IRC log for #minetest, 2013-03-22

Time	Nick	Message
00:00	jojoa1997_Tablet	what is it called
00:01	jojoa1997_Tablet	i think someone should code for all the letters so we could have better moding
00:01	jojoa1997_Tablet	where is the code so i can try to do it
00:01	jin_xi	jojoa1997_Tablet: learn to use search tools such as grep or ack
00:01	Exio	http://github.com/minetest/minetest/
00:01	jin_xi	so you can find relevant code faster
00:01	Exio	he uses windows
00:02	jin_xi	oh
00:02	jin_xi	well, idk then
00:04	jojoa1997_Tablet	Could someone point me to the key bindings
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00:04	Kacey	why is my infinite lava source failing?
00:04	jojoa1997_Tablet	It is a feature pilzadam added
00:04	Exio	Kacey: lava source?
00:04	lamefun	uhm
00:05	Exio	i see non renewable stuff good for a survival gameplay
00:05	lamefun	With C++ API instead Lua, would modding die?
00:05	kaeza	Kacey, default/init.lua change liquid_renewable = true in default:lava_source
00:05	Exio	lamefun: nope
00:05	lamefun	Is it worth to try to implement?
00:05	Kacey	im on Menches server
00:05	jojoa1997_Tablet	Only faster iirc
00:05	kaeza	lamefun, maybe
00:05	lamefun	I want virtual machines CPU emulator computerblock mod.
00:06	kaeza	lamefun, the thing is that Lua will still exist (because it's easier to create a mod in Lua than in C++)
00:06	kaeza	so you will have to use Lua anyway
00:07	Exio	"how to add a new ore in lua", "put 10 lines in a file" "run"
00:07	PilzAdam	and its easier to publish a mod in Lua
00:07	lamefun	I think C++ API can be very easy too, if it's doxygenified and well-documented and simple.
00:07	Exio	"how to add a new ore in C++" "put 50 lines in a file" "compile it" "do something for having it in the engine" "run"
00:08	kaeza	lamefun, if you are interested in a pseudo-C++ modding, you can create a bootstrap init.lua that loads an external library (written in C/C++) and do the hard work
00:08	Exio	kaeza is an expert of that
00:08	Exio	cough ircmod cough^
00:08	Exio	:P
00:08	kaeza	Exio, irc mod is 99% Lua 1% C :P
00:09	jojoa1997_Tablet	Guysa
00:09	jojoa1997_Tablet	Should there be a crafting book in defaulr
00:09	jojoa1997_Tablet	A book that is a too
00:09	kaeza	but anyway, you understand lamefun
00:09	jojoa1997_Tablet	Tool
00:09	PilzAdam	no
00:09	jojoa1997_Tablet	Why not?
00:10	PilzAdam	it makes things too easy
00:10	jojoa1997_Tablet	nonono
00:10	jojoa1997_Tablet	i mean a crafting guide so people can know how to craft things
00:10	jojoa1997_Tablet	it would also work with mods
00:11	kaeza	jojoa1997_Tablet, change craft_guide into a tool format and enjoy
00:11	jojoa1997_Tablet	it is for beginer players
00:11	jojoa1997_Tablet	no i did
00:11	Exio	so?
00:11	jojoa1997_Tablet	but should it be added to default
00:11	Exio	minetest_game will not have every mod what is in the forum
00:11	jojoa1997_Tablet	i know but this is more than new blocks
00:11	Exio	minetest_game will NOT have every mod what is in the forum
00:11	Exio	:D
00:12	jojoa1997_Tablet	i know
00:12	PilzAdam	Exio, can you send me a copy of you as a bot that says exactly this when someon suggests something?
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00:13	jojoa1997_Tablet	CAN YOU not ADD A CRAFT GUIDE MOD TO MINETEST_GAME
00:13	Exio	PilzAdam: of course!
00:13	jojoa1997_Tablet	please
00:13	Exio	:P
00:13	jojoa1997_Tablet	:x
00:14	jojoa1997_Tablet	please do my request
00:14	Exio	i has other request, stop doing requests, can my request by done without other requests? thanks
00:14	PilzAdam	Exio, Ill just ping you next time I need this statement
00:14	jojoa1997_Tablet	exio
00:14	jojoa1997_Tablet	CAN YOU not ADD A CRAFT GUIDE MOD TO MINETEST_GAME
00:15	jojoa1997_Tablet	look at the only non caps part
00:16	lamefun	What about replacing Lua with JavaScript?
00:16	Exio	wtf
00:16	PilzAdam	what about breaking every mod out there?
00:16	* jojoa1997_Tablet	blows up lamefun
00:16	lamefun	JavaScript is the programming language of the future, the programming language for people, the official programming language of the planet Earth, supported by Google, Microsoft and Apple, and has lots of very fast JIT intepreters.
00:17	jin_xi	lua is just as nice
00:17	lamefun	We can't rely on LuaJIT, it's one-man project (correct me if I am wrong).
00:17	PilzAdam	"supported by Google, Microsoft and Apple,"
00:17	PilzAdam	says it all....
00:17	jin_xi	js is nice too
00:17	VanessaE	fuck js.
00:17	Exio	js is nice, but i don't think replacing lua would be ok
00:18	Exio	if you want to code a way to have js and lua without 10000000 lines of code for everything in the api
00:18	Exio	i will try it
00:18	jin_xi	guile is adding lua too, might be an option some day
00:18	* jin_xi	muses
00:18	Exio	guile? scheme? :D
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00:19	lamefun	why not replacing Lua? JavaScript is what's for people.
00:19	NekoGloop	because java is bad
00:19	Exio	java != javascript
00:19	PilzAdam	javascript is worse than Lua
00:19	lamefun	Windows 8 has it as the recommended programming language, so do GNOME 3 and KDE 5 will
00:19	lamefun	But it's what's for people
00:19	lamefun	And its JIT is maintained by big corporations instead of just one man.
00:20	lamefun	So we can rely on it.
00:20	VanessaE	forget it, lamefun.
00:20	VanessaE	it ain't gonna happen in MT.
00:20	PilzAdam	Minetest was mostly written by one person
00:20	PilzAdam	we cant rely on it
00:20	PilzAdam	delete it!
00:20	NekoGloop	You?
00:20	Exio	linux started in someway like that
00:22	tripod	java still have security flaws for the last 5 years or so
00:22	Kacey	what is LuaJIT anyway?
00:22	lamefun	Minetest isn't something that needs advanced computer science degrees, JIT is.
00:22	Exio	lamefun: are you saying in someway MT is a simple program?
00:22	Exio	or i just can't understand what you are saying
00:22	jin_xi	Kacey: its an alternative lua implementation that uses just in time compilation for optimisation
00:23	PilzAdam	LuaJIT is from 0 to 10 times faster in Minetest mods
00:23	lamefun	Compared to JIT, yes. It may contain lots of code, but it doesn't need advanced computer science degrees to understand.
00:23	Exio	ok
00:24	tripod	well fork MT lamefun
00:24	tripod	too ez
00:24	tripod	amirite
00:24	lamefun	So there's more chance of Minetest being picked up if it's abandoned than of a JIT compiler.
00:26	Exio	lamefun: idea, fork minetest, replace lua with javascript, and so
00:27	Exio	when it starts working perfectly, and you have default ported to it
00:27	Exio	s/default/minetest_game/
00:27	Exio	then your reviews will be take as something
00:27	VanessaE	then you can start porting the other 250-some mods.
00:27	jin_xi	no need
00:27	jin_xi	they will quickly be replaced im sure
00:29	jin_xi	but then, why stop there... make formspecs webviews.
00:29	PilzAdam	VanessaE, can you please start an important discussion?
00:29	VanessaE	why?
00:29	PilzAdam	I wanna leave
00:30	VanessaE	this is #minetest, we don't discuss anything important here :-)
00:30	PilzAdam	bye
00:30	VanessaE	besides, you want RealBadAngel, not me :)
00:32	Exio	jin_xi: hahahahaha
00:32	Exio	port webkit to minetest!
00:33	lamefun	or port Minetest to HTML5
00:33	VanessaE	noooooooo
00:33	VanessaE	/kick lamefun
00:33	lamefun	HTML5 is the future, for people!
00:34	VanessaE	in MY day we wrote stuff in fucking ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE.
00:34	VanessaE	not a fucking MARKUP language.
00:34	lamefun	Assembly is good, but will be banned.
00:34	VanessaE	wtf?
00:34	tripod	o.O you know asm too
00:34	Exio	got it
00:34	tripod	i dont know many people in AU who know asm
00:35	VanessaE	tripod: just old 8-bit assembly, 6502 tuff.
00:35	VanessaE	stuff*
00:35	lamefun	Today it's only used by big corporations that write compilers and interpreters and by hackers and criminals. There's no need for it to be public knowledge now.
00:35	tripod	VanessaE: ahh i was talking about x86 asm
00:35	VanessaE	oh please.
00:35	VanessaE	stop reading 1984.
00:35	tripod	wow this guy is serious
00:35	VanessaE	tripod: same difference, just a different architecture.
00:35	tripod	oh nice
00:35	tripod	VanessaE: you know Forth demension by chance/
00:35	tripod	?
00:35	VanessaE	nope.
00:35	tripod	dang
00:36	Exio	can anyone help me with something?
00:36	* tripod	looking for love in wrong places
00:36	VanessaE	I coul dsing you some FIFTH Dimension though :D
00:36	Exio	i need to kill someone
00:36	tripod	man
00:36	tripod	my bad
00:36	tripod	not forth..
00:36	VanessaE	Exio: fire up Open Arena :D
00:36	Exio	s/Open Arena/Redeclipse/ :3
00:36	tripod	warsow/nexuiz/xonotic
00:36	tripod	urt
00:36	Exio	hey sfan5
00:37	Exio	xonotic yes
00:37	tripod	i dislike xonotic :(
00:37	kaeza	assaultcube :3
00:37	Exio	why tripod?
00:37	tripod	ac is pretty boss
00:37	Exio	kaeza: pls
00:37	Exio	since when you play it
00:37	tripod	Exio: map flow/item placements/too many weapons and shitty physics/balance :P
00:37	tripod	but i am an elitist cpm player.
00:37	kaeza	since I pwned you the other day
00:37	lamefun	The same is going to happen to C and C++ one day.
00:37	tripod	so bias from the get go
00:37	VanessaE	Exio: either way, go frag some bots, get your frustrations out.
00:37	VanessaE	lamefun: no, it won't.
00:37	* sfan5	is finally back from Italy
00:37	tripod	C/C++ is standard
00:38	VanessaE	sfan5: welcome back
00:38	tripod	until something as modular and as awesome comes out
00:38	VanessaE	if "the powers that be" couldn't kill C after, what, 30 years now? they never will
00:38	VanessaE	shit, over 40 years now
00:38	lamefun	x86/ARM assembler not standard?
00:38	VanessaE	1969.
00:39	Exio	tripod: the thing what i like from RE is the thing of walking in the walls with a smg and suddenly jumping changing to the shotgun and plaf!
00:39	tripod	RE is cool
00:39	tripod	just not fast enough for me
00:39	tripod	i do enjoy it
00:39	Exio	gamespeed 125
00:39	tripod	but often enough major changes happen all the time with weapons on the svn
00:39	tripod	so im constantly going wtf
00:39	sfan5	VanessaE: thanks
00:39	Exio	wait
00:40	Exio	sfan5: italy?
00:40	Exio	do you speak italian?
00:40	sfan5	no
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00:40	sfan5	8)
00:40	tripod	i speak some italian
00:40	Exio	aww, i started the italian classes today :P
00:40	VanessaE	lamefun: there's a fair chance that the x86 architecture will become obsolete some day, but you'll never get rid of all the hackers and coders out there.
00:40	tripod	like
00:40	tripod	spagetti
00:40	Exio	XD
00:40	tripod	<-- australian
00:40	VanessaE	We control the rasters. We control the scroll bars. We are legion. or something.
00:40	Exio	<- argentinean
00:41	Exio	:D
00:41	lamefun	People are born with dead souls, then the souls are brough alive by locked-up education and then if you commit thoughtcrime, then your soul dies again.
00:41	VanessaE	sfan5: what brought you to italy (and don't mention a form of transportation either ;-) )
00:41	tripod	the fuck
00:41	tripod	lol
00:41	VanessaE	lamefun: HUH!?
00:41	tripod	this guy
00:41	Exio	VanessaE: it is already obsolote, x86_64
00:41	VanessaE	someone show this guy TIMECUBE
00:41	VanessaE	:D
00:41	BlindBanana	minetest 0.4.5 packages available for openSUSE 12.1 12.2 12.3 and Tumbleweed (rolling release), packages url: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/BlindBanana:/branches:/games/ url for depdended packages: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/games/ just pick the right subfolder according your distribution
00:41	sfan5	VanessaE: a class trip
00:41	NekoGloop	show him ifunny, he'll be gone for hours
00:41	lamefun	The site full of diversitivist lies... The ONEist Global Government will unify everything!
00:41	VanessaE	Exio: I mean the general architecture i.e. that which can run say Windows 3.1 :-)
00:41	sfan5	and a bus
00:41	* kaeza	wished someone compiled MT for Puppy already :D
00:42	tripod	oh shit
00:42	lamefun	ONE platform --- HTML5, ONE operating system --- Windows.
00:42	tripod	i sense Illuminutty
00:42	VanessaE	windows? FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU
00:42	VanessaE	Linux or GTFO
00:42	Kacey	both ^_^
00:42	lamefun	VanessaE: Microsoft made it so that ARM have mandatory non-disablable "Secure" Boot.
00:42	kaeza	lamefun, DON'T SAY THE 'W' WORD HERE!!
00:42	Kacey	windows windows windows
00:42	kaeza	/ban Kacey
00:42	VanessaE	lamefun: no, microsoft demanded it but the MANUFACTURERS made it, and that only applies to certain ARM-based platforms.
00:42	lamefun	When x86 is obsolete, the world for people is coming!
00:43	Kacey	i run both windows and linux
00:43	lamefun	Are there non-locked-down ARM platforms?
00:43	Exio	lamefun: http://forum.dronprogs.org/files_for_my_posts/books/GEA.pdf
00:43	Exio	read the book, then come back
00:43	Kacey	on different computers
00:43	VanessaE	lamefun: yes, though I don't remember which ones.
00:43	VanessaE	hell aren't most tablets ARM?
00:43	Exio	lamefun: yes, 99% of the arm cpus
00:43	Exio	devices and so
00:43	lamefun	Aren't most tablets locked-down?
00:44	kaeza	who says x86 is obsolete? maybe some fucktard that bloats an OS with highly inefficient crap
00:44	VanessaE	lamefun: no, most tablets run Android now.
00:44	NekoGloop	Aren't you kinda lost here?
00:44	lamefun	Isn't Android locked-down (need to hack root privileges, etc.)?
00:44	VanessaE	lamefun: not as far as I am aware it isn't.
00:44	* kaeza	puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head
00:44	VanessaE	Android is Linux.
00:44	Exio	android is locked down for final users
00:44	lamefun	Doesn't matter.
00:45	Exio	if you want root you have two ways, using the "dev" releases with all of the power, or "hacking it"
00:45	lamefun	If Linux was GPLv3, then they couldn't lock it down.
00:45	bas080	knurd
00:45	lamefun	But it's still GPLv2
00:45	Exio	lamefun: wtf?
00:45	Exio	lamefun: how does that matter?
00:46	Exio	the kernel is not the thing what is locked, and the code is opensource, and if it were gplv3
00:46	Exio	we will not be able to use most of the "closeddevices"
00:46	Exio	what are actually floating around
00:47	Exio	in any case, you're a troll so gtfo
00:47	Exio	-ban
00:47	Exio	oops
00:47	VanessaE	point is, it is fairly trivial to unlock a tablet, not that this is even slightly germane to the discussion.
00:47	VanessaE	if it's locked down at all.
