IRC log for #minetest, 2013-09-07

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Time	Nick	Message
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00:40	yyamiyyugi	Hello, This question may be dumb, but I was looking at a mod and it said it requires "farming (minetest)
00:41	yyamiyyugi	*" is that a seperate mod or somthing?
00:41	yyamiyyugi	^^hit enter before I finished typing
00:44	ShadowNinja	yyamiyyugi: Farming is in the default game now.
00:44	ShadowNinja	Not sure if it is in stable.
00:46	PilzAdam	ShadowNinja, it is in 0.4.7
00:48	yyamiyyugi	ok, Also I have ran into a couple mods where it failes to load and run the "init.lua" file for the mod, is this a common problem?
00:49	yyamiyyugi	*fails
00:49	PilzAdam	yyamiyyugi, look at debug.txt
00:49	PilzAdam	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5073
00:49	Exio4	night
00:51	yyamiyyugi	The Debug says the same thing as the console?
00:51	ShadowNinja	yyamiyyugi: If you are running 0.4.7 a number of mods require a recent dev version as it has been a while since the last release. Or your modders are lazy and don't test their code before pushing it.
00:51	yyamiyyugi	oh, so I need to look for an older version then?
00:52	Exio4	newer
00:52	PilzAdam	yyamiyyugi, there are thousands of reasons why a mod would fail to load and run
00:52	PilzAdam	the mod authors need the info from debug.txt to find and fix the possible bug
00:54	yyamiyyugi	so post on the bugs and problems or the mod post?
00:55	PilzAdam	the mod topic
00:55	yyamiyyugi	ok, will do
00:55	yyamiyyugi	Thanks
00:55	VanessaE	bbl
00:57	yyamiyyugi	oh XD PilzAdam It's your nether mod that i'm having the problem with
00:57	PilzAdam	then you can use pastebin and give me the link here
00:57	yyamiyyugi	ok one sec
00:58	yyamiyyugi	http://pastebin.com/gHhYTbWB
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00:58	yyamiyyugi	thats what it says in the Debug/console
00:58	PilzAdam	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6450
01:00	yyamiyyugi	so a folder is named incorrectly?
01:00	PilzAdam	yes, the mod folder needs to be called "nether"
01:01	yyamiyyugi	wow, I feel stupid
01:01	yyamiyyugi	Thank you again for the help
01:09	khonkhortisan	How do I escape a singlequote in markdown?
01:13	khonkhortisan	meh I read it already
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01:23	Peacock	finally, got the whipped cream, the car battery, and cheese grater :D
01:24	proller	khonkhortisan, please rebase vertical_particles
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01:43	PilzAdam	bye
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01:44	hoodedice	Hey
01:44	hoodedice	In my whois on irc
01:44	hoodedice	How do I hide my IP that shows up after the @
01:59	ShadowNinja	hoodedice: Get a cloak or use tor.
02:00	hoodedice	Mortal language?
02:00	yyamiyyugi	so a server has to have the mods not the client?
02:00	hoodedice	I know tor, but what is this strange contraption called 'cloak'?
02:00	ShadowNinja	If you use a cloak make sure you use SASL.
02:00	ShadowNinja	A cloak is also known as a VHOST or Virtual Host.
02:01	ShadowNinja	A fake host/ip.
02:01	hoodedice	Oh that !
02:02	hoodedice	Talk about it to someone who's lived in the UAE, when Skype was banned
02:03	hoodedice	Well, I found it on freenode, guess it's the same thing you did
02:05	khonkhortisan	mods are loaded by the server
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02:06	hoodedice	So...
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02:49	leo_rockway	hoodedice: you can get a generic cloak. Ask in... #freenode I believe.
02:49	leo_rockway	mine is "unaffiliated"
02:49	hoodedice	Doing that
02:49	leo_rockway	cloaks are usually used for projects.
02:49	hoodedice	I'm at freenode, but there are no staffers around
02:49	leo_rockway	it's Friday night. They're probably getting drunk o.o
02:50	hoodedice	lol
02:55	khonkhortisan	if I wore an affiliated cloak I would be advertising in other channels
02:56	khonkhortisan	rebasing vertical particles, I got the player name as the texture
02:57	khonkhortisan	ah, just a missing argument
03:00	leo_rockway	I've been trying MC lately. There's not a lot of stuff I miss when going back to MT. I do miss the responsiveness of MT when playing MC, though.
03:01	hoodedice	...
03:01	leo_rockway	mobs, running and water pushing the player. Those would be the features i miss.
03:01	khonkhortisan	responsiveness is a good thing
03:01	hoodedice	Thy shalt not play Minecrap
03:01	leo_rockway	I have to play with "short" rendering distance in MC
03:01	khonkhortisan	How don't we have running?
03:01	leo_rockway	I can see everything the light touches, it's our kingdom in MT.
03:02	leo_rockway	khonkhortisan: we have "running" privilege.
03:02	hoodedice	Press j or k
03:02	leo_rockway	which is off by default.
03:02	hoodedice	Walk with e pressed
03:02	leo_rockway	and it doesn't have a pretty FOV o.o
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03:02	khonkhortisan	Which program is running missing from?
03:02	hoodedice	?
03:02	hoodedice	SWAT 4 doesnt have running
03:02	leo_rockway	just comparing the running feature from MC and MT. I like the way MC does it better.
03:03	khonkhortisan	ah, I thought it was the other way
03:03	hoodedice	Ofc, when we reach 1.0.0
03:03	hoodedice	We'll be better than MC
03:03	leo_rockway	yes, MT is WAY better with responsiveness
03:03	hoodedice	*When we*
03:03	leo_rockway	which matters more to me.
03:03	leo_rockway	I'm just anxious >.<
03:03	leo_rockway	I really want mobs. I play survival. Not much to do in survival in MT right now.
03:03	hoodedice	v7 is already a better mapgen (citation needed)
03:04	khonkhortisan	I really want a cross-server worldedit, I play creative mesecnos.
03:04	leo_rockway	I like MT mapgen. I have no complaints there.
03:04	hoodedice	C++ is already a better codebase
03:04	leo_rockway	mhm
03:04	leo_rockway	I dislike Java.
03:04	khonkhortisan	I dislike svn.
03:04	hoodedice	And lua is already a non-hacky simple to use awesomeness redefined modding lingo
03:05	leo_rockway	I just want mobs already :S
03:05	khonkhortisan	lua is missing the C++ 3d math
03:05	hoodedice	brb
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03:06	hoodedice	back
03:06	hoodedice	YAAAAY !! I got cloaked !
03:06	leo_rockway	indeed
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03:07	hoodedice	So I can change nicks and bug people now *Muhahahaha*
03:07	hoodedice	Sup, Pea?
03:07	Peacock	wifi interference lol
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03:09	khonkhortisan	You joined as your ip, then as your cloak, then as your cloak.
03:09	Peacock	who me?
03:09	khonkhortisan	hood
03:09	khonkhortisan	one join late on noticing the cloak
03:10	Peacock	wifi analyzer says best channel 14, but the router only goes up to 12 :(
03:10	hoodedice	ooh
03:11	hoodedice	I miss shawarma *Sob*
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03:14	leo_rockway	oh, I definitely miss shift+click when crafting stuff. I like that feature from MC.
03:14	Peacock	dont know who this BELL738 fella is, but i'll have to get Worf to find him and kill him XD
03:14	Peacock	honor is at stake
03:15	Peacock	there are like 4 networks on the same channel lol reception must be greeeat
03:16	hoodedice	Someone hacked your wifi?
03:16	Peacock	not hacked, just too much interference from too many near networks
03:17	Peacock	whats a good wifi analyzer for linux?
03:19	leo_rockway	wireshark o.o
03:19	leo_rockway	but that's probably not what you're looking for
03:20	Peacock	well i need something better than android's, it keeps recommending a different "best channel" on every scan lol
03:22	leo_rockway	swscanner, maybe
03:22	leo_rockway	but that might be more for wardriving.
03:22	leo_rockway	and I never used it
03:25	khonkhortisan	I saw one that had an arc for each signal
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03:47	hoodedice	I just wanted to make an icon pack
03:47	hoodedice	Never knew it was so much work to just set up !
03:47	us|0gb	I didn't even know Minetest had icon packs. Are those new?
03:50	hoodedice	Offtopic : Android dev
03:55	us|0gb	SO you're making an Android icon pack? That sounds cool.
03:55	us|0gb	*So
04:01	Peacock	smartphones suck :p
04:05	khonkhortisan	dumbphones blow :b
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04:08	us|0gb	I like land line phones myself.
04:09	Peacock	3 years of android and im ready to go back to dumbphones lol
04:12	Peacock	no wonder my wifi sucks, some douche is operating a hotspot in the pub downstairs
04:13	Peacock	(same channel)
04:14	[0gb_us]	Oh, that's fun.
04:14	Peacock	well im using his/her's now, had an easier time connecting to that one lol
04:14	[0gb_us]	More powerful signal?
04:16	Peacock	guess so, my router's not the most expensive model lol got it on sale for 20$
04:17	Peacock	bought it for my last employer actually, but they never reimbursed me so i left with it lol
04:18	[0gb_us]	Did they use it while you were there?
04:19	Peacock	store needed one - though considering i was still missing my christmas pay 3 months after the holidays, i didn't trust them to pay me back for the router either lol
04:22	hoodedice	Not my icons
04:22	hoodedice	Just making the apk
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04:44	hoodedice	I now understand.
04:45	hoodedice	If an application takes too long to load, even on ubuntu
04:45	hoodedice	It's high time you switch to an SSD
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05:16	nore	hi all
05:17	khonkhortisan	hello
05:17	OldCoder	Hi
05:17	VanessaE	hi
05:17	khonkhortisan	rebasing a branch to master is much easier when the branch only has one extra commit
05:26	* OldCoder	will attempt to build the new MT shortly
05:27	VanessaE	OldCoder: it'll build just fine, whether that leveldb patch still works, idk :)
05:29	OldCoder	We shall see soon
05:36	nore	I didn't understand what is leveldb for?
05:38	VanessaE	nore:  a more robust database backend than what we use now (sqlite)
05:38	nore	when you say more robust, you mean, not limited by map size?
05:38	OldCoder	nore, Hi...
05:38	OldCoder	nore, Yes
05:38	VanessaE	less prone to errors, faster
05:38	nore	hi OldCoder
05:38	OldCoder	It removes the 4GB limit and is faster and has less corruption
05:39	OldCoder	nore o/
05:39	VanessaE	OldCoder: recall it isn't so much a limit as a point at which glitches are likely
05:39	VanessaE	(the effect is the same though)
05:39	nore	and why is it so complicated?
05:40	VanessaE	nore: it isn't.  the patch for it sat around forever before anyone decided to give it sufficient attention, now it has to be rebased
05:40	sfan5	khonkhortisan: it dependson the size of the commit
05:40	VanessaE	nore: same old story really
05:40	sfan5	hi everone
05:40	sfan5	*everyone
05:40	VanessaE	hey sfan
05:40	nore	moreover, it doesn't work on all OSs does it?
05:40	OldCoder	sfan5, Hi
05:40	nore	hi sfan5
05:40	OldCoder	nore, You are corret
05:40	OldCoder	correct *
05:40	OldCoder	I will convert my worlds to SQLite3 for export to Windows
05:40	OldCoder	But the home base ought to be scalable and reliable
05:41	nore	You read in my mind ;) You answered to question I was going to ask
05:41	OldCoder	Very well
05:42	OldCoder	sfan5, You asked me a question earlier... I had to go into several hours of meetings... There is a well-known MT network problem that makes media load at a crawl. Therefore people hate Ambience. But some think it is good.
05:43	VanessaE	OldCoder: kahrl is working on that.  http_fetch
05:43	Peacock	switch to midi music :p
05:43	OldCoder	Peacock, VanessaE thanks
05:43	sfan5	thats not an MT network problem, but try remote_media
05:43	OldCoder	* sfan5 suggests mesecons and worldedit rights for approved people
05:43	sfan5	Peacock: minetest can't read midi
05:43	OldCoder	All right ^ sfan5
05:43	VanessaE	sfan5: remote_media in its current state is unreliable.
05:44	sfan5	VanessaE: I know..
05:44	kahrl	yeah httpfetch includes lots of improvements to remote_media support
05:44	OldCoder	sfan5, It is said to be a MT problem; in fact C55 and I discussed solutions. But thank you.
