx on me, and give me software that isn't compatible for linux |
| 18:30 |
Calinou |
and make FOSS go backward |
| 18:30 |
Dan_D |
VanessaE, what is the current commit message for castle? |
| 18:30 |
Peacock |
you expect full compatiblity when linux is less than 1% of the consumer market? |
| 18:31 |
mahomet |
i'm sure OpenOffice is quite compatible with docx |
| 18:31 |
Dan_D |
It should be: |
| 18:31 |
Dan_D |
Update crafting for pb's stuff |
| 18:31 |
mahomet |
it is an open standard after all |
| 18:31 |
* GNADev|zRokh |
thinks that games should be de-activatable (if registered with a serial key) so that if you don't want to play a game you can give it away (Steam does that already :D ) |
| 18:31 |
ruskie |
mahomet, maybe 80% |
| 18:31 |
VanessaE |
Update crafting for pb's stuff |
| 18:31 |
GNADev|zRokh |
or will do |
| 18:31 |
Peacock |
if libroffice rendered my doc and docx files properly, i wouldn't need to update my CV from win7 |
| 18:31 |
Dan_D |
VanessaE, can you update it on your server again? |
| 18:31 |
ruskie |
my CV is a latex source file I build into a pdf |
| 18:31 |
ruskie |
edit with any text editor |
| 18:31 |
Peacock |
and i wont expect employers to install libreoffice just to view little-ol-me's CV lol |
| 18:31 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: pulled and staged. |
| 18:31 |
mahomet |
mine's HTML and CSS becaise |
| 18:31 |
Dan_D |
Thanks V |
| 18:32 |
mahomet |
well, because I like it that way |
| 18:32 |
mahomet |
but I generally print it. not that i need it, really |
| 18:32 |
VanessaE |
servers updated and restarted |
| 18:32 |
Nocte| |
Meh, Steam.. Horrible DRM. |
| 18:32 |
* Calinou |
uses steam, but doesn't buy anything on it |
| 18:32 |
Dan_D |
Paper copies of files are always good to have |
| 18:32 |
Peacock |
i tried using pdf's, but not all employers have adobe shit installed, some have locked down computers too |
| 18:32 |
Calinou |
mahomet: LibreOffice works ok with doc and docx |
| 18:32 |
Calinou |
not perfect at all :P |
| 18:33 |
mahomet |
it's funny how some linux activists think that Steam are FOSS' best friends, but Steam is a walled garden just like the Windows 8 Market they criticise |
| 18:33 |
GNADev|zRokh |
k bye |
| 18:33 |
Peacock |
well the same file on both suites doesn't look the same :P |
| 18:33 |
Calinou |
I never used latex |
| 18:33 |
Calinou |
mahomet: "AAA" software is praised when it comes to linux, always |
| 18:33 |
RealBadAngel |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7343 |
| 18:33 |
Calinou |
often proprietary :p |
| 18:33 |
Peacock |
mahomet don't worry, the slightest bit of proprietary code and we'll have a new crusade on our hands lol |
| 18:34 |
ruskie |
Peacock, heh I can believe that... but then such companies wouldn't be my targets anyway |
| 18:34 |
Nocte| |
If the physical copies could be played without using Steam, I wouldn't complain about it. |
| 18:34 |
Peacock |
ruskie i dont really five a shit what software suite an employer is running, all cash is green |
| 18:34 |
Peacock |
*give |
| 18:34 |
mahomet |
i like to own a piece of software i have. that is, actually own it, not just have a license. FOSS licenses emulate ownership which is fine |
| 18:34 |
ruskie |
Peacock, heh I meant more along the lines of how open they are to alternatives... I run linux exclusively everywhere... even my work box is lunix |
| 18:34 |
ruskie |
erm linux |
| 18:35 |
Peacock |
if anything, in the tech field, some (many) employers avoid FOSS zealots because its hard to get work done with them around |
| 18:35 |
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| 18:35 |
ruskie |
if I can't do that that employeer isn't much of an interest for me |
| 18:35 |
ruskie |
but no I'm not a zealot |
| 18:35 |
ruskie |
I'll manage windows servers, domains, other crap just as well |
| 18:35 |
mahomet |
freebsd for me, thanks |
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| 18:35 |
ruskie |
even better with tools on linux |
| 18:36 |
Peacock |
they get into a workplace, and they start advocating they change their whole way of doing things to fit one employee's principals |
| 18:36 |
ruskie |
yeah... don't like that myself |
| 18:36 |
ruskie |
I'm more of... if it works don't change it |
| 18:36 |
Calinou |
Peacock: never saw that happening |
| 18:37 |
Peacock |
i mean if it's *your* business, you can do it the way you want, but i wouldn't tell others how to conduct theirs |
| 18:37 |
Calinou |
people advocating FOSS usually don't do that at work |
| 18:37 |
ruskie |
Peacock, well I need to give input as a sysadmin... hell it's expected of me |
| 18:37 |
Calinou |
or ask if they can use their favourite OS at work |
| 18:37 |
Peacock |
in NA yeah they do lol |
| 18:37 |
Calinou |
if they can, it's cool, if they can't, they'll do with it |
| 18:37 |
* Jordach |
advocates FOSS gaming where needed |
| 18:37 |
Nocte| |
FOSS? |
| 18:37 |
ruskie |
but of course both my manager and boss do prefer no cost solutions |
| 18:37 |
Calinou |
+1 |
| 18:37 |
Calinou |
Free and Open Source Software |
| 18:37 |
ruskie |
atleast where it makes sense |
| 18:37 |
Peacock |
but zealotry in north america is the same regardless of the religion (more intense) |
| 18:38 |
Peacock |
no cost solution is good, but if you run into bugs, need customizations, and the maintainer is gone or doesn't care, you got a problem |
| 18:38 |
* Jordach |
managed to get to the network manager on Windows 7 at college |
| 18:39 |
Jordach |
jesus fuck there's like 6 servers running the shpw |
| 18:39 |
Jordach |
show* |
| 18:39 |
ruskie |
Peacock, true... but rarely an issue here |
| 18:39 |
ruskie |
Peacock, but yeah exploring stuff is good |
| 18:39 |
ruskie |
before implementing |
| 18:39 |
Peacock |
heck when i ran a UPS shop, the software for it dated back to win95 lol |
| 18:39 |
ruskie |
we have one dev that keeps cursing svn |
| 18:39 |
ruskie |
complaining how it's crap etc... |
| 18:39 |
Jordach |
git ftw |
| 18:39 |
ruskie |
yet all other people have no prob with it |
| 18:40 |
Jordach |
ruskie, svn is evil |
