| Time |
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| 00:00 |
OldCoder |
Hmm |
| 00:08 |
JesseH |
Forgot that you were in here OldCoder :P |
| 00:10 |
OldCoder |
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| 00:10 |
OldCoder |
Only for a year |
| 00:10 |
OldCoder |
I need to have a word with PilzAdam I think |
| 00:10 |
OldCoder |
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| 00:10 |
JesseH |
Theres a couple things I wanted to try with this game. |
| 00:10 |
OldCoder |
Oh? |
| 00:10 |
arsdragonfly |
He's gone :-P |
| 00:10 |
JesseH |
Not sure how long I will stick around. |
| 00:19 |
OldCoder |
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| 00:20 |
OldCoder |
arsdragonfly, I know... that's why the hmm. He and I need to have a talk. JesseH Do you mean tonight? |
| 00:20 |
* OldCoder |
will bbs |
| 00:20 |
JesseH |
OldCoder, Around with this community. I am not active here :P |
| 00:21 |
JesseH |
Good gawd minetest is taking forever to make xD |
| 00:22 |
JesseH |
make/build |
| 00:25 |
JesseH |
and it errors >_> |
| 00:25 |
JesseH |
Screw it, ill download a precompiled version :P |
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OldCoder |
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arsdragonfly |
JesseH why not pastebin the error message |
| 00:28 |
OldCoder |
sokomine, Hi! |
| 00:28 |
* OldCoder |
will bbs |
| 00:31 |
JesseH |
arsdragonfly, and spend that same time getting back up to that point? no |
| 00:39 |
JesseH |
shit, how do I craft things in minetest |
| 00:39 |
OldCoder |
Back |
| 00:40 |
JesseH |
welcome back |
| 00:41 |
JesseH |
It takes like 3 seconds for a block to show up when I place it |
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| 01:41 |
LazyJ |
VanessaE, I just noticed that a lot of the mod items aren't showing up in the inventory screen on your server. |
| 01:41 |
LazyJ |
Is there a limit to Unified Inventory's capacity? |
| 01:42 |
LazyJ |
Or is something conflicting with the bump-up from 4096 (items?)? |
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| 02:01 |
oxenfreedan |
does anyone here use fedora linux? |
| 02:01 |
oxenfreedan |
or mint? |
| 02:01 |
oxenfreedan |
or even both? |
| 02:01 |
nalkri |
I don't know. |
| 02:06 |
VanessaE |
LazyJ: what items? |
| 02:07 |
Exio4 |
hi |
| 02:07 |
VanessaE |
LazyJ: if you mean things like stained glass, colored wood, unified bricks, etc., I took them out of the inventory to reduce the clutter. Use sokomine's paint booth object to obtain them. |
| 02:12 |
LazyJ |
Ah, thanks. |
| 02:14 |
LazyJ |
Did you have to go through each item's code and hide it from inventory or were you able to use an easier method? |
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| 02:28 |
Exio4 |
VanessaE: do you have some spare 450USD? :D |
| 02:28 |
VanessaE |
not even. |
| 02:28 |
Exio4 |
;P |
| 02:28 |
VanessaE |
LazyJ: I altered each of the mods |
| 02:28 |
VanessaE |
I only did that with those mods that add large numbers of colored nodes. |
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| 02:31 |
LazyJ |
VanessaE, that's a big undertaking. |
| 02:31 |
VanessaE |
eh, it was easy |
| 02:31 |
VanessaE |
took me all of 10 mins or so |
| 02:32 |
LazyJ |
I just went through several our mods blocking somethings from inventory, fixing recipes for others so they would show in the craft guide. |
| 02:32 |
LazyJ |
My head hurt from staring at all the code. :p |
| 02:33 |
LazyJ |
During that process I had to create aliases for wood and cobble. |
| 02:34 |
LazyJ |
The default mod's init uses "group:wood" and "group:stone" for chests and tool recipes but that fubared in the craft guide. |
| 02:35 |
LazyJ |
Why the shift from default:wood/cobble to group:wood/stone ? |
| 02:35 |
NekoGloop |
for mod-added wood/stone |
| 02:36 |
VanessaE |
so that any random wood could, for example, make a fence or sticks or wnatever |
| 02:37 |
LazyJ |
So does that mean RBA needs to update Unified Inventory to accept group:material-type? |
| 02:37 |
VanessaE |
dunno |
| 02:37 |
VanessaE |
ask him :) |
| 02:37 |
VanessaE |
(probably, not) |
| 02:38 |
* khonkhortisan |
puts a kitten on MinetestBot's head - Argooon didn't want it |
| 02:39 |
LazyJ |
mhm... will do when time-zones work-out. ;) |
| 02:40 |
Exio4 |
i need about 5500 ARS (1100~ USD) for what i want :( |
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* OldCoder |
will return later |
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Kacey |
Every time I see a label on something that says Non-Flammable, the little voice inside my head goes... Challenge Accepted! |
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| 06:54 |
Jordach |
hey Taoki[mobile] |
| 06:55 |
Taoki[mobile] |
Hi |
| 06:55 |
Jordach |
^ Samsung Galaxy S3 user |
| 06:55 |
Taoki[mobile] |
:) |
| 06:55 |
Taoki[mobile] |
It says that on my nixk? |
| 06:55 |
Taoki[mobile] |
Nick i mean |
| 06:57 |
Jordach |
nope.avi |
| 06:57 |
Taoki[mobile] |
Ok :) |
| 06:58 |
Taoki[mobile] |
Thought its in irc user info |
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| 07:34 |
PenguinDad |
Taoki[mobile] you are using AndroIRC |
| 07:41 |
kahrl |
Hey guys. I'm sorry I haven't been very active lately. I'm in sort of an existential crisis |
| 07:43 |
VanessaE |
kahrl: what's wrong |
| 07:43 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 07:43 |
kahrl |
I think I found a problem in the proof of the Futurama Theorem |
| 07:43 |
kahrl |
it doesn't work when you choose i = k |
| 07:44 |
VanessaE |
oooookay then |
| 07:45 |
* VanessaE |
sucks at math :P |
| 07:54 |
LazyJ |
VanessaE, your server doesn't have a fraction of the lag (or the perception of lag) ours does, yet you have a tremendous amount of mods. Does that reduce the possible causes to the server hosting service? I have a hefty cpu and cable Internet and still get a lot of snap-back while ingame. :/ |
| 07:55 |
VanessaE |
most of the lag you'll get from a server comes down to three things: anti-cheat (I disabled it), mods that hook into the mapgen (like moretrees or, say, snow mod or so), and network latency (can't do much about that) |
| 07:56 |
VanessaE |
since most of the interesting parts of the map (i.e. with about 3km of the spawn) are already generated, there's not much lag from that part, until someone explores new ground. |
| 07:57 |
LazyJ |
Oddly, the "lag" is greatest at our spawn point. |
| 07:57 |
LazyJ |
"Lag", is becoming a general term for sluggish game-play. |
| 07:57 |
VanessaE |
lag only applies to latency between actions and the server answering. |
| 07:58 |
VanessaE |
it doesn't apply to poor client performance, e.g. low fps |
| 07:58 |
LazyJ |
I used to think it was a connection problem for players (and old hardware). |
| 07:59 |
LazyJ |
I have 60fps while ingame so the problem(s) are elsewhere. |
| 08:00 |
VanessaE |
I'm lucky to get 25 fps at the spawn on my server, even with the default textures |
| 08:00 |
VanessaE |
but again, that is not lag as it doesn't really involve the server itself or the network, that's low performance in the client |
| 08:01 |
LazyJ |
Yeah, "lag" isn't the proper term... but players use it like "Xerox" or "Kleenex". |
| 08:01 |
VanessaE |
and if I'm using HDX + shaders + blah blah blah, I can't seem to even get a consistent 20 fps anymore. |
| 08:01 |
* Taoki[mobile] |
wonders if RealBadAngel has any news on parallax shader or fog colors code |
| 08:01 |
VanessaE |
players may use it, but you must work on correcting them when you see it :-) |
| 08:02 |
VanessaE |
Taoki[mobile]: he's very close, as I understand |
| 08:02 |
LazyJ |
I'm still struggling to remember the definition myself. :p |
| 08:03 |
VanessaE |
simple: if it involves the server doing something, or recognizing you doing something, or the network in between, it's lag. |
| 08:03 |
LazyJ |
One of the many things on my MT to-do list is to try to learn/figure out where and why our server is suffering so badly. |
| 08:03 |
Taoki[mobile] |
Yay... cant wait |
| 08:03 |
VanessaE |
if it doesn't - i.e. it's in the client - it's whatever it directly appears to be, low fps or whatever |
| 08:03 |
LazyJ |
Hmm... dug blocks reappearing = lag? |
| 08:04 |
VanessaE |
yep |
| 08:04 |
LazyJ |
Flying to a location then suddenly snapping back to the place you started from = lag? |
| 08:05 |
VanessaE |
yep |
| 08:05 |
VanessaE |
and that one's something called "lagporting" or "lag-teleporting". |
| 08:05 |
LazyJ |
Ok, I think I'm starting to get a bead on the term. |
| 08:06 |
LazyJ |
The host is using a virtual machine, I think. |
| 08:06 |
VanessaE |
that...doesn't help. |
| 08:07 |
VanessaE |
particularly if the host has too many other processes running and consuming CPU or network bandwidth |
| 08:07 |
LazyJ |
I've been wondering if that may be at the core of our issues. |
| 08:07 |
VanessaE |
it might |
| 08:07 |
LazyJ |
You host your server on your computer, sans-virtual machine, correct? |
| 08:07 |
VanessaE |
yep on both counts |
| 08:08 |
VanessaE |
behind a 30/3 cablemodem service, without any excess intervening hardware or other services running, just a decent firewall |
| 08:08 |
LazyJ |