05:44	Peacock	personally i dont like background music, the more you play, the more redundant it gets
05:44	kahrl	it doesn't change the minetest protocol based media fetch at all
05:44	OldCoder	Peacock, I will provide worlds of both types
05:44	sfan5	even if its unreliable it is faster
05:44	OldCoder	And there ought to be an option to turn it on or off
05:44	VanessaE	sfan5: no, I mean completely unreliable - as in texture files get lost, too
05:45	sfan5	OldCoder: ..forget  the "thats not an MT network problem, but " part
05:45	Peacock	you could turn off music with a chat cmd and a simple table[user], though everyone still downloads the songs
05:46	kahrl	there are games that don't have a set soundtrack but actual streaming radio
05:47	OldCoder	git://github.com/minebest/minetest.git
05:47	OldCoder	Will this get me LevelDB now?
05:47	kahrl	I mean the DJs still keep playing the same music but they wouldn't have to :P
05:47	OldCoder	Yep
05:47	Peacock	well, when i play i either got tv or music playing on the other computer, though that doesn't need to be builtin to mt
05:48	OldCoder	Shall I git clone the standard repo?
05:48	kahrl	yeah you could just run a VLC in background
05:48	OldCoder	Ambience has sound effects
05:48	OldCoder	Not just music
05:49	Peacock	id say keep the sound effects, toss the music, much lighter that way
05:49	OldCoder	Possible
05:49	sfan5	OldCoder: "git://github.com/sfan5/minetest" "git checkout leveldb"
05:49	OldCoder	sfan5, proceeding t y
05:49	OldCoder	I know you posted the link before; thanks for reposting
05:49	Peacock	if leveldb gets merged, what happens to old worlds, will there be a converter, or theyll both be supported?
05:50	OldCoder	Peacock, Both SQLite3 and LevelDB are supported but I convert SQLite3 worlds
05:50	OldCoder	And I convert them back when people wish copies
05:50	Peacock	is that easy to do?
05:51	OldCoder	Pretty easy
05:51	OldCoder	Slow but simple
05:52	OldCoder	sfan5, I did the two commands; 2nd one in the minetest folder created by the first
05:52	OldCoder	Do I need to do something else to pull the branch?
05:52	sfan5	OldCoder: what does the first line of "git status" say?
05:53	OldCoder	# on branch leveldb
05:53	sfan5	perfect
05:53	sfan5	if "stat src/leveldb" succeeds everything is right
05:53	OldCoder	The sources came in with the initial clone?
05:53	OldCoder	Checking
05:53	sfan5	yes
05:53	OldCoder	The folder is there
05:54	OldCoder	I shall attempt the build now; excuse me
05:54	sfan5	don't forget "-DENABLE_LEVELDB=1" when building
05:54	OldCoder	Yes
05:54	OldCoder	I will indicate problems. bbiab.
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06:07	VanessaE	can someone tell me why I don't follow hackaday?  there's some really cool shit on this site.
06:07	* VanessaE	just watched a few-years-old video of a guy making his own vacuum tubes.
06:07	[0gb_us]	Maybe because you are too busy?
06:08	Peacock	im watching news bloopers lol
06:08	OldCoder	Compiled MT... I assume I need to clone the latest MT "game"
06:08	VanessaE	yes
06:08	[0gb_us]	I just compiled too for an experiment. Which failed, by the way.
06:09	VanessaE	but get my game ( http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/VanessaE_Game.tar.bz2 ) and make this tweak:   https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=99717#p99717   ..if you really wanna stress-test it :D
06:09	VanessaE	(recommend a value of 0x7fff for the tweak)
06:10	OldCoder	VanessaE, Is your game generic? I will add it later
06:10	VanessaE	OldCoder: definitely not
06:10	OldCoder	Wait then
06:10	VanessaE	it's quite full-features, though it lacks any sort of "direction" as others here might define it
06:11	OldCoder	Why is minetest_game only 16KB?
06:11	VanessaE	I get 5.3M for the whole repo
06:11	VanessaE	(including all of the history)
06:12	OldCoder	Why is minetest_game only 16KB?
06:12	OldCoder	Is this correct?
06:12	VanessaE	about 3M without the history, so no
06:12	VanessaE	no clue why unless you didn't clone it right?
06:13	OldCoder	It unzips fine
06:14	VanessaE	ehm
06:14	VanessaE	I never use the zip
06:14	OldCoder	I wgetted the C55 master ZIP
06:14	[0gb_us]	I usually wget the .tar.gz.
06:14	OldCoder	Link?
06:14	VanessaE	oh no
06:14	VanessaE	not the c55 one.
06:14	OldCoder	Comment further
06:14	VanessaE	https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game
06:14	VanessaE	this one.
06:14	OldCoder	Wait then
06:15	VanessaE	(and this one for the main repo, https://github.com/minetest/minetest )
06:15	OldCoder	sfan indicated use his one
06:15	VanessaE	c55's isn't the master repo anymore
06:16	OldCoder	ZIP is now 1MB
06:16	[0gb_us]	Do you know where air, ignore, and unknown are defined? The stuff in nodedef.cpp seems to not be the real definition.
06:16	nore	[0gb_us], in misc_register.lua, IIRC
06:17	[0gb_us]	The stuff in the lua isn't it either, and it points me at the C++.
06:17	VanessaE	OldCoder: 1MB sounds better
06:17	OldCoder	Working on this
06:17	OldCoder	I assume all the mods will break
06:17	[0gb_us]	If I overwrite the stuff in Lua, the server ignores most of it.
06:17	nore	there is minetest.register_node(":ignore",...)
06:17	nore	etc
06:18	sfan5	OldCoder: are you using sfan5/minetest and minetest/minetest_game ?
06:18	OldCoder	Yes
06:18	[0gb_us]	I tried that. That isn't it. If I change those definitions in that Lua file, the game ignores my changes.
06:18	nore	what did you try to change?
06:19	[0gb_us]	I tried making ignore walkable and visible, as well as a few other things I forget.
06:19	[0gb_us]	I did the same to air as a test, still no dice.
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06:20	nore	/ Don't allow redefining ignore (but allow air and unknown)
06:20	nore	This is a comment in nodedef.cpp
06:21	[0gb_us]	As in it doesn't allow redefining from Lua, right? But I also tried redefining in nodedef.cpp. If the original data is in that file, it should have worked.
06:22	nore	And modifying both?
06:22	[0gb_us]	Yeah.
06:24	sfan5	would an 8x8 grid for 8 bytes memory using mesecons be compact?
06:24	nore	look at itemdef.cpp
06:24	[0gb_us]	I'm looking at that file right now.
06:25	nore	sfan5, do you mean 8x8 horizontally?
06:25	sfan5	yes
06:25	nore	with no luacontroller?
06:25	sfan5	with lua controller
06:25	[0gb_us]	I don't know what a luacontroller is.
06:26	sfan5	[0gb_us]: like a microcontoller in mesecons, only programmed in lua
06:26	[0gb_us]	OH! Sorry, wrong conversation, my bad.
06:26	VanessaE	[0gb_us]: basically a micro controller that runs Lua in a sandbox
06:26	[0gb_us]	Yeah, I've seen those. I was thinking of a C++ Lua something.
06:26	nore	IIRC, I did 6x4 for 1 bit of memory without luacontroller, that can be used in RAM
06:27	nore	with luacontroller, I reckon I can make 2x3 for 1 bit of memory
06:27	sfan5	nore: I can do 1x1 for 1 bit
06:27	VanessaE	challenge:  using pistons, mese lamps, and solar panels, make a small amount of core memory :)
06:28	VanessaE	(like the flipdot thing I saw on hackaday recently)
06:28	nore	sfan5, this includes the input and adressing to make a tileable RAM
06:28	sfan5	nore: mine is tileable too you just need to add an address decoder
06:29	nore	what I usually do is to add mese blocks vertically, and a decoder at the top
06:29	nore	I made very compact decoders too
06:33	Peacock	to when ze binary mesecons be done?
06:34	nore	?
06:34	sfan5	nore: 8 bytes memory http://i.imgur.com/grKFxqs.png
06:35	VanessaE	sfan5: um...daytime? :)
06:35	VanessaE	still, nice
06:35	Peacock	i mean, any plans to built-in the basic wiring logic?
06:35	nore	sfan5, do you know where ignore is defined?
06:35	sfan5	signal is transferred (per luacontroller) Pin D -> Pin B and Pin A <-> Pin C
06:35	VanessaE	Peacock: it would be nice, but afaik there are no active plans for suc
06:35	VanessaE	such*
06:36	nore	you mean merging mesecons in minetest_game?
06:36	sfan5	if you power one line on the left the 8 luacontrollers in the line will output their state to pin b
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06:36	nore	I reckon it would be good
06:36	VanessaE	sounds almost like RAS/CAS addressing
06:36	sfan5	if you power one line on the right the 8 luacontrollers in the line will set their state to pin d
06:37	nore	sfan5, I see how it works
06:37	Peacock	the nodes and machines and shit would still be lua side, but the logic itself built-in could be reused for all sorts of wires/pipes and stuff
06:37	sfan5	nore: how do you build a small address decoder? (I know how to do one, but not small..)
06:38	nore	FYI, I use 1 Y-level for each bit in the address
06:39	nore	and if you want to see one, look at my computer in the mesecons competition 3.0
06:39	sfan5	I need a horizontal one
06:39	nore	sfan5, 1 Y-level high, or can it be multiple?
06:40	sfan5	multiple but the outputs need to be on the ground
06:40	nore	the idea is to make it tileable
06:40	nore	the lowest levels are the hardest to do
06:42	nore	and is there any condition for the spacing of outputs?
06:42	* OldCoder	continues to work on update
06:42	khonkhortisan	pong proller any more to rebase?
06:46	nore	sfan5?
06:51	OldCoder	nore, VanessaE, sfan5... as expected I will need to tidy up mods... PANIC unprotected error in call to LUA API. This happens in craft_guide for Zegaton.
06:51	OldCoder	Comments?
06:52	VanessaE	I use technic's craft guide, but it's also busted (it, or the engine, is screwing up the actual recipes being reported/displayed)
06:52	OldCoder	Fine; so just drop it?
06:52	VanessaE	some of your users might complain..
06:52	OldCoder	What is the recommendation?
06:53	VanessaE	imho drop it for now
06:53	OldCoder	Dropped it and now MESECONS panics
06:53	VanessaE	re-install later when a working version is found/made
06:53	OldCoder	This is likely to take a few weeks :-)
06:53	VanessaE	just update mesecons
06:53	OldCoder	proceeding
06:53	Peacock	these dang craft guides never seem to work for long lol
06:55	OldCoder	VanessaE, do you still recommend rm -fr mesecons_commandblock?
06:55	VanessaE	I don't have that on mine, imho it's not really safe to use
06:56	OldCoder	yes
06:56	nore	sfan5, I have a 2 Y-level high version, with 2 nodes width for each adressing bit, and outputs next to one another
06:56	VanessaE	butidk how well-sandboxed it is
06:56	VanessaE	it may be safe now
06:56	nore	VanessaE, it is not craftable for now
06:57	nore	and it can only run commands the owner has privileges for
06:57	sfan5	nore: spacing: each one right next to eachother
06:58	nore	for the outputs or the inputs?
06:58	sfan5	outputs
06:59	nore	ok, it is done
06:59	sfan5	inputs would be nice but is not needed
06:59	nore	I fear it is not possible for inputs
06:59	nore	or we need vertical gates
07:00	sfan5	no ,its ok
07:00	nore	FYI, the last adressing level is different from the others, so there is 1 more space
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07:03	OldCoder	Hmm. I updated mesecons and still getting a panic. Reviewing further.
07:04	OldCoder	Ah
07:05	nore	http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?ac602a737dc21248#M3yI5vDcgzDzf1yxr+1wccFA27YeoHeENBlKII0LYYA=
07:05	nore	sfan5: ^ this is a WE schematic
07:06	sfan5	:P You don't need to tell the creator of WorldEdit that it is a WE schematic
07:06	nore	you have 2 levels of decoder, for the following ones, just do like the second level
07:07	OldCoder	Has cornernote's craft_guide been updated by anybody?
07:07	VanessaE	zeg9's is only a couple months old
07:08	VanessaE	https://github.com/Zeg9/minetest-zcg/commits/master
07:08	VanessaE	( https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=108355#p108355 )
07:08	VanessaE	note its depends
07:08	OldCoder	Sapier has done it
07:08	OldCoder	Hm
07:08	OldCoder	Looking at Zeg9's
07:10	Peacock	how many craft guides are there?
07:10	sfan5	!c 2^3
07:10	MinetestBot	8
07:11	Peacock	damn lol why not just 1 built-in that actually works, attached 'g'? lol
07:12	VanessaE	Peacock: would be nice, for sure
07:13	Peacock	i dont get though why registered crafts doesn't work
07:13	VanessaE	dunno
07:13	VanessaE	something broken about how groups are interpreted I guess
07:13	Peacock	weird
07:13	Peacock	well you can always edit builtins' register_craft to make a table of crafts for the guide
07:13	VanessaE	homdecor recipes register black dye for example, but show as needing LIME in the craft guide
07:14	Peacock	so why not just copy and store the craft tables at register?