| 18:40 |
Jordach |
anyone can pick git up |
| 18:40 |
Peacock |
svn vs git vs ... is like distro wars lol |
| 18:40 |
ruskie |
Jordach, heh we have one guy that started with git recently for personal stuff |
| 18:40 |
ruskie |
Peacock, agreed |
| 18:40 |
Dan_D |
VanessaE, when you get Crafting Fixes as the github commit message, can you update (AGAIN!) on your server? Thanks |
| 18:40 |
Peacock |
jordach not anyone lol |
| 18:40 |
ruskie |
he started asking when we'll switch to git... told him go talk with the manager |
| 18:40 |
Calinou |
git is better than svn, for nearly everything |
| 18:41 |
ruskie |
Calinou, if you have people that have a clue what version control, merging, etc... is... |
| 18:41 |
ruskie |
I've given these people atleast 2 full blown 8h courses with svn topics... |
| 18:41 |
Nocte| |
Do any of you guys play Roguelikes btw? |
| 18:41 |
ruskie |
still run into a brick wall of how to do this |
| 18:42 |
ruskie |
and I tried to make things as simple as possible |
| 18:42 |
Calinou |
it took me less than a hour on how to use git with github |
| 18:42 |
Calinou |
not that hard... |
| 18:42 |
Calinou |
yet I suck at programming |
| 18:42 |
ruskie |
but apparently I as a sysadmin am the most qualified in using SCM tools |
| 18:42 |
kahrl |
Nocte|: I started a few nethack games but didn't get farther than around level 6-7 |
| 18:42 |
Calinou |
Nocte|: no :P |
| 18:42 |
ruskie |
Calinou, I run my own git repos and don't have and won't have a github account |
| 18:42 |
Nocte| |
Hehe Kahrl. |
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| 18:43 |
Nocte| |
I only get to Dungeon Level 4-5ish. |
| 18:43 |
ruskie |
Nocte|, there is a record of my games on nethack.alt.org under the same nick |
| 18:45 |
Nocte| |
Nethack is really annoying when it makes you fall to the lower level. :p |
| 18:45 |
Peacock |
+1 for cursor mode and clickable hud :-) |
| 18:45 |
ruskie |
telnet nethack.alt.org |
| 18:45 |
ruskie |
only way to play |
| 18:45 |
ruskie |
share the embaresment with everyone in #nethack |
| 18:45 |
Peacock |
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1241/wtfmcedit.png |
| 18:46 |
thefamilygrog66 |
wha' happened? |
| 18:46 |
* Exio4 |
wants a N9 |
| 18:46 |
ruskie |
Exio4, why not a used n900? |
| 18:47 |
Exio4 |
i can't find any used n900 in my city |
| 18:47 |
Exio4 |
only n9 |
| 18:48 |
Nocte| |
What server is #nethack at? |
| 18:48 |
ruskie |
Nocte|, this one |
| 18:48 |
thexyz |
Nocte|: any |
| 18:49 |
Nocte| |
K. |
| 18:49 |
ruskie |
also there is something of interest for you as well brewing check the Neo900(http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142) |
| 18:49 |
ruskie |
Exio4, for you ^^ |
| 18:49 |
Exio4 |
openmoko? |
| 18:49 |
Calinou |
ssh? telnet? O_o |
| 18:49 |
Peacock |
i miss hard keyboards :P friggin hate touchscreen kb's |
| 18:49 |
Exio4 |
n900 |
| 18:49 |
Peacock |
(tried entering a password with one? lol) |
| 18:49 |
ruskie |
Exio4, n900 with new hardware |
| 18:50 |
Peacock |
you have to repeat it so many times anyone watching has a good idea what it is lol |
| 18:51 |
Exio4 |
i can type my pw w/o problems with a touch kb |
| 18:51 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Hey Calinou, can you do me a topic move favour, please? |
| 18:51 |
thexyz |
and it also highlights keys you press which is very convenient! |
| 18:51 |
Exio4 |
ruskie: can't check atm, though |
| 18:51 |
thexyz |
I mean, it's even easier to see the password |
| 18:52 |
Calinou |
thefamilygrog66: yes? :) |
| 18:52 |
Exio4 |
ruskie: ysing my android device :P |
| 18:52 |
Exio4 |
using* |
| 18:53 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Thanks: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7307 moved to mod releases? |
| 18:53 |
ruskie |
Exio4, heh my tab2 is for having fun mostly |
| 18:53 |
ruskie |
don't have any other droid device |
| 18:53 |
Peacock |
and the damn screen rotating on the slightest incline lol |
| 18:53 |
* Exio4 |
has a lg p350g |
| 18:53 |
ruskie |
Peacock, I have that disabled hehe |
| 18:53 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: disable it |
| 18:53 |
ruskie |
on any device |
| 18:53 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I've enabled it on my tablet - keeps me on my toes. |
| 18:53 |
Exio4 |
i have it enabled because broken touchscreen |
| 18:54 |
Exio4 |
half works, half doesn't |
| 18:54 |
Peacock |
that too - my old old nokia phone could bounce off walls and floors and still work lol |
| 18:54 |
ruskie |
yeah |
| 18:54 |
ruskie |
glad I still have all my old nokia phones |
| 18:54 |
Exio4 |
nokia |
| 18:54 |
Peacock |
which was pretty handy when i had frustrating calls lol |
| 18:54 |
Peacock |
it kinda, "leapt" out of my hands lol |
| 18:54 |
Exio4 |
nokia 1100 |
| 18:55 |
Exio4 |
you can break things with it, yet you can't break it |
| 18:55 |
Peacock |
sucks that i cant sell all those free cruises i won, i'd be a billionaire |
| 18:55 |
ruskie |
nokia 5110(~1999), 5140i, n95 are all the ones I have |
| 18:55 |
Exio4 |
lolwut |
| 18:55 |
Calinou |
thefamilygrog66: done :) |
| 18:56 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Thank you! |
| 18:56 |
mahomet |
nokia 3320 |
| 18:56 |
mahomet |
now those were some good phones |
| 18:56 |
mahomet |
solid |
| 18:56 |
Exio4 |
rocks |
| 18:56 |
Exio4 |
bricks! |
| 18:57 |
Peacock |
http://memeblender.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/indestructible-nokia-meme-strongest-hammer.jpg |
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| 19:13 |
Nocte| |
Do you guys know any good free & open source FPS games? |
| 19:13 |
Peacock |
Zonotic is apparently good |
| 19:13 |
Peacock |
never tried |
| 19:13 |
ShadowNinja |
Xonotic* |
| 19:14 |
Peacock |
return to castle wolfenstein is available on linux, but sound requires some hacking |
| 19:14 |
ShadowNinja |
OpenSpades too. |
| 19:14 |
andersje |
battlefield4 beta is out. but...it's not open source, and it takes a metric shitton of hardware. |
| 19:14 |
Peacock |
sorry lol spelled it how it sounds |
| 19:14 |
andersje |
8P |
