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khonkhortisan |
Kacey, functions are and anything cool that can freeze the server is disabled |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
jordan4ipbanez ping |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
lol from how much he has added to minetest look at his posts http://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=4908 |
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NakedFury |
he needs 1 more to take him seriously |
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kaeza |
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_doomtest.jpg |
| 01:06 |
kaeza |
:D |
| 01:10 |
jordan4ibanez |
I think minetest has started to have too many politics involved |
| 01:10 |
* jojoa1997|Tablet |
gives kaeza a hug |
| 01:10 |
jordan4ibanez |
I can't load that image, can you imgur it |
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kaeza |
http://imgur.com/wqJaBg7 |
| 01:13 |
jordan4ibanez |
hmmmm how is this coming along? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=85422#p85422 |
| 01:13 |
jordan4ibanez |
OH MY GOD that's awesome |
| 01:13 |
jordan4ibanez |
Can I submit it to user-submitted? :D |
| 01:14 |
Kacey |
http://ifunny.mobi/f/eSnH1PDy I KNEW IT WAS TRUE!!! |
| 01:15 |
ShadowNinja |
Kacey: lol |
| 01:15 |
Pentium44 |
Bye all |
| 01:15 |
kaeza |
jordan4ibanez, ofc :D |
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| 01:16 |
ShadowNinja |
jordan4ibanez: he thought of looking at how terasology did it in -dev. |
| 01:16 |
kaeza |
jordan4ibanez, BTW, It's done with HUD API + this: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/679 |
| 01:16 |
drizz |
Kacey: that doesn't make any sense :/ |
| 01:17 |
Kacey |
drizz, wires are fourth dimensional little buggers |
| 01:17 |
drizz |
oh, yeah, I definitely get the point |
| 01:18 |
khonkhortisan |
That's actually true |
| 01:18 |
khonkhortisan |
Except for when they get tangled, you have to slot rotate just to do the other transformation |
| 01:18 |
drizz |
but rotating it in 3-dimension space wouldn't necessarily move it in a 4th dimension |
| 01:20 |
drizz |
it's totally plausible that there's a quantum-reaction going on there, though. |
| 01:20 |
Kacey |
lol |
| 01:20 |
drizz |
it's clearly in two different states at once |
| 01:21 |
jordan4ibanez |
The only applicable use for that kaeza is if you make an arcade machine, change the users HUD, teleport them into the sky above the clouds, generate a doom map, and spawn mobs then when the level is over, freeze the player in place, load up the next level, until the player dies |
| 01:22 |
* Kacey |
wishes he could convince a midget to put on a leprechaun costume and run down the street yelling "THEY"RE AFTER ME LUCKY CHARMS!" |
| 01:27 |
kaeza |
jordan4ibanez, you can do tons of interesting stuff you couldn't before with the Lua HUD |
| 01:27 |
jordan4ibanez |
HMMMM |
| 01:27 |
kaeza |
(or at least, stuff that didn't look well) |
| 01:27 |
kaeza |
+before |
| 01:27 |
jordan4ibanez |
Can I make a cat dancing? |
| 01:27 |
kaeza |
yep |
| 01:27 |
jordan4ibanez |
Can I have gui buttons? |
| 01:27 |
ShadowNinja |
lol |
| 01:27 |
kaeza |
erhm... GUI buttons? |
| 01:28 |
kaeza |
and how do you plan to click them? |
| 01:28 |
ShadowNinja |
You could before, formspecs |
| 01:28 |
jordan4ibanez |
2 steps forward, one step back |
| 01:28 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 01:28 |
jordan4ibanez |
I don't know, incorperate them into the normal gui, and when the inventory formspec is brought up, make them clickable |
| 01:29 |
kaeza |
gl;hf with that |
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| 01:30 |
Kacey |
To avoid parking tickets keep your windshield wipers on high |
| 01:30 |
jordan4ibanez |
Good idea |
| 01:30 |
khonkhortisan |
To scare the cop away, put them on low |
| 01:31 |
kaeza |
http://ifunny.mobi/p/A7DdOKMg |
| 01:34 |
Kacey |
http://youtu.be/qnydFmqHuVo |
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| 01:39 |
Kacey |
If you seen me running through the school with all the teachers chasing me, what would you think I did? |
| 01:41 |
AshleyWaffle |
Kacey: played Minetest |
| 01:41 |
AshleyWaffle |
in class |
| 01:41 |
AshleyWaffle |
that's what I'd do |
| 01:41 |
Kacey |
lol no i always do that |
| 01:41 |
AshleyWaffle |
both the running and the playing |
| 01:41 |
AshleyWaffle |
lol |
| 01:41 |
AshleyWaffle |
high school? |
| 01:43 |
Kacey |
middle still |
| 01:43 |
Kacey |
almost highschool though |
| 01:43 |
Kacey |
and it's funny |
| 01:44 |
Kacey |
the high school i am going to is called East High |
| 01:44 |
Kacey |
which is where HSM is located |
| 01:52 |
AshleyWaffle |
ah |
| 01:53 |
AshleyWaffle |
Kacey: you killed someone? you hid drugs? what? |
| 01:53 |
Kacey |
idk |
| 01:53 |
AshleyWaffle |
0_o |
| 01:53 |
Kacey |
probably something really stupid |
| 01:53 |
Kacey |
lol had the best moment in the office ever |
| 01:54 |
Kacey |
some kid broke a door and put it through a wall |
| 01:54 |
Kacey |
so, of course they choose the kid with the anger issues, they pull ME into the office |
| 01:54 |
Kacey |
once they explained what happened, i couldn't stop laughing |
| 01:55 |
Kacey |
so they asked me, "did you do it?" "no" "then why are you laughing" "because whoever did is a freaking legend!" |
| 01:57 |
drizz |
eh.. |
| 01:57 |
drizz |
how old are you? |
| 02:01 |
AshleyWaffle |
drizz: young enough to be treated as elligible for age discriminatory imprisonment |
| 02:01 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
dun dun DUN . . . |
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jordan4ibanez |
kaeza, how does the gui thing work? |
| 02:17 |
VanessaE |
hi all. |
| 02:17 |
VanessaE |
someone tell Jordach that I wouldn't refuse a wedding anniversary gift in the form of a large sum of cash, as long as he has money to blow. ;) |
| 02:18 |
kaeza |
jordan4ibanez, it's documented in lua_api.txt |
| 02:18 |
VanessaE |
regarding that doom HUD screeshot. is that real or photoshopped? |
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kaeza1 |
VanessaE, real |
| 02:21 |
kaeza1 |
using the new align options in the HUD API |
| 02:21 |
kaeza1 |
(if they are merged that is) |
| 02:21 |
kaeza1 |
jordan4ibanez, see this: https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-kaeza_misc/tree/master/crosshair_ex |
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| 02:22 |
VanessaE |
neat |
| 02:22 |
kaeza1 |
VanessaE, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/679 |
| 02:24 |
VanessaE |
nice |
| 02:24 |
jordan4ibanez |
http://pastie.org/pastes/7700744/text?key=awdawhymujd2c6yuje0ha |
| 02:24 |
jordan4ibanez |
simple server-side double tap running |
| 02:26 |
jordan4ibanez |
It's quite efficient, if we could set the FOV it would be even better |
| 02:27 |
kaeza |
+1 |
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| 02:30 |
kaeza |
jordan4ibanez, that is cool |
| 02:31 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
what is |
| 02:31 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
and doea not_in_creative_inventory=0 mean it is? |
| 02:31 |
kaeza |
it would be awesome if you could add some kind of stamina (with an optional HUD bar) |
| 02:32 |
kaeza |
jojoa1997|Tablet, it means what it says |
| 02:32 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: now, you think you're so fancy-schmancy, make that Doom HUD display actually *work* :D |
| 02:32 |
jordan4ibanez |
Thank you, and I was planning on adding hunger and thirst and energy, but right now I am too lazy |
| 02:32 |
NakedFury |
then add a lazy bar! |
| 02:32 |
kaeza |
jordan4ibanez, can I add that to survival_modpack? with credits of course |
| 02:33 |
jordan4ibanez |
Yes |
| 02:33 |
kaeza |
NakedFury, lol |
| 02:33 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, SOON |
| 02:33 |
kaeza |
DOOM* |
| 02:33 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 02:34 |
kaeza |
I just got an idea...I can add an Ammo HUD to firearms :D |
| 02:34 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
YESYESYES |
| 02:35 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
jordan that is getting added to minitest under the name sprint |
| 02:36 |
jordan4ibanez |
I could add a lazy bar, the longer you go afk, the slower your player goes, and you need to walk around for your player to become un-lazy and fast again |
| 02:37 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
stamina |
| 02:37 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
jordan how do i sprint? |
| 02:37 |
kaeza |
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37200246.jpg |
| 02:38 |
NakedFury |
no lazy bar works this way: the more you do stuff the more it fills. when it is full your character goes on a lazyness rampage. he wont work or bathe or eat. or he will do is piss, crap, and sit on the sofa or bed |
| 02:38 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
kaeza +1 |
| 02:39 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
jordan how do i sprint |
| 02:39 |
kaeza |
double-tap up |
| 02:39 |
kaeza |
('W') |
| 02:39 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
do i set it to true? |
| 02:40 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
nvm figured it out |
| 02:40 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
jordan maybe some bobbing would be nice |
| 02:40 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 02:46 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i just ran across a desert |
| 02:46 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
6 minutes with sprint |
| 02:50 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
kaeza release doomtest |
| 02:51 |
kaeza |
lol "release doomtest" |
| 02:51 |
kaeza |
hmm... |
| 02:51 |
NakedFury |
it doesnt have anything to do with the doom games right? |
| 02:51 |
* kaeza |
is going to freedoom project for images |
| 02:52 |
kaeza |
NakedFury, you don't like Doom? :( |
| 02:52 |
NakedFury |
no |
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| 02:53 |
kaeza |
hehe |
| 02:53 |
kaeza |
the doomtest image was just a joke |
| 02:54 |
kaeza |
but actually, I'm planning to do a full FPS-oriented game mode later |
| 02:54 |
kaeza |
(I mean a real FPS, not that AoS crap) |
| 02:54 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
AoS? |
| 02:55 |
kaeza |
Ace Of Spades |
| 02:59 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Ace Of Spades? |
| 03:01 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
!g Ace Of Spades |
| 03:01 |
MinetestBot |
jojoa1997|Tablet: http://ace.mu.nu/ |
| 03:01 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
oh very nice |
| 03:01 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
" Bioengineered yeast can synthesize malaria drug" |
| 03:13 |
drizz |
... just in case you have any excess yeast you don't know what to do with.. O.o |
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kaeza |
jojoa1997|Tablet, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_of_Spades_(video_game) |
| 03:19 |
jordan4ibanez |
Goodnight peoples |
| 03:19 |
VanessaE |
bbl, gonna try to get some sleep |
| 03:19 |
VanessaE |
night. |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
I need sleep too night all |
| 03:32 |
kaeza |
nite |
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kaeza |
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7340661248/h01F5887F/ |
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Pentium44 |
ShadowNinja, here |
| 04:21 |
ShadowNinja |
Pentium44: well is there something you wanted to tell me? |
| 04:22 |
Pentium44 |
no, I was just saying hi |
| 04:22 |
ShadowNinja |
OK, well hi :-) |
| 04:23 |
Pentium44 |
8) |
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ShadowNinja |
OldCoder: I see you arn't using sasl anymore |
| 04:31 |
VanessaE |
*sigh* |
| 04:32 |
VanessaE |
sleep, why do you evade me? :( |
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khonkhortisan |
You're on here |
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OldCoder |
Hi |
| 05:35 |
OldCoder |
Who paged? |
| 05:35 |
VanessaE |
not I |
| 05:35 |
VanessaE |
but hi anyway :) |
| 05:35 |
OldCoder |
ShadowBot, I am using it |
| 05:35 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, hi |
| 05:35 |
OldCoder |
ShadowNinja, ^ |
| 05:36 |
OldCoder |
If it did not work |
| 05:36 |
OldCoder |
I will need to debug it later; too tired atm |
| 06:11 |
VanessaE |
zzz |
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[0gb_us] |
yyy |
| 06:14 |
kaeza |
xxx |
| 06:14 |
kaeza |
crap |
| 06:14 |
[0gb_us] |
www |
| 06:14 |
[0gb_us] |
WHat happened? |
| 06:15 |
kaeza |
no-www.org |
| 06:15 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 06:15 |
kaeza |
xxx == ? |
| 06:15 |
[0gb_us] |
Oh, nice. Active again. |
| 06:16 |
[0gb_us] |
== three of the same letter? |
| 06:16 |
khonkhortisan |
vvv |
| 06:16 |
[0gb_us] |
uuu |
| 06:17 |
kaeza |
ssspppaaammm http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86009#p86009 |
| 06:17 |
[0gb_us] |
Back when I had a site, I used on of those no-www.org icons on my site. |
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khonkhortisan |
The story's not believable, and I don't know what it is |
| 06:35 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: commited to minetest/minetest: Added offset support for HUD items 9894167bbf 2013-04-22T23:34:11-07:00 http://git.io/jJeINw |
| 06:38 |
kaeza |
thank you "" |
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ShadowNinja |
kaeza: MinetestBot only shows one of the commits, ShadowBot shows both, and a lot faster :-) |
| 06:41 |
[0gb_us] |
Both commits and what other thing? |
| 06:42 |
ShadowNinja |
You mean the other commit? |
| 06:42 |
ShadowNinja |
That was annother hud related one by kaeza |
| 06:43 |
ShadowNinja |
Bye! |
| 06:43 |
[0gb_us] |
Oh, sorry. I misread your statement, ShadowNinja. |
| 06:43 |
[0gb_us] |
Bye. |
| 06:43 |
kaeza |
ok, now on to something else |
| 06:43 |
kaeza |
cya Shadow |
| 06:45 |
kaeza |
ok, added a new stupid crosshair mod to my 'misc' stuff |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Add option to not prepend "Server -!- " to messages sent with minetest.chat_send_player() 3d4d0cb574 2013-04-22T23:47:08-07:00 http://git.io/qE6o0w |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Add minetest.get_player_ip() 4a9b8aae5e 2013-04-22T23:57:45-07:00 http://git.io/EqzIsA |
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| 07:01 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: DAMN you didn't waste any time :) |
| 07:01 |
kaeza |
hm? |
| 07:02 |
VanessaE |
the HUD positioning patch goes in and 20 mins later, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86012#p86012 |
| 07:03 |
kaeza |
:D |
| 07:03 |
kaeza |
I had that into the modpack a while ago |
| 07:03 |
kaeza |
(since yesterday I think) |
| 07:03 |
VanessaE |
who am I to talk though? I pushed changed to HDX within seconds of their respective features being patched in :) |
| 07:03 |
VanessaE |
changes* |
| 07:03 |
kaeza |
hah |
| 07:04 |
kaeza |
I do see your stuff sometimes even before the actual patches :P |
| 07:04 |
VanessaE |
hehe |
| 07:04 |
VanessaE |
