IRC log for #minetest, 2013-09-02

Time	Nick	Message
00:05	hoodedice	...
00:06	hoodedice	I'll just go then
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00:19	Inocudom	This chat room seems to be more void than it used to be. Everything does.
00:21	MinetestBot	GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Add minetest.parse_json, engine.parse_json 1ecf51a13f 2013-09-01T17:20:08-07:00 http://git.io/UpXKig
00:21	Inocudom	What does that do?
00:23	kahrl	parse json
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00:24	Somedude	I guess we will soon have java-based mods?
00:47	khonkhortisan	When I set ; as toggle fly, it gets set as -
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00:50	jojoa1997	Hello!
00:55	PilzAdam	khonkhortisan, try setting it manually in minetest.conf
00:56	PilzAdam	I have set tab as inventory, that is not possible in the GUI
00:59	khonkhortisan	it works fine in the conf, it's probably a similar bug as the one that made ;,.p terminate the world list
01:00	khonkhortisan	s/as/to
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01:23	Cells	Quick question what is the command for time speed again
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01:28	Cells	hello?
01:29	PilzAdam	bye
01:33	khonkhortisan	What is it where the side swaps the connections between the two outputs and the two inputs?
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02:10	jojoa1997	brb
02:12	jojoa1997	back
02:23	jojoa1997	bye
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03:01	mnb_	how do i make a nether portal?
03:05	notVanessaE	If only I knew
03:05	VanessaE	who the..?
03:05	VanessaE	all right neko.
03:05	notVanessaE	Who the..?
03:05	notVanessaE	Who are YOU!
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03:06	mnb_	i'm using pilz nether mod
03:06	mnb_	can't figure out how to make it
03:07	VanessaE	looks to be a 4x5 ring of obsidian
03:08	mnb_	then what?
03:08	VanessaE	right click on it with a mese crystal in your hand
03:08	VanessaE	I guess
03:08	notVanessaE	Ya that's it
03:08	notVanessaE	I guess
03:09	notVanessaE	"You can go into the nether by either digging deep down or build a obsidian portal as seen in the screenshots above. To activate the portal, rightclick it with a mese crystal fragment."
03:09	notVanessaE	mnb_ Which version of minetest are you running?
03:09	VanessaE	ok either landmine or neko or hoodedice, either way lose the nick or lose your access to this channel.
03:09	notVanessaE	You got me.
03:09	mnb_	0.4.6
03:09	VanessaE	ok.
03:09	hoodedice	Ta Da
03:09	mnb_	i mean 7
03:10	hoodedice	ok.
03:11	hoodedice	mnb_ Is this a new world in which it is not working?
03:11	hoodedice	Or did you activate the mod on an old world?
03:14	mnb_	not sure what u mean
03:14	mnb_	it works though
03:14	mnb_	4x5 and hit it with a mese fragment
03:15	mnb_	thx for the advice
03:15	hoodedice	Yawn RTAOP next time
03:16	hoodedice	(Read The Awesome Opening Post)
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03:27	nothoodedice	hello
03:28	VanessaE	heh
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03:34	hoodedice	lol
03:35	hoodedice	I missed that XD
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03:40	khonkhortisan	a cage of insulated crossovers has a small amount of shadow
03:54	VanessaE	http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/09/01/2224243/facebook-to-overhaul-data-use-policy
03:54	VanessaE	oh I do NOT like this
03:58	hoodedice	Nothing new here
03:58	hoodedice	Move on
03:59	VanessaE	it's the "we'll use your likeness, name, etc without compensation" part I object to.
04:00	VanessaE	as in, use them in an ad.
04:00	VanessaE	that's not just no, that's "FUCK NO".
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04:18	aldobr	hi all
04:19	VanessaE	hi
04:20	aldobr	i need a good place to host my mods...
04:20	aldobr	anybody know of some ?
04:20	VanessaE	github.
04:20	hoodedice	github
04:20	hoodedice	google drive
04:22	aldobr	hm i need something like tinypic but for file
04:22	VanessaE	dropbox then
04:22	hoodedice	google drive
04:23	khonkhortisan	github. My update-all-mods-and-games-and-minetest script uses git.
04:23	khonkhortisan	-and-texture-packs
04:23	aldobr	i will use dropbox, thank
04:34	hoodedice	Pardon my ignorance
04:34	hoodedice	But what exactly does your mod do?
04:35	aldobr	two mods
04:35	aldobr	one is a gcode interpreter
04:35	aldobr	other is a sproxel plugin to export nodebox files from that voxel editor
04:36	hoodedice	so what does the gcode thingy do?
04:36	aldobr	it parses a gcode file and prints it into the current world
04:36	aldobr	using reprap logic
04:37	aldobr	kinda virtual reprap
04:37	hoodedice	So it makes nodes
04:37	hoodedice	from this 3d printer thingy's files
04:37	hoodedice	cool
04:38	hoodedice	The other thing, what does that do?
04:38	aldobr	allow one to create nodeboxes using a voxel editor
04:39	aldobr	wysiwyg
04:39	hoodedice	I dont get it
04:39	hoodedice	Texture or shape of the node?
04:39	aldobr	shape and texture
04:39	aldobr	but texture is buggy yet
04:39	hoodedice	(AND)
04:39	hoodedice	woah
04:39	hoodedice	waitasec
04:39	aldobr	it generates init.lua and pictures as textures
04:40	hoodedice	How is it different from this :https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2840
04:40	aldobr	it generates textures from the color of the voxels
04:40	aldobr	its completely different
04:40	hoodedice	?
04:40	aldobr	cant explain, you have to look and see
04:40	hoodedice	I think I'll test both
04:41	hoodedice	Yeah
04:41	aldobr	this editor follow another logic
04:41	aldobr	in sproxel everything is divided by same volume voxels
04:41	aldobr	its kind of pixel art, but using voxels
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04:42	hoodedice	oh
04:42	hoodedice	Saw the blog
04:42	hoodedice	I get it all now
04:42	aldobr	it generates the textures from the colours of each voxel projected into the sides
04:42	aldobr	voxels have no texture but own color
04:42	aldobr	etc
04:43	hoodedice	hmm
04:43	hoodedice	aldobr
04:44	hoodedice	For the GCode thingy
04:44	hoodedice	the model will come out as an exact replica of the thing, right?
04:44	aldobr	not exact
04:44	hoodedice	?
04:44	aldobr	but close if the resolution is ok
04:44	hoodedice	ok
04:44	aldobr	there are problems like alias
04:44	hoodedice	Neat work dude
04:44	aldobr	etc
04:45	aldobr	the version i posted works on 0.4.7
04:45	hoodedice	(Though a bit complicated =P)
04:45	aldobr	i have another version where jinx_ji helped me to add voxelmanip
04:45	hoodedice	voxelmanip is 0.4.8
04:45	hoodedice	=/
04:45	aldobr	works waaaay faster
04:46	hoodedice	So yeah. Wait till then to release that
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04:48	aldobr	i want the coral reef mod :/
04:48	[0gb_us]	I've been gone a while, so I'm out of the loop. Will 0.4.8 use mapgen v7, or is it still being fixed up?
04:49	hoodedice	90% might use
04:49	hoodedice	PilzAdam got it nice, I've heard
04:51	[0gb_us]	Nice. I saw some of what he did a while back, and it certainly makes the terrain more interesting.
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04:52	VanessaE	wb, 0gb
04:52	VanessaE	and no, it'll use mgv6 by default, no doubt
04:52	VanessaE	but it's easy to select another mapgen
04:52	[0gb_us]	Hey, VanessaE!
04:53	[0gb_us]	I've seen the light and come back. Though I'm here for other reasons now. I've become one of those free software nuts.
04:53	VanessaE	told you so ;)
04:54	[0gb_us]	If I hadn't turned into a free software nut though, I wouldn't be back.
04:54	VanessaE	fair enough
04:54	[0gb_us]	But it doned on me the implications of free software.
04:54	[0gb_us]	Free software lets us build off the past. If all software were free, we'd be so much further along technology-wise.
04:55	VanessaE	exactly - "I stand on the shoulders of giants" is still as valid today as when it was first uttered
04:55	VanessaE	(Edison, wasn't it?)
04:55	[0gb_us]	I don't know. I'm no good at history.
04:56	hoodedice	haha
04:56	VanessaE	heh
04:56	VanessaE	no, not Edison
04:56	VanessaE	not by a good 800 years :P
04:56	hoodedice	Googled. It's Newton
04:57	VanessaE	nope
04:57	VanessaE	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_on_the_shoulders_of_giants
04:57	VanessaE	John of Salisbury, 1159
04:59	[0gb_us]	I believe though that our ability to build off the past is granted to us only by our theory of mind. The theory of mind is the only thing that sets us apart from the other animals. The theory of mind states that we don't all share the same knowledge, a theory that other animals don't understand. Because we do, we attempt to learn from others so we can do better. This is why we have learned to build cities and computers and such. If
04:59	[0gb_us]	we don't learn from past iterations of our kind, we cannot advance.
04:59	VanessaE	exactly.
04:59	[0gb_us]	Anyway, that's enough ranting from me.
04:59	[0gb_us]	I wouldn't want to become annoying or anything.
05:00	VanessaE	please
05:00	VanessaE	you didn't go all lamefun on us :)
05:00	VanessaE	so no annoyance :)
05:00	[0gb_us]	Okay, true. He was somewhat amusing.
05:01	[0gb_us]	I don't know if you heard, but I tried to go Trisquel, but that didn't work out. My old system need proprietary drivers, so I have to stick with Xubuntu for now.
05:02	[0gb_us]	I did wipe Steam off my system though.
05:02	VanessaE	yeah I thought I'd seen that in the scrollback
05:02	VanessaE	I'm on Debian these days
05:02	[0gb_us]	Debian doesn't like my system either.
05:02	VanessaE	oh?
05:02	[0gb_us]	It's all good though.
05:03	[0gb_us]	On Debian, my Minetest FPS is one. Also, my wireless card won't stay online.
05:03	hoodedice	xubuntu is good
05:03	hoodedice	You arent stuck with it
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05:03	hoodedice	Plus, ZWIZ I DIDNT READ THE REST !
05:03	VanessaE	I haven't even tried my wireless card since going to Debian. my fps is respectable usually, though
05:03	VanessaE	hey Inocudom
05:04	[0gb_us]	I can't run the systems I want to run, so I'm stuck with an alternative. Xubuntu isn't the only alternative though, true.
05:04	Inocudom	Hello. Sometimes, this chat room is pretty empty.
05:04	VanessaE	at this time of night, yeah
05:04	[0gb_us]	Hello!
05:05	VanessaE	Inocudom: from about 8pm to around 4am EST, it tends to be dead in here
05:05	Inocudom	oOChainLynxOo made another video of Redcrab's server recently.
05:05	[0gb_us]	Foolish people. Who needs sleep?
