Time Nick Message 00:00 jojoa1997_Tablet what is it called 00:01 jojoa1997_Tablet i think someone should code for all the letters so we could have better moding 00:01 jojoa1997_Tablet where is the code so i can try to do it 00:01 jin_xi jojoa1997_Tablet: learn to use search tools such as grep or ack 00:01 Exio http://github.com/minetest/minetest/ 00:01 jin_xi so you can find relevant code faster 00:01 Exio he uses windows 00:02 jin_xi oh 00:02 jin_xi well, idk then 00:04 jojoa1997_Tablet Could someone point me to the key bindings 00:04 Kacey why is my infinite lava source failing? 00:04 jojoa1997_Tablet It is a feature pilzadam added 00:04 Exio Kacey: lava source? 00:04 lamefun uhm 00:05 Exio i see non renewable stuff good for a survival gameplay 00:05 lamefun With C++ API instead Lua, would modding die? 00:05 kaeza Kacey, default/init.lua change liquid_renewable = true in default:lava_source 00:05 Exio lamefun: nope 00:05 lamefun Is it worth to try to implement? 00:05 Kacey im on Menches server 00:05 jojoa1997_Tablet Only faster iirc 00:05 kaeza lamefun, maybe 00:05 lamefun I want virtual machines CPU emulator computerblock mod. 00:06 kaeza lamefun, the thing is that Lua will still exist (because it's easier to create a mod in Lua than in C++) 00:06 kaeza so you will have to use Lua anyway 00:07 Exio "how to add a new ore in lua", "put 10 lines in a file" "run" 00:07 PilzAdam and its easier to publish a mod in Lua 00:07 lamefun I think C++ API can be very easy too, if it's doxygenified and well-documented and simple. 00:07 Exio "how to add a new ore in C++" "put 50 lines in a file" "compile it" "do something for having it in the engine" "run" 00:08 kaeza lamefun, if you are interested in a pseudo-C++ modding, you can create a bootstrap init.lua that loads an external library (written in C/C++) and do the hard work 00:08 Exio kaeza is an expert of that 00:08 Exio *cough* ircmod *cough^* 00:08 Exio :P 00:08 kaeza Exio, irc mod is 99% Lua 1% C :P 00:09 jojoa1997_Tablet Guysa 00:09 jojoa1997_Tablet Should there be a crafting book in defaulr 00:09 jojoa1997_Tablet A book that is a too 00:09 kaeza but anyway, you understand lamefun 00:09 jojoa1997_Tablet Tool 00:09 PilzAdam no 00:09 jojoa1997_Tablet Why not? 00:10 PilzAdam it makes things too easy 00:10 jojoa1997_Tablet nonono 00:10 jojoa1997_Tablet i mean a crafting guide so people can know how to craft things 00:10 jojoa1997_Tablet it would also work with mods 00:11 kaeza jojoa1997_Tablet, change craft_guide into a tool format and enjoy 00:11 jojoa1997_Tablet it is for beginer players 00:11 jojoa1997_Tablet no i did 00:11 Exio so? 00:11 jojoa1997_Tablet but should it be added to default 00:11 Exio minetest_game will not have every mod what is in the forum 00:11 jojoa1997_Tablet i know but this is more than new blocks 00:11 Exio minetest_game will NOT have every mod what is in the forum 00:11 Exio :D 00:12 jojoa1997_Tablet i know 00:12 PilzAdam Exio, can you send me a copy of you as a bot that says exactly this when someon suggests something? 00:13 jojoa1997_Tablet CAN YOU not ADD A CRAFT GUIDE MOD TO MINETEST_GAME 00:13 Exio PilzAdam: of course! 00:13 jojoa1997_Tablet please 00:13 Exio :P 00:13 jojoa1997_Tablet :x 00:14 jojoa1997_Tablet please do my request 00:14 Exio i has other request, stop doing requests, can my request by done without other requests? thanks 00:14 PilzAdam Exio, Ill just ping you next time I need this statement 00:14 jojoa1997_Tablet exio 00:14 jojoa1997_Tablet CAN YOU not ADD A CRAFT GUIDE MOD TO MINETEST_GAME 00:15 jojoa1997_Tablet look at the only non caps part 00:16 lamefun What about replacing Lua with JavaScript? 00:16 Exio wtf 00:16 PilzAdam what about breaking every mod out there? 00:16 * jojoa1997_Tablet blows up lamefun 00:16 lamefun JavaScript is the programming language of the future, the programming language for people, the official programming language of the planet Earth, supported by Google, Microsoft and Apple, and has lots of very fast JIT intepreters. 00:17 jin_xi lua is just as nice 00:17 lamefun We can't rely on LuaJIT, it's one-man project (correct me if I am wrong). 00:17 PilzAdam "supported by Google, Microsoft and Apple," 00:17 PilzAdam says it all.... 00:17 jin_xi js is nice too 00:17 VanessaE fuck js. 00:17 Exio js is nice, but i don't think *replacing* lua would be ok 00:18 Exio if you want to code a way to have js and lua without 10000000 lines of code for everything in the api 00:18 Exio i will try it 00:18 jin_xi guile is adding lua too, might be an option some day 00:18 * jin_xi muses 00:18 Exio guile? scheme? :D 00:19 lamefun why not replacing Lua? JavaScript is what's for people. 00:19 NekoGloop because java is bad 00:19 Exio java != javascript 00:19 PilzAdam javascript is worse than Lua 00:19 lamefun Windows 8 has it as the recommended programming language, so do GNOME 3 and KDE 5 will 00:19 lamefun But it's what's for people 00:19 lamefun And its JIT is maintained by big corporations instead of just one man. 00:20 lamefun So we can rely on it. 00:20 VanessaE forget it, lamefun. 00:20 VanessaE it ain't gonna happen in MT. 00:20 PilzAdam Minetest was mostly written by one person 00:20 PilzAdam we cant rely on it 00:20 PilzAdam delete it! 00:20 NekoGloop You? 00:20 Exio linux started in someway like that 00:22 tripod java still have security flaws for the last 5 years or so 00:22 Kacey what is LuaJIT anyway? 00:22 lamefun Minetest isn't something that needs advanced computer science degrees, JIT is. 00:22 Exio lamefun: are you saying in someway MT is a simple program? 00:22 Exio or i just can't understand what you are saying 00:22 jin_xi Kacey: its an alternative lua implementation that uses just in time compilation for optimisation 00:23 PilzAdam LuaJIT is from 0 to 10 times faster in Minetest mods 00:23 lamefun Compared to JIT, yes. It may contain lots of code, but it doesn't need advanced computer science degrees to understand. 00:23 Exio ok 00:24 tripod well fork MT lamefun 00:24 tripod too ez 00:24 tripod amirite 00:24 lamefun So there's more chance of Minetest being picked up if it's abandoned than of a JIT compiler. 00:26 Exio lamefun: idea, fork minetest, replace lua with javascript, and so 00:27 Exio when it starts working perfectly, and you have default ported to it 00:27 Exio s/default/minetest_game/ 00:27 Exio then your reviews will be take as something 00:27 VanessaE then you can start porting the other 250-some mods. 00:27 jin_xi no need 00:27 jin_xi they will quickly be replaced im sure 00:29 jin_xi but then, why stop there... make formspecs webviews. 00:29 PilzAdam VanessaE, can you please start an important discussion? 00:29 VanessaE why? 00:29 PilzAdam I wanna leave 00:30 VanessaE this is #minetest, we don't discuss anything important here :-) 00:30 PilzAdam bye 00:30 VanessaE besides, you want RealBadAngel, not me :) 00:32 Exio jin_xi: hahahahaha 00:32 Exio port webkit to minetest! 00:33 lamefun or port Minetest to HTML5 00:33 VanessaE noooooooo 00:33 VanessaE /kick lamefun 00:33 lamefun HTML5 is the future, for people! 00:34 VanessaE in MY day we wrote stuff in fucking ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE. 00:34 VanessaE not a fucking MARKUP language. 00:34 lamefun Assembly is good, but will be banned. 00:34 VanessaE wtf? 00:34 tripod o.O you know asm too 00:34 Exio got it 00:34 tripod i dont know many people in AU who know asm 00:35 VanessaE tripod: just old 8-bit assembly, 6502 tuff. 00:35 VanessaE stuff* 00:35 lamefun Today it's only used by big corporations that write compilers and interpreters and by hackers and criminals. There's no need for it to be public knowledge now. 00:35 tripod VanessaE: ahh i was talking about x86 asm 00:35 VanessaE oh please. 00:35 VanessaE stop reading 1984. 00:35 tripod wow this guy is serious 00:35 VanessaE tripod: same difference, just a different architecture. 00:35 tripod oh nice 00:35 tripod VanessaE: you know Forth demension by chance/ 00:35 tripod ? 00:35 VanessaE nope. 00:35 tripod dang 00:36 Exio can anyone help me with something? 00:36 * tripod looking for love in wrong places 00:36 VanessaE I coul dsing you some FIFTH Dimension though :D 00:36 Exio i need to kill someone 00:36 tripod man 00:36 tripod my bad 00:36 tripod not forth.. 00:36 VanessaE Exio: fire up Open Arena :D 00:36 Exio s/Open Arena/Redeclipse/ :3 00:36 tripod warsow/nexuiz/xonotic 00:36 tripod urt 00:36 Exio hey sfan5 00:37 Exio xonotic yes 00:37 tripod i dislike xonotic :( 00:37 kaeza assaultcube :3 00:37 Exio why tripod? 00:37 tripod ac is pretty boss 00:37 Exio kaeza: pls 00:37 Exio since when you play it 00:37 tripod Exio: map flow/item placements/too many weapons and shitty physics/balance :P 00:37 tripod but i am an elitist cpm player. 00:37 kaeza since I pwned you the other day 00:37 lamefun The same is going to happen to C and C++ one day. 00:37 tripod so bias from the get go 00:37 VanessaE Exio: either way, go frag some bots, get your frustrations out. 00:37 VanessaE lamefun: no, it won't. 00:37 * sfan5 is finally back from Italy 00:37 tripod C/C++ is standard 00:38 VanessaE sfan5: welcome back 00:38 tripod until something as modular and as awesome comes out 00:38 VanessaE if "the powers that be" couldn't kill C after, what, 30 years now? they never will 00:38 VanessaE shit, over 40 years now 00:38 lamefun x86/ARM assembler not standard? 00:38 VanessaE 1969. 00:39 Exio tripod: the thing what i like from RE is the thing of walking in the walls with a smg and suddenly jumping changing to the shotgun and plaf! 00:39 tripod RE is cool 00:39 tripod just not fast enough for me 00:39 tripod i do enjoy it 00:39 Exio gamespeed 125 00:39 tripod but often enough major changes happen all the time with weapons on the svn 00:39 tripod so im constantly going wtf 00:39 sfan5 VanessaE: thanks 00:39 Exio wait 00:40 Exio sfan5: italy? 00:40 Exio do you speak italian? 00:40 sfan5 no 00:40 sfan5 8) 00:40 tripod i speak some italian 00:40 Exio aww, i started the italian classes today :P 00:40 VanessaE lamefun: there's a fair chance that the x86 architecture will become obsolete some day, but you'll never get rid of all the hackers and coders out there. 00:40 tripod like 00:40 tripod spagetti 00:40 Exio XD 00:40 tripod <-- australian 00:40 VanessaE We control the rasters. We control the scroll bars. We are legion. or something. 00:40 Exio <- argentinean 00:41 Exio :D 00:41 lamefun People are born with dead souls, then the souls are brough alive by locked-up education and then if you commit thoughtcrime, then your soul dies again. 00:41 VanessaE sfan5: what brought you to italy (and don't mention a form of transportation either ;-) ) 00:41 tripod the fuck 00:41 tripod lol 00:41 VanessaE lamefun: HUH!? 00:41 tripod this guy 00:41 Exio VanessaE: it is already obsolote, x86_64 00:41 VanessaE someone show this guy TIMECUBE 00:41 VanessaE :D 00:41 BlindBanana minetest 0.4.5 packages available for openSUSE 12.1 12.2 12.3 and Tumbleweed (rolling release), packages url: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/BlindBanana:/branches:/games/ url for depdended packages: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/games/ just pick the right subfolder according your distribution 00:41 sfan5 VanessaE: a class trip 00:41 NekoGloop show him ifunny, he'll be gone for hours 00:41 lamefun The site full of diversitivist lies... The ONEist Global Government will unify everything! 00:41 VanessaE Exio: I mean the general architecture i.e. that which can run say Windows 3.1 :-) 00:41 sfan5 and a bus 00:41 * kaeza wished someone compiled MT for Puppy already :D 00:42 tripod oh shit 00:42 lamefun ONE platform --- HTML5, ONE operating system --- Windows. 00:42 tripod i sense Illuminutty 00:42 VanessaE windows? FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU 00:42 VanessaE Linux or GTFO 00:42 Kacey both ^_^ 00:42 lamefun VanessaE: Microsoft made it so that ARM have mandatory non-disablable "Secure" Boot. 00:42 kaeza lamefun, DON'T SAY THE 'W' WORD HERE!! 00:42 Kacey windows windows windows 00:42 kaeza /ban Kacey 00:42 VanessaE lamefun: no, microsoft demanded it but the MANUFACTURERS made it, and that only applies to certain ARM-based platforms. 00:42 lamefun When x86 is obsolete, the world for people is coming! 00:43 Kacey i run both windows and linux 00:43 lamefun Are there non-locked-down ARM platforms? 00:43 Exio lamefun: http://forum.dronprogs.org/files_for_my_posts/books/GEA.pdf 00:43 Exio read the book, then come back 00:43 Kacey on different computers 00:43 VanessaE lamefun: yes, though I don't remember which ones. 00:43 VanessaE hell aren't most tablets ARM? 00:43 Exio lamefun: yes, 99% of the arm cpus 00:43 Exio devices and so 00:43 lamefun Aren't most tablets locked-down? 00:44 kaeza who says x86 is obsolete? maybe some fucktard that bloats an OS with highly inefficient crap 00:44 VanessaE lamefun: no, most tablets run Android now. 00:44 NekoGloop Aren't you kinda lost here? 00:44 lamefun Isn't Android locked-down (need to hack root privileges, etc.)? 00:44 VanessaE lamefun: not as far as I am aware it isn't. 00:44 * kaeza puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head 00:44 VanessaE Android is Linux. 00:44 Exio android is locked down for final users 00:44 lamefun Doesn't matter. 00:45 Exio if you want root you have two ways, using the "dev" releases with all of the power, or "hacking it" 00:45 lamefun If Linux was GPLv3, then they couldn't lock it down. 00:45 bas080 knurd 00:45 lamefun But it's still GPLv2 00:45 Exio lamefun: wtf? 00:45 Exio lamefun: how does that matter? 00:46 Exio the kernel is not the thing what is locked, and the code is opensource, and if it were gplv3 00:46 Exio we will not be able to use most of the "closeddevices" 00:46 Exio what are actually floating around 00:47 Exio in any case, you're a troll so gtfo 00:47 Exio -ban 00:47 Exio oops 00:47 VanessaE point is, it is fairly trivial to unlock a tablet, not that this is even slightly germane to the discussion. 00:47 VanessaE if it's locked down at all. 00:48 Exio the "boot" of my android device wasn't blocked 00:48 Exio even, i had to reflash other official rom for having root 00:50 jojoa1997|Tablet does anyone know any good android games? 