00:48	Exio	the "boot" of my android device wasn't blocked
00:48	Exio	even, i had to reflash other official rom for having root
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00:50	jojoa1997\|Tablet	does anyone know any good android games?
00:50	VanessaE	lamefun: your dystopian future will never come to pass. The rest of us will prevent that from ever happening.
00:50	VanessaE	even if the world goes to shit, we'll still be here.
00:51	Exio	jojoa1997\|Tablet: yes, terminal emulator, chroot and gcc :)
00:51	VanessaE	jojoa1997\|Tablet: angry birds. :D
00:51	VanessaE	jk
00:51	VanessaE	a good game? easy. ssh -X some_server_that_has_X -c "minetest"
00:51	VanessaE	;)
00:51	jojoa1997\|Tablet	ok genre fighting/simple(non car) racing games
00:51	VanessaE	(I wonder if that would actually work?)
00:51	Exio	it will .. not
00:51	jojoa1997\|Tablet	brb
00:52	Exio	because android does not use a X11 server, and if you install one
00:52	kaeza	I'd like to find a good racing game
00:52	Exio	the actual X11 server does not has support for accelerated access or so
00:52	kaeza	TORCS is shit
00:52	VanessaE	while I was at the optomotrist last week, I saw a kid playing on some little tablet, one of those smaller-than-usual ones. Some zombie game. You had to throw street trash at zombies who were slowly plodding toward you
00:52	VanessaE	kaeza: extreme tuxracer :D
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00:53	kaeza	VanessaE, good, but I'm looking something more "realistic" (in the veins of Gran Turismo)
00:53	Exio	err
00:53	Exio	i have played a game for that
00:53	Exio	like 3 years ago or so
00:54	Exio	jojoa1997\|Tablet: can i ask why \|tablet if you are using it like 95% of the time?
00:54	Exio	you should use jojoa1997\|desktop :)
00:54	kaeza	^
00:54	VanessaE	haha
00:54	jojoa1997\|Tablet	nope
00:54	VanessaE	Exio: well in that case, guess we'll have to work on porting the game to Android directly :)
00:55	jojoa1997\|Tablet	my computer is on "bsecure" and this is my way around it
00:55	Exio	VanessaE: are there any direct X11/api calls?
00:55	VanessaE	dunno
00:55	kaeza	and while at it, to SymbianOS :D
00:55	jojoa1997\|Tablet	guys
00:55	jojoa1997\|Tablet	if someone ports something to android will i still be able to use lua mods
00:56	Exio	if irrlicht works in android (and does), you should be able in teory to get a "release working" (thanks to proller patches for opengles)
00:56	jojoa1997\|Tablet	ports minetest to android
00:56	VanessaE	jojoa1997\|Tablet: if it were ported, probably.
00:56	* jojoa1997\|Tablet	makes sfan5\|OFF come back to port android
00:57	jojoa1997\|Tablet	ok so what is the best android game besides the futere minetest(and the current non appstore downloaded minecraft)
00:58	kaeza	how does one pull a single/few commits from a diff repo?
00:58	jojoa1997\|Tablet	pull the rest and erase them
00:58	jojoa1997\|Tablet	jk
00:58	VanessaE	git add remote somename gitblahblah.url.git; git fetch somename; git cherrypick commitidblahblahblahblahblah
00:58	VanessaE	something like that I guess
00:59	kaeza	hmm gonna try
00:59	jojoa1997\|Tablet	what is this? v
00:59	jojoa1997\|Tablet	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77702#p77702
00:59	jojoa1997\|Tablet	is it android minetest?
00:59	VanessaE	no
00:59	* jojoa1997\|Tablet	would scream for joy
00:59	VanessaE	OpenSUSE is another Linux distro
01:00	* jojoa1997\|Tablet	goes and jumps off a cliff
01:00	* VanessaE	yells after jojoa1997\|Tablet ... "Can I have yoUR TABLET!?"
01:00	VanessaE	(imagine me getting louder as he falls)
01:01	VanessaE	:)
01:01	* jojoa1997\|Tablet	takes the tablet with him
01:01	* khonkhortisan	uses OpenSuSE
01:02	* jojoa1997\|Tablet	muwhahaHAHAHAHA!HA!HA!HA!H!HA!H!A!H!A!
01:02	* Kacey	is eating applesauce. be jealous
01:02	VanessaE	Ubuntu Precise or GTFO :-)
01:02	* jojoa1997\|Tablet	gets louder as he falls
01:02	khonkhortisan	is Precise a version?
01:02	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Kacey so am i
01:02	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: 12.04, yeah
01:02	khonkhortisan	I have 12.1
01:03	khonkhortisan	gotta update to 2 or 3
01:04	jojoa1997\|Tablet	this is the way to go data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAkGBhQSERUSERIUFBUVFxQWFRcWFBcWFRQUFRQVFBgSFhcYHyceGBwjGhQUHy8hIygpLCwsFx4xNTwqNSYrLCkBCQoKDgwOGA8PGiokHCUsLyosLyksLTUpLCwsLCwsNSwsMCwsLywpLywqLywsNSwuLCosKSwpKSksLCwsLCwsLP/AABEIAKAAoAMBIgACEQEDEQH/xAAbAAEAAgMBAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAUBAwYCB//EADsQAAEDAgMEBwYDCAMAAAAAAAEAAgMEERIhMQUGQVETImFxgZGhBzJCUrHRFCOSFUNicoKywcIz4fD/xAAaAQEAAgMBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQ
01:04	Exio	.
01:04	VanessaE	wtf?
01:04	jojoa1997\|Tablet	oops
01:04	khonkhortisan	how do I open that?
01:04	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i did select all with keyboard sorry
01:04	preludelinux	lol
01:04	jojoa1997\|Tablet	click it or copy and paste
01:04	jojoa1997\|Tablet	once i pressed enter i started cracking up
01:05	VanessaE	next time paste a URL :)
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01:05	jojoa1997\|Tablet	that was the url
01:05	jojoa1997\|Tablet	it kicked me oout
01:05	VanessaE	no, that was not the whole URL to whatever it was :-)
01:06	VanessaE	protip: use bit.ly :-)
01:06	jojoa1997\|Tablet	that was the piuck url
01:06	VanessaE	it didn't go through.
01:06	VanessaE	[03-21 21:06] <VanessaE> next time paste a URL :)
01:06	VanessaE	[03-21 21:06] * jojoa1997\|Tablet has quit (Quit: Bye)
01:07	jojoa1997\|Tablet	what
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01:11	jojoa1997\|Tablet	http://www.buythecase.net/uploads/products/200/1480000010.jpg
01:11	jojoa1997\|Tablet	yay
01:15	jojoa1997\|Tablet	why must sfan5 abandon me in my greatest time of need
01:15	sfan5	what?
01:15	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i have to do homework and he wont let me play minetest on my tablet
01:15	jojoa1997\|Tablet	yay he returns
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01:16	jojoa1997\|Tablet	sfan5 i heard that you can port minetest to android now with some changes to mineytest source
01:16	jojoa1997\|Tablet	who said it earlier
01:16	sfan5	umm
01:16	sfan5	i had no time to work on that lately
01:17	sfan5	also the irrilicht examples don't even run
01:17	sfan5	-i
01:17	jojoa1997\|Tablet	http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-03-22#i_2946602
01:17	jojoa1997\|Tablet	look
01:17	sfan5	Exioif irrlicht works in android (and does), you should be able in teory to get a "release working" (thanks to proller patches for opengles)
01:18	jojoa1997\|Tablet	yeah
01:18	sfan5	prollers patches are not a big help, as i already made minetest makefiles accept opengles
01:18	jojoa1997\|Tablet	could you do it
01:18	jojoa1997\|Tablet	oh then what is the prob
01:18	sfan5	<sfan5> the irrlicht examples don't even run
01:18	jojoa1997\|Tablet	examples?
01:19	jojoa1997\|Tablet	why not try the actual game
01:19	sfan5	if even a simple example application doesn't work, why should the game work
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01:19	jojoa1997\|Tablet	maybe the application is wrong
01:20	jojoa1997\|Tablet	or maybe there is something with your android
01:20	sfan5	what do you mean.. "wrong"?
01:20	jojoa1997\|Tablet	idk something
01:24	Exio	sfan5: they don't run?
01:24	sfan5	no
01:24	Exio	btw, how did you compile it?
01:24	sfan5	with 2 different ways: ndk using cross compiling and ndk using NativeActivity
01:26	Exio	hehe
01:26	Exio	in what phone, btw?
01:26	Exio	i will try in somedays with my lg p350 and so
01:27	sfan5	target revision was 8 i think
01:33	* Kacey	is eating a drumstick. be jealous
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01:42	Aggies	hello everybody
01:45	NekoGloop	Meow
01:46	Aggies	lol
01:46	NekoGloop	Meow?
01:46	VanessaE	meow.
01:47	* Aggies	pets NekoGloop and feeds him some kibble
01:47	* NekoGloop	spits it out
01:48	Kacey	dear god facepalm
01:48	Aggies	lol
01:48	Kacey	Aggies, join Menche's server
01:48	Aggies	no
01:49	VanessaE	y u no play on mine? :(
01:50	Kacey	i am playing legit build right no
01:50	Kacey	now*
01:50	Kacey	Aggies, why not?
01:50	Aggies	on facbeook
01:51	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: about the minetest over ssh thing, it works, but I only got the menu, and that at about 1 FPS
01:51	Kacey	open teamviewer
01:51	Aggies	k
01:51	Aggies	i'm on
01:52	Kacey	check your messages
01:52	Kacey	on the left side of the screen
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01:57	kaeza	woht http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77709#p77709
01:58	VanessaE	wtf?
02:00	Aggies	lets start a riot a riot lets start a riot tell me if you kno wwhat song this is
02:02	lamefun	btw
02:02	lamefun	Google, Microsoft and Apple care about JavaScript security
02:02	lamefun	so we'll have mods safe for server
02:03	NekoGloop	http://ifunny.mobi/#Nbe36caN
02:03	ShadowNinja	because we know microsoft is great at security...
02:03	Exio	they are good at making security...
02:03	Exio	..holes :)
02:03	lamefun	I'm using Google's engine.
02:07	Aggies	0.1 lag feels so good
02:08	kaeza	WTF is wrong with everyone having Lua as scripting language??
02:08	kaeza	s/having/not wanting/
02:11	kaeza	I don't know you, but that guy is starting to sound like Likwid
02:12	VanessaE	kaeza: two words: slow mods
02:12	VanessaE	:-)
02:12	kaeza	VanessaE, so you prefer having to compile 100+ mods for every platform out there? :)
02:12	VanessaE	no :)
02:13	VanessaE	I prefer magic like LuaJIT and having appropriately heavy function moved into the core of whatever engine is in quesiton :-)
02:13	VanessaE	question*
02:13	NekoGloop	http://ifunny.mobi/#NWDqji8J
02:14	kaeza	lol I had one of these as akid http://ifunny.mobi/#2yjktUNc
02:14	kaeza	s(akid/a kid/
02:14	kaeza	fuk
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02:17	NekoGloop	http://ifunny.mobi/#lZyg2i8J
02:20	lamefun	kaeza, VanessaE: LuaJIT is a one-man project and I fear it'll die, while there fast free software are JavaScript engines from corporations like Mozilla, Google, Apple.
02:20	VanessaE	corporations can die too, but open source software will live as long as someone wants to maintain it.
02:21	kaeza	lamefun, go help the LuaJit man then
02:21	kaeza	:)
02:21	kaeza	IIRC minetest would be dead by now if no one started to help c55
02:21	lamefun	The whole Web 3.0 depends on JavaScript, so there are always people to maintain the JS interpreter. Who needs LuaJIT besides minetest?
02:22	kaeza	lamefun, a fuckton of projects
02:22	VanessaE	lots of projects use Lua.
02:22	VanessaE	and "web 3.0" is a bullshit idea, which will probably be powered by AJAX or something, not js.
02:22	lamefun	How many actually need performance beyond standard interpreter and use LuaJIT?
02:23	kaeza	that come to my mind, the Love game engine, DoomRL, Legend of Cosmo, Minetest, some music player
02:23	lamefun	AJAX = Asynchronous JavaScript and XML
02:23	VanessaE	how many people use python? or bash? or PHP? or batch scripting? or a thousand other interpreted languages?
02:23	lamefun	A lot
02:24	lamefun	Just that most people are OK with their performance, so there are no JIT for bash and PHP. There is JIT for Python I think, but still most people use the standard interpreter.
02:24	kaeza	lamefun, you are proposing everyone switchs to JS (minetest or not)
02:24	kaeza	+e
02:24	Exio	i have an idea
02:25	Exio	let lamefun code everything
02:25	Exio	and post real benchmarks
02:25	kaeza	^
02:25	Exio	see you in 10 years lamefun
02:26	lamefun	kaeza: no
02:26	kaeza	lamefun, Ruby is (was) also sort of the "new thing", and it's complete utter shit
02:26	lamefun	but we (minetest) need an interpreted language and need it to be fast
02:26	Exio	luajit is fast enough
02:26	kaeza	lamefun, a language is a language
02:26	Exio	if the function is really heavy
02:26	Exio	you port it to C++ and you get in the engine
02:26	kaeza	the interpreter is another story
02:27	Exio	and it gets "even more faster" than your v8-tests
02:27	VanessaE	it's up to the interpreter or compiler as to whether a given language is fast or not.
02:27	Exio	as i said
02:27	VanessaE	end of story.
02:27	Exio	ignore lamefun until he ports minetest to v8 or js or whatever
02:33	lamefun	There's a lot of interest (the whole of the Web 3.0, Qt 5, GNOME 3) in fast JavaScript. Is there the same interest in fast Lua? I'm just afraid that LuaJIT may just die, as it's a one-man project.
02:34	Exio	do you have any argument, i only see "one-man one-man one-man" like implying most of the stuff we are using wasn't started by one or two (bored) guys saying "eh, this may work!"
02:35	kaeza	lamefun, your silly marketing campaing for JS is just pissing everyone in here
02:35	kaeza	provide facts as Exio said, STFU, or GTFO
02:36	Exio	JS is cool as language, but lua fits better here
02:36	Exio	the things for what they were made
02:38	VanessaE	plus if LuaJIT dies, who says we can't just go back to using Lua?
02:38	kaeza	offtopic: I want this shirt http://ifunny.mobi/#JkGHtA9J
02:39	lamefun	VanessaE: we may have mods that rely on its performance
02:40	VanessaE	lamefun: then blame those modders for releasing slow code.
02:40	Exio	[23:26:51] <Exio> if the function is really heavy
02:40	Exio	[23:26:58] <Exio> you port it to C++ and you get in the engine
02:40	VanessaE	or blame whoever the devs are at the time for not incorporating enough C++ hooks to avoid the need for the slow code.
02:40	VanessaE	exactly.
02:40	VanessaE	what he said.
02:40	VanessaE	and indeed, that should be done ANYway
02:40	Exio	coding a whole IA in any language like lua, js or whatever
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02:41	Exio	will be slow versus the C++ integrated in core version
02:41	VanessaE	whether we use LuaJIT, plain Lua, or some magical 100x-faster-than-JIT compiler.
02:41	VanessaE	if it's a CPU-heavy task, it belongs in C++
02:41	VanessaE	(or another language that is meant to be compiled)
02:43	kaeza	compiled to native code*
02:43	VanessaE	yes
02:43	VanessaE	as opposed to being tokenized into p-code.
02:43	Exio	compiled to bytecode*, like python or java :3
02:44	tripod	pwned
02:44	VanessaE	you wouldn't use BASIC to decode a jpeg file byte by byte, so don't use Lua to do huge CPU-intensive mapping tasks. delegate those tasks to where they are best suited.