So what search terms do I use to find a hosting service that doesn't use a virtual machine but a real, dedicated machine? |
| 08:08 |
VanessaE |
it helps that it has 6 cores, so I can do other stuff e.g. youtube or MT client without issues. |
| 08:09 |
VanessaE |
I think the only way you'll get that is if you co-locate. |
| 08:09 |
LazyJ |
Co-locate? |
| 08:09 |
VanessaE |
though some VPS's might give you access to your own machine |
| 08:09 |
VanessaE |
"co-locate", or "co-lo" means to pay for space and bandwidth to host your own hardware, which you either ship to the NOC or take it there yourself. |
| 08:10 |
LazyJ |
Hmm.... I assume a the cost is far greater. |
| 08:10 |
VanessaE |
considerably so |
| 08:11 |
LazyJ |
All for a free game for other player to play for free. Heh, nothing is truly free. |
| 08:11 |
VanessaE |
heh yep |
| 08:11 |
kahrl |
just dive into the atlantic, find the internet connection between europe and america, and hook your server to it |
| 08:11 |
VanessaE |
better to just get a really good broadband connection and run it on your own hardware at home |
| 08:11 |
VanessaE |
kahrl: heh |
| 08:12 |
LazyJ |
Well, unfortunately the government doesn't like competition otherwise I'd just print off a few million or billion. :0) |
| 08:12 |
Taoki[mobile] |
Open-Source proved some tbings can be fully free |
| 08:12 |
VanessaE |
LazyJ: when you get around to doing THAT, print me a few hundred thousand and I'll be perfectly happy :-) |
| 08:13 |
LazyJ |
You know... at the rate they are going, how would they notice a few privately printed millions. :/ |
| 08:13 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 08:13 |
VanessaE |
well I'm not greedy :P |
| 08:13 |
LazyJ |
Ahk... this is straying from Minetest stuff. My apologies. |
| 08:14 |
VanessaE |
this isn't -dev, so it's okay to go off-topic occasionally :) |
| 08:14 |
* Jordach |
dosent care if we're offtopic, human chat tends to go casual like that |
| 08:14 |
Jordach |
im an OP that doesnt give a shit about the topic, except ones that are stirring the shit tank |
| 08:15 |
LazyJ |
A co-worker and I often kvetch about not winning the lottery. Our thoughts are not to win big, just win enough. |
| 08:15 |
Taoki[mobile] |
Offtopic is prolly ok here |
| 08:15 |
VanessaE |
LazyJ: Abe and I are the same way |
| 08:16 |
Taoki[mobile] |
Juat not -dev |
| 08:16 |
Jordach |
meh, i'm inerhiting 270k from my father :P |
| 08:16 |
Jordach |
screw the lottery |
| 08:16 |
Jordach |
(in theory i *could* live off the interest) |
| 08:16 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: care to spare ~$5000 or so? I've got an eBay watch list .... ;) |
| 08:17 |
Jordach |
how about noooooo |
| 08:17 |
VanessaE |
:( |
| 08:17 |
VanessaE |
you suck :( |
| 08:17 |
LazyJ |
Heh, yeah. I'd be happy with a reliable clunker and a small house. The rest of the "million" would buy me the freedom from a timeclock for the rest of my life. |
| 08:18 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, my mother said bring me my corn flakes packet, but it's actually a box |
| 08:18 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, maybe |
| 08:18 |
* Jordach |
gives out some bitcoin |
| 08:18 |
LazyJ |
Ugh... Dear Cat is bellowing. brb |
| 08:24 |
LazyJ |
Sometimes I forget that she isn't a spry kitten any more. The vet even confirmed that Dear Cat is officially a "senior" now. Where have the years gone? |
| 08:27 |
LazyJ |
So what does this "Items definitions..." do during the loading screen? |
| 08:27 |
VanessaE |
time for me to head off to bed. |
| 08:27 |
VanessaE |
niht. |
| 08:27 |
VanessaE |
night* |
| 08:27 |
LazyJ |
G'night :) |
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PenguinDad |
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| 08:31 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 08:31 |
LazyJ |
Howdy ;) |
| 08:45 |
khor |
hi |
| 08:46 |
khor |
How to configure a remote server minetest? |
| 08:47 |
Calinou |
remote server? |
| 08:49 |
khor |
I have a ssh access to the server and I not find the file minetest.conf |
| 08:49 |
Calinou |
it's not there by default -- start the server at least once |
| 08:49 |
Calinou |
or rename minetest.conf.example to minetest.conf, edit it and uncomment the modified entries |
| 08:50 |
khor |
I have already started |
| 08:53 |
khor |
I just found "/ usr / share / doc / minetest / minetest.conf.example.gz" |
| 08:54 |
* Calinou |
facepalm |
| 08:54 |
Calinou |
khor: I hope you're not using 0.3.x |
| 08:55 |
khor |
I use 0.4.7 |
| 08:55 |
Calinou |
ah |
| 08:58 |
JamesTait |
Good morning all, happy Friday and happy One Voice Day! :-D |
| 09:02 |
Jordach |
morning JamesTait |
| 09:02 |
* Jordach |
suggests your british |
| 09:02 |
Jordach |
okay, either irish or british |
| 09:02 |
Jordach |
dunno why i typo'd |
| 09:03 |
JamesTait |
Jordach, is it the timezone? It's the timezone, isn't it? I knew it! |
| 09:03 |
JamesTait |
:-P |
| 09:03 |
Jordach |
JamesTait, haha |
| 09:03 |
* Jordach |
knows someone with the surname Tait, and his father is James |
| 09:03 |
Jordach |
i actually wtf'd on that |
| 09:03 |
JamesTait |
Shhhh! |
| 09:04 |
Jordach |
you said it in this channel before, when gassyBritish was looking for a cloak |
| 09:04 |
* JamesTait |
nods |
| 09:04 |
Jordach |
(in fact you were using your droid at the time) |
| 09:04 |
* Jordach |
doesnt even need scrollback :P |
| 09:05 |
Jordach |
btw, made a sword in blender: http://i.imgur.com/JUUbdFN.png |
| 09:06 |
JamesTait |
Funny (ish) story - just after Christmas I got an e-mail from an airline confirming my flight a couple of days later. I knew nothing of this flight, so I asked our company travel agent. |
| 09:06 |
JamesTait |
Turns out there's another James Tait working in the company and the ticket was for him. |
| 09:06 |
Jordach |
oh god theres irony |
| 09:06 |
JamesTait |
He usually goes by his middle name, Nick, so nobody noticed. |
| 09:07 |
JamesTait |
But his passport says James Nicholas Tait. |
| 09:11 |
JamesTait |
Jordach, nice weapon! :) |
| 09:12 |
Jordach |
sword how has an underside |
| 09:12 |
Jordach |
now* |
| 09:12 |
Jordach |
JamesTait, low poly model in blender |
| 09:12 |
Jordach |
~ 1 hours work |
| 09:13 |
JamesTait |
For me, ~10 hours. |
| 09:13 |
Jordach |
heh |
| 09:13 |
Calinou |
Jordach: that looks like a knife, not really a sword |
| 09:14 |
Jordach |
Calinou, it's longer in the .blend file |
| 09:14 |
Calinou |
that said, it could be used in red eclipse, given how much the sword sucks :D |
| 09:14 |
Calinou |
also, low poly :( |
| 09:14 |
Calinou |
it's 2013 |
| 09:15 |
Jordach |
the RE Sword is also low poly |
| 09:16 |
Jordach |
it's not that much different |
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| 09:28 |
MasterBot |
Hi |
| 09:28 |
MasterBot |
I have to choose between Puppy Linux (~100MB) and Porteus (~200MB) |
| 09:29 |
MasterBot |
Porteus can connect to network ,Puppy cant but puppy can make backups |
| 09:29 |
MasterBot |
Which one can support minetest Compiling? |
| 09:29 |
PenguinDad |
Both can do it. |
| 09:30 |
Calinou |
have fun getting dependencies without network |
| 09:32 |
PenguinDad |
For me network works with Puppy but... |
| 09:32 |
PenguinDad |
... only Ethernet. |
| 09:34 |
Calinou |
no firmware, yes |
| 09:34 |
Calinou |
and this is why you use *buntus or mint :P |
| 09:34 |
Calinou |
or any user friendly distro |
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| 09:37 |
MasterBot |
Puppy linux sound minstream |
| 09:37 |
MasterBot |
*mainstream |
| 09:37 |
MasterBot |
But porteus is very similar to my Lubuntu |
| 09:38 |
MasterBot |
They both can run from RAM, though |
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| 09:38 |
Calinou |
lol it isn't |
| 09:38 |
MasterBot |
How do i get both and then get an option at boot to choose? |
| 09:38 |
Calinou |
all the live distros run from RAM |
| 09:38 |
MasterBot |
For me it is, i customized it beyond repair |
| 09:39 |
MasterBot |
Okay, then i need to update lol |
| 09:41 |
MasterBot |
or i have the option to do fuck all and install Tiny Core Linux |
| 09:42 |
Jordach |
MasterBot, ArchLinux |
| 09:42 |
PenguinDad |
if want to run both on a USB stick use multisystem |
| 09:43 |
MasterBot |
Thats what i need ^^ : |
| 09:43 |
MasterBot |
:) |
| 09:43 |
Calinou |
lol harsh linux |
| 09:44 |
MasterBot |
LXDE and KDE or XFCE |
| 09:44 |
MasterBot |
Sounds like bullshit to me |
| 09:47 |
PenguinDad |
Multisystem has a very good french translation but the english is good too. ;) |
| 09:58 |
MasterBot |
Im trying Porteus XFCE |
| 09:59 |
* PenguinDad |
uses Xubuntu. |
| 10:00 |
PenguinDad |
But at the moment I'm thinking about changing to ArchLinux |
| 10:02 |
Calinou |
lel harsh linux |
| 10:02 |
Calinou |
xubuntu ftw |
| 10:05 |
RealBadAngel |
Taoki[laptop], i finally found the way to properly calculate tangent space vectors |
| 10:06 |
RealBadAngel |
i will calculate all the vectors, normal, tangent and binormal in core, they will be stored in tile itself and passed to shaders |
| 10:07 |
RealBadAngel |
normal vector was already calculated in core but wasnt passed to shaders at all, it was used just for light calculations |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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RealBadAngel |