05:05	VanessaE	cool
05:06	VanessaE	too bad he's not playing on mine. my server is 100x better than redcrab's ;)
05:06	VanessaE	(ok so it barely has anything built, by comparison :P
05:06	* [0gb_us]	shutters at unclosed paren
05:06	Inocudom	That server has been having issues with griefing lately. Oxenfreedan might leave it if things don't improve. Looks like redcrab needs to check things out.
05:07	[0gb_us]	)
05:07	VanessaE	)
05:07	VanessaE	http://xkcd.com/859/
05:07	VanessaE	oblig.
05:07	VanessaE	:)
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05:07	[0gb_us]	True, true.
05:08	Inocudom	Yes, I would like it very much if oOChainLynxOo did a video of your creative server, VanessaE.
05:09	VanessaE	not the survival one? :(
05:09	[0gb_us]	Oh? I saw your second server, but I didn't know it was survival.
05:09	VanessaE	yep
05:09	Inocudom	He could do that too, but the creative one has more buildings.
05:09	VanessaE	true
05:10	VanessaE	no one hardly plays on it anymore though
05:10	[0gb_us]	I see it's on a more recent dev version as well.
05:10	aldobr	that xkcd i specially true if you are a lisp programmer
05:11	Inocudom	There are two or three other individuals that do videos for Minetest, but I don't hear of them much. They don't stand out as much as oOChainLynxOo does.
05:12	[0gb_us]	VanessaE, your new server that I've never been to says I have the wrong password. Is there a default password, or is my name in use?
05:12	VanessaE	I can reset it if you want
05:12	Inocudom	Maybe if they did a video with oOChainLynxOo, they would.
05:12	[0gb_us]	Nah, don't.
05:12	VanessaE	someone might have used your name.
05:12	[0gb_us]	It must be someone else with my name.
05:12	VanessaE	in which case I'll reset it.
05:12	[0gb_us]	(I type too slowly.)
05:12	[0gb_us]	If they got to the name first, that's fine.
05:13	VanessaE	no, it isn't fine with me.
05:13	[0gb_us]	WHy is that?
05:13	VanessaE	your name has a specific meaning, I won't have someone shadowing as you
05:13	[0gb_us]	Okay, fair enough.
05:14	Inocudom	One of the problems is that there doesn't seem to be many players on any of the servers these days. Where did everybody go? Summer will soon end, and school should have started.
05:14	aldobr	redcrab server is bloated with leftovers from past eras
05:14	[0gb_us]	They went home. No one has computers at home these days.
05:15	Inocudom	The Xonotic community is also getting emptier.
05:16	[0gb_us]	http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/294/myhobbyzm2.png/
05:16	Inocudom	Me, my mom, and her husband still have computers at our house. Of course, if anything happens to them, it will be years before we can replace them.
05:16	aldobr	they liked minetest and thought "well minetest is just a test, lets get the real thing", and then all bought minecraft
05:16	aldobr	:/
05:17	aldobr	all becaue of a name ;9
05:17	[0gb_us]	Meh. I tried Minecraft. I must say, I didn't like it before or after I flipped out.
05:19	Inocudom	I would not like Minecraft at all. For one thing, its community... Well... http://whatculture.com/gaming/7-worst-online-gaming-communities.php/2
05:19	aldobr	how they did that ? http://railcraft.wikispaces.com/Tunnel+Bore+%28Cart%29
05:19	aldobr	the blocky machine can be halfway between two nodes ?????!!!
05:19	aldobr	is that possible with minetest ?
05:20	VanessaE	it's probably an entity
05:20	VanessaE	they can be anywhere, pointing any direction
05:20	Inocudom	There are two mods for Minetest that do that.
05:20	VanessaE	or whatever MC's equivalent is
05:20	aldobr	hm
05:21	aldobr	i like my TBM better, it can dig even on lava :P
05:21	VanessaE	DanDuncombe made one also, his is on my server
05:22	aldobr	its based on mine
05:22	aldobr	he improved it
05:22	VanessaE	oh ok
05:22	aldobr	theres still a bug that i cant understand (the machine randonly changes direction)
05:22	Inocudom	When Minetest gets better entity abm support, moving entities and mobs will work better.
05:22	VanessaE	right now, entities need one thing and one thing only: fix that G*d damned duplication bug.
05:23	Inocudom	I hope that the carts will be part of the base game one day, but not until that happens.
05:23	Inocudom	Oh, that bug is not fun at all.
05:24	aldobr	we might as wall get render to texture and lua texture manipulation
05:24	[0gb_us]	Especially at the end of the world, entity duplication is a real issue.
05:24	aldobr	render to texture allows mirrors and cameras and lua texture manipulation allows computer screens
05:25	Inocudom	I love mirrors and hope they work.
05:25	* [0gb_us]	points Inocudom to a download mirror
05:26	Inocudom	However, this community is quiet these days. Reminds me of the following song from Metroid Prime Hunters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnhjXq9-Ui8&feature=player_detailpage
05:28	VanessaE	we don't need more features.
05:28	VanessaE	we need bug fixes
05:28	aldobr	i want to help bug fixes but i need to get acquainted to the code
05:29	Inocudom	Bugfixes are very important, especially ones that increase framerate (very important those are to oOChainLynxOo.)
05:29	[0gb_us]	I'd have to agree with VanessaE. I was cool with the game even when it had less features, and it was always the bug fixes that were my favorite "new features" between versions.
05:32	aldobr	i want to make a periodic table mod adding all elements from the real world periodic table (good lucky doing all that)
05:32	[0gb_us]	That would be sweet!
05:32	aldobr	theyt will occur as ores like real world ores and need chemical aparatus to be processed
05:33	aldobr	i believe minetest needs an official set of elements and chemical reactions
05:33	aldobr	from that we can make colors and metals
05:33	aldobr	etc
05:34	[0gb_us]	The only chemical reactions in Minetest I know of include water and lava or lava and burnables.
05:35	aldobr	iron ore -> gusa iron -> wrought iron or iron ore -> gusa iron -> gusa iron + carbon + manganese -> steel
05:35	aldobr	etc
05:35	aldobr	not even minecraft is so detailed
05:35	[0gb_us]	Detailed isn't always good though ....
05:36	aldobr	and a lot of work
05:41	[0gb_us]	... someone made a bitcoin plugin.
05:41	aldobr	bitcoin ?!?
05:41	[0gb_us]	People are so weird.
05:41	[0gb_us]	Yeah. With bitcoin ores.
05:41	[0gb_us]	And bitcoin ingots.
05:42	aldobr	ahhh
05:42	aldobr	i tought they were using real bitcoin in game :P
05:42	[0gb_us]	Oh, no, nothing like that.
05:42	aldobr	i've made a coin mod that allowed one to make coins out of gold
05:43	aldobr	and two machines that allowed buy/sell items with those coin
05:43	aldobr	*coins
05:43	[0gb_us]	I plan to add ore coins of all six types to my server.
05:45	aldobr	we need a page where to draw "railroad diagrams" of material transformation
05:46	aldobr	that railroad diagrams would be automatically changed into lua files of register_craft type
05:46	aldobr	a set of tools for automatic content creation
05:46	aldobr	allowing non-programmers to contribute
05:46	aldobr	thats the philosophy behind the sproxel plugin i've made
05:53	Tiktalik	i need to work on my project
05:53	Tiktalik	i think it'd work well as a minetest fork/mod
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06:18	nore	hi all
06:18	VanessaE	hi
06:19	[0gb_us]	Hello!
06:21	aldobr	hi
06:31	[0gb_us]	Check out the middle strip: http://xkcd.com/824/
06:40	VanessaE	heh
06:40	VanessaE	[0gb_us]: also, ##vanessae-servers is the IRC channel for my server. you may wish to auto-join if you're gonna play on them much
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06:41	[0gb_us]	I killed my auto-join list. I prefer Pidgin's method of storing favorite channels: as bookmarks, but XCat lacks that ability.
06:41	[0gb_us]	*XChat
06:41	VanessaE	that works, too
06:42	[0gb_us]	Well, it would work, if I had that option.
06:44	[0gb_us]	'Wikipedia trivia: if you take any article, click on the first link in the article text not in parentheses or italics, and then repeat, you will eventually end up at "Philosophy".'
06:44	[0gb_us]	I just tried it, and it worked in the one case I tried.
06:45	[0gb_us]	I didn't think it would work.
06:47	nore	[0gb_us]: I made a loop
06:47	nore	begin with "Greek"
06:47	[0gb_us]	I thought I might end up in a loop, but didn't. I guess that disproves the "trivia".
06:48	nore	my loop does not even include "Philosophy"
06:48	nore	you can try with "Greek", the loop is fairly long
06:50	[0gb_us]	I started at "Greek" and ended up at "Philosophy".
06:50	nore	sorry, you have to start at Greek_language
06:52	kahrl	huh. is it known that the main menu serverlist misreads some flags?
06:52	nore	oops, forgotten the rule about parenthesis
06:53	kahrl	for example the first entry (Vazon Server) has a "C" while it is a survival serevr
06:53	kahrl	server*
06:54	[0gb_us]	I made it from "Greek_language" as well.
06:54	kahrl	seems to be because its json is "creative":"0"
06:54	kahrl	the code treats every string that is not empty as true
06:57	nore	[0gb_us]: I had forgotten the parenthesis, that's why I looped
06:58	[0gb_us]	Oh, got it.
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07:15	sfan5	wow
07:15	sfan5	you can actually get from the XTEA article in Wikipedia to Philosophy
07:15	sfan5	hi everyone
07:16	[0gb_us]	Hello!
07:16	[0gb_us]	It's probably a rule in the Wikipedia content guidelines somewhere. All articles must lead to Philosophy.
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07:21	jojoa1997	hello
07:21	[0gb_us]	Hello!
07:21	jojoa1997	[0gb_us] where have you been? I havenmt seen you in a while.
07:21	[0gb_us]	I've been ... away.
07:21	[0gb_us]	I'm back though. Maybe.
07:22	[0gb_us]	The results are inconclusive.
07:22	jojoa1997	away as in a break from minetest
07:22	[0gb_us]	Away as in I completely quit. I wasn't going to come back at all, but I had a couple Epiphanies.
07:23	[0gb_us]	Decapitalize that. It isn't a proper noun.
07:23	jojoa1997	yeah i did the same thing for the last two months
07:23	jojoa1997	then i decided to check up on things cause i might still like it
07:24	[0gb_us]	I'm doing an overhaul on the game, then updating my server. Though the lag there is still horrible, so people probably shouldn't go there.
07:25	jojoa1997	maybe you should start with a new map
07:25	jojoa1997	i know rarkenin left
07:26	jojoa1997	and the girl who's name had bear in it(to tired to remembber) hasnt said anything on the forums since you left so i guess both are gone and then a restart for the server might be good
07:27	[0gb_us]	He turned out to be an identity thief, so good ridens. He wasn't even the real rarkenin.
