Time Nick Message 00:40 yyamiyyugi Hello, This question may be dumb, but I was looking at a mod and it said it requires "farming (minetest) 00:41 yyamiyyugi *" is that a seperate mod or somthing? 00:41 yyamiyyugi ^^hit enter before I finished typing 00:44 ShadowNinja yyamiyyugi: Farming is in the default game now. 00:44 ShadowNinja Not sure if it is in stable. 00:46 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, it is in 0.4.7 00:48 yyamiyyugi ok, Also I have ran into a couple mods where it failes to load and run the "init.lua" file for the mod, is this a common problem? 00:49 yyamiyyugi *fails 00:49 PilzAdam yyamiyyugi, look at debug.txt 00:49 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5073 00:49 Exio4 night 00:51 yyamiyyugi The Debug says the same thing as the console? 00:51 ShadowNinja yyamiyyugi: If you are running 0.4.7 a number of mods require a recent dev version as it has been a while since the last release. Or your modders are lazy and don't test their code before pushing it. 00:51 yyamiyyugi oh, so I need to look for an older version then? 00:52 Exio4 newer 00:52 PilzAdam yyamiyyugi, there are thousands of reasons why a mod would fail to load and run 00:52 PilzAdam the mod authors need the info from debug.txt to find and fix the possible bug 00:54 yyamiyyugi so post on the bugs and problems or the mod post? 00:55 PilzAdam the mod topic 00:55 yyamiyyugi ok, will do 00:55 yyamiyyugi Thanks 00:55 VanessaE bbl 00:57 yyamiyyugi oh XD PilzAdam It's your nether mod that i'm having the problem with 00:57 PilzAdam then you can use pastebin and give me the link here 00:57 yyamiyyugi ok one sec 00:58 yyamiyyugi http://pastebin.com/gHhYTbWB 00:58 yyamiyyugi thats what it says in the Debug/console 00:58 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6450 01:00 yyamiyyugi so a folder is named incorrectly? 01:00 PilzAdam yes, the mod folder needs to be called "nether" 01:01 yyamiyyugi wow, I feel stupid 01:01 yyamiyyugi Thank you again for the help 01:09 khonkhortisan How do I escape a singlequote in markdown? 01:13 khonkhortisan meh I read it already 01:23 Peacock finally, got the whipped cream, the car battery, and cheese grater :D 01:24 proller khonkhortisan, please rebase vertical_particles 01:43 PilzAdam bye 01:44 hoodedice Hey 01:44 hoodedice In my whois on irc 01:44 hoodedice How do I hide my IP that shows up after the @ 01:59 ShadowNinja hoodedice: Get a cloak or use tor. 02:00 hoodedice Mortal language? 02:00 yyamiyyugi so a server has to have the mods not the client? 02:00 hoodedice I know tor, but what is this strange contraption called 'cloak'? 02:00 ShadowNinja If you use a cloak make sure you use SASL. 02:00 ShadowNinja A cloak is also known as a VHOST or Virtual Host. 02:01 ShadowNinja A fake host/ip. 02:01 hoodedice Oh that ! 02:02 hoodedice Talk about it to someone who's lived in the UAE, when Skype was banned 02:03 hoodedice Well, I found it on freenode, guess it's the same thing you did 02:05 khonkhortisan mods are loaded by the server 02:06 hoodedice So... 02:49 leo_rockway hoodedice: you can get a generic cloak. Ask in... #freenode I believe. 02:49 leo_rockway mine is "unaffiliated" 02:49 hoodedice Doing that 02:49 leo_rockway cloaks are usually used for projects. 02:49 hoodedice I'm at freenode, but there are no staffers around 02:49 leo_rockway it's Friday night. They're probably getting drunk o.o 02:50 hoodedice lol 02:55 khonkhortisan if I wore an affiliated cloak I would be advertising in other channels 02:56 khonkhortisan rebasing vertical particles, I got the player name as the texture 02:57 khonkhortisan ah, just a missing argument 03:00 leo_rockway I've been trying MC lately. There's not a lot of stuff I miss when going back to MT. I do miss the responsiveness of MT when playing MC, though. 03:01 hoodedice ... 03:01 leo_rockway mobs, running and water pushing the player. Those would be the features i miss. 03:01 khonkhortisan responsiveness is a good thing 03:01 hoodedice Thy shalt not play Minecrap 03:01 leo_rockway I have to play with "short" rendering distance in MC 03:01 khonkhortisan How don't we have running? 03:01 leo_rockway I can see everything the light touches, it's our kingdom in MT. 03:02 leo_rockway khonkhortisan: we have "running" privilege. 03:02 hoodedice Press j or k 03:02 leo_rockway which is off by default. 03:02 hoodedice Walk with e pressed 03:02 leo_rockway and it doesn't have a pretty FOV o.o 03:02 khonkhortisan Which program is running missing from? 03:02 hoodedice ? 03:02 hoodedice SWAT 4 doesnt have running 03:02 leo_rockway just comparing the running feature from MC and MT. I like the way MC does it better. 03:03 khonkhortisan ah, I thought it was the other way 03:03 hoodedice Ofc, when we reach 1.0.0 03:03 hoodedice We'll be better than MC 03:03 leo_rockway yes, MT is WAY better with responsiveness 03:03 hoodedice *When we* 03:03 leo_rockway which matters more to me. 03:03 leo_rockway I'm just anxious >.< 03:03 leo_rockway I really want mobs. I play survival. Not much to do in survival in MT right now. 03:03 hoodedice v7 is already a better mapgen (citation needed) 03:04 khonkhortisan I really want a cross-server worldedit, I play creative mesecnos. 03:04 leo_rockway I like MT mapgen. I have no complaints there. 03:04 hoodedice C++ is already a better codebase 03:04 leo_rockway mhm 03:04 leo_rockway I dislike Java. 03:04 khonkhortisan I dislike svn. 03:04 hoodedice And lua is already a non-hacky simple to use awesomeness redefined modding lingo 03:05 leo_rockway I just want mobs already :S 03:05 khonkhortisan lua is missing the C++ 3d math 03:05 hoodedice brb 03:06 hoodedice back 03:06 hoodedice YAAAAY !! I got cloaked ! 03:06 leo_rockway indeed 03:07 hoodedice So I can change nicks and bug people now *Muhahahaha* 03:07 hoodedice Sup, Pea? 03:07 Peacock wifi interference lol 03:09 khonkhortisan You joined as your ip, then as your cloak, then as your cloak. 03:09 Peacock who me? 03:09 khonkhortisan hood 03:09 khonkhortisan one join late on noticing the cloak 03:10 Peacock wifi analyzer says best channel 14, but the router only goes up to 12 :( 03:10 hoodedice ooh 03:11 hoodedice I miss shawarma *Sob* 03:11 * khonkhortisan (~khonkhortisan@unaffiliated/khonkhortisan) has joined #minetest 03:11 * khonkhortisan has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 03:14 leo_rockway oh, I definitely miss shift+click when crafting stuff. I like that feature from MC. 03:14 Peacock dont know who this BELL738 fella is, but i'll have to get Worf to find him and kill him XD 03:14 Peacock honor is at stake 03:15 Peacock there are like 4 networks on the same channel lol reception must be greeeat 03:16 hoodedice Someone hacked your wifi? 03:16 Peacock not hacked, just too much interference from too many near networks 03:17 Peacock whats a good wifi analyzer for linux? 03:19 leo_rockway wireshark o.o 03:19 leo_rockway but that's probably not what you're looking for 03:20 Peacock well i need something better than android's, it keeps recommending a different "best channel" on every scan lol 03:22 leo_rockway swscanner, maybe 03:22 leo_rockway but that might be more for wardriving. 03:22 leo_rockway and I never used it 03:25 khonkhortisan I saw one that had an arc for each signal 03:47 hoodedice I just wanted to make an icon pack 03:47 hoodedice Never knew it was so much work to just set up ! 03:47 us|0gb I didn't even know Minetest had icon packs. Are those new? 03:50 hoodedice Offtopic : Android dev 03:55 us|0gb SO you're making an Android icon pack? That sounds cool. 03:55 us|0gb *So 04:01 Peacock smartphones suck :p 04:05 khonkhortisan dumbphones blow :b 04:08 us|0gb I like land line phones myself. 04:09 Peacock 3 years of android and im ready to go back to dumbphones lol 04:12 Peacock no wonder my wifi sucks, some douche is operating a hotspot in the pub downstairs 04:13 Peacock (same channel) 04:14 [0gb_us] Oh, that's fun. 04:14 Peacock well im using his/her's now, had an easier time connecting to that one lol 04:14 [0gb_us] More powerful signal? 04:16 Peacock guess so, my router's not the most expensive model lol got it on sale for 20$ 04:17 Peacock bought it for my last employer actually, but they never reimbursed me so i left with it lol 04:18 [0gb_us] Did they use it while you were there? 04:19 Peacock store needed one - though considering i was still missing my christmas pay 3 months after the holidays, i didn't trust them to pay me back for the router either lol 04:22 hoodedice Not my icons 04:22 hoodedice Just making the apk 04:44 hoodedice I now understand. 04:45 hoodedice If an application takes too long to load, even on ubuntu 04:45 hoodedice It's high time you switch to an SSD 05:16 nore hi all 05:17 khonkhortisan hello 05:17 OldCoder Hi 05:17 VanessaE hi 05:17 khonkhortisan rebasing a branch to master is much easier when the branch only has one extra commit 05:26 * OldCoder will attempt to build the new MT shortly 05:27 VanessaE OldCoder: it'll build just fine, whether that leveldb patch still works, idk :) 05:29 OldCoder We shall see soon 05:36 nore I didn't understand what is leveldb for? 05:38 VanessaE nore: a more robust database backend than what we use now (sqlite) 05:38 nore when you say more robust, you mean, not limited by map size? 05:38 OldCoder nore, Hi... 05:38 OldCoder nore, Yes 05:38 VanessaE less prone to errors, faster 05:38 nore hi OldCoder 05:38 OldCoder It removes the 4GB limit and is faster and has less corruption 05:39 OldCoder nore o/ 05:39 VanessaE OldCoder: recall it isn't so much a limit as a point at which glitches are likely 05:39 VanessaE (the effect is the same though) 05:39 nore and why is it so complicated? 05:40 VanessaE nore: it isn't. the patch for it sat around forever before anyone decided to give it sufficient attention, now it has to be rebased 05:40 sfan5 khonkhortisan: it dependson the size of the commit 05:40 VanessaE nore: same old story really 05:40 sfan5 hi everone 05:40 sfan5 *everyone 05:40 VanessaE hey sfan 05:40 nore moreover, it doesn't work on all OSs does it? 05:40 OldCoder sfan5, Hi 05:40 nore hi sfan5 05:40 OldCoder nore, You are corret 05:40 OldCoder correct * 05:40 OldCoder I will convert my worlds to SQLite3 for export to Windows 05:40 OldCoder But the home base ought to be scalable and reliable 05:41 nore You read in my mind ;) You answered to question I was going to ask 05:41 OldCoder Very well 05:42 OldCoder sfan5, You asked me a question earlier... I had to go into several hours of meetings... There is a well-known MT network problem that makes media load at a crawl. Therefore people hate Ambience. But some think it is good. 05:43 VanessaE OldCoder: kahrl is working on that. http_fetch 05:43 Peacock switch to midi music :p 05:43 OldCoder Peacock, VanessaE thanks 05:43 sfan5 thats not an MT network problem, but try remote_media 05:43 OldCoder * sfan5 suggests mesecons and worldedit rights for approved people 05:43 sfan5 Peacock: minetest can't read midi 05:43 OldCoder All right ^ sfan5 05:43 VanessaE sfan5: remote_media in its current state is unreliable. 05:44 sfan5 VanessaE: I know.. 05:44 kahrl yeah httpfetch includes lots of improvements to remote_media support 05:44 OldCoder sfan5, It is said to be a MT problem; in fact C55 and I discussed solutions. But thank you. 05:44 Peacock personally i dont like background music, the more you play, the more redundant it gets 05:44 kahrl it doesn't change the minetest protocol based media fetch at all 05:44 OldCoder Peacock, I will provide worlds of both types 05:44 sfan5 even if its unreliable it is faster 05:44 OldCoder And there ought to be an option to turn it on or off 05:44 VanessaE sfan5: no, I mean completely unreliable - as in texture files get lost, too 05:45 sfan5 OldCoder: ..forget the "thats not an MT network problem, but " part 05:45 Peacock you could turn off music with a chat cmd and a simple table[user], though everyone still downloads the songs 05:46 kahrl there are games that don't have a set soundtrack but actual streaming radio 05:47 OldCoder git://github.com/minebest/minetest.git 05:47 OldCoder Will this get me LevelDB now? 05:47 kahrl I mean the DJs still keep playing the same music but they wouldn't have to :P 05:47 OldCoder Yep 05:47 Peacock well, when i play i either got tv or music playing on the other computer, though that doesn't need to be builtin to mt 05:48 OldCoder Shall I git clone the standard repo? 05:48 kahrl yeah you could just run a VLC in background 05:48 OldCoder Ambience has sound effects 05:48 OldCoder Not just music 05:49 Peacock id say keep the sound effects, toss the music, much lighter that way 05:49 OldCoder Possible 05:49 sfan5 OldCoder: "git://github.com/sfan5/minetest" "git checkout leveldb" 05:49 OldCoder sfan5, proceeding t y 05:49 OldCoder I know you posted the link before; thanks for reposting 05:49 Peacock if leveldb gets merged, what happens to old worlds, will there be a converter, or theyll both be supported? 05:50 OldCoder Peacock, Both SQLite3 and LevelDB are supported but I convert SQLite3 worlds 05:50 OldCoder And I convert them back when people wish copies 05:50 Peacock is that easy to do? 05:51 OldCoder Pretty easy 05:51 OldCoder Slow but simple 05:52 OldCoder sfan5, I did the two commands; 2nd one in the minetest folder created by the first 05:52 OldCoder Do I need to do something else to pull the branch? 05:52 sfan5 OldCoder: what does the first line of "git status" say? 05:53 OldCoder # on branch leveldb 05:53 sfan5 perfect 05:53 sfan5 if "stat src/leveldb" succeeds everything is right 05:53 OldCoder The sources came in with the initial clone? 05:53 OldCoder Checking 05:53 sfan5 yes 05:53 OldCoder The folder is there 05:54 OldCoder I shall attempt the build now; excuse me 05:54 sfan5 don't forget "-DENABLE_LEVELDB=1" when building 05:54 OldCoder Yes 05:54 OldCoder I will indicate problems. bbiab. 