I like to try to stay current |
| 07:05 |
celeron55 |
MinetestBot's messages are wrong |
| 07:05 |
celeron55 |
it says "committed", but displays the author's name, not the committer's name |
| 07:05 |
celeron55 |
git commits always have an author and a committer |
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celeron55 |
i |
| 07:06 |
celeron55 |
*i'd maybe make the bot say "<author>/<committer> in minetest/minetest: ..." |
| 07:07 |
celeron55 |
maximum information in the same space |
| 07:07 |
celeron55 |
i guess that goes to sfan5|OFF |
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VanessaE |
new deb packages posted. |
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VanessaE |
bbl |
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| 08:39 |
Issa |
hé how are u |
| 08:40 |
Issa |
can u have workcompilation of minetest on codeblock on windows ? |
| 08:43 |
kaeza |
I guess so |
| 08:44 |
kaeza |
I use CodeBlocks myself under Linux and it works OK; I don't see why there should be a problem on Windows |
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kaeza |
I assume you have MinGW32? |
| 08:45 |
kaeza |
Issa, ^ |
| 08:45 |
Issa |
yes |
| 08:46 |
kaeza |
use this command to configure the build system: cmake . -G "CodeBlocks - Unix Makefiles" |
| 08:47 |
kaeza |
(add other options of course) |
| 08:47 |
kaeza |
err... |
| 08:47 |
kaeza |
s/Unix/MSYS/ |
| 08:48 |
kaeza |
I'm not familiar with the CMake UI, but there should be an option to select a generator somewhere |
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kaeza |
derp, whatever |
| 08:55 |
Issa |
kaeza, how i import it on codblocks |
| 08:55 |
kaeza |
open the generated minetest.cbp file |
| 08:56 |
kaeza |
btw "derp, whatever" == wrong channel lol |
| 08:56 |
Issa |
no cbp files on the source |
| 08:57 |
kaeza |
did you configure the build system as I said? |
| 08:57 |
kaeza |
I can't remember if it's MSYS or MinGW |
| 08:59 |
kaeza |
you could try waiting a bit and asking PilzAdam or sfan5 to make a Windows build for you |
| 09:00 |
Issa |
i want compile mySelf |
| 09:00 |
Issa |
and change source code and compile myself |
| 09:01 |
kaeza |
err... I figured |
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Issa |
ok i wait PilsAdam |
| 09:02 |
kaeza |
BTW, "há"... |
| 09:02 |
kaeza |
do you speak spanish? |
| 09:11 |
kaeza |
Xenorax, beat you to it http://imgur.com/wqJaBg7 |
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* kaeza |
will prolly modify PilzAdam's simple mobs to add Marines and Imps |
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* ShadowBot |
wakes up |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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Zeg9 |
Hi PilzAdam |
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PilzAdam |
new windows build: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547 |
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Calinou |
http://dev.minetest.net/mg_flags => feel free to contribute to |
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Calinou |
not very complete right now but much better than nothing |
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Issa |
Calinou what means this flags, please |
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PilzAdam |
Calinou, note: use {{DISPLAYTITLE:mg_flags}} to have the "_" in the header correctly |
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iqualfragile |
hi PilzAdam |
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kaeza |
chromium is being a bitch lately |
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kaeza |
locking up way too often |
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kaeza |
hai Jordach |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
Kaeza how is hud going |
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kaeza |
jojoa1997|Tablet, it's already in master |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
is there a weild item texture |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
maker |
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kaeza |
wut |
| 11:06 |
kaeza |
jojoa1997|Tablet, download my "misc stuff" modpack and check the crosshair_ex mod |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
anyone have a link to what ius meantioned here? http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-04-22 |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
kaeza sphax could use that mod with his texture pack |
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kaeza |
jojoa1997|Tablet, the mods in the misc stuff pack is experimental or testing stuff; feel free to copy the code and/or textures and create your one based on it |
| 11:09 |
kaeza |
these are no real mods |
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PilzAdam |
kaeza, btw, my new win build contains your HUD changes |
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kaeza |
PilzAdam, :D |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
so it is wtfpl |
| 11:10 |
PilzAdam |
just in case people ask |
| 11:10 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
though i will give credit of course |
| 11:10 |
kaeza |
jojoa1997|Tablet, WTFPL |
| 11:10 |
kaeza |
so do... what the fuck you want with it :) |
| 11:11 |
kaeza |
of course credit is welcome, but not required |
| 11:11 |
PilzAdam |
WTFPL in Minetest is actually really funny, because everyone will shout at you if you dont see it as "CC BY-SA" :-) |
| 11:11 |
PilzAdam |
(in mods, that is) |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
Not me |
| 11:11 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
everything i do is WTFPL |
| 11:12 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
also AMAZING! http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3162 |
| 11:12 |
kaeza |
PilzAdam, I won't shout at someone for a couple of lines :P |
| 11:12 |
kaeza |
(both of code and graphically) |
| 11:12 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
kaeza your code is now mine :) |
| 11:12 |
kaeza |
go ahead :) |
| 11:12 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
and i made it >.> |
| 11:12 |
PilzAdam |
wielditem editors are pretty obsolete since we have mesh support now |
| 11:12 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
jk |
| 11:12 |
Zeg9 |
*interruption time* is there any callback when a block/node is loaded? |
| 11:12 |
kaeza |
wut |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
pilzadam but i need to make items |
| 11:13 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i mean Zeg9 |
| 11:13 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
node boxes |
| 11:13 |
PilzAdam |
Zeg9, nope.avi |
| 11:13 |
Zeg9 |
Okay |
| 11:13 |
Zeg9 |
Guess I'll have to use an ABM then :P |
| 11:13 |
PilzAdam |
that would be very slow |
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PilzAdam |
even worse than on_generated() |
| 11:14 |
PilzAdam |
its like a on_generated() that is called everytime some walks near the block |
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kaeza |
PilzAdam, mesh as wielditems? |
| 11:15 |
kaeza |
meshes* |
| 11:15 |
kaeza |
or did I read wrong? |
| 11:15 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i am using it for stuff like cacti or other things |
| 11:15 |
PilzAdam |
wielditems were abused when we had no mesh support, to have 3D mobs |
| 11:16 |
PilzAdam |
well, the wielditem drawtype for entities |
| 11:16 |
kaeza |
ah lol, got that the other way around |
| 11:16 |
PilzAdam |
its still useful for nodeboxes |
| 11:17 |
PilzAdam |
but its really 1337 to make them without an editor :-p |
| 11:18 |
kaeza |
BTW, you can simulate better wielditems in some way by positioning an image HUD item over where the "hand" would be and using an empty wielditem texture |
| 11:18 |
kaeza |
(though no bobbing/movement/whatever of course) |
| 11:18 |
PilzAdam |
btw, I want doom 1-3 ported to Minetest |
| 11:18 |
PilzAdam |
(saw your screenshots in -dev) |
| 11:19 |
kaeza |
lol I meant that as a joke, but now I'm starting to get interested in that |
| 11:19 |
Calinou |
moreblocks is fixed! |
| 11:19 |
PilzAdam |
you dont have to simulate bullet entities, just instant damage |
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kaeza |
maybe change golems' textures from simple mobs to marines/imps |
| 11:19 |
Calinou |
#markshuttleworthstyle |
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* PilzAdam |
banned Calinou from #markshuttleworthstyle |
| 11:22 |
PilzAdam |
>:-) |
| 11:23 |
Calinou |
There are several ways to flip Stairs+ nodes: |
| 11:23 |
Calinou |
- using a screwdriver |
| 11:23 |
Calinou |
- placing them in the crafting grid to cycle between normal/flipped/inverted/wall modes |
| 11:23 |
Calinou |
- placing them on a ceiling (inverted mode) |
| 11:23 |
Calinou |
- yelling "Hey stair/slab/panel/microblock, flip yourself!". No, that one doesn't work. |
| 11:24 |
PilzAdam |
do you report the direction you choose to amazon? |
| 11:24 |
Calinou |
yes, it is secured through HTTPS, so there is nothing to worry about |
| 11:25 |
Calinou |
the next version of more blocks will also report the kind of stair you use (normal, half, alternative) to eBay |
| 11:25 |
Calinou |
:p |
| 11:25 |
PilzAdam |
mark shuttleworth style Copyright (c) 2012-2013 Calinou |
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iqualfragile |
oh dear |
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iqualfragile |
i dont think that that old nodebox thing is good |
| 11:28 |
iqualfragile |
i know that there is some kind of 3d model thing in developmet but i will just assume it has security problems |
| 11:28 |
iqualfragile |
lets start an own 3d models thing |
| 11:32 |
Calinou |
security problems, lol |
| 11:39 |
kaeza1 |
dang |
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kaeza1 |
IMHO line_of_sight(pos1,pos2,stepsize) should return the position of the thing |
| 11:40 |
kaeza1 |
+that "blocks" the LOS |
| 11:41 |
kaeza1 |
(or better yet, the object in a format similar to pointed_thing) |
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* Kacey |
is all dressed up |
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kaeza |
oh well... will have to find a workaround then |
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PilzAdam |
kaeza, just do the same that line_of_sight() does, go in little steps forward until you hit something |
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kaeza |
that is slooooow |
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kaeza |
but see no other choice |
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PilzAdam |
you could just check for objects and run line_of_sight() afterwards |
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PilzAdam |
so the node checking part isnt needed anymore |
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Kacey |
bbl |
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kaeza |
hmm |
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* Calinou |
is trying to load a 256× pack in MC |
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Calinou |
29.6% of my RAM used |
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Calinou |
by MC only |
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Calinou |
PilzAdam: why are wielditems hard to make without an editor? you just make a texture and it is extruded, no? |
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PilzAdam |
we were talking about wielditem drawtype for entities, wich uses nodeboxes |
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Calinou |
ah |
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PilzAdam |
also: Beds Mod update! the player lays in the bed now and cant walk away |
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Calinou |
pack doesn't load :( reverting to 128x |
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kaeza |
vvl |
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kaeza |
bbl* |
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kaeza |
lol |
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Calinou |
minetest with 256x pack on a server: 1.8GB -- minecraft with 128x pack on a server: 350MB |
| 12:18 |
Calinou |
java, quand tu nous tiens |
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Calinou |
oops, it's the other way around |
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Calinou |
1.8GB for MC and 350MB for MT |
| 12:20 |
PilzAdam |
oh, wow, hes so uber pro! I cant believe it, he owns us all: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86040#p86040 |
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ruskie |
lol |
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* Calinou |
packs that topic in his hand |
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* Calinou |
throws his hand into trash |
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Calinou |
(yes) |
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* Zeg9 |
has got a nice error :D |
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Zeg9 |
14:21:25: ERROR[main]: ServerError: LuaError: error: (null) |
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Zeg9 |
14:21:25: ERROR[main]: stack traceback: |
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PilzAdam |
print(nil)? |
| 12:24 |
PilzAdam |
that has some really strange error messages |
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[0gb_us] |
Hmm. At least that's better than my latest error message, which is no error message at all. The server just quits. |
| 12:25 |
Zeg9 |
No, if pos1 == pos2 (sorta) |
| 12:25 |
Zeg9 |
or it is the table.remove just after. I'll try. |
| 12:26 |
PilzAdam |
the best error messages come up in if conditions |
| 12:26 |
PilzAdam |
pretty much un-debugable |
| 12:26 |
Zeg9 |
Then I tried to restart the world (singleplayer) and had a segfault :D |
| 12:26 |
Zeg9 |
Apparently, it was not from pos1 == pos2, but from the table.remove... |
| 12:27 |
PilzAdam |
table.revmoce(nil, nil, nil, {nil, nil, nil})? |
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PilzAdam |
*remove |
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Zeg9 |
I guess I know what's the problem |
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Zeg9 |
I'm removing something from a table while I'm iterating through it. |
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Zeg9 |
Shame on me... |
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Zeg9 |
Oh, and I forgot to write ipairs(), too |
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sfan5 |
PilzAdam: print(nil) prints "nil" |
| 12:40 |
PilzAdam |
no, it crashes |
| 12:40 |
sfan5 |
since when? |
| 12:40 |
PilzAdam |
print(dump(nil)) prints nil |
| 12:40 |
sfan5 |
thats because dump crashes, not print |
| 12:40 |
[0gb_us] |
Yeah, whenever I print(nil), it crashes. |
| 12:41 |
PilzAdam |
print() only accepts strings, and dump() converts nil into a string |
| 12:41 |
[0gb_us] |
print(dump(nil)) works fine. |
| 12:41 |
PilzAdam |
normal lua has automatically calls print(dump()) when you call print() |
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PilzAdam |
Minetest doesnt |
