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00:00 DanDuncombe https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4877 The mod page
00:00 sokomine a travelnet-box. they look like an old german telephone-booth and allow you to teleport to a list of targets
00:01 sea-theorem Is there any way to calculate how far below the surface I am?
00:01 sea-theorem Is there even a notion of 'surface'?
00:01 VanessaE actually american telephone booths used to look similar, too
00:01 sokomine press f5
00:01 DanDuncombe Yes, press f5
00:02 sokomine second coordinate is depth/height
00:02 DanDuncombe And is the 'y' value
00:02 sokomine 0 may be considered the surface. unless there's a hill or mountain there :-)
00:03 sea-theorem Hmm, -7.5, okay, this doesn't help though. What's the scale?
00:03 sea-theorem How many blocks per unit in the coordinates?
00:04 Exio4 1
00:04 sea-theorem Then I should be pretty near to the surface! I dig upwards!
00:04 DanDuncombe so -7.5 means your are 7.5 nodes below sea level
00:05 DanDuncombe Soyou are probably more like 30 nodes below ground.
00:05 sea-theorem Ah, and my final pick is about to give out, I ran out of torches ages ago. I'm going to die. I'm buried alive.
00:06 Exio4 DanDuncombe: uhmm
00:07 sea-theorem Woohoo, the surface! I'm alive! and it's night-time outside, fascinating.
00:08 Exio4 haha
00:16 sea-theorem I'm impressed by the scale of the things here. There's a mountain or something that's more than 100 units wide
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00:28 bas080 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/Screenshots/screenshot_149694384.png
00:28 sea-theorem The game seems to have generated here what looks very much like a fjord
00:31 bas080 dwFirst thing i made is a password secured door with luacontroller, lcd screen and keyboard
00:31 bas080 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/Screenshots/screenshot_149898461.png
00:32 sokomine you might also use my shared locked doors from my locks mod. they support passwords :-) (but i suppose doing it with a luacontroller was more fun)
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00:34 bas080 sokomine, it was and now we all have a new digiline device. Just have to get it pulled to digilines, that might take a while.
00:35 sokomine ah, fine. have to look into digiline eventually. that mod does sound very intresting. normal mesecons is too low-level for me (usually don't want to build with it)
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00:42 Arkmabat Could I use the latter code to make a magic beanstalk?
00:42 Arkmabat Ladder I mean
00:44 Arkmabat I think it would be cool to have magic beans that grow a beanstalk, sort of like a nether portal but into a cloud world
00:46 Kacey that would be...
00:46 bas080 https://github.com/bas080/minetest-mod-digilines
00:47 bas080 Arkmabat, have you watched a certain movie recently?
00:47 Arkmabat I work at a daycare...
00:48 Arkmabat :D
00:49 Arkmabat Could I mod a ladder to look like a beanstalk
00:51 bas080 yes
00:51 bas080 you can Arkmabat
00:52 bas080 I'm sure your creative having to handle all those children
00:53 Arkmabat No no no.jack and the beanstalk is a classic
00:55 sea-theorem sokomine: So, I've built a castle in the middle of a fjord surrounded by mountains and forests. Now what? It would be nice to have some animals or things running around, the world doesn't seem to change unless I ask it to
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01:30 JesseH Can someone point me in the direction of a good server? :-)
01:30 VanessaE sure, play on mine :D
01:30 Pentium44 hehe
01:30 Pentium44 haha
01:30 JesseH Pentium44, sup
01:31 Pentium44 JesseH Mine
01:31 Pentium44 play on mine :p
01:31 JesseH You have one?
01:31 Pentium44 yes
01:31 Pentium44 just to lazy to host it lol
01:31 JesseH Oh sick I can test meh mods on your server now >:)
01:31 JesseH host foo
01:31 VanessaE JesseH: vanessae.mine.bz:30000 (you need a git build no older than July 20)
01:31 Pentium44 hehe
01:31 JesseH so much work D:
01:32 bas080 JesseH, VanessaE's server is a very extensive one. You can do allot especially because it's creative
01:32 JesseH VanessaE, You got mods and such?
01:32 JesseH Ah I see
01:32 bas080 Many mod!
01:32 JesseH Let me build and ill be on in a minute
01:32 VanessaE do I have mods.
01:32 VanessaE hoo boy
01:33 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4057
01:33 VanessaE see for yourself ;)
01:33 Pentium44 lol
01:33 Pentium44 I have played on Vanessa's Server
01:33 Pentium44 holy damn
01:34 Pentium44 talk about a long first load :D
01:34 JesseH better than minecraft would you say? :P
01:34 JesseH oh nvm :P
01:34 JesseH i have slow internet
01:34 Pentium44 Jesseh speed?
01:34 Pentium44 I can tell you about how long it would take
01:35 Pentium44 it takes about 5 minutes on my speed
01:35 Pentium44 160 kbps
01:35 bas080 JesseH, good question! Yes it's better!
01:35 Pentium44 haha YES
01:36 JesseH i get like 80kbs
01:36 bas080 I haven't been on servers for a while. Checking out VanessaE's server
01:36 bas080 media...
01:37 JesseH I keep trying to get into minetest but it is normally not a very enjoyable experience.
01:37 JesseH I would complain about it but then the trolls would be unleashed :P
01:37 JesseH "ITS BETTER THAN MINECRAFT C++ YES JAVA BOO"
01:38 JesseH "YOU CAN MOD IT WITH Lua AS A MATTER OF FACT I JUST LEARNDED HTML AND I WANTS TO MOD AND Lua IS COOL
01:38 * JesseH might have just offended someone. Sorry
01:38 Pentium44 YOU OFFENDED ME
01:38 Pentium44 jk jk
01:38 bas080 JesseH, do you want to mod?
01:39 Pentium44 JesseH can mod
01:39 Pentium44 he is a lua type person
01:39 bas080 you can complain but you can also change the things that you complain about. It's harder but in the end satisfactory
01:39 JesseH bas080, That is a very good point
01:40 JesseH Honestly though, my only complaints was that on the couple servers I tried I was lagging, and it was just, ... hmm not sure how to explain
01:40 JesseH It gave me that "ouch this game is so laggy" feeling
01:40 bas080 just saying, if you really like games... why not
01:40 bas080 yeah
01:40 bas080 i get your point... in that case you should consult your ISP :P
01:41 bas080 or home network
01:41 bas080 or both!
01:41 JesseH hmm, perhaps I should call and ask why we pay 80 dollars a month and get shit internet :P
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01:42 bas080 JesseH, Maybe it can help
01:43 bas080 But i would first make sure the home network is as best as can be before you start pointing the finger
01:43 PilzAdam bye
01:46 JesseH o/
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02:15 sokomine sea-theorem: install mobf and disable the hostile animals :-)
02:15 sokomine then you can have sheep, deer, cows, ostrichs, fishes, chickens, seagulls etc. roam around your world
02:16 sokomine you can even catch them with a lasso and place them where you want to have them
02:16 sokomine and breeding is possible as well. it's a very nice mod for singleplayer
02:19 sokomine jesseh: which country/continent do you live in? perhaps it will help if you pick a server not on the other side of the world
02:21 sea-theorem sokomine: What I'd like is an animal that alters the world
02:21 sea-theorem Say, a sheep that digs and builds things, and so on
02:21 sea-theorem Anyway, I'm looking into the rules of various things that I've found. Water is counter-intuitive
02:22 sokomine hmm. sheep are not known for altering the world. except through overgrazing in the long term
02:23 sokomine perhaps you'd like my random_buildings mod. that has lumberjacks that spawn with their houses. they don't alter the world either - they just have their houses, stand there and wait for you to trade wood
02:24 sokomine there are also several naturre-related mods that alter the world to some degree, depending on what you want
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02:25 sokomine there's 4seasons (turns the world into autum, with leaves and grass becomming more colorful, and then winter, and then spring and summer); or the bees and candles mod that adds beehives
02:25 sokomine or, another direction: metor impacts, landslides, vulcanoes
02:26 sokomine though you probably won't want them in your building world
02:26 sokomine farming and farming_plus are also nice to have
02:26 sea-theorem I'm experimenting with building a computer now, that seems to be the fashionable thing to do in mine* games.