06:07 VanessaE can someone tell me why I don't follow hackaday? there's some really cool shit on this site. 06:07 * VanessaE just watched a few-years-old video of a guy making his own vacuum tubes. 06:07 [0gb_us] Maybe because you are too busy? 06:08 Peacock im watching news bloopers lol 06:08 OldCoder Compiled MT... I assume I need to clone the latest MT "game" 06:08 VanessaE yes 06:08 [0gb_us] I just compiled too for an experiment. Which failed, by the way. 06:09 VanessaE but get my game ( http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/VanessaE_Game.tar.bz2 ) and make this tweak: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=99717#p99717 ..if you really wanna stress-test it :D 06:09 VanessaE (recommend a value of 0x7fff for the tweak) 06:10 OldCoder VanessaE, Is your game generic? I will add it later 06:10 VanessaE OldCoder: definitely not 06:10 OldCoder Wait then 06:10 VanessaE it's quite full-features, though it lacks any sort of "direction" as others here might define it 06:11 OldCoder Why is minetest_game only 16KB? 06:11 VanessaE I get 5.3M for the whole repo 06:11 VanessaE (including all of the history) 06:12 OldCoder Why is minetest_game only 16KB? 06:12 OldCoder Is this correct? 06:12 VanessaE about 3M without the history, so no 06:12 VanessaE no clue why unless you didn't clone it right? 06:13 OldCoder It unzips fine 06:14 VanessaE ehm 06:14 VanessaE I never use the zip 06:14 OldCoder I wgetted the C55 master ZIP 06:14 [0gb_us] I usually wget the .tar.gz. 06:14 OldCoder Link? 06:14 VanessaE oh no 06:14 VanessaE not the c55 one. 06:14 OldCoder Comment further 06:14 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game 06:14 VanessaE this one. 06:14 OldCoder Wait then 06:15 VanessaE (and this one for the main repo, https://github.com/minetest/minetest ) 06:15 OldCoder sfan indicated use his one 06:15 VanessaE c55's isn't the master repo anymore 06:16 OldCoder ZIP is now 1MB 06:16 [0gb_us] Do you know where air, ignore, and unknown are defined? The stuff in nodedef.cpp seems to not be the real definition. 06:16 nore [0gb_us], in misc_register.lua, IIRC 06:17 [0gb_us] The stuff in the lua isn't it either, and it points me at the C++. 06:17 VanessaE OldCoder: 1MB sounds better 06:17 OldCoder Working on this 06:17 OldCoder I assume all the mods will break 06:17 [0gb_us] If I overwrite the stuff in Lua, the server ignores most of it. 06:17 nore there is minetest.register_node(":ignore",...) 06:17 nore etc 06:18 sfan5 OldCoder: are you using sfan5/minetest and minetest/minetest_game ? 06:18 OldCoder Yes 06:18 [0gb_us] I tried that. That isn't it. If I change those definitions in that Lua file, the game ignores my changes. 06:18 nore what did you try to change? 06:19 [0gb_us] I tried making ignore walkable and visible, as well as a few other things I forget. 06:19 [0gb_us] I did the same to air as a test, still no dice. 06:20 nore / Don't allow redefining ignore (but allow air and unknown) 06:20 nore This is a comment in nodedef.cpp 06:21 [0gb_us] As in it doesn't allow redefining from Lua, right? But I also tried redefining in nodedef.cpp. If the original data is in that file, it should have worked. 06:22 nore And modifying both? 06:22 [0gb_us] Yeah. 06:24 sfan5 would an 8x8 grid for 8 bytes memory using mesecons be compact? 06:24 nore look at itemdef.cpp 06:24 [0gb_us] I'm looking at that file right now. 06:25 nore sfan5, do you mean 8x8 horizontally? 06:25 sfan5 yes 06:25 nore with no luacontroller? 06:25 sfan5 with lua controller 06:25 [0gb_us] I don't know what a luacontroller is. 06:26 sfan5 [0gb_us]: like a microcontoller in mesecons, only programmed in lua 06:26 [0gb_us] OH! Sorry, wrong conversation, my bad. 06:26 VanessaE [0gb_us]: basically a micro controller that runs Lua in a sandbox 06:26 [0gb_us] Yeah, I've seen those. I was thinking of a C++ Lua something. 06:26 nore IIRC, I did 6x4 for 1 bit of memory without luacontroller, that can be used in RAM 06:27 nore with luacontroller, I reckon I can make 2x3 for 1 bit of memory 06:27 sfan5 nore: I can do 1x1 for 1 bit 06:27 VanessaE challenge: using pistons, mese lamps, and solar panels, make a small amount of core memory :) 06:28 VanessaE (like the flipdot thing I saw on hackaday recently) 06:28 nore sfan5, this includes the input and adressing to make a tileable RAM 06:28 sfan5 nore: mine is tileable too you just need to add an address decoder 06:29 nore what I usually do is to add mese blocks vertically, and a decoder at the top 06:29 nore I made very compact decoders too 06:33 Peacock to when ze binary mesecons be done? 06:34 nore ? 06:34 sfan5 nore: 8 bytes memory http://i.imgur.com/grKFxqs.png 06:35 VanessaE sfan5: um...daytime? :) 06:35 VanessaE still, nice 06:35 Peacock i mean, any plans to built-in the basic wiring logic? 06:35 nore sfan5, do you know where ignore is defined? 06:35 sfan5 signal is transferred (per luacontroller) Pin D -> Pin B and Pin A <-> Pin C 06:35 VanessaE Peacock: it would be nice, but afaik there are no active plans for suc 06:35 VanessaE such* 06:36 nore you mean merging mesecons in minetest_game? 06:36 sfan5 if you power one line on the left the 8 luacontrollers in the line will output their state to pin b 06:36 nore I reckon it would be good 06:36 VanessaE sounds almost like RAS/CAS addressing 06:36 sfan5 if you power one line on the right the 8 luacontrollers in the line will set their state to pin d 06:37 nore sfan5, I see how it works 06:37 Peacock the nodes and machines and shit would still be lua side, but the logic itself built-in could be reused for all sorts of wires/pipes and stuff 06:37 sfan5 nore: how do you build a small address decoder? (I know how to do one, but not small..) 06:38 nore FYI, I use 1 Y-level for each bit in the address 06:39 nore and if you want to see one, look at my computer in the mesecons competition 3.0 06:39 sfan5 I need a horizontal one 06:39 nore sfan5, 1 Y-level high, or can it be multiple? 06:40 sfan5 multiple but the outputs need to be on the ground 06:40 nore the idea is to make it tileable 06:40 nore the lowest levels are the hardest to do 06:42 nore and is there any condition for the spacing of outputs? 06:42 * OldCoder continues to work on update 06:42 khonkhortisan pong proller any more to rebase? 06:46 nore sfan5? 06:51 OldCoder nore, VanessaE, sfan5... as expected I will need to tidy up mods... PANIC unprotected error in call to LUA API. This happens in craft_guide for Zegaton. 06:51 OldCoder Comments? 06:52 VanessaE I use technic's craft guide, but it's also busted (it, or the engine, is screwing up the actual recipes being reported/displayed) 06:52 OldCoder Fine; so just drop it? 06:52 VanessaE some of your users might complain.. 06:52 OldCoder What is the recommendation? 06:53 VanessaE imho drop it for now 06:53 OldCoder Dropped it and now MESECONS panics 06:53 VanessaE re-install later when a working version is found/made 06:53 OldCoder This is likely to take a few weeks :-) 06:53 VanessaE just update mesecons 06:53 OldCoder proceeding 06:53 Peacock these dang craft guides never seem to work for long lol 06:55 OldCoder VanessaE, do you still recommend rm -fr mesecons_commandblock? 06:55 VanessaE I don't have that on mine, imho it's not really safe to use 06:56 OldCoder yes 06:56 nore sfan5, I have a 2 Y-level high version, with 2 nodes width for each adressing bit, and outputs next to one another 06:56 VanessaE butidk how well-sandboxed it is 06:56 VanessaE it may be safe now 06:56 nore VanessaE, it is not craftable for now 06:57 nore and it can only run commands the owner has privileges for 06:57 sfan5 nore: spacing: each one right next to eachother 06:58 nore for the outputs or the inputs? 06:58 sfan5 outputs 06:59 nore ok, it is done 06:59 sfan5 inputs would be nice but is not needed 06:59 nore I fear it is not possible for inputs 06:59 nore or we need vertical gates 07:00 sfan5 no ,its ok 07:00 nore FYI, the last adressing level is different from the others, so there is 1 more space 07:03 OldCoder Hmm. I updated mesecons and still getting a panic. Reviewing further. 07:04 OldCoder Ah 07:05 nore http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?ac602a737dc21248#M3yI5vDcgzDzf1yxr+1wccFA27YeoHeENBlKII0LYYA= 07:05 nore sfan5: ^ this is a WE schematic 07:06 sfan5 :P You don't need to tell the creator of WorldEdit that it is a WE schematic 07:06 nore you have 2 levels of decoder, for the following ones, just do like the second level 07:07 OldCoder Has cornernote's craft_guide been updated by anybody? 07:07 VanessaE zeg9's is only a couple months old 07:08 VanessaE https://github.com/Zeg9/minetest-zcg/commits/master 07:08 VanessaE ( https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=108355#p108355 ) 07:08 VanessaE note its depends 07:08 OldCoder Sapier has done it 07:08 OldCoder Hm 07:08 OldCoder Looking at Zeg9's 07:10 Peacock how many craft guides are there? 07:10 sfan5 !c 2^3 07:10 MinetestBot 8 07:11 Peacock damn lol why not just 1 built-in that actually works, attached 'g'? lol 07:12 VanessaE Peacock: would be nice, for sure 07:13 Peacock i dont get though why registered crafts doesn't work 07:13 VanessaE dunno 07:13 VanessaE something broken about how groups are interpreted I guess 07:13 Peacock weird 07:13 Peacock well you can always edit builtins' register_craft to make a table of crafts for the guide 07:13 VanessaE homdecor recipes register black dye for example, but show as needing LIME in the craft guide 07:14 Peacock so why not just copy and store the craft tables at register? 07:15 VanessaE when last I knew there was no graceful way to capture everything 07:16 khonkhortisan the way to capture everything is to load last 07:17 khonkhortisan ingracefully 07:17 Peacock hrmpf, register_craft aint in builtin 07:18 Peacock well, you can always store minetest.register_craft to another variable, overide it, copy the craft, then call the original function (that you put in another var) 07:19 VanessaE that would work provided you could get your hook in ahead of *everything* else 07:19 VanessaE else you'll miss some recipes 07:20 nore yes, so you should call the mod aaa_whatever 07:20 VanessaE technic's craft guide used to have such a thing 07:20 Peacock stick it in builtin, i assume that loads before any of the mods 07:20 VanessaE it was deprecated when the get-craft-recipes call was added to the API, and for a while, that worked pretty well 07:20 VanessaE (I think) 07:20 Peacock for a while :P 07:20 VanessaE then something..... broke.\ 07:21 Peacock now we gots a dozen broken craft guides lol 07:22 Peacock either way i stopped bothering coming up with crafts after a 100 or so nodes lol 07:22 khonkhortisan you either have to be first or last, or depending on what you're doing, both. 07:22 Peacock heck i cant even remember my own address, and ive only had four of those in the last few years lol 07:23 VanessaE nore: in fact technic's hook was aaa_recipeshook 07:24 nore sfan5, did it work? 07:25 sfan5 yes 07:26 nore what will you be doing with it? 07:26 Peacock god hates me https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7777300992/h417D6DE4/ 07:26 VanessaE heh 07:26 sfan5 address decoder for the memory 07:27 nore and wait, it should be possible to make it even smaller with luacontrollers... 07:27 khonkhortisan lolhaha nice cloud 07:27 khonkhortisan I saw the light rays first though 07:27 nore sfan5, but what is that memory for? 07:27 sfan5 dunno 07:27 sfan5 I'll see 07:29 Peacock boneless watermelon https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7771085824/h93CB000C/ 07:29 OldCoder Looks like I'll need to update a lot of mods... falling asleep... will try this over the next few weeks 07:29 OldCoder Night 07:31 e1z0 good dayĄ 07:31 e1z0 good day!* 07:32 Peacock i think thats goodnight :P 07:38 e1z0 how to run minetest in directx mode ? 07:42 sfan5 e1z0: "video_driver = direct3d9" in minetest.conf 07:42 e1z0 oh 07:42 e1z0 thanks 07:43 e1z0 i'm learining the source code of minetest, maybe some day i will make fork of it 07:43 e1z0 :| 07:48 Peacock i will make spoon of minetest :D 07:49 e1z0 hmm 07:49 e1z0 it says that directx support was not compiled 07:49 e1z0 do i need directx sdk, and recompile mintest for that ? 07:53 VanessaE think I'll head off to bed. night all. 07:53 Calinou night VanessaE 08:13 OldCoder Back for a couple of minutes before asleep. Should I update Technic or did RBA branch in some way that is not compatible with current? 08:13 OldCoder Zzz 08:14 Calinou night OldCoder 09:01 xiong Please help with flowers; I don't understand a bit of them. I know I can convert them into dyes but I'm at wits end to understand propagation. 09:05 xiong Is it not possible to grow flowers? Am I limited to gathering wildflowers? 09:50 * Calinou tips horn 10:00 xiong Hi. 11:29 FreeFull xiong: I think you just have to plant the flowers and wait for them to spread 11:32 xiong Planted. Been waiting. No joy. 11:34 nore Flowers don't spread IIRC 11:34 nore hi Jordach! 11:35 xiong They do generate somehow. Not all flowers were created at time of chunk creation, I think. My area is overgrown with reds and no matter how many I take, I see more. 11:36 nore sorry, they do 11:37 nore each 50 seconds and with a 1/25 chance for each flower, it will spread if the conditions are met 11:37 xiong Ah... conditions? 11:38 xiong Tell me about these conditions. Even better, point me to some docs. 11:38 nore https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/flowers/init.lua#L138 11:38 nore from there to the end of the file 11:38 xiong I'm starting to get pretty annoyed at the no-docs policy. 