| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
Guest74057 |
Bah, I don't even know where to fine #freenode. |
| 00:00 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
my computer would fare the best |
| 00:00 |
rarkenin |
Do /join #freenode |
| 00:00 |
* Guest74057 |
was kidding |
| 00:00 |
khonkhortisan |
we couldn't tell :) |
| 00:00 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
you would more likely hit water than it |
| 00:00 |
Menche |
my whois says "cingular" |
| 00:00 |
Guest74057 |
rarkenin seemed to think I was serious. |
| 00:00 |
Menche |
but I'm on AT&T |
| 00:01 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
atat |
| 00:01 |
khonkhortisan |
Menche, I already knew that |
| 00:01 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
ATAT |
| 00:01 |
rarkenin |
I'm sorry. |
| 00:01 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
STARWARS |
| 00:01 |
Guest74057 |
Sorry for? |
| 00:01 |
khonkhortisan |
there was another comcast on here earlier |
| 00:01 |
rarkenin |
Oh, I think AT&T and cingular merged. |
| 00:01 |
Menche |
and they didn't update the domain names? |
| 00:01 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
/join #minetest-dev |
| 00:01 |
rarkenin |
Well, that's comcastic! |
| 00:01 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
/join #minetest-dev |
| 00:01 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
/join #minetest-dev |
| 00:01 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
oh i had 3 spaces |
| 00:02 |
Guest74057 |
Anyway, the people at #freenode probably would just tell me to get a cloak. But I don't want a cloak, I want an answer. |
| 00:02 |
Exio |
jojoa1997|Tablet: use /nick jojoa1997|spammy |
| 00:02 |
Guest74057 |
I want to know WHY, not how to get around it. |
| 00:02 |
khonkhortisan |
You don't need a cloak, it should be a text field in your client menu |
| 00:02 |
khonkhortisan |
We'll be able to see what it is, but I think you can change it |
| 00:02 |
TROLOLOLOLOLOLOL |
muwhahahahaha |
| 00:03 |
rarkenin |
hahahahahaha |
| 00:03 |
TROLOLOLOLOL |
Trololololololololollolol. |
| 00:03 |
Guest74057 |
It doesn't list it. |
| 00:03 |
rarkenin |
im stupid |
| 00:03 |
TROLOLOLOLOL |
My nickname is registered/ |
| 00:03 |
Exio |
you should use /ns ghost |
| 00:04 |
Exio |
more often :) |
| 00:04 |
khonkhortisan |
Guest74057, what client do you use? |
| 00:04 |
khonkhortisan |
I just found where it was in xchat |
| 00:04 |
Exio |
for example, jojoa1997|Tablet may try to use some of my nicks, like "K1ra" |
| 00:04 |
Guest74057 |
Empathy. Also, when I whois myself, I get a wildcard address: *@c-50-137-60-25.hsd1.or.comcast.net |
| 00:04 |
Guest74057 |
No us_0gb. |
| 00:05 |
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| 00:06 |
NotReallyNick |
Someone, please /whois me, and tell me is us_0gb still shows up. |
| 00:06 |
Exio |
Menche: oops, sorry |
| 00:06 |
Exio |
just saw in the other channel the "K1ra" and did /ns ghost |
| 00:06 |
khonkhortisan |
You're ~NotReally@ |
| 00:06 |
Exio |
then went to here and saw you were :P |
| 00:07 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
comcast=cominist films |
| 00:07 |
NotReallyNick |
Okay. I found the field then, which was blank before. Also, I entered "NotReallyNick", so I guess it gets cut off. |
| 00:07 |
khonkhortisan |
So blank means your computer username |
| 00:07 |
NotReallyNick |
Apperently. |
| 00:08 |
NotReallyNick |
Exept on my other computer, my name is us0gb (no underscore), and I still show up as us_0gb here. |
| 00:09 |
NotReallyNick |
(Debian doesn't allow underscores.) |
| 00:10 |
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| 00:10 |
khonkhortisan |
You got rid of the Really |
| 00:11 |
NotReallyNick |
Yeah. Not really what? Not Nick works better if it's going to be cut off. |
| 00:13 |
NotReallyNick |
But really. I'm not Nick. So people shouldn't call me that. |
| 00:13 |
* NotReallyNick |
still needs a better name |
| 00:16 |
Menche |
is it normal to spawn for the first time up in the air? |
| 00:16 |
Menche |
lost 9 hp from that :( |
| 00:16 |
LordOfSwords |
I always spawn in the air. |
| 00:16 |
hmmmm |
it's not |
| 00:16 |
LordOfSwords |
Oh, wait. I forgot. I have a static spawn point. |
| 00:16 |
hmmmm |
i still haven't figured out what's going on with that exactly |
| 00:16 |
hmmmm |
and it was sort of forgotten about |
| 00:17 |
hmmmm |
some people like it since it gives you the feeling of being dumped on some island |
| 00:19 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
jordan4ibanez you there? |
| 00:19 |
LordOfSwords |
I set my spawn point to the very center of the map: 7.5,7.5,7.5. But it often left me stuck in mountains in new worlds. Now with my static seed, that isn't an issue, I just spawn above the water and fall in. |
| 00:19 |
jordan4ibanez |
Am I there? |
| 00:20 |
rarkenin |
Except you built a boat there now. |
| 00:20 |
LordOfSwords |
No I didn't. |
| 00:20 |
LordOfSwords |
The boat isn't at the center of that world, the tunnel entrance is. |
| 00:20 |
rarkenin |
Oh, wait, yeah. Oops. |
| 00:20 |
LordOfSwords |
Different static spawn point. |
| 00:21 |
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| 00:22 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
jordan4ibanez could you do mod reviews |
| 00:22 |
jordan4ibanez |
Some day |
| 00:22 |
jordan4ibanez |
bbsd |
| 00:22 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
also |
| 00:23 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
grrr |
| 00:28 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
why does every minecrap maft maker have to use adfly and mediafire |
| 00:29 |
* Menche |
doesn't like being force-fed advertising before downloading something |
| 00:29 |
* Menche |
likes being able to wget files from direct links |
| 00:29 |
* Menche |
hates adf.ly and mediafire |
| 00:30 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
mediafire doesnt work on my tablet |
| 00:30 |
sokomine |
yes :-( people ought to stop using mediafire. that requires javascript - which i forbid in my browser |
| 00:31 |
Menche |
what's the point of mediafire anyway? you can get free storage with direct links from UbuntuOne, dropbox, omploader, and probably others |
| 00:33 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i would use those but mediafire is the only thing that my tablet has an app for |
| 00:33 |
Menche |
...you just said it doesn't work on your tablet |
| 00:34 |
Menche |
and what OS does your tablet have? |
| 00:34 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
android |
| 00:34 |
Menche |
there's no ubuntuone or dropbox programs for android?!? |
| 00:34 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i cant download from others online but i can upload from app |
| 00:34 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
dropbox is yes trying now |
| 00:35 |
Menche |
how do you get information about a node? |
| 00:36 |
kaeza |
what kind of info? |
| 00:36 |
kaeza |
also, hi all again |
| 00:36 |
Menche |
i mean the node definition, not a node in the world |
| 00:36 |
Menche |
like the texture, description, esc |
| 00:36 |
Menche |
*etc |
| 00:36 |
kaeza |
minetest.registered_nodes[name] |
| 00:37 |
kaeza |
(where <name> is the fully qualified name such as "default:sand") |
| 00:37 |
Menche |
hmm, that's not documented on dev.minetest.net |
| 00:37 |
Menche |
thanks |
| 00:37 |
kaeza |
so, to get the tile at the top, you'd do minetest.registered_nodes["foomod:foonode"].tiles[1] |
| 00:37 |
kaeza |
np |
| 00:38 |
Menche |
ok |
| 00:38 |
kaeza |
it's documented in lua_api.txt |
| 00:38 |
Menche |
someone should update dev.minetest.net |
| 00:40 |
Menche |
oh, that's a table, not a function |
| 00:40 |
* Menche |
just noticed the square brackets |
| 00:40 |
InNeedOfANick |
Nice. |
| 00:40 |
khonkhortisan |
I tried it as a function yesterday |
| 00:40 |
* kaeza |
puts a Nick on InNeedOfANick's head |
| 00:40 |
kaeza |
:) |
| 00:41 |
InNeedOfANick |
And what nick is it? |
| 00:41 |
Menche |
so a craft guide could just iterate through that table and support everything? |
| 00:41 |
InNeedOfANick |
Yeah. |
| 00:41 |
* khonkhortisan |
takes the bounty nick |
| 00:46 |
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| 00:51 |
Menche |
what's the difference between "pairs" and "ipairs"? |
| 00:52 |
InNeedOfANick |
ipairs() is supposed to return the elements in key order. |
| 00:52 |
kaeza |
wut http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82085#p82085 |
| 00:52 |
InNeedOfANick |
It fails when I need it most though. |
| 00:52 |
Menche |
ipairs doesn't do the elements in order? |
| 00:52 |
kaeza |
Q: Who asks these questions? |
| 00:52 |
kaeza |
A: MEH!! |
| 00:52 |
Menche |
does it get all of them? |
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| 00:53 |
InNeedOfANick |
ipairs() is SUPPOSED to give them in order, and usually does, but not always. |
| 00:53 |
InNeedOfANick |
It does return all elements though. |
| 00:53 |
Menche |
if you don't care about the order, is there any difference? |
| 00:54 |
khonkhortisan |
If you don't care about the order, the order is still different. |
| 00:54 |
InNeedOfANick |
There's still a difference, but the difference would be ignorable. |
| 00:54 |
Menche |
*sigh* i mean, is the order the only difference? |
| 00:54 |
kaeza |
Menche "for i, v in ipairs(t) do" is basically the same as "for i = 1, #t do v = t[i]; ..." |
| 00:54 |
khonkhortisan |
"How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg." - Abraham Lincoln |
| 00:55 |
InNeedOfANick |
Actually, ipairs() MIGHT only return elements with numeric keys. |
| 00:55 |
khonkhortisan |
negligible |
| 00:55 |
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| 00:55 |
kaeza |
while pairs() returns the keys in an arbitrary order (*all* the keys) |
| 00:55 |
InNeedOfANick |
khonkhortisan: True. I take it you're on our side with the 0.4.6 versus 4.0.6 and 4.6 debate then. |
| 00:56 |
VanessaE |
hi all. |
| 00:56 |
* VanessaE |
is back |
| 00:56 |
Menche |
hi |
| 00:56 |
kaeza |
wb V |
| 00:56 |
InNeedOfANick |
Hey, VanessaE. |
| 00:56 |
khonkhortisan |
4.0.6 is more wrong than 4.6 |
| 00:56 |
khonkhortisan |
With 4.6 you can imply a starting wildcard |
| 00:56 |
InNeedOfANick |
It's less wrong, as it's closer when comparing version numbers. |
| 00:57 |
Menche |
a wildcard would make much more sense for the ending numbers |
| 00:57 |
InNeedOfANick |
There is no implied wildcard, in my opinion. |
| 00:57 |
InNeedOfANick |
Yeah, for ending maybe, but not starting. |
| 00:57 |
khonkhortisan |
well yeah, there's none. |
| 00:57 |
Menche |
like, 0.3.x = all 0.3 |
| 00:57 |
khonkhortisan |
I'll just go with what the version is now, not what it should be |
| 00:58 |
Menche |
but x.4.6 = 0.4.6, 1.4.6, etc; there's no real connection there |
| 00:58 |
Menche |
(besides, only one of those exists) |
| 00:58 |
khonkhortisan |
If we never have anything other than 0. it won't match anything else |
| 00:59 |
Menche |
anyway, none of them are real numbers, because they have 2 decimal points |
| 00:59 |
khonkhortisan |
4.6? |
| 00:59 |
* InNeedOfANick |
realizes that we all agree on the right version number, and are now debating on which wrong number is more wrong |
| 00:59 |
Menche |
after 4.9 comes 4.10, not 5, so no, that's not realy a number |
| 00:59 |
khonkhortisan |
fine with me |
| 01:00 |
khonkhortisan |
That's a right-aligned decimal |
| 01:00 |
khonkhortisan |
file browsers are bad at that |
| 01:00 |
InNeedOfANick |
Yeah, version numbers aren't exactly like mathematical numbers. |
| 01:00 |
* Menche |
says that the right number is 100% right and all wrong numbers are 100% wrong |
| 01:00 |
khonkhortisan |
Only a Sith sees in absolutes. |
| 01:00 |
InNeedOfANick |
Fair enough. |
| 01:00 |
InNeedOfANick |
What is a Sith? |
| 01:00 |
kaeza |
-.- |
| 01:00 |
Menche |
they're not mathematical numbers, so you can't say one is further from another |
| 01:00 |
khonkhortisan |
star wars reference |
| 01:01 |
VanessaE |
khonkhortisan: "deals in absolutes". |
| 01:01 |
khonkhortisan |
I have to be careful not to say trek |
| 01:01 |
khonkhortisan |
aw I got it wrong |
| 01:01 |
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| 01:01 |
VanessaE |
hand in your geek card. |
| 01:01 |
Menche |
obama: "I can't do a jedi mind-meld" |
| 01:01 |
khonkhortisan |
haha |
| 01:01 |
Menche |
lol |
| 01:01 |
khonkhortisan |
vulcan :) |
| 01:01 |
thefamilygrog66 |
howdy folks |
| 01:01 |
khonkhortisan |
hello |
| 01:01 |
VanessaE |
hey grog |
| 01:01 |
InNeedOfANick |
Hey, Grog. |
| 01:01 |
kaeza |
hey grog |
| 01:02 |
* InNeedOfANick |
was the only one to greet you with full punctuation. InNeedOfANick must love you the most. |
| 01:02 |
thefamilygrog66 |
that's a little creepy |
| 01:02 |
khonkhortisan |
hey, Grog |
| 01:02 |
* InNeedOfANick |
giggles |
| 01:02 |
thefamilygrog66 |
haha |
| 01:02 |
khonkhortisan |
Hey, grog |
| 01:03 |
InNeedOfANick |
No periods. |
| 01:03 |
khonkhortisan |
… |
| 01:03 |
kaeza |
wtff http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82088#p82088 |
| 01:03 |
thefamilygrog66 |
did you see my new mod, V? |
| 01:03 |
InNeedOfANick |
Also, you remember me. We've been best friends for like, forever. |
| 01:03 |
khonkhortisan |
That was also no periods… |
| 01:03 |
VanessaE |
grog: the living room furniture? |
| 01:03 |
khonkhortisan |
an actual ellipsis character |
| 01:03 |
thefamilygrog66 |
yeah! |
| 01:03 |
VanessaE |
I already put it on my server ;) |
| 01:03 |
Menche |
kaeza: that's the most i've seen him write |
| 01:03 |
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| 01:03 |
thefamilygrog66 |
oh cool :) what do you think? |
| 01:04 |
VanessaE |
Ilinke it |
| 01:04 |
VanessaE |
er |
| 01:04 |
Menche |
he must have copy-pasted that, the grammar's too good |
| 01:04 |
VanessaE |
I like it |
| 01:04 |
kaeza |
looks like copypasta from an article |
| 01:04 |
thefamilygrog66 |
haha, right on |
| 01:04 |
kaeza |
yep |
| 01:04 |
khonkhortisan |
5,877 worlds in one post |
| 01:04 |
VanessaE |
it fits in well alongside homedecor+3dforniture extensions |
| 01:04 |
Menche |
LOL, that has got to be the longest forum post there |
| 01:04 |
thefamilygrog66 |
do I need to change anything on the forum post to have it moved? |
| 01:04 |
VanessaE |
link?> |
| 01:04 |
khonkhortisan |
I was going to copy-search it, but it was too long for me to feel like it |
| 01:05 |
thefamilygrog66 |
cool, I was trying to complement what was already done, furniture-wise |
| 01:05 |
thefamilygrog66 |
there's a link in the post - is that what you mean? |
| 01:06 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I also made it to match the reworked beds mod |
| 01:06 |
thefamilygrog66 |
with the feathered 16x16 textures |
| 01:06 |
Menche |
searched part of that post, found 2 articles that are word-for-word the same |
| 01:06 |
VanessaE |
grog: moved |
| 01:06 |
Menche |
pictures and all |
| 01:07 |
thefamilygrog66 |
oh thanks V - you rock. |
| 01:07 |
kaeza |
khonkhortisan, 5877 worlds... looks good for an article about the Universe |
| 01:07 |
khonkhortisan |
oh yeah |
| 01:08 |
Menche |
http://www.ipod.org.uk/reality/reality_universe_computer.asp |
| 01:08 |
kaeza |
can we ban this guy already? |
| 01:08 |
Menche |
word-for-word the same |
| 01:08 |
Menche |
don't think he's done anything bannable |
| 01:08 |
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| 01:08 |
thefamilygrog66 |
some plagiarism going on? |
| 01:09 |
Menche |
maybe delete that topic |
| 01:12 |
* InNeedOfANick |
found a sky jungle |
| 01:13 |
NakedFury |
this is spam |
| 01:13 |
NakedFury |
delete it |
| 01:13 |
NakedFury |
ohh its on offtopic |
| 01:13 |
thefamilygrog66 |
which post? |
| 01:13 |
NakedFury |
the one with the likid guy |
| 01:14 |
thefamilygrog66 |
which forum? |
| 01:14 |
NakedFury |
im late for that conversation nvm |
| 01:14 |
mauvebic |
dispose of him, in the woods |
| 01:15 |
thefamilygrog66 |
haha |
| 01:15 |
InNeedOfANick |
The sky jungle id broken. The isle it's on has several flat sides along map blocks. |
| 01:15 |
thefamilygrog66 |
good call on the grammar, kaeza... |
| 01:15 |
kaeza |
;) |
| 01:15 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I have no idea what he was going on about on my mod post |
| 01:16 |
thefamilygrog66 |
sometime about windows 95 and why likwid is such a cool name |
| 01:16 |
thefamilygrog66 |
*something |
| 01:17 |
Menche |
i usually don't like people who say "TL;DR", but it think it's acceptable in this case |
| 01:17 |
* Menche |
has trouble scrolling past all of that |
| 01:17 |
thefamilygrog66 |
haha |
| 01:18 |
InNeedOfANick |
Is there a way to delete map blocks so they regenerate? |
| 01:18 |
khonkhortisan |
It bothers me when I put a file on my flash drive^M |
| 01:18 |
khonkhortisan |
and when I get it back it's changed^M |
| 01:19 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I don't think it's rude when it's about a copy-paste job, menche |
| 01:19 |
Menche |
right, i think it's acceptable in this case :P |
| 01:19 |
thefamilygrog66 |
yessir |
| 01:20 |
Menche |
"Oh look up Likwid on Unban Directory I didn't post it I found out about it few weeks, ago." |
| 01:20 |
Menche |
what's an Unban Dictionary? |
| 01:20 |
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| 01:21 |
thefamilygrog66 |
unban directory is a coding forum, I think |
| 01:21 |
Menche |
lol |
| 01:21 |
thefamilygrog66 |
not to be confused with urban dictionary |
| 01:21 |
Menche |
i think he might have meant "Urban Dictionary"? |
| 01:21 |
thefamilygrog66 |
possibly, but I googled unban directory and it pertained to code, so ya never know |
| 01:22 |
Menche |
well, he spelled "item frames" as "item flames" |
| 01:22 |
Menche |
for *every single* node definition in his mod |
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| 01:22 |
Dogzilla131 |
Hi |
| 01:22 |
Menche |
hello |
| 01:22 |
Dogzilla131 |
How to you put a mod only for one world? |
| 01:23 |
ShadowNinja |
MinetestBot isn’t back yet it seems |
| 01:23 |
Menche |
"Believe me when I say this... Likwid Is a smart user..." |
| 01:23 |
Menche |
Dogzilla131: make a "worldmods" folder in the world folder |
| 01:23 |
ShadowNinja |
I don't want to have a conflict when it does however... |
| 01:24 |
Menche |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Likwid |
| 01:24 |
Menche |
he was referencing urban dictionary |
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| 01:25 |
thefamilygrog66 |
haha, nice |
| 01:26 |
* thefamilygrog66 |
is gonna make a "grog is the best" definition on there... |
| 01:26 |
Menche |
maybe he's "sitting on mounds of cash", but the other two definitions don't seem to fit |
| 01:26 |
Menche |
lol, some of those definitions have spelling mistakes. You think... ? |
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| 01:27 |
Menche |
who can make definitions? |
| 01:27 |
khonkhortisan |
it's like wikipedia, without the professionalism |
| 01:27 |
kaeza |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82107#p82107 â—• â—¡ â—• |
| 01:28 |
ds-2k |
InNeedOfANick: You can delete MapBlocks using an sqlite command line tool or something like sqlitebrowser |
| 01:28 |
* Menche |
defines "minetest" as "the greatest game in human history" |
| 01:28 |
Menche |
and then reference the definition everewhere |
| 01:28 |
Menche |
*everywhere |
| 01:28 |
InNeedOfANick |
Okay, thanks ds-2k. |
| 01:28 |
ds-2k |
InNeedOfANick: but you need to calculate the block position |
| 01:29 |
InNeedOfANick |
Define Windows as the worlds worst operating system while you're at it. |
| 01:29 |
Menche |
and Mac as, a brick? |
| 01:30 |
InNeedOfANick |
Yeah, I can use an in-game command I have to calculate position. The hard part win be finding all the blocks to delete without generating the blocks around them. |
| 01:30 |
InNeedOfANick |
What's wrong with Macs? I used to be a Mac guy. |
| 01:30 |
Menche |
really locked down and inflexible |
| 01:31 |
thefamilygrog66 |
^ that |
| 01:31 |
thefamilygrog66 |
proprietary |
| 01:31 |
thefamilygrog66 |
overpriced |
| 01:31 |
Menche |
yes. |
| 01:31 |
Menche |
yes and yes. |
| 01:31 |
InNeedOfANick |
At least they function though, unlike Windows. |
| 01:31 |
Menche |
true. |
| 01:31 |
thefamilygrog66 |
pretty looking though |
| 01:31 |
khonkhortisan |
Macs have been assimilated. |
| 01:31 |
thefamilygrog66 |
windows works fine for me |
| 01:31 |
Menche |
"pretty looking though" i disagree. |
| 01:31 |
thefamilygrog66 |
so does linux though |
| 01:32 |
Menche |
depends on the theme |
| 01:32 |
InNeedOfANick |
Linux does what? |
| 01:32 |
khonkhortisan |
I'm going to look for specific functions, if they aren't commented out, and if those comments aren't quoted. How far do I have to go with the exceptions? |
| 01:32 |
Menche |
on Mac, you can change the desktop background, the location of the dock, anything else? |
| 01:33 |
InNeedOfANick |
Why do you need to change the appearance? Sure, that's a nice feature, but it's not all computers can do. |
| 01:33 |
thefamilygrog66 |
*linux also works fine for me |
| 01:34 |
Menche |
I've heard that it is possible to install another DE, but that it's really hard |
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Menche |
on linux it's simple to install 5 and switch between them |
| 01:34 |
InNeedOfANick |
Why am I trying to stand up for Macs right now, anyway? It's not like I particularly care. I did have to migrate away from them for a reason. |
| 01:34 |
mauvebic |
lol doublepost? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=80862#p80862 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82047#p82047 |
| 01:35 |
* Menche |
thought he had seen that befoer |
| 01:35 |
Menche |
*before |
| 01:35 |
mauvebic |
me too lol |
| 01:35 |
InNeedOfANick |
Apple won't let me install OS X on non-Apple hardware. That's all I need to know, I guess. |
| 01:35 |
InNeedOfANick |
SO I can't put it on my Toshiba Satellite. |
| 01:35 |
InNeedOfANick |
*So |
| 01:36 |
Menche |
you can, if you're careful about getting the right hardware |
| 01:36 |
Menche |
and you have to install kernel extensions for some hardware |
| 01:36 |
InNeedOfANick |
I read that was illegal. Is that untrue? |
| 01:37 |
mauvebic |
lol |
| 01:37 |
mauvebic |
and whos gonna bust you? |
| 01:37 |
Menche |
not sure, I'm sure Apple would love to sue for that if they found out, anyway |
| 01:37 |
mauvebic |
if law enforcements' focusing on that, it sure explains alot of deficits |
| 01:37 |
InNeedOfANick |
It's not about if I get caught, it's about doing the right thing. |
| 01:37 |
mauvebic |
you'd be the first :p |
| 01:37 |
Menche |
the Supreme Court ruled that jailbreaking is legal, so no qualms about that |
| 01:38 |
Menche |
didn't Apple win a lawsuit over Samsung copying a rounded rectangle design? |
| 01:39 |
mauvebic |
by the unbiased Koh |
| 01:39 |
InNeedOfANick |
In any case, I made the switch already, and both Ubuntu and Mint work better for me. |
| 01:39 |
mauvebic |
in apple's home jurisdiction |
| 01:39 |
InNeedOfANick |
Debian doesn't like me though. |
| 01:39 |
mauvebic |
bottom line, you own the hardware, and the 1's and 0's wont matter much in two years' time so |
| 01:40 |
Menche |
a brick is actually more flexible than a Mac. You can use a brick to build a house, wall, or anything you want, without fear of legal action |
| 01:40 |
InNeedOfANick |
Yeah, but the ones and zeros are still illegal to use on the hardware I own. |
| 01:41 |
mauvebic |
again, if anyone's wasting time enforcing that, i should stop paying taxes cuz i could put the money to better use (business, jobs, etc.) |
| 01:41 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I have no issues with the Zorin/Ubuntu I'm running on my desktop |
| 01:41 |
InNeedOfANick |
I can build things on a Mac too, just not using proprietary software as a base. I'd have the same issue on Linux. |
| 01:41 |
InNeedOfANick |
I haven't used Zorin, but Ubuntu is nice. |
| 01:42 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Zorin's pretty much a skin for Ubuntu, to make it look more Windows-y |
| 01:42 |
Menche |
Zorin = Ubuntu made to look like windows? |
| 01:42 |
thefamilygrog66 |
exactly |
| 01:42 |
Menche |
i think they have different versions made to look like XP, 7, etc |
| 01:42 |
thefamilygrog66 |
my family can use it, but not get it infected |
| 01:42 |
InNeedOfANick |
I don't need it then. gnome-fallback is a fine interface for me. |
| 01:42 |
thefamilygrog66 |
they do |
| 01:43 |
thefamilygrog66 |
(have different settings) |
| 01:43 |
* InNeedOfANick |
wonders if he can get his mother to switch to Zorin |
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thefamilyg|away |
stupid long nicks... |
| 01:49 |
khonkhortisan |
Would anyone mind if I used a goto in place of continue in lua? |
| 01:52 |
telek |
Hey, is there a way to control fire spread? |
| 01:52 |
* telek |
just had somebody cause a firestorm that's spreading to every tree across the populated section of his server. |
| 01:54 |
ds-2k |
telek: maybe shutdown the server and alias fire:basic_flame to some other node |
| 01:54 |
Menche |
delete fire and alias fire:basic_flame to air |
| 01:55 |
ShadowNinja |
we should have a conf option for fire, most servers disable it |
| 01:55 |
telek |
So there's no settings regarding fire spread/burn time you can change? |
| 01:55 |
khonkhortisan |
it's in the abm |
| 01:55 |
VanessaE |
telek: nope, not globally |
| 01:55 |
telek |
Seriously though, it's burning too fast for me to stop with fly and water nodes, so for regular players it'd be impossible. |
| 01:55 |
VanessaE |
you have tune the fire abm and tune the flammability of all the affected nodes, by hand |
| 01:55 |
telek |
Ugh |
| 01:56 |
telek |
Somebody needs to change the default propogation rate to be lower. |
| 01:56 |
Menche |
is there a function to generate the inventory cube from another texture? |
| 01:58 |
Menche |
nvm found it, minetest.inventorycube |
| 01:58 |
VanessaE |
telek: I complained about that months ago. My complaint was summarily dismissed. |
| 01:58 |
telek |
>.< |
| 01:58 |
telek |
Lags like heck too. |
| 01:59 |
VanessaE |
mmhmm. |