00:50 VanessaE lamefun: your dystopian future will never come to pass. The rest of us will prevent that from ever happening. 00:50 VanessaE even if the world goes to shit, we'll still be here. 00:51 Exio jojoa1997|Tablet: yes, terminal emulator, chroot and gcc :) 00:51 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: angry birds. :D 00:51 VanessaE jk 00:51 VanessaE a good game? easy. ssh -X some_server_that_has_X -c "minetest" 00:51 VanessaE ;) 00:51 jojoa1997|Tablet ok genre fighting/simple(non car) racing games 00:51 VanessaE (I wonder if that would actually work?) 00:51 Exio it will .. not 00:51 jojoa1997|Tablet brb 00:52 Exio because android does not use a X11 server, and if you install one 00:52 kaeza I'd like to find a *good* racing game 00:52 Exio the actual X11 server does not has support for accelerated access or so 00:52 kaeza TORCS is shit 00:52 VanessaE while I was at the optomotrist last week, I saw a kid playing on some little tablet, one of those smaller-than-usual ones. Some zombie game. You had to throw street trash at zombies who were slowly plodding toward you 00:52 VanessaE kaeza: extreme tuxracer :D 00:53 kaeza VanessaE, good, but I'm looking something more "realistic" (in the veins of Gran Turismo) 00:53 Exio err 00:53 Exio i have played a game for that 00:53 Exio like 3 years ago or so 00:54 Exio jojoa1997|Tablet: can i ask why |tablet if you are using it like 95% of the time? 00:54 Exio you should use jojoa1997|desktop :) 00:54 kaeza ^ 00:54 VanessaE haha 00:54 jojoa1997|Tablet nope 00:54 VanessaE Exio: well in that case, guess we'll have to work on porting the game to Android directly :) 00:55 jojoa1997|Tablet my computer is on "bsecure" and this is my way around it 00:55 Exio VanessaE: are there any direct X11/api calls? 00:55 VanessaE dunno 00:55 kaeza and while at it, to SymbianOS :D 00:55 jojoa1997|Tablet guys 00:55 jojoa1997|Tablet if someone ports something to android will i still be able to use lua mods 00:56 Exio if irrlicht works in android (and does), you should be able in teory to get a "release working" (thanks to proller patches for opengles) 00:56 jojoa1997|Tablet ports minetest to android 00:56 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: if it were ported, probably. 00:56 * jojoa1997|Tablet makes sfan5|OFF come back to port android 00:57 jojoa1997|Tablet ok so what is the best android game besides the futere minetest(and the current non appstore downloaded minecraft) 00:58 kaeza how does one pull a single/few commits from a diff repo? 00:58 jojoa1997|Tablet pull the rest and erase them 00:58 jojoa1997|Tablet jk 00:58 VanessaE git add remote somename git@blahblah.url.git; git fetch somename; git cherrypick commitidblahblahblahblahblah 00:58 VanessaE something like that I guess 00:59 kaeza hmm gonna try 00:59 jojoa1997|Tablet what is this? v 00:59 jojoa1997|Tablet http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77702#p77702 00:59 jojoa1997|Tablet is it android minetest? 00:59 VanessaE no 00:59 * jojoa1997|Tablet would scream for joy 00:59 VanessaE OpenSUSE is another Linux distro 01:00 * jojoa1997|Tablet goes and jumps off a cliff 01:00 * VanessaE yells after jojoa1997|Tablet ... "Can I have yoUR TABLET!?" 01:00 VanessaE (imagine me getting louder as he falls) 01:01 VanessaE :) 01:01 * jojoa1997|Tablet takes the tablet with him 01:01 * khonkhortisan uses OpenSuSE 01:02 * jojoa1997|Tablet muwhahaHAHAHAHA!HA!HA!HA!H!HA!H!A!H!A! 01:02 * Kacey is eating applesauce. be jealous 01:02 VanessaE Ubuntu Precise or GTFO :-) 01:02 * jojoa1997|Tablet gets louder as he falls 01:02 khonkhortisan is Precise a version? 01:02 jojoa1997|Tablet Kacey so am i 01:02 VanessaE khonkhortisan: 12.04, yeah 01:02 khonkhortisan I have 12.1 01:03 khonkhortisan gotta update to 2 or 3 01:04 jojoa1997|Tablet this is the way to go data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAkGBhQSERUSERIUFBUVFxQWFRcWFBcWFRQUFRQVFBgSFhcYHyceGBwjGhQUHy8hIygpLCwsFx4xNTwqNSYrLCkBCQoKDgwOGA8PGiokHCUsLyosLyksLTUpLCwsLCwsNSwsMCwsLywpLywqLywsNSwuLCosKSwpKSksLCwsLCwsLP/AABEIAKAAoAMBIgACEQEDEQH/xAAbAAEAAgMBAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAUBAwYCB//EADsQAAEDAgMEBwYDCAMAAAAAAAEAAgMEERIhMQUGQVETImFxgZGhBzJCUrHRFCOSFUNicoKywcIz4fD/xAAaAQEAAgMBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQ 01:04 Exio . 01:04 VanessaE wtf? 01:04 jojoa1997|Tablet oops 01:04 khonkhortisan how do I open that? 01:04 jojoa1997|Tablet i did select all with keyboard sorry 01:04 preludelinux lol 01:04 jojoa1997|Tablet click it or copy and paste 01:04 jojoa1997|Tablet once i pressed enter i started cracking up 01:05 VanessaE next time paste a URL :) 01:05 jojoa1997|Tablet that was the url 01:05 jojoa1997|Tablet it kicked me oout 01:05 VanessaE no, that was not the whole URL to whatever it was :-) 01:06 VanessaE protip: use bit.ly :-) 01:06 jojoa1997|Tablet that was the piuck url 01:06 VanessaE it didn't go through. 01:06 VanessaE [03-21 21:06] next time paste a URL :) 01:06 VanessaE [03-21 21:06] * jojoa1997|Tablet has quit (Quit: Bye) 01:07 jojoa1997|Tablet what 01:11 jojoa1997|Tablet http://www.buythecase.net/uploads/products/200/1480000010.jpg 01:11 jojoa1997|Tablet yay 01:15 jojoa1997|Tablet why must sfan5 abandon me in my greatest time of need 01:15 sfan5 what? 01:15 jojoa1997|Tablet i have to do homework and he wont let me play minetest on my tablet 01:15 jojoa1997|Tablet yay he returns 01:16 jojoa1997|Tablet sfan5 i heard that you can port minetest to android now with some changes to mineytest source 01:16 jojoa1997|Tablet who said it earlier 01:16 sfan5 umm 01:16 sfan5 i had no time to work on that lately 01:17 sfan5 also the irrilicht examples don't even run 01:17 sfan5 -i 01:17 jojoa1997|Tablet http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-03-22#i_2946602 01:17 jojoa1997|Tablet look 01:17 sfan5 Exio if irrlicht works in android (and does), you should be able in teory to get a "release working" (thanks to proller patches for opengles) 01:18 jojoa1997|Tablet yeah 01:18 sfan5 prollers patches are not a big help, as i already made minetest makefiles accept opengles 01:18 jojoa1997|Tablet could you do it 01:18 jojoa1997|Tablet oh then what is the prob 01:18 sfan5 the irrlicht examples don't even run 01:18 jojoa1997|Tablet examples? 01:19 jojoa1997|Tablet why not try the actual game 01:19 sfan5 if even a simple example application doesn't work, why should the game work 01:19 jojoa1997|Tablet maybe the application is wrong 01:20 jojoa1997|Tablet or maybe there is something with your android 01:20 sfan5 what do you mean.. "wrong"? 01:20 jojoa1997|Tablet idk something 01:24 Exio sfan5: they don't run? 01:24 sfan5 no 01:24 Exio btw, how did you compile it? 01:24 sfan5 with 2 different ways: ndk using cross compiling and ndk using NativeActivity 01:26 Exio hehe 01:26 Exio in what phone, btw? 01:26 Exio i will try in somedays with my lg p350 and so 01:27 sfan5 target revision was 8 i think 01:33 * Kacey is eating a drumstick. be jealous 01:42 Aggies hello everybody 01:45 NekoGloop Meow 01:46 Aggies lol 01:46 NekoGloop Meow? 01:46 VanessaE meow. 01:47 * Aggies pets NekoGloop and feeds him some kibble 01:47 * NekoGloop spits it out 01:48 Kacey dear god *facepalm* 01:48 Aggies lol 01:48 Kacey Aggies, join Menche's server 01:48 Aggies no 01:49 VanessaE y u no play on mine? :( 01:50 Kacey i am playing legit build right no 01:50 Kacey now* 01:50 Kacey Aggies, why not? 01:50 Aggies on facbeook 01:51 ShadowNinja VanessaE: about the minetest over ssh thing, it works, but I only got the menu, and that at about 1 FPS 01:51 Kacey open teamviewer 01:51 Aggies k 01:51 Aggies i'm on 01:52 Kacey check your messages 01:52 Kacey on the left side of the screen 01:57 kaeza woht http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77709#p77709 01:58 VanessaE wtf? 02:00 Aggies lets start a riot a riot lets start a riot tell me if you kno wwhat song this is 02:02 lamefun btw 02:02 lamefun Google, Microsoft and Apple care about JavaScript security 02:02 lamefun so we'll have mods safe for server 02:03 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#Nbe36caN 02:03 ShadowNinja because we know microsoft is great at security... 02:03 Exio they are good at making security... 02:03 Exio ..holes :) 02:03 lamefun I'm using Google's engine. 02:07 Aggies 0.1 lag feels so good 02:08 kaeza WTF is wrong with everyone having Lua as scripting language?? 02:08 kaeza s/having/not wanting/ 02:11 kaeza I don't know you, but that guy is starting to sound like Likwid 02:12 VanessaE kaeza: two words: slow mods 02:12 VanessaE :-) 02:12 kaeza VanessaE, so you prefer having to compile 100+ mods for every platform out there? :) 02:12 VanessaE no :) 02:13 VanessaE I prefer magic like LuaJIT and having appropriately heavy function moved into the core of whatever engine is in quesiton :-) 02:13 VanessaE question* 02:13 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#NWDqji8J 02:14 kaeza lol I had one of these as akid http://ifunny.mobi/#2yjktUNc 02:14 kaeza s(akid/a kid/ 02:14 kaeza fuk 02:17 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#lZyg2i8J 02:20 lamefun kaeza, VanessaE: LuaJIT is a one-man project and I fear it'll die, while there fast free software are JavaScript engines from corporations like Mozilla, Google, Apple. 02:20 VanessaE corporations can die too, but open source software will live as long as someone wants to maintain it. 02:21 kaeza lamefun, go help the LuaJit man then 02:21 kaeza :) 02:21 kaeza IIRC minetest would be dead by now if no one started to help c55 02:21 lamefun The whole Web 3.0 depends on JavaScript, so there are always people to maintain the JS interpreter. Who needs LuaJIT besides minetest? 02:22 kaeza lamefun, a fuckton of projects 02:22 VanessaE lots of projects use Lua. 02:22 VanessaE and "web 3.0" is a bullshit idea, which will probably be powered by AJAX or something, not js. 02:22 lamefun How many actually need performance beyond standard interpreter and use LuaJIT? 02:23 kaeza that come to my mind, the Love game engine, DoomRL, Legend of Cosmo, Minetest, some music player 02:23 lamefun AJAX = Asynchronous JavaScript and XML 02:23 VanessaE how many people use python? or bash? or PHP? or batch scripting? or a thousand other interpreted languages? 02:23 lamefun A lot 02:24 lamefun Just that most people are OK with their performance, so there are no JIT for bash and PHP. There is JIT for Python I think, but still most people use the standard interpreter. 02:24 kaeza lamefun, you are proposing everyone switchs to JS (minetest or not) 02:24 kaeza +e 02:24 Exio i have an idea 02:25 Exio let lamefun code everything 02:25 Exio and post real benchmarks 02:25 kaeza ^ 02:25 Exio see you in 10 years lamefun 02:26 lamefun kaeza: no 02:26 kaeza lamefun, Ruby is (was) also sort of the "new thing", and it's complete utter shit 02:26 lamefun but we (minetest) need an interpreted language and need it to be fast 02:26 Exio luajit is fast enough 02:26 kaeza lamefun, a language is a language 02:26 Exio if the function is really heavy 02:26 Exio you port it to C++ and you get in the engine 02:26 kaeza the interpreter is another story 02:27 Exio and it gets "even more faster" than your v8-tests 02:27 VanessaE it's up to the interpreter or compiler as to whether a given language is fast or not. 02:27 Exio as i said 02:27 VanessaE end of story. 02:27 Exio ignore lamefun until he ports minetest to v8 or js or whatever 02:33 lamefun There's a lot of interest (the whole of the Web 3.0, Qt 5, GNOME 3) in fast JavaScript. Is there the same interest in fast Lua? I'm just afraid that LuaJIT may just die, as it's a one-man project. 02:34 Exio do you have any argument, i only see "one-man one-man one-man" like implying most of the stuff we are using wasn't started by one or two (bored) guys saying "eh, this may work!" 02:35 kaeza lamefun, your silly marketing campaing for JS is just pissing everyone in here 02:35 kaeza provide facts as Exio said, STFU, or GTFO 02:36 Exio JS is cool as language, but lua fits better here 02:36 Exio the things for what they were made 02:38 VanessaE plus if LuaJIT dies, who says we can't just go back to using Lua? 02:38 kaeza offtopic: I want this shirt http://ifunny.mobi/#JkGHtA9J 02:39 lamefun VanessaE: we may have mods that rely on its performance 02:40 VanessaE lamefun: then blame those modders for releasing slow code. 02:40 Exio [23:26:51] if the function is really heavy 02:40 Exio [23:26:58] you port it to C++ and you get in the engine 02:40 VanessaE or blame whoever the devs are at the time for not incorporating enough C++ hooks to avoid the need for the slow code. 02:40 VanessaE exactly. 02:40 VanessaE what he said. 02:40 VanessaE and indeed, that should be done ANYway 02:40 Exio coding a whole IA in any language like lua, js or whatever 02:41 Exio will be slow versus the C++ integrated in core version 02:41 VanessaE whether we use LuaJIT, plain Lua, or some magical 100x-faster-than-JIT compiler. 02:41 VanessaE if it's a CPU-heavy task, it belongs in C++ 02:41 VanessaE (or another language that is meant to be compiled) 02:43 kaeza compiled to native code* 02:43 VanessaE yes 02:43 VanessaE as opposed to being tokenized into p-code. 02:43 Exio compiled to bytecode*, like python or java :3 02:44 tripod pwned 02:44 VanessaE you wouldn't use BASIC to decode a jpeg file byte by byte, so don't use Lua to do huge CPU-intensive mapping tasks. delegate those tasks to where they are best suited. 02:44 VanessaE (the irony of that statement is the python mapper that comes with the engine ;-) ) 02:44 kaeza VanessaE, FreeBasic :3 02:45 VanessaE kaeza: blassic of GTFO :) 02:45 VanessaE or* 02:46 kaeza1 fak 02:50 tripod he is googling his next arguement 02:51 Exio he is asking to M$* 02:54 kaeza ^ lol 02:55 tripod finding a valid arguement with m$ 02:55 tripod pretty bad now they are forcing everyone to use metro on win8 02:55 tripod ugh 02:55 tripod if i had my way anyone on welfare would need to use linux in order to get the benefit :P 02:56 tripod boom right there linux is the highest user OS :P 02:56 lamefun There's really no more arguments... If the Shiny New World is coming, the games like Minecraft are going to be banned, because they promote thought crime, to be replaced with new games, the games for PEOPLE, the locked games, linear and immutable. 