| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:01 |
VanessaE |
a little of all of the above. |
| 00:01 |
VanessaE |
he moved twice, got swamped by work, and well the internet issue remains unconfirmed. |
| 00:02 |
Inocudom |
Why does he need to move so much? |
| 00:02 |
VanessaE |
idk |
| 00:02 |
VanessaE |
trying to find a good place that's cheap enough |
| 00:02 |
VanessaE |
his financial situation is...dismal. |
| 00:02 |
Inocudom |
Swamped by work... That is not fun at all... |
| 00:02 |
VanessaE |
or was when we last talked. |
| 00:03 |
Evergreen |
Ugh, sounds awful |
| 00:04 |
Inocudom |
The financial situation of me and my parents isn't too good either, but we are able to stay in our house. |
| 00:06 |
Peacock |
heck i moved 4 times in 2 years lol by now i have recurring dreams that im moving and i actually wake up with back pain as if i did lol |
| 00:06 |
VanessaE |
oh jeez |
| 00:07 |
Peacock |
last place was OK until some really trashy neighbours moved in and it became unlivable |
| 00:07 |
Peacock |
thats why we aimed for something with a higher rent |
| 00:07 |
Jordach |
hello Inocudom, didn't see you there :P |
| 00:07 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I moved twice this year, still have a lot of stuff in storage, and I guess I still have a room in an apartment (that I haven't lived in since mid-July) for a couple more days. |
| 00:08 |
Peacock |
(you dont do car repairs with blazing lights and music between midnight and 2am lol) |
| 00:08 |
thefamilygrog66 |
managed to sell a house and buy another one in the meantime |
| 00:08 |
VanessaE |
the place abe and I are in, with some luck, will be the last. |
| 00:08 |
Peacock |
our current place has an extra room we don't really need, but anything smaller would bring us back to the bad-neighbour paradigm lol |
| 00:09 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: to be fair, I was out working on my car a couple weeks ago at 4am :D |
| 00:09 |
thefamilygrog66 |
haha |
| 00:09 |
VanessaE |
(but without the blasting music) |
| 00:09 |
Peacock |
or big halogen spotlights? |
| 00:09 |
thefamilygrog66 |
you write like a Canadian, Peacock. or a Brit. |
| 00:09 |
Peacock |
french canadian :P learned brit english :P |
| 00:09 |
VanessaE |
no, just a little 100W-equivalent drop lamp :) |
| 00:10 |
Peacock |
drop-lamp not so bad, i had the halogen spots shining into our place (1st floor) |
| 00:10 |
thefamilygrog66 |
haha, cool. I live in Kingston myself. |
| 00:10 |
Peacock |
Queens U? |
| 00:10 |
thefamilygrog66 |
20 or so years ago, yeah! |
| 00:10 |
Peacock |
the Kingston with Queens University i mean |
| 00:10 |
thexyz |
kahrl: octet-stream is ok, i guess |
| 00:10 |
thefamilygrog66 |
yes, that noe |
| 00:10 |
thefamilygrog66 |
*one |
| 00:10 |
Peacock |
ah my sister went there 15 years ago, so i visited a few times |
| 00:10 |
Peacock |
alot like the town i live in now |
| 00:11 |
thefamilygrog66 |
right on |
| 00:11 |
Peacock |
she got married in Gananoque (sp?) |
| 00:11 |
Peacock |
though that night's a bit of a blur for all of us lol |
| 00:11 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I hadn't lived in the city for a dozen or so years - been in rural and woodsy areas - but just moved back here |
| 00:11 |
thefamilygrog66 |
you spelled Gan correctly! |
| 00:12 |
Peacock |
damn, i miss the spelling on much easier words lol |
| 00:12 |
thefamilygrog66 |
hehe |
| 00:12 |
Peacock |
what brought you back to kingston, work? |
| 00:13 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I've been working here since '99, but eventually got tired of all the driving (my last house was 50km north |
| 00:13 |
Peacock |
that all? ive done Toronto, Montreal, and now central Quebec lol |
| 00:13 |
Peacock |
moved to the small town so i wound't need a car |
| 00:14 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I only really use my van to cart around my kids now, which is nice |
| 00:14 |
thefamilygrog66 |
have lived in Ottawa, K-town and Vancouver |
| 00:14 |
Peacock |
id go out and live in the woods if i could, but the wife needs to see normal people on a regular basis :p |
| 00:14 |
thefamilygrog66 |
haha, true enough |
| 00:14 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I miss elements of it for sure |
| 00:15 |
Peacock |
Ottawa sounds cool, id be afraid of living on Vancouver though |
| 00:15 |
Peacock |
well one thing i wouldn't look forward to: septic tanks lol |
| 00:15 |
thefamilygrog66 |
it's a little scary. I lived there in the mid-90s |
| 00:15 |
Peacock |
aparently its worse now |
| 00:15 |
thefamilygrog66 |
septic tanks are the devil |
| 00:15 |
Peacock |
tho mtl and TO are worse now than before too so lol |
| 00:15 |
Peacock |
TO: Crack addict Mayor |
| 00:16 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Van was pretty bad when I was there, lotsa junkies, etc. |
| 00:16 |
thefamilygrog66 |
He's hilarious! |
| 00:16 |
Peacock |
MTL: 2 mayors in one year resigned over mafia-related corruption charges lol |
| 00:16 |
Peacock |
my friends say there's a lot of meth-heads in TO now too |
| 00:16 |
thefamilygrog66 |
keeping it classy |
| 00:17 |
Peacock |
well MTL is like the gateway to north america for cocaine, so you can guess the #1 hard drug of choice here lol |
| 00:17 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I like Montreal - people dance when I play music there. Lots of beautiful women, too. |
| 00:18 |
Peacock |
montreal is a nice place to party, but you want to live off-island lol |
| 00:18 |
Peacock |
the tickets, the streetgangs, the taxes, no wonder 1/3 of montrealers are below poverty line lol |
| 00:19 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I'm sure that's the case. I haven't played there in awhile - played at L'Escogriffe a few times and Quai des Brumes |
| 00:19 |
Peacock |
what kind of music you play? |
| 00:21 |
Peacock |
ive worked at modavie - live jazz place, apart from that ive been to every other bar/club at least once lol |
| 00:22 |
thefamilygrog66 |
The last bunch of times I've played MTL was as a one-man band, doing swampy bluesy rockabilly sort of stuff. Drums/percussion with my feet, guitar with my hands, harmonica, kazoo and growling with my mouth. Hah! |
| 00:23 |
Peacock |
not bad, though these days its mostly dubstep and fake DJs everywhere lol |
| 00:23 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I also sing and play combo organ for a '60s garage-punk band, and vocals and bass in a schlocky metal band. |
| 00:24 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Mostly known for solo recordings I made back in the '90s - that was '60s psych stuff mainly. |
| 00:24 |
Peacock |
so you must like the early pink floyd stuff |
| 00:24 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Syd Barrett stuff a lot, yes. |
| 00:25 |
Peacock |
i only sign after 12 or 14 beers, and even then it's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8hjtFq3vE0) |
| 00:25 |
thefamilygrog66 |
haha, 12 or 14! It's been awhile since I could pull that off. |
| 00:26 |
Peacock |
i loved the early pink floyd stuff around 16-18 (in combo with some substances lol) |
| 00:26 |
khonkhortisan |
Is there a make uninstall? |
| 00:26 |
Jordach |
khonkhortisan, sudo rm -r * (don't try) |
| 00:26 |
Peacock |
12-14 not so bad, 36 gave me headaches for two days lol |
| 00:26 |
khonkhortisan |
I can't figure out why the only singleplayer world that shows up in the list is an old one |
| 00:27 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Nice, that's when I got into that stuff as well. Been into the whole '60s garage/psych thing since. |
| 00:27 |
Peacock |
the only problem with pink floyd/hendrix and co is theyre not making anything new, eventually you know it all by heart |
| 00:27 |
Peacock |
(well, hendrix cant really make anything new XD) |
| 00:27 |
thefamilygrog66 |
yep. |
| 00:28 |
Peacock |
even the newest pink floyd stuff was too new agey for me lol |
| 00:28 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I'll send you a link to a fan-made video for one of my solo songs - definitely early Floyd-influenced. |
| 00:30 |
Peacock |
does remind me of syd |
| 00:30 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Add //about. 203c3da2af 2013-08-28T17:28:49-07:00 http://git.io/2gIftQ |
| 00:32 |
Peacock |
this one caused a bad trip lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tr-0LgKreg |
| 00:32 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I wrote that one when I was 25 or so, recorded all the instruments myself on an 8-track reel-to-reel in 1998. |
| 00:32 |
VanessaE |
ah HAH, he IS alive! |
| 00:32 |
Peacock |
8-track, was gonna say, doesn't sound lo-fi at all |
| 00:33 |
NekoGloopMkII |
lol, are you guys watching like every repo or something |
| 00:33 |
Peacock |
compared to alot of yt songs |
| 00:33 |
Peacock |
my only car had an 8track |
| 00:34 |
thefamilygrog66 |
8-track as in 8 channel recording device, not the old 8 track cassettes! |
| 00:34 |
Peacock |
http://www.newyorkeronline.org/membercars/74-78/darrylskerman/77NYB_20.jpg |
| 00:34 |
Peacock |
8track still worked lol |
| 00:34 |
Peacock |
engine blew though lol |
| 00:34 |
thefamilygrog66 |
haha |
| 00:35 |
Peacock |
that was before gas prices went insanely up lol |
| 00:35 |
thefamilygrog66 |
they were around when I was a kid, back in the '70s |
| 00:35 |
Miner_48er |
!up 75.131.40.131 30000 |
| 00:35 |
MinetestBot |
75.131.40.131:30000 is up (463ms) |
| 00:35 |
Peacock |
and even then it still cost 90$ for a full tank |
| 00:35 |
thefamilygrog66 |
no kidding |
| 00:35 |
khonkhortisan |
Where is the code that decides if a world is legitimate? |
| 00:35 |
* NekoGloopMkII |
noms khonkhortisan |
| 00:36 |
thefamilygrog66 |
thanks for the move, V! |
| 00:36 |
khonkhortisan |
spit my worlds back out! |
| 00:36 |
VanessaE |
sure thing |
| 00:36 |
NekoGloopMkII |
:3 |
| 00:37 |
khonkhortisan |
It only sees one of my worlds. If I move it, the list is empty. If I create a new one, it doesn't get added to the list. Minetest mentions all my worlds (even the invalid ones) on startup in the terminal. |
| 00:37 |
Peacock |
your world is legitimate if it has both a mother and father on the birth certificate |
| 00:37 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I'm totally gonna add groans/screams/etc. to it when the player changes heads |
| 00:37 |
Peacock |
skrillex could help with that |
| 00:38 |
Inocudom |
Your worlds do that, khonkhortisan? I never had a problem like that. |
| 00:38 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I'm not entirely convince that skrillex and Corey Feldman aren't the same person. I've never seen them in the same room together... |
| 00:38 |
khonkhortisan |
My worlds _should_ be fine, they just don't show up in the singleplayer list. |
| 00:38 |
thefamilygrog66 |
*convinced |
| 00:38 |
Peacock |
im still trying to figure out the sexe |
| 00:39 |
Peacock |
same goes for justin bieber and one direction |
| 00:39 |
Inocudom |
Does anyone else have that issue with their singleplayer worlds? |
| 00:40 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I don't think I've seen that issue, Inocudom |
| 00:41 |
kaeza |
can someone spot an error in this? http://pastebin.com/dPWUb0B3 |
| 00:41 |
kaeza |
it's showing as an unknown item in the craft result |
| 00:41 |
Peacock |
i *had* an issue where my 1 world didn't show up in the list because it was selected, but PA fixed that |
| 00:42 |
Inocudom |
The earth, for whatever reason, is not too stable these days. Look up the Signs Of Change This Past Week Or So series on Youtube. |
| 00:42 |
PilzAdam |
Peacock, I fixed something? |
| 00:42 |
Peacock |
i think the threads still there |
| 00:42 |
PilzAdam |
that was not intentional ;-) |
| 00:42 |
Inocudom |
Lots of natural disasters these days. Sort of reminds me of the end of the world in Final Fantasy VI. |
| 00:43 |
Peacock |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6822 |
| 00:43 |
Peacock |
youre the one who fixed it i think :P |
| 00:43 |
PilzAdam |
ah, that one |
| 00:43 |
Peacock |
sortof similar to kohnkhortisan's problem |
| 00:43 |
PilzAdam |
the problem was that the gamefilter filtered the worldlist in the serverlist too |
| 00:44 |
PilzAdam |
*servertab |
| 00:46 |
NekoGloopMkII |
Is that a problem? |
| 00:46 |
kaeza |
aww fak |
| 00:46 |
Inocudom |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5397 The patch in this topic could be tested again in a current build. Zeg9 said that a mod can't have such a functionality. |
| 00:46 |
kaeza |
I was editing the wrong file |
| 00:46 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 00:47 |
Peacock |
thats okay, i made changes to a mod and wondered why it didn't kick in, then i realized, i was editing from the wrong git build folder lol |
| 00:47 |
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| 00:49 |
Inocudom |
For anyone that is interested, Fess made a new build today. |
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| 01:07 |
khonkhortisan |
The world that's selected in the conf doesn't show up, but for some other reason |
| 01:08 |
Peacock |
what happens when you comment it out from conf? |
| 01:09 |
khonkhortisan |
what's the comment character? |
| 01:09 |
Peacock |
uhm, # i think |
| 01:09 |
Peacock |
(or just cut the line to clipboard while you try it out) |
| 01:10 |
khonkhortisan |
I wonder why vim knows to highlight the conf.example |
| 01:10 |
khonkhortisan |
nothing happened |
| 01:10 |
Peacock |
#betazoid-apps, they know everything youre thinking :p |
| 01:10 |
Peacock |
still not showing up? dang |
| 01:11 |
Peacock |
wait, was minetest completely closed when you changed the conf? |
| 01:11 |
khonkhortisan |
oh, it added the same line somewhere else |
| 01:11 |
khonkhortisan |
yes it was |
| 01:11 |
Peacock |
well if it re-added the line then somehow it was still running or the change didn't save |
| 01:12 |
khonkhortisan |
Starting the only world that does appear in the list changes the selected world in the conf |
| 01:12 |
pgrytdal |
VanessaE, I had an issue with your Furniture mod :S I get this error: http://imgur.com/mwsVjdo |
| 01:13 |
Peacock |
you can rename mods like that |
| 01:13 |
Peacock |
change FurnMod2 to homedecor |
| 01:14 |
khonkhortisan |