11:38 xiong That's not docs; that's code. 11:39 xiong The policy is based on the theory that if you want to play the game, you need to learn how to develop the game. 11:39 nore yes, but there is nothing else ;) 11:39 FreeFull xiong: That's not really true 11:39 nore and the code is pretty self-explainatory 11:39 nore and we need people to write the wiki... 11:39 FreeFull It's pretty easy to play minetest without ever developing it 11:40 xiong There is something else; it's called "documentation" and you should write it as you write the code. Now I need to say I have a few decades of engineering experience and no matter what I build, I write and draw documentation for it. 11:40 nore but to be simple, the conditions are: 11:40 nore light level >=13 11:40 nore less than 3 flowers in a 4 nodes radius 11:41 nore no flower-blocking node in that radius 11:41 xiong Okay, that second condition is the tricky one. So it's impossible to grow the things densely; and in fact you want to leave huge room around each starter plant. 11:41 KikaRz !seen Telek 11:41 KikaRz anyone seen telek around here? 11:42 nore when I say less than, it is less than or equal, including the flower that is growing 11:42 xiong That's the key, Nore; thanks. I'll rearrange my fields. In fact, due to the huge land requirement, I'll look to push this off to a new and distant field. 11:43 nore KikaRz, I did not see him, nor did MinetestBot 11:43 xiong Well, put a starter every 5 meters, because it's easier to count that way; and be prepared to thin frequently. I'll work it out. 11:44 xiong Thanks again, I can't wait. Unfortunately I'm off quarrying desert stone. 11:44 nore and about flower blocking nodes, I do not know any of these 11:44 xiong I got iron ore in desert stone just now. In many months of play I have never, ever gotten ore in desert stone. 11:44 nore xiong, what mods have you installed? 11:45 xiong Well, let's just say I'll avoid everything except air. 11:45 Jordach xiong, gloopores adds that 11:45 nore flowers need grass to grow 11:45 xiong Eh? Oh, sorry, this is the general channel. I got the iron in King Arthur's. 11:46 xiong I'm going to think you mean dirt_with_grass. 11:46 nore yes, of course 11:46 xiong I'm sure it'll be a snap, now that I understand about the requirement for sparse planting. 11:47 xiong What's the maximum amount of mods anyone has been able to run at one time? 11:48 xiong Some must be incompatible so I won't ask if anyone has ever run "all" together. 11:50 nore there is no real maximum, but you need to change the max number of defined nodes in the code if you really want to add a lot of mods 11:51 xiong Hm. There may be no limit but there must be a greatest number that have actually been run at one time without smoke spilling from the vents. 11:51 xiong No matter; it's an idle question. 11:53 xiong I'd rather talk about "lag". That's the popular name for it but of course network latency is not really the issue. No matter what's done, it will be possible sometimes to perform enough actions quickly enough that you have to wait for the server to catch up; and that's not really a problem nor is it much correctable. 11:54 xiong What concerns me is "lagback", where an action is taken away and never performed at all; or taken away and then eventually performed after all. Is anybody working on this core issue? 11:54 xiong I don't know but I smell the influence of someone whose day job is writing financial transactions code who thinks in ACID terms. 11:56 xiong I know there's no money in this but it's impossible for me to see an engineering issue and not think about it. 12:04 KikaRz where is telek? :( 12:06 Evergreen I just posted my 1000th post on the forums. Yay 12:07 KikaRz Yay. Now what? Want a cookie? 12:07 KikaRz -.- 12:09 Evergreen Aww.... 12:09 Jordach Evergreen, IRC more often, it's boring without you :( 12:09 Evergreen Thank you, I guess 12:09 * Calinou has 816 billion cookies 12:09 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 12:09 Evergreen I just have been forgetting to go on irc, idk why 12:10 Evergreen Hi PilzAdam 12:10 Jordach Evergreen, have you made tools for faithful 12:10 Evergreen Yes, quite a while ago actually 12:11 Jordach Evergreen, i had some 32x tools in my own repo 12:11 Evergreen Link? 12:11 Jordach https://github.com/Jordach/Faithful_Minetest_Texture_Pack 12:11 * Jordach did it first 12:12 Evergreen I might They are nice textures, but "faithful" isn't really the word to describe the tools 12:12 Jordach Evergreen, i just fucked up on the axes 12:13 PilzAdam Evergreen, nice, you have 1000 posts now 12:13 Evergreen Don't get me wrong, the tools are nice, but they aren't really faithful to default 12:13 Evergreen Thanks PilzAdam 12:18 Calinou there are no lollipops... 12:19 Jordach > a little bit of ms paint. 12:19 Jordach I AM DISSAPOINT. 12:19 * Jordach spotted john_minetest playing on VE-Survival 12:20 Jordach who's 12:20 Jordach it doesnt even support modern minetest, last commit was 8 months sgo 12:20 Jordach ago* 12:21 PilzAdam Jordach, wut? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=109440#p109440 12:21 PilzAdam "rewrite the nodeboxes" why? 12:21 Jordach PilzAdam, because Graphics Engine differences 12:22 Jordach not to mention different co-ord conversions 12:22 thexyz anyone with a spare 1gbps server? 12:22 Jordach nope nope nope 12:22 PilzAdam Jordach, why would you change the API if you switch the graphic engine 12:22 thexyz for a day or two 12:22 PilzAdam doesnt really make sense to me 12:23 Jordach PilzAdam, nodeboxes are explicitly tied to Irrlicht 12:23 PilzAdam so what? write a wrapper to support the current format 12:23 PilzAdam no need to break mods 12:24 Jordach PilzAdam, you expect someone to write a wrapper that's not hacky in anyway 12:25 Jordach it's too much effort for something that may not bring performance bonuses 12:26 Jordach thexyz, what are you planning 12:27 thexyz record ~7k web cams for 24 hours 12:27 Jordach oh 12:27 thexyz though 1 gbit wouldn't be enough 12:27 Jordach heh 12:39 Evergreen I really should play on VanessaE's survival server more 12:39 Evergreen It's a great server 12:40 Jordach Evergreen, WOOOO 12:41 Evergreen Something completely off-topic, I am getting about 500 million cookies per second in cookie clicker now. :P\ 12:41 Jordach holy shit 12:41 Evergreen Clickers cost abot 3 trillion cookies now 12:41 Calinou 500 million? O_o 12:42 Calinou did you keep your PC up 24/7 or use a JS clicker 12:42 Calinou I use xdotool to click when I'm not doing anything else 12:42 Calinou I have 66 million cookies/s 12:42 Evergreen It does it automatically, so I don't have to do anything except leave it going 12:42 Evergreen Are you on the classic or the new cookie clicer 12:42 Evergreen *clicker 12:42 Jordach|MT Evergreen, check your window of minetest 12:43 Evergreen It's not done loading the media yet 12:43 Jordach|MT oh 12:43 Calinou the new one 12:43 Calinou a clicker would boost the cookies you make in one second 12:43 Calinou you can still click if you gain automatic cookies 12:44 Evergreen I get about 16 millino cookies per click now 12:44 PilzAdam it crashed for me a while ago and I had no recent save 12:44 PilzAdam :-/ 12:51 proller Game.cookiesPs=99999999999999999999; 12:58 nore xdotool is actually very useful... :p 12:59 Calinou yep 12:59 * Calinou has 1000 billion cookies 12:59 * Calinou buys upgrade 13:02 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:03 Calinou hi 13:03 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:04 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:05 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:06 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:06 Calinou in france you almost never use a aftermarket router 13:06 Calinou you use a "box" that your ISP gives you 13:08 MinetestBot john_minetest: zeg9 was last seen at 2013-09-05 16:32:26 UTC on #minetest 13:12 * sfan5 doesn't have the last 10 achievements in cookie clicker (including shadow ones) 13:12 sfan5 Game.Achievement {id: 70, name: "Cheated cookies taste awful", desc: "Hack in some cookies.", icon: Array[2], won: 0…} is the one you can't get without cheating 13:14 Jordach|MT Evergreen, i don't need ores 13:14 Evergreen There are so many freakin ores on her server 13:15 Jordach|MT Evergreen, want Gold Chests; they're HUGE 13:15 Jordach|MT and they're lockable 13:15 Evergreen I logged out, I'll come bakc on later 13:15 * Jordach|MT probably won't be here 13:17 Jordach|MT made two gold locked chests; come grab em 13:17 sfan5 !op 13:17 NekoGloop sfan is now over powered 13:18 sfan5 !deop 13:18 NekoGloop yay :3 13:18 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:19 sfan5 NekoGloop: ><(((º> 13:19 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:19 Jordach|MT Prestotron562, use Ubuntu 13:19 * NekoGloop noms the fishy :3 13:19 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:19 Jordach|MT Prestotron562, or a broken USB port 13:19 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:19 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:20 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:20 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:20 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:20 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:21 sfan5 !help 13:21 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md 13:21 Jordach|MT !halp 13:21 Jordach|MT sfan5, ^ 13:21 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:22 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:22 Calinou yes 13:22 Calinou but not in repos 13:22 sfan5 yes 13:22 Jordach|MT Prestotron562, ubuntu has xchat by default with the identical interface 13:22 sfan5 you could just use XChat 13:22 Calinou so you gotta compile it yourself or use a PPA 13:22 * john_minetest puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head 13:22 * NekoGloop purrs >w< 13:22 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:22 Jordach|MT yes 13:22 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:22 sfan5 NekoGloop: ><((((((((º> 13:23 * Evergreen dumps a bucket of raw fish on NekoGloop's head 13:23 * NekoGloop noms the big fishy~ :3 13:23 Jordach|MT ><((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((º> for NekoGloop 13:24 * sfan5 builds a fish generator using mesecons and solar panels 13:26 FreeFull Long fish is long 13:26 sfan5 s/longcat/longfish/ you say? 13:27 FreeFull Yes 13:28 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:28 Jordach|MT look under internet 13:28 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:29 Calinou sudo apt-get install xchat 13:29 Calinou the end 13:31 Evergreen I use quassel, it is quite nice 13:31 Evergreen 'I am running ubuntu with unity fyi 13:32 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:32 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:33 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:33 Calinou reduce sensitivity in mouse settings 13:33 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:34 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:35 Morrolan It has been packaged for several distros, and included in their repos. 13:35 Calinou an old version 13:36 Morrolan (I was quite astonished when I found out.) 13:36 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:36 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:36 Morrolan 0.4.7 is what's packaged, I thought? 13:38 sfan5 IIRC its 0.4.4 or even older 13:38 Calinou 0.4.6 iirc 13:39 Exio4 no idea in ubuntu 13:39 Exio4 but sid has 0.4.7 13:39 sfan5 .. 13:39 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:39 sfan5 the Ubuntu Software Center has 0.3.1 13:39 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:39 Exio4 http://packages.debian.org/sid/minetest 13:40 sfan5 Prestotron562: thats because linux doesn't have all shit installed your computer manufactor installs on windows 13:40 Morrolan sfan5: Huh, I was under the assumption that the software center was just a fancy frontend to apt. Guess I'm wrong. 13:41 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:41 Morrolan Oh, Ubuntu's repos just contain outdated versions. Boo! 13:41 Calinou blame debian 13:41 Morrolan Just that Sid has 0.4.7. :P 13:42 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:42 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:42 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:43 Morrolan Calinou: What Linux distro do you use, again? :P 13:44 Morrolan I only remember a few which you don't like. *snrk* 13:44 Calinou Xubuntu 13.04 13:44 Morrolan Ah. :) 13:44 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:44 Calinou yes 13:44 Calinou except if DLLs are involved 13:45 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:45 Morrolan xChat is identical to what? :) 13:46 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:46 Morrolan Ah, xChat Linux to xChat Windows? 13:46 Morrolan Ah. 13:46 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:46 Morrolan Just buy a new one. :P 13:46 Morrolan What does it do, anyway? 13:47 Calinou what laptop do you have, Prestotron562 13:47 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:47 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:47 Morrolan Heh. 13:47 Morrolan Time for a new one, then. :) 13:47 Morrolan Warranty? 13:48 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:48 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:50 Prestotron562 [deleted] 13:51 Calinou if you don't want your battery to die, shut it down 14:19 OldCoder john_minetest, Hi. I rebuilt MT last night. Not changing running servers yet. It appears I need to update lots of mods. 14:19 dysoco Not checked Minetest in a couple months, anything new? 14:19 OldCoder dysoco, A new release IIRC 14:20 OldCoder And LevelDB is now available 14:20 Exio4 dysoco: depends of what you mean by new? 14:20 Exio4 there is a changelog, http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog 14:20 OldCoder john_minetest, I will be online for the day in an hour or two. Comments from people in #minebest on mods will be helpful. 14:20 dysoco no idea really, haven't played a lot 14:20 Exio4 and a commit log, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commits/ 14:23 dysoco Oh you can drown now 14:23 dysoco I remember you were talking about that last time I checked it 14:24 PilzAdam !dev Changelog 14:24 PilzAdam MinetestBot? 