| 12:42 |
sfan5 |
TIL that you can select some text then press "quick quote" and it'll quote that text |
| 12:42 |
[0gb_us] |
So in Minetest, print(5) should crash? |
| 12:43 |
[0gb_us] |
Because five isn't a string, I mean. |
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* ShadowBot |
sleeps |
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PilzAdam |
ummm |
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celeron55 |
i think lua will convert between numbers and string as needed |
| 12:43 |
PilzAdam |
dunno, test it |
| 12:43 |
celeron55 |
but not between anything else |
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celeron55 |
(anything else being table, nil, true and false) |
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[0gb_us] |
I know it doesn't convert tables, I've mistakenly passed them to print() before when I thought the variable contained something else. I haven't tried booleans. |
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[0gb_us] |
I'll probably test tomorrow, too much homework today. |
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KikaRz |
Hellow! |
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KikaRz |
DAMN HOST1FREEE!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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KikaRz |
:@@@@@ |
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[0gb_us] |
WHat did they do? |
| 13:38 |
KikaRz |
Recused my VPS |
| 13:39 |
KikaRz |
I can send you the email. |
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[0gb_us] |
They challenged your VPS? |
| 13:40 |
KikaRz |
http://pastebin.com/jM1WD3nM |
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KikaRz |
? No |
| 13:40 |
KikaRz |
I've done an application to have a VPS, and they Refused. |
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KikaRz |
or was not approved |
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[0gb_us] |
Ah. You said "recused", which means challenged. |
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KikaRz |
Lawl |
| 13:45 |
KikaRz |
Well, can you help me? |
| 13:45 |
KikaRz |
I want one free VPS, and I can't find anywhere. |
| 13:49 |
KikaRz |
Someone can help me??? :'( |
| 13:49 |
KikaRz |
VanessaE, are you there sweetheart? |
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[0gb_us] |
Sorry, I don't know where to get free VPS. |
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* PilzAdam |
knows where you can get a free VPS for 3 months |
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PilzAdam |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5718 |
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KikaRz |
For 3 months? -.- |
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KikaRz |
i want forever. |
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KikaRz |
128MB Ram at least. |
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KikaRz |
PilzAdam |
| 14:18 |
PilzAdam |
I want a new PC with 1024 GiB RAM; 10 TB SSD and a couple of 8 core i7 |
| 14:18 |
PilzAdam |
for free |
| 14:19 |
KikaRz |
... |
| 14:21 |
KikaRz |
Really... Tell me please, one free vps |
| 14:22 |
PilzAdam |
+ a ISP that gives me 10 GiB/s IPv6 internet connection |
| 14:22 |
PilzAdam |
for free |
| 14:22 |
[0gb_us] |
If he doesn't know one,he doesn't know one. Saying "please" won't help. |
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KikaRz |
... |
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KikaRz |
Stupid host1free. |
| 14:26 |
[0gb_us] |
I'm not sure how they can afford to give free VPS. |
| 14:26 |
[0gb_us] |
You can't really expect that sort of thing. |
| 14:27 |
[0gb_us] |
It's not like with software, where making 1024 copies has the same cost as making only one. |
| 14:31 |
[0gb_us] |
I've looked at mapgen version seven. It's much less realistic. Personally, I don't really care, as I'm not wanting realism, but most people seem to be pushing for greater realism. So why are they so exited about more a fantastical mapgen? The contradiction confuses me. |
| 14:35 |
jordan4ibanez |
Because the mapgen is |
| 14:35 |
jordan4ibanez |
FUCKING BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
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jordan4ibanez |
ring |
| 14:35 |
[0gb_us] |
Boring and REALISTIC. |
| 14:36 |
jordan4ibanez |
It looks like god took a sledgehammer and smashed the earth, where are the nice curves? |
| 14:36 |
jordan4ibanez |
V7 looks more realistic |
| 14:36 |
PilzAdam |
[0gb_us], Minetest has not the goal to be realistic at all |
| 14:37 |
sokomine |
mostly i want intresting scenery for my singleplayer world - that is, rich plantlife, animals, diffrent biomes (snow does well already; swamp is far too slow) - a world worth exploring with much to play in |
| 14:37 |
[0gb_us] |
The new mapgen looks like abstract art. No realism at all. |
| 14:37 |
sokomine |
can't tell yet |
| 14:37 |
[0gb_us] |
PilzAdam: I'm not after realism, I'm trying to figure out why the people that DO want realism are ALSO exited about unrealistic mapgen. |
| 14:38 |
jordan4ibanez |
It's because the mapgen is realistic, maybe you are very used to cities where the terrain is horribly sculpted |
| 14:38 |
PilzAdam |
who wants realisms and is exited about mg v7? |
| 14:38 |
PilzAdam |
-s |
| 14:38 |
[0gb_us] |
I want to understand their train of thought. That is all. I like the new mapgen, but I'm also not after realism, and never was. |
| 14:38 |
sokomine |
what we need regarding mapgen are more flat areas between the scenery i think. places where people can build. there are some locations like this...mostly on top of steep cliffs |
| 14:38 |
jordan4ibanez |
Just remember: Minetest's mapgen takes place where NO ONE else was before, so the terrain is 100% unlandscaped |
| 14:38 |
jordan4ibanez |
it needs to be smooth and natural like in v7 mapgen |
| 14:38 |
[0gb_us] |
I build on and under slopes with no dificulty. |
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| 14:39 |
jordan4ibanez |
current mapgen looks like the remains of an old civilization that had a nuclear war |
| 14:39 |
[0gb_us] |
jordan4ibanez: V7 is LESS natural, not more. |
| 14:39 |
sokomine |
hm :-) if there where ruins all over the map, that might be quite intresting... |
| 14:40 |
sokomine |
on the other hand...just let some unskilled players place some cobble constructions, add a few griefers -> indistinguishable from ruins |
| 14:40 |
[0gb_us] |
The dungeons look like ruins to me. |
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jordan4ibanez |
I am looking at v7 mapgen and it all looks very realistic, can you show me a pic which does not? |
| 14:48 |
sokomine |
perhaps it's a question of seed |
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[0gb_us] |
Look at the oddly-shaped mountains in any of PilzAdam's screenshots. |
| 14:53 |
celeron55 |
i do think there should be more flat areas |
| 14:53 |
[0gb_us] |
Also, I always use seed zero, and there is an odd cave in an odd mountain near (but not at) the center of the map. |
| 14:54 |
celeron55 |
also i think there should be higher mountains, different kinds of bodies of water and so on |
| 14:54 |
celeron55 |
in addition to what we have no |
| 14:54 |
celeron55 |
now* |
| 14:54 |
Jordach |
celeron55, rivers |
| 14:54 |
[0gb_us] |
I know StrayBytes wants rivers. |
| 14:55 |
jordan4ibanez |
The mountains are not unatural, but they are interesting, and yes we should have varying levels of water |
| 14:57 |
[0gb_us] |
The mountains look VERY unnatural. If you say they look natural, you've either not seen real mountains, not seen v7, are lying, or are blind. |
| 14:57 |
[0gb_us] |
They are quite interesting though, and I do like them. |
| 14:57 |
[0gb_us] |
I just don't claim they look natural. |
| 14:58 |
khonkhortisan |
I have two things to say. And the fourth one is... |
| 14:58 |
jordan4ibanez |
Okay I think we should stop arguing over a mountain lol |
| 14:58 |
celeron55 |
i agree with [0gb_us] |
| 14:58 |
NakedFury |
I do agree we need to utilise more of the thousands of levels in height we have |
| 14:58 |
khonkhortisan |
Terrain generation is something that you can never get perfect |
| 14:58 |
jordan4ibanez |
Well you can, we just haven't reached it yet |
| 14:58 |
NakedFury |
varying levels of bodies of water will also give us waterfall or lakes and rivers |
| 14:59 |
[0gb_us] |
Yes, we have a lot of sky space. I think floating isles are planned. |
| 14:59 |
arsdragonfly |
everyone has his/her own definition of perfection |
| 15:00 |
NakedFury |
we can reach a perfect for us level of map generation but it will take time |
| 15:00 |
[0gb_us] |
khonkhortisan: I'm not expecting it to be perfect, nor do I really care how good or bad terrain looks. I just care about people saying it looks more natural than it does. |
| 15:01 |
[0gb_us] |
I play deep underground, where the ores are. What the surface looks like is of little consequence to me. ☺ |
| 15:01 |
celeron55 |
khonkhortisan: it's art and game design combined, and you can't perfect either of those even on their own, and in addition to that, they conflict with each other 8) |
| 15:01 |
arsdragonfly |
Perhaps it's because we haven't seen enough natural landscapes yet |
| 15:02 |
[0gb_us] |
Oh, I did find a hole in the bottom of the sea, and it lead strait to lava. This is the first time I've seen that sort of thing. |
| 15:02 |
khonkhortisan |
cool |
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arsdragonfly |
BTW are veins introduced in the mapgen? |
| 15:04 |
Jordach |
eys |
| 15:04 |
Jordach |
yes*# |
| 15:04 |
[0gb_us] |
Ore veins? I hope not. |
| 15:04 |
khonkhortisan |
I think they're clusters |
| 15:05 |
jordan4ibanez |
I don't like how the viewing distance setter tries to auto guess, I set it to 55 and it goes into the range of 500 bringing my fps down, why? |
| 15:05 |
celeron55 |
jordan4ibanez: set wanted_fps to something that you want |
| 15:05 |
celeron55 |
or whatever it's called |
| 15:06 |
[0gb_us] |
The current even distribution makes my tunnel building operation profitable. If it was switched to veins, I'd lose ore. |
| 15:06 |
celeron55 |
it's kind of badly tuned for mid-range computers |
| 15:06 |
jordan4ibanez |
Could there be a gui setting for this? |
| 15:06 |
khonkhortisan |
Easily. |
| 15:07 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
So any lighting for nodes being added soon |
| 15:07 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
I know hmmmm made stained glass |
| 15:07 |
arsdragonfly |
Why not put a simple text editor in the settings menu:P |
| 15:08 |
[0gb_us] |
Or put a simple text editor in the operating system. |
| 15:08 |
Jordach |
[0gb_us], clever |
| 15:09 |
[0gb_us] |
My operating system came with at least two. |
| 15:09 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Same here |
| 15:09 |
[0gb_us] |
Getit and Vim. There may be others too that I don't know about. |
| 15:09 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Or one the other came with pc |
| 15:10 |
[0gb_us] |
jojoa1997|Tablet: What do you mean? |
| 15:10 |
arsdragonfly |
I can't change minetest.conf when the game is running |
| 15:10 |
jordan4ibanez |
pilzadam http://ompldr.org/vaTczNA/minetest-0.4.6-4a9b8aa-sandy-win32.zip does this one have luajit? |
| 15:11 |
[0gb_us] |
Yeah, you have to close Minetest before changing settings. |
| 15:11 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
I got Microsoft word and the other notepad |
| 15:11 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Yes |
| 15:11 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
All of his do now |
| 15:11 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Though you can check by looking in bin |
| 15:12 |
[0gb_us] |
Microsoft Word isn't a text editor. If you're counting that, my system came with three. |
| 15:12 |
Jordach |
flabbyword |
| 15:12 |
[0gb_us] |
I have LibreOffice Writer though, not Word. |
| 15:12 |
Jordach |
ah |
| 15:12 |
Jordach |
yeah, i use LO 4 |
| 15:13 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
sfan5: do mods work when running server on android |
| 15:13 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
I want to test for errors |
| 15:13 |
sfan5 |
what server? |
| 15:14 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Android minetest |
| 15:14 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
You said you got server working |
| 15:14 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 15:14 |
sfan5 |
i didn't say that |
| 15:14 |
sfan5 |
read again |
| 15:15 |
jordan4ibanez |
Does anyone know this issue? http://i.imgur.com/DYnaS8d.jpg |
| 15:16 |
sfan5 |
jordan4ibanez: oh god! you stabbed a sword in your hand |
| 15:16 |
jordan4ibanez |
Not me! My friend |
| 15:18 |
sfan5 |
that must've hurt |
| 15:18 |
sfan5 |
*must've'd |
| 15:18 |
[0gb_us] |
The black is caused by an erased alpha channel on the images. |
| 15:19 |
[0gb_us] |
I don't know what's up with the hand sword though. |
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celeron55 |
jordan4ibanez: one guy had that, he had broken drivers |
| 15:22 |
celeron55 |
or broken driver settings |
| 15:22 |
celeron55 |
tell him to stop messing around them |
| 15:22 |
Traxie21 |
Working on a primitive safety system in lua, checks for safe directories before allowing io.open/close/etc. |
| 15:23 |
celeron55 |
+with |
| 15:23 |
celeron55 |
jordan4ibanez: also disabling shaders could possibly work (but probably not) |
| 15:23 |
Traxie21 |
not nearly as advanced as sapier's |
| 15:23 |
jordan4ibanez |
He's not messing around, he doesn't know what he's doing, and he's even more big-headed than me so he probably won't fix them |
| 15:24 |
celeron55 |
Traxie21: we don't care about being advanced; we are about being compatible, not restricting anything more than is necessary and being *actually secure*, not just some child safety lock 8) |
| 15:25 |
Traxie21 |
Heh, this is more of a child safety lock |
| 15:25 |
Traxie21 |
Something along the lines of what Uberi said |
| 15:25 |
celeron55 |
security is not a thing to take lightly at all - some maybe-security is the worst thing to do |
| 15:25 |
celeron55 |
because it makes people think it is secure, while any malicious person can hack around it |
| 15:25 |
Traxie21 |
indeed |
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khonkhortisan |
"Task Manager has been disabled by your administrator" is an example of that |
| 15:26 |
Traxie21 |
LOL |
| 15:26 |
khonkhortisan |
A plain user with regedit can disable it |
| 15:28 |
Traxie21 |
celeron, when will we get any security? |
| 15:28 |
Traxie21 |
ATM, any malicious modder could simple write some malicious code in a mod, and get away with it. |
| 15:29 |
khonkhortisan |
That would have to be their second malicious mod for them to already be a malicious modder :P |
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Traxie21 |
>_> |
| 15:29 |
[0gb_us] |
Try reading the Lua before you install it. |
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khonkhortisan |
:( error: switch quantity not an integer |
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[0gb_us] |