| 19:14 |
Nocte| |
I'm using Windows 7 btw. |
| 19:14 |
Peacock |
ah, well, return to castle wolfenstein should work fine then |
| 19:15 |
Peacock |
my wife really enjoys being able to strip soldiers in that game :P |
| 19:15 |
Nocte| |
Seems like every free opensource FPS is like some Sci-Fi thing. |
| 19:15 |
Peacock |
wolf is ww2 |
| 19:15 |
andersje |
Nocte|: she'd love fallout3 or fallout:newvegas then |
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| 20:00 |
Peacock |
and god said "let there be beer", and there was |
| 20:03 |
Peacock |
im pretty sure im making more money writing the shopping cart system than the client is going to make selling greeting cards, but what the heck lol |
| 20:04 |
* Nocte| |
whines until somebody plays Multi... |
| 20:05 |
Nocte| |
Hehe. |
| 20:06 |
Peacock |
Multi? |
| 20:06 |
Calinou |
Nocte| would do for a good graphics card, they whine. |
| 20:07 |
mahomet |
you just reminded me to pour myself another g&t |
| 20:07 |
Peacock |
i like gin, not crazy about the tonic lol |
| 20:07 |
Calinou |
hello beer users :> |
| 20:07 |
VanessaE |
bbl |
| 20:07 |
Peacock |
gin and 7up not bad |
| 20:08 |
Peacock |
just missing our german and irish friends and we start beer club (first rule of beer club, do not remember beer club :P) |
| 20:09 |
Nocte| |
Multi = Multiplayer. |
| 20:09 |
Peacock |
there are many multi servers online |
| 20:10 |
Nocte| |
What about Russians? Oh wait, those are bots and vodka drinkers. ;) |
| 20:10 |
Peacock |
i haven't touched vodka since the last blackout lol |
| 20:10 |
Peacock |
apparently karaoke was involved |
| 20:10 |
Peacock |
this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8hjtFq3vE0 |
| 20:11 |
Nocte| |
And most embarassing song sung? |
| 20:11 |
Nocte| |
;) |
| 20:11 |
Peacock |
apparently after that i recited a klingon drinking song lol |
| 20:11 |
Peacock |
and people were like "wtf?" |
| 20:11 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 20:12 |
Nocte| |
At least it wasn't THAT embarassing. |
| 20:12 |
Nocte| |
:| |
| 20:12 |
Nocte| |
You could've been singing some random bad pop songs. |
| 20:12 |
Peacock |
id have to know them first lol |
| 20:13 |
Nocte| |
If I would get drunk at one point and sing something: I would sing this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJJ4s-bFnjE |
| 20:13 |
Peacock |
i tend more towards classical, jazz and half the stuff on hypem.com |
| 20:13 |
Nocte| |
Best Metal party song ever. |
| 20:13 |
Peacock |
there it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Od7wNxwq8k |
| 20:14 |
jin_xi |
Qapla' |
| 20:15 |
Nocte| |
Lol, Klingon. |
| 20:15 |
Peacock |
at least I didn't do Three Little Maids |
| 20:15 |
Peacock |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0b5KKIkm7k |
| 20:16 |
Peacock |
wrong clip |
| 20:16 |
Peacock |
this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvCf8HyvOQE |
| 20:17 |
Peacock |
wrong clip too, wtf youtube lol |
| 20:17 |
Peacock |
i click on a link, it loads the video from the last page |
| 20:18 |
Jordach |
finally! |
| 20:18 |
Jordach |
finally got the lasers to delete themselves when they go into the offscreen buffer |
| 20:19 |
Jordach |
(now the player can't spam them ;) ) |
| 20:19 |
Jordach |
anyways, im out for the night |
| 20:19 |
Hunterz |
http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.7-3c4734d-win32.7z |
| 20:19 |
Peacock |
the night is young |
| 20:19 |
Hunterz |
thsi solve problem with 3d armor |
| 20:19 |
Hunterz |
this |
| 20:19 |
Hunterz |
unoficial build |
| 20:19 |
Peacock |
the fun thing with entities is you can change the texture i think without restarting |
| 20:20 |
Nocte| |
I had to learn this as a second song for my guitar class: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CHjYHwNzx0 |
| 20:20 |
Peacock |
oh deer lord i always sucked with musical instruments |
| 20:20 |
Nocte| |
Its SIMPLE! |
| 20:20 |
Peacock |
in HS, i got 100% in math, 0% in music lol |
| 20:20 |
Nocte| |
So simple that I played faster than that version. ;) |
| 20:21 |
Nocte| |
And I'm a newbie. |
| 20:21 |
* Nocte| |
thinks he played faster than supposed because of too much Metal. :| |
| 20:21 |
Peacock |
wasn't much better at team sports lol always preferred solo stuff like cycling, running, etc. |
| 20:21 |
Nocte| |
Yeah, I sucked at music classes in school. |
| 20:22 |
Peacock |
and tbh i could take my teacher seriously with those ridiculously short gym shorts lol |
| 20:22 |
Nocte| |
Since, IT WAS DULL AND SO BORING THE TEACHERS WERE BAD. /rant. |
| 20:22 |
Peacock |
*couldn't |
| 20:22 |
Peacock |
dont bitch too much :P when i attended HS i had the same teachers my parents got, except they were near retirement |
| 20:22 |
Nocte| |
And now I'm playing guitar. I guess you can't ever tell what happens in the future. |
| 20:23 |
Nocte| |
Heh. |
| 20:23 |
Peacock |
my parents wanted me to be an engineer, but none of the engineers in my family looked like they enjoyed life or their jobs so it put me off lol |
| 20:24 |
* Calinou |
likes metal |
| 20:24 |
Nocte| |
Also I disliked the science classes because of.. Well, guess who? The teachers. Hehehehehehe. |
| 20:24 |
Calinou |
I don't play an instrument |
| 20:24 |
* paramat |
has a lifelong obsession with extreme metal |
| 20:24 |
Nocte| |
pramat, check out Warpath - Damnation. |
| 20:24 |
Nocte| |
Sounds like Thrash from 80's. |
| 20:24 |
* jin_xi |
shrieks |
| 20:25 |
jin_xi |
fuck yeah metal! |
| 20:25 |
Peacock |
i was a fan of rammstein and deftones in HS lol |
| 20:25 |
* Nocte| |
has like 18(?) albums already... Physical copies of course. |
| 20:26 |
Nocte| |
And I'm getting King of Asgard - Fi'mbulvintr tomorrow. Had to wait for it. Hehe. |
| 20:27 |
paramat |
my recent obsession is atmospheric/ambient/avantgarde black metal, from N. Europe usually |
| 20:27 |
Nocte| |
Heard of The Gathering? |
| 20:27 |
Nocte| |
Its sort of Alternative Doom-ish gothic metal I guess. |
| 20:28 |
Calinou |
is it magic? |
| 20:28 |
* Calinou |
gallops away |
| 20:28 |
Nocte| |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPjuuLKsGbM <- there. |