14:24 dysoco Yeah don't worry, already got the links 14:24 MinetestBot sfan5: !dev is broken! 14:25 sfan5 !dev Changelog 14:25 sfan5 ... 14:25 sfan5 MinetestBot! 14:25 MinetestBot sfan5! 14:26 Exio4 lol 14:32 dysoco I was just taking a look at this Trillek thing... the project itself looks interesting, but they want to roll their own Engine, their own Math library and there's discussion of using Haskell for the server-side 14:32 dysoco they are a bit... optimistic 14:33 Exio4 haskell is nice 14:34 dysoco I think that too 14:34 Exio4 and if they have some free years, they can do it 14:34 dysoco but they have, how many, 50 developers? How many of those developers know Haskell fluently? 2? 3? 14:34 Evergreen Hey everyone, I need some 16x better than default sword textures 14:36 PilzAdam dysoco, trillek.org is not very informative: e-mail adresses are hidden, the wiki cant be read without creating an account, the blog has 2 entries, both are not about the game 14:36 PilzAdam I have the feeling that I am not wanted there 14:37 dysoco PilzAdam, they are focusing so much on this DCPU thing and the web that there's no a single line of code for the Engine in the main repo yet 14:55 dysoco what does everyone use as editor/IDE to work on Minetest? 14:55 dysoco I'm trying to set up KDEvelop but... ugh 14:56 PilzAdam I use a simple text editor with syntax highlighting and CLI gcc 14:57 dysoco yeah I was going to use Emacs, but for big projects I prefer an IDE, makes it a bit easier to browse 14:57 MinetestBot john_minetest: xkcd: Real Programmers 14:57 dysoco a classic 14:59 dysoco Dev-C++, I used that years ago when I started. 15:00 dysoco I thought it was dead? There's a fork but not sure if it's still alive 15:06 dysoco hm, main.cpp could use some refactoring, the the_game function is huuge. 15:09 Exio4 dysoco: do you mean http://dev.minetest.net/Code_style_guidelines#Don.27t_let_things_get_too_large 15:10 dysoco I guess 15:11 ShadowNinja dysoco: Yes, everyone knows. Someone just has to actually fix it. 15:31 PilzAdam Im in that article! 15:31 * PilzAdam is so famous 15:31 Exio4 PilzAdam is everywhere 15:32 Exio4 he is behind rarity tho 15:32 Exio4 you aren't the most-known pony yet /o\ 15:32 PilzAdam D: 15:34 Exio4 :D 15:34 Exio4 rarity > pilzadam 15:34 Exio4 "try to search a cheap intel mobo for the cpus" 15:34 Exio4 lel 15:34 * PilzAdam clops Calinou 15:34 Exio4 amd fanboy \o/ 15:34 * Calinou tips his horn 15:38 PilzAdam can someone stop this spamming already: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=109156#p109156 15:41 ShadowNinja Delete the posts and warn him at least. 15:43 Calinou warned 15:43 Calinou (in PM) 15:46 Prestotron562 [deleted] 15:46 Prestotron562 [deleted] 15:46 Prestotron562 [deleted] 15:47 Prestotron562 [deleted] 15:47 Prestotron562 [deleted] 15:47 Calinou yes 15:48 Prestotron562 [deleted] 15:50 Prestotron562 [deleted] 15:52 sfan5 Prestotron562: use google 15:52 Calinou or startpage 15:52 PilzAdam or ixquick 15:53 sfan5 or duckduckgo 15:53 kahrl or altavista 15:53 PilzAdam or not duckduckgo 15:53 sfan5 or PonyAdam 15:53 Prestotron562 [deleted] 15:55 dysoco askjeeves ftw 15:56 yyamiyyugi Any tips on getting started making mods? (I 15:56 yyamiyyugi *I already found the guide) 15:56 Prestotron562 [deleted] 15:57 Calinou sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras 15:57 * Kacey forgot to bring fish 15:58 Prestotron562 [deleted] 15:59 Prestotron562 [deleted] 15:59 * Calinou never went to it in ~2 years 15:59 Calinou Prestotron562: I think it includes flash 15:59 Prestotron562 [deleted] 15:59 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:00 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:01 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:01 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:01 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:02 Zeg9 Hi! 16:02 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:03 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:06 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:07 Calinou what's that? 16:07 Calinou sounds like bad marketing BS 16:07 Exio4 it is the daemon preload 16:07 Exio4 that loads most-used programs to ram 16:07 Exio4 before you even start them 16:08 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:08 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:09 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:12 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:12 mrtux hello Prestotron562 16:13 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:13 mrtux good. you? 16:13 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:13 mrtux ah 16:14 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:15 mrtux i'm switching to debian in a few days 16:15 mrtux not a big fan of arch 16:15 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:16 mrtux meh never really used it. 16:17 mrtux my first distro was arch 16:17 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:17 mrtux i've used ubuntu server 16:17 mrtux thats about it 16:17 * Zeg9 uses arch. You probably dont care, but I used debian, then ubuntu, then debian, and finally arch. 16:18 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:18 Zeg9 Probably arch, as I'm still using it 16:19 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:19 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:19 Zeg9 It actually looks like what you make of it 16:19 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:20 Zeg9 why can't you install it on your desktop? 16:21 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:22 Zeg9 Why not compiling? 16:22 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837 16:23 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:26 Peacock greetings channel people 16:27 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:27 thexyz so when/where are we going to have another stress test? 16:28 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:28 Calinou it's not like people don't put me down either 16:28 sfan5 its ok 16:29 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:29 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:29 Peacock prostatron, i dont think it's the newbness, just the occasional flooding that irritates :p 16:29 Calinou not neessarily here 16:30 Peacock though nothing tops dan's million-question-marathon lol 16:30 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:30 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:31 Peacock thats why i said occasional :P 16:31 Peacock naw dan its all the time 16:31 Peacock and the same question over and over lol 16:31 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:31 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:32 Peacock i just woke up, i dont feel like rifling through the chat logs :P 16:32 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:32 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:33 Peacock spam is just... spam lol flooding is like rapid-fire questions, or (like dan) posting the same questions over and over 16:33 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:34 Peacock google usually is faster than waiting for a reply here, its always better to ask the questions you can't find the answers too through google 16:34 Peacock *answers to 16:34 sfan5 ^ 16:35 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:36 Peacock usually when people don't answer a question i take it as a cue im using the wrong search terms :P 16:36 Peacock but the info is out there 16:38 yyamiyyugi Can someone help me out with groups? I'm looking at the intro on the wiki (http://dev.minetest.net/Intro) and I clicked on the link in this line "Node (minetest.register_node): A Block from the world" But it says nothing about the different groups only thing I see on there from the Intro is the tiles 16:39 yyamiyyugi The link took me to this page http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_node#Syntax 16:39 Peacock example of groups in default mod 16:39 yyamiyyugi ok 16:39 Peacock https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L550 16:39 yyamiyyugi thank you 16:40 Peacock /doc/lua_api.txt usually has more detailed info on everything 16:41 yyamiyyugi ok, I will use that instead then 16:41 yyamiyyugi thanks for letting me know 16:42 Peacock no prob, if you built from source you should have the file already 16:42 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:43 Prestotron562 [deleted] 16:43 sfan5 github.com/minetest/minetest/issues 16:43 Peacock github /issues 16:43 yyamiyyugi you mean when getting the game Peacock? 16:43 Peacock depends how you got the game, if you compiled you have it, if you used a package manager then im not sure 16:44 yyamiyyugi I used the exe to get the game 16:44 yyamiyyugi (if i'm understanding properly) 16:45 Peacock windows build? then im not sure 16:45 yyamiyyugi ya, windows 16:45 yyamiyyugi I will just copy and paste it to a text file then 16:46 PilzAdam lua-api.txt is in the win build AFAIK 16:46 yyamiyyugi is it? 16:46 PilzAdam yes, just checked 16:46 PilzAdam look in the doc/ folder 16:47 yyamiyyugi yup, there it is, thanks 16:48 Peacock that should match the version you have, the github link is always for the latest version 16:48 yyamiyyugi So I can make an actual game load up from the launcher? or is it more like a modpack? 16:51 Peacock not sure what you mean 16:51 OldCoder Hi. I'm updating from 0.4.4 to 0.4.7. If I'd like to be backwards compatible with existing worlds, should I update Technic or not? 16:52 yyamiyyugi I saw a games loadpath, is that like, seprategames made with the engine or more like modpacks? 16:53 PilzAdam yyamiyyugi, games are modpacks 16:53 yyamiyyugi ok 16:53 PilzAdam *like modpacks 16:57 Peacock wife's latest castle https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=109479#p109479 16:58 OldCoder mrtux, good morning 16:58 OldCoder VanessaE, john_minetest ^ regarding Technic 17:01 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:01 yyamiyyugi so you can combine groups to give different properties to nodes? Like say I wanted a tougher dirt i could make is crumbly=2 and cracky =1? or am I misunderstanding it? 17:02 ShadowNinja OldCoder: Old setups will stop working until they get switching stations. But the stable branch should be safe. 17:02 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:02 Calinou what's that? 17:03 Calinou to use git on linux: sudo apt-get install git 17:03 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:03 PilzAdam no 17:04 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:04 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:04 Calinou it won't 17:04 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:04 Calinou git is a command line program 17:04 ShadowNinja Prestotron562: You want to get latest git on Linux? 17:04 Calinou try typing "git" with no arguments 17:04 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:05 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:05 khonkhortisan terminal is the command window, bash is the command prompt. 17:05 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:05 Calinou that's their proprietary app 17:05 Calinou there probably are GUI git clients around 17:05 Calinou I don't use them and few people do 17:05 OldCoder ShadowNinja, thanks, but not clear; I have a lot of old worlds that use Technic. Should I update Technic or not? 17:06 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:06 OldCoder john_minetest, ^ 17:06 khonkhortisan I've tried git-gui, it might be useful for visualizing a tree 17:06 OldCoder john_minetest, I am starting with Zegaton 17:06 khonkhortisan don't use the full url when commiting 17:06 khonkhortisan git remote -v should have the url listed 17:06 PilzAdam Prestotron562, http://git-scm.com/book 17:06 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:06 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:07 ShadowNinja OldCoder: Yes, the stable branch should work with 0.4.7. And if there are any issues you can always check out a older commit. 17:07 PilzAdam k, see you in 4 hours then 17:07 khonkhortisan you'd git commit, and put in a message. Then you'd git push. If you were on a new branch, you'd git push origin branchname. 17:07 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:07 PilzAdam no, you need to read it 17:07 OldCoder ShadowNinja, I will try it then thanks 17:07 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:07 PilzAdam read the first 3 chapters 17:07 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:08 PilzAdam (of course you free to read more) 17:08 PilzAdam and also try the things out that are explained there, just reading doesnt help much 17:08 Peacock hm, an on_walk_over() field/trigger for nodes would be cool for turning soil to trampled soil and traps 17:09 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:09 khonkhortisan the images do a good job of showing centralized vs distributed 17:12 ShadowNinja Peacock: That would have to be server side. Meaning it would work just about as well as on_globalstep. 17:13 Peacock i could be wrong, but it seems the only solution right now is to run an abm on really low interval and check for entities on top of the node 17:13 Peacock i dont know that on_walk_over() would be any more efficient though 17:14 PilzAdam thats what mesecons does for pressure plates 17:14 IceCraft hello 17:14 Peacock i noticed in farming mod you commented out some code that would turn farm soil to regular soil when people walk on it too 17:15 PilzAdam yes 17:15 Peacock i wanted to rig a sortof trap- grate, but my fps went down a few notches with an abm set on 1 17:15 ShadowNinja Peacock: on_globalstep runs ten times as often as the fastest ABM by default. 17:16 Peacock can you do on_step with nodes? 