07:15	VanessaE	when last I knew there was no graceful way to capture everything
07:16	khonkhortisan	the way to capture everything is to load last
07:17	khonkhortisan	ingracefully
07:17	Peacock	hrmpf, register_craft aint in builtin
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07:18	Peacock	well, you can always store minetest.register_craft to another variable, overide it, copy the craft, then call the original function (that you put in another var)
07:19	VanessaE	that would work provided you could get your hook in ahead of *everything* else
07:19	VanessaE	else you'll miss some recipes
07:20	nore	yes, so you should call the mod aaa_whatever
07:20	VanessaE	technic's craft guide used to have such a thing
07:20	Peacock	stick it in builtin, i assume that loads before any of the mods
07:20	VanessaE	it was deprecated when the get-craft-recipes call was added to the API, and for a while, that worked pretty well
07:20	VanessaE	(I think)
07:20	Peacock	for a while :P
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07:20	VanessaE	then something..... broke.\
07:21	Peacock	now we gots a dozen broken craft guides lol
07:22	Peacock	either way i stopped bothering coming up with crafts after a 100 or so nodes lol
07:22	khonkhortisan	you either have to be first or last, or depending on what you're doing, both.
07:22	Peacock	heck i cant even remember my own address, and ive only had four of those in the last few years lol
07:23	VanessaE	nore: in fact technic's hook was aaa_recipeshook
07:24	nore	sfan5, did it work?
07:25	sfan5	yes
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07:26	nore	what will you be doing with it?
07:26	Peacock	god hates me https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7777300992/h417D6DE4/
07:26	VanessaE	heh
07:26	sfan5	address decoder for the memory
07:27	nore	and wait, it should be possible to make it even smaller with luacontrollers...
07:27	khonkhortisan	lolhaha nice cloud
07:27	khonkhortisan	I saw the light rays first though
07:27	nore	sfan5, but what is that memory for?
07:27	sfan5	dunno
07:27	sfan5	I'll see
07:29	Peacock	boneless watermelon https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7771085824/h93CB000C/
07:29	OldCoder	Looks like I'll need to update a lot of mods... falling asleep... will try this over the next few weeks
07:29	OldCoder	Night
07:31	e1z0	good dayĄ
07:31	e1z0	good day!*
07:32	Peacock	i think thats goodnight :P
07:38	e1z0	how to run minetest in directx mode ?
07:42	sfan5	e1z0: "video_driver = direct3d9" in minetest.conf
07:42	e1z0	oh
07:42	e1z0	thanks
07:43	e1z0	i'm learining the source code of minetest, maybe some day i will make fork of it
07:43	e1z0	:|
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07:48	Peacock	i will make spoon of minetest :D
07:49	e1z0	hmm
07:49	e1z0	it says that directx support was not compiled
07:49	e1z0	do i need directx sdk,  and recompile mintest for that ?
07:53	VanessaE	think I'll head off to bed.  night all.
07:53	Calinou	night VanessaE
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08:13	OldCoder	Back for a couple of minutes before asleep. Should I update Technic or did RBA branch in some way that is not compatible with current?
08:13	OldCoder	Zzz
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08:14	Calinou	night OldCoder
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09:01	xiong	Please help with flowers; I don't understand a bit of them. I know I can convert them into dyes but I'm at wits end to understand propagation.
09:05	xiong	Is it not possible to grow flowers? Am I limited to gathering wildflowers?
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09:50	* Calinou	tips horn
10:00	xiong	Hi.
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11:29	FreeFull	xiong: I think you just have to plant the flowers and wait for them to spread
11:32	xiong	Planted. Been waiting. No joy.
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11:34	nore	Flowers don't spread IIRC
11:34	nore	hi Jordach!
11:35	xiong	They do generate somehow. Not all flowers were created at time of chunk creation, I think. My area is overgrown with reds and no matter how many I take, I see more.
11:36	nore	sorry, they do
11:37	nore	each 50 seconds and with a 1/25 chance for each flower, it will spread if the conditions are met
11:37	xiong	Ah... conditions?
11:38	xiong	Tell me about these conditions. Even better, point me to some docs.
11:38	nore	https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/flowers/init.lua#L138
11:38	nore	from there to the end of the file
11:38	xiong	I'm starting to get pretty annoyed at the no-docs policy.
11:38	xiong	That's not docs; that's code.
11:39	xiong	The policy is based on the theory that if you want to play the game, you need to learn how to develop the game.
11:39	nore	yes, but there is nothing else ;)
11:39	FreeFull	xiong: That's not really true
11:39	nore	and the code is pretty self-explainatory
11:39	nore	and we need people to write the wiki...
11:39	FreeFull	It's pretty easy to play minetest without ever developing it
11:40	xiong	There is something else; it's called "documentation" and you should write it as you write the code. Now I need to say I have a few decades of engineering experience and no matter what I build, I write and draw documentation for it.
11:40	nore	but to be simple, the conditions are:
11:40	nore	light level >=13
11:40	nore	less than 3 flowers in a 4 nodes radius
11:41	nore	no flower-blocking node in that radius
11:41	xiong	Okay, that second condition is the tricky one. So it's impossible to grow the things densely; and in fact you want to leave huge room around each starter plant.
11:41	KikaRz	!seen Telek
11:41	KikaRz	anyone seen telek around here?
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11:42	nore	when I say less than, it is less than or equal, including the flower that is growing
11:42	xiong	That's the key, Nore; thanks. I'll rearrange my fields. In fact, due to the huge land requirement, I'll look to push this off to a new and distant field.
11:43	nore	KikaRz, I did not see him, nor did MinetestBot
11:43	xiong	Well, put a starter every 5 meters, because it's easier to count that way; and be prepared to thin frequently. I'll work it out.
11:44	xiong	Thanks again, I can't wait. Unfortunately I'm off quarrying desert stone.
11:44	nore	and about flower blocking nodes, I do not know any of these
11:44	xiong	I got iron ore in desert stone just now. In many months of play I have never, ever gotten ore in desert stone.
11:44	nore	xiong, what mods have you installed?
11:45	xiong	Well, let's just say I'll avoid everything except air.
11:45	Jordach	xiong, gloopores adds that
11:45	nore	flowers need grass to grow
11:45	xiong	Eh? Oh, sorry, this is the general channel. I got the iron in King Arthur's.
11:46	xiong	I'm going to think you mean dirt_with_grass.
11:46	nore	yes, of course
11:46	xiong	I'm sure it'll be a snap, now that I understand about the requirement for sparse planting.
11:47	xiong	What's the maximum amount of mods anyone has been able to run at one time?
11:48	xiong	Some must be incompatible so I won't ask if anyone has ever run "all" together.
11:50	nore	there is no real maximum, but you need to change the max number of defined nodes in the code if you really want to add a lot of mods
11:51	xiong	Hm. There may be no limit but there must be a greatest number that have actually been run at one time without smoke spilling from the vents.
11:51	xiong	No matter; it's an idle question.
11:53	xiong	I'd rather talk about "lag". That's the popular name for it but of course network latency is not really the issue. No matter what's done, it will be possible sometimes to perform enough actions quickly enough that you have to wait for the server to catch up; and that's not really a problem nor is it much correctable.
11:54	xiong	What concerns me is "lagback", where an action is taken away and never performed at all; or taken away and then eventually performed after all. Is anybody working on this core issue?
11:54	xiong	I don't know but I smell the influence of someone whose day job is writing financial transactions code who thinks in ACID terms.
11:56	xiong	I know there's no money in this but it's impossible for me to see an engineering issue and not think about it.
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12:04	KikaRz	where is telek? :(
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12:06	Evergreen	I just posted my 1000th post on the forums.   Yay
12:07	KikaRz	Yay. Now what? Want a cookie?
12:07	KikaRz	-.-
12:09	Evergreen	Aww....
12:09	Jordach	Evergreen, IRC more often, it's boring without you :(
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12:09	Evergreen	Thank you, I guess
12:09	* Calinou	has 816 billion cookies
12:09	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
12:09	Evergreen	I just have been forgetting to go on irc, idk why
12:10	Evergreen	Hi PilzAdam
12:10	Jordach	Evergreen, have you made tools for faithful
12:10	Evergreen	Yes, quite a while ago actually
12:11	Jordach	Evergreen, i had some 32x tools in my own repo
12:11	Evergreen	Link?
12:11	Jordach	https://github.com/Jordach/Faithful_Minetest_Texture_Pack
12:11	* Jordach	did it first
12:12	Evergreen	I might They are nice textures, but "faithful" isn't really the word to describe the tools
12:12	Jordach	Evergreen, i just fucked up on the axes
12:13	PilzAdam	Evergreen, nice, you have 1000 posts now
12:13	Evergreen	Don't get me wrong, the tools are nice, but they aren't really faithful to default
12:13	Evergreen	Thanks PilzAdam
12:18	Calinou	there are no lollipops...
12:19	Jordach	> a little bit of ms paint.
12:19	Jordach	I AM DISSAPOINT.
12:19	* Jordach	spotted john_minetest playing on VE-Survival
12:20	Jordach	who's
12:20	Jordach	it doesnt even support modern minetest, last commit was 8 months sgo
12:20	Jordach	ago*
12:21	PilzAdam	Jordach, wut? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=109440#p109440
12:21	PilzAdam	"rewrite the nodeboxes" why?
12:21	Jordach	PilzAdam, because Graphics Engine differences
12:22	Jordach	not to mention different co-ord conversions
12:22	thexyz	anyone with a spare 1gbps server?
12:22	Jordach	nope nope nope
12:22	PilzAdam	Jordach, why would you change the API if you switch the graphic engine
12:22	thexyz	for a day or two
12:22	PilzAdam	doesnt really make sense to me
12:23	Jordach	PilzAdam, nodeboxes are explicitly tied to Irrlicht
12:23	PilzAdam	so what? write a wrapper to support the current format
12:23	PilzAdam	no need to break mods
12:24	Jordach	PilzAdam, you expect someone to write a wrapper that's not hacky in anyway
12:25	Jordach	it's too much effort for something that may not bring performance bonuses
12:26	Jordach	thexyz, what are you planning
12:27	thexyz	record ~7k web cams for 24 hours
12:27	Jordach	oh
12:27	thexyz	though 1 gbit wouldn't be enough
12:27	Jordach	heh
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12:39	Evergreen	I really should play on VanessaE's survival server more
12:39	Evergreen	It's a great server
12:40	Jordach	Evergreen, WOOOO
12:41	Evergreen	Something completely off-topic, I am getting about 500 million cookies per second in cookie clicker now.   :P\
12:41	Jordach	holy shit
12:41	Evergreen	Clickers cost abot 3 trillion cookies now
12:41	Calinou	500 million? O_o
12:42	Calinou	did you keep your PC up 24/7 or use a JS clicker
12:42	Calinou	I use xdotool to click when I'm not doing anything else
12:42	Calinou	I have 66 million cookies/s
12:42	Evergreen	It does it automatically, so I don't have to do anything except leave it going
12:42	Evergreen	Are you on the classic or the new cookie clicer
12:42	Evergreen	*clicker
12:42	Jordach|MT	Evergreen, check your window of minetest
12:43	Evergreen	It's not done loading the media yet
12:43	Jordach|MT	oh
12:43	Calinou	the new one
12:43	Calinou	a clicker would boost the cookies you make in one second
12:43	Calinou	you can still click if you gain automatic cookies
12:44	Evergreen	I get about 16 millino cookies per click now
12:44	PilzAdam	it crashed for me a while ago and I had no recent save
12:44	PilzAdam	:-/
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12:51	proller	Game.cookiesPs=99999999999999999999;
12:58	nore	xdotool is actually very useful... :p
12:59	Calinou	yep
12:59	* Calinou	has 1000 billion cookies
12:59	* Calinou	buys upgrade
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13:03	Calinou	hi
13:03	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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13:06	Prestotron562	[deleted]
13:06	Calinou	in france you almost never use a aftermarket router
13:06	Calinou	you use a "box" that your ISP gives you
13:08	MinetestBot	john_minetest: zeg9 was last seen at 2013-09-05 16:32:26 UTC on #minetest
13:12	* sfan5	doesn't have the last 10 achievements in cookie clicker (including shadow ones)
13:12	sfan5	Game.Achievement {id: 70, name: "Cheated cookies taste awful", desc: "Hack in some cookies.", icon: Array[2], won: 0…} is the one you can't get without cheating
13:14	Jordach|MT	Evergreen, i don't need ores
13:14	Evergreen	There are so many freakin ores on her server
13:15	Jordach|MT	Evergreen, want Gold Chests; they're HUGE
13:15	Jordach|MT	and they're lockable
13:15	Evergreen	I logged out, I'll come bakc on later
13:15	* Jordach|MT	probably won't be here
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13:17	Jordach|MT	made two gold locked chests; come grab em
13:17	sfan5	!op
13:17	NekoGloop	sfan is now over powered
13:18		Topic for #minetest is now http://minetest.net | NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released | RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net | Task of the Day: Bring fish for everykitten!