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* Nocte| |
stabs Calinou for a bad joke. |
| 20:28 |
* Calinou |
backstabs Nocte| |
| 20:28 |
paramat |
the gathering yes |
| 20:28 |
* Nocte| |
regenerates. |
| 20:28 |
Nocte| |
Also: Ensiferum & Amon Amarth are great. :D |
| 20:28 |
Nocte| |
Also saw Wintersun this year. |
| 20:29 |
paramat |
:) |
| 20:29 |
Peacock |
ugh, i hate concerts |
| 20:29 |
Peacock |
screaming teenie boppers everywhere lol |
| 20:29 |
Nocte| |
It was a Metal festival in the nearest town. |
| 20:30 |
Nocte| |
And nope, we didn't get those. |
| 20:30 |
Nocte| |
;) |
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| 20:30 |
Nocte| |
Actually, Rock/Metal festival. |
| 20:30 |
Peacock |
lucky, here the guys always drag their gfs |
| 20:30 |
Peacock |
plus it's getting prohibitively expensive to go |
| 20:30 |
Nocte| |
Also saw Michael Monroe and Von Hertzen Brothers. Both were great. |
| 20:31 |
Nocte| |
Ah. |
| 20:31 |
Nocte| |
We had to pay around 50€ or something for each tickets I think. |
| 20:32 |
Nocte| |
But it was worth it since that kind of stuff rarely happens around here. |
| 20:34 |
Peacock |
for 70$ i could buy another sub lol |
| 20:34 |
Peacock |
(i love how the units here are all concrete insulated) |
| 20:34 |
Nocte| |
Yeh. (Hey, its kind of middle of nowhere around me.) |
| 20:35 |
Peacock |
me too, but i chose it |
| 20:35 |
Nocte| |
Normal shows cost around 24€ in the place where the bands typically play. |
| 20:35 |
Nocte| |
(The tickets that is...) |
| 20:35 |
Peacock |
lived in two of Canada's 3 largest cities for 26 years, wanted something more quiet |
| 20:36 |
Nocte| |
Ah. |
| 20:36 |
Peacock |
too many friends of mine were getting robbed of their cellphones at knife-point in my last city |
| 20:36 |
Nocte| |
Really? That's weird. |
| 20:36 |
Peacock |
and some stupid hoods were going around shooting dogs in the backyards of people in my old neighbourhood, so i was like fuck this |
| 20:37 |
Nocte| |
And no police activity? |
| 20:37 |
Peacock |
cops where i live now don't have to go through that sensitivity training bullshit lol |
| 20:37 |
Nocte| |
'Sensitivity training' = brainwash. ;) |
| 20:37 |
Peacock |
police yeah, but what can the cops do when there are constant cries of profiling and the media eats it up? |
| 20:37 |
Peacock |
damned if they do their jobs damned if they dont |
| 20:38 |
Nocte| |
"Ooh, he's arresting a black guy! THAT'S RACIST!" <- this? |
| 20:38 |
Peacock |
i worked in a convenience store for 3 years lol and everytime i caught a hood shoplifting beer or some other shit, they were like "youre racist" and im like "because i caught you stealing?" |
| 20:39 |
Peacock |
i caught plenty of crackers too, but they didn't make a scene about it |
| 20:39 |
Nocte| |
Heh. |
| 20:40 |
Peacock |
but that's the state of policing in major cities here now |
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| 20:40 |
Nocte| |
Sounds like its as bad as Gotham City in DC universe. |
| 20:40 |
Peacock |
so id rather live where it's safe and the laws don't change depending on the colour of your skin |
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| 20:40 |
andersje |
yeah, I'd hate to live in NY |
| 20:41 |
Peacock |
you'd have to be nearly rich to really "live" there |
| 20:41 |
kahrl |
when I take a walk down some roads in some towns, dogs come running out of the houses and bark like hell is going to break loose |
| 20:41 |
andersje |
no kidding |
| 20:41 |
kahrl |
I can almost understand why people shoot them |
| 20:41 |
andersje |
the amount of money it would take me to live nicely in NY would allow me to retire in the Northern plains. |
| 20:41 |
andersje |
South Dakota is cheap to live |
| 20:42 |
andersje |
an unleashed dog is a public health problem |
| 20:42 |
andersje |
if not a public safety problem |
| 20:42 |
Peacock |
im talking about shooting pet dogs in the backyards of people for fun |
| 20:42 |
Peacock |
more to the point, it's a property crime |
| 20:43 |
Peacock |
unless you plan on trespassing into someone's backyard, the dog isn't really your concern |
| 20:44 |
Nocte| |
Hmm. |
| 20:44 |
Peacock |
speaking of NY lol : http://bigstory.ap.org/article/4-wounded-nyc-bike-path-stabbing-slashing |
| 20:44 |
Nocte| |
Sounds like Finland is safe after all. :| |
| 20:44 |
kahrl |
Peacock: unless the dog thinks its territory is larger than the backyard :P |
| 20:44 |
Peacock |
if you actually do get bit, then the authorities itself will put the dog down :P |
| 20:45 |
Peacock |
but these kids were doing it for fun |
| 20:45 |
Peacock |
its like some sort of initiation rite for street gangs here |
| 20:45 |
Peacock |
(in the absence of finding anyone to beat up) |
| 20:47 |
Nocte| |
Crazy Americans. :| |
| 20:47 |
Peacock |
this is Canada, America has it worse :P |
| 20:48 |
Peacock |
(racial-tension wise) |
| 20:48 |
Nocte| |
Yeh. |
| 20:48 |
Peacock |
crimes aren't really race based here, it's economic |
| 20:49 |
Peacock |
though street gangs is more concentrated in enclaves |
| 20:49 |
Nocte| |
Too bad the gang situation in America has gotten out of hand. |
| 20:50 |
Peacock |
though, the crackers have biker gangs and mafia, so... lol |
| 20:50 |
Peacock |
its just that the mafia and bikers operate more under the radar |
| 20:50 |
Nocte| |
Meh. |
| 20:50 |
Nocte| |
And they don't cause *that* much chaos. |
| 20:50 |
Peacock |
in TO the gangs fight their wars in public places, and there tends to collateral damage |
| 20:51 |
Nocte| |
Seems like Bikers and Mafias have higher intelligence. ;) |
| 20:51 |
Peacock |
they're just used to western policing |
| 20:51 |
Peacock |
and know who to pay off :P |
| 20:51 |
Nocte| |
= Higher intelligence. |
| 20:53 |
Peacock |
well sometimes even the mafia have collateral damage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_la_Concorde_overpass_collapse |
| 20:53 |
Peacock |
they have a hand in every construction company around here, which accounts for so much of the shoddy work done |
| 20:56 |
Nocte| |
Ah. |