02:44	VanessaE	(the irony of that statement is the python mapper that comes with the engine ;-) )
02:44	kaeza	VanessaE, FreeBasic :3
02:45	VanessaE	kaeza: blassic of GTFO :)
02:45	VanessaE	or*
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02:46	kaeza1	fak
02:50	tripod	he is googling his next arguement
02:51	Exio	he is asking to M$*
02:54	kaeza	^ lol
02:55	tripod	finding a valid arguement with m$
02:55	tripod	pretty bad now they are forcing everyone to use metro on win8
02:55	tripod	ugh
02:55	tripod	if i had my way anyone on welfare would need to use linux in order to get the benefit :P
02:56	tripod	boom right there linux is the highest user OS :P
02:56	lamefun	There's really no more arguments... If the Shiny New World is coming, the games like Minecraft are going to be banned, because they promote thought crime, to be replaced with new games, the games for PEOPLE, the locked games, linear and immutable.
02:56	tripod	hahah
02:56	tripod	lol
02:56	tripod	you are something different
02:57	NekoGloop	What games for people...
02:57	NekoGloop	The games for people are the ones who let "people" change them to how they see fit.
02:57	VanessaE	never gonna happen, lamefun.
02:59	VanessaE	capitalism, which is what big corps worship the most, is not compatible with the socialist ideal of "the people".
02:59	VanessaE	so they will never be the ones to bring about a truly "open" world.
02:59	kaeza	I want a moment of your attention to just say DNFTT
02:59	VanessaE	not without one hell of a financial incentive.
03:06	* ShadowNinja	reads about LuaJIT ffi cool, even faster
03:06	tripod	DNFTT?
03:07	tripod	did not finish tracking telepathy
03:07	kaeza	do not feed the trolls. I kist did feed one and I welcome to my /ignore list
03:07	kaeza	just*
03:08	kaeza	wait
03:08	kaeza	lol
03:08	* kaeza	needs to pay more attention to who is speaking
03:08	tripod	yeah
03:08	kaeza	anyway, I welcome lamefun to my /ignore list
03:08	tripod	nah this new shiny world sounds good
03:09	tripod	because when i hear shiny
03:09	tripod	i think of firefly
03:09	tripod	when i think of firefly
03:09	tripod	i think awesome
03:09	kaeza	I think of Pokemon
03:09	kaeza	:P
03:09	lamefun	hm
03:09	NekoGloop	I think of shiny.
03:09	Exio	good night, now
03:10	kaeza	nite EXio
03:10	lamefun	inconvenient truth is always a hate magnet
03:10	lamefun	anyway
03:10	VanessaE	truth as you see it.
03:10	lamefun	I want programmable computers mod
03:10	tripod	if he really had an issue
03:10	VanessaE	your arguments are all based on speculation, assumptions, and subjective ideals.
03:10	tripod	just fork minetest
03:10	tripod	and stfu
03:10	tripod	simple
03:10	VanessaE	+1
03:10	tripod	if you dont like it leave :P
03:11	kaeza	^
03:11	Exio	thanks tripod
03:11	Exio	now i don't like you </3
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03:11	Exio	[the real reason of why i'm leaving to sleep!]
03:11	tripod	that's cool
03:11	tripod	i loved you man
03:11	tripod	i fucking loved you
03:11	Exio	xD
03:11	Exio	bye
03:11	tripod	:P
03:13	kaeza	</3 C:\>
03:13	kaeza	:P
03:13	* kaeza	is bored
03:14	kaeza	aaaaaaaand SPAM http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77738#p77738
03:14	kaeza	VanessaE, ^
03:14	lamefun	they're based on completely obvious inconvenient truth that everyone just prefers to ignore (complex computer science degree requiring one-man projects that aren't much used can easily die, JavaScript is a language that has JIT interperters that can be relied long-term)
03:14	lamefun	Anyway, my real problem is that Minetest needs a way to easily distribute mods that require high performance, what do you propose instead of JavaScript?
03:14	jojoa1997\|Tablet	I clicked the link hehehe
03:14	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Lua
03:14	sokomine	ah. saw that as well. not entirely sure if it's spam or just someone suggesting building plans for building sheds in mt :-)
03:14	VanessaE	kaeza: dealt.
03:15	kaeza	thx :)
03:15	VanessaE	lamefun: C++.
03:15	VanessaE	now GTFO.
03:15	jojoa1997\|Tablet	did ypu click the link
03:15	jojoa1997\|Tablet	it was spam
03:16	sokomine	mods that require high perfomance? hm. most mods either do fine or don't use much performance
03:16	kaeza	jojoa1997\|Tablet, one does not simply click links in stupid posts like these
03:16	sokomine	no, i didn't click on the link
03:16	VanessaE	jojoa1997\|Tablet: deleted right away.
03:16	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Kaeza I bored so I clicked it
03:17	kaeza	so I should post a link to citricnotorangeparty.com?
03:18	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Sokamine try having me second tech,more tress,mobf,both NPCs,simple mobs,and about 20 other mods with 10 of them being land editors
03:18	kaeza	would you click that one right away?
03:18	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Me?
03:18	kaeza	yes
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03:19	jojoa1997\|Tablet	It doesn't go anywhere
03:19	jojoa1997\|Tablet	I usually click irc links
03:19	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Even when looking at logs
03:19	jojoa1997\|Tablet	WARNING can create cinfisuion
03:20	kaeza	jojoa1997\|Tablet, Common Senseâ„¢ 2013 Antivirus helps a lot
03:20	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Kaeza
03:20	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Why would I click a link that you pm me
03:21	kaeza	then do not click it
03:21	sokomine	jojoa: yes, there are a few that need every bit of performance they can get, especially mobf. don't know about simple mobs. they're too much on the hostile side for me to be intresting. moretrees seems to do rather fine in newer builds
03:21	kaeza	in fact, I recommend you DO NOT CLICK IT
03:21	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Shall I post it here
03:22	jojoa1997\|Tablet	And jabber some one else tell me what it is?
03:22	kaeza	do as you want, but I did not post it here for a reason :)
03:22	jojoa1997\|Tablet	OK I definitely ain't clicking it
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03:26	ShadowNinja	want performance? use LuaJIT, it has ffi(C code in lua). </salespitch>
03:27	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: I think that's more intended for hooking into existing C++ functions, not so much writing code in C
03:27	kaeza	that feeling when somebody respons to your random question in a random forum six months later
03:27	kaeza	+d
03:28	VanessaE	plus it's already been kinda decided (at least by c55) that ffi should be disabled.
03:28	VanessaE	security risk.
03:29	ShadowNinja	yea, too bad, will that just be with the security enhancements enabled?
03:29	jojoa1997\|Tablet	What is ffi?
03:30	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: dunno
03:30	VanessaE	jojoa1997\|Tablet: a way for Lua to interface to C++ without requiring C++ hooks
03:30	jojoa1997\|Tablet	:O
03:30	ShadowNinja	I read C, is it C++?
03:31	VanessaE	probably whatever language Lua is being interfaced to.
03:31	VanessaE	C++ in our case.
03:32	NekoGloop	http://ifunny.mobi/#p9rd9yol YES.
03:32	hmmmm	http://ompldr.org/vaHVlZg
03:32	kaeza	http://ifunny.mobi/#iOsY1m8J
03:33	kaeza	hmmmm, wut
03:33	VanessaE	heh
03:33	hmmmm	if mese were spawned in air instead of stone, this is what the world would look like
03:33	hmmmm	that's how common mese actually is. food for thought.
03:33	VanessaE	eek
03:33	VanessaE	I knew it was somewhat common but damn
03:33	NekoGloop	And that's just the mese blocks. What about the ore?
03:33	VanessaE	perhaps that should be...toned down a little
03:33	hmmmm	ore, way more.
03:34	sokomine	ah yes, luajit sounds intresting
03:34	hmmmm	vanessae, but that's only because you see it
03:34	VanessaE	sure of course, but I'm thinking of the long-distance density too
03:34	VanessaE	mese blocks are supposed to be really rare
03:34	kaeza	hmmmm, actually no; I can get 2 stacks of mese in like 10 mins
03:35	hmmmm	celeron was really right about how things in 3d are way more rare than they seem
03:35	kaeza	so maybe a little bit more rare
03:35	hmmmm	especially when inside of stone, you need this sort of frequency
03:36	sokomine	don't make them too rare. it still takes time to get your first mese in a new world
03:36	sokomine	yes, right. you don't see what's outside of your immediate digging area
03:36	VanessaE	sokomine: I mean mese blocks
03:36	hmmmm	so now when people say a server is depleted of resources, you know they're full of shit!
03:36	VanessaE	they should be no more than 1/9 as common as mese in stone
03:37	VanessaE	hmmmm: I know, right?
03:37	hmmmm	yep
03:37	VanessaE	http://ifunny.mobi/#3GU4PUxa
03:37	VanessaE	100% WIN!
03:38	sokomine	hmmm: it's not mese we run out of. it's papyrus on redcrabs server. and long ways/destruction of landscape for clay/sand
03:38	NekoGloop	VanessaE, http://ifunny.mobi/#p9rd9yol
03:38	VanessaE	saw it.. erkk
03:38	sokomine	the papyrus problem has been saved iirc. and sand got a bit better thanks to the new sandstone receipes
03:39	VanessaE	admittedly I've seen that issue re: sand.. it does tend to run out fast in some places
03:39	NekoGloop	VanessaE, thoughts?
03:40	sokomine	well, at least for sand and clay, that's where my traders are for
03:40	VanessaE	NekoGloop: I like the sword, the gun is errr... ring is interesting, pokeballs are meh, the thing below those (portal gun?) is interesting, the amber-colored balls I don't recognize, the elder wand I'm not familiar with (not into harry potter)
03:40	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Nekogloop I like the poke balls
03:40	* jojoa1997\|Tablet	steals the poke balls and uses master ball on nekogloop
03:41	NekoGloop	yep, portal gun. and the amber pieces of shit are from Dragonball Z, which is apparently still a thing.
03:41	* NekoGloop	YOU CANNOT STEAL OTHER PEOPLE'S POKEMON TRAWLAWLAWLAWL
03:41	VanessaE	I didn't realize dbz was still going on
03:42	NekoGloop	Either DBZ or the early Yugioh anime.
03:42	NekoGloop	I think they both had similar things like that.
03:43	VanessaE	last time I watched that was about the time they introduced Cell.
03:43	VanessaE	so that's...shit, 15 years ago? :)
03:43	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Bedtime cya
03:43	VanessaE	night
03:44	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Vanessae get some sleep it is late for you
03:44	VanessaE	it's only a quarter of 12
03:44	NekoGloop	only 11:40
03:44	jojoa1997\|Tablet	If you woke up before eight
03:44	VanessaE	early for me :_)
03:44	VanessaE	:)
03:44	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Ok
03:44	VanessaE	hah!
03:44	VanessaE	I got up at 1pm or something
03:44	jojoa1997\|Tablet	I wake up at 5
03:44	NekoGloop	http://mtgcardsmith.com/ this is cool
03:44	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Cya
03:45	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Nekogloop make tool and block carda
03:53	NekoGloop	http://ifunny.mobi/#OSBCTrYh
03:54	VanessaE	hard hack!
03:54	NekoGloop	http://ifunny.mobi/#TvStIInj
04:01	VanessaE	http://ifunny.mobi/#1zlsXcms
04:01	VanessaE	:'(
04:05	khonkhortisan	There was a very similar story in the news that involved flower delivery
04:06	NekoGloop	Ah, i saw that.
04:07	NekoGloop	Reminds me of when i go to play the game. The ingame mother has so much shit she sends you xD
04:12	VanessaE	http://ifunny.mobi/#lcXFTRKh
04:12	VanessaE	aw damn, he left.
04:12	ecube	o.o
04:14	hmmmm	http://ompldr.org/vaHVlcA
04:14	hmmmm	ore distribution using 3d perlin noise
04:14	hmmmm	now you can define where it's concentrated
04:15	VanessaE	nice
04:15	hmmmm	you can have an "iron rich" area of the map or "tin deficient" area
04:17	VanessaE	very nie
04:17	VanessaE	nice
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04:33	kaeza	http://ifunny.mobi/#DKq3xhGr
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04:43	ShadowNinja	http://ifunny.mobi/#hmREiYSr ikr
05:04	VanessaE	bbl
05:17	kaeza	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77750#p77750 > "when I first saw the game, I was dumbfounded by the inventory screen; I only understood it when I played with my brother for the first time and he explained that the cube of 9 squares was used to "craft" things (from the appearance, I had assumed that it was mere inventory space)"
05:17	kaeza	I think MT needs at least labels for the "inventory" and "crafting table"
05:19	VanessaE	http://ifunny.mobi/#j9tfnrLq
05:19	VanessaE	point him to that
05:19	VanessaE	:D
05:19	VanessaE	:trollface:
05:19	kaeza	leave that wine bottle RIGHT NOW!
05:19	kaeza	:D
05:20	kaeza	:trollface:
05:20	kaeza	also, srsly, WTF http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5215
05:21	* kaeza	goes back to texturing
05:21	VanessaE	make some new objects for homedecor ;-)
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05:23	kaeza	VanessaE, +1
05:23	kaeza	where's Jordach's list when you need it?
05:24	VanessaE	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=59327#p59327
05:24	VanessaE	right there :)
05:24	VanessaE	(not that most of it is actually useful though; sorry Jordach)
05:24	kaeza	dishwashers and washing makines would be nice... if we had something to wash :D
05:24	kaeza	-k+ch
05:25	kaeza	every time I look at that list I'm like "HORY SHET!!"
05:25	VanessaE	lol
05:28	VanessaE	ok, time for bed.
05:28	VanessaE	night
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05:36	kaeza	nite
05:36	NekoGloop	...hi
05:36	kaeza	hai Neko
05:36	kaeza	is it possible to have nodeboxes extend > 0.5 or < -0.5
05:36	kaeza	?
05:38	NekoGloop	yes
05:39	kaeza	then something is fuxed up in my code :(
05:41	NekoGloop	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_O2DK2HDPg This is... beautiful
05:42	kaeza	cool! I just noticed a way to do one-way doors ^_^
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05:44	kaeza	weird bug if you can call that
05:45	kaeza	if you make a 0-width nodebox, you can go thru it one way but not the other
05:54	* NekoGloop	puts a kitten on kaeza's head because he looks like he could use one
05:55	kaeza	* the kitten goes thru kaeza's head because of the fucked up collision system
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05:59	* NekoGloop	puts a lot on so that they stack and one is on top of his head
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06:13	* NekoGloop	gives kaeza a pie
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06:30	ShadowNinja	kaeza: signs from home decor only check protection if you are placing a sign on the floor
06:30	ShadowNinja	so placing on posts and walls works
06:30	kaeza	huh?
06:30	kaeza	haven't tested it with any protection yet
06:31	ShadowNinja	well the code only checks for wdir==1
06:33	ShadowNinja	it also has some indentation issues, and it is indented with spaces
06:34	ShadowNinja	looks like it was designed with a tab width of 4
06:34	kaeza	fixed it
06:35	kaeza	fixing indentation now
06:36	kaeza	well actually... does copying lines 148-151 to before 155 fix the problem?
06:36	kaeza	s/155/138/
06:37	ShadowNinja	it should, but you could even move it just below the else
06:39	ShadowNinja	I think we need a minetest.canInteract(pos, name) that would just return true normally and would be overriden by protection mods
06:39	kaeza	that would actually be a good idea
06:41	kaeza	but can't something like that be done with minetest.register_on_placenode?
