IRC log for #minetest, 2013-03-06

Time	Nick	Message
00:00	STHGOM	what kind?
00:00	Kacey	machines
00:00	Kacey	not mesecons or technic
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00:05	khonkhortisan	I remember seeing a node with a face on it that dug stuff
00:07	khonkhortisan	it should be possible to throw wood into an engine, have the fire boil some water, have the steam go through a pipe, and power a train - though maybe not on the current rail.
00:07	STHGOM	like cars?
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00:09	Kacey	khonkhortisan, that is the workers mod
00:20	STHGOM	bye
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00:29	jojoa1997	proller you there?
00:38	Kacey	nope
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01:04	khonkhortisan	gif: http://76.121.156.73/mt/diagonal_rail.gif
01:15	Kacey	cool
01:17	Kacey	kaeza, you around?
01:24	sokomine	hm. the smallest circle might even provide some of the images i'm looking for. it almost looks like a wooden wheel
01:25	OWNSyouAll	Is there any plans to move the default.generate_ore into the api?
01:27	sokomine	sorry, no idea
01:28	Exio	into the api? what?
01:29	Exio	it is "public" (or whatever it should be called), afaik you can use it if you use "default.generate_ore" and the mod has default in the dependencies (or whatever it is spelled :P)
01:30	Exio	and there are plans for moving the ore generation to the C++ core/engine
01:30	Exio	for reducing the load in lua
01:31	OWNSyouAll	Exio: ah k thanks
02:02	Kacey	idiots at school...
02:04	Exio	kill them with fire
02:04	Exio	(and be sure there are not water near)
02:04	Kacey	wish i could
02:04	Exio	maybe i can help
02:05	Kacey	but i am already a security threat as it is
02:05	Exio	1000 USD every person, you pay the travel from my country to where you live
02:06	Kacey	naw 3 pounds of dynamite would kill 'em all
02:07	Exio	if you want dynamite i make a discout, 1500 USD / 4 people >:D
02:08	Kacey	i can get dynamite 3 stciks for $1
02:09	khonkhortisan	I typed in a 1 and google gave me this ( Í¡Â° ÍœÊ– Í¡Â°)
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02:19	* Kacey	wants a soft body physics game
02:21	khonkhortisan	blender is horrible at that
02:24	Kacey	im going to use cryengine 3
02:25	tripod	naw
02:26	tripod	IM going to use cry3
02:27	khonkhortisan	The pictures of cry321 show the most obvious difference being light rays, light glow, and light.
02:27	mrtux	Hi, how do I replace nodes in minetest?
02:27	mrtux	I want to replace steel blocks with air
02:27	khonkhortisan	minetest.env:add_node(pos, node)
02:27	khonkhortisan	minetest.env:remove_node(pos) turns it to air
02:27	mrtux	i mean in worldedit
02:27	khonkhortisan	And what kind of steel block do you mean? Before it is dug, or after smelting?
02:27	mrtux	sorry
02:28	khonkhortisan	oh.
02:28	Kacey	//set air
02:28	mrtux	ok thanks
02:28	mrtux	worked
02:28	khonkhortisan	"//replace stone_with_iron air" or "//replace steel_block air"
02:28	khonkhortisan	if you had more than that selected
02:29	khonkhortisan	also, //fixlight if it goes bad.
02:29	mrtux	thank you khonkhortisan and Kacey
02:29	khonkhortisan	you're welcome
02:29	khonkhortisan	Kacey you're welcome
02:29	Kacey	?
02:29	tripod	mrtux you play xonotic? or a different mrtux
02:29	khonkhortisan	can't do a /you, only /me
02:30	mrtux	tripod, no.
02:30	tripod	okay
02:30	tripod	good.
02:30	khonkhortisan	I'm bad at xonotic
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02:31	* Kacey	has the best mod idea
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02:37	khonkhortisan	minetest/minetest_game seems really slow to pull from
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02:41	NekoGloop\|Laptop	Hai
02:41	khonkhortisan	haiy'lo
02:41	Kacey	no
02:43	Kacey	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArM7sQJz0-Y
02:50	Kacey	hahaha
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02:52	Kacey	aaw
02:53	Kacey	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZODOCqNocA
02:54	RealBadAngel	http://i.imgur.com/Olge3or.jpg
02:55	hmmmm	woo
02:56	Kacey	lol i wish i could just make a mod like that...
02:56	khonkhortisan	portal? stargate? teleporter?
02:56	RealBadAngel	it is stargate
02:56	RealBadAngel	with animated event horizon
02:56	khonkhortisan	I didn't see the symbols on it, I thought it could be something else
02:57	khonkhortisan	I take it you didn't add those tic-tac-toe lines yourself.
02:58	khonkhortisan	are those beer trees? :)
02:58	hmmmm	i don't suppose we can get jaffa mobs
02:59	hmmmm	really bad angel, the facedir stuff
02:59	* khonkhortisan	listens to the coming conversation
03:00	RealBadAngel	what about it?
03:00	hmmmm	where is that again?
03:00	hmmmm	there is no pull request for it and i couldn't find it
03:00	khonkhortisan	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4807
03:01	hmmmm	forum post
03:01	khonkhortisan	and fork
03:01	RealBadAngel	it on my github, but i want it to come with a little more features that are not finished yet
03:01	RealBadAngel	per box textures and also animated ones
03:02	hmmmm	ok
03:02	RealBadAngel	i think whole update will be ready by weekend
03:02	khonkhortisan	how do I search commits on github?
03:02	hmmmm	great
03:02	RealBadAngel	you can merge by now get_all_craft_recipes
03:03	RealBadAngel	since 0.4.5 is out
03:03	hmmmm	yea
03:03	hmmmm	well i can't just merge it
03:03	hmmmm	i have to manually do all that
03:03	RealBadAngel	ah, split?