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Peacock |
chunks of falling concrete from all sorts of structures in Montreal is a common occurrence :P |
| 20:57 |
Nocte| |
This is starting to sound like Cyberpunk.. |
| 20:57 |
Peacock |
cyberpunk? |
| 20:57 |
Nocte| |
Near-Future subgenre of Sci-Fi. |
| 20:57 |
Peacock |
more like those 70's dystopian movies :P |
| 20:58 |
Nocte| |
Basically everything is owned by corporations, crime rate is high. |
| 20:58 |
Nocte| |
(Corporations can sometime be total douchebags and connected with criminals.) |
| 20:58 |
Nocte| |
Cybernetics, advanced technology etc. |
| 20:59 |
Nocte| |
And economy is usually shitty. |
| 20:59 |
Peacock |
neo-Victorian lol |
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| 20:59 |
Nocte| |
Matrix has some elements of Cyberpunk for example. |
| 20:59 |
Peacock |
though i wish someone would point out a time where business didn't rule government lol |
| 21:00 |
Nocte| |
The Matrix virtual reality etc. |
| 21:00 |
kaeza |
Shadowrun is a nice example of cyberpunk |
| 21:00 |
Nocte| |
Cybernetic = robotic body parts btw. |
| 21:00 |
MinetestBot |
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| 21:01 |
Peacock |
though, for companies running the whole show, you need to look more to the past: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_India_Company |
| 21:01 |
Nocte| |
Shadowrun. Hah, if you want Fantasy Cyberpunk that is. |
| 21:01 |
kaeza |
well, yes :P |
| 21:02 |
* kaeza |
only played the videogame though; not much of a fan of pen & paper RPGs =/ |
| 21:02 |
Nocte| |
Those are the basics of Cyberpunk. TL;DR = Shitty world. |
| 21:03 |
Peacock |
Rhodesia was at first company-run too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_rule_in_Rhodesia |
| 21:04 |
Nocte| |
Ah. |
| 21:04 |
Nocte| |
Oh also: Anyone who has seen Psycho-Pass? (Good Sci-Fi anime.) |
| 21:05 |
Peacock |
the show Jericho dealt with that idea too with it's Allied States of America |
| 21:07 |
Nocte| |
But yeah. Somebody should make a cool Cyberpunk FPS game. |
| 21:07 |
Nocte| |
With a good story. |
| 21:07 |
Peacock |
my server is pretty random, but it has a custom pipes mod with steam power |
| 21:08 |
* Nocte| |
wants to play Multi. :( |
| 21:09 |
Peacock |
server's rarely up publicly these days tho, 99% of players just want to dick around and i hate babysitting lol |
| 21:09 |
Peacock |
i could code a chatbot into mobs and have more intelligent conversations than with the people that come on lol |
| 21:10 |
* Nocte| |
waves dicks around in Peacock's server. |
| 21:10 |
* Nocte| |
jokes. |
| 21:10 |
Nocte| |
But yeah, it could be fun to do a multi in a fresh, new world. |
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| 21:12 |
Nocte| |
So, anyone up for that? |
| 21:13 |
Peacock |
seems more people are increasingly thinking about whitelists lol |
| 21:14 |
kaeza |
^ |
| 21:14 |
Peacock |
making servers semi-public (or invitation only) |
| 21:14 |
Nocte| |
Invitation-only would be good. :P |
| 21:15 |
Nocte| |
It would be cool to be able to set up a private game like that. |
| 21:16 |
Peacock |
it kinda sucks for the sense of community (if there is one) since the best servers would be out of reach, but people's maturity pretty much lead to it |
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thefamilygrog66 |
< Elite Server, haha. |
| 21:19 |
Nocte| |
Is there a way to join a private game anyways? |
| 21:20 |
Peacock |
usually by invitation :P |
| 21:22 |
Nocte| |
How long does it take to dig to the deepest point? :p |
| 21:23 |
FreeFull |
I think it's about 30000 blocks you have to dig through |
| 21:23 |
ShadowNinja |
A week or so, I think. |
| 21:23 |
FreeFull |
It's much faster to teleport there |
| 21:23 |
ShadowNinja |
xiong: ^ |
| 21:23 |
FreeFull |
Or use some extreme mapgen |
| 21:26 |
* Nocte| |
generates troll map by having 90% desert. |
| 21:26 |
Nocte| |
And 10% forest. |
| 21:26 |
Nocte| |
;) |
| 21:29 |
Peacock |
practically a wasteland map :P |
| 21:29 |
Peacock |
would be even cooler if trees only grew on dirt |
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| 21:30 |
FreeFull |
Make all the forests entirely underground |
| 21:30 |
Peacock |
youd need huge caverns for that |
| 21:30 |
FreeFull |
Yeah |
| 21:30 |
FreeFull |
How about underground rivers? |
| 21:30 |
FreeFull |
And rivers in general |
| 21:30 |
Peacock |
they'd have to learn to keep the cavegen from operating over ground before getting a river gen to run underground :P |
| 21:31 |
zat |
Someone knows a player called bryn on some server? |
| 21:31 |
Peacock |
sounds familiar |
| 21:31 |
Peacock |
nope, not on my banlist |
| 21:32 |
zat |
uh |
| 21:32 |
zat |
maybe in logs? :P |
| 21:32 |
Peacock |
y whats up? |
| 21:33 |
Peacock |
(the time it takes me to load the log... lol) |
| 21:33 |
zat |
grep the log lol |
| 21:33 |
zat |
nah he just left a sign insulting the admin, me. |
| 21:34 |
zat |
for claiming something that “i did not build†|
| 21:34 |
Peacock |
tried to dig shit in my city, gave up pretty quickly |
| 21:34 |
zat |
?????? |
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| 21:37 |
Nocte| |
Hmm. |
| 21:37 |
Peacock |
your average MT player: http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/i-can-count-to-potato-meme.jpg |
| 21:37 |
Nocte| |
Morelikely 'I can count to Pot'. /joke. |
| 21:38 |
Peacock |
please, most of the kids here won't touch booze, drugs or pussy lol |
| 21:38 |
Nocte| |
Hehe. |
| 21:38 |
Nocte| |
Neither will I. |
| 21:38 |
Nocte| |
(Due to bad physical condition etc. |
| 21:38 |
Nocte| |
Wouldn't want to make it worse.) |
| 21:39 |
Peacock |
oh heck my heart stopped when i was 18, i still do it lol |
| 21:39 |
* Nocte| |
pokes Peacock to multi. :< |
| 21:39 |
Nocte| |
:|* |
| 21:40 |
Peacock |
not running hte server right now |
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| 21:40 |
Peacock |
putting off cleaning, essentially lol |
| 21:41 |
Nocte| |
Start a new server? :p |
| 21:42 |
Peacock |
naw, cuz then i'd have to ban every other retard that signs on |