hi PA |
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Taoki[laptop] |
RealBadAngel: Awesome. When will that be upstream? |
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Exio4 |
VanessaE: eww |
| 11:00 |
Exio4 |
[05:16:45] <VanessaE> Jordach: care to spare ~$5000 or so? I've got an eBay watch list .... ;) |
| 11:00 |
Exio4 |
i need those 5k! :P |
| 11:01 |
Calinou |
Exio4 is the G27 fanboy in our screwed up family |
| 11:02 |
Exio4 |
yeah |
| 11:02 |
Exio4 |
me wants a g27 |
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Calinou |
hi Zeg9 |
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Calinou |
lol tor :p |
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Jordach |
Calinou, where am I in the fucked up family |
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Zeg9 |
Hello |
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PenguinDad |
Hello cisoun |
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Jordach |
cisoun, get your ass working on CTP11 |
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cisoun |
I know I know :-> |
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cisoun |
I'm on holidays now. I can do that. |
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cisoun |
And I already made some new textures. |
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cisoun |
PenguinDad: hi ! |
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Jordach |
cisoun, make your texture pack a github repo |
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* Calinou |
puts their warrior baguette back in their pocket |
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Jordach |
kill the infiltrator. Zeg9 is using SASL |
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Zeg9 |
...whats the problem with sasl? |
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Exio4 |
sasl is awesome |
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Exio4 |
it doesn't leak your ip to anyone using /monitor +, but there are ways to get it |
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Exio4 |
(+ tor = l33t) |
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Exio4 |
i would use it if didn't care about latency tho |
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likes diamonds http://i.imgur.com/ZpNS2D2.png |
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Calinou |
trackmania in launch bar \o |
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bulldog98 |
hi I'm prepering a performance impovement for minetest (just rewritten for loops), and I wanted to know if I should do a commit per file or a huge commit to propose a pull request on github |
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nalkri |
You should probably ask in #minetest-dev |
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Jordach |
bulldog98, you cant talk in -dev, it requires a real IRC client |
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Jordach |
webchat users cannt speak |
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nalkri |
Oh, sorry for bad advice |
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Hello everyone! |
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bbl |
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Tiny Linux Core Plus using now |
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MasterBot |
i need help setting resolution and getting all dependencies for minetest |
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I know as far as Xorg |
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hoodedice |
Soup? |
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MasterBot |
!OldCoder! |
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OldCoder |
MasterBot, Hi |
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hoodedice |
Heya coder |
| 14:52 |
hoodedice |
*dead chat* |
| 14:52 |
Calinou |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minetest - [surprised TF2 heavy face]... I'm surprised it wasn't removed already |
| 14:55 |
hoodedice |
It is a good article. Just needs some citations |
| 14:55 |
Calinou |
it's quite worse than the old one that was removed |
| 14:55 |
hoodedice |
'Nominated for deletion' wtf? |
| 14:56 |
Peacock |
MCers gonna hate lol |
| 14:56 |
Calinou |
yeah see |
| 14:56 |
Calinou |
it is advised not to edit it with your real name 8D |
| 14:56 |
Calinou |
(or user name) |
| 14:56 |
Calinou |
Peacock: true |
| 14:56 |
Peacock |
well theyre are prolly some very pro-MC editors |
| 14:56 |
Peacock |
at least for english wiki |
| 14:56 |
Calinou |
there are |
| 14:57 |
Calinou |
it's fun, since wikipedia is supposed to be a "free" encyclopedia 8D |
| 14:57 |
Peacock |
though isnt there some mechanism to protect an article from biased editors? |
| 14:57 |
Calinou |
anyway, it's not that important to have minetest on wikipedia, but it's still good |
| 14:57 |
Calinou |
Peacock: theorically you aren't supposed to edit or create a page if you have a relation to the project |
| 14:58 |
Calinou |
but that rule is beyond stupid because there are tons of well intented editors who get their pages removed due to this... |
| 14:58 |
* Calinou |
finger faces wikipedia |
| 14:58 |
Peacock |
so how do they know the person posting the page is a dev? |
| 14:58 |
Calinou |
nicknames |
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Jordach |
btw, i might start contributing to wikipedia and then create the mt page under a different nick |
| 14:59 |
Jordach |
solves the problemn |
| 14:59 |
Jordach |
-n |
| 14:59 |
Peacock |
does the rule apply to players too, are they considered related? |
| 14:59 |
hoodedice |
What the heck That discussion is as biased as peace talks between Israel and Palestine !! |
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hoodedice |
What do those people think? |
| 15:00 |
hoodedice |
What then is a good source if it is not the main site? Blogs? |
| 15:00 |
Peacock |
israel palestine solution = build a wall around it and let them fight it out lol (hunger games?) |
| 15:01 |
Peacock |
maybe |
| 15:01 |
Peacock |
by sources they want something outside the project |
| 15:01 |
Peacock |
perhaps if someone got a few articles written about minetest |
| 15:02 |
Peacock |
that would constitute an outside source |
| 15:02 |
Peacock |
like indiegamemag |
| 15:02 |
hoodedice |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FlightGear |
| 15:02 |
hoodedice |
About five of 20 sources are from the main site |
| 15:03 |
hoodedice |
I just don't understand how 'outside sources' can be more reliable |
| 15:03 |
Peacock |
yeah but the other sources are what, fan and content sites? |
| 15:03 |
Peacock |
" the article doesn't have the significant coverage in reliable secondary sources necessary for it to pass the general notability guideline. " |
| 15:03 |
hoodedice |
You wanna know about, say Islam, you ask a Muslim, not a Christian ! |
| 15:03 |
hoodedice |
Wikipedia is crass. |
| 15:03 |
hoodedice |
-.- |
| 15:04 |
Peacock |
id say get the game covered by indie publications first, then the wiki article |
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hoodedice |
Just type minecraft alternatives |
| 15:05 |
hoodedice |
You'll get many of them |
| 15:05 |
Peacock |
on the talk page: "If you came here because http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2876, please note that this is not a majority vote, " |
| 15:05 |
Peacock |
the irony lol |
| 15:05 |
hoodedice |
I'd seen that |
| 15:05 |
Peacock |
wikipedia and devs think alike at least :p |
| 15:05 |
hoodedice |
Irony indeed |
| 15:06 |
hoodedice |
Yeah, why don't we use some 'alternatives' site for sources? |
| 15:06 |
Peacock |
because someone else has to write about minetest |
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hoodedice |
Or how about getting penguspy to write on it? |
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Peacock |
putting up our own fansite/content sites don't count since wed be considered related |
| 15:07 |
hoodedice |
Here is one, by a person NOT connected to the main site |
| 15:07 |
hoodedice |
http://download.cnet.com/Minetest/3000-20416_4-75846519.html |
| 15:08 |
Peacock |
download site |
| 15:08 |
Peacock |
you wont find a wiki article for every piece of software there :P |
| 15:09 |
hoodedice |
Yeah, but the info could be considered, right? |
| 15:09 |
Peacock |
not really |
| 15:09 |
Peacock |
since its probably one of us who put it up there lol |
| 15:09 |
rubenwardy |
See https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BbcG5Zg2bFOMTW_3EgFeIGKqvcA-Lhp-mGdDOaiQKP4/edit?usp=sharing |
| 15:09 |
hoodedice |
wut? lol |
| 15:09 |
hoodedice |
Another: http://www.squidoo.com/games-that-are-like-minecraft |
| 15:10 |
hoodedice |
Hey Rubun, Thanks bro] |
| 15:10 |
hoodedice |
*Ruben |
| 15:10 |
rubenwardy |
Wiki has been tried before |
| 15:10 |
Peacock |
mmmm, reubens' sandwich |
| 15:10 |
rubenwardy |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minetest |
| 15:11 |
Peacock |