the init.lua will create nodes with the name "modname:nodename", the file has to be in mods/modname/init.lua |
| 01:17 |
VanessaE |
FurnMod? |
| 01:17 |
VanessaE |
that's not mine |
| 01:17 |
VanessaE |
maybe you mean lrfurn, which needs to be named "lrfurn". |
| 01:17 |
VanessaE |
Home Decor mod has to be named "homedecor" |
| 01:17 |
khonkhortisan |
the init.lua says what it is |
| 01:18 |
VanessaE |
the folder name I mean |
| 01:19 |
khonkhortisan |
mainmenu_last_selected_world, is that based on the order the worlds appear in the singleplayer list? |
| 01:19 |
khonkhortisan |
because it's 2, and only one appears. |
| 01:20 |
pgrytdal |
I changed the name of the folder to something I thought wold be more memorable. Apparently, you can do that, as I was told, so I changed it back. |
| 01:20 |
VanessaE |
pgrytdal: that's correct - folder names are important in mods. |
| 01:20 |
khonkhortisan |
If I move my minetest.conf, the singleplayer world list is completely empty. |
| 01:20 |
VanessaE |
they must be named exactly as the mod author specifies. |
| 01:21 |
khonkhortisan |
then I create a new world, the same old world shows up again. |
| 01:22 |
Peacock |
gads, i cant stand to read another article on syria, national post must be pumping out a dozen a day |
| 01:24 |
Peacock |
scary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lvG0jm0B5Y |
| 01:24 |
pgrytdal |
Now this is all I get: http://imgur.com/42lFVgN |
| 01:25 |
VanessaE |
pgrytdal: /grant singleplayer all and then /teleport 0,20,0 |
| 01:25 |
VanessaE |
you're probably underground |
| 01:26 |
VanessaE |
though, come to think of it, I think one of my worlds does that too |
| 01:26 |
PilzAdam |
you most likely spawned in a tree |
| 01:27 |
pgrytdal |
VanessaE I was making a cave house, but I had torches up... I'll try the command you gave me... I put that in chat, right? |
| 01:27 |
khonkhortisan |
is there an easy way to turn off luamenu? |
| 01:27 |
Peacock |
spawned in a tree? http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/face-of-jesus-christ-appears-on-tree-stump-at-belfast-cemetery-28779728.html |
| 01:27 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 01:27 |
kahrl |
khonkhortisan: git checkout 0.4.7\ |
| 01:28 |
kahrl |
-\ |
| 01:28 |
Peacock |
looks like my brazilian griefer problem is solving itself: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23874915#TWEET871465 |
| 01:28 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 01:28 |
khonkhortisan |
...its hard to tell just how the apostrophe left the first word of this sentence |
| 01:31 |
khonkhortisan |
If I'm lucky, it's something I can bisect |
| 01:33 |
pgrytdal |
VanessaE That worked =) |
| 01:33 |
VanessaE |
were you underground, or..? |
| 01:34 |
Peacock |
jesus reincarnated in a tree? |
| 01:34 |
Peacock |
(easter egg idea for moretrees :P) |
| 01:34 |
VanessaE |
not even |
| 01:35 |
khonkhortisan |
nyan cat meets jesus tree |
| 01:35 |
Peacock |
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/UUnH9NECSUU/hqdefault.jpg |
| 01:35 |
Peacock |
:P |
| 01:35 |
Peacock |
"thats not god, its just a waffle stuck on the ceiling" |
| 01:36 |
Peacock |
food mod - ceiling waffle :P |
| 01:36 |
Peacock |
actually with 6d that'd be easy |
| 01:36 |
khonkhortisan |
(spider pig) |
| 01:37 |
khonkhortisan |
I dare you to write on a sign with the text upside-down |
| 01:37 |
khonkhortisan |
You may use a screwdriver if necessary |
| 01:37 |
Peacock |
entities dont havee 6d tho |
| 01:38 |
khonkhortisan |
don't they? |
| 01:38 |
khonkhortisan |
How many d do they have? |
| 01:38 |
Peacock |
though i did figure out to fake a node using entities you have to use scale 0.66 |
| 01:38 |
Peacock |
whats that about anyhow? |
| 01:39 |
khonkhortisan |
With the "new" 6d facedir, wallmounted is now evil |
| 01:40 |
Peacock |
i got mixed results using 6d flag on dir_to_facedir in item_place_node |
| 01:40 |
Peacock |
for slopes and stairs its fine, but slabs and quarter walls, not so fine |
| 01:40 |
khonkhortisan |
it's |
| 01:41 |
Peacock |
too lazy to find the apostrophe or the any key |
| 01:41 |
khonkhortisan |
than I shall correct those who put in an erroneous apostrophe |
| 01:41 |
khonkhortisan |
*then |
| 01:41 |
Peacock |
lol grammar knot-see pwned by self :P |
| 01:42 |
Peacock |
plus in Quebec, we got a weird french variant of qwerty |
| 01:42 |
Peacock |
(not azerty) |
| 01:43 |
Peacock |
,.: same button |
| 01:43 |
Peacock |
,.; i mean |
| 01:46 |
khonkhortisan |
whose idea was the purple minetest gravatar? |
| 01:46 |
VanessaE |
no one's, it's automatic |
| 01:46 |
Peacock |
gravatar? |
| 01:46 |
VanessaE |
no one set a gravatar, so the site made one up |
| 01:46 |
Peacock |
is that like, gravy + avatar or? |
| 01:46 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: gravatar.com |
| 01:47 |
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| 01:47 |
VanessaE |
it's what github (and others) uses for your avatar icon |
| 01:47 |
Peacock |
"Your Gravatar is an image that follows you from site to site" - no need, we have spy agencies for that |
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| 01:48 |
pgrytdal |
VannessaE I have no idea where I spawned... After runing /teleport 0,20,0 I was in a lake.. |
| 01:48 |
Peacock |
try 100,20,100 |
| 01:49 |
Peacock |
and beware of treesus |
| 01:52 |
VanessaE |
weird |
| 01:52 |
VanessaE |
well at least you got out :-) |
| 01:53 |
VanessaE |
they're still trying to find a graceful way of keeping that from happening :-) |
| 01:56 |
pgrytdal |
VanesaE Is there a un-graceful way? O.o |
| 01:56 |
VanessaE |
yeah, a brute-force search from wherever you spawned, upwards, until you find at least a 3x3x3 block of air |
| 01:57 |
VanessaE |
and then move the player to that spot |
| 01:58 |
khonkhortisan |
the pixellated shape is fitting, it would be more fitting if it was green with a black dot |
| 01:59 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
| 01:59 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 01:59 |
khonkhortisan |
the old player character |
| 02:00 |
VanessaE |
oh |
| 02:01 |
pgrytdal |
VanessaE Oh wow... haha |
| 02:02 |
khonkhortisan |
makes me want to create a water world with 3x3x3 air bubbles in it |
| 02:24 |
andersje |
is there any way to tint the light coming from a block? |
| 02:25 |
VanessaE |
nope. |
| 02:26 |
andersje |
bummer |
| 02:26 |
andersje |
because that would be an AWESOME upgrade to stained glass |
| 02:27 |
VanessaE |
Peacock was experimenting with this some time ago |
| 02:27 |
VanessaE |
a few people want it, but the devs generally say 'fuck no' |
| 02:27 |
Peacock |
fuck no to what? |
| 02:27 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: per-node light tinting. |
| 02:28 |
VanessaE |
red here, green over there, etc. |
| 02:28 |
Peacock |
oh that, yeah good luck getting it pulled :P |
| 02:28 |
VanessaE |
and there was a hack for 0.3.x that could do that, too |
| 02:28 |
VanessaE |
but that code was lost long ago |
| 02:28 |
Peacock |
though theyre willing to add heat/humidity, so go figure :p |
| 02:30 |
Peacock |
though sticking the rgb value in meta (like infotext) wouldn't require such a deep change |
| 02:30 |
VanessaE |
agreed |
| 02:30 |
VanessaE |
the problem is rendering it though |
| 02:30 |
andersje |
I'm guessing heat/humidity doesn't hammer fps rates like per-node lighting would |
| 02:30 |
Peacock |
not like adding a param |
| 02:30 |
VanessaE |
since I guess the client doesn't receive the metadata, does it? |
| 02:30 |
Peacock |
well i guess it depends how infotext works |
| 02:30 |
VanessaE |
hrm, good point |
| 02:30 |
VanessaE |
didn't think of that |
| 02:31 |
VanessaE |
so it's possible with the existing protocol |
| 02:31 |
VanessaE |
well, you've got your work cut out for you :P |
| 02:31 |
VanessaE |
andersje: I doubt colored lights would really hurt fps all that much, since torches et.al don't |
| 02:32 |
Peacock |
i wouldn't be the one to do it, thats one surefire way to make sure it never gets pulled :P |
| 02:32 |
Peacock |
i know rba's busy, what about proller? |
| 02:32 |
VanessaE |
he |
| 02:33 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 02:33 |
VanessaE |
he's got his own stuff |
| 02:33 |
VanessaE |
do it anyways if you can |
| 02:33 |
VanessaE |
maybe write it as a shader |
| 02:33 |
VanessaE |
(so regular low-end clients aren't affected) |
| 02:34 |
Peacock |
i know less about shaders than i knew my way around the light code :/ |
| 02:34 |
Peacock |
lighting code seems more obfuscated now than before too :/ |
| 02:36 |
andersje |
VanessaE: most likely |
| 02:36 |
Peacock |
wish i hadn't wiped my partition in the last install i'd know what i did last time around lol |
| 02:41 |
VanessaE |
and no backups either eh |
| 02:41 |
Peacock |
back up to what? lol im down to one driver per pc lol |
| 02:42 |
VanessaE |
hard drives are cheap, jeez |
| 02:42 |
Peacock |
do you remember which source file handles the lighting range/color? |
| 02:42 |
VanessaE |
not as much so as they used to be though |
| 02:42 |
VanessaE |
no, no clue at all |
| 02:43 |
Peacock |
i remember i had to adjust the range/intensity because the outer part was default white/yellowish |
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Peacock |
gedit is good for lua but it sucks for searching through as many sourcefiles as minetest's got |
| 02:43 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 02:44 |
VanessaE |
be sure you ask in -dev if there's any point to proceeding though |
| 02:44 |
VanessaE |
no sense banging out a hundred lines of useless code. |
| 02:44 |
Peacock |
there isn't really |
| 02:44 |
VanessaE |
try anyway :P |
| 02:45 |
Peacock |
thats why i recommend getting someone whos vetted to do it :P |
| 02:45 |
VanessaE |
everyone's too busy |
| 02:46 |
Peacock |
and jeija/rba are missing in action :/ |
| 02:46 |
VanessaE |
jeija's mostly way from MT. electronics-related hobby now. |
| 02:46 |
VanessaE |
FPGA and the like I guess |
| 02:48 |
khonkhortisan |
if my git bisect ends up with a commit reading something like "enable lua menu", I won't be happy |
| 02:52 |
Peacock |
i think the file for drawing light might be mesh.cpp |
| 02:53 |
Peacock |
parts of scene::IAnimatedMesh* extrudeARGB look familiar lol |
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aldobr |
hi all |
| 03:33 |
aldobr |
kaeza: the module works now, but has texture rotation problem |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 03:36 |
kaeza |
hey |
| 03:37 |
kaeza |
texture rotation? |
| 03:38 |
aldobr |
yeah |
| 03:38 |
aldobr |
i still trying to understand wich coordinate system sproxel uses |
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aldobr |
look |
| 03:43 |
aldobr |
this is on minetest http://tinypic.com/r/2irp7qv/5 |
| 03:43 |
aldobr |
this is on sproxel |
| 03:43 |
aldobr |
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2mn0u48&s=5 |
| 03:44 |
aldobr |
the textures are not aligned (and my head is almost exploding in headache) |
| 03:45 |
khonkhortisan |
How many squares wide is your texture? |
| 03:46 |
aldobr |
this sprite is 8x8x8 |
| 03:46 |
aldobr |
the problem is that they are being generated incorrectly |
| 03:47 |
aldobr |
thats a purely geometrical problem (but i cant stand anymore of python programming) |
| 03:47 |
khonkhortisan |
On sproxel, the texture on the left side of the visible cube has red on the top-left and blue on the top-right. The texture on the right side has blue on the top-left and red on the bottom-left. To have a checker tile over a cube, you either have to have all the corners of the texture be the same color (one square smaller than pictured), or you have to rotate the texture on some of the sides. |
| 03:48 |
khonkhortisan |
What made it black earlier? |
| 03:48 |
aldobr |
needs paramtypes |
| 03:48 |
khonkhortisan |
ah |
| 03:48 |
aldobr |
i added the paramtypes and it worked |
| 03:48 |
OldCoder |
Sokomine, my worlds are back |
| 03:48 |
OldCoder |
May need fixing up |
| 03:49 |
OldCoder |
thexyz, ^ |
| 03:49 |
khonkhortisan |
oh lol is that two objects next to each other in the minetest shot? |
| 03:49 |
aldobr |
khonkhortisan: yes |
| 03:50 |
khonkhortisan |
A 7x7 texture will have matching edges on the cube |
| 03:51 |
khonkhortisan |
Or rotate the ±X textures 90° |
| 03:52 |
khonkhortisan |
(if the checker is indeed on the +Z side of the cube) |
| 03:52 |
aldobr |
:% |
| 03:52 |
khonkhortisan |
it's something like "image.png^[TransformR90", |
| 03:52 |
aldobr |
dont know (cant think anymore) |
| 03:53 |
khonkhortisan |
When you place this node, is the solid part pointed toward you? |
| 03:53 |
aldobr |
nope |
| 03:53 |
aldobr |
its away |
| 03:54 |
aldobr |
http://pastebin.com/J15AdhfB <-- this is the source code, needs sproxel, place it on sproxel plugins directory |
| 03:54 |
khonkhortisan |
In sproxel, did you actually use blue and red cubes to make it, or is it a single mesh with textures? |
| 03:55 |
aldobr |
red and blue |
| 03:55 |
aldobr |
sproxel is "pixel" based (voxel) |
| 03:55 |
aldobr |
you draw things using single color cubes |
| 03:55 |
khonkhortisan |
Are the images it output only different in their rotation? |
| 03:55 |
aldobr |
this plugin allows you to export init.lua and textures right from sproxel |
| 03:56 |
aldobr |
khonkhortisan: they maybe wrong in other ways, dont know :/ |
| 03:56 |
khonkhortisan |
I'm thinking the whole cube may be rotated along the vertical axis |
| 03:56 |
aldobr |
yes |
| 03:56 |
aldobr |
that may be |
| 03:57 |
aldobr |
i used attrition based programming while trying to fix the axes :P |
| 03:57 |
aldobr |
attrition = change something randonly until it works |
| 03:57 |
khonkhortisan |
When you place a node with a normal facedir, the front is facing toward you |
| 03:57 |
VanessaE |
holy shit... I just realized, HDX is about to break the 1GB mark |
| 03:57 |
VanessaE |
(for the 512px "full" release) |
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aldobr |
khonkhortisan: when i place the node, its facing outside me |
| 03:58 |
aldobr |
not towards me |
| 03:58 |
khonkhortisan |
So in sproxel, which way is "front"? |
| 03:58 |
VanessaE |
khonkhortisan: s/front/nominal -Z side/ |
| 03:58 |
khonkhortisan |
-Z? I thought it was +Z |
| 03:58 |
VanessaE |
nope. +Z is the back side of the node. |
| 04:00 |
khonkhortisan |
So then the textures go top, bottom, right, left, back, front. |