07:27	[0gb_us]	Bearbar123.
07:28	jojoa1997	so the rarkenin we knew wasnt really rarkenin
07:29	[0gb_us]	Right.
07:29	jojoa1997	so that guy could have been a stalker for all we know
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07:31	[0gb_us]	He isn't a stocker, I don't think. He's just some guy that blackmailed the real rarkenin into handing over the name.
07:32	jojoa1997\|Tablet	oh
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07:36	jojoa1997	So 0gb.us will you be restarting your server which i think is a very good idea
07:37	[0gb_us]	And lose what people have made? I promised not to do that, so doing it anyway seems like a bad idea.
07:37	[0gb_us]	Once I manage to get a modern computer, I'll make a new world. And keep the old.
07:38	jojoa1997	oh
07:38	Calinou	:o [0gb_us] is back
07:38	[0gb_us]	Maybe.
07:38	jojoa1997	maybe you could put a download of the current world adn then start a new one?
07:39	[0gb_us]	I had a couple epiphanies, so I returned.
07:39	[0gb_us]	Starting a new one isn't happening until I modernize my setup.
07:40	jojoa1997	ok
07:40	* jojoa1997	misses the minetest_game only stuff
07:41	[0gb_us]	The new world will have more than just minetest_game stuff. I have big plans for that place.
07:42	jojoa1997	like what
07:42	nore	technic_game?
07:42	jojoa1997	no that crashes all the time for me
07:42	jojoa1997	but technic would be nice
07:42	[0gb_us]	No. 0gb.us_game, but with a MAJOR overhaul.
07:42	jojoa1997	like what
07:42	nore	jojoa, why does it crash?
07:43	jojoa1997	pipeworks
07:43	nore	and why?
07:43	jojoa1997	idk why but pipeworks crash
07:43	nore	make a bug report then
07:43	jojoa1997	and how does that make you feel?
07:43	jojoa1997	and how does that person make you feel?
07:43	jojoa1997	and how does that game make you feel?
07:43	nore	could you give me the last lines of debug.txt?
07:43	jojoa1997	what am i in therapy?
07:44	jojoa1997	nore i am using Vanessae_game now and her pipes work and i am too tired to reproduce the error
07:44	[0gb_us]	"Old Miner's Chest"s will appear at times, full of loot. Though I can't say what makes them appear. You'll have to not know or have to read the source code. I'm also adding some sort of rubble node (six types) and a bunch of other new nodes.
07:44	nore	jojoa, did you just try to update pipeworks?
07:45	jojoa1997	what about adding BlockMen's mines mod?
07:45	Calinou	forum has 100,000 posts :o
07:45	jojoa1997	nore please dont ask me to fix it i am very tired but cant fall asleep
07:45	* jojoa1997	is 4th most posts
07:46	[0gb_us]	Whas the "mines mod" question directed at me?
07:47	nore	[0gb_us], is isn't on github now, is it?
07:47	jojoa1997	go to blockmens topics in the forum and look at all of blockmen's mods
07:47	[0gb_us]	What isn't, 0gb.us_game? No, it isn't. I don't have even a single line of code written for it yet.
07:47	khonkhortisan	It should be relatively easy to add a flatland option to in-client world creation, no?
07:48	nore	khonkhortisan, yes
07:48	[0gb_us]	Seems simple to me, but I don't know C++ yet.
07:48	khonkhortisan	ok
07:48	khonkhortisan	I think it would be lua at this point, with the new menu
07:48	nore	there is lua mainmenu now
07:49	jojoa1997	they add very nice touches even if they kinda originate from minecraft(mines with chests,pyramids,3d torches,gates)
07:49	jojoa1997	yes
07:49	[0gb_us]	The main menu is in Lua now? Nice!
07:49	jojoa1997	idk
07:49	nore	[0gb_us], yes, and with texture pack selection
07:49	khonkhortisan	I had the release revision written down
07:49	jojoa1997	i swore i saw a laumenu.lua somewhere
07:50	khonkhortisan	builtin/mainmenu.lua
07:50	jojoa1997	finally they took my idea
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07:50	[0gb_us]	Texture pack selection ... THings have changed in my absence.
07:50	khonkhortisan	mine too
07:50	jojoa1997	i had been buggin about texturepacks for a month or two
07:50	jojoa1997	and
07:50	nore	I'm happy texture pack selection is a feature that people like, because I coded it ;)
07:51	khonkhortisan	I came back to an empty world list and had to fix a bug
07:51	jojoa1997	as i remember they thought my way of having texturepacks in their own folder was stupid even though that is the default way now
07:51	* jojoa1997	finds nore in RL and gives him/her a BIG HUG
07:52	khonkhortisan	in their own folder is the only right way
07:52	jojoa1997	yes
07:52	[0gb_us]	Oh, nice! THat should make a lot of people happy.
07:52	khonkhortisan	it keeps them separate, revision-control compatible and everything
07:52	jojoa1997	0gb also
07:52	jojoa1997	there is bumpmapping(3d loook)
07:53	* jojoa1997	pokes VanessaE
07:53	VanessaE	ow.
07:53	jojoa1997	VAnessaE you texturepack normal maps need more variation from blue to red
07:53	nore	jojoa: doesn't work for everyone
07:53	jojoa1997	currently it doesnt look 3d at all
07:53	VanessaE	no, they don't.
07:53	khonkhortisan	so higher bumps?
07:53	jojoa1997	yes
07:53	VanessaE	that's not how they work.
07:53	khonkhortisan	or more graduated?
07:53	jojoa1997	yeah
07:54	jojoa1997	look at haven versus yours
07:54	khonkhortisan	it can only look 3d until you hit the edge
07:54	[0gb_us]	What is bump mapping?
07:54	khonkhortisan	hehe
07:54	khonkhortisan	what is bump mapping.
07:54	VanessaE	haven's bumpmaps are overly strong.
07:54	khonkhortisan	it's cool!
07:54	VanessaE	[0gb_us]: it's a way of giving 3d surface detail to a flat surface using only an image
07:54	jojoa1997	VanessaE i enabled bump mapping and thought i broke it because i couldnt tell the difference with and without
07:54	nore	bumpmapping is perturbing the normals to the surfaces to give an impression of 3d
07:55	khonkhortisan	[0gb_us], https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bump_mapping look at the edges of the red spheres
07:55	[0gb_us]	Ah, I see. I'll have to look into that before continuing the textures I'm building.
07:55	VanessaE	lighting is calculated and reflected off of the map depending on your view angle and that of the light, creating highlights and shadows that don't exist in the original texture
07:55	jojoa1997	so what i am saying is maybe add a little more areas of higher bumps to add a 3d look
07:55	khonkhortisan	bumpmapping makes it appear as if there are bumps, but it can't affect the visual edge of an object
07:55	VanessaE	jojoa1997: that's as it should be. the "3d look" will become far more pronounced once parallax mapping goes in
07:55	jojoa1997	0gb also there is a mods tab
07:56	VanessaE	jojoa1997: I want my normalmaps to be very subtle
07:56	jojoa1997	ok
07:56	khonkhortisan	I put some mods (moretrees, animals_modpack, flowers...) into their own folder so I can disable them as one big modpack when I want a clean world
07:56	[0gb_us]	I think I saw that tab before I left.
07:56	jojoa1997	i just thought that a little more variation on stuff like cobble would look nice
07:57	VanessaE	jojoa1997: I will rework them as needed later, after the parallax mapping goes in.
07:57	jojoa1997	Dab
07:57	jojoa1997	0gb
07:57	jojoa1997	you can also download mods from the client
07:57	[0gb_us]	Oh, nice!
07:58	[0gb_us]	From where?
07:58	jojoa1997	idr
07:58	khonkhortisan	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZPsQtlHthQ weird, man.
07:58	jojoa1997	i dont remember
07:58	khonkhortisan	The surface looks like it has ridges, which don't connect with the ridges on the other side of the cube edge
07:58	[0gb_us]	Hmm. THis changes everything .... I'll have to code this differently.
07:58	nore	[0gb_us], this is mmdb, though there are only a few mods on it now, and you need a build with curl enabled
07:59	khonkhortisan	If I can download mods from the client, can I tell my client to git pull?
07:59	jojoa1997	there was alot added
07:59	[0gb_us]	How do you add to this "mmdb"?
07:59	jojoa1997	there is a topic on hte forum
08:00	nore	[0gb_us], you go to https://forum.minetest.net/mmdb/ and click "Add a mod"
08:00	jojoa1997	Also 0gb remeber your skin with the ores
08:00	khonkhortisan	my mod download scrollbar won't scroll
08:00	khonkhortisan	oh nevermind it was just frozen
08:00	nore	khonkhortisan, you need to use the arrows
08:00	nore	the scroll doesn't scroll
08:00	jojoa1997	well you dont have to worry about me using it i made a new one
08:01	[0gb_us]	You can keep using it. It was never a problem.
08:01	jojoa1997	no 0gb i have a new skin
08:01	khonkhortisan	the mod database needs mesecons!!!
08:01	jojoa1997	as in i made one that i like alot
08:02	jojoa1997	minetest needs mesecons
08:02	khonkhortisan	mesecons need worldedit too
08:02	khonkhortisan	the more wires the better
08:02	jojoa1997	/pos1
08:02	[0gb_us]	I would make one, but I still can't come up with anything symmetrical that I would want. I need arms and legs that don't match.
08:02	jojoa1997	/pos2
08:03	jojoa1997	/replace "all" "mesecons:wire_00000000"
08:03	khonkhortisan	/stack, //copy, //move, //set air bleh!
08:03	khonkhortisan	I only use the regular wire when I need a four-way intersection
08:03	* jojoa1997	uses redstone
08:03	khonkhortisan	I've never tried redstone
08:03	jojoa1997	i like it
08:04	khonkhortisan	is it in classic mc?
08:04	jojoa1997	btw 0gb i bought minecraft muwhahhaha
08:04	khonkhortisan	google says no
08:05	khonkhortisan	my eyes are having trouble blinking, it's morning now
08:05	jojoa1997	redstone is better in the fact that since it is all java it runs faster with the game
08:05	khonkhortisan	but they don't have the Null Cell on us anymore
08:05	jojoa1997	<khonkhortisan>:what time
08:05	khonkhortisan	1:05
08:05	jojoa1997	what is Null Cell
08:05	khonkhortisan	I can go about another hour
08:06	jojoa1997	<khonkhortisan>:4:05 here
08:06	khonkhortisan	it's a left-right wire and a forward-back wire in the same node but they aren't connected
08:06	jojoa1997	oh 0gb can i be the new moderator on your server
08:06	[0gb_us]	I'm quiting proprietary gaming, so I'm not going anywhere near Minecraft.
08:07	jojoa1997	there is the answer i was expecting
08:07	khonkhortisan	I plan on hacking TeamSpeak to add linux text-to-speech
08:07	[0gb_us]	Okay, I can do that. If we can get the server to take it, it'r runnig slow.