13:18	sfan5	!deop
13:18	NekoGloop	yay :3
13:18	Prestotron562	[deleted]
13:19	sfan5	NekoGloop: ><(((º>
13:19	Prestotron562	[deleted]
13:19	Jordach|MT	Prestotron562, use Ubuntu
13:19	* NekoGloop	noms the fishy :3
13:19	Prestotron562	[deleted]
13:19	Jordach|MT	Prestotron562, or a broken USB port
13:19	Prestotron562	[deleted]
13:19	Prestotron562	[deleted]
13:20	Prestotron562	[deleted]
13:20	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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13:20	Prestotron562	[deleted]
13:21	sfan5	!help
13:21	MinetestBot	https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
13:21	Jordach|MT	!halp
13:21	Jordach|MT	sfan5, ^
13:21	Prestotron562	[deleted]
13:22	Prestotron562	[deleted]
13:22	Calinou	yes
13:22	Calinou	but not in repos
13:22	sfan5	yes
13:22	Jordach|MT	Prestotron562, ubuntu has xchat by default with the identical interface
13:22	sfan5	you could just use XChat
13:22	Calinou	so you gotta compile it yourself or use a PPA
13:22	* john_minetest	puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head
13:22	* NekoGloop	purrs >w<
13:22	Prestotron562	[deleted]
13:22	Jordach|MT	yes
13:22	Prestotron562	[deleted]
13:22	sfan5	NekoGloop: ><((((((((º>
13:23	* Evergreen	dumps a bucket of raw fish on NekoGloop's head
13:23	* NekoGloop	noms the big fishy~ :3
13:23	Jordach|MT	><((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((º> for NekoGloop
13:24	* sfan5	builds a fish generator using mesecons and solar panels
13:26	FreeFull	Long fish is long
13:26	sfan5	s/longcat/longfish/ you say?
13:27	FreeFull	Yes
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13:28	Jordach|MT	look under internet
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13:29	Calinou	sudo apt-get install xchat
13:29	Calinou	the end
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13:31	Evergreen	I use quassel, it is quite nice
13:31	Evergreen	'I am running ubuntu with unity fyi
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13:33	Calinou	reduce sensitivity in mouse settings
13:33	Prestotron562	[deleted]
13:34	Prestotron562	[deleted]
13:35	Morrolan	It has been packaged for several distros, and included in their repos.
13:35	Calinou	an old version
13:36	Morrolan	(I was quite astonished when I found out.)
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13:36	Morrolan	0.4.7 is what's packaged, I thought?
13:38	sfan5	IIRC its 0.4.4 or even older
13:38	Calinou	0.4.6 iirc
13:39	Exio4	no idea in ubuntu
13:39	Exio4	but sid has 0.4.7
13:39	sfan5	..
13:39	Prestotron562	[deleted]
13:39	sfan5	the Ubuntu Software Center has 0.3.1
13:39	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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13:39	Exio4	http://packages.debian.org/sid/minetest
13:40	sfan5	Prestotron562: thats because linux doesn't have all shit installed your computer manufactor installs on windows
13:40	Morrolan	sfan5: Huh, I was under the assumption that the software center was just a fancy frontend to apt. Guess I'm wrong.
13:41	Prestotron562	[deleted]
13:41	Morrolan	Oh, Ubuntu's repos just contain outdated versions. Boo!
13:41	Calinou	blame debian
13:41	Morrolan	Just that Sid has 0.4.7. :P
13:42	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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13:43	Morrolan	Calinou: What Linux distro do you use, again? :P
13:44	Morrolan	I only remember a few which you don't like. *snrk*
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13:44	Calinou	Xubuntu 13.04
13:44	Morrolan	Ah. :)
13:44	Prestotron562	[deleted]
13:44	Calinou	yes
13:44	Calinou	except if DLLs are involved
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13:45	Prestotron562	[deleted]
13:45	Morrolan	xChat is identical to what? :)
13:46	Prestotron562	[deleted]
13:46	Morrolan	Ah, xChat Linux to xChat Windows?
13:46	Morrolan	Ah.
13:46	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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13:46	Morrolan	Just buy a new one. :P
13:46	Morrolan	What does it do, anyway?
13:47	Calinou	what laptop do you have, Prestotron562
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13:47	Prestotron562	[deleted]
13:47	Prestotron562	[deleted]
13:47	Morrolan	Heh.
13:47	Morrolan	Time for a new one, then. :)
13:47	Morrolan	Warranty?
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13:51	Calinou	if you don't want your battery to die, shut it down
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14:19	OldCoder	john_minetest, Hi. I rebuilt MT last night. Not changing running servers yet. It appears I need to update lots of mods.
14:19	dysoco	Not checked Minetest in a couple months, anything new?
14:19	OldCoder	dysoco, A new release IIRC
14:20	OldCoder	And LevelDB is now available
14:20	Exio4	dysoco: depends of what you mean by new?
14:20	Exio4	there is a changelog, http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog
14:20	OldCoder	john_minetest, I will be online for the day in an hour or two. Comments from people in #minebest on mods will be helpful.
14:20	dysoco	no idea really, haven't played a lot
14:20	Exio4	and a commit log, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commits/
14:23	dysoco	Oh you can drown now
14:23	dysoco	I remember you were talking about that last time I checked it
14:24	PilzAdam	!dev Changelog
14:24	PilzAdam	MinetestBot?
14:24	dysoco	Yeah don't worry, already got the links
14:24	MinetestBot	sfan5: !dev is broken!
14:25	sfan5	!dev Changelog
14:25	sfan5	...
14:25	sfan5	MinetestBot!
14:25	MinetestBot	sfan5!
14:26	Exio4	lol
14:32	dysoco	I was just taking a look at this Trillek thing... the project itself looks interesting, but they want to roll their own Engine, their own Math library and there's discussion of using Haskell for the server-side
14:32	dysoco	they are a bit... optimistic
14:33	Exio4	haskell is nice
14:34	dysoco	I think that too
14:34	Exio4	and if they have some free years, they can do it
14:34	dysoco	but they have, how many, 50 developers? How many of those developers know Haskell fluently? 2? 3?
14:34	Evergreen	Hey everyone, I need some 16x better than default sword textures
14:36	PilzAdam	dysoco, trillek.org is not very informative: e-mail adresses are hidden, the wiki cant be read without creating an account, the blog has 2 entries, both are not about the game
14:36	PilzAdam	I have the feeling that I am not wanted there
14:37	dysoco	PilzAdam, they are focusing so much on this DCPU thing and the web that there's no a single line of code for the Engine in the main repo yet
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14:55	dysoco	what does everyone use as editor/IDE to work on Minetest?
14:55	dysoco	I'm trying to set up KDEvelop but... ugh
14:56	PilzAdam	I use a simple text editor with syntax highlighting and CLI gcc
14:57	dysoco	yeah I was going to use Emacs, but for big projects I prefer an IDE, makes it a bit easier to browse
14:57	MinetestBot	john_minetest: xkcd: Real Programmers
14:57	dysoco	a classic
14:59	dysoco	Dev-C++, I used that years ago when I started.
15:00	dysoco	I thought it was dead? There's a fork but not sure if it's still alive
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15:06	dysoco	hm, main.cpp could use some refactoring, the the_game function is huuge.
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15:09	Exio4	dysoco: do you mean http://dev.minetest.net/Code_style_guidelines#Don.27t_let_things_get_too_large
15:10	dysoco	I guess
15:11	ShadowNinja	dysoco: Yes, everyone knows. Someone just has to actually fix it.
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15:31	PilzAdam	Im in that article!
15:31	* PilzAdam	is so famous
15:31	Exio4	PilzAdam is everywhere
15:32	Exio4	he is behind rarity tho
15:32	Exio4	you aren't the most-known pony yet /o\
15:32	PilzAdam	D:
15:34	Exio4	:D
15:34	Exio4	rarity > pilzadam </calinou>
15:34	Exio4	"try to search a cheap intel mobo for the cpus"
15:34	Exio4	lel
15:34	* PilzAdam	clops Calinou
15:34	Exio4	amd fanboy \o/
15:34	* Calinou	tips his horn
15:38	PilzAdam	can someone stop this spamming already: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=109156#p109156
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15:41	ShadowNinja	Delete the posts and warn him at least.
15:43	Calinou	warned
15:43	Calinou	(in PM)
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15:47	Calinou	yes
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15:50	Prestotron562	[deleted]
15:52	sfan5	Prestotron562: use google
15:52	Calinou	or startpage
15:52	PilzAdam	or ixquick
15:53	sfan5	or duckduckgo
15:53	kahrl	or altavista
15:53	PilzAdam	or not duckduckgo
15:53	sfan5	or PonyAdam
15:53	Prestotron562	[deleted]
15:55	dysoco	askjeeves ftw
15:56	yyamiyyugi	Any tips on getting started making mods? (I
15:56	yyamiyyugi	*I already found the guide)
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15:57	Calinou	sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
15:57	* Kacey	forgot to bring fish
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15:59	* Calinou	never went to it in ~2 years
15:59	Calinou	Prestotron562: I think it includes flash
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16:02	Zeg9	Hi!
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16:07	Calinou	what's that?
16:07	Calinou	sounds like bad marketing BS
16:07	Exio4	it is the daemon preload
16:07	Exio4	that loads most-used programs to ram
16:07	Exio4	before you even start them
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16:12	mrtux	hello Prestotron562
16:13	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:13	mrtux	good. you?
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16:13	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:13	mrtux	ah
16:14	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:15	mrtux	i'm switching to debian in a few days
16:15	mrtux	not a big fan of arch
16:15	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:16	mrtux	meh never really used it.
16:17	mrtux	my first distro was arch
16:17	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:17	mrtux	i've used ubuntu server
16:17	mrtux	thats about it
16:17	* Zeg9	uses arch. You probably dont care, but I used debian, then ubuntu, then debian, and finally arch.
16:18	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:18	Zeg9	Probably arch, as I'm still using it
16:19	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:19	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:19	Zeg9	It actually looks like what you make of it
16:19	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:20	Zeg9	why can't you install it on your desktop?
16:21	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:22	Zeg9	Why not compiling?
16:22	Calinou	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837
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16:26	Peacock	greetings channel people
16:27	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:27	thexyz	so when/where are we going to have another stress test?
16:28	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:28	Calinou	it's not like people don't put me down either
16:28	sfan5	its ok
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16:29	Peacock	prostatron, i dont think it's the newbness, just the occasional flooding that irritates :p
16:29	Calinou	not neessarily here
16:30	Peacock	though nothing tops dan's million-question-marathon lol
16:30	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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16:31	Peacock	thats why i said occasional :P
16:31	Peacock	naw dan its all the time
16:31	Peacock	and the same question over and over lol
16:31	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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16:32	Peacock	i just woke up, i dont feel like rifling through the chat logs :P
16:32	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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16:33	Peacock	spam is just... spam lol flooding is like rapid-fire questions, or (like dan) posting the same questions over and over
16:33	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:34	Peacock	google usually is faster than waiting for a reply here, its always better to ask the questions you can't find the answers too through google
16:34	Peacock	*answers to
16:34	sfan5	^
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16:36	Peacock	usually when people don't answer a question i take it as a cue im using the wrong search terms :P
16:36	Peacock	but the info is out there
16:38	yyamiyyugi	Can someone help me out with groups? I'm looking at the intro on the wiki (http://dev.minetest.net/Intro) and I clicked on the link in this line "Node (minetest.register_node): A Block from the world" But it says nothing about the different groups only thing I see on there from the Intro is the tiles
16:39	yyamiyyugi	The link took me to this page http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_node#Syntax
16:39	Peacock	example of groups in default mod
16:39	yyamiyyugi	ok
16:39	Peacock	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L550
16:39	yyamiyyugi	thank you
16:40	Peacock	/doc/lua_api.txt usually has more detailed info on everything
16:41	yyamiyyugi	ok, I will use that instead then
16:41	yyamiyyugi	thanks for letting me know
16:42	Peacock	no prob, if you built from source you should have the file already
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16:43	sfan5	github.com/minetest/minetest/issues
16:43	Peacock	github /issues
16:43	yyamiyyugi	you mean when getting the game Peacock?
16:43	Peacock	depends how you got the game, if you compiled you have it, if you used a package manager then im not sure
16:44	yyamiyyugi	I used the exe to get the game
16:44	yyamiyyugi	(if i'm understanding properly)
16:45	Peacock	windows build? then im not sure
16:45	yyamiyyugi	ya, windows
16:45	yyamiyyugi	I will just copy and paste it to a text file then
16:46	PilzAdam	lua-api.txt is in the win build AFAIK
16:46	yyamiyyugi	is it?