? "And there is the question of most Minetest images being deleted for copyright violations" |
| 15:11 |
hoodedice |
Which images? |
| 15:11 |
hoodedice |
on omdlr? |
| 15:11 |
Peacock |
i dont know |
| 15:11 |
hoodedice |
LAWL ! |
| 15:11 |
hoodedice |
I guess those must be it |
| 15:11 |
rubenwardy |
they were screenshots |
| 15:11 |
Peacock |
that one caught me by surprise too |
| 15:11 |
hoodedice |
Yeah |
| 15:11 |
rubenwardy |
no copyright violations |
| 15:11 |
hoodedice |
I guess ompdlr |
| 15:11 |
rubenwardy |
no |
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rubenwardy |
wikipedia upload |
| 15:12 |
Peacock |
images are removed, but for a variety of reasons (dead host), never for copyright |
| 15:12 |
Peacock |
unless notch is doing secret DMCAs |
| 15:12 |
hoodedice |
Copyright violations of what? Minecraft? |
| 15:12 |
Peacock |
but i doubt they give a far |
| 15:12 |
hoodedice |
Another one |
| 15:12 |
Peacock |
*fark |
| 15:12 |
hoodedice |
http://itsfoss.com/minetest-free-alternative-of-minecraft-get-it-in-ubuntu/ |
| 15:12 |
hoodedice |
This one looks good |
| 15:14 |
hoodedice |
Another tiny one : http://jonnyholroyd.x10.mx/2013/05/minetest-an-open-source-minecraft-alternative/ |
| 15:14 |
hoodedice |
We'll spam wikipedia with sources :P |
| 15:15 |
nalkri |
How notable do the sources need to be? |
| 15:15 |
nalkri |
We could all blog :p |
| 15:16 |
thexyz |
just create a page in each language |
| 15:16 |
thexyz |
apart from english |
| 15:16 |
rubenwardy |
EMagazines, review sites with closed staff... |
| 15:17 |
hoodedice |
Lets not talk about making our own sources. They'll throw us out |
| 15:17 |
rubenwardy |
see Wikipedia's reliability and notibility policy |
| 15:17 |
hoodedice |
If I wanted, I could've made two or three in different languages. But we can't :/ |
| 15:18 |
nalkri |
I thought that was obviously a joke |
| 15:19 |
hoodedice |
Can't use forums either? |
| 15:20 |
hoodedice |
Minecraft forums? |
| 15:20 |
rubenwardy |
Who is Abdul Mujeeb? |
| 15:20 |
Peacock |
just bug some magazine/website editor to write an article/review about it, pretty much what they seem to want |
| 15:20 |
hoodedice |
I don't know |
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rubenwardy |
on gmail |
| 15:20 |
rubenwardy |
If anybody wants to PM their email address, I can give edit privs |
| 15:21 |
hoodedice |
This looks good |
| 15:21 |
hoodedice |
http://gameslikefinder.com/minetest/ |
| 15:21 |
marktraceur |
Blogs and forums won't work |
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rubenwardy |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28games%29 |
| 15:22 |
hoodedice |
This aint a blog |
| 15:22 |
rubenwardy |
wait |
| 15:22 |
rubenwardy |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28video_games%29 |
| 15:22 |
hoodedice |
More of a review site |
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* VanessaE |
peeks in |
| 15:22 |
marktraceur |
hoodedice: Yeah, but it's not published either |
| 15:22 |
rubenwardy |
and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28video_games%29 |
| 15:23 |
hoodedice |
Derivative games (such as ports, remakes, compilations, and expansions) may be covered in a Wikipedia article, but not necessarily in a separate article. |
| 15:23 |
marktraceur |
rubenwardy: You're posting the _same link_ |
| 15:23 |
hoodedice |
So, we file under minecraft? LAWL |
| 15:23 |
rubenwardy |
sorry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources |
| 15:23 |
marktraceur |
hoodedice: Only if you can find notability |
| 15:23 |
rubenwardy |
no |
| 15:23 |
hoodedice |
So, I'm gonna start a newspaper tomorrow. |
| 15:23 |
rubenwardy |
we are not a derivative game of minecraft |
| 15:23 |
VanessaE |
this mess again? give it up, wikipedia has become a cesspool of deletionists. |
| 15:23 |
hoodedice |
:) |
| 15:23 |
marktraceur |
VanessaE: Sure hope not |
| 15:23 |
hoodedice |
+1 Vanessa |
| 15:24 |
hoodedice |
I don't know how wikipedia Islam is still clean |
| 15:24 |
marktraceur |
hoodedice: The hard work of devoted volunteers? |
| 15:24 |
hoodedice |
After all the stuff you see about Islam on the net |
| 15:25 |
hoodedice |
How did they not call that as 'credible' (One reason could be rinted religious books) |
| 15:25 |
Peacock |
lol whats your obsession with islam? |
| 15:25 |
hoodedice |
Examle |
| 15:25 |
Peacock |
its like 2 or 3 times you mention it since i woke up :P |
| 15:25 |
hoodedice |
*Example |
| 15:25 |
Peacock |
and im only on 2nd cup of coffee |
| 15:26 |
hoodedice |
I could use Christianity, or something else. But this is the first thing that came to mind :P |
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Peacock |
it says in plain english: "nor has the game received any reviews or awards or any controversy that would make the subject notable" |
| 15:28 |
hoodedice |
Controversy? |
| 15:28 |
Peacock |
thats what i was thinking lol |
| 15:28 |
hoodedice |
See the bashing minecrafters give us ontheir damn forum |
| 15:28 |
Peacock |
of the three, we do that best :p |
| 15:28 |
hoodedice |
*elitists* |
| 15:29 |
rubenwardy |
I recommend we work on the old article here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rubenwardy/Minetest |
| 15:29 |
rubenwardy |
or in AfC |
| 15:29 |
rubenwardy |
(Articles for Creation) |
| 15:29 |
Peacock |
reading the talk page though, cant help but notice the irony of ppl who usually apply rules so strictly, try to get around them on wikipedia lol |
| 15:29 |
hoodedice |
Yeah. Ruben, we could do that |
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hoodedice |
We could fill out that article, then publish it when we get enough sources |
| 15:31 |
hoodedice |
We've had enough of bashing Minecraft |
| 15:31 |
hoodedice |
Lets all start bashing wikipedia XD |
| 15:31 |
Peacock |
"Vanessaezekowitz is a moderator and a contributor to the site and development. Celeron55 is a clear SPA (Single Purpose Account) and in addition he is the games creator and main developer. Calinou1 (On Minetest its Calinou) is a moderator and contributor to the development and site. All three users have a possible (If not obvious) COI." |
| 15:31 |
Peacock |
i think that sunk the article |
| 15:31 |
hoodedice |
Yeah, right |
| 15:32 |
VanessaE |
the article was sunk before it ever got off the docks. |
| 15:32 |
hoodedice |
People who are related will be the ones making an article |
| 15:32 |
VanessaE |
deletionists. |
| 15:32 |
Peacock |
you should never have gotten involved |
| 15:32 |
Peacock |
it is a conflict of interest |
| 15:32 |
Peacock |
being part of the management makes it look like self-promotion |
| 15:32 |
hoodedice |
You don't see, say Americans writing an article, on say, Russians. |
| 15:33 |
Peacock |
i dont think focusing on other articles is going to help |
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VanessaE |
bear in mind also, that COI arguments were ultimately tossed out, so the guy making the final decision claimed anyway |
| 15:35 |
hoodedice |
What do you mean, Vanessa? |
| 15:36 |
VanessaE |
hoodedice: look at the top of the page. " have basically ignored the discussion about conflicts of interest in my close, and focused solely on whether or not the article satisfies Wikipedia's standards for inclusion. " — Mr. Stradivarius |
| 15:36 |
VanessaE |
+"I" |
| 15:37 |
marktraceur |
Yeah, it makes sense |
| 15:37 |
VanessaE |
so if someone can find a way to make minetest famous, a new article might survive... for a week or so before being killed by another Wiki admin for some other reason. |
| 15:37 |
marktraceur |
I've talked to Wikipedians since who say the COI argument is stupid |
| 15:37 |
Calinou |
let's poke Gronkh |
| 15:37 |
marktraceur |
VanessaE: See footnote one of [[WP:Notability (Video Games)]] |
| 15:38 |
marktraceur |
Er |
| 15:38 |
marktraceur |
[[WP:Notability (games)]] |
| 15:38 |
Calinou |
O_o why did rubenwardy delete it |
| 15:38 |
Calinou |
that's a bannable offense |
| 15:38 |
marktraceur |
Calinou: The WP article? |
| 15:39 |
Calinou |
<Peacock> it says in plain english: "nor has the game received any reviews or awards or any controversy that would make the subject notable" |
| 15:39 |
Calinou |
same thing for red eclipse |
| 15:39 |
nalkri |
Controversy? |
| 15:39 |
Calinou |
yet it's on wikipedia and the article isn't even up to date (screenshots of removed maps, old font) |
| 15:39 |
nalkri |
Add puppies that can be stamped on |
| 15:39 |
Calinou |
marktraceur: yes |
| 15:39 |
sokomine |
oh, guess we can do with controversy :-) |
| 15:39 |
rubenwardy |
so is recreating an article that has been deleted, when there is no additional content |
| 15:39 |
sokomine |
awards...hm...are there any? |
| 15:39 |
hoodedice |
YES. AWESOMEST GAME WITH LEAST SOURCES AWARD |
| 15:40 |
marktraceur |
Calinou: rubenwardy is watching the page maybe, and noticed that Wikipedia wasn't helped by the recreation, so re-deleted it |
| 15:40 |
marktraceur |
Seems sane to me |
| 15:40 |
hoodedice |
MR. Stradivarius seems like a good guy to me :P |
| 15:41 |
hoodedice |
At least he shut all the fanboys :P |
| 15:41 |
rubenwardy |