08:07	[0gb_us]	*running
08:08	jojoa1997	what is the ip
08:08	jojoa1997	and since you were supposed to be gone for good who has kept it running
08:08	khonkhortisan	...
08:09	[0gb_us]	I don't know my IP offhand. Not since my ISP changed it.
08:09	jojoa1997	so it isnt 0gb.us
08:09	[0gb_us]	I've had it running, I just haven't been online.
08:09	[0gb_us]	That's not an IP address.
08:09	khonkhortisan	I clicked Modsâ†’Install, then I pressed the [X]. I went back, pressed Cancel. I went back again and pressed Escape, and my game went away.
08:09	jojoa1997	dun dun dunnnnnnn
08:09	[0gb_us]	0gb.us is the address, just not the IP address.
08:10	jojoa1997	i always wonder why there are so many people in irc that never speak
08:10	khonkhortisan	we like reading the scrollback
08:10	jojoa1997	lol
08:11	[0gb_us]	Okay, the server took it, after several minutes.
08:13	khonkhortisan	Now I can splurge on my texture packs without the threat of getting stuck with one
08:14	[0gb_us]	I only use one anyway. I set it in the conf and forget it.
08:14	jojoa1997	splurge?
08:14	khonkhortisan	But you can set in in the client
08:14	jojoa1997	0gb you can set multiple in the client
08:14	* jojoa1997	wishes that there could be a way to set it ingame
08:14	khonkhortisan	splurge meaning more buying many of them and meaning less of the spending part
08:15	nore	jojoa: not possible
08:15	jojoa1997	yes it is
08:15	[0gb_us]	It would be possible, but would lead to complications.
08:15	jojoa1997	nore what happens is you chnage the textures and then have the player reloda the world
08:16	khonkhortisan	I wish I could toggle fullscreen, change key controls, umm I don't have that ipv6 problem anymore, I'll have to fill in this list some more
08:16	nore	you would have to reload the textures, etc so you would have a load time, etc.
08:16	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: [09-02 04:18] <VE-Survival> <webdesigner97> Vanessa, can you add a craftrecipe for digilines?
08:16	VanessaE	suggestions?
08:17	nore	look at technic_game
08:17	nore	there is a mod called digilines_craftrecipes
08:17	khonkhortisan	I always play creative/worldedit when I do any serious mesecons/digilines
08:17	khonkhortisan	I know few of the survival recipes
08:18	khonkhortisan	What about an insulated wire plus uninsulated?
08:18	VanessaE	I'd have chosen to use several insulated wires.
08:18	khonkhortisan	makes more sense your way
08:18	VanessaE	maybe four of those plus another bundle of insulation, yields 4 digilines wires
08:19	khonkhortisan	another bundle keeps it away from recipe conflicts
08:19	VanessaE	(since it's basically I2C, so I guess that's data, control, power, ground?)
08:19	khonkhortisan	lol
08:19	VanessaE	checks wiki
08:19	VanessaE	an
08:19	VanessaE	data, CLOCK, power, ground duh
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08:20	[0gb_us]	Hello!
08:20	khonkhortisan	to have to look up how many wires there are in a wire just to create one in a game
08:21	VanessaE	I believe it's three uninsulated + 6 insulation = 3 insulated
08:22	VanessaE	so that's effectively 9 insulation + 4 uninsulated wires = 4 digilines
08:22	khonkhortisan	oh yeah, I remember I wanted to make all wires use 6d facedir
08:22	VanessaE	oh boy
08:22	khonkhortisan	You could make a game board on the ground
08:23	khonkhortisan	but there's only 9 spots for crafting total
08:25	jojoa1997	bye gotta start my day cya
08:27	nore	khonkhortisan, look at digilines_converters in technic_game
08:28	nore	it might me useful
08:28	nore	s/me/be
08:28	khonkhortisan	are they also in technic mod?
08:28	nore	basically, it is simple converter between digilines and mesecons signals
08:28	nore	no, there are not in technic
08:28	VanessaE	they*
08:29	nore	I could have made a repo for them, but for now, they are only in technic_game
08:29	khonkhortisan	I said they :P I'm just kidding
08:31	khonkhortisan	g'night y'all
08:32	[0gb_us]	G'night!
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08:41	SMelly	Hello Hello
08:42	SMelly	What is a quick way for an admin to claim a large amount of land
08:42	SMelly	Hey BrandonReese nice to see you in IRC
08:50	[0gb_us]	SMelly, it depends on what claiming plugin you are using.
08:51	SMelly	landrush
08:51	[0gb_us]	If I recall correctly which one that is, I don't think there is a way.
08:52	SMelly	The one with the little blue boxes
08:53	SMelly	I tried to world edit a bunch across
08:53	SMelly	it did not work
08:53	SMelly	sadly
08:54	SMelly	welll ty
08:54	[0gb_us]	I just Googled it, and I'm afraid there isn't a way, unless something was added that I don't know about. I know the plugin that one was derived from, but I haven't used landrush itself yet.
08:54	SMelly	ah
08:54	SMelly	Well thank you for all the help
08:54	SMelly	i am off to see the wizard noew
08:54	SMelly	now*
08:54	SMelly	I heard he got cable
08:54	[0gb_us]	Good luck!
08:54	SMelly	Thank you
08:55	SMelly	Take care
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09:59	VanessaE	hi
10:01	VanessaE	there's already a function for that by way of the ambiance mod I think
10:01	VanessaE	but definitely not
10:01	* VanessaE	prefers her own selection of music
10:03	pitriss	VanessaE: yeah.. music on some servers get on my nerves:D
10:03	kahrl	I like how in MC the peaceful piano music tends to start playing when you're amidst a horde of every mob possible
10:03	pitriss	VanessaE: and worst thing about it is that it cannot be disabled in client
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10:16	nore	Calinou: https://github.com/Calinou/moreores/pull/4
10:16	e1z0	i
10:16	e1z0	hi
10:17	nore	hi
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11:44	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
11:54	Jordach	btw, mod suggestion: http://imgur.com/gallery/vRzYG
12:03	PilzAdam	the Katar is not unusual, its in Diablo 2
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12:51	Jordach	andersje, living in (or near?) minnesota?
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12:56	nothoodedice	So...
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12:58	* Jordach	slaps nothoodedice
12:58	nothoodedice	OW!
12:58	nothoodedice	Wut?
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13:00	Jordach	!op
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13:23	e1z0	any guide about running private dedicated server of minetest ?
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13:27	proller	install, run.
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13:51	bas080	Prototype for the nyan world stats webpage https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/nyan/index.html
14:04	NekoGloop	bas you griefer
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14:12	PilzAdam	bbl
14:17	bas080	NekoGloop, it doesn't mean griefing perse. I'm an admin so sometimes instead of using rollback i fix it by digging.
14:17	NekoGloop	I figured as much
14:17	NekoGloop	griefing the griefers, per se.
14:18	bas080	i love doing rollback while there doing there grief.
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14:21	kaeza	mornings
14:22	Exio4	hai kaeza :D
14:22	kaeza	sup Exio4
14:23	* NekoGloop	noms kaeza
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14:25	Erikas0012	Minetest anyone?
14:26	NekoGloop	no
14:26	LazyJ	Does anyone know if better shadows are in the works for Minetest?
14:27	NekoGloop	There are shadows?
14:27	kaeza	yes, Shadow Ninja
14:27	kaeza	:D
14:27	kaeza	actually no
14:27	LazyJ	For example, I've noticed upsidedown stairs have no contrast to better show depth.
14:28	LazyJ	I
14:28	NekoGloop	That's because of the wierd lighting system
14:28	NekoGloop	You might have also noticed that light goes through stairs to some extent
14:28	LazyJ	From a short distance there is no visible difference between a stair and it's full-block counterpart.
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14:29	LazyJ	Aye, I've used the weird illumination to make things glow around the edges.
14:30	NekoGloop	Nodeboxes, the things that are used to make stairs look like stairs, require light to pass through the node
14:30	LazyJ	I've noticed there are three shader test folders in the /client/shader folder. Are they functional or just there for testing?
14:30	NekoGloop	Well if they're called "shader test folders" then they're probably for testing
14:31	LazyJ	Ah, sorry for the topic jump, NekoGloop.
14:31	NekoGloop	It's somewhat related
14:31	NekoGloop	Still minetest graphics :P
14:31	LazyJ	Ah. I was wondering if there was a conf setting I missed or didn't have right.
14:32	NekoGloop	A conf setting for the stairs to look nice?
14:32	NekoGloop	Yeah no.
14:34	LazyJ	Stairs were the most recent thing I was working with. There are other light and shadow things that still need improvement/tweaking.
14:34	NekoGloop	same with my treasure chests, homedecor's nearly-everything, etc, everything else that isn't a full node
14:34	e1z0	minetest support minecraft worlds ?
14:34	e1z0	:O
14:35	NekoGloop	e1z0, With a converter, minecraft classic maps -can- be imported, yes.
14:35	e1z0	oh
14:35	e1z0	where can i get the converter ?
14:35	LazyJ	Is the limitation because the nodebox code (or any other Minetest code) can't handle the graphic effects or is it because to write the code for it is a gargantuan undertaking?
14:35	NekoGloop	No idea.
14:36	NekoGloop	LazyJ, It's because celeron is a derp
14:37	LazyJ	I gather a "derp" isn't a good thing. ;)
14:37	NekoGloop	and nobody's fixed his derpiness yet
14:37	NekoGloop	It's probably not even incredibly difficult to fix, you'd just have to find where to fix it :P
14:38	LazyJ	If I had the code savvy, I'd work on it myself.
14:38	NekoGloop	I don't know C++. :3
14:38	LazyJ	Just one of many things on the Minetest to-do list.
14:39	NekoGloop	Minetest to-do list: Improve lighting, make game fast.
14:40	NekoGloop	:P
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14:52	jojoa1997	Will normal maps of the default textures be added to minetest?
14:53	jojoa1997	As in bump mapping
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14:56	sfan5	jojoa1997: they look bad with low resolution textures(16x)
14:57	jojoa1997	Sfan5 so what
14:57	philipbenr	yes I noticed. I saw the example in ReallyBadAngel's topic. So we are just implementing bump-mapping, right?
14:57	jojoa1997	Most people won't use it then
14:58	sfan5	jojoa1997: they won'get added because they look bad with default textures
14:58	sfan5	won't get*
14:58	philipbenr	I will with a texture pack.
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15:05	e1z0	why in creative mode i can't destroy blocks ?
15:06	e1z0	only create, is there any option for the server config to enable it ?