06:41	ShadowNinja	I have a rewriten node_ownership mod that could use this
06:41	kaeza	...I guess not
06:42	ShadowNinja	well yes, but what if you want to check if an area is owned for placing the top half of a refrigerator for example
06:43	ShadowNinja	and it is done by overriding item_place_node
06:47	kaeza	BTW, I think I fell in love with this guy http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77755#p77755
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07:20	celeron55	"isn't something that needs advanced computer science degrees"
07:20	celeron55	lol
07:20	celeron55	nothing needs advanced computer science degrees
07:21	celeron55	you always just need some basic math and a desire to hack around; the rest will come out from that
07:23	celeron55	and time
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07:27	Jordach	i leave my pc on overnight and im pinged like fuck
07:32	kaeza	Jordach, PING
07:32	kaeza	</troll>
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08:32	Jscherro	hey
08:36	Jscherro	everyone sleeping? :(
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08:48	Jscherro	how do i choose and define a spawn
08:49	ironzorg	why would you do that
08:49	ironzorg	maybe it's saved somewhere in the metadata
08:49	Jscherro	i need it because some times i spawn in the air and other places and take fall damage
08:50	Jscherro	would want to build a spawning area on my serve
08:52	Jscherro	can i see my location with some keypress ingame?
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09:04	kaeza	static_spawn = (X, Y, Z) in minetest.conf
09:05	kaeza	Jscherro, ^
09:06	kaeza	also, F5 shows your pos in-game
09:11	Jscherro	i did find out and put it in
09:11	Jscherro	but people still spawn weird places
09:12	Jscherro	try join it
09:12	Jscherro	its in the server browser.. the powernoob serve
09:16	Jscherro	any good mods to add monsters?
09:16	Jscherro	any good rpg mods in general?
09:16	Jscherro	maybe classes or abilities
09:22	kaeza	Jscherro, for monsters, try MOBF or Simple Mobs
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09:22	kaeza	IDK about RPG mods, but if you find one please share :)
09:23	kaeza	actually, there's the specialties mod somewhere
09:23	Jscherro	hehe
09:23	Jscherro	k
09:23	Jscherro	ill look for mobf and simple mobs
09:25	kaeza	hmm... I think my next project will be getting some mods and adapt (or write my own outright) to add more RPG elements to MT
09:25	Jscherro	mobf = mob framework?
09:25	kaeza	yep
09:25	Jscherro	k but is it mobs out of the box or do i need to work for it?
09:25	Jscherro	im no modder
09:25	kaeza	(a.k.a. Animal Modpack)
09:26	Jscherro	but would like to be
09:26	Jscherro	i just want some mobs in the world.. especially at night
09:26	kaeza	hmm... IDK if MOBF works out of the nox in already generated worlds
09:26	kaeza	but if you create a new one it will work
09:26	Jscherro	ok
09:26	Jscherro	i could do that
09:27	kaeza	s/nox/box/
09:27	Jscherro	hehe
09:27	Jscherro	what happens if all animals are keeeled
09:27	kaeza	they just respawn :)
09:27	Jscherro	ok
09:27	Jscherro	ill make a new world ten
09:27	Jscherro	then
09:29	Jscherro	if i put mods in the mods folder all worlds will use it right
09:29	Jscherro	if i put it in the worldmods in the world folder only that one world will
09:29	kaeza	to avoid being unclear, MOBF does work on already generated worlds, but already generated parts of the world will not have monsters due to the way it is written (?)
09:29	kaeza	yes
09:30	kaeza	better put it in worlds/yourworld/game/mods/ if you don't want them to appar on other worlds
09:30	kaeza	+e
09:30	Jscherro	lua error
09:30	Jscherro	on animals modpack
09:31	Jscherro	i see lots of errors when itry to add mods
09:31	kaeza	can you pastebin the output in debug.txt?
09:31	Jscherro	ye
09:32	Jscherro	-------------
09:32	Jscherro	Separator
09:32	Jscherro	-------------
09:32	Jscherro	Automatically selecting world at [C:\Users\Stuen\Desktop\minetest-0.4.5\bin\..\worlds\world]
09:32	Jscherro	10:31:50: ERROR[main]: mod "moretrees-master" has unsatisfied dependencies: "plants_lib"
09:32	Jscherro	10:31:50: ERROR[main]: Error loading mod "animals_modpack-2.0.4": modname does not follow naming conventions: Only chararacters [a-z0-9_] are allowed.
09:32	Jscherro	10:31:50: ERROR[main]: Server: Failed to load and run C:\Users\Stuen\Desktop\minetest-0.4.5\bin\..\mods\minetest\animals_modpack-2.0.5\animals_modpack-2.0.4\init.lua
09:32	Jscherro	10:31:50: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ModError: Failed to load and run C:\Users\Stuen\Desktop\minetest-0.4.5\bin\..\mods\minetest\animals_modpack-2.0.5\animals_modpack-2.0.4\init.lua
09:32	Jscherro	In thread 824:
09:32	Jscherro	..\..\src\minetest-0.4.5\src\main.cpp:1802: main: Assertion '0' failed.
09:32	Jscherro	Debug stacks:
09:32	Jscherro	DEBUG STACK FOR THREAD 824:
09:32	Jscherro	#0 main
09:32	Jscherro	(Leftover data: #1 Dedicated server branch)
09:33	Jscherro	getting a cup of coffee
09:33	kaeza	in the future, try using a site like pastebin.com
09:33	kaeza	but..
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09:34	kaeza	regarding mobf, try renaming it to just 'animals_modpack'
09:35	Jscherro	ok
09:35	kaeza	also, rename moretrees-master to just 'moretrees', and install plantlife mod
09:35	kaeza	(to solve unsatisfied dependency on plants_lib)
09:37	Jscherro	vanessas plantlife?
09:37	kaeza	yep
09:37	Jscherro	k
09:38	Jscherro	Automatically selecting world at [C:\Users\Stuen\Desktop\minetest-0.4.5\bin\..\worlds\world]
09:38	Jscherro	[Plantlife Library] Loaded
09:38	Jscherro	[Poison Ivy] Loaded.
09:38	Jscherro	[Junglegrass] Loaded.
09:38	Jscherro	[Flowers] Loaded.
09:38	Jscherro	[Moretrees] Loaded (2013-02-11)
09:38	Jscherro	10:38:21: ERROR[main]: Error loading mod "animals_modpack-2.0.4": modname does not follow naming conventions: Only chararacters [a-z0-9_] are allowed.
09:38	Jscherro	10:38:21: ERROR[main]: Server: Failed to load and run C:\Users\Stuen\Desktop\minetest-0.4.5\bin\..\mods\minetest\animals_modpack\animals_modpack-2.0.4\init.lua
09:38	Jscherro	10:38:21: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ModError: Failed to load and run C:\Users\Stuen\Desktop\minetest-0.4.5\bin\..\mods\minetest\animals_modpack\animals_modpack-2.0.4\init.lua
09:38	Jscherro	In thread ae8:
09:38	Jscherro	..\..\src\minetest-0.4.5\src\main.cpp:1802: main: Assertion '0' failed.
09:38	Jscherro	Debug stacks:
09:38	Jscherro	DEBUG STACK FOR THREAD ae8:
09:38	Jscherro	#0 main
09:38	Jscherro	why it still called -2.0.4 i removed that
09:39	Jscherro	sec
09:39	kaeza	...use pastebin.com :)
09:39	kaeza	someone will yell at you if you paste that much text here
09:39	Jscherro	rofl sry yea didnt know what paastebin was
09:40	kaeza	np
09:43	Jscherro	will it work if i just copy the rars into the folder
09:44	Jscherro	not extracting them
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09:45	kaeza	nope
09:45	kaeza	lemme see
09:45	kaeza	hm..
09:46	Jscherro	i removed what you said from the names
09:47	Jscherro	but theres a subfolder in the animals mod that also is named -2.0.4
09:47	kaeza	let's see... find the folder that has a 'modpack.txt' file in it
09:48	kaeza	it should be animals_modpack-2.0.4
09:50	kaeza	wait
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09:50	jscherro2	sry got discoed
09:50	kaeza	why is init.lua in animal_modpack-2.0.4??
09:51	jscherro2	its not
09:51	jscherro2	there isnt ont
09:51	jscherro2	one*
09:51	kaeza	no I misread that part sorry
09:51	kaeza	find the folder that has a 'modpack.txt' file in it
09:52	jscherro2	its in the main folder
09:52	kaeza	move that folder to mods/
09:52	jscherro2	animals_modpack folder
09:52	jscherro2	it is
09:53	jscherro2	ahh sry
09:53	kaeza	O.o
09:53	jscherro2	yea one folder back.. moving it
09:53	jscherro2	they are all in the mods/minetest folder
09:53	kaeza	so you have mods/minetest/animal_modpack/modpack.txt
09:54	kaeza	(and all the other folders)
09:54	jscherro2	yes
09:54	kaeza	does it run now?
09:55	jscherro2	i moved it now and the pilzadam mobs folder and it seems to run now
09:55	jscherro2	so basically some mods need to be in the root mods folder not the minetest folder
09:55	kaeza	nope
09:55	jscherro2	k
09:55	kaeza	all mods must be in mods/minetest/
09:56	jscherro2	hmm k
09:58	kaeza	one note: never use WinRAR/WinZip's option to "Extract mods to own folder" or such with MT mods
09:58	kaeza	they are (almost always) ready to be extracted directly into your mods/minetest/ folder
09:58	jscherro2	ok
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10:04	jscherro2	thank you so much kaeza you helped alot
10:04	kaeza	np; anytime :)
10:05	kaeza	did it work ok this time?
10:05	jscherro2	yea
10:05	jscherro2	there are some desert men and some sheep in the game
10:05	jscherro2	and i see better trees too with fruits and stuff on em
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10:06	kaeza	you should also try farming and farming
10:06	kaeza	_plus
10:06	jscherro2	if you start to do a rpg mod.. would you consider taking me on the ride .. been playinig roleplaying all my life both pen and paper but ofcourse also various computer rpgs and mmos
10:07	kaeza	also food to add banana trees (??)
10:07	kaeza	I'm more of a jRPG fan, but sure
10:07	kaeza	:)
10:07	jscherro2	:)
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10:14	jscherro2	what the
10:14	jscherro2	looked through all pages couldnt find farming plus
10:15	kaeza	https://github.com/PilzAdam/farming_plus/zipball/master
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10:17	jscherro2	tnx marte
10:17	jscherro2	mate
10:18	kaeza	np. I also can't find it in the forums
10:18	kaeza	I found it here http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/viewmod.php?id=39
10:19	jscherro2	awww man
10:19	jscherro2	http://pastebin.com/rw2kZRq5
10:21	jscherro2	i got the plants mod also .. said that farming was depending on that
10:21	jscherro2	or nature
10:21	jscherro2	cant rememeber the name
10:21	kaeza	ugh >.<
10:22	kaeza	maybe VanessaE updated plants_lib and broke farming (?)
10:22	jscherro2	ah
10:23	kaeza	PilzAdam will have to update though
10:23	jscherro2	k
10:23	kaeza	let me check locally
10:23	jscherro2	k
10:27	kaeza	wait... it seems that is not the same farming mod I have here
10:27	jscherro2	ok
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10:29	kaeza	where did you doenload farming from?
10:29	kaeza	-e+w
10:29	jscherro2	mmm from the forums
10:29	jscherro2	i THINK
10:29	kaeza	there are like 3 farming mods
10:29	jscherro2	...
10:29	jscherro2	k
10:30	jscherro2	let me delete farming folder and keep the others and farming plus
10:30	jscherro2	its a mod with plowing ect
10:30	kaeza	try this one instead: https://github.com/PilzAdam/farming/zipball/master
10:31	jscherro2	k
10:31	jscherro2	i need a neko nature mod i think
10:32	jscherro2	wait i got that..
10:32	jscherro2	but it luas
10:33	kaeza	neko nature has some weird bugs; dunno if the guy keeps updating it
10:34	jscherro2	http://pastebin.com/9CkTSdsn
10:34	kaeza	It's a shame cause it was a good pack
10:34	jscherro2	should i remove neko and the farming mods
10:34	jscherro2	btw do you guys play and build alot or just play around modding :)
10:35	kaeza	rename to 'farming' and 'farming_plus' respectively
10:35	jscherro2	roger
10:35	kaeza	I play and mod :)
10:36	kaeza	if you like survival gameplay, my I suggest this? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4738
10:36	jscherro2	looks fun
10:39	jscherro2	ahh ye that works
10:39	jscherro2	now tho i have lots of unknown blocks.. pink ones
10:39	jscherro2	you know if more trees have any dependencies i may have deleted
10:40	kaeza	look at moretrees/depends.txt
10:40	kaeza	see if you have all the mods listed in that file
10:40	jscherro2	says plant lib
10:40	kaeza	plants_lib is part of plantlife
10:41	jscherro2	ahh
10:41	jscherro2	ofcourse
10:43	jscherro2	goodness tnx
10:43	jscherro2	lets start working on the MTRPG mod
10:43	jscherro2	i cant code but i can find resources.. do research ect
10:46	kaeza	not right now I'm afraid
10:46	jscherro2	;D
10:46	kaeza	but feel free to give any suggestions on what to add etc
10:47	kaeza	I'm currently working on updating my computer mod, survival_modpack, and adding some i18n support to the engine
10:47	jscherro2	well for one.. just 4 classes or so with possible more to come.. 1 key attribute for each to enhance skills/abilities. more monsters.. more items. more dungeons. some sort of lvling system based on how much you do a certain thing.. forexample more hits with your sword on a monster increases your melee damage
10:48	jscherro2	x amount of skillups with main skill or ability for your class grants you a lvl up with bonus hp/mana/endurance
10:49	kaeza	most of that isn't possible ATM
10:49	jscherro2	k
10:49	jscherro2	was afraid so :P
10:50	kaeza	hmm... actually, I haven't tested if the inventory size can be changed
10:53	jscherro2	i do think i saw some mods who altered inventory
10:53	jscherro2	should be possible
10:55	kaeza	anyway, I think I'm off to bed for now (7:54 AM already)
10:55	kaeza	night/morning all
10:55	jscherro2	sleep well
10:55	jscherro2	cya later mate
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10:58	jscherro2	amg
10:58	jscherro2	pilz
10:59	jscherro2	in the survival mod.. you know how i make food? im starving i think.. i take damage some times
11:06	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
11:07	jscherro2	sup pilz
11:07	PilzAdam	*Adam
11:08	jscherro2	sup Adam
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11:53	jscherro2	hmmm my server crashes randomly
11:53	jscherro2	after some time
11:54	jscherro2	it just dies
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11:59	jscherro2	http://pastebin.com/Z1XU9WMu
11:59	jscherro2	anyone get that???
11:59	jscherro2	after those 3 leftover data the server crashes
12:00	PilzAdam	its a bug in the survival_hunger mod
12:00	jscherro2	oh
12:00	PilzAdam	post line 6 in the forum thread for it
12:00	PilzAdam	the mod developer should know the rest
12:01	jscherro2	k
12:02	kaeza	aww shit
12:03	kaeza	lemme fix that one
12:03	kaeza	anyway can't sleep
12:17	kaeza	jscherro2, fixed, please re-download
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12:19	kaeza	hai LAD
12:20	LAD	hi
12:20	LAD	...
12:21	LAD	im here to ask if any four people would like to join my "The Walls" PvP game coming soon i just need four more :)
12:22	kaeza	I have already posted in the topic :)
12:22	LAD	ok 3 more than
12:22	PilzAdam	are hacked clients allowed?
12:33	LAD	kaeza
12:33	LAD	oops
12:33	LAD	and no if i find you with a hacked client i'll ban you :)
12:39	jscherro2	aw man
12:39	LAD	i only need 2 more people to join any one ???
12:40	jscherro2	cant have protection blocks without creative mode? :(
12:40	jscherro2	i hate that creative mode
12:40	jscherro2	people should start with nothing but their hands then work their way up to tools
12:41	kaeza	upi aren't using minimal game are you?
12:41	kaeza	you*
12:41	jscherro2	no i dont think so
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12:42	jscherro2	whats that
12:42	kaeza	when you select a world does it say [minimal] or [minetest]?
12:42	jscherro2	minetest
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13:16	jojoa1997\|Tablet	I have an annoucwment
13:17	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Uh.....
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13:17	jojoa1997\|Tablet	Stupid dog
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13:34	hmmmm	hi
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13:39	STHGOM	hi!