03:03	hmmmm	yeah the split
03:03	hmmmm	it's not like it's too bad though
03:03	hmmmm	this screwed up a lot of peoples' patches
03:04	RealBadAngel	btw seen this mega patch with dozens of features
03:04	hmmmm	yeah
03:04	hmmmm	that is not being merged like that
03:04	RealBadAngel	i noticed enchant and smoke craft methods
03:05	RealBadAngel	imho something else shall be done, just allow register new craft type
03:05	hmmmm	enchanting, no idea about that, but it's something that should strictly be done in lua
03:05	hmmmm	can be made into a mod
03:05	hmmmm	yeah i guess i should take an actual look at it
03:06	RealBadAngel	better add possibility to register new ones
03:06	hmmmm	obviously
03:07	RealBadAngel	this can unify ways of adding new machines/crafters or whatever
03:07	ShadowNinja	New cloud menu background: https://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest/compare/menu_clouds Screenshot: http://ubuntuone.com/2AR2XT7php7PtTpZ29PICm
03:08	* VanessaE	peeks in
03:08	hmmmm	shadowninja, just the guy
03:08	hmmmm	https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/commits/master
03:08	hmmmm	so that's what i ended up doing
03:09	hmmmm	and unescapeString(), really, is generic enough to be moved to util/string.cpp
03:09	hmmmm	string.h even, it's small enough to make a good candidate for inlining
03:09	hmmmm	https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/commit/54148290c81c13a1df4076a5af78dc2d321647fe specifically
03:10	ShadowNinja	nice
03:10	hmmmm	but
03:10	ShadowNinja	so \[ works?
03:10	hmmmm	i need you to test if that's actually what you want
03:10	hmmmm	in theory, yes
03:11	hmmmm	i can't really test it because i don't know how to use formspec. i tried modifying the formspec strings slightly for a couple builtin things but they seemed to have no effect at all
03:11	ShadowNinja	you forgot to change minetest.escape_formspec()
03:11	hmmmm	ah yeah i did
03:13	ShadowNinja	btw do you like the cloud background?
03:14	ShadowNinja	it can be disabled do you can still use the menubackground branch
03:14	hmmmm	i do actually
03:14	hmmmm	i need to take a closer look at that
03:14	hmmmm	hopefully after this flood of merges i can get back to working on my own stuff
03:14	ShadowNinja	you can probably optimize it
03:14	hmmmm	yeah
03:14	hmmmm	did you take the cloud code from clouds.cpp?
03:15	hmmmm	ah yes good
03:15	ShadowNinja	I used krisi's code, so yes
03:15	hmmmm	krisi?
03:15	VanessaE	cloud background? How does this affect texture packs that supply menulogo.png?
03:15	ShadowNinja	you can disable it
03:16	hmmmm	it uses menulogo-small.png
03:16	hmmmm	so it would ignore the texture pack's logo
03:16	VanessaE	:(
03:17	ShadowNinja	yes, for the bottom in the main window with it disabled and for the credits
03:17	ShadowNinja	it can be renamed of course
03:17	hmmmm	if you were to use regular menulogo it probably would look really bad because it needs transparency
03:17	VanessaE	well then I hope I can override menulogo-small.png or something then
03:17	ShadowNinja	yes, you can
03:18	ShadowNinja	and the big one
03:18	VanessaE	hmmmm: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2003052013%20-%2010:18:02%20PM.png
03:18	VanessaE	HDX with a custom menulogo.png
03:19	ShadowNinja	that will still work
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03:19	VanessaE	oh, good
03:19	hmmmm	wwwwwwoooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwww lame
03:20	hmmmm	you should've made the logo bigger if you wanted it to look good and not non-pixelated
03:20	VanessaE	hmmmm: you can't.
03:20	VanessaE	it gets scaled up by 4x by the engine.
03:20	hmmmm	what? why not
03:20	hmmmm	welp
03:20	ShadowNinja	maybe I should have the old menulogo and menusplash or something
03:20	VanessaE	which sucks rocks
03:20	hmmmm	that needs to be fixed
03:20	VanessaE	agreed
03:20	hmmmm	low priority though
03:21	VanessaE	I have a beautiful high-rez version of that logo just waiting for such a fix.
03:21	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: +1
03:21	VanessaE	menusplash.png
03:21	ShadowNinja	should it show up with the old tiled background?
03:22	VanessaE	if menusplash.png is provided, it should override menubg.png and be scaled to fit the window size
03:22	VanessaE	or,
03:22	VanessaE	it should be made possible for menubg.png to just fill the window if the provided image is large enough
03:23	VanessaE	this might be easier and perhaps more logical than adding another image overlaty
03:23	VanessaE	overlay*
03:23	ShadowNinja	no, that would look terrible
03:23	VanessaE	if the provided image is large enough - e.g. if it'x bigger than, say, 256px
03:23	ShadowNinja	having a huge MINETEST logo?
03:23	hmmmm	perhaps you want a blank menusplash and just a menubg.png with your text
03:23	ShadowNinja	^
03:24	VanessaE	that might work too
03:24	VanessaE	ok, so menubg.png shows through wherever menusplash.png is transparent.
03:24	ShadowNinja	yes
03:24	VanessaE	and then menulogo.png layered atop that
03:26	VanessaE	I like this idea actually.
03:26	ShadowNinja	menulogo would be on the bottom, splash on the top
03:26	VanessaE	right
03:28	VanessaE	as long as it's 100% backward-compatible, I'm happy :D
03:29	ShadowNinja	it should, the only difference will be that you will have the splash on old texture packs
03:34	ShadowNinja	How it looks with clouds off now: http://ubuntuone.com/3pesXmpq9rFBYOEMa7Q3wo
03:34	VanessaE	works for me
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03:39	ShadowNinja	It seems like there are two copies of the same code here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L1523 and line 1557, changing the second one works but why are there two?
03:40	khonkhortisan	probably the stuff in between is important
03:43	ShadowNinja	seems to just draw something while it waits for other menus to close
03:50	hmmmm	ahh
03:50	hmmmm	in Lua, do you need to escape a backslash in a string?
03:50	hmmmm	"\\" is actually \
03:50	hmmmm	i didn't think lua would've needed that
03:52	ShadowNinja	hmmm: I think you do, \( just gave me (
03:52	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: I think I fixed your menulogo issue
03:53	VanessaE	the scaling issue?
03:53	ShadowNinja	yes
03:53	VanessaE	sweet
03:54	ShadowNinja	screenshot in a sec...
03:55	ShadowNinja	http://ubuntuone.com/5EXeOWQAvKQiaduNluvOQ9
03:57	VanessaE	er.. a bit hard to tell from that shot but I'll take yer word for it :)
03:58	ShadowNinja	maybe I should have chosen an image that wasn't pixelated-looking :-)
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03:59	VanessaE	yep :)
03:59	VanessaE	but that's okay
04:00	hmmmm	ShadowNinja: https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/commit/04171501f470657786dfcaa81155427d38594d29
04:00	hmmmm	care to test that out?
04:00	hmmmm	if it works, i'll squash it all and merge it
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04:02	ShadowNinja	should I draw the menulogo when clouds are enabled?