| 04:00 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 04:00 |
aldobr |
i believe sproxel uses ----> X |
| 04:00 |
aldobr |
^ Y |
| 04:01 |
aldobr |
+ Z |
| 04:01 |
VanessaE |
^ Textures of node; +Y, -Y, +X, -X, +Z, -Z (old field name: tile_images) |
| 04:01 |
aldobr |
i mean, towards my right hand = X |
| 04:01 |
khonkhortisan |
But it doesn't tell you which one is front in the lua doc, does it? |
| 04:01 |
aldobr |
away from me = Z |
| 04:01 |
khonkhortisan |
left-handed/right-handed coordinate systems. Yuck |
| 04:01 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1966 |
| 04:01 |
khonkhortisan |
You'll have to convert that too |
| 04:01 |
VanessaE |
the nominal Z- side is the front. |
| 04:02 |
khonkhortisan |
but it doesn't say that ^ |
| 04:02 |
VanessaE |
but that's how it works, nonetheless. |
| 04:03 |
VanessaE |
of course it depends on which side you want to treat as "front" |
| 04:03 |
VanessaE |
but I think most of us go with how e.g. a chest or furnace is defined. |
| 04:03 |
khonkhortisan |
normally the facedir-placing side |
| 04:03 |
VanessaE |
which puts "front" on the -Z side. |
| 04:03 |
khonkhortisan |
aldobr your problems would be easier if you just shrink the texture to 7x7 and have red on every corner |
| 04:04 |
aldobr |
i cant |
| 04:04 |
aldobr |
the texture has the exactly same ammount of pixels as the sprite |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
better you should be using colored arrows - two colors per side |
| 04:04 |
khonkhortisan |
rba made a mod for that |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
(divide each arrow down its length) |
| 04:04 |
khonkhortisan |
it was used to correct 6dfacedir |
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VanessaE |
yeah, RBA needed a test object when he wrote 6d facedir, so that ^^^^ is what he did |
| 04:05 |
VanessaE |
evening j4i. |
| 04:05 |
khonkhortisan |
I have a paper one in front of me |
| 04:05 |
aldobr |
my head hurts |
| 04:05 |
khonkhortisan |
mine hurt last night |
| 04:05 |
jordan4ibanez |
Good, morning |
| 04:05 |
aldobr |
i will try the arrows tomorrow |
| 04:05 |
khonkhortisan |
morning j4i |
| 04:05 |
VanessaE |
or morning, rather. |
| 04:06 |
khonkhortisan |
https://github.com/RealBadAngel/facedirtools |
| 04:06 |
Miner_48er |
what's the exact world dimensions? |
| 04:07 |
jordan4ibanez |
Why is there no minetest.conf in latest github? |
| 04:07 |
VanessaE |
there never was |
| 04:07 |
VanessaE |
it's always had a .example and that's it |
| 04:07 |
khonkhortisan |
minetest.conf.example |
| 04:08 |
khonkhortisan |
minetest creates its own .conf anyway |
| 04:08 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example |
| 04:10 |
khonkhortisan |
out of a list of 29 worlds, only the 2nd one appears - still in bisect |
| 04:11 |
Miner_48er |
30192*30192*30192 ? |
| 04:11 |
khonkhortisan |
5 compiles left |
| 04:11 |
VanessaE |
Miner_48er: roughly that, yes |
| 04:11 |
VanessaE |
30912 I think |
| 04:11 |
khonkhortisan |
30912^3 |
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VanessaE |
jordan4ibanez_: cp minetest.conf.example minetest.conf; nano minetest.conf |
| 04:12 |
VanessaE |
or whatever the windows equivalent is |
| 04:12 |
khonkhortisan |
notepad++ |
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| 04:12 |
jimbob |
hello, is a new world required to use mods? |
| 04:13 |
khonkhortisan |
Don't use any text editor that adds a file extention to a file you've added a file extention to - test.exe.txt |
| 04:13 |
khonkhortisan |
jimbob, your question doesn't make sense. |
| 04:13 |
jimbob |
do i need to start a new map, for tree and animals mods to spawn |
| 04:13 |
VanessaE |
jimbob: some mods don't work as expected on existing worlds, but most will behave fine |
| 04:13 |
khonkhortisan |
You can use mods on other people's servers, or you can use them on your own server. You can enable/disable mods per-world. |
| 04:14 |
khonkhortisan |
VE's moretrees only works when generating new map chunks. |
| 04:14 |
VanessaE |
jimbob: anything that hooks into the map generator (more trees, more ores, similar stuff) won't show new stuff until you explore more of your map |
| 04:14 |
jordan4ibanez_ |
Now the mods won't show up in the mods list |
| 04:14 |
jimbob |
what about npc mods like the mobs mod |
| 04:14 |
khonkhortisan |
No, my problem is the worlds list :) |
| 04:14 |
VanessaE |
jordan4ibanez_: they've been moved. ~/.minetest/mods |
| 04:14 |
VanessaE |
(not minetest/mods/minetest) |
| 04:14 |
khonkhortisan |
I had that problem |
| 04:15 |
jordan4ibanez_ |
Shouldn't there be a folder for it then? Lol |
| 04:15 |
khonkhortisan |
Did you have no mods? |
| 04:15 |
VanessaE |
there is - <minetestfolder>/mods |
| 04:16 |
jordan4ibanez_ |
No, I understand that, the mod I have in there won't show up |
| 04:16 |
khonkhortisan |
mv ~/.minetest/mods/minetest/* ~/.minetest/mods/; rmdir ~/.minetest/mods/minetest |
| 04:16 |
khonkhortisan |
When you press the configure button? |
| 04:17 |
jordan4ibanez_ |
Yep, I am using the default file directory, /Minetestfolder/mods/ |
| 04:18 |
VanessaE |
using latest git? |
| 04:18 |
jordan4ibanez_ |
Apparently I have to install them |
| 04:18 |
VanessaE |
you only need to select a world and hit "configure". that's how it "installs" them. |
| 04:18 |
VanessaE |
(it just adds the names to a text file or something) |
| 04:19 |
khonkhortisan |
If you run minetest from source, the mods can be in source. If you install minetest from source, the mods can be one directory down from your minetest.conf |
| 04:20 |
aldobr |
khonkhortisan: i've done a dice with numbers, let me see if this will help |
| 04:21 |
aldobr |
yes, right from looking the generated textures : the world is rotated 90 degress to the side |
| 04:21 |
aldobr |
:% |
| 04:21 |
jordan4ibanez_ |
A mod download center, nice |
| 04:22 |
jordan4ibanez_ |
A bit sluggish though |
| 04:22 |
VanessaE |
a lot sluggish, unfortunately, and not particularly functional yet |
| 04:25 |
jordan4ibanez_ |
Is the entity copy issue fixed? |
| 04:25 |
VanessaE |
nope. |
| 04:25 |
jordan4ibanez_ |
Do they all still use the same light value? |
| 04:25 |
VanessaE |
yep |
| 04:25 |
VanessaE |
toa degree |
| 04:26 |
VanessaE |
(I haven't noticed that dropped items share the light value with things like mobs/players, otherwise yes) |
| 04:28 |
khonkhortisan |
When I click on build, minimal, or survival, I get black on the back of the world list. When I click on minetest, the world list is as transparent as the menu. Is this intended behavior? |
| 04:28 |
VanessaE |
I don't think so |
| 04:28 |
khonkhortisan |
Well it's back at 9dcd21911a438fbec5b5aa8cc1f5bb1975a1b98f anyway, so it might already be fixed :) |
| 04:30 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 04:33 |
jimbob |
copper is already in the game by default so why is it in the more ores pack |
| 04:33 |
VanessaE |
it isn't - your copy of moreores is old |
| 04:33 |
jimbob |
i dont have moreores |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
oh. |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
well anyway, it isn't anymore :) |
| 04:34 |
jimbob |
ok then |
| 04:36 |
VanessaE |
hey, looks who's back: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107981#p107981 |
| 04:39 |
kaeza |
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7765611776/h6976F240/ |
| 04:39 |
VanessaE |
haha |
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khonkhortisan |
khon greets khor |
| 04:46 |
khonkhortisan |
[52beafff5310ae9fd0078af38ac2bb9142ac2cfb] Worldlist fixes Add alphabeticaly sorted worldlists Select world after creation Move worldlist handling to separate file Merge world selection of singleplayer/server tab Remove some useless code |
| 04:47 |
khonkhortisan |
Found it! |
| 04:49 |
khonkhortisan |
7 weeks ago |
| 04:50 |
VanessaE |
now the fun part - figure out which change in that set is responsible :) |
| 04:50 |
khonkhortisan |
which is why we should keep our changes in separate commits |
| 04:54 |
khonkhortisan |
builtin/mainmenu_worldlist.lua worldlist.get_list() returns worldlist.m_processed_worldlist. If I make it return worldlist.m_raw_worldlist, it fixes it. So the processing is bad. |
| 04:59 |
jimbob |
i like this game i wish i knew how to mod |
| 05:00 |
VanessaE |
it's easy |
| 05:00 |
khonkhortisan |
if you learn how to mod, you'll wish it wasn't in lua |
| 05:00 |
VanessaE |
Lua is a pretty simple language |
| 05:00 |
khonkhortisan |
I stress the word simple |
| 05:00 |
jimbob |
i only know basica java |
| 05:00 |
VanessaE |
if you can program in Java, you can learn Lua :) |
| 05:00 |
jimbob |
basic* |
| 05:00 |
khonkhortisan |
basica java mathematica |
| 05:00 |
jimbob |
lol |
| 05:03 |
kaeza |
BASIC* |
| 05:03 |
khonkhortisan |
doc/lua_api.txt and other mods are really all you need |
| 05:03 |
khonkhortisan |
TI-BASIC* |
| 05:03 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 05:03 |
khonkhortisan |
that's interpreted, and slow |
| 05:03 |
kaeza |
not anymore :) |
| 05:03 |
kaeza |
(see FreeBasic) |
| 05:03 |
khonkhortisan |
I should try again to code assembly on my calculator |
| 05:04 |
VanessaE |
no way -- blassic, ftw! :) |
| 05:04 |
VanessaE |
( http://blassic.net/ ) |
| 05:04 |
kaeza |
"The line numbers are mandatory" :D |
| 05:04 |
jimbob |
whats the easiest type of mod to make, to try first? a block im guessing |
| 05:05 |
kaeza |
jimbob, yup |
| 05:05 |
VanessaE |
jimbob: anything that just adds a simple one-texture node |
| 05:05 |
jimbob |
ok cool |
| 05:05 |
khonkhortisan |
Without line numbers, you would have no goto |
| 05:05 |
VanessaE |
then you learn to use multiple textures, compositing, etc. Then learn nodebox modeling. Then you learn to make your nodes DO something useful e.g. change colors when you punch. |
| 05:05 |
khonkhortisan |
in minetest, we call them nodes |
| 05:05 |
khonkhortisan |
minecraft calls them blocks |
| 05:06 |
khonkhortisan |
changing colors is just swapping nodes |
| 05:06 |
kaeza |
khonkhortisan, GWBASIC (and later BASICA/QB/QBX) accepted both (optional) line numbers and named labels |
| 05:07 |
khonkhortisan |
I only had a label variant (screen was too small for numbers) |
| 05:07 |
* kaeza |
still prefers Sinclair BASIC :> |
| 05:08 |
khonkhortisan |
VE, it still does the black world list on non-minetest games in current |
| 05:09 |
VanessaE |
for me, all three games have black lists. |
| 05:09 |
VanessaE |
(minimal, minetest_game, and mine) |
| 05:09 |
khonkhortisan |
three? |
| 05:09 |
VanessaE |
on all tabs with a list box, those are black background also |
| 05:09 |
khonkhortisan |
I have build/minetest/minimal/survival |
| 05:10 |
VanessaE |
build and survival are long dead |
| 05:10 |
VanessaE |
delete 'em and replace with minetest_game |
| 05:10 |
khonkhortisan |
ok I'll delete them then |
| 05:10 |
khonkhortisan |
they went the way of common? |
| 05:11 |
* khonkhortisan |
takes back his last question in an air of confusion |
| 05:12 |
khonkhortisan |
the worldlist file moved while it was broken |
| 05:20 |
jimbob |
is 16x16 or 32x32 the texture size for nodes |
| 05:20 |
VanessaE |
any size you want |
| 05:21 |
VanessaE |
16px is preferred |
| 05:21 |
VanessaE |
but it depends on the needs of your node |
| 05:21 |
jimbob |
ok then |
| 05:21 |
VanessaE |
in the mesecons mod, for example, most of the textures are 16px, but a few are 32px because they don't look right otherwise |
| 05:22 |
jimbob |
that makes sense |
| 05:22 |
VanessaE |
meanwhile, some textures in pipeworks are 64px |
| 05:22 |
VanessaE |
(most actually) |
| 05:44 |
khonkhortisan |
pipeworks need the higher pixel-to-world unit detail because of their smaller size |
| 05:45 |
VanessaE |
that's part of it |
| 05:45 |
VanessaE |
mostly it's because I did everything in measures of 1/64 |
| 05:45 |
VanessaE |
so 64px textures fit exactly to the edges |
| 05:45 |
jimbob |
http://i.imgur.com/644M7lC.png |
| 05:45 |
jimbob |
my first mod |
| 05:45 |
VanessaE |
perfect! |
| 05:46 |
jimbob |
it looks pretty rubbish but funny anyway |
| 05:46 |
VanessaE |
I guess that image is GPL then ;) |
| 05:46 |
jimbob |
haha yeah must be |
| 05:46 |
jimbob |
i dunno is the gnu logo under gpl or creative commons |
| 05:46 |
VanessaE |
probably GPL |
| 05:46 |
khonkhortisan |
Are they diggable? |
| 05:46 |
jimbob |
they are breakable |
| 05:46 |
jimbob |
so yeah diggable i guess |
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jimbob |
are these all the groups there are snappy,choppy,oddly_breakable_by_hand,flammable ? |
| 05:51 |
VanessaE |
those are the main ones |
| 05:51 |
VanessaE |
but you can make new groups too, by simply putting them |
| 05:52 |
VanessaE |
groups = {snappy=2, choppy=1, mygnu=5} |
| 05:52 |
VanessaE |
etc |
| 05:52 |
VanessaE |
then any time you need to refer to your new group, for example in a recipe, you just do so, e.g. recipe = {{"group:mygnu", "stone", "wood"}, ..., ...} |
| 05:53 |
jimbob |
ok thats cool |
| 05:53 |
VanessaE |
minetest game uses those you listed for managing tool lifespan and digging time |
| 05:53 |
VanessaE |
an important one is "not_in_creative_inventory = 1", which keeps your node from appearing in the inventory list at the left (in creative mode). |
| 05:54 |
VanessaE |
this is useful if you want to make say two nodes, but one of them should never be obtainable without placing and doing something to the other node (e.g. punching it) |
| 05:55 |
VanessaE |
you'll find that there are lots of other groups defined, for example "group:wood" includes everything in the game (and some mods) that consists of a block of wooden planks |
| 05:55 |
jimbob |
sounds like there's a lot to experiment with then i'll have to try some of these |
| 05:55 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 05:56 |
jimbob |
thanks for the help |
| 05:56 |
VanessaE |
any time |
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* VanessaE |
pokes nore with an interact privilege :) |
| 05:57 |
nore |
hi |
| 05:57 |
VanessaE |
good morning |
| 05:57 |
nore |
I've got a modding question: what does minetest.get_meta return if the area is not loaded? |
| 05:58 |
VanessaE |
no clue (never tried). probably nil? |
| 05:58 |
khonkhortisan |
I'd guess nil |
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VanessaE |
good morning, TLP. |