13:39	STHGOM	*sparky the happy girrafe of minetest
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14:06	VanessaE	good morning
14:19	STHGOM	good morning!
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14:25	kaeza	morning V
14:25	VanessaE	hey
14:26	STHGOM	WELCOME EVERYONE!
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14:26	kaeza	been tweaking a few items for homedecor, but came across nasty bugs in collision detection
14:26	VanessaE	so I saw
14:27	kaeza	it seems a too thin nodebox is not taken into account from some directions
14:28	VanessaE	you sure you have sorted the nodebox coordinates?
14:29	VanessaE	that's the only time I've seen that happen
14:30	kaeza	hmm... I guess so. I'll pastebin the nodeboxes.
14:31	kaeza	is the only requirement that pos1.x < pos2.x, etc?
14:31	VanessaE	all three coords
14:31	VanessaE	x1 < x2, y1 < y2, z1 < z2
14:32	kaeza	seems like so http://pastebin.com/eEP1giBr
14:33	VanessaE	looks okay to me
14:35	kaeza	tried making the boxes thicker, but the bug is still there
14:36	kaeza	maybe something related to nodeboxes > 1.0 in size?
14:36	VanessaE	odd.. maybe so?
14:36	VanessaE	what are you making anyway>
14:37	kaeza	a desk
14:37	VanessaE	ah
14:37	VanessaE	bear in mind that nodeboxes > 1 full node will automatically tile the textures
14:37	VanessaE	and the tiling doesn't work in the horizontal direction
14:37	kaeza	hmm
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14:38	kaeza	maybe I should split it into two nodes then
14:38	kaeza	hai Neko
14:38	VanessaE	yeah
14:42	thexyz	and this is damn wrong too
14:42	VanessaE	which is?
14:42	thexyz	> 1 full node
14:43	thexyz	well, if it's slightly more than 1 full node, then nothing is wrong
14:43	VanessaE	is it wrong if the engine allows it, or wrong when the engine doesn't handle it properly (e.g. tiling textures cleanly, or stretching them)
14:43	kaeza	err... doesn't default door use nodeboxes > 1?
14:43	thexyz	no
14:44	thexyz	it's against the boxelness, i think
14:44	kaeza	nvm... will do single node things for now and work on multinode things later
14:46	thexyz	you'll have to manually handle all nodes which can be placed inside your "second" node
14:47	thexyz	then your code gets cluttered with dirty hacks
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14:47	VanessaE	there's a very simple solution: Make sure your selection box covers the whole node.
14:48	VanessaE	then the engine will think you're selecting the lower node and will place objects relative to that.
14:48	thexyz	that's another hack, not a solution
14:48	thexyz	you still can place blocks inside
14:48	VanessaE	sure, fi you can get inside the extra-large node
14:48	RealBadAngel	theres no limit for nodeboxes size
14:48	VanessaE	if*
14:48	thexyz	or place a fence and then click its side
14:48	thexyz	should work too
14:48	RealBadAngel	just remember textures will be tiled for actual node size
14:49	RealBadAngel	but you can make nodebox 10 times bigger that node
14:49	kaeza	yeah... I've seen your "stairs" lol
14:50	thexyz	though that's discouraged
14:50	RealBadAngel	http://i.imgur.com/XlaJbXk.jpg
14:51	kaeza	about a "trash can"... full node or a bit smaller?
14:51	NekoGloop	Best stair node ever
14:51	RealBadAngel	i just wait for some1 made aeroplane, train or ship
14:52	RealBadAngel	it is possible to do so
14:52	thexyz	why did all those people get so butthurted about non-renewable lava?
14:52	RealBadAngel	node is not the limit
14:53	RealBadAngel	hehe dunno
14:53	tripod	Hey guys
14:53	tripod	just saying, love you all
14:53	RealBadAngel	as some1 noticed dirt is more rare than lava
14:54	NekoGloop	Because it was something that made minetest different than minecraft.
14:54	PilzAdam	oh, so we want a bad game as long as it differs from minecraft?
14:55	NekoGloop	How the fuck does renewable lava make it a bad game.
14:55	PilzAdam	it makes things too easy
14:55	PilzAdam	wich is boding
14:55	PilzAdam	*boring
14:55	NekoGloop	What the hell is it making easy.
14:56	RealBadAngel	game shall force players to wander, dig and look for solutions
14:56	kaeza	^
14:56	PilzAdam	if you get endless lava when you find 2 sources, then its easy
14:56	RealBadAngel	puting 2 sources to get infinite is just braindead
14:56	kaeza	Actually, meh
14:56	kaeza	I have also non-renewable water in my copy
14:57	NekoGloop	game shall force players to be bored while searching for the millionth lava.
14:57	kaeza	...which paired with finite liquids make interesting results
14:57	RealBadAngel	no
14:57	RealBadAngel	game shall be life like
14:57	VanessaE	I'm waiting for screenshots showing non-renewable water that doesn't look like shit and won't kill server performance before I switch to that
14:58	NekoGloop	So the game will be boring and make players want to commit suicide?
14:59	RealBadAngel	what make games boring is the easiness gettin everything
14:59	RealBadAngel	when youre forced to work to get something its different
15:00	RealBadAngel	i know what im talkin abour
15:00	tripod	yeah
15:00	RealBadAngel	ive killed diablo playin in my students hostel with a trainer
15:00	tripod	games withoyt learning curve = shit.
15:00	RealBadAngel	in 2 weeks it was dead
15:00	NekoGloop	...
15:00	PilzAdam	thats the problem with letting everyone decide what should be in minetest_game; most people arent game developers and dont know what should be in a good game
15:01	tripod	gamers should know what they want in a game :P
15:01	tripod	i'd like to think so
15:01	VanessaE	the problem with that theory, PilzAdam, is that you need regular USERS too.
15:01	RealBadAngel	they dont know
15:01	VanessaE	people who can tell you what they want to play
15:01	NekoGloop	Pilz, you're just becoming a tyrant now.
15:01	PilzAdam	tripod, they dont, look at all the cheaters out there
15:01	RealBadAngel	human is a weird being
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15:02	RealBadAngel	game shall be hard and tough
15:02	NekoGloop	"Game shall be impossible" -RealBadAngel in 2 months
15:02	NekoGloop	"My game. Mine." -Pilz in 2 months.
15:02	RealBadAngel	lol
15:02	NekoGloop	"Whatever." -c55 in 2 months
15:03	VanessaE	"This shit needs a total rewrite" -hmmmm in 2 months.
15:03	RealBadAngel	"Meow." NekoGloop in 2 months.
15:03	VanessaE	(except hmmmm will probably be right :D )
15:03	NekoGloop	Hey, if hmmmm takes over minetest, I'd play it more.
15:04	RealBadAngel	it already happened
15:04	hmmmm	>imblygin that didn't already happen
15:04	NekoGloop	Hah, no
15:04	NekoGloop	Pilz is currently the one in-control of the game.
15:04	VanessaE	eha?
15:04	VanessaE	wha
15:04	VanessaE	looks at hmmmm
15:04	NekoGloop	hmmmm is merely playing with the engine.
15:04	hmmmm	maybe the lua game
15:05	hmmmm	he's definitely in charge of minetest_game because that's a minefield
15:05	hmmmm	too many opinions and whatever
15:05	kaeza1	well...look at what a single line change caused lol
15:05	hmmmm	don't want to deal with it :)
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15:05	NekoGloop	So you put the heartless bastard without a care in the world about the community in charge of minetest_game?
15:05	VanessaE	hmmmm: chickenshit ;)
15:05	VanessaE	NekoGloop: no, c55 did. :)
15:06	hmmmm	ha ha, i also don't like lua and whatever
15:06	hmmmm	the core development suits me better because it's more fun
15:06	NekoGloop	Here's a thing: Make selection boxes work
15:06	hmmmm	vanessae, what if there was an ore type that did this http://ompldr.org/vaHVpeg
15:06	NekoGloop	(intersecting ones don't look like shit)
15:06	hmmmm	would you go for that?
15:07	VanessaE	hmmmm: Not sure I would but I guarantee you RealBadAngel would!
15:07	NekoGloop	clouds/marble/granite
15:07	VanessaE	status code
15:07	hmmmm	i know ;;
15:07	hmmmm	stratus rather
15:07	hmmmm	he said that's not the way it's supposed to look
15:07	VanessaE	er stratus
15:07	Exio	hahaha
15:07	VanessaE	still
15:07	Exio	[12:03:18] <@VanessaE> "This shit needs a total rewrite" -hmmmm in 2 months.
15:07	VanessaE	put that underground and make it thin and you've got a winner
15:08	hmmmm	oh - yeah - i have it at height = 7
15:08	kaeza1	PilzAdam, suggestion: make minetest.register_node use selection_box = node_box for those nodes that don't explicitly give a selectionbox (and are of "nodebox" drawtype)
15:08	hmmmm	which was the default for something
15:08	RealBadAngel	https://www.google.pl/search?q=minetest+stratus&hl=pl&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=s3NMUZenA4nXPZO5gbAB&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1349&bih=600#imgrc=ObA8q-erFNn3aM%3A%3BNJJTCeFvANmHLM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252F1.bp.blogspot.com%252F-Nrg-RATVguI%252FUEKEDAUecxI%252FAAAAAAAAAF4%252F37E3TYd7MKA%252Fs1600%252FDSC_0453.JPG%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fforum.minetest.net%252Fviewtopic.php%253Fid%253D3213%3B1600%3B1071
15:08	Exio	wtf
15:08	hmmmm	jeezus
15:08	kaeza1	wut
15:08	Exio	RealBadAngel: real link, please
15:08	VanessaE	hmmmm: use this code to implement my idea of hard iron at the base of the map + lava/magma just above :-)
15:08	NekoGloop	Can you please stop copying the link out of google.
15:08	PilzAdam	BAN!
15:08	VanessaE	(or not)
15:08	NekoGloop	PilzAdam, stop being a tyrant.
15:08	RealBadAngel	ooops
15:09	RealBadAngel	http://explorock.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/10_estratigrafc3ada-tc3adpica-de-la-formacion-pamplona.jpg
15:09	VanessaE	http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nrg-RATVguI/UEKEDAUecxI/AAAAAAAAAF4/37E3TYd7MKA/s1600/DSC_0453.JPG
15:09	hmmmm	well, you can do that yourself
15:09	VanessaE	the real link ^^^^^^
15:09	hmmmm	by calling register_ore
15:09	mauvebic	why do selection boxes not highlight at certain angles?
15:09	VanessaE	mauvebic: known bug
15:09	RealBadAngel	http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nrg-RATVguI/UEKEDAUecxI/AAAAAAAAAF4/37E3TYd7MKA/s1600/DSC_0453.JPG
15:09	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: ninja'd
15:09	hmmmm	RealBadAngel, so it's just supposed to be a layer like that?
15:09	NekoGloop	Actually he ninja'd you.
15:09	VanessaE	[03-22 11:10] <VanessaE> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nrg-RATVguI/UEKEDAUecxI/AAAAAAAAAF4/37E3TYd7MKA/s1600/DSC_0453.JPG
15:09	VanessaE	[03-22 11:10] <RealBadAngel> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nrg-RATVguI/UEKEDAUecxI/AAAAAAAAAF4/37E3TYd7MKA/s1600/DSC_0453.JPG
15:09	VanessaE	:-)
15:09	hmmmm	the problem was that it's too thick?
15:09	NekoGloop	that's your end
15:10	VanessaE	hmmmm: in your example yeah, but that's nothing from nothing.
15:10	VanessaE	oh
15:10	NekoGloop	:-)
15:10	VanessaE	reading comprehension FAIL
15:10	VanessaE	"_
15:10	VanessaE	:)
15:11	kaeza1	how about we add Mako to the center of the earth?
15:11	VanessaE	Mako?
15:11	kaeza1	:P
15:11	NekoGloop	FF7 reference ftw
15:11	kaeza1	^ not firefox
15:12	hmmmm	you know, honestly
15:12	VanessaE	who still uses firefox 7? ;)
15:12	hmmmm	i can do a way better job
15:12	VanessaE	hmmmm: hm?
15:12	hmmmm	i'm going to do my own "stratus" code and i'll show you guys the result
15:12	kaeza1	hmmmmite
15:12	NekoGloop	Add a cloud layer! Make the clouds be momentum-absorbing!
15:13	NekoGloop	(i.e. the cushions from jumping mod)
15:13	mauvebic	kaeza : started coroutine spawn of dominion battleship last night, still going strong this morning
15:13	RealBadAngel	hmmm Just Do Ir (tm)
15:13	RealBadAngel	*it
15:13	hmmmm	i don't mean to insult the guy who originally wrote the stratus ore code, but it's horrid
15:14	hmmmm	and the result isn't spectacular either
15:14	kaeza1	mauvebic, small price to pay for srver responsiveness I think
15:14	kaeza1	+e
15:14	mauvebic	im not complaining lol so far there dont seem to be any "holes" (im guessing ittl be 100% first spawn)
15:14	kaeza1	I didn't think it would be used on such many nodes
15:15	hmmmm	i'm going to get a blob shape by perlin noise, then and then randomize the y height and starting pos slightly
15:15	mauvebic	such many nodes?
15:15	kaeza1	mauvebic, isn't your ship like 2.5 km lon?
15:15	kaeza1	+g
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15:15	mauvebic	the dom. battleship is 1.245 km long :P (the limit of binvox until i fix it)
15:16	mauvebic	but thats where coroutines come in handy: adding billions of nodes lol
15:16	mauvebic	if the grid was full you'd have 1 929 781 125 nodes
15:17	Traxie21	Is calinou on?
15:17	kaeza1	well... you can tweak it to make more than one "line" each pass at the cost of less server responsiveness
15:17	mauvebic	well at first i did yield() after x number of add nodes
15:17	mauvebic	but that slowed down the server where there were alot of empty spaces (cuz loop still iterates)
15:18	mauvebic	so i set it yield() to happen after n number of iterations (500)
15:18	mauvebic	i could prolly get away with 1000
15:18	kaeza1	then just make it skip air nodes if that can be done
15:18	kaeza1	and only yield every 500 actual set nodes
15:18	mauvebic	w/ a binvox you cant skip air nodes, its 1D array representing 3d coordinates using the index, so i have to count the empty ones regardless
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15:19	mauvebic	if i dont count the air nodes, youll end up with a neat pile of bricks (much like Mr. Fawlty's garden wall)
15:20	mauvebic	'when i asked you to build me a garden wall i thought rather than just dumping the bricks in a pile you might have found time to cement them together in the traditional fashion?" :p
15:21	mauvebic	problem with yielding only on add nodes is the array can go several thousand iterations of air
15:24	mauvebic	coroutines would prolly do a world of good for mobs too hint lol
15:25	kaeza1	hmm...
15:25	VanessaE	hmmmm: what's the story with finding a way to force-regeneration of unspoiled map areas? are we any closer to being able to do that?
15:25	kaeza1	skipping nodes is way faster than replacing, so you may for example use 2000 nodes or so when skipping air
15:25	hmmmm	deleting that block?
15:26	hmmmm	it's trivial if you know how to use the sqlite3 tool
15:26	VanessaE	that's the problem :-)
15:26	VanessaE	I don't know shit from shinola about that
15:26	kaeza1	but use only like 500 for real replacements
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15:26	hmmmm	yea.. well
15:27	mauvebic	sucks that you cant use the sqlquery browser on sqlite lol
15:29	VanessaE	what's needed is a visualization tool, something like minetestmapper, but that renders everything found in colors.txt in grayscale, with some sort of colored highlight to show built-up areas. let the user select areas to be deleted, with a quick selection for those not-built-up areas.