17:16 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, but it doesnt know the node position, you'd have to run it on players, and that would lag horribly 17:16 Peacock i think i saw somewhere in builtin that abm's are basically on globalstep, id have to reread that code 17:17 PilzAdam no, thats wrong 17:17 PilzAdam minetest.after() is basically on_globalstep 17:17 Peacock oh yeah not abms, minetest.after 17:17 ShadowNinja For each player check if they are on a node and run on_walk_over() if it exists. 17:17 Peacock the no-lag worldedit worked the same way i think 17:18 PilzAdam yea, my WE++ worked with on_globalstep 17:18 Peacock youd basically have to get player pos y-1, check registered_nodes[nn].on_walk_over and run it 17:18 PilzAdam (and then WE copied that) 17:18 Peacock that happens :P 17:19 Peacock much of what i did with multinode was eventually copied too :p 17:19 Peacock except for multiple selections and some of the funkyer shapes 17:20 Peacock though whats the difference with using globalstep and lua's builtin coroutines, did you try both? 17:21 Evergreen I forget, how do I replace a node/tool from the default game? 17:22 PilzAdam Evergreen, register(":name") 17:22 Peacock edit the default mod or overwrite (override?) it 17:22 ShadowNinja Evergreen: Register it again. 17:22 khonkhortisan Registering it again is bad. 17:22 Peacock meh, 17:22 Peacock i do that with half a dozen builtin functions 17:22 khonkhortisan If the default node changes, you are overriding what changed. 17:22 khonkhortisan If you can, load the node exactly as it is, then override part of it. 17:23 Peacock get the nodedef from registered_nodes, and add to it, then re-register 17:23 ShadowNinja khonkhortisan: Ah, get minetest.registered_items[name], change it, and then register that. 17:23 khonkhortisan I made minetest draw diagonal rails, but the carts mod overrides part of default:rail, so I have to add another pull request for carts to change tiles back 17:24 Peacock seems like you could put the direction in the rail's meta 17:24 khonkhortisan Yes, but node tables have a metatable (the horrible __newindex) that allows you to modify variables, but not add any 17:24 Peacock each rail has two directions, so whichever one the cart is sitting on, head in the other 17:25 khonkhortisan rails have straight, (straight and angled,) curved, three-way, four-way, diagonal, and diagonal end. I needed no meta. 17:25 Peacock except for forks and 4-ways, though im assuming theres a switch nearby to tell which way to go 17:25 khonkhortisan ? 17:26 Peacock well you'd just need a table for each nodename list the directions possible 17:26 khonkhortisan all the different rails are a single node. Minetest figures out how they're connected, then draws a different image based on that. 17:27 Peacock dunno, haven't played with carts much honestly 17:27 ShadowNinja I just rewrote two parts of technic that depended on metadata which used unnecessary map space and caused a infinite-posts bug. 17:27 Peacock mostly going on how i worked out flow direction for pipes 17:27 khonkhortisan what is map space? 17:27 ShadowNinja Do not use metadata unless it is necessary. 17:27 khonkhortisan pipes are like mesecons, you place a single node and it turns into other nodes to connect 17:27 Peacock mesecons uses a shitton of metadata, esp. for controllers no? 17:27 ShadowNinja khonkhortisan: Space in map.sqlite or map.db/ 17:27 PilzAdam pipeworks uses meta to get the flow direction? 17:28 PilzAdam meta is ver slow 17:28 khonkhortisan oh, instead of definition space 17:28 Peacock no my pipes uses meta to determine the source of the flowing liquid 17:28 Peacock and the pressure 17:28 ShadowNinja Peacock: No, they don't. 17:28 Peacock my pipes do 17:28 ShadowNinja Peacock: Mesecons doesn't. 17:28 khonkhortisan they don't have to, you can either calculate once and store, or recalculate all the time. 17:28 PilzAdam Peacock, you dont know what your pipes do behind your back 17:29 khonkhortisan I know very well how mesecons works. 17:29 khonkhortisan The power spreads node-by-node 17:29 yyamiyyugi Hey, anyone have any clue why the game can't load my image "modtest_testblock.png"? Code >> http://pastebin.com/u4PmKBrd 17:29 Peacock well, storing the source is kinda of important, otherwise if you get a break in the system, water that flowed one way ends up flowing both ways 17:29 ShadowNinja ^ Recalculating means that things like //set don't mess everything up, and takes half the code. 17:29 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:29 khonkhortisan yyamiyyugi, groups has a double indent 17:29 yyamiyyugi oh 17:29 khonkhortisan but that's not why it doesn't work 17:29 PilzAdam Prestotron562, compile from source 17:30 khonkhortisan is it testBlock or testblock? 17:30 yyamiyyugi testblock 17:30 khonkhortisan you are using the image as if it is testBlock 17:30 Peacock besides i only just recently 6-d'd my building blocks, ill be moving on to pipes soon and probably simplify that code abit too 17:30 PilzAdam yyamiyyugi, is a file called "modtest_testBlock.png" in the texture folder? 17:30 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:30 yyamiyyugi it's called modtest_testblock.png 17:30 yyamiyyugi both code and folder 17:31 khonkhortisan no 17:31 khonkhortisan you are wrong 17:31 khonkhortisan tiles = {"modtest_testBlock.png"}, 17:31 PilzAdam why do you have "B" capitalized in the code? 17:31 ShadowNinja The code uses a capital 'B'. 17:31 yyamiyyugi wow, didn't notice that 17:31 khonkhortisan On any operating system, filenames are either case-sensitive, or it should be assumed they are 17:33 yyamiyyugi ok 17:33 Peacock metas are even more important if you dont want on/off versions of every node, doubly so when you start thinking about hidden/embedded pipes/wires in other nodes 17:34 khonkhortisan interesting 17:35 khonkhortisan the on/off versions take the argument of which one actually takes less space. But meta would be a way to mess with random other nodes 17:35 khonkhortisan a pipe in a pipe 17:35 Peacock my reason for not using on/off versions of pipe is really simple though: the p4 can't handle so many inventory images 17:36 Peacock even though you only have 1 pipe in the inventory, it creates an inv image for all of them, twice as much if you have on/off 17:36 khonkhortisan You should only have one inventory image for a pipe. 17:36 khonkhortisan eew 17:36 PilzAdam Peacock, disable preload item visuals 17:36 Peacock it didn't help 17:36 PilzAdam then you did something wrong 17:36 khonkhortisan leave it off anyway 17:37 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:37 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:38 Peacock w/ preload the inventory images are fucked up, w/o preload, theres a 3-5 lag in loading the inventory 17:38 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:38 Peacock *3-5 sec 17:38 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:39 PilzAdam Peacock, only if you open the creative inventory 17:40 PilzAdam and loading the world is much faster 17:40 ShadowNinja Peacock: You don't need to supply a inventory image for on nodes. 17:41 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:42 Peacock well being able to open the inventory in a timely matter is kinda more important than having on/off nodes to take away one meta field 17:42 Peacock *manner 17:42 Peacock shadow even if you dont provide an inventory image the engine still makes one with the contents of tiles{} no? 17:44 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:44 PilzAdam have you read the README? 17:45 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:46 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:47 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:53 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:53 sfan5 Prestotron562: which line gave you a windows build? 17:54 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:54 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:54 sfan5 which command did you exec 17:54 sfan5 ? 17:54 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:54 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:54 Peacock tabarnacle lol 17:55 sfan5 that doesn't give you a windows build 17:55 sfan5 you are looking at the wrong folder 17:55 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:55 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:56 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:56 MinetestBot GIT: k95leo@gmail.com commited to minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Portuguese) 4a2203413f 2013-09-07T10:55:22-07:00 http://git.io/vYE4AA 17:56 MinetestBot GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (German) 0be633a61d 2013-09-07T10:55:22-07:00 http://git.io/g2afUQ 17:56 MinetestBot GIT: arsdragonfly commited to minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Chinese (China)) 2963f631e3 2013-09-07T10:55:22-07:00 http://git.io/aAf-zQ 17:57 ShadowNinja Peacock: I beleive not. Uberi made a commit to mesecoms that removed inventory images from on nodes to speed up loading anyway. 17:57 Peacock #? 17:57 Peacock i got a shitton of nodes id like to disable images for 17:57 sfan5 Prestotron562: "minetest" in your home folder 17:57 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:57 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:58 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:59 Prestotron562 [deleted] 17:59 sfan5 Prestotron562: please pastebin what the command outputs 18:00 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:00 ShadowNinja Peacock: https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/commit/5b5e919683c2932592a7879fba29c4f2f0289e1c 18:01 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:01 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:01 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:01 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:01 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:01 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:01 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:01 Peacock lol 18:01 sfan5 PLOL 18:01 ShadowNinja Peacock: Seems he just makes them the same so they are only generated once. 18:01 Peacock yeah he didn't disable them, he defined specific images 18:02 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:02 STHGOM WB 18:02 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:02 sfan5 sudo apt-get install cmake 18:02 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:03 Peacock so given only one pipe piece appears in inventory, if i set every other pipe piece to use, say, "light_invis.png" (invisible light texture) then that would reduce the # of inv. images generated? 18:03 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:03 sfan5 yes 18:03 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:04 kahrl Peacock, yes it would 18:04 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:04 Peacock that could be a helluva boost 18:04 Peacock when im finished 6d'ing them, even more 18:10 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:10 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:10 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:10 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:10 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:10 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:10 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:10 sfan5 WHAT THE FUCK 18:10 Calinou do u even pastebin 18:10 sfan5 IS IT SO FUCKING HARD TO USE A PASTEBIN 18:10 sfan5 godamnit... 18:10 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:11 sfan5 !g WHAT THE FUCK IS A PASTEBIN? 18:11 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:11 MinetestBot sfan5: http://pastebin.com/CZKvQLCP 18:11 sfan5 lolwat 18:11 sfan5 MinetestBot: thats not what I wanted 18:11 sfan5 Prestotron562: http://pastebin.com/ 18:11 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:12 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:12 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:13 sfan5 *sigh* 18:13 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:13 sfan5 put the text into the box and click submit and then copy the link from the address bar 18:13 sfan5 ! 18:13 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:13 sfan5 using a pastebin is not compiling 18:13 sfan5 and doesn't have to do a thing with ubuntu 18:14 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:14 thexyz http://showterm.io/ 18:15 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:15 sfan5 yes 18:15 Peacock is there a performance difference by using simpler selection boxes (using 1 block sized selection box vs copying the nodebox def)? 18:16 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:16 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:16 sfan5 your ubuntu is broken 18:16 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:16 sfan5 yes you got it 18:17 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:17 sfan5 try "sudo apt-get install -yf" 18:18 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:19 sfan5 hm 18:19 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:19 sfan5 yes 18:19 sfan5 don't forget sudo in front of it 18:20 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:21 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:22 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:22 sfan5 wait 18:22 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:23 sfan5 "sudo apt-get install libx11-dev libxext-dev" 18:24 KikaRz '-' 18:24 KikaRz My ubuntu vps is broken too 18:24 KikaRz :P 18:24 KikaRz *debian 18:25 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:25 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:25 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:26 sfan5 Prestotron562: eleven not ll 18:26 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:27 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:28 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:28 sfan5 add libxcb1-dev to the command 18:28 sfan5 (at the end with a space before it) 18:29 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:31 sfan5 one instead of l 18:31 sfan5 1 vs. l 18:31 sfan5 there is a difference 18:31 STHGOM download link is wacky: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3015 18:32 sfan5 STHGOM: post that in the topic not here 18:32 STHGOM i dont have forum account/E-mail 18:33 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:34 sfan5 STHGOM: you can post as guest 18:34 STHGOM i can?! 18:34 STHGOM how/ 18:35 sfan5 IIRC yes 18:36 STHGOM ok 18:36 sfan5 Prestotron562: I'll help you later 18:37 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:37 STHGOM bbl 18:38 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:38 sfan5 try adding libx11-doc at the end 18:41 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:48 nore ShadowNinja, btw, there is still a bug with cables 18:49 nore in technic 18:49 ShadowNinja What is it? 18:49 nore cables only connect to machines above them, not next to them or below them 18:49 nore the network works, but there is no visual connection 18:50 ShadowNinja That was intentional, although I removed that condition since it is truer to how the network works. 