IRC log for #minetest, 2013-04-25

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00:01	mauvebic	that was the easiest grub restore ever lol
00:01	mauvebic	never did it on arch b4 lol
00:02	RealBadAngel	ok, all engine work for glasslike_framed is done. now the api doc
00:02	jojoa1997\|Tablet	RBA screenie please of comparison
00:02	Exio	the worst part about coding are the textures, documentation and that stuff
00:03	jojoa1997\|Tablet	textures are fine
00:04	Exio	i suck at making decent textures, documentation, models, designs, colo(u)r, etc
00:04	jojoa1997\|Tablet	same here
00:05	RealBadAngel	jojoa1997\|Tablet, http://i.imgur.com/5d6sNvO.jpg
00:05	* jojoa1997\|Tablet	liky
00:05	RealBadAngel	this is new drawtype with several textures applied
00:06	Exio	is there any clientside-like prediction?
00:06	RealBadAngel	new drawtype uses 2 textures, one for frame, second for faces
00:09	mauvebic	what the... system clock gives different times in arch and windows lol
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00:11	92AAAHE1B	!up minetest.info.tm
00:11	MinetestBot	minetest.info.tm:30000 is up (0.418ms)
00:20	Kacey	huh
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00:28	mauvebic	i removed the default from grub, though the menu still doesn't appear at startup :/
00:28	Exio	timeout?
00:29	mauvebic	maybe 5 seconds is too low while monitor looks for inputs?
00:31	mauvebic	that was it, set timeout to 30 seconds and 10 had elapsed from beginning of reboot
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01:02	harrison	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6MmRJ12Pxo
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01:04	* jojoa1997	from xchat
01:04	jojoa1997	how do i make it not log stuff
01:05	mauvebic	?
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01:07	Kacey	jojoa1997\|PC, xchat only works for 30 days with windows
01:08	Kacey	hexchat stays free
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01:08	jojoa1997\|PC	this is xchat2
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01:08	Kacey	still
01:08	jojoa1997\|Tablet	this is xchat2
01:09	jojoa1997\|Tablet	anyways how do i make the cliuent not disconnect when i minimize the client?
01:09	VanessaE	xchat ftw :)
01:10	VanessaE	yoiu probably didn't minimize, you probably closed it.
01:10	jojoa1997\|Tablet	wait so how do i not have it do the close client when minimized
01:10	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i pressed the -
01:10	jojoa1997\|Tablet	[-]
01:10	VanessaE	there's a plugin for it that'll dock it into your panel/system tray
01:10	VanessaE	at least, for linux there is
01:11	VanessaE	or there used to be..
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01:18	jojoa1997	yay it works
01:18	* jojoa1997	feels so relaxed typing only on computer again
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01:24	Kacey	jojoa1997, i used xchat and it stopped working after 30 days xchat2 works the same, just it is an upgrade to xchat
01:25	jojoa1997	meh this is only temporary
01:25	Kacey	use hexchat
01:25	jojoa1997	tablet keyboard died
01:26	VanessaE	you know, tablets usually DO have an on-screen keyboard too
01:26	jojoa1997	well going cay
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01:26	jojoa1997	cya
01:27	NakedFury	tablets ALWAYS HAVE an on screen keyboard
01:28	Exio	if he uses his tablet that much
01:28	Exio	i don't see the why not for having a full linux distro in the sd
01:28	Exio	(like debian+x11+basic-stuff)
01:29	NakedFury	is he apple tablet?
01:29	Exio	android
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01:36	* Kacey	is considering giving up on xytest
01:38	NakedFury	take it easy so you wont consider it
01:39	Kacey	nobody seems to like it...
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01:47	MinetestBot	GIT: RealBadAngel commited to minetest/minetest: Add new drawtype GLASSLIKE_FRAMED 625a4c2e66 2013-04-24T18:45:18-07:00 http://git.io/cgwMwQ
02:00	Kacey	night all
02:00	MinetestBot	GIT: commited to minetest/minetest: Improve getFree*ActiveObjectId to reduce common case cpu usage drasticaly e9a4e98cb9 2013-04-24T18:59:09-07:00 http://git.io/JHbatA
02:04	ShadowNinja	sfan5\|OFF: ahem my bot doesn't have the empty author bug, and it doesn't rely on RSS, or github
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02:19	khonkhortisan	I should register as nbsp "Â "
02:21	mauvebic	please, i have enough trouble keeping track of all the multiple aliases/personalities around here :p
02:22	NakedFury	you are fine as khonkhortisan
02:22	khonkhortisan	me too
02:22	NakedFury	we would be like: who the fuck is nbsp man? what the hell does that even mean??
02:22	mauvebic	first thoughts went to ntpd lol
02:23	mauvebic	(time server daemon )
02:23	khonkhortisan	no I mean as what's actually between the quotes "Â "
02:23	NakedFury	ntpd: notepad?
02:23	khonkhortisan	a space character that can't be broken for line break
02:23	khonkhortisan	it joins the words on either side
02:23	khonkhortisan	oh glass got in
02:27	[Asleep]	Oh, what? mauvebic wants us to all trade names?
02:28	* khonkhortisan	is now known as uÉsÄ±Ê‡É¹oÉ¥ÊžuoÉ¥Êž
02:28	[0gb_us]	And nbsp is probably  , the XHTML non-breaking space entity code.
02:29	khonkhortisan	it's only 7:29 and the moon is already up in minetest
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02:38	mauvebic	yes please, trade names :p
02:40	EduardeCalibal	How I convert userdata to will be possible serialize it?
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02:50	khonkhortisan	I use a mod to set world time to real time, and the main menu clouds have a light sky.
02:53	[0gb_us]	That's an interesting idea.
02:57	* [0gb_us]	builds a super-pick, that goes very fast, but breaks after one use
02:58	RealBadAngel	this is my copy of common https://github.com/RealBadAngel/common
02:58	RealBadAngel	in case somebody wants to try framed glass before the changes are merged
03:00	RealBadAngel	ofc only for use with game built with latest changes
03:07	[0gb_us]	I'm not sure what to try with framed glass. You've been posting screenshots all the way, so I know what it looks like. It will be a fun change to the game though.
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03:33	Exio	hahahaha
03:33	VanessaE	?
03:34	Exio	just using active_block_modifier = 15
03:34	Exio	finite_liquids and made stone, dirt, sand, grass and leaves liquids
03:34	VanessaE	screenshot? :)
03:34	Exio	fly-ed a bit
03:34	khonkhortisan	fly-ed -> flied -> flew
03:35	khonkhortisan	We are in need of screenies
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03:35	Exio	i'll upload one
03:36	Exio	uploading
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03:37	VanessaE	HURRY!!!!1!!!!1
03:37	VanessaE	:)
03:38	Exio	VanessaE: fast screenshot of my world after some seconds
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03:39	Exio	(new generated)
03:39	Exio	newly *
03:39	Exio	ah, other thing, liquid_update set to 0
03:45	Demon_Fox_	How fast is world generation now?
03:45	Demon_Fox_	It used to take a couple seconds before
03:46	Demon_Fox_	To get stuff loaded
03:46	Demon_Fox_	Like a minute or so
03:47	NakedFury	thats a couple of minutes then not a couple of seconds
03:47	Demon_Fox_	I mean to load the first chunk
03:47	Demon_Fox_	and a minute to start loading the landscape
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03:59	VanessaE	zzz
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04:07	Exio	it is possible to get item duplication when "torches" drop? (digged the block where they were attached)
04:08	VanessaE	not sure
04:09	Exio	well, seems i got that
04:18	[0gb_us]	Oh, what? It seems desert stone bricks were added at the same time as sand stone bricks, but I missed them.
04:20	VanessaE	[0gb_us]: do you like 'em? :)
04:20	VanessaE	photoshopped from default stone bricks by me :D
04:27	[0gb_us]	Nice.
04:28	Exio	photoshopped?
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04:29	[0gb_us]	Yeah, they should give people that complain about the lack of nodes less to complain about. Now we just need some blue nodes.
04:29	Exio	pink nodes*
04:29	[0gb_us]	VanessaE doesn't use GIMP like the rest of us. Photoshop need Wine, though.
04:30	VanessaE	sure I do.
04:30	VanessaE	I just call it that because "gimping" sounds weird.
04:30	VanessaE	:)
04:30	Exio	gimped :D
04:31	[0gb_us]	I figured that was the case, actually. I didn't see why you'd Wine Photoshop when you can use GIMP natively.
04:31	khonkhortisan	photoshop needs a plugin to make it like gimp
04:31	[0gb_us]	Gimping is like limping, I believe.
04:31	[0gb_us]	!g gimping
04:31	MinetestBot	[0gb_us]: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gimping
04:31	[0gb_us]	Yeah, I was right.
04:32	khonkhortisan	it says that's offensive :)
04:32	khonkhortisan	The menu always thinks it's daytime
04:33	[0gb_us]	You never know what has been Photoshoped these days. People are getting pretty good at it. http://xkcd.com/331/
04:35	khonkhortisan	Real-life photoshopping http://3d-pictures.feedio.net/awesome-optical-3d-street-drawing-illusion-jokeroo/cl.jroo.mez3F2Dda.aaa-Awesome-optical-3D-street-dr.jpg/
04:35	khonkhortisan	and the other images on that page
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04:38	khonkhortisan	OldCoder gimps in :P
04:40	OldCoder	hi
04:40	OldCoder	GIMP is good khonkhortisan :P back
04:42	kaeza	hey OldCoder
04:43	kaeza	[0gb_us], lol
04:43	kaeza	re: xkcd
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04:47	khonkhortisan	You read the scrollback?
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05:32	sfan5	seriously? minecraft gets dyed wood: http://dinnerbone.com/media/uploads/2013-04/screenshots/Minecraft_13w16b_2013-04-24_19-54-57.png
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05:34	VanessaE	snote
05:34	VanessaE	snore*
05:34	VanessaE	I did that months ago.
05:34	VanessaE	and in far more colors.
05:34	VanessaE	and jordach had cotton pretty well settled then, too
05:35	VanessaE	Mojang must be getting desperate for ideas if they're stealing from us now ;)
05:39	sfan5	well, ask Dinnerbone then
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08:40	kaeza	http://ifunny.mobi/p/hzz2LQNs
08:42	VanessaE	kaeza: for you: http://ifunny.mobi/f/6SrdPEwx
08:42	kaeza	VanessaE, :D
08:43	kaeza	two gods in one picture: epic
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08:48	MinetestBot	GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix compatibility of RBA's NDT_GLASSLIKE_FRAMED 6b5c7d9e74 2013-04-25T01:40:23-07:00 http://git.io/HsF3Gw
08:49	[0gb_us]	kaeza: My cat is a bit smaller, but she likes boxes too.
08:49	kaeza	lol enums
08:50	kaeza	[0gb_us], that's the joke ;)
08:50	MinetestBot	GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix compatibility of RBA's NDT_GLASSLIKE_FRAMED bc3072b35e 2013-04-25T01:51:28-07:00 http://git.io/bSINLA
08:51	kaeza	http://ifunny.mobi/p/5BJBXSQW
08:52	VanessaE	heh
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09:16	celeron55	20:53:23 < bas080> Would it be hard to make a minetest server url that includes ip and port and when opened it opens a minetest client. Just like when i open an rss it opens gpodder.