15:06	Calinou	you hold the left mouse button
15:06	Calinou	nodes aren't destroy instantly ;)
15:07	e1z0	ah ok
15:07	e1z0	thanks
15:13	nore	<nore> Calinou, https://github.com/Calinou/moreores/pull/4
15:13	nore	<nore> I coded a bit fast, and had forgotten to test
15:13	nore	<nore> so that fixes: a syntax error, a nil error and a "ore not generating" error
15:14	Calinou	merged
15:15	nore	and you can close pull 3 too, it looks like it was an attempt to fix this, but it wouldn't work
15:17	Jordach	Peacock, new auto ban suggestion: youtube advertisers; with nicks like: "thisguy643_youtube"
15:18	Peacock	im thinking of a keyword list yeah, anything with 'minecraft','minetest','xXx', etc. lol
15:18	Jordach	Peacock, oh, and make sure you allow people to record videos of your server
15:18	Jordach	(well, s/you/your choice
15:18	Jordach	)
15:18	Peacock	trickier one might be coming up with a regex for NaMeSlIkEtHiS
15:18	Jordach	Peacock, ignore caps and lower case
15:19	Peacock	why would i not let them make videos? its their desktop, they can record what they want lol
15:19	Jordach	just run a: if lower then upper; ban()
15:19	Peacock	though from what i understand theres only one mt player who does YT vids
15:19	Calinou	<Peacock> trickier one might be coming up with a regex for NaMeSlIkEtHiS
15:19	Calinou	some people have such name and can not act like kids
15:19	Calinou	eg. RaZgRiZ :P
15:19	Calinou	some guy from #redeclipse
15:19	nore	Peacock, do a if 0.25<#upper/#lower<0.75 then BAN
15:20	Peacock	ugh, its even painful on the eyes lol
15:21	Peacock	well in regex i guess that would... ([a-z][A-z])+ ?
15:21	nore	ehh, actually if 0.25<#upper/(#upper+#lower)0.75
15:21	nore	Peacock, my name is AbCdEfGhi
15:21	nore	not matched
15:21	Peacock	hm,
15:22	nore	my suggestion works well
15:22	Peacock	well it would look for a repeating pattern, so it would still match no?
15:22	Peacock	even with the extra lowercase i at the end
15:22	Peacock	i wouldn't specify the beginning/end symbols (^ and $ i think?)
15:23	nore	or even if 0.25<#upper/length then BAN
15:23	nore	and what if I'm called AbcDefGhiJklMnoPqrS ?
15:23	nore	or ABcDEfGHiJKlM ?
15:24	Peacock	or i could do the opposite and specify one regex for acceptable names like ([A-Z]?[a-z])+ ?
15:25	nore	perhaps [A-Z?][a-z]+[0-9]{0:2}
15:25	Peacock	could work since i only allow two digits
15:25	nore	your patterm matches AbCdEf for now
15:26	nore	at least, remove the parenthesises
15:26	Peacock	well alot of names are also two words
15:27	Peacock	([A-Z?][a-z][a-z]+)+[0-9]{0:2}
15:27	Peacock	?
15:28	nore	change the second "+" to {1:3}
15:31	e1z0	is there any flying mode on minetest ?
15:32	e1z0	i cannot find in the documentation
15:32	Jordach	e1z0, /grant singleplayer all
15:32	Jordach	then press k to fly
15:32	e1z0	i mean multiplayer :O
15:32	Peacock	([A-Z?][a-z][a-z]+){1:3}[0-9]{0:2}
15:32	Peacock	?
15:33	Jordach	e1z0, nope, the server admin has to grant you the ability to fly
15:33	e1z0	i'm the admin
15:33	NekoGloop	/grant n00b fly
15:33	e1z0	lol
15:33	e1z0	ok
15:34	e1z0	your privileges are insufficient
15:34	e1z0	hmm
15:34	e1z0	what can i do more ?
15:34	Jordach	e1z0, /grant e1z0 fly, fast, noclip
15:35	Jordach	e1z0, are you logged in from the same machine as the server or somewhere else
15:35	e1z0	not the same machine
15:35	Jordach	(the true server admin is the person who logs in at the same location of the server)
15:35	Jordach	otherwise, nobody else gets admin, not even the first joined playet
15:35	Jordach	player*
15:36	e1z0	is there any workaround for that ?
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15:36	e1z0	maybe telneting to it ?
15:37	e1z0	or maybe i can modify the source so that my nick name can get privileges at login ?
15:41	e1z0	hmm
15:41	e1z0	maybe i can set it to auth.txt ?
15:41	kaeza	e1z0, the player named in the `name' variable in the server config automatically gets all privs
15:42	e1z0	oh
15:42	e1z0	ok
15:42	kaeza	so if you have access to the server's minetest.conf, set name=<your-in-game-name>
15:43	NekoGloop	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB33EF8ZuNo
15:43	e1z0	yeah, i have all acceess
15:43	e1z0	thanks for the support
15:43	e1z0	:-)
15:43	kaeza	np :)
15:44	e1z0	but it works specifying fly on the auth.txt too
15:45	e1z0	btw, nice to have an opensource clone of minecraft
15:45	e1z0	the damn java of that shit sucks
15:45	e1z0	:\|
15:45	e1z0	minecraft will be good if it was not based on java
15:46	kaeza	Soon: Minecraft tries to be a proprietary clone of Minetest :D
15:46	e1z0	lol
15:46	e1z0	indeed
15:47	e1z0	if i could covert my world from minecraft to minetest
15:47	e1z0	it would be very great
15:48	Jordach	classic or vanilla
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15:49	e1z0	vanilla, 1.4.7 version
15:49	Prestotron562	[deleted]
15:49	e1z0	i'm usiing bukkit server with it
15:49	nore	e1z0, there are a few things on the forum that do that
15:49	Calinou	hi
15:49	Jordach	e1z0, talk to sfan5, he has a world converter
15:49	e1z0	nore i read about filters
15:49	e1z0	on mcedit
15:49	e1z0	but i can't convert entire world
15:49	e1z0	it's huge
15:49	nore	however, some nodes can't be converted
15:49	nore	so you will have to choose what they are converted too (if it is vanilla)
15:49	Prestotron562	[deleted]
15:49	Jordach	Prestotron562, disable shaders
15:50	nore	because you have an old version of OpenGL
15:50	Jordach	and don't use Direct3D9 with shaders
15:50	Prestotron562	[deleted]
15:50	e1z0	hmm
15:50	e1z0	ok
15:50	e1z0	sfan5 are you online ?
15:50	Jordach	Prestotron562, shaders only work on more recent GPUs with OpenGL
15:50	Prestotron562	[deleted]
15:51	nore	e1z0, he was there 1 hour ago
15:51	Calinou	shaders enhance graphics in general
15:51	nore	dunno if he is still around
15:51	Prestotron562	[deleted]
15:51	e1z0	i can wait, i have time :-)
15:51	Prestotron562	[deleted]
15:52	Prestotron562	[deleted]
15:52	nore	when you mean come out, is it first version?
15:52	Prestotron562	[deleted]
15:53	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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15:54	nore	the first commit on github was 2010-10-21
15:54	Prestotron562	[deleted]
15:54	nore	sorry, 2010-11-21
15:55	Prestotron562	[deleted]
15:55	Prestotron562	[deleted]
15:56	Calinou	suddenly: virality
15:57	Prestotron562	[deleted]
15:57	Calinou	by actually making them instead of dreaming of them
15:57	nore	make a good game, free and open source
15:57	Calinou	with decent graphics
15:58	nore	and ask distro makers to put them
15:58	nore	in the distros
15:58	Calinou	won't work
15:58	Prestotron562	[deleted]
15:58	Calinou	you can be in distro repos and not be popular, and inversely
15:58	Prestotron562	[deleted]
15:58	Calinou	and some distro repo maintainers are... annoying
15:58	Calinou	also most people use windows
15:59	Prestotron562	[deleted]
15:59	Calinou	yet you use it
15:59	Prestotron562	[deleted]
15:59	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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16:02	* Jordach	realized i'm still OP
16:02	Calinou	!deop Jordach
16:02	Calinou	wubi sucks, too
16:03	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:03	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:03	Jordach	Prestotron562, you're still relying on windows
16:04	Jordach	i can remove the w7 partition right now and i can just use mint
16:04	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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16:06	OldCoder	jojoa1997, Hi
16:06	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:07	OldCoder	Prestotron562, nice nick
16:07	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:07	* OldCoder	is never sarcastic and would prefer :) to :/
16:07	* OldCoder	is sort of literal
16:08	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:08	OldCoder	o/
16:08	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:09	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:10	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:11	e1z0	is mcedit capable to edit minetest world ?
16:12	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:12	OldCoder	Prestotron562, Not awkward. It is the tides of IRC.
16:12	thexyz	sfan5: were there colors in formspecs in 0.4.7?
16:13	OldCoder	thexyz, Hello. My worlds are back after a month or so away. Migrated to fast new server. BTW We're hoping to see LevelDB merged. Then we may fork or spoon. I'm going to revert changes that prevent backwards compatibility.
16:13	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:13	OldCoder	I don't wish to see old worlds die
16:13	Jordach	http://i.imgur.com/ZrX9A0o.png
16:14	OldCoder	R
16:14	OldCoder	That is Sam, Jordach?
16:14	kaeza	Prestotron562, that's usually how it works, yes
16:14	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:14	Jordach	OldCoder, modified skin
16:14	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:15	OldCoder	Jordach, is his name Sam?
16:15	kaeza	at least in the open source scene
16:15	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:15	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:16	OldCoder	Prestotron562, there are a few people who build it
16:16	OldCoder	They feel it had some charm
16:16	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:16	OldCoder	No; early versions of MT
16:16	Peacock	the oldest still being developed is mt classic i think
16:16	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:16	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:16	OldCoder	Hmm. Peacock link for MT Classic?
16:17	Peacock	http://minetest-classic.com/
16:17	Jordach	http://minetest-classic.com
16:17	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:17	Jordach	fuck, ninja'd
16:17	OldCoder	ty
16:17	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:17	OldCoder	Ninjas are fun
16:17	Peacock	would actually be an excellent place to try the binary api idea that was floated here a few days ago
16:17	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:18	OldCoder	Jordach, Peacock, Prestotron562 I shall need to run a MT Classic World
16:18	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:19	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:19	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:19	Jordach	<3 http://www.wolframalpha.com/
16:19	proller	Prestotron562, server_announce = 1
16:20	kaeza	LOL https://github.com/minetest/minetest/diff_blob/4e249fb3fbf75f0359758760d88e22aa5b14533c/data/tf.jpg?raw=true
16:20	Peacock	i could never use mt classic though, way too many nodeboxes in my game, and now with upside-down (6d) placement too lol
16:20	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:20	kaeza	so that was the original player sprite? :P
16:20	Peacock	im thinking of switching back to the original 2d player sprite :P
16:21	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:21	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:21	e1z0	lol
16:22	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:22	Peacock	FreeFull chat here, i barely glance at terminal lol
16:24	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:24	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:24	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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16:25	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:27	kaeza	à² _à²
16:27	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:27	nore	kaeza, what were those characters?