15:29	mauvebic	well weather or not the spawn routine adds a node its the # of iterations that lockup the server, the value is high enough if you didn't know what was happenning you'd think it was an infinity loop
15:30	mauvebic	simpler solution might be something like /unset chunk p1,p2
15:30	mauvebic	dont really need a GUI when you have multiple mapping choices
15:31	hmmmm	well
15:31	VanessaE	mauvebic: the problem is being able to mentally map sections to numbers
15:31	VanessaE	which very few people could do
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15:31	hmmmm	i'll add it in i guess
15:31	kaeza2	mauvebic: if you know the file size beforehand, you may show the player a progress indicator every say 5%
15:31	mauvebic	what about pilzadam? his maps seems to have lines/numbers
15:31	hmmmm	along with some other things like force-reset emerge queue
15:31	mauvebic	progress indicator is in yes :-) index/tablesize
15:31	mauvebic	i make no predictions on time, but you at least know how much % is done
15:31	VanessaE	his maps don't indicate record numbers in sqlite, just coordinates.
15:32	PilzAdam	mauvebic, hm?
15:32	mauvebic	yeah but they could be tweaked to
15:32	mauvebic	PilzAdam how did you get those lines/numbers on your map?
15:32	VanessaE	minetestmapper.py --drawscale
15:32	PilzAdam	^
15:32	mauvebic	ah shit
15:32	mauvebic	lol
15:33	VanessaE	http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/VanessaE_World_Map.png
15:33	VanessaE	same thing on my map, mauvebic
15:33	mauvebic	i thought that param meant "draw TO scale" lol
15:33	jojoa1997\|Tablet	guys
15:33	PilzAdam	VanessaE, although I have used the c++ mapper
15:33	mauvebic	i prefer the C++ mapper
15:33	mauvebic	it takes 10 minutes on my map
15:33	VanessaE	PilzAdam: as do I. ^^^ that image was generated thusly.
15:33	mauvebic	imagine the python one lol
15:33	jojoa1997\|Tablet	what would you think about having obsidian tanks where you can store water and lava
15:33	PilzAdam	but it cuts the map off at 700
15:33	PilzAdam	Exio,
15:34	mauvebic	okay, so alls we gotta do is tweak the mapper to show sqlite indexes for the appropriate chunks
15:34	VanessaE	--geometry -5000:-5000+10000+10000
15:34	mauvebic	700? i compiled a version that maps 10K in every direction
15:34	VanessaE	that's the param I used to get such a large map.
15:34	kaeza	jojoa1997\|Tablet, point?
15:34	jojoa1997\|Tablet	so people can have multiple lava nodes but
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15:35	jojoa1997\|Tablet	they wont have to place them
15:35	VanessaE	PilzAdam: you have to make sure the map isn't being written do when you run the mapper, that's what causes it to get cut off.
15:35	VanessaE	s/the map isn't/the world isn't/
15:35	PilzAdam	yea, I did that
15:36	mauvebic	what i should do is write a tweak to misc_register and have register_node generate a colors.txt automat.
15:37	Traxie21	Any win32 compiled minetest for the latest git?
15:37	PilzAdam	I could do a build now
15:37	Traxie21	please, or instructions on how with MingGW
15:37	Traxie21	gtg, bbl
15:40	jojoa1997\|Tablet	pilzadam could you start a minetest_survival on github
15:40	PilzAdam	no
15:42	Exio	PilzAdam: hehe :P
15:43	Exio	minetest_game will NOT have every mod what is in the forum
15:43	Exio	here!
15:43	jojoa1997\|Tablet	nononono
15:43	jojoa1997\|Tablet	pilzadam i mean like how common was added
15:43	jojoa1997\|Tablet	it isnt another mod i mean another gamemode
15:44	PilzAdam	Exio's statement was to the obsidian tanks
15:44	jojoa1997\|Tablet	oh
15:44	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i am making a mmod
15:45	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i dont want tanks in default
15:45	jojoa1997\|Tablet	it will be very hacky and underdeveloped(my first mod with formspecs)
15:46	NekoGloop	Aren't the rest of your mods hacky?
15:46	VanessaE	name one of anyones' mods that isn't :)
15:47	jojoa1997\|Tablet	no
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15:47	jojoa1997\|Tablet	NekoGloop display-blocks, megatools
15:47	PilzAdam	VanessaE, farming
15:47	jojoa1997\|Tablet	they arent hacky
15:48	NekoGloop	VanessaE, moreblocks
15:48	VanessaE	homedecor ;)
15:49	NekoGloop	actually...
15:49	NekoGloop	You don't use sounds properly STILL if I'm not misaken
15:49	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam, i want screwdriver for upcoming 6d Facedir
15:49	VanessaE	NekoGloop: kaeza fixed some of that
15:49	NekoGloop	And you don't have the tabletops being olid
15:49	VanessaE	most things now use wood sounds I think
15:49	NekoGloop	solid*
15:49	NekoGloop	That doesn't mean they're correct ;)
15:50	kaeza	VanessaE, homedecor not hacky? LOL
15:50	RealBadAngel	is wishlist closed already? ;()
15:50	jojoa1997\|Tablet	npc aint hacky
15:50	VanessaE	kaeza: not as hacky as plants_lib :D
15:50	jojoa1997\|Tablet	or what is about it
15:50	NekoGloop	RealBadAngel, no, pilz is just a tyrant and nothing can be added to his precious minetest_game
15:52	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam, that is very true. You shall work together with some1 with different attitude. I recommend VanessaE for creating a team responsible for minetest_game
15:52	kaeza	^
15:53	PilzAdam	I actually ask VanessaE about every addition already
15:53	jojoa1997\|Tablet	^+1234567890
15:53	jojoa1997\|Tablet	well she should be able to push then
15:53	VanessaE	yeah and then I shoot down most of his ideas but he does them anyway ;-)
15:53	VanessaE	jojoa1997\|Tablet: no.
15:53	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam, just work together
15:53	VanessaE	I do not want access to the repos.
15:53	jojoa1997\|Tablet	gtg lunch is over
15:53	jojoa1997\|Tablet	why?
15:54	RealBadAngel	VanessaE, you shall be granted
15:54	kaeza	VanessaE, chickenshit ;)
15:54	kaeza	:trollface:
15:54	VanessaE	kaeza: yes? your point being......?
15:54	VanessaE	;)
15:54	RealBadAngel	yeah
15:54	jojoa1997\|Tablet	bawk bawk bawk
15:54	RealBadAngel	chicken?
15:54	NekoGloop	chicken is a nice way of saying coward.
15:55	NekoGloop	(or mean, dependent on the context)
15:55	* RealBadAngel	can see some chickens aroud
15:55	kaeza	yes, they are there ----------------------------------------->
15:55	NekoGloop	loluserlistischickenlist
15:56	RealBadAngel	imho PilzAdam and VanessaE, will make perfect maintainers pair for minetest_game
15:56	NekoGloop	imo me and VanessaE would. fck pilz. :)
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15:56	RealBadAngel	theyre both workin on extremes
15:57	kaeza	NekoGloop, you'll prolly turn everything into cats
15:57	RealBadAngel	if they meet in middle, it will be perfect
15:57	NekoGloop	kaeza, problem?
15:58	kaeza	none at all sir/ma'am
15:58	mauvebic	i thinnk i like C55s'' idea to leave the current game alone and expand on a copy of it
15:58	RealBadAngel	NekoGloop, youre out, youre to unpredicteable
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15:58	RealBadAngel	*too
15:58	mauvebic	before you end up with a game that just 10-20% of users keep for a,b,c reasons lol
15:59	mauvebic	call the new one moretest or mine+ lol
15:59	kaeza	mauvebic, in the current scheme, only 5% of users have the game as-is
15:59	NekoGloop	I just sit here in the chat room
15:59	NekoGloop	I don't even play minetest, you all are just making it shit :)
16:00	RealBadAngel	NekoGloop, yeah yeah. who yoy would like to lie? :P
16:00	NekoGloop	What is this grammar i don't even
16:00	RealBadAngel	youre addicted.
16:00	mauvebic	well i haven't played minetest_game in a year lol
16:01	kaeza	anyway, I starved in game
16:01	NekoGloop	addicted to...?
16:01	kaeza	and it didn't crash! \o/
16:01	mauvebic	anyone who's been here long enough got bored with it a long time ago
16:01	RealBadAngel	mt
16:01	mauvebic	if anything minetest_Game is for the benefit of newbies
16:01	NekoGloop	lol, I've seriously not touched it for gameplay since... I got here.
16:02	RealBadAngel	mauvebic, i suggest not pointin certain folks with finger
16:02	mauvebic	lol what do you mean?
16:02	RealBadAngel	otherwise you can stick finger into your own eye
16:02	mauvebic	i still dont understand the original statement lol
16:03	RealBadAngel	are you bored?
16:03	NekoGloop	Don't point the blame at someone
16:03	mauvebic	what are both of you talking about?
16:03	RealBadAngel	too many statements at the same time lol
16:04	mauvebic	something about pointing fingers, fingers in eye, but i dont get it lol
16:04	* john_minetest	puts a bunch of octokittens on NekoGloop's head
16:04	mauvebic	im talking about minetest_game being for newbies lol
16:05	NekoGloop	yay i have github-kittenz
16:05	RealBadAngel	not just _game
16:05	RealBadAngel	mt needs installer
16:05	NekoGloop	And it needs an autoupdater
16:06	RealBadAngel	yes
16:06	PilzAdam	and it needs a faster mapgen, better lighting, weather, per player physics...
16:06	RealBadAngel	lately i convinced my friends family to play mt
16:06	RealBadAngel	they do now
16:07	PilzAdam	support for JS mods, entitiy collision...
16:07	RealBadAngel	but i had to install it for them
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16:09	mauvebic	JS mods?
16:09	mauvebic	good heavens
16:09	VanessaE	G*d no.
16:10	VanessaE	that's the last thing MT needs is js crap
16:10	mauvebic	cant we fix the bugs with the current engine/api first before throwing in another language?
16:10	RealBadAngel	ok, im off definitely.have to. cya later
16:10	VanessaE	if you want to add another language, add a way to write mods in C++.
16:10	VanessaE	cia, RBA
16:10	VanessaE	ciao*
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16:12	mauvebic	nodebox flicker, nodebox selection boxes, accidental node replacement, these have been with us for a while now :p
16:12	mauvebic	and JS wont enable me to hack around those :p
16:13	Jordach	VanessaE, my towers been running for a day now :3
16:14	VanessaE	cool
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16:16	ironzorg	VanessaE \| if you want to add another language, add a way to write mods in C++. // this has been heavily argued about in the past, I don't think this is ever going to happen
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16:16	VanessaE	ironzorg: oh, probably not.
16:16	ironzorg	in the past meaning just before lua mods were added
16:16	VanessaE	but that's the only legit reason to add a new language.
16:17	VanessaE	now that we have Lua I mean
16:17	Traxie21	Is Calinou on?
16:17	mauvebic	well with c++ mods, technically you wouldn't be adding a language? youd be using the underlying api calls/functions/wtv?
16:17	PilzAdam	Traxie21, win build done
16:17	Traxie21	Just downloaded :3
16:18	Traxie21	Ironically, idk why I use xyz's builds, My graphics card dosnt support directx at all
16:18	VanessaE	too bad you don't run debian on amd64. you could use my builds :)
16:18	Traxie21	heh
16:18	Traxie21	I should really get a decent usb drive and install something else on it
16:18	Traxie21	I'm sick of Windows
16:19	Traxie21	EDIT: I should really get a decent job, and get a computer with something else on it.
16:19	VanessaE	get almost anything debian-based and you can't go wrong
16:19	PilzAdam	Kubuntu ftw
16:20	Traxie21	Oh God
16:20	Traxie21	Adam, we need a new Pull Request
16:20	Traxie21	*feature
16:20	Traxie21	Better resolution support
16:20	Traxie21	I have no idea what Ngleplayr is
16:21	mauvebic	KDE :/
16:21	Traxie21	or Cli En t
16:21	Traxie21	or MINETESTMI
16:21	PilzAdam	Traxie21, dunno what causes this in my win builds, its fine in Linux though
16:21	Traxie21	is
16:22	Traxie21	Seems to be my resolution, or texture/driver problems
16:22	PilzAdam	btw: I can add you to the Minitest repo if you want to
16:22	Traxie21	I must say, Adam, you are good at a lot of things, but textures is not one of them
16:23	Traxie21	:3
16:23	PilzAdam	:-)
16:23	thexyz	Traxie21: because mine are the most awesomest ones?
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16:23	Traxie21	thexyz: Because I clicked that link first? </creatureofhabit>
16:23	VanessaE	I thought we were getting rid of those words along the left side anyway
16:23	Traxie21	Yeah, they're a waste of space
16:24	VanessaE	Traxie21: my 16px HDX should be the default texture pack :)
16:24	Traxie21	No please
16:24	mauvebic	i made some halfway decent 32p textures for default :p
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16:25	PilzAdam	Traxie21, added you to MIniTest, just dont break anything
16:25	Traxie21	I wont
16:25	Traxie21	I actually already updated most of the mods on the local game
16:25	PilzAdam	add yourself to README.txt as a dev if you want to
16:25	Traxie21	The bows seem really unreliable though...
16:26	Traxie21	Only after I do something :P
16:26	Traxie21	someone who works in C++, idea: allow toggling of collision box drawing on entities.
16:26	mauvebic	? physical = false
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16:27	Jordach	VanessaE, your TP becoming default; YEAH RIGHT
16:27	VanessaE	I was kidding
16:27	mauvebic	can you set_yaw on the box? (for rectangular shaped entities like box cars,etc.)
16:27	Jordach	i could shit a pack much better than that
16:27	Traxie21	Mauv
16:27	thexyz	Jordach: do that.
16:27	PilzAdam	oh, about HDX: KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!
16:27	Traxie21	nope
16:27	kaeza	what's wrong with HDX?
16:27	PilzAdam	it looks horrible
16:27	kaeza	it's preeteh
16:28	Jordach	you know what, we should have Gambit's PixelBOX as default
16:28	mauvebic	its kinda grainy on my screens
16:28	mauvebic	25" LED and 25" ACl
16:28	Traxie21	VanessaE: Homedecor is awesome, but needs better corner shingles
16:29	kaeza	14'' CRT and they look fine
16:29	mauvebic	on a CRT yeah
16:29	Jordach	I have a identical screensize to VanessaE
16:29	VanessaE	Traxie21: ask hmmmm or c55 or darkrose or thexyz to code an appropriate draw type.
16:29	mauvebic	flat screens can light up half a floor lol
16:29	VanessaE	or use a metric assload of nodeboxes to fake it
16:29	Traxie21	you need about 4-8 nodeboxes
16:29	PilzAdam	Traxie21, about MiniTest: the plan is to include default from common and override stuff in mod called "minitest"
16:30	thexyz	what drawtype?
16:30	mauvebic	where are the common mods stored?
16:30	PilzAdam	games/common
16:30	markveidemanis	Hi
16:30	mauvebic	easy enough to play w/
16:31	Traxie21	ok
16:31	mauvebic	im just not all that hot on fire/buckets (griefing mostly_)
16:31	Traxie21	I need to get up-to-speed on how to use common
16:31	mauvebic	the same way you play with any other mod folder
16:31	VanessaE	Traxie21: it wouldn't work with the smooth 45Â° slope of the roofs. you'd need to use a shitload of really small nodeboxes and fake it.
16:31	mauvebic	4/8 nodeboxes
16:32	mauvebic	unless people arrive from the rooftop they wont notice more detail than that
16:32	Traxie21	hmm
16:32	mauvebic	you dont wanna see my chain nodebox lol
16:32	Traxie21	PilzAdam: So basically anything from comon will be loaded into all other games?
16:32	mauvebic	unless you delete the mods yeah
16:33	PilzAdam	Traxie21, not everything and not into every game
16:33	mauvebic	or tweak them to register seperate privs for them
16:33	PilzAdam	but they are used by many games so there is no need to copy them all the time
16:33	mauvebic	copy and end up with varying versions of default
16:33	mauvebic	in diff games
16:34	ShadowNinja	Traxie21: you don't have to copy the same mod over to a game, now you add common_mods=bucket,default,whatever to game.conf
16:34	Traxie21	ok
16:34	Traxie21	MiniTest is intended to clone MC as best as possible riht?