02:27 sokomine ah, mesecons. yes, that's popular as well
02:27 sokomine carts also exists
02:27 sea-theorem I'm using lava and bricks
02:27 sea-theorem I suspect that the lava is turing universal
02:28 sea-theorem 'cobblestone' bricks, specifically
02:28 sokomine lava :-( don't like that much
02:28 sea-theorem I could try water, but it acts in such a strange, counter-intuitive way
02:29 sea-theorem I tried to drain an ocean and ended up filling a cave with a trickle of water, it was bizarre
02:32 sea-theorem I have a nand gate! :3
02:36 sea-theorem Is there any way to make lava flow /uphill/ by any chance?
02:40 hdastwb pipeworks?
02:45 VanessaE pipeworks should be able to move lava, as nodes/items via nodebreakers/deployers
02:45 VanessaE never tried it though
02:45 VanessaE bbl
02:47 hdastwb I read water into that question for some reason…
02:57 sea-theorem minetest is horrible at liquids, they don't act like liquids at all
02:58 sea-theorem The lava stops flowing and just sits there with a slanted surface. Water does the same thing
02:58 sokomine hm, that's something one might expect to hear from a player that calls himshelf sea-theorem :-)
02:58 sokomine you can change the behaviour of some liquits from finite to non finite, but i havn't experimented with it yet
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04:29 jojoa1997 Yo
04:31 Pentium44 Yo yo
04:38 sokomine anyone there?
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04:42 jojoa1997 I am
04:42 jojoa1997 Test
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05:04 PenguinDad Hi meldrian.
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05:05 meldrian hellow
05:11 Peacock lets see griefers get past this [img]http://s12.postimg.org/7tlt8nnwd/screenshot_149751802.jpg[/img]
05:11 Peacock oups lol
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05:12 OldCoder VanessaE, Hi
05:12 OldCoder VanessaE, PM
05:13 Peacock AM actually on east coast :p
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05:27 khonkhortisan what's that pointy thing?
05:28 Peacock the spindly pointy thing?
05:29 Peacock should be a base though it's only got a shaft/ladder right now
05:29 khonkhortisan looks like it belongs in space
05:29 Peacock does kinda look like a cylon basestar lol
05:30 khonkhortisan yeah
05:30 Peacock it was that or a squircle lol
05:39 OldCoder Peacock, true but context matters
05:39 OldCoder Pentium44, hey
05:39 * OldCoder is asleep Zzz
05:39 OldCoder Oh and tell Pilzadam this:
05:39 OldCoder
05:39 OldCoder ^ paragraph separator :P
05:43 Pentium44 hehe
05:43 Pentium44 OldCoder hi
05:49 OldCoder
05:53 Peacock tell him what? lol
05:54 Peacock anyways, i read the 'slots' thread in general, and i thought, "does this guy ever get layed?" :p
05:55 Peacock momma always said, if you ain't got anything nice to say...:-)
06:03 leo_rockway https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6657 <--- this thread made me laugh.
06:04 leo_rockway I'm pretty sure the guy doesn't know what he did
06:04 Peacock i cant tell of the OP is being serious in his replies lol
06:06 leo_rockway somebody linked him to some sort of guide in another thread. I think the guide uses Hamachi or something similar...
06:06 leo_rockway I'm pretty sure he's just very confused and he actually thinks localhost is his public IP.
06:07 Peacock he wouldn't be the first lol
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06:10 Peacock i thought of a way of dealing with griefers: i dl'ed a bunch of hi-freq sounds, played to the griefer directly, on gain=15 hehe
06:11 Peacock it can reduce a grown man to tears lol
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06:12 leo_rockway I didn't think I'd have to deal with griefers on my obscure server... but apparently a server where no more than a person connects at a time still attracts idiots.
06:12 leo_rockway I disabled default interact.
06:13 Peacock i dont like doing that because then you have to aprove everyone
06:13 Peacock and the griefers still grief afterwards lol
06:13 Peacock but if you blow their eardrums/speakers, i doubt they'd come back as Guest ####
06:14 leo_rockway nobody has really asked interact since. I'm not very popular o.o
06:14 leo_rockway it's supposed to be mostly Spanish speaking people, but there are like 3 or 4 players.
06:14 Peacock i get a lot of spanish/portuguese too
06:14 Peacock i can only sortof understand but i can't answer them
06:15 leo_rockway perhaps if I make it show up in the list of public servers... but this server really can't scale much more
06:15 leo_rockway so if 25 people decided to join, it would collapse
06:15 Peacock how many mods?
06:15 leo_rockway many o.o
06:15 Peacock im on public and i get max 6 people
06:15 Peacock and of those 6, 2 will get banned for fucking around lol
06:16 leo_rockway I have like 20 mods. IDK how many still apply, though. I hadn't been updating the server in months and I finally did that a few days ago...
06:16 leo_rockway but some of those mods are now in main, like farming.
06:16 Peacock thats actually not so bad
06:16 Peacock i know people, black jesus they get alot of shit running lol
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06:17 Peacock course we got heatwaves here so i gotta keep the load reasonable on the CPUs
06:18 Peacock plus i dont got money coming out of my ass for RAM and parts
06:19 leo_rockway this server is my friend's. He does get free parts mostly. His dad works for companies that sometimes get rid of hardware.
06:19 Peacock the parts must be 1 or 2 years old though?
06:22 leo_rockway yes
06:22 leo_rockway it's good enough for what we use it for o.o
06:23 Peacock yeah i mean some people run servers off laptops
06:23 leo_rockway I have MT, he has MC. We have XMPP, 3 low traffic blogs, etherpad, ethercalc, owncloud, friendica, pump.io, status.net...
06:23 leo_rockway pretty much everything except email, because it's dynamic IP.
06:24 Peacock jesus lol
06:25 Peacock i try to stick to 1 server per box, regardless of what kind
06:25 Pentium44 damn :p
06:25 Pentium44 i thought I was bad when it comes to running a lot of stuff
06:26 leo_rockway Pentium44: none of it has a lot of traffic, though. It's mostly just a group of 3 people.
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06:34 Peacock rba and taoki, time to get happy hour started :D
06:34 RealBadAngel hi
06:35 Peacock howdy
06:35 RealBadAngel what happy hour?
06:35 Peacock lol just kidding, way past hours here
06:38 Pentium44 ahh
06:39 Pentium44 leo_rockway I see
06:39 Pentium44 I normally host like 4 minetest servers and put a load like hell on processors :0
06:39 Pentium44 ;)
06:42 Peacock why do people use chests on creative servers? *memeface*
06:43 Peacock its not like anyone has any reason to steal their shit lol
06:48 RealBadAngel there are folks that play survival on such servers
06:48 RealBadAngel they just dont use free stuff option
06:49 Peacock even without a craft grid?
06:49 Peacock (or crafts for that matter)
06:50 RealBadAngel ? hows crafting related to creative?
06:51 Peacock well if they dont use the free stuff, they must be crafting?
06:51 RealBadAngel ofc
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07:03 GNADev|zRokh aye doods <:)
07:03 GNADev|zRokh how ya guys been?
07:04 Peacock are you one of the hookers we ordered?
07:04 Peacock take off your top
07:04 GNADev|zRokh shut up or i will ask for a kick!
07:04 GNADev|zRokh it is NOT funny!
07:04 GNADev|zRokh At all
07:04 Peacock lol
07:05 Peacock go 'head im off to bed :p
07:05 GNADev|zRokh no srsly dood, grow up
07:05 GNADev|zRokh k bye
07:06 Peacock lighten up or gtfo the internet :p
07:06 GNADev|zRokh aye VanessaE
07:06 GNADev|zRokh .-.
07:06 GNADev|zRokh how ya been
07:08 GNADev|zRokh anybody?
07:10 GNADev|zRokh hi MinetestBot
07:10 MinetestBot sup GNADev|zRokh
07:10 GNADev|zRokh nuff'n much... how about you, MinetestBot?
07:10 GNADev|zRokh .-.
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07:15 GNADev|zRokh aye khor
07:15 GNADev|zRokh how ya been
07:15 GNADev|zRokh biggums .-.
07:17 khor it's a joke?
07:20 GNADev|zRokh nah dood!