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telek |
Well at least nobody has been on since february so I haven't lost anything as far as the players are concerned :D |
| 02:08 |
thefamilygrog66 |
hey, is it possible to change a player's default walking speed or jump height if they use (e.g. eat) an object? |
| 02:08 |
kaeza |
yes |
| 02:08 |
thefamilygrog66 |
just for a set period of time |
| 02:08 |
kaeza |
with the new API |
| 02:08 |
kaeza |
{{cn}} |
| 02:09 |
thefamilygrog66 |
cool - where should I read up about that? |
| 02:10 |
kaeza |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1365 |
| 02:10 |
thefamilygrog66 |
thanks kaeza |
| 02:10 |
kaeza |
np :) |
| 02:11 |
kaeza |
It was merged today IIRC |
| 02:13 |
thefamilygrog66 |
in 0.4.6 or newer? |
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Dogzilla131 |
hi kaeza |
| 02:25 |
kaeza |
hey dawg |
| 02:25 |
kaeza |
thefamilygrog66, it'll be in 0.4.7 stable. for now you'll have to compile from git |
| 02:26 |
kaeza |
s/0.4.7/0.5.0/ ? |
| 02:27 |
thefamilygrog66 |
ok, thanks |
| 02:27 |
Kacey |
http://ifunny.mobi/#h18IjqSo |
| 02:29 |
* thefamilygrog66 |
is too lazy to figure out how to compile for windows, and also too lazy to go sit at the linux desktop... |
| 02:30 |
kaeza |
thefamilygrog66, use PilzAdam's Win32 builds then :) |
| 02:30 |
kaeza |
he keeps them up to date with latest git |
| 02:31 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I think it's 0.4.6.95 or something like that - will it still work? |
| 02:31 |
VanessaE |
thefamilygrog66: run my amd64 linux build :) |
| 02:31 |
kaeza |
LOL http://ifunny.mobi/#HhqNeMuf |
| 02:31 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I don't mind compiling for linux, but I'm on my windows laptop currently, V. |
| 02:31 |
VanessaE |
thefamilygrog66: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82015#p82015 |
| 02:31 |
VanessaE |
oh, ok |
| 02:32 |
VanessaE |
that's what ssh is for ;) |
| 02:32 |
thefamilygrog66 |
oh yeah, I could still do that, I suppose. Already have 0.4.5 server running on the linux box, though... |
| 02:33 |
thefamilygrog66 |
but it's standalone. nevermind me, just thinking out loud. I mean with my fingers. |
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Kacey |
good night everyone |
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ShadowNinja |
everyone want ShadowBot back? It should now part if MinetestBot joins |
| 03:13 |
Menche |
can still use it via /msg if it's not on the channel |
| 03:19 |
ShadowNinja |
yep, should it join, if noone responds I will assume so |
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mauvebic |
idc so long as it ignore abusers like markv :p |
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| 03:25 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
ok this is the limit http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82088#p82088 |
| 03:26 |
mauvebic |
not news |
| 03:26 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
he HAS TO STOP DOING this |
| 03:26 |
mauvebic |
report the post, ask for ban? |
| 03:27 |
mauvebic |
THIS is the limit lol http://ompldr.org/vaTBsMg/screenshot_3787641149.png |
| 03:27 |
Menche |
"Well I still like know everything, and like they say someday we will." <-- he knows everything, or he would like to know everything? |
| 03:28 |
mauvebic |
seriously maybe we could start a fund to replace old hardware and get decent lighting lol (see img above) |
| 03:29 |
kaeza |
time to go. good night everyone |
| 03:30 |
VanessaE |
bedtime for him at THIS hour? |
| 03:30 |
VanessaE |
that's unusual. |
| 03:30 |
mauvebic |
can i run an abm on air? |
| 03:31 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
vanessae what is your up times |
| 03:31 |
ShadowNinja |
I am not sure if he is a spammer or not... |
| 03:31 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
from wake to sleep |
| 03:31 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
he has made a mod |
| 03:31 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
and also he sent me a map cause he needed help with world edit and it is good |
| 03:31 |
Menche |
Likwid? |
| 03:31 |
ShadowNinja |
mauvebic: that sounds like a great way to make a server laggy |
| 03:31 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
but he needs to post RELEVENT stuff |
| 03:31 |
mauvebic |
well i need to fix this shadow mess |
| 03:32 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997|Tablet: it varies. Some days I might be lucky to have 12 hours of wake time, other days I might push it to 20 hours. |
| 03:32 |
mauvebic |
abm on air seems like the simplest way |
| 03:32 |
VanessaE |
ABM ON AIR!? |
| 03:32 |
VanessaE |
are you INSANE? |
| 03:32 |
mauvebic |
http://ompldr.org/vaTBsMg/screenshot_3787641149.png |
| 03:32 |
mauvebic |
^^^^^^ |
| 03:32 |
sdzen |
is it like on ice but cooler? |
| 03:32 |
mauvebic |
how would you fix that then? |
| 03:32 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: where are the shadows coming from? |
| 03:32 |
mauvebic |
dont ask me lol |
| 03:32 |
telek |
Actually for that matter, are ABMs multithreaded yet? |
| 03:33 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
shaw shank redemtion |
| 03:33 |
Exio |
nothing in lua is "multithreaded" |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: use worldedit. Select the region (//pos1, //pos2) and //fixlight to reset the light in that area. |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
be sure you 'over select' |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
(select WAY more than you need) |
| 03:33 |
mauvebic |
i can do that with multinode, its not faster with either mod |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
then go off and make a sandwidth while it chrusn. |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
churns* |
| 03:33 |
Menche |
a sandwidth? |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
sandwich, too |
| 03:33 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
how can i make freenode.net never log me off |
| 03:34 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997|Tablet: you just have to make sure you never lose connection |
| 03:34 |
VanessaE |
that's all |
| 03:34 |
VanessaE |
you'll stay logged in indefinitely. |
| 03:34 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
how does sfan5 do it |
| 03:34 |
mauvebic |
i cant keep going around running fixlight on everything either, beginning to spend more time on that than building |
| 03:34 |
Exio |
znc |
| 03:34 |
Exio |
you need a server to run it |
| 03:34 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
grr |
| 03:34 |
Exio |
the other way is use a vps/server with an irc client (as i do it :P) |
| 03:35 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997|Tablet: that's the only way to do it - you have to have a computer somewhere running an irc client |
| 03:35 |
mauvebic |
but theres nothing *technically* preventing me from running abm on air? |
| 03:35 |
VanessaE |
even if it's in a detached 'screen' session. |
| 03:35 |
Exio |
yes, your hardware |
| 03:35 |
Exio |
it will don't like you |
| 03:35 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: running abms on air is crazy. there's too much of it |
| 03:35 |
Menche |
jojoa1997|Tablet: i think there's a service that keeps you logged in |
| 03:35 |
VanessaE |
it would be 10x worse than running one on stone. |
| 03:35 |
Exio |
irccloud? |
| 03:35 |
Menche |
forget what |
| 03:36 |
Exio |
you need an invite for using it |
| 03:36 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
haha |
| 03:36 |
Exio |
from someone using it what has invite lefts |
| 03:36 |
mauvebic |
it might be crazy lol but the lighting/shadow thing has me exasperated lol so im willing to try it :p |
| 03:36 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i made a mod to make a world degrading map |
| 03:36 |
Exio |
degrading? |
| 03:36 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
an abm for each node to become air |
| 03:37 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
runs really god |
| 03:37 |
mauvebic |
no an abm on air, to remove air |
| 03:37 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
no |
| 03:37 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
it makes nodes air |
| 03:37 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: anyway, all you have to do is make sure you nodeupdate(pos) each time you add a node to the map. |
| 03:37 |
VanessaE |
if I understand that function correctly. |
| 03:37 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
now combine with your mod and it is true turnil |
| 03:37 |
mauvebic |
i thought nodeupdate made nodes fall? |
| 03:37 |
VanessaE |
or you can dig_node() on the positions around the added nodes. |
| 03:38 |
VanessaE |
yes, it does, but it also somehow forces a lighting update. |
| 03:38 |
mauvebic |
i thought c55 said remove_node would be better for that? |
| 03:38 |
VanessaE |
not if you are operating on *air* |
| 03:38 |
mauvebic |
so i could abm air -> nodeupdate(air) |
| 03:38 |
VanessaE |
if you dig air, it forces the lighting around the air node to be updated. |
| 03:38 |
VanessaE |
that's how worldedit's //fixlight command works. |
| 03:38 |
mauvebic |
i know how it works its just not designed for doing it on a large scale |
| 03:39 |
telek |
Hrmm |
| 03:39 |
mauvebic |
and that ocean is going to be 10x as big |
| 03:39 |
telek |
Somebody should also work on the audio triggers so rather than doing individual triggers per node it does it per block or something |
| 03:39 |
mauvebic |
i keep hearing about HW lighting, could be worthwile patch |
| 03:39 |
telek |
That large-scale fire I mentioned hangs the audio periodically. |
| 03:40 |
telek |
HW lighting? |
| 03:40 |
telek |
Isn't it already? |
| 03:40 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
vanessae could you add this to your server http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2784 |
| 03:40 |
mauvebic |
dunno, the way it was brought up i thought it wasn't |
| 03:40 |
mauvebic |
so whats the next level up then? |
| 03:40 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
what is |
| 03:40 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
HW lighting |
| 03:41 |
telek |
HW=Hardware |
| 03:41 |
telek |
I assume it means having the GPU calculate all the lighting effects itself rather than the current server-side per-node calculations. |
| 03:41 |
Exio |
lighting what is accelerated by the hardware |
| 03:41 |
Exio |
super-logic ^ |
| 03:41 |
telek |
Exio: FYI s/what/that/ |
| 03:42 |
Exio |
ah |
| 03:42 |
mauvebic |
i know my gfx cards can do better lighting than this |
| 03:42 |
telek |
I can't tell you the grammatical rule that causes that, but that's the proper way to phrase it :) |
| 03:42 |
Exio |
what gfx do you have? |
| 03:42 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997|Tablet: no, I don't see a need for it, and it requires /give privilege. |
| 03:42 |
mauvebic |
nvidia on one and ati radeonhd on the other |
| 03:42 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
:( |
| 03:42 |
Exio |
telek: thanks, it is because it "translate it more directly" (spanish -> english) |
| 03:42 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
what happens when someone reports a post |
| 03:43 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
what hapens behind the scenes\ |
| 03:43 |
NotReallyNick |
jojoa1997|Tablet: What do you mean by world degrading? It makes the world rot? |
| 03:43 |
Exio |
"lighting que .." "lighting what ..." |
| 03:43 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997|Tablet: a report entry is added to a list that the admins can look at is all |
| 03:44 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
0gb it makes the world lose all of its nodes through a abm |
| 03:44 |
Exio |
i prefer a generate_ore |
| 03:44 |
mauvebic |
and you guys said i was nuts: http://ompldr.org/vaTBsNg/screenshot_3801547133.png |
| 03:44 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
so |
| 03:44 |
NotReallyNick |
jojoa1997|Tablet: Why do you want all the nodes to vanish? |
| 03:44 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
what you do therte> |
| 03:45 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
it is fun |
| 03:45 |
telek |
Exio: Gotcha. English to/from anything doesn't translate nearly as well as most other languages to any other :D |
| 03:45 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
to jump from block to blcok |
| 03:45 |
NotReallyNick |
mauvebic: Personally, I never said you were nuts, but what is that screenshot? What are we looking at? |
| 03:46 |
mauvebic |
rapid elimination of unwanted shadows |
| 03:47 |
NotReallyNick |
Nice! |
| 03:47 |
mauvebic |
(which accounts for about 90% of shadows on my map) |
| 03:47 |
Exio |
telek: i need to be happy i can write something what isn't nonsense! :P |
| 03:47 |
telek |
What does unwanted shadows mean? |
| 03:47 |
Exio |
(what isn't nonsense?) |
| 03:47 |
mauvebic |
http://ompldr.org/vaTBsNg/screenshot_3801547133.png |
| 03:47 |
telek |
Exio: Hehehe :D Pretty much everything is. |
| 03:48 |
mauvebic |
^ unwanted shadows |
| 03:48 |
telek |
Whoa. |
| 03:48 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
it is allthe stuff in the air |
| 03:48 |
telek |
How did you get the block distance that far out? |
| 03:48 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: I get those too :-/ except they aren't usually as dark. |
| 03:48 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82089#p82089 |
| 03:48 |
telek |
Ahh so all the weird dark squares on the water surface? |
| 03:49 |
VanessaE |
http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_3713013400.png |
| 03:49 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: ^^^^^ |
| 03:49 |
mauvebic |
i dont suppose theres a way to disable shadows completely without also disabling lights? |
| 03:49 |
mauvebic |
dang |
| 03:50 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
ok reapeat after me "directories are good, foldersare my friend, an uncluttered desktop keeps the technition away" |
| 03:50 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997|Tablet: look at my desktop image. |
| 03:50 |
Menche |
? |
| 03:50 |
mauvebic |
if presti's good with noise, fixing the shadows shouldn't be too hard for him? |
| 03:50 |
VanessaE |
(bottom of the "desktop screenies" thread) |
| 03:51 |
NotReallyNick |
Yeah, I need to post mine. My desktop is bare, but I have a nice wallpaper. |
| 03:51 |
Menche |
is j4i really using windows 98 or is it just themed like that |
| 03:51 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
WTF |
| 03:51 |
Exio |
windows xp |
| 03:51 |
Menche |
ah, with the "classic" theme |
| 03:52 |
Menche |
people still use XP? |
| 03:52 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Mine is nice |
| 03:52 |
* Menche |
doesn't see his desktop wallpaper that much |
| 03:52 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
It is a slideshow of the Minetest backgrounds topic I posted |
| 03:52 |
Menche |
i use a tiling wm |
| 03:53 |
Exio |
what wm? |
| 03:53 |
Menche |
i3 |
| 03:54 |
Exio |
ah |
| 03:54 |
Menche |
a space on your desktop where you can see the background is wasted space. |
| 03:54 |
mauvebic |
lol |
| 03:54 |
mauvebic |
i have ... let me count em |
| 03:54 |
mauvebic |
0 icons |
| 03:55 |
Menche |
i don't have desktop icons, don't see much use for them |
| 03:55 |
VanessaE |
the only desktop icons on my machine are the ones that are there by default, plus if I have my backup drive turned on. |
| 03:55 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Mine are grouped |
| 03:56 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Normal along entire left side |
| 03:56 |
mauvebic |
shadows = 90% gone |
| 03:56 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Group of games it middle top |
| 03:56 |
NotReallyNick |
My desktop icons are in name only: they're in my menu. |
| 03:56 |
Menche |
with my window manager, 100% of the desktop is taken up by windows |
| 03:56 |
Exio |
^ same |
| 03:56 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Small group of random stuff super right |
| 03:56 |
Exio |
i'm enabling the "tilling" mode just for a screenshot |
| 03:57 |
VanessaE |
everything I run frequently is in that usually-hidden drop-down panel visible in the screenshot (left screen, top). Everything else is buried in the menus in the hidden lower panel. |
| 03:57 |
NotReallyNick |
Manche: Awesome window manager? |
| 03:57 |
Exio |
err |
| 03:57 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
And an island in between games and utility section |
| 03:57 |
Exio |
not tilling, floating |
| 03:57 |
Menche |
plus it can be controlled entirely from the keyboard |
| 03:57 |
Exio |
NotReallyNick: he said i3 |
| 03:57 |
Menche |
NotReallyNick: i3-wm |
| 03:57 |
NotReallyNick |
Sorry, missed it. Holding three conversations at once. |
| 03:58 |
Menche |
my "destkop wallpaper" is usually plain black, 'cuz i usually can't see it anyway |
| 03:58 |
NotReallyNick |
I chose the darkest wallpaper that came with the operating system. I used to use custom wallpapers, but not any more. |
| 03:58 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Lala |
| 03:59 |
NotReallyNick |
With the work space switcher, I catch glimpses of the desktop. |
| 03:59 |
Exio |
i'll upload a screenshot of my desktop! |
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| 04:00 |
Exio |
here we go, http://cadoth.net/~exio4/screenshots/dwm-nf.png ! |
| 04:00 |
Exio |
:D |
| 04:02 |
Menche |
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6149/sceens.png |
| 04:02 |
Exio |
oh, netbook now? |
| 04:02 |
Menche |
no... |
| 04:02 |
Menche |
oh, imageshack must have resized it |
| 04:03 |
Exio |
what the hell |
| 04:03 |
Exio |
ah |
| 04:03 |
Menche |
? |
| 04:03 |
Exio |
1024xnearly600 |
| 04:03 |
Exio |
that is why i said what the hell |
| 04:03 |
Menche |
my screen is 1366x768 |
| 04:03 |
Menche |
imageshack resizes images |
| 04:03 |
Exio |
imgur > imageshack |
| 04:04 |
Exio |
i need to get a dwm working on my laptop |
| 04:05 |
bas080 |
i can hear clearly now the birds are whistling. Wear air protection when going to a club kids! |
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| 04:06 |
mauvebic |
there, a quick fix for a nasty bug : http://ompldr.org/vaTBsNw/screenshot_3802808604.png |
| 04:07 |
bas080 |
kaboom baby |
| 04:07 |
telek |
Nice Mauvebic! |
| 04:07 |
telek |
What's with all the circles BTW? |
| 04:07 |
mauvebic |
air abm even fixed all the nasty shadows under my spawned ships |
| 04:08 |
telek |
Ships? |
| 04:08 |
telek |
Like multiperson movable ships? |
| 04:08 |
sdzen |
goodbye #minetest |
| 04:08 |
mauvebic |
they dont move :p |
| 04:08 |
telek |
Goodbye sdzen! |
| 04:08 |
Exio |
s/minetest/world/ |
| 04:08 |
Exio |
bye sdzen! |
| 04:08 |
VanessaE |
*looks at sdzen* |
| 04:08 |
mauvebic |
circles = where i lowered the ground level |
| 04:08 |
telek |
mauvebic: Bummer and Ahh. |
| 04:09 |
mauvebic |
the only way i can *move* the ships would be to remove them and respawn elsewhere |
| 04:09 |
mauvebic |
which is too hackish for my taste lol |
| 04:09 |
Menche |
or convert them to entities? -> laaaaag |
| 04:09 |
Exio |
that is in the TODO list :P |
| 04:09 |
Exio |
of hmmmm |
| 04:09 |
Menche |
might be neat to have a smaller ship converted to an entity and flown |
| 04:09 |
mauvebic |
though to move that many nodes, it would be better if it was the server moving around it (like warp drive, in theory) |
| 04:09 |
telek |
If we got seafaring ships working we'd just need to coopt the skill/stat system from a UO emulator and we'd be almost feature-complete to claim their playerbase :D |
| 04:10 |
Menche |
anyone seen StarMade? |
| 04:10 |
Menche |
a game that allows you to build and then fly ships |
| 04:10 |
telek |
Actually the way I'd come up with to handle it was have it work on the block level rather than node :) |
| 04:10 |
mauvebic |
like, mini servers within servers, where the ships would be |
| 04:10 |
telek |
Menche: Nope, Hazeron had similiar functionality though. |
| 04:11 |
Menche |
would it be practical to convert a small selecton of nodes to entities and attach them to each other? |
| 04:11 |
mauvebic |
even though the ships cant move, im working towards making the steamships functional (coal fired engines, pipes for steam, funnels already working) |
| 04:12 |
telek |
Cool mauvebic. |
| 04:15 |
mauvebic |
i got most of the nice early 20th century ocean liners from cunard and white star :-) |
| 04:16 |
telek |
I don't know how to actually implement it, but doing the ships as basically a set of 'virtual blocks', without normal world interaction, but with their blocks acting as giant collision boxes to check against either when the ship moves, an object enters their space, or a node in an overlapping 'real' block is modified, and then running physics on them only when stuff is interacting inside them seems like the best way to handle it. |
| 04:16 |
telek |
Sorting out whether they should move in partial nodes, or in degrees like a player seems like it could take some work though. |
| 04:16 |
telek |
Same deal with making multi-node carts and such. |
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| 04:17 |
mauvebic |
before being able to move groups of nodes though, shadows have to be fixed so you dont end up shadowing your entire map |
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| 04:17 |
telek |
mauvebic: Say is the random far away block loading still going on? |
| 04:17 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Why not make the ship an entity |
| 04:17 |
mauvebic |
random far away block loading? |
| 04:17 |
telek |
I noticed it was still tending to load far away blocks before the immediate area in 0.4.5 |
| 04:17 |
mauvebic |
optifine? |
| 04:18 |
mauvebic |
theres a pull for it i think |
| 04:18 |
mauvebic |
(not me) |
| 04:18 |
mauvebic |
oh yeah thats preload item visuals doing that though isnt it? |
| 04:18 |
jordan4ibanez |
I don't think I've ever laughed this hard reading this http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5403 |
| 04:18 |
jordan4ibanez |
before I read this* |
| 04:19 |
telek |
mauvebic: Yeah minetest had a tendancy to loading random blocks well out of your 'normal' visual range, even if you had viewing distance set to minimum, which was also causing some of the random lag spikes since it was constantly generating new blocks way out somewhere since you often had never explored out as far as the blocks were being generated. |
| 04:19 |
mauvebic |
thats less of a problem for me i play w/ flat maps, no caves, no trees, so even if it is generating chunks off in the distance, no lag spikes |
| 04:21 |
telek |
Heh lucky you :) |
| 04:21 |
mauvebic |
i have pilzadam to thank for that |
| 04:21 |
mauvebic |
his flat maps simplified things greatly lol |
| 04:21 |
telek |
My map should load a lot faster in the near future though |
| 04:21 |
telek |
Just as soon as all that lush forest finishes burning down thanks to an arsonist player :D |
| 04:21 |
mauvebic |
i think ill even compile my paysage mod to luac so that works faster |
| 04:22 |
telek |
Has anybody done a profiled build of minetest to see how much of a performance increase it can offer? |
| 04:22 |
mauvebic |
paysage and multinode could both benefit from luac actually |
| 04:24 |
telek |
Does the fire only 'eat' nodes when you're within activation range of it? |
| 04:24 |
mauvebic |
yep yep |
| 04:24 |
VanessaE |
forget luac, keep your source open and let luajit do its job |
| 04:24 |
mauvebic |
you can reduce the radius of fires tho |
| 04:25 |
Exio |
mauvebic: http://ompldr.org/vaHJ5dw/performance_comparison_pathfinding.pdf |
| 04:25 |
telek |
mauvebic: Howso? |
| 04:25 |
Exio |
"Compiled" is luac |
| 04:25 |
mauvebic |
well if it makes things go faster why not compile it? |
| 04:25 |
mauvebic |
i can think ofa few mobs that could benefit |
| 04:26 |
telek |
Is there a way to JIT it during server startup? |
| 04:26 |
mauvebic |
minetest is compiled no one complains lol |
| 04:26 |
VanessaE |
because luajit is scheduled to be added soon. |
| 04:26 |
telek |
Ahh. |
| 04:26 |
VanessaE |
telek: luajit does that. |
| 04:26 |
mauvebic |
and even with luajit you can compile |
| 04:26 |
Exio |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commits |
| 04:26 |
Exio |
lastest commits, "Add pathfinding what can be used for mods" |
| 04:26 |
Exio |
soon luajit will be used |
| 04:26 |
mauvebic |
so if compiled lua code is faster, and luajit is faster, then thats faster * faster = uberfast |
| 04:27 |
telek |
:D |
| 04:27 |
telek |
They don't stack :D |
| 04:27 |
Exio |
mauvebic: the performance of luajit is nearly as the performance of C++ |
| 04:27 |
VanessaE |
Exio: that's a bit of an exaggeration, but it is quite fast. |
| 04:27 |
mauvebic |
personally i couldn't tell a difference when i tested it, but most people say so so i wont argue |
| 04:27 |
telek |
Somebody needs to make a fire extinguisher mod. |
| 04:28 |
telek |
Or a firehose mod. |
| 04:28 |
Exio |
VanessaE: in some cases the difference is "only" 50~ms |
| 04:28 |
telek |
Maybe a water cannon :D |
| 04:28 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Done |
| 04:28 |
VanessaE |
telek: someone did. |
| 04:28 |
telek |
Lol |
| 04:28 |
telek |
Link? |
| 04:28 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Too tired to look up post |
| 04:28 |
Exio |
to the more than 300 ms in the BEST case of lua-C++ |
| 04:28 |
VanessaE |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77035#p77035\ |
| 04:28 |
VanessaE |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77035#p77035 |
| 04:28 |
telek |
Any of those is a huge difference. |
| 04:28 |
telek |
Thanks Vanessa :) |
| 04:28 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Ohh |
| 04:29 |
mauvebic |
the engine, could always compile the lua code, and recompile when the source changes, that would be a way to do it |
| 04:29 |
Exio |
(in the wors[et] more than 26 seconds of difference between lua<->C++ and still 50 ms between luajit<->C++ |
| 04:29 |
VanessaE |