02:56 tripod hahah 02:56 tripod lol 02:56 tripod you are something different 02:57 NekoGloop What games for people... 02:57 NekoGloop The games for people are the ones who let "people" change them to how they see fit. 02:57 VanessaE never gonna happen, lamefun. 02:59 VanessaE capitalism, which is what big corps worship the most, is not compatible with the socialist ideal of "the people". 02:59 VanessaE so they will never be the ones to bring about a truly "open" world. 02:59 kaeza I want a moment of your attention to just say DNFTT 02:59 VanessaE not without one hell of a financial incentive. 03:06 * ShadowNinja reads about LuaJIT ffi cool, even faster 03:06 tripod DNFTT? 03:07 tripod did not finish tracking telepathy 03:07 kaeza do not feed the trolls. I kist did feed one and I welcome to my /ignore list 03:07 kaeza just* 03:08 kaeza wait 03:08 kaeza lol 03:08 * kaeza needs to pay more attention to who is speaking 03:08 tripod yeah 03:08 kaeza anyway, I welcome lamefun to my /ignore list 03:08 tripod nah this new shiny world sounds good 03:09 tripod because when i hear shiny 03:09 tripod i think of firefly 03:09 tripod when i think of firefly 03:09 tripod i think awesome 03:09 kaeza I think of Pokemon 03:09 kaeza :P 03:09 lamefun hm 03:09 NekoGloop I think of shiny. 03:09 Exio good night, now 03:10 kaeza nite EXio 03:10 lamefun inconvenient truth is always a hate magnet 03:10 lamefun anyway 03:10 VanessaE truth as you see it. 03:10 lamefun I want programmable computers mod 03:10 tripod if he really had an issue 03:10 VanessaE your arguments are all based on speculation, assumptions, and subjective ideals. 03:10 tripod just fork minetest 03:10 tripod and stfu 03:10 tripod simple 03:10 VanessaE +1 03:10 tripod if you dont like it leave :P 03:11 kaeza ^ 03:11 Exio thanks tripod 03:11 Exio now i don't like you 03:13 kaeza :P 03:13 * kaeza is bored 03:14 kaeza aaaaaaaand SPAM http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77738#p77738 03:14 kaeza VanessaE, ^ 03:14 lamefun they're based on completely obvious inconvenient truth that everyone just prefers to ignore (complex computer science degree requiring one-man projects that aren't much used can easily die, JavaScript is a language that has JIT interperters that can be relied long-term) 03:14 lamefun Anyway, my real problem is that Minetest needs a way to easily distribute mods that require high performance, what do you propose instead of JavaScript? 03:14 jojoa1997|Tablet I clicked the link hehehe 03:14 jojoa1997|Tablet Lua 03:14 sokomine ah. saw that as well. not entirely sure if it's spam or just someone suggesting building plans for building sheds in mt :-) 03:14 VanessaE kaeza: dealt. 03:15 kaeza thx :) 03:15 VanessaE lamefun: C++. 03:15 VanessaE now GTFO. 03:15 jojoa1997|Tablet did ypu click the link 03:15 jojoa1997|Tablet it was spam 03:16 sokomine mods that require high perfomance? hm. most mods either do fine or don't use much performance 03:16 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, one does not simply click links in stupid posts like these 03:16 sokomine no, i didn't click on the link 03:16 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: deleted right away. 03:16 jojoa1997|Tablet Kaeza I bored so I clicked it 03:17 kaeza so I should post a link to citricnotorangeparty.com? 03:18 jojoa1997|Tablet Sokamine try having me second tech,more tress,mobf,both NPCs,simple mobs,and about 20 other mods with 10 of them being land editors 03:18 kaeza would you click that one right away? 03:18 jojoa1997|Tablet Me? 03:18 kaeza yes 03:19 jojoa1997|Tablet It doesn't go anywhere 03:19 jojoa1997|Tablet I usually click irc links 03:19 jojoa1997|Tablet Even when looking at logs 03:19 jojoa1997|Tablet WARNING can create cinfisuion 03:20 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, Common Sense™ 2013 Antivirus helps a lot 03:20 jojoa1997|Tablet Kaeza 03:20 jojoa1997|Tablet Why would I click a link that you pm me 03:21 kaeza then do not click it 03:21 sokomine jojoa: yes, there are a few that need every bit of performance they can get, especially mobf. don't know about simple mobs. they're too much on the hostile side for me to be intresting. moretrees seems to do rather fine in newer builds 03:21 kaeza in fact, I recommend you DO NOT CLICK IT 03:21 jojoa1997|Tablet Shall I post it here 03:22 jojoa1997|Tablet And jabber some one else tell me what it is? 03:22 kaeza do as you want, but I did not post it here for a reason :) 03:22 jojoa1997|Tablet OK I definitely ain't clicking it 03:26 ShadowNinja want performance? use LuaJIT, it has ffi(C code in lua). 03:27 VanessaE ShadowNinja: I think that's more intended for hooking into existing C++ functions, not so much writing code in C 03:27 kaeza that feeling when somebody respons to your random question in a random forum six months later 03:27 kaeza +d 03:28 VanessaE plus it's already been kinda decided (at least by c55) that ffi should be disabled. 03:28 VanessaE security risk. 03:29 ShadowNinja yea, too bad, will that just be with the security enhancements enabled? 03:29 jojoa1997|Tablet What is ffi? 03:30 VanessaE ShadowNinja: dunno 03:30 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: a way for Lua to interface to C++ without requiring C++ hooks 03:30 jojoa1997|Tablet :O 03:30 ShadowNinja I read C, is it C++? 03:31 VanessaE probably whatever language Lua is being interfaced to. 03:31 VanessaE C++ in our case. 03:32 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#p9rd9yol YES. 03:32 hmmmm http://ompldr.org/vaHVlZg 03:32 kaeza http://ifunny.mobi/#iOsY1m8J 03:33 kaeza hmmmm, wut 03:33 VanessaE heh 03:33 hmmmm if mese were spawned in air instead of stone, this is what the world would look like 03:33 hmmmm that's how common mese actually is. food for thought. 03:33 VanessaE eek 03:33 VanessaE I knew it was somewhat common but damn 03:33 NekoGloop And that's just the mese blocks. What about the ore? 03:33 VanessaE perhaps that should be...toned down a little 03:33 hmmmm ore, way more. 03:34 sokomine ah yes, luajit sounds intresting 03:34 hmmmm vanessae, but that's only because you see it 03:34 VanessaE sure of course, but I'm thinking of the long-distance density too 03:34 VanessaE mese blocks are supposed to be really rare 03:34 kaeza hmmmm, actually no; I can get 2 stacks of mese in like 10 mins 03:35 hmmmm celeron was really right about how things in 3d are way more rare than they seem 03:35 kaeza so maybe a little bit more rare 03:35 hmmmm especially when inside of stone, you need this sort of frequency 03:36 sokomine don't make them too rare. it still takes time to get your first mese in a new world 03:36 sokomine yes, right. you don't see what's outside of your immediate digging area 03:36 VanessaE sokomine: I mean mese blocks 03:36 hmmmm so now when people say a server is depleted of resources, you know they're full of shit! 03:36 VanessaE they should be no more than 1/9 as common as mese in stone 03:37 VanessaE hmmmm: I know, right? 03:37 hmmmm yep 03:37 VanessaE http://ifunny.mobi/#3GU4PUxa 03:37 VanessaE 100% WIN! 03:38 sokomine hmmm: it's not mese we run out of. it's papyrus on redcrabs server. and long ways/destruction of landscape for clay/sand 03:38 NekoGloop VanessaE, http://ifunny.mobi/#p9rd9yol 03:38 VanessaE saw it.. erkk 03:38 sokomine the papyrus problem has been saved iirc. and sand got a bit better thanks to the new sandstone receipes 03:39 VanessaE admittedly I've seen that issue re: sand.. it does tend to run out fast in some places 03:39 NekoGloop VanessaE, thoughts? 03:40 sokomine well, at least for sand and clay, that's where my traders are for 03:40 VanessaE NekoGloop: I like the sword, the gun is errr... ring is interesting, pokeballs are meh, the thing below those (portal gun?) is interesting, the amber-colored balls I don't recognize, the elder wand I'm not familiar with (not into harry potter) 03:40 jojoa1997|Tablet Nekogloop I like the poke balls 03:40 * jojoa1997|Tablet steals the poke balls and uses master ball on nekogloop 03:41 NekoGloop yep, portal gun. and the amber pieces of shit are from Dragonball Z, which is apparently still a thing. 03:41 * NekoGloop YOU CANNOT STEAL OTHER PEOPLE'S POKEMON TRAWLAWLAWLAWL 03:41 VanessaE I didn't realize dbz was still going on 03:42 NekoGloop Either DBZ or the early Yugioh anime. 03:42 NekoGloop I think they both had similar things like that. 03:43 VanessaE last time I watched that was about the time they introduced Cell. 03:43 VanessaE so that's...shit, 15 years ago? :) 03:43 jojoa1997|Tablet Bedtime cya 03:43 VanessaE night 03:44 jojoa1997|Tablet Vanessae get some sleep it is late for you 03:44 VanessaE it's only a quarter of 12 03:44 NekoGloop only 11:40 03:44 jojoa1997|Tablet If you woke up before eight 03:44 VanessaE early for me :_) 03:44 VanessaE :) 03:44 jojoa1997|Tablet Ok 03:44 VanessaE hah! 03:44 VanessaE I got up at 1pm or something 03:44 jojoa1997|Tablet I wake up at 5 03:44 NekoGloop http://mtgcardsmith.com/ this is cool 03:44 jojoa1997|Tablet Cya 03:45 jojoa1997|Tablet Nekogloop make tool and block carda 03:53 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#OSBCTrYh 03:54 VanessaE hard hack! 03:54 NekoGloop http://ifunny.mobi/#TvStIInj 04:01 VanessaE http://ifunny.mobi/#1zlsXcms 04:01 VanessaE :'( 04:05 khonkhortisan There was a very similar story in the news that involved flower delivery 04:06 NekoGloop Ah, i saw that. 04:07 NekoGloop Reminds me of when i go to play the game. The ingame mother has so much shit she sends you xD 04:12 VanessaE http://ifunny.mobi/#lcXFTRKh 04:12 VanessaE aw damn, he left. 04:12 ecube o.o 04:14 hmmmm http://ompldr.org/vaHVlcA 04:14 hmmmm ore distribution using 3d perlin noise 04:14 hmmmm now you can define where it's concentrated 04:15 VanessaE nice 04:15 hmmmm you can have an "iron rich" area of the map or "tin deficient" area 04:17 VanessaE very nie 04:17 VanessaE nice 04:33 kaeza http://ifunny.mobi/#DKq3xhGr 04:43 ShadowNinja http://ifunny.mobi/#hmREiYSr ikr 05:04 VanessaE bbl 05:17 kaeza http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77750#p77750 > "when I first saw the game, I was dumbfounded by the inventory screen; I only understood it when I played with my brother for the first time and he explained that the cube of 9 squares was used to "craft" things (from the appearance, I had assumed that it was mere inventory space)" 05:17 kaeza I think MT needs at least labels for the "inventory" and "crafting table" 05:19 VanessaE http://ifunny.mobi/#j9tfnrLq 05:19 VanessaE point him to that 05:19 VanessaE :D 05:19 VanessaE :trollface: 05:19 kaeza leave that wine bottle RIGHT NOW! 05:19 kaeza :D 05:20 kaeza :trollface: 05:20 kaeza also, srsly, WTF http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5215 05:21 * kaeza goes back to texturing 05:21 VanessaE make some new objects for homedecor ;-) 05:23 kaeza VanessaE, +1 05:23 kaeza where's Jordach's list when you need it? 05:24 VanessaE http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=59327#p59327 05:24 VanessaE right there :) 05:24 VanessaE (not that most of it is actually useful though; sorry Jordach) 05:24 kaeza dishwashers and washing makines would be nice... if we had something to wash :D 05:24 kaeza -k+ch 05:25 kaeza every time I look at that list I'm like "HORY SHET!!" 05:25 VanessaE lol 05:28 VanessaE ok, time for bed. 05:28 VanessaE night 05:36 kaeza nite 05:36 NekoGloop ...hi 05:36 kaeza hai Neko 05:36 kaeza is it possible to have nodeboxes extend > 0.5 or < -0.5 05:36 kaeza ? 05:38 NekoGloop yes 05:39 kaeza then something is fuxed up in my code :( 05:41 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_O2DK2HDPg This is... beautiful 05:42 kaeza cool! I just noticed a way to do one-way doors ^_^ 05:44 kaeza weird bug if you can call that 05:45 kaeza if you make a 0-width nodebox, you can go thru it one way but not the other 05:54 * NekoGloop puts a kitten on kaeza's head because he looks like he could use one 05:55 kaeza * the kitten goes thru kaeza's head because of the fucked up collision system 05:59 * NekoGloop puts a lot on so that they stack and one is on top of his head 06:13 * NekoGloop gives kaeza a pie 06:22 * NekoGloop gives kaeza a pie 06:30 ShadowNinja kaeza: signs from home decor only check protection if you are placing a sign on the floor 06:30 ShadowNinja so placing on posts and walls works 06:30 kaeza huh? 06:30 kaeza haven't tested it with any protection yet 06:31 ShadowNinja well the code only checks for wdir==1 06:33 ShadowNinja it also has some indentation issues, and it is indented with spaces 06:34 ShadowNinja looks like it was designed with a tab width of 4 06:34 kaeza fixed it 06:35 kaeza fixing indentation now 06:36 kaeza well actually... does copying lines 148-151 to before 155 fix the problem? 06:36 kaeza s/155/138/ 06:37 ShadowNinja it should, but you could even move it just below the else 06:39 ShadowNinja I think we need a minetest.canInteract(pos, name) that would just return true normally and would be overriden by protection mods 06:39 kaeza that would actually be a good idea 06:41 kaeza but can't something like that be done with minetest.register_on_placenode? 06:41 ShadowNinja I have a rewriten node_ownership mod that could use this 06:41 kaeza ...I guess not 06:42 ShadowNinja well yes, but what if you want to check if an area is owned for placing the top half of a refrigerator for example 06:43 ShadowNinja and it is done by overriding item_place_node 06:47 kaeza BTW, I think I fell in love with this guy http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77755#p77755 07:20 celeron55 "isn't something that needs advanced computer science degrees" 07:20 celeron55 lol 07:20 celeron55 nothing needs advanced computer science degrees 07:21 celeron55 you always just need some basic math and a desire to hack around; the rest will come out from that 07:23 celeron55 and time 07:27 Jordach i leave my pc on overnight and im pinged like fuck 07:32 kaeza Jordach, PING 07:32 kaeza 08:32 Jscherro hey 08:36 Jscherro everyone sleeping? :( 08:48 Jscherro how do i choose and define a spawn 08:49 ironzorg why would you do that 08:49 ironzorg maybe it's saved somewhere in the metadata 08:49 Jscherro i need it because some times i spawn in the air and other places and take fall damage 08:50 Jscherro would want to build a spawning area on my serve 08:52 Jscherro can i see my location with some keypress ingame? 