04:02	ShadowNinja	hmmmm: nice, tested?
04:02	hmmmm	no it's not tested, i need you to test it
04:02	hmmmm	since i don't know how to test it
04:07	ShadowNinja	compiling...
04:09	hmmmm	you should make a forum topic asking people how they like the cloud menu
04:09	hmmmm	or maybe we'll keep it on as default until too many people bitch about it
04:10	ShadowNinja	spawning could be tweaked, I spawned 1000 nodes away from 0,0 and fell and took damage
04:11	hmmmm	one of these days i'm going to find the problem with that and fix it once and for all
04:11	hmmmm	that's not real damage though, if you log out and back in it'll be back to full health
04:12	hmmmm	anyway is the formspec escape thing working as desired?
04:12	ShadowNinja	no, fall damage, it is real
04:12	ShadowNinja	one sec...
04:13	ShadowNinja	yes
04:15	hmmmm	alright so i can squash those all together
04:16	ShadowNinja	you can also escape , and ; correct?
04:16	hmmmm	yes
04:16	hmmmm	you could, but you'd need to modify the lua escape function
04:17	hmmmm	every character, in theory, should work.
04:17	ShadowNinja	well add those while you're at it
04:18	ShadowNinja	back to the cloud background, should the menulogo always be displayed?
04:18	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: ^
04:20	* VanessaE	scrolls
04:20	VanessaE	um
04:20	VanessaE	hm
04:20	VanessaE	good question
04:21	VanessaE	maybe if the default menu logo looks good against the clouds, why not?
04:21	ShadowNinja	that has to be edited btw, the -c55 removed
04:21	VanessaE	yes
04:22	VanessaE	I was beginning to wonder about that
04:25	khonkhortisan	I'll have one commit/pull request each for four different repos.
04:26	ShadowNinja	should the menulogo resize based on window size?
04:27	VanessaE	yes
04:27	VanessaE	to a degree
04:27	hmmmm	alright well you get that ironed out and i'll come back to it
04:27	VanessaE	since the menu doesn't change size
04:27	hmmmm	now for RBA's things
04:27	VanessaE	maybe have the logo resize in steps, e.g. 1x, 2x, 3x...
04:28	VanessaE	actually strike that
04:28	VanessaE	just scale it smoothly
04:29	VanessaE	at least bicubic if not lanczos.
04:29	ShadowNinja	should it be by height or width?
04:31	ShadowNinja	maybe I can do both...
04:32	VanessaE	keep it aspect-correct, scale according to the largest of the height or width
04:32	VanessaE	that way all that'll happen is some portions may end up off-screen if the image is not sized properly.
04:32	VanessaE	er, smallest of height or width I mean
04:33	VanessaE	you get the point
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04:34	hmmmm	RealBadAngel, you fully tested your craft stuff, right?
04:34	hmmmm	it's completely good to go?
04:34	hmmmm	i'm trusting you that it works...
04:35	VanessaE	he's probably in bed by now
04:35	hmmmm	or up very early.... isn't poland like +7 hours?
04:35	VanessaE	GMT +2 or so I think
04:35	VanessaE	so yeah, +6 or 7 hours from here
04:36	NekoGloop\|Laptop	It's incorrect time, couldn't care less what it is.
04:36	NekoGloop\|Laptop	EST is Eastern STANDARD Time, dammit.
04:37	VanessaE	heh
04:37	VanessaE	ok fine, EDT then
04:37	hmmmm	what's the status with the clouds thing
04:37	VanessaE	whichever it is now
04:37	sokomine	nice wheel done by vanessa:
04:37	sokomine	http://www.zimg.eu/i/912705734
04:37	hmmmm	still using 0.4.4-d1?
04:37	hmmmm	for shame
04:38	VanessaE	yeah really, 0.4.5 is out :)
04:38	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: by smallest to you mean of the screensize, the image size or both?
04:38	ShadowNinja	*do
04:38	VanessaE	hmmmm: question... isn't there some way we can get a(n abbreviated) git commit hash appended to the displayed version number?
04:39	hmmmm	umm..
04:39	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: I mean of the window size
04:39	ShadowNinja	And what about the image size?
04:39	hmmmm	i don't think we can unless you like running cmake every time you go to compile a new version
04:40	VanessaE	actually I do that anyway
04:40	hmmmm	yea the rest of the world doesn't
04:40	hmmmm	sorry
04:40	sokomine	actually right now i'm even using ...ah...it's d1 already...version modified by pilzadam for a flat world. working on blueprints in a normal world is rather annoying
04:40	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: keep the aspect of the image; if the window shrinks by 10% in height, shrink the image height and width by 10%, etc.
04:40	hmmmm	what's wrong with mg_params = flat?
04:40	hmmmm	mg_flags rather
04:40	khonkhortisan	How do I remove all local commits?
04:41	VanessaE	hmmmm: the makefile can't go a quick git log and extract the current commit hash at build time?
04:41	khonkhortisan	I have five, when I only need one, which I can recover from a .patch.
04:41	ShadowNinja	I mean should I use the image width or height in scaling?
04:41	sokomine	it wasn't available in -d1 to my knowledge? it seems quite new. read about it on the forum today
04:41	hmmmm	i believe git fetch and then git reset fetch_head
04:41	hmmmm	vanessa, now that you say so, it probably can.... but i have no idea how to do that
04:41	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: um..
04:41	khonkhortisan	what's fetch_head?
04:41	hmmmm	sokomine, it's been in there for about a month
04:42	VanessaE	hmmmm: I do this: commit=`git log \|grep commit\|head -n 1 \|cut -b 8-15`
04:42	hmmmm	khon, don't mind me, i have no idea what i'm talking about
04:42	VanessaE	when I build the server, my script does this to get the commit hash, abbreviates it, and plugs it into the motd
04:42	hmmmm	it's FETCH_HEAD though, not fetch_head (if you are going to try that)
04:42	ShadowNinja	I want a low-res image to work as well as a high-res one
04:43	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: well, let's do this then: just scale the width of the image to match the window width, scale the height by the same factor.
04:44	sokomine	that's good to know! can the trees be eliminiated as well?
04:44	ShadowNinja	That is what I was doing
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04:44	khonkhortisan	ooh, "git reset --hard origin/master" does it (and is dangerous!)
04:44	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: then let's just keep doing that.
04:45	hmmmm	ah
04:45	hmmmm	origin/master -> FETCH_HEAD iirc
04:45	hmmmm	so basically the same thing
04:45	hmmmm	sokomine, yes
04:45	khonkhortisan	It didn't even replay my commits at the end, like git pull -rebase always does.