Or install only Lua from trusted sources. For example, PilzAdam and VanessaE are probably not going to write malicious code. |
| 15:31 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
what about me >.> |
| 15:32 |
* jojoa1997|Tablet |
has a time bomb hidden in peaceful_npc after 543536563 step boom the world gets erased |
| 15:32 |
[0gb_us] |
jojoa1997|Tablet: You reuse other peoples' code, and THEY might write malicious code. |
| 15:32 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
only problem is i dont know how to access files with the io.open thingy |
| 15:32 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
0gb_us i always look at the code i use |
| 15:33 |
Calinou |
io.open("C:\Windows\System32\") |
| 15:33 |
Traxie21 |
0gb.us Not everyone wants to look at the code, and not everyone will |
| 15:33 |
[0gb_us] |
Okay, well I thought you said you didn't understand some of the code from peaceful_npc. |
| 15:33 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i actually almost destroyed everyones world with minitest |
| 15:33 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i made default depend on default |
| 15:33 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
so none of the other mods loaded |
| 15:33 |
Calinou |
Traxie21: sometimes when I install mods from unknown people, I search for "io" in the mod's code :P |
| 15:33 |
Traxie21 |
Wow |
| 15:33 |
Calinou |
and "os" |
| 15:33 |
Traxie21 |
One line can delete your entire world file |
| 15:33 |
Calinou |
of course |
| 15:33 |
Traxie21 |
os.remove(minetest.get_worldpath().."/map.sqlite") |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
[0gb_us] i understand all of it except the moving |
| 15:34 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
thank you i didnt need to know that |
| 15:34 |
[0gb_us] |
Traxie21: Which is why I gave a second option: Only install code from trusted people. |
| 15:34 |
Traxie21 |
The point is, even now, malicious code is way too easy |
| 15:34 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
hmmmm ping |
| 15:35 |
Calinou |
sapier made a patch that removed some os and io functionality |
| 15:35 |
[0gb_us] |
file:write() can also write the empty string to map.sqlite, killing it. |
| 15:35 |
Calinou |
(was only allowed in mod directory) |
| 15:35 |
Calinou |
it's still not merged :| |
| 15:35 |
Traxie21 |
Why are we so scared about Jeija's cURL thingy? Because it makes it hard(er) to check code before it's done. |
| 15:35 |
Traxie21 |
Its still not that hard though |
| 15:35 |
Calinou |
it is not scary, it should be merged |
| 15:35 |
Calinou |
even c-fifty-five is for merging it |
| 15:35 |
Traxie21 |
Calinou, celeron55 dosn't like sapiers security XD |
| 15:35 |
Calinou |
"a few people eat too much: BAN FOOD!" |
| 15:35 |
Traxie21 |
WHAT!? |
| 15:35 |
Traxie21 |
NEVER!? |
| 15:36 |
* [0gb_us] |
is fat and against banning food |
| 15:36 |
* jojoa1997|Tablet |
wants to be a bowling ball |
| 15:36 |
Traxie21 |
fack, latest commit to HUD messed up my code again.. |
| 15:36 |
ShadowNinja |
I am trying to edit one of the ObjectRef methods, all I am getting are redirects and links, where are the actual methods? |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
Traxie i am working on book mod |
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Traxie21 |
We ought to commit jeija's code, because it is no less secure then what we already have |
| 15:37 |
Traxie21 |
since we already can write horrible code, it dosn't matter where it comes from |
| 15:38 |
Traxie21 |
If people check the code before they run it, all they have to do is visit the URL being downloaded from |
| 15:38 |
[0gb_us] |
Traxie21: As celeron55 said, bad security is worse than no security. |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
not if you know it is bad |
| 15:38 |
Traxie21 |
0gb.us, sapiers code is actually TOO restrictive afaik |
| 15:39 |
[0gb_us] |
Traxie21: I'm not saying we should use it. |
| 15:39 |
ShadowNinja |
There it is! |
| 15:40 |
Traxie21 |
[0gb_us] I know, but we either need good security or no security, cURL requesting won't open some magical portal that allows malicious code in under our noses. |
| 15:40 |
Traxie21 |
I so want it to be merged.. |
| 15:40 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
CAn someone help me with minitest |
| 15:40 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
ideas really |
| 15:40 |
[0gb_us] |
What good is the cURL downloading? It sounds like a centralized system, which seems like a bad idea with little benefit. |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
i need to figure out a way to get the natural materials needed for stuff |
| 15:42 |
Traxie21 |
cURL downloading? |
| 15:42 |
Traxie21 |
So many new possibilities |
| 15:43 |
jordan4ibanez |
That sounds very very bad |
| 15:43 |
Traxie21 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/490 |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
anyone know what is wrong with Stu's armor mod |
| 15:45 |
[0gb_us] |
Traxie21: Okay, I thought you meant something else. |
| 15:45 |
Traxie21 |
lol |
| 15:46 |
Traxie21 |
I''ve been waiting for that to be merged for so long, I may just compile it iwth my server |
| 15:47 |
[0gb_us] |
Yeah, maybe servers that need it can compile it it. |
| 15:47 |
Calinou |
[0gb_us]: lol, anti-centralised fanboy |
| 15:47 |
Calinou |
centralisation ftw, it brings too many benefits, you can forget its downsides |
| 15:47 |
Traxie21 |
0gb_us, it would be a pain to write a mod that uses that, and have to force people to recompile to use it |
| 15:48 |
[0gb_us] |
I'm not a fan boy. I just don't think centralized it the right direction for Minetest. There are cases when centralization is very good. |
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Calinou |
so everyone should forward their port 80 (99 % of ISPs forbid that)? |
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Calinou |
and how would you do your distributed system? |
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rubenwardy |
hi all |
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[0gb_us] |
What are you talking about, Calinou? Minetest doesn't typically use port 80. |
| 15:49 |
[0gb_us] |
Hello. |
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Calinou |
for cURL. cURL downloads web stuff, web is hosted on port 80 most of the time |
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Calinou |
hi rubenwardy |
| 15:51 |
[0gb_us] |
The web stuff doesn't need to be on peoples' home machines, they find file hosts ..... |
| 15:51 |
Calinou |
it would still be centralized |
| 15:51 |
jordan4ibanez |
Oh noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 15:51 |
Traxie21 |
? |
| 15:51 |
[0gb_us] |
No, you can cURL to any server. So non-centralized. |
| 15:52 |
PilzAdam |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86073#p86073 |
| 15:52 |
* PilzAdam |
is bored |
| 15:52 |
jordan4ibanez |
I have to rework all of blockmen's doors/fences mods so they don't use punch node and instead use nodeupdate |
| 15:52 |
jordan4ibanez |
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 15:52 |
Traxie21 |
:I Why? |
| 15:52 |
jordan4ibanez |
because some mods use punchnode, like tnt, and sometimes it causes crashes |
| 15:53 |
Calinou |
[0gb_us]: but the file hosts are centralized |
| 15:53 |
ShadowNinja |
PilzAdam: default:cobble, not default:cobblestone (unless I missed something). |
| 15:54 |
PilzAdam |
I always got that wrong :-/ |
| 15:54 |
Calinou |
looks like OOXML specification, PilzAdam |
| 15:54 |
[0gb_us] |
Calinou: The file hosts are NOT centralized. What are you talking about? ANY server can host. |
| 15:54 |
Calinou |
they are |
| 15:54 |
Calinou |
dropbox.com, ompldr.org... |
| 15:54 |
Calinou |
noone uses their computer directly to share files |
| 15:55 |
[0gb_us] |
Calinou: I do. |
| 15:55 |
[0gb_us] |
Also, if there is more than one group providing hosting, that is by definition, NOT centralized. |
| 15:56 |
[0gb_us] |
For example, if it was centralized, it would be dropbox.com OR ompldr.org, not AND. |
| 15:58 |
Traxie21 |
john_minetest, it may be possible, but it already is possible to load a lua virus |
| 15:59 |
[0gb_us] |
OH! OH OH OH! cURL can be accessed via os.execute() if needed. |
| 15:59 |
[0gb_us] |
Instant cURL support without waiting. |
| 16:01 |
Traxie21 |
but how well |
| 16:02 |
Jordach |
actually |
| 16:02 |
[0gb_us] |
As well as the os object allows, I guess. I don't see why a dedicated function would be any better. |
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Traxie21 |
is it supported cross-platform? |
| 16:03 |
[0gb_us] |
if cURL is installed globally, I think so. If not, cURL may need to be packaged with the Lua plugin. |
| 16:04 |
TheBonsai |
system('pause') syndrome? |
| 16:05 |
[0gb_us] |
os.execute() also allows you to pass in any needed flags. |
| 16:05 |
[0gb_us] |
TheBonsai: What is that? |
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Mati^1 |
hi |
| 16:06 |
rubenwardy |
kaeza? |
| 16:06 |
TheBonsai |
[0gb_us]: it's a classic windows "programmer" code to ask for a keypress on terminal from within theit C program :-) |
| 16:06 |
TheBonsai |
*their |
| 16:07 |
jordan4ibanez |
when you rightclick an on_rightclick node, the place sound of the node you are wielding will play |
| 16:07 |
rubenwardy |
I really need to get Mt Extensions of my server: too much trafiic |
| 16:07 |
rubenwardy |
*traffic |
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Traxie21 |
how does one get os.execute to get the value excecuted? |
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rubenwardy2 |
stupid internet |
| 16:21 |
[0gb_us] |
Not sure. Check the Lua documentation. |
| 16:23 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy, get a better isp |
| 16:23 |
Jordach |
or stop using wireless |
| 16:24 |
* ShadowBot |
wakes up |
| 16:24 |
rubenwardy2 |
we will be switching isp |
| 16:24 |
rubenwardy2 |
I am trying to get this to work: https://github.com/rubenwardy/The-NodeBox-Generator/blob/master/cNodes.cpp#L154 |
| 16:24 |
rubenwardy2 |
atm |
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* ShadowBot |
sleeps |
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rubenwardy2 |
Almost works! |
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rubenwardy2 |
just need to adjust stuff |
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* sfan5 |
needs someone to test his mod |
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ShadowNinja |
sfan5: What mod? |
| 16:28 |
sfan5 |
its a special mod for a special thing |
| 16:29 |
ShadowNinja |
Well that is very descriptive... |
| 16:30 |
Traxie21 |
I'll test :D |
| 16:30 |
Jordach |
its a spleefing arena |
| 16:30 |
Jordach |
with auto respawns |
| 16:30 |
sfan5 |
Jordach: stop spoiling |
| 16:30 |
Jordach |
also: more 8x stuff: http://i.imgur.com/pkA6ZN1.png |
| 16:30 |
Jordach |
(ignore the torches) |
| 16:32 |
Calinou |
minceraft torches |
| 16:33 |
Jordach |
Calinou, i usually use another texture pack crop, then draw my stuff |
| 16:33 |
Jordach |
(i dont have to grab the images again.) |
| 16:35 |
Traxie21 |
Does anyone here use windows? |
| 16:35 |
[0gb_us] |
Not me. |
| 16:35 |
khonkhortisan |
Yes |
| 16:35 |
khonkhortisan |
Also not me |
| 16:35 |
Traxie21 |
Could you test some code for me in Windows? |
| 16:36 |
Calinou |
dunno why but these days, I want to use windows again ;-; |
| 16:36 |
khonkhortisan |
You've forgotten why you don't use it |
| 16:36 |
Calinou |
even if I needed to compile minetest I can just use virtualbox to play MT inside, it's more than playable |
| 16:36 |
Calinou |
khonkhortisan: huh? |
| 16:36 |
Traxie21 |
http://pastebin.com/gZRk3gwW |
| 16:36 |
Traxie21 |
I need that code in windows, curl needs to be installed |
| 16:37 |
mauvebic |
gotta say, win7 boots hella fast, not at all what i remember from ten years + ago lol |
| 16:37 |
Traxie21 |
It downloads code from pastebin and runs it |
| 16:37 |
Traxie21 |
Don't worry, heres what it downloads |
| 16:37 |
Calinou |
win8 boots a bit (1-2 seconds) slower than ubuntu |
| 16:37 |
Traxie21 |
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=t1J1YMLD |
| 16:37 |
Calinou |
and win7 boots 4-5 secs slower than win8 |
| 16:37 |
mauvebic |
8? wouldn't touch that with a ten foot notch |
| 16:37 |
Jordach |
hey mauvebic |
| 16:38 |
mauvebic |
howdy jordach |
| 16:38 |
Jordach |
using arch are we |
| 16:38 |
mauvebic |
on the p4 |
| 16:38 |
Jordach |
i've considered going arch |
| 16:38 |
mauvebic |
hp: 100 gigs for win7 |
| 16:38 |
mauvebic |
so only install games lol |
| 16:38 |
mauvebic |
still haven't gotten around to fixing bootloader |
| 16:38 |
Traxie21 |
Anyone with cURL installed in windows want to test my code? |
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sfan5 |
Traxie21: you'll need |
| 16:39 |
sfan5 |
curl |
| 16:39 |
Calinou |
mauvebic: classicshell can put start menu back |
| 16:39 |
sfan5 |
installed in PATH |
| 16:39 |
Calinou |
and I could get used to win8 just fine, stop the modern DE hate |
| 16:39 |
Traxie21 |
yes sfan |
| 16:40 |
Traxie21 |
Is there a way to do it with the included dlls? |
| 16:40 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 16:40 |
mauvebic |
hmm, well i figured the HP is 9-12 mos old and has a win7 sticker on it, so i didn't fancy my chances my win8 :p |
| 16:40 |
Traxie21 |
In that case, it would be possible to put a virus/run bad code on linux, but not windows with this/minetest, as long as cURL is not in the user's path var |
| 16:40 |
mauvebic |
besides i had a win7 ultimate iso |
| 16:41 |
Calinou |
hax |
| 16:41 |
Jordach |
mauvebic, you will never see the start button in 8 |
| 16:41 |
mauvebic |
the only other iso have is xp pro lol |
| 16:41 |
Jordach |
although start8 is a good free app |
| 16:42 |
Traxie21 |
is it just me, or does windows 8 look like a bunch of people were adding seperate things without knowing what the others were doing? |
| 16:42 |
Calinou |
start8 is paid, Jordach |
| 16:42 |
mauvebic |
if i wanted tiles i have a bathroom floor that needs re-doing lol |
| 16:43 |
Calinou |
Traxie21: it does, but it's still faster than win7 |
| 16:43 |
[0gb_us] |
My school gives me free access to Windows, but I won't install it. |
| 16:43 |
* mauvebic |
is shocked |
| 16:43 |
Jordach |
[0gb_us], i'm using windows for the next two years and its then a linux life forever |
| 16:43 |
mauvebic |
i thought you were a huge fan of windows? |
| 16:43 |
Jordach |
at school anyways |
| 16:43 |
[0gb_us] |
I hate Windows. |
| 16:43 |
* Calinou |
is a windows heatsink |
| 16:44 |
[0gb_us] |
Last term, I needed Windows for one application for school. But that course is over now. |
| 16:44 |
Calinou |
[0gb_us]: linux has its downsides too, third class hardware support, people constantly saying "why dont you use a real OS" |
| 16:44 |
[0gb_us] |
SO I deleted WIndows. |
| 16:44 |
[0gb_us] |
*So |
| 16:44 |
mauvebic |
im pretty agnostic when it comes to OS'es - all the gods are dead :p |
| 16:45 |
Calinou |
and too many made-by-community FUD |
| 16:45 |
[0gb_us] |
Windows is the one that isn't a real OS though. |
| 16:45 |
Calinou |
why isn't it? it has few downsides |
| 16:45 |
mauvebic |