09:04 kaeza static_spawn = (X, Y, Z) in minetest.conf 09:05 kaeza Jscherro, ^ 09:06 kaeza also, F5 shows your pos in-game 09:11 Jscherro i did find out and put it in 09:11 Jscherro but people still spawn weird places 09:12 Jscherro try join it 09:12 Jscherro its in the server browser.. the powernoob serve 09:16 Jscherro any good mods to add monsters? 09:16 Jscherro any good rpg mods in general? 09:16 Jscherro maybe classes or abilities 09:22 kaeza Jscherro, for monsters, try MOBF or Simple Mobs 09:22 kaeza IDK about RPG mods, but if you find one please share :) 09:23 kaeza actually, there's the specialties mod somewhere 09:23 Jscherro hehe 09:23 Jscherro k 09:23 Jscherro ill look for mobf and simple mobs 09:25 kaeza hmm... I think my next project will be getting some mods and adapt (or write my own outright) to add more RPG elements to MT 09:25 Jscherro mobf = mob framework? 09:25 kaeza yep 09:25 Jscherro k but is it mobs out of the box or do i need to work for it? 09:25 Jscherro im no modder 09:25 kaeza (a.k.a. Animal Modpack) 09:26 Jscherro but would like to be 09:26 Jscherro i just want some mobs in the world.. especially at night 09:26 kaeza hmm... IDK if MOBF works out of the nox in already generated worlds 09:26 kaeza but if you create a new one it will work 09:26 Jscherro ok 09:26 Jscherro i could do that 09:27 kaeza s/nox/box/ 09:27 Jscherro hehe 09:27 Jscherro what happens if all animals are keeeled 09:27 kaeza they just respawn :) 09:27 Jscherro ok 09:27 Jscherro ill make a new world ten 09:27 Jscherro then 09:29 Jscherro if i put mods in the mods folder all worlds will use it right 09:29 Jscherro if i put it in the worldmods in the world folder only that one world will 09:29 kaeza to avoid being unclear, MOBF does work on already generated worlds, but already generated parts of the world will not have monsters due to the way it is written (?) 09:29 kaeza yes 09:30 kaeza better put it in worlds/yourworld/game/mods/ if you don't want them to appar on other worlds 09:30 kaeza +e 09:30 Jscherro lua error 09:30 Jscherro on animals modpack 09:31 Jscherro i see lots of errors when itry to add mods 09:31 kaeza can you pastebin the output in debug.txt? 09:31 Jscherro ye 09:32 Jscherro ------------- 09:32 Jscherro Separator 09:32 Jscherro ------------- 09:32 Jscherro Automatically selecting world at [C:\Users\Stuen\Desktop\minetest-0.4.5\bin\..\worlds\world] 09:32 Jscherro 10:31:50: ERROR[main]: mod "moretrees-master" has unsatisfied dependencies: "plants_lib" 09:32 Jscherro 10:31:50: ERROR[main]: Error loading mod "animals_modpack-2.0.4": modname does not follow naming conventions: Only chararacters [a-z0-9_] are allowed. 09:32 Jscherro 10:31:50: ERROR[main]: Server: Failed to load and run C:\Users\Stuen\Desktop\minetest-0.4.5\bin\..\mods\minetest\animals_modpack-2.0.5\animals_modpack-2.0.4\init.lua 09:32 Jscherro 10:31:50: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ModError: Failed to load and run C:\Users\Stuen\Desktop\minetest-0.4.5\bin\..\mods\minetest\animals_modpack-2.0.5\animals_modpack-2.0.4\init.lua 09:32 Jscherro In thread 824: 09:32 Jscherro ..\..\src\minetest-0.4.5\src\main.cpp:1802: main: Assertion '0' failed. 09:32 Jscherro Debug stacks: 09:32 Jscherro DEBUG STACK FOR THREAD 824: 09:32 Jscherro #0 main 09:32 Jscherro (Leftover data: #1 Dedicated server branch) 09:33 Jscherro getting a cup of coffee 09:33 kaeza in the future, try using a site like pastebin.com 09:33 kaeza but.. 09:34 kaeza regarding mobf, try renaming it to just 'animals_modpack' 09:35 Jscherro ok 09:35 kaeza also, rename moretrees-master to just 'moretrees', and install plantlife mod 09:35 kaeza (to solve unsatisfied dependency on plants_lib) 09:37 Jscherro vanessas plantlife? 09:37 kaeza yep 09:37 Jscherro k 09:38 Jscherro Automatically selecting world at [C:\Users\Stuen\Desktop\minetest-0.4.5\bin\..\worlds\world] 09:38 Jscherro [Plantlife Library] Loaded 09:38 Jscherro [Poison Ivy] Loaded. 09:38 Jscherro [Junglegrass] Loaded. 09:38 Jscherro [Flowers] Loaded. 09:38 Jscherro [Moretrees] Loaded (2013-02-11) 09:38 Jscherro 10:38:21: ERROR[main]: Error loading mod "animals_modpack-2.0.4": modname does not follow naming conventions: Only chararacters [a-z0-9_] are allowed. 09:38 Jscherro 10:38:21: ERROR[main]: Server: Failed to load and run C:\Users\Stuen\Desktop\minetest-0.4.5\bin\..\mods\minetest\animals_modpack\animals_modpack-2.0.4\init.lua 09:38 Jscherro 10:38:21: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ModError: Failed to load and run C:\Users\Stuen\Desktop\minetest-0.4.5\bin\..\mods\minetest\animals_modpack\animals_modpack-2.0.4\init.lua 09:38 Jscherro In thread ae8: 09:38 Jscherro ..\..\src\minetest-0.4.5\src\main.cpp:1802: main: Assertion '0' failed. 09:38 Jscherro Debug stacks: 09:38 Jscherro DEBUG STACK FOR THREAD ae8: 09:38 Jscherro #0 main 09:38 Jscherro why it still called -2.0.4 i removed that 09:39 Jscherro sec 09:39 kaeza ...use pastebin.com :) 09:39 kaeza someone will yell at you if you paste that much text here 09:39 Jscherro rofl sry yea didnt know what paastebin was 09:40 kaeza np 09:43 Jscherro will it work if i just copy the rars into the folder 09:44 Jscherro not extracting them 09:45 kaeza nope 09:45 kaeza lemme see 09:45 kaeza hm.. 09:46 Jscherro i removed what you said from the names 09:47 Jscherro but theres a subfolder in the animals mod that also is named -2.0.4 09:47 kaeza let's see... find the folder that has a 'modpack.txt' file in it 09:48 kaeza it should be animals_modpack-2.0.4 09:50 kaeza wait 09:50 jscherro2 sry got discoed 09:50 kaeza why is init.lua in animal_modpack-2.0.4?? 09:51 jscherro2 its not 09:51 jscherro2 there isnt ont 09:51 jscherro2 one* 09:51 kaeza no I misread that part sorry 09:51 kaeza find the folder that has a 'modpack.txt' file in it 09:52 jscherro2 its in the main folder 09:52 kaeza move that folder to mods/ 09:52 jscherro2 animals_modpack folder 09:52 jscherro2 it is 09:53 jscherro2 ahh sry 09:53 kaeza O.o 09:53 jscherro2 yea one folder back.. moving it 09:53 jscherro2 they are all in the mods/minetest folder 09:53 kaeza so you have mods/minetest/animal_modpack/modpack.txt 09:54 kaeza (and all the other folders) 09:54 jscherro2 yes 09:54 kaeza does it run now? 09:55 jscherro2 i moved it now and the pilzadam mobs folder and it seems to run now 09:55 jscherro2 so basically some mods need to be in the root mods folder not the minetest folder 09:55 kaeza nope 09:55 jscherro2 k 09:55 kaeza all mods must be in mods/minetest/ 09:56 jscherro2 hmm k 09:58 kaeza one note: never use WinRAR/WinZip's option to "Extract mods to own folder" or such with MT mods 09:58 kaeza they are (almost always) ready to be extracted directly into your mods/minetest/ folder 09:58 jscherro2 ok 10:04 jscherro2 thank you so much kaeza you helped alot 10:04 kaeza np; anytime :) 10:05 kaeza did it work ok this time? 10:05 jscherro2 yea 10:05 jscherro2 there are some desert men and some sheep in the game 10:05 jscherro2 and i see better trees too with fruits and stuff on em 10:06 kaeza you should also try farming and farming 10:06 kaeza _plus 10:06 jscherro2 if you start to do a rpg mod.. would you consider taking me on the ride .. been playinig roleplaying all my life both pen and paper but ofcourse also various computer rpgs and mmos 10:07 kaeza also food to add banana trees (??) 10:07 kaeza I'm more of a jRPG fan, but sure 10:07 kaeza :) 10:07 jscherro2 :) 10:14 jscherro2 what the 10:14 jscherro2 looked through all pages couldnt find farming plus 10:15 kaeza https://github.com/PilzAdam/farming_plus/zipball/master 10:17 jscherro2 tnx marte 10:17 jscherro2 mate 10:18 kaeza np. I also can't find it in the forums 10:18 kaeza I found it here http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/viewmod.php?id=39 10:19 jscherro2 awww man 10:19 jscherro2 http://pastebin.com/rw2kZRq5 10:21 jscherro2 i got the plants mod also .. said that farming was depending on that 10:21 jscherro2 or nature 10:21 jscherro2 cant rememeber the name 10:21 kaeza ugh >.< 10:22 kaeza maybe VanessaE updated plants_lib and broke farming (?) 10:22 jscherro2 ah 10:23 kaeza PilzAdam will have to update though 10:23 jscherro2 k 10:23 kaeza let me check locally 10:23 jscherro2 k 10:27 kaeza wait... it seems that is not the same farming mod I have here 10:27 jscherro2 ok 10:29 kaeza where did you doenload farming from? 10:29 kaeza -e+w 10:29 jscherro2 mmm from the forums 10:29 jscherro2 i THINK 10:29 kaeza there are like 3 farming mods 10:29 jscherro2 ... 10:29 jscherro2 k 10:30 jscherro2 let me delete farming folder and keep the others and farming plus 10:30 jscherro2 its a mod with plowing ect 10:30 kaeza try this one instead: https://github.com/PilzAdam/farming/zipball/master 10:31 jscherro2 k 10:31 jscherro2 i need a neko nature mod i think 10:32 jscherro2 wait i got that.. 10:32 jscherro2 but it luas 10:33 kaeza neko nature has some weird bugs; dunno if the guy keeps updating it 10:34 jscherro2 http://pastebin.com/9CkTSdsn 10:34 kaeza It's a shame cause it was a good pack 10:34 jscherro2 should i remove neko and the farming mods 10:34 jscherro2 btw do you guys play and build alot or just play around modding :) 10:35 kaeza rename to 'farming' and 'farming_plus' respectively 10:35 jscherro2 roger 10:35 kaeza I play and mod :) 10:36 kaeza if you like survival gameplay, my I suggest this? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4738 10:36 jscherro2 looks fun 10:39 jscherro2 ahh ye that works 10:39 jscherro2 now tho i have lots of unknown blocks.. pink ones 10:39 jscherro2 you know if more trees have any dependencies i may have deleted 10:40 kaeza look at moretrees/depends.txt 10:40 kaeza see if you have all the mods listed in that file 10:40 jscherro2 says plant lib 10:40 kaeza plants_lib is part of plantlife 10:41 jscherro2 ahh 10:41 jscherro2 ofcourse 10:43 jscherro2 goodness tnx 10:43 jscherro2 lets start working on the MTRPG mod 10:43 jscherro2 i cant code but i can find resources.. do research ect 10:46 kaeza not right now I'm afraid 10:46 jscherro2 ;D 10:46 kaeza but feel free to give any suggestions on what to add etc 10:47 kaeza I'm currently working on updating my computer mod, survival_modpack, and adding some i18n support to the engine 10:47 jscherro2 well for one.. just 4 classes or so with possible more to come.. 1 key attribute for each to enhance skills/abilities. more monsters.. more items. more dungeons. some sort of lvling system based on how much you do a certain thing.. forexample more hits with your sword on a monster increases your melee damage 10:48 jscherro2 x amount of skillups with main skill or ability for your class grants you a lvl up with bonus hp/mana/endurance 10:49 kaeza most of that isn't possible ATM 10:49 jscherro2 k 10:49 jscherro2 was afraid so :P 10:50 kaeza hmm... actually, I haven't tested if the inventory size can be changed 10:53 jscherro2 i do think i saw some mods who altered inventory 10:53 jscherro2 should be possible 10:55 kaeza anyway, I think I'm off to bed for now (7:54 AM already) 10:55 kaeza night/morning all 10:55 jscherro2 sleep well 10:55 jscherro2 cya later mate 10:58 jscherro2 amg 10:58 jscherro2 pilz 10:59 jscherro2 in the survival mod.. you know how i make food? im starving i think.. i take damage some times 11:06 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 11:07 jscherro2 sup pilz 11:07 PilzAdam *Adam 11:08 jscherro2 sup Adam 11:53 jscherro2 hmmm my server crashes randomly 11:53 jscherro2 after some time 11:54 jscherro2 it just dies 11:59 jscherro2 http://pastebin.com/Z1XU9WMu 11:59 jscherro2 anyone get that??? 11:59 jscherro2 after those 3 leftover data the server crashes 12:00 PilzAdam its a bug in the survival_hunger mod 12:00 jscherro2 oh 12:00 PilzAdam post line 6 in the forum thread for it 12:00 PilzAdam the mod developer should know the rest 12:01 jscherro2 k 12:02 kaeza aww shit 12:03 kaeza lemme fix that one 12:03 kaeza anyway can't sleep 12:17 kaeza jscherro2, fixed, please re-download 12:19 kaeza hai LAD 12:20 LAD hi 12:20 LAD ... 12:21 LAD im here to ask if any four people would like to join my "The Walls" PvP game coming soon i just need four more :) 12:22 kaeza I have already posted in the topic :) 12:22 LAD ok 3 more than 12:22 PilzAdam are hacked clients allowed? 12:33 LAD kaeza 12:33 LAD oops 12:33 LAD and no if i find you with a hacked client i'll ban you :) 12:39 jscherro2 aw man 12:39 LAD i only need 2 more people to join any one ??? 12:40 jscherro2 cant have protection blocks without creative mode? :( 12:40 jscherro2 i hate that creative mode 12:40 jscherro2 people should start with nothing but their hands then work their way up to tools 12:41 kaeza upi aren't using minimal game are you? 12:41 kaeza you* 12:41 jscherro2 no i dont think so 12:42 jscherro2 whats that 12:42 kaeza when you select a world does it say [minimal] or [minetest]? 12:42 jscherro2 minetest 13:12 Kacey hi all 13:16 jojoa1997|Tablet People 13:16 jojoa1997|Tablet I have an annoucwment 13:17 jojoa1997|Tablet Uh..... 13:17 jojoa1997|Tablet I can't believe I forgot 13:17 jojoa1997|Tablet Stupid dog 13:33 Kacey huh 13:34 Kacey hi hmmmm 13:34 hmmmm hi 13:39 STHGOM hi! 13:39 STHGOM *sparky the happy girrafe of minetest 14:06 VanessaE good morning 14:19 STHGOM good morning! 14:21 STHGOM welcome! 14:25 kaeza morning V 14:25 VanessaE hey 14:26 STHGOM WELCOME EVERYONE! 14:26 STHGOM UN-WELCOME EVERYONE! 14:26 kaeza been tweaking a few items for homedecor, but came across nasty bugs in collision detection 14:26 VanessaE so I saw 14:27 kaeza it seems a too thin nodebox is not taken into account from some directions 14:28 VanessaE you sure you have sorted the nodebox coordinates? 