04:45	hmmmm	you see with the mg_flags setting, the default is "trees, caves, v6_biome_blend"
04:46	khonkhortisan	Someone asking about flatness again?
04:46	hmmmm	if you remove trees then it'd make land without any trees, if you omit caves it'll generate without caves, without v6_biome_blend it'll get rid of the gross desert/grass blending
04:46	hmmmm	add flat, it'll make land height constant
04:46	khonkhortisan	oh, trees. Moretrees doesn't respect mg_flags yet.
04:46	hmmmm	so if you make mg_flags = flat, it'll have no trees, no caves, no biome blending, and completely flat terrain
04:47	hmmmm	i guess not... i wouldn't expect a mod to do that.
04:47	khonkhortisan	completely flat + cactus + dry_shrub + junglegrass
04:47	khonkhortisan	+ biomes
04:47	hmmmm	i don't really have control over what goes on in lualand
04:47	hmmmm	if you want to remove desert completely you can do that too
04:48	ShadowNinja	do these both look ok? http://ubuntuone.com/5AsoqVpdCJZUVtrrZrxbjr and http://ubuntuone.com/1H2nJoSi4johDDimKWeDf7
04:48	hmmmm	set mgv6_freq_beach to -1
04:48	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: looks fine to me
04:48	khonkhortisan	I made the mistake of adding diagonal rails right over the top of connect_to_raillike, now I have to make it mergeable.
04:48	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: except:
04:49	hmmmm	err
04:49	hmmmm	sorry
04:49	VanessaE	one of the the two "minetest" logos should be something else, e.g. a small image like that little one to the right of "minetest-c55"
04:49	hmmmm	mgv6_freq_desert = 1
04:49	VanessaE	e.g. don't display "minetest" twice
04:49	sokomine	hah! finally defeat the caves! that sounds great! guess i'll soon compile a new version :-)
04:49	hmmmm	actually make it 5
04:49	khonkhortisan	I see "minetest" thrice.
04:50	khonkhortisan	No, five times.
04:50	NekoGloop\|Laptop	We could has kitteh.
04:50	khonkhortisan	title, top-left, top, world, bottom.
04:50	khonkhortisan	it has minetest written all over it
04:50	hmmmm	you might forget that you're playing minetest
04:50	VanessaE	well the identifier at the top left, should be ditched.
04:50	sokomine	no, flat land is fine enough. the rest is less problematic
04:50	VanessaE	at least in the menu
04:50	VanessaE	we already have a graphical logo for it
04:51	VanessaE	put the version number into the title bar.
04:51	NekoGloop\|Laptop	The only thing I've hated so far about windows 8 is WHY THE FUCK IS IT TAKING SO LONG TO DOWNLOAD JAPANESE CHARACTER SUPPORT.
04:52	khonkhortisan	it's not just a .ttf?
04:52	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: it's windows, remember?
04:52	VanessaE	everything is overthought.
04:52	khonkhortisan	Except who disabled the task manager.
04:52	khonkhortisan	Admin is always blamed.
04:53	NekoGloop\|Laptop	Actually it might be. Just it has its own little download manager thingy so I'll never know.
04:53	NekoGloop\|Laptop	er, nvm.
04:53	NekoGloop\|Laptop	For some reason i thought he meant a patch file, not a font file.
04:54	ShadowNinja	just the logo doesn't look right, anything I could wright there?
04:56	MinetestBot	GIT: commited to minetest/minetest: fix link if system json lib exists dd8593f2d6 2013-03-05T20:54:07-08:00 http://git.io/rkPk3A
04:56	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: why not a small banner-sized strip from an in-game screenshot?
04:56	ShadowNinja	nice commit ""!
04:57	VanessaE	say from my server or redcrab's or anyone elses, where there's lots of stuff already built up
04:57	VanessaE	else's
04:57	VanessaE	and put the regular minetest logo next to the upper "MINETEST" image.
04:57	VanessaE	(the splash)
04:58	ShadowNinja	what do you mean?, add a watermark to the game?
04:58	VanessaE	naw
04:58	ShadowNinja	And should I remove the logo background?
04:58	VanessaE	where you wrote "minetest" at the top, the menusplash image, stick the standard minetest logo right next to it. At the bottom, menulogo would be a short, wide strip cropped from an in-game screeshot.
04:59	VanessaE	need a mockup?
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04:59	ShadowNinja	I think I got the splash part but maybe for the logo
04:59	VanessaE	hold
05:00	* ShadowNinja	steels PilzAdam's avatar
05:02	hmmmm	also plizadam and thexyz haven't been around for a while... wonder what happened to them
05:02	hmmmm	they don't commit stuff anymore
05:02	NekoGloop\|Laptop	They're taking a vacation
05:03	hmmmm	hmm
05:03	hmmmm	alright so what i think i'm going to do first is the dungeon code separation thing
05:03	hmmmm	i dunno... celeron wasn't satisfied with the dungeons apparently but i certainly was and most others were too
05:04	hmmmm	i'm bringing it back, except randomly in rooms there'll be a chest spawned with some loot
05:04	hmmmm	and i'll have torches every so often
05:05	VanessaE	damn it
05:05	hmmmm	i wonder how i'm going to set node metadata with voxelmanipulator
05:06	hmmmm	i'm probably going to have to make a node metadata queue to do after emerge and blit back to the map
05:09	VanessaE	as for Pilzadam, he's been around
05:10	VanessaE	mostly early in the day
05:10	VanessaE	dunno why he isn't committing much
05:10	VanessaE	ditto for thexyz. he's been around off and on too.
05:16	khonkhortisan	waah! Somebody broke my rails!
05:16	VanessaE	well I have that mock-up ready for shadowninja to look at when he shows up.
05:16	VanessaE	http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/mockup-1.png
05:19	khonkhortisan	oh. It was me :)
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06:07	MiJyn	bye all
06:23	khonkhortisan	Can I make a spoiler button on github? I want to give people the option to hide an animated gif.
06:23	VanessaE	put the gif behind a clickable link to ompldr or so?
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06:50	khonkhortisan	okay
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08:13	celeron55	> http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2003052013%20-%2010:18:02%20PM.png
08:13	celeron55	what the flying fuck?
08:13	celeron55	don't ever use that
08:13	celeron55	or any variation of it
08:14	celeron55	ShadowNinja's clouds and the simple pixelly "minetest" on top are fine-ish
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09:32	TForsman	proller: good morning
09:32	proller	good
09:33	TForsman	proller: when you build minetest yesterday in ubuntu, did you build it system wide or build it to "run in place" ?