16:46	PilzAdam	yes, just checked
16:46	PilzAdam	look in the doc/ folder
16:47	yyamiyyugi	yup, there it is, thanks
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16:48	Peacock	that should match the version you have, the github link is always for the latest version
16:48	yyamiyyugi	So I can make an actual game load up from the launcher? or is it more like a modpack?
16:51	Peacock	not sure what you mean
16:51	OldCoder	Hi. I'm updating from 0.4.4 to 0.4.7. If I'd like to be backwards compatible with existing worlds, should I update Technic or not?
16:52	yyamiyyugi	I saw a games loadpath, is that like, seprategames made with the engine or more like modpacks?
16:53	PilzAdam	yyamiyyugi, games are modpacks
16:53	yyamiyyugi	ok
16:53	PilzAdam	*like modpacks
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16:57	Peacock	wife's latest castle https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=109479#p109479
16:58	OldCoder	mrtux, good morning
16:58	OldCoder	VanessaE, john_minetest ^ regarding Technic
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17:01	yyamiyyugi	so you can combine groups to give different properties to nodes? Like say I wanted a tougher dirt i could make is crumbly=2 and cracky =1? or am I misunderstanding it?
17:02	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: Old setups will stop working until they get switching stations. But the stable branch should be safe.
17:02	Prestotron562	[deleted]
17:02	Calinou	what's that?
17:03	Calinou	to use git on linux: sudo apt-get install git
17:03	Prestotron562	[deleted]
17:03	PilzAdam	no
17:04	Prestotron562	[deleted]
17:04	Prestotron562	[deleted]
17:04	Calinou	it won't
17:04	Prestotron562	[deleted]
17:04	Calinou	git is a command line program
17:04	ShadowNinja	Prestotron562: You want to get latest git on Linux?
17:04	Calinou	try typing "git" with no arguments
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17:05	Prestotron562	[deleted]
17:05	khonkhortisan	terminal is the command window, bash is the command prompt.
17:05	Prestotron562	[deleted]
17:05	Calinou	that's their proprietary app
17:05	Calinou	there probably are GUI git clients around
17:05	Calinou	I don't use them and few people do
17:05	OldCoder	ShadowNinja, thanks, but not clear; I have a lot of old worlds that use Technic. Should I update Technic or not?
17:06	Prestotron562	[deleted]
17:06	OldCoder	john_minetest, ^
17:06	khonkhortisan	I've tried git-gui, it might be useful for visualizing a tree
17:06	OldCoder	john_minetest, I am starting with Zegaton
17:06	khonkhortisan	don't use the full url when commiting
17:06	khonkhortisan	git remote -v should have the url listed
17:06	PilzAdam	Prestotron562, http://git-scm.com/book
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17:07	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: Yes, the stable branch should work with 0.4.7. And if there are any issues you can always check out a older commit.
17:07	PilzAdam	k, see you in 4 hours then
17:07	khonkhortisan	you'd git commit, and put in a message. Then you'd git push. If you were on a new branch, you'd git push origin branchname.
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17:07	PilzAdam	no, you need to read it
17:07	OldCoder	ShadowNinja, I will try it then thanks
17:07	Prestotron562	[deleted]
17:07	PilzAdam	read the first 3 chapters
17:07	Prestotron562	[deleted]
17:08	PilzAdam	(of course you free to read more)
17:08	PilzAdam	and also try the things out that are explained there, just reading doesnt help much
17:08	Peacock	hm, an on_walk_over() field/trigger for nodes would be cool for turning soil to trampled soil and traps
17:09	Prestotron562	[deleted]
17:09	khonkhortisan	the images do a good job of showing centralized vs distributed
17:12	ShadowNinja	Peacock: That would have to be server side. Meaning it would work just about as well as on_globalstep.
17:13	Peacock	i could be wrong, but it seems the only solution right now is to run an abm on really low interval and  check for entities on top of the node
17:13	Peacock	i dont know that on_walk_over() would be any more efficient though
17:14	PilzAdam	thats what mesecons does for pressure plates
17:14	IceCraft	hello
17:14	Peacock	i noticed in farming mod you commented out some code that would turn farm soil to regular soil when people walk on it too
17:15	PilzAdam	yes
17:15	Peacock	i wanted to rig a sortof trap- grate, but my fps went down a few notches with an abm set on 1
17:15	ShadowNinja	Peacock: on_globalstep runs ten times as often as the fastest ABM by default.
17:16	Peacock	can you do on_step with nodes?
17:16	PilzAdam	ShadowNinja, but it doesnt know the node position, you'd have to run it on players, and that would lag horribly
17:16	Peacock	i think i saw somewhere in builtin that abm's are basically on globalstep, id have to reread that code
17:17	PilzAdam	no,  thats wrong
17:17	PilzAdam	minetest.after() is basically on_globalstep
17:17	Peacock	oh yeah not abms, minetest.after
17:17	ShadowNinja	For each player check if they are on a node and run on_walk_over() if it exists.
17:17	Peacock	the no-lag worldedit worked the same way i think
17:18	PilzAdam	yea, my WE++ worked with on_globalstep
17:18	Peacock	youd basically have to get player pos y-1, check registered_nodes[nn].on_walk_over and run it
17:18	PilzAdam	(and then WE copied that)
17:18	Peacock	that happens :P
17:19	Peacock	much of what i did with multinode was eventually copied too :p
17:19	Peacock	except for multiple selections and some of the funkyer shapes
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17:20	Peacock	though whats the difference with using globalstep and lua's builtin coroutines, did you try both?
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17:21	Evergreen	I forget, how do I replace a node/tool from the default game?
17:22	PilzAdam	Evergreen, register(":name")
17:22	Peacock	edit the default mod or overwrite (override?) it
17:22	ShadowNinja	Evergreen: Register it again.
17:22	khonkhortisan	Registering it again is bad.
17:22	Peacock	meh,
17:22	Peacock	i do that with half a dozen builtin functions
17:22	khonkhortisan	If the default node changes, you are overriding what changed.
17:22	khonkhortisan	If you can, load the node exactly as it is, then override part of it.
17:23	Peacock	get the nodedef from registered_nodes, and add to it, then re-register
17:23	ShadowNinja	khonkhortisan: Ah, get minetest.registered_items[name], change it, and then register that.
17:23	khonkhortisan	I made minetest draw diagonal rails, but the carts mod overrides part of default:rail, so I have to add another pull request for carts to change tiles back
17:24	Peacock	seems like you could put the direction in the rail's meta
17:24	khonkhortisan	Yes, but node tables have a metatable (the horrible __newindex) that allows you to modify variables, but not add any
17:24	Peacock	each rail has two directions, so whichever one the cart is sitting on, head in the other
17:25	khonkhortisan	rails have straight, (straight and angled,) curved, three-way, four-way, diagonal, and diagonal end. I needed no meta.
17:25	Peacock	except for forks and 4-ways, though im assuming theres a switch nearby to tell which way to go
17:25	khonkhortisan	?
17:26	Peacock	well you'd just need a table for each nodename list the directions possible
17:26	khonkhortisan	all the different rails are a single node. Minetest figures out how they're connected, then draws a different image based on that.
17:27	Peacock	dunno, haven't played with carts much honestly
17:27	ShadowNinja	I just rewrote two parts of technic that depended on metadata which used unnecessary map space and caused a infinite-posts bug.
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17:27	Peacock	mostly going on how i worked out flow direction for pipes
17:27	khonkhortisan	what is map space?
17:27	ShadowNinja	Do not use metadata unless it is necessary.
17:27	khonkhortisan	pipes are like mesecons, you place a single node and it turns into other nodes to connect
17:27	Peacock	mesecons uses a shitton of metadata, esp. for controllers no?
17:27	ShadowNinja	khonkhortisan: Space in map.sqlite or map.db/
17:27	PilzAdam	pipeworks uses meta to get the flow direction?
17:28	PilzAdam	meta is ver slow
17:28	khonkhortisan	oh, instead of definition space
17:28	Peacock	no my pipes uses meta to determine the source of the flowing liquid
17:28	Peacock	and the pressure
17:28	ShadowNinja	Peacock: No, they don't.
17:28	Peacock	my pipes do
17:28	ShadowNinja	Peacock: Mesecons doesn't.
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17:28	khonkhortisan	they don't have to, you can either calculate once and store, or recalculate all the time.
17:28	PilzAdam	Peacock, you dont know what your pipes do behind your back
17:29	khonkhortisan	I know very well how mesecons works.
17:29	khonkhortisan	The power spreads node-by-node
17:29	yyamiyyugi	Hey, anyone have any clue why the game can't load my image "modtest_testblock.png"? Code >> http://pastebin.com/u4PmKBrd
17:29	Peacock	well, storing the source is kinda of important, otherwise if you get a break in the system, water that flowed one way ends up flowing both ways
17:29	ShadowNinja	^ Recalculating means that things like //set don't mess everything up, and takes half the code.
17:29	Prestotron562	[deleted]
17:29	khonkhortisan	yyamiyyugi, groups has a double indent
17:29	yyamiyyugi	oh
17:29	khonkhortisan	but that's not why it doesn't work
17:29	PilzAdam	Prestotron562, compile from source
17:30	khonkhortisan	is it testBlock or testblock?
17:30	yyamiyyugi	testblock
17:30	khonkhortisan	you are using the image as if it is testBlock
17:30	Peacock	besides i only just recently 6-d'd my building blocks, ill be moving on to pipes soon and probably simplify that code abit too
17:30	PilzAdam	yyamiyyugi, is a file called "modtest_testBlock.png" in the texture folder?
17:30	Prestotron562	[deleted]
17:30	yyamiyyugi	it's called modtest_testblock.png
17:30	yyamiyyugi	both code and folder
17:31	khonkhortisan	no
17:31	khonkhortisan	you are wrong
17:31	khonkhortisan	tiles = {"modtest_testBlock.png"},
17:31	PilzAdam	why do you have "B" capitalized in the code?
17:31	ShadowNinja	The code uses a capital 'B'.
17:31	yyamiyyugi	wow, didn't notice that
17:31	khonkhortisan	On any operating system, filenames are either case-sensitive, or it should be assumed they are
17:33	yyamiyyugi	ok
17:33	Peacock	metas are even more important if you dont want on/off versions of every node, doubly so when you start thinking about hidden/embedded pipes/wires in other nodes
17:34	khonkhortisan	interesting
17:35	khonkhortisan	the on/off versions take the argument of which one actually takes less space. But meta would be a way to mess with random other nodes
17:35	khonkhortisan	a pipe in a pipe
17:35	Peacock	my reason for not using on/off versions of pipe is really simple though: the p4 can't handle so many inventory images
17:36	Peacock	even though you only have 1 pipe in the inventory, it creates an inv image for all of them, twice as much if you have on/off
17:36	khonkhortisan	You should only have one inventory image for a pipe.
17:36	khonkhortisan	eew
17:36	PilzAdam	Peacock, disable preload item visuals
17:36	Peacock	it didn't help
17:36	PilzAdam	then you did something wrong
17:36	khonkhortisan	leave it off anyway
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17:38	Peacock	w/ preload the inventory images are fucked up, w/o preload, theres a 3-5 lag in loading the inventory
17:38	Prestotron562	[deleted]
17:38	Peacock	*3-5 sec
17:38	Prestotron562	[deleted]
17:39	PilzAdam	Peacock, only if you open the creative inventory
17:40	PilzAdam	and loading the world is much faster
17:40	ShadowNinja	Peacock: You don't need to supply a inventory image for on nodes.
17:41	Prestotron562	[deleted]
17:42	Peacock	well being able to open the inventory in a timely matter is kinda more important than having on/off nodes to take away one meta field
17:42	Peacock	*manner
17:42	Peacock	shadow even if you dont provide an inventory image the engine still makes one with the contents of tiles{} no?
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17:44	PilzAdam	have you read the README?
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17:53	sfan5	Prestotron562: which line gave you a windows build?
17:54	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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17:54	sfan5	which command did you exec
17:54	sfan5	?
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17:54	Peacock	tabarnacle lol
17:55	sfan5	that doesn't give you a windows build
17:55	sfan5	you are looking at the wrong folder
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17:57	ShadowNinja	Peacock: I beleive not. Uberi made a commit to mesecoms that removed inventory images from on nodes to speed up loading anyway.
17:57	Peacock	#?
17:57	Peacock	i got a shitton of nodes id like to disable images for
17:57	sfan5	Prestotron562: "minetest" in your home folder
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17:59	sfan5	Prestotron562: please pastebin what the command outputs
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18:00	ShadowNinja	Peacock: https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/commit/5b5e919683c2932592a7879fba29c4f2f0289e1c
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18:01	Peacock	lol
18:01	sfan5	PLOL
18:01	ShadowNinja	Peacock: Seems he just makes them the same so they are only generated once.