16:27	nore	can't see them
16:28	sfan5	wat
16:28	OldCoder	Prestotron562, Freenode discourages logging but this channel is logged
16:28	OldCoder	Actually much of this is in Google
16:28	sfan5	thexyz: IIRC yes
16:28	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:28	kaeza	nore, http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/tom_delay.jpg?t=1306039128
16:28	nore	Prestotron562, loggingbot_ is there for that
16:28	OldCoder	Prestotron562, there are bots running
16:28	sfan5	Prestotron562: magic
16:29	Peacock	Prostatron562: black magic
16:29	nore	kaeza, what's the hex for that character?
16:29	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:29	OldCoder	Prestotron562, they can be done using short scripts in Python and Perl
16:29	nore	!help
16:29	MinetestBot	https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
16:29	nore	look at the repo
16:30	OldCoder	http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2968408/how-do-i-program-a-simple-irc-bot-in-python
16:30	OldCoder	^ Prestotron562
16:30	kaeza	nore "\u0CA0_\u0CA0"
16:30	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:30	Peacock	dont show him how to do that, one of hims asking questions is enough :p
16:31	OldCoder	Peacock, his bot can provide answers. Plus we'll make it clear that excessive testing here is discouraged.
16:31	OldCoder	Strongly
16:31	* kaeza	has a bot in Lua that can run Lua code from IRC
16:31	OldCoder	Bots that are too active tend to get shot on sight
16:32	OldCoder	kaeza, that sounds useful
16:32	Peacock	behind the chemical shed
16:32	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:33	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:33	OldCoder	Prestotron562, I was referring to future bots
16:33	OldCoder	Questions are O.K.
16:33	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:33	kaeza	OldCoder, join ##mt-irc-mod for a demo if you want
16:34	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:34	OldCoder	kaeza, just a brief one
16:34	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:34	sfan5	Prestotron562: goddamnit read the whole page/whatever before you ask
16:35	sfan5	you need to set up every bot differently
16:35	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:35	OldCoder	Prestotron562, Hang on. I am reviewing kaeza's project. And take it one step at a time. Step 1, learn Python or Perl. Maybe Lua.
16:35	OldCoder	Prestotron562, can you go learn Python?
16:35	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:35	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:35	sfan5	not enough
16:36	Prestotron562	[deleted]
16:37	sfan5	yes but thats bad
16:37	Jordach	it teaches bad programming practices
16:37	OldCoder	Prestotron562, you must understand what you are doing
16:37	OldCoder	Each and every line if possible
16:38	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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16:42	OldCoder	Good luck
16:43	OldCoder	Jordach, is the MT skin named Sam? Does it have a name or a claim to fame?
16:43	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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16:50	VanessaE	hi
16:52	OldCoder	VanessaE, Hi. Join ##mt-irc-mod
16:52	OldCoder	Temporary Lua bot test
16:59	Jordach	OldCoder, nope. that's me
17:00	e1z0	:O
17:00	OldCoder	Jordach, all right
17:00	* e1z0	slaps sfan5 with minecraft>minetest world converter
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17:00	e1z0	can you share it ?
17:01	Jordach	got any thoughts: http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/311/mystery.png
17:01	Jordach	^ will be uploading the finale later today
17:05	Peacock	how to stop? ServerEnvironment::addActiveObjectRaw(): could not find block for storing id=213 statically...
17:06	Jordach	OldCoder, http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/363/untitled.png
17:07	OldCoder	R
17:08	OldCoder	R #2
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17:08	OldCoder	Jordach, what are they?
17:08	OldCoder	The two images?
17:08	Jordach	the first one was to see if anyone can remember early december #minetest
17:09	OldCoder	And the 2nd?
17:09	Jordach	MinetestBot isn't the first bot to be named Minetest-
17:09	Jordach	OldCoder, it's a mimic chest
17:09	Jordach	try to open it and you get a shock
17:09	OldCoder	Ah
17:09	OldCoder	And the MT family (I assume) ?
17:09	e1z0	sfan5 are you here ?
17:10	OldCoder	e1z0, he is over in kaeza's bot testing channel
17:10	e1z0	:o
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17:11	OldCoder	Jordach, what is the 2nd image; the group of 3 people?
17:11	Jordach	you mean http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/311/mystery.png
17:11	OldCoder	Yes
17:11	Jordach	Sam I, MinetestBot and Sam II
17:12	OldCoder	All right
17:12	OldCoder	These are your work?
17:12	Jordach	btw, i actually dug through half a years worth of logs to find that info
17:12	Jordach	OldCoder, correct
17:12	OldCoder	All right thanks
17:12	Jordach	CC-BY-SA if you're asking
17:12	OldCoder	I am thank you
17:13	Jordach	i usually post images here, http://mg.viewskew.com/u/jordach/
17:13	OldCoder	Ah
17:13	OldCoder	Nice
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17:19	PilzAdam	Jordach, the outline in this image doesnt look good: http://i.imgur.com/qxX0iyK.png
17:19	Jordach	PilzAdam, video will not have outlines
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17:36	iqualfragile	we realy need 3d torches
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17:37	VanessaE	G*d no
17:37	Prestotron562_	-.- The Minetest Bot is just phenny.
17:38	VanessaE	3d = the model sets the shape = I can't texture it to look "just right".
17:38	Prestotron562_	It's a premade Bot.
17:39	iqualfragile	we need 3d torches and give modpacks the ability to overide models
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17:41	Prestotron562_	....
17:42	VanessaE	iqualfragile: well if the texture pack modifies the model on the client only, that would do
17:42	sfan5	e1z0: hm?
17:42	Prestotron562_	How do you run a .py file?
17:43	VanessaE	Prestotron562_: with python
17:43	sfan5	Prestotron562_: with google
17:43	VanessaE	:P
17:43	Prestotron562_	I'm installing Python VanessaE, But it fails everytime. Its taking 1 hour too. And what kind of Python. I'm downloading ActivePython
17:44	VanessaE	idk what "kind", I use the one that comes with my OS
17:44	* VanessaE	runs linux
17:44	sfan5	just download the normal python
17:44	Prestotron562_	What OS do you have?
17:44	sfan5	not activepython
17:44	Prestotron562_	Can I have a link to normal Python?
17:44	sfan5	http://www.python.org/download/
17:44	sfan5	is it really that hard to use google and your brain?
17:45	Prestotron562_	No I just prefer people explaining things. No need to make fun of me.
17:46	Prestotron562_	ummm... which one
17:46	Prestotron562_	Ihave Windows Vista 32 bit.
17:46	sfan5	the one that says Windows x86
17:46	Prestotron562_	K
17:47	Prestotron562_	40 min left
17:48	Prestotron562_	19, 25, 54, 32 min left
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17:48	Prestotron562_	Whats coming next in 0.4.8?
17:48	Jordach	no idea </troll>
17:49	Prestotron562_	Ohk
17:49	Peacock	more relevant question would be when lol
17:49	Prestotron562_	I havent seen much difference between 0.4.6 and .4.8
17:50	Prestotron562_	*0.4.7
17:50	VanessaE	Prestotron562_: http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog
17:51	VanessaE	there's been a LOT of changes
17:51	e1z0	:O
17:51	e1z0	sfan5 can you share worlds converter ?
17:52	e1z0	minecraft>minetest
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17:52	sfan5	e1z0: are you aware that it only support Minecraft classic?
17:52	e1z0	yeah
17:52	Peacock	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOdjCb4LwQY
17:53	Prestotron562_	Computer says no coughs
17:53	sfan5	e1z0: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6007 its in the maps section of the forums
17:54	e1z0	it's not possible to convert the whole world ?
17:54	Jordach	Prestotron562_, old news
17:55	Prestotron562_	Old news? What do you mean?
17:55	sfan5	e1z0: it is
17:55	e1z0	because if i try to to convert all the map selected objects mcedit becomes inresponsible
17:55	sfan5	well
17:55	sfan5	wait
17:55	sfan5	derp
17:55	sfan5	oops
17:55	sfan5	..
17:55	sfan5	it DOES support Minecraft full version and you should do small chunks
17:56	Peacock	dont you just hate irresponsible world editors :p
17:56	sfan5	do it in small chunks*
17:56	Prestotron562_	7 min left for Python
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17:56	e1z0	hmm
17:57	e1z0	if i press ctrl+a and select the whole territory, it does not work ?
17:57	Prestotron562_	Back to 20 min DX
17:57	e1z0	it will not work*
17:57	Prestotron562_	13.4/19.3 MB
17:58	sfan5	e1z0: try to do it in smaller parts
17:58	e1z0	hmm
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18:01	Prestotron562_	I think this is weird. Minetest doesnt have a register screen.
18:01	Prestotron562_	So how do you register? I just put in my usual account info and it worked 0-0
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18:03	kaeza	Prestotron562_, srsly?
18:03	Jordach	Fun fact: i join different servers with different guises
18:03	Prestotron562_	kaeza, Yes. There is no registartion screen, but its pretty much, first time you login, is the time you register.
18:04	kaeza	Prestotron562_, there's no centralized account system in MT
18:05	Prestotron562_	So hacking isnt even hacking, whats the point of a password if its just entering something random
18:06	Jordach	sfan5, e1z0: it's possible with voxelmanip
18:06	e1z0	how ?
18:06	sfan5	Jordach: it would have to write a huge lua code chunk for that
18:07	sfan5	well no
18:07	sfan5	WorldEdit does support voxelmanip
18:07	Jordach	and what does that filter export as...?
18:07	VanessaE	Prestotron562_: you don't register, as such
18:07	sfan5	worldedit schematic
18:07	sfan5	e1z0: wait.. it freezes.. just wait until its done
18:07	VanessaE	Prestotron562_: when you connect to a minetest server, you are creating an account on THAT server only.
18:08	Prestotron562_	Oh I see
18:08	VanessaE	minetest doesn't depend on a central user registry
18:08	VanessaE	some servers require passwords, some don't, but no server that I know of shares its user list with any other
18:08	VanessaE	nor do they share worlds.
18:08	VanessaE	(though it is possible)
18:09	Prestotron562_	How do you setup a server? I see you have a server up?
18:09	Jordach	there should be a test: a server that has three identical worlds: with different mods, and such, but all of them have the same seexc
18:09	Jordach	seed*
18:09	VanessaE	it's pretty simple really - you just have to configure your router or modem to allow incoming connections, create a world like usual, then run the server program with the appropriate options to point to the new world.
18:10	VanessaE	configuring your router/modem/firewall is the hard part
18:10	VanessaE	as that varies from computer to computer
18:12	kahrl	huh, I thought you were selling minetest you should know this stuff
18:12	Prestotron562_	Selling?
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18:13	* Jordach	high fives kahrl
18:14	Prestotron562_	Are you talking about the donations?