09:34	proller	cmake . ; make -j4
09:34	proller	without params
09:35	TForsman	ok
09:35	TForsman	wonder whats default though, -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0 or -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1
09:38	thexyz	RUN_IN_PLACE=1 is default on win
09:38	thexyz	in all other cases RUN_IN_PLACE=0 is default
09:38	TForsman	thanks
09:55	proller	cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 && make -j8 Ñ†Ñ‰ÐºÐ»Ñ‹
09:55	proller	works
09:56	TForsman	need to make sure not to run in place
09:57	TForsman	as im building minetest for Foresight repository.....
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10:01	TForsman	is minetest building its own: libjthread.so for minetest?
10:02	kaeza	morning all
10:04	thexyz	TForsman: it depends
10:04	thexyz	but when building with bundled jthread it should link statically
10:04	thexyz	at least that's what it does for me
10:06	TForsman	how about json now? used to work to have: libjson.so and now it renamed to: libjsoncpp.so and minetest needs to install that in /usr/lib64/libjsoncpp.so shouldent it be also building with bundled json-c package?
10:06	thexyz	everything is linked statically
10:06	thexyz	everything bundled
10:08	TForsman	i just built minetest again, even updated cmake to 2.8.10.2 to make sure two different cmake fails.....
10:08	TForsman	building minetest works fine, but it never installs libjsoncpp.so
10:08	TForsman	minetest
10:08	TForsman	minetest: error while loading shared libraries: libjsoncpp.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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10:09	TForsman	can see libjsoncpp.so in: minetest/minetest-master/src/json/ folder though
10:09	TForsman	so seems it builds it fine, but nothing tells it to get it installed wide-system
10:10	thexyz	apparently, you have BUILD_SHARED_LIBS set to true
10:10	thexyz	by default (when BUILD_SHARED_LIBS is not present) cmake builds static libraries
10:12	TForsman	like: -DBUILD_SHARED_LIBS:BOOL=ON ?
10:13	TForsman	or: -DBUILD_SHARED_LIBS=ON ?
10:13	TForsman	if someone knows....
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10:16	TForsman	testing again, see if it makes any difference
10:17	thexyz	yes, you should have this one set to off
10:18	thexyz	by default it doesn't set
10:19	TForsman	ahh, off right
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10:21	TForsman	if minetest is building it's own libjthread.so, then it might need to be renamed. if someone already has jthread installed in their linux system and installs minetest from package manager, it will create a conflict right away. as jthread also provide that file
10:23	Calinou	misa's pack and minecraft enhanced have been updated for moreblocks updates and 0.4.5, also added better mesecon support to misa's
10:24	TForsman	someone played around too much with json and jthread :) been fine for few years until late february this year
10:28	thexyz	minetest does not build .so library by default
10:28	thexyz	any .so libraries
10:29	thexyz	if you have BUILD_SHARED_LIBS set then you're at your own risk
10:30	TForsman	ahh ok
10:30	thexyz	have you managed to solve the issue yet?
10:30	TForsman	just built it, installing it
10:31	TForsman	thexyz: thank you, that was the issue, it's now stopped to ask about libjsoncpp.so and works to run the game
10:31	thexyz	great
10:32	thexyz	i wonder how've you ended with BUILD_SHARED_LIBS set to yes
10:32	TForsman	for conary (package manager) it's set as default for BUILD_SHARED_LIBS to yes, as most libraries wants that.
10:33	TForsman	not many packages demands to set to "no"
10:33	TForsman	most packages has that as no as default from building with cmake, and need to provide "yes" instead
10:34	thexyz	oh
10:35	TForsman	im not building locally/manually. Building it "for making a distribution package"
10:35	thexyz	i know
10:35	TForsman	that's probably why I got more issues than most of the users
10:36	TForsman	anyway, thanks again. Feels great to be back on track and can continue updating it without any issues, until something critical changes again :)
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11:19	jojoa1997	hi sign on 2 players with the same name(different caps spots) on windows the names become:
11:19	jojoa1997	alpha, ALPHA0, alPHa1, ALpha2
11:19	jojoa1997	how can i do that in a mod
11:20	thexyz	> intllib
11:20	thexyz	> only US-ASCII characters
11:20	thexyz	wow, great i18n you have there
11:21	jojoa1997	what is i18n
11:21	thexyz	google it
11:21	jojoa1997	also where can i find initlib
11:22	jojoa1997	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4929
11:22	jojoa1997	there?
11:25	jojoa1997	thexyz how do i make mods do what minetest does with names
11:30	thexyz	no idea
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12:39	Infinity_69	hi
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12:45	kwongo	Hi
12:45	kwongo	Anyone here?
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12:54	Infinity_69\|YT	lawl
12:56	* Infinity_69	is making a new team for games, ViperForce
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13:02	Infinity_69	hi
13:05	Infinity_69	LunaVorax
13:05	Infinity_69	crap :/
13:20	Infinity_69	ping
13:20	Infinity_69	pong
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14:12	NekoGloop\|Laptop	sfan's builds topic has OVER 9000!!!! views.
14:14	Infinity_69	It's over 9000!
14:14	Infinity_69	xD
14:14	Infinity_69	hey Neko, how good are you at PHP?
14:14	NekoGloop\|Laptop	Also paramat loves messing with mapgen.
14:14	NekoGloop\|Laptop	Infie, i know nil about it.
14:15	Infinity_69	ok
14:15	Infinity_69	:D
14:16	Infinity_69	btw, it was my b-day last saturday
14:16	Infinity_69	:D
14:16	Infinity_69	turned 14
14:16	* NekoGloop\|Laptop	puts a party cap on Infie's head
14:16	* Infinity_69	colors it
14:17	* Infinity_69	sits on a chair and NekoGloop\|Laptop lifts it up 13 times, then he passed out
14:17	NekoGloop\|Laptop	Wut?
14:18	Infinity_69	its a tradition here...
14:18	RealBadAngel	hi all
14:19	Infinity_69	if a kid (less then 18 y/o) has a birthday, (s)he gets lifted up on a chair by the guests as many times as his/her age...
14:19	Infinity_69	hi
14:19	NekoGloop\|Laptop	I see.
14:20	Infinity_69	RBA, why doesnt the .htaccess run the .php file, it just shows the code... why?
14:20	Infinity_69	i made a 404.php file, and it just shows the code...
14:20	Infinity_69	not the site...