If you want to rewrite the article like that, go in to history and get the old source, and then create it in YOUR USER SPACE or in ARTICLES FOR CREATION |
| 15:41 |
marktraceur |
Indeed. |
| 15:41 |
rubenwardy |
making it like that could get the name "Minetest" lockes |
| 15:41 |
rubenwardy |
*locked |
| 15:41 |
VanessaE |
sokomine: sure, softpedia gave it a "100% clean" award :P |
| 15:41 |
VanessaE |
(as in malware-clean) |
| 15:42 |
marktraceur |
Wow. |
| 15:42 |
hoodedice |
Wikipedians are watching us like the NSA |
| 15:42 |
hoodedice |
What's the difference now? |
| 15:42 |
Calinou |
wikipedians make a list of MLP characters, the NSA doesn't |
| 15:43 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 15:43 |
sokomine |
getting awards or reviews in magazines might be difficult |
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| 15:44 |
hoodedice |
rofl |
| 15:44 |
Calinou |
we're not in 2007 anymore, people forgot about the "crysis", they prefer praising 50 euro AAA games now |
| 15:44 |
hoodedice |
hmm |
| 15:44 |
sokomine |
there was at least one site that mentioned alternatives to minecraft. that was how i got to know about the game in the first place. i was looking for something that run better on my computer and that could be modified |
| 15:45 |
marktraceur |
sokomine: Probably a blog post, which isn't WP:NOTABLE |
| 15:45 |
Calinou |
some guy posted about minetest on a sauerbraten clan forum, so I tried it out |
| 15:46 |
Calinou |
we should get brad pitt or notch to say "Minetest is awesome!" |
| 15:46 |
hoodedice |
haha |
| 15:46 |
hoodedice |
I found out about minetest from..... |
| 15:46 |
hoodedice |
I think laydeb.net |
| 15:46 |
marktraceur |
Children, you're not going to produce a Wikipedia article yourselves. Wait for the coverage, then write it. |
| 15:46 |
hoodedice |
*playdeb |
| 15:46 |
Peacock |
what mark said |
| 15:46 |
hoodedice |
Agree] |
| 15:46 |
Calinou |
or we should hire people to do it for us |
| 15:47 |
* Calinou |
runs |
| 15:47 |
Peacock |
you can argue wiki's rules till the cows come home, but it might be simpler to just get the game reviewed |
| 15:47 |
Calinou |
have fun asking review sites then |
| 15:47 |
hoodedice |
What if we bug some indie reviewers to review it? |
| 15:47 |
hoodedice |
Will that be COI> |
| 15:47 |
hoodedice |
? |
| 15:47 |
Calinou |
let's bug micheal larabel to add minetest to PTS |
| 15:47 |
* Calinou |
runs again |
| 15:48 |
rubenwardy |
been there, done that |
| 15:48 |
rubenwardy |
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xBaKlMplRy-8qsPeMw4jO65nxctCeWUGa-Q0Jqx1lNk/edit?usp=sharing |
| 15:48 |
rubenwardy |
<> have fun asking review sites then |
| 15:49 |
marktraceur |
Peacock, hoodedice, Calinou, _you will not accomplish this if you try to build publicity yourselves_ |
| 15:49 |
marktraceur |
Let me make this absolutely clear |
| 15:49 |
marktraceur |
You will have a COI argument on your hands |
| 15:49 |
marktraceur |
And then the article will get deleted again |
| 15:49 |
marktraceur |
And then you'll be back to square zero. |
| 15:49 |
hoodedice |
ok mark |
| 15:50 |
Peacock |
im not trying to get MT on wikipedia, im just pointing out why the keep arguments failed |
| 15:50 |
Peacock |
all of them from devs/modders |
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VanessaE |
Peacock: who else is better qualified? |
| 15:51 |
Peacock |
unbiased third parties |
| 15:51 |
hoodedice |
Yeah, and then like what I said |
| 15:51 |
VanessaE |
if you don't know an article's subject, should you contribute to the article? |
| 15:51 |
hoodedice |
Do Hindus write on Judaism? |
| 15:51 |
hoodedice |
-.- |
| 15:51 |
VanessaE |
(not you personally of course) |
| 15:52 |
Calinou |
if you get people that have nothing to do with the game to make an article, expect 1) incorrectness 2) typos |
| 15:52 |
Calinou |
3) possible lack of images |
| 15:53 |
hoodedice |
4) Too much bias towards minecraft |
| 15:53 |
Peacock |
like i said, arguing with wikipedia about their rules is at least as pointless as the countless arguments here about licenses, the rules won't change |
| 15:53 |
Peacock |
if you can enforce rules you can follow 'em |
| 15:54 |
hoodedice |
:) |
| 15:54 |
hoodedice |
Lets all go back to our modding/engines/whatever/coffee |
| 15:54 |
Peacock |
mmm, coffee lol |
| 15:56 |
marktraceur |
VanessaE: It's fine to have people involved in the game writing the article, they just need proper evidence and references to back them up when the COI case comes a-knockin' |
| 15:57 |
VanessaE |
right |
| 15:57 |
VanessaE |
the problem today is the same as it was before - finding "reliable" sources. |
| 15:57 |
Peacock |
i dont know if http://www.indiegamemag.com/ covers free games, might be worth a shot to ask them to review MT |
| 15:58 |
VanessaE |
how is it that I personally got interviews and write-ups in paper magazines for subjects I was intimately connected with at the time, yet now as a community we can't even seem to get the same done on just a few useful websites? |
| 15:58 |
VanessaE |
(the former was years ago) |
| 15:59 |
hoodedice |
How come the german wikipedia still has a minetest page? |
| 15:59 |
Peacock |
what happens when one (anyone) asks for a review of MT? |
| 15:59 |
VanessaE |
hoodedice: because the english deletionists can't see past their lack of expertise in German to read and use the sources that that article has? |
| 16:00 |
hoodedice |
whatever |
| 16:00 |
hoodedice |
Lets just not talk about this |
| 16:00 |
hoodedice |
For all we know, any of us could be a wikipedian in disguise :O |
| 16:00 |
rubenwardy |
I never got a reply from IGN.com |
| 16:00 |
hoodedice |
:P |
| 16:00 |
VanessaE |
who cares |
| 16:01 |
rubenwardy |
or http://irc.minetest.net/minetest |
| 16:01 |
hoodedice |
Ruben; don't expect one so soon |
| 16:01 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 16:01 |
rubenwardy |
I wasnt |
| 16:01 |
rubenwardy |
I sent it in sep last yeah |
| 16:01 |
rubenwardy |
*year |
| 16:01 |
VanessaE |
(about wikipedians in disguise I mean) |
| 16:01 |
marktraceur |
hoodedice: Pretty sure it's not a great disguise |
| 16:01 |
* marktraceur |
works for the Wikimedia Foundation |
| 16:01 |
hoodedice |
Not that sort, |
| 16:02 |
hoodedice |
The sort that talks nicely with us and later pulls a COI |
| 16:03 |
hoodedice |
September, LAST YEAR? |
| 16:03 |
hoodedice |
There must be another email, then. |
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rubenwardy |
Newbie/noob Jordach! https://forum.minetest.net/search.php?action=show_user_posts&user_id=332&p=126 |
| 16:13 |
Peacock |
shiit http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/07/26/startling_images_show_melting_north_pole_turning_into_a_lake.html |
| 16:16 |
hoodedice |
BIN ME/ |
| 16:16 |
hoodedice |
? |
| 16:16 |
hoodedice |
What is that supposed to mean? |
| 16:16 |
Peacock |
i think its deletion req |
| 16:16 |
hoodedice |
oh |
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| 16:17 |
Peacock |
must be bored to be looking at 2yr+ old threads :p |
| 16:17 |
VanessaE |
bbl |
| 16:17 |
hoodedice |
@Peacock |
| 16:17 |
hoodedice |
I wanted to show my brother the north pole in google earth |
| 16:18 |
hoodedice |
And I was surprised myself to see all water there |
| 16:18 |
hoodedice |
I used to think it was all ice :/ Like Antarctica |
| 16:18 |
Peacock |
i cant wait to see if we find the ruins of atlantis on antartica |
| 16:19 |
Peacock |
*antarctica |
| 16:19 |
Peacock |
wtv lol |
| 16:20 |
NakedFury |
that would be awesome |
| 16:21 |
hoodedice |
yawn |
| 16:21 |
Peacock |
heck the vikings colonized north america, greenland and iceland before the mini-ice age of the medieval period, wouldn't surprise me |
| 16:21 |
hoodedice |
All I did today was rant about wikipedia and wrote just three lines of code :/ |
| 16:21 |
hoodedice |
Later. |
| 16:21 |
Peacock |
IRC has that effect :p |
| 16:22 |
hoodedice |
Next time, I'll do the coding first, then IRC |
| 16:22 |
hoodedice |
:) |
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BlockMen |
hi |
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Peacock |
howdy |
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OldCoder |
Does MT server listen on all IP addresses? I am reviving my MT worlds today. Fiddling with ports. |
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OldCoder |
Does anybody present recall the answer? |
| 17:35 |
OldCoder |
PilzAdam, be useful: |
| 17:35 |
OldCoder |
Does MT server listen on all IP addresses? I am reviving my MT worlds today. Fiddling with ports. |
| 17:35 |
Peacock |
i dont understand the q |
| 17:35 |
OldCoder |
Peacock, it is O.K. Some of the others will. |
| 17:36 |
Peacock |
do you mean ports? |
| 17:36 |
OldCoder |
No; IP addresses |
| 17:36 |
OldCoder |
I am debugging a ports issue |
| 17:36 |
OldCoder |
And must be certain of IP address issues |
| 17:36 |
Peacock |
im probably misunderstanding, but i thought servers had one IP |
| 17:36 |
hdastwb |
why would you have more than one IP address? |
| 17:36 |
OldCoder |
Peacock, hdastwb because servers can have many IP addresses |
| 17:36 |
OldCoder |
For example |
| 17:37 |
PilzAdam |
OldCoder, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/801 |