14:29 VanessaE that's the only time I've seen that happen 14:30 kaeza hmm... I guess so. I'll pastebin the nodeboxes. 14:31 kaeza is the only requirement that pos1.x < pos2.x, etc? 14:31 VanessaE all three coords 14:31 VanessaE x1 < x2, y1 < y2, z1 < z2 14:32 kaeza seems like so http://pastebin.com/eEP1giBr 14:33 VanessaE looks okay to me 14:35 kaeza tried making the boxes thicker, but the bug is still there 14:36 kaeza maybe something related to nodeboxes > 1.0 in size? 14:36 VanessaE odd.. maybe so? 14:36 VanessaE what are you making anyway> 14:37 kaeza a desk 14:37 VanessaE ah 14:37 VanessaE bear in mind that nodeboxes > 1 full node will automatically tile the textures 14:37 VanessaE and the tiling doesn't work in the horizontal direction 14:37 kaeza hmm 14:38 kaeza maybe I should split it into two nodes then 14:38 kaeza hai Neko 14:38 VanessaE yeah 14:42 thexyz and this is damn wrong too 14:42 VanessaE which is? 14:42 thexyz > 1 full node 14:43 thexyz well, if it's slightly more than 1 full node, then nothing is wrong 14:43 VanessaE is it wrong if the engine allows it, or wrong when the engine doesn't handle it properly (e.g. tiling textures cleanly, or stretching them) 14:43 kaeza err... doesn't default door use nodeboxes > 1? 14:43 thexyz no 14:44 thexyz it's against the boxelness, i think 14:44 kaeza nvm... will do single node things for now and work on multinode things later 14:46 thexyz you'll have to manually handle all nodes which can be placed inside your "second" node 14:47 thexyz then your code gets cluttered with dirty hacks 14:47 VanessaE there's a very simple solution: Make sure your selection box covers the whole node. 14:48 VanessaE then the engine will think you're selecting the lower node and will place objects relative to that. 14:48 thexyz that's another hack, not a solution 14:48 thexyz you still can place blocks inside 14:48 VanessaE sure, fi you can *get* inside the extra-large node 14:48 RealBadAngel theres no limit for nodeboxes size 14:48 VanessaE if* 14:48 thexyz or place a fence and then click its side 14:48 thexyz should work too 14:48 RealBadAngel just remember textures will be tiled for actual node size 14:49 RealBadAngel but you can make nodebox 10 times bigger that node 14:49 kaeza yeah... I've seen your "stairs" lol 14:50 thexyz though that's discouraged 14:50 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/XlaJbXk.jpg 14:51 kaeza about a "trash can"... full node or a bit smaller? 14:51 NekoGloop Best stair node ever 14:51 RealBadAngel i just wait for some1 made aeroplane, train or ship 14:52 RealBadAngel it is possible to do so 14:52 thexyz why did all those people get so butthurted about non-renewable lava? 14:52 RealBadAngel node is not the limit 14:53 RealBadAngel hehe dunno 14:53 tripod Hey guys 14:53 tripod just saying, love you all 14:53 RealBadAngel as some1 noticed dirt is more rare than lava 14:54 NekoGloop Because it was something that made minetest different than minecraft. 14:54 PilzAdam oh, so we want a bad game as long as it differs from minecraft? 14:55 NekoGloop How the fuck does renewable lava make it a bad game. 14:55 PilzAdam it makes things too easy 14:55 PilzAdam wich is boding 14:55 PilzAdam *boring 14:55 NekoGloop What the hell is it making easy. 14:56 RealBadAngel game shall force players to wander, dig and look for solutions 14:56 kaeza ^ 14:56 PilzAdam if you get endless lava when you find 2 sources, then its easy 14:56 RealBadAngel puting 2 sources to get infinite is just braindead 14:56 kaeza Actually, meh 14:56 kaeza I have also non-renewable water in my copy 14:57 NekoGloop game shall force players to be bored while searching for the millionth lava. 14:57 kaeza ...which paired with finite liquids make interesting results 14:57 RealBadAngel no 14:57 RealBadAngel game shall be life like 14:57 VanessaE I'm waiting for screenshots showing non-renewable water that doesn't look like shit and won't kill server performance before I switch to that 14:58 NekoGloop So the game will be boring and make players want to commit suicide? 14:59 RealBadAngel what make games boring is the easiness gettin everything 14:59 RealBadAngel when youre forced to work to get something its different 15:00 RealBadAngel i know what im talkin abour 15:00 tripod yeah 15:00 RealBadAngel ive killed diablo playin in my students hostel with a trainer 15:00 tripod games withoyt learning curve = shit. 15:00 RealBadAngel in 2 weeks it was dead 15:00 NekoGloop ... 15:00 PilzAdam thats the problem with letting everyone decide what should be in minetest_game; most people arent game developers and dont know what should be in a good game 15:01 tripod gamers should know what they want in a game :P 15:01 tripod i'd like to think so 15:01 VanessaE the problem with that theory, PilzAdam, is that you need regular USERS too. 15:01 RealBadAngel they dont know 15:01 VanessaE people who can tell you what they want to play 15:01 NekoGloop Pilz, you're just becoming a tyrant now. 15:01 PilzAdam tripod, they dont, look at all the cheaters out there 15:01 RealBadAngel human is a weird being 15:02 RealBadAngel game shall be hard and tough 15:02 NekoGloop "Game shall be impossible" -RealBadAngel in 2 months 15:02 NekoGloop "My game. Mine." -Pilz in 2 months. 15:02 RealBadAngel lol 15:02 NekoGloop "Whatever." -c55 in 2 months 15:03 VanessaE "This shit needs a total rewrite" -hmmmm in 2 months. 15:03 RealBadAngel "Meow." NekoGloop in 2 months. 15:03 VanessaE (except hmmmm will probably be right :D ) 15:03 NekoGloop Hey, if hmmmm takes over minetest, I'd play it more. 15:04 RealBadAngel it already happened 15:04 hmmmm >imblygin that didn't already happen 15:04 NekoGloop Hah, no 15:04 NekoGloop Pilz is currently the one in-control of the game. 15:04 VanessaE eha? 15:04 VanessaE wha 15:04 VanessaE *looks at hmmmm* 15:04 NekoGloop hmmmm is merely playing with the engine. 15:04 hmmmm maybe the lua game 15:05 hmmmm he's definitely in charge of minetest_game because that's a minefield 15:05 hmmmm too many opinions and whatever 15:05 kaeza1 well...look at what a single line change caused lol 15:05 hmmmm don't want to deal with it :) 15:05 NekoGloop So you put the heartless bastard without a care in the world about the community in charge of minetest_game? 15:05 VanessaE hmmmm: chickenshit ;) 15:05 VanessaE NekoGloop: no, c55 did. :) 15:06 hmmmm ha ha, i also don't like lua and whatever 15:06 hmmmm the core development suits me better because it's more fun 15:06 NekoGloop Here's a thing: Make selection boxes work 15:06 hmmmm vanessae, what if there was an ore type that did this http://ompldr.org/vaHVpeg 15:06 NekoGloop (intersecting ones don't look like shit) 15:06 hmmmm would you go for that? 15:07 VanessaE hmmmm: Not sure I would but I guarantee you RealBadAngel would! 15:07 NekoGloop clouds/marble/granite 15:07 VanessaE status code 15:07 hmmmm i know ;; 15:07 hmmmm stratus rather 15:07 hmmmm he said that's not the way it's supposed to look 15:07 VanessaE er stratus 15:07 Exio hahaha 15:07 VanessaE still 15:07 Exio [12:03:18] <@VanessaE> "This shit needs a total rewrite" -hmmmm in 2 months. 15:07 VanessaE put that underground and make it thin and you've got a winner 15:08 hmmmm oh - yeah - i have it at height = 7 15:08 kaeza1 PilzAdam, suggestion: make minetest.register_node use selection_box = node_box for those nodes that don't explicitly give a selectionbox (and are of "nodebox" drawtype) 15:08 hmmmm which was the default for something 15:08 RealBadAngel https://www.google.pl/search?q=minetest+stratus&hl=pl&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=s3NMUZenA4nXPZO5gbAB&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1349&bih=600#imgrc=ObA8q-erFNn3aM%3A%3BNJJTCeFvANmHLM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252F1.bp.blogspot.com%252F-Nrg-RATVguI%252FUEKEDAUecxI%252FAAAAAAAAAF4%252F37E3TYd7MKA%252Fs1600%252FDSC_0453.JPG%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fforum.minetest.net%252Fviewtopic.php%253Fid%253D3213%3B1600%3B1071 15:08 Exio wtf 15:08 hmmmm jeezus 15:08 kaeza1 wut 15:08 Exio RealBadAngel: real link, please 15:08 VanessaE hmmmm: use this code to implement my idea of hard iron at the base of the map + lava/magma just above :-) 15:08 NekoGloop Can you please stop copying the link out of google. 15:08 PilzAdam BAN! 15:08 VanessaE (or not) 15:08 NekoGloop PilzAdam, stop being a tyrant. 15:08 RealBadAngel ooops 15:09 RealBadAngel http://explorock.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/10_estratigrafc3ada-tc3adpica-de-la-formacion-pamplona.jpg 15:09 VanessaE http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nrg-RATVguI/UEKEDAUecxI/AAAAAAAAAF4/37E3TYd7MKA/s1600/DSC_0453.JPG 15:09 hmmmm well, you can do that yourself 15:09 VanessaE the real link ^^^^^^ 15:09 hmmmm by calling register_ore 15:09 mauvebic why do selection boxes not highlight at certain angles? 15:09 VanessaE mauvebic: known bug 15:09 RealBadAngel http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nrg-RATVguI/UEKEDAUecxI/AAAAAAAAAF4/37E3TYd7MKA/s1600/DSC_0453.JPG 15:09 VanessaE RealBadAngel: ninja'd 15:09 hmmmm RealBadAngel, so it's just supposed to be a layer like that? 15:09 NekoGloop Actually he ninja'd you. 15:09 VanessaE [03-22 11:10] http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nrg-RATVguI/UEKEDAUecxI/AAAAAAAAAF4/37E3TYd7MKA/s1600/DSC_0453.JPG 15:09 VanessaE [03-22 11:10] http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nrg-RATVguI/UEKEDAUecxI/AAAAAAAAAF4/37E3TYd7MKA/s1600/DSC_0453.JPG 15:09 VanessaE :-) 15:09 hmmmm the problem was that it's too thick? 15:09 NekoGloop that's your end 15:10 VanessaE hmmmm: in your example yeah, but that's nothing from nothing. 15:10 VanessaE oh 15:10 NekoGloop :-) 15:10 VanessaE reading comprehension FAIL 15:10 VanessaE "_ 15:10 VanessaE :) 15:11 kaeza1 how about we add Mako to the center of the earth? 15:11 VanessaE Mako? 15:11 kaeza1 :P 15:11 NekoGloop FF7 reference ftw 15:11 kaeza1 ^ not firefox 15:12 hmmmm you know, honestly 15:12 VanessaE who still uses firefox 7? ;) 15:12 hmmmm i can do a way better job 15:12 VanessaE hmmmm: hm? 15:12 hmmmm i'm going to do my own "stratus" code and i'll show you guys the result 15:12 kaeza1 hmmmmite 15:12 NekoGloop Add a cloud layer! Make the clouds be momentum-absorbing! 15:13 NekoGloop (i.e. the cushions from jumping mod) 15:13 mauvebic kaeza : started coroutine spawn of dominion battleship last night, still going strong this morning 15:13 RealBadAngel hmmm Just Do Ir (tm) 15:13 RealBadAngel *it 15:13 hmmmm i don't mean to insult the guy who originally wrote the stratus ore code, but it's horrid 15:14 hmmmm and the result isn't spectacular either 15:14 kaeza1 mauvebic, small price to pay for srver responsiveness I think 15:14 kaeza1 +e 15:14 mauvebic im not complaining lol so far there dont seem to be any "holes" (im guessing ittl be 100% first spawn) 15:14 kaeza1 I didn't think it would be used on such many nodes 15:15 hmmmm i'm going to get a blob shape by perlin noise, then and then randomize the y height and starting pos slightly 15:15 mauvebic such many nodes? 15:15 kaeza1 mauvebic, isn't your ship like 2.5 km lon? 15:15 kaeza1 +g 15:15 mauvebic the dom. battleship is 1.245 km long :P (the limit of binvox until i fix it) 15:16 mauvebic but thats where coroutines come in handy: adding billions of nodes lol 15:16 mauvebic if the grid was full you'd have 1 929 781 125 nodes 15:17 Traxie21 Is calinou on? 15:17 kaeza1 well... you can tweak it to make more than one "line" each pass at the cost of less server responsiveness 15:17 mauvebic well at first i did yield() after x number of add nodes 15:17 mauvebic but that slowed down the server where there were alot of empty spaces (cuz loop still iterates) 15:18 mauvebic so i set it yield() to happen after n number of iterations (500) 15:18 mauvebic i could prolly get away with 1000 15:18 kaeza1 then just make it skip air nodes if that can be done 15:18 kaeza1 and only yield every 500 actual set nodes 15:18 mauvebic w/ a binvox you cant skip air nodes, its 1D array representing 3d coordinates using the index, so i have to count the empty ones regardless 15:19 mauvebic if i dont count the air nodes, youll end up with a neat pile of bricks (much like Mr. Fawlty's garden wall) 15:20 mauvebic 'when i asked you to build me a garden wall i thought rather than just dumping the bricks in a pile you might have found time to cement them together in the traditional fashion?" :p 15:21 mauvebic problem with yielding only on add nodes is the array can go several thousand iterations of air 15:24 mauvebic coroutines would prolly do a world of good for mobs too *hint* lol 15:25 kaeza1 hmm... 15:25 VanessaE hmmmm: what's the story with finding a way to force-regeneration of unspoiled map areas? are we any closer to being able to do that? 15:25 kaeza1 skipping nodes is way faster than replacing, so you may for example use 2000 nodes or so when skipping air 15:25 hmmmm deleting that block? 15:26 hmmmm it's trivial if you know how to use the sqlite3 tool 15:26 VanessaE that's the problem :-) 15:26 VanessaE I don't know shit from shinola about that 15:26 kaeza1 but use only like 500 for real replacements 15:26 hmmmm yea.. well 15:27 mauvebic sucks that you cant use the sqlquery browser on sqlite lol 15:29 VanessaE what's needed is a visualization tool, something like minetestmapper, but that renders everything found in colors.txt in grayscale, with some sort of colored highlight to show built-up areas. let the user select areas to be deleted, with a quick selection for those not-built-up areas. 15:29 mauvebic well weather or not the spawn routine adds a node its the # of iterations that lockup the server, the value is high enough if you didn't know what was happenning you'd think it was an infinity loop 15:30 mauvebic simpler solution might be something like /unset chunk p1,p2 15:30 mauvebic dont really need a GUI when you have multiple mapping choices 15:31 hmmmm well 15:31 VanessaE mauvebic: the problem is being able to mentally map sections to numbers 15:31 VanessaE which very few people could do 15:31 hmmmm i'll add it in i guess 15:31 kaeza2 mauvebic: if you know the file size beforehand, you may show the player a progress indicator every say 5% 15:31 mauvebic what about pilzadam? his maps seems to have lines/numbers 15:31 hmmmm along with some other things like force-reset emerge queue 15:31 mauvebic progress indicator is in yes :-) index/tablesize 15:31 mauvebic i make no predictions on time, but you at least know how much % is done 15:31 VanessaE his maps don't indicate record numbers in sqlite, just coordinates. 