07:20 GNADev|zRokh dunz ya know what biggums is?
07:20 GNADev|zRokh biggums == friend
07:20 GNADev|zRokh dood == dude
07:20 GNADev|zRokh aye == hey
07:21 GNADev|zRokh i speak in Bacca
07:21 GNADev|zRokh .-.
07:21 GNADev|zRokh Exio4
07:21 GNADev|zRokh are you a boy or a girkl .-.
07:21 GNADev|zRokh girl*
07:22 GNADev|zRokh i bet your a boy .-.
07:22 GNADev|zRokh i need to know because idk what to put you as on the forum :D
07:22 GNADev|zRokh "... Exio4, when he..." thats what i will have for now :D
07:26 GNADev|zRokh khor did you see what i wrote?
07:30 khor yes, I'm a boy!
07:31 khor I'm fine
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07:39 GNADev|zRokh aye dood, ya wanna have a Fast-Code Competition?
07:39 GNADev|zRokh .-.
07:39 GNADev|zRokh khor
07:39 GNADev|zRokh jin_xi
07:40 GNADev|zRokh ya wanna join?
07:43 GNADev|zRokh khor and jin_xi
07:43 GNADev|zRokh ya wanna join?
07:43 GNADev|zRokh http://gnadev.hj.cx/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=2&amp;sid=c38d2ae8ccb7f09ed7b1ffb2892f9600
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08:06 GNADev|zRokh hi nalkri
08:06 GNADev|zRokh you wanna do a fast-code competition?
08:06 nalkri Good morning comrade GNADev|zRokh
08:06 nalkri I don't know, what would be the terms of such a duel?
08:07 GNADev|zRokh http://gnadev.hj.cx/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=2&amp;sid=c38d2ae8ccb7f09ed7b1ffb2892f9600
08:07 GNADev|zRokh one
08:07 GNADev|zRokh step
08:07 GNADev|zRokh ahead
08:07 nalkri That's the metaterms :p
08:07 nalkri That's the terms for defining valid terms for the contest
08:07 nalkri And to be honest, I need coffee before I touch code
08:08 GNADev|zRokh ok dood :D
08:08 GNADev|zRokh but what if we do something simple?
08:08 GNADev|zRokh .-.
08:08 nalkri I'm not a hacker mate
08:08 GNADev|zRokh :D
08:08 nalkri I'm at best a dilitante
08:09 GNADev|zRokh define: dilitante
08:09 nalkri And I really do need coffee, BRB
08:09 GNADev|zRokh k dood :D
08:09 nalkri Someone who dips into a field(or many fields)
08:09 nalkri But never gets real expertise
08:10 GNADev|zRokh oh ok
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08:35 PenguinDad GNADev|zRokh: maybe proller is interested.
08:36 GNADev|zRokh proller
08:36 GNADev|zRokh where are you?
08:36 GNADev|zRokh .-.
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08:42 GNADev|zRokh oh forget it...gonna play some MC :D
08:42 GNADev|zRokh plz dunz tell MT that im having an affair...
08:42 GNADev|zRokh o.o
08:42 GNADev|zRokh k bye
08:43 proller moo
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08:44 reactor Hey.
08:44 reactor Has anyone built minetest for system-side installation?
08:45 reactor I think it's broken.
08:45 Calinou I never do
08:46 reactor Despite -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0, it builds with sharedir and other things as ".."
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08:49 JamesTait Good morning all, happy Sweet Child O' Mine Day! :-D
08:49 reactor ?
08:50 reactor Mowing.
08:51 JamesTait daysoftheyear.com has Hot Dog Day, which I thought was rubbish, so I trawled the archives and apparently Guns 'n' Roses launched Sweet Child O' Mine on this day in 1988.
08:51 reactor Oh.
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09:05 JamesTait reactor, this has been debated to death elsewhere, so take it with a pinch of salt.
09:06 JamesTait reactor, I thought since it's on the internet it must be true. Right? ;)
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09:07 reactor Which one?
09:09 Calinou "I thought since it's on the internet it must be true." if only
09:09 reactor You confuse the hell out of me.
09:10 Calinou we're all linux users here
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09:12 RealBadAngel tell that to nekogloop ;)
09:12 Zeg9 Hello !
09:13 Calinou hi
09:14 * john_minetest puts Tootsie Flute on Calinou's head
09:14 reactor Are all depends required for linking, or just for runtime?
09:14 * Calinou throws Tootsie Flute on reactor's head
09:15 * reactor sparks
09:15 reactor Error rading /dev/ra1a: drive offline.
09:15 reactor s/rad/read/
09:16 reactor Not Windows.
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09:16 reactor Mk.
09:16 MasterBot hello
09:16 reactor yes, but are these runtime or build depends?
09:17 MasterBot I am going to finish the hotel i started as soon as i've scanned in the plans
09:17 MasterBot Anyone with me?
09:17 reactor Hotel Polissya, Pripyat?
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09:18 reactor I've done its external view a long ago, in Minecraft.
09:19 reactor By the way. Is worldedit functional enough now?
09:19 MasterBot Yep
09:19 * john_minetest is in 3 IRC networks on 4 channels.
09:20 Calinou 6 networks 41 channels
09:20 reactor Good.
09:20 Zeg9 How can one upload to "modpictures" (for mmdb)?
09:20 reactor john_minetest: so, can it be used for in-game map development now?
09:21 Calinou it's more functional than BSD
09:21 * Calinou runs
09:21 * reactor sticks a fork into Calinou's head
09:21 reactor john_minetest: at least drawing buildings efficiently
09:21 reactor john_minetest: I haven't seen landscaping in Minecraft's WE .
09:22 reactor john_minetest: I wonder what can do the landscaping, though.
09:22 reactor Also, I don't remember who wrote the script for converting minecraft maps into schemes.
09:22 reactor One of the coordinates is reversed.
09:22 reactor good
09:23 reactor Is there a workaround for the problem?
09:23 reactor not worledit
09:24 reactor the filter for mcedit that makes worledit schemes
09:26 reactor Even on the screenshot.
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09:26 GNADev|zRokh aye doods
09:26 GNADev|zRokh im back
09:26 reactor Notice the building before the converting, and after pasting it.
09:26 GNADev|zRokh 1.6.2 is downloading...
09:26 Calinou we know you're ragnar, GNADev|zRokh
09:26 reactor Has someone cracked 1.6.2 yet?
09:27 Calinou >minecraft >not being h4xored
09:27 reactor s/someone/anyone/
09:27 GNADev|zRokh i know you know that
09:27 GNADev|zRokh hi yeah!
09:28 GNADev|zRokh reactor, Minecraft 1.6.2
09:28 reactor GNADev|zRokh: I know, I know.
09:28 reactor Has anyone cracked it?
09:28 GNADev|zRokh what do you mean?
09:28 GNADev|zRokh i have an account
09:28 GNADev|zRokh .-.
09:28 GNADev|zRokh i mean my FRIEND has an account :D
09:29 reactor Aight.
09:29 GNADev|zRokh he started it, kinda...
09:29 Calinou john_minetest: everypony*
09:29 GNADev|zRokh but sorry, blame it on me!
09:29 Calinou lol asking in #minecraft about that
09:29 GNADev|zRokh <3
09:29 GNADev|zRokh OMG
09:29 GNADev|zRokh 1.6.2 is done
09:29 GNADev|zRokh wait...
09:29 GNADev|zRokh reactor, PM?
09:30 reactor GNADev|zRokh: that's enough for me to know, thank you.
09:31 GNADev|zRokh bye biggums :D
09:31 GNADev|zRokh see ya today OR in a week :D
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09:40 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
09:40 Calinou hi
09:41 reactor hell.o
09:41 MasterBot Hello PilzAdam!
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09:59 RealBadAngel hi
10:11 PilzAdam john_minetest, I got KSP running on Linux :D
10:11 Calinou isn't it native?
10:11 PilzAdam yes
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10:12 Calinou then it's easy
10:12 Calinou also got dota 2 working under linux, it's just a matter of "install" and "run" :p
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10:34 MasterBot I got minetest running on linux
10:36 MasterBot Anyone here in England who saw the storm?