09:16	celeron55	that is OS dependent
09:17	celeron55	but yeah, minetest doesn't have handling for such an address; it'd require a wrapper script as of now
09:17	* ShadowBot	wakes up
09:18	celeron55	otoh, did anyone know MT can open worlds if you associate *.mt with it and click such in a world directory 8)
09:18	celeron55	+?
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09:26	[0gb_us]	No, I didn't know that. That's cool!
09:36	kaeza	http://ifunny.mobi/p/Ehwbn2Nb
09:36	celeron55	(you need to associate "minetest --world <parameter>" though)
09:36	kaeza	:D
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09:43	VanessaE	ping
09:43	kaeza	polo
09:43	VanessaE	kaeza: can you explain this one? http://ifunny.mobi/p/9uNmUrGV
09:43	VanessaE	I've seen it once or twice and I'm completely stymied.
09:44	kaeza	VanessaE, bad one
09:44	VanessaE	wtf is the viewer supposed to see?
09:45	kaeza	apparently, the guy was going to do a "bomb"
09:45	kaeza	(or whatever you call that)
09:45	VanessaE	guy?
09:46	jin_xi	lurk moar...
09:46	VanessaE	fuck, the link didn't go to the right image.
09:46	jin_xi	oh. thought you had problems reading le fffffffuuuuuuuuu
09:46	VanessaE	naw
09:47	VanessaE	and of course now I already lost it
09:47	VanessaE	it was a picture of a woman on the beach, jumping. Some bushes and her shadow near the bottom, ocean surf in the background.
09:47	* [0gb_us]	messed up his commit again ....
09:48	kaeza	VanessaE, did it say "when you see it..."
09:48	kaeza	?
09:48	VanessaE	yeah
09:48	kaeza	lol
09:48	kaeza	I know which one
09:49	kaeza	it's the position of the bush
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09:49	kaeza	no need to explain where it ended up in the shadow ;)
09:49	VanessaE	er, ok
09:50	[0gb_us]	Hey, PilzAdam.
09:50	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
09:50	VanessaE	if that's what it was meant to imply, mega-lame joke.
09:50	VanessaE	hey PilzAdam
09:51	VanessaE	me --> http://ifunny.mobi/p/iT820CCk
09:55	kaeza	LOL
09:59	VanessaE	http://m.ifunny.mobi/p/nLgDW29J
09:59	VanessaE	I don't get it.
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10:00	VanessaE	(and I've seen a similar one before, too, different Teletubbie though)
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10:04	kaeza	http://ifunny.mobi/p/4akUgubv
10:04	VanessaE	heh
10:05	kaeza	VanessaE, have you seen "The Ring"
10:05	kaeza	?
10:05	VanessaE	the ring?
10:05	kaeza	a movie
10:05	VanessaE	lord of the rings, maybe. that's it.
10:05	kaeza	nonono
10:06	kaeza	http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0298130/
10:07	Issa	movies sucks the rings
10:07	VanessaE	not familiar with it. but, I'm not into horror flicks
10:07	VanessaE	(I get nightmares :( )
10:09	kaeza	aww you miss a lot of fun :P
10:09	kaeza	(though I seriously think The Ring sucks)
10:09	kaeza	Ratings: 7,1/10
10:09	kaeza	yeah, right
10:10	kaeza	I'd give it a 4 at most
10:10	Issa	no now i m looking spartacus
10:10	Issa	the series
10:10	Issa	this is a best seris after game of throne
10:10	Issa	the best of the centuries
10:10	kaeza	never seen Game of Thrones
10:11	VanessaE	no see, I prefer science fiction, fantasy, that sort of stuff
10:11	* kaeza	pust an I, Robot DVD on VanessaE's head
10:11	VanessaE	Star Trek, Contact, Sorcerer's Apprentice, etc.
10:11	kaeza	:3
10:11	VanessaE	DVD? BITE YOUR TONGUE!
10:11	VanessaE	Blu-Ray or GTFO
10:11	kaeza	hehe
10:12	kaeza	Blu-Ray here is expensive as hell
10:12	kaeza	it's not widespread yet
10:12	[0gb_us]	My computer won't read Blu-Ray. It reads DVDs though.
10:13	VanessaE	ok, think I'll go try to sleep now.
10:14	[0gb_us]	Good night.
10:14	VanessaE	night
10:14	kaeza	night V
10:14	VanessaE	oh, also.. PilzAdam: flowers mod has been moderately retooled to get ready for your patch to common.
10:14	VanessaE	out-->
10:15	PilzAdam	VanessaE, ok, Ill remove the cotton aliases then
10:23	PilzAdam	VanessaE, https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/5458821
10:23	kaeza	http://ifunny.mobi/p/8Ulh1mKw
10:24	Issa	night
10:25	Issa	Hello PilzAdam
10:25	PilzAdam	hi
10:25	Issa	why u dont' add directly on the game, monsters, animales, moving plants ?
10:25	Issa	sesons
10:26	Issa	like winter summer ... ?
10:26	Issa	i really like u game
10:28	PilzAdam	VanessaE, also benchmarked the ABM, it takes 0 ms 99% of the time and highest value was 1 ms
10:28	PilzAdam	it runs about ~ 100 times / minute
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11:04	jojoa1997\|Tablet	lol
11:04	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i just got an amail saying
11:05	jojoa1997\|Tablet	"Suprise your mom with a nexus 7 tablet + ..."
11:05	jojoa1997\|Tablet	funny thing is she bought me and her and my sister one
11:10	Calinou	Ã¶_Ã¶
11:10	Calinou	jojoa1997\|Tablet: better, I get ads about my mobo and my case... which I already have
11:10	Calinou	on some hardware sites, when adblock fails to block them
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11:29	KikaRz	t
11:29	KikaRz	Cool, my car has overheated
11:29	KikaRz	Reason: no Water.
11:29	KikaRz	Oh, another cool thing... net split
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11:54	Calinou	lol, how did you forgot that
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12:26	EduardeCalibal	PilzAdam, this function do the userdata to table function. http://pastebin.com/rYyb706q
12:26	EduardeCalibal	Then I get the meta from the node, use this function and store all results.
12:26	EduardeCalibal	When I read it and try give back meta to nodes the game crash.
12:27	EduardeCalibal	I get the string and use the meta:from_table(string)
12:27	PilzAdam	how do you store the table in a file?
12:28	EduardeCalibal	The storage don't is the problem. The error occur if I convert and convert back without write to a file.
12:29	PilzAdam	you cant pass a table to meta:from_table()
12:29	EduardeCalibal	I serialize and deserialize...
12:29	EduardeCalibal	No?
12:29	PilzAdam	you need to deserialize the string before passing it to from_table()
12:29	EduardeCalibal	I will test, thanks.
12:31	EduardeCalibal	Now is working but I lost the entire metadata...
12:31	EduardeCalibal	Maybe a wrong var... Hum..
12:32	EduardeCalibal	In a direct copy, without conversion is working, but without serialize.
12:32	EduardeCalibal	Like meta.from_table(nome:get_meta():to_table())
12:32	EduardeCalibal	But if a convert with my code the game is crashing...
12:32	EduardeCalibal	And using the serialize don't is working.
12:33	PilzAdam	to save it, you just call: savestring = minetest.serialize(meta:to_table())
12:34	PilzAdam	and to load it, you do: meta:from_table(minetest.deserialize(savestring))
12:34	EduardeCalibal	I will test in this form. Moment.
12:36	EduardeCalibal	09:50:19: ERROR[main]: ServerError: LuaError: error: ...s/minetest/git/minetest/bin/../builtin/serialize.lua:136: Can't serialize data of type userdata
12:36	EduardeCalibal	I already tested in this format and don't work before...
12:36	EduardeCalibal	Is the motivation of my function.
12:36	PilzAdam	can you show me the code?
12:36	EduardeCalibal	Exactly what you wrote...
12:37	EduardeCalibal	savestring = minetest.serialzie(meta:to_table()
12:37	EduardeCalibal	And after i try put back in a node.
12:37	EduardeCalibal	Is a chest.
12:37	EduardeCalibal	The chest have userdata inside.
12:37	EduardeCalibal	In the storage.
12:38	PilzAdam	userdata means that its a c++ object
12:38	EduardeCalibal	I know.
12:38	EduardeCalibal	I converted this data to table.
12:39	EduardeCalibal	And when I try convert back the from_table don't like my data... I think he need userdata.
12:39	EduardeCalibal	How I create new userdata from a table?
12:39	PilzAdam	you do something wrong. meta:to_table() returns a Lua table, it is 100% serializeable with minetest.serialize()
12:40	EduardeCalibal	Yes, but the userdata is a type without suport to conversion no?
12:41	PilzAdam	can you show me your code?
12:41	EduardeCalibal	Yes...
12:41	EduardeCalibal	Moment.
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12:43	EduardeCalibal	This is the second function
12:43	EduardeCalibal	http://pastebin.com/2zVMzWwb
12:43	EduardeCalibal	This is the convertion function http://pastebin.com/rYyb706q
12:43	EduardeCalibal	Have one more, to put the data back.
12:44	EduardeCalibal	This one: http://pastebin.com/MsiwCzrc
12:44	EduardeCalibal	Ok, is the entire code... I am testing your ideas then some is out of the place now.
12:45	PilzAdam	ehm
12:45	PilzAdam	why do you have so much code?
12:46	EduardeCalibal	I don't understanding your question...
12:46	PilzAdam	https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/4540471
12:46	EduardeCalibal	Is a test function... Some of the code will be commented before will be removed.
12:46	PilzAdam	you just need these 18 lines
12:47	EduardeCalibal	This function don't conver my problem...
12:47	PilzAdam	then you can do: save(meta:to_table(), "filename.txt")
12:47	EduardeCalibal	My conde don't is to write...
12:47	PilzAdam	and: meta:from_table(load("filename.txt))
12:47	EduardeCalibal	Is to copy a entire area.
12:48	PilzAdam	I just need the section of your code where the error occurs
12:49	EduardeCalibal	This is the section...
12:49	PilzAdam	I cant find it in the massive amount of code
12:49	EduardeCalibal	My problem is very small.
12:49	PilzAdam	you also have wrong indentation
12:49	EduardeCalibal	Is a test code... Is a big mess.
12:49	EduardeCalibal	I need copy a meta from a chest and add to another chest
12:50	EduardeCalibal	With the entire content.
12:50	PilzAdam	from the error messag you posted above it seems like you call minetest.serialze(meta) somwhere
12:50	PilzAdam	*message
12:51	EduardeCalibal	I used the serialize when you requested, but I removed from the code afther the error.
12:53	EduardeCalibal	My code need 3 stages, meta -> table -> file and after, file -> table -> meta
12:53	EduardeCalibal	The file is optional but the meta userdata need be converted to a table.
12:54	PilzAdam	meta:to_table() converts the c++ object to a Lua table
12:54	EduardeCalibal	Ok, this is working.