18:50 ShadowNinja (locally) 18:50 nore you should make something like connect_sides in pipeworks 18:50 ShadowNinja Ideally there should be a rules system like mesecons or ^. 18:51 ShadowNinja Of course that would slow down the network traversal a bit, not sure how much, but probably not much. 18:51 nore and I reckon this would simplify the traverse_network code too 18:51 nore and if we add my optimization, it will not be a problem 18:52 nore and most of the time in lua-to-c calls 18:52 ShadowNinja The travelsal code will probably have to be rewritten for the rules system to work. 18:53 nore I am thinking that we should implement network traversal in C 18:53 nore mesecons use it, technic does, and lots of mods do too 18:53 ShadowNinja require "ffi"? 18:53 nore what's ffi? 18:54 ShadowNinja It is a module that comes with LuaJIT. 18:54 nore what does it do? 18:54 ShadowNinja That would mean depending on LuaJIT of course. It lets you run C[C++?] code. 18:54 Prestotron562 [deleted] 18:55 ShadowNinja nore: http://luajit.org/ext_ffi.html 18:55 nore that would be able to call the API? 18:55 ShadowNinja What do you mean? 18:56 ShadowNinja Oh, get_node and the like? 18:56 nore yep 18:56 ShadowNinja Hmmm, I don't know exactly how that works, maybe it can call the engine's get_node. 18:57 nore but wait, I have an idea: would this allow to do things that would not have been possible with the lua API? 18:57 hoodedice I crashed my windows xp boot thingy 18:58 ShadowNinja Yes, you can definitely call any function in the standard library. 19:00 * nore wonders what he could do with that 19:03 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:03 hoodedice Hello Presto 19:03 hoodedice Is it minetest stable? 19:03 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:04 hoodedice =) 19:04 hoodedice Cool. 19:04 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:04 hoodedice Now, how did you install it? 19:04 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:04 PilzAdam Prestotron562, no offense, but you call what you are doing currently is "contributing"? 19:05 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:06 hoodedice Ya presto 19:06 hoodedice Get to minetest.net 19:06 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:06 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:06 hoodedice click download, scroll down to Ubuntu/Mint, click on it 19:06 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:07 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:07 PilzAdam hoodedice, the PPA wont help him if he want to work on the source 19:07 hoodedice The thing that opens up is called 'launchpad'. It is a bunch of PPAs 19:07 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:07 hoodedice Presto, you want to work on source? 19:07 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:08 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:08 hoodedice Man, you ARE just another 12 yr old =P 19:08 hoodedice See 19:08 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:09 hoodedice Decide what you want to do. Mod, or Dev. 19:09 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:09 hoodedice You sure you can? 19:09 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:10 hoodedice ok. 19:10 hoodedice For deving, PPAs won't help you 19:10 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:10 hoodedice You'll have to 'clone' GitHub for that, and PilzA is better off helping you get into core 19:10 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:11 hoodedice Well, in a simple sense, you have an android phone? 19:11 Peacock how far along is the mesh node thing? 19:11 PilzAdam hoodedice, do you know what tab completion is? 19:11 hoodedice umm, no @PilzA 19:11 PilzAdam type Pa 19:11 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:11 PilzAdam ehm 19:11 PilzAdam Pi 19:11 Peacock mmm, pie 19:12 hoodedice Oooh, but I didn't want to Ping you 19:12 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:12 hoodedice So, in an andriod phone, when you update stuff, all of it updates, right? 19:12 hoodedice Like all apps together, under one app? 19:12 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:13 PilzAdam Prestotron562, just search "ppa" with ixquick.com or so 19:13 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:13 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:13 hoodedice I honestly think you should start with a few simple mods 19:13 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:13 hoodedice So, in Ubuntu, when you click on software update, all your installed apps get updated, provided you installed them system-wide 19:13 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:14 Peacock speaking of nodeboxes, what if we could define each box using vertices instead? (with helpers for the old method) 19:14 hoodedice I don't know anything about core 19:14 hoodedice Ask PilzAdam 19:14 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:15 PilzAdam Prestotron562, compile Minetest first, following the instructions in the README 19:15 hoodedice Then ask VanessaE or RealBadAngel 19:15 hoodedice Yeah, do that first 19:15 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:15 Peacock you could make prostatron president for life of core dev? :P 19:16 nore Peacock, I like that suggestion 19:16 nore dunno if it is doable, thouth 19:16 VanessaE pok what'd I miss? 19:16 VanessaE -p 19:16 VanessaE hi all 19:16 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:16 hoodedice Presto wants to go core dev 19:16 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:16 nore hi Vadtec 19:16 nore hi VanessaE 19:17 nore sorry, I did not type enough before ;) 19:17 hoodedice (So I crashed the Windows XP boot thingy) 19:17 hoodedice *Set up a VBox LIKE A BAWSSSS !!!!* 19:17 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:17 hoodedice We know you do 19:17 Peacock prestotron if you could find a sane way to do colored lights or slopes in nodeboxes, that would help 19:18 hoodedice I suggest you should look around unofficial core dev in the forum for now 19:18 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:18 hoodedice Or that movement thingy VanessaE was talking about 19:18 hoodedice What was that about duplicating stuff? 19:18 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:19 Peacock yep, so far it's stumped everyone 19:19 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:19 hoodedice Ya 19:19 hoodedice Hacky stuff that ain't core 19:19 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:19 Evergreen PilzAdam: Putting ":" in front of the registration of the tool is not replacing the default tool 19:19 hoodedice Like being able to look at yourself @PilzAdam 19:19 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:19 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:19 hoodedice No 19:20 hoodedice You look down, you see your chest and arms and stuff 19:20 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:20 hoodedice This: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5397 19:20 hoodedice Now go ahead and make it less hacky 19:20 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:20 hoodedice And more smooth and stuff 19:21 hoodedice Yeah why not 19:21 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:21 Evergreen PilzAdam: Putting ":" in front of the name is not replacing thje default item 19:21 Evergreen *the 19:21 hoodedice Tackle the beast that PilzAdam couldn't and prove your worth. 19:21 Peacock one things' for sure, you dont become core by asking for it, you have to actually do stuff :p 19:21 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:21 hoodedice You could become President in one Pull request 19:21 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:21 hoodedice You'll have to patch it into the engine 19:21 VanessaE "movement thingy"? *looks confused* 19:22 hoodedice That moving nodes replicating VanessaE 19:22 VanessaE only entities replicate 19:22 hoodedice It had some technical name 19:22 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:22 hoodedice ya that 19:22 VanessaE ho ho 19:22 VanessaE that'll be fun to fix :P 19:22 hoodedice Linux build, see the download page 19:22 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:22 Evergreen Whoops, nvm 19:22 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:22 hoodedice It will, just get the right one 19:23 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:24 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:24 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:24 hoodedice Solve it 19:24 hoodedice Be a core dev 19:25 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:25 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:26 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:26 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:26 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:26 khonkhortisan it's easy to only be a contributer 19:27 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:28 PilzAdam Evergreen, have you added default to depends.txt? 19:28 Evergreen I said nvm, I figured it out 19:28 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:28 PilzAdam Prestotron562, you cant contribute to the Minetest engine if you cant compil 19:28 khonkhortisan I never got an assignment like that 19:28 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:29 hoodedice Presto, Compile Ubuntu 19:29 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:29 hoodedice sudo apt-get update 19:29 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:29 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:29 hoodedice Ya why not? 19:29 khonkhortisan Why would you compile your os? 19:29 hoodedice Why would you not 19:29 khonkhortisan because I don't have to 19:29 hoodedice You can't trust Canonical 19:29 sfan5 khonkhortisan: I have compiled linux 3.11 today 19:29 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:29 hoodedice Linux for workgroups 19:29 hoodedice lol 19:30 khonkhortisan I don't like boot menus, graphics drivers, or kernels :) 19:30 hoodedice I love the Terminal 19:30 khonkhortisan my computer goes into complete text mode when they break 19:31 khonkhortisan I like my terminal, as long as it has window decorations 19:31 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:31 khonkhortisan can't lock what? 19:31 Peacock ctrl-alt F2/F7 is pretty handy when shit freezes 19:31 khonkhortisan what can't lock what? 19:31 khonkhortisan killall -9 19:31 FreeFull I haven't set X11 up to start automatically 19:31 khonkhortisan neither have I, yet it does 19:31 hoodedice Discussion - Mir 19:32 Peacock i thought it was kill -9 ? 19:32 khonkhortisan then you need top 19:32 khonkhortisan if you already know the program name you can just type killall -9 firefox 19:32 Peacock killall is what i use when the desktop is still responsive lol 19:32 khonkhortisan kill -9 `pidof minetest` 19:32 Calinou me neither, FreeFull 19:33 Calinou *I* didn't do it. 19:33 Calinou :> 19:33 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:33 ShadowNinja /bin/kill -s KILL `pidof minetest` 19:33 khonkhortisan is the same as killall -9 minetest, if you only have one running 19:33 khonkhortisan is kill not in your path? 19:33 ShadowNinja Or /usr/bin/kill rather. 19:33 hoodedice Presto, get back on my main email 19:33 hoodedice *gmail 19:34 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:34 hoodedice I will explain everything in detail 19:34 ShadowNinja khonkhortisan: Bash has a builtin version of kill with less features. 19:34 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:34 hoodedice gmail. 19:34 khonkhortisan bleh 19:34 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:34 khonkhortisan alias kill='kill'? 19:34 hoodedice Too mainstream 19:34 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:34 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:34 khonkhortisan should be able to override it 19:34 hoodedice I'll do that now 19:34 khonkhortisan I never noticed, I use the bash version 19:34 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:34 khonkhortisan I do not know your email 19:35 hoodedice G2g , it's 1 AM here, just stayed up to setup Xp on VB 19:35 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:35 hoodedice I DO !!! 19:35 khonkhortisan what is it to lock a directory? 19:35 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:35 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:35 khonkhortisan Is this like windows freezing a file when a program is using it? 19:36 VanessaE khonkhortisan: lock it how? 19:36 VanessaE oh 19:36 khonkhortisan this how Unable to lock directory. 