| 05:59 |
nore |
and I have 2 suggestions: minetest.swap_node(pos, newname) -> do that instead of hacky_swap_node, better for player formspecs |
| 06:00 |
nore |
2. : minetest.register_on_load(minp, maxp) -> called when a block in loaded |
| 06:00 |
nore |
or even better: minetest.get_loaded_blocks |
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khonkhortisan |
If commenting a piece of code fixes a problem, am I guaranteed that that code is the whole problem? |
| 06:25 |
VanessaE |
not really, no |
| 06:26 |
VanessaE |
it's equally possible that the piece of code that received the commented code's output is itself the defective part. |
| 06:26 |
nore |
khonkhortisan, what is the problem? |
| 06:26 |
khonkhortisan |
it's a table.sort |
| 06:26 |
khonkhortisan |
Only one of my many worlds shows up in the list |
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nore |
are you sure the correct game is selected? |
| 06:27 |
khonkhortisan |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/896 |
| 06:27 |
khonkhortisan |
I'm completely sure |
| 06:27 |
khonkhortisan |
it's bisected, and workarounded in three ways |
| 06:29 |
khonkhortisan |
huh. There's at least one world in there with no text that I can click to join |
| 06:38 |
khonkhortisan |
I have 5 ways to get it to show my worlds, none of which is the correct way yet. |
| 06:42 |
khonkhortisan |
Would any of these characters - <>_';,. break :lower()? |
| 06:46 |
nore |
> s="- <>_';,." |
| 06:46 |
nore |
> print(s:lower()) |
| 06:46 |
nore |
- <>_';,. |
| 06:47 |
nore |
Nope |
| 06:47 |
khonkhortisan |
it's so obvious to run lua from the command line I didn't think of it |
| 06:53 |
nore |
khonkhortisan, I have a question: can one have an on_destruct that is executed globally (i.e., not on_dignode which is only for players) |
| 06:57 |
khonkhortisan |
not that I know of |
| 06:58 |
khonkhortisan |
After the table sort, my ;',.p world is the second one. I think it's that one breaking everything... AND IT IS! |
| 07:03 |
sfan5 |
hello everyone |
| 07:04 |
khonkhortisan |
hi |
| 07:05 |
nore |
hi |
| 07:05 |
nore |
a Lua question: what happens if you apply arguments to function that has none? |
| 07:06 |
khonkhortisan |
either an error, or nothing |
| 07:06 |
khonkhortisan |
It won't affect the function |
| 07:06 |
khonkhortisan |
But this is a guess |
| 07:06 |
nore |
no error, so good ;) |
| 07:08 |
khonkhortisan |
lol creating a world ;,.p now clears every world that doesn't start with a number |
| 07:09 |
thexyz |
enjoy formspecs |
| 07:12 |
sfan5 |
khonkhortisan: learn to escape your markdown |
| 07:12 |
sfan5 |
<hello>< renders as < if not escaped |
| 07:12 |
khonkhortisan |
I escaped it in one place |
| 07:13 |
thexyz |
how picky |
| 07:13 |
thexyz |
khonkhortisan: https://gist.github.com/xyzz/2bf7e9144b2f76599996 |
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Mossmanikin |
hi folks |
| 07:15 |
sfan5 |
khonkhortisan: `<hello><` is not escaping \<hello\>\< is |
| 07:16 |
Mossmanikin |
Is there a way to enable flying (by default) in minetest.conf? |
| 07:19 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 07:20 |
Mossmanikin |
sfan5: ok, thanks :) |
| 07:21 |
Mossmanikin |
Was wondering, 'cause it would be handy for cretive mode and testing of mods |
| 07:22 |
Mossmanikin |
*creative |
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kaeza |
nore, http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.5.9 |
| 07:32 |
nore |
thanks |
| 07:33 |
kaeza |
basically, you don't have any limits on number of arguments you can pass to functions |
| 07:33 |
kaeza |
all exceeding ones are ignored, and the unspecified ones are passed as `nil' |
| 07:35 |
nore |
ok, thanks |
| 07:38 |
pgrytdal |
Hello, again! |
| 07:38 |
nore |
VanessaE, did you have any problem on your server with technic? |
| 07:39 |
VanessaE |
nothing that ShadowNinja hasn't already worked out as we were testing stuff |
| 07:39 |
nore |
https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/commit/549ffa049e8a39dc68d506f6f4fd80b2f42c8c1d |
| 07:39 |
nore |
^ that fixed a bug that stopped technic from loading |
| 07:39 |
VanessaE |
oh that doesn't happen for me |
| 07:40 |
nore |
strange... is it because stairplus has been changed? |
| 07:40 |
nore |
I reckon I have an old version |
| 07:40 |
VanessaE |
of course, I'm on ShadowNinja's rewrite branch now, so whatever might be on RBA's master branch is different by now :-) |
| 07:40 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 07:40 |
VanessaE |
that was fixed ages ago |
| 07:40 |
nore |
no, that commit was on rewrite |
| 07:40 |
nore |
I guess I will remove it then |
| 07:40 |
VanessaE |
huh. |
| 07:40 |
VanessaE |
well it never gave any problems recent.y |
| 07:40 |
VanessaE |
recently* |
| 07:41 |
nore |
ok, I removed the commit... |
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nore |
I have a license question: can CC-BY work be relicensed under the GPL? |
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VanessaE |
you can dual-license such things, yes, but I expect you'll need the original authors' permission |
| 08:39 |
nore |
well, the question was if there was an attribution condition in GLP |
| 08:39 |
pgrytdal |
If I quit the game, is there a way I can respawn where I left off? |
| 08:40 |
VanessaE |
pgrytdal: it's automatic |
| 08:40 |
pgrytdal |
VanessaE For some reason, it's not working for me >.> |
| 08:40 |
VanessaE |
you always respawn where you were at sign-off |
| 08:40 |
VanessaE |
unless you're running from within the zip file, in which case nothing is being saved. |
| 08:41 |
pgrytdal |
Nope... I installed from PPA |
| 08:41 |
VanessaE |
check the permissions on your ~/.minetest directory |
| 08:42 |
Ariche2 |
In the bug FAQ (https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3829) it gives a link to OpenAL as a fix for sound issues, but the link doesn't work. Has anyone got a working link for OpenAL? |
| 08:44 |
pgrytdal |
Oh... I keep getting this error... or sound issues, |
| 08:44 |
pgrytdal |
Whoops... One second >.> |
| 08:44 |
pgrytdal |
http://imgur.com/4YceSuh |
| 08:44 |
pgrytdal |
There |
| 08:44 |
VanessaE |
that's an odd one |
| 08:44 |
VanessaE |
never had that happen before |
| 08:45 |
pgrytdal |
Crap. |
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pgrytdal |
Can I somehow sync my crafts between computers? |
| 08:52 |
VanessaE |
how do you mean, sync them? |
| 09:01 |
pgrytdal |
Like Minecraft does... you can get your world on any computer |
| 09:01 |
VanessaE |
you could copy your world files |
| 09:02 |
VanessaE |
or you could use an NFS or Samba share, but there's nothing built-into MT that's intended for that |
| 09:02 |
pgrytdal |
Okay... Do you think Bittorrent Sync would work? |
| 09:02 |
VanessaE |
dunno |
| 09:02 |
pgrytdal |
Okay xP Well, I got to go... =/ |
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VanessaE |
RBA! |
| 09:09 |
VanessaE |
*pounce* |
| 09:09 |
VanessaE |
Where the fuck have you been!? |
| 09:10 |
RealBadAngel |
hi all |
| 09:10 |
RealBadAngel |
in the middle of nowhere fucked up by ISP |
| 09:10 |
VanessaE |
Ah, that's what I figured. |
| 09:10 |
VanessaE |
you get it sorted out?\ |
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Smelly |
Quick Question, what is a Junk Pipe? |
| 09:10 |
VanessaE |
or still using the cell? |
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RealBadAngel |
yup, i got cable yesterday |
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VanessaE |
a junk pipe? never heard of it |
| 09:11 |
Smelly |
sIts in the techie mod |
| 09:11 |
Smelly |
its* |
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Smelly |
it runs on a channel |
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Smelly |
cant figure out what it does |
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RealBadAngel |
my cell connection was shut down a few weeks ago on my request |
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VanessaE |
sounds like a teleporter tune |
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VanessaE |
tube* |
| 09:11 |
RealBadAngel |
then i was supposed to get cable at the same time |
| 09:11 |
Smelly |
maybe |
| 09:12 |
RealBadAngel |
from another provider |
| 09:12 |
Smelly |
Angel |
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VanessaE |
Smelly: well tell us the real name of the thing and we can tell you what it does. |
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Smelly |
Junk Pipe |
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RealBadAngel |
Smelly, ask Novatux/Nore about pipes |
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Smelly |
Thats really what its called |
| 09:12 |
VanessaE |
RealBadAngel: I had a feeling you were cut-off from your cell also, to some degree. I assumed it was a bandwidth issue though. |
| 09:12 |
VanessaE |
Smelly: there is no pipe called a "junk" pipe in technic or in pipeworks. |
| 09:13 |
Smelly |
This one is lol I know I never saw it until today |
| 09:13 |
Smelly |
hang on brb |
| 09:13 |
RealBadAngel |
i cancelled the connection in hope of getting cable as promised |
| 09:13 |
nore |
what's about tubes? |
| 09:13 |
RealBadAngel |
hi nore |
| 09:13 |
nore |
hi |
| 09:13 |
VanessaE |
RealBadAngel: glad to see you're doing okay. Some of us were beginning to worry. |
| 09:13 |
Smelly |
tube segement |
| 09:13 |
Smelly |
sand |
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Smelly |
the channel is under junk pipe lol |
| 09:14 |
RealBadAngel |
i was and still am pissed off |
| 09:14 |
VanessaE |
I'll bet |
| 09:14 |
nore |
about the wiki, I can help to write it |
| 09:14 |
RealBadAngel |
i lost 3 weeks, fucked up review |
| 09:14 |
VanessaE |
Smelly: screenshot please. "sand" tubes are vacuum devices. |
| 09:14 |
Smelly |
How do I upload screenshot and how do I use vacuum device |
| 09:15 |
RealBadAngel |
imageshack.us for example |
| 09:15 |
Smelly |
I wish Miner was on he made it lol |
| 09:15 |
nore |
I am good at english compared to french people... |
| 09:16 |
Smelly |
Angel? |
| 09:16 |
RealBadAngel |
nore, so go on, i will give you access to server |
| 09:16 |
nore |
RealBadAngel, could you tell me what you think about the energy branch of technic? |
| 09:16 |
RealBadAngel |
uh, whats that?? |
| 09:16 |
Smelly |
brb |
| 09:17 |
nore |
it is based on rewrite, with a few modification that should hopefully make energy distribution faster |
| 09:17 |
nore |
pushed a few hours ago |
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RealBadAngel |
ah, i will read it then |
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sfan5 |
whew.. formspecs are confisung |
| 09:17 |
sfan5 |
*confusing |
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RealBadAngel |
hi sfan5 |
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nore |
sfan5, why? |
| 09:17 |
RealBadAngel |
damn, i really missed you folks last weeks :) |
| 09:18 |
VanessaE |
we missed you also |
| 09:18 |
sfan5 |
^ |
| 09:18 |
VanessaE |
you disappeared and the whole place went to hell :) |
| 09:18 |
nore |
some thought you were on vacation (see the forum) |
| 09:19 |
sfan5 |
nore: there is image_button[{...};<noclip>;<drawborder>] and image_button[{...};<noclip>;<drawborder>;<pressed>] but not image_button[{...};<noclip>] |
| 09:19 |
VanessaE |
he was, for a while. |
| 09:19 |
VanessaE |
but that vacation ended weeks ago |
| 09:19 |
nore |
sfan5, that means drawborder in a compulsory argument |
| 09:20 |
sfan5 |
yeah |
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RealBadAngel |
nore, ISP forced me to do so |
| 09:20 |
sfan5 |
but that results in the image_button template to be like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6039676/ |
| 09:20 |
RealBadAngel |
i was literally cut off |
| 09:20 |
nore |
it would be strange if you could have neither or both, bu not only one |
| 09:21 |
RealBadAngel |
i should be wiser to cancel old connection when i already have new one |
| 09:21 |
nore |
sfan5, couldn't you just add a default value? |
| 09:21 |
sfan5 |
RealBadAngel: did you have a mobile phone with internet? |
| 09:21 |
sfan5 |
nore: yes, but what is the default for drawborder? |
| 09:21 |
RealBadAngel |
yup, but it was costly, so i switched to cable |
| 09:22 |
nore |
dunno, look at the code ;) |
| 09:22 |
RealBadAngel |
but guys from cable had a terrible delay |
| 09:22 |
sfan5 |
RealBadAngel: I mean at the time you didn't have cable yet |
| 09:22 |
RealBadAngel |
yes, but i moved to a new flat on 1st this month |
| 09:23 |
RealBadAngel |
and went to another provider and they promised me to connect me within few days |
| 09:23 |
RealBadAngel |
so i cancelled cell phone |
| 09:24 |
RealBadAngel |
cancelling was very quick, next day i had no connection |
| 09:24 |
RealBadAngel |
with new one it was much worse |
| 09:24 |
RealBadAngel |
i got it yesterday |
| 09:25 |
pitriss |
RealBadAngel: In czech it is the same.. |
| 09:25 |
RealBadAngel |
but its a good connection, 16mbps down, 2,6mbps up for circa 15 bucks per month |
| 09:25 |
VanessaE |
you'd think they'd want you to hang around for as long as possible, paying them. heh |
| 09:25 |
VanessaE |
good price. |
| 09:26 |
RealBadAngel |
what pissed me most is the review |
| 09:26 |
VanessaE |
you mean the magazine thing? |
| 09:26 |
RealBadAngel |
yeah |
| 09:26 |
VanessaE |
yeah, that was a clusterfuck wasn't it. |
| 09:27 |
RealBadAngel |
but from what i can see it turned out good rather |
| 09:27 |
RealBadAngel |
i noticed massive speed up |
| 09:27 |
RealBadAngel |
and even c55 activity |
| 09:27 |
nore |
what happened? |
| 09:27 |
RealBadAngel |
we are delayed with it |
| 09:28 |
nore |
so, next month? |
| 09:28 |
RealBadAngel |
propably, i couldnt say or promise my friend anything when i was cut off |
| 09:29 |
VanessaE |
what are you doing for telephone service now? |
| 09:29 |
VanessaE |
VoIP? |
| 09:30 |
RealBadAngel |
cell, i have company one |
| 09:30 |
VanessaE |
ah, ok |
| 09:30 |
VanessaE |
so long as you've got communication if you need to call for an emergency or something |
| 09:30 |
VanessaE |
(9-1-1, 9-9-9, 2-1-1, whatever) |
| 09:30 |
RealBadAngel |
but on this i cannot make such gimmicks like chattin on irc ;) |
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RealBadAngel |
0-800-INEEDNET ;) |
| 09:31 |
VanessaE |