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14:23	Kacey	hi all
14:23	Infinity_69	hi kacey
14:23	Infinity_69	RealBadAngel
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14:23	Infinity_69	[16:20] <Infinity_69> RBA, why doesnt the .htaccess run the .php file, it just shows the code... why?
14:23	RealBadAngel	idk, not my area of interest
14:24	Infinity_69	oh ok
14:24	Infinity_69	got it to work :D
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14:31	MinetestBot	GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Fix Irrlicht includes in scriptapi_* b3e7d15bd6 2013-03-06T06:31:06-08:00 http://git.io/HmJrNA
14:37	Infinity_69	bye yall
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14:41	RealBadAngel	looks like i do have all the necesary gfx/sfx and nodes definitions for Stargate thingy
14:42	ShadowNinja	RealBadAngel: pressing next in latest UI just flashes the next page for a second
14:43	RealBadAngel	new features new bugs, shit
14:43	RealBadAngel	i will take care of it later today
14:44	RealBadAngel	got already on list 2 technic bugs and 1 UI
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14:45	RealBadAngel	ShadowNinja, have you seen stargate screenshots?
14:45	jojoa1997	Real bad angel picks please
14:45	ShadowNinja	as in the tv show?
14:46	tripod	SG1 pretty kick ass
14:46	RealBadAngel	http://i.imgur.com/Olge3or.jpg
14:46	ShadowNinja	What do you think of this: http://ubuntuone.com/2AR2XT7php7PtTpZ29PICm
14:46	RealBadAngel	seen it, its great
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14:46	jojoa1997	Is that a mod
14:46	ShadowNinja	yes, I have seen the show
14:46	ShadowNinja	you should use nodeboxes
14:47	RealBadAngel	those are nodeboxes
14:47	RealBadAngel	and event horizon is animated
14:47	ShadowNinja	that is one flay nodebox
14:47	ShadowNinja	*flat
14:48	RealBadAngel	no
14:48	RealBadAngel	this is 3x3 nodebox
14:48	RealBadAngel	flat, yes
14:48	ShadowNinja	yes, but I mean make it 3d
14:48	RealBadAngel	no way with animations
14:48	jojoa1997	What is stargate
14:49	ShadowNinja	3d vs animated
14:49	ShadowNinja	a tv show
14:49	ShadowNinja	stargate is basicaly a big teleporter
14:49	RealBadAngel	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvlRzQAt5xk
14:49	RealBadAngel	this is stargate
14:50	* Diego	puts a kitten on NekoGloop\|Laptop's head
14:50	Diego	whoops
14:50	RealBadAngel	10 seasons of Stargate Sg-1, 5 seasons of Stargate Atlantis and 2 seasons of Stargate Universe
14:50	ShadowNinja	have you looked at that?
14:50	NekoGloop\|Laptop	Mrowr.
14:50	Diego	stupid hexchat
14:50	RealBadAngel	on of the most popular SF shows ever
14:50	RealBadAngel	*one
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14:52	RealBadAngel	and youtube link is a fanmade video showing them all
14:52	RealBadAngel	and rocks
14:52	ShadowNinja	RealBadAngel: http://ubuntuone.com/2AR2XT7php7PtTpZ29PICm
14:53	RealBadAngel	ShadowNinja, told ya already, nice work. i like it
14:53	ShadowNinja	oh, sorry, didn't see it
14:53	ShadowNinja	and thanks
14:53	RealBadAngel	<ShadowNinja> What do you think of this: http://ubuntuone.com/2AR2XT7php7PtTpZ29PICm
14:53	RealBadAngel	<RealBadAngel> seen it, its great
14:54	* ShadowNinja	gets glasses
14:54	RealBadAngel	lol
14:55	RealBadAngel	i want to release preview of stargate mod today
14:55	RealBadAngel	this is lookin fuckin awesome
14:56	RealBadAngel	i spent 2 evenings to cut with gimp each frame of animation to be it 3x3 big
14:56	ShadowNinja	Can anyone help me get the scaling for the top menusplash right?
14:57	ShadowNinja	lol
14:57	RealBadAngel	it is something wrong with the scaling
14:58	RealBadAngel	take a look at my background for formspecs path
14:58	RealBadAngel	i use ther images with proper scaling
14:58	ShadowNinja	now it doesn't scale with the window and all I try either doen't show up or causes a floating-fount exception
14:59	ShadowNinja	ok
15:00	* ShadowNinja	clicks next repeatedly
15:00	RealBadAngel	ok, im off to eat something, make stargate's spawn code and then take a nap
15:01	RealBadAngel	i will fix all reported bugs later today
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15:04	ShadowNinja	I don't think that will work, can anyone else help?
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15:12	Infinity_69	hi
15:12	Infinity_69	im back
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15:13	NekoGloop\|Laptop	Instant Message Back?
15:14	kaeza	lol
15:14	VanessaE	celeron55: it's a mock-up to explain what I was talking about, not a proposed finished product.
15:15	Infinity_69	hi VanessaE
15:15	Infinity_69	i need an expert in licenses
15:15	Infinity_69	what is the best license for a commercial game?
15:16	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: do you have that mockup?
15:17	VanessaE	http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/mockup-1.png
15:18	ShadowNinja	I see, however I have to get the splash to scale properly
15:18	Infinity_69	0.4.5?
15:18	Infinity_69	WTF
15:18	Infinity_69	What The F@!K!
15:20	VanessaE	right
15:20	VanessaE	Infinity_69: yep, marked as 0.4.5 day before yesterday
15:21	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: do 90% of people time out on your server too?
15:21	ShadowNinja	I don't have too many mods
15:22	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: many people do the first time they connect, I dunno why that actually happens
15:22	Infinity_69	omg!
15:22	Infinity_69	:D
15:22	VanessaE	otherwise usually they only time out if the client crashes
15:22	Infinity_69	players = 3D/2D
15:22	ShadowNinja	well everyone seems to time out in about 10 seconds
15:22	ShadowNinja	first login only
15:23	VanessaE	my guess is the data being sent to the client is drowning out some kind of keepalive/ping that's going on at the same time.
15:23	ShadowNinja	and that progress meter has to be added to the freetype build
15:23	Infinity_69	who has Xubuntu 12.04
15:24	VanessaE	I have.
15:24	Infinity_69	rly?
15:24	Infinity_69	please compile 0.4.4 for me :)
15:24	Infinity_69	i mean 0,4,5
15:24	ShadowNinja	why can't you do it?