12:54	EduardeCalibal	But when I try convert back the game crash
12:55	EduardeCalibal	But if I convert this data don't crash
12:55	EduardeCalibal	If I do the convertion and convert back without storage it the code is working.
12:56	PilzAdam	then the problem is in the "storage" (whatever you mean by that)
12:56	EduardeCalibal	Yes.
12:56	EduardeCalibal	I converted with the first function
12:56	EduardeCalibal	The userdata.
12:56	EduardeCalibal	But when I do this convertion some is lost.
12:58	EduardeCalibal	I will split my function in two versions, one working in the current game and a second one to test the storage function.
12:58	EduardeCalibal	Anyway I have some RL work now. Cya.
12:58	EduardeCalibal	And thanks. :D
12:58	EduardeCalibal	AFK
13:02	celeron55	umm
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13:03	celeron55	sfan5\|OFF would know much about this
13:06	celeron55	i recall something about meta:to_table not being directly usable
13:06	celeron55	aren't the inventory items in the inventory of it in ItemStack format? that would be userdata
13:07	celeron55	they should probably be made to be in the lua table format
13:09	celeron55	that'd be then something like meta:to_table({fully_serializable: true}) to preserve compatibility
13:09	PilzAdam	https://github.com/PilzAdam/worldedit_pp/blob/master/init.lua#L319
13:09	PilzAdam	you need something like this to convert ItemStacks in the table to strings
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13:59	sfan5	celeron55: about what?
14:01	sfan5	ShadowNinja: how does it work then?
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14:04	sfan5	this is just stupid(part of github rss feed): <author> <name></name>
14:12	PilzAdam	flowers! http://ompldr.org/vaTd2bA
14:12	jojoa1997\|Tablet	From where
14:12	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Minitest?
14:12	ShadowNinja	sfan5: It uses git clone/pull and checks anything that has been pulled
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14:13	sfan5	oh, thats also a possibility
14:13	PilzAdam	jojoa1997\|Tablet, no
14:13	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Ok
14:14	PilzAdam	https://github.com/PilzAdam/common/branches/flowers
14:14	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Pilzadam make them craft dyes
14:15	PilzAdam	are you able to read?
14:15	jojoa1997\|Tablet	I can't get to the add part
14:16	iqualfragile	how do i enable mapgen v7 or is it allready enabled by default?
14:16	sfan5	MinetestBot: reload rssnotify
14:16	MinetestBot	sfan5: <module 'rssnotify' from '/home/stefan/mtbot/modules/rssnotify.py'> (version: 2013-04-25 14:16:24)
14:16	sfan5	iqualfragile: mg v7 only generates stone
14:17	Exio	and dirt/grass
14:17	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Oh cool
14:17	jojoa1997\|Tablet	How do I enable
14:17	Exio	jojoa1997\|Tablet: uh?
14:17	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Mg7
14:18	Exio	you may get corrupted maps in the future - or better saying, maps what will be messed up
14:18	Exio	it is in dev, it may have big changes
14:18	Exio	if you still want
14:19	PilzAdam	<Exio> and dirt/grass <- nope
14:19	Exio	PilzAdam: nope? hm
14:19	PilzAdam	it generates only ston
14:19	PilzAdam	+e
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14:20	Exio	did you define the biomes and stuff?
14:20	Exio	in lua
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14:20	PilzAdam	it doesnt have a interface for defining biomes yet
14:20	kahrl	oh man I just created a new world and slightly shocked myself
14:21	kahrl	didn't expect any music to start playing
14:21	kahrl	forgot I still had my doomhud mod installed that plays the music from the first doom level
14:21	kaeza	kahrl, :D
14:21	kaeza	link?
14:22	Exio	hm PilzAdam
14:23	kahrl	it's nothing special but: http://codepad.org/ElnMjf5y
14:23	kahrl	can't distribute the texture and music I think
14:25	kaeza	ah I thought it was a working hud :(
14:25	kahrl	sorry
14:26	kaeza	lol no problem
14:26	kaeza	I'm going to make an FPS pack later
14:26	Exio	PilzAdam: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4RJVZQ4J
14:26	kaeza	based on firearms mod and some other stuff
14:26	kahrl	that would be awesome
14:27	Exio	you'll have quake3 back
14:27	PilzAdam	Exio, what is that?
14:27	Exio	unplayable with more than 100ms of lag
14:27	Exio	PilzAdam: a paste of hmmmm - works for me
14:28	kaeza	Exio, I get around 400ms in AC :(
14:28	Exio	can you still play it or the movement is lagged?
14:28	Exio	or is the *
14:28	kaeza	Exio, ahem remember when I pwned you and socramazibi
14:28	kaeza	:P
14:29	Exio	exactly, you can still play with 400ms
14:29	Exio	now install RE >:D
14:29	PilzAdam	Exio, nice
14:29	kaeza	lol nope
14:29	kaeza	you know that would take half my monthly bandwidth
14:30	Exio	half? a bit more you mean!
14:30	kaeza	4GB/mo - 1.5 from RE
14:31	Exio	1.5? isn't RE "only" 500?
14:31	kaeza	umm maybe
14:31	kaeza	anyway, I seriously need to change to a better plan lol
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14:36	kaeza	onpon4, thanks for the list about the foods
14:36	onpon4	kaeza: Sure
14:36	kaeza	I'll add it in a bit
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14:44	[0gb_us]	PilzAdam: Pull request to flowers.
14:46	PilzAdam	what?
14:46	PilzAdam	why are you doing this?
14:46	[0gb_us]	Removing wool and dye from depends.txt. Your changes make dependence unneeded.
14:47	PilzAdam	why do do a pull request against minetest/common then?
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14:47	[0gb_us]	What? Drats. I tried to pull against PilzAdam/common.
14:47	[0gb_us]	I wonder what whent wrong ....
14:47	[0gb_us]	*went
14:48	PilzAdam	just tell me if you want to change something, you dont have to pull request it
14:48	[0gb_us]	Okay. Please remove wool and dye from depends.txt then. Thanks!
14:49	PilzAdam	already done :-)
14:49	[0gb_us]	Thanks!
14:49	PilzAdam	pushed to my branch
14:50	PilzAdam	already removed useless cotton textures
14:50	PilzAdam	[0gb_us], was it intentional that grass and flowers perlin noise have the same seeddiff?
14:51	[0gb_us]	I don't know how to properly use seeddif, so yeah, I reused it because that one is known to work.
14:51	[0gb_us]	If you have a better way, that would be great.
14:51	Exio	PilzAdam: it is me or the dirt_with_snow doesn't have "snow" on the left? (like with_with_grass)
14:52	Exio	oh damn
14:52	Exio	saw why
14:52	PilzAdam	wut?
14:52	Exio	256x tp
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15:18	jin_xi	so, flowers, wool and dyes coming to vanilla game?
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15:22	NakedFury	this is what we need: cotton plants http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Cotton_field_kv06.jpg/800px-Cotton_field_kv06.jpg
15:22	NakedFury	then when we add animales we can have wool
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15:24	[0gb_us]	No, it sounds like PilzAdam is adding farming to get wool, not animals. Personally, I prefer farming for wool, because livestock is lame.
15:24	NakedFury	so invent a wool shrub to get wool?
15:24	kaeza	[0gb_us], livestock would be cool too
15:24	* [0gb_us]	disagrees, but respects kaeza's thoughts on the matter
15:25	kaeza	but until fast mobs can be made, this won't be done anyway
15:25	kaeza	(I mean, mobs in default game)
15:25	NakedFury	because you can add all the farming in the world and wool will never be possible without inventing some kind of plant that produces it or sucking it up and adding animals for wool
15:26	kaeza	the default game needs more life
15:26	[0gb_us]	PilzAdam is adding cotton farming to get wool. He said that in Minetest, wool and cotton are the same thing, so it would be fine.
15:26	kaeza	flowers will surely add a bit
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15:28	NakedFury	for all the bitching to stop copying all minecraft stuff we copied wool blocks instead of just making it more original with cotton blocks
15:28	kaeza	offtopic: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7377027328/hEE5F95DE/
15:31	jojoa1997\|Tablet	:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
15:33	sfan5	jojoa1997\|Tablet: :DDDDDD
15:33	jojoa1997\|Tablet	:DO)DO)DO)DO)
15:35	[0gb_us]	I know, right? What's up with the multi-mouth emoticons people send?
15:36	* [0gb_us]	mutters "weirdos ..."
15:36	jojoa1997\|Tablet	:DD:DD:DD:DD:DD:
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15:41	khonkhortisan	Ã¶ Ã³Ã³ Ã¶Ã¶
15:42	jojoa1997_Tablet	~~~~~~~~````````~~~~~~~~~
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15:48	khonkhortisan	I just found out I can type oÍ„ from my keyboard
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15:49	Calinou	altgr+M = Ã¶
15:49	Calinou	alternate french FTW
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16:05	Calinou	Âµ_Âµ
16:05	rubenwardy	I have just fixed the cmakelist for the node box generator that allows it to get Irrlicht in the same way as Minetest: https://github.com/rubenwardy/The-NodeBox-Generator/commit/6b42515b72aa9930861316966807fc6ff18e401d
16:05	rubenwardy	so you can just install irrlicht by apt-get, and then just build the project.
16:06	rubenwardy	I nicked some scripts from minetest which they nicked from someone else
16:06	khonkhortisan	I don't have anything on altgr+M
16:07	[0gb_us]	rubenwardy: Nice! And what you built helps define node boxes?
16:08	rubenwardy	yeah, it is an editor
16:08	rubenwardy	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2840
16:08	Calinou	now you look stupid when taking a piece of paper and drawing a square with X/Z axis on it :P
16:10	* [0gb_us]	thinks z should be the elevation coordinate
16:13	khonkhortisan	That would be a big change
16:13	Calinou	Y uses MC as vertical, is that why you want that? :P
16:13	Calinou	Y being vertical is normal, it works like that in real world
16:14	kaeza	[13:13:46] <Calinou> Y uses MC as vertical <-- wut
16:14	Calinou	MC uses Y as vertical*
16:14	[0gb_us]	I thought x and y were the horizontal in almost everything but Minetest. So that's wrong then?
16:14	khonkhortisan	If I draw an xy graph, then I glue a pencil to it, the pencil is Z and vertical unless I tape the graph to the wall.
16:15	[0gb_us]	khonkhortisan: Exactly my thoughts.
16:15	khonkhortisan	opengl uses y vertical, blender uses z vertical
16:16	kaeza	khonkhortisan, I find Y as vertical more natural
16:16	kaeza	since 2D coord system uses Y for vertical
16:16	rubenwardy	It is because DirectX uses Z as depth
16:16	kaeza	the Z is just an added dimension
16:17	rubenwardy	http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10223162/why-does-directx-use-a-flipped-y-axis
16:17	rubenwardy	kaeza is right
16:17	rubenwardy	projection
16:17	kaeza	^ that
16:17	[0gb_us]	When you tell someone your coordinates, it seems odd that you leave out the middle coordinate, not the end coordinate. So you tell them (x, z), not (x, y).
16:18	khonkhortisan	Yes, I like it when the vertical coordinate is separate
16:18	khonkhortisan	(h, h, v)
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16:19	khonkhortisan	I assume 2d coordinate systems are horizontal
16:19	[0gb_us]	Me too.