Exio: I'm afraid to benchmark the speed of moretrees+plants_lib without luajit in place :) |
| 04:29 |
mauvebic |
but idont fancy the chances of seeing that getting pulled lol |
| 04:29 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Make fire exti start when they get the fire regard stuff and it adds fire eziti in middle of cloud |
| 04:29 |
Exio |
VanessaE: i'm saying for the pathfinding what are "heavy" in terms of math stuff and don't touch the world itself |
| 04:30 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Wish I am freaalky turecvfd |
| 04:30 |
telek |
I'm curious how much faster this fire would burn with luajit in place :D |
| 04:30 |
VanessaE |
right |
| 04:30 |
telek |
Because I don't have all week :D |
| 04:30 |
VanessaE |
telek: no faster, it would just use a small amount less CPU ;) |
| 04:30 |
Exio |
mauvebic: the code is compiled when the mod gets loaded |
| 04:30 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
*Wow I am really tired |
| 04:30 |
telek |
Also really need charcoal :D |
| 04:30 |
Exio |
(aka, when the game starts) |
| 04:30 |
mauvebic |
so why do people say luac is faster? |
| 04:30 |
VanessaE |
telek: why? just burn the wood directly. |
| 04:30 |
telek |
I should not end up with bare grassy ground when the fire is done :D |
| 04:30 |
Exio |
mauvebic: because 1+1=3 |
| 04:30 |
telek |
VanessaE: Because the fire that's wiping out my forest isn't dropping anything other than apples in return :D |
| 04:31 |
mauvebic |
sooo... init.luac > init.lua |
| 04:31 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: maybe because luac is precompiled, so "faster" probably just means faster startup time. |
| 04:31 |
mauvebic |
that wouldn't hurt either lol |
| 04:31 |
mauvebic |
takes a good 60 seconds here |
| 04:31 |
telek |
Which by the way I will be selling at a steep discount as soon as inter-server item trading is implemented :D |
| 04:31 |
Exio |
it is not because luac |
| 04:31 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Does luac have same syntax as lua |
| 04:31 |
VanessaE |
telek: uninstall the fire mod, restart your server, and go delete all the fire nodes manually :) |
| 04:31 |
mauvebic |
and im trying to cut back on cigarettes so long loadtimes = bad lol |
| 04:31 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Also lujiyt same syntax as lua |
| 04:32 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
.? |
| 04:32 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997|Tablet: luajit is a drop-in replacement for statight Lua |
| 04:32 |
VanessaE |
straight* |
| 04:32 |
Exio |
jojoa1997|Tablet: luac is just doing a step what lua already does "by default" outside the runtime |
| 04:32 |
mauvebic |
is there gonna be a way to switch back and forth between luas for testing? |
| 04:32 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Mauvebic 1000 + nodes doesn't help |
| 04:32 |
telek |
VanessaE: I would but at this point it's done an irreversible amount of damage and the only player with construction since the last backup is the same one who burnt it down :D |
| 04:32 |
mauvebic |
jojoa please most these people here have 10* that |
| 04:32 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: at compile time. |
| 04:33 |
mauvebic |
sweet i could compile twin versions |
| 04:33 |
VanessaE |
telek: so, it's a matter of "Some people just like to watch the world burn." in this case? :) |
| 04:33 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Same here |
| 04:33 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Looks great non technic |
| 04:34 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
WHICH SOMEONE SHOULD UPDATE!!! |
| 04:34 |
mauvebic |
uncaps or ill come over there and take the caps button |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997|Tablet: update what, technic? |
| 04:34 |
telek |
VanessaE: Pretty much. I moved it onto another port, so worst case they can worldedit it and copy it back into the old world. |
| 04:34 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Tronic |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: good luck, he's on a tablet. :) |
| 04:34 |
telek |
But it's a month and a half old. |
| 04:34 |
mauvebic |
smashy smashy |
| 04:35 |
mauvebic |
apple has douchecare anyhow lol |
| 04:35 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
I will rip your arms off it you try |
| 04:35 |
telek |
If I was running DragonFlyBSD I'd just have it doing nightlies since I could dedup the worldfiles, but sadly that doesn't apply ATM :) |
| 04:35 |
VanessaE |
I don't think he's using an ipad :) |
| 04:35 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Tronic texture pack needs updating |
| 04:35 |
* jojoa1997|Tablet |
IS CHEWBACCA |
| 04:35 |
mauvebic |
at least we know he's not a douche then lol |
| 04:36 |
telek |
Speaking of: Is there an irrlicht port to android/iOS? And any work towards a minetest port? |
| 04:36 |
Exio |
jojoa1997|Tablet: ANNOYING* you mean |
| 04:36 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
IM USING CAPS, IM USING CAPS HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 04:36 |
mauvebic |
except when he uses caps |
| 04:36 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
what was that |
| 04:36 |
mauvebic |
if you dont stop were gonna tell your mom you're playing computer games |
| 04:36 |
Exio |
telek: sfan5 was trying to do some stuff with that |
| 04:36 |
* jojoa1997|Tablet |
hangs his head like a puppy |
| 04:36 |
Exio |
even the irrlicht examples didn't work |
| 04:36 |
Exio |
didn't try here really |
| 04:36 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Lol you cant |
| 04:37 |
mauvebic |
oh no, you've killed her? |
| 04:37 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Try to do actual minetest |
| 04:37 |
Exio |
i should try the proper way: |
| 04:37 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Nope |
| 04:37 |
Exio |
* install debian |
| 04:37 |
Exio |
* install irrlicht with opengl-es support |
| 04:37 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
I don't have a bag under my be... |
| 04:37 |
Exio |
* use minetest! |
| 04:37 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
... |
| 04:37 |
Exio |
s/use/play/ |
| 04:37 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Wha |
| 04:37 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
..... |
| 04:38 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
What is that hand doing there? |
| 04:38 |
mauvebic |
dont wanna know lol |
| 04:38 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
SHE'S ALIVE |
| 04:38 |
Exio |
k |
| 04:38 |
mauvebic |
baby jesus cries when you do that |
| 04:38 |
Exio |
this went mad |
| 04:38 |
Exio |
i'm going to sleep now |
| 04:38 |
telek |
Exio: Interesting |
| 04:38 |
Exio |
good night mad people |
| 04:38 |
telek |
Night:) |
| 04:38 |
mauvebic |
night |
| 04:38 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Night muwhahahaha |
| 04:38 |
Exio |
and some other people like telek! :P |
| 04:38 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
OK so |
| 04:39 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Has anyone actually treied minetest |
| 04:39 |
mauvebic |
naw, ive just been hanging around the forums for a year pretending |
| 04:39 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Sfan's examples could have been coddled wrong |
| 04:39 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Minetest on android |
| 04:39 |
telek |
Heh, nobody likes me, some are just too bored to tell me to go away :D |
| 04:39 |
Menche |
his examples were coddled wrong? |
| 04:40 |
mauvebic |
he wasn't affectionate enough |
| 04:40 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
telek go away |
| 04:40 |
telek |
I really need to make the fire mod convert leaf into ash or something and the wood into coal. |
| 04:40 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
Coded wrong |
| 04:40 |
mauvebic |
convert players to ash? |
| 04:40 |
telek |
Ending up with bare ground after wiping out whole forests is wrong :D |
| 04:41 |
telek |
mauvebic: That'd be fun too. |
| 04:41 |
mauvebic |
craft idea: dead players -> soap |
| 04:41 |
telek |
LOL! |
| 04:41 |
VanessaE |
oh G*d. |
| 04:41 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
gotta catch em all gotta catch em all pokemon |
| 04:41 |
mauvebic |
im a sick bastard lol |
| 04:41 |
telek |
Don't forget your lye scar on the back of your hand :D |
| 04:41 |
telek |
'What do you mean the vinegar mod isn't complete yet!!!?!?!' :D |
| 04:42 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997|Tablet: http://ifunny.mobi/#OXW30rJY |
| 04:42 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
im ash ketchup |
| 04:42 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
you sick person |
| 04:42 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 04:42 |
VanessaE |
it was just the the right timing :) |
| 04:42 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
got stuff em all gotta stuff em all pokestuffed |
| 04:43 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
im crazy when i forget to take my meds and the adhd takes over |
| 04:43 |
mauvebic |
any kid who doesn't take ritalin today... lol |
| 04:43 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
that and i stay up on 13 hours of energy in 3 days |
| 04:44 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
concerta |
| 04:44 |
VanessaE |
/kick jojoa1997|Tablet take your meds :) |
| 04:44 |
mauvebic |
that stuff is basically synthetic coke |
| 04:44 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
and it has weird but good affects on me |
| 04:44 |
mauvebic |
they also sell for a pretty penny |
| 04:44 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
if i take them now instead of being tired i will stay up for around 12 hours more |
| 04:44 |
mauvebic |
like i said, synthetic coke lol |
| 04:45 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
no it is really phsycotics |
| 04:45 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
makes my neruons overworked |
| 04:45 |
mauvebic |
ive taken anxiety meds, its not the same :p |
| 04:45 |
VanessaE |
http://ifunny.mobi/#giZSon8J <- my husband facepalmed on this one :D |
| 04:46 |
mauvebic |
(stopped taking anxiety meds when i woke up half naked in a park surrounded by cops) |
| 04:46 |
VanessaE |
oh my |
| 04:46 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
good side affects for me |
| 04:46 |
VanessaE |
talk about lowering your barriers. |
| 04:46 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
can stay awake in school, less hunger |
| 04:46 |
mauvebic |
a little too relaxed eh |
| 04:46 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
bad effacts none |
| 04:46 |
mauvebic |
though i couldn't remember a thing |
| 04:47 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i was not there |
| 04:47 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
>.> |
| 04:47 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
you do not follow bacon in your sleep >.> |
| 04:48 |
mauvebic |
the really shitty part is the meds didn't stop the attacks lol |
| 04:48 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82151#p82151 |
| 04:49 |
* jojoa1997|Tablet |
gives mauvebic a genie psycologist |
| 04:49 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
you use your 3 wishes uselessly and want a fourth one that stops the anxiety |
| 04:49 |
telek |
mauvebic: I have a friend who took anti-anxiety meds. He decided alcohol works better with fewer side effects :D |
| 04:50 |
mauvebic |
shrinks dont know jack about claustrophobia, they usually ask about being locked in closets lol |
| 04:50 |
telek |
Hey it's all about context. |
| 04:50 |
mauvebic |
its all about money |
| 04:50 |
telek |
Stick me in a cave and tell me the entrance is sealed and I'll probably get claustrophobia too :D |
| 04:50 |
mauvebic |
when you feel its going nowhere, they want to talk about your parents |
| 04:51 |
telek |
You should tell them your parents were shrinks too. |
| 04:51 |
mauvebic |
engineers :p |
| 04:51 |
telek |
Then get to all the psychological abuse, then exactly how you stopped them psychoanalyzing you.... Possibly while holding the shrinks pen in a deathgrip :D |
| 04:51 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
son your claustophobic cause your paranets made you get it |
| 04:51 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
so how do your parents make you feel |
| 04:51 |
telek |
Claustrophobia is contagious :D |
| 04:52 |
mauvebic |
naw but it comes on in random contexts, sometimes rooms that were previously comfortable feel suddenly cramped |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
FOOD |
| 04:52 |
telek |
mauvebic: So it's just like any other anxiety then? |
| 04:52 |
mauvebic |
yeah completely random hard to trace lol |
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* jojoa1997|Tablet |
back with his 1:00 snack of 1/4 loaf of freanch bread |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
BREAD |
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mauvebic |
and it can take years to find pills that work, if you ever do lol |
| 04:54 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
A MONTH BEFORE THEy take effect |
| 04:54 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
a month to ween off |
| 04:54 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
and a month before changing meds |
| 04:54 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
3 months with no help |
| 04:54 |
mauvebic |
more like a year for effexor |
| 04:54 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
effexor? |
| 04:55 |
mauvebic |
new fangled anxiety pills |
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telek |
Out of curiousity, would it be difficult to clamp worldgen above a certain level to a tga heightmap, or equivalent? |
| 04:55 |
mauvebic |
quite a few people offed themselves taking those lol |
| 04:55 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
NOOO GO AWAY |
| 04:55 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
this channel is for minetest not meds |
| 04:56 |
telek |
:D |
| 04:56 |
mauvebic |
you brought it up lol |
| 04:56 |
telek |
Somebody make a drug mod for minetest :D |
| 04:56 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
we got way off topic |
| 04:56 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
DONe |
| 04:56 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4103 |
| 04:57 |
mauvebic |
ok, back on topic, how do we make soap out of players? oh nvm lol |
| 04:57 |
mauvebic |
:p |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 04:57 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
can anyone make a widows build |
| 04:57 |
VanessaE |
fuck windows :) |
| 04:57 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
please i am in dire need of current github |
| 04:57 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commits/master |
| 04:58 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
MAPGEN V7 |
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mauvebic |
windows can go have intercourse with itself |
| 04:58 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
pilzadam, sfan5, thexyz if your here ^ |
| 04:58 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997|Tablet: mapgen v7 isn't actually "in" yet. |
| 04:58 |
VanessaE |
that's a partial commit |
| 04:58 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
what? |
| 05:00 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
here https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/8ec3fc35c656544a55f7f8ece9359c9e2b472e8f |
| 05:00 |
mauvebic |
someone described v7 as proller's playground :p |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
oh :/ |
| 05:00 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
yep it is |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
lol |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
i just realized how better minetest is than minecraft |
| 05:00 |
VanessaE |
jojoa1997|Tablet: anyway yeah, it's not complete and disabled by default. |
| 05:00 |
VanessaE |
so you suck at reading :) |
| 05:01 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
we can make mods in a split |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
i am not thinking straight |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
i am thinking in curved pentagons |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
i am an isocedron |
| 05:02 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
................. |
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mauvebic |
i see paramat is working on the stanford torus |
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mauvebic |
without proper gravity for it though i dont see how it can work :/ |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
.torus? |
| 05:03 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
what is that |
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mauvebic |
never saw gundam wing? |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
lin,lk |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
pic soethimg |
| 05:03 |
mauvebic |
screenshots thread, last post by paramat |
| 05:04 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
link |
| 05:04 |
mauvebic |
dont have it |
| 05:04 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
link |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
jk |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
where is my o\onternet button |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
Come press it for me |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
I wish I could say I was drunk but I cant |
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mauvebic |
didnt your parents ever tell you not to invite strange men you meet on the internet? |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
I'm not drunl |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
Drunk |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
From alcohol |
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mauvebic |
i doubt you could legally buy alcohol lol |
| 05:08 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
not drunk from alcohol |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
and i cant but we do have beer and wine in the house |
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mauvebic |
drinking mouthwash isn't healthy either |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
wow |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
someone too little sleep and 1 in the morning they would go to bed |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
me i stay up get drunk from nothiung and probably wont get to sleep |
| 05:10 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i need minetest pe |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
52 till i reach 5000 posts yay |
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mauvebic |
jesus |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
mineest reach registered uses |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
i habve |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
2105 |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
lala |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
night all |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
must finish hw later |
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jordan4ibanez |
http://youtu.be/qb3SNKK-GIE?t=2m6s |
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mauvebic |
dang i thought the ocean i made was big enough - half of Carpathia spawned inland lol |
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VanessaE |
night all |
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mauvebic |
gravel footsteps sounds more like shovelling gravel lol |
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NotReallyNick |
It sounds like when you scuff you feet in gravel. |
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mauvebic |
in steel boots :p |
| 06:44 |
mauvebic |
almost like dice in a cup or boggle or something lol |
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NotReallyNick |
I guess all this time, I've been wearing steel boots and I didn't even know it! I need to pay more attention to what I put on my feet .... |
| 06:44 |
mauvebic |
well round here gravel sounds like walking in pebbles/little stones |
| 06:45 |
mauvebic |
but the sound itself it sortof distorted/echoey |
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NotReallyNick |
Hmm. I guess you're right. |
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mauvebic |
ill try reducing the feedback in audacity see what that gives - i might just have a really old default too |
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bas080 |
Help me test civilization mod! It is very different from default minetest. It's goal is collaborative gameplay. |
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bas080 |
31.151.189.3 |
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bas080 |
30000 |
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bas080 |
hey sfan5 |
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sfan5 |
hi |
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bas080 |
sfan5, is that a good morning? |
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sfan5 |
yes |
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bas080 |
good morning |
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Calinou |
rofl http://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/temp/png.png |
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Calinou |
line 3 especially |
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ironzorg |
he's right though |
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* Calinou |
shoots YoYoBuddy using the noob weapon® |
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NotReallyNick |
I found something interesting. There are three key dyes in minetest/common. If we had a way to get white, cyan, and red dyes, all the others could be gotten by mixing. The best part is that the mix recipes already exist. |
| 08:41 |
NotReallyNick |
https://github.com/minetest/common/pull/24 |
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Calinou |
moreblocks updated |
| 09:03 |
Calinou |
NotReallyNick: buut... with red/blue/green/yellow dyes, you can make a windows logo! |
| 09:04 |
NotReallyNick |
You can make blue, green, and yellow dyes by mixing. Then you can build your Windows logo. |
| 09:05 |
NotReallyNick |
That's the whole point. With red, cyan, and white, you can mix to get ALL the other dies. |
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NotReallyNick |
Though if you come to my server and build a Windows logo, it better not be at Ubuntu Beach. |
| 09:07 |
NotReallyNick |
We still need a way to get wool, but I imagine nothing anyone proposes on that front will get pulled untill there are sheep. |
| 09:07 |
NotReallyNick |
Bluh ... sheep. |
| 09:08 |
NotReallyNick |
Unless we can get the higher-ups so change wool into cotton, and add backwards-compatibility aliases. |
| 09:08 |
NotReallyNick |
Cotton farms would be much more fun than sheep farms. |
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kaeza |
hi all |
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NotReallyNick |
Hey, kaeza. |
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NotReallyNick |
I found something interesting about dye. Using only cyan, white, and red dye, we can mix to get all the rest. |
| 09:43 |
Doyousketch2 |
Slightly shaded chat text, so it's easier to read - https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/608 |
| 09:44 |
NotReallyNick |
It claims to be a 404. |
| 09:44 |
NotReallyNick |
Of course, Github lies and says non-404 errors are 404 errors too, so that may not be the actual issue. |
| 09:45 |
Doyousketch2 |
k, try this one then - http://pastebin.com/tfLkJFd8 |
| 09:46 |
NotReallyNick |
Wow, such a simple fix. I don't see why that wouldn't get pulled. |
| 09:46 |
Doyousketch2 |
it's a simple 1 line fix, with a comment to let others know it'd be fine if they shrink the shadow to the width of the text if they happen to know how. |
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Doyousketch2 |
it's not too dark tho, so you can still see through it |
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NotReallyNick |
Yeah, that's certainly important. You don't want to have to disable the chat when working. |
| 09:50 |
Doyousketch2 |
right. it's mostly so you can read while looking at bright things - sky & clouds in particular. |
| 09:51 |
NotReallyNick |
Ooh, I forgot about that. I'm usually underground, so I've got a dark backdrop for text. But when in sky cities .... |
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Leoneof |
how many users in VanessaE's server? i see one |
| 10:14 |
NotReallyNick |
Checking .... |
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NotReallyNick |
According to "the list", only two. |
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NotReallyNick |
http://servers.minetest.net/ |
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Leoneof |
NotReallyNick: thanks |
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NotReallyNick |
Yeah, any time. |
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Calinou_ |
yey, got a reboot |
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NotReallyNick |
Hey, PilzAdam. |
| 10:42 |
PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
| 10:42 |
Leoneof |
hello |
| 10:43 |
LunaVorax |
I still don't understand why the sky is fading to black when I'm facing the ground in minetest. |
| 10:43 |
LunaVorax |
I mean, why such a decision? |
| 10:44 |
NotReallyNick |
Good question. I don't know the answer though. |
| 10:44 |
NotReallyNick |
Maybe in minimizes the blue look when looking down deep holes. |
| 10:53 |
NotReallyNick |
Come to think of it, it doesn't happen when you're high up. |
| 10:54 |
NotReallyNick |
Maybe it just has to do with light sources, or lack of. |
| 10:54 |
Matsetes |