10:37 nalkri Not I
10:37 nalkri More's the pity, I could do with some rain
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10:57 Zeg9 damn PLC
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11:01 pandaro hi RealBadAngel
11:01 pandaro i have a little question about facedir
11:01 pandaro http://pastebin.com/gwXi34fy
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11:01 reactor CUSTOM_SHAREDIR doesn't work.
11:02 reactor Anyone interested in becoming a NetBSD package maintainer? Because I think it's beyond my knowledge to handle it.
11:02 RealBadAngel pandaro, later, im leaving off to work now
11:02 RealBadAngel i will be back in 9 hours
11:02 pandaro no problem
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11:19 VanessaE good morning all
11:20 Calinou hi
11:20 PilzAdam john_minetest, I dont plan to buy it
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11:21 PilzAdam I just returned from a perfect orbit at 1000km
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11:28 PilzAdam I already watched another one
11:28 PilzAdam currently I watch one that explains how to get on the mon
11:38 Calinou john_minetest: PilzAdam: wolfgame? :p
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11:49 PenguinDad When does thexyz come back?
11:49 Calinou when half life 3 is released, PenguinDad
11:52 PenguinDad that don't help me because I don't know anything about this game
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12:00 nalkri Real Soon Noowâ„¢
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12:04 PenguinDad !c 42*-1 / (e^(i*Pi))
12:04 MinetestBot 42
12:04 nalkri Is MinetestBot a phenny?
12:05 MinetestBot Sorry, no result.
12:06 nalkri !c the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything
12:06 MinetestBot 42
12:06 nalkri Gotta get the quote right :p
12:06 PenguinDad !c the answer to the life, the universe and everything
12:06 MinetestBot Sorry, no result.
12:06 nalkri The point is that the question is unknown
12:07 nalkri And indeed cannot be known now that the answer is
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12:29 PenguinDad ping : thexyz
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12:34 thexyz shitnode
12:36 Calinou !title
12:36 MinetestBot Calinou: Chris Hadfield and Barenaked Ladies: I.S.S. (Is Somebody Singing) - YouTube
12:37 * Calinou brohooves MinetestBot
12:39 PenguinDad thexyz: I need to talk with you.
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13:10 jojoa1997 hello
13:11 VanessaE hi
13:12 jojoa1997 why was jordan banned
13:12 VanessaE ask him
13:12 jojoa1997 -.-\
13:13 jojoa1997 VanessaE have you ever thought of hosting a survival server?
13:13 VanessaE every so often but I prefer creative.
13:14 jojoa1997 what about hosting 2 servers or no?
13:14 VanessaE no
13:14 VanessaE don't have the resources for that
13:16 jojoa1997 do you know what the *CDP, *_D_, *__P, __DP means on the server list
13:16 VanessaE not sure
13:16 VanessaE Creative, Damage, not sure what the P is
13:17 MasterBot PvP
13:18 Calinou *password required, Creative, Damage, PvP
13:18 Calinou password required means empty passwords are disallowed
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13:24 MasterBot Does anyone know a web-based web-browser?
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13:37 GassyBritish Derp
13:37 GassyBritish Hi
13:41 jojoa1997 ello
13:41 jojoa1997 \bbl
13:41 jojoa1997 vvl
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13:51 Kacey bbl
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13:52 MasterBot Hi
13:52 NyanNyanCat99878 Hi
13:53 NyanNyanCat99878 Where can i get minetest?
13:53 NyanNyanCat99878 i look on minetest.net and it look good
13:53 nalkri NyanNyanCat99878: http://minetest.net/download
13:53 NyanNyanCat99878 Thank you
13:55 NyanNyanCat99878 I have LynxOS
13:55 nalkri I've not heard of anyone using Minetest on LynxOS
13:55 NyanNyanCat99878 well i intend to
13:56 nalkri I'm just saying I can't advise
13:56 NyanNyanCat99878 Would it be better if i switch to KolibriOS ?
13:57 nalkri I don't know that
13:57 Exio4 try to get irrlicht workin'
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13:59 NyanNyanCat99878 ...
14:00 NyanNyanCat99879 ...
14:00 MasterBot This is might peculiar
14:00 MasterBot *mighty
14:00 MasterBot I am going to try and instal KolibriOS -- It looks nice :)
14:05 thexyz john_minetest: that's not ddos
14:06 thexyz 14:21  -kloeri- (~kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri) [Server Notice] Hi all. Hobana.freenode.net is moving to new hardware roughly 30 minutes from now so there's going to be a brief outage while we shuffle things around. Reconnecting  to chat.freenode.net will make sure you don't get hit by the outage. Thank you for using freenode.
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14:58 Jordach i have an even bigger monitor now :)
14:58 Jordach 21"
14:58 Jordach instead of 19"
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15:14 rubenwardy Hi all
15:15 arsdragonfly hi
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15:20 rubenwardy_ !seen kaeza
15:20 MinetestBot rubenwardy_: Sorry, I haven't seen kaeza around.
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15:25 rubenwardy Can someone check to see if cmake works in linux? https://github.com/rubenwardy/The-NodeBox-Generator
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15:32 Jordach nalkri, hexchat was having random crashes
15:32 Jordach it was caused by a strange resolution: 16:10
15:32 nalkri Ah
15:32 rubenwardy Can someone check to see if cmake works in linux? https://github.com/rubenwardy/The-NodeBox-Generator
15:32 nalkri Sorry, my answer seemed amusing to you and I hoped it was to you too
15:33 Jordach which since i got an even bigger monitor, hexchat is more crashy
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15:38 BrandonReese rubenwardy, cmake seemed to run fine, but it wouldn't compile
15:39 rubenwardy ?
15:39 rubenwardy What does it say?
15:40 BrandonReese oops closed the terminal let me do it again
15:43 sudi rubenwardy: what is that programm doing?
15:43 rubenwardy It is a nodebox editor
15:43 rubenwardy Just did a massive release
15:43 rubenwardy 2 weeks of work
15:44 sudi not really sure what a nodebox is
15:45 BrandonReese http://pastebin.com/iAy6YfDu
15:45 BrandonReese rubenwardy - compile error ^ maybe I'm doing something wrong...
15:46 rubenwardy interesting
15:46 rubenwardy I will have to go into linux to fix it myself
15:46 sea-theorem What's that?
15:47 sudi rubenwardy: oh wow
15:47 sudi that is really bad what you are doing there
15:47 sudi dont call another constructor
15:47 sudi use a init method
15:47 rubenwardy yeah
15:48 sudi that should fix the error btw
15:48 rubenwardy I meant to change that
15:48 sudi in linux
15:48 sudi besides in the destructor
15:48 sudi why are you not using some kind of smart pointer
15:49 sudi if you are deleting the nodes anyway
15:49 sudi besides that having direct access to a pointer array
15:49 sudi from outside of the class when the class should manage the memory
15:50 sudi interesting choice
15:51 rubenwardy ?
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15:52 rubenwardy is it
15:52 rubenwardy Project(io::path file)
15:52 rubenwardy :Project()
15:52 rubenwardy or
15:52 rubenwardy Project(io::path file)
15:52 rubenwardy :Project::Project()
15:53 sea-theorem I got it to compile
15:53 sudi both is bad
15:53 sudi don't do that
15:53 sudi ....
15:53 sudi what you could do
15:53 sudi new(this) Project();
15:53 sudi but thats bad as well
15:53 sudi ^^
15:53 sea-theorem god sudi, leave them alone. Write your own code
15:55 sudi rubenwardy: or if you use c++11 you can use the init list.
15:55 sudi Project(path file) : Project() {}
15:56 rubenwardy <rubenwardy> Project(io::path file)
15:56 rubenwardy <rubenwardy>  :Project()
15:56 rubenwardy which is what I said
15:56 sudi ok if that is what it meant
15:56 sudi then yes
15:57 Exio4 does anyone know a realistic driving game?