16:34	PilzAdam	yep
16:34	PilzAdam	do you play MC?
16:34	Traxie21	Yep
16:35	PilzAdam	good
16:35	PilzAdam	(I dont)
16:35	Traxie21	Or, I did, but my fav server closed
16:36	mauvebic	i think my server beats their star trek server for sheer # and size of ships lol
16:37	Traxie21	VanessaE, your HDX pack is great, just not my type
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16:38	Traxie21	PilzAdam: Time for some retexturing
16:38	rubenwardy	hi all
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16:39	VanessaE	hey rubenwardy
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16:41	rubenwardy	Menche here?
16:41	rubenwardy	no.
16:41	kaeza1	okay shit. everyone complains that minetest has not good survival gameplay that it has no real dangers, yet no one gives a fuck about survival_modpack
16:42	kaeza1	hai ruben
16:43	VanessaE	kaeza1: I don't complain :-)
16:43	Traxie21	Erm
16:43	Traxie21	Urm
16:44	Traxie21	uhh
16:44	LAD	does any one want to volintere for the 2013 "The Walls" PvP match??
16:44	LAD	i only need 2 ?
16:44	markveidemanis	How can i talk to OldCoder?
16:44	LAD	mark one sec
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16:44	VanessaE	markveidemanis: try just talking to him?
16:44	markveidemanis	Hes not here
16:44	LAD	OldCoder is not online at the moment
16:45	LAD	but if you go to #OldCoder he is sually there
16:45	VanessaE	so wait till he shows up.
16:45	LAD	i mean #oldcoder
16:45	LAD	mark do you want to join The walls PvP game?
16:46	Traxie21	LAD, how soon does it start?
16:46	LAD	Traxie im counting on some time next week
16:46	kaeza	might as well reserve it for my local server
16:46	kaeza	it makes a great pair with mobf
16:46	LAD	because Joajoa1997 is going to vacation the week after next weeek
16:46	rubenwardy	hi kaeza
16:47	Traxie21	I warned you Xd
16:47	LAD	lol yea but it actuly went by pretty fast.. faster than ithoguth
16:47	LAD	it's only been maby what a weeek and a bit and i only need 2 more people
16:48	kaeza	rubenwardy, are you still working on your "Minetest Extensions" site?
16:48	rubenwardy	yes
16:48	rubenwardy	I have not committed my changes for a while
16:48	kaeza	may I suggest a few changes?
16:48	rubenwardy	of course
16:48	markveidemanis	LAD, sure, when is it on
16:49	kaeza	ah, then maybe what I have to say was already done, but add at least a "Like" label to the "like" button; it's a bit confusing since it's right under "Download"
16:50	kaeza	looks like an actual download button
16:50	Traxie21	PilzAdam: MiniTest using the common files causes the textures to be like normal MT
16:50	LAD	im hopeing sometime next week Mark
16:50	rubenwardy	Yeah, I was planning to do that.
16:51	rubenwardy	I just need a good like button icon
16:51	PilzAdam	Traxie21, have you created a mod named "MIniTest" wich depends on default and has all the textures?
16:51	PilzAdam	*minitest
16:51	Traxie21	O_o
16:51	Traxie21	Nope
16:51	Traxie21	games/minitest
16:51	LAD	markveidemanis i was planing some time enxt week
16:51	rubenwardy	I want to have a thumbs up to the left in a box, with space for number of likes
16:53	LAD	markveidemanis what team yellow or green
16:53	kaeza	sounds reasonable
16:53	markveidemanis	green
16:55	Traxie21	PilzAdam, I think I get what you're saying
16:58	markveidemanis	I remember as a child waiting for santa to come
16:58	markveidemanis	then there was the awkward silence as he got dressed and left...
16:58	markveidemanis	LOL
16:59	Traxie21	Ok, it works now
16:59	kaeza	O.o
17:00	markveidemanis	i dont expect anyone here to get that
17:00	Traxie21	I got it O_o
17:00	markveidemanis	funny joke?
17:00	Traxie21	inappropriate more like it
17:00	markveidemanis	lol the kids these days
17:00	markveidemanis	Im 12 HAHAHAHAH
17:01	Traxie21	I'm 21 :3
17:02	markveidemanis	wanna hear an even ruder one or a nicer one
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17:02	NekoGloop	I'm 88
17:02	markveidemanis	I'm 69
17:03	markveidemanis	I keep getting confused about Homophobia and Claustrophobia. What is the one anout being in a closet?
17:03	ironzorg	is this an edick contest ?
17:04	rubenwardy	markveidemanis: lol
17:04	markveidemanis	go to http://paste.pound-python.org/show/31520/ for jokes
17:06	kaeza	interesting stuff https://bitbucket.org/celeron55/minetest/src
17:07	kaeza	wonder if it will even compile
17:08	kaeza	actually, maybe
17:09	ironzorg	kaeza: feeling nostalgic ?
17:10	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: how do you make backups on your server, just cp?
17:10	kaeza	ironzorg, I still play 0.2 sometimes
17:10	kaeza	interesting terrain ^_^
17:12	PilzAdam	kaeza, play NMPR
17:12	PilzAdam	its not bloated
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17:13	mauvebic	NMPR?
17:13	Dante123	hi all
17:13	mauvebic	fps?
17:13	PilzAdam	http://dev.minetest.net/Core_Architecture
17:13	Dante123	21 kids were able to login to the server today and it worked fairly well
17:14	PilzAdam	Dante123, nice
17:14	Dante123	I have three or four questions. How we get rid of water if it is flooding a village?
17:14	Dante123	Trying to find the source but not sure how the kids did that
17:14	PilzAdam	you have to place a block in the sourceblock of the water
17:15	Dante123	I've had trouble finding the source
17:15	Dante123	to do that
17:15	mauvebic	can also remove buckets/sources from the inventory
17:15	PilzAdam	Dante123, just place dirt in all the water blocks, one of it has to be the source block
17:16	Dante123	Also, how do I give myself (using a different login at school than at home) admin privileges if I am at school and cant do it from home? Or do I have to do it at home first, for the account I use at school
17:16	Traxie21	PilzAdam: Added textures for obsidian and dyes
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17:16	PilzAdam	Dante123, go to world/your_world/auth.txt and give you the privs there
17:16	Traxie21	Working on your farming mod now
17:16	Dante123	okay, but I will have to do that from home......right now Im at school
17:16	PilzAdam	Traxie21, Id like to see one commit per feature/fix
17:17	Dante123	can a simple water bucket be the source for a whole town flooding?
17:17	PilzAdam	Dante123, or, if you have the "privs" privilege, you can use the /privs command to grant players the admin privs
17:18	PilzAdam	yes, that is possible
17:18	Dante123	but I would have to be logged in from home to give those privileges.....and I cant right now because im at school. Ok i will do that later today.
17:18	Traxie21	Pilz, tell me you dont mean per-texture...
17:18	Traxie21	*adam
17:18	PilzAdam	no, not per texture
17:19	Traxie21	so, per-mod then?
17:19	PilzAdam	but seperate commits for "Add farming", "Change textures" etc.
17:19	PilzAdam	(just like the commits in the minetest repo)
17:19	Traxie21	since all I've done really is change textures, can I just commit all the texture changes?
17:19	PilzAdam	yes
17:20	antruxit	hello, i'm french so i apologize if i do mistakes :)
17:20	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: I have a script I run that backs up all of my files via rsync, minetest stuff gets caught by it.
17:21	ShadowNinja	ah, I just finish writing an rsync backup script
17:22	* ShadowNinja	needs a good external hard drive
17:22	antruxit	i'm new to minetest and i try to code a bit, could some one help me to change the behavior of fences?
17:23	PilzAdam	https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/commits/fencelike
17:23	antruxit	thanks :)
17:23	Traxie21	Zomg
17:24	Traxie21	Adam, if theres one thing minecraft totally owns you at, its textures. now pumpkins look like... pumpkins.
17:24	PilzAdam	also better sounds would be nice
17:26	mauvebic	does fire still use those sounds that sound like... well.. uhm.. skrillex? :p
17:26	Traxie21	Sounds later
17:27	ironzorg	dubstep fire
17:27	ironzorg	â†‘ feature
17:28	mauvebic	dunno if the grass still sounds like eggshells, i changed those a long time ago, aparently MC uses the ones from freesound.org
17:28	Traxie21	gtg, bbl
17:28	mauvebic	which aint a good enuff reason not to use 'em :)
17:29	mauvebic	weird, why is lighting even on nodes but not even on nodeboxes (slabs) ?
17:30	kaeza	VanessaE, BTW, seen the problem ShadowNinja posted?
17:30	VanessaE	?
17:30	kaeza	regarding protection in signs
17:30	VanessaE	oh yeah, saw that
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17:30	VanessaE	all you gotta do is call the homedecor_node_is_owned() function, if it returns nil, either you own the node or it is not owned at all.
17:30	VanessaE	(I think)
17:31	VanessaE	use that to decide whether to apply the action in questiokn
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17:31	VanessaE	question*
17:31	kaeza	I already fixed that
17:31	VanessaE	oh ok
17:32	VanessaE	odd, I didn't get a notification from github.
17:32	VanessaE	(in email)
17:32	kaeza	I'll see if I can SPAM a pull request for a three line change
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17:32	VanessaE	"this pull request cannot be automatically merged"
17:32	VanessaE	:(
17:32	kaeza	wot
17:32	kaeza	ah
17:32	VanessaE	https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor/pull/9
17:32	kaeza	that's the old one
17:32	VanessaE	shall I just close it?
17:33	kaeza	yes please
17:33	VanessaE	done
17:33	VanessaE	go ahead and hit me with the new ones when you're ready
17:33	VanessaE	unlike some people here, I don't mind too much ;-)
17:33	PilzAdam	VanessaE, do never click the "merge" button in GitHuv
17:33	PilzAdam	*GitHub
17:34	PilzAdam	it creates a merge commit
17:34	VanessaE	PilzAdam: I never have had a problem with it.
17:34	PilzAdam	why does anyone need two commits for one feature?
17:34	VanessaE	why does it matter?
17:34	VanessaE	blame github.
17:36	mauvebic	github is practically a lanaguage unto itself lol
17:36	kaeza	ok
17:36	PilzAdam	github is just a git repo hosting service
17:37	mauvebic	and a PITA lol
17:37	VanessaE	github could just as easily do a (as you would call it) proper commit as easily as it does a merge.
17:37	VanessaE	when you control the server and the repository, you control what happens to it.
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17:38	mauvebic	imo, anything who's intent is to make group programming easier but requires it's own learning curve is sortof a failure
17:39	PilzAdam	git is a powerful tool
17:39	mauvebic	not saying git is bad, the UI could benefit from an english version tho lol
17:40	mauvebic	or the first people who implement an easy to understand interface will prolly take alot of githubs' pie
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17:45	mauvebic	http://www.zimg.eu/i/3782919783
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18:06	jordan4ibanez	YoYoBuddy is a troll
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18:13	mauvebic	should make people happy : http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5217
18:14	PilzAdam	no, it doesnt make people happy
18:14	PilzAdam	they will still bitch around
18:14	NekoGloop	No, it just makes pilz bitchy
18:14	mauvebic	pull it and offer it with game and minimal
18:15	VanessaE	bbl
18:17	mauvebic	or replace minimal with it
18:17	PilzAdam	no, minimal is in the engine repo and should stay there
18:18	mauvebic	anyone play w/ it tho?
18:18	PilzAdam	no, its for testing engine stuff
18:18	mauvebic	allright than pull the other game as classic :p
18:18	mauvebic	*then
18:19	mauvebic	maybe then people will stop tha bitchin' lol
18:21	Traxie21	Adam
18:22	Traxie21	How would I arrange the pull requests?
18:22	Traxie21	I have the common system, added textures mod, and changed a crapton of textures... how do I revert each change per-request?
18:22	Traxie21	I have yet to set up a repo
18:24	PilzAdam	you can push directly to my repo
18:25	Traxie21	I meant a local repo
18:26	jordan4ibanez	I think you should ignore the people who are negative about the game and focus on what you would like to see in the game, along with the other developers
18:26	jordan4ibanez	pilzadam *
18:27	PilzAdam	I do
18:29	Traxie21	Adam, I'm commiting.
18:29	Traxie21	Can you tell me if I'm doing it right?
18:29	PilzAdam	sure
18:29	Traxie21	pushing....
18:30	Traxie21	Done
18:30	Traxie21	https://github.com/PilzAdam/MiniTest
18:30	PilzAdam	add newlines to the end of files
18:30	Traxie21	hm?
18:31	Traxie21	I only modified game.conf, I should add newlines to that?
18:33	Traxie21	Added newlines to game.conf
18:34	rubenwardy	new food mod promotional image: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/my_mods/food/banner.png
18:35	PilzAdam	Traxie21, why mintest.conf?
18:36	Traxie21	</failspelling>
18:36	Traxie21	Meant game.conf
18:36	Traxie21	one sec, updating mods
18:38	Traxie21	What does "add newlines to the end of files mean?"
18:38	PilzAdam	just add a blank line at the bottom of each file
18:38	Traxie21	ok
18:38	Traxie21	Do you want me to do that on all of your files?
18:38	Traxie21	the only text I've modified is README.txt and game.conf
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18:39	PilzAdam	you should also update the other mods from minetest_game
18:39	Traxie21	hm?
18:39	PilzAdam	like creative
18:39	Traxie21	creative_inventory and such?
18:41	Traxie21	Alrighty, can you test the latest commit?
18:41	Traxie21	Its the same as my local game
18:42	PilzAdam	better rename the textures mod into minitest
18:42	PilzAdam	and add all the other stuff into its init.lua
18:43	PilzAdam	(i.e. everything that needs to be overridden from default)
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18:44	PilzAdam	for example replace mese with diamonds
18:45	Traxie21	Will do that in a bit, but I'm still updating mods. At 2, I need to go too.
18:45	mauvebic	diamonds, gold, stuff that makes mining fun :-)
18:45	PilzAdam	yea, all this goes to minitest mod
18:45	mauvebic	and all the extra stone you could put into some sort of furnace to make lava
18:46	PilzAdam	no, not that
18:46	Traxie21	How do I override mese with diamonds anyhow?
18:46	mauvebic	what would you do with it all
18:46	PilzAdam	minetest.register_node(":default:mese", {...})
18:46	rubenwardy	Traxie21: you would have to delete the mese definition, and do an alias
18:46	PilzAdam	do it for all the mese stuff
18:47	Traxie21	ok....
18:47	rubenwardy	or just change it in default like pilzadam said
18:47	Traxie21	Oi, I don't have that much time XD
18:47	PilzAdam	can you delete defintions?
18:47	rubenwardy	delete the mese definition: if possibl
18:47	rubenwardy	e
18:47	mauvebic	yall wanna get rid of mese/blocks/shards/crystalS?
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18:47	PilzAdam	Traxie21, you dont have to do everything in one day
18:47	Traxie21	Hmm
18:47	PilzAdam	leave yourself some time
18:48	Traxie21	Mabye add a TODO section to Readme.txt
18:48	Traxie21	Else I will forget
18:48	PilzAdam	no
18:48	PilzAdam	write it somewere else in your docs
18:48	PilzAdam	but not in the README
18:49	Traxie21	Mabye I should PM myself :3
18:49	rubenwardy	my web server is too popular for the plan:
18:49	rubenwardy	Warning: mysql_pconnect() [function.mysql-pconnect]: Too many connections in /home/u372522788/public_html/...