http://i.imgur.com/n40BWC1.png |
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Matsetes |
I found this little bug |
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NotReallyNick |
Nice. |
| 10:55 |
NotReallyNick |
I still haven't found any jungles or dungeons, but it looks like you have both together. |
| 10:56 |
NotReallyNick |
I did manage to buy a jungle sapling of one of the moderators though. |
| 10:57 |
Matsetes |
NotReallyNick: You have to create a new world with the option dungeon and jungle |
| 10:58 |
Matsetes |
Where I have to signal this bug? |
| 10:59 |
NotReallyNick |
Matsetes: I have jungles and dungeons in my old world. I haven't seen them, but others on the server have, such as that moderator. He has mossy cobble too, so he must have found a dungeon in addition to the jungle he got the sapling from. |
| 10:59 |
NotReallyNick |
What bug? |
| 11:00 |
Matsetes |
The one of the image |
| 11:00 |
NotReallyNick |
Hmm. I might be able to fix it with a pull request right now. Hold on. |
| 11:01 |
kaeza |
Matsetes, dungeons floating in midair? >.< |
| 11:02 |
Matsetes |
Yes |
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NotReallyNick |
I think he means that it was torn apart. |
| 11:02 |
NotReallyNick |
Oh, the floating? Sorry, I can't fix that. |
| 11:02 |
Matsetes |
kaeza: And it was not completely generated |
| 11:02 |
NotReallyNick |
Also, what's wrong with floating ones? Those ire cool. |
| 11:02 |
Matsetes |
There were only some nodes |
| 11:02 |
NotReallyNick |
I can fix the incomplete part, I think. |
| 11:03 |
kaeza |
Matsetes, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_2097666821.jpg |
| 11:03 |
Matsetes |
kaeza: This is on the ground |
| 11:04 |
kaeza |
yeah |
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NotReallyNick |
Making cobble and mossy cobble not be ground content, we'd fix that, right? |
| 11:04 |
kaeza |
but the dungeons are meant to be generated only over existing nodes ({{cn}}) |
| 11:05 |
kaeza |
ah |
| 11:05 |
kaeza |
that may be NotReallyNick |
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pandaro |
hi all |
| 11:05 |
kaeza |
hey pandaro |
| 11:05 |
pandaro |
help me:how to handle collisions between objects? |
| 11:05 |
pandaro |
cia kaeza |
| 11:06 |
kaeza |
you can't |
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pandaro |
:( |
| 11:06 |
NotReallyNick |
I don't think objects can colide. |
| 11:06 |
NotReallyNick |
*collide |
| 11:06 |
kaeza |
yes, LuaEntities do collide |
| 11:06 |
pandaro |
but...but |
| 11:06 |
kaeza |
but there's no callback for that AFAIK |
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PilzAdam |
mauvebic, zIMG works again! |
| 11:06 |
NotReallyNick |
Ah, my bad then. |
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Jordach |
NotReallyNick, morning |
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pandaro |
but:https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/8800896824d609c754eee38d3720a112f4216e57 |
| 11:08 |
NotReallyNick |
Morning, Jordach |
| 11:08 |
pandaro |
So what does this mean? object collision handling |
| 11:09 |
pandaro |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/8800896824d609c754eee38d3720a112f4216e57 |
| 11:09 |
kaeza |
pandaro, entities collide with each other |
| 11:09 |
NotReallyNick |
Pull requested. |
| 11:09 |
kaeza |
but you cannot know in Lua when that happens |
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pandaro |
ok, now i understand thanks a lot |
| 11:10 |
kaeza |
unless you check manually for such cases |
| 11:10 |
kaeza |
np :) |
| 11:11 |
PilzAdam |
Calinou, spam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82182#p82182 |
| 11:12 |
Jordach |
Calinou, spam: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82085#p82085 |
| 11:13 |
NotReallyNick |
Texture pack info is spam? |
| 11:13 |
PilzAdam |
Calinou, spam: http://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=332 |
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* Jordach |
gives PilzAdam BF4 |
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* NotReallyNick |
raises eyebrow inquisitively |
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* Jordach |
knows the forums id |
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* NotReallyNick |
giggles at the third spam |
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PilzAdam |
I bet a mod that Likwid doesnt finish the TP |
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Jordach |
PilzAdam, yeah, he's like this: http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/6981445_700b.jpg |
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* NotReallyNick |
can't stop giggling, because it's 4:15 am, and he's very tired |
| 11:16 |
NotReallyNick |
Not at the image though, at Jordach's profile being spam. |
| 11:17 |
PilzAdam |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82078#p82078 <- wow! a new Moontest |
| 11:17 |
sdzen |
http://pastebin.com/iGjxxEnA |
| 11:17 |
sdzen |
why does this always happen to me? :P |
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* Calinou |
folds the topic like a piece of paper |
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NotReallyNick |
That happens to me a lot when logging out. |
| 11:18 |
* Calinou |
holds left mouse button and looks at the trash |
| 11:18 |
* Calinou |
holds left mouse button... |
| 11:18 |
* Calinou |
releases left mouse button |
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Jordach |
PilzAdam, let's make Moontest the official word for a never to happen mod / project |
| 11:18 |
Calinou |
topic is now in trash. |
| 11:18 |
PilzAdam |
sdzen, because you cant use the teleport command? |
| 11:18 |
PilzAdam |
Jordach, +1 |
| 11:18 |
sdzen |
but the teleport command works..... |
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PilzAdam |
bbl |
| 11:19 |
NotReallyNick |
Bye. |
| 11:19 |
sdzen |
why would it suddenly not work |
| 11:20 |
NotReallyNick |
Why would it stop working? Maybe because: |
| 11:20 |
NotReallyNick |
minetest.chatcommands.teleport = nil |
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Jordach |
Calinou, while your deleting things, lets put likwid in the bin |
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* Calinou |
backstabs Jordach, saps Jordach's dispenser, disguises as Jordach |
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* Calinou |
types "rtd" and explodes |
| 11:25 |
NotReallyNick |
What is "rtd"? |
| 11:25 |
RealBadAngel |
if somebody want to try build minetest with luajit on different platforms: https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest |
| 11:26 |
RealBadAngel |
no extra compile options needed (only when one want to disable luajit) |
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kaeza |
RealBadAngel, mornings |
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RealBadAngel |
hi |
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kaeza |
does that work on Linux? |
| 11:27 |
RealBadAngel |
yup |
| 11:27 |
RealBadAngel |
propably on all platforms too |
| 11:27 |
kaeza |
let's try then |
| 11:28 |
RealBadAngel |
because i used non-modified luajit compile files (only skipped system wide installation of libraries) |
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sdzen |
can anyone suggest how to fix this issue? |
| 11:30 |
NotReallyNick |
Okay, I'll compile it on Ubuntu 12.04.1, 64 bit. |
| 11:32 |
Matsetes |
Hi RealBadAngel |
| 11:32 |
RealBadAngel |
hi |
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kaeza |
RealBadAngel, /home/diego/src/minetest/src/luajit/src/lib_base.c:74:1: error: size of array 'STATIC_ASSERTION_FAILED' is negative |
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Dopium |
Having some problem logging into minetest.net it says it thinks im bot |
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NotReallyNick |
Is it right? |
| 11:37 |
NotReallyNick |
Are you? |
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Dopium |
What? |
| 11:37 |
NotReallyNick |
Are you a bot? |
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Dopium |
whats bot? |
| 11:37 |
sdzen |
robot |
| 11:37 |
sdzen |
artificial person |
| 11:37 |
kaeza |
Dopium, tried clearing the cache and/or cookies on your browser? |
| 11:37 |
Dopium |
last time i checked i bleed |
| 11:38 |
Dopium |
yes i did kaeza |
| 11:38 |
NotReallyNick |
What browser? |
| 11:38 |
kaeza |
inb4 IE |
| 11:38 |
Dopium |
chrome |
| 11:38 |
kaeza |
:D |
| 11:38 |
Dopium |
anyway to fix it? |
| 11:38 |
NotReallyNick |
I'll see what I can find about Chrome. |
| 11:39 |
Dopium |
also lost my public server list on 0.4.6 dont know if its related tho |
| 11:41 |
NotReallyNick |
Sorry, I can't ee anything on Chrome. |
| 11:41 |
NotReallyNick |
*see |
| 11:42 |
NotReallyNick |
Did you use the run_in_place version of Minetest 0.4.5 and 0.4.6? |
| 11:42 |
Dopium |
yeah default 0.4.6 download |
| 11:43 |
NotReallyNick |
That's why then. It saved it to the directory it was in. So when you switched to the new one, you switched to a blank server list. |
| 11:44 |
NotReallyNick |
You can copy the list over, if you want. |
| 11:44 |
Dopium |
ok the Git file? |
| 11:44 |
NotReallyNick |
No. |
| 11:44 |
NotReallyNick |
I'll find it. |
| 11:45 |
NotReallyNick |
minetest-0.4.5/client/serverlist/favoriteservers.txt |
| 11:46 |
Dopium |
didnt work still loaded up with only favorite page not public list |
| 11:47 |
Dopium |
no option to switch between either |
| 11:47 |
NotReallyNick |
Oh, I thought you said the favorite server list was missing. |
| 11:47 |
Dopium |
no lol |
| 11:47 |
Dopium |
public server list |
| 11:48 |
NotReallyNick |
Are you on Windows? I hear there is an issue with Windows because Windows uses non-standard line endings. |
| 11:48 |
NotReallyNick |
If you're on Windows, I don't think there is a fix yet. |
| 11:49 |
Dopium |
yeah windows, ah i must have some sort of a bug. It worked the first time i played then i tried again it was gone. |
| 11:50 |
NotReallyNick |
Yeah. Windows always has some sort of bug. Maybe the list will come back if you keep trying. Or not, I don't knoe. |
| 11:50 |
NotReallyNick |
*know |
| 11:50 |
Dopium |
np thanks for the help but i dont know what to do about the bot problem, might try a new browser |
| 11:51 |
NotReallyNick |
RealBadAngel: The game compiles and creates a world, but when entering that world, the game crashes. |
| 11:52 |
NotReallyNick |
(The world was using the "minimal" game.) |
| 11:52 |
RealBadAngel |
any error logs? |
| 11:52 |
NotReallyNick |
Irrlicht Engine version 1.7.2 |
| 11:53 |
NotReallyNick |
Linux 3.2.0-39-generic #62-Ubuntu SMP Thu Feb 28 00:28:53 UTC 2013 x86_64 |
| 11:53 |
NotReallyNick |
Creating X window... |
| 11:53 |
NotReallyNick |
Visual chosen: : 276 |
| 11:53 |
NotReallyNick |
Using renderer: OpenGL 2.1 |
| 11:53 |
NotReallyNick |
Gallium 0.4 on ATI RS690: X.Org R300 Project |
| 11:53 |
NotReallyNick |
OpenGL driver version is 1.2 or better. |
| 11:53 |
NotReallyNick |
GLSL version: 1.2 |
| 11:53 |
NotReallyNick |
Loaded texture: /home/us_0gb/Downloads/minetest-master/textures/base/pack/menuheader.png |
| 11:53 |
NotReallyNick |
AL lib: pulseaudio.c:331: PulseAudio returned minreq > tlength/2; expect break up |
| 11:53 |
NotReallyNick |
Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 11:53 |
NotReallyNick |
It had that same error twice. |
| 11:54 |
RealBadAngel |
pulse audio? what does it have in common to luajit?? |
| 11:55 |
NotReallyNick |
No idea. |
| 11:55 |
NotReallyNick |
I just checked, and the stable version is running fine. |
| 11:56 |
NotReallyNick |
Could something else have been broken when adding LuaJIT support? |
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RealBadAngel |
im not sure |
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RealBadAngel |
i will try to change something, hold on |
| 12:04 |
RealBadAngel |
NotReallyNick, what are your compile options? |
| 12:07 |
NotReallyNick |
RealBadAngel: I don't know. How do I find out? |
| 12:07 |
NotReallyNick |
OH! |
| 12:07 |
NotReallyNick |
Do you mean what I entered? |
| 12:07 |
NotReallyNick |
I only used -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1. |
| 12:08 |
RealBadAngel |
im not sure this problem is related at all to luajit |
| 12:09 |
NotReallyNick |
Hmm. I don't know then. |
| 12:09 |
RealBadAngel |
can you try to compile fresh game sources from git? |
| 12:09 |
RealBadAngel |
i mean without luajit |
| 12:09 |
NotReallyNick |
Your version or the regular dev version? |
| 12:09 |
RealBadAngel |
regular |
| 12:10 |
RealBadAngel |
only change in mine is luajit, rest is up to date |
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NotReallyNick |
RealBadAngel: Latest git Minetest compiles and runs just fine. |
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RealBadAngel |
ok, lemme upload another version |
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RealBadAngel |
NotReallyNick, https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest try now |
| 12:41 |
NotReallyNick |
Hey, Zeg9. |
| 12:41 |
Zeg9 |
Hello ! |
| 12:41 |
Zeg9 |
NotReallyNick, do I know you under another name? |
| 12:41 |
RealBadAngel |
ive just uploaded slightly different version |
| 12:41 |
NotReallyNick |
Yeah, I'm 0gb.us. |
| 12:42 |
Zeg9 |
Oh okay |
| 12:42 |
NotReallyNick |
See? I wasn't really Nick after all. |
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NotReallyNick |
RealBadAngel: I get the same error as before. Sorry. |
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NotReallyNick |
I need to get to bed now though. Good night. |
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Taoki |
Is there any way in the Lua API to get the orientation of a node? Like how a furnace or stair is rotated |
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kaeza |
minetest.env:get_node(pos).param2 I think |
| 13:18 |
kaeza |
only for nodes with paramtype2=="facedir" |
| 13:19 |
Taoki |
Hmm... ok |
| 13:19 |
Taoki |
A bit weird of an implementation but still |
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dante123 |
any reason NOT to go with 64 bit (ie. user of pc wiill be linux newbie, some issues still exists, etc.)??? |
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Jordach |
dante123, the best bit about 64bit is the speed |
| 13:48 |
Jordach |
but, 64bit linux is generally stab;e |
| 13:48 |
Jordach |
but i use 32bit |
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Jordach |
just to make sure it works |
| 14:03 |
FreeFull |
dante123: I haven't had any problems with 64-bit linux myself |
| 14:03 |
FreeFull |
Just pick some distro that will have all the multilib stuff installed by default and everything should work |
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* sfan5 |
has just installed 64 bit ubuntu instead of 32bit |
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VanessaE |
hi all. |
| 14:30 |
kaeza |
hi V |
| 14:30 |
ShadowNinja |
hi VanessaE |
| 14:31 |
ShadowNinja |
I see MinetestBot is still MIA |
| 14:31 |
VanessaE |
hey hey. |
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ShadowNinja |
it didn't work :-( ShadowBot was supposed to leave automaticaly |
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sfan5 |
\o/ |
| 14:40 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: Is this correct? if input.sender = '#minetest' and input.nick == 'MinetestBot': |
| 14:41 |
sfan5 |
you need to use == |
| 14:41 |
ShadowNinja |
oh, I think I see the issue |
| 14:42 |
ShadowNinja |
and annother thing, I wrote it on a tablet over ssh |
| 14:42 |
sfan5 |
oh, nice |
| 14:43 |
VanessaE |
tablets can do ssh? |
| 14:43 |
ShadowNinja |
yep, connectbot |
| 14:43 |
VanessaE |
nice. |
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* sfan5 |
has connectbot on his android phone too |
| 14:43 |
VanessaE |
well, that just settled it. I'm gonna have to get me a tablet. :) |
| 14:44 |
ShadowNinja |
irssi + tmux = win |
| 14:47 |
Matsetes |
Are there stone bricks now in the 0.4.6? |
| 14:47 |
VanessaE |
yep |
| 14:48 |
Matsetes |
And stone brick slabs also? |
| 14:48 |
VanessaE |
they're the old brick-like cobble texture |
| 14:48 |
VanessaE |
dunno about that |
| 14:48 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: is there a way to reload the config in phenny without a restart? |
| 14:48 |
VanessaE |
(so cobble got a new texture, and stone bricks got the old brick-y texture) |
| 14:48 |
Matsetes |
And do you know how to craft stone brick? |
| 14:48 |
sfan5 |
the config, no |
| 14:48 |
sfan5 |
modules, yes |
| 14:48 |
VanessaE |
not sure how to craft them |
| 14:50 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: still getting this error: AttributeError: object has no attribute 'authors' (file "/home/owen/minetest/phennymod/mymods/feedparser.py", line 286, in __getattr__) |
| 14:51 |
Matsetes |
Ok, 4 nodes of stone make 4 stone brick |
| 14:51 |
Matsetes |
No, one stone brick |
| 14:51 |
sfan5 |
ShadowNinja: that sometimes happens when github sends invalid data |
| 14:51 |
ShadowNinja |
and is there a way to load new modules or unload them |
| 14:51 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 14:51 |
sfan5 |
you can only reload existing modules |
| 14:52 |
ShadowNinja |
I know, but it always happens, I just re enabled it |
| 14:52 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 14:52 |
sfan5 |
have you installed the feedparser module for ypthon |
| 14:52 |
sfan5 |
... |
| 14:52 |
Matsetes |
And there are also stone brick slab |
| 14:52 |
sfan5 |
ShadowNinja: what is this file? /home/owen/minetest/phennymod/mymods/feedparser.py |
| 14:53 |
sfan5 |
hey MinetestBot |
| 14:53 |
MinetestBot |
Hey sfan5! |
| 14:53 |
ShadowNinja |
it is a module that your module needed |
| 14:54 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 14:54 |
sfan5 |
it works fine for me |
| 14:54 |
sfan5 |
you seem to have used a different way to install it |
| 14:54 |
ShadowNinja |
can you send me your feedparser? |
| 14:55 |
sfan5 |
i used "sudo easy_install feedparser" to install it |
| 14:56 |
sfan5 |
easy_install is in python-setuptools (in case you're on debian/ubuntu) |
| 14:56 |
sfan5 |
+the package |
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* Kacey |
forgot to say goo morning to everyone |
| 15:00 |
Kacey |
good* |
| 15:01 |
ShadowNinja |
seems to be working now... |
| 15:02 |
ShadowNinja |
now I just have remind wanting clock |
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| 15:04 |
rubenwardy |
hi all |
| 15:05 |
Kacey |
my serverlist isn't working... |
| 15:05 |
Kacey |
i am using a PilzAdam build |
| 15:05 |
PilzAdam |
known bug |
| 15:06 |
Kacey |
and now i can't get on ShadowNinja's server because idk the address |
| 15:06 |
ShadowNinja |
67.241.154.164 |
| 15:06 |
PilzAdam |
wait, you mean the public list? |
| 15:06 |
ShadowNinja |
memorized :-) |
| 15:07 |
Kacey |
in the multiplayer tab |
| 15:09 |
Kacey |
server shut down |
| 15:10 |
PilzAdam |
Kacey, works for me in my win build |
| 15:10 |
Kacey |
i have just the 0.4.6 nothing newer |
| 15:11 |
ShadowNinja |
Kacey: back up, IRC mod is having some issues |
| 15:11 |
PilzAdam |
I dont have a 0.4.6 build |
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Kacey |
http://minetest.ru/builds/minetest-0.4.6.zip |
| 15:12 |
PilzAdam |
that isnt my build |
| 15:13 |
Kacey |
ooh ok |
| 15:13 |
Kacey |
i will update later today perhaps |
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* VanessaE |
points to her latest build, but it's for linux. |
| 15:17 |
* sfan5 |
points to his latest build |
| 15:17 |
VanessaE |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82154#p82154 |
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* PilzAdam |
points VanessaE to PPA |
| 15:17 |
VanessaE |
PPAs are for the lazy ;) |
| 15:18 |
VanessaE |
I'm not *that* lazy yet :D |
| 15:18 |
VanessaE |
(and PPAs don't build with custom options e.g. +LuaJIT, -Freetype, +cURL) |
| 15:19 |
PilzAdam |
you can upload your hand build .debs to a PPA |
| 15:19 |
VanessaE |
meh |
| 15:19 |
VanessaE |
this is easier. |
| 15:20 |
VanessaE |
one command, two passwords and a couple of copy&paste and I have a new build posted and ready to download. |
| 15:20 |
PilzAdam |
not for users |
| 15:20 |
VanessaE |
I don't cater to idiots who can't figure out "sudo dpkg -i file.deb; sudo apt-get -f install" |
| 15:21 |
kaeza |
thanks :( |
| 15:21 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: you coulda figured it out, so you're not an idiot :) |
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| 15:21 |
VanessaE |
now hmmmm on the other hand.. |
| 15:21 |
kaeza |
thanks :) |
| 15:21 |
VanessaE |
oh hi :D |
| 15:22 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, RBA wanted to include LuaJIT into the src tree to make installation easier |
| 15:22 |
PilzAdam |
you are against that too? |
| 15:22 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: and well he should, he and I have been talking about this, and as we speak he's trying to get it working fluidly. |
| 15:22 |
VanessaE |
No, in fact I'm in favor of including it. |
| 15:22 |
hmmmm |
well the idea was to include luajit in the source tree |
| 15:22 |
hmmmm |
as the default |
| 15:23 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, see? youre wrong again |
| 15:23 |
kaeza |
LuaJit this breaks with non-src-dir builds |
| 15:23 |
hmmmm |
kaeza, your patch broke RUN_IN_PLACE |
| 15:23 |
kaeza |
hmmmm, how so? |
| 15:23 |
PilzAdam |
hmmmm, the system wide LuaJIT should be used |
| 15:23 |
hmmmm |
oh |
| 15:23 |
PilzAdam |
and fall back to Lua in the src tree if its not present |
| 15:24 |
hmmmm |
yes, i agree, that's what the behavior should be |
| 15:24 |
hmmmm |
I thought you meant add support for luajit in the source |
| 15:24 |
Kacey |
ShadowNinja|Away, i think your creative mod got borked a little... lol |
| 15:24 |
rubenwardy |
./Jordach --joke "mese" |
| 15:24 |
hmmmm |
instead of having people patch it and recompile |
| 15:24 |
PilzAdam |
kaeza, your patch placed the executable in src/bin |
| 15:24 |
hmmmm |
kaeza, the variables you use are defined by CMake and are the same as the source directory |
| 15:24 |
hmmmm |
the purpose of RUN_IN_PLACE is to put them in bin, not src/bin |
| 15:25 |
hmmmm |
also as an added side effect, whenever people do git add "src/*" it adds the binaries too |
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jonsger |
hello |
| 15:28 |
VanessaE |
I'd personally prefer the following scenario: Use system-wide luajit first, if that isn't found, revert to a bundled, whitelisted-by-OS-and-distro copy. If that can't be built, then build against vanilla Lua. |
| 15:28 |
PilzAdam |
thats overkill |
| 15:28 |
VanessaE |
(I suggest the whitelist based on the issues RBA is currently having with getting it to build) |
| 15:32 |
RealBadAngel |
nah, thats not good idea |
| 15:32 |
khonkhortisan |
I like the system-then-bundled-then-regular, without the whitelist |
| 15:32 |
PilzAdam |
why should we bundle Lua and LuaJIT? |
| 15:32 |
PilzAdam |
thats nonsense |
| 15:33 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: because some systems can't run luajit at al. |
| 15:33 |
VanessaE |
all* |
| 15:33 |
khonkhortisan |
So we can sometimes be faster |
| 15:33 |
khonkhortisan |
yes it doesn't make sense |
| 15:33 |
VanessaE |
(personally, I see no reason to care about those systems, because Minetest doesn't run on those platforms anyways) |
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PilzAdam |
what systems? |
| 15:36 |
VanessaE |
I'm not sure what the list includes, only what it doesn't. Jit and Minetest both run on Windows, Linux, and arguably Mac, under x86, AMD64... plus jit runs on the xbox 360, android, ps3, ios, and under ARM, PPC, MIPS, and whatever this 'e500' is. |
| 15:37 |
VanessaE |
jit runs also on BSD, not sure if MT does (probably) |
| 15:37 |
VanessaE |
that covers like 99.999% of the market. |
| 15:37 |
PilzAdam |
there is a BSD port AFAIK |
| 15:38 |
VanessaE |
ok, so thats four OS's and the two major architectures those OS's run on. Does MT run on ARM yet? |
| 15:39 |
VanessaE |
wasn't someone futzing around with running MT in a Raspberry Pi? |
| 15:40 |
VanessaE |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=24112#p24112 |
| 15:40 |
VanessaE |
yeha, the server does run on the Pi |
| 15:40 |
VanessaE |
so we can add ARM to the list of archs |
| 15:41 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy, the current mese system is so bad your ancestors didn't mine it |
| 15:41 |
VanessaE |
so that's every major OS and hardware platform. |
| 15:41 |
VanessaE |
so let's just dump vanilla Lua. there's no logical reason to keep it. |
| 15:41 |
PilzAdam |
its amazing how many people come here and complain about not being able to build minetest on their machine, if we cover 99.999% of the market |
| 15:41 |
FreeFull |
I blame irrlicht |
| 15:42 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: they complain because they either don't know how to compile (a legit issue with win users), or they don't follow the build instructions that show what dependencies need to be satisfied first. |
| 15:42 |
VanessaE |
or there are bugs in MT's built scripts. |
| 15:42 |
PilzAdam |
can someone make a diff for irrlchts and LuaJITs supported systems? |
| 15:42 |
khonkhortisan |
I also blame irrlicht |
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Jordach |
let's do what Red Eclipse does: and have binaries that work on BSD and Linux |
| 15:42 |
khonkhortisan |
Loading inventory images makes the view smaller |
| 15:43 |
VanessaE |
irrlicht runs on.... |
| 15:43 |
Jordach |
they are like win builds, but are RUN_IN_PLACE like normal |
| 15:43 |
VanessaE |
(searching) |
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PilzAdam |
VanessaE, only the diff! |
| 15:43 |
VanessaE |
Win, Linux, OSX, and anything that can run SDL. |
| 15:44 |
VanessaE |
a diff? surely you mean a common set. |
| 15:44 |
rubenwardy |
Jordach: You are getting worse |
| 15:44 |
rubenwardy |
LP |
| 15:44 |
rubenwardy |
:P |
| 15:44 |
Jordach |
rubenwardy, im out of jokes |
| 15:45 |
PilzAdam |
./Jordach --joke "Jorach's jokes" |