18:01	Peacock	yeah he didn't disable them, he defined specific images
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18:02	STHGOM	WB
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18:02	sfan5	sudo apt-get install cmake
18:02	Prestotron562	[deleted]
18:03	Peacock	so given only one pipe piece appears in inventory, if i set every other pipe piece to use, say, "light_invis.png" (invisible light texture) then that would reduce the # of inv. images generated?
18:03	Prestotron562	[deleted]
18:03	sfan5	yes
18:03	Prestotron562	[deleted]
18:04	kahrl	Peacock, yes it would
18:04	Prestotron562	[deleted]
18:04	Peacock	that could be a helluva boost
18:04	Peacock	when im finished 6d'ing them, even more
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18:10	sfan5	WHAT THE FUCK
18:10	Calinou	do u even pastebin
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18:10	sfan5	IS IT SO FUCKING HARD TO USE A PASTEBIN
18:10	sfan5	godamnit...
18:10	Prestotron562	[deleted]
18:11	sfan5	!g WHAT THE FUCK IS A PASTEBIN?
18:11	Prestotron562	[deleted]
18:11	MinetestBot	sfan5: http://pastebin.com/CZKvQLCP
18:11	sfan5	lolwat
18:11	sfan5	MinetestBot: thats not what I wanted
18:11	sfan5	Prestotron562: http://pastebin.com/
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18:13	sfan5	*sigh*
18:13	Prestotron562	[deleted]
18:13	sfan5	put the text into the box and click submit and then copy the link from the address bar
18:13	sfan5	!
18:13	Prestotron562	[deleted]
18:13	sfan5	using a pastebin is not compiling
18:13	sfan5	and doesn't have to do a thing with ubuntu
18:14	Prestotron562	[deleted]
18:14	thexyz	http://showterm.io/
18:15	Prestotron562	[deleted]
18:15	sfan5	yes
18:15	Peacock	is there a performance difference by using simpler selection boxes (using 1 block sized selection box vs copying the nodebox def)?
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18:16	sfan5	your ubuntu is broken
18:16	Prestotron562	[deleted]
18:16	sfan5	yes you got it
18:17	Prestotron562	[deleted]
18:17	sfan5	try "sudo apt-get install -yf"
18:18	Prestotron562	[deleted]
18:19	sfan5	hm
18:19	Prestotron562	[deleted]
18:19	sfan5	yes
18:19	sfan5	don't forget sudo in front of it
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18:22	sfan5	wait
18:22	Prestotron562	[deleted]
18:23	sfan5	"sudo apt-get install libx11-dev libxext-dev"
18:24	KikaRz	'-'
18:24	KikaRz	My ubuntu vps is broken too
18:24	KikaRz	:P
18:24	KikaRz	*debian
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18:26	sfan5	Prestotron562: eleven not ll
18:26	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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18:28	Prestotron562	[deleted]
18:28	sfan5	add libxcb1-dev to the command
18:28	sfan5	(at the end with a space before it)
18:29	Prestotron562	[deleted]
18:31	sfan5	one instead of l
18:31	sfan5	1 vs. l
18:31	sfan5	there is a difference
18:31	STHGOM	download link is wacky: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3015
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18:32	sfan5	STHGOM: post that in the topic not here
18:32	STHGOM	i dont have forum account/E-mail
18:33	Prestotron562	[deleted]
18:34	sfan5	STHGOM: you can post as guest
18:34	STHGOM	i can?!
18:34	STHGOM	how/
18:35	sfan5	IIRC yes
18:36	STHGOM	ok
18:36	sfan5	Prestotron562: I'll help you later
18:37	Prestotron562	[deleted]
18:37	STHGOM	bbl
18:38	Prestotron562	[deleted]
18:38	sfan5	try adding libx11-doc at the end
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18:48	nore	ShadowNinja, btw, there is still a bug with cables
18:49	nore	in technic
18:49	ShadowNinja	What is it?
18:49	nore	cables only connect to machines above them, not next to them or below them
18:49	nore	the network works, but there is no visual connection
18:50	ShadowNinja	That was intentional, although I removed that condition since it is truer to how the network works.
18:50	ShadowNinja	(locally)
18:50	nore	you should make something like connect_sides in pipeworks
18:50	ShadowNinja	Ideally there should be a rules system like mesecons or ^.
18:51	ShadowNinja	Of course that would slow down the network traversal a bit, not sure how much, but probably not much.
18:51	nore	and I reckon this would simplify the traverse_network code too
18:51	nore	and if we add my optimization, it will not be a problem
18:52	nore	and most of the time in lua-to-c calls
18:52	ShadowNinja	The travelsal code will probably have to be rewritten for the rules system to work.
18:53	nore	I am thinking that we should implement network traversal in C
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18:53	nore	mesecons use it, technic does, and lots of mods do too
18:53	ShadowNinja	require "ffi"?
18:53	nore	what's ffi?
18:54	ShadowNinja	It is a module that comes with LuaJIT.
18:54	nore	what does it do?
18:54	ShadowNinja	That would mean depending on LuaJIT of course. It lets you run C[C++?] code.
18:54	Prestotron562	[deleted]
18:55	ShadowNinja	nore: http://luajit.org/ext_ffi.html
18:55	nore	that would be able to call the API?
18:55	ShadowNinja	What do you mean?
18:56	ShadowNinja	Oh, get_node and the like?
18:56	nore	yep
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18:56	ShadowNinja	Hmmm, I don't know exactly how that works, maybe it can call the engine's get_node.
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18:57	nore	but wait, I have an idea: would this allow to do things that would not have been possible with the lua API?
18:57	hoodedice	I crashed my windows xp boot thingy
18:58	ShadowNinja	Yes, you can definitely call any function in the standard library.
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19:00	* nore	wonders what he could do with that
19:03	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:03	hoodedice	Hello Presto
19:03	hoodedice	Is it minetest stable?
19:03	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:04	hoodedice	=)
19:04	hoodedice	Cool.
19:04	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:04	hoodedice	Now, how did you install it?
19:04	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:04	PilzAdam	Prestotron562, no offense, but you call what you are doing currently is "contributing"?
19:05	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:06	hoodedice	Ya presto
19:06	hoodedice	Get to minetest.net
19:06	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:06	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:06	hoodedice	click download, scroll down to Ubuntu/Mint, click on it
19:06	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:07	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:07	PilzAdam	hoodedice, the PPA wont help him if he want to work on the source
19:07	hoodedice	The thing that opens up is called 'launchpad'. It is a bunch of PPAs
19:07	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:07	hoodedice	Presto, you want to work on source?
19:07	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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19:08	hoodedice	Man, you ARE just another 12 yr old =P
19:08	hoodedice	See
19:08	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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19:09	hoodedice	Decide what you want to do. Mod, or Dev.
19:09	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:09	hoodedice	You sure you can?
19:09	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:10	hoodedice	ok.
19:10	hoodedice	For deving, PPAs won't help you
19:10	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:10	hoodedice	You'll have to 'clone' GitHub for that, and PilzA is better off helping you get into core
19:10	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:11	hoodedice	Well, in a simple sense, you have an android phone?
19:11	Peacock	how far along is the mesh node thing?
19:11	PilzAdam	hoodedice, do you know what tab completion is?
19:11	hoodedice	umm, no @PilzA
19:11	PilzAdam	type Pa<tab>
19:11	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:11	PilzAdam	ehm
19:11	PilzAdam	Pi<tab>
19:11	Peacock	mmm, pie
19:12	hoodedice	Oooh, but I didn't want to Ping you
19:12	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:12	hoodedice	So, in an andriod phone, when you update stuff, all of it updates, right?
19:12	hoodedice	Like all apps together, under one app?
19:12	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:13	PilzAdam	Prestotron562, just search "ppa" with ixquick.com or so
19:13	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:13	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:13	hoodedice	I honestly think you should start with a few simple mods
19:13	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:13	hoodedice	So, in Ubuntu, when you click on software update, all your installed apps get updated, provided you installed them system-wide
19:13	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:14	Peacock	speaking of nodeboxes, what if we could define each box using vertices instead? (with helpers for the old method)
19:14	hoodedice	I don't know anything about core
19:14	hoodedice	Ask PilzAdam
19:14	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:15	PilzAdam	Prestotron562, compile Minetest first, following the instructions in the README
19:15	hoodedice	Then ask VanessaE or RealBadAngel
19:15	hoodedice	Yeah, do that first
19:15	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:15	Peacock	you could make prostatron president for life of core dev? :P
19:16	nore	Peacock, I like that suggestion
19:16	nore	dunno if it is doable, thouth
19:16	VanessaE	pok what'd I miss?
19:16	VanessaE	-p
19:16	VanessaE	hi all
19:16	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:16	hoodedice	Presto wants to go core dev
19:16	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:16	nore	hi Vadtec
19:16	nore	hi VanessaE
19:17	nore	sorry, I did not type enough before <Tab> ;)
19:17	hoodedice	(So I crashed the Windows XP boot thingy)
19:17	hoodedice	*Set up a VBox LIKE A BAWSSSS !!!!*
19:17	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:17	hoodedice	We know you do
19:17	Peacock	prestotron if you could find a sane way to do colored lights or slopes in nodeboxes, that would help
19:18	hoodedice	I suggest you should look around unofficial core dev in the forum for now
19:18	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:18	hoodedice	Or that movement thingy VanessaE was talking about
19:18	hoodedice	What was that about duplicating stuff?
19:18	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:19	Peacock	yep, so far it's stumped everyone
19:19	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:19	hoodedice	Ya
19:19	hoodedice	Hacky stuff that ain't core
19:19	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:19	Evergreen	PilzAdam: Putting ":" in front of the registration of the tool is not replacing the default tool
19:19	hoodedice	Like being able to look at yourself @PilzAdam
19:19	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:19	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:19	hoodedice	No
19:20	hoodedice	You look down, you see your chest and arms and stuff
19:20	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:20	hoodedice	This: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5397
19:20	hoodedice	Now go ahead and make it less hacky
19:20	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:20	hoodedice	And more smooth and stuff
19:21	hoodedice	Yeah why not
19:21	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:21	Evergreen	PilzAdam: Putting ":" in front of the name is not replacing thje default item
19:21	Evergreen	*the
19:21	hoodedice	Tackle the beast that PilzAdam couldn't and prove your worth.
19:21	Peacock	one things' for sure, you dont become core by asking for it, you have to actually do stuff :p
19:21	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:21	hoodedice	You could become President in one Pull request
19:21	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:21	hoodedice	You'll have to patch it into the engine
19:21	VanessaE	"movement thingy"?  *looks confused*
19:22	hoodedice	That moving nodes replicating VanessaE
19:22	VanessaE	only entities replicate
19:22	hoodedice	It had some technical name
19:22	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:22	hoodedice	ya that
19:22	VanessaE	ho ho
19:22	VanessaE	that'll be fun to fix :P
19:22	hoodedice	Linux build, see the download page
19:22	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:22	Evergreen	Whoops, nvm
19:22	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:22	hoodedice	It will, just get the right one
19:23	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:24	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:24	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:24	hoodedice	Solve it
19:24	hoodedice	Be a core dev
19:25	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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19:26	khonkhortisan	it's easy to only be a contributer
19:27	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:28	PilzAdam	Evergreen, have you added default to depends.txt?
19:28	Evergreen	I said nvm, I figured it out
19:28	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:28	PilzAdam	Prestotron562, you cant contribute to the Minetest engine if you cant compil
19:28	khonkhortisan	I never got an assignment like that
19:28	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:29	hoodedice	Presto, Compile Ubuntu
19:29	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:29	hoodedice	sudo apt-get update
19:29	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:29	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:29	hoodedice	Ya why not?
19:29	khonkhortisan	Why would you compile your os?
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19:29	hoodedice	Why would you not
19:29	khonkhortisan	because I don't have to
19:29	hoodedice	You can't trust Canonical
19:29	sfan5	khonkhortisan: I have compiled linux 3.11 today
19:29	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:29	hoodedice	Linux for workgroups
19:29	hoodedice	lol
19:30	khonkhortisan	I don't like boot menus, graphics drivers, or kernels :)
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19:30	hoodedice	I love the Terminal
19:30	khonkhortisan	my computer goes into complete text mode when they break
19:31	khonkhortisan	I like my terminal, as long as it has window decorations
19:31	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:31	khonkhortisan	can't lock what?
19:31	Peacock	ctrl-alt F2/F7 is pretty handy when shit freezes
19:31	khonkhortisan	what can't lock what?