19:36 VanessaE like file locking yeah 19:36 FreeFull Calinou: The distro I am using starts you off with just a terminal and the basics 19:36 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:36 FreeFull Well, the package manager is considered basic 19:36 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:36 khonkhortisan file locking and dialogs made modal by the os are annoying 19:36 sfan5 FreeFull: arch? 19:37 FreeFull sfan5: Yeah 19:37 Peacock not hardcore enough, i use punchcards to boot up *my* machine :P 19:37 sfan5 crunchbang is awesome 19:37 sfan5 very lightweight 19:37 Peacock #! ftw 19:37 FreeFull I used Crunchbang before Arch 19:37 sfan5 runs with 256mb ram 19:37 FreeFull Got tired of Debian-based distros 19:37 khonkhortisan punchcards? Just memorize it and punch the computer 19:37 Peacock i used crunchbang, then archbang, and back to crunchbang lol 19:38 Calinou I never used anything that isn't debian-based 19:38 khonkhortisan I used qwerty, then dvorak, then programmer dvorak, and back to dvorak 19:38 FreeFull My first distro was SuSE 19:38 khonkhortisan I had win95 and suse 19:38 * Calinou always used azerty 19:38 Peacock archbang was great for awhile, but i got tired of living in fear that each update would break something lol 19:38 sfan5 ^ 19:39 * Prestotron562 just got an all caps email 19:39 khonkhortisan I had an extra kernel directory so my nvidia driver would break on update 19:39 Peacock i never got an arch update that didn't break something lol 19:39 sfan5 john_minetest: I installed archlinux in a VM and the 2nd update I did broke it 19:39 Peacock that glibc business a while back was a particular pain in the ass 19:40 Peacock i just got used to installing new live images of archbang instead of updating lol 19:40 Peacock when packer stopped working that was pretty much the last straw 19:41 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:41 Peacock even now i dont update crunchbang often enough because im still stuck in the arch mentality lol 19:42 Peacock if you have to re-install, then obviously system updates are poorly designed 19:42 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:44 Peacock its my impression that apt simply has a better handle on in what order to update packages so theres no breakage 19:45 Peacock and there's just apt, not pacman + to build your desired setup 19:45 FreeFull Peacock: Xubuntu broke with every second distro update 19:45 FreeFull On the other hand Arch hasn't managed to break for me yet 19:45 Peacock thats ubuntu 19:46 Peacock crunchbang is debian based 19:46 Calinou I usually reinstall 19:46 Calinou upgrade 12.10 => 13.04 went fine on my netbook though 19:46 FreeFull Crunchbang didn't break but everything was outdated 19:46 Peacock ubuntu patches so much crap im not surprised it breaks or that xfce is slower on it than any other distro 19:46 Prestotron562 [deleted] 19:46 Calinou it isn't for me 19:47 Calinou and their patches do some good too 19:47 Peacock well bleeding edge also means you wait a long time for bugfixes 19:47 Calinou actually it's the inverse 19:47 Peacock id rather have slightly outdated software, fewer bugs 19:47 Calinou the more bleeding edge the quicker the fixes 19:47 Calinou look at debian stable 19:47 Peacock let the archers sort out the bugs lol 19:47 Calinou some bugs are never fixed 19:48 Peacock meh, okay, so all the distros suck in some way, maybe i should just swith to windows and use some opensource software, as opposed to the inverse :P 19:48 Peacock *switch 19:48 Calinou windows is terrible in many ways too 19:48 khonkhortisan I should make a list 19:49 Peacock well given the choice between A) completely "libre" B) proprietary OS, some OSS apps, C) OSS OS, some proprietary, id go with C 1st, then B 19:49 jojoa1997 how do i update my local repo with the repo online in github 19:49 Peacock A involves joining a cult :P 19:50 khonkhortisan git checkout master; git pull? 19:50 Peacock or an asylum 19:50 khonkhortisan or git push myrepo branch? 19:50 khonkhortisan rain falling horizontally is just ugly 19:52 Peacock shouldn't it fall sortof, diagonally? 19:53 khonkhortisan I mean you look sideways, the rain is falling down as a vertical line. You look up, and the rain turns with you. 19:53 Peacock i wonder how lightning could be done 19:53 Peacock oh yeah, dont all mobs do that? 19:54 Peacock wait, does rain use sprites or particlespawnser? 19:55 proller khonkhortisan, something wrong with particles 19:57 khonkhortisan what? 19:57 khonkhortisan rain uses particlespawner 19:58 khonkhortisan I combined the three commits into one for the rebase 19:58 proller i have lot of garbage in console 19:58 proller and squares instead rain&snow 19:59 Peacock squares? 19:59 proller khonkhortisan, need protocol versioning 19:59 proller Peacock, broken textures 20:00 khonkhortisan Do I put that in the pull request, or as a label? 20:00 proller khonkhortisan, you cant simply sdd writeU8(os, vertical); 20:00 proller add 20:05 khonkhortisan Are the squares from connecting to a server without this commit? 20:07 werwerwer_ noob question: what's the difference between "0.4.7 minetest" and "0.4.7 minetest v6" on this page http://servers.minetest.net/ ? 20:07 khonkhortisan v6 sounds like the map generation, as opposed to v7 20:08 werwerwer_ so i don't need to do anything on client side to play on v7 or v6 server? 20:08 khonkhortisan but on that page it appears to mean there's a mod list on-hover. 20:08 sfan5 no 20:08 proller khonkhortisan, yes, old server. new client 20:09 werwerwer_ ok, thanks 20:10 khonkhortisan so I just change #define LATEST_PROTOCOL_VERSION 21? 20:11 proller no! you must make version checks 20:11 proller in send and read 20:12 proller it must be compatible in both ways 20:12 proller old client+new server and old server+new client 20:12 khonkhortisan ok 20:15 proller ups, yes, you need to increase LATEST_PROTOCOL_VERSION 20:16 proller ups x2 20:17 proller no need before release 20:26 Evergreen Do you know what linux lacks? Good video editors 20:26 Peacock a unified audio solution that just works 20:26 Calinou ITT: "Linsux" 20:26 Calinou Evergreen: make one then 20:26 Peacock flawless integration of prop. video and wireless drivers 20:27 Calinou after effects isn't even good 20:27 sfan5 good night everyone 20:27 Evergreen Calinou: you have no idea what you are talking about 20:28 Peacock works for you != works for everyone 20:28 Peacock (i get so tired of hearing that line lol) 20:28 Evergreen openshot is okay, kdenlive is okay, but it isn't good at all 20:28 Calinou there are some decent editors around 20:29 Peacock audacity is pretty good for audio editing 20:29 Evergreen No, I said video editors. :P 20:29 Peacock just finding a good video capture/webcam capture program is a pain lol 20:30 Evergreen I haven't ever tried blender vse though 20:30 Peacock being proprietary is neither here nor there, bad software exists in both camps :P 20:30 Evergreen Blender does have a built in video editor 20:32 Evergreen I never have tried it before, I might want to look into it 20:32 Evergreen Blender is awesome btw 20:32 STHGOM +4093 20:37 khonkhortisan blender doesn't have pure video editing 20:39 Prestotron562 [deleted] 20:40 Prestotron562 [deleted] 20:45 Prestotron562 [deleted] 20:49 Peacock found out why blender is missing the collada format, debian disabled it for lack of libreness lol downloading blender from website now 20:51 thexyz install gentoo, you can control level of libreness there 20:52 Peacock i seriously wish the libtards had better things to do lol 20:52 Peacock gentoo would take too long to install :/ 20:52 Calinou don't use "retard" as an insult 20:52 Calinou most people that you call "libtards" are actually clever 20:52 Peacock uhm, plenty of people use the term retard here, and worse terms 20:53 thexyz Calinou means you should use other terms 20:53 Peacock pilzadam and jordach use the term retarded liberally, you refer to faggots, why should my language be more reserved? 20:54 PilzAdam what? 20:54 thexyz because inequality -( 20:54 PilzAdam Peacock, what do you mean= 20:54 PilzAdam *? 20:54 Prestotron562 [deleted] 20:55 Prestotron562 [deleted] 20:55 thexyz forums will probably lag a bit more the next 24 hours 20:55 Peacock you use the term "retarded" no? 20:55 PilzAdam no 20:56 VanessaE PilzAdam: incorrect. 20:56 Peacock http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-05-22#i_3101438 20:57 VanessaE I count three such usages in my logs 20:57 Peacock http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-05-16#i_3091449 20:57 VanessaE (going back to aug. 29) 20:57 VanessaE (of 2012) 20:58 Peacock http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-07-02#i_3175193 20:58 Peacock i say either you apply the rules universally and indiscriminately, or not at all 20:59 PilzAdam VanessaE, that are answers to NekoGloop, who apperently uses it very often 20:59 NekoGloop ? 20:59 Peacock http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-03-24#i_2951665 20:59 PilzAdam NekoGloop, http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2012-08-29#i_2463792 http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2012-08-29#i_2465568 21:00 Peacock hmm seems to use "retarded" the most according to google lol 21:00 NekoGloop heh 21:00 NekoGloop both are you bashing windows 21:00 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:01 Peacock pilzadam http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-08-05#i_3239679 21:01 VanessaE Prestotron562: get a faster computer :( 21:01 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:01 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:01 VanessaE (really though, get a better video card, and turn off as much of the fancy stuff as you can stand) 21:01 VanessaE e.g. turn off fancy leaves, smooth lighting, shaders, etc. 21:02 VanessaE andmake sure you're using the appropriate driver for your video card. 21:02 PilzAdam Peacock, hmm.. thats probably due to lack of better vocabulary 21:02 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:02 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:02 PilzAdam Prestotron562, search it with ixquick.com 21:02 Peacock http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2012-11-12#i_2629304 21:03 khonkhortisan minetest accepts money? 21:03 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:03 VanessaE Prestotron562: send it to me. I could use the money...it won't go toward MT development though :D 21:03 khonkhortisan I couldn't use the money 21:03 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:03 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:03 PilzAdam Prestotron562, I wouldnt tell you if you cant find it 21:04 VanessaE Prestotron562: I'm joking. Any such funds would go toward buying clothes :D 21:04 PilzAdam *tell you to search it 21:04 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:04 VanessaE none, don't send any to me 21:04 VanessaE JEIJA! 21:04 VanessaE *pounce* 21:04 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:04 Jeija_ VanessaE! 21:04 VanessaE haha 21:04 khonkhortisan @me, a recurring amount. 21:04 PilzAdam hey Jeija_ 21:04 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:04 VanessaE I've been wondering about you :) 21:05 khonkhortisan I have awoken the sleeping with my pull request 21:05 Jeija_ Hi everyone :) 21:05 khonkhortisan hi Jeija 21:05 Jeija_ I've just been on vacation 21:05 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:05 VanessaE Jeija_: did you enjoy it? 21:05 Jeija_ lol 21:05 khonkhortisan if you like mesecons, you like jeija 21:05 Jeija_ Yeah, but there was hardly any internet ;) 21:05 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:05 iqualfragile wtf? jeija?? 21:05 thexyz Peacock: those aren't rules; Calinou just asked you to be kind to people who develop software for you 21:06 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:06 iqualfragile Jeija_: wtf happened where did you go? 21:06 Peacock libtards/libre/free software != open source 21:06 iqualfragile in case you intend to come back: enjoy your stay 21:06 Jeija_ Got some other projects, and for the last 3 weeks i was in France 21:06 Peacock they make a big deal out of the distinction themselves 21:06 thexyz Peacock: then you aren't better than them 21:07 Jeija_ I can't promise anything yet 21:07 Peacock no i just got better things to do than advocacy 21:07 Peacock im pro opensource, but the libre crowd annoy the fuck out of me 21:07 thexyz very probably 21:08 Peacock like removing the collada plugin from blender, im not being more libre as a result, i just download blender from the main site instead 21:08 khonkhortisan I feel like asking someone to do something I could do myself 21:09 werwerwer_ mods installed on server are downloaded automatically when i connect to server? 21:09 khonkhortisan you don't download the mods. 21:10 PilzAdam werwerwer_, kinda, you dont need to install anything on the client 21:10 khonkhortisan You download the textures, node/item definitions 21:11 khonkhortisan You can't connect to a server, then use a mod from it in your local server, only part of it is sent. 21:12 Peacock john_minetest don't know, thought it was a bug, looked up the bug reports, debian removed the plugin because its not libre enough 21:12 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:13 * Prestotron562 commits to less hacky "See your own player" 21:13 khonkhortisan where is that? 21:14 Peacock dunno, but if they forced trisquell on everyone, linux user base would be 5% what it is now lol 21:15 Peacock id seriously rather go back to running a prop OS with some oss bits before going down that road lol 21:15 Peacock stallman, doesn't work, doesn't bathe, doesn't matter lol 21:16 MinetestBot GIT: Jeija commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Upgrade CC-BY-SA License to 3.0 09be8af517 2013-09-07T14:15:21-07:00 http://git.io/yz23UA 21:16 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:16 Peacock ugh, wireless = batteries 21:17 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:18 Peacock biggest problem i have is finding english keyboards in QC 21:18 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:20 PilzAdam no 21:20 PilzAdam we have QWERTZ 21:20 Peacock quebec keyboards are still qwerty, but they move a bunch of other keys around 21:20 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:21 MinetestBot GIT: Jeija commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Add LICENSE.txt c3082f6601 2013-09-07T14:20:17-07:00 http://git.io/qAwywg 21:21 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:21 PilzAdam Prestotron562, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/German-T2-Keyboard-Prototype-May-2012.jpg 21:22 khonkhortisan arghh!!!! 