15:32 PilzAdam mauvebic, hm? 15:32 mauvebic yeah but they could be tweaked to 15:32 mauvebic PilzAdam how did you get those lines/numbers on your map? 15:32 VanessaE minetestmapper.py --drawscale 15:32 PilzAdam ^ 15:32 mauvebic ah shit 15:32 mauvebic lol 15:33 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/VanessaE_World_Map.png 15:33 VanessaE same thing on my map, mauvebic 15:33 mauvebic i thought that param meant "draw TO scale" lol 15:33 jojoa1997|Tablet guys 15:33 PilzAdam VanessaE, although I have used the c++ mapper 15:33 mauvebic i prefer the C++ mapper 15:33 mauvebic it takes 10 minutes on my map 15:33 VanessaE PilzAdam: as do I. ^^^ that image was generated thusly. 15:33 mauvebic imagine the python one lol 15:33 jojoa1997|Tablet what would you think about having obsidian tanks where you can store water and lava 15:33 PilzAdam but it cuts the map off at 700 15:33 PilzAdam Exio, 15:34 mauvebic okay, so alls we gotta do is tweak the mapper to show sqlite indexes for the appropriate chunks 15:34 VanessaE --geometry -5000:-5000+10000+10000 15:34 mauvebic 700? i compiled a version that maps 10K in every direction 15:34 VanessaE that's the param I used to get such a large map. 15:34 kaeza jojoa1997|Tablet, point? 15:34 jojoa1997|Tablet so people can have multiple lava nodes but 15:35 jojoa1997|Tablet they wont have to place them 15:35 VanessaE PilzAdam: you have to make sure the map isn't being written do when you run the mapper, that's what causes it to get cut off. 15:35 VanessaE s/the map isn't/the world isn't/ 15:35 PilzAdam yea, I did that 15:36 mauvebic what i should do is write a tweak to misc_register and have register_node generate a colors.txt automat. 15:37 Traxie21 Any win32 compiled minetest for the latest git? 15:37 PilzAdam I could do a build now 15:37 Traxie21 please, or instructions on how with MingGW 15:37 Traxie21 gtg, bbl 15:40 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam could you start a minetest_survival on github 15:40 PilzAdam no 15:42 Exio PilzAdam: hehe :P 15:43 Exio minetest_game will NOT have every mod what is in the forum 15:43 Exio here! 15:43 jojoa1997|Tablet nononono 15:43 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam i mean like how common was added 15:43 jojoa1997|Tablet it isnt another mod i mean another gamemode 15:44 PilzAdam Exio's statement was to the obsidian tanks 15:44 jojoa1997|Tablet oh 15:44 jojoa1997|Tablet i am making a mmod 15:45 jojoa1997|Tablet i dont want tanks in default 15:45 jojoa1997|Tablet it will be very hacky and underdeveloped(my first mod with formspecs) 15:46 NekoGloop Aren't the rest of your mods hacky? 15:46 VanessaE name one of anyones' mods that isn't :) 15:47 jojoa1997|Tablet no 15:47 jojoa1997|Tablet NekoGloop display-blocks, megatools 15:47 PilzAdam VanessaE, farming 15:47 jojoa1997|Tablet they arent hacky 15:48 NekoGloop VanessaE, moreblocks 15:48 VanessaE homedecor ;) 15:49 NekoGloop actually... 15:49 NekoGloop You don't use sounds properly STILL if I'm not misaken 15:49 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, i want screwdriver for upcoming 6d Facedir 15:49 VanessaE NekoGloop: kaeza fixed some of that 15:49 NekoGloop And you don't have the tabletops being olid 15:49 VanessaE most things now use wood sounds I think 15:49 NekoGloop solid* 15:49 NekoGloop That doesn't mean they're correct ;) 15:50 kaeza VanessaE, homedecor not hacky? LOL 15:50 RealBadAngel is wishlist closed already? ;() 15:50 jojoa1997|Tablet npc aint hacky 15:50 VanessaE kaeza: not as hacky as plants_lib :D 15:50 jojoa1997|Tablet or what is about it 15:50 NekoGloop RealBadAngel, no, pilz is just a tyrant and nothing can be added to his precious minetest_game 15:52 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, that is very true. You shall work together with some1 with different attitude. I recommend VanessaE for creating a team responsible for minetest_game 15:52 kaeza ^ 15:53 PilzAdam I actually ask VanessaE about every addition already 15:53 jojoa1997|Tablet ^+1234567890 15:53 jojoa1997|Tablet well she should be able to push then 15:53 VanessaE yeah and then I shoot down most of his ideas but he does them anyway ;-) 15:53 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: no. 15:53 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, just work together 15:53 VanessaE I do not want access to the repos. 15:53 jojoa1997|Tablet gtg lunch is over 15:53 jojoa1997|Tablet why? 15:54 RealBadAngel VanessaE, you shall be granted 15:54 kaeza VanessaE, chickenshit ;) 15:54 kaeza :trollface: 15:54 VanessaE kaeza: yes? your point being......? 15:54 VanessaE ;) 15:54 RealBadAngel yeah 15:54 jojoa1997|Tablet bawk bawk bawk 15:54 RealBadAngel chicken? 15:54 NekoGloop chicken is a nice way of saying coward. 15:55 NekoGloop (or mean, dependent on the context) 15:55 * RealBadAngel can see some chickens aroud 15:55 kaeza yes, they are there -----------------------------------------> 15:55 NekoGloop loluserlistischickenlist 15:56 RealBadAngel imho PilzAdam and VanessaE, will make perfect maintainers pair for minetest_game 15:56 NekoGloop imo me and VanessaE would. fck pilz. :) 15:56 RealBadAngel theyre both workin on extremes 15:57 kaeza NekoGloop, you'll prolly turn everything into cats 15:57 RealBadAngel if they meet in middle, it will be perfect 15:57 NekoGloop kaeza, problem? 15:58 kaeza none at all sir/ma'am 15:58 mauvebic i thinnk i like C55s'' idea to leave the current game alone and expand on a copy of it 15:58 RealBadAngel NekoGloop, youre out, youre to unpredicteable 15:58 RealBadAngel *too 15:58 mauvebic before you end up with a game that just 10-20% of users keep for a,b,c reasons lol 15:59 mauvebic call the new one moretest or mine+ lol 15:59 kaeza mauvebic, in the current scheme, only 5% of users have the game as-is 15:59 NekoGloop I just sit here in the chat room 15:59 NekoGloop I don't even play minetest, you all are just making it shit :) 16:00 RealBadAngel NekoGloop, yeah yeah. who yoy would like to lie? :P 16:00 NekoGloop What is this grammar i don't even 16:00 RealBadAngel youre addicted. 16:00 mauvebic well i haven't played minetest_game in a year lol 16:01 kaeza anyway, I starved in game 16:01 NekoGloop addicted to...? 16:01 kaeza and it didn't crash! \o/ 16:01 mauvebic anyone who's been here long enough got bored with it a long time ago 16:01 RealBadAngel mt 16:01 mauvebic if anything minetest_Game is for the benefit of newbies 16:01 NekoGloop lol, I've seriously not touched it for gameplay since... I got here. 16:02 RealBadAngel mauvebic, i suggest not pointin certain folks with finger 16:02 mauvebic lol what do you mean? 16:02 RealBadAngel otherwise you can stick finger into your own eye 16:02 mauvebic i still dont understand the original statement lol 16:03 RealBadAngel are you bored? 16:03 NekoGloop Don't point the blame at someone 16:03 mauvebic what are both of you talking about? 16:03 RealBadAngel too many statements at the same time lol 16:04 mauvebic something about pointing fingers, fingers in eye, but i dont get it lol 16:04 * john_minetest puts a bunch of octokittens on NekoGloop's head 16:04 mauvebic *im* talking about minetest_game being for newbies lol 16:05 NekoGloop yay i have github-kittenz 16:05 RealBadAngel not just _game 16:05 RealBadAngel mt needs installer 16:05 NekoGloop And it needs an autoupdater 16:06 RealBadAngel yes 16:06 PilzAdam and it needs a faster mapgen, better lighting, weather, per player physics... 16:06 RealBadAngel lately i convinced my friends family to play mt 16:06 RealBadAngel they do now 16:07 PilzAdam support for JS mods, entitiy collision... 16:07 RealBadAngel but i had to install it for them 16:09 mauvebic JS mods? 16:09 mauvebic good heavens 16:09 VanessaE G*d no. 16:10 VanessaE that's the last thing MT needs is js crap 16:10 mauvebic cant we fix the bugs with the current engine/api first before throwing in another language? 16:10 RealBadAngel ok, im off definitely.have to. cya later 16:10 VanessaE if you want to add another language, add a way to write mods in C++. 16:10 VanessaE cia, RBA 16:10 VanessaE ciao* 16:12 mauvebic nodebox flicker, nodebox selection boxes, accidental node replacement, these have been with us for a while now :p 16:12 mauvebic and JS wont enable me to hack around those :p 16:13 Jordach VanessaE, my towers been running for a day now :3 16:14 VanessaE cool 16:16 ironzorg VanessaE | if you want to add another language, add a way to write mods in C++. // this has been heavily argued about in the past, I don't think this is ever going to happen 16:16 VanessaE ironzorg: oh, probably not. 16:16 ironzorg in the past meaning just before lua mods were added 16:16 VanessaE but that's the only legit reason to add a new language. 16:17 VanessaE now that we have Lua I mean 16:17 Traxie21 Is Calinou on? 16:17 mauvebic well with c++ mods, technically you wouldn't be adding a language? youd be using the underlying api calls/functions/wtv? 16:17 PilzAdam Traxie21, win build done 16:17 Traxie21 Just downloaded :3 16:18 Traxie21 Ironically, idk why I use xyz's builds, My graphics card dosnt support directx at all 16:18 VanessaE too bad you don't run debian on amd64. you could use my builds :) 16:18 Traxie21 heh 16:18 Traxie21 I should really get a decent usb drive and install something else on it 16:18 Traxie21 I'm sick of Windows 16:19 Traxie21 EDIT: I should really get a decent job, and get a computer with something else on it. 16:19 VanessaE get almost anything debian-based and you can't go wrong 16:19 PilzAdam Kubuntu ftw 16:20 Traxie21 Oh God 16:20 Traxie21 Adam, we need a new Pull Request 16:20 Traxie21 *feature 16:20 Traxie21 Better resolution support 16:20 Traxie21 I have no idea what Ngleplayr is 16:21 mauvebic KDE :/ 16:21 Traxie21 or Cli En t 16:21 Traxie21 or MINETESTMI 16:21 PilzAdam Traxie21, dunno what causes this in my win builds, its fine in Linux though 16:21 Traxie21 is 16:22 Traxie21 Seems to be my resolution, or texture/driver problems 16:22 PilzAdam btw: I can add you to the Minitest repo if you want to 16:22 Traxie21 I must say, Adam, you are good at a lot of things, but textures is not one of them 16:23 Traxie21 :3 16:23 PilzAdam :-) 16:23 thexyz Traxie21: because mine are the most awesomest ones? 16:23 Traxie21 thexyz: Because I clicked that link first? 16:23 VanessaE I thought we were getting rid of those words along the left side anyway 16:23 Traxie21 Yeah, they're a waste of space 16:24 VanessaE Traxie21: my 16px HDX should be the default texture pack :) 16:24 Traxie21 No please 16:24 mauvebic i made some halfway decent 32p textures for default :p 16:25 PilzAdam Traxie21, added you to MIniTest, just dont break anything 16:25 Traxie21 I wont 16:25 Traxie21 I actually already updated most of the mods on the local game 16:25 PilzAdam add yourself to README.txt as a dev if you want to 16:25 Traxie21 The bows seem really unreliable though... 16:26 Traxie21 Only after I do something :P 16:26 Traxie21 someone who works in C++, idea: allow toggling of collision box drawing on entities. 16:26 mauvebic ? physical = false 16:27 Jordach VanessaE, your TP becoming default; YEAH RIGHT 16:27 VanessaE I was kidding 16:27 mauvebic can you set_yaw on the box? (for rectangular shaped entities like box cars,etc.) 16:27 Jordach i could shit a pack much better than that 16:27 Traxie21 Mauv 16:27 thexyz Jordach: do that. 16:27 PilzAdam oh, about HDX: KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE! 16:27 Traxie21 nope 16:27 kaeza what's wrong with HDX? 16:27 PilzAdam it looks horrible 16:27 kaeza it's preeteh 16:28 Jordach you know what, we should have Gambit's PixelBOX as default 16:28 mauvebic its kinda grainy on my screens 16:28 mauvebic 25" LED and 25" ACl 16:28 Traxie21 VanessaE: Homedecor is awesome, but needs better corner shingles 16:29 kaeza 14'' CRT and they look fine 16:29 mauvebic on a CRT yeah 16:29 Jordach I have a identical screensize to VanessaE 16:29 VanessaE Traxie21: ask hmmmm or c55 or darkrose or thexyz to code an appropriate draw type. 16:29 mauvebic flat screens can light up half a floor lol 16:29 VanessaE or use a metric assload of nodeboxes to fake it 16:29 Traxie21 you need about 4-8 nodeboxes 16:29 PilzAdam Traxie21, about MiniTest: the plan is to include default from common and override stuff in mod called "minitest" 16:30 thexyz what drawtype? 16:30 mauvebic where are the common mods stored? 16:30 PilzAdam games/common 16:30 markveidemanis Hi 16:30 mauvebic easy enough to play w/ 16:31 Traxie21 ok 16:31 mauvebic im just not all that hot on fire/buckets (griefing mostly_) 16:31 Traxie21 I need to get up-to-speed on how to use common 16:31 mauvebic the same way you play with any other mod folder 16:31 VanessaE Traxie21: it wouldn't work with the smooth 45° slope of the roofs. you'd need to use a shitload of really small nodeboxes and fake it. 16:31 mauvebic 4/8 nodeboxes 16:32 mauvebic unless people arrive from the rooftop they wont notice more detail than that 16:32 Traxie21 hmm 16:32 mauvebic you dont wanna see my chain nodebox lol 16:32 Traxie21 PilzAdam: So basically anything from comon will be loaded into all other games? 