19:31	khonkhortisan	killall -9
19:31	FreeFull	I haven't set X11 up to start automatically
19:31	khonkhortisan	neither have I, yet it does
19:31	hoodedice	Discussion - Mir
19:32	Peacock	i thought it was kill -9 <pid> ?
19:32	khonkhortisan	then you need top
19:32	khonkhortisan	if you already know the program name you can just type killall -9 firefox
19:32	Peacock	killall <name> is what i use when the desktop is still responsive lol
19:32	khonkhortisan	kill -9 `pidof minetest`
19:32	Calinou	me neither, FreeFull
19:33	Calinou	*I* didn't do it.
19:33	Calinou	:>
19:33	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:33	ShadowNinja	/bin/kill -s KILL `pidof minetest`
19:33	khonkhortisan	is the same as killall -9 minetest, if you only have one running
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19:33	khonkhortisan	is kill not in your path?
19:33	ShadowNinja	Or /usr/bin/kill rather.
19:33	hoodedice	Presto, get back on my main email
19:33	hoodedice	*gmail
19:34	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:34	hoodedice	I will explain everything in detail
19:34	ShadowNinja	khonkhortisan: Bash has a builtin version of kill with less features.
19:34	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:34	hoodedice	gmail.
19:34	khonkhortisan	bleh
19:34	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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19:34	khonkhortisan	alias kill='kill'?
19:34	hoodedice	Too mainstream
19:34	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:34	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:34	khonkhortisan	should be able to override it
19:34	hoodedice	I'll do that now
19:34	khonkhortisan	I never noticed, I use the bash version
19:34	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:34	khonkhortisan	I do not know your email
19:35	hoodedice	G2g , it's 1 AM here, just stayed up to setup Xp on VB
19:35	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:35	hoodedice	I DO !!!
19:35	khonkhortisan	what is it to lock a directory?
19:35	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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19:35	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:35	khonkhortisan	Is this like windows freezing a file when a program is using it?
19:36	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: lock it how?
19:36	VanessaE	oh
19:36	khonkhortisan	this how <Prestotron562> Unable to lock directory.
19:36	VanessaE	like file locking yeah
19:36	FreeFull	Calinou: The distro I am using starts you off with just a terminal and the basics
19:36	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:36	FreeFull	Well, the package manager is considered basic
19:36	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:36	khonkhortisan	file locking and dialogs made modal by the os are annoying
19:36	sfan5	FreeFull: arch?
19:37	FreeFull	sfan5: Yeah
19:37	Peacock	not hardcore enough, i use punchcards to boot up *my* machine :P
19:37	sfan5	crunchbang is awesome
19:37	sfan5	very lightweight
19:37	Peacock	#! ftw
19:37	FreeFull	I used Crunchbang before Arch
19:37	sfan5	runs with 256mb ram
19:37	FreeFull	Got tired of Debian-based distros
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19:37	khonkhortisan	punchcards? Just memorize it and punch the computer
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19:37	Peacock	i used crunchbang, then archbang, and back to crunchbang lol
19:38	Calinou	I never used anything that isn't debian-based
19:38	khonkhortisan	I used qwerty, then dvorak, then programmer dvorak, and back to dvorak
19:38	FreeFull	My first distro was SuSE
19:38	khonkhortisan	I had win95 and suse
19:38	* Calinou	always used azerty
19:38	Peacock	archbang was great for awhile, but i got tired of living in fear that each update would break something lol
19:38	sfan5	^
19:39	* Prestotron562	just got an all caps email
19:39	khonkhortisan	I had an extra kernel directory so my nvidia driver would break on update
19:39	Peacock	i never got an arch update that didn't break something lol
19:39	sfan5	john_minetest: I installed archlinux in a VM and the 2nd update I did broke it
19:39	Peacock	that glibc business a while back was a particular pain in the ass
19:40	Peacock	i just got used to installing new live images of archbang instead of updating lol
19:40	Peacock	when packer stopped working that was pretty much the last straw
19:41	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:41	Peacock	even now i dont update crunchbang often enough because im still stuck in the arch mentality lol
19:42	Peacock	if you have to re-install, then obviously system updates are poorly designed
19:42	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:44	Peacock	its my impression that apt simply has a better handle on in what order to update packages so theres no breakage
19:45	Peacock	and there's just apt, not pacman + <aur helper> to build your desired setup
19:45	FreeFull	Peacock: Xubuntu broke with every second distro update
19:45	FreeFull	On the other hand Arch hasn't managed to break for me yet
19:45	Peacock	thats ubuntu
19:46	Peacock	crunchbang is debian based
19:46	Calinou	I usually reinstall
19:46	Calinou	upgrade 12.10 => 13.04 went fine on my netbook though
19:46	FreeFull	Crunchbang didn't break but everything was outdated
19:46	Peacock	ubuntu patches so much crap im not surprised it breaks or that xfce is slower on it than any other distro
19:46	Prestotron562	[deleted]
19:46	Calinou	it isn't for me
19:47	Calinou	and their patches do some good too
19:47	Peacock	well bleeding edge also means you wait a long time for bugfixes
19:47	Calinou	actually it's the inverse
19:47	Peacock	id rather have slightly outdated software, fewer bugs
19:47	Calinou	the more bleeding edge the quicker the fixes
19:47	Calinou	look at debian stable
19:47	Peacock	let the archers sort out the bugs lol
19:47	Calinou	some bugs are never fixed
19:48	Peacock	meh, okay, so all the distros suck in some way, maybe i should just swith to windows and use some opensource software, as opposed to the inverse :P
19:48	Peacock	*switch
19:48	Calinou	windows is terrible in many ways too
19:48	khonkhortisan	I should make a list
19:49	Peacock	well given the choice between A) completely "libre" B) proprietary OS, some OSS apps, C) OSS OS, some proprietary, id go with C 1st, then B
19:49	jojoa1997	how do i update my local repo with the repo online in github
19:49	Peacock	A involves joining a cult :P
19:50	khonkhortisan	git checkout master; git pull?
19:50	Peacock	or an asylum
19:50	khonkhortisan	or git push myrepo branch?
19:50	khonkhortisan	rain falling horizontally is just ugly
19:52	Peacock	shouldn't it fall sortof, diagonally?
19:53	khonkhortisan	I mean you look sideways, the rain is falling down as a vertical line. You look up, and the rain turns with you.
19:53	Peacock	i wonder how lightning could be done
19:53	Peacock	oh yeah, dont all mobs do that?
19:54	Peacock	wait, does rain use sprites or particlespawnser?
19:55	proller	khonkhortisan, something wrong with particles
19:57	khonkhortisan	what?
19:57	khonkhortisan	rain uses particlespawner
19:58	khonkhortisan	I combined the three commits into one for the rebase
19:58	proller	i have lot of garbage in console
19:58	proller	and squares instead rain&snow
19:59	Peacock	squares?
19:59	proller	khonkhortisan, need protocol versioning
19:59	proller	Peacock, broken textures
20:00	khonkhortisan	Do I put that in the pull request, or as a label?
20:00	proller	khonkhortisan, you cant simply sdd writeU8(os, vertical);
20:00	proller	add
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20:05	khonkhortisan	Are the squares from connecting to a server without this commit?
20:07	werwerwer_	noob question: what's the difference between "0.4.7 minetest" and "0.4.7 minetest v6" on this page http://servers.minetest.net/ ?
20:07	khonkhortisan	v6 sounds like the map generation, as opposed to v7
20:08	werwerwer_	so i don't need to do anything on client side to play on v7 or v6 server?
20:08	khonkhortisan	but on that page it appears to mean there's a mod list on-hover.
20:08	sfan5	no
20:08	proller	khonkhortisan, yes, old server. new client
20:09	werwerwer_	ok, thanks
20:10	khonkhortisan	so I just change #define LATEST_PROTOCOL_VERSION 21?
20:11	proller	no! you must make version checks
20:11	proller	in send and read
20:12	proller	it must be compatible in both ways
20:12	proller	old client+new server and old server+new client
20:12	khonkhortisan	ok
20:15	proller	ups, yes, you need to increase LATEST_PROTOCOL_VERSION
20:16	proller	ups x2
20:17	proller	no need before release
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20:26	Evergreen	Do you know what linux lacks?   Good video editors
20:26	Peacock	a unified audio solution that just works
20:26	Calinou	ITT: "Linsux"
20:26	Calinou	Evergreen: make one then
20:26	Peacock	flawless integration of prop. video and wireless drivers
20:27	Calinou	after effects isn't even good
20:27	sfan5	good night everyone
20:27	Evergreen	Calinou: you have no idea what you are talking about
20:28	Peacock	works for you != works for everyone
20:28	Peacock	(i get so tired of hearing that line lol)
20:28	Evergreen	openshot is okay, kdenlive is okay, but it isn't good at all
20:28	Calinou	there are some decent editors around
20:29	Peacock	audacity is pretty good for audio editing
20:29	Evergreen	No, I said video editors.  :P
20:29	Peacock	just finding a good video capture/webcam capture program is a pain lol
20:30	Evergreen	I haven't ever tried blender vse though
20:30	Peacock	being proprietary is neither here nor there, bad software exists in both camps :P
20:30	Evergreen	Blender does have a built in video editor
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20:32	Evergreen	I never have tried it before, I might want to look into it
20:32	Evergreen	Blender is awesome btw
20:32	STHGOM	+4093
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20:37	khonkhortisan	blender doesn't have pure video editing
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20:49	Peacock	found out why blender is missing the collada format, debian disabled it for lack of libreness lol downloading blender from website now
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20:51	thexyz	install gentoo, you can control level of libreness there
20:52	Peacock	i seriously wish the libtards had better things to do lol
20:52	Peacock	gentoo would take too long to install :/
20:52	Calinou	don't use "retard" as an insult
20:52	Calinou	most people that you call "libtards" are actually clever
20:52	Peacock	uhm, plenty of people use the term retard here, and worse terms
20:53	thexyz	Calinou means you should use other terms
20:53	Peacock	pilzadam and jordach use the term retarded liberally, you refer to faggots, why should my language be more reserved?
20:54	PilzAdam	what?
20:54	thexyz	because inequality -(
20:54	PilzAdam	Peacock, what do you mean=
20:54	PilzAdam	*?
20:54	Prestotron562	[deleted]
20:55	Prestotron562	[deleted]
20:55	thexyz	forums will probably lag a bit more the next 24 hours
20:55	Peacock	you use the term "retarded" no?
20:55	PilzAdam	no
20:56	VanessaE	PilzAdam: incorrect.
20:56	Peacock	http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-05-22#i_3101438
20:57	VanessaE	I count three such usages in my logs
20:57	Peacock	http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-05-16#i_3091449
20:57	VanessaE	(going back to aug. 29)
20:57	VanessaE	(of 2012)
20:58	Peacock	http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-07-02#i_3175193
20:58	Peacock	i say either you apply the rules universally and indiscriminately, or not at all
20:59	PilzAdam	VanessaE, that are answers to NekoGloop, who apperently uses it very often
20:59	NekoGloop	?
20:59	Peacock	http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-03-24#i_2951665
20:59	PilzAdam	NekoGloop, http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2012-08-29#i_2463792 http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2012-08-29#i_2465568
21:00	Peacock	hmm seems to use "retarded" the most according to google lol
21:00	NekoGloop	heh
21:00	NekoGloop	both are you bashing windows
21:00	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:01	Peacock	pilzadam http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-08-05#i_3239679
21:01	VanessaE	Prestotron562: get a faster computer :(
21:01	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:01	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:01	VanessaE	(really though, get a better video card, and turn off as much of the fancy stuff as you can stand)
21:01	VanessaE	e.g. turn off fancy leaves, smooth lighting, shaders, etc.
21:02	VanessaE	andmake sure you're using the appropriate driver for your video card.
21:02	PilzAdam	Peacock, hmm.. thats probably due to lack of better vocabulary
21:02	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:02	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:02	PilzAdam	Prestotron562, search it with ixquick.com
21:02	Peacock	http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2012-11-12#i_2629304
21:03	khonkhortisan	minetest accepts money?
21:03	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:03	VanessaE	Prestotron562: send it to me.  I could use the money...it won't go toward MT development though :D
21:03	khonkhortisan	I couldn't use the money
21:03	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:03	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:03	PilzAdam	Prestotron562, I wouldnt tell you if you cant find it
21:04	VanessaE	Prestotron562: I'm joking.  Any such funds would go toward buying clothes :D
21:04	PilzAdam	*tell you to search it
21:04	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:04	VanessaE	none, don't send any to me
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21:04	VanessaE	JEIJA!
21:04	VanessaE	*pounce*
21:04	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:04	Jeija_	VanessaE!
21:04	VanessaE	haha
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21:04	khonkhortisan	@me, a recurring amount.