15:58 sudi sea-theorem: what
15:58 Exio4 :( i guess no
15:58 nalkri If you want realistic, look for sims not games
15:58 NakedFury Exio4: http://www.moddb.com/games/traction-wars
15:59 Exio4 i don't really want to kill people in a game, for first time
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16:00 Exio4 hi Calinou
16:00 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=101653#p101653
16:00 Calinou hi
16:00 Calinou "Because of the amount of changes I have made, I have skipped a few versions." you should work at mozilla :P
16:01 rubenwardy lol
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16:04 Peacock ?? 08:02:50: ERROR[main]: WARNING: updateListener: invalid value
16:05 Peacock position said : inf, 12,-250K lol
16:11 sea-theorem Hmm, there's a problem here.
16:11 sea-theorem I think that the rabbit is about to do something very silly
16:12 Peacock the weirdest bug yet, debugs' just as helpful lol
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16:19 Jordach rubenwardy, http://i.imgur.com/Hst4Ilg.png
16:20 Calinou this bug was brought to you by: nvidia
16:20 * Calinou runs
16:20 rubenwardy because it is a cg build
16:20 Calinou talking about that, OpenGL 4.4 was released yesterday, and nvidia already supports it in a beta driver. :D
16:20 Peacock how does that happen?
16:20 Calinou and AMD just started doing 3.3
16:20 Calinou 4.3*
16:21 Peacock ill check that out when i switch this box to CB
16:21 Peacock though this never used to happen with 0.4.4 or 0.4.5
16:21 Jordach rubenwardy, not everyone is opengl 4.4
16:21 Calinou that had nothing to do with your problem Jordach
16:21 Calinou I was just saying ;)
16:23 Jordach rubenwardy, why are you using fucking CG
16:23 rubenwardy I built irrlicht with CG shader support, and I forget to use standard irrlicht for the nb generator
16:23 Calinou Jordach: you should have been playing StuntRally before 2.1 :P
16:24 Jordach rubenwardy, make a vm or some shit for taht
16:24 Jordach that*
16:24 rubenwardy vm?
16:24 rubenwardy what do you mean VM?
16:25 Jordach virtual machine
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16:25 rubenwardy yeah, i know
16:25 rubenwardy but why?
16:25 Jordach always make builds in virtual machines
16:25 rubenwardy why?
16:25 Jordach because everything is usually at default settings
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16:26 MasterBot Hello
16:26 MasterBot I am running OpenBox And it is AWESOME
16:26 MasterBot I have a monitor to my left with the server console
16:27 Jordach Jordach.notification_global("Please use a real IRC client dumbass."),
16:27 MasterBot 86.142.63.71:30000
16:27 MasterBot Mark.KissMyAss
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16:28 Jordach MasterBot, i can !kick and !ban now
16:30 Jordach !op
16:30 MasterBot So?
16:31 MasterBot You cant kick someone just because you dislike them and in know you are going to do !kick MasterBot Yes i can! now
16:31 Jordach I'm very strict
16:31 Jordach and nope.avi, as that's a waste of key cycles
16:31 Jordach unless you have *actually done an offence* then youre usually fine
16:32 MasterBot I have not offended you as a person, just ran a command :P
16:32 MasterBot And to a non-programmer i insulted myself
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16:58 bulldog98 hi guys
16:58 Peacock howdy
16:58 hdastwb hello
16:59 bulldog98 is there a way to dig a hole and make jumpable so that you don’t die from jumping into it? (eg put a water source at the bottem)
16:59 Calinou well you just said it
16:59 hdastwb if you will it with enough water or ladders, it will stop your fall
16:59 Calinou water, ladders, or putting a slab at bottom and holding Sneak key
17:00 bulldog98 a ok is there a formular for how many nodes water I need?
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17:00 Calinou not really
17:00 hdastwb *fill
17:00 bulldog98 hm
17:01 bulldog98 ok I’ll test the slab
17:04 bas080 When will this topic be removed? I'm reporting it as offensive overall
17:04 bas080 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=101547#p101547
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17:07 hdastwb I think PilzAdam should have just asked a moderator to move it to modding general, rather than harassing the poster about putting it in the wrong section
17:07 Calinou why do things well and silently when you can yell about a problem that is solved in less than a minute?
17:07 Calinou (inb4 that's what she said)
17:08 MasterBot lol serves you right PilzAdam
17:08 bas080 Maybe make a category called "drama"
17:09 bas080 so people can talk about emotions and personal experiences
17:10 Calinou bas080: just call it "/b/"
17:10 Calinou works too
17:10 hdastwb they can move the distro wars in there as well
17:10 bulldog98 Calinou: cool with the slab it works thanks :)
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17:37 Jordach i just played tetris with a rock band guitar
17:37 Jordach your turn bitches.
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17:38 Peacock we built a giant wall to keep bitches out, top that lol
17:38 Jordach bitches = pimps
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17:38 Jordach pimps = clothing purchases
17:38 Jordach and cars
17:38 Yepoleb i watched a youtube video with my eyes
17:39 Peacock well our wall's got guard towers, turrets and proximity detectors :p
17:39 Yepoleb your turn, Jordach
17:39 Jordach Yepoleb, //pos1, //pos2, //set air
17:39 Jordach bitch.
17:40 Yepoleb /replace Jordach air
17:40 Peacock lol
17:40 Yepoleb bitch.
17:40 Peacock he got you there jordach
17:42 Jordach Peacock, Yepoleb: /set default_privs = all
17:42 Jordach then let anyone join
17:42 Peacock are you nuts? lol
17:43 Yepoleb why should i do that?
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18:12 Peacock pistons what mod is that in?
18:16 Peacock forum search: mesecons, thats pretty heavy
18:16 Peacock realms is slowing my server down already :/
18:16 Peacock speaking of which, where's jeija?
18:18 Calinou jeija never had a server, no?
18:18 Peacock im not asking about his server, just him :P
18:19 Peacock no posts no pulls in awhile
18:19 Peacock particlespawners are pretty cool, was looking forward to the next thing (whatever it may be)
18:25 hdastwb I would use ghoststone over pistons; they can cover a wider area…
18:25 Peacock was thinking of the new mines mod actually, that looks cool
18:25 Peacock i got dragon's teeth on my server already
18:25 Peacock brb
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18:31 Jordach Peacock, Yepoleb: configured the guitar to work with my DAW
18:33 Jordach (Digital Audio Workstation btw)
18:33 Exio4 !deop Jordach
18:34 Exio4 the reason for the op is? :>
18:34 Exio4 btw, is anyone here having a lot of money and doesn't know where put it? i always accept gifts :D
18:34 Calinou buy a quadro K6000, Exio4
18:34 Jordach !deop
18:34 Calinou http://www.hardware.fr/news/13253/nvidia-quadro-k6000-gk110-complet-12-go.html (french)
18:34 Calinou :>
18:34 Jordach !voice Exio4
18:34 Jordach there
18:34 Exio4 <3
18:36 Jordach i also have a companion cube on this desk now
18:36 nalkri Is it a geared Companion Cube?
18:36 Jordach weighted
18:37 nalkri Could be both with a bit of design effort
18:39 Jordach nalkri, it's a papercraft one
18:39 Jordach been sitting on my school desk for 4 years, came home as im leaving my current school this year as im going to college next year :P
18:40 Jordach it now sits under my monitor
18:40 Jordach happily
18:40 nalkri Ah, that's cool :)
18:40 nalkri I was thinking of 3d printing
18:41 Exio4 3d print a mese pick!
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18:41 Exio4 http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/product/g27-racing-wheel
18:41 Exio4 i should close that link ;_;
18:45 * Jordach jizzes
18:45 nalkri I need a left handed joystick
18:45 nalkri The modern Cyborg is right handed :(
18:46 nalkri Stupid handed interface devices :(
18:48 leo_rockway they never really make left handed devices. Either neutral or right handed.
18:49 nalkri The old Cyborg was unhanded
18:49 nalkri You could set it up for any hand you had to hand
18:49 leo_rockway I just use neutral stuff
18:50 leo_rockway I never really looked for any left handed stuff. They are probably way more expensive.
18:50 thexyz https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=92666#p92666
18:51 Jordach > edited by tinoesroho 05-06-2025 5:10:15 am)
18:52 Jordach seems legit.
18:58 Exio4 only-in-minetest
18:58 Exio4 where the time i cuestioned!
18:59 Exio4 is *
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19:21 Peacock can we share banlists on server threads?