well now you're back so now you have no excuses ;) |
| 09:32 |
nore |
RBA, what about that? https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/issues/85 |
| 09:32 |
* sfan5 |
needs opinions on this http://sfan5.duckdns.org/minetest-formspec-luatable.txt |
| 09:33 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: +1 |
| 09:33 |
RealBadAngel |
nore, just read it a few minutes ago, for me wtfpl is ok, if anything else is needed just do it |
| 09:33 |
VanessaE |
beats cramming everything into a semi-delim string |
| 09:33 |
nore |
I suggest LGPL, is it ok for you? |
| 09:34 |
nore |
WTFPL is ok too, but since technic is quite big, I reckon we need another license |
| 09:34 |
nore |
sfan5: hasn't thexyz something about that? |
| 09:34 |
nore |
https://github.com/xyzz/minetest-stress/blob/master/extra/formspice.lua |
| 09:34 |
sfan5 |
VanessaE: here are the changes http://sfan5.duckdns.org/diff.html |
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VanessaE |
sfan5: yeah, that's 100x easier to read than the existing format. |
| 09:36 |
sfan5 |
nore: It was my idea initally, but thexyz gave me some ideas |
| 09:38 |
nore |
but it could be good if it was default |
| 09:38 |
sfan5 |
here is the function that converts it: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/minetest-formspec-luatable.lua |
| 09:38 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: I suggest keeping the old format documented too though, listed as "deprecated" of course. |
| 09:38 |
nore |
use minetest.formspec_escape instead of defining you own function... |
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sfan5 |
nore: that is supposed to be standalone code |
| 09:40 |
nore |
when you mean standalone, is it to be run not in minetest? |
| 09:40 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 09:40 |
sfan5 |
but that script is just for testing |
| 09:40 |
sfan5 |
s/script/code/ |
| 09:41 |
nore |
and will you push this upstream? |
| 09:41 |
sfan5 |
we'll see |
| 09:43 |
nore |
I just had a modding suggestion: |
| 09:43 |
nore |
a tool for server owners that would allow to change metadata in a node |
| 09:43 |
RealBadAngel |
sfan5, that looks good |
| 09:43 |
nore |
useful for changing owners, and for debugging too |
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DanDuncombe |
VanessaE, can you please add this mod to your server, and delete the tbm mod from the camo_modpack? Thanks. https://www.dropbox.com/s/l2cokj3rju9ugzc/tbm.zip |
| 09:45 |
VanessaE |
DanDuncombe: what changes? |
| 09:46 |
DanDuncombe |
It has more realistic crafting, and is a seperate mod. |
| 09:46 |
DanDuncombe |
So that you don't need camo_modpack to have it |
| 09:46 |
VanessaE |
right |
| 09:47 |
DanDuncombe |
On another note, have you disabled item dropping yet,or not? |
| 09:47 |
VanessaE |
I have. |
| 09:47 |
DanDuncombe |
Yay |
| 09:47 |
DanDuncombe |
Thanks :) |
| 09:47 |
DanDuncombe |
When can the new tbm be added to the server? |
| 09:48 |
DanDuncombe |
I mean, is anyone on it now? |
| 09:48 |
VanessaE |
as soon as I restart it. |
| 09:48 |
DanDuncombe |
When will you restart it?? |
| 09:48 |
VanessaE |
as soon as I sign in :P |
| 09:49 |
VanessaE |
done. |
| 09:49 |
DanDuncombe |
Also, if I haven't missed anything, can a moderator please move this to mod releases? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7065 |
| 09:49 |
DanDuncombe |
Thanks VanessaE by the way |
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jin_xi |
RealBadAngel: hey, nice to see you! |
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sfan5 |
RealBadAngel: in case you missed it http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2013/08/2ds.jpg |
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sfan5 |
:P |
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Yepoleb |
I get 30 fps in minetest and 300 in minecraft. Seems strange to me. |
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VanessaE |
saw mention of that on slashdot an hour ago :) |
| 10:14 |
Calinou |
Yepoleb: do you have compositing/desktop effects on? what's your graphics card? |
| 10:15 |
Yepoleb |
I use compton glx with nvidia graphics |
| 10:15 |
Calinou |
which card exactly? |
| 10:15 |
Calinou |
old cards suck at shaders, you should disable them |
| 10:15 |
Yepoleb |
560 ti |
| 10:16 |
Calinou |
compositing is bad for gaming, you should disable it :/ |
| 10:16 |
Calinou |
also make sure you don't have full range enabled |
| 10:16 |
Calinou |
(default toggle key is R) |
| 10:17 |
Yepoleb |
wow, after disabling composite i get constant 60 fps |
| 10:17 |
Calinou |
do you force v-sync? |
| 10:17 |
Calinou |
if you do, you can't get more FPS than your screen's refresh rate |
| 10:17 |
Calinou |
the game feels smoother, at the cost of input la |
| 10:17 |
Calinou |
+g |
| 10:18 |
Calinou |
Yepoleb: i don't use compositing and don't have any tearing |
| 10:18 |
Calinou |
tearing when moving windows is unnoticeable, and i don't care anyway |
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Yepoleb |
I get a lot of tearing |
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Calinou |
Yepoleb: you shouldn't |
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Calinou |
if you have vsync enabled |
| 10:24 |
Yepoleb |
not in minetest, but everywhere else |
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Mati^1 |
hi |
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Calinou |
try enabling "sync to vblank" in the nvidia control panel, then rebooting |
| 10:25 |
PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
| 10:26 |
Yepoleb |
it is enabled |
| 10:26 |
PilzAdam |
Calinou, can you move this to "unofficial engine dev"? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7033 |
| 10:26 |
Calinou |
done |
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Calinou |
that was quick :p |
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VanessaE |
guess RealBadAngel went AFK.. |
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VanessaE |
good morning, PilzAdam |
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RealBadAngel |
not really afk, talkin with a few folks |
| 10:33 |
VanessaE |
oh ok |
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VanessaE |
bbl, off to bed |
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jin_xi |
ugh. trying to test something, fight with something else |
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jin_xi |
srsly mgv7 biomes are pissing me off |
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sfan5 |
lua table formspec proposal nicely formatted: http://dev.minetest.net/Lua_Table_Formspec |
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DanDuncombe |
Can someone move my tbm reloaded mod to mod releases please? Thanks |
| 11:33 |
DanDuncombe |
Also,is VanessaE awake and there? |
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jin_xi |
sfan5: nice |
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sfan5 |
DanDuncombe: <VanessaE> bbl, off to bed |
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DanDuncombe |
I wasn't here then |
| 11:35 |
DanDuncombe |
Anyway, you can probably guess what I was going to say. |
| 11:35 |
DanDuncombe |
'VanessaE, can you please update camo modpack and tbm mod on your server? Thanks!' |
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thexyz |
sfan5: I dislike it because it is just formspecs written another way |
| 11:52 |
thexyz |
though it's still good because you cannot forget about escaping |
| 11:52 |
sfan5 |
but they are more readable |
| 11:53 |
thexyz |
s/cannot/can/ |
| 11:53 |
thexyz |
maybe |
| 11:54 |
thexyz |
example: why make pwdfield/textarea/field when you can make type "input" and have options like {"field", password=true} {"field", textarea=true} |
| 11:54 |
thexyz |
same for label, vertlabel; and more |
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sfan5 |
hm |
| 11:55 |
thexyz |
that's what stress does |
| 11:55 |
sfan5 |
I know |
| 11:55 |
thexyz |
and what I plan to do |
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sfan5 |
.. |
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sfan5 |
thats just a matter of changing some things in the templates |
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thexyz |
maybe, but why didn't you think about it? |
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sfan5 |
dunno |
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sfan5 |
let me just change {type="foo" to {"foo" |
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thexyz |
that was not the point |
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sfan5 |
I know |
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Mossmanikin |
PilzAdam: can you give me a link or hint where the code of the thermometer is? I can't find it... |
| 12:08 |
PilzAdam |
Mossmanikin, its in the F5 debug info |
| 12:08 |
Mossmanikin |
PilzAdam: thank you :) |
| 12:10 |
kaeza |
Mossmanikin, (unrelated) not sure, but this may help you: http://pastebin.com/Cd8a5tVG |
| 12:11 |
kaeza |
(or just be handy to have around when testing stuff) |
| 12:12 |
Mossmanikin |
kaeza: thanks, surely handy :) |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: xyzz commited to minetest/minetest: Add escaping to world list in main menu (fixes #896). 82e1ab7b2b 2013-08-29T05:12:16-07:00 http://git.io/iX28rw |
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PilzAdam |
bbl |
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cup`of`tea |
Calinou: don't mock BSD. |
| 12:37 |
cup`of`tea |
mocking BSD is a baby's job |
| 12:37 |
cup`of`tea |
you should get out more instead of being so silly |
| 12:38 |
cup`of`tea |
actually Calinou, are you the really obsessed one who constantly posts on phoronix forums about how you hate BSD and operates a blog about it? |
| 12:39 |
cup`of`tea |
because if so, wow |
| 12:39 |
sfan5 |
Calinou operates a blog? |
| 12:39 |
kaeza |
huh |
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kaeza |
how is this related to minetest? |
| 12:40 |
sfan5 |
it is related because Minetest also runs on BSD |
| 12:40 |
cup`of`tea |
kaeza: he's damaging the reputation of the community and alienating BSD users who want to play minetest ;/ |
| 12:41 |
kaeza |
ah well, just checking :P |
| 12:41 |
cup`of`tea |
sfan5: i'm not sure, he was ranting about "BSD is Bullshit Distro" a few days ago and that is the same as someone with a good few sockpuppets does at phoronix and on a blog called "About the BSDs" |
| 12:41 |
kaeza |
carry on then |
| 12:41 |
sfan5 |
!g calinou site:phoronix.com/forums/ |
| 12:41 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: http://phoronix.com/forums/member.php?70392-Calinou |
| 12:41 |
cup`of`tea |
anyway, i was thinking of packaging a PC-BSD PBI package of the latest Minetest |
| 12:41 |
cup`of`tea |
the code is OSS, but I'm not sure about the graphics, so I felt it best to ask permission first |
| 12:42 |
sfan5 |
interesting.... |
| 12:43 |
Calinou |
cup`of`tea: i don't |
| 12:43 |
cup`of`tea |
ah, a phoronix member :) that explains Calinou's silly rants |
| 12:43 |
Calinou |
and am i not one of these "BSD sucks and dies" guys |
| 12:43 |
cup`of`tea |
Calinou: you were impersonated? |
| 12:43 |
cup`of`tea |
thank goodness for that |
| 12:43 |
Calinou |
no |
| 12:43 |
cup`of`tea |
i was losing faith in humanity |
| 12:43 |
Calinou |
also, who are you |
| 12:43 |
cup`of`tea |
Calinou: your worst nightmare, you might say |
| 12:43 |
Calinou |
"he's damaging the reputation of the community" lol |
| 12:44 |
Calinou |
yes, a doxer |
| 12:44 |
Calinou |
cup`of`tea: the graphics of Minetest are freely usable btw |
| 12:44 |
Calinou |
CC BY-SA or WTFPL |
| 12:44 |
cup`of`tea |
no, you are not getting doxed |
| 12:44 |
cup`of`tea |
well, that's fantastic calinou |
| 12:44 |
cup`of`tea |
i can get a PBI built within an hour or two and have it pushed out to the repos within the few days |
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* Calinou |
doesn't use sockpuppets |
| 12:45 |
cup`of`tea |
i don't suppose you do know who that BSD sucks and dies person is, do you? |
| 12:45 |
cup`of`tea |
well, that was interesting |
| 12:49 |
cup`of`tea |
anyway, calinou must have been impersonated |
| 12:49 |
cup`of`tea |
there's public logs of what he said |
| 12:49 |
cup`of`tea |
either that, or he's lying |
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Jordach |
ProTip: BSD trolls get kicked |
| 12:51 |
cup`of`tea |
are BSD trolls classed as those who use BSD or those who troll against BSD |
| 12:51 |
Jordach |
who use BSD and troll Linux users |
| 12:51 |
cup`of`tea |
well Jordach, few of them exist |
| 12:51 |
cup`of`tea |
most of them are on the other side |
| 12:51 |
Jordach |
btw, i'm a chan op |
| 12:51 |
sfan5 |
I compiled Minetest for android for the first time without doing any post-cmake file modfiying |
| 12:51 |
cup`of`tea |
and you're one of them aren't you? and I'm well aware. |
| 12:51 |
cup`of`tea |
you set the topic |
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thexyz |
sfan5: does it work? |
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sfan5 |
thexyz: dunno |
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thexyz |
what's the point of compiling it then? |
| 12:52 |
cup`of`tea |
Jordach: I am merely responding to your friend Calinou, who was being a Linux Troll, to use your terminology |
| 12:52 |
sfan5 |
the point is to test whether it works |
| 12:52 |
Jordach |
calinou is a troll; we all know that |
| 12:53 |
cup`of`tea |
we can be friends, then |
| 12:53 |
cup`of`tea |
you, I, and calinou |
| 12:53 |
cup`of`tea |
it's the people who really believe what they say that bug me ;/ |
| 12:54 |
cup`of`tea |
anyway, being as you're a chanop, i wish to notify you that I will be building a new pbi for Minetest on PC-BSD, release 0.4.7, and should have it pushed out within a few days |
| 12:56 |
sfan5 |
keep in mind that Minetest 0.4.8 will be out soonâ„¢ |
| 12:56 |
cup`of`tea |
anyway I have work to do |
| 12:57 |
cup`of`tea |
sfan5: then I'll just have to update it when it comes out :) |
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cup`of`tea |
ttfn # |
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stevez |
Morning |
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stevez |
Anyone up for a mod question? |
| 13:02 |