21:04	PilzAdam	hey Jeija_
21:04	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:04	VanessaE	I've been wondering about you :)
21:05	khonkhortisan	I have awoken the sleeping with my pull request
21:05	Jeija_	Hi everyone :)
21:05	khonkhortisan	hi Jeija
21:05	Jeija_	I've just been on vacation
21:05	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:05	VanessaE	Jeija_: did you enjoy it?
21:05	Jeija_	lol
21:05	khonkhortisan	if you like mesecons, you like jeija
21:05	Jeija_	Yeah, but there was hardly any internet ;)
21:05	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:05	iqualfragile	wtf? jeija??
21:05	thexyz	Peacock: those aren't rules; Calinou just asked you to be kind to people who develop software for you
21:06	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:06	iqualfragile	Jeija_: wtf happened where did you go?
21:06	Peacock	libtards/libre/free software != open source
21:06	iqualfragile	in case you intend to come back: enjoy your stay
21:06	Jeija_	Got some other projects, and for the last 3 weeks i was in France
21:06	Peacock	they make a big deal out of the distinction themselves
21:06	thexyz	Peacock: then you aren't better than them
21:07	Jeija_	I can't promise anything yet
21:07	Peacock	no i just got better things to do than advocacy
21:07	Peacock	im pro opensource, but the libre crowd annoy the fuck out of me
21:07	thexyz	very probably
21:08	Peacock	like removing the collada plugin from blender, im not being more libre as a result, i just download blender from the main site instead
21:08	khonkhortisan	I feel like asking someone to do something I could do myself
21:09	werwerwer_	mods installed on server are downloaded automatically when i connect to server?
21:09	khonkhortisan	you don't download the mods.
21:10	PilzAdam	werwerwer_, kinda, you dont need to install anything on the client
21:10	khonkhortisan	You download the textures, node/item definitions
21:11	khonkhortisan	You can't connect to a server, then use a mod from it in your local server, only part of it is sent.
21:12	Peacock	john_minetest don't know, thought it was a bug, looked up the bug reports, debian removed the plugin because its not libre enough
21:12	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:13	* Prestotron562	commits to less hacky "See your own player"
21:13	khonkhortisan	where is that?
21:14	Peacock	dunno, but if they forced trisquell on everyone, linux user base would be 5% what it is now lol
21:15	Peacock	id seriously rather go back to running a prop OS with some oss bits before going down that road lol
21:15	Peacock	stallman, doesn't work, doesn't bathe, doesn't matter lol
21:16	MinetestBot	GIT: Jeija commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Upgrade CC-BY-SA License to 3.0 09be8af517 2013-09-07T14:15:21-07:00 http://git.io/yz23UA
21:16	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:16	Peacock	ugh, wireless = batteries
21:17	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:18	Peacock	biggest problem i have is finding english keyboards in QC
21:18	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:20	PilzAdam	no
21:20	PilzAdam	we have QWERTZ
21:20	Peacock	quebec keyboards are still qwerty, but they move a bunch of other keys around
21:20	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:21	MinetestBot	GIT: Jeija commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Add LICENSE.txt c3082f6601 2013-09-07T14:20:17-07:00 http://git.io/qAwywg
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21:21	PilzAdam	Prestotron562, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/German-T2-Keyboard-Prototype-May-2012.jpg
21:22	khonkhortisan	arghh!!!!
21:22	PilzAdam	sfan5, why does MinetestBot show commits to mesecons?
21:22	PilzAdam	either only do it for minetest/minetest and minetest_game or for all of my mods too
21:22	khonkhortisan	I have a commit that changes the protocol. I started an old server/client, recompiled with my commit, started a new server/client, and the second client gets 'con::ConnectionBindFailed'
21:23	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:23	PilzAdam	khonkhortisan, always add stuff at the end of serialization, then you can catch the exception in the client
21:23	PilzAdam	and old clients wont even notive anything
21:23	PilzAdam	Prestotron562, and Ä Ö Ü ß
21:23	khonkhortisan	I can't even start my second client, and my protocol only affects particles
21:24	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:24	khonkhortisan	aha! minetest fails to start when minetestserver is on 30001
21:24	Peacock	tried xbmc yesterday, video and audio still suck compared to vlc lol
21:25	Peacock	you'd think they'd want to be better
21:26	khonkhortisan	... typing 2 on numpad in the client port gets a nil value in builtin/mainmenu.lua:488
21:27	VanessaE	bbl
21:28	khonkhortisan	ooh. 14:28:04: ERROR[main]: Access denied. Reason: Another client is connected with this name. If your client closed unexpectedly, try again in a minute.
21:28	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:29	khonkhortisan	These are two clients connecting to two servers hosting two maps. How do they know about each other?
21:29	PilzAdam	khonkhortisan, with different ports?
21:30	khonkhortisan	yes, sometimes.
21:31	khonkhortisan	I changed the port, checked public serverlist, it changed back to the first port.
21:31	khonkhortisan	so I change my answer to no.
21:32	Peacock	that happens to me too
21:32	Peacock	i type 30012, and it starts on 30000
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21:38	Peacock	i also get reports from users who say they get wrong password warnings even though they haven't set one :/
21:38	proller	khonkhortisan, do not use 30000-30010 if you want more than one server-client
21:39	Peacock	but mine isn't on
21:42	Peacock	idc whether or not people set passwords, so long as they chose a username that doesn't annoy lol
21:43	Peacock	my whitelisted people do set passwords obviously :P
21:43	Peacock	freebuilders can do whatever they want
21:45	proller	PilzAdam, why i sometimes hit in beds spawn list? without bed touching
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21:56	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:57	iqualfragile	Prestotron562: that is what you get for using filthy filthy linux
21:57	Peacock	lol
21:57	Peacock	all os's freeze
21:58	khonkhortisan	thrashing
21:58	Peacock	i blame this guy http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090316132359/batman/images/1/11/MrFreezeArniesch.jpg
21:58	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:59	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:59	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:00	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:00	khonkhortisan	just fill up your memory and swap
22:00	khonkhortisan	use VE's texture pack at full size
22:01	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:01	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:02	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:02	khonkhortisan	everykitten
22:02	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:03	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:03	khonkhortisan	is it a journaling filesystem?
22:04	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:04	khonkhortisan	hitting the power line increases the power
22:04	khonkhortisan	the router, fridge, dish/clotheswasher, oven, microwave, tv, vaccuum cleaner, etc run off power
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22:05	khonkhortisan	I think that could be done.
22:06	khonkhortisan	Lightning pole, computer connected to that and power, a test circuit that overclocks the cpu exactly when the lightning hits, constant extreme cpu cooling, normal power source for rest of computer.
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22:08	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:08	khonkhortisan	then what would be left to talk about here? help, mods, and dev would already be covered
22:09	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:10	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:13	khonkhortisan	Façade has a french c
22:14	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:15	khonkhortisan	BRAAAAP
22:15	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:15	khonkhortisan	ping. ping. pingpingpingpingping.
22:15	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:15	khonkhortisan	ping.
22:15	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:15	khonkhortisan	<beep> ok then
22:16	khonkhortisan	I have one for someone highlighting me, but I never hear it
22:16	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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22:16	khonkhortisan	xchat, I also have pidgin, konversation, and irssi.
22:16	imthescatguy	guys
22:16	imthescatguy	i need help
22:17	imthescatguy	i recently got minetest
22:17	imthescatguy	and i played a bit
22:17	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:17	khonkhortisan	I can't scat the help to you :)
22:17	imthescatguy	now when i launch it and open a world
22:17	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:17	imthescatguy	on the cmd it says pier 2 failed to emerge player
22:17	imthescatguy	on singleplayer
22:17	imthescatguy	when loading a world
22:17	imthescatguy	or something like that
22:18	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:18	khonkhortisan	this? Server: khonkhortisan: Failed to emerge player (player allocated to an another client)
22:18	imthescatguy	windows
22:18	imthescatguy	no its singleplayer
22:18	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:18	imthescatguy	its pier 2 or something
22:18	imthescatguy	i just wait?
22:18	yyamiyyugi	What (if anything) would I need to take into account differently from minecraft to this If I were building a computer to host a server (ex. Do I need more/less RAM, Better CPU, etc.?)
22:18	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:18	imthescatguy	i cant load a world....
22:18	khonkhortisan	If it doesn't stop, and you never connect, then it's a problem
22:18	imthescatguy	how long should it last usually
22:18	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:19	imthescatguy	ill try opening a world
22:19	khonkhortisan	if it's a perfect connect it shouldn't happen at all
22:19	imthescatguy	weird
22:19	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:19	imthescatguy	its singleplayer
22:19	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:19	imthescatguy	my pc is a custom build with 12 gigs of ram so i dont see any problems
22:19	khonkhortisan	ooh 12
22:19	yyamiyyugi	I'm going to be building one
22:19	imthescatguy	and wired internet
22:19	khonkhortisan	I really have to visit the computer store
22:19	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:19	imthescatguy	ill launch a world
22:19	yyamiyyugi	I Haven't bought any parts yet
22:20	imthescatguy	ok i will after i test
22:20	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:20	khonkhortisan	If you're going to have mobs, you'll need more resources. If all the stuff in your world is static, you only need to worry about the players.
22:20	yyamiyyugi	I would only need players
22:21	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:21	imthescatguy	it says peer_id=2 failed to emerge player
22:21	imthescatguy	ok
22:21	khonkhortisan	I disagree with that
22:21	khonkhortisan	minetest-dev would kick for that
22:21	yyamiyyugi	and it would be a limited map
22:21	khonkhortisan	normally it's the person who would actually kick you that gives the warning
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22:24	khonkhortisan	is minetestbot still kicking flooders? I forgot about that
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22:30	yyamiyyugi	Wb
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22:45	werwerwer_	operations in inventory are synced with server every mouse click?
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23:06	Fungus_	Could someone walk me through installing a texture pack? I have downloaded the zip I did not extract or do anything yet I don't want to mess this up. I would like to install so anyone who joins my world can see it.
23:08	Fungus_	Hello? Is anyone around tonight?
23:08	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:08	Fungus_	Hello
23:08	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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23:08	Fungus_	Can you walk me through installing a texture pack? I have downloaded the zip I did not extract or do anything yet I don't want to mess this up. I would like to install so anyone who joins my world can see it.
23:08	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:08	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:08	Fungus_	Great
23:09	khonkhortisan	installing a texture pack is slightly easier than installing a mod
23:09	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:09	Fungus_	Lets do this then. Woot Woot
23:09	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:10	Fungus_	But I have joined other servers with different texture packs
23:10	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:10	Fungus_	WIndows
23:10	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:11	Fungus_	So can you help me? I have seen other servers with different packs
23:11	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:11	Fungus_	Awesome
23:11	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:12	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:12	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:12	Fungus_	Well lets began
23:12	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:12	Fungus_	Tell me what to do.
23:12	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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23:13	Fungus_	Okay
23:13	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:13	Fungus_	Everything but IRC is closed
23:13	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:13	Fungus_	check
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23:15	Fungus_	Check
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23:15	Fungus_	and just the one I am working on and I play on some multis
23:15	Fungus_	I just want to do this for my own world
23:16	Fungus_	Yes
23:16	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:16	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:16	Fungus_	Yes
23:16	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:16	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:17	Fungus_	check
23:17	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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23:18	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:18	Fungus_	Just downloaed the zip
23:19	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:19	Fungus_	Let me check
23:19	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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23:19	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:20	Fungus_	Nope, its still the same
23:20	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:20	Fungus_	Where do I put the texture pack folder
23:20	Fungus_	Yea
23:20	Fungus_	I did not even extract the folder yet
23:20	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:21	Fungus_	Okay I am in textures folder
23:21	Fungus_	I have two folders base and pack
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23:22	Fungus_	o.4.7
23:22	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:23	Fungus_	I am extracting the folder
23:23	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:24	Fungus_	Okay, yes you helped a bit
23:24	Fungus_	Take care
23:24	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:24	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:25	Fungus_	Okay
23:27	Fungus_	Does anyone else want to try>
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23:35	imthescatguy	fail
23:36	imthescatguy	anyone good at moding?
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23:36	imthescatguy	anyone good at modding?
23:37	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:37	imthescatguy	og
23:37	imthescatguy	ok
23:37	imthescatguy	well
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23:37	imthescatguy	i god a mod
23:37	imthescatguy	got
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23:38	imthescatguy	wrong button
23:38	imthescatguy	i have a mod
23:38	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:38	imthescatguy	and it didnt work, so i renamed it, still doesnt work
23:38	imthescatguy	i looked in the file
23:38	imthescatguy	and it has no init.lua
23:38	imthescatguy	its the nature pack
23:39	Prestotron562	[deleted]
23:39	imthescatguy	ok
23:39	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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23:39	imthescatguy	bye
23:59	PilzAdam	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=109524#p109524
23:59	PilzAdam	if you think like this then you need a doctor

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