<Calinou> [0gb_us]: linux has its downsides too, third class hardware support |
| 16:45 |
mauvebic |
third class software in many cases too |
| 16:45 |
Calinou |
being proprietary (not important to me) and paid (100 euros isn't nothing) |
| 16:45 |
Calinou |
^ |
| 16:45 |
[0gb_us] |
It's downsides may be small in quantity, but are HUGE in effect. |
| 16:46 |
* Jordach |
has food |
| 16:46 |
mauvebic |
20 thousand music players = each with one feature you need |
| 16:46 |
Jordach |
Spaghetti Bol (to be exact.) |
| 16:46 |
Jordach |
mauvebic, clementine is a good player |
| 16:46 |
mauvebic |
and when they do get something right, its a complete clone and you might as well buy the original and join your friends |
| 16:46 |
Calinou |
I'm often getting scared of my system breaking because people FUD about ubuntu and nvidia blobs being broken *_* |
| 16:46 |
[0gb_us] |
I have all the software I need for my Linux computer. Also, on Ubuntu, I have great support for my hardware. |
| 16:46 |
Calinou |
Jordach: GIMP sucks at texturing |
| 16:47 |
Calinou |
("real" textures, that is, at least 1024^2) |
| 16:47 |
Calinou |
not pixel art |
| 16:47 |
[0gb_us] |
Calinou: GIMP is awesome for texturing. |
| 16:47 |
* Traxie21 |
is working on a downloader/updater for ServerExtended |
| 16:47 |
Calinou |
[0gb_us]: what if I want to buy an AMD card? I have _zero_ info on how, eg., a 7950 will work |
| 16:47 |
mauvebic |
gimp has a windows version, im using it for my blockscape screenshots |
| 16:47 |
[0gb_us] |
GIMP is as powerful as PhotoShop, but has a different interface. |
| 16:47 |
[0gb_us] |
I'm on AMD ..... |
| 16:47 |
Calinou |
never used PS so I can't voice my opinion |
| 16:47 |
Calinou |
[0gb_us]: which graphics card? |
| 16:48 |
[0gb_us] |
I don't know what card. |
| 16:48 |
khonkhortisan |
There's photoshop-like gimp plugins |
| 16:48 |
[0gb_us] |
It works fine though. |
| 16:48 |
Calinou |
lspci | grep VGA |
| 16:48 |
Calinou |
^ in a terminal |
| 16:48 |
[0gb_us] |
It's not fancy, and it doesn't run well in Debian, but my graphics card works fine in Ubuntu. |
| 16:48 |
mauvebic |
the only linux i really like is arch, and i might try slack one day, but thats on the condition i dont update and something breaks for lack of proper testing lol |
| 16:49 |
[0gb_us] |
01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series] |
| 16:49 |
Calinou |
ah |
| 16:49 |
mauvebic |
in the past ten years ive tried most of the major ones, didn't see that much of a difference, they all suck at different aspects |
| 16:49 |
Calinou |
I was talking about modern hardware of course :P |
| 16:50 |
[0gb_us] |
It takes time to get hardware support, as unlike Microsoft, the Linux people don't get perrelease specs on the hardware. |
| 16:50 |
[0gb_us] |
*prerelease |
| 16:51 |
mauvebic |
why should they? would it stop them from complaining about everything else? (proprietary drivers, for instance) |
| 16:52 |
mauvebic |
it amazes me that people still knock on nvidia for releasing binary drivers - were it not for nvidia's driver, linux wouldn't have half the users it has |
| 16:53 |
[0gb_us] |
I'm not expressing an opinion on whether or not they should, just explaining why Microsoft is quicker at adding support: hardware companies give them access to the specs sooner. |
| 16:53 |
mauvebic |
oh that, market share |
| 16:53 |
[0gb_us] |
I also have no problem with proprietary drivers. |
| 16:53 |
Morrolan |
Calinou: Dang, you spotted me. :P |
| 16:53 |
mauvebic |
linux is like what, <1%, and MS is like 2/3 or 3/4 of the market |
| 16:53 |
[0gb_us] |
Proprietary software is great. It's just Windows that is awful. |
| 16:54 |
mauvebic |
no i know but even if you don't even linus torvalds is known to blast nvidia from time to time |
| 16:54 |
[0gb_us] |
Popular is not the same as decent. |
| 16:54 |
[0gb_us] |
Ah, I see. |
| 16:54 |
[0gb_us] |
I don't know a whole lot about the guy. |
| 16:54 |
Morrolan |
"were it not for nvidia's driver, linux wouldn't have half the users it has" oO |
| 16:54 |
Calinou |
mauvebic: 90% |
| 16:54 |
mauvebic |
the top linux devs waste more time on politics than fixing their stuff |
| 16:54 |
Morrolan |
I... do not use Linux because of Nvidia's drivers. |
| 16:54 |
Traxie21 |
trying to use io.open to create a file.... |
| 16:55 |
Traxie21 |
no success yet. |
| 16:55 |
* Calinou |
does, he can use fan control there! but he cannot go below 40%! AWESOME |
| 16:55 |
Morrolan |
Haha. |
| 16:55 |
[0gb_us] |
I use it because of legal issues. |
| 16:55 |
Calinou |
legal aspects of opensource aren't a reason, imo |
| 16:55 |
mauvebic |
i use em because the opensource graphics drivers are complete and utter crap and they pretend it's as good lol (apple's distortion field was ported to linux) |
| 16:55 |
Calinou |
in france, there are no software patents and stuff like that |
| 16:56 |
Calinou |
even NDAs have zero value in france |
| 16:56 |
Traxie21 |
Ah |
| 16:56 |
Traxie21 |
How does one create a folder in lua? |
| 16:56 |
sfan5 |
os.execu |
| 16:56 |
sfan5 |
*os.mkdir |
| 16:56 |
sfan5 |
IIRC |
| 16:56 |
[0gb_us] |
The issue is that it's illegal for me to install my original OS on this hardware. Legally I can install Linux, so I did. |
| 16:57 |
[0gb_us] |
I needed an OS, but didn't want to break the law. |
| 16:57 |
mauvebic |
i shouldn't worry too much about legal |
| 16:57 |
[0gb_us] |
So yes, legality is an issue. |
| 16:57 |
Calinou |
you can use a windows ISO fine, for 30 days |
| 16:57 |
mauvebic |
i think these days they got better things to do (catch terrorists) |
| 16:57 |
Calinou |
after 30 days you need an activation key |
| 16:57 |
[0gb_us] |
Windows is awful, I refuse to use it. |
| 16:57 |
Calinou |
[protip: buy "full" versions of windows, not OEM ones. much more expensive but useful in the long term) |
| 16:57 |
* Morrolan |
blinks |
| 16:57 |
Calinou |
OEM versions are linked to the motherboard :P |
| 16:57 |
Morrolan |
Noo. :P |
| 16:58 |
Morrolan |
They are? |
| 16:58 |
Calinou |
they are |
| 16:58 |
[0gb_us] |
I'm NEVER buying Windows. I will not pay for an inferior product. |
| 16:58 |
Morrolan |
As in, you install it on one computer, then it's linked to that motherboard? |
| 16:58 |
Calinou |
try changing your mobo, with or without the CPU at the same time, you can't reinstall iirc |
| 16:58 |
* sfan5 |
has a windows cd that is intended for OEM "distributors" |
| 16:58 |
Calinou |
dunno how it works exactly |
| 16:58 |
mauvebic |
meh, my HP didn't come with a restore CD, but they would have sold one to me, so i just DL'ed the drivers and an iso, legal or not, its the same setup as when i bought the damn thing, so... who cares lol |
| 16:58 |
Morrolan |
Ah. Probably never noticed it, since I change my hardware more often than my OS. |
| 16:58 |
Calinou |
google |
| 16:58 |
sfan5 |
*windows 7 |
| 16:58 |
Morrolan |
Or, well, maybe about as often. |
| 16:58 |
Calinou |
sfan5: 90% of people buy that, it is perfectly legal |
| 16:59 |
Morrolan |
Eh, just as often, else it wouldn't make sense. |
| 16:59 |
* Morrolan |
sighs |
| 16:59 |
Morrolan |
Back to coffee. |
| 16:59 |
sfan5 |
windows wants a new activation key if the system hardware changes too much |
| 16:59 |
Calinou |
motherboard mainly |
| 16:59 |
Calinou |
you can change everything else |
| 16:59 |
mauvebic |
use removewat |
| 16:59 |
[0gb_us] |
For me, it was a Linux versus OS X issue. Windows is so awful it wasn't even an OPTION. |
| 16:59 |
Morrolan |
Windows is just fine. |
| 17:00 |
Morrolan |
It has its shortcomins for development (of anything not .NET), but as an OS it performs nicely. |
| 17:00 |
* sfan5 |
doesn't really like Win |
| 17:00 |
mauvebic |
windows might be awful in your eyes, but all the best games come out for it first |
| 17:00 |
Calinou |
Morrolan: virtualbox ;) |
| 17:00 |
ImQ009 |
Calinou, I changed the mobo and Win 7 didn't bother me |
| 17:00 |
Calinou |
OEM version or not? |
| 17:00 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: VBox game performance is shitty |
| 17:00 |
[0gb_us] |
Windows is not just fine. |
| 17:00 |
ImQ009 |
Oh, you're talking about OEM |
| 17:00 |
ImQ009 |
That's a different story then |
| 17:00 |
[0gb_us] |
Windows security is awful. It's unacceptable. It also eats resources like crazy. |
| 17:00 |
Morrolan |
Calinou: Yea. I just use a notebook for work (with Linux), and a desktop computer with Dual Boot for, well, the rest. |
| 17:00 |
mauvebic |
then theres being able to buy a camera, printer or scanner and not worry if it's compatible with lin |
| 17:00 |
Morrolan |
[0gb_us]: Pft. |
| 17:00 |
ImQ009 |
[0gb_us], I guess you just were unlucky with it, really :P |
| 17:01 |
Calinou |
sfan5: I can play minetest inside, ~30FPS |
| 17:01 |
[0gb_us] |
Having games is not worth the sacrifice of having to use Windows. |
| 17:01 |
Morrolan |
Then don't, for fuck's sake. |
| 17:01 |
sfan5 |
[0gb_us]: about windows security... windows xp security is really awful |
| 17:01 |
Calinou |
you have games in linux, but nowhere near the quality and polish of AAA games |
| 17:01 |
Calinou |
sfan5: win8 is quite secure |
| 17:01 |
Morrolan |
Yea. One day! One day we will! |
| 17:01 |
mauvebic |
security and resource management can be awful in any OS, depends what kind of crap you put on top of the OS |
| 17:01 |
[0gb_us] |
ImQ009: I couldn't have been unlucky with it, because I was never a Windows user. |
| 17:01 |
ImQ009 |
[0gb_us], Then how can you judge? |
| 17:01 |
sfan5 |
xp doesn't even have ASLR, find and overflow bug and you can make a 97% working exploit for XP |
| 17:01 |
ImQ009 |
That's quite silly, isn't it?? |
| 17:02 |
[0gb_us] |
Windows 8 security is awful to, not just XP. |
| 17:02 |
ImQ009 |
Double ?, excuse me |
| 17:02 |
mauvebic |
ive seen people load so much bling on ubuntu as to make it as unusable as my little sisters' win setup lol |
| 17:02 |
sfan5 |
[0gb_us]: ASLR is quite powerful.. |
| 17:02 |
Calinou |
the issue is the developers don't play games too |
| 17:02 |
Morrolan |
mauvebic: Isn't that how Ubuntu ships by default? :o |
| 17:02 |
Calinou |
pulseaudio latency is still horrible if you haven't got hyperthreading |
| 17:02 |
* Morrolan |
stares at links to amazon and god knows what else |
| 17:02 |
Calinou |
so basically I'm forced to buy i7s or i3s |
| 17:02 |
[0gb_us] |
If you do any reading, you can tell how bad Windows is. Also, my mother gets viruses all the time on her Windows machine. |
| 17:02 |
mauvebic |
pulseaudio destroyed my last set of speakers/subs |
| 17:02 |
mauvebic |
physically |
| 17:03 |
Calinou |
[0gb_us]: beginner windows user |
| 17:03 |
[0gb_us] |
"ASLR" is what? |
| 17:03 |
Calinou |
I used no AV on windows for 1 year = ZERO issue |
| 17:03 |
Calinou |
mauvebic: lol, speakers |
| 17:03 |
ImQ009 |
[0gb_us], The worst thing is to rely on others' opinions. |
| 17:03 |
Calinou |
20 euro speakers? |
| 17:03 |
sfan5 |
[0gb_us]: adress space layout randomization |
| 17:03 |
mauvebic |
<Calinou> the issue is the developers don't play games too <- they do 1/3 code, 2/3 politics and philosophy lol |
| 17:03 |
ImQ009 |
I use Windows for years and I haven't got ANY major problems |
| 17:03 |
sfan5 |
[0gb_us]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_space_layout_randomization |
| 17:03 |
MinetestBot |
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| 17:03 |
mauvebic |
noooo calinou i had a nice pair of JBL speakers |
| 17:03 |
[0gb_us] |
Windows is awful. You shouldn't have to be an expert to keep your computer safe. A beginner should be able to keep basic security. |
| 17:03 |
Calinou |
JBL? |
| 17:04 |
mauvebic |
isn't that the name? |
| 17:04 |
ImQ009 |
[0gb_us], There's no good OS for beginner |
| 17:04 |
Calinou |
if as many people used ubuntu as windows it would be as unsafe, [0gb_us] |
| 17:04 |
ImQ009 |
On Windows a beginner will get shit load of viruses. On Lunix he just won't know how to use the thing |
| 17:04 |
[0gb_us] |
ImQ009: I don't rely on others' opinions. Other people (most people) are in love with Windows. But am I? No. |
| 17:04 |
ImQ009 |
An impass |
| 17:04 |
mauvebic |
http://blog.mytrendyphone.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Harman-Kardon-JBL-Duet-Speaker-System.jpg |
| 17:04 |
Calinou |
I'm not in love with windows :P |
| 17:05 |
Calinou |
pulseaudio still can't destroy stuff physically |
| 17:05 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: the least people in this channel ae |
| 17:05 |
sfan5 |
*are |
| 17:05 |
[0gb_us] |
ImQ009: Good, I don't know. But there are plenty of SAFE OSs for beginners. |
| 17:05 |
Traxie21 |
how does one test weather or not a file exists without crashing the game? |
| 17:05 |
Calinou |
nad report a bug, too :P |
| 17:05 |
mauvebic |
ogb people aren't in love with windows, they prolly dont pay 1/4 the attention to what OS theyre running as you do :p |
| 17:05 |
ImQ009 |
[0gb_us], Oh, I'm definitely not in love with Windows, I'd gladly change it but I'm kinda stuck with the software |
| 17:05 |
Calinou |
"weather" ö_ö |
| 17:05 |
Calinou |
look outside? :D |
| 17:05 |
Traxie21 |
whether |
| 17:05 |
ImQ009 |
And Wine? Meeeeh |
| 17:05 |
Traxie21 |
For some reason, it crashes if the folder does not exist |
| 17:06 |
[0gb_us] |
mauvebic: They panic if you tell them to use anything but Windows. That counts as being in love with Windows. |
| 17:06 |
Calinou |
wine runs trackmania for me, but you cannot extend that to photoshop and *cough*pirated filterforge*cough* |
| 17:06 |
mauvebic |
thats because theyre not interested in fucking around with what works |
| 17:06 |
mauvebic |
they see zealots coming a mile away |
| 17:06 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: trackmania also runs fine for me in wine |
| 17:06 |
[0gb_us] |
Linux doesn't need to be "fucked with" to make it work. |
| 17:06 |
mauvebic |
its starts with 1) try it! its much better |
| 17:06 |
Calinou |
a bit slow with highest settings |
| 17:06 |
mauvebic |
2) we have equivilant sofware |
| 17:07 |
[0gb_us] |
Try what? |
| 17:07 |
mauvebic |
3) buy compatible hardware |
| 17:07 |
Calinou |
[0gb_us]: it does, often |
| 17:07 |
mauvebic |
4) fix it yourself |
| 17:07 |
ImQ009 |
[0gb_us], It does :P A beginner wouln't have idea how to install basic stuff |
| 17:07 |
Calinou |
if I want to hide bootloader: edit /etc/default/grub then type sudo update-grub |
| 17:07 |
Traxie21 |
Congrats. On any minetest install with cURL on linux, you can add an auto-updater for mods |
| 17:07 |
mauvebic |
so yeah, win users panic faced with those four stages |
| 17:07 |
[0gb_us] |
Calinou: If it doesn't work out of the box, you didn't get the right disto. |
| 17:07 |
Calinou |
xubuntu isn't fine? |
| 17:07 |
Calinou |
no other distro has OOTB graphical bootloader configuration |
| 17:08 |
Calinou |
I use "something else" in the installer as always |
| 17:08 |
Calinou |
the other choices just suck :P |
| 17:08 |
[0gb_us] |
If Xubuntu doesn't work out of the box, it's not fine for beginners. |
| 17:08 |
mauvebic |
the only pickle i have now is weather to use win7 bootloader to start arch or restore grub, according to archwiki, both should work |
| 17:08 |
mauvebic |
*whether (force of habit) |
| 17:08 |
Calinou |