Mossmanikin |
Hi stevez |
| 13:02 |
stevez |
Hi there |
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thexyz |
just ask your question |
| 13:04 |
stevez |
I am seeking a simple mod which can add some danger to the minetest world. I have tried animals and mobs, and oddly enough, they both seem to eventually leave my client 'locked'/unable to effect change on things and when I reload, it always goes back in time/state to about 5 minutes before I realized I could not do anything. Any thoughts on that simple mod for .47? |
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svuorela |
stevez: oh. I've been quite happy with mobs + zmobs |
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stevez |
And don't load animals? |
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svuorela |
stevez: I haven't been that happy with animals/mobf |
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sfan5 |
its 0.4.7 not .47 |
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stevez |
svu, okay let me hunt down 'mobs' and 'zmobs' and give that a try. |
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sfan5 |
!g minetest mod zmobs |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5282 |
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sfan5 |
!title |
| 13:06 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: [0.4.7] onpon4's Unmoderated Survival Server (Page 1) — Servers — Minetest Forums |
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sfan5 |
!g minetest mod zmobs modpack |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: No results found for 'minetest mod zmobs modpack'. |
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sfan5 |
!g minetest zmobs modpack |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: No results found for 'minetest zmobs modpack'. |
| 13:07 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 13:07 |
nore |
!g minetest zmobs zeg9 |
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MinetestBot |
nore: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-07-22 |
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nore |
!g minetest zmobs zeg9 mod |
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MinetestBot |
nore: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-07-22 |
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stevez |
Thanks! |
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sfan5 |
!title |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: IRC log for #minetest, 2013-07-22 |
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sfan5 |
RealBadAngel: https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/issues/85 in case you haven't seen |
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thexyz |
wow |
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thexyz |
just wow |
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poopyhead |
i am a poopy head |
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poopyhead |
i am a poopy head |
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sfan5 |
!op |
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sfan5 |
heh |
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* Calinou |
uncloaks, backstabs poopyhead |
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fat_face |
fat faces |
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thexyz |
what's this? |
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sfan5 |
!ban *@*62.249.248.135 |
| 13:20 |
thexyz |
why? |
| 13:20 |
thexyz |
you're no fun |
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sfan5 |
*sigh* |
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sfan5 |
!unban *@*62.249.248.135 |
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thexyz |
and easy to manipulate |
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Mossmanikin |
bye, later |
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Jordach |
thexyz, nearly got all the achievements on cookieclicker |
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thexyz |
Jordach: you need to cheat to get all achievements |
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Jordach |
thexyz, nope |
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* Jordach |
is an idler |
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Jordach |
i generate 10,000,000 cookies per second |
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thexyz |
no, you have to |
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thexyz |
there's an achievement |
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thexyz |
> Cheated cookies taste awful |
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thexyz |
> Hack in some cookies |
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Calinou |
what's cookieclicker? :P |
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sfan5 |
http://orteil.dashnet.org/cookieclicker/ |
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thexyz |
though it's marked as [Shadow], I'm not sure what this means |
| 13:31 |
Zeg9 |
this sounds like the anywey.net thing |
| 13:31 |
sfan5 |
its the new replacement for Candy Box |
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sfan5 |
!deop |
| 13:32 |
Calinou |
lol, just use xdotool to click on the cookie |
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Zeg9 |
anywey.whatever |
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thexyz |
sfan5: it's stupid |
| 13:32 |
thexyz |
unlike candy box |
| 13:32 |
sfan5 |
I know |
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sfan5 |
Calinou: that was my first thought too |
| 13:32 |
thexyz |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7068 |
| 13:32 |
thexyz |
love this |
| 13:33 |
Calinou |
can you save? |
| 13:33 |
sfan5 |
challange accepted |
| 13:33 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: it does automatically |
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sfan5 |
you can also do it manually in some menu |
| 13:34 |
thexyz |
you can easily go to Y 400 by jumping and falling into water |
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sfan5 |
s/some/the/ |
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thexyz |
wasn't that hard |
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thexyz |
need the same with 10k start |
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proller |
there was spawn on 30000, on islands, but its impossible to reach |
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proller |
10k need to adjust mapgen to produce not ugly mountains |
| 13:51 |
thexyz |
what a nice village http://i.imgur.com/pBTIVjp.png |
| 13:51 |
proller |
thexyz, and you cant jump in winter - water frozen 8) |
| 13:52 |
thexyz |
but it's not frozen instantly, is it? |
| 13:52 |
proller |
yes, only N game days |
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thexyz |
it'd be good to have death ingame messages, like "sfan5_ died" |
| 13:53 |
proller |
and someone can pour off this lake |
| 13:53 |
proller |
good idea |
| 13:53 |
thexyz |
it'd be a shame if it happened |
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proller |
and somebody broke my dam - it was 150+ deep mountain lake |
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NekoGloop |
http://imgur.com/gallery/fgmWJEH |
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| 15:48 |
* andersje |
gets overhimself |
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sfan5 |
irc.minetest.ru doesn't work "An error occurred while reading CGI reply (no response received" |
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PilzAdam |
^ |
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PilzAdam |
"Can't locate Cache/FileCache.pm in @INC (@INC contains: lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /var/www/irc.minetest.ru/index.pl line 11. |
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PilzAdam |
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /var/www/irc.minetest.ru/index.pl line 11." |
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hmmmm |
i suppose Fortune's algorithm could work |
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hmmmm |
it's an O(n * logn) algorithm, with n being the number of nodes |
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nore |
if we set one point every 16 nodes, that makes 1M points |
| 15:51 |
hmmmm |
the big thing is |
| 15:52 |
hmmmm |
you require the chunk neighbor's to be already generated for this to work |
| 15:52 |
nore |
so with an O(n log n) algorithm, it should be doable in reasonable time |
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nore |
since we execute this once at map creation, and then store the result |
| 15:52 |
hmmmm |
if you don't have the information of the other points in the adjacent blocks, they'll get cut off at the chunk boundary |
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nore |
or I have another idea: |
| 15:53 |
hmmmm |
well, nore, even so i'm not going to be the one to implement this :)... i have other things with minetest to do |
| 15:53 |
hmmmm |
that i still haven't gotten around to |
| 15:53 |
hmmmm |
really need to get on the ball here |
| 15:53 |
Yepoleb |
Does anyone else have extremely bad performance when enabling composite? |
| 15:54 |
nore |
well, that will perhaps be for mapgen v10 ;) |
| 15:54 |
hmmmm |
yepoleb, maybe that's Xfce's problem |
| 15:55 |
hmmmm |
compositors are supposed to watch for 3d applications (well, fullscreened only iirc) and disable compositing |
| 15:55 |
andersje |
Yepoleb: I believe that's a problem on various video chipsets, particularly Intel's integrated stuff |
| 15:55 |
andersje |
Yepoleb: what's your VGA chipset? |
| 15:55 |
Yepoleb |
nvidia |
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andersje |
nvidia what? |
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* andersje |
is running a GTX560Ti |
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Yepoleb |
same as you :D |
| 15:56 |
andersje |
are you running under windows or linux? |
| 15:56 |
Yepoleb |
linux |
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andersje |
also, nice choice on vga card. Okay, cool, nouveau or proprietary drivers? |
| 15:57 |
Yepoleb |
latest stable proprietary |
| 15:58 |
andersje |
hrm. |
| 15:58 |
andersje |
that should give decent performance. |
| 15:58 |
andersje |
tbh, I run the minetest client on windows, with all my servers on linux |
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Yepoleb |
i will try it on gnome |
| 16:00 |
hmmmm |
what are you trying it with right now? |
| 16:06 |
andersje |
Calinou: have you ever considered adding trap_glow_glass and trap_super_glow_glass? if I coded those up, would you be willing to add them into your moreblocks mod? |
| 16:06 |
Calinou |
meh |
| 16:06 |
Calinou |
they are very easy to do yourself anyway |
| 16:06 |
Calinou |
copy the definition, add "walkable = false," :P |
| 16:06 |
* andersje |
nods |
| 16:06 |
Calinou |
and change the node name |
| 16:06 |
andersje |
right. |
| 16:07 |
andersje |
I was going to add trap_stained_glass, and I already leverage your moreblocks mod. |
| 16:07 |
Calinou |
I'll maybe add them later |
| 16:07 |
andersje |
so I just wanted to see if it makes sense to add them into your repo. |
| 16:07 |
andersje |
I'm happy to throw it together and send you a pull request :) |
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Calinou |
ok |
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andersje |
this is how I'm learning the API =) adding stuff in mods. |
| 16:09 |
andersje |
besides, my kids want me to teach them to mod...so now I have to learn |
| 16:11 |
Yepoleb |
it runs fine on kde with compositing |
| 16:11 |
andersje |
interesting |
| 16:11 |
andersje |
default:mese == mese_crystal, right? |
| 16:12 |
Yepoleb |
gnome crashed after login |
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andersje |
weird. |
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andersje |
what were you running before? XFCE? |
| 16:12 |
Yepoleb |
yes |
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hmmmm |
hah |
| 16:12 |
hmmmm |
[11:54 AM] <hmmmm> yepoleb, maybe that's Xfce's problem |
| 16:13 |
Yepoleb |
i've read that |
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andersje |
I've had weird results with graphics on XFCE. I usually run openbox or fluxbox :/ |
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hmmmm |
i know i just love it when i'm right |
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andersje |
oops, sorry. |
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andersje |
I missed that. |
| 16:13 |
Yepoleb |
:D |
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hmmmm |
eh, yeah. |
| 16:13 |
hmmmm |
xfce is great but it has its problems |
| 16:13 |
hmmmm |
you can use xcompmgr instead to workaround this |
| 16:13 |
Yepoleb |
i use compton |
| 16:14 |
Calinou |
no tearing on xfce for me |
| 16:14 |
Calinou |
don't limit your FPS to your screen's refresh rate without vsync |
| 16:14 |
hmmmm |
well aren't you lucky (or a non-nvidia proprietary user) |
| 16:14 |
Calinou |
nvidia proprietary |
| 16:14 |
Calinou |
304.51 313.18 319.17 all good |
| 16:14 |
Calinou |
distro is xubuntu |
| 16:15 |
Yepoleb |
i think i will say goodbye to xfce |
| 16:15 |
hmmmm |
i have vsync enabled all the time but i have a feeling that it's not actually working, nvidia-settings is lying to me |
| 16:15 |
Yepoleb |
it causes too much problems |
| 16:15 |
Calinou |
I'm not using sync to vblank |
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Calinou |
to be sure, you can try application profiles |
| 16:16 |
Calinou |
they were added in 319.17 |
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Yepoleb |
i have never really tried e17 |
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* Calinou |
only used Unity, gnome 2.x, gnome 3.0, xfce 4.8 and 4.10, lxde |
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hmmmm |
xfce has practically no development going on |
| 16:18 |
Yepoleb |
gnome 2 was best |
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hmmmm |
right now it's practically a one-man show |
| 16:19 |
Calinou |
gnome 2 is old and obsolete, and slow |
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Yepoleb |
ik, but it was great |
| 16:20 |
jin_xi |