| 17:37 |
OldCoder |
Localhost is 127.0.0.1 and there may be a separate WAN address. PilzAdam I will review. |
| 17:37 |
PilzAdam |
its currently not possible |
| 17:37 |
nalkri |
I often have three IPs |
| 17:37 |
Peacock |
oh, lol yeah i have lan, wan and modem adresses lol |
| 17:38 |
nalkri |
WiFi, Ethernet, USB, loopback |
| 17:38 |
nalkri |
So four but I don't count the loopback |
| 17:38 |
Peacock |
me neither |
| 17:38 |
Peacock |
networking hasn't got easier over the years lol |
| 17:38 |
nalkri |
Yes it has |
| 17:39 |
nalkri |
If nothing else, we don't need crossover cables any more |
| 17:39 |
Peacock |
meh, to me every new solution presents more problems |
| 17:39 |
nalkri |
And widespread WiFi is a boon |
| 17:39 |
Peacock |
wifi def made things easier |
| 17:39 |
Peacock |
i have a box full of CAT5's lol |
| 17:39 |
nalkri |
I remember the olden days when LAN gaming involved stringing cables between windows |
| 17:40 |
Peacock |
90's LAN parties lol |
| 17:40 |
Peacock |
when everyone brought the white-turned-yellow box lol |
| 17:40 |
Peacock |
*their |
| 17:40 |
OldCoder |
PilzAdam, actually it is good; looks like it listens on all addresses. That is what I needed to know. |
| 17:41 |
nalkri |
And crossover cables for when there weren't enough ports on one hub |
| 17:42 |
nalkri |
Though I ended up with some rackmount switches an office was throwing out |
| 17:42 |
* OldCoder |
and the other engineers cobbled together a DOS LAN around 1993 for Doom |
| 17:42 |
nalkri |
Weighed more than my PC... |
| 17:42 |
* OldCoder |
is resting and will return later |
| 17:42 |
nalkri |
rest well |
| 17:42 |
OldCoder |
o/ |
| 17:43 |
Peacock |
OT, but whats a good (not hog) file explorer with slideshow? thunar thumbnails are pretty small at max |
| 17:43 |
nalkri |
Emacs |
| 17:43 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 17:43 |
nalkri |
Except for the not hog bit |
| 17:43 |
Peacock |
i dont feel like changing distros this weekend :p |
| 17:44 |
Peacock |
i know nautilus does it, but it comes with so many friggin packages now |
| 17:44 |
nalkri |
I quite liked Konqueror a few years back |
| 17:44 |
nalkri |
But gods alone know what deps it has now |
| 17:45 |
Peacock |
let's say a prayer for our dearly departed KISS lol |
| 17:45 |
nalkri |
We need to destroy applications |
| 17:45 |
Peacock |
locking on with phoutahn torpedos |
| 17:45 |
nalkri |
I will now engage in my "you're doing it wrong" software rant for the next three hours |
| 17:45 |
nalkri |
Poutine torpedos? |
| 17:45 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 17:46 |
Peacock |
in Quebec they keep pronouncing Putin as Poutine, it drives me nuts lol |
| 17:46 |
nalkri |
Pretty sure he's not food |
| 17:46 |
Peacock |
seriously lol |
| 17:46 |
Peacock |
youre not sposed to translate a proper name like that tho? |
| 17:47 |
nalkri |
You're not, but I'm English |
| 17:47 |
nalkri |
So I can't complain |
| 17:47 |
nalkri |
On a related note, "poutine" is cheesy chips with gravy and should be refered to as such |
| 17:47 |
Peacock |
the French use more anglicismes than Quebeckers, even though we're surrounded by english lol |
| 17:47 |
Peacock |
i know, it comes from here :p |
| 17:48 |
nalkri |
Well, we can buy cheesy chips with gravy at any chippy or kebab van :p |
| 17:48 |
Peacock |
no kebab vans here tho |
| 17:48 |
nalkri |
Probably lucky |
| 17:49 |
Peacock |
they banned mobile food trucks in the 60s, too unsanitary apparently |
| 17:49 |
Peacock |
heck even bricks and mortar restaurants aren't terribly sanitary |
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[0gb_us] |
Hello! |
| 18:37 |
PenguinDad |
Hi [0gb_us] |
| 18:37 |
[0gb_us] |
VanessaE, you said you use the latest version of Ubuntu? |
| 18:38 |
[0gb_us] |
Actually, does anyone here use Ubuntu 13.04? We're checking for a glitch. |
| 18:38 |
hdastwb |
I do |
| 18:39 |
[0gb_us] |
Can you try printing a web page in Firefox to a file please? Try to save it to anywhere but your home directory. |
| 18:40 |
PenguinDad |
I do use it, too. |
| 18:40 |
[0gb_us] |
If the glitch is in 13.04, it will print it to your home directory even if you tell it to print it elsewhere. |
| 18:42 |
PenguinDad |
Works for me. |
| 18:42 |
[0gb_us] |
Prints to the correct directory? |
| 18:42 |
hdastwb |
confirmed; I usually CUPS-PDF for file printing, though, so I have never tried that before |
| 18:42 |
hdastwb |
it does not print to the correct directory for me |
| 18:42 |
[0gb_us] |
Okay. Thanks! |
| 18:43 |
PenguinDad |
But I use Firefox Nightly. ;) |
| 18:44 |
hdastwb |
ah; I have Firefox stable (22.0) |
| 18:44 |
PenguinDad |
Maybe it's a bug of the packaged Version. |
| 18:45 |
[0gb_us] |
THat explains the difference. Thanks PenguinDad and hdastwb! |
| 18:45 |
hdastwb |
you're welcome! |
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Megaf |
!up megaf.no-ip.info |
| 18:56 |
MinetestBot |
megaf.no-ip.info:30000 seems to be down |
| 18:56 |
Megaf |
!up megaf.no-ip.info 30001 |
| 18:56 |
MinetestBot |
megaf.no-ip.info:30001 seems to be down |
| 18:57 |
nalkri |
I want air pressure |
| 18:57 |
* nalkri |
may be insane |
| 18:57 |
Megaf |
are you a girl? |
| 18:57 |
nalkri |
Not to the best of my knowledge |
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Megaf |
so I cant give you anything |
| 18:57 |
nalkri |
But pressure simulation in minetest is probably impossible |
| 18:58 |
Megaf |
unless you implement the whole thing in lua |
| 18:58 |
Megaf |
atmosphere and stuff |
| 18:59 |
nalkri |
It'd murder the server |
| 18:59 |
nalkri |
It already murders SS13, which is 2d |
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[0gb_us] |
Has anyone seen ShadowNinja over the past couple days? |
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Megaf |
man, are players just waiting everysecond to my server to be on? I leave my server down for an hour or so, then I turn it on again and at the very same second players starts to enter |
| 19:00 |
[0gb_us] |
Yes, people love your world. |
| 19:01 |
Megaf |
non of my players are here tho |
| 19:01 |
Megaf |
IRC is not very well known now a days |
| 19:02 |
[0gb_us] |
They love your world but hat IRC. |
| 19:02 |
[0gb_us] |
*hate |
| 19:02 |
Megaf |
indeed |
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nalkri |
Your world has hats? |
| 19:03 |
Megaf |
heh |
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[0gb_us] |
I don't know if my world has hats. I haven't been there in a very long time. Though it didn't last I checked. |
| 19:08 |
Megaf |
load_mod_bones = false |
| 19:08 |
Megaf |
why this doesnt work? |
| 19:08 |
Megaf |
the bones mod still loading |
| 19:08 |
[0gb_us] |
Is bones in the game directory or in the "mods" directory? |
| 19:09 |
[0gb_us] |
You can't disable it if it is in the game directory. |
| 19:09 |
[0gb_us] |
(I think.) |
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PenguinDad |
Is there a method to check which resolution a texture has? |
| 19:16 |
[0gb_us] |
I don't think there is. |
| 19:16 |
[0gb_us] |
You might be able to use os.execute() in some way to do that. |
| 19:16 |
[0gb_us] |
Never mind, that won't work. |
| 19:17 |
[0gb_us] |
You'd need a method of finding the path to the texture to make that possible. |
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hdastwb |
and if someone has a client-side texture pack, textures might be impossible to measure from the server |
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Jordach |
sfan5, you about |
| 19:29 |
* Jordach |
wants a word |
| 19:29 |
Jordach |
hey [0gb_us] what brings you here |
| 19:29 |
[0gb_us] |
I needed to find people who use Ubuntu 13.04 to test a bug for someone on another channel. |
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[0gb_us] |
I think Vanessa does, so I came here. |
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Calinou |
xubuntu 13.04 here |
| 19:48 |
PenguinDad |
me too |
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Jordach |
lol, buntu |
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[0gb_us] |
Actually, the user having an issue was using Xunbuntu 13.04, but as the issue is in Xubuntu's Firefox, which is the same in Ubuntu, I said Ubuntu instead. |
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DanDuncombe |
Could someone pastebin the code for an am to spawn a sphere with an radius of 50 |
| 20:06 |
DanDuncombe |
*abm |
| 20:07 |
PenguinDad |
//sphere 50 something <- WorldEdit |
| 20:08 |
DanDuncombe |
I need an abm |
| 20:09 |
DanDuncombe |
I can't use a worldedit command every time my bomb detonates |
| 20:09 |
Calinou |
find a way to call it through an ABM? (is that possible? :P) |
| 20:09 |
Calinou |
bombs usually don't make perfect spheres and treat stone as more resistant than dirt... |
| 20:09 |
DanDuncombe |
Just spawn a big sphere of some sort, like the nuke mod. |
| 20:09 |
DanDuncombe |
It doesn't have to be perfect, just ~50 nodes diameter |
| 20:10 |
Calinou |
it will be a perfect sphere :P |
| 20:10 |
DanDuncombe |
I don'tmind |
| 20:11 |
DanDuncombe |
Please can someone do it? |
| 20:12 |