21:22 PilzAdam sfan5, why does MinetestBot show commits to mesecons? 21:22 PilzAdam either only do it for minetest/minetest and minetest_game or for all of my mods too 21:22 khonkhortisan I have a commit that changes the protocol. I started an old server/client, recompiled with my commit, started a new server/client, and the second client gets 'con::ConnectionBindFailed' 21:23 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:23 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, always add stuff at the end of serialization, then you can catch the exception in the client 21:23 PilzAdam and old clients wont even notive anything 21:23 PilzAdam Prestotron562, and Ä Ö Ü ß 21:23 khonkhortisan I can't even start my second client, and my protocol only affects particles 21:24 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:24 khonkhortisan aha! minetest fails to start when minetestserver is on 30001 21:24 Peacock tried xbmc yesterday, video and audio still suck compared to vlc lol 21:25 Peacock you'd think they'd want to be better 21:26 khonkhortisan ... typing 2 on numpad in the client port gets a nil value in builtin/mainmenu.lua:488 21:27 VanessaE bbl 21:28 khonkhortisan ooh. 14:28:04: ERROR[main]: Access denied. Reason: Another client is connected with this name. If your client closed unexpectedly, try again in a minute. 21:28 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:29 khonkhortisan These are two clients connecting to two servers hosting two maps. How do they know about each other? 21:29 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, with different ports? 21:30 khonkhortisan yes, sometimes. 21:31 khonkhortisan I changed the port, checked public serverlist, it changed back to the first port. 21:31 khonkhortisan so I change my answer to no. 21:32 Peacock that happens to me too 21:32 Peacock i type 30012, and it starts on 30000 21:38 Peacock i also get reports from users who say they get wrong password warnings even though they haven't set one :/ 21:38 proller khonkhortisan, do not use 30000-30010 if you want more than one server-client 21:39 Peacock but mine isn't on 21:42 Peacock idc whether or not people set passwords, so long as they chose a username that doesn't annoy lol 21:43 Peacock my whitelisted people do set passwords obviously :P 21:43 Peacock freebuilders can do whatever they want 21:45 proller PilzAdam, why i sometimes hit in beds spawn list? without bed touching 21:56 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:57 iqualfragile Prestotron562: that is what you get for using filthy filthy linux 21:57 Peacock lol 21:57 Peacock all os's freeze 21:58 khonkhortisan thrashing 21:58 Peacock i blame this guy http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090316132359/batman/images/1/11/MrFreezeArniesch.jpg 21:58 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:59 Prestotron562 [deleted] 21:59 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:00 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:00 khonkhortisan just fill up your memory and swap 22:00 khonkhortisan use VE's texture pack at full size 22:01 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:01 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:02 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:02 khonkhortisan everykitten 22:02 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:03 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:03 khonkhortisan is it a journaling filesystem? 22:04 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:04 khonkhortisan hitting the power line increases the power 22:04 khonkhortisan the router, fridge, dish/clotheswasher, oven, microwave, tv, vaccuum cleaner, etc run off power 22:05 khonkhortisan I think that could be done. 22:06 khonkhortisan Lightning pole, computer connected to that and power, a test circuit that overclocks the cpu exactly when the lightning hits, constant extreme cpu cooling, normal power source for rest of computer. 22:06 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:08 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:08 khonkhortisan then what would be left to talk about here? help, mods, and dev would already be covered 22:09 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:10 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:13 khonkhortisan Façade has a french c 22:14 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:15 khonkhortisan BRAAAAP 22:15 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:15 khonkhortisan ping. ping. pingpingpingpingping. 22:15 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:15 khonkhortisan ping. 22:15 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:15 khonkhortisan ok then 22:16 khonkhortisan I have one for someone highlighting me, but I never hear it 22:16 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:16 khonkhortisan xchat, I also have pidgin, konversation, and irssi. 22:16 imthescatguy guys 22:16 imthescatguy i need help 22:17 imthescatguy i recently got minetest 22:17 imthescatguy and i played a bit 22:17 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:17 khonkhortisan I can't scat the help to you :) 22:17 imthescatguy now when i launch it and open a world 22:17 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:17 imthescatguy on the cmd it says pier 2 failed to emerge player 22:17 imthescatguy on singleplayer 22:17 imthescatguy when loading a world 22:17 imthescatguy or something like that 22:18 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:18 khonkhortisan this? Server: khonkhortisan: Failed to emerge player (player allocated to an another client) 22:18 imthescatguy windows 22:18 imthescatguy no its singleplayer 22:18 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:18 imthescatguy its pier 2 or something 22:18 imthescatguy i just wait? 22:18 yyamiyyugi What (if anything) would I need to take into account differently from minecraft to this If I were building a computer to host a server (ex. Do I need more/less RAM, Better CPU, etc.?) 22:18 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:18 imthescatguy i cant load a world.... 22:18 khonkhortisan If it doesn't stop, and you never connect, then it's a problem 22:18 imthescatguy how long should it last usually 22:18 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:19 imthescatguy ill try opening a world 22:19 khonkhortisan if it's a perfect connect it shouldn't happen at all 22:19 imthescatguy weird 22:19 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:19 imthescatguy its singleplayer 22:19 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:19 imthescatguy my pc is a custom build with 12 gigs of ram so i dont see any problems 22:19 khonkhortisan ooh 12 22:19 yyamiyyugi I'm going to be building one 22:19 imthescatguy and wired internet 22:19 khonkhortisan I really have to visit the computer store 22:19 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:19 imthescatguy ill launch a world 22:19 yyamiyyugi I Haven't bought any parts yet 22:20 imthescatguy ok i will after i test 22:20 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:20 khonkhortisan If you're going to have mobs, you'll need more resources. If all the stuff in your world is static, you only need to worry about the players. 22:20 yyamiyyugi I would only need players 22:21 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:21 imthescatguy it says peer_id=2 failed to emerge player 22:21 imthescatguy ok 22:21 khonkhortisan I disagree with that 22:21 khonkhortisan minetest-dev would kick for that 22:21 yyamiyyugi and it would be a limited map 22:21 khonkhortisan normally it's the person who would actually kick you that gives the warning 22:21 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:22 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:23 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:24 khonkhortisan is minetestbot still kicking flooders? I forgot about that 22:29 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:30 yyamiyyugi Wb 22:31 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:38 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:40 Prestotron562 [deleted] 22:45 werwerwer_ operations in inventory are synced with server every mouse click? 23:06 Fungus_ Could someone walk me through installing a texture pack? I have downloaded the zip I did not extract or do anything yet I don't want to mess this up. I would like to install so anyone who joins my world can see it. 23:08 Fungus_ Hello? Is anyone around tonight? 23:08 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:08 Fungus_ Hello 23:08 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:08 Fungus_ Can you walk me through installing a texture pack? I have downloaded the zip I did not extract or do anything yet I don't want to mess this up. I would like to install so anyone who joins my world can see it. 23:08 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:08 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:08 Fungus_ Great 23:09 khonkhortisan installing a texture pack is slightly easier than installing a mod 23:09 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:09 Fungus_ Lets do this then. Woot Woot 23:09 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:10 Fungus_ But I have joined other servers with different texture packs 23:10 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:10 Fungus_ WIndows 23:10 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:11 Fungus_ So can you help me? I have seen other servers with different packs 23:11 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:11 Fungus_ Awesome 23:11 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:12 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:12 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:12 Fungus_ Well lets began 23:12 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:12 Fungus_ Tell me what to do. 23:12 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:12 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:12 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:13 Fungus_ Okay 23:13 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:13 Fungus_ Everything but IRC is closed 23:13 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:13 Fungus_ check 23:14 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:15 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:15 Fungus_ Check 23:15 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:15 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:15 Fungus_ and just the one I am working on and I play on some multis 23:15 Fungus_ I just want to do this for my own world 23:16 Fungus_ Yes 23:16 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:16 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:16 Fungus_ Yes 23:16 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:16 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:17 Fungus_ check 23:17 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:17 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:18 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:18 Fungus_ Just downloaed the zip 23:19 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:19 Fungus_ Let me check 23:19 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:19 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:19 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:20 Fungus_ Nope, its still the same 23:20 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:20 Fungus_ Where do I put the texture pack folder 23:20 Fungus_ Yea 23:20 Fungus_ I did not even extract the folder yet 23:20 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:21 Fungus_ Okay I am in textures folder 23:21 Fungus_ I have two folders base and pack 23:21 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:21 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:21 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:22 Fungus_ o.4.7 23:22 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:23 Fungus_ I am extracting the folder 23:23 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:24 Fungus_ Okay, yes you helped a bit 23:24 Fungus_ Take care 23:24 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:24 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:25 Fungus_ Okay 23:27 Fungus_ Does anyone else want to try> 23:35 imthescatguy #join minetest_help 23:35 imthescatguy fail 23:36 imthescatguy anyone good at moding? 23:36 imthescatguy anyone good at modding? 23:37 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:37 imthescatguy og 23:37 imthescatguy ok 23:37 imthescatguy well 23:37 imthescatguy i god a mod 23:37 imthescatguy got 23:37 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:38 imthescatguy wrong button 23:38 imthescatguy i have a mod 23:38 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:38 imthescatguy and it didnt work, so i renamed it, still doesnt work 23:38 imthescatguy i looked in the file 23:38 imthescatguy and it has no init.lua 23:38 imthescatguy its the nature pack 23:39 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:39 imthescatguy ok 23:39 Prestotron562 [deleted] 23:39 imthescatguy bye 23:59 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=109524#p109524 23:59 PilzAdam if you think like this then you need a doctor