16:19	[0gb_us]	Like a map.
16:20	khonkhortisan	so things are going in cardinal directions, instead of U, UE, DE, D, DW, W, UW
16:20	[0gb_us]	A vertical map would be useless.
16:20	khonkhortisan	UEU up-east-up
16:20	ShadowNinja	markveidemanis: get rid of your cloak or use a proper IRC client, you canse five messages when you join
16:20	ShadowNinja	cause*
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16:21	rubenwardy	I think it makes more sense
16:21	khonkhortisan	Both ways are used by different programs
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16:21	rubenwardy	I got a big surprise when I first did 3d stuff in maths, I had always though Y was up.
16:21	NakedFury	if the plan was to hide ip it fails big fucking time
16:21	rubenwardy	My virtual world was turned upside down
16:22	rubenwardy	or sideways rather
16:22	rubenwardy	:P
16:22	khonkhortisan	With four dimensions, it's x y z w
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16:22	rubenwardy	w?
16:23	khonkhortisan	xyzw can also describe a quaternion
16:31	MinetestBot	GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Transform alpha channel as well in shader ddd2b18321 2013-04-25T09:30:01-07:00 http://git.io/UKsMNg
16:35	MinetestBot	GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: kahrl is back 386108f982 2013-04-25T09:32:49-07:00 http://git.io/4Ae2LQ
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16:39	* rubenwardy	is going to try to make a mob mod
16:39	PilzAdam	simple mobs API?
16:40	rubenwardy	no
16:40	rubenwardy	scratch
16:41	rubenwardy	just for fun
16:41	rubenwardy	no promises
16:41	sokomine	it would be great if simple mobs and mobf could share the same mob definition (ok, perhaps too much work in relation to the amount of mobs)
16:42	rubenwardy	I am making it slightly different so that you can register ai types and plugins
16:43	sokomine	ai types? for what?
16:43	rubenwardy	Like a class
16:44	rubenwardy	hmm, what shall I call it
16:44	rubenwardy	...
16:45	sokomine	hm, yes, and what for? i might have missed the beginning of the discussion
16:46	rubenwardy	IE: you have a chicken and a sheep, and they both use the animal class
16:46	rubenwardy	graze, walk around, do not fly
16:48	sokomine	but we do have that already? it's called mobf (or, with less functions, simple mobs)
16:48	[0gb_us]	http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/small/35181632.jpg
16:48	[0gb_us]	http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4045/4397036908_4a6f180cb0_z.jpg
16:48	PilzAdam	rubenwardy, call your new mobs mod YAMM
16:48	PilzAdam	Yet Another Mobs Mod
16:48	sokomine	:-)
16:48	rubenwardy	good ide
16:48	rubenwardy	a
16:49	rubenwardy	ah [0gb_us]
16:49	sokomine	what we could really need - apart from perhaps feedback for sapier - are new models for further animals
16:49	rubenwardy	can mobf define ai types with the api?
16:49	NakedFury	deer, ram, buffalo, rhinos, etc
16:50	sokomine	it does offer diffrent types of behaviour. calling it "ai" might still be a bit exaggerating
16:50	sokomine	and it depends a lot at what you consider "ai" in this case
16:50	sokomine	mobs can mostly be configured, and there are different movement algorithms. you can also influence their state change
16:51	sokomine	for example the version of the trader i'm experimenting with can now sit down on chairs, sleep on beds etc. - the correct stage (=animation model) is only entered when such a furniture object is nearby
16:52	sokomine	so what do you consider ai and what should it do? the problem there is that there's not much time/cpu cycles per mob, and there is no guarantee that it will be offered time in time to notice that it's heading off a cliff...
16:53	rubenwardy	I am just experimenting ATM
16:53	sokomine	well, what is your goal? :-) (at least the immediate one)
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16:54	rubenwardy	to make an extendible framework
16:54	rubenwardy	that is fast
16:54	sokomine	oh. mobf is already...
16:54	rubenwardy	meh
16:56	sokomine	if you keep your animals locked up in a fenced-off area where they can't fall to their death and avoid aggressive mobs it works well - even with very large amounts of mobs
16:56	MinetestBot	GIT: (Sapier at GMX dot net) commited to minetest/minetest: Move player collisionbox to player class 88ffb3f73b 2013-04-25T09:53:50-07:00 http://git.io/CJKqOw
16:56	sokomine	(and on a slow computer)
16:57	rubenwardy	maybe I could make a plugin in network that where you can use components
16:58	sokomine	what kind of components are you thinking of?
16:58	rubenwardy	"YAMM:sheep",{c={"mob","grazing","avoid"},}
16:58	rubenwardy	each component checks for events and then reachs
16:59	rubenwardy	*reacts
16:59	sokomine	ah, ok. well, the grazing is already covered by a movement pattern. and wolfs do hunt players (they don't hunt sheep to my knowledge; they linger under their tree and wait for unsuspecting players passing by :-))
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17:01	sokomine	one major problem with all these mobs and interaction and intelligence is that most of the time most of the world isn't active at all
17:02	rubenwardy	so prediction
17:04	kahrl	I wonder if a middle ground between active and inactive blocks would work
17:04	kahrl	half active blocks
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17:05	kahrl	ABMs would only run rarely there, but mobs' on_step would run
17:06	sokomine	maybe
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17:06	sokomine	it's hard to tell what would be best there
17:06	sokomine	maybe for some purposes an extra master that checks and keeps track on what's going on
17:07	rubenwardy	maybe instead of basing it around entities it should be based around tables
17:07	sokomine	some further luaapi functions might help a lot as well
17:09	rubenwardy	how do you remove entities?
17:12	rubenwardy	self.object:remove()
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17:24	PilzAdam	git reset --hard 4e249fb3fbf75f0359758760d88e22aa5b14533c
17:25	PilzAdam	^ that brings you to the first commit in the minetest repo
17:25	PilzAdam	it already has mese and rats
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17:39	Jordach	rubenwardy, you have a bug with nodebox gen
17:40	ShadowNinja	sfan5: My bot uses the public serverlist now, with less code and imports
17:40	ShadowNinja	ShadowBot: server
17:40	ShadowBot	ShadowNinja: Public Minetestserver \| minetestserver.us.to \| Clients: 0/7 \| Version: 0.4.6 \| ping: 0.250
17:40	rubenwardy	Jodach: tons
17:40	rubenwardy	*Jordach
17:40	rubenwardy	Any info?
17:41	Jordach	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86458#p86458
17:41	rubenwardy	just a build bug
17:42	Jordach	youre the maintainer, you fix it
17:42	rubenwardy	I am
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17:46	sfan5	ShadowNinja: would you pull for sfan5/minetestbot-modules
17:46	sfan5	?
17:46	sfan5	*create
17:46	rubenwardy	Jordach: I rebuilt in release mode
17:46	Jordach	sweet
17:47	PilzAdam	Jordach, you are on windows again?
17:47	Jordach	PilzAdam, not at home
17:47	rubenwardy	brb
17:48	Jordach	rubenwardy, still debug
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17:53	MinetestBot	GIT: Zeg9 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix serverlist on -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0 (use path_user instead of path_share) c33b993397 2013-04-25T10:49:28-07:00 http://git.io/wDl0Cg
17:55	kaeza2	IDK why don't they just make a topic instead of spamming other topics: http://forum.minetest.net/search.php?action=show_user_posts&user_id=5293
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18:00	Calinou	that's spanish people :3
18:00	* Calinou	is very far away
18:01	ShadowNinja	sfan5: Well I use Limnoria...
18:01	sfan5	hm
18:01	kaeza	Calinou, portuguese*
18:02	ShadowNinja	You should try it, more complex but much better imo
18:02	sfan5	http://servers.minetest.net/list is JSON, way easier to parse..
18:03	sfan5	!g Limnoria
18:03	MinetestBot	sfan5: https://github.com/ProgVal/Limnoria
18:04	ShadowNinja	sfan5: The related code: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5601855/
18:05	sfan5	Limnoria seems to be nice, but i won't port all the modules to limnoria
18:06	ShadowNinja	I have already ported !up and !server, just about everything else is already available in a module
18:07	sfan5	MinetestBot: reload server
18:07	MinetestBot	sfan5: <module 'server' from '/home/stefan/mtbot/modules/server.py'> (version: 2013-04-25 18:06:40)
18:07	sfan5	!server
18:07	MinetestBot	sfan5: NotObamaland \| zenoheld.minetest.net \| Clients: 1/10 \| Version: 0.4.6 \| ping: 0.338
18:07	sfan5	ok
18:08	sfan5	http://git.io/IZVyKw
18:08	ShadowNinja	You can also change configuration, capabilities, modules, etc while the bot is running, phenny can only reload modules
18:09	ShadowNinja	What is that check at the top of !server for?
18:10	VanessaE	hi all
18:10	ShadowNinja	Hello VanessaE!
18:10	sfan5	ShadowNinja: antiabuse module
18:11	ShadowNinja	Oh! is that !ignore?
18:12	sfan5	yes
18:12	kaeza	interesting: http://wiki.industrial-craft.net/index.php?title=AntiGriefer-Community
18:12	sfan5	there was also not-too-many-messages-in-2-secs but that confused people
18:12	kaeza	I think someone should do something like that on MT
18:13	ShadowNinja	Hmmm, Limnoria has a nice clean way of doing that, and you can also ignore per-channel (as ShadowBot is doing right now)
18:13	sfan5	i some guy would merge the lua curl thing, MT global bans would be possible
18:14	harrison	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzEXsnF2miQ&feature=youtu.be
18:14	harrison	mirroreyed aspiedog 4 profit
18:15	ShadowNinja	Yes, and much more, the issue is security, it doesn't work terribly well with the security patch I think, but nobody will merge that either so...
18:19	sfan5	MinetestBot: reload rssnotify
18:19	MinetestBot	sfan5: <module 'rssnotify' from '/home/stefan/mtbot/modules/rssnotify.py'> (version: 2013-04-25 18:19:00)
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18:20	ShadowNinja	sfan5: Are there other things that you can think of that a Limoria MinetestBot would need? It already has !up, !server, git commit reporting and a bunch of other commands from default plugins (you can see them by PMing it !list and !list <Plugin>).
18:21	sfan5	ShadowNinja: ideally ShadowBot would need all functionalities of MinetestBot
18:21	ShadowNinja	As far as I know it does, and more
18:22	Jordach	PilzAdam, is singlenode mapgen mgv7
18:22	Jordach	or is it indev
18:23	ShadowNinja	Jordach: singlenode is singlenode, it is its own mapgen
18:23	PilzAdam	^
18:23	rubenwardy	Jordach: damn
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18:25	VanessaE	http://m.ifunny.mobi/p/RWLB4i8J ... you DRUNK my battleship! :(
18:26	kaeza	VanessaE, don't make me remind you your state last new year :P
18:26	VanessaE	:P
18:26	VanessaE	yeah yeah
18:26	rubenwardy	Jordach: turns out I used the wrong thing to turn it into release, not debug.