DanDuncombe |
Can it also spawn a 'mushroom cloud' of fire? |
| 20:12 |
DanDuncombe |
And injure people... |
| 20:14 |
nalkri |
And induce mutagenesis |
| 20:15 |
DanDuncombe |
No.Just death. |
| 20:16 |
nalkri |
Aww :( |
| 20:16 |
DanDuncombe |
It is for the zombie game. |
| 20:16 |
DanDuncombe |
It is so you can make big holes. |
| 20:16 |
nalkri |
Mutagenesis is where zombies come from :D |
| 20:16 |
DanDuncombe |
It won't hurt zombies. |
| 20:17 |
DanDuncombe |
Maybe... if zombies in range could change into giant zombies, which are already in the game. |
| 20:17 |
DanDuncombe |
Is anyone actually doing it? |
| 20:17 |
nalkri |
I wouldn't know where to start, I'm trying to figure out making books work |
| 20:18 |
DanDuncombe |
CAn someone please do it? |
| 20:18 |
DanDuncombe |
I amin a hurry |
| 20:18 |
Calinou |
we're not your salves |
| 20:18 |
DanDuncombe |
*am in |
| 20:18 |
Calinou |
slaves* :P |
| 20:18 |
nalkri |
Or salves |
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DanDuncombe |
Please can someone help. I don't know where to start or end. |
| 20:18 |
DanDuncombe |
Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease. |
| 20:20 |
DanDuncombe |
I just need a big explosion. |
| 20:20 |
DanDuncombe |
P |
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DanDuncombe |
L |
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DanDuncombe |
E |
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DanDuncombe |
A |
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DanDuncombe |
S |
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DanDuncombe |
E |
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DanDuncombe |
Come on, please someone! |
| 20:21 |
nalkri |
Please stop that |
| 20:21 |
DanDuncombe |
KK |
| 20:21 |
nalkri |
You're going to guarantee that nobody helps aside from anything else |
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DanDuncombe |
Oops. |
| 20:23 |
DanDuncombe |
Okay, maybe I will do something else. Instead of an explosion maybe it will just make player into zombies. |
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nalkri |
Oh, does anyone know if inventory objects can open dialogues? |
| 20:23 |
nalkri |
So I can decide whether or not to bother with my book idea |
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Nick__ |
can somebody help me with a possible bug? |
| 20:45 |
Nick__ |
It's an unhandled exception: could not save env meta |
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Nick__ |
it happens about every 35 mins but can happen within seconds of map load |
| 20:47 |
sfan5 |
Nick__: have you searched the forum? |
| 20:47 |
sfan5 |
IIRC we had this.. |
| 20:47 |
Nick__ |
yes but it keeps occuring |
| 20:48 |
Nick__ |
hold on 1 sec |
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Nick__ |
i cant find any results that pertain to the error |
| 20:51 |
Kacey |
omg a 6yo is arguing with me about minetest |
| 20:51 |
marktraceur |
Why? |
| 20:51 |
Kacey |
saying that there is different types of water |
| 20:52 |
Nick__ |
lol |
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Kacey |
and that doors will let water through |
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marktraceur |
Kacey: Do you want *help* debating a 6 year old? |
| 20:52 |
Kacey |
no |
| 20:52 |
marktraceur |
Because I'm pretty sure that you can demonstrate the falsehood of both. Really easily |
| 20:52 |
marktraceur |
. |
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Nick__ |
doors even while open in minetest wont let water through |
| 20:53 |
Nick__ |
lol |
| 20:53 |
Kacey |
he wont let me marktraceur |
| 20:53 |
Nick__ |
cold shoulder maybe? |
| 20:53 |
marktraceur |
Kacey: Then it's not a debate, it's him proselytizing. Use the word proselytizing, even incorrectly, that oughta shut him up. |
| 20:54 |
Kacey |
naww i will just let him play and learn |
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Nick__ |
sfan i cant find anything |
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Kacey |
i showed him what i built all alone because he is complaining that his house will take forever to build |
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Nick__ |
gtg |
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DanDuncombe |
Is there a function for when you die, an entity is spawned at your old position? |
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PilzAdam |
!dev register_on_dieplayer |
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MinetestBot |
"minetest.register_on_dieplayer(function(player)) [edit] Description player — ObjectRef Called when a player dies." - http://dev.minetest.net/register_on_dieplayer |
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Kacey |
check the bones mod |
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DanDuncombe |
Thanks |
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DanDuncombe |
What is the entity bit? Something like minetest.add_entity(zombies:wraith) |
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Peacock |
look at mob code |
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DanDuncombe |
Okay |
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Peacock |
if your mod already adds zombies, its the same function |
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DanDuncombe |
This won't work: minetest.register_on_dieplayer(function(player) minetest.add_entity(pos, name) end) |
| 21:17 |
DanDuncombe |
It is in three lines |
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DanDuncombe |
minetest.register_on_dieplayer(function(player) |
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DanDuncombe |
minetest.add_entity(pos, name) |
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DanDuncombe |
end) |
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DanDuncombe |
With correct indents |
| 21:17 |
DanDuncombe |
Crashes when you die. |
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Peacock |
where is your pos coming from? |
| 21:18 |
DanDuncombe |
I don't know |
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Peacock |
pos should be player:getpos() |
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DanDuncombe |
Where to add? |
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Peacock |
where you put pos |
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DanDuncombe |
Okay. Will try. |
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DanDuncombe |
Okay.Now it tries to add a 'singleplayer' entity |
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Peacock |
whats the error message? |
| 21:20 |
DanDuncombe |
No error, just an unknown 'singleplayer' entity |
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DanDuncombe |
Do I need to say which entity to add? |
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Peacock |
yeah |
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Shadow |
Hello, anyone there? |
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DanDuncombe |
Hi |
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PilzAdam |
Shadow, no |
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Peacock |
yourmod:zombie usually |
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Peacock |
lol |
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DanDuncombe |
In "" marks |
| 21:21 |
Peacock |
we left ten minutes ago |
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Guest6549 |
Is there any mod for rain in Minetest? |
| 21:22 |
Peacock |
jeija's weather |
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Peacock |
dunno if prollers' weather is in git yet |
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Guest6549 |
Link? |
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nalkri |
Is there any mod for books in minetest? |
| 21:22 |
Peacock |
forum search |
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Guest6549 |
Ok. |
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Peacock |
brb cigarette lol |
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Guest6549 |
Thanks. |
| 21:22 |
DanDuncombe |
IT WORKS! Thanks guys |
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Calinou |
smoking kills, Peacock |
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Calinou |
night now :P |
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DanDuncombe |
With 'spawn_inverse_chance = 300,' Will the zombie be rarer if the number is higher or lower? |
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Peacock |
people's lazyness will drive me to suicide lol |
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DanDuncombe |
Please? |
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Peacock |
dont know |
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DanDuncombe |
PilzAdam may knwo. |
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DanDuncombe |
*know |
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PilzAdam |
DanDuncombe, higher |
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Guest6549 |
Where am I supposed to install the mod> |
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DanDuncombe_ |
Higher is rarer. |