| 21:43 |
Nocte| |
Is it possible for me to start a private server? |
| 21:43 |
Nocte| |
And does it make the connection laggy? |
| 21:43 |
Peacock |
AP - Government shutdown latest: -Gettysburg KKK rally canceled |
| 21:43 |
Peacock |
didn't know they were funded by the fed lol |
| 21:44 |
Nocte| |
Wait whut, somebody did something about the KKK stuff going on? |
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| 21:44 |
Nocte| |
Haha. |
| 21:44 |
Peacock |
im trying to figure out how it's related to the gov't shutdown lol |
| 21:48 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: sush |
| 21:49 |
Peacock |
exio blow me |
| 21:49 |
Exio4 |
i don't like beer tho |
| 21:49 |
Exio4 |
vodka > beer |
| 21:51 |
Peacock |
damnit, im gonna have to have a talk with the fat cow upstairs, every time she empties a bucket of bleach on her balcony, it comes down on my windows |
| 21:51 |
Nocte| |
Ouch. |
| 21:51 |
* Nocte| |
pokes somebody to Multi. :( |
| 21:55 |
Peacock |
i dont know how she does, i get the impression she moves furniture at night, though it might just be her walking about her apartment lol |
| 21:55 |
Peacock |
saw her waddling down the street once, omg lol |
| 22:03 |
Peacock |
windows clean, that shit smells nasty |
| 22:03 |
Nocte| |
Anyone else who reads Creepypasta btw? |
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| 22:08 |
Peacock |
lol it's always the people you don't want to see topless: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/topless-protest-against-pq-values-charter-inside-legislature-1.1875209 |
| 22:10 |
Nocte| |
'pq'? |
| 22:10 |
Peacock |
Parti Quebecois |
| 22:10 |
Peacock |
our separatist party |
| 22:10 |
Naked |
are you mauvebic? |
| 22:10 |
Peacock |
course |
| 22:11 |
Naked |
been wondering for a loong time why the name change |
| 22:11 |
Peacock |
cuz i was away from MT for a while and made the mistake of registering the last nick lol |
| 22:11 |
Naked |
ohh |
| 22:11 |
Peacock |
this one's registered too, but i wrote down the password this time lol |
| 22:12 |
Naked |
well I am maybe 3/4 or 2.5/4 through star trek tng |
| 22:12 |
Peacock |
oh god hope you skipped the first two seasons, theyre bad lol |
| 22:12 |
Naked |
finally got through the first season |
| 22:12 |
Naked |
no skipping but I painfuly finished them |
| 22:12 |
Peacock |
so you saw the gay planet? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wCHPPKWOuPw/UAbloYQnOjI/AAAAAAAAAWg/uN4LrHr0PI0/s1600/justice+kids.jpg |
| 22:13 |
Naked |
ohh that one |
| 22:13 |
Naked |
yeah |
| 22:13 |
Nocte| |
Lol, what's this gay stuff? :| |
| 22:13 |
Peacock |
look at the pic :P |
| 22:13 |
* Nocte| |
doesn't want to ruin his eyes. ;) |
| 22:13 |
Naked |
its the everyone has sex with everyone 24/7 all the time planet |
| 22:14 |
Naked |
and where "kids" have a full hairy chest |
| 22:14 |
Nocte| |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFpJKOngQoU <- also this. Awesome, awesome song. |
| 22:14 |
Naked |
my favorite race are the Q |
| 22:14 |
Peacock |
everyone had a hairy chest in the 80s lol |
| 22:15 |
Naked |
and I noticed how Number 1 or Ryker never sits like a human |
| 22:16 |
Nocte| |
Hah, talk about hairy people? I got hairy arms already and I need to keep my facial hair down once a week in order to not grow a beard. And I'm 18. :| |
| 22:16 |
Nocte| |
Talk about worst luck. |
| 22:17 |
Naked |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVIGhYMwRgs |
| 22:17 |
Naked |
how commander ryker sits down |
| 22:18 |
Peacock |
meh, i could shave every day, and id still have a five o clock shadow at noon, so i just keep the beard trimmed instead lol |
| 22:18 |
deltib |
I never noticed this untill it was pointed out |
| 22:18 |
Naked |
after so much star trek I can say that I hate the future earth of that series |
| 22:18 |
Nocte| |
Naked, that must've been a running gag with the writers. |
| 22:18 |
Peacock |
naked well of course, its a communist nightmare |
| 22:19 |
Peacock |
they have replicators but insist on all wearing the same shit and decorating their homes exactly the same |
| 22:19 |
Naked |
yeah |
| 22:19 |
Nocte| |
Why do people like Star Trek again? (It seem soooo dull and slow.) |
| 22:19 |
Nocte| |
Seems* |
| 22:19 |
Nocte| |
Damnit. |
| 22:19 |
Peacock |
but hell spandex rarely looks good on a fit person, so never mind someone in their 40s |
| 22:19 |
Naked |
when they show the Starfleet clothing of 20 years in the past I prefer that uniform to the crappy shit they were now |
| 22:20 |
Peacock |
the old red uniforms were the best yeah |
| 22:20 |
Peacock |
reminded me of BSG uniforms |
| 22:20 |
Peacock |
later TNG was good, lots of fucked sciency shit |
| 22:20 |
Peacock |
DS9 was pretty dark |
| 22:20 |
Nocte| |
And didn't the red shirts die a lot or have I been told something wrong? |
| 22:20 |
Naked |
and betazoids are too OP |
| 22:20 |
Peacock |
VOY was a rehash of the previous two series |
| 22:20 |
Peacock |
and ENT was a joke |
| 22:21 |
deltib |
there was an episode of TOS where the away team beamed down to a planet with two redshirts...and they BOTH lived |
| 22:21 |
Naked |
Troi can feel the emotions of a person touhsands of kilometers or hundreds of kilometers from her |
| 22:21 |
Peacock |
Troi was there for the tits |
| 22:22 |
Peacock |
the uniforms she wore pretty much gave that away |
| 22:22 |
Peacock |
same for Seven of Nine, subjunction double-D |
| 22:22 |
Naked |
she talks weird |
| 22:23 |
Peacock |
she's a flake |
| 22:23 |
Nocte| |
Wait, TWO surviving red shirts!? |
| 22:23 |
Nocte| |
That's WRONG! |
| 22:23 |
Nocte| |
The writers were high. |
| 22:24 |
Nocte| |
Also: The best 'let's play' of a game, http://spoonyexperiment.com/category/lets-play/swat-4/ |
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paramat |
hmmmm, i'm attempting to write the vmanip version of paragen lua mapgen mod. So i'm using 'local vi = area:index(x, y, z)' as the index of the voxelarea, can i use the same index 'vi' for 'nvals[vi]' to get the perlin noise for that node from a 3D flat perlin map? |