| 15:45 |
Jordach |
Jorach's Jokes?! Who dafuq is that? |
| 15:46 |
PilzAdam |
was that a joke or a syntax error? |
| 15:46 |
PilzAdam |
who coded this stupid bot?! |
| 15:46 |
khonkhortisan |
both |
| 15:48 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: I'm not finding any info on what architectures irrlicht runs on |
| 15:49 |
VanessaE |
(aside from x86 and amd64) |
| 15:50 |
VanessaE |
but from people who have compiled MT, it looks like the cross section is: Windows, Linux, OSX; on x86, amd64, ARM |
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kaeza |
PilzAdam, can you test this? https://github.com/kaeza/minetest/commit/0baa0f36f8900929467149434b9586631baffc81 |
| 15:52 |
PilzAdam |
your commit is already reverted in upstream |
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sapier |
[ANNOUNCEMENT] MOBF 2.0.80 (2.1 preview) http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=629 |
| 15:57 |
VanessaE |
sapier: using the in-built pathfinding algorithms yet? |
| 15:58 |
sapier |
no ... I don't have any use for them |
| 15:58 |
VanessaE |
oh ok |
| 15:58 |
sapier |
just didn't realize this until I finished the patch ;) |
| 16:01 |
sapier |
maybe I'll add some mobs using it in future but current mobs only would require more cpu power without getting much of benefit from it |
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rubenwardy |
sapier: dogs |
| 16:08 |
rubenwardy |
They could actually follow the player w/o teleporting or walking through the floor :P] |
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sapier |
no they couldn't as once they are to far away they get unloaded ... and no I won't add a force load entity |
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VanessaE |
bbl |
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sapier |
of course following would be better but price would be lot of cpu power ... are you willing to pay? :-) |
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sfan5 |
"<Guest28211> what are the best linux tools to hack facebook, that is to recoverone's accont after being hacked" on #debian |
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sfan5 |
^ wtf?! |
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NakedFury |
yeah |
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ironzorg |
"hack facebook" |
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sapier |
question to gut experts how to take "theirs" version of s single file on a merge? |
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sapier |
ok ... I should have asked earlier just found solution |
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GhostlyDeath |
sfan5: I know of a tool |
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GhostlyDeath |
sfan5: dd and base64 |
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hmmmm |
would you guys be interested in an ore that only occurs within sunlight? |
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hmmmm |
for example |
| 17:15 |
Jordach |
hmmmm, SKY ORES |
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PilzAdam |
not really, no |
| 17:15 |
Jordach |
that require aether tools |
| 17:15 |
hmmmm |
that doesn't require sunlight, just a certain height |
| 17:15 |
Jordach |
mese picks cant even mine it |
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RealBadAngel |
anybody wants to try minetest using system wide installation of LuaJIT? |
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Jordach |
RealBadAngel, sure |
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RealBadAngel |
https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest |
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RealBadAngel |
luajit: http://luajit.org/download.html |
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RealBadAngel |
download sources and make, make install |
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Kacey |
this got complicated really fast |
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Kacey |
http://ompldr.org/vaTBzYQ/screenshot_11693924.png it makes doors and tubes |
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mauvebic |
<PilzAdam> mauvebic, zIMG works again! <--- sweeet :-) i thought they were goners |
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mauvebic |
http://www.zimg.eu/i/3806326711 |
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NakedFury |
too many space ships not enough city stuff |
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Kacey |
http://ompldr.org/vaTBzYQ/screenshot_11693924.png |
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Taoki |
Hi. Anyone know if menus can be defined in Lua (forpspec) for things other than inventories? Like to make a menu where you can type some text and click a button to issue a system command (as part of a mod) |
| 17:38 |
mauvebic |
my wife's responsible for the city stuff :P |
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mauvebic |
though she's putting alot of detail in each buildiong |
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mauvebic |
*building |
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Kacey |
Taoki, idk honestly |
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Kacey |
afk |
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kaeza |
Taoki, yes |
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Taoki |
nice. Was looking for an example on how to define a formspec which can be opened with a chat command |
| 17:44 |
kaeza |
ah |
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kaeza |
you may want to look at the /mobf_settings from MOB Framework |
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kaeza |
+command |
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Taoki |
thanks |
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kaeza |
Taoki, here's a simpler example: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/bookex.zip |
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kaeza |
this shows the formspec on item use, but can be easily modified to be opened with a chat command |
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Taoki |
nice |
| 17:47 |
Taoki |
thanks |
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kaeza |
np :) |
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mauvebic |
http://s2.bloggerscdn.com/media/t/12169018/12169018_t_1363657221.jpg |
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Jordach |
mauvebic, lol |
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mauvebic |
alot of uptight canadians would find that racist but since it goes both ways it cancels eachother out lol |
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NakedFury |
to hell with uptight canadians |
| 17:56 |
NakedFury |
its a funny racist joke and I like it |
| 17:57 |
NakedFury |
ohh and mauvebic im noticing a distinct lack of prograss in your cities. is your wife construction company on strike? |
| 17:59 |
mauvebic |
naw but she takes longer and longer to find images of buildings she wants to make :P |
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mauvebic |
though this city is alot more strict in design than the last one |
| 18:00 |
mauvebic |
streetgrid has to be done in advance, along with sewers and mains |
| 18:00 |
mauvebic |
sidewalks, lampposts, trees, rules about that too |
| 18:00 |
NakedFury |
clearly you are not paying her enough |
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mauvebic |
i did the sewers lol |
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mauvebic |
doing the ships |
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mauvebic |
canals, oceans |
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mauvebic |
and all the bloody nodebox furniture i made for the city |
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mauvebic |
lol |
| 18:02 |
mauvebic |
today i have to expand the ocean and spawn the Lusitania and the Queen Mary |
| 18:04 |
mauvebic |
oh and the Empress of Ireland, her great grand parents came over on it |
| 18:04 |
mauvebic |
my ancestors can be traced back to one of the first settlers in Quebec tho |
| 18:05 |
mauvebic |
which means my earliest french ancestors were probably skanks ("Filles du Roi") |
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NakedFury |
skanks? |
| 18:06 |
mauvebic |
prostitutes |
| 18:06 |
mauvebic |
to populate quebec France sent over prostitutes lol |
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NakedFury |
ohh |
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NakedFury |
that actually very intelligent strategy |
| 18:07 |
mauvebic |
much like england sending convicts to the colonies lol |
| 18:07 |
NakedFury |
but then they didnt think about how that would probably infect the male and female population with sex diseases |
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mauvebic |
there werent as many then |
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mauvebic |
though the ones they had weren't as treatable either then |
| 18:08 |
mauvebic |
http://0.tqn.com/d/history1900s/1/0/B/S/wwiip205.jpg |
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NakedFury |
wow |
| 18:09 |
NakedFury |
I have to say it. poor girl |
| 18:09 |
mauvebic |
yeah they totally couldn't get away with that today lol |
| 18:09 |
NakedFury |
I dont think she was the same after that poster went live |
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mauvebic |
theyd have a feminist riot lol |
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mauvebic |
they probably didn't tell her what they were using her likeness for lol |
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NakedFury |
I would totally do the posters again |
| 18:10 |
NakedFury |
but add a male version too |
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ShadowNinja |
Kacey: What do you mean, it seems fine |
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mauvebic |
seriously in this day and age it seems to be the guys who are clueless about stds |
| 18:11 |
mauvebic |
though a modern poster like that would probably include things like "good time girls can lead to child support obligations" lol |
| 18:11 |
mauvebic |
that would scare them |
| 18:12 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5, VanessaE: you have admin access to the bot now, say !part #minetest to it in a PM if MinetestBot leaves and my bot does not automaticaly leave when it comes back |
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mauvebic |
and does the bot ignore people who use it too many times in a row? (markv and such) |
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Jordach |
does the bot support facilities like banning useless forum members? |
| 18:18 |
mauvebic |
how would that work? its not a moderator lol |
| 18:19 |
mauvebic |
besides unleashing one annoying bot on the forums was quite enough ty llol |
| 18:19 |
mauvebic |
i mean, i can get all that on hotmail lol |
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Taoki |
Is there any way to make a button in formspec execute a lua function when clicked (and closing themenu) using fields in that menu? Note that the menu isn't opened by a node, but via a chat command |
| 18:20 |
mauvebic |
of course |
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mauvebic |
via chat command |
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mauvebic |
hmm |
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mauvebic |
im not quite sure how you're supposed to set up receive fields in such a context |
| 18:21 |
mauvebic |
any existing mods that do it? i think the L-trees tool jinxi wrote does it |
| 18:21 |
Taoki |
I heard people made some that work |
| 18:22 |
mauvebic |
see: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4976 |
| 18:22 |
mauvebic |
though that one comes up from a tool, i think the concept is more or less the same |
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* Jordach |
slaps mauvebic for using hotmail |
| 18:22 |
Taoki |
yeah, uses a tool |
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mauvebic |
i dont anymore :P which is why i dont enjoy the presence of bots/spam |
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Jordach |
mauvebic, try gmail |
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mauvebic |
next time a bot herasses me, I'll tell IT that it can gain up to 2" |
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GhostlyDeath |
So how rare is mese in the ground? |
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mauvebic |
well ive been excavating for an ocean and havent found any yet |
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mauvebic |
i plan on adding dilithium crystals with more or less the same figures |
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GhostlyDeath |
I found some mese, but someone teleported and mined it =/ |
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mauvebic |
how did that happen? lol |
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mauvebic |
did you anounce it on chat? |
| 18:40 |
GhostlyDeath |
Yes |
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mauvebic |
well, that wasn't *too* bright, you just did all the hard work for them :P |
| 18:40 |
GhostlyDeath |
Well someone else no clipping found some, I was right near it |
| 18:41 |
GhostlyDeath |
But I could not mine it with a stone pickaxe |
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mauvebic |
ah well, if the server has node protection, set up a mine and ask for it |
| 18:41 |
mauvebic |
oh god, i dont know about hte rules for mining the stuff, they seem to tweak it every other week lol |
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mauvebic |
diamond pick? |
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GhostlyDeath |
I'm sure there's other mese |
| 18:42 |
GhostlyDeath |
No sense getting all angry over a few lost blocks of mese in a game, yknow? |
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mauvebic |
not really no lol |
| 18:42 |
mauvebic |
but some still do |
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GhostlyDeath |
They are prevelant near lava pools |
| 18:43 |
GhostlyDeath |
When I cheated in single player, they were almost always near lava |
| 18:43 |
GhostlyDeath |
although you cannot go into lava without getting yourself killed |
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mauvebic |
theres no such thing as cheating in a free-form voxel game :p theres only hte rules the admins come up with |
| 18:44 |
khonkhortisan |
Yes there is |
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khonkhortisan |
modifying the client, doing things you don't have the server permission to do |
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mauvebic |
and how many do that? |
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mauvebic |
i can think of 1 |
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khonkhortisan |
I'm probably thinking of the same 1 |
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mauvebic |
not so much cheating as being a pain in the ass then lol |
| 18:45 |
mauvebic |
but they let him on their servers so theyre asking for it |
| 18:45 |
GhostlyDeath |
think i'll host a server of sorts |
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* ShadowNinja |
found one of those hand nodes |
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ShadowNinja |
aha! it is an entity |
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RealBadAngel |
ok, improved detection and use of luajit is up: https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest |
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hmmmm |
http://ompldr.org/vaTB0Zg |
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mauvebic |
lol liberal arts |
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mauvebic |
ie starbucks degrees |
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GhostlyDeath |
I can say stuff about you, but you cannot say stuff about me |
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GhostlyDeath |
etc. |
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mauvebic |
naw its just basically an example of no one getting it and saying stupid things about eachother |
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mauvebic |
ie, when religious people aren't allowed to discriminate, they claim religious discrimination, its all gotten quite silly |
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mauvebic |
thats why im for secular societies |
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mauvebic |
problem with religion is, because someone believes in something, it must be true, where that doesn't work is when people have different beliefs |
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mauvebic |
or let me put it another way: |
| 19:17 |
mauvebic |
if you go around telling people you believe aliens are watching, theyll call you crazy |
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thexyz |
wow |
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mauvebic |
BUT if you go around saying theres' this big guy in the sky keeping an eye on everything, thats somehow normal |
| 19:18 |
thexyz |
seems bootstrap can be used now |
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thexyz |
http://divshot.github.io/geo-bootstrap/\ |
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thexyz |
enterprise-ready |
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GhostlyDeath |
Why would aliens want to watch us? We are just about ready to nuke ourselves |
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GhostlyDeath |
Unless they like such things heh |
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thefamilygrog66 |
howdy folks |
| 19:19 |
thexyz |
GhostlyDeath: are we? |
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mauvebic |
doubtful |
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mauvebic |
kim jong whatever likes the luxuries too much to have his own slavebase eliminated |
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Leoneof |
so odd, 105 chatters here, but multiplayer ~20 users O_O |
| 19:20 |
mauvebic |
which is exactly what would happen |
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mauvebic |
when you consider that the north's economy has gone even more downhill lately, it makes sense that he would saber-rattle for more concessions (ie $$$ ) |
| 19:20 |
GhostlyDeath |
Isn't he dead now? |
| 19:21 |
PilzAdam |
spam? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=82321#p82321 |
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thefamilygrog66 |
Hey PilzAdam: I'm having some issues with your simple mobs mod in 0.4.6 - have you noticed any issues? |
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GhostlyDeath |
Leoneof: idlers infest IRC |
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mauvebic |
though im firmly of the opinion that countries should take care of their own poor before giving aid that never goes to those countries' poor |
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thexyz |
PilzAdam: no? |
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PilzAdam |
thefamilygrog66, yes, it isnt updated yet |
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thefamilygrog66 |
cool, thanks - it isn't just me then! :) |
| 19:21 |
GhostlyDeath |
minetest needs more excitement |
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Exio |
code it |
| 19:22 |
GhostlyDeath |
including a single header will do nothing |
| 19:22 |
GhostlyDeath |
Unless said header allows irrilicht to work on iOS |
| 19:22 |
GhostlyDeath |
of which, irrilicht would be badly written if you needed separate headers for different platforms |
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mauvebic |
irrlicht on iOS, are you on drugs? :p |
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Leoneof |
Ogre3D? |
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GhostlyDeath |
Before I make any mods, I'd need a bridge to C |
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mauvebic |
? |
| 19:25 |
mauvebic |
ze api is lua? |
| 19:25 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I tried another game yesterday called "Manic Digger" - it's fast, but doesn't come close to minetest as far as playability goes |
| 19:26 |
STHGOM |
a proggraming language |
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GhostlyDeath |
mauvebic: I much prefer C over Lua |
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Leoneof |
hello mojo jojo |
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STHGOM |
i learning C++ |
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GhostlyDeath |
I've known C for 12 years |
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Leoneof |
STHGOM: keep learning C++ till 2023 to master it |
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STHGOM |
ok :D |
| 19:28 |
Leoneof |
STHGOM: or RIP comes before that ;) |
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thefamilygrog66 |
john_minetest: yes, strange blocks, and they're named when you focus on them. world generation was way too steep, and kinda sucks |
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thefamilygrog66 |
lua is easy, my kinda learning curve |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
sfan5 have you compiled minetest for android? |
| 19:30 |
sfan5 |
yes, but it doesn't work, because irrlicht doesn't work correctly |
| 19:31 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
could i have a download of it being compiled |
| 19:31 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
or does compiling edit irrlicht |
| 19:31 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
wow that is the first time i said it right in months |
| 19:33 |
GhostlyDeath |
How do people get screenshots of their entire world? |
| 19:33 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
they have a mapper program |
| 19:33 |
sfan5 |
GhostlyDeath: minetestmapper |
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sfan5 |
the python version in the official repo is very slow, some guy on the forums made a c++ version |
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thefamilygrog66 |
john_minetest: yeah, I guess it isn't that bad. I also have a couple of versions of Lamecraft on my PSP, which almost get it right. Tough controls though. |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
so sfan5 can you give me a download? Yes or No? |
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sfan5 |
no |
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NotReallyNick |
Is RealBadAngel on? |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
fine i will compile it myself |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
once i find a comiler app |
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sfan5 |
"compiler app" you're not going to find that |
| 19:34 |
sfan5 |
you need a full linux system to compile minetest and not a stupid code app |
| 19:35 |
sfan5 |
<GhostlyDeath> Unless said header allows irrilicht to work on iOS |
| 19:35 |
sfan5 |
irrlicht works on iOS |
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thefamilygrog66 |
irrlicht is almost as awkward to spell as is oerrki... |
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* sfan5 |
disagrees |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
how do i find different irrlicht |
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Kacey |
ShadowNinja, it was using infinite blocks |
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thefamilygrog66 |
haha, there you go |
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RealBadAngel |
NotReallyNick, i am |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
i just found a working example of irrlicht i think |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
http://gitorious.org/irrlichtandroid/pages/Home |
| 19:38 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
http://www.scigems.org/downloads/ |
| 19:38 |
NotReallyNick |
RealBadAngel: I just noticed the pulseaudio error happens in regular Minetest too. It's not what causes the segfault. SO we have no error message for that at all. |
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NotReallyNick |
*So |
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RealBadAngel |
NotReallyNick, i changed luajit code, now it looks for system wide installed luajit |
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NotReallyNick |
Okay, I don't have a system-wide instalation. |
| 19:39 |
RealBadAngel |
so make one, easy |
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Doyousketch2 |
STHGOM I've been boning up on my C++ too. there's a great YouTube channel for it - look up antRTFM |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
sfan those irlicht examples worked for me |
| 19:40 |
RealBadAngel |
http://luajit.org/download/LuaJIT-2.0.1.tar.gz |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
have you tried minetest yet |
| 19:40 |
Taoki |
Can you register a node to execute a function when you dig another node of any type? |
| 19:40 |
RealBadAngel |
cd src, make, make install |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
or just the examples you made |
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Taoki |
In Lua |
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RealBadAngel |
and you have it installed |
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RealBadAngel |
then game will use it |
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sfan5 |
jojoa1997|Tablet: just the examples, I already said that |
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sfan5 |
also, I need the source code of the examples at scigems.org to be able to make it work |
| 19:42 |
Leoneof |
thefamilygrog66: there are minetest for PSP? i want one! |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
you mean this? http://gitorious.org/irrlichtandroid/ |
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thefamilygrog66 |
Leoneof: not minetest, but there's a homebrew called lamecraft, which has a few forks with added mods |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