15:24	Infinity_69	he wont install cMake
15:24	Infinity_69	idk the sudo pw
15:24	Infinity_69	-.-
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15:25	ShadowNinja	why do commandblock teleporters only work half or the time?
15:26	VanessaE	Infinity_69: if you can't compile, use the daily builds ppa
15:27	VanessaE	"the sudo password" would normally be the same password you log in with
15:30	ShadowNinja	if you are in the sudoers file
15:30	VanessaE	yes
15:30	NakedFury	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaLOASx7Lrc
15:30	NakedFury	i wish for that in minetest
15:30	NakedFury	instead of minecarts
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15:40	ShadowNinja	This junps beetween sizes, anyone know how to make it smoth? logosize *= screensize.Width/logotexture->getOriginalSize().Width;
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15:48	VanessaE	afternoon, adam
15:49	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
15:54	PilzAdam	VanessaE, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=74174#p74174
15:54	thexyz	khonkhortisan: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/528/files#L0R118 why is neighborRail a class and not a struct?
15:54	PilzAdam	spam
15:54	thexyz	PilzAdam: deleted
15:54	VanessaE	ninja'd
15:55	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: I decided to forget the dynamic scaling, how wide do you think the menulogo should be
15:55	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: either scale it or don't include it.
15:55	VanessaE	there's no in-between here,
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15:56	ShadowNinja	I mean it won't resize to window size but hd logos will work
15:56	VanessaE	it needs to resize.
15:57	VanessaE	you can't guarantee at all how big a given user's screen is
15:57	VanessaE	what works in the 800x600 default window may not work properly on a 1280x1024 full screen display, or something like a 1920x1080 HD screen
15:57	ShadowNinja	well give me some code that works and I will add it, but I have already spent enough time on this
15:57	ShadowNinja	the main menu is also static
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16:16	ShadowNinja	Looks just about right now, screenshots coming
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16:22	ShadowNinja	What do you think? http://ubuntuone.com/5AsoqVpdCJZUVtrrZrxbjr http://ubuntuone.com/1H2nJoSi4johDDimKWeDf7 http://ubuntuone.com/5fWggn9YAr5O1mZj6ezOps http://ubuntuone.com/5BusWh4zwLnASHCGDKm08n
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16:23	Infinity_69	hi
16:23	Infinity_69	VanessaE
16:23	Infinity_69	r u there?
16:24	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: looks good
16:24	VanessaE	Infinity_69: yes?
16:24	Infinity_69	where are the 0.4.5 changelogs?
16:24	VanessaE	http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog
16:24	PilzAdam	Infinity_69, are you "Ragnar" in the forums=
16:24	PilzAdam	*?
16:25	ShadowNinja	should I draw the menulogo background? I think it would be better if I didn't
16:25	Infinity_69	PilzAdam, yes :)
16:25	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: no, let the menulogo be as transparent as needed.
16:25	VanessaE	(of course, you'll want to adjust the colors of the old one to fit well against the clouds/sky picture)
16:26	PilzAdam	Infinity_69, you requested Estonian language, you can translate it here: http://translate.minetest.ru/projects/minetest/core/
16:26	Infinity_69	thanks
16:26	Infinity_69	now, what do i translate actually?
16:26	Infinity_69	can you make a pic?
16:26	Infinity_69	and make an underline what to translate
16:27	Infinity_69	wait...
16:27	Infinity_69	the grey box after Source
16:27	Infinity_69	?
16:28	PilzAdam	1) create an account 2) click on "Estonian" 3) Click on "Untranslated strings" 4) translate
16:28	Infinity_69	ok :)
16:29	* Calinou	watches Infinity_69 translating as he puts bad words in the translation
16:30	Infinity_69	omg, im 14!
16:30	Infinity_69	im not a li'l kid anymore!
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16:30	Infinity_69	im a young adult
16:30	VanessaE	Calinou: a week later, backlash from the Estonian community.
16:30	VanessaE	Infinity_69: 14 is still a child.
16:30	VanessaE	sorry.
16:31	Infinity_69	yeah, from the outside, but im not a child from the inside o.o
16:32	* Calinou	has 3 worlds: "test_world", "world", "only_chuck_norris_can_do_this"
16:32	Calinou	third one was for making a screenshot of something that prevents fall damage :P
16:32	* PilzAdam	has "Mapgen", "Mobs", "Master", "Test", and "Mine"
16:33	markveidemanis	Hi
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16:33	VanessaE	Infinity_69: Not to insult, but you outwardly display the maturity, language skills, and general demeanor of a child of 14. You have some distance to go before you could rightfully consider yourself an adult.
16:33	* ShadowNinja	thought up a new type of chat spamming
16:34	VanessaE	worlds on my install are a couple of testing worlds, a few maps downloaded during the last mesecons competition, and my server world. Nothing really special there.
16:34	Infinity_69	-.-
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16:36	markveidemanis	!up minetest.org
16:36	markveidemanis	Hi Minetest-tan
16:36	markveidemanis	No?
16:37	Infinity_69	VanessaE, what is used more: Map or World...
16:37	Infinity_69	i mean in MT
16:37	markveidemanis	Map
16:37	Infinity_69	didnt ask you o.o
16:37	PilzAdam	use World
16:37	markveidemanis	then World
16:37	Infinity_69	ok
16:37	VanessaE	they're used roughly interchangeably, but if you want to be specific, "world" should refer to the files on disk, and "map" really should refer to a PNG overview image of it
16:37	Infinity_69	ok
16:38	Infinity_69	that makes sense
16:38	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: how about menusplash, menufooter, and logo(for the credits tab)
16:38	markveidemanis	i just do random
16:38	Infinity_69	whats the Menusplash?
16:38	markveidemanis	who here knows TKinter
16:38	Infinity_69	like in MineCraft?
16:38	Infinity_69	....!
16:38	Infinity_69	:D
16:38	Infinity_69	party();
16:38	Infinity_69	.party();
16:38	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: sounds good to me.
16:38	Infinity_69	xD
16:38	Infinity_69	12345 is a bad password!
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16:39	VanessaE	that's putting it mildly.
16:39	VanessaE	a password should be a random string of letters, numbers, and if possible symbols like @^&$. Perhaps arranged in an easy-to-remember order
16:39	Infinity_69	VanessaE, PilzAdam, will i be credited somewhere when done translating?
16:39	VanessaE	and shoul dnever, EVER be based on a dictionary word.