| 22:31 |
hmmmm |
the answer would be 'yes', if, and ONLY if, area:index(0, 0, 0) == 1 |
| 22:34 |
hmmmm |
that isn't likely to be the case however |
| 22:35 |
paramat |
thanks :) |
| 22:35 |
hmmmm |
err, rather, nevermind that. just ignore what I said. |
| 22:35 |
paramat |
ok ha |
| 22:35 |
hmmmm |
in order to find the index in the array of the flat noise map you have to calculate it in the same way that voxelarea calculates that |
| 22:36 |
hmmmm |
the reason why I'm able to just keep adding one in my mapgen example is because I only iterate through the area that's the dimensions of the noise buffer |
| 22:36 |
hmmmm |
unit stride |
| 22:36 |
paramat |
yes |
| 22:37 |
paramat |
i work through columns and then down each column |
| 22:37 |
Nocte| |
How can I make a custom gen map? |
| 22:37 |
hmmmm |
so basically, what I mean to say, is that MinArea and MaxArea of the VoxelArea would need to be the position passed along to get3d_flat(), and that same position + the size |
| 22:38 |
hmmmm |
in order to use the same index for both |
| 22:38 |
paramat |
ok |
| 22:38 |
hmmmm |
in other words, don't use the same index |
| 22:39 |
paramat |
'local ni = area:index(x, y, z)' not sure this will work |
| 22:39 |
paramat |
sirry can't test it, writing it blind in 0.4.7 :) |
| 22:39 |
hmmmm |
that won't work |
| 22:39 |
hmmmm |
why don't you keep a delta version handy? |
| 22:40 |
paramat |
delta? i am a bad programmer |
| 22:40 |
hmmmm |
erm, what you could do I guess is have another VoxelArea for the volume of noise you created |
| 22:41 |
hmmmm |
i'm really sorry about all this mess, but the voxelmanip and related functions are designed to be fast, not user friendly |
| 22:41 |
paramat |
no problem, i'm extremely grateful for it, and prefer it to be close to core. Thank you for your work :) |
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| 22:42 |
paramat |
LVM will make my mapgens practical, although perhaps not fast enough for a server |
| 22:42 |
hmmmm |
they'll be plenty fast for a server |
| 22:43 |
Peacock |
maybe a simpler version of paragen for servers would do the trick? |
| 22:43 |
hmmmm |
also I will remind you that you can make your own mapgen in the core, we would merge that no problem because your work is great |
| 22:44 |
Nocte| |
So.. Any mods that allow world creation manipulation? |
| 22:44 |
Peacock |
well instead of hardcoding mapgens for all his different mods, why not 1 mapgen objects he can use for all? |
| 22:44 |
Peacock |
*object |
| 22:44 |
paramat |
:) |
| 22:44 |
hmmmm |
so I didn't code at all at work today |
| 22:44 |
hmmmm |
i think i'm going to hack some minetest |
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| 22:45 |
Peacock |
hackin's always fun :-) |
| 22:45 |
xiong |
ShadowNinja, if you're thinking about restricting players then I suggest you /join ##athens. We're talking about a jointly-owned server -- not bossed by one person -- the server paid for by property taxes on ingame land claims, paid for in Real Life Cash. The per-citizen burden should be very light; but the server well funded. |
| 22:46 |
Peacock |
doubt people will put real money on servers :P |
| 22:46 |
Peacock |
if they could, they'd have bought MC in the first place |
| 22:46 |
hmmmm |
erm, paramat, just to say it clearly once and for all: |
| 22:47 |
hmmmm |
what I meant to say before is that, in order to be able to share the same index between the noise buffer and the voxelarea, it must be the case that emin == minp and emax == maxp |
| 22:48 |
hmmmm |
but with the way on_generated works, that's never the case |
| 22:48 |
Peacock |
on_gen ain't the best thing for map generation, ores yeah, but not whole terrains :/ |
| 22:49 |
Peacock |
i wish i could use paramat's mods on my server, but ongen kills it |
| 22:49 |
paramat |
ongen is the best way surely :) |
| 22:49 |
Peacock |
the only way right now yeah |
| 22:49 |
Peacock |
but thats why i suggest harnessing the engine's mapgen instead :-) |
| 22:50 |
Peacock |
would make multi-realm maps easy as pie |
| 22:50 |
Peacock |
apple pie, even |
| 22:50 |
paramat |
yep i even thought of adding biomes to MGV7's stone |
| 22:51 |
Peacock |
theres been alot of chat about biomes in the last few days |
| 22:51 |
Peacock |
savannah, plains, plateaux, valleys |
| 22:51 |
Peacock |
would blow mgv6 out of the water :-) |
| 22:53 |
* Nocte| |
wants Minetest world generator. :| |
| 22:53 |
Peacock |
not sure how mountains could be done, right now they look rather conic/stretched-sphere |
| 22:54 |
* Nocte| |
wants peopl to create some crazy stuff in Minetest. |
| 22:54 |
Nocte| |
People* |
| 22:54 |
paramat |
pure 3D noise mountains in my mods look good, the stretched look is due to using an exponential height thing |
| 22:55 |
paramat |
... which i haven't used yet |
| 22:58 |
paramat |
so ... 'index(x, y, z) ^ useful for things like VoxelManip, raw Schematic specifiers, PerlinNoiseMap:get2d/3dMap'. Anyone know how i get the noise index for a flat 3D perlin map? |
| 22:59 |
Peacock |
i suck at noise lol |
| 22:59 |
paramat |
heehee suck at noise |
| 23:00 |
Nocte| |
So, is there anything that would do world gen with you setting the percentages to the basic stuff. (Forest, Desert, Land, Water.) Then hit generate? |
| 23:03 |
paramat |
the new perlin noise map stuff will speed up paragen, just a few more hours work |
| 23:03 |
paramat |
Nocte, you can set the rarity of deserts i think in minetest.conf |
| 23:04 |
Nocte| |
Whoa. o.o I just spawned next to forest with trees with apples. :D |
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xiong |
Why does some hoed dirt look wetter than others under similar conditions? |
| 23:08 |
* paramat |
thanks his mapgen guru hm-mm |
| 23:08 |
Nocte| |
Lol, I foun floating land. |
| 23:13 |
paramat |
btw captain p, 'mg' lua mapgen by N. is very different code to paragen, he just has the same 2D biome system of temp and humidity and 4 thresholds dividing that square into 9 |
| 23:27 |
Nocte| |
Ugh... Typoing without noticing. :| |
| 23:30 |
paramat |
indeed, my 'sirry' above was actually a 'sorry' :} |