18:27	rubenwardy	Works now
18:27	rubenwardy	1.0MB to 39KB
18:27	VanessaE	kaeza: I know I was more pickled than a cucumber :)
18:27	kaeza	haha
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18:30	rubenwardy	Done: http://ubuntuone.com/3BS7q3EDQ4o8qzuHL424Uc
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18:35	kaeza	I knew it! http://m.ifunny.mobi/p/kwbzSj8J
18:41	rubenwardy	sokomine: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/b5cd1a01049e0c935ecf
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18:44	ShadowNinja	Why is the access list for #minetest public but the one for #minetest-dev private?
18:44	kaeza	john_minetest, lol
18:44	VanessaE	haha
18:45	ShadowNinja	lol
18:45	rubenwardy	huh?
18:45	rubenwardy	is it?
18:47	ShadowNinja	/msg ChanServ access #minetest list /msg ChanServ access #minetest-dev list The second one says "You are not authorized to perform this operation."
18:47	ShadowNinja	The first works properly
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18:54	sokomine	john_minetest: the problem with deactivated npc starts when they're supposed to do more complex actions, execute chains of events. e.g. when i'd like them to carry something from a to b, that wouln't work because the mob would get deactivated halfway inbetween
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19:00	MinetestBot	GIT: (prollergithub.com) commited to minetest/minetest: Tune finite liquids, indev huge caves d83602d98e 2013-04-25T11:59:32-07:00 http://git.io/SHmmKQ
19:02	ShadowNinja	sfan5: Your author "Fix" isn't realy a fix
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19:02	sfan5	ShadowNinja: ..
19:03	sfan5	MinetestBot: reload rssnotify
19:03	MinetestBot	sfan5: <module 'rssnotify' from '/home/stefan/mtbot/modules/rssnotify.py'> (version: 2013-04-25 19:03:29)
19:03	sfan5	ShadowNinja: fixed
19:04	ShadowNinja	What was the issue?
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19:04	sfan5	ShadowNinja: the code that set the commiter name to the realname if it isn't found was _before_ the code that uses the email as realname
19:05	sfan5	or explained as code: http://git.io/AlVAzg
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19:07	ShadowNinja	Hmmm, but that still doesn't fix the real issue, that the commiter name is sometimes empty, is that an issue with github?
19:07	khonkhortisan	technology requires filial supervision
19:08	sfan5	ShadowNinja: github displays the nickname, but the git.name setting from the commiter is used directly in the rss feed
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19:30	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Hi all
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19:33	ShadowNinja	sfan5: ShadowBot can now run commands inside messages, for example ,,hello
19:33	ShadowBot	ShadowNinja: Hello!
19:34	sfan5	ShadowNinja: .....interesting
19:34	ShadowNinja	MessageParser plugin with a regexp, commands with spaces are run as ,,(up 127.0.0.1)
19:34	ShadowBot	ShadowNinja: 127.0.0.1:30000 is up (0.099ms)
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19:35	Jordach	hey
19:35	ShadowNinja	Hello Jordach!
19:35	Calinou	hi unaffiliated guy
19:36	ShadowNinja	lol
19:36	Jordach	ShadowBot, hey
19:36	Jordach	anyways
19:36	Calinou	unaffiliated master race
19:36	Jordach	i had a new stairs idea
19:36	ShadowNinja	ShadowBot: lobotomy remove
19:36	ShadowBot	ShadowNinja: The operation succeeded.
19:36	ShadowNinja	Jordach: do it now
19:36	Jordach	ShadowBot, instead of two big huge stairs, have four tiny stairs
19:37	ShadowNinja	Well, hey, shadowbot
19:37	ShadowNinja	huh?
19:37	Calinou	inb4 tinystairs mod
19:38	Jordach	Calinou, theyre more useful than the fat and lazy big ones
19:38	ShadowNinja	ShadowBot: lobotomy add
19:38	ShadowBot	ShadowNinja: The operation succeeded.
19:38	Calinou	(don't ask, I won't add that to moreblocks, nothing smaller than 1/8 node)
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19:40	sfan5	gethostbyname("127.0.0.1") fails with unknown host
19:40	BlockMen	hi
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19:40	sfan5	...
19:40	BlockMen	does someone know where "minetest.get_dig_params()" is defined?
19:40	sfan5	maybe i should use the _right_ argv index to call gethostbyname
19:41	sfan5	BlockMen: i think scriptapi.cpp
19:41	BlockMen	sfan5, thx. will take a look at...
19:42	jojoa1997\|Tablet	can i make a craftitem look like a node?
19:43	Calinou	no
19:43	Calinou	the inventory image, maybe minetest.inventorycube("texturename.png") will work
19:43	Calinou	for wield item, nope
19:43	BlockMen	sfan5, found.
19:43	Calinou	hi BlockMen, by the way :P
19:43	jojoa1997\|Tablet	no i mean when you drop it
19:44	Calinou	nope
19:44	jojoa1997\|Tablet	blockmen maybe have beds have an exit sign in case you want to leave the bed?
19:44	BlockMen	lol. also hi
19:44	Jordach	Calinou, http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-250413-204318.php
19:45	BlockMen	jojoa1997, you mean like the "leave bed" button in mc?
19:45	jojoa1997\|Tablet	yeah
19:45	jojoa1997\|Tablet	but not like that
19:45	jojoa1997\|Tablet	just a way to leave the bed
19:45	Calinou	jump?
19:45	jojoa1997\|Tablet	no
19:45	BlockMen	Calinou, no. disabled
19:45	Calinou	suggestion: when sleeping set move speed to 0 (prevent move)
19:46	jojoa1997\|Tablet	maybe shift
19:46	Calinou	when holding jump key, set it back to 1 and leave bed
19:46	Calinou	shift is stupid
19:46	Calinou	what if you enter bed while holding shift
19:46	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i am putting out idesa
19:46	Calinou	and what if you want to use a OS-wide shortcut that uses shift, without alttabbing
19:46	BlockMen	i dont think that it needs that. the player get "pushed" out of bed after 2 seconds...
19:46	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i like the way minecraft does it but i dont want to be criticized
19:46	Calinou	or just right click it :P
19:46	BlockMen	or had you problems like get stuck?
19:47	Calinou	"leave bed" button is useless
19:47	jojoa1997\|Tablet	BlockMen what if you want it to stay night
19:47	Calinou	in minecraft, pressing escape will also leave bed
19:47	jojoa1997\|Tablet	and accidentally click the bed
19:47	jojoa1997\|Tablet	ok then esc
19:47	BlockMen	can we get esc event in lua?
19:49	Calinou	jojoa1997\|Tablet, btw, did you add hunger to minitest?
19:50	jojoa1997\|Tablet	no
19:50	jojoa1997\|Tablet	not yet
19:50	Calinou	BlockMen made a hunger mod; it still needs tweaks (eg. don't deplete hunger when not moving)
19:50	jojoa1997\|Tablet	oh
19:50	jojoa1997\|Tablet	ok well i will wait for fix
19:51	BlockMen	that mod need a LOT of work...
19:51	jojoa1997\|Tablet	BlockMen does it have a HUD
19:51	Jordach	ding ding ding
19:51	Jordach	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86505#p86505
19:51	Calinou	it does
19:51	BlockMen	and yes, thats what it is for. to show lua...
19:51	BlockMen	*hud
19:51	Calinou	BlockMen, a lot of work? it already works, no?
19:52	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Block
19:52	BlockMen	yes, it works in basics. but the positions are not good
19:52	jojoa1997\|Tablet	BlockMen when you think it is ready pm me
19:52	BlockMen	it does not check if you dig, run, etc..
19:52	jojoa1997\|Tablet	for now i am taking a week break to actually play minecraft
19:52	BlockMen	jojoa1997, it maybe never will. idk weather i will continue development
19:52	jojoa1997\|Tablet	this is my first night ingame(in survival)
19:52	Calinou	you can play both at same time, you know :P
19:53	BlockMen	*wheather
19:53	Calinou	also, singleplayer is booooring
19:53	BlockMen	*whether
19:53	BlockMen	idk...lol
19:53	* Calinou	plays MC multiplayer since november 27th, 2010
19:53	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Calinou i get lucky for 30 minutest
19:53	jojoa1997\|Tablet	minutes
19:53	* Calinou	has the game since alpha
19:53	Calinou	still waiting for DLCs, so that I can laugh at people who will have to pay for them :3
19:53	jojoa1997\|Tablet	DLCs?
19:53	Calinou	downloadable contents
19:54	jojoa1997\|Tablet	?
19:54	Calinou	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downloadable_content
19:57	jojoa1997\|Tablet	why wont you have to pay for them?
19:57	BlockMen	Jordach, looks good
19:57	Jordach	BlockMen, its not fully 1/4 yet
19:57	VanessaE	Jordach: protip - /time 12000 before you take a screenshot.
19:58	Jordach	oh sod that
19:58	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Calinou why wont you have to pay for them?
19:59	BlockMen	Jordach, it looks like missing 2/16 to top
19:59	Jordach	yeah, i saw
19:59	Jordach	the nodebox editor isnt that accurate
19:59	Jordach	i had a better model on the win 7 laptop
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19:59	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i cant get the nodebox editor to work
19:59	* Jordach	is happy to provide Nodebox models
19:59	BlockMen	thats made with rubenwardys nodeboy editor?
19:59	Jordach	BlockMen, yes
19:59	Calinou	jojoa1997\|Tablet, back in alpha, the TOS had a line stating you would get all future updates for free when buying the game in its alpha state
20:00	BlockMen	wow, seems cool
20:00	Calinou	so if mojang releases a paid DLC for the PC version, they're supposed to give it for free for alpha users
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20:00	jojoa1997\|Tablet	yeah but isnt that not an update but an addon that isnt in the main game
20:00	Jordach	BlockMen, more stairs anyone?
20:01	jojoa1997\|Tablet	can anyone make a download of rubenwardy's nodebox editor with all the needed libraries
20:01	jojoa1997\|Tablet	for Win 7
20:01	Jordach	jojoa1997\|Tablet, its already compiled
20:01	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i have the libraries and it doesnt work
20:02	Jordach	jojoa1997\|Tablet, actually do your own work or GTFO
20:02	BlockMen	Jordach, more stairs? why?
20:02	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Jordach i have spent an hour trying to get ti to work
20:02	Jordach	because having half slab sized stairs are shit
20:02	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i gave up around 10 minutes ago
20:03	Calinou	11 minutes now
20:03	BlockMen	Jordach, thats an argument :P
20:04	Jordach	jojoa1997\|Tablet, i had the same bug as you
20:04	BlockMen	ok, why have tools an diggable setting? who would dig tools?
20:04	Jordach	jojoa1997\|Tablet, this: http://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/download/details.aspx?id=30679
20:05	VanessaE	Jordach: it's been my experience that we also need something like a 1/3 stair
20:05	Jordach	install x86 is youre 32 bit
20:05	Jordach	VanessaE, the 1/4 stairs are good roofing items
20:05	jojoa1997\|Tablet	The procedure entry point _crtCreateSymbolicLinkW could not be located in the dynamic library MSVCR110.dll
20:05	Jordach	jojoa1997\|Tablet, install from that fuckin link
20:05	jojoa1997\|Tablet	oh sorry i wasnt looking at screen
20:05	Calinou	VanessaE, buut... we also need 1/5 stairs
20:05	* jojoa1997\|Tablet	likes his bluetooth keyboard
20:05	VanessaE	Calinou: er...