19:21 Calinou no
19:21 Calinou way too easy to abuse
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19:22 Peacock thats what i figured :p
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19:25 Peacock anyways its as long as my arm :/
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19:41 jojoa1997 hello!
19:41 Calinou hi tablet user :)
19:42 Jordach looks like jojoa1997 needs his medas
19:42 Jordach -a
19:42 jojoa1997 meds?
19:43 * Calinou ubercharges jojoa1997
19:43 jojoa1997 why
19:43 Calinou because
19:45 jojoa1997 why? are you saying i am dependent on meds? cause im not.
19:46 Jordach the meds in question is called minetest
19:46 Peacock minetest is the addiction, not the medication lol
19:47 jojoa1997 yah and also i dont need minetest
19:47 jojoa1997 im not addicted
19:47 * jojoa1997 relizes that is what all addicts say
19:47 jojoa1997 but if you wanna know i am watching youtube and playing my 3ds
19:48 Peacock i do, i made "head" ore, everytime i find one, my wife has to...
19:48 Calinou downvote for using consoles
19:50 Yepoleb hi calinou
19:51 Calinou hi
19:53 jojoa1997 so quiet..
19:53 jojoa1997
19:53 Jordach jojoa1997, please dont do the extra newline for no reason
19:54 jojoa1997 :)
19:54 Peacock anyone know the max length of ingame chat message so i can code some msg splitting?
19:54 jojoa1997 simple type 123456789123...
19:54 jojoa1997 and count
19:54 Peacock that stops working when you get to ten
19:54 jojoa1997 no
19:54 jojoa1997 123456789123456789
19:54 Peacock 10 is two characters
19:55 jojoa1997 you count all the groups of 10 0-9
19:55 jojoa1997 please look closely
19:55 jojoa1997 0123456789_0123456789 without the _
19:55 Peacock quicker if i check chat.cpp lol
19:57 Peacock well, it's an s32
19:57 Peacock whatever that is lol
19:57 * Peacock keeps looking
19:58 Exio4 signed 32 bit integer
19:58 Exio4 signed means one bit is used for the sign so
19:59 Exio4 !calc 2^31
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19:59 MinetestBot 2 147 483 648
19:59 Peacock not 2 bil characters tho
20:00 Exio4 i just got an extreme lagspike with huge messages on screen that were about 5000 chars iirc
20:00 Peacock i wish
20:00 Exio4 maybe more, maybe less, never checked the exact number
20:00 Peacock whenever i type something that goes for two lines i segfault
20:00 Calinou lots of chars tend to slow down, especially with freetype
20:00 Calinou Peacock, long chat messages cause segfault, known bug
20:00 Exio4 not in the console, just when having them "on screen"
20:01 Calinou yes
20:01 Exio4 anyone has a backtrace of that bug?
20:01 Peacock so i should override the chat command in builtin and split messages up into chunks of N characters
20:01 Peacock must solve for N lol
20:01 Exio4 are you sure it is a problem in that "side"?
20:01 Peacock i ain't got anything :( debug just gives me 'break" or something like that
20:01 Peacock naw its not a problem in builtin but i can workaround in builtin at least
20:02 Exio4 bt full
20:02 Exio4 Peacock: i mean, server-side? couldn't be the problem sending it?
20:02 Exio4 and local messages are actually predicted, so..
20:02 Peacock uhm, not sure :/
20:02 Peacock it crashes right when i press enter
20:02 Peacock terminal gives 'segfault' nothing else
20:03 Exio4 do you see the local message before?
20:03 Peacock may or may not be related: it only happens to the computer running the server, other players dont have any trouble
20:03 Peacock nope chat msg does not appear in terminal
20:05 Exio4 :o only 50 seconds to recompile MT
20:05 Exio4 52*
20:06 Peacock not bad
20:06 Peacock on the P4 i could make dinner while it compiles lol
20:06 Peacock you must have, 2-3 cores?
20:07 Calinou Exio4, 52 seconds? O_o
20:07 Peacock i think in the meantime ill just write a help mod that picks up on keywords and has the server answer common questions
20:07 khor !c 2^64
20:07 MinetestBot 1.84467441 × 10^(19)
20:08 Exio4 Calinou: yeah,
20:08 Exio4 Peacock: "6" cores, bulldozer 6100
20:08 khor !c 10/0
20:08 MinetestBot Sorry, no result.
20:08 Peacock 10/0 = 0 i think?
20:08 khor math error
20:08 Peacock galc says inf
20:08 Exio4 lim(10/0) tends to +inf
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20:09 Exio4 i can't reproduce the bug Peacock
20:09 Peacock and you just compiled from latest git? ill have to try on that one then
20:10 Exio4 yes, latest git without freetype nor curl enabled, just because i had that :P
20:10 Peacock you think freetype might be causing it?
20:11 Exio4 no idea
20:11 Calinou it happens with both, iirc
20:11 * Peacock checks builtin
20:13 Peacock ok i could use minetest.register_on_chat_message to break messages up
20:14 Exio4 i wonder why is https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/468 still open?
20:14 Peacock tho i think the 2nd and + slices would appear to come from server
20:15 Exio4 the problem won't get fixed by that though
20:15 Exio4 the chat is predicted and then sent, iirc, if your problem happens before the prediction..
20:16 Peacock no but ittl prevent my public server from crashing every time i try to help someone lol
20:16 Peacock you lost me at prediction lol
20:16 Calinou --Peacock on QuakeWorld
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20:17 Exio4 lol
20:25 Peacock dont play FPS's - tedious games lol
20:26 Exio4 FPS's
20:26 Exio4 what is that
20:26 Peacock first person shooters
20:27 Exio4 i mean the 's
20:27 Peacock unless quakeworld is some online quaker community
20:27 Peacock plural
20:27 Calinou quakeworld is a quake mod that adds client side prediction to quake :P
20:28 Exio4 :O
20:28 Calinou also, FPSes aren't more tedious than minetest
20:28 Exio4 client-side prediction on quake?
20:28 Exio4 that can't be true!
20:28 Peacock well, you can build whatever you want in sandbox games, but there are only so many ways to kill a player in a FPS
20:29 Exio4 you're limited to blocks in minetest and that
20:29 Calinou Exio4, source engine is based on quake, and has (good) client side prediction :p
20:29 Exio4 you're limited to weapons in FPS(s)
20:29 Calinou xonotic is based on darkplaces, but its prediction is worse
20:29 Exio4 Calinou: i mean, the "real" quake :P
20:29 Calinou Exio4, you can have weapons in minetest, firearms mod :P
20:30 Exio4 weapons without client-side prediction?
20:30 Exio4 those aren't weapons
20:30 Peacock yeah but the range of things you can do with blocks and the range of things you can do w/ weapons in FPS...
20:30 Exio4 you can't do much when playing MT unless you use mods like mesecons...
20:30 Exio4 so
20:31 Peacock if mesecons is a must then you've run out of imagination/things to build
20:31 Peacock besides what do computers and calculators have to do with the voxel world concept? (universal argument) :p
20:32 Exio4 exactly
20:33 Peacock if i was gonna do that i'd rather just draw diagrams lol
20:34 Calinou Exio4, source engine has weapon predictions, but not darkplaces
20:37 Exio4 redeclipse has
20:37 Calinou redeclipse does it clientside
20:37 Exio4 and xonotic? i don't recall
20:38 Peacock xonotic: did they hold a contest for the goofyest sounding name? lol
20:39 Peacock sounds like a failed car lol
20:39 Peacock "The Homer" lol
20:40 leo_rockway Peacock: I like it better than Nexuiz.
20:40 Peacock that was the old name?
20:40 leo_rockway yes, before it was hijacked.
20:40 Peacock FLOSS needs linguists lol
20:40 leo_rockway Nexuiz, pronounced Nexiuz... o.0
20:40 Calinou nexuiz is dead anyway :P
20:40 leo_rockway they made a typo when registering the domain
20:40 Menche how do you pronounce 'xonotic' anyway?
20:40 Menche like zonotic?
20:40 Peacock ^
20:40 Menche or ecksonotic
20:40 Calinou zone-otic, kso-notic
20:41 leo_rockway yup
20:41 Calinou depends if you're in USA or europe[wiki]
20:41 Exio4 Menche: like zonotic in argentinian!