18:14	Prestotron562_	GTG bye
18:14	Jordach	thank fuck, he's gone
18:15	nore	bbl
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18:15	Jordach	one does not simply get a ping timeout of 0.001 seconds
18:17	OldCoder	That seems rather strict
18:19	TheLastProject	Jordach: If it doesn't start with "Quit: ", it's a personal quit message :P
18:19	Jordach	TheLastProject, haha
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18:50	* Jordach	drops the bass
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18:58	VanessaE	when I drop the bass, people look at me funny....because of my choice in music :P
19:00	sethj	http://i.imgur.com/2bsA2sO.jpg what I will do for mese... and it's not even rare lol.
19:01	VanessaE	hardly.
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19:02	VanessaE	john_minetest: gimme a sec to find an example
19:04	* Jordach	found 1/3 dubstep gun songs
19:04	Mati^1	hi all
19:04	Jordach	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb4bMOe_7Xg
19:05	Mati^1	I have a problem with Microsoft ACPI-konformes System help me !? :D pleace
19:05	Jordach	Mati^1, sounds like a acpi driver issue to me
19:06	Mati^1	yes but i have driver oryginal mainboard and sound all ok and steel the same problem
19:06	Mati^1	an grafik to
19:06	VanessaE	john_minetest: http://www.last.fm/music/Tomas+Danko/_/Comic+Bakery
19:06	VanessaE	turn the bass up and hit "preview"
19:07	Mati^1	wow vanessa nice
19:08	VanessaE	that's a remix done by Thomas Danko from a tune originally written for the Commodore 64 by Martin Galway
19:08	Mati^1	Daft Punk-Random Access Memories\12. Doin' It Right (feat. Panda Bear).mp3
19:08	VanessaE	imagine this in a car with 600W of bass :D
19:08	Mati^1	i know this sound ;D
19:09	* VanessaE	has a pair of 12's attached to a Pioneer 600W amp and Kenwood head unit
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19:11	Calinou	my 20â‚¬ headphones are very good, better than a 100â‚¬ one praised by reviews
19:12	Calinou	that sounds like a weapon name lol
19:12	VanessaE	john_minetest: if you want the whole thing, http://c64audio.com/productInfo.php?cat=C64CD2 (or torrent it if you have to)
19:12	VanessaE	john_minetest: you use studio cans?
19:13	VanessaE	john_minetest: heh, good luck finding it via youtube, I tried already :P
19:13	VanessaE	john_minetest: well, yes actually. How the hell did you find it?
19:14	VanessaE	your Google-fu is better than mine :)
19:14	PilzAdam	I have exactly 200 posts less than Jordach
19:15	* PilzAdam	creates a "PilzAdam counts to 200" topic ;-)
19:16	VanessaE	hah
19:16	PilzAdam	sfan5, http://dev.minetest.net/index.php?title=Changelog&curid=366&diff=1506&oldid=1498&rcid=1626
19:16	PilzAdam	wasnt color support in formspecs added after 0.4.7?
19:17	VanessaE	!title
19:17	MinetestBot	VanessaE: DjCode-Journey to the moon-[Journey EP] - YouTube
19:17	Jordach	PilzAdam, don't make me use the code to sfan5's sfan5-bot
19:17	* VanessaE	listens.
19:17	VanessaE	ooooo
19:18	VanessaE	interesting.
19:18	Jordach	VanessaE, i use studio cans
19:18	Jordach	i've also bought stronger neodynium magnets for improved bass
19:19	sfan5	PilzAdam: no?
19:19	sfan5	wait
19:19	Calinou	lol, audiophile discussion
19:20	PilzAdam	sfan5, it was added with Lua menu
19:20	VanessaE	Calinou: a music lover listens to the music. an audiophile listens to the noise :P
19:20	PilzAdam	967121a34bbc60e6b46c7ec470b151f668ef1fef
19:21	PilzAdam	sfan5, I guess color support belongs in a list of all the new formspec stuff that was added with Lua menu
19:21	PilzAdam	feel free to write that list
19:21	Calinou	an audiophile listens to the sound of his coins dropping on the floor, alternatively
19:21	VanessaE	heh
19:23	VanessaE	I just have a pair of low-end Altec Lansing speakers on the PC, no need to spend gobs of money on that
19:23	Peacock	sennheiser
19:24	Peacock	wasn't austria conquered by australia?
19:24	Peacock	:P
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19:27	Peacock	well thats right up there with thinking canada is part of the usa lol
19:27	VanessaE	the USA annexed it.
19:27	VanessaE	:P
19:27	VanessaE	(or so the government here would like)
19:27	Peacock	impossible, our gov't gets shit done :P
19:27	VanessaE	heh
19:27	Jordach	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=108711#p108711
19:28	VanessaE	nice
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19:59	PilzAdam	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=108735#p108735
19:59	PilzAdam	WTF
19:59	PilzAdam	why does this guy constantly post Minecraft mods and texture packs?
20:01	Jordach	is this guy LM's retarded cousin or something
20:02	PilzAdam	oh
20:02	PilzAdam	he also double-posted: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=108737#p108737
20:02	PilzAdam	someone should consider to ban him
20:07	Calinou	never use "retarded" as an insult
20:07	sfan5	PilzAdam wrote:\nIt only takes ~30 seconds for me.\nIt depends on the slowness of your computer.
20:07	sfan5	^ lol
20:07	sfan5	s/lol/plol/
20:08	* PilzAdam	has a fast computer o/
20:11	* Jordach	too
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20:12	iqualfragile	PilzAdam: Sokomine should consider to react to my irc messages ;(
20:12	VanessaE	PilzAdam: warned by PM.
20:13	Calinou	iqualfragile: she is probably away
20:13	VanessaE	(and instructed not to continue)
20:13	Calinou	* [Sokomine] inactif 05:26:44
20:13	Calinou	did not PM or say anything on a channel since 5:26 hours
20:13	Calinou	(notices don't count)
20:13	Peacock	you want a retarded post? check this one out in screenshots lol: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=108746#p108746
20:13	iqualfragile	i was about to say *inactive, then i remembered you are french
20:14	iqualfragile	but ok, thanks
20:14	iqualfragile	!seen jeija
20:14	MinetestBot	iqualfragile: Sorry, I haven't seen jeija around.
20:16	VanessaE	bah, ninja'd by sfan5 by 30 seconds.
20:19	Jordach	VanessaE, next time i'm on IRC, and at my girlfriends: mario kart wii?
20:19	VanessaE	heh, you'll kick my ass :P
20:20	* sfan5	has Mario Kart wii too
20:20	Calinou	super tux kart > mario kart
20:20	VanessaE	besides, my WiFi is not set up properly (too lazy), so the Wii can't go online.
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20:20	Peacock	you need a new wifi unicorn
20:20	sfan5	Calinou: ack
20:20	Peacock	lol
20:21	Peacock	tux cart: graphics fucked up on all my rigs lol
20:21	Calinou	tux cart is insanely old
20:21	Jordach	smash bros. brawl anyone?
20:21	Jordach	(i did PWN NekoGloop at it)
20:21	pitriss	Hi, please I want to ask.. Is possible to disable fog from config? I used enable_fog = false but it doesn't work for me.. Should I try latest client or it is broken?
20:21	NekoGloop	(I suck at brawl)
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20:23	kaeza	pitriss, I think F3 does it
20:24	pitriss	kaeza: yep that works.. but.. i wnated to switch that off by default..
20:24	Jordach	VanessaE, TORCS
20:24	VanessaE	please, I suck even worse at that than at mario kart.
20:24	VanessaE	(I used to be good at Gran Turismo 1 back on the PSX, though)
20:28	NekoGloop	(I still suck at brawl)
20:29	NekoGloop	I don't even remember playing against you, but I know I suck at brawl
20:30	Calinou	how about Stunt Rally :-d
20:31	Jordach	NekoGloop, i beat you with Captain Falcon, 'nuff said
20:32	NekoGloop	Captain Falcon isn't that bad, unless there's something I don't know
20:32	* Jordach	has beaten mortal kombat on the highest difficulty
20:36	Jordach	wtf
20:36	Jordach	youtube stopped audio skipping in chrome
20:38	NekoGloop	?
20:38	Jordach	youtube normally cracks and pops
20:38	Jordach	it's gone, which shouldn't have happened
20:38	NekoGloop	... ?
20:39	NekoGloop	I've... not ever had a problem?
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20:39	Jordach	oh, there it is
20:39	NekoGloop	What are you even talking about?
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20:40	Jordach	NekoGloop, youtube in the browser doesn't work correctly for me, even with HTML5 enabled
20:41	NekoGloop	you're insane
20:42	khonkhortisan	enable realtime audio if it can handle it
20:42	sfan5	Jordach: i have a bot over in ##mt-irc-mod that executes lua code from IRC
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20:42	Peacock	html5 youtube is pretty sucky yeah
20:43	Jordach	even flash player garbles
20:43	Peacock	at least it played the right video
20:43	Jordach	this is like listening to a scratched CD
20:43	Peacock	half the time i load a new page, it replays the last video, that's when it loads
20:43	Peacock	there also used to be this mode/size between small and fullscreen that miss
20:43	Peacock	*i miss
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20:44	TheUniversalBuil	Hello
20:44	TheUniversalBuil	?
20:45	khonkhortisan	what is a buil?
20:45	TheUniversalBuil	What are the differences between normal mesecon and insulated mesecon/?
20:45	TheUniversalBuil	builder
20:45	VanessaE	an insulated one won't connect to other mesecons wires.
20:45	khonkhortisan	you can have multiple lines of wires right next to each other
20:45	TheUniversalBuil	cant fit whole gamer tag
20:46	VanessaE	you can run multiple parallel lines
20:46	khonkhortisan	uninsulated autoconnect
20:46	sfan5	TheUniversalBuil: the insulated mesecons doesn't connect to other if not directly placed in line with other insulated wires
20:46	VanessaE	you can build much more compact circuits with them
20:46	khonkhortisan	any turns or intersections must be placed manually
20:46	Peacock	couldnt you just have one set of wires and toggle autoconnect?
20:47	TheUniversalBuil	so normal mesecons will have a circuit if placed \|\| adjacent
20:47	sfan5	yes
20:47	TheUniversalBuil	but insulated mesecone wont if placed adjacent \|\| right?
20:47	khonkhortisan	possibly, but where would you store autoconnect? per-node, or per-player?
20:47	Peacock	an array and a chat command would be simplest
20:47	TheUniversalBuil	Per node?
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20:48	Peacock	if autoconnect[playername] then autoconnect(pos) something like that
20:48	TheUniversalBuil	Thanks for the help guys :D
20:48	khonkhortisan	that would use insulated wires, to keep them from continually autoconnecting
20:49	Peacock	does an abm run on the wires to autoconnect?