hm, what is a good place to upload a folder? |
| 16:20 |
jin_xi |
omploader is gone, right? |
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Yepoleb |
i use dropbox for everything |
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kaeza |
dropbox |
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jin_xi |
that needs an account, right? |
| 16:22 |
Yepoleb |
yes |
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Mossmanikin |
Hi folks |
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Yepoleb |
hello |
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jin_xi |
ok, so i've made the tetris biome stuff into a little thing you can test yourself, incase anyone is interested... |
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jin_xi |
http://www.wikisend.com/download/715858/minetest_j.zip here |
| 16:41 |
jin_xi |
its not a mod, but a game, so put it into games folder, and start a new world after selecting it... and use mgv7 |
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Mossmanikin |
I'll test it :) |
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jin_xi |
hmmmm: ^ this uses decorations, luavoxelmanips and on_generated in a probably suboptimal way. id be grateful if you could have a look |
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AndrOn |
kjkljh |
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AndrOn |
sry |
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AndrOn |
didn't know where to type ^^ |
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AndrOn |
I tested your game jin_xi and it crashed, and for some reason I have no debug.txt |
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khonkhortisan |
VanessaE, it's the semicolon at the end of the first if. If(A)on(B) says code not valid (but it works), if(A)on(B); removes the ability to program the microcontroller. |
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PilzAdam |
AndrOn, have you set debug_log_level to 0 in minetest.conf? |
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AndrOn |
no, it's on 4 |
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Mossmanikin |
jin_xi: I've an error too: ERROR[main]: ServerError: LuaError: error: ...013-08-29)\bin\..\games\minetest_j\mods\turtle/forth.lua:126: attempt to concatenate a nil value |
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PilzAdam |
AndrOn, try setting a file manually with --logfile |
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hmmmm |
jin_xi, ?? what file |
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hmmmm |
oh, didn't see turtle, sorry. |
| 16:58 |
hmmmm |
hmm, that turtle.spawn function assigns the content ids to a table. using a table to store content ids in comparison to storing them in their own local variables decreases performance by 30% as observed by pilzadam |
| 16:58 |
hmmmm |
in your case you might not be able to help it, if the materials are dynamically assigned |
| 16:58 |
AndrOn |
I lauched it with a terminal and I have the same lua error |
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AndrOn |
then a lot of things followed by "Abandon" |
| 17:00 |
hmmmm |
your node set loop doesn't need to use indexp either.. kahrl added some sort of iterator function that you should use, or you could increment the position manually if you'd like to do a little additional work |
| 17:00 |
hmmmm |
other than that it looks fine |
| 17:01 |
Mossmanikin |
the generated map looks great :) |
| 17:02 |
jin_xi |
hmmmm: i mean the game i posted above... it uses the turtle, but also uses decorations to find the locations |
| 17:02 |
jin_xi |
so decos place nodes and on generated finds them and spawns the turtles... |
| 17:04 |
jin_xi |
Mossmanikin: so you get tetris pieces, shells and candyland stuff generated? and how did you get that error? |
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Mossmanikin |
jin_xi: yes it generates just fine, the error appeared while I clicked through the creative inventory... |
| 17:06 |
jin_xi |
oh ok |
| 17:06 |
jin_xi |
its because i didnt remove/fix that forth tool |
| 17:06 |
jin_xi |
its not needed for the generation in any way. |
| 17:07 |
Mossmanikin |
jin_xi: yeah, when I clicked on the run button to look what happens |
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babyface1031 |
? how do you take screen shots |
| 17:11 |
jin_xi |
well, you can use that tool to generate turtle programs and spawn them... |
| 17:11 |
jin_xi |
but i should have removed it from turtle and make it its own thing. |
| 17:12 |
Mossmanikin |
If one knows how to :D |
| 17:12 |
jin_xi |
theres a thread with info on it on the forum if you're interested |
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ww2005 |
hello |
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ww2005 |
I am back |
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ww2005 |
Sfan5? |
| 17:13 |
jin_xi |
but what you think of the "generated structure" feature? how bad is the lag for you? |
| 17:13 |
sfan5 |
ww2005: who are you? |
| 17:13 |
ww2005 |
I play on your server hunger games |
| 17:14 |
Mossmanikin |
I'll check the thread, later ;) |
| 17:14 |
Mossmanikin |
the lag was exaptable |
| 17:14 |
ww2005 |
sfan |
| 17:14 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: server.minetest.net announcing doesn't work: "An error occurred while reading CGI reply (no response received)" |
| 17:14 |
sfan5 |
ww2005: hm? |
| 17:15 |
ww2005 |
The server hunger games I play on it |
| 17:15 |
sfan5 |
servers* |
| 17:15 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 17:15 |
ww2005 |
your server |
| 17:15 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 17:15 |
ww2005 |
*?? |
| 17:15 |
ww2005 |
Yes |
| 17:15 |
ww2005 |
tthe hunger games |
| 17:15 |
thexyz |
sfan5: fixed |
| 17:15 |
ww2005 |
whats fixed |
| 17:16 |
sfan5 |
thanks |
| 17:16 |
ww2005 |
For what |
| 17:16 |
ww2005 |
playing on your server |
| 17:17 |
ww2005 |
*Deletes* |
| 17:17 |
ww2005 |
sfan you there |
| 17:17 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 17:18 |
sfan5 |
!server ping:least |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: creative | 94.23.33.108:30002 | Clients: 1/20, 11 | Version: 0.4.7 | ping: 0.113 |
| 17:18 |
ww2005 |
Also whats the password for your nether and stuff server |
| 17:18 |
sfan5 |
there is no password |
| 17:18 |
NekoGloop |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxyFwDQN08s |
| 17:18 |
sfan5 |
!title |
| 17:18 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: ã€Oliver】Pumpkin Marchã€Original Song】 - YouTube |
| 17:18 |
ww2005 |
It always says wrong password |
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ww2005 |
sfan I'll see then come back |
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ww2005 |
Im back |
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ww2005 |
sfan |
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Exio4 |
oh man |
| 17:24 |
Exio4 |
i look at #mt-dev |
| 17:24 |
ww2005 |
where is sfan |
| 17:24 |
Exio4 |
"use json" |
| 17:24 |
Exio4 |
fuck |
| 17:24 |
ww2005 |
No bad words please |
| 17:24 |
ww2005 |
sfan are you there |
| 17:25 |
ww2005 |
SFAN5 |
| 17:26 |
ww2005 |
Exio4 |
| 17:26 |
Exio4 |
what the fuck do you want so |
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ww2005 |
sfan |
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PilzAdam |
ww2005, read the topic |
| 17:27 |
ww2005 |
where |
| 17:27 |
PilzAdam |
"RULES: be patient" |
| 17:27 |
ww2005 |
but I need him |
| 17:28 |
PilzAdam |
doesnt matter |
| 17:28 |
ww2005 |
OK |
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ww2005 |
VasseneS? |
| 17:28 |
ww2005 |
ljdfjfgjfghfhfj\ |
| 17:28 |
PilzAdam |
stop asking for people |
| 17:28 |
PilzAdam |
just ask/say what you want |
| 17:29 |
PilzAdam |
they will read it when they come back |
| 17:29 |
ww2005 |
Ok but At least im 8 |
| 17:29 |
NekoGloop |
You are so fucking annoying |
| 17:29 |
ww2005 |
IM 8 |
| 17:29 |
NekoGloop |
good for you |
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ww2005 |
help someone people are saying bad words |
| 17:31 |
NekoGloop |
welcome to the internet, child. |
| 17:31 |
ww2005 |
welcome, fool |
| 17:32 |
ww2005 |
Im unjoining |
| 17:32 |
ww2005 |
what |
| 17:32 |
ww2005 |
fufjjfjhf |
| 17:32 |
thexyz |
hey |
| 17:32 |
ww2005 |
what |
| 17:32 |
thexyz |
you're not allowed to visit internet at that age |
| 17:33 |
ww2005 |
Ok when my dad comes home and he is on can I go on |
| 17:33 |
nore |
could you stop typing nonsense please? |
| 17:33 |
thexyz |
I guess… |
| 17:33 |
NekoGloop |
We aren't your parents |
| 17:33 |
ww2005 |
he signed me up for this |
| 17:33 |
Miner_48er |
what do you need? |
| 17:33 |
ww2005 |
nothing |
| 17:34 |
Exio4 |
so don't be annoying, please :) |
| 17:34 |
Exio4 |
i mean, you look like a fucking retarded when doing that spam |
| 17:34 |
thexyz |
he didn't know where could that lead |
| 17:34 |
NekoGloop |
"a fucking retarded" what? |
| 17:35 |
Exio4 |
i don't know how to translate "pelotudo" to english |
| 17:35 |
Exio4 |
NekoGloop: ^ |
| 17:35 |
thexyz |
Exio4 a word |
| 17:35 |
NekoGloop |
Neither do I |
| 17:35 |
Exio4 |
:D |
| 17:35 |
Exio4 |
let it be valid |
| 17:35 |
thexyz |
what a nice word |
| 17:36 |
Exio4 |
yeah, very nice |
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Exio4 |
k |
| 17:36 |
thexyz |
it seems that noone read rules |
| 17:36 |
Exio4 |
it worked |
| 17:36 |
thexyz |
be patient |
| 17:36 |
thexyz |
respect other users |
| 17:36 |
Exio4 |
i respect users |
| 17:36 |
Exio4 |
*users* |
| 17:36 |
PilzAdam |
Exio4, you dont seem to respect pelotudos |
| 17:37 |
NekoGloop |
I respect users as well as the next person |
| 17:37 |
Exio4 |
aw |
| 17:37 |
NekoGloop |
That is to say, not at all. |
| 17:37 |
Exio4 |
PilzAdam: the wordisn't like google translate it anyway |
| 17:37 |
thexyz |
oh well |
| 17:37 |
Exio4 |
that is why i don't know a proper translation |
| 17:37 |
thexyz |
we both know the truth though |
| 17:37 |
Exio4 |
my space key doesn't work :( |
| 17:38 |
Exio4 |
what truth? |
| 17:39 |
thexyz |
that you don't follow this rule |
| 17:39 |
NekoGloop |
I'll respect other users as well as they respect me |
| 17:40 |
Exio4 |
i know |
| 17:40 |
thexyz |
NekoGloop: that's not what written in the rules |
| 17:40 |
Exio4 |
just don't be annoying and nobody will annoy you |
| 17:40 |
NekoGloop |
So you propose I should welcome landmine with open arms? |
| 17:40 |
Exio4 |
-- common sense |
| 17:41 |
PilzAdam |
NekoGloop, /ignore |
| 17:41 |
thexyz |
yes, there's /ignore |
| 17:42 |
thexyz |
use it instead of "fuck off" or whatever you're used to |
| 17:42 |
Exio4 |
k |
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nore |
is jin_xi still there? |
| 17:50 |
NekoGloop |
nope |
| 17:50 |
nore |
no luck then... :( |
| 17:51 |
nore |
<Exio4> my space key doesn't work :( <-- how did you type that then? |
| 17:51 |
PilzAdam |
nore, copy and paste? |
| 17:51 |
kaeza |
Alt+32 :D |
| 17:52 |
nore |
perhaps... I already had to start a world in minetest, get a command block, copy the 7, exit, go to client tab, paste the 7 to join a server... |
| 17:53 |
nore |
because 7 doesn't work with AZERTY keyboards, and copy-paste doesn't work from outside Minetest |
| 17:54 |
nore |
btw, those bugs should really be fixed |
| 17:55 |
Calinou |
or switch to another keyboard layout |
| 17:55 |
Calinou |
they should |
| 17:55 |
Calinou |
now, fix that :P |
| 17:56 |
nore |
does it come from Irrlicht? |
| 17:57 |
Calinou |
i think so |
| 17:57 |
nore |
then we should tell that to the Irrlicht guys ;) |
| 17:57 |
Calinou |
inb4 fixed in a irrlicht release that users will use in 3 years |
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Miner_48er |
any change in technic to drain power when not in use? |
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kahrl |
7 in AZERTY is shift+é right? |
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kahrl |
I had no problem typing it into the address box |
| 18:06 |
Calinou |
no it's shift+è |
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kahrl |
oh, right |
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kahrl |
y u no use fewer accents French people? :P |
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sfan5 |
lol |
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NekoGloop |
how do i use the grid in gimp |
| 18:11 |
NekoGloop |
nvm |
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NekoGloop |
GAH |
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NekoGloop |
THAT IS NOT A PIXEL, GIMP |
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kaeza |
I just gave up trying to do pixel art in Gimp |
| 18:15 |
kaeza |
NekoGloop, try ASEprite |
| 18:15 |
NekoGloop |
I need it for the grid |
| 18:16 |
NekoGloop |
This... this is just stupid |
| 18:17 |
NekoGloop |
There we go, THAT's a pixel. |
| 18:18 |
NekoGloop |
I don't want to paste a fucking new layer I want it on the damn layer I'm editing. |
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nore |
I use pencil with toolsize=1 when doing pixel art with Gimp, it works quite well |
| 18:19 |
NekoGloop |
I figured that out. |
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* Calinou |
sucks at pixel art, uses filters instead |
| 18:19 |
NekoGloop |
I've also figured out that copy-paste doesn't work |
| 18:19 |
Calinou |
(when i don't need to recolor specific pixels) |
| 18:20 |
NekoGloop |
Can we just rename this editor to "autism" kthxbai |
| 18:24 |
NekoGloop |
If your editor is worse than the one packaged in Game Maker, you suck. |
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NekoGloop |
kaeza, ASEprite is much betterer thank you |
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kaeza |
you're welcome :) |
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kaeza |
you'll find it much easier to handle without all those flashy menus and options of Gimp |
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NekoGloop |
Still has its oddities but it's usable |
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nore |
proller, does temperature decreases with altitude? |
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nore |
-s |
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proller |
yes |
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proller |
3c per 1000 |