20:41 leo_rockway Calinou: the old dev came back to screw all the newer devs over. The newer devs moved to Xonotic... that's pretty much now it goes.
20:41 Peacock like VLC on ios lol
20:41 leo_rockway how*
20:41 leo_rockway VLC on ios was a license issue
20:42 Peacock yeah, one dev
20:42 Peacock screwing over the users
20:42 Peacock bad publicity for GPL honestly
20:42 Peacock so VLC switched or dual-licensed now
20:42 leo_rockway yes, but the GPL was not the problem, IMO, but ios.
20:43 leo_rockway so the old dev of Nexuiz had copyright and sold the work off all the devs over to some company.
20:43 Peacock but i thought the GPL was there to protect users' rights, not the devs, and yet 1 dev was able to get it pulled.... doesn't sound like its working
20:43 leo_rockway Peacock: VLC got pulled out of the ios market at the time.
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20:44 leo_rockway VLC itself was still free software, the ios market didn't allow resharing in more than 3 devices, though.
20:44 Peacock full article (Read comments)
20:44 Peacock http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/07/18/1943202/vlc-for-ios-returns-on-july-19-rewritten-and-fully-open-sourced
20:45 Calinou <Peacock> bad publicity for GPL honestly
20:45 leo_rockway oh, this is new news!
20:45 Calinou buuut... FREEDOM! we need to argue for users' FREEDOMS!
20:45 Calinou </sarcasm>
20:45 leo_rockway I'm talking about what happened before.
20:45 Calinou and this is how people argue on the internet
20:45 Peacock diff people have diff ideas about freedom :p
20:46 Peacock hence communist freedom ~= capitalist freedom
20:46 Peacock (for obvious reasons)
20:47 Peacock like some people want the freedom to bare arms and others want freedom from gun violence
20:47 leo_rockway oh, so it's just the same thing, except the double licensed.
20:47 leo_rockway Apple didn't change a thing :S
20:47 Peacock yeah though the comments say it still might not pass
20:48 Peacock one helluva license debate in that article lol
20:48 leo_rockway it's because the market adds restrictions to the license
20:48 Calinou meanwhile: people praise apple for their design, brand image, and being friendly to photoshop
20:48 Peacock apple simply puts out consumer grade stuff for people who couldn't care less how it works so long as it works
20:48 nalkri And people with the same ideas about freedom have different ideas about how to optimise for it
20:49 leo_rockway I find it funny how Apple went from attacking 1984 to becoming 1984
20:49 Peacock you and me might be willing to deal with bugs and problems in linux, but thats not for everyone
20:49 leo_rockway Peacock: you say that like Apple products are bug free...
20:49 Menche why does it seem so difficult to build minetest for osx?
20:49 Peacock ive never used it i cant say
20:49 Calinou linux has less bugs and problems than trolls might say
20:49 Calinou Menche, because it is
20:49 Calinou it's always a PITA to build on proprietary OSes for obvious reasons
20:50 Peacock linux is a bit like the lottery when it comes to which devices are supported :p
20:50 Menche would think that osx would be more similar to linux
20:50 Peacock especially printers/scanners things like that
20:50 leo_rockway I used Cheetah for about 4 months. And then had to install and deal with Tiger for a little bit...
20:50 Menche but we build for linux and windoze but can't build for osx
20:50 leo_rockway I prefer OSX over Windows
20:50 leo_rockway but that doesn't mean I like OSX
20:50 Calinou Peacock, it's not a lottery, it's a matter of choosing well
20:50 Peacock must not be enough mac players on minetest?
20:50 Calinou Peacock, lol no
20:51 Peacock calinou, assume you dont buy all your hardware *after* chosing an OS
20:51 Peacock i mean, it stands to reason: you need a computer to discover linux on the internet lol
20:51 Calinou poor computer choices are your problem
20:51 Peacock poor by who's standard?
20:51 Peacock do you assume the shelves are stocked the same in every store in every country?
20:51 leo_rockway Peacock: I discovered Linux on a magazine last millenium :S
20:52 leo_rockway we still used magazines!
20:52 Peacock or that we all trust shipping companies to not kick our packages over the fence?
20:52 Calinou also: <leo_rockway> Peacock: you say that like Apple products are bug free...
20:52 Calinou premium products have bugs, low cost products have bugs.
20:52 Peacock 15 years ago I only bought high end PCs and i had as many problems as buying the cheapest ones now
20:52 leo_rockway I find that premium products sometimes have more bugs due to schedules.
20:53 leo_rockway they need to have the software ready by a certain date (black Friday, or whatever)
20:53 Peacock so between forking over 2K or 200$, guess which i'll chose :p
20:53 leo_rockway free software releases when it's ready, but you can use it before that.
20:53 Peacock i see you've never used arch :p
20:53 Calinou harsh linux
20:53 leo_rockway it doesn't man that releases don't have serious bug (see Debian's ssh)
20:54 leo_rockway Peacock: I use Arch TESTING
20:54 * Menche uses Arch
20:54 Peacock funny im moving away from it now
20:54 Exio4 in the meantime i use debian & gentoo
20:54 Calinou xubuntu bro!
20:54 leo_rockway this server is Debian Wheezy
20:54 Peacock packer's broken, can't update it through pacman, i miss synaptic lol
20:54 Calinou haters gonna hate <insert gif of pony jumping into a hole here>
20:54 Peacock so... crunchbang
20:54 Menche you can't update it through pacman??
20:55 Peacock packer? nope
20:55 leo_rockway I'm really happy with Arch
20:55 Calinou what I don't like about xubuntu is that it's not rolling release, though
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20:55 Menche packer? that some pacman wrapper?
20:55 Peacock aur helper
20:55 Calinou rolling release means no reinstalls or risky upgrades...
20:55 Peacock and pacman wrapper
20:55 leo_rockway like yaourt
20:55 * Menche uses yaourt
20:55 Peacock rolling releases can break a system too
20:55 Calinou if well done, they probably shouldn't
20:55 Peacock yaourt isn't in pacman either is it?
20:55 Calinou if done bad, they will, like a stable release
20:56 leo_rockway Calinou: I had more issues upgrading versions of Ubuntu than using Arch testing.
20:56 Peacock well arch is a perfect example of how not to roll out changes lol
20:56 Menche yaourt isn't in the default repos
20:56 Calinou typically I reinstall while keeping my /home
20:56 Exio4 +[17:55:34] <Peacock> rolling releases can break a system too
20:56 Calinou that keeps enough data, but you still need to reinstall a fair bunch of software
20:56 Exio4 suddenly, gentoo
20:56 Exio4 a real rolling release distro
20:56 leo_rockway Exio4: I never used Gentoo. I love it in theory. In practice I don't have the patience.
20:56 Peacock ive lost my lust for bleeding edge, i'll take "working when i need it" instead lol
20:57 Peacock *lustre
20:57 Peacock wtv
20:57 Exio4 i've said that to you a bit ago iirc
20:57 leo_rockway Peacock: KMail from KDE unstable is making me feel that. But versionitis is too powerful :S
20:57 Exio4 i'm k with the kernel 3.9 for now
20:57 Peacock you mean when the numbers go up every other day? lol
20:57 Peacock i noticed that too
20:57 leo_rockway Exio4: I have 3.10.2 o.o
20:58 Exio4 yeah, you're an archlinux user
20:58 Exio4 you will have the last kernel always
20:58 Peacock my game is a joke on that actually lol theres no versions 3,4,5,6
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20:58 Exio4 even if it is claimed to break your filesystem, and kill your family
20:58 Exio4 anyway, leaving
20:59 Calinou "working when I need it", suddenly, software developers tell you to update your 16-24 month old software
20:59 Calinou happened to me once
20:59 Calinou and... that fixed the issue
20:59 Peacock updates is what causes shit to stop working
20:59 MasterBot http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&amp;t=105925 ..Anyone?
20:59 leo_rockway hey, leave my XP alone. It's been working fine for me since 2003!