it works, but I don't want to have to press "enter" every time I boot |
| 17:08 |
[0gb_us] |
I don't mean it has to work out of the box to be good for non-beginners. |
| 17:08 |
Calinou |
I have long POST time and PSU failure 50% of the time when booting, it is long enough |
| 17:09 |
mauvebic |
for 2 years linux mint couldn't decide weather PATA or SATA drive should boot first, so it took turns alternatively calling each hda, hdb lol so it would only boot half the time |
| 17:09 |
Calinou |
>2013 >IDE |
| 17:10 |
mauvebic |
and this, i was told to fix myself lol |
| 17:10 |
mauvebic |
and i was like "but im not an OS dev" lol |
| 17:10 |
Traxie21 |
Currently writing a ServerExtended installer |
| 17:10 |
Traxie21 |
Progress: 20% |
| 17:10 |
mauvebic |
you can't try to convert people if the default reaction is always DIY |
| 17:11 |
* Traxie21 |
has stumbled upon a breakthrough, no one really cares :3 |
| 17:11 |
mauvebic |
like tinkering might be fine for most people here, but most win users have jobs to go to and family to take care of, computer isn't 1st in list of concerns |
| 17:11 |
[0gb_us] |
mauvebic: Exactly. It needs to just work out of the box. |
| 17:12 |
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| 17:12 |
Calinou |
and no distro does that |
| 17:12 |
mauvebic |
well now you're just making arguments FOR windows :p |
| 17:12 |
[0gb_us] |
No. Windows doesn't work at all, let alone out of the box ..... |
| 17:12 |
mauvebic |
and you can tell, RMS ain't getting any (action) |
| 17:12 |
* Calinou |
looks at minecraft splash "Not on steam"... |
| 17:13 |
ImQ009 |
[0gb_us], "Windows doesn't work at all" "Not relying on others' opinions" |
| 17:13 |
ImQ009 |
Right :P |
| 17:13 |
mauvebic |
well knowing your love for win, you prolly scratched obscenities onto the dvd before trying to load it lol |
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MinetestBot |
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| 17:14 |
[0gb_us] |
Whenever I am forced to deal with Windows, I see how non-functional it is. How is that relying on other peoples' opinions, pray tell? |
| 17:14 |
ImQ009 |
[0gb_us], Saying that Windows "doesn't wrok at all" is "resource heavy" and shit is just invalid and silly, especially knowing that you don't know shit, really |
| 17:14 |
ImQ009 |
I mean, you haven't used it after all |
| 17:14 |
mauvebic |
well heres another example: even before loading up the drivers, win7 just worked on the HP. Most linux liveimages wouldn't start, arch would, with MESA, but was terribly laggy until i installed catalyst, which took forever, after that, it was finally usable |
| 17:15 |
ImQ009 |
I agree that Windows isn't a perfect OS |
| 17:15 |
ImQ009 |
It DOES have a lot of flaws |
| 17:15 |
[0gb_us] |
I don't know a whole lot, but I do know it doesn't work and it lags my computer like crazy. |
| 17:15 |
ImQ009 |
But what you're saying |
| 17:15 |
ImQ009 |
Is just plain... silly |
| 17:15 |
[0gb_us] |
It's not in any way silly. |
| 17:15 |
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| 17:15 |
ImQ009 |
I guess you had a bad luck then if it lags for you |
| 17:16 |
[0gb_us] |
It's not bad luck. It's the fact that Windows sucks like hell. |
| 17:16 |
Calinou |
[0gb_us]: lags? less sound latency in windows, almost zero :P |
| 17:16 |
ImQ009 |
You're such an ignorant, [0gb_us] :P |
| 17:16 |
Calinou |
linux (pulseaudio) + HT is pretty good, but disable HT and you've got 100ms latency |
| 17:16 |
ImQ009 |
You completely ran out of arguments and keep repeating the same stuff |
| 17:16 |
mauvebic |
i didn't even know my HP had HDaudio before trying win7 lol |
| 17:17 |
ImQ009 |
We might end this conversation right now as well |
| 17:17 |
[0gb_us] |
If anything, the bad luck is that I ever have to deal with Windows at all. |
| 17:17 |
ImQ009 |
Seeing it doesn't lead anywhre |
| 17:17 |
mauvebic |
i nearly shit myself starting up blockscape for the first time with the hd audio working |
| 17:17 |
mauvebic |
dude, your obsessive hate for windows is more than just bad luck |
| 17:18 |
[0gb_us] |
ImQ009: And you have made zero valid arguments, and only question my logic, never presenting any of your own. |
| 17:18 |
mauvebic |
if it were just bad luck you wouldn't feel the need to comment on it at every turn |
| 17:18 |
ImQ009 |
[0gb_us], Of course I did, you're just not understanding them |
| 17:18 |
harrison |
windows is bad |
| 17:18 |
[0gb_us] |
mauvebic: Exactly, not bad luck. |
| 17:18 |
[0gb_us] |
Exactly. |
| 17:19 |
mauvebic |
dunno if i already asked, but how old are you? |
| 17:19 |
[0gb_us] |
Me? Twenty-three, though I don't see how that is relevant. |
| 17:19 |
ImQ009 |
[0gb_us], I've worked with a lot of computers, all of them ran Windowses, they ran FINE, no lag, no problems |
| 17:19 |
ImQ009 |
Is that kind of logic "invaid"? |
| 17:20 |
mauvebic |
not saying this applies to you, but i often notice geeks who replace sexual frustration with religious devotion to one platform or another |
| 17:20 |
[0gb_us] |
ImQ009: It doesn't lag if you have powerful hardware. Linux gets more done with less hardware. |
| 17:21 |
mauvebic |
its one of the reason i avoided the profession lol |
| 17:21 |
ImQ009 |
[0gb_us], The worst hardware I had is a Athlon XP, |
| 17:21 |
ImQ009 |
it worked fine :P |
| 17:21 |
[0gb_us] |
I'm asexual and agnostic, so I lack sexual and religious frustration. |
| 17:21 |
ImQ009 |
an* sorry |
| 17:21 |
mauvebic |
well in my experience 3/4s of asexuals just haven't picked a gender yet |
| 17:22 |
* Calinou |
questions mauvebic and Jordach's sexuality |
| 17:22 |
mauvebic |
question all you want, at least im getting some lol |
| 17:22 |
[0gb_us] |
THat may be, but isn't the case for me. I found my gender, and I'm still asexual. |
| 17:22 |
arsdragonfly|pho |
It seems like the argument is losing control |
| 17:22 |
mauvebic |
just trying to find the underlying cause for the winhate |
| 17:23 |
ImQ009 |
mauvebic, The win hate IS reasonable |
| 17:23 |
mauvebic |
its hard to buy the redundant yet intensive arguments |
| 17:23 |
ImQ009 |
However saying shit arguments is not |
| 17:23 |
mauvebic |
it shouldn't be if your using an OS you're satisfied with |
| 17:23 |
[0gb_us] |
I don't even WANT to be "getting some". The thought of having sex is not a pleasant one for me. That logic would be similar to telling me "At least I'm cutting myself". |
| 17:23 |
arsdragonfly|pho |
Seriously there's no need to compare something you play with with something you work with |
| 17:23 |
mauvebic |
well weather or not you want some, people do need to get off |
| 17:24 |
mauvebic |
otherwise it manifests itself in all sorts of weird behaviours |
| 17:24 |
[0gb_us] |
mauvebic: Normal people need to get off. The few of us that lack sexuality do not. |
| 17:24 |
ImQ009 |
Erm, so now you've switched over to sexual orientation discussion? It's his thing whether he wants to hump or not :P |
| 17:24 |
[0gb_us] |
I don't know how this ended up on sex .... |
| 17:24 |
ImQ009 |
Apparantely he doesn't want, the world doesn't end on sex anyways |
| 17:25 |
mauvebic |
no but these weird obsessions (like on win) is usually a symptom of something else |
| 17:25 |
mauvebic |
if you own a honda and you love, what do you care if your neighbour drives a pontiac? |
| 17:25 |
mauvebic |
*love it |
| 17:25 |
ImQ009 |
As long as the arguments are reasonable I "accept" the hate on something :P |
| 17:26 |
[0gb_us] |
I don't care what car people has, as it has no effect on me. But do you know what heard immunity is? |
| 17:26 |
mauvebic |
hate leads to fanaticism lol |
| 17:26 |
ImQ009 |
especially on Windows, I've seen plenty of people hating on it, I even dislike it a bit |
| 17:26 |
ImQ009 |
but they were prooving some valid points |
| 17:26 |
[0gb_us] |
*people have |
| 17:26 |
mauvebic |
heard immunity = every generation has its elements of counter-culturals |
| 17:27 |
mauvebic |
contrarians if you want |
| 17:27 |
[0gb_us] |
Heard immunity is the effect that when most of a group resists a disease, even those who are not resistant have more protection from said ailment. |
| 17:27 |
[0gb_us] |
Likewise, the reverse is true. |
| 17:28 |
mauvebic |
meh, ive noticed drugs have the opposite effect on me than on most people |
| 17:28 |
[0gb_us] |
When most are NOT resistant, it lowers the resistance of those that would normally resist. |
| 17:28 |
mauvebic |
stimulants calm me down, sleeping pills don't work, etc. |
| 17:28 |
[0gb_us] |
The same applies to malware. |
| 17:29 |
[0gb_us] |
The more people are using WIndows, the less safe we all are. |
| 17:29 |
mauvebic |
and dentists' frezing meds dont work either :( |
| 17:29 |
ImQ009 |
mauvebic, ouch |
| 17:29 |
mauvebic |
i still think it's an irrational fixation |
| 17:30 |
ImQ009 |
so? it is his thing :P |
| 17:30 |
mauvebic |
imq yeah after being shot 17 times i just told him to pull it and went to the nearest liquor store afterwards lol |
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[0gb_us] |
Not only that, but software support rests with the majority. So while most people chose to use the world's worst operating system, those of us that have more sense don't get software support, and have to use Windows at times. |
| 17:30 |
Calinou |
how did I even start this discussion ö_ö |
| 17:30 |
* Calinou |
breaks moreblocks again |
| 17:30 |
[0gb_us] |
So other people using Windows DOES impact non-Windows users in several bad ways. |
| 17:30 |
ImQ009 |
[0gb_us], Valve has done something about it |
| 17:31 |
mauvebic |
people didn't chose the "worlds worst OS", it was just there. the same way if you want to socialnetwork you go with facebook and not some obscure network with a few thousand mostly inactive profiles |
| 17:31 |
ImQ009 |
Anyway, why would software developers invest in developing software for a "few" users that are on something else than Windows? :P |
| 17:31 |
ImQ009 |
Money is an important factor there as well |
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celeron55 |
so OS wars, huh? |
| 17:32 |
mauvebic |
why would professional paid developers waste time with linux at all? god knows half the users will complete if you so much as chose the wrong license or use a single proprietary bit |
| 17:32 |
[0gb_us] |
ImQ009: Exactly, which is why other people using WIndows impacts those of us that don't. |
| 17:32 |
celeron55 |
i like Palm OS 3.3! |
| 17:32 |
mauvebic |
*complain |
| 17:32 |
[0gb_us] |
Palm OS 3.3 isn't Windows, so I like that as well. |
| 17:32 |
ImQ009 |
[0gb_us], The process of "switch over" to different platforms has began already |
| 17:32 |
mauvebic |
lol say that to ogb, no one can so much as mention win when he's around :p |
| 17:32 |
ImQ009 |
It goes slowly but it will eventually go somewhere |
| 17:33 |
mauvebic |
calinou i think it started when we were talking about boot times lol |
| 17:33 |
celeron55 |
boot time doesn't even matter; what matters is suspend-to-ram time and reboot time :P |
| 17:33 |
celeron55 |
ehm... |
| 17:33 |
mauvebic |
people still suspend? lol |
| 17:33 |
celeron55 |
reboot frequency* |
| 17:33 |
mauvebic |
the time it takes to boot/reboot lol |
| 17:34 |
mauvebic |
suspend seems kinda redundant |
| 17:34 |
ImQ009 |
celeron55, Depends :D If it boots in 6 seconds then you don't even need to use STR |
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[0gb_us] |
ImQ009: I'm aware of the switchover.And I'm very grateful for that. Microsoft is aware too, and is doing all they can to slow it down. But it is inevitable. And they continue to slowly lose market share. But I'll probably be dead before the switch has progressed very far. |
| 17:34 |
mauvebic |
especially if you have to keep a swap slightly bigger than your ram |
| 17:34 |
celeron55 |
suspend is like a gift from heaven; all of your work and open programs are 100% left as-is and you can continue right where you left |
| 17:34 |
celeron55 |
mauvebic: that's called suspend-to-disk |
| 17:34 |
celeron55 |
or hibernate |
| 17:34 |
mauvebic |
well even xfce saves your session on shutdown now? |
| 17:35 |
celeron55 |
session saving basically sucks like hell |
| 17:35 |
ImQ009 |
[0gb_us], Good stuff's happening either way. Windows is getting better and better trying to hold people (altho Metro UI was a shot in the foot) |
| 17:35 |
celeron55 |
programs don't support it and you end up with eg. a desktop full of empty terminals |
| 17:35 |
celeron55 |
not useful at all |
| 17:36 |
[0gb_us] |
A lot of what Microsoft is doing to keep users isn't related to Windows improvement. |
| 17:36 |
ImQ009 |
Depends on what you look at |
| 17:36 |
mauvebic |
well when i reach the point of needing to reboot/suspend i usually have too much crap open all over the place anyhow lol |
| 17:37 |
ImQ009 |
[0gb_us], It's mostly due to the fact Windows isn't as hyped as their other shit like Surface, Windows Phone |
| 17:37 |
mauvebic |
thats where save session works against me if i forget to close everything before shutting down lol |
| 17:37 |
Traxie21 |
celeron55, I wrote an auto-updater mod that works w/ current git + cURL + linux |
| 17:37 |
ImQ009 |
So itm might look like that |
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mauvebic |
one thing i remember about old windows is installing litestep, was hella faster than explorer of the era lol |
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Calinou |
celeron55: suspend never works :P |
| 17:43 |
Calinou |
on linux it's russian roulette |
| 17:46 |
* ssieb |
has been using suspend for years with very few problems |
| 17:47 |
* ssieb |
hasn't had a windows desktop in nearly 10 years :-P |
| 17:47 |
* [0gb_us] |
suspends whenever he is too lazy to shut down, which is almost nightly |
| 17:48 |
ssieb |
I suspend/resume many times a day because I transport my laptop between home and work and use it on the way |
| 17:49 |
ssieb |
probably about 6 cycles per day :-) |
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celeron55 |
Calinou: on my laptop it works perfectly |
| 17:52 |
celeron55 |
on my desktop... well, not at all |
| 17:53 |
celeron55 |
on my work laptop it works fine too |
| 17:53 |
celeron55 |
it's mostly a matter of using old enough all-intel hardware |
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celeron55 |
altough it worked fine on my old laptop that had nvidia |
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celeron55 |
8) |
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* arsdragonfly |
finshed his homework |
| 17:54 |
arsdragonfly |
*finished |
| 17:54 |
celeron55 |
ssieb: that kind of use seems to be hard to even imagine by the "by a desktop computer for gaming" people |
| 17:54 |
arsdragonfly |
zzzzzz~~~ |
| 17:55 |
celeron55 |
ssieb: as a laptop user... that's one of the most important things i want from a computer |
| 17:55 |
celeron55 |
s/by a/buy a/ |
| 17:55 |
ssieb |
indeed |
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[0gb_us] |
It works on my AMD laptop too. |
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Calinou |
suspend works fine with open source drivers but it's still russian roulette with blobs |
| 18:01 |
Calinou |
official opensource ones :p |
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ungali_mobile |