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Nocte| |
Hmm. Do any of you guys watch horror movies? :p |
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xiong |
Not usually, Nocte|; I think most aren't well done. |
| 23:43 |
Nocte| |
Yeh. |
| 23:43 |
Nocte| |
I'm trying to look for one that's perfect in the atmosphere and psychological treat like the Twilight Zone episodes. |
| 23:43 |
xiong |
Some of the classics are very good; but most are just a bit silly. It's hard to convince me that Satan has spawned an invulnerable, bloodthirsty idiot who has evaded detection and capture by the police for decades... or centuries. |
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Nocte| |
Hehe... |
| 23:44 |
Nocte| |
That sounds like B movie stuff. |
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xiong |
The archetype of the horror film is the battle between abstract Good and Evil; and if the story is faithful to the archetype then there are no surprises; if it is not, it is a mockery. |
| 23:44 |
Nocte| |
Except when its Lovecraft. |
| 23:44 |
Nocte| |
;) |
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* us_0gb |
doesn't believe in good or evil |
| 23:45 |
xiong |
Therefore the villain can never be killed because Evil cannot be destroyed, only set at bay temporarily; therefore Evil always is defeated eventually; and therefore the only survivor is the (virtuous) virgin, while the (lustful) girl who gives the film its R is always the first to die. |
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Nocte| |
Hah. |
| 23:46 |
Nocte| |
Or the 'Black guy always die first' applies. |
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xiong |
Well, in that context, being black is almost as bad as smoking pot. |
| 23:47 |
Nocte| |
Hehe, I could imagine dialogue with two black guys who are aware they are in a horror movie: "So, which one of us dies first?" |
| 23:47 |
xiong |
Really, in that genre, no male protagonist can survive. |
| 23:48 |
Nocte| |
Hmm... |
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xiong |
Between Zombieland and Shawn of the Dead, I don't think there's anything more to say in horror. |
| 23:48 |
Nocte| |
I'm talking about more of the psychological horror stuff. |
| 23:48 |
Nocte| |
Zombie Land was funny. |
| 23:49 |
xiong |
'Zombieland', one word. |
| 23:49 |
xiong |
Oh well. I'd call that 'suspense' and shovel a lot of films into that box. |
| 23:49 |
xiong |
A lot of those I enjoy, too. |
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Nocte| |
Ever saw Supernatural? |
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Nocte| |
(The TV show.) |
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xiong |
I own a teevee but I have not plugged it in, in the last five years. |
| 23:51 |
Nocte| |
I watched it online. ;) |
| 23:51 |
Nocte| |
Its quite good if you like 'Monster of the Week' type shows. |
| 23:51 |
xiong |
I recoil in horror from any modern tale involving the word 'supernatural'. Such stuff is less well behaved than unicorn stuff. |
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Nocte| |
With monster hunters as the main characters. |
| 23:52 |
Evergreen |
How on earth did we start talking about steam punk on this topic: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=112852#p112852 |
| 23:52 |
Nocte| |
xiong, its sort of Comedy, Fantasy and Horror. |
| 23:52 |
xiong |
Why won't my cotton grow? |
| 23:52 |
Nocte| |
And the comedy is... Weird. |
| 23:53 |
Nocte| |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDV22CVE9sE <- example of the humor. |
| 23:53 |
Nocte| |
That happened after the episode. |
| 23:54 |
xiong |
Um, you don't seem receptive to the thought that I'm able to live without teevee. |
| 23:54 |
Nocte| |
You can buy it on DVD. :| |
| 23:54 |
Nocte| |
Or Blu-ray whatever. |
| 23:55 |
Nocte| |
Oh well, you are missing out stuff. |
| 23:55 |
paramat |
'suck at noise' is a good name for a metal band heh |
| 23:55 |
xiong |
I can buy whiskey in a small glass bottle, a tiny glass bottle, a large glass bottle, a huge glass bottle, a large drinking glass, a small shot glass, a Mason jar, a plastic squeeze bulb, and, I don't doubt, in a half coconut. |
| 23:55 |
xiong |
But I don't drink that stuff, sorry. |
| 23:56 |
Peacock |
'suck at noise' is a good name for a metal band heh |
| 23:56 |
Peacock |
true that lol |
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Nocte| |
Some good stuff that aired in recent years: Heroes BBC, Sherlock and Supernatural. |
| 23:56 |
Peacock |
sorry but BBC series have sucked for quite a while :P |
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kaeza |
yarr mateys! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=112872#p112872 |
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Peacock |
Dr. Who : daleks daleks daleks |
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Nocte| |
Heroes is early as 2004/2005 if I remember right. |
| 23:57 |
Peacock |
Atlantis: shitty sets and props |
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xiong |
Maybe if you didn't watch so much teevee, you could tell me why my cotton isn't growing. |
| 23:57 |
Peacock |
in the 70's and 80's BBC made alot of good stuff |
| 23:57 |
Nocte| |
I don't watch a lot of TV myself either. |
| 23:57 |
Nocte| |
Peacock, anything horror related? |
| 23:58 |
Peacock |
Hannibal tv is due to startup again |
| 23:58 |
Nocte| |
Meh. |
| 23:58 |
Nocte| |
Not much into gore stuff. |
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Naked |
the first season was good |
| 23:58 |
Peacock |
what horror isn't gorish? |
| 23:58 |
Nocte| |
Twilight Zone+ |
| 23:58 |
Nocte| |
?* |
| 23:59 |
Nocte| |
Also: Only reason I don't mind gore in the Supernatural stuff is because I got used to it during the show and it wasn't always full of gore. |
| 23:59 |
Peacock |
though judging from reactions here last time, too many guys were afraid to pee in their dresses to watch Hannibal movies |
| 23:59 |
Peacock |
so maybe my kind of horror is too intense lol |