also do me a favor and try to run minetest just once |
| 19:43 |
Leoneof |
thefamilygrog66: cool, thanks |
| 19:43 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
cause you say you havent |
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dachary |
Hi, I'm looking for mods and it looks like http://minetest.com/mods/ only contains a few. Am I missing the full list ? |
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sfan5 |
jojoa1997|Tablet: yeah, but if irrlicht doesn't work in the examples, how should it work in minetest? |
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thefamilygrog66 |
Leoneof: try http://lamecraft.weebly.com/mods.html - I have s4inexcraft installed as well, and it has a few more features than the original |
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Leoneof |
thefamilygrog66: cool, it can play online? |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
sfan please do this for me as a favor. either try it and tell me or send me a download and i will try it myself |
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jojoa1997|Tablet |
who knows your examples could be wrongly coded |
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thefamilygrog66 |
Leoneof: not that I know of - I was just looking for interesting homebrew for my pspgo, and came across it |
| 19:47 |
mauvebic |
uh, who knew, you can remove the userlist from xchat lol |
| 19:47 |
sfan5 |
jojoa1997|Tablet: the examples aren't wrong! |
| 19:48 |
mauvebic |
much easier to read lol |
| 19:48 |
sfan5 |
minetest does it in the same way as the examples do |
| 19:48 |
khonkhortisan |
yeah, drag right |
| 19:49 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
why dont you want to send me a download. it wont hurt anyone and if it doesnt work then i cant publish it. also everyone would know it was you cause i cant compile so why dont you want me to have the compiled version |
| 19:49 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Leoneof: of course with any homebrew, you'll have to be running a modded system software (e.g. 6.20 PRO, etc.) |
| 19:50 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
also the examples >>could<< be wrong not >>are<< wrong |
| 19:50 |
Leoneof |
thefamilygrog66: i'm still with 5.33 :] |
| 19:51 |
sfan5 |
jojoa1997|Tablet: why can't you compile? don't you have a computer with linux? |
| 19:51 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Leoneof: nice - the pspgo shipped with 6.20, so I did what I could with it |
| 19:51 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
no i dont |
| 19:51 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
and my mom wont let me get linux |
| 19:51 |
Leoneof |
thefamilygrog66: oh pspgo, i have psp slim ;D |
| 19:51 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
so i am stuck |
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| 19:52 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
also she wont let me get a compiler |
| 19:52 |
sfan5 |
install linux in virtualbox |
| 19:52 |
sdzen |
anyone remember that issue with windows clients where the inventory gets all messed up? |
| 19:52 |
sdzen |
anyone ever fix that? |
| 19:52 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Leoneof: they had them on clearance for $99 - couldn't resist |
| 19:52 |
mauvebic |
understandable, your mother wants to be able to user *her* computer :p |
| 19:52 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
my MOM WONT LET ME!!! |
| 19:53 |
mauvebic |
*use |
| 19:53 |
sfan5 |
why? |
| 19:53 |
mauvebic |
likely because if something goes wrong he wont be able to fix it |
| 19:53 |
Leoneof |
thefamilygrog66: lucky ;) |
| 19:53 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
im not sure but it isnt mine until i go to college |
| 19:53 |
sfan5 |
..forget that, don't you have your own computer? |
| 19:53 |
sapier |
you could have a try if all of that memory cleanup Ive done fixes the bug sdzen ... if it will be merged somewher in future |
| 19:53 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
yes |
| 19:53 |
sfan5 |
mauvebic: you can't do anything wrong if you install virtualbox |
| 19:53 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
but she "owns" it till i go to college |
| 19:54 |
mauvebic |
true, but there are still exploits |
| 19:54 |
mauvebic |
how old are you? |
| 19:54 |
mauvebic |
10 or 12? |
| 19:54 |
mauvebic |
(i forget) |
| 19:54 |
sfan5 |
jojoa1997|Tablet: what about installing a compiler on you tablet? |
| 19:54 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
please dont tell me to get a program or buy a new one. this is my computer and my mom controls what is on it |
| 19:54 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
sfan i cant remember |
| 19:54 |
mauvebic |
i think by the time you get to college, you wont have the same computer |
| 19:55 |
khonkhortisan |
Don't use a computer you can't install a compiler on |
| 19:55 |
* sfan5 |
agrees 100& |
| 19:55 |
mauvebic |
god knows my parents bought one for my sister 6 months before going off to uni, when she got there, it wasn't powerful enough lol |
| 19:55 |
sfan5 |
*% |
| 19:55 |
sdzen |
ahem |
| 19:55 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
15:34] <sfan5> "compiler app" you're not going to find that |
| 19:55 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
[15:34] <sfan5> you need a full linux system to compile minetest and not a stupid code app |
| 19:55 |
sdzen |
could you not hide the programs? |
| 19:56 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
she has a program that records everything on my computer |
| 19:56 |
khonkhortisan |
wow |
| 19:56 |
mauvebic |
smart |
| 19:56 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
if i could i would hide minetest |
| 19:56 |
mauvebic |
lot of pervs on the net people |
| 19:56 |
PilzAdam |
john_minetest, what program? |
| 19:56 |
sdzen |
damn |
| 19:56 |
PilzAdam |
* jojoa1997|Tablet |
| 19:56 |
sdzen |
keep it on a flash drive? |
| 19:57 |
sdzen |
technically not on the computer |
| 19:57 |
mauvebic |
running off a live image shouldn't leavea trace but in ram |
| 19:57 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
she can tell what programs i start at what time and how many |
| 19:57 |
Exio |
i have an idea jojoa |
| 19:57 |
thefamilygrog66 |
can you just boot off a ubuntu disc? |
| 19:57 |
sfan5 |
ram gets deleted once the power goes off (reboot, shutdown) |
| 19:57 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
it is a program that stores the info |
| 19:57 |
sdzen |
have a live usb |
| 19:57 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
while you are on |
| 19:57 |
sdzen |
no apps will appear |
| 19:57 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
one sec |
| 19:58 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
also please send me a download |
| 19:58 |
sfan5 |
/test |
| 19:58 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
it would make my life soo much easier |
| 19:58 |
PilzAdam |
john_minetest, was a misstype, sorry |
| 19:58 |
thefamilygrog66 |
jojoa1997: download a ubuntu .iso file and burn it to a disc - then you can boot off of it |
| 19:58 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
pilzadam what? |
| 19:58 |
sfan5 |
* sfan5 changed title to: help for 12 kids with a strict mom! now in #minetest |
| 19:58 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i have tried to install ubuntu and that doesnt work |
| 19:59 |
sfan5 |
wtf brain?! |
| 19:59 |
thefamilygrog66 |
not install - just boot |
| 19:59 |
PilzAdam |
jojoa1997|Tablet, what program does your mother use to track what you do? |
| 19:59 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
also im not 12 |
| 19:59 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
bsecure |
| 19:59 |
STHGOM |
bbl |
| 19:59 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i have looked everywhere online on how to bypass and nothing |
| 19:59 |
mauvebic |
i wouldn't teach him how to get around it, it might be the last time we hear of him :p |
| 19:59 |
thefamilygrog66 |
what are you looking for exactly? compiled linux minetest? |
| 20:00 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
compiled for android |
| 20:00 |
sfan5 |
thefamilygrog66: compiled android minetest |
| 20:00 |
PilzAdam |
jojoa1997|Tablet, thats only an online filter |
| 20:00 |
* thefamilygrog66 |
didn't realise there was such a thing... |
| 20:00 |
PilzAdam |
it doesnt record the programs you start |
| 20:00 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
pilzadam it records my apps |
| 20:00 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i have seen the list |
| 20:00 |
PilzAdam |
it doesnt |
| 20:00 |
Exio |
jojoa is not 12 |
| 20:00 |
Exio |
he is 9 |
| 20:00 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
it knows when i am on gimp |
| 20:01 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
and then she checks my entire pc |
| 20:01 |
PilzAdam |
yes, but not with bsecure |
| 20:01 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
and i stress that she will find one of my backups and look for other |
| 20:01 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
gahhhhh |
| 20:01 |
sfan5 |
encrypt them |
| 20:01 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
if i encrypt will it show up on pc? |
| 20:01 |
mauvebic |
being 9, his mother prolly knows better than the people here :p |
| 20:02 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
im in highschool |
| 20:02 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I still say just run a ubuntu boot disc |
| 20:02 |
sfan5 |
suurreeee... |
| 20:02 |
sdzen |
yeah |
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| 20:02 |
sdzen |
so long as it isnt locked somehow |
| 20:02 |
thefamilygrog66 |
put the disc in, reboot and hit F12 before the windows screen |
| 20:02 |
PilzAdam |
jojoa1997|Tablet, yea, run a live system |
| 20:02 |
sdzen |
not off disc |
| 20:02 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
it messed up my computer |
| 20:02 |
sdzen |
discs are terrible :) |
| 20:02 |
thefamilygrog66 |
it'll work for what he's trying to do tho |
| 20:02 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i was lucky i got it started again |
| 20:03 |
khonkhortisan |
Can she see this conversation? |
| 20:03 |
sfan5 |
<jojoa1997|Tablet> it messed up my computer |
| 20:03 |
sfan5 |
a live cd |
| 20:03 |
thefamilygrog66 |
^ that |
| 20:03 |
sfan5 |
then you must be doing something wrong |
| 20:03 |
sdzen |
yes |
| 20:03 |
sdzen |
a live cd |
| 20:03 |
sdzen |
does not touch the partition windows is on |
| 20:03 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i downloaded and decompressed onto a cd |
| 20:04 |
sdzen |
unless you want it to :) |
| 20:04 |
thefamilygrog66 |
maybe he changed the bios boot settings, instead of just temporarily booting off cd |
| 20:04 |
dachary |
Hi, I'm trying to add a link to http://wiki.minetest.com/index.php?title=Mods&action=submit and it keeps asking me to select the cats ( which I do ) . What's the issue ? |
| 20:04 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
also my mom cant see this conversation unless she looks in logs |
| 20:04 |
PilzAdam |
dachary, the captcha is broken |
| 20:04 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
luckily i know more on android then she does |
| 20:04 |
dachary |
PilzAdam: so no edit possible ? |
| 20:04 |
dachary |
I wanted to add * [http://mesecons.net/ It's the counterpart of redstone in Minecraft] |
| 20:06 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i want to make this clear |
| 20:06 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i am not installing ubuntu |
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sdzen |
and you wouldn't |
| 20:07 |
dachary |
is there a way to add mods to an existing game ? |
| 20:07 |
PilzAdam |
jojoa1997|Tablet, you can run ubuntu as a live system from a cd or usb stick |
| 20:07 |
dachary |
s/game/world/ |
| 20:07 |
thefamilygrog66 |
the thing is, a live cd just runs temporarily - it doesn't install anything |
| 20:07 |
sdzen |
without adding any files to the computer |
| 20:07 |
PilzAdam |
dachary, sure |
| 20:07 |
sdzen |
a live usb can install things |
| 20:07 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
I AM NOT DOING THIS |
| 20:07 |
sdzen |
if done right |
| 20:08 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
NO UBUNTU |
| 20:08 |
GhostlyDeath |
I found myself unable to craft |
| 20:08 |
PilzAdam |
kubuntu? |
| 20:08 |
GhostlyDeath |
turns out invisible moss was in my craft box |
| 20:08 |
thefamilygrog66 |
mint? |
| 20:08 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
if my mom finds out then no computer and then i am screwed with school |
| 20:08 |
Exio |
jojoa1997|Tablet: do you know what "understanding" is? |
| 20:08 |
sdzen |
technically you would do nothing to the computer |
| 20:09 |
GhostlyDeath |
You can put Linux on a USB flash frive |
| 20:09 |
sdzen |
so there is no need for her to be upset |
| 20:09 |
GhostlyDeath |
drive* |
| 20:09 |
GhostlyDeath |
and run root from it |
| 20:09 |
GhostlyDeath |
simple |
| 20:09 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
guys stop |
| 20:09 |
sdzen |
okay tell us whats wrong with this idea |
| 20:09 |
Exio |
jojoa, do you have root in your tablet? |
| 20:09 |
dachary |
PilzAdam: good to know :-) Is there a URL somewhere explaining how ? Or should a new mod installed be immediately available to all existing worlds, even those created before the addition of the mods ? |
| 20:10 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
this isnt will the computer break thing it is me installing not only a program but also an OS |
| 20:10 |
Exio |
if yes, install a kernel what supports swap, enable one |
| 20:10 |
Exio |
let me say something jojoa1997|Tablet |
| 20:10 |
PilzAdam |
dachary, the mods are added to all worlds |
| 20:10 |
sdzen |
but you wouldnt be installing it |
| 20:10 |
Exio |
YOU WILL NOT INSTALL ANYTHING IN YOUR COMPUTER WITH A LIVECD/USB |
| 20:10 |
mauvebic |
please, with the caps |
| 20:10 |
PilzAdam |
dachary, you can disable them in the "Configure" menu for worlds |
| 20:10 |
dachary |
PilzAdam: thanks. That's probably my bad then. Checking again. |
| 20:10 |
sdzen |
it stays in the usb |
| 20:10 |
Hwkiller |
Why are we arguing bout livecd's right now? |
| 20:11 |
sdzen |
nothing on the computer will be installed or deleted |
| 20:11 |
sdzen |
because yes |
| 20:11 |
PilzAdam |
Hwkiller, just for the lulz |
| 20:11 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
my mom says no so there is no way i can/will ever do it |
| 20:11 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
until she gives me the computer |
| 20:12 |
sfan5 |
if you have an usb port in your tablet, you could install ubuntu on the usb drive from the tablet |
| 20:12 |
sdzen |
you asked her if you could run it off a usb stick? |
| 20:12 |
Hwkiller |
I think we're missing the point... |
| 20:12 |
sdzen |
and she said no? |
| 20:12 |
NotReallyNick |
New plan: We all pitch in and buy jojoa1997|Tablet a new Ubuntu laptop. |
| 20:12 |
sdzen |
I think he is missing the reckless abandon that comes with being a teenager |
| 20:12 |
Exio |
no |
| 20:12 |
Hwkiller |
It's not which option "makes sense" it's "which makes sense to her", and if none of those optoins make sense to her, then it's a no-go. period. |
| 20:13 |
Hwkiller |
why not just install a VM? |
| 20:13 |
PilzAdam |
NotReallyNick, and then give it PilzAdam because jojoa1997|Tablet's mom doesnt allow it :-) |
| 20:13 |
Hwkiller |
or just leave him be |
| 20:13 |
NotReallyNick |
PilzAdam: Noted. Will your mother allow it? |
| 20:13 |
khonkhortisan |
Your mom is looking for you to do something wrong. Write an app that does nothing that has a bad name, then install it. See how she reacts. |
| 20:13 |
PilzAdam |
NotReallyNick, she doesnt need to |
| 20:13 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
guys |
| 20:14 |
mauvebic |
brilliant |
| 20:14 |
mauvebic |
</sarcasm> |
| 20:14 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
my mom is more computer literate than me so stop pushing |
| 20:14 |
khonkhortisan |
oh, well that's different then. |
| 20:15 |
mauvebic |
not to mention, she owns it, and going against the owners' wishes is never wise |
| 20:15 |
mauvebic |
like people installing linux behind people's backs because "its better" |
| 20:15 |
mauvebic |
one surefire way to never be asked for support again |
| 20:16 |
NotReallyNick |
PilzAdam: True. My mother doesn't approve of my Ubuntu laptop either. She pretty much disapproves of anything non-Windows-based. Ironically, she's the only one in the house that's willing to go anywhere near Windows. The rest of us all use something else. |
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NakedFury |
:D NotReallyNick your mother is amazing then |
| 20:17 |
NotReallyNick |
NakedFury: Amazing hoW |
| 20:17 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
| 20:17 |
NotReallyNick |
? |
| 20:17 |
NotReallyNick |
Bye. |
| 20:17 |
NakedFury |
bye |
| 20:17 |
khonkhortisan |
Reboot installing is reason enough to stay away |
| 20:18 |
NotReallyNick |
Amazing how? |
| 20:18 |
Hwkiller |
apparently NakedFury is a windows fan :p |
| 20:18 |
NakedFury |
:D |
| 20:18 |
NakedFury |
thats what I use |
| 20:18 |
Hwkiller |
you poor soul |
| 20:18 |
mauvebic |
nothing wrong with that |
| 20:18 |
NakedFury |
I play too much and all the architecture programs I need are windows or mac |
| 20:19 |
NakedFury |
and I dont like macs |
| 20:19 |
mauvebic |
hate to break it to you, but arch is the last bridge for me, if that starts sucking, ill seriously consider win7 lol |
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| 20:19 |
NakedFury |
yay! a convert |
| 20:19 |
mauvebic |
no not a convert lol |
| 20:19 |
mauvebic |
ive just been through all the linux phases and im at the last one |
| 20:20 |
GhostlyDeath |
Running the mobs mod |
| 20:20 |
Hwkiller |
nobody "converts" to windows |
| 20:20 |
GhostlyDeath |
And it seems nothing can hurt each other |
| 20:20 |
NakedFury |
but I have a linux ubuntu and xubuntu something on my laptop |
| 20:20 |
Hwkiller |
lol |
| 20:20 |
GhostlyDeath |
damage is on |
| 20:20 |
mauvebic |
exasparation with constant breakage,changing of standards, etc. |
| 20:20 |
NakedFury |
you wont face that on windows mauvebic |
| 20:20 |
mauvebic |
naw but id have to deal with malware instead |
| 20:20 |
Hwkiller |
GhostlyDeath: yeah I had that issue too |
| 20:20 |
mauvebic |
so its a question of tradeoffs: do i want to deal with malware, or shitty graphics and sound? |
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NotReallyNick |
NakedFury: That's because Windows doesn't implement standards. |
| 20:21 |
dachary |
Where can I find a list of the chat commands ? ( /mods etc. ) ? |
| 20:21 |
Hwkiller |
linux has a far better cost:benefit ratio than windows does for me |
| 20:21 |
Hwkiller |
dachary: /help ? |
| 20:21 |
dachary |
:-D |
| 20:21 |
VanessaE |
hi all. |
| 20:21 |
dachary |
of course... |
| 20:21 |
NotReallyNick |
/help all |
| 20:21 |
mauvebic |
only if your time is worth nothing $ |
| 20:21 |
NotReallyNick |
Hey, VanessaE! |
| 20:21 |
VanessaE |
mauvebic: only if your WORK TIME is worth nothing. |
| 20:22 |
mauvebic |
depends how much free time you have too |
| 20:22 |
VanessaE |
never confuse "all spare time" with "time I could spend working to make money" |
| 20:22 |
Exio |
[17:19:27] <mauvebic> hate to break it to you, but arch is the last bridge for me, if that starts sucking, ill seriously consider win7 lol |
| 20:22 |
jordan4ibanez |
Mapgen v7 :D |
| 20:22 |
mauvebic |
do i really enjoy wasting weekends debugging a shitty update? no lol |
| 20:22 |
Exio |
wtf |
| 20:22 |
jordan4ibanez |
Is there a latest build for today? |
| 20:22 |
VanessaE |
jordan4ibanez: not yet. |
| 20:22 |
Exio |
arch and not sucking |
| 20:22 |
VanessaE |
jordan4ibanez: that's not a complete commit |
| 20:22 |
Hwkiller |
mauvebic: I can get up and running linux far quicker than I do windows, and I spend far less time having to tweak and install on linux... so I save time on linux |
| 20:22 |
mauvebic |
arch does it better than the other major dists |
| 20:22 |
dachary |
there does not seem to be a way to figure out my altitude, is there ? |
| 20:22 |
* sfan5 |
has a pretty recent win32 build of minetest |
| 20:23 |
GhostlyDeath |
Seems mobs just do no damage at all |
| 20:23 |
mauvebic |
mainly because they dont patch the bejesus out of everything |
| 20:23 |
jordan4ibanez |
How is it not a complete commit? |
| 20:23 |
VanessaE |
jordan4ibanez: the v7 code was committed so that some other work could get done without conflicts with the v7 code. So the v7 code is disabled by default. |
| 20:23 |
mauvebic |
vanilla packages work as intended |
| 20:23 |
mauvebic |
on ubuntu, you always have to find ubuntu-specific instructions |
| 20:23 |
jordan4ibanez |
Well can you enable it? |
| 20:23 |
Exio |
mauvebic: arch is ok if you want the lastest package |
| 20:23 |
VanessaE |
jordan4ibanez: afaict yes, but you have to make a couple of minor tweaks to the source code I think |
| 20:24 |
Exio |
mauvebic: what will not work in half of the systems with your other packages |
| 20:24 |
mauvebic |
Exio i rarely update when i have a working setup |
| 20:24 |
VanessaE |
I am not aware of the exact details though |
| 20:24 |
jordan4ibanez |
sfan5 can you try to make a build with mapgen v7? |
| 20:24 |
Exio |
mauvebic: > arch > don't update |
| 20:24 |
VanessaE |
and v7 is still considered to be incomplete - it doesn't even add trees yet. |
| 20:24 |
mauvebic |
you think updates are smoother in ubuntu? lol |
| 20:24 |
sfan5 |
i have the most recent commit (i think) |
| 20:24 |
Exio |
gentoo, debian |
| 20:24 |
Exio |
gentoo, the "lastest working system - rolling release" |
| 20:25 |
Exio |
debian, the thing what you are sure will work |
| 20:25 |
Hwkiller |
meh, debian is old and crusty. gentoo... I Just don't have time for that |
| 20:25 |
Hwkiller |
that actually does require time. |
| 20:25 |
sapier |
debian is stable ;-P |
| 20:25 |
mauvebic |
one package being update depends on another thats been replace or another but a different version, ive had 'buntus break just as much if not more |
| 20:25 |
Exio |
arch has the lastest packages, with their bugs and incompatibilities |
| 20:25 |
GhostlyDeath |
Seems the default and fire mods are not found |
| 20:25 |
mauvebic |
well its not the buntu devs who are more competent at fixing said bugs |
| 20:25 |
Hwkiller |
I've had far more bugs/incompatibilities in non-arch distros |
| 20:26 |
Exio |
and arch devs sucks at having a working system |
| 20:26 |
mauvebic |
they just remove it |
| 20:26 |
Hwkiller |
mainly because they want to patch shit |
| 20:26 |
Exio |
what the hell |
| 20:26 |
Exio |
do you even think having vanilla stuff i the most-cool-thing ever? |
| 20:26 |
Hwkiller |
I have a number of arch systems, all which are working 100% |
| 20:26 |
Exio |
arch is like a chainsaw |
| 20:26 |
mauvebic |
the most functional thing ever, yes |
| 20:26 |
Exio |
it will not hurt you until you don't have legs and arms |
| 20:26 |
Hwkiller |
Exio: they are patching, not committing upstream, and expecting it to work as well as it would if the ACTUAL DEVS worked on it |
| 20:27 |
mauvebic |
cuz you see, i can go the devs' website, follow his/her documentation, and by god, it works! |
| 20:27 |
mauvebic |
buntu you have to cross your fingers that someone wrote a FAQ for ubuntu for said package |
| 20:27 |
mauvebic |
and the thread is usually a year old and out of date |
| 20:27 |
Exio |
well, if you don't know how to manage a system it is not a distro problem, that is right |
| 20:27 |
mauvebic |
and with fewer users now, its probably worse then when i ditched 'em |
| 20:27 |
Exio |
if you suck at understanding pages, it is your problem, not mine |
| 20:28 |
Hwkiller |
oh please |
| 20:28 |
mauvebic |
lol |
| 20:28 |
mauvebic |
how long you been using linux? |
| 20:28 |
Hwkiller |
"lets debunk he argument by attacking their abilities, no matter how irrelevant" |
| 20:28 |
Exio |
5~6 years by now |
| 20:28 |
mauvebic |
8 |
| 20:28 |
GhostlyDeath |
I use Debian, and my systems have never had any problems ever |
| 20:28 |
Exio |
(using really, not using as random dual-boot user) |
| 20:28 |
mauvebic |
more if you include mandrake |
| 20:28 |
Hwkiller |
I use arch and I came across ONE hiccup, and that's because I didn't read the newspage |
| 20:28 |
GhostlyDeath |
I started Linux in 2k5 |
| 20:28 |
Hwkiller |
it was fixed in ~10 minutes |
| 20:29 |
GhostlyDeath |
Now all my systems run Debian |
| 20:29 |
GhostlyDeath |
laptops, desktops, embedded |
| 20:29 |
VanessaE |
I have occasional problems on my box, but perhaps no worse than anyone else has |
| 20:29 |
GhostlyDeath |
For me, everything just works |
| 20:29 |
NotReallyNick |
I have problems when running Debian, but no issues when running Ubuntu. |
| 20:29 |
Exio |
"Only packages in the [core] repo are required to go through [testing] first. Anything else can be moved straight to the main repos." |
| 20:29 |
Exio |
Allan said that |
| 20:30 |
Hwkiller |
there is also community-testing |
| 20:30 |
Hwkiller |
and that says "required" |
| 20:30 |
Exio |
i want a working system, not a system with the lastest-package-what-works-half-of-the-time-with-my-config |
| 20:30 |
GhostlyDeath |
I use Debian with a self built kernel though |
| 20:30 |
Hwkiller |
not that they don't also go into testing |
| 20:30 |
mauvebic |
sucks to be you if you need your OS to coddle you, and you have to go begging to them to fix shit, i go straight to the devs that wrote the package |
| 20:30 |
Taoki |
Is there a function to get the position of a node? I searched but can't find it anywhere... |
| 20:30 |
GhostlyDeath |
Right now I run 3.8.4 |
| 20:30 |
Exio |
Hwkiller: archlinux because "zomg, we need to upgrade faster" |
| 20:30 |
Exio |
got killed the poor performance of my laptop, over 10 times |
| 20:30 |
Hwkiller |