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nore |
and another question: is the freeze/melt temperature configurable? |
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nore |
I.E.,can I make stone melt at 1000°? |
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proller |
in next - yes |
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proller |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/892 - here |
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proller |
but now one small problem - SLOW BUGGY falling code |
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proller |
melting stone cause gravel to fall |
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proller |
and it stop server |
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proller |
but its very fun |
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nore |
then melt gravel too... |
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proller |
it melt step-by-step, and starts falling anyway |
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proller |
need to make boiling for removing water from hot underground.. |
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DanDuncombe |
VanessaE, can you please update this mod on your server, and camo modpack.Thanks a bunch. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7065 |
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Mossmanikin |
Hi folks |
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Mossmanikin |
PilzAdam: thnx again for the hint to find minetest.get_heat(pos) and minetest.get_humidity(pos). It was like searching for easter eggs :D (it's different than in plants_lib) |
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DanDuncombe |
Mossmanikin Are you good at texturing? |
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Mossmanikin |
DanDuncombe: define "good"... but I have a bit of experience ;) |
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DanDuncombe |
Well, could you make a texture for the tbm mod? It would be the texture for the tunnel floor node- which the tbm lays undre it as it goes along. It must tile well, look nice and smooth and not ugly,like stonetiles in moreblocks |
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DanDuncombe |
But it can't be identical to other nodes, of course, lest they be confused |
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DanDuncombe |
Mossmanikin, would that be possible? |
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Mossmanikin |
DanDuncombe: I'd like to give it a try (and probably give you the result per PM, or post in the thread, within 24 hours) |
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DanDuncombe |
Thanks! |
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DanDuncombe |
SO smooth an tileable basically |
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DanDuncombe |
Up to you to decide whether it is stony or woody or whatever in style |
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Calinou |
stonetiles not ugly? :D |
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Calinou |
they are based on the old stone texture |
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Mossmanikin |
DanDuncombe: smooth sounds good, freedom is good, tileable self-evident ;) |
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DanDuncombe |
Lovely |
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DanDuncombe |
Also, how do I make a node emit a particle about once per second? |
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Mossmanikin |
DanDuncombe: don't have that much experience with particles... did you check the code of paramat's volcano mod? |
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DanDuncombe |
I might.What is the expected time for the texture to be done? |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: proller github.com commited to minetest/minetest: Normalized heat and adjusted humidity 902d5927f0 2013-08-29T13:42:53-07:00 http://git.io/IYwD0A |
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Mossmanikin |
DanDuncombe: since I'm going to bed some time soon and have almost no other plans for tomorrow: in about 16 hours |
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DanDuncombe |
Ok |
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DanDuncombe |
Thanks |
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DanDuncombe |
Is VanessaE awake? |
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Mossmanikin |
DanDuncombe: you're welcome |
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khonkhortisan |
VanessaE is not around |
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khonkhortisan |
But when she is, she should try if(A)on(B)\\\; and click the program button repeatedly |
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pgrytdal |
How do I enable "fly" privilege? |
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khonkhortisan |
/grant singleplayer fly |
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khonkhortisan |
I don't remember the default button to enable/disable it once you have the priv- |
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Mossmanikin |
You mean "k"? |
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* khonkhortisan |
shrugs |
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pgrytdal |
Yes, it is K. |
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pgrytdal |
Can I move in "Fly"? |
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ShadowNinja |
Should the Minetest wiki allow for content from other mods/games or just from minetest_game? |
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khonkhortisan |
your climb ladder/sink faster in water buttons move you up/down |
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Mossmanikin |
ShadowNinja: IMHO it should, but it should also be clear that the stuff isn't part of the default mod |
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Mossmanikin |
*mod/game |
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khonkhortisan |
How is engine.formspec_escape called from a mod? |
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Mossmanikin |
need some sleep, bye, later |
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khonkhortisan |
it works in builtin/mainmenu.lua but not in mesecons/mesecons_microcontroller/init.lua |
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ShadowNinja |
khonkhortisan: minetest.formspec_escape(string) |
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ShadowNinja |
engine.* in mainmenu == minetest.* in game. |
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khonkhortisan |
ok |
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ShadowNinja |
(Usually) |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: khonkhortisan commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Escape microcontroller code in formspec 75ca00f51e 2013-08-29T14:14:04-07:00 http://git.io/hwAVVg |
| 21:17 |
thexyz |
this is good http://coding2learn.org/blog/2013/08/21/how-i-do-my-computing-by-equals-richard-stallman/ |
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sfan5 |
haha |
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thexyz |
I, too, have samsung galaxy thingy. It's good |
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sfan5 |
"and my messages are always in capitals so they know how wrong they are." |
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sfan5 |
Internet 101: Arguing with people |
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sfan5 |
+e |
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khonkhortisan |
VanessaE, When the C port of a luacontroller turns on, ports A,B,and D are drawn smoother. (HDIX-128) |
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khonkhortisan |
*HDX |
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khonkhortisan |
That page gets worse the more you read |
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sfan5 |
hehe |
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jeffrash |
qq, on the technic mod |
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jeffrash |
I have a regular furnace connected to 10 water mills with LV wire |
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jeffrash |
it still says it's unpowered |
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jeffrash |
why? |
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jeffrash |
what am I missing? |
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kaeza |
do you have a battery box? |
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kaeza |
._. |
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kaeza |
Note to self: Ctrl+W == Close tab |
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khonkhortisan |
not new window |
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bas080 |
is there a mg_flag for one node mapgen? |
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bas080 |
Of should i leave "mg_name =" empty? |
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bas080 |
or remove it? |
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bas080 |
Or is there a better way in disabling the mapgen? |
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PilzAdam |
bas080, mg_name = singlenode |
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PilzAdam |
this outputs mapgen_singlenode, which is air if you dont set an alias |
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bas080 |
So i'm making a game that is like the island in the sky but allot different. It does not use any nodes of any mods. Not even the default. To avoid error messages what is the best to do? |
| 22:08 |
PilzAdam |
use singlenode mapgen |
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bas080 |
And use aliases for the mapgen_water_source to turn into air. |
| 22:11 |
bas080 |
and add the required textures heart and crack |
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PilzAdam |
singlenode doesnt output any water |
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bas080 |
i get node 'mapgen_water_source' not defined |
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bas080 |
BiomeDefManager |
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hmmmm |
hrmmmm |
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hmmmm |
that should be air |
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hmmmm |
so what's wrong with aliasing mapgen_water_source to air? |
| 22:17 |
bas080 |
I have no mods on, removed them all |
| 22:17 |
Inocudom |
I looked at the irc log for today and saw that RealBadAngel is with us again. |
| 22:18 |
Inocudom |
Also, oOChainLynxOo was on Redcrab's main server yesterday. He will be playing Minetest again. |
| 22:27 |
Jordach_ |
jeffrash, you need a switching station |
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* pgrytdal |
is away: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
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VanessaE |
khonkhortisan: yeah I know about that issue (HDX, LuaC). too lazy to fix it right now :P |
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VanessaE |
bas080: vines on my server is unmodified from your git repo |
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Exio4 |
hi |
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VanessaE |
hi all. |
| 22:30 |
Exio4 |
hi V! |
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Jordach_ |
Inocudom, i don't see you here often |
| 22:33 |
Jordach_ |
eg, get here more often :P |
| 22:33 |
Inocudom |
I started here just a couple of days ago. |
| 22:34 |
Jordach |
ah |
| 22:36 |
Jordach |
i did make a ak47 earlier: http://i.imgur.com/tIF9MSB.png |
| 22:37 |
Inocudom |
Is it for your future renderings? It will work well. |
| 22:38 |
Jordach |
Inocudom, correct, i'm working on a revised burger model atm |
| 22:40 |
Inocudom |
oOChainLynxOo started playing Minetest again. He does videos of Redcrab's main server. |
| 22:40 |
Jordach |
i noticed recently |
| 22:41 |
Inocudom |
He recently met someone nicknamed MrDiamondBones, who used to play on Minetest's servers. |
| 22:42 |
Inocudom |
MrDiamondBones has a few videos on Youtube as well, and a few of them are of Minetest. |
| 22:42 |
andersje |
!seen Calinou |
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MinetestBot |
andersje: calinou was last seen at 2013-08-29 20:18:13 UTC on #minetest |
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Inocudom |
RealBadAngel was here on this channel today. Look in the chat log for this channel. |
| 22:44 |
Inocudom |
For his posts, I mean to say. |
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PilzAdam |
bas080, is that edit by you: http://dev.minetest.net/index.php?title=mg_flags&curid=410&diff=1504&oldid=1188&rcid=1624 ? |
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Exio4 |
unless he has a twin brother, it is him |
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PilzAdam |
bas080, this is wrong, singlenode is a mapgenerator, not a flag |
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jojoa1997 |
hi |
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jojoa1997 |
what is so special about singlenode? |
| 22:52 |
Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/v5YGLzX.png |
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bas080 |
PilzAdam, yes sorry for that! |
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jojoa1997 |
what is so special about singlenode? |
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* Jordach |
isn't inspired by mtfoods, honestly |
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* jojoa1997 |
agrees with Jordach |
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VanessaE |
bbl |
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NekoGloopMkII |
I should do coding things with glooptest |
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NekoGloopMkII |
.... naaaaaaaah |
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Inocudom |
Hybrid Dog updated the old nether mod and the nyancat heaven mod recently. Looks like he intends to keep them up to date. |
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NekoGloopMkII |
So he's updating heaven AND hell? |
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