16:32 mauvebic unless you delete the mods yeah 16:33 PilzAdam Traxie21, not everything and not into every game 16:33 mauvebic or tweak them to register seperate privs for them 16:33 PilzAdam but they are used by many games so there is no need to copy them all the time 16:33 mauvebic copy and end up with varying versions of default 16:33 mauvebic in diff games 16:34 ShadowNinja Traxie21: you don't have to copy the same mod over to a game, now you add common_mods=bucket,default,whatever to game.conf 16:34 Traxie21 ok 16:34 Traxie21 MiniTest is intended to clone MC as best as possible riht? 16:34 PilzAdam yep 16:34 PilzAdam do you play MC? 16:34 Traxie21 Yep 16:35 PilzAdam good 16:35 PilzAdam (I dont) 16:35 Traxie21 Or, I did, but my fav server closed 16:36 mauvebic i think my server beats their star trek server for sheer # and size of ships lol 16:37 Traxie21 VanessaE, your HDX pack is great, just not my type 16:38 Traxie21 PilzAdam: Time for some retexturing 16:38 rubenwardy hi all 16:39 VanessaE hey rubenwardy 16:41 rubenwardy Menche here? 16:41 rubenwardy no. 16:41 kaeza1 okay shit. everyone complains that minetest has not good survival gameplay that it has no real dangers, yet no one gives a fuck about survival_modpack 16:42 kaeza1 hai ruben 16:43 VanessaE kaeza1: I don't complain :-) 16:43 Traxie21 Erm 16:43 Traxie21 Urm 16:44 Traxie21 uhh 16:44 LAD does any one want to volintere for the 2013 "The Walls" PvP match?? 16:44 LAD i only need 2 ? 16:44 markveidemanis How can i talk to OldCoder? 16:44 LAD mark one sec 16:44 VanessaE markveidemanis: try just talking to him? 16:44 markveidemanis Hes not here 16:44 LAD OldCoder is not online at the moment 16:45 LAD but if you go to #OldCoder he is sually there 16:45 VanessaE so wait till he shows up. 16:45 LAD i mean #oldcoder 16:45 LAD mark do you want to join The walls PvP game? 16:46 Traxie21 LAD, how soon does it start? 16:46 LAD Traxie im counting on some time next week 16:46 kaeza might as well reserve it for my local server 16:46 kaeza it makes a great pair with mobf 16:46 LAD because Joajoa1997 is going to vacation the week after next weeek 16:46 rubenwardy hi kaeza 16:47 Traxie21 I warned you Xd 16:47 LAD lol yea but it actuly went by pretty fast.. faster than ithoguth 16:47 LAD it's only been maby what a weeek and a bit and i only need 2 more people 16:48 kaeza rubenwardy, are you still working on your "Minetest Extensions" site? 16:48 rubenwardy yes 16:48 rubenwardy I have not committed my changes for a while 16:48 kaeza may I suggest a few changes? 16:48 rubenwardy of course 16:48 markveidemanis LAD, sure, when is it on 16:49 kaeza ah, then maybe what I have to say was already done, but add at least a "Like" label to the "like" button; it's a bit confusing since it's right under "Download" 16:50 kaeza looks like an actual download button 16:50 Traxie21 PilzAdam: MiniTest using the common files causes the textures to be like normal MT 16:50 LAD im hopeing sometime next week Mark 16:50 rubenwardy Yeah, I was planning to do that. 16:51 rubenwardy I just need a good like button icon 16:51 PilzAdam Traxie21, have you created a mod named "MIniTest" wich depends on default and has all the textures? 16:51 PilzAdam *minitest 16:51 Traxie21 O_o 16:51 Traxie21 Nope 16:51 Traxie21 games/minitest 16:51 LAD markveidemanis i was planing some time enxt week 16:51 rubenwardy I want to have a thumbs up to the left in a box, with space for number of likes 16:53 LAD markveidemanis what team yellow or green 16:53 kaeza sounds reasonable 16:53 markveidemanis green 16:55 Traxie21 PilzAdam, I think I get what you're saying 16:58 markveidemanis I remember as a child waiting for santa to come 16:58 markveidemanis then there was the awkward silence as he got dressed and left... 16:58 markveidemanis LOL 16:59 Traxie21 Ok, it works now 16:59 kaeza O.o 17:00 markveidemanis i dont expect anyone here to get that 17:00 Traxie21 I got it O_o 17:00 markveidemanis funny joke? 17:00 Traxie21 inappropriate more like it 17:00 markveidemanis lol the kids these days 17:00 markveidemanis Im 12 HAHAHAHAH 17:01 Traxie21 I'm 21 :3 17:02 markveidemanis wanna hear an even ruder one or a nicer one 17:02 NekoGloop I'm 88 17:02 markveidemanis I'm 69 17:03 markveidemanis I keep getting confused about Homophobia and Claustrophobia. What is the one anout being in a closet? 17:03 ironzorg is this an edick contest ? 17:04 rubenwardy markveidemanis: lol 17:04 markveidemanis go to http://paste.pound-python.org/show/31520/ for jokes 17:06 kaeza interesting stuff https://bitbucket.org/celeron55/minetest/src 17:07 kaeza wonder if it will even compile 17:08 kaeza actually, maybe 17:09 ironzorg kaeza: feeling nostalgic ? 17:10 ShadowNinja VanessaE: how do you make backups on your server, just cp? 17:10 kaeza ironzorg, I still play 0.2 sometimes 17:10 kaeza interesting terrain ^_^ 17:12 PilzAdam kaeza, play NMPR 17:12 PilzAdam its not bloated 17:13 mauvebic NMPR? 17:13 Dante123 hi all 17:13 mauvebic fps? 17:13 PilzAdam http://dev.minetest.net/Core_Architecture 17:13 Dante123 21 kids were able to login to the server today and it worked fairly well 17:14 PilzAdam Dante123, nice 17:14 Dante123 I have three or four questions. How we get rid of water if it is flooding a village? 17:14 Dante123 Trying to find the source but not sure how the kids did that 17:14 PilzAdam you have to place a block in the sourceblock of the water 17:15 Dante123 I've had trouble finding the source 17:15 Dante123 to do that 17:15 mauvebic can also remove buckets/sources from the inventory 17:15 PilzAdam Dante123, just place dirt in all the water blocks, one of it has to be the source block 17:16 Dante123 Also, how do I give myself (using a different login at school than at home) admin privileges if I am at school and cant do it from home? Or do I have to do it at home first, for the account I use at school 17:16 Traxie21 PilzAdam: Added textures for obsidian and dyes 17:16 PilzAdam Dante123, go to world/your_world/auth.txt and give you the privs there 17:16 Traxie21 Working on your farming mod now 17:16 Dante123 okay, but I will have to do that from home......right now Im at school 17:16 PilzAdam Traxie21, Id like to see one commit per feature/fix 17:17 Dante123 can a simple water bucket be the source for a whole town flooding? 17:17 PilzAdam Dante123, or, if you have the "privs" privilege, you can use the /privs command to grant players the admin privs 17:18 PilzAdam yes, that is possible 17:18 Dante123 but I would have to be logged in from home to give those privileges.....and I cant right now because im at school. Ok i will do that later today. 17:18 Traxie21 Pilz, tell me you dont mean per-texture... 17:18 Traxie21 *adam 17:18 PilzAdam no, not per texture 17:19 Traxie21 so, per-mod then? 17:19 PilzAdam but seperate commits for "Add farming", "Change textures" etc. 17:19 PilzAdam (just like the commits in the minetest repo) 17:19 Traxie21 since all I've done really is change textures, can I just commit all the texture changes? 17:19 PilzAdam yes 17:20 antruxit hello, i'm french so i apologize if i do mistakes :) 17:20 VanessaE ShadowNinja: I have a script I run that backs up all of my files via rsync, minetest stuff gets caught by it. 17:21 ShadowNinja ah, I just finish writing an rsync backup script 17:22 * ShadowNinja needs a good external hard drive 17:22 antruxit i'm new to minetest and i try to code a bit, could some one help me to change the behavior of fences? 17:23 PilzAdam https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/commits/fencelike 17:23 antruxit thanks :) 17:23 Traxie21 Zomg 17:24 Traxie21 Adam, if theres one thing minecraft totally owns you at, its textures. now pumpkins look like... pumpkins. 17:24 PilzAdam also better sounds would be nice 17:26 mauvebic does fire still use those sounds that sound like... well.. uhm.. skrillex? :p 17:26 Traxie21 Sounds later 17:27 ironzorg dubstep fire 17:27 ironzorg ↑ feature 17:28 mauvebic dunno if the grass still sounds like eggshells, i changed those a long time ago, aparently MC uses the ones from freesound.org 17:28 Traxie21 gtg, bbl 17:28 mauvebic which aint a good enuff reason not to use 'em :) 17:29 mauvebic weird, why is lighting even on nodes but not even on nodeboxes (slabs) ? 17:30 kaeza VanessaE, BTW, seen the problem ShadowNinja posted? 17:30 VanessaE ? 17:30 kaeza regarding protection in signs 17:30 VanessaE oh yeah, saw that 17:30 VanessaE all you gotta do is call the homedecor_node_is_owned() function, if it returns nil, either you own the node or it is not owned at all. 17:30 VanessaE (I think) 17:31 VanessaE use that to decide whether to apply the action in questiokn 17:31 VanessaE question* 17:31 kaeza I already fixed that 17:31 VanessaE oh ok 17:32 VanessaE odd, I didn't get a notification from github. 17:32 VanessaE (in email) 17:32 kaeza I'll see if I can SPAM a pull request for a three line change 17:32 VanessaE "this pull request cannot be automatically merged" 17:32 VanessaE :( 17:32 kaeza wot 17:32 kaeza ah 17:32 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor/pull/9 17:32 kaeza that's the old one 17:32 VanessaE shall I just close it? 17:33 kaeza yes please 17:33 VanessaE done 17:33 VanessaE go ahead and hit me with the new ones when you're ready 17:33 VanessaE unlike *some* people here, I don't mind too much ;-) 17:33 PilzAdam VanessaE, do never click the "merge" button in GitHuv 17:33 PilzAdam *GitHub 17:34 PilzAdam it creates a merge commit 17:34 VanessaE PilzAdam: I never have had a problem with it. 17:34 PilzAdam why does anyone need two commits for one feature? 17:34 VanessaE why does it matter? 17:34 VanessaE blame github. 17:36 mauvebic github is practically a lanaguage unto itself lol 17:36 kaeza ok 17:36 PilzAdam github is just a git repo hosting service 17:37 mauvebic and a PITA lol 17:37 VanessaE github could just as easily do a (as you would call it) proper commit as easily as it does a merge. 17:37 VanessaE when you control the server and the repository, you control what happens to it. 17:38 mauvebic imo, anything who's intent is to make group programming easier but requires it's own learning curve is sortof a failure 17:39 PilzAdam git is a powerful tool 17:39 mauvebic not saying git is bad, the UI could benefit from an english version tho lol 17:40 mauvebic or the first people who implement an easy to understand interface will prolly take alot of githubs' pie 17:45 mauvebic http://www.zimg.eu/i/3782919783 18:06 jordan4ibanez YoYoBuddy is a troll 18:13 mauvebic should make people happy : http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5217 18:14 PilzAdam no, it doesnt make people happy 18:14 PilzAdam they will still bitch around 18:14 NekoGloop No, it just makes pilz bitchy 18:14 mauvebic pull it and offer it with game and minimal 18:15 VanessaE bbl 18:17 mauvebic or replace minimal with it 18:17 PilzAdam no, minimal is in the engine repo and should stay there 18:18 mauvebic anyone play w/ it tho? 18:18 PilzAdam no, its for testing engine stuff 18:18 mauvebic allright than pull the other game as classic :p 18:18 mauvebic *then 18:19 mauvebic maybe then people will stop tha bitchin' lol 18:21 Traxie21 Adam 18:22 Traxie21 How would I arrange the pull requests? 18:22 Traxie21 I have the common system, added textures mod, and changed a crapton of textures... how do I revert each change per-request? 18:22 Traxie21 I have yet to set up a repo 18:24 PilzAdam you can push directly to my repo 18:25 Traxie21 I meant a local repo 18:26 jordan4ibanez I think you should ignore the people who are negative about the game and focus on what you would like to see in the game, along with the other developers 18:26 jordan4ibanez pilzadam * 18:27 PilzAdam I do 18:29 Traxie21 Adam, I'm commiting. 18:29 Traxie21 Can you tell me if I'm doing it right? 18:29 PilzAdam sure 18:29 Traxie21 pushing.... 18:30 Traxie21 Done 18:30 Traxie21 https://github.com/PilzAdam/MiniTest 18:30 PilzAdam add newlines to the end of files 18:30 Traxie21 hm? 18:31 Traxie21 I only modified game.conf, I should add newlines to that? 18:33 Traxie21 Added newlines to game.conf 18:34 rubenwardy new food mod promotional image: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/my_mods/food/banner.png 18:35 PilzAdam Traxie21, why mintest.conf? 18:36 Traxie21 18:36 Traxie21 Meant game.conf 18:36 Traxie21 one sec, updating mods 18:38 Traxie21 What does "add newlines to the end of files mean?" 18:38 PilzAdam just add a blank line at the bottom of each file 18:38 Traxie21 ok 18:38 Traxie21 Do you want me to do that on all of your files? 18:38 Traxie21 the only text I've modified is README.txt and game.conf 18:39 PilzAdam you should also update the other mods from minetest_game 18:39 Traxie21 hm? 18:39 PilzAdam like creative 18:39 Traxie21 creative_inventory and such? 18:41 Traxie21 Alrighty, can you test the latest commit? 18:41 Traxie21 Its the same as my local game 18:42 PilzAdam better rename the textures mod into minitest 18:42 PilzAdam and add all the other stuff into its init.lua 18:43 PilzAdam (i.e. everything that needs to be overridden from default) 18:44 PilzAdam for example replace mese with diamonds 18:45 Traxie21 Will do that in a bit, but I'm still updating mods. At 2, I need to go too. 18:45 mauvebic diamonds, gold, stuff that makes mining fun :-) 18:45 PilzAdam yea, all this goes to minitest mod 18:45 mauvebic and all the extra stone you could put into some sort of furnace to make lava 18:46 PilzAdam no, not that 18:46 Traxie21 How do I override mese with diamonds anyhow? 18:46 mauvebic what would you do with it all 18:46 PilzAdam minetest.register_node(":default:mese", {...}) 18:46 rubenwardy Traxie21: you would have to delete the mese definition, and do an alias 18:46 PilzAdam do it for all the mese stuff 18:47 Traxie21 ok.... 18:47 rubenwardy or just change it in default like pilzadam said 18:47 Traxie21 Oi, I don't have that much time XD 18:47 PilzAdam can you delete defintions? 18:47 rubenwardy delete the mese definition: if possibl 18:47 rubenwardy e 18:47 mauvebic yall wanna get rid of mese/blocks/shards/crystalS? 18:47 PilzAdam Traxie21, you dont have to do everything in one day 18:47 Traxie21 Hmm 18:47 PilzAdam leave yourself some time 18:48 Traxie21 Mabye add a TODO section to Readme.txt 18:48 Traxie21 Else I will forget 18:48 PilzAdam no 18:48 PilzAdam write it somewere else in your docs 18:48 PilzAdam but not in the README 18:49 Traxie21 Mabye I should PM myself :3 18:49 rubenwardy my web server is too popular for the plan: 18:49 rubenwardy Warning: mysql_pconnect() [function.mysql-pconnect]: Too many connections in /home/u372522788/public_html/... 