does compiling without sound support give a measurable performance boost? |
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khonkhortisan |
LuaJIT gives a measurable performance boost |
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[0gb_us] |
That's not what he asked though. |
| 18:14 |
khonkhortisan |
Without the ambience mod, I don't see sound slowing the game down. But it's probably measurable. |
| 18:14 |
ungali_mobile |
thanks; is a fairly older machine, so I'll go without |
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celeron55 |
sound shouldn't really make any difference at all |
| 18:31 |
celeron55 |
of course some, but it's dwarfed by everything else that MT does |
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ungali_mobile |
i think I'll have to compile without graphics, then. ;) |
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[0gb_us] |
Good idea. You should try that. |
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Zeg9 |
Bye all, going off for a week! |
| 18:37 |
Traxie21 |
bai! |
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[0gb_us] |
Bye, have fun! |
| 18:37 |
Traxie21 |
Oh yeah, im leaving too, on saturday |
| 18:37 |
Traxie21 |
:3 |
| 18:37 |
Traxie21 |
cyas Zeg9! |
| 18:37 |
Zeg9 |
See you! |
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Traxie21 |
Automatic updater now fetches files from GitHub as configured! |
| 19:05 |
Traxie21 |
and saves config files to prevent loss of configuration options |
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rubenwardy |
The node box generator 0.1 is almost ready to be released! |
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Traxie21 |
ruben |
| 19:12 |
Traxie21 |
I has something awesome >:D |
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sokomine |
hi rubenwardy |
| 19:12 |
Traxie21 |
hi ruben/soko |
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Calinou |
hi |
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rubenwardy |
working on exporter and changing the selected node ui |
| 19:12 |
Calinou |
Traxie21, does your automatic updater work with all mods, or just yours? is it easy to adapt? |
| 19:12 |
Traxie21 |
Its easy to adapt |
| 19:13 |
Calinou |
ah, ok |
| 19:13 |
Traxie21 |
but it only runs on a system with curl in the path variable |
| 19:13 |
Traxie21 |
It basically downloads updatelists.txt from wherever you specify, and uses the files in that to download the rest of the modpack |
| 19:13 |
Traxie21 |
It puts all downloaded mods in its own modpack, because it has to be able to check them |
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Calinou |
ah |
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Traxie21 |
its actually pretty cool |
| 19:16 |
Traxie21 |
ATM, I'm trying to make the update-checker work by re-running the update script |
| 19:16 |
Traxie21 |
however, it dosn't approve, so it may require you to restart the server twice |
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Traxie21 |
I wish I could find a way for it to work without restarting iteslf, but whatever |
| 19:18 |
Traxie21 |
Aaaand |
| 19:18 |
Traxie21 |
now it's stuck in an auto-update loop, constantly updating itself XD |
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rubenwardy |
Traxie21: you could make it shut the server down, and then use a bash script to automatically restart it |
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rubenwardy |
os.quit() |
| 19:21 |
Traxie21 |
Indeed I could |
| 19:21 |
Traxie21 |
But, this is a mod |
| 19:21 |
rubenwardy |
but that is not very good for a server |
| 19:21 |
Traxie21 |
no bash scripts allowed :P |
| 19:21 |
rubenwardy |
meh |
| 19:21 |
Traxie21 |
However, after the updater is run, only one restart is needed |
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Traxie21 |
just fixed it |
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rubenwardy |
byew |
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rubenwardy |
*bye all |
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rubenwardy |
sapier: The node box generator 0.1 is almost ready to be released! |
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rubenwardy |
0.1 is still alpha |
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sapier |
lol :-) |
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sapier |
tooo late I already use meshes |
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jordan4ibanez |
how is the wield image set for nodeboxes? |
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jordan4ibanez |
like I mean, is there a way to hack nodeboxes into the item definition for the hand |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
rubenwardy i would like to see this generator |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
should i name the armor for example |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
"Gold Helmet" or "Golden Helmet" |
| 19:42 |
Traxie21 |
Alrighty, Update system 1.0 is ready! |
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Traxie21 |
*0.1 |
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VanessaE |
hi all |
| 19:42 |
Traxie21 |
Hia VanessaE! |
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Traxie21 |
I am about to release something awesome |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
"Gold Helmet" or "Golden Helmet" |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
which sounds better |
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sapier |
update system? |
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Issa |
/join #irlicht |
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Issa |
oups |
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PilzAdam |
jojoa1997|Tablet, golden |
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Issa |
sorry :) |
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Jordach |
VanessaE, sup |
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PilzAdam |
hey VanessaE |
| 19:43 |
VanessaE |
hey |
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bas080 |
My compliments for PilzAdam and aiding noobly. I'm sure you made his day! |
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VanessaE |
Jordach: as long as you have money to toss around, I take donations and anniversary gifts :-) |
| 19:44 |
Traxie21 |
VanessaE, do you have cURL installed? |
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Jordach |
VanessaE, i plan on keeping it as a is shit fucks up fund |
| 19:44 |
PilzAdam |
bas080, wut? |
| 19:44 |
Traxie21 |
on your computer/server |
| 19:45 |
bas080 |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5664 |
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khonkhortisan |
Thanks for the help PilzAdam |
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VanessaE |
Traxie21: yes, but I don't use it in Minetest |
| 19:45 |
Traxie21 |
Good |
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PilzAdam |
khonkhortisan, wut? |
| 19:46 |
khonkhortisan |
You're telling me what I did wrong with vertical particles(pawners) |
| 19:46 |
Traxie21 |
Fack, starts mod topic, cant decide what to write... |
| 19:46 |
Calinou |
jojoa1997|Tablet, golden helmet |
| 19:46 |
PilzAdam |
khonkhortisan, ah |
| 19:46 |
Calinou |
or just "butter helmet" if you don't want to do things the minecraft way |
| 19:47 |
Calinou |
VanessaE, curl lets you have a public server list and that's awesome :P |
| 19:47 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, I want you to create this for your server: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5722 |
| 19:47 |
PilzAdam |
:-p |
| 19:48 |
khonkhortisan |
It should be possible to make a mod (if it's loaded last) to make that |
| 19:48 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: holy moses in a basket |
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* PilzAdam |
was a bit bored |
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khonkhortisan |
default:sign_wall and fence_wood don't have to have overlapping lines |
| 19:50 |
VanessaE |
bbrb |
| 19:50 |
VanessaE |
brb |
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iqualfragile |
PilzAdam: can i get the dia file? |
| 19:53 |
PilzAdam |
sure: http://ompldr.org/vaTc5eg/Craft_no_tools.dia |
| 19:53 |
PilzAdam |
Im working on it currently |
| 19:53 |
PilzAdam |
adding some other mods from common |
| 19:54 |
iqualfragile |
ok |
| 19:55 |
Traxie21 |
HALP |
| 19:55 |
Traxie21 |
I need words so I can write them |
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bas080 |
Just use apple autocomplete |
| 19:56 |
bas080 |
See where it takes you |
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Traxie21 |
>_> |
| 19:56 |
Traxie21 |
duck you |
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iqualfragile |
PilzAdam: i would recomment exporting the image as svg so you do not need to squeeze it into a rechteck |
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Calinou |
+1 for SVG |
| 19:57 |
bas080 |
scale that svg. Kaboom! |
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PilzAdam |
yea, will do |
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Calinou |
kaboom? no, insta-medieval |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
VanessaE ping |
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VanessaE |
pong |
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Jordach |
Calinou, insta medieval duel |
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jordan4ibanez |
Pilzadam your name means mushroom adam? |
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iqualfragile |
yes it does |
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jordan4ibanez |
How silly |
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jin_xi |
trippy |
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jordan4ibanez |
Google translater has trouble speaking http://translate.google.com/#fr/en/VanessaE |
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TheLastProject |
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=515#comic :P |
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Calinou |
Jordach, lol, that always finishes in "epic fail" |
| 20:07 |
Calinou |
when both people die at same time :P |
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Jordach |
Calinou, always funny |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
Kaeza |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
with firearms make little smoke come out of the gun |
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Calinou |
that mod hasn't been updated in a while |
| 20:09 |
Calinou |
but with client side particles, you can do that, yeah |
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pilzjordan |
oh gosh |
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* pilzjordan |
slowly realizes pilzadam doesn't want people to call him mushroom |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
does anyone get a bug where something does not show in their inventory even if it doesnt have a not in creative group? |
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bas080 |
pilzjordan, how warm is it over there? |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
MushroomAdam |
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Calinou |
"pilz" sounds like "pills" |
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Calinou |
chill, pilz |
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Calinou |
8D |
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pilzjordan |
warm enough........... |
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pilzjordan |
for me to be a............ |
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pilzjordan |
FUNGI OHOHOHOHOHO |
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Calinou |
sounds like a reddit user making jokes |
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khonkhortisan |
Pilz prefers being called Adam. |
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PilzAdam |
lol |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
Tradie weilditem is working |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
MUSHROOM ping |
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Calinou |
"tradie", hello tablet user |
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* jojoa1997|Tablet |
hides |
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khonkhortisan |
Is webchat still quieted? |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
? |
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pilzjordan4ibapi |
This should minetest.net's comic http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=44#comic |
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khonkhortisan |
Someone spammed, then It was banned, then quieted instead. |
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Calinou |
jojoa1997|Tablet, heym I use qwerty on qn azerty keyboqrdm I4; qzeso;em seeM .D |
| 20:18 |
Calinou |
^ how typing on a smartphone feels |
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Traxie21 |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86116#p86116 |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
can i do |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
^[combine^[RTransfrom |
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pilzjordan4ibapi |
sfan5|OFF I fixed your code http://goo.gl/qvEjf |
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Telek |
VanessaE: Belatedly: Happy anniversary. |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
how do i do the rotate an image |
| 20:22 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: Disable fall bobbing by default; enable using fall_bobbing_amount = 1.0 36747794ab 2013-04-23T13:19:36-07:00 http://git.io/Mow4Zg |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
NO |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
how do i do the rotate an image |
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Traxie21 |
Updater finished: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86116#p86116 |
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Calinou |
celeron55, why? |
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Calinou |
view bobbing is on by default |
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Calinou |
this makes zero sense, really |
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Calinou |
the lack of fall bobbing removes a lot of feel to the game |
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VanessaE |
Telek: thanks :) |
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pilzjordan4ibapi |
He's right you know |
| 20:27 |
Calinou |
Traxie21, quick idea: if there is a file named "no_update.txt" in the mod directory, never update. |
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pilzjordan4ibapi |
at first it was weird, but then I got used to it, kind of like using a linux computer for anything |
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Calinou |
would be cool to prevent mod updates quickly |
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Traxie21 |
Calinou, you can already disable auto-updating, but I will consider that |