20:06	Calinou	and 1/7.. 1/9... >:o
20:06	Jordach	and corner variants
20:06	VanessaE	no really, 1/3 is about the height of real stairs..
20:06	VanessaE	(if you're into modeling real-world buildings in MT)
20:08	* Calinou	takes a ruler and sees
20:09	Calinou	if one node is one cubic meter, then 1/5 stairs would be more realistic
20:09	Calinou	my stairs are about 20cm each, a bit less even :P
20:09	Jordach	http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-250413-210930.php
20:09	Jordach	1/3 stairs
20:10	VanessaE	Jordach: looks good with the default wood.
20:10	Calinou	these look good
20:10	khonkhortisan	but not on the edge of the top step
20:10	Jordach	Calinou, i quickly made that up in less than a minure
20:10	Jordach	minute*
20:11	Calinou	maybe the default stairs mod should use 1/3 stairs and slabs?
20:11	Jordach	<PilzAdam> no
20:11	Calinou	k
20:11	VanessaE	Calinou: 1/3 and 1/4 stairs in stairsplus.
20:11	VanessaE	(=two 6d nodes instead of 8 ;) )
20:11	VanessaE	put*
20:11	Jordach	if you want the models, ask
20:12	Calinou	we would also need 1/3 slabs, then people would also ask for 1/3 panels :P
20:12	Jordach	no
20:12	Jordach	the user will only ask if they need it
20:12	Calinou	LOL?
20:12	Calinou	no
20:12	Jordach	does vanilla MC have panels?
20:12	Calinou	no :P
20:13	Jordach	and thats my case
20:13	khonkhortisan	stairsplus is missing the half-filled diagonal stair
20:13	khonkhortisan	three microblocks on the bottom, one on the top
20:13	Calinou	(ir)relevant: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM1ODg
20:13	VanessaE	Calinou: ok, add 1/3 slabs too, but panels/micro? naw.
20:13	Calinou	I thought it would've been named the Sinking Ship, like a reddit user said :>
20:14	khonkhortisan	That would be its name if enough people called it that
20:14	VanessaE	Calinou: apropos, I'm in the middle of an upgrade to Raring Ringtail :)
20:14	VanessaE	(13.04 that is)
20:14	Jordach	nah 12.04 is better
20:14	Calinou	you're currently downloading off servers whose upload bandwidth is congested? :3
20:14	Calinou	Jordach, you're on 12.10
20:14	Calinou	and /me is on 12.10 too
20:14	Calinou	I let the early adopters do the QA for me :>
20:14	VanessaE	Calinou: yep, and I was getting 2MB/sec. download is already done now.
20:14	Calinou	2MB/s O_o
20:15	VanessaE	yup.
20:15	VanessaE	I don't fuck around :D
20:15	Calinou	my ISP promised again optic fiber
20:15	VanessaE	I get this over cablemodem (!)
20:15	Calinou	I replied to them, "hey, let's play a game of half life 3"
20:15	jojoa1997\|Tablet	jordach same thing happens with nodebox gen
20:15	Jordach	jojoa1997\|Tablet, which one did you go for
20:15	Jordach	arm and x64 are not 32 bit
20:15	jojoa1997\|Tablet	X86
20:16	Jordach	its pointless ctcping you
20:16	jojoa1997\|Tablet	oh duh
20:16	Jordach	youre using blandroid
20:16	Calinou	ARM has both 64 bit and 32 bit
20:16	Calinou	lol blandroid
20:16	Calinou	I'd call it adroid :P
20:16	Calinou	Jordach, saying "ARM is x64" is totally incorrect btw :P
20:16	Calinou	64 bit != x64
20:16	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i am on my windows computer
20:16	Jordach	Calinou, as in, architecture
20:17	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i have 64
20:17	VanessaE	Calinou: have you thought up a better way to switch between wall/regular objects?
20:17	Calinou	cool story
20:17	Jordach	x64
20:17	BlockMen	finally. i found a way to make inventory twaek usable for costum tools
20:17	jojoa1997\|Tablet	what is CTCP
20:17	BlockMen	:D
20:17	Jordach	jojoa1997\|Tablet, download x64
20:18	Calinou	VanessaE, can't /st force placement of all nodes the same way?
20:18	VanessaE	Calinou: sure it can, I just opted to allow for an exception with slabs because it seemed obvious
20:18	VanessaE	but if you wanna change it so that they also respect /st explicitly, go for it
20:18	VanessaE	but.
20:19	Calinou	maybe, it should work on all nodes :P
20:19	VanessaE	I think what we should do is make it so that /st simply turns on wall detection or not
20:19	Calinou	or /st cycles between normal/ceiling/wall
20:19	Calinou	and automatic
20:20	jojoa1997\|Tablet	jordach same problem
20:20	VanessaE	so if /st toggles to "off", then all objects are placed as floor/ceiling only, but when on, pointing at a wall places a wall variant (floor/ceiling still place floor/ceiling variants)
20:20	jojoa1997\|Tablet	do i place libraries in the file with the exe
20:20	VanessaE	ok, your idea is better
20:20	VanessaE	floor, ceiling, wall, auto
20:21	VanessaE	/st with no param cycles, or /st {wall\|floor\|ceiling\|auto}
20:21	jojoa1997\|Tablet	and Jordach i used the right installer
20:21	Calinou	now to actually implement that, /me sucks at coding
20:21	VanessaE	default to auto
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20:21	VanessaE	I'll see if I can hash something out later.
20:22	Calinou	where is the /st command defined, currently, and what does it do?
20:25	VanessaE	it switches between placing ceiling/floor stairs/panels and placing wall ones.
20:25	VanessaE	slabs always place on floor/wall/ceiling automatically, microblocks on floor or ceiling I think is what i did there.
20:26	Calinou	ah, k
20:26	VanessaE	and I think I defined it in moreblocks/stairsplus.lua
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20:27	VanessaE	what I wanted to do was let the user switch modes by wielding a stairsplus item and punching with it - that works, but then there's no way to execute the regular digging code.
20:27	VanessaE	so I left that out.
20:28	VanessaE	(I used the on_use callback originally)
20:29	VanessaE	brb, finishing this update.
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20:35	Calinou	count the bugs, VanessaE, for every 10 bugs found, a new node added to stairs+
20:35	VanessaE	eh?
20:36	khonkhortisan	one stair per every 100 lines
20:37	jojoa1997\|Tablet	50000 lines!
20:39	PilzAdam	VanessaE, you wanna look at / test the flower branch before I push it? https://github.com/PilzAdam/common/commits/flowers
20:40	VanessaE	PilzAdam: decided to go ahead and keep the extra code in flowers/mapgen.lua then?
20:40	PilzAdam	hm?
20:41	PilzAdam	ah, I benchmarked it: https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/5458821
20:41	PilzAdam	its simply not worth to add it to default in some way
20:41	VanessaE	oh ok
20:41	VanessaE	I misunderstood.
20:42	VanessaE	go ahead and merge it. I've already retooled my flowers mod
20:42	VanessaE	I just have to delete a couple seconds and it'll blend in.
20:42	VanessaE	oh also
20:42	VanessaE	credit Ironzorg too.
20:42	PilzAdam	so "Copyright (C) 2012 VanessaE, Ironzorg"?
20:43	VanessaE	his name first, "Copyright (C) 2012-2013 Ironzorg, VanessaE"
20:46	NakedFury	we gonna copyright mods now?
20:46	MinetestBot	GIT: 0gb-us commited to minetest/common: Add flowers 34a590ae0f 2013-04-25T13:44:22-07:00 http://git.io/I7Boig
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20:46	VanessaE	NakedFury: all code is copyrighted by default. what matters is the license (WTFPL)
20:48	PilzAdam	VanessaE, so, where do we include flowers?
20:49	PilzAdam	definetly in build, but how about survival?
20:49	VanessaE	yes
20:49	VanessaE	in both cases, people will want them for something
20:49	VanessaE	perhaps some mod will make potions out of flowers
20:49	PilzAdam	yea, they are pretty nice for decoration
20:51	VanessaE	brb
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20:52	MinetestBot	GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/build: Include flowers mod from common c3e219cff4 2013-04-25T13:51:56-07:00 http://git.io/rUmCTw
20:52	VanessaE	there we go. My system's now updated to 13.04
20:52	VanessaE	and just in time to make a new build I gues ;)
20:52	VanessaE	guess ;)
20:53	sapier	lol I just removed unity in favour of xfce after unsuccessfully trying to add a second screen
20:53	MinetestBot	GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/survival: Include flowers mod from common 3acee4cb4c 2013-04-25T13:53:10-07:00 http://git.io/k6fdVg
20:53	BlockMen	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86518#p86518 :)
20:53	sapier	after switching to xfce it worked instantly
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20:56	PilzAdam	what? 13.04 is out?
20:56	VanessaE	yep.
20:57	sapier	13.04 is 9months support only am I right?
20:57	VanessaE	yeah
20:58	* PilzAdam	never done a distro update
20:58	VanessaE	but it'll be 6 months and then 13.10 will be out, then 14.04 after that, which is good for 5 years or some such
20:58	sapier	I think I'll stay at 12.04 at least for my laptop ... but maybe I switch to wheezy
20:58	VanessaE	PilzAdam: went pretty seamlessly for me just now. 12.04 -> 12.10 -> 13.04 -> update my video driver, done.
20:58	Exio	sapier: switch to wheezy - or testing
20:58	VanessaE	three reboots and a few clicks and that was it.
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20:59	sapier	ubuntu is filled with crapware almost same extent as any sold laptop with windows on it is
20:59	VanessaE	Exio: so which ones are those two? I forget... Debian old, rusty, or broken? :-)
20:59	VanessaE	sapier: I run Xubuntu anyway.
20:59	* PilzAdam	hits the update button
20:59	PilzAdam	ah, now I get the "Update availible" notification
20:59	VanessaE	PilzAdam: OH SHIT! NO!!!!!!!!
20:59	VanessaE	;)
21:00	Exio	VanessaE: say whatever you want,as you are using it with shit on the top
21:00	Exio	er, i mean ubuntu on the top
21:00	PilzAdam	Ill upgrade tomorow
21:00	Exio	:)
21:00	sapier	xubuntu is filled with ubuntus crapware too ... It feels like windows comared to my clean wheezy desktop
21:00	VanessaE	PilzAdam: one note: Update Manager and Jockey both got combined into "Software Updates"
21:00	PilzAdam	I guess its not a good idea to start at 23:00 with a distro upgrade :-)
21:00	PilzAdam	VanessaE, one note: I use Kubuntu
21:00	VanessaE	PilzAdam: if you have a fast machine and 'net connection, it should take you less than an hour
21:01	VanessaE	PilzAdam: oh ok, I guess jockey-kde still works?