18:50 rubenwardy (18:34:47) rubenwardy: new food mod promotional image: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/my_mods/food/banner.png 18:50 rubenwardy just realised there is a cursor in there 18:52 rubenwardy fixed :P 18:53 rubenwardy I am currently working on this: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/my_mods/food/index.php?mode=search 19:01 STHGOM goodluck 19:02 Traxie21 diamonds aliased 19:22 Jordach hai OldCoder 19:22 OldCoder Jordach, Hello 19:38 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam ping 19:38 PilzAdam pong 19:38 jojoa1997|Tablet i suggest moving common somewhere else because it comes up as a game itself 19:39 jojoa1997|Tablet it is meant to be behind the scenes not a game 19:39 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, fix technic; it calls default.generate_ore wrong 19:39 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, you use an outdated version of the engine 19:39 jojoa1997|Tablet nope updated 19:39 PilzAdam common doesnt have a game.conf wich causes the latest engine to not handle it as a gem 19:39 jojoa1997|Tablet like 30 secs ago 19:39 PilzAdam *game 19:40 jojoa1997|Tablet the debug menu comes up as the old txture 19:40 jojoa1997|Tablet shoot 19:41 jojoa1997|Tablet games that depend on default show as missing dependencies 19:41 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, you are probably missing the chunk_size param, wich comes between chunks_per_volume and ores_per_chunk 19:41 Traxie21 Adam: Was I supposed to be comitting to the dev branch or the master? 19:41 PilzAdam dunno 19:41 Traxie21 I just noticed the dev branch now... 19:41 Traxie21 Sheet 19:42 PilzAdam you have to decide such things now :-) 19:42 Traxie21 Oh well, the changes I've made seem stable 19:42 Traxie21 Mese, Mese_Block, Mese_Crystals, and Mese_Crystal_Fragments now are converted to diamond equivelants 19:42 Traxie21 Posted changelog in topic. 19:42 jojoa1997|Tablet huh? 19:42 jojoa1997|Tablet why diamond 19:42 Traxie21 jojoa1997|Tablet: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2589 19:43 jojoa1997|Tablet pilzadam ou need to tell mods that default is in common 19:43 PilzAdam Traxie21, if you want me to add something to the topic then just tell me 19:43 Traxie21 Kape. 19:43 Traxie21 Screenshots? 19:43 jojoa1997|Tablet what there is no diamond? 19:44 jojoa1997|Tablet also pilzadam 19:44 Traxie21 jojoa, its a game meant to copy minecraft as close as possible 19:44 jojoa1997|Tablet mods that depend on default NOW HAVE MISSING DEPENDENCIES 19:44 PilzAdam lemme check 19:45 jojoa1997|Tablet it is looking for default in minetest_game but default is in common 19:45 Traxie21 gtg, bbl 19:45 Traxie21 Cyas 19:46 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, yea, default is marked as missing in the configuration menu, but the mod loads correctly 19:46 PilzAdam so its only a "cosmetic" bug 19:47 jojoa1997|Tablet oh could you chnage that? 19:47 jordan4ibanez Important idea 19:47 PilzAdam jojoa1997|Tablet, posted on -dev 19:47 jordan4ibanez Instead of having nodes be animated, could nodes have an entity's mesh as the node box? 19:48 jordan4ibanez or an entity be parented to a node? 19:48 jordan4ibanez so that when the node is dug, the entity goes away client side 19:48 jordan4ibanez that will make making chests much easier, would be a very good addition to the api also 19:49 PilzAdam *only MC like chests 19:49 jordan4ibanez basically a section of the node def would be like "entityparent = entityname" 19:49 jordan4ibanez This would also be useful for making animated switches, buttons, wheels, doors that swing open 19:49 jordan4ibanez the list goes on and on 19:50 jordan4ibanez grass that swings back and forth, or leaves that sway in the "breeze" 19:50 sokomine how do i handle situations when a lua function doesn't exist yet? will a if( not( player:set_look_yaw )) work? 19:50 PilzAdam yes 19:50 PilzAdam and you dont need the brackets 19:50 PilzAdam ummm 19:50 sokomine no brackets? but brackets are important! 19:50 PilzAdam actually you have to use: if not player.set_look_yaw then 19:51 sokomine ok 19:51 PilzAdam (a . instead of a :) 19:51 sokomine thanks for the help 19:52 jordan4ibanez With an entity parented to a node we could also have lamps that swing back and forth 19:53 jordan4ibanez with the accompliss of particle spawning, we could even have torches that burn out over time 19:54 jordan4ibanez And I also made a cat trap and caught both my stupid cats lol 19:55 sokomine how was the cat trap constructed? :-) 19:55 NekoGloop It wasn't. 19:56 jordan4ibanez http://i.imgur.com/j16Xf7g.jpg 19:56 Jordach anyone got a decent server excluding redcrab's? 19:57 PilzAdam yep 19:59 jordan4ibanez Just a stick tied to a string with a clothes bin propped up lol. 20:00 NekoGloop The cats merely allowed you the pleasure of thinking your trap worked 20:01 jordan4ibanez No, they're dumb, I couldn't trap them a second time 20:01 jordan4ibanez ....yet 20:02 * Calinou puts thermal paste on NekoGloop's head 20:02 Calinou man, you've got mayonnaise on your head :D 20:02 jordan4ibanez An amd processor is just a bunch of intel ones glued together 20:37 Calinou red eclipseooooo! unrelated to minetest, but red eclipse 1.4 is out :D 20:38 Kacey SPRING BREAK 2013!!!!!!!! 20:38 Kacey hi all 20:39 Exio wat Calinou 20:39 Exio i'll download it :D 20:48 ShadowNinja a line of desert sand just spawned in front of me... 20:58 * Kacey kinda likes obsidian glass 21:07 VanessaE finally 21:17 Kacey whatis the name for an admin shop? 21:19 VanessaE a root bar? :-) 21:20 Kacey ? 21:20 VanessaE nevermind, poor attempt at a pun 21:21 Kacey ok then 21:21 Kacey it is official thatyou have lost it 21:21 Jordach VanessaE, win 21:21 Jordach Calinou, NOOOO 21:21 Jordach FUCK 21:21 VanessaE Kacey: years ago. 21:24 Kacey lol 21:24 VanessaE Jordach: what did he do now? 21:24 redcrab Hi there :) 21:24 VanessaE hey redcrab! 21:24 VanessaE long time no see 21:25 redcrab yep .. life is life with its aleas 21:25 Jordach red eclipse updated 21:25 VanessaE yep 21:25 VanessaE Jordach: er... 21:25 Jordach VanessaE, i already have a install 21:26 VanessaE oh. 21:27 Jordach this feels like a open source mac http://elementaryos.org/ 21:27 redcrab I tried to compile a brand new minetest from git but a curious compilation error occurs ... 21:29 sfan5 what i have been doing in the past 3 hours: http://127.0.0.1:8888/compile 21:29 VanessaE redcrab: what error? 21:30 Jordach sfan5, wrong port 21:30 redcrab .... /util/serialize.h:32:32: error: ‘u64’ has not been declared 21:30 Jordach s/wrong port/ip 21:30 sfan5 fail 21:30 Jordach Chromium's connection attempt to 127.0.0.1 was rejected. The website may be down or your network may not be properly configured. 21:30 sfan5 * http://sfan5.dyndns.org:8888/compile 21:31 sokomine when compiling or when running the client? 21:31 sfan5 sokomine: running the client won't output such errors 21:31 sokomine might have remembered wrong then 21:31 redcrab then a series of errors of the same kind sayin that 'u64' has not been declared 21:32 Jordach sfan5, hello world breaks it 21:32 * Jordach builds a stupidly huge program with it 21:32 sfan5 Jordach: if you mean the first c++ one, you did it wrong 21:32 PilzAdam sfan5, can it compile minetest? 21:32 * sfan5 watches /tmp/m 21:33 sfan5 PilzAdam: no, but you could rewrite make to use my computer for compiling the object files :D 21:33 sfan5 s/make/the Makefile 21:37 redcrab notice : few hours ago i compile it well on a 64 bit opensuse 12.2 ...; and now a 32 bits opensuse 11.4 21:38 redcrab from a fresh git pull few hours ago and now as well 21:40 PilzAdam have you googled that error? 21:42 redcrab yep .. but not obvious with current context 21:43 redcrab wich .h should declare this u64 ? 21:45 ShadowNinja redcrab: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/457 21:46 ShadowNinja and I think that is in one of the irrlicht type headers 21:47 ShadowNinja typedef uint64_t u64; in irrlichttypes.h 21:47 redcrab ShadowNinja : irrlich version header may be the hot point ... I have to check , thanks for the info 21:49 redcrab to compile the server only what is the -D stuff to place for cmake ? 21:49 PilzAdam DBUILD_CLIENT 0 21:49 Traxie21 ohi crabby! 21:49 Traxie21 Oops 21:49 redcrab thanks 21:49 Traxie21 Sorry, I didnt mean it that way XD 21:49 celeron55 -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 21:49 PilzAdam * -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 21:50 redcrab I've fixed it in my head ;p 21:54 PilzAdam bye 21:56 Kacey what is the name for jungle saplings? 21:58 VanessaE default:junglesapling I think 22:00 VanessaE brb 22:10 redcrab the upgradze to irrlicht 1.8 fix the u64 issue 22:18 Traxie21 Hmm 22:18 Traxie21 We need a decent armor mod. 22:19 VanessaE I thought we had one 22:19 VanessaE ? 22:19 sokomine redcrab: maybe the new version will fix the randomly dropped sand/gravel as well. that would be great 22:20 Deivan VanessaE, how I test if a node type exist? 22:20 Deivan Like "moreblocks:micro_wood_bottom"? 22:20 VanessaE Deivan: um... 22:20 VanessaE good question :-) 22:20 Deivan :-o 22:21 VanessaE *checks api* 22:21 Deivan Ok... 22:21 VanessaE minetest.registered_nodes[name] 22:21 VanessaE I guess if that ^^^^ returns nil, the node doesn't exist 22:21 VanessaE I presume name = full standard name for that node 22:22 Deivan This don't crash the script? 22:22 VanessaE put it in quotes though 22:22 VanessaE no, afaik this would cause crashes, that has been around for a while 22:22 VanessaE would NOT cause crashes! 22:22 Deivan Nice. 22:22 Deivan I will test it. Thanks. 22:23 Deivan :) 22:23 Deivan AFK 22:23 VanessaE something like: if minetest.registered_nodes["moreblocks:micro_wood_botton"] == nil then ...the node doesn't exist.... else ......the node exists .... end 22:23 VanessaE er, bottom* 22:23 Deivan About the moreblocks 22:23 redcrab upgrade to 0.4.5 done ... but I can't check it right now :( 22:23 VanessaE you get the idea. 22:23 Deivan I need test all moreblocks and all stairplus? 22:24 VanessaE EEK! 22:24 VanessaE redcrab: BZZT! wrong-o 22:24 VanessaE unknown everything :-) 22:24 redcrab VanessaE ??? !! 22:24 Traxie21 What does max_level for tools do? 22:25 Deivan Well, I have many to code now. :D 22:25 Deivan Cya. 22:25 Deivan AFK 22:25 VanessaE redcrab: unknown blocks all. over. the. place. 22:25 * Traxie21 makes an unknown block mod 22:25 VanessaE and...2d player sprites??? 22:25 redcrab ???? 22:26 VanessaE *** server shutting down 22:26 berome redcrad, why don't try compile with 12,3 ? 22:27 sokomine redcrab: almost all mods are missing. even some default things 22:27 jojoa1997 what is get all craft recipes? http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77888#p77888 22:27 VanessaE redcrab: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_2486575001.png 22:27 redcrab Ahhh .. 22:27 VanessaE (with my texture pack as usual) 22:27 sokomine still unknown blocks all around 22:27 berome not yet ? :-) 22:27 jojoa1997 redcrac 22:28 jojoa1997 it is all the moreore mods for me 22:28 jojoa1997 it seems every mod is gone and 22:28 sokomine still everything missing 22:29 jojoa1997 you might have made it go back some versions or you are using a texture pack 22:29 VanessaE redcrab: did you install https://github.com/minetest/common also? 22:29 VanessaE (put that in games/) 22:30 sokomine maybe the game has to be renamed? maybe it has a diffrent name in redcrabs world? 22:30 VanessaE ah, media loading now 22:30 VanessaE I think you may have gotten it this time 22:30 VanessaE ha! 22:30 VanessaE "client disconnected" 22:30 jojoa1997 loading 22:30 redcrab common ??? 22:30 VanessaE vanessa? FUUUUU GTFO bitch! 22:30 jojoa1997 no unknown blocks 22:31 sokomine seems ok now 22:31 VanessaE redcrab: yeah, it contains default and a few others, it was split off from minetest_game a day or two ago 22:31 * sokomine grins 22:31 redcrab I ve just revert to 0.4.4 22:31 VanessaE redcrab: no, don't do that 22:31 VanessaE 0.4.4 is outdated now 22:32 redcrab my à.4.5 temptative has failed ... until i solve the issue ... I stay on 0.4.4 22:32 VanessaE redcrab: you have to put common into games alongside minetest_game now, 22:32 VanessaE and all must be up-to-date 22:33 STHGOM bye 22:33 VanessaE wow, your server's got a bit of lag these days hasn't it? 22:34 VanessaE I see my old mansion still stands :D 22:34 jojoa1997 show me 22:34 VanessaE I'm in the top floor thereof now, jojo 22:35 sokomine redcrab: possibly there's a further problem. people report griefs which look like mapgen.....or their houses built in the last days/weeks forgotten 22:35 * Kacey wishes Menche would install circular saw mod 22:36 sokomine redcrab: what was desert last time i saw (a few hours ago) seems now grassland - with buildings partly destroyed 22:40 Kacey http://ompldr.org/vaHVvYw/screenshot_294424045.png my house is coming along nicely ^_^ 22:44 jojoa1997 anyone know of a good survival server that is using the dev version(the one that uses common) 22:59 sokomine hmm. at least one city on redcrabs server has been hit severely by mapgen bug :-( maybe due to the experiments? 23:00 VanessaE how badly? and what city was it? 23:01 Kacey is assassin city still on the server? 23:02 Kacey what is the port? 23:03 VanessaE redcrab's? 30401. assassin city? dunno 23:03 Kacey im getting on to check 23:08 Kacey haha no interact lol 23:09 sokomine lors desert city. it was a new town settled by many players. had several decent buildings 23:09 sokomine looks exactly like mapgen bug :-/ 23:10 VanessaE damn :( 23:12 Kacey sokomine, how do i get interact 23:19 VanessaE zzz 23:21 Kacey i can't stand to seea serverin pieces 23:24 VanessaE so play on mine until redcrab gets his put back together :) 23:24 Kacey Menche's 23:24 VanessaE :P 23:24 Kacey all the way 23:31 VanessaE bbl 23:37 Kacey anyone here play on Menche's server? 23:39 * Kacey wants to work on the factorization mod 23:44 Traxie21 Sure Kac 23:44 Traxie21 What server? 23:46 Traxie21 23:46 Traxie21 Has Factorization been started yet? 23:54 VanessaE back 23:55 Kacey https://github.com/Kaceyproductions/factorization Traxie21