18:50	rubenwardy	(18:34:47) rubenwardy: new food mod promotional image: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/my_mods/food/banner.png
18:50	rubenwardy	just realised there is a cursor in there
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18:52	rubenwardy	fixed :P
18:53	rubenwardy	I am currently working on this: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/my_mods/food/index.php?mode=search
19:01	STHGOM	goodluck
19:02	Traxie21	diamonds aliased
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19:22	Jordach	hai OldCoder
19:22	OldCoder	Jordach, Hello
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19:38	jojoa1997\|Tablet	pilzadam ping
19:38	PilzAdam	pong
19:38	jojoa1997\|Tablet	i suggest moving common somewhere else because it comes up as a game itself
19:39	jojoa1997\|Tablet	it is meant to be behind the scenes not a game
19:39	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, fix technic; it calls default.generate_ore wrong
19:39	PilzAdam	jojoa1997\|Tablet, you use an outdated version of the engine
19:39	jojoa1997\|Tablet	nope updated
19:39	PilzAdam	common doesnt have a game.conf wich causes the latest engine to not handle it as a gem
19:39	jojoa1997\|Tablet	like 30 secs ago
19:39	PilzAdam	*game
19:40	jojoa1997\|Tablet	the debug menu comes up as the old txture
19:40	jojoa1997\|Tablet	shoot
19:41	jojoa1997\|Tablet	games that depend on default show as missing dependencies
19:41	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, you are probably missing the chunk_size param, wich comes between chunks_per_volume and ores_per_chunk
19:41	Traxie21	Adam: Was I supposed to be comitting to the dev branch or the master?
19:41	PilzAdam	dunno
19:41	Traxie21	I just noticed the dev branch now...
19:41	Traxie21	Sheet
19:42	PilzAdam	you have to decide such things now :-)
19:42	Traxie21	Oh well, the changes I've made seem stable
19:42	Traxie21	Mese, Mese_Block, Mese_Crystals, and Mese_Crystal_Fragments now are converted to diamond equivelants
19:42	Traxie21	Posted changelog in topic.
19:42	jojoa1997\|Tablet	huh?
19:42	jojoa1997\|Tablet	why diamond
19:42	Traxie21	jojoa1997\|Tablet: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2589
19:43	jojoa1997\|Tablet	pilzadam ou need to tell mods that default is in common
19:43	PilzAdam	Traxie21, if you want me to add something to the topic then just tell me
19:43	Traxie21	Kape.
19:43	Traxie21	Screenshots?
19:43	jojoa1997\|Tablet	what there is no diamond?
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19:44	jojoa1997\|Tablet	also pilzadam
19:44	Traxie21	jojoa, its a game meant to copy minecraft as close as possible
19:44	jojoa1997\|Tablet	mods that depend on default NOW HAVE MISSING DEPENDENCIES
19:44	PilzAdam	lemme check
19:45	jojoa1997\|Tablet	it is looking for default in minetest_game but default is in common
19:45	Traxie21	gtg, bbl
19:45	Traxie21	Cyas
19:46	PilzAdam	jojoa1997\|Tablet, yea, default is marked as missing in the configuration menu, but the mod loads correctly
19:46	PilzAdam	so its only a "cosmetic" bug
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19:47	jojoa1997\|Tablet	oh could you chnage that?
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19:47	jordan4ibanez	Important idea
19:47	PilzAdam	jojoa1997\|Tablet, posted on -dev
19:47	jordan4ibanez	Instead of having nodes be animated, could nodes have an entity's mesh as the node box?
19:48	jordan4ibanez	or an entity be parented to a node?
19:48	jordan4ibanez	so that when the node is dug, the entity goes away client side
19:48	jordan4ibanez	that will make making chests much easier, would be a very good addition to the api also
19:49	PilzAdam	*only MC like chests
19:49	jordan4ibanez	basically a section of the node def would be like "entityparent = entityname"
19:49	jordan4ibanez	This would also be useful for making animated switches, buttons, wheels, doors that swing open
19:49	jordan4ibanez	the list goes on and on
19:50	jordan4ibanez	grass that swings back and forth, or leaves that sway in the "breeze"
19:50	sokomine	how do i handle situations when a lua function doesn't exist yet? will a if( not( player:set_look_yaw )) work?
19:50	PilzAdam	yes
19:50	PilzAdam	and you dont need the brackets
19:50	PilzAdam	ummm
19:50	sokomine	no brackets? but brackets are important!
19:50	PilzAdam	actually you have to use: if not player.set_look_yaw then
19:51	sokomine	ok
19:51	PilzAdam	(a . instead of a :)
19:51	sokomine	thanks for the help
19:52	jordan4ibanez	With an entity parented to a node we could also have lamps that swing back and forth
19:53	jordan4ibanez	with the accompliss of particle spawning, we could even have torches that burn out over time
19:54	jordan4ibanez	And I also made a cat trap and caught both my stupid cats lol
19:55	sokomine	how was the cat trap constructed? :-)
19:55	NekoGloop	It wasn't.
19:56	jordan4ibanez	http://i.imgur.com/j16Xf7g.jpg
19:56	Jordach	anyone got a decent server excluding redcrab's?
19:57	PilzAdam	yep
19:59	jordan4ibanez	Just a stick tied to a string with a clothes bin propped up lol.
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20:00	NekoGloop	The cats merely allowed you the pleasure of thinking your trap worked
20:01	jordan4ibanez	No, they're dumb, I couldn't trap them a second time
20:01	jordan4ibanez	....yet
20:02	* Calinou	puts thermal paste on NekoGloop's head
20:02	Calinou	man, you've got mayonnaise on your head :D
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20:02	jordan4ibanez	An amd processor is just a bunch of intel ones glued together
20:37	Calinou	red eclipseooooo! unrelated to minetest, but red eclipse 1.4 is out :D
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20:38	Kacey	SPRING BREAK 2013!!!!!!!!
20:38	Kacey	hi all
20:39	Exio	wat Calinou
20:39	Exio	i'll download it :D
20:48	ShadowNinja	a line of desert sand just spawned in front of me...
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20:58	* Kacey	kinda likes obsidian glass
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21:07	VanessaE	finally
21:17	Kacey	whatis the name for an admin shop?
21:19	VanessaE	a root bar? :-)
21:20	Kacey	?
21:20	VanessaE	nevermind, poor attempt at a pun
21:21	Kacey	ok then
21:21	Kacey	it is official thatyou have lost it
21:21	Jordach	VanessaE, win
21:21	Jordach	Calinou, NOOOO
21:21	Jordach	FUCK
21:21	VanessaE	Kacey: years ago.
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21:24	Kacey	lol
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21:24	VanessaE	Jordach: what did he do now?
21:24	redcrab	Hi there :)
21:24	VanessaE	hey redcrab!
21:24	VanessaE	long time no see
21:25	redcrab	yep .. life is life with its aleas
21:25	Jordach	red eclipse updated
21:25	VanessaE	yep
21:25	VanessaE	Jordach: er...
21:25	Jordach	VanessaE, i already have a install
21:26	VanessaE	oh.
21:27	Jordach	this feels like a open source mac http://elementaryos.org/
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21:27	redcrab	I tried to compile a brand new minetest from git but a curious compilation error occurs ...
21:29	sfan5	what i have been doing in the past 3 hours: http://127.0.0.1:8888/compile
21:29	VanessaE	redcrab: what error?
21:30	Jordach	sfan5, wrong port
21:30	redcrab	.... /util/serialize.h:32:32: error: â€˜u64â€™ has not been declared
21:30	Jordach	s/wrong port/ip
21:30	sfan5	fail
21:30	Jordach	Chromium's connection attempt to 127.0.0.1 was rejected. The website may be down or your network may not be properly configured.
21:30	sfan5	* http://sfan5.dyndns.org:8888/compile
21:31	sokomine	when compiling or when running the client?
21:31	sfan5	sokomine: running the client won't output such errors
21:31	sokomine	might have remembered wrong then
21:31	redcrab	then a series of errors of the same kind sayin that 'u64' has not been declared
21:32	Jordach	sfan5, hello world breaks it
21:32	* Jordach	builds a stupidly huge program with it
21:32	sfan5	Jordach: if you mean the first c++ one, you did it wrong
21:32	PilzAdam	sfan5, can it compile minetest?
21:32	* sfan5	watches /tmp/m
21:33	sfan5	PilzAdam: no, but you could rewrite make to use my computer for compiling the object files :D
21:33	sfan5	s/make/the Makefile
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21:37	redcrab	notice : few hours ago i compile it well on a 64 bit opensuse 12.2 ...; and now a 32 bits opensuse 11.4
21:38	redcrab	from a fresh git pull few hours ago and now as well
21:40	PilzAdam	have you googled that error?
21:42	redcrab	yep .. but not obvious with current context
21:43	redcrab	wich .h should declare this u64 ?
21:45	ShadowNinja	redcrab: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/457
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21:46	ShadowNinja	and I think that is in one of the irrlicht type headers
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21:47	ShadowNinja	typedef uint64_t u64; in irrlichttypes.h
21:47	redcrab	ShadowNinja : irrlich version header may be the hot point ... I have to check , thanks for the info
21:49	redcrab	to compile the server only what is the -D stuff to place for cmake ?
21:49	PilzAdam	DBUILD_CLIENT 0
21:49	Traxie21	ohi crabby!
21:49	Traxie21	Oops
21:49	redcrab	thanks
21:49	Traxie21	Sorry, I didnt mean it that way XD
21:49	celeron55	-DBUILD_CLIENT=0
21:49	PilzAdam	* -DBUILD_CLIENT=0
21:50	redcrab	I've fixed it in my head ;p
21:54	PilzAdam	bye
21:56	Kacey	what is the name for jungle saplings?
21:58	VanessaE	default:junglesapling I think
22:00	VanessaE	brb
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22:10	redcrab	the upgradze to irrlicht 1.8 fix the u64 issue
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22:18	Traxie21	Hmm
22:18	Traxie21	We need a decent armor mod.
22:19	VanessaE	I thought we had one
22:19	VanessaE	?
22:19	sokomine	redcrab: maybe the new version will fix the randomly dropped sand/gravel as well. that would be great
22:20	Deivan	VanessaE, how I test if a node type exist?
22:20	Deivan	Like "moreblocks:micro_wood_bottom"?
22:20	VanessaE	Deivan: um...
22:20	VanessaE	good question :-)
22:20	Deivan	:-o
22:21	VanessaE	checks api
22:21	Deivan	Ok...
22:21	VanessaE	minetest.registered_nodes[name]
22:21	VanessaE	I guess if that ^^^^ returns nil, the node doesn't exist
22:21	VanessaE	I presume name = full standard name for that node
22:22	Deivan	This don't crash the script?
22:22	VanessaE	put it in quotes though
22:22	VanessaE	no, afaik this would cause crashes, that has been around for a while
22:22	VanessaE	would NOT cause crashes!
22:22	Deivan	Nice.
22:22	Deivan	I will test it. Thanks.
22:23	Deivan	:)
22:23	Deivan	AFK
22:23	VanessaE	something like: if minetest.registered_nodes["moreblocks:micro_wood_botton"] == nil then ...the node doesn't exist.... else ......the node exists .... end
22:23	VanessaE	er, bottom*
22:23	Deivan	About the moreblocks
22:23	redcrab	upgrade to 0.4.5 done ... but I can't check it right now :(
22:23	VanessaE	you get the idea.
22:23	Deivan	I need test all moreblocks and all stairplus?
22:24	VanessaE	EEK!
22:24	VanessaE	redcrab: BZZT! wrong-o
22:24	VanessaE	unknown everything :-)
22:24	redcrab	VanessaE ??? !!
22:24	Traxie21	What does max_level for tools do?
22:25	Deivan	Well, I have many to code now. :D
22:25	Deivan	Cya.
22:25	Deivan	AFK
22:25	VanessaE	redcrab: unknown blocks all. over. the. place.
22:25	* Traxie21	makes an unknown block mod
22:25	VanessaE	and...2d player sprites???
22:25	redcrab	????
22:26	VanessaE	*** server shutting down
22:26	berome	redcrad, why don't try compile with 12,3 ?
22:27	sokomine	redcrab: almost all mods are missing. even some default things
22:27	jojoa1997	what is get all craft recipes? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77888#p77888
22:27	VanessaE	redcrab: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_2486575001.png
22:27	redcrab	Ahhh ..
22:27	VanessaE	(with my texture pack as usual)
22:27	sokomine	still unknown blocks all around
22:27	berome	not yet ? :-)
22:27	jojoa1997	redcrac
22:28	jojoa1997	it is all the moreore mods for me
22:28	jojoa1997	it seems every mod is gone and
22:28	sokomine	still everything missing
22:29	jojoa1997	you might have made it go back some versions or you are using a texture pack
22:29	VanessaE	redcrab: did you install https://github.com/minetest/common also?
22:29	VanessaE	(put that in games/)
22:30	sokomine	maybe the game has to be renamed? maybe it has a diffrent name in redcrabs world?
22:30	VanessaE	ah, media loading now
22:30	VanessaE	I think you may have gotten it this time
22:30	VanessaE	ha!
22:30	VanessaE	"client disconnected"
22:30	jojoa1997	loading
22:30	redcrab	common ???
22:30	VanessaE	<redcrab's server> vanessa? FUUUUU GTFO bitch! </redcrab's server>
22:30	jojoa1997	no unknown blocks
22:31	sokomine	seems ok now
22:31	VanessaE	redcrab: yeah, it contains default and a few others, it was split off from minetest_game a day or two ago
22:31	* sokomine	grins
22:31	redcrab	I ve just revert to 0.4.4
22:31	VanessaE	redcrab: no, don't do that
22:31	VanessaE	0.4.4 is outdated now
22:32	redcrab	my Ã .4.5 temptative has failed ... until i solve the issue ... I stay on 0.4.4
22:32	VanessaE	redcrab: you have to put common into games alongside minetest_game now,
22:32	VanessaE	and all must be up-to-date
22:33	STHGOM	bye
22:33	VanessaE	wow, your server's got a bit of lag these days hasn't it?
22:34	VanessaE	I see my old mansion still stands :D
22:34	jojoa1997	show me
22:34	VanessaE	I'm in the top floor thereof now, jojo
22:35	sokomine	redcrab: possibly there's a further problem. people report griefs which look like mapgen.....or their houses built in the last days/weeks forgotten
22:35	* Kacey	wishes Menche would install circular saw mod
22:36	sokomine	redcrab: what was desert last time i saw (a few hours ago) seems now grassland - with buildings partly destroyed
22:40	Kacey	http://ompldr.org/vaHVvYw/screenshot_294424045.png my house is coming along nicely ^_^
22:44	jojoa1997	anyone know of a good survival server that is using the dev version(the one that uses common)
22:59	sokomine	hmm. at least one city on redcrabs server has been hit severely by mapgen bug :-( maybe due to the experiments?
23:00	VanessaE	how badly? and what city was it?
23:01	Kacey	is assassin city still on the server?
23:02	Kacey	what is the port?
23:03	VanessaE	redcrab's? 30401. assassin city? dunno
23:03	Kacey	im getting on to check
23:08	Kacey	haha no interact lol
23:09	sokomine	lors desert city. it was a new town settled by many players. had several decent buildings
23:09	sokomine	looks exactly like mapgen bug :-/
23:10	VanessaE	damn :(
23:12	Kacey	sokomine, how do i get interact
23:19	VanessaE	zzz
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23:21	Kacey	i can't stand to seea serverin pieces
23:24	VanessaE	so play on mine until redcrab gets his put back together :)
23:24	Kacey	Menche's
23:24	VanessaE	:P
23:24	Kacey	all the way
23:31	VanessaE	bbl
23:37	Kacey	anyone here play on Menche's server?
23:39	* Kacey	wants to work on the factorization mod
23:44	Traxie21	Sure Kac
23:44	Traxie21	What server?
23:46	Traxie21	</derp>
23:46	Traxie21	Has Factorization been started yet?
23:54	VanessaE	back
23:55	Kacey	https://github.com/Kaceyproductions/factorization Traxie21

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