21:01	PilzAdam	yes, but I cant go to sleep when something breaks
21:01	VanessaE	heh
21:01	Exio	sleeping
21:01	Calinou	VanessaE, upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04 took me 5 hours to DL and install, to end with apt-get update unusable (because I left PPAs there)
21:01	Exio	what is that?
21:01	Calinou	I was still a linux newbie back then
21:01	Calinou	but still
21:01	Calinou	5 wastes hours
21:01	PilzAdam	Exio, its that thing for n00bs
21:01	Calinou	I ordered a CD through shipit and used it
21:01	Calinou	:P
21:02	Calinou	sapier, ubuntu crapware? you can remove it just fine, I don't use plymouth, blueman, printer applet...
21:02	VanessaE	Calinou: jeez :)
21:02	Exio	lol pacman
21:02	sapier	I don't want to waste hours to clean a fresh installed system ... that feels like windows
21:03	kaeza	PilzAdam, what's the license for your font in signs mod?
21:03	kaeza	wtfpl?
21:03	Exio	rolling releases are, arch isn't unless you want to try some stuff for 10 minutes and so
21:03	PilzAdam	kaeza, probably not
21:03	* PilzAdam	doesnt care; forked from thexyz's mod
21:04	PilzAdam	blame him when something is wrong :-)
21:04	Calinou	sapier, it is worse to have to complete an incomplete system
21:04	Calinou	john_minetest, +1 for rolling releases though.
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21:05	Exio	Calinou: you'll end with a system what is lighter and you will know what you are using
21:05	sapier	imho ubuntu has become crap when they added amazon support ... and don't tell you can read soruce code to find all the other backdoors they might have added
21:06	kaeza	PilzAdam, I found the original site, but does not say anything about licenses >.<
21:06	khonkhortisan	This is your eye test for today: http://www.3dwonderstuff.com/Images/optical_illusions/stereogram_oi_dots_l.jpg
21:06	kaeza	erhm... actually... it says "Freeware"
21:07	kaeza	it also says "you can do whatever you want" O.o
21:07	sapier	wow doxygen on ubuntu "657mb" ... I wonder what depenencys they added
21:07	PilzAdam	khonkhortisan, how do I know if I passed?
21:07	BlockMen	gd n8t everyone
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21:07	sapier	the windows version is hmm 10mb?
21:07	PilzAdam	khonkhortisan, I see yellow squares on green ground, is that right?
21:08	khonkhortisan	Cross your eyes enough that two red circles overlap into one. It should be a checkerboard pattern of circles that are far, and circles that are close.
21:08	khonkhortisan	I see red circles on gray ground
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21:08	khonkhortisan	yay!
21:08	PilzAdam	I would call a doctor if I were you
21:09	Exio	lol
21:09	khonkhortisan	bugs bunny made that joke
21:09	VanessaE	PilzAdam: new builds posted.
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21:10	kaeza	you know what? screw this font. I'll make my own font with blackjack and hookers!
21:10	VanessaE	kaeza: and integrate it into homedecor? ;)
21:10	kaeza	VanessaE, new HUD in firearms :P
21:10	kaeza	I only need the numbers
21:10	PilzAdam	VanessaE, I dont really care
21:11	VanessaE	:P
21:11	PilzAdam	going to sleep; bye
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21:11	kaeza	wow 3 seconds between saying "bye" and leaving
21:11	kaeza	that's a new record Adam!
21:12	Calinou	hi Traxie21... weren't you leaving?
21:12	Traxie21	Tonight, yes
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21:13	Calinou	<PilzAdam> khonkhortisan, I see yellow squares on green ground, is that right? => too much pillz
21:13	Traxie21	Adding a quick kindle-restart script to my server so I can restart it when I hvae internet access
21:13	khonkhortisan	heh
21:14	khonkhortisan	So at least one other person here can see stereograms
21:15	khonkhortisan	That isn't very easy to see. The first thing I see is a circle on the left, then some other edges.
21:15	Calinou	^ too much pillz again
21:15	* Calinou	feels like he is watching an ad about maple syrup or something
21:16	khonkhortisan	You're only missing out on a heightmap
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21:19	VanessaE	and...plantlife modpack updated, now with an abridged flowers called flowers_plus
21:19	VanessaE	(since the main ones are in common/default now)
21:19	VanessaE	er, common/flowers.
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21:20	khonkhortisan	this one has a sloping height http://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/fx_files/14859/1/stereogram.gif
21:21	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: not bad, but maybe a larger sample?
21:22	VanessaE	(for everyone else, that ^^^ is a cross-your-eyes random-dot stereogram)
21:22	khonkhortisan	what do you mean by sample?
21:22	khonkhortisan	er, higher resolution?
21:22	VanessaE	nevermind
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21:25	Calinou	cross-eye? "for those who cannot afford red-cyan glasses but can afford eye strain"
21:25	Calinou	--xonotic
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21:26	Calinou	look at that image from far away VanessaE, you'll see linus torvalds :3
21:26	khonkhortisan	The eye strain is if you're too close
21:26	VanessaE	haha
21:26	Calinou	zsoltisawesome, DAT NAME.
21:26	Calinou	"WswPlayer"
21:27	Calinou	I wonder how good he would be at warsow :p
21:27	zsoltisawesome	huh?
21:27	zsoltisawesome	lol
21:27	zsoltisawesome	i suck at it
21:27	Calinou	hi anyway :) and bye, good night everyone.
21:28	zsoltisawesome	goodnight!
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21:29	zsoltisawesome	ouch
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21:43	kaeza	SOON: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1126528219.jpg
21:45	ShadowNinja	kaeza: Neat! But the crosshair isn't centered quite properly, is that intentional?
21:45	kaeza	maybe
21:45	jojoa1997\|Tablet	YES!!
21:45	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i got tnt mod to work good
21:45	VanessaE	kanic
21:45	VanessaE	kaeza: nice
21:46	VanessaE	kaeza: coming soon, QuakeTest? ;)
21:46	kaeza	ammo counter not working yet; just for display ;)
21:46	kaeza	but each weapon has own crosshair
21:47	kaeza	https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1126828208.jpg
21:48	kaeza	it also reverts back to default crosshair when no weapon is held
21:49	kaeza	now to make the ammo thingy work
21:49	ShadowNinja	Will it use images for the number displays?
21:49	kaeza	they are images :)
21:49	kaeza	a 5x3 font
21:49	kaeza	err... 3x5
21:50	ShadowNinja	Can you specify the size of text on the hud? (I haven't played with it much)
21:51	kaeza	not really :/
21:51	kaeza	the scale param is used for something else
21:52	kaeza	and too much overkill to try to add multiple fonts to HUD code
21:53	ShadowNinja	hmmmm: feature request! It will also be less confusing as scale will actualy be used for scale. This would probably work best with freetype support enabled.
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21:54	kaeza	ShadowNinja, err
21:55	kaeza	scale is used to scale elements
21:55	kaeza	but does not work for text items yet
21:55	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: ew, fuck freetype.
21:56	Exio	wtf kaeza
21:56	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: You prefer a big image with the characters tiled?
21:56	VanessaE	it disables the ability to use bitmap fonts, and I presume the login status is still broken too.
21:57	kaeza	Exio, wtf "wtf kaeza" ?
21:58	Exio	30/150
21:58	Exio	seems... legit
21:59	Exio	client-side prediction for that stuff would be nice
21:59	Exio	well
21:59	Exio	i take the last commits
22:00	Exio	as a bye to my pink crosshair
22:00	kaeza	<kaeza> ammo counter not working yet; just for display ;)
22:00	ssieb	Just wondering if I understand correctly. Flowers are in common and used by build and survival but not minetest_game?
22:01	VanessaE	ssieb: yeah
22:02	ssieb	ok, but I guess it would be easy for me to add it to the list
22:02	ssieb	why wasn't it added there too?
22:02	VanessaE	yeah, just copy it to your regular mods folder if you need to
22:02	VanessaE	dunno
22:05	khonkhortisan	kaeza, I see you have black outlines on your crosshairs. Any luck getting outlines in vanilla?
22:06	kaeza	khonkhortisan, you can just disable default crosshair and use an image
22:06	kaeza	(preferably done by default mod)
22:06	khonkhortisan	But I want the default crosshair with outlines :)
22:07	Exio	kaeza: i still think the C++ way would be beterr
22:07	Exio	better*
22:07	kaeza	just make a cross in a painting program and outline it :)
22:07	kaeza	Exio, erhm... what?
22:08	kaeza	go code client-side prediction then
22:08	Exio	prediction of what?
22:08	khonkhortisan	Can a crosshair image be colored?
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22:09	Exio	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/653
22:09	kaeza	khonkhortisan, it's just an overlaid texture
22:09	Exio	alpha and colorize support - defined by the client
22:10	Exio	i really don't like the thing of lots of things being managed in the server - and "only" it
22:10	jojoa1997\|Tablet	will water ever push players?
22:11	Exio	if you code it
22:11	Exio	:D
22:11	khonkhortisan	I think it still gets the flow direction wrong
22:12	kaeza	khonkhortisan, is this crosshair better? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1128275030.jpg
22:12	khonkhortisan	looks like the node gun
22:12	Exio	lol
22:12	kaeza	:D
22:13	jojoa1997\|Tablet	kaeza maybe get zooming and use real crosshairs
22:14	jojoa1997\|Tablet	and kaeza maybe you should magically put C++ coding in my head
22:14	kaeza	khonkhortisan, you can also do this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_831631201.jpg
22:15	khonkhortisan	Take a screenshot of the default crosshair. From the center, it goes 10 pixels up and left, but only 9 pixels right and down, even though minetest says to draw it equally
22:15	jojoa1997\|Tablet	muwhaha
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22:15	Exio	ffffff
22:15	jojoa1997\|Tablet	kaeza BOOK
22:15	* jojoa1997\|Tablet	gtg DINNER
22:15	khonkhortisan	"The crosshair has been disabled by your administrator"
22:16	* kaeza	has an idea
22:17	Exio	what idea kaeza?
22:17	kaeza	1) get an screenshot of the windows "critical error" dialog, 2) add it in the center of the screen, 3)..., 4) profit
22:17	kaeza	3) ??? *
22:17	Exio	write an ads mod
22:18	hmmmm	setting the font size won't work without freetype.
22:18	hmmmm	kaeza, by the way, just an aside: the convention in Lua API is to return nil on failure, true on success
22:18	hmmmm	hud_change_builtin() had some sort of three-state return value that could be nil, true, or false
22:19	khonkhortisan	anything not nil is success
22:19	kaeza	hmmmm, you are going to rewrite it anyway, so meh
22:20	hmmmm	well yeah
22:20	hmmmm	i just wanted to point that out for future reference
22:20	Exio	ah
22:20	hmmmm	'cause wouldn't that be considered a bug
22:20	Exio	is there anything why isn{t the mouse?sens option in upstream?
22:20	hmmmm	if people assumed that it would only ever return nil on failure but it failed and it didn't return nil
22:21	Exio	er, ' and _
22:21	hmmmm	somebody has a problem with the mouse sensitivity option
22:21	hmmmm	i don't know exio....
22:21	kaeza	I said it earlier today, I'm not touching the engine
22:21	Exio	who hmmmm?