GhostlyDeath: I have a few compiled kernels as well :p |
| 20:30 |
Exio |
and because they "didn't patch" like other distros did, or being 1337 with the updates, i had to. 1) |
| 20:31 |
Hwkiller |
vanilla, -ck, static... |
| 20:31 |
GhostlyDeath |
I mass upgraded 10 systems at once to 3.8.4 |
| 20:31 |
Exio |
recompile the whole X11, MESA and shit, or just have 1/25 of the performance |
| 20:31 |
mauvebic |
lol you're assuming arch users are like you |
| 20:31 |
GhostlyDeath |
I just use one single extra patch, which is aufs |
| 20:31 |
mauvebic |
we only need the latest packages of the things we use, we dont update the system every 3 days |
| 20:31 |
Exio |
or wait, use a bunch of -git packages in aur |
| 20:31 |
Hwkiller |
Exio: sounds like you suck at arch linux, tbh |
| 20:31 |
Hwkiller |
lol |
| 20:31 |
mauvebic |
seriously lol |
| 20:31 |
GhostlyDeath |
Since I use squashfs+aufs for a compressed /usr |
| 20:31 |
Hwkiller |
seriously, I'm in the support channels all the time without hearing any of these supposed problems |
| 20:31 |
GhostlyDeath |
saves me tons of disk space |
| 20:31 |
Taoki |
Anyone know how to get the position of a node in Lua please? |
| 20:31 |
Exio |
mauvebic: i update the system every week / every 2 weeks |
| 20:32 |
Hwkiller |
usually it's people who screw their system up by using pacman -Syuf |
| 20:32 |
mauvebic |
force flag lol |
| 20:32 |
GhostlyDeath |
For package management, I just use aptitude |
| 20:32 |
GhostlyDeath |
allows for easy searching, etc, along with debian.org |
| 20:32 |
Exio |
emerge > pacman > apt |
| 20:32 |
Exio |
in terms of features and usefulness |
| 20:32 |
mauvebic |
most of the buntu' users here report minetest gobbling up GIGs of ram |
| 20:32 |
Hwkiller |
emerge = "I enjoy compiling fucking everything" |
| 20:32 |
Hwkiller |
which is asinine for 95% of users |
| 20:32 |
mauvebic |
i run 210mb and people say my mods are heavy |
| 20:32 |
khonkhortisan |
All I get is a gray pacman game |
| 20:32 |
GhostlyDeath |
mauvebic: Probably just commit |
| 20:33 |
GhostlyDeath |
mauvebic: i.e., how much minetest grabs in VM space |
| 20:33 |
GhostlyDeath |
not actual usage |
| 20:33 |
Exio |
emerge = "I enjoy having a system like how i want without some assholes with the lastest fucking package what works in half of the systems" |
| 20:33 |
Exio |
i wasn't the only who had those problems, and most arch devs are bitches when stability "comes" to the stuff |
| 20:33 |
Hwkiller |
Exio: except you're literally WRONG on that; obviously it works on more than half of the systems, since MOST people seem to have a solid installation without issues |
| 20:33 |
Exio |
arch works, as windows 7 works in the other computer |
| 20:33 |
mauvebic |
sounds like you were butthurt by not being able to fix shit you hastely updated |
| 20:34 |
Exio |
common arch-luser, "the problem is you" |
| 20:34 |
GhostlyDeath |
steven 3003 93.4 2.7 184280 85028 ? SLl 16:33 0:43 minetest |
| 20:34 |
mauvebic |
it usually is if you went from working OS to broken OS |
| 20:34 |
mauvebic |
we cant beam special failure rays at your OS |
| 20:34 |
Hwkiller |
if nearly everyone's arch installation works, and the packages are fine... what does that tell you? |
| 20:34 |
Exio |
who said they are fine? |
| 20:34 |
mauvebic |
you need physical access to a computer to fail lol |
| 20:35 |
Exio |
well mauvebic and Hwkiller |
| 20:35 |
GhostlyDeath |
mauvebic: Who has physical access? |
| 20:35 |
Exio |
if you somewhen stop being l33t and want a working system, tell me |
| 20:35 |
GhostlyDeath |
IRC is in another room |
| 20:35 |
GhostlyDeath |
minetest server is 5 feet away |
| 20:35 |
Exio |
arch is good and awesome for testing |
| 20:35 |
Hwkiller |
Exio: IF so many people had issues with it, we'd see far more users seeking support on the forums and in the irc; we don't realistically see that many |
| 20:35 |
GhostlyDeath |
and I am on my bed relaxing heheh |
| 20:35 |
sdzen |
the guy with the hammer and a screwdriver has physical access |
| 20:35 |
GhostlyDeath |
Does the axe even do anything? |
| 20:36 |
Exio |
Hwkiller: the bugs gets fixed with an AUR package |
| 20:36 |
GhostlyDeath |
Wooden axe, stone axe, cutting down trees is all the same speed |
| 20:36 |
mauvebic |
leet lol |
| 20:36 |
Exio |
every bug in arch's main repository gets fixed with -git packages, as archlinux works |
| 20:36 |
mauvebic |
im not the one pushing people to install linux behind people's backs |
| 20:36 |
Hwkiller |
Exio: This seems like why your system broke, tbh |
| 20:36 |
mauvebic |
i tell people to use whats comfortable for them, but dont tell me arch is worse than ubuntu lol |
| 20:36 |
Hwkiller |
if you had that many aur packages, all -git... |
| 20:36 |
Hwkiller |
why not just ues the ABS? |
| 20:36 |
GhostlyDeath |
Usually in Debian |
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| 20:36 |
GhostlyDeath |
If you install packages from another distro, things break |
| 20:36 |
Exio |
Hwkiller: tbh i would like to do that, but i wanted to keep my system without aur packages |
| 20:36 |
Hwkiller |
that's the point of the ABS... if you need to recompile with a certain switch, you don't use the aur. you use abs, make the change in version or switch |
| 20:37 |
GhostlyDeath |
Or if you install stuff in the next release on your old system |
| 20:37 |
GhostlyDeath |
Because of differences in how things are handled |
| 20:37 |
sdzen |
ubuntu gives me worse issues then arch |
| 20:37 |
GhostlyDeath |
Debian is out of date though, but it is pretty stable |
| 20:37 |
mauvebic |
if he feels im leet its only cuz i can fix shit without begging the dist-devs |
| 20:37 |
sapier |
"best" distribution always depends on what you're using it for ;-) |
| 20:37 |
sdzen |
especially updating from their silly named versions to another, such as precise to quantal or whatever |
| 20:38 |
sdzen |
that always goes wrong with me |
| 20:38 |
GhostlyDeath |
Debian is easy, because |
| 20:38 |
Exio |
sapier: yep, and there are some distros what don't work outside a 1337 mind |
| 20:38 |
GhostlyDeath |
I really don't want to manually compile tons of software |
| 20:38 |
GhostlyDeath |
on 20 different systems |
| 20:38 |
sapier |
I'm glad debian is a little bit out of date for example as any current distribution messed up multiscreen |
| 20:38 |
sapier |
multiscreen as of n > 2 |
| 20:39 |
mauvebic |
and if it werent for arch rolling out packages sooner - half the bugs wouldn't be fixed by the time it got to the masses of the other dists lol |
| 20:39 |
sdzen |
true |
| 20:39 |
mauvebic |
something to think about |
| 20:39 |
Exio |
mauvebic: "cuz i can fix stuff what is broke because the devs are bitches and can't try if what they upload to the main repository is a plain shit for 99% of the programs, what nicely the solution is compile the stuff what they should have done with other flags for having the proper system and when you do that you are losting the magic-and-col-thing-of-archlinux) |
| 20:39 |
Exio |
cool* "* ftfy* |
| 20:39 |
mauvebic |
if that were a paper, you'd fail |
| 20:40 |
mauvebic |
if youre gonna quote people , do it properly like any grade 5 student |
| 20:40 |
Exio |
archlinux has 100 news bugs for 50 they get fixed |
| 20:40 |
GhostlyDeath |
In general, software is written like garbage |
| 20:40 |
Hwkiller |
Exio: what are these 99% of programs that break for you? |
| 20:40 |
GhostlyDeath |
The reason bugs exist is because people are idiots, lazy, etc. |
| 20:40 |
Hwkiller |
seriously, I've had like ONE breakage |
| 20:40 |
Hwkiller |
two if you count the upgrade to a new version of ruby that borked a weechat script of mine |
| 20:41 |
sdzen |
2 broken here, both really insignificant, (and they were AUR packages so it kinda doesn't count) |
| 20:42 |
GhostlyDeath |
I've never had any breakages really |
| 20:42 |
rarkenin|Away |
How much network overhead is there with Minetest? Could packets be packaged together to save bandwidth? |
| 20:42 |
GhostlyDeath |
Except when foolish things were done |
| 20:42 |
Exio |
Hwkiller: most of them were 3d programs what didn't work because the lastest version of mesa+xorg wasn't "properly" working in my intel gma (yes, a netbook), and outside that, when it got fixed, the programs randomly crashed, and other small packages what stopped working but i don't care about them |
| 20:42 |
Exio |
programs what use 3d accel* |
| 20:42 |
mauvebic |
netbooks + linux = fail 90% of the time |
| 20:43 |
Hwkiller |
hm... I also have a netbook with intel gma, and it has not seen a single breakage |
| 20:43 |
Hwkiller |
in ~3 years of use |
| 20:43 |
Exio |
it wasn't a "breakage" |
| 20:43 |
Exio |
was a VERY POOR performance |
| 20:43 |
mauvebic |
and again, arch gives me the least hassle on the netbook |
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Exio |
it is normally only poor |
| 20:44 |
sapier |
netbooks aren't quite a good example as hardware of those is very similar compared to variaty used to be there for desktops and laptops |
| 20:44 |
mauvebic |
any kind of integrated graphics is a bad example lol |
| 20:44 |
Exio |
sapier: in debian (liveUSB with fretsonfire, assaultcube, etc) |
| 20:44 |
Exio |
playable |
| 20:44 |
Exio |
in archlinux, glxgears had <30 FPS |
| 20:44 |
Exio |
you can imagine in games |
| 20:44 |
mauvebic |
minetest on arch: 60FPS/210MB ram |
| 20:45 |
Exio |
what hardware? |
| 20:45 |
GhostlyDeath |
What is the screwdiver mod? |
| 20:45 |
mauvebic |
3gigs of ram, ATI RadeonHD |
| 20:45 |
GhostlyDeath |
glxgears is NOT a benchmark |
| 20:45 |
Exio |
"ati radeonhd" |
| 20:45 |
mauvebic |
some people do much worse with over 12 gigs of ram and a debian based dist |
| 20:45 |
GhostlyDeath |
It is just to see if your stuff works |
| 20:45 |
Taoki |
Uh... why is it that using on_place and on_dig causes nodes to be impossible to place and dig? |
| 20:45 |
Taoki |
Is this a bug? |
| 20:45 |
mauvebic |
and they have better graphics cards than i do |
| 20:46 |
Exio |
GhostlyDeath: I know, but it is pretty simple and "is perfect for checking if stuff is really properly working" |
| 20:46 |
Hwkiller |
I'll test minetest on my netbook |
| 20:46 |
Hwkiller |
after updating... so hang on |
| 20:46 |
Exio |
mauvebic: i have more than 60 FPS here with debian, 4gb of ram, nvidia gt 610 |
| 20:46 |
mauvebic |
i should update the netbook too lol its got one the 0.4.0 minetests |
| 20:46 |
Exio |
now say your model of gpu |
| 20:46 |
Exio |
radeonHD is like saying "i have a computer" |
| 20:46 |
Exio |
there a damn lot of them around |
| 20:46 |
mauvebic |
how should i know the precise model? its not a measure of manhood for me lol |
| 20:47 |
mauvebic |
i bought the tower a year ago |
| 20:47 |
Exio |
lspci | grep -i vga |
| 20:47 |
Hwkiller |
lspci |
| 20:47 |
GhostlyDeath |
minetest server is running on my Atom server |
| 20:47 |
GhostlyDeath |
runs well |
| 20:47 |
mauvebic |
00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Device 9642 |
| 20:47 |
GhostlyDeath |
except when canyon runs, things are slow there |
| 20:48 |
Exio |
what cpu mauvebic? |
| 20:48 |
mauvebic |
i bought the cheapest tower on the shelves a year ago and i can still get max performance from minetest while watching a bluray mov |
| 20:48 |
mauvebic |
how do i get that from lspic/ |
| 20:48 |
Hwkiller |
lspci | grep -i vga |
| 20:49 |
Exio |
cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:49 |
Hwkiller |
oh woops, I'm behind |
| 20:49 |
mauvebic |
(the fact that i dont know how to get this info just demonstrates how often i run into problems) |
| 20:49 |
Exio |
the fact that you don't know how to get info shows you how much you want to use the computer |
| 20:50 |
mauvebic |
processor: 1 |
| 20:50 |
mauvebic |
vendor_id: AuthenticAMD |
| 20:50 |
mauvebic |
cpu family: 18 |
| 20:50 |
mauvebic |
model: 1 |
| 20:50 |
mauvebic |
model name: AMD E2-3200 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics |
| 20:50 |
GhostlyDeath |
model name: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU D2700 @ 2.13GHz |
| 20:50 |
Exio |
ah, an APU |
| 20:50 |
GhostlyDeath |
Beat that |
| 20:50 |
sapier |
quite fast ;) |
| 20:50 |
Exio |
model name: AMD FX(tm)-6100 Six-Core Processor |
| 20:50 |
Hwkiller |
http://pastie.org/private/hhnfwinesxm4txf5gmog5g <-- my netbook's stuff |
| 20:50 |
sapier |
the amd one ;) |
| 20:50 |
Kacey |
!up menche.servegame.com |
| 20:50 |
MinetestBot |
menche.servegame.com:30000 is up (1.458ms) |
| 20:50 |
Exio |
model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz |
| 20:51 |
Exio |
i should start my old amd-duron :P |
| 20:51 |
mauvebic |
say what you will, if you know all this lspci crap by heart then youve likely been asked more than once to produce it lol |
| 20:51 |
Hwkiller |
oh. hmm... and I have to compile minetest-git on the netbook |
| 20:51 |
Hwkiller |
lol |
| 20:51 |
Hwkiller |
it'll take a bit |
| 20:51 |
* Hwkiller |
doesn't feel like setting up a cross-compiler |
| 20:51 |
Exio |
mauvebic: it is called "knowing what hardware you have" |
| 20:51 |
Exio |
i had to know what hardware i bought when buying this computer |
| 20:51 |
mauvebic |
why? a computer is a tool, not a classic car |
| 20:51 |
Exio |
and i had to know what hardware i had in the netbook for being able to optimize the stuff, a bit more |
| 20:52 |
mauvebic |
optimize implies the performance was crap to begin with |
| 20:52 |
dachary |
has anyone thought of creating a massively multiplayer version of a minetest server ? |
| 20:52 |
Exio |
mauvebic: i'm not rich, i don't want to pay 1000 USD for something what costs 500 USD and performs worse than my phone |
| 20:52 |
Exio |
mauvebic: in the netbook |
| 20:52 |
NakedFury |
dachary we need a massive amount of players first |
| 20:52 |
GhostlyDeath |
What is with me spawning in the air? |
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| 20:52 |
GhostlyDeath |
I fall down some and lose some life |
| 20:52 |
mauvebic |
i paid 290$ for the last tower |
| 20:52 |
Exio |
i still didn't install gentoo here :P |
| 20:52 |
mauvebic |
150 for the netbook before that |
| 20:52 |
Exio |
where do you live? |
| 20:52 |
mauvebic |
canada |
| 20:53 |
Exio |
ah, you have nice prices |
| 20:53 |
GhostlyDeath |
and there is snow in the middle of a desert |
| 20:53 |
mauvebic |
for computers, not cars lol |
| 20:53 |
Exio |
here the stuff is.. expensive :) |
| 20:53 |
mauvebic |
USD = CDN about the same, cars cost alot more here |
| 20:53 |
Exio |
and ARS is like 3/10 of USD |
| 20:53 |
mauvebic |
and our taxes are way higher than in the US |
| 20:54 |
Kacey |
i cannot connect to Menche's server |
| 20:54 |
mauvebic |
so we get double-screwed on some items |
| 20:54 |
Exio |
and we have high taxes + high inflation |
| 20:54 |
Doyousketch2 |
dachary, the idea's been bounced about, and it's 'prolly being worked toward, but we need to get the performance up first before we scale it up |
| 20:54 |
mauvebic |
taxes = expenditure, inflation = economic mismanagement |
| 20:54 |
Exio |
corruption you mean |
| 20:54 |
mauvebic |
that too |
| 20:55 |
mauvebic |
but its not proper to comment on that for other countries, just my own :p |
| 20:55 |
dachary |
NakedFury: :-D the server could be designed to scale out. Using an object store ( S3 / swift ) would be a first step. |
| 20:55 |
Exio |
well, argentina is nice in that stuff |
| 20:55 |
mauvebic |
hell, so far this year a dozen mayors and execs were arrested in QC |
| 20:55 |
Hwkiller |
eek, I need to update lots of things |
| 20:56 |
dachary |
Doyousketch2: the world being naturally clustered, where are the bottlenecks ? One can always limit the number of players within a culled area. |
| 20:56 |
GhostlyDeath |
Great |
| 20:56 |
GhostlyDeath |
I fell into a gigantic cobble stone hole |
| 20:56 |
mauvebic |
the mafia owns construction in quebec, so obivously our roads are full of holes, our overpasses fall and kill people, buildings crumble and kill people |
| 20:56 |
Exio |
my gpu should be like 1/4~1/5 "better" than yours mauvebic, can you disable vsync a bit? |
| 20:56 |
GhostlyDeath |
and there is no way to escape |
| 20:56 |
GhostlyDeath |
Is there a way to commit suicide? |
| 20:56 |
mauvebic |
that i cant do, vlc has tearing |
| 20:56 |
Doyousketch2 |
I suppose, but there seems to be lag, especially during map generation |
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Exio |
(a bit) |
| 20:56 |
Kacey |
maybe menche's server is froze up... |
| 20:56 |
Kacey |
!up menche.servegame.com |
| 20:56 |
MinetestBot |
menche.servegame.com:30000 is up (0.429ms) |
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Exio |
i want to know a bit more your frametime |
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mauvebic |
and VLC would rather blame linux, the graphics drivers, etc. before lifting a finger lol |
| 20:57 |
Doyousketch2 |
if we could maybe distribute the server load to the players, that might help |
| 20:57 |
NakedFury |
hey mauvebic saw this and thought of you: http://pixel.redditmedia.com/click?id=t3_1brjnm-t8_iyvn&hash=48e8f686acd68e456b8a3f47bf1a1437dc83a486&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clearlycontacts.ca%2Ffirstpairfree%3Fcmp%3Dsocial%26src%3Dreddit%26seg%3Dfpf05042013 |
| 20:57 |
Doyousketch2 |
I've been looking into distributed OS's to see if there's a solution that way |
| 20:58 |
GhostlyDeath |
/giveme bucket_lava |
| 20:58 |
GhostlyDeath |
die in lava |
| 20:58 |
mauvebic |
NakedFury: Vorbotten |
| 20:58 |
GhostlyDeath |
a flying rat, well |
| 20:58 |
mauvebic |
*verboten |
| 20:58 |
mauvebic |
why is it in german? |
| 20:59 |
Exio |
mauvebic: mplayer[2] wfm |
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mauvebic |
bash: mplayer[2]: command not found |
| 20:59 |
Exio |
(mplayer and mplayer2) |
| 20:59 |
mauvebic |
oh lol |
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Exio |
do i need to explain regexs now? |
| 21:00 |
mauvebic |
i learned perl regex, which dont be the same as what is used now |
| 21:00 |
mauvebic |
*dont seem |
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Doyousketch2 |
was looking into using some sort of regex solution for a language filter |
| 21:01 |
Exio |
mauvebic: mplayer(|2) |
| 21:01 |
Exio |
now? |
| 21:02 |
Hwkiller |
eek yeah, this minetest build is going to be painful on an atom |
| 21:02 |
mauvebic |
says syntax error |
| 21:02 |
Hwkiller |
oh well; i've compiled kernels on that poor thing |
| 21:02 |
mauvebic |
might have better luck with catalyst control |
| 21:03 |
Doyousketch2 |
it should build alright if you have a decent OS on the atom |
| 21:03 |
Hwkiller |
Doyousketch2: it'll build fine; it's the speed that will be depressing |
| 21:04 |
dachary |
how can I run the tests found at minetest/src/test.cpp ? |
| 21:04 |
Hwkiller |
going from compiling from an i5 to an atom = sad |
| 21:04 |
Doyousketch2 |
oh, lol. yeah I get the same slowdown when compiling on this old P4 sitting beside me |
| 21:05 |
Doyousketch2 |
I built it on there so my kid could play too |
| 21:06 |
mauvebic |
well im gonna try something out today: setting up a server on the netbook |
| 21:06 |
Doyousketch2 |
public? |
| 21:08 |
mauvebic |
yep |
| 21:09 |
GhostlyDeath |
What is with the floating apples? |
| 21:09 |
STHGOM |
when you cut down trees? |
| 21:10 |
GhostlyDeath |
yes |
| 21:11 |
STHGOM |
the wood is gone, the leaves decay and leave the apples |
| 21:12 |
GhostlyDeath |
Shouldn't the apples fall to the ground? |
| 21:13 |
STHGOM |
yes but in minetest thew made it that way, someone could make a mod for that |
| 21:13 |
STHGOM |
they* |
| 21:13 |
Hwkiller |
do trees grow back at all? |
| 21:13 |
mauvebic |
not on their own i think |
| 21:14 |
Hwkiller |
oh my |
| 21:14 |
Hwkiller |
I think my server is bugged... trees are growing insanely high |
| 21:14 |
mauvebic |
unless you write an abm to spawn more trees near trees, as forests often do |
| 21:14 |
mauvebic |
what kind of trees? |
| 21:14 |
Hwkiller |
they have flowers all over them |
| 21:14 |
mauvebic |
dont know that one |
| 21:15 |
Hwkiller |
actually, so is my papyrus |
| 21:15 |
Hwkiller |
something is wrong |
| 21:15 |
Hwkiller |
lemme get a screenshot |
| 21:15 |
mauvebic |
what kind of nature mods you got running? |
| 21:16 |
Hwkiller |
animals, bushes, farming, farmingp, flowers, food, irontrees, nature, vines |
| 21:16 |
Hwkiller |
I think many came from just a "nature" pack |
| 21:16 |
mauvebic |
could be a conflict between the various nature mods |
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| 21:17 |
Hwkiller |
well, I'm only running one "nature" mod; most of those came from the same place |
| 21:17 |
Hwkiller |
animals came from mobs; farming/farmingp are separate |
| 21:17 |
Hwkiller |
food is separate |
| 21:17 |
mauvebic |
youd have to look through each of the inits and see which ones do things to trees |
| 21:17 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
can ubuntu run windows stuff |
| 21:18 |
mauvebic |
with wine and a bit of luck |
| 21:19 |
Doyousketch2 |
you can run all windows stuff in a VirtualBox |
| 21:19 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
ok is there a way i could run windows with a live usb thingy |
| 21:20 |
mauvebic |
though with half the ram (or wherever you set the memory allocation) |
| 21:20 |
Doyousketch2 |
yeah, I'd recommend Debian Wheezy |
| 21:20 |
mauvebic |
why would you want to run windows stuff on a liveimage? |
| 21:20 |
mauvebic |
liveimages are already slower than local OS |
| 21:20 |
Hwkiller |
http://i.imgur.com/awoE9vX.png |
| 21:21 |
mauvebic |
yeah you need to remove whatever mod makes those things grow lol |
| 21:21 |
Hwkiller |
not sure wtf it'd be... |
| 21:21 |
mauvebic |
try nature first and fresh map |
| 21:22 |
mauvebic |
that happens btw when a mod grabs the top of a tree, and adds another of the same node, which causes feedback (adding on top of that, and again, and again) |
| 21:22 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
ok i decided on ubuntu |
| 21:22 |
Hwkiller |
here is the output of "grep -r tree ./*", where ./* is my mods directory |
| 21:22 |
Hwkiller |
http://pastie.org/private/msyshhuswtwxt4o4u5a1ra |
| 21:22 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i want to run from usb |
| 21:23 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
do i decrompress the stuff |
| 21:23 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
the iso file |
| 21:23 |
Doyousketch2 |
Ubuntu is just Debian Wheezy with a skin mod |
| 21:23 |
Hwkiller |
oh wait... "tree_growth.lua" ? |
| 21:23 |
mauvebic |
likely culprit: ./nature/init.lua:dofile(minetest.get_modpath("nature") .. "/tree_growth.lua") |
| 21:23 |
ShadowNinja |
jojoa1997|Tablet: no, you write it to a disk or flash drive |
| 21:24 |
ShadowNinja |
I would recomend unetbootin |
| 21:24 |
Hwkiller |
hm.. |
| 21:24 |
Exio |
lili in windows |
| 21:24 |
Exio |
on* |
| 21:24 |
Hwkiller |
well, I'm actually ok w/ the tree growth, even if they are ridiculously tall |
| 21:24 |
Hwkiller |
just means more wood |
| 21:24 |
Doyousketch2 |
yeah, UNetbootin |
| 21:24 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i am using ubuntu |
| 21:24 |
mauvebic |
yeah though its not intended behaviour :p |
| 21:24 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
what do you mean write |
| 21:24 |
Hwkiller |
lol no, there should be a max |
| 21:25 |
Hwkiller |
and papyrus growing to be the size of the sears tower is a little odd |
| 21:25 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
as in i just paste the iso on the usb? |
| 21:25 |
Hwkiller |
no |
| 21:25 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
the max for default is 4 |
| 21:25 |
Hwkiller |
you need to "burn" it to the usb |
| 21:25 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
?.? |
| 21:25 |
mauvebic |
just pasting the ISO wont make the disc/key bootable |
| 21:25 |
Hwkiller |
it does nothing bad to the usb |
| 21:25 |
Doyousketch2 |
http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/next+nonfree/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-wheezy-live-rc1-i386-gnome-desktop+nonfree.iso |
| 21:26 |
Hwkiller |
it's just that you need to copy the drive image to the drive; copying the encapsulated image does nothing |
| 21:26 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
i am downloading a file what do i do with that |
| 21:26 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
put it on the usb? |
| 21:26 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
or decompress and do something? |
| 21:26 |
mauvebic |
ubuntu should have clear instructions on how to make a bootable media |
| 21:26 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
or something different? |
| 21:26 |
Doyousketch2 |
you need UNetbootin to install the image to your USB |
| 21:26 |
Hwkiller |
or some other isoburner/recorder |
| 21:26 |
emptty |
jojoa1997|Tablet: what about asking google? It would point you to http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows |
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mauvebic |
lol taking forever for the ocean to fill the excavated areas - not looking forward to making natural looking seabed lol |
| 21:33 |
mauvebic |
thats one thing i wish the flat maps had: water at the same level as everything else |
| 21:34 |
mauvebic |
or maybe just a water flag for mgparams |
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| 21:36 |
Doyousketch2 |
trying to build a downloadable .iso of DebianCluster that includes minetest on it so people can Live boot supercomputers up in here |
| 21:36 |
Doyousketch2 |
might take a day or two to figure out, so I need more coffee in my brain. |
| 21:39 |
GhostlyDeath |
heh |
| 21:39 |
GhostlyDeath |
I was building a dirt staircase into the sky |
| 21:39 |
GhostlyDeath |
I accidently fell off and died |
| 21:39 |
GhostlyDeath |
I respawened, who knows where |
| 21:39 |
GhostlyDeath |
but I can see my small staircase far away in the distance |
| 21:40 |
khonkhortisan |
just run in circles, you'll see it |
| 21:40 |
Hwkiller |
is there a reason why in the "cart" mod, different types of rails won't fit together properly? |
| 21:40 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