20:59 Peacock id rather clean-install every 6 months
20:59 leo_rockway o.o
20:59 Calinou it can also make shit start working
21:00 Peacock yeah but the odds are against more shit being fixed than broken lol
21:00 Calinou lol markveidemanis on debian forums
21:00 * Calinou eats popcorn
21:00 Peacock though you install on a clean slate and everythings' fine
21:00 Calinou MasterBot, this is likely to be a graphic driver issue
21:00 Peacock a lot of it has to do with dependencies being upgraded at the same time
21:01 Calinou Peacock, see the positive side of things
21:01 MasterBot It works fine, i  just need the numbers
21:01 Calinou there are way too many people being negative on software, for no reason
21:01 Calinou MasterBot, what is your graphics card? and driver?
21:01 Calinou lspci | grep VGA
21:01 MasterBot 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
21:01 Peacock well, if software developers had the same kind of liabilities as consumer product manufacturers, most of them would be out of business lol
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21:02 Peacock nor could a car company get away with calling an airbag that doesn't deploy "a feature" lol
21:03 Calinou night
21:03 Peacock night
21:04 Peacock good lord they built it http://davidmoorephoto.com/storage/cache/images/000/975/1I2B9665,large.2x.jpg?1372317810
21:05 leo_rockway Peacock: LOL
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21:07 Peacock wonder how much it cost to make lol
21:13 MasterBot http://bpaste.net/show/nvJCLSVnG4EYyiBHQtdH/
21:22 MasterBot How much MHz do i need for a 1440x900 monitor?
21:43 harrison How much do you have to spend?
21:43 MasterBot 1.6 :(
21:44 MasterBot 1.6 GHz, you do the math
21:44 MasterBot But none wasted -- Openbox:)
21:44 harrison doc, when i giggle, it hurts!
21:44 harrison 1.6 gigglehurts
21:47 MasterBot i put 100
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22:06 PilzAdam post of the year: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=101699#p101699
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22:32 MinetestBot GIT: hdastwb commited to minetest/minetest: added (optional) support for 6d facedir in dir_to_facedir and added facedir_to_dir a0f5b70568 2013-07-23T15:31:32-07:00 http://git.io/hHQYCw
22:42 MinetestBot GIT: proller@github.com commited to minetest/minetest: Cosmetic player info changes 3629a90c2e 2013-07-23T15:41:03-07:00 http://git.io/za3xkA
22:43 sea-theorem Hmm...hey, can we make minetest n-dimensional?
22:43 Peacock n dimensional?
22:43 PilzAdam did you just volunteer to patch irrlicht?
22:44 Exio4 lol @ ^
22:44 nalkri Looks like it
22:44 sea-theorem I'm pretty sure that you'd have to patch minetest, but not irrlicht
22:44 nalkri Someone tie them to a chair and make it happen
22:45 Peacock dont do that, they might think they're getting some
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22:53 Peacock weird, the inf position thing only happens when someone logs in
22:55 jojoa1997 so i have a computer that gets 2 fps when i used an 8 pixel texture pack i got 4 fps. how could i raise the fps to around 20
22:57 Exio4 Peacock: how do you reproduce it?
22:58 Exio4 jojoa1997: getting a better computer normally works
22:58 Peacock i cant, someone logs in, and i get dragged off to weird coordinates
22:58 Peacock like -inf,{normal},250000
22:58 Exio4 use an updated client for that not happening?
22:58 Exio4 there is a speed-cap in collisions since 0.4.5 iirc
22:59 jojoa1997 well my mom has a 10 year old computer and her other one is out
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23:01 Peacock im not using that old a version :p
23:01 Exio4 aren't you using 0.4.4?
23:01 Peacock oh hell no lol
23:01 Peacock 0.4.6
23:02 Peacock 0.4.4 is mesopotamian
23:02 Exio4 who would use that bugged release o_O
23:02 Exio4 lemme check the changelog
23:02 Peacock how many bug-free releases do you count? lol
23:02 Exio4 the 0.4.6 release was filled with bugs
23:02 Exio4 http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog#0.4.6_.E2.86.92_0.4.7
23:02 MinetestBot GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Add gettext translation for image_button 8e2467c393 2013-07-23T16:01:56-07:00 http://git.io/G9AYcw
23:03 Exio4 the limit/speedcap is in 0.4.7
23:03 Exio4 not 0.4.5
23:03 Exio4 6*
23:04 Peacock honestly the only reason i didn't upgrade was because I didn't like most of the changes, but i dont think ill have much choice
23:04 Peacock though it seems like most of the changes i didn't like are in minetest_Game
23:04 Peacock which i can replace
23:07 Peacock ugh, i hate to ban kids, but i hate babysitting even more lol
23:09 Peacock though, if i made changes to things in /builtin, do i need to back those up?
23:10 Exio4 i would use git powa for this
23:10 Exio4 edit, git add builtin/newfile.lua
23:10 Exio4 git add bultin/whatever-file-is-used-for-loading.lua
23:10 Peacock ah shit, moot point, packer's broken, ill be compiling from terminal
23:11 Exio4 git commit -m "local change: add stuff to builtin that does X shit"
23:11 Exio4 and add a source/include/whatever "__builtin/newfile.lua" or so
23:11 Peacock i had this thing somewhere that made colors.txt for the mapper from the node register function
23:12 Peacock i think in misc_register.lua
23:12 PilzAdam bye
23:20 bas080 I have thought about this a while. What is mesecons are not mesecons but coppercons... that way we can use mese technology for the real alien technologies like teleportation, levitation and other more "magical" mechanics.
23:24 bas080 it's just a name. i know...
23:24 bas080 nvm
23:28 MinetestBot GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Add support of pressed_texture of image_button a59f85c1a0 2013-07-23T16:02:43-07:00 http://git.io/WHmw-A
23:35 Peacock i think the point of mesecons is that you need mese to make em
23:35 Peacock i could be wrong tho
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23:36 Peacock as for alien tech, pick an alien race and use their name :p
23:37 Peacock like those people who wear dog tags on their head on stargate
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23:44 sdzen hello #minetest
23:44 Peacock minetest says no
23:44 Peacock (little britain joke) :p
23:45 sdzen my bedsheets smell rank, your arguement has become invalid
23:45 Peacock thank you for that mental imagery
23:46 sdzen what mental imagery?
23:46 Peacock plumes of green smoke coming from the bed lol
23:46 Peacock (the sims)
23:46 Peacock inb4 someone says the sims is evil and we should play opensims
23:47 Peacock :p
23:47 sdzen how does one manage that?
23:47 sdzen ive never gotten that to happen to a bed playing sims
23:47 sdzen mfw nothing is real
23:47 Peacock nihilism
23:52 sdzen I found squirrels!
23:52 sdzen okay back to business, 0.4.8 out yet?
23:52 Uberi nopers
23:52 Peacock dont think so
23:52 Peacock there was talk a week ago that it might be ready?
23:52 Exio4 sdzen: it got delayed because lua mainmenu
23:52 Peacock CBW
23:53 Peacock what's the lua menu supposed to do?
23:53 Exio4 Peacock: check upstream, it contains an online mod manager
23:54 Peacock mod manager is for downloading mods from minetest.net?
23:54 Exio4 https://forum.minetest.net/mmdb/
23:54 sdzen how does it preform in relation to past mainmenus?
23:54 Peacock does the old method of just /games/mygames/mods still work?
23:55 Exio4 /mygames/ is deprecated
23:55 Exio4 the mod "managing" changed.. a bit
23:55 Peacock so i have to stick all my mods in a main folder and tick a bunch of boxes?
23:56 sdzen that has been around for awhile, and its obviously here to stay
23:56 sdzen :)
23:56 sdzen oh wait wrong face
23:56 sdzen :(
23:56 Exio4 lets say you need to do that, for keeping it simple
23:56 Peacock i just wanna make sure i dont have to upload my  stuff to actually use it lol
23:56 Peacock it used to be simpler :p
23:56 sdzen click drag
23:56 sdzen ctrl x
23:57 sdzen ctrl v
23:57 sdzen now you add click
23:57 Peacock ^
23:57 sdzen that is extra step
23:58 Exio4 it is simpler for "normal uses"
23:58 Exio4 users*
23:58 Exio4 where they will download it from the interface, enable it in the "same" interface and so
23:58 Peacock the really dumb ones yeah lol but they don't get the best of receptions on forum either

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