22:21	hmmmm	shrug
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22:21	hmmmm	kaeza, again, you shouldn't be discouraged
22:21	Exio	that seems i'm the only who sucks at C++ and Lua :(
22:22	Exio	(read the and :P)
22:22	hmmmm	i don't mean to step on your work or anything, and usually this doesn't happen...
22:22	hmmmm	but that commit was really rushed for some reason
22:22	hmmmm	no discussion about it
22:22	kaeza	one reason was because the protocol command IDs was wrong (as celeron pointed)
22:23	kaeza	but otherwise I admit I missed that return value bug
22:24	hmmmm	erm
22:25	hmmmm	also just curious, why did you decide to add a client event for this?
22:25	kaeza	well, I have no idea if the thing is thread safe or not
22:25	hmmmm	i should write something in the wiki about this
22:26	kaeza	so I just tried to do what the other HUD stuff did
22:26	hmmmm	the client data is processed in the same thread as the game thread
22:26	hmmmm	yeah, now that i consider it, i don't understand why the HUD stuff did that either
22:26	hmmmm	i should leave that go because it's already been done
22:26	hmmmm	shouldn't be inconsistent
22:27	hmmmm	anyway a client event is intended to be used for things like displaying a menu or what not
22:27	Kacey	http://ifunny.mobi/f/yDgrX2ey seems legit
22:28	kaeza	hmmmm, â†’#-dev ?
22:28	hmmmm	meh
22:28	hmmmm	too late
22:29	hmmmm	oh also one other thing
22:29	hmmmm	you _can_ indeed access the local player from within Client::ProcessData()
22:29	hmmmm	it's simply getEnv().getLocalPlayer();
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22:45	jojoa1997\|Tablet	VanessaE ping
22:45	VanessaE	pung
22:46	jojoa1997\|Tablet	is it okay if i add flowers plus to minitest if minecraft has pots
22:46	* jojoa1997\|Tablet	checking for post now
22:47	VanessaE	sure if you want, but it still depends on plants_lib
22:47	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i already added that
22:47	VanessaE	ok
22:48	jojoa1997\|Tablet	sweet they have lilypads
22:49	jojoa1997\|Tablet	with minitest i might be adding converted texture packs
22:49	jojoa1997\|Tablet	also vanessae with your more trees mod does it allow defining trees easily?
22:49	VanessaE	yes
22:50	VanessaE	it takes about 10 or so lines of code to configure a biome
22:50	VanessaE	and about 20 lines of code to define a tree.
22:50	VanessaE	plants_lib API and minetest engine API describe the process
22:50	VanessaE	(for biomes and tree defs, respectively)
22:51	jojoa1997\|Tablet	WHAT!?!?!?
22:51	jojoa1997\|Tablet	minecraft only has tulips and roses
22:52	VanessaE	oh well :)
22:52	jojoa1997\|Tablet	meh whatever i will add correct stuff when i have time
22:53	VanessaE	screw minecraft, let's workon making minetest better, not "equal".
22:53	jojoa1997\|Tablet	how come you just dont overlay a pot image with flower images
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22:53	jojoa1997\|Tablet	minItest
22:53	VanessaE	minEtest
22:54	VanessaE	you work on minItest.
22:54	VanessaE	and it's because that's how ironzorg did it.
22:54	VanessaE	those are his textures, I saw no reason to change that behavior
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23:21	Kacey	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XjsFILvnjQ
23:23	mauvebic	damn allergies - too bad buckets only hold water and lava :/
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23:26	NakedFury	dammit im suffering Post-No-Sci-fi_series syndrome
23:26	mauvebic	what finished?
23:27	mauvebic	hannibal has a new episode, not exactly scifi, but pretty much the only thing still airing new stuff atm lol
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23:27	NakedFury	what! that already aired? I thought it started in may
23:27	mauvebic	just finished dl'ing the 5th episode
23:27	hmmmm	hey kaeza
23:27	hmmmm	you around? https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/commit/812881a5a65296235da93b722352002a22a4cba6
23:27	hmmmm	do you approve of this?
23:27	mauvebic	the 4th was sliced up and release as a 22min web series
23:28	NakedFury	god what has becomed of me when I axiously await new generic cop shows!!!
23:28	mauvebic	"Electronic Arts Slashes Workforce - The game maker says it's making the move to align its workforce closer to mobile " <-- easier to rip people off through phone bills XD
23:28	hmmmm	if you wanted to disable the crosshair and the healthbar, but not change the other things, you'd do player:hud_set_flags({crosshair=false, healthbar=false})
23:28	mauvebic	ya mean 'law order' ?
23:28	hmmmm	and say you wanted to re-enable the healthbar some time later on
23:29	hmmmm	then player:hud_set_flags({healthbar=true})
23:29	hmmmm	yea? :)
23:29	kaeza	hmmmm, checking
23:29	NakedFury	mauvebic how do you think space battles will happen? static parked ships shooting each other or ships zipping past at thousands of miles per minute barely having time to shoot each other?
23:30	kaeza	hmmmm, will it support a mask as I decribed?
23:30	mauvebic	dont ask me, space battles were so expensive growing up, TNG hardly had em lol
23:30	mauvebic	talking about game space battles?
23:30	hmmmm	if you checked, you'd know the answer is yes
23:30	kaeza	otherwise you would need a getter function
23:30	mauvebic	apart from Homeworld 1 & 2, they mostly suck in all games lol
23:31	NakedFury	well how would you envision them happening. civil war line battles style or moving and zig zaging all over the place with specific windows of opportunity to hit each other
23:31	hmmmm	see here https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/commit/812881a5a65296235da93b722352002a22a4cba6#L8R926
23:31	mauvebic	yeah but, space battles on tv, or games? im a little confused lol
23:31	hmmmm	any flag that is to not be modified is simply not added to the mask
23:32	NakedFury	in real life in a couple of thousands of years maybe
23:32	NakedFury	or just simply in games and shows
23:32	mauvebic	i doubt there will still be competing (human) nations by the time were good enough to arm space ships lol
23:33	mauvebic	and if we ever get that far
23:33	kaeza	hmmmm, have you tested it?
23:33	hmmmm	yes
23:33	kaeza	seems ok to me
23:34	kaeza	except for a small thing
23:34	kaeza	you need to specify what happens when a field is nil in the docs
23:35	kaeza	it's implied, but not very clear
23:35	NakedFury	a friend thinks ships will be parked while shooting each other
23:35	hmmmm	https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/commit/dc8a2c894671e991912a7aa0962ca3a08c90ba20
23:36	kaeza	and lua_api.txt has too much ambiguous stuff in there already
23:36	hmmmm	i think that's a result of the documentation being mostly an afterthought
23:36	kaeza	that looks better :)
23:37	jojoa1997\|Tablet	how can i make a node do something within a random radius were the r is random every time?
23:37	kaeza	hmmmm, will you push that now?
23:37	MinetestBot	GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Generalize hud_builtin_enable into hud_set_flags d3f0ce6224 2013-04-25T16:37:36-07:00 http://git.io/vQt-pQ
23:37	kaeza	too late ;)
23:38	hmmmm	hmm
23:38	kaeza	hmm?
23:39	hmmmm	now if there's any other attributes for a builtin hud that you can think of, we'd add it using that function
23:39	mauvebic	<NakedFury> a friend thinks ships will be parked while shooting each other
23:39	hmmmm	that isn't necessarily setting visibility
23:39	mauvebic	^ im looking forward to seeing what battles are like in warspace
23:40	hmmmm	always need to think of the future when doing something that might break compatibility
23:41	kaeza	I hope there are no shortcomings in those changes then
23:41	hmmmm	of course not
23:41	NakedFury	I like homeworld 2 battles
23:42	mauvebic	me too i especially like the STC and BSG packs
23:42	mauvebic	though i found the limited map sizes frustrating
23:42	mauvebic	they'res not enough space to "take", your basically having running battles
23:42	NakedFury	I havent played in a while, but I like Complex mod and I hate the small size of maps too
23:42	hmmmm	from this, you only gain code cleanliness, needing to send 1 packet instead of 4, and only needing to call one lua api to do what you wanted
23:42	hmmmm	it's a win for everybody
23:43	mauvebic	though there was this other game, looked very similar, but you had colonize planets, though the space battles were considerably worse than homeworld which came out ten years earlier lol
23:44	mauvebic	Sins of the Solar Empire
23:44	mauvebic	my god that sucked lol
23:44	jojoa1997\|Tablet	PENGUINS!!!
23:44	mauvebic	Space Risk would have been more accurate title lol
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23:45	NakedFury	I could never do a lot in Sins. little resources and enemies came in the dozens to my few so very few ships
23:47	NakedFury	gonna check out the Hannibal episode
23:47	NakedFury	other series im watching: Defiance, Davincis Demons and nothing else
23:47	NakedFury	television is dry for future spaceship sci fi
23:48	mauvebic	im keeping up with revolution, SVU and hannibal mostly
23:48	mauvebic	with limited likes its hardly worth a cable bill lol
23:49	mauvebic	rumours that netflix might pick up Jericho for new season(s)
23:49	NakedFury	SVU?
23:50	NakedFury	why pay cable when episodes are online in 1 hour? but then who watches the show for raising the ratings and not having it cancelled!
23:50	mauvebic	aka law & order perverts
23:51	mauvebic	i love how that show they always secure 2-3 more confessions than there are suspects lol
23:51	NakedFury	yep
23:51	NakedFury	and the: tun tun! Fifth street apartment C
23:51	mauvebic	dunno if its some subtle joke on how confessions are unreliable lol
23:52	NakedFury	I prefer psych, bones, and castle for my cop show fix
23:52	mauvebic	dont know any of those lol but i remember L&O going a long way back lol my mother watched the original series from the start lol
23:53	NakedFury	psych is for cop show and comedy fix
23:53	NakedFury	bones and castle would be more normal serious
23:53	mauvebic	comedy? hmm, since frasier went off the air, new comedies just haven't been that funny
23:54	mauvebic	especially hate those fucking cut-scenes where they talk directly to camera
23:54	mauvebic	that started with Parker Lewis Can't Lose
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23:55	NakedFury	well the protagonist is a white 30 something male from Santa Barbara USA. since childhood his father, a cop, trained him to look, always look and memorize, like photographic memory or whatever its called. Because of some situation he passes himself as a psychic and his best friend a 30 something shaved head black male from a pharmaceutical job helps him
23:55	NakedFury	they goof off a lot
23:56	NakedFury	wow no spoilers and a good description of the show
23:56	mauvebic	meh, i already have photographic memory and its not all that great when the weird dreams come lol
23:56	NakedFury	XD
23:57	NakedFury	he uses it and his observant nature plus bluffs to pass as the pshycic, fuck how do I write this word dammit
23:57	mauvebic	psychic
23:57	mauvebic	i think
23:58	mauvebic	neither of us are native enlish and god knows the anglos themselves can't spell so who cares lol
23:58	NakedFury	I like spelling the correct words. helps me if I ever decide in some unknown future to become a science fiction english writter
23:59	mauvebic	oh god, only if you like not having stable work :p
23:59	mauvebic	besides if its anything like BSG, you get to make new (swear) words lol

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