is there an ubuntu download for minetest? |
| 21:40 |
Hwkiller |
like steel and copper rails don't merge unless they're already in the same direction |
| 21:42 |
Kacey |
that isnt in the carts mod |
| 21:42 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
whoever can compile minetest could someone make an android build and send me a download? |
| 21:42 |
Hwkiller |
Kacey: it isn't? |
| 21:43 |
Kacey |
copper rails come from moreores while the default rails come from default |
| 21:43 |
Hwkiller |
oh, ok |
| 21:43 |
Hwkiller |
does default have carts too? |
| 21:43 |
Hwkiller |
or... why do I have a carts mod... |
| 21:43 |
* dachary |
trying https://github.com/PilzAdam/farming |
| 21:45 |
Kacey |
default does not have carts |
| 21:45 |
Kacey |
(knowing PilzAdam though, the carts mod may end up in minetest_games) |
| 21:46 |
Hwkiller |
so... there are rails in efault, but no carts? |
| 21:46 |
Hwkiller |
why? |
| 21:46 |
Kacey |
idk |
| 21:48 |
Exio |
because the cars "were" decent enough since 0.4.4 ("a bit ago") and because they are laggy |
| 21:49 |
Hwkiller |
ah, that great feeling when you're digging from your house down and down... then finally discover a cave |
| 21:51 |
Kacey |
lol |
| 21:51 |
Kacey |
wait till you find a nyan cat |
| 21:51 |
GhostlyDeath |
I lit my tower heh |
| 21:51 |
Doyousketch2 |
jojoa, here's Calinou's one-line script to install on Linux Debian / Ubuntu / Mint - http://pastebin.com/Asp0mmSh |
| 21:52 |
Doyousketch2 |
as far as Android goes, I was looking into porting it, but the emscripten dev's said it would be hard to port because JavaScript doesn't like it when you include multiple libraries |
| 21:53 |
Doyousketch2 |
also, it would need to use WebSockets |
| 21:55 |
VanessaE |
damn it, isn't there some way to force a particular mod to load first, but without depending on it? |
| 21:55 |
sapier |
no |
| 21:55 |
sapier |
I had same problem |
| 21:55 |
sapier |
you could rename it ;-) |
| 21:56 |
VanessaE |
wouldn't help. alphabetically it already comes first anyway. |
| 21:56 |
VanessaE |
(I'm trying to use some moreblocks functions for stairs and saw within moretrees, but I would rather detect it than depend on it. |
| 21:57 |
sapier |
difficult to handle |
| 21:58 |
Doyousketch2 |
put a pause in the script to wait and see if it loads after the game is fully loaded? |
| 21:59 |
VanessaE |
mmh |
| 22:00 |
GhostlyDeath |
What's screenshot? |
| 22:00 |
Doyousketch2 |
that seems like a dumb way to do it, but maybe. can it detect something in the game to tell if it's running yet? |
| 22:01 |
VanessaE |
I can detect if moreblocks exists, or detect if it has been loaded alreadyu |
| 22:01 |
VanessaE |
-u |
| 22:01 |
VanessaE |
but I can't force it to load first. |
| 22:01 |
VanessaE |
except by depending on it in depends.txt |
| 22:02 |
Doyousketch2 |
right, but I mean wait for Irliccht to render screen, then check of moreblocks exists |
| 22:03 |
Doyousketch2 |
I figure if you wait till the screen is actually drawn, then morebocks may have loaded by then |
| 22:03 |
Doyousketch2 |
will it let you check that with a lua script tho? |
| 22:04 |
VanessaE |
dunno if there's a way to do that or not |
| 22:04 |
VanessaE |
probably not :-/ |
| 22:06 |
Doyousketch2 |
can you make it do stuff if moreblocks exists, but if moreblocks does not exist, it tries again in a minute to see if it exists again? |
| 22:06 |
VanessaE |
won't work here, as this is being done during init of the mod. |
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| 22:06 |
sokomine |
we need a "mod xyz loaded successfully" so that other mods could do their stuff afterwards. that would be very helpful |
| 22:06 |
VanessaE |
I need to check for the presence of moreblocks, and if found, force it to load first so I can call some functions therein to register stairs et.al |
| 22:07 |
sokomine |
yes, i know that, except that it's moretrees in my case |
| 22:08 |
sokomine |
what do c,d and p stand for in the public server list? |
| 22:08 |
VanessaE |
no idea |
| 22:08 |
sokomine |
and sometimes there's a * as well |
| 22:08 |
Jordach |
<Jordach> finally, wine1.5 finally allows me to play SimCity2000 correctly |
| 22:09 |
sokomine |
:-) congratulations |
| 22:09 |
sokomine |
that was a good game. one of the few i bought |
| 22:09 |
sokomine |
(for full price at least) |
| 22:09 |
sapier |
difficulty with mod successfully loaded is it won't fix cyclic dependencys |
| 22:09 |
sokomine |
vanessa: yours is *CDP |
| 22:10 |
VanessaE |
maybe creative, damage, public? |
| 22:10 |
sokomine |
hmm |
| 22:10 |
sokomine |
might be |
| 22:10 |
sokomine |
especially the c sounds convincing. d might be as well...after all that's a server option? |
| 22:15 |
sapier |
maybe adding some sort of "optional dependency" would be an option ... minetest uses those information to preload optional mods but won't stop if an optional one is missing |
| 22:16 |
VanessaE |
sapier: the idea has been discussed but no one's committed to developing the feature. |
| 22:16 |
VanessaE |
fuck it, I'll just depend on moreblocks for now. |
| 22:16 |
sapier |
lol ... I assume this has something to do with how spread mod loading and dependency is |
| 22:17 |
* VanessaE |
shrugs |
| 22:17 |
sapier |
i don't even know what mountains of code I would have to change in order to get this feature added |
| 22:18 |
Kacey |
sokomine, did you ever finish that "villiage" or whatever mod? |
| 22:19 |
sapier |
can someone explain new damage handling system to me? |
| 22:22 |
sokomine |
kacey: there's been some progress on it, but to call it finished will require much more work. the next step will be to make the village-chests and test the "griefing" tool (a tool which allows you to change blocks of those houses) |
| 22:22 |
sokomine |
what you can do is build houses in a towntest-like manner |
| 22:22 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
who plays spore |
| 22:22 |
sokomine |
it took some time to get enough ready to call it a village, but that's done now |
| 22:23 |
sokomine |
some of the trouble i have is the one we talked about here....for parts of the mod, some other mods have to be loaded first |
| 22:24 |
Kacey |
!up 67.190.14.129 |
| 22:24 |
MinetestBot |
67.190.14.129:30000 is up (0.317ms) |
| 22:24 |
sokomine |
i'm considering building another type of "farm" that's more beginning-of-medieval-times and a single farm with a fence around and all that it needs...a farm that could spawn independently |
| 22:24 |
Kacey |
join that server and play with animals |
| 22:24 |
GhostlyDeath |
How long does it take for sapling to grow? |
| 22:24 |
GhostlyDeath |
and can they grow on glass? |
| 22:25 |
jojoa1997|Tablet |
who plays The Battle For Wesnoth? |
| 22:25 |
sokomine |
kacey: which type of animals? and: did you try my mod? |
| 22:25 |
Kacey |
no |
| 22:25 |
Kacey |
MOBF |
| 22:25 |
Doyousketch2 |
kinda random for saplings, 30 secs to 3 mins, yes on glass so long as there's light nearby. glowglass works well underground |
| 22:25 |
sokomine |
ghostly: i suspect they can grow anywhere. i failed to place a sapling and stopping it from growing |
| 22:26 |
sapier |
kacey what version? |
| 22:26 |
sokomine |
kacey: only "friendly" ones or aggressive ones as well? |
| 22:26 |
Kacey |
just downloaded |
| 22:26 |
Exio |
Doyousketch2: iirc the saplings can't grow in any block anymore |
| 22:26 |
sapier |
2.0.80? brave :-) |
| 22:26 |
Kacey |
agro ones won't spawn |
| 22:26 |
GhostlyDeath |
I made a glass swimming pool in the sky eye |
| 22:26 |
sapier |
plz report bugs |
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Doyousketch2 |
oh, did they change it? I've got an apple orchard growing underground that will need to be rebuilt then |
| 22:27 |
sokomine |
the saplings didn't replace anything. a sapling sourrounded by cobble turned into 1 tree :-( |
| 22:27 |
sokomine |
that was while i was trying to display a sapling at the crafting school at redcrabs server |
| 22:28 |
sokomine |
hm. we might join that server with the animals and experiment a bit with it. i've run them very successfully in singleplayer (at least the peaceful ones) but got the impression that trouble starts if there's more than one player |
| 22:29 |
Doyousketch2 |
I was chatting with VanessaE not too long ago about her moretrees mod, and those require dirt_with_grass to grow on. |
| 22:30 |
Hwkiller |
crap; does the base game now offer copper as an ore? |
| 22:30 |
sokomine |
moretrees are a bt diffrent there |
| 22:30 |
Hwkiller |
I just noticed that with moreores, I have two types of copper |
| 22:30 |
sokomine |
yes it does |
| 22:30 |
Hwkiller |
damn |
| 22:30 |
Hwkiller |
is moreores even necessary now? |
| 22:30 |
sokomine |
also gold. leads to ores beeing there in two kinds when you have moreores installed (which most servers have) |
| 22:31 |
sokomine |
some receipes may require moreores |
| 22:31 |
Exio |
did calinou updated moreores to work with the "lastest"? he should |
| 22:31 |
Doyousketch2 |
lols. if I recall right, think they put diamonds in the latest build too. |
| 22:32 |
Hwkiller |
is tin in there? and can you make bronze with it? |
| 22:32 |
Exio |
yep, diamonds |
| 22:33 |
Kacey |
found a bug sapier |
| 22:33 |
Exio |
btw sapier, do you use the new path finding in mobf? |
| 22:33 |
sapier |
no |
| 22:34 |
sapier |
wont be added until 2.2 |
| 22:34 |
sapier |
at least for time being |
| 22:35 |
Kacey |
when you put down a chick it flies into the sky |
| 22:35 |
sapier |
sounds like a client server sync problem |
| 22:35 |
Kacey |
how do i work a barn? |
| 22:35 |
sokomine |
happens sometimes. fish tend to shoot up in the sky if there's not enough time for them noticing they're no longer in water |
| 22:36 |
sokomine |
craft the barn and place it near animals |
| 22:36 |
sokomine |
put leaves in |
| 22:37 |
sapier |
i need to find a way to use pathfinding without killing performance as this will have an impact ;-) |
| 22:37 |
Doyousketch2 |
I'd really like to put in a language filter for Minetest. |
| 22:38 |
Kacey |
leaves? |
| 22:38 |
sapier |
the only eatable thing available within default ;-) |
| 22:39 |
Kacey |
theres grass now |
| 22:39 |
sapier |
in default? |
| 22:39 |
Doyousketch2 |
Motivated by the fact that I have an 8-yr old that I'd rather not read profanity while playing |
| 22:39 |
Kacey |
yep |
| 22:39 |
Kacey |
howdo i put leaves in? |
| 22:40 |
sapier |
just punch ... not quite sure if right or left .. try both ;-) |
| 22:40 |
Doyousketch2 |
I cuss enough. wish they made one for me too :P |
| 22:41 |
sokomine |
a language filter? what for? |
| 22:41 |
sokomine |
ah, ok |
| 22:41 |
sapier |
I don't think there's a way to do this in pure lua atm |
| 22:41 |
Kacey |
sokomine, you keep timing out really fast |
| 22:41 |
Doyousketch2 |
yeah, keep the swear words down. I use 'em as filler words all the time |
| 22:42 |
sokomine |
i'm not very convinced of language filters because people tend to avoid them; for small children, that might be diffrent |
| 22:42 |
Doyousketch2 |
am terribly dyslexic, words aren't my thing |
| 22:42 |
sokomine |
kacey: yes, havn't connected successfully yet |
| 22:43 |
VanessaE |
ok, an alias is supposed to work both ways, right? |
| 22:43 |
sokomine |
client.cpp:1716: void Client::ProcessData(irr::u8*, irr::u32, irr::u16): Assertion '!m_mesh_update_thread.IsRunning()' failed. |
| 22:44 |
sokomine |
...while trying to connect to the server |
| 22:44 |
sokomine |
vanessa: hmm. in theory? might be too optimistc |
| 22:44 |
VanessaE |
i.e. if I do: minetest.register_alias("moretrees:beech_planks", "default:wood") then something that wants default:wood should work with moretrees:beech_planks, and vice versa, right? |
| 22:44 |
Doyousketch2 |
no, I doubt it. think aliases work one-way |
| 22:45 |
VanessaE |
damn it. |
| 22:45 |
sapier |
:-) too much load seams some threads don't come up as soon as necessaey ... design flaw |
| 22:45 |
sapier |
either in mod or core ;-) |
| 22:47 |
Doyousketch2 |
so I downloaded this ClusterDebian iso and found out it has NOTHING on it at all. no X, no Gnome. it boots to terminal. |
| 22:47 |
sapier |
it doesn't need anything if its a cluster node |
| 22:48 |
Doyousketch2 |
so I'm installing a recent version of Debian to a VirtualBox and building a fresh cluster from there |
| 22:48 |
sokomine |
kacey: no chance to connect to your server. i always get this bug |
| 22:48 |
Doyousketch2 |
nah, it's supposed to be the main machine |
| 22:48 |
sapier |
a cluster node does have only one purpose numbercrunching |
| 22:48 |
sokomine |
sapier: maybe you might try conneting? |
| 22:48 |
Doyousketch2 |
right, the nodes are supposed to log into it, but they didn't include any packages |
| 22:49 |
Kacey |
crashed the server |
| 22:49 |
Doyousketch2 |
it's ok, just takes longer than expected |
| 22:50 |
Kacey |
back up |
| 22:50 |
sapier |
mobf crash? |
| 22:50 |
Doyousketch2 |
want to make a cluster to numbercrunch my minetest builds |
| 22:51 |
sapier |
lol ... sorry but minetest isn't by any means big enough to gain any benefit of a cluster ... network latency is fare more important than any compile time |
| 22:51 |
Doyousketch2 |
and if it works well, upload it so others can try using it as a minetest server |
| 22:51 |
Kacey |
yep it was a mobf crash |
| 22:51 |
VanessaE |
oh I see what went wrong with the alias. |
| 22:52 |
VanessaE |
18:50:35: INFO[main]: WARNING: Not registering alias, item with same name is already defined: moretrees:beech_planks -> default:wood |
| 22:52 |
VanessaE |
well no shit, sherlock. |
| 22:52 |
Doyousketch2 |
you say that, but I tweak a line then have to recompile and try it. you do that 2 doz times a day and you'll understand why |
| 22:53 |
sapier |
just have a try .... imho you most likely wont get it compiled any faster if distributing to cluster |
| 22:54 |
Doyousketch2 |
I've got 2 desktops and a laptop sitting in my room, plus I can tap into 3 more PC's downstairs. I'm sure it'll compile quicker |
| 22:54 |
sapier |
I could connect Kacey |
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sapier |
quite laggy |
| 22:55 |
Kacey |
a little |
| 22:56 |
sapier |
flat world ... i see |
| 22:57 |
Kacey |
lol |
| 22:57 |
sapier |
ahhh thats mobf stable |
| 22:58 |
RealBadAngel |
so, anybody else have tried to use system wide luajit? |
| 22:58 |
Doyousketch2 |
got too much coffee in me. feeling jittery :/ |
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sapier |
mobf stable is not compatible to 0.4.6 (at least for fighting) |
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Doyousketch2 |
system wide? think I installed luajit that way |
| 22:59 |
RealBadAngel |
https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest |
| 23:00 |
RealBadAngel |
can you try build and use it? |
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jordan4ibanez |
So we can make shaders now? |
| 23:01 |
Doyousketch2 |
was checking package manager to see if LuaJit was in there. don't see it. do you know the package name? |
| 23:01 |
RealBadAngel |
by now i know it worked for 3 folks, i need feedback |
| 23:01 |
Doyousketch2 |
I'll check it if you can help me find the right package name, or do I need to build it from source? |
| 23:01 |
RealBadAngel |
Doyousketch2, you can easily install it from sources |
| 23:01 |
RealBadAngel |
http://luajit.org/download/LuaJIT-2.0.1.tar.gz |
| 23:01 |
GhostlyDeath |
I had much junk blocks |
| 23:01 |
GhostlyDeath |
went 600 high |
| 23:02 |
GhostlyDeath |
newbie towers |
| 23:02 |
RealBadAngel |
unpack, cd /src , make, make install |
| 23:02 |
bas080 |
Hey, what mod allows for ingame gamemode switching |
| 23:02 |
GhostlyDeath |
Now to jump off and die |
| 23:02 |
bas080 |
I can't seem to find it. |
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sapier |
too much lag |
| 23:06 |
bas080 |
Would that cause t much lag? |
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sapier |
I assume it's my inet connection |
| 23:07 |
sapier |
i was talking about kaceys server ;-) |
| 23:07 |
Doyousketch2 |
do I need to do a special cmake to enable LuaJIT? |
| 23:07 |
bas080 |
facepalm |
| 23:08 |
telek |
Try having a 10+ block firestorm going on see how much lag you get :D |
| 23:08 |
khonkhortisan |
You have to do special stuff to enable luajit. |
| 23:08 |
sapier |
jordan4ibanez if you add shaders plz think about irrlicht is unable to unload any shader |
| 23:08 |
khonkhortisan |
You have to compile, delete bin/*, remove an escape from a file, compile luajit separately, copy the library, then relink minetest |
| 23:09 |
khonkhortisan |
but removing the escape comes first |
| 23:09 |
Doyousketch2 |
oh wait, what? is there a forum link that explains the process? |
| 23:09 |
RealBadAngel |
https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest |
| 23:09 |
RealBadAngel |
build from this sources |
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| 23:10 |
Exio |
khonkhortisan: it is for testing rba's patches what do that stuff in a easy way |
| 23:10 |
Exio |
and just compiling with make |
| 23:10 |
RealBadAngel |
no switches necesary, it will autodetect luajit installed |
| 23:10 |
Doyousketch2 |
right, thats what I did. ok, cool. it's building |
| 23:10 |
Doyousketch2 |
it's slow, 'cuz I'm installing Debian in a VirtualBox too |
| 23:11 |
RealBadAngel |
you should see mesages about it at the very start |
| 23:11 |
RealBadAngel |
about found or not found |
| 23:12 |
RealBadAngel |
like so: |
| 23:12 |
RealBadAngel |
-- LuaJIT library: /usr/local/lib/libluajit-5.1.so |
| 23:12 |
RealBadAngel |
-- LuaJIT headers: /usr/local/include/luajit-2.0 |
| 23:12 |
RealBadAngel |
-- LuaJIT found. |
| 23:13 |
Doyousketch2 |
so far it's doing ok. if it helps with feedback here's the cmake output - http://pastebin.com/6gKwzbZb |
| 23:13 |
khonkhortisan |
I don't see a luajit rpm for suse |
| 23:13 |
telek |
How integrated is minetest to irrlicht? |
| 23:13 |
telek |
IE could we do a fork to replace the majority of the irrlicht logic with ogre or openscenegraph or something? |
| 23:13 |
RealBadAngel |
khonkhortisan, compile it, its damn easy |
| 23:13 |
khonkhortisan |
I did, but now I find out I can install it instead of copy it |
| 23:14 |
Exio |
telek: "very" i'd say |
| 23:14 |
Doyousketch2 |
dunno, had an error with TTfont |
| 23:14 |
telek |
Actually for that matter: Could we decouple minetestserver from irrlicht for purposes of running it on even lower specced hardware? |
| 23:14 |
Exio |
you don't even need irrlicht for the server |
| 23:14 |
khonkhortisan |
the server uses it? |
| 23:14 |
Exio |
nope |
| 23:14 |
sokomine |
sdzen has a great texture for what looks like sandstonebricks on his server. hope he adds that soon to some common mod. either to default or moreblocks |
| 23:14 |
sokomine |
i'd like to build with that on a building server! |
| 23:14 |
RealBadAngel |
Doyousketch2, font error? this is not related to luajit |
| 23:15 |
khonkhortisan |
Do 4 sand -> 1 sandstone -> 1 sand still? |
| 23:15 |
Doyousketch2 |
http://pastebin.com/eWLrbsa1 |
| 23:15 |
RealBadAngel |
virtual memory exhausted: Cannot allocate memory |
| 23:15 |
Doyousketch2 |
right, I think I shouldn't use the extra text switch. but you wanted feedback, so that may help |
| 23:15 |
RealBadAngel |
your machine run out of ram :) |
| 23:16 |
sokomine |
yes, that receipe exists |
| 23:16 |
sokomine |
but i want that texture. it looks very friendly and good |
| 23:16 |
Doyousketch2 |
oh, yeah, as I say VirtualBox is eating it up. |
| 23:16 |
Doyousketch2 |
can try on laptop instead. just a min |
| 23:17 |
RealBadAngel |
Doyousketch2, i can see mt found luajit in your case and is using it |
| 23:17 |
Kacey |
still not able to connect to the freaking server |
| 23:18 |
GhostlyDeath |
mauvebic: I found a whole bunch of mese |
| 23:18 |
GhostlyDeath |
at depth -270 |
| 23:18 |
GhostlyDeath |
I mined maybe 20 square already |
| 23:18 |
GhostlyDeath |
with 1 diamond square too |
| 23:18 |
Kacey |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_1.0 come a long way since then |
| 23:19 |
GhostlyDeath |
actually, there is gold and mese |
| 23:20 |
GhostlyDeath |
found 13 mese crystals and 22 shard of gold so far in this one area |
| 23:23 |
GhostlyDeath |
it's like everywhere I dig, there is mese |
| 23:23 |
RealBadAngel |
hallelujah! ;) |
| 23:24 |
Doyousketch2 |
oh my Lord, Synaptic is stupid sometimes |
| 23:24 |
Doyousketch2 |
to install Xchat on this thing, it thinks it needs to update Gnome. ok. fine |
| 23:25 |
khonkhortisan |
I never know whether to merge my own pull request or to let other people see it first |
| 23:25 |
Doyousketch2 |
but then it cries about GTK being installed, which it doesn't do untill it has gotten past the part where it depends upon it |
| 23:25 |
GhostlyDeath |
5 mese crystals adjacent to each other |
| 23:26 |
GhostlyDeath |
Doyousketch2: Do not install recommended |
| 23:26 |
GhostlyDeath |
found 5 diamonds so far |
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Doyousketch2 |
it's like |
| 23:28 |
Sketch2 |
k, thought it would show ur text in here from back a few |
| 23:28 |
Sketch2 |
1 sec, need to copy download links |
| 23:29 |
GhostlyDeath |
17 adjacent blocks of diamonds! |
| 23:29 |
Doyousketch2 |
https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest & http://luajit.org/download/LuaJIT-2.0.1.tar.gz |
| 23:32 |
Kacey |
GhostlyDeath, are you on a server? |
| 23:34 |
Sketch2 |
dunno if I ever downloaded the dependancies to this thing |
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| 23:37 |
Kacey |
http://ifunny.mobi/#B6xsPNLd |
| 23:38 |
Doyousketch2 |
aparently not. disregard link - http://pastebin.com/Asp0mmSh |
| 23:39 |
NakedFury |
KAcey that would be a good treadmill |
| 23:40 |
GhostlyDeath |
Kacey: No |
| 23:40 |
GhostlyDeath |
well |
| 23:40 |
GhostlyDeath |
I am on my own private server |
| 23:40 |
GhostlyDeath |
private server |
| 23:40 |
Kacey |
you should forward the port so i can hop on |
| 23:40 |
GhostlyDeath |
I found a cave lined with mesa crystals and diamonds heh |
| 23:41 |
Doyousketch2 |
lols. I'd set a pet on the treadmill with a bowl of snacks in front of it |
| 23:42 |
GhostlyDeath |
https://sites.google.com/site/kaptinkurk/minetest-mesamine.png |
| 23:43 |
Doyousketch2 |
or build a frame and set my bike on it |
| 23:43 |
GhostlyDeath |
there's more below me out of sight |
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| 23:44 |
Doyousketch2 |
man I hate computers |
| 23:44 |
NotReallyNick |
WHy is that? |
| 23:44 |
Exio |
eat them |
| 23:44 |
GhostlyDeath |
I got 76 crystals in this hunt so far |
| 23:44 |
Hwkiller |
I found a plethora of mine entries, but it's far away from my 'home'. I made a gigantic tower at my home so I can identify it from afar, and I'm basically making that the starting point to a roller coaster that leads to the mine entries |
| 23:44 |
Hwkiller |
awesome |
| 23:45 |
Doyousketch2 |
oh, I'm guessing this things installing Debian on a VirtualBox, but it's been sitting here for an hour without any notification if it's actually doing anything |
| 23:45 |
Doyousketch2 |
for all I know, it's just sitting on a blank screen |
| 23:45 |
Doyousketch2 |
has a nice pretty Debian logo on it if that makes any difference |
| 23:46 |
GhostlyDeath |
I just dug a 1 tunnel thing under a canyon |
| 23:46 |
GhostlyDeath |
which was under water |
| 23:46 |
GhostlyDeath |
then just kept digging |
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GhostlyDeath |
then I saw a mesa block |
| 23:46 |
GhostlyDeath |
well crystal block |
| 23:46 |
GhostlyDeath |
then I started exploring |
| 23:46 |
Exio |
haha, more than 2 seconds to render a frame |
| 23:46 |
Hwkiller |
I've yet to see a mesa block |
| 23:46 |
GhostlyDeath |
then I eventually found this cave full of the stuff |
| 23:47 |
khonkhortisan |
2spf |
| 23:47 |
Hwkiller |
i've seen the crystal |
| 23:47 |
GhostlyDeath |
diamonds, copper, gold, coal |
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Sketch2 |
k, got dependencies. cmake output for RBA - http://pastebin.com/fTukFgZc |
| 23:50 |
mauvebic |
jesus holy st-mary, xfce4-panel was gobbling up 1.5 gigs of ram lol |
| 23:50 |
telek |
Apparently somebody forgot their valgrind run during regression testing :D |
| 23:50 |
mauvebic |
i think ill install awn lol |
| 23:51 |
GhostlyDeath |
steel axe is not enough |
| 23:51 |
Exio |
telek: wut? :P |
| 23:51 |
Sketch2 |
xfce is supposed to be small? you have a broken widget in there with a mem leak? |
| 23:52 |
GhostlyDeath |
on a seconnd stack of mesa |
| 23:52 |
mauvebic |
thats the thing, i only had the taskbar and tray lol |
| 23:52 |
Kacey |
mese* |
| 23:52 |
mauvebic |
i know the weather applet can be a drag, thats why i dont use it |
| 23:52 |
telek |
Exio: Mauvebic's xfce4-panel memory usage. |
| 23:53 |
Exio |
ah |
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* telek |
doesn't even run DEs on linux unless it's a shared computer. |
| 23:53 |
* Kacey |
is going to play some legit build for a while. anyone want to join? |
| 23:53 |
mauvebic |
jesus its been a long time since i swapped out a panel for an applet, cant remember where the config is for that lol |
| 23:53 |
Exio |
telek: what WM? :P |
| 23:54 |
GhostlyDeath |
I need ot backtrack to the cave |
| 23:54 |
telek |
Exio: WindowMaker. |
| 23:54 |
GhostlyDeath |
i've traveled 50 blocks away |
| 23:54 |
GhostlyDeath |
I use WindowMaker |
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| 23:55 |
mauvebic |
if use one of the *box's if the visual style didn't make me want to retch |
| 23:55 |
mauvebic |
*id use |
| 23:55 |
Exio |
the visual style of the WMs is in how you configure them |
| 23:57 |
octobot |
\qzM ;0 |
| 23:57 |
octobot |
j9hfyubvr |
| 23:57 |
octobot |
\fuje |
| 23:57 |
octobot |
blegh |
| 23:58 |
Exio |
what the heck? |
| 23:58 |
telek |
Windowmaker only has basic WinXX color theming. But it's low resources, well tested, and has a build in run command (which honestly was the biggest hobble with old WMs back in the day. |
| 23:58 |
GhostlyDeath |
telek: Which version you use? |
| 23:59 |
GhostlyDeath |
Yknow WM was revived correct? |
| 23:59 |
Exio |
i prefer for a "working" system a twm |