20:49	TheUniversalBuil	ok
20:49	khonkhortisan	it's an on-place
20:49	sfan5	good night everyone
20:49	Peacock	yeah so a simple table should do it
20:49	khonkhortisan	that searches immediate neighbors
20:49	VanessaE	well rather than one set of wires, keep the two sets and use shift while you place an insulated to decide if they autoconnect
20:50	Peacock	defeats the purpose of reducing the number of redundant nodes :p
20:50	khonkhortisan	But shift is already used to build in the air from a lÂµaController
20:50	VanessaE	oh.
20:50	khonkhortisan	we don't have enough nodes yet, I can't have a bunch of wires, then turn them vertical all at the same time, then angle them horizontal again.
20:51	khonkhortisan	I have to have every other one turn early
20:51	khonkhortisan	But I build insulated
20:51	VanessaE	is it possible to detect 'cave air'?
20:52	Peacock	lol well im trying to cut down on the # of nodes on my game (from over 1K to 700 now) - old computers and performance and all
20:52	khonkhortisan	what do you mean?
20:52	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: just what I mean - is it possible to detect air that's only present in a cave?
20:52	khonkhortisan	actually, don't wires use more nodes than insulated?
20:53	VanessaE	Peacock: only 1k? pfft. I think my game has somewhere north of 5k
20:53	khonkhortisan	if you can tie to the world generation
20:53	khonkhortisan	She uses color nodes
20:53	Peacock	im surprised old computers can even log on :P over 1K and the p4 has trouble doing all the inventory images
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20:55	Peacock	though with upside-down placement i was able to remove over 300 nodes (same nodebox done in different directions)
20:55	TheUniversalBuil	differences between lever, switches, buttons on the effect of mesecons?
20:55	TheUniversalBuil	*what are
20:56	sfan5	you can toggle level and switches on/off
20:56	sfan5	the button just stays on for 1.5 secs when pressed
20:56	TheUniversalBuil	oh
20:57	TheUniversalBuil	so the machine stays on for 1 second if a button is used to turn it on?
20:57	TheUniversalBuil	wait nvm
20:57	TheUniversalBuil	i get it
20:57	TheUniversalBuil	thanks
20:59	jojoa1997	is replacements in recipe (item in, item out)?
21:01	TheUniversalBuil	if a node breaker break breaks a node where does the node go?
21:06	TheUniversalBuil	nvm
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21:21	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:24	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:25	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:25	khonkhortisan	no one is here
21:25	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:26	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:26	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:27	Jordach	Prestotron562, that's because NOT everyone lives in the US
21:27	kaeza	can someone explain? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=108767#p108767
21:27	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:27	Jordach	and they have lobs
21:28	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:28	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:28	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:28	khonkhortisan	s/threw/through
21:28	Jordach	kaeza, there's several posts in trash with the identical content
21:28	Jordach	^ VanessaE
21:29	khonkhortisan	shema is part of the hebrew bible?
21:29	khonkhortisan	I think "you got linux so you might want minecraft" is the main point
21:29	Jordach	moved it to trash
21:30	kaeza	I read that as "Cracked Minecraft" or smth
21:30	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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21:30	Jordach	kaeza, the sae
21:30	Jordach	same
21:30	khonkhortisan	I only play daily if I am working on a large project
21:30	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:31	khonkhortisan	Where am I in that percentage if I don't have minecraft?
21:31	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:31	khonkhortisan	I neither use it or can quit it
21:31	khonkhortisan	*nor
21:31	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:31	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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21:32	Jordach	Prestotron562, from an average downloads, 100,000 for 0.3.1, 40,000 for all current 0.4.x series
21:33	Jordach	those are totals; not to be confused with average
21:33	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:33	khonkhortisan	Your use of minetest, whether on the internet or locally, means you allow us to track you as one of the number of people playing currently.
21:33	Jordach	daily average, that depends
21:34	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:35	Jordach	people might have jobs, chores, holiday events, and other influences
21:35	Jordach	a simple way to do this would be to ping a server with the version you use to get a telemetric of users currently playing minetest
21:36	Jordach	and on client close, the client pings again to signal that the client is dead
21:36	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:36	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:36	Jordach	the ping should only contain the version number and operating system, which can be turned off and on again
21:37	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:38	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:39	TheUniversalBuil	whats the differernce between using copper cables and mesecons?
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21:40	TheUniversalBuil	well whats the difference with using them and mesecons
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21:42	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:44	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: sh'ma or shema, "listen".
21:44	VanessaE	(alternatively, "hark", "hear", etc.)
21:45	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:45	TheUniversalBuil	OHHH
21:45	TheUniversalBuil	Thanks guys
21:45	khonkhortisan	My calculator doesn't work because I used digilines for the digits.
21:46	VanessaE	as for the rest of his mixed-up post, I dunno wtf he's talkign about
21:46	TheUniversalBuil	but for mesecons you said it doesnt need a power source to run
21:46	TheUniversalBuil	twhat do you mean by that?
21:47	VanessaE	mesecons are self-powered.
21:47	khonkhortisan	A wire can either be on or off.
21:47	VanessaE	a switch is, itself, a power source
21:47	khonkhortisan	Off wire NAND off wire = on wire
21:47	VanessaE	imagine that each switch, wall lever, button, gate, controller, etc has a small battery in it.
21:47	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:47	VanessaE	when a switch, gate, etc. turns on, it routes that battery's infinite supply of power to the wire
21:47	VanessaE	he doesn't come online here
21:47	khonkhortisan	off wire + NOT gate = on wire, + NOT gate = off wire
21:48	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:48	VanessaE	but you can find him elsewhere often around 5 or 6am EST.
21:48	khonkhortisan	wire + NOT gate + same wire = alternator
21:48	TheUniversalBuil	oh
21:48	VanessaE	he doesn't like receiving email at all.
21:48	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:48	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:48	VanessaE	am
21:48	VanessaE	and I guess you have to leave a message on the forum or something
21:49	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:49	VanessaE	it's complicated.
21:49	VanessaE	better you should ask him when you get his ear.
21:49	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:49	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:49	VanessaE	#minetest-dev but don't chit-chat on that channel
21:49	VanessaE	it's just the way he is :-/
21:50	TheUniversalBuil	so you dont need an energy source for mesecon. you only need a switch and mesecon to power a machine, right?
21:50	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:51	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:52	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:52	PilzAdam	webchat is muted in -deb
21:52	PilzAdam	*dev
21:53	PilzAdam	btw, I think all your e-mails go into his spam folder
21:53	Jordach	Prestotron562, just leave him alone
21:53	Jordach	that's the BEST thing you can do
21:54	Prestotron562	[deleted]
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21:56	VanessaE	oh yeah, forgot about the mute
21:56	VanessaE	it's just as well
21:56	VanessaE	you don't want to talk to c55 anyway
21:57	VanessaE	anything you could direct at him really can be directed at most of the other devs too since it's a team project
21:57	khonkhortisan	TheUniversalBuil, You only need a switch (and the optional mesecon in between) to turn the machine on. It doesn't power it.
21:57	Prestotron562	[deleted]
21:57	khonkhortisan	If it's a technic machine, it may also need power.
21:58	khonkhortisan	I like how mese darkens instead of brightens now, it makes it seem more like an unnatural wire
22:00	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:00	Prestotron562	[deleted]
22:01	proller	need to remove server_address = - its not for all
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22:12	khonkhortisan	doesn't it only go up to 255?
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22:32	PilzAdam	...
22:34	kahrl	Â·Â·Â·
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22:39	PilzAdam	Kubuntu FTW
22:41	kaeza	no, Puppy :3
22:41	kaeza	:<
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22:42	kaeza	I tried TinyCore today... the thing looks good so far
22:43	kaeza	only use it to host a webserver though :P
22:43	PilzAdam	john_minetest, you are doing it wrong
22:43	PilzAdam	the point is to not agree with others
22:43	jojoa1997	hi
22:43	kaeza	jojoa1997, no u
22:44	kaeza	wat
22:44	jojoa1997	hay how come my icon for github changed
22:44	kaeza	john_minetest, in Puppy you are always root, beat that
22:45	PilzAdam	in Windows you are always root, too
22:45	Tiktalik	PilzAdam: Not really, in Windows 7 you have to give administrator permission specifically to mess with some things
22:45	PilzAdam	even if you are not root, viruses can still get root
22:46	Tiktalik	but yeah
22:46	Tiktalik	anything that could yoink the mouse control from you
22:46	kaeza	<WindowsUser> wat is root
22:47	PilzAdam	Windows admin thing just restricts users, not the malware
22:47	kaeza	http://linuxgazette.net/173/misc/grebler/your-mouse-has-moved.png
22:48	kaeza	ironically, I originally saw that image for the first time bundled with a MS-DOS web browser :<
22:50	PilzAdam	is anyone interested in testing the stone monster in Pilztest?
22:53	kaeza	http://www.glennmcc.org/arachne/
22:55	* VanessaE	pokes bas080
23:10	kahrl	PilzAdam, now that I found some food I will
23:11	PilzAdam	how long have you searched?
23:12	Peacock	mothereffing hipsters - they used to grow mushrooms here, now theyre growing on their own on the melamine by the fridge :/
23:13	VanessaE	oh my
23:13	Peacock	little brown ones
23:13	VanessaE	perhaps you should turn on the de-humidifier
23:13	Peacock	they look like the kind you get at the grocery store
23:13	kahrl	PilzAdam: I'm at -276/1687
23:14	kahrl	took several in game days, walking mostly straight north through ocean and forests
23:14	PilzAdam	sounds like fun when you get slower and slower due to hunger
23:14	kahrl	yeah :P
23:15	kahrl	I did it immediately after I respawned though so I didn't slow down
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23:16	PilzAdam	I never had to walk that far to find pumpkins
23:17	kahrl	at least they grow fast so now I have infinite
23:18	PilzAdam	are you on the mobs branch yet?
23:18	kahrl	yup
23:22	Tiktalik	Peacock: perhaps you should eat them,
23:22	Tiktalik	nothing could possibly go wrong
23:23	Peacock	thinking of simply ripping out that plank of melamine
23:23	Tiktalik	/nick I_GIVE_BAD_ADVICE
23:23	Peacock	all it does is hide the back of the fridge
23:23	Peacock	which honestly, is bad for ventilation
23:23	Tiktalik	bleach it
23:24	Peacock	did that
23:24	Tiktalik	how long
23:24	Peacock	then put a mountain of salt in the area
23:24	Peacock	going to the landlords' tomorrow, either they take the plank out or i will lol
23:25	Tiktalik	ah, good
23:25	Peacock	when i was applying bleach, the plank itself was crumbling in my sponge
23:25	Peacock	im pretty sure the landlord will be partial to removing the plank before the whole cabinets have to be re-done lol
23:27	Peacock	otherwise like i said, im pretty good with accidental damage hehe
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23:47	TheUniversalBuil	How do i power my extractor?
23:49	TheUniversalBuil	?
23:53	VanessaE	andersje: awake?
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