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DanDuncombe |
Menche, there is an update to Zombies Game. |
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DanDuncombe |
PilzAdam, my zombie game uses (I think) Modified code from your Simplemobs. If so,what lines can I change to make them jump higher,both normally and when chasing you? |
| 21:41 |
PilzAdam |
search for a setvelocity() call that gives vertical speed |
| 21:42 |
DanDuncombe |
Thanks. |
| 21:42 |
DanDuncombe |
Vertical speed would be something like VY, or what? |
| 21:45 |
DanDuncombe |
PilzAdam: I have tried changing a coupleof v.y values, but they don't seem to affect it. Help? |
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DanDuncombe |
PilzAdam: Don't worry, figured it out :) |
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DanDuncombe |
PilzAdam: Do your mobs suffer from fall damage? |
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PilzAdam |
yes |
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DanDuncombe |
Okay. Thanks :) Simplemobs is great |
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DanDuncombe |
PilzAdam: I assume the usage of a modified zombies mod based on Simplemobs is legal? |
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DanDuncombe |
Menche: Another update to zombies. |
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DanDuncombe |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=102246#p102246 Who else wouldlike? |
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DanDuncombe |
Is there any kind of /delete entity zombies:zombie, to remove one kind of entity |
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DanDuncombe |
Whenever I git commit, there is almost always at leats two more thumbs.db. Why? |
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DanDuncombe |
*least |
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sweminetest |
Is there any minetest server that got an official mumble server? |
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Peacock |
finally finished with the shields :) noodletime |
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Peacock |
hey rba |
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marktraceur |
Peacock: IRC lesson of the day: Type "Real", then press the tab key. |
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Jordach |
marktraceur, ha |
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Peacock |
meh, he's prolly just tired so i dont want to bug him :P |
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marktraceur |
That's a risk he takes when he signs into IRC. |
| 23:03 |
Peacock |
god knows i fall asleep at the keyboard sometimes lol |
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marktraceur |
If he doesn't want to be bothered he can turn off notifications or not sign in. |
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Jordach |
-RealBadAngel- TIME Sat Jul 27 01:03:38 |
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marktraceur |
That doesn't necessarily mean anything |
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marktraceur |
Plus there's no harm in pinging someone who's not at their keyboard and alert |
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marktraceur |
Worst case scenario they don't get the message |
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Peacock |
no rush :) |
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sweminetest |
So of minetest fans, what do you like best? Mumble or Teamspeak? |
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Peacock |
ugh, voice chat lol |
| 23:10 |
Peacock |
at least with text chat, you can ignore lol |
| 23:11 |
Jordach |
Peacock, muting minetest through the mixer ;) |
| 23:11 |
Jordach |
or mumble |
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Jordach |
or x app |
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Peacock |
hopefully thatll never be part of minetest :p |
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NekoGloop |
meow |
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* Jordach |
pets NekoGloop |
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* NekoGloop |
purrs |
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Peacock |
pretty sure i just got a bunch of mexican griefers posing as regulars on my server lol |
| 23:30 |
Peacock |
http://familyguycutaways.com/images/Pictures_Online/Family%20Guy%20GI%20Jose.gif |
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Jordach |
haha |
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Peacock |
seriously why do they keep trying to turn spawn into mexico? i want it to be nice |
| 23:33 |
Peacock |
theres crap all over the place to clean up again |
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PilzAdam |
you imply that mexico is not nice |
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sokomine |
what's that got to do with mexico? that country may look great in parts i think |
| 23:34 |
Peacock |
ive been, have you? |
| 23:34 |
sokomine |
your server isn't the only one that suffers from chaotic spawn. happens quite frequently. do build some roads to get started. that helps to some degree |
| 23:35 |
Peacock |
so ppl can dig them up? |
| 23:36 |
Peacock |
im already coming up with another autoban script for random placement of stuff |
| 23:36 |
sokomine |
if you don't protect them, they may. but without protection and interact for everyone, it's difficult to get spawn into a good stage |
| 23:36 |
Peacock |
protection is a drag on the server, though i may start revoking interac for news |
| 23:36 |
Peacock |
*newbs |
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sokomine |
people may even build ugly cobble huts and consider them as the epithome of architecture |
| 23:37 |
sokomine |
not too good either. people coming in and beeing able to build immediately are more likely to stay |
| 23:37 |
Jordach |
Peacock, whats your address |
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sokomine |
perhaps the opposite around? small area where newbies can build something on their own if they wish? |
| 23:37 |
Peacock |
yeah but protection is too hands on, you have to create zones for everyone |
| 23:37 |
Peacock |
and protection blocks can be abused |
| 23:38 |
Peacock |
jordach: startest on public list, dont know today's IP |
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Jordach |
Peacock, shadowninja has an areas mod where the admin defines areas with worldedit and sets them |
| 23:39 |
Peacock |
you do realize the more zones you setup the more checks and calculations are done each time something is dug/placed |
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sokomine |
i've changed the wazuclan/linuxgaming-permafy-mod as well so that that uses worldedit-position if those are set for the player issuing the command. that's practical |
| 23:40 |
kahrl |
should be roughly O(log n) checks if it is implemented well |
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Jordach |
Peacock, joining your server as Jordach |
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Peacock |
got sokomine2 and pilzadam on too |
| 23:41 |
sokomine |
wish redcrab would show up and share his mod. that self-protection method of his is quite good. node_ownership needs some more work though; especially setting of the areas via worldedit/markers |
| 23:41 |
sokomine |
ah, yes, i'm sokomine2. for some reason i didn't get in with the password i set |
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PilzAdam |
Peacock, the turrets are way too close to the spawn |
| 23:43 |
Peacock |
just disabled them |
| 23:43 |
Peacock |
one of those idiots placed them there |
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sweminetest |
then I guess its a total coincidence that I found a server that has a mumble server as their official one. K |
| 23:46 |
hdastwb |
the (former) zombie apocalypse server is getting pretty lagged; it doesn't seem to want to let me on at the moment… |
| 23:48 |
PilzAdam |
Peacock, I have to say that turrets are a really bad way to protect buildings |
| 23:48 |
Peacock |
well ppl can't get close lol |
| 23:49 |
Peacock |
prob is every server that runs protection still gets griefed |
| 23:49 |
Peacock |
dont need false sense of security |
| 23:53 |
sokomine |
protected buildings are usually safe :-) |
| 23:54 |
Peacock |
originally i wanted to spawn new players on another realm |
| 23:54 |
Peacock |
and take the good builders to earth |
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sokomine |
yes...only that the good builders may not stay in the first place |
| 23:55 |
Peacock |
land is land and the inv is the same |
| 23:57 |
hdastwb |
has anyone ever run a server with hud installed before? |
| 23:58 |
hdastwb |
it just hit Rancon's Skyblock server, and ever since I've been getting a ridiculous amount of lag |
| 23:58 |
Peacock |
isnt hud on all 0.4.7's? |
| 23:58 |
hdastwb |
the hud mod, with hunger |
| 23:59 |
Peacock |
oh |
| 23:59 |
Peacock |
thought you just mean <hud> |
| 23:59 |
Peacock |
*meant |
| 23:59 |
hdastwb |
I could probably have phrased that better… |