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VanessaE |
celeron55: noooo, turn that back on by default |
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Calinou |
+1 |
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Calinou |
there are games where you can't even disable it (I look at you, openarena), really, we're far from that |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
how do i do the rotate an image with ^[RTransform? |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
anyone? |
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khonkhortisan |
^[transformR90 |
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Traxie21 |
erm, no idea |
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pilzjordan4ibapi |
Can you have multiple textures on an item? |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
yes |
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khonkhortisan |
Yes, you can overlap many many textures |
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pilzjordan4ibapi |
I meant like a nodebox |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
is this possible |
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khonkhortisan |
I go as much as four |
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Telek |
Okay, finally got through the backscroll :D |
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PilzAdam |
iqualfragile, svg is unreadable in the forum topic |
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khonkhortisan |
background.png^layer1.png^layer2.png^top.png |
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* Telek |
thinks his brain is fried now however :D |
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PilzAdam |
or, well, the png was unreadable too |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
texture = texture.."^[transformR180^[combine:64x64:0,0="..weilded_item_texture |
| 20:31 |
Telek |
Oh, how are those new 'log' pieces done BTW? |
| 20:31 |
Telek |
Are they voxel arrays, meshes, or something else? |
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Traxie21 |
Calinou: I'm adding a variabled called never_update to version.txt |
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Calinou |
both ways work, but no_update.txt would be faster |
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Calinou |
GUI: create a file named no_update.txt |
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khonkhortisan |
> touch no_update.txt |
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Calinou |
CLI: echo "anything" > no_update.txt in mod dir |
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Calinou |
or what khonkhortisan said |
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iqualfragile |
PilzAdam: i think its allright, you couldnt ready it anyways and if you open it in a new tab you can just zoom |
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Telek |
Maybe 'tree trunk' is a better term. |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
is there something for rotating |
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Calinou |
screwdriver |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
no i mean images like ^[transformR90 |
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Traxie21 |
Calinou: Added never_update var |
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Traxie21 |
brb |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
Who made the sprinting code last night? |
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Calinou |
wb |
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Traxie21 |
ty |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
is it possible to have the players head bob being defined in a mod |
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Traxie21 |
not afaik jojoa |
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Calinou |
nope |
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Calinou |
what do you mean by that, too? |
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PilzAdam |
bye |
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khonkhortisan |
Would that be the mod directly bobbing the head, or telling the client how to do it? |
| 20:58 |
Traxie21 |
Cyas later! |
| 20:58 |
Traxie21 |
I'm off for a month or so :3 |
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harrison |
head bob being defined in a mob |
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harrison |
lyrical genius |
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harrison |
top 40 het gteed |
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Traxie21 |
Traxie21 over, and out! |
| 20:59 |
harrison |
top 40 hst g'teed |
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harrison |
HIT |
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Traxie21 |
what the duck harrison? |
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harrison |
<jojoa1997|Tablet> is it possible to have the players head bob being defined in a mod |
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harrison |
thought phrase was brilliant as lyric |
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khonkhortisan |
The lyrics for head bob being defined in a mob is a guaranteed top 40 hit. |
| 21:01 |
harrison |
head bob defined in a mod / ost my job on the minetest squad |
| 21:01 |
harrison |
lost |
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khonkhortisan |
I hear that in the rhythm of the ninja turtles theme song - I don't even watch that show |
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harrison |
in the unemployment line i will plod / ub-40 and a welfare fraud |
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khonkhortisan |
What should I do if someone tries to create a particlespawner without specifying a texture? |
| 21:07 |
Exio |
stab the one who tried :D |
| 21:07 |
khonkhortisan |
I'm not sure whether it should give an error, generate a texture, or use unknown_something |
| 21:08 |
khonkhortisan |
eh, I'll just generate. That's what nodes do. |
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celeron55 |
who cares as long as it doesn't crash 8) |
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Exio |
haha |
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Exio |
i saw blur |
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Exio |
and through someone had implemented it |
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khonkhortisan |
it probably would've, I'm just now initializing what the table is supposed to provide |
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khonkhortisan |
v3f pos, vel, acc; |
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khonkhortisan |
pos= vel= acc= v3f(0, 0, 0); |
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Exio |
v32 pos = vel = acc = v3f(0, 0, 0); doesn't work? |
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* jojoa1997|Tablet |
is back with dessert! Napolion Ice Cream!!! |
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khonkhortisan |
v32 vel, acc; v32 pos = vel = acc = v3f(0, 0, 0); works |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
do not scope icecream and then place the scooper to your tounge |
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khonkhortisan |
metal? |
| 21:15 |
khonkhortisan |
The first "=" stops variable creation, and changes it to initialization |
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Exio |
er |
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khonkhortisan |
v3f pos = v3f(0, 0, 0), vel = v3f(0, 0, 0), acc = v3f(0, 0, 0); also works |
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Exio |
sorry :P |
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khonkhortisan |
It's the kind of thing where it doesn't work like you expect it to, like if (a < b < c) |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
yeah metal |
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khonkhortisan |
I'll just ignore any extra keys in the table |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
celeron55 will mappable keys for any key be in the near future |
| 21:20 |
khonkhortisan |
not that kind of key :) |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
i know but i still want that |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
if i just define a nodebox does the selection box equal the same thing |
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khonkhortisan |
I expected it to crash on minetest.add_particlespawner({pos=true}) |
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VanessaE |
zzz |
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Traxie21 |
ZzZ |
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Kacey |
are we going to add rubies and what not to default? |
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ShadowNinja |
Kacey: Have you debuged pong? |
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Kacey |
no i have been busy today |
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Kacey |
maybe tomorrow |
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Kacey |
bbl maybe |
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Deivan |
I saw "camera.cpp" in the last git update... :-o |
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Deivan |
I need a camera to my secondary project video monitor. :D |
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kaeza |
greetings |
| 23:05 |
Deivan |
Hello. :) |
| 23:05 |
kaeza |
hey Deivan |
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ShadowNinja |
Hello kaeza! |
| 23:05 |
kaeza |
sup Shadow |
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Deivan |
:) |
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kaeza |
I'm having a small issue... |
| 23:06 |
ShadowNinja |
The sky ;-), and changing technics config system |
| 23:06 |
Deivan |
I am working in a kart mod... But the developing is going to slow... :-/ |
| 23:07 |
Deivan |
RL is killing me. |
| 23:07 |
Deivan |
:-o |
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kaeza |
I'm trying to make a 'get_pointd_thing' function that will work for longer ranges than the player is able to dig |
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Deivan |
:-o |
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kaeza |
anyone knows exacly what is the height of the "eyes" of the player? |
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ShadowNinja |
Check camera.cpp, 1.8 or 1.5 iirc |
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kaeza |
hmm |
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kaeza |
1.5 seems to be a bit high, but precise enough |
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Deivan |
get_look_pitch()? |
| 23:10 |
Deivan |
Maybe |
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kaeza |
and actually run fast! |
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kaeza |
runs* |
| 23:12 |
kaeza |
measured with os.clock(), it takes less than a microsecond to "cast" a ray to a max range of 20 nodes |
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ShadowNinja |
how about 100? |
| 23:12 |
kaeza |
heck, even less than a nanosecond :) |
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khonkhortisan |
kaeza, 1.5 + 2/16 EXACTLY |
| 23:13 |
khonkhortisan |
unless there is a node above your head, then it's 1.5 |
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ShadowNinja |
1000, 10000, 100000? |
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kaeza |
ah thanks khonkhortisan, I was trying to look that up |
| 23:14 |
ShadowNinja |
66000 = whole map, is that fast? |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
whty the change with the node |
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kaeza |
ShadowNinja, lemme test, but very high ranges are impossible to test; the ray would reach an unloaded block before |
| 23:14 |
ShadowNinja |
hmmm |
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ShadowNinja |
set the unload timeout to an hour or so for testing |
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khonkhortisan |
kaeza, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/player.h#L122 |
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khonkhortisan |
BS multiplies it by ten, but ignore that. |
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kaeza |
thanks khonkhortisan |
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kaeza |
ShadowNinja, 10ms for a 100 node range |
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kaeza |
(hit ignore) |
| 23:18 |
kaeza |
now I need to test with lots of entities |
| 23:18 |
ShadowNinja |
hmm, not bad, what are you thinking of doing with this? |
| 23:18 |
Exio |
kaeza: in C++? |
| 23:18 |
kaeza |
Exio, Lua |
| 23:18 |
TheBonsai |
ShadowNinja: lightsaber :))) |
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sokomine |
anyone willing to test my modified replacer? |
| 23:19 |
kaeza |
ShadowNinja, remove entities from firearms |
| 23:19 |
sokomine |
it can be found unter http://github.com/Sokomine/replacer |
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kaeza |
(i.e. simulate high velocity bullets) |
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ShadowNinja |
Ah, neat |
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sokomine |
i'd like to know how useful it now is for handling of nodes. especially regarding stairsplus ones. param1 and param2 are now stored, so you can rotate one stair in the right direction, sneak+right click on that, and then change all nodes you want to that type and rotation |
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sokomine |
does anyone know of a simple place to store a small image? can't acces zimg.eu right now |
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VanessaE |
ompldr |
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NakedFury |
imgur |
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sokomine |
thanks. i tried ompldr |
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sokomine |
hm. does not seem to work? |
| 23:40 |
sokomine |
ok. works now |
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drizz |
what would make /rollback fail? |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
MiniTest 1.4.1 "Small Fixes" will be released soon |
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sokomine |
i don't know how rollback really works |
| 23:47 |
sokomine |
anyone in a mood to test my modified replacer? |
| 23:48 |
sokomine |
i think it will be a great help with realbadangels new 6d facedir nodes... |
| 23:48 |
sokomine |
(or is nobody but me using slabs and panels?) |
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kaeza |
ShadowNinja, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_961452467.jpg |
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mauvebic |
i forgot i even filed this: http://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/6181 , 14 months later and no fix lol |
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mauvebic |
im afraid to ugprade VLC and find more broken stuff lol |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=86151#p86151 |