16:40	PilzAdam	Infinity_69, yes, in the git history and probably in the changelog
16:40	Infinity_69	yay :)
16:40	VanessaE	I would assume so, in the form of your commit being "Authored by Infinity_69" or whatever
16:40	Infinity_69	:D
16:42	iqualfragile	pwgen -nys 32
16:42	iqualfragile	(at least thats how i create my passwords
16:42	iqualfragile	here, take some:
16:42	iqualfragile	$1liDnt?1=Uqc$!L<$2n:eRyQ5I~KM= 7\Ag"l?^!WTNB/eaNK+_D{7vT;7(4>)/ 4X~cAI#I<E<28?_hFa^3xXJ9Zqh9zVo/ f6RE$;X>T\|a"hiAo6JL=@aYu~r{DU`qT
16:42	markveidemanis	SPAM
16:42	iqualfragile	PASSWORDS
16:42	VanessaE	that is not spam.
16:43	markveidemanis	that is ^
16:43	VanessaE	hell that isn't even flooding
16:43	VanessaE	that's just gibberish :)
16:43	markveidemanis	can i have a go?
16:43	Infinity_69	i have a GREAT PW
16:43	markveidemanis	:D
16:43	Infinity_69	ca#c##b#####
16:43	VanessaE	Infinity_69: "password1"?
16:43	VanessaE	:)
16:43	Infinity_69	every # is a number
16:43	Infinity_69	not gonna tell what number
16:43	iqualfragile	Infinity_69: NEVER EVER publish any hints
16:43	VanessaE	all of my passwords are generated by mashing the keyboard :D
16:43	Infinity_69	:)
16:43	Infinity_69	lawl
16:44	VanessaE	Infinity_69: change your password. you've just compromised yourself.
16:44	Infinity_69	mine was sent to me from SacredSeasons
16:44	markveidemanis	6-9-6-9-6-9 ?
16:44	iqualfragile	just do it now
16:44	Infinity_69	nope
16:44	Infinity_69	mark, nope...
16:44	Infinity_69	[19:34] <Infinity_69> mine was sent to me from SacredSeasons 2*
16:44	iqualfragile	otherwise i will calulate how many minutes it would take to break that one
16:44	Infinity_69	omg...
16:44	VanessaE	Infinity_69: this channel is publicly logged. your account is now compromised.
16:45	Infinity_69	i have it on so many places...
16:45	* VanessaE	signs into Infinity_69's SacredSeasons account..
16:45	iqualfragile	thefuck?
16:45	iqualfragile	never use a password twice
16:45	Infinity_69	gMail, iTunes, FreeNode etc...
16:45	Infinity_69	o.o
16:45	VanessaE	wtf? Vampires? My Little Ponies?
16:45	Infinity_69	MLP?
16:45	sfan5	ponies?
16:45	Infinity_69	iDaFaQ
16:45	Infinity_69	hi sfan5
16:45	Infinity_69	im translating MineTest into Estonian
16:46	VanessaE	Infinity_69: I am not kidding. go change your password. NOW.
16:46	Infinity_69	ok :D
16:46	VanessaE	and change it to something different on every other site.
16:46	Infinity_69	how do i change it here?
16:46	iqualfragile	100000000 posibilites is not that much
16:46	Infinity_69	o.o
16:46	iqualfragile	on freenode?
16:47	iqualfragile	https://www.freenode.net/faq.shtml#changepass
16:47	VanessaE	now that we know the format of your password, 100M possibilities could be blown through in a matter of a few minutes of concentrated effort
16:47	Infinity_69	charlie sierra mike 8 QUEBEC 5 9 2 ECHO 7 KILO 4 VICTOR NOVEMBER 8
16:47	Infinity_69	:D
16:47	Infinity_69	my new pw...
16:47	sfan5	sure,sure
16:48	Infinity_69	csm8Q592E7K4VN8
16:48	Infinity_69	xD
16:48	Infinity_69	o.o
16:48	VanessaE	we are NOT kidding about this, Infinity_69
16:48	iqualfragile	are you kidding me?
16:48	Infinity_69	i know...
16:48	Infinity_69	im at StrongPasswordGenerator.com
16:48	Infinity_69	:D
16:49	Exio	if he doesn't want his account, and does not want to read what you said, don't bother
16:49	VanessaE	and NEVER USE A WEBSITE to generate a password!!!!
16:49	VanessaE	how do you know that website isn't tracking you?
16:49	Infinity_69	idk :/
16:49	iqualfragile	dont use anything connected to the outer world to use a password
16:49	Infinity_69	omg, google knows my gMail pw!
16:49	iqualfragile	the website could just save your password
16:49	Infinity_69	HOW?!
16:49	VanessaE	Infinity_69: as I said before, you are still a child.
16:49	iqualfragile	Infinity_69: no, it does not
16:50	VanessaE	and it happens that google runs gmail, so of course the same password works there.
16:50	VanessaE	(I thought everyone knew that?)
16:50	iqualfragile	he knows that
16:50	Infinity_69	ugh, no i dont o.o
16:50	Infinity_69	xD
16:50	VanessaE	are you sure? :)
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16:51	sfan5	!c 10^8
16:51	MinetestBot	100Â 000Â 000
16:51	Infinity_69	omg, Youtube is Google?
16:51	sfan5	yes
16:51	VanessaE	Infinity_69: yep.
16:51	Infinity_69	!c
16:51	MinetestBot	Infinity_69: Nothing to calculate.
16:51	Infinity_69	oh
16:51	Infinity_69	!c is calculate
16:51	MinetestBot	Sorry, no result.
16:51	Infinity_69	lawl
16:51	VanessaE	Infinity_69: there's a reason some people use the phrase 'googleplex'.
16:51	Infinity_69	!gc passwordhacker
16:51	MinetestBot	passwordhacker: 4,460
16:51	VanessaE	they've got their fingers in everything these days.
16:51	sfan5	!c Infinity_69's password strength
16:51	MinetestBot	Sorry, no result.
16:51	Infinity_69	omg...
16:51	Infinity_69	onlyt
16:51	Infinity_69	lawl
16:52	Infinity_69	Google thinks my password is strong
16:52	Infinity_69	it was green
16:52	VanessaE	your password is weak if you already revealed any part of it to us. google doesn't know you did that.
16:52	Infinity_69	not that...
16:52	Infinity_69	i changed it...
16:52	VanessaE	this channel is logged and is searchable on the web.
16:53	Infinity_69	i know
16:53	VanessaE	and who knows how many "people" here are actually spy bots.
16:53	Infinity_69	somebody kickban loggingbot_
16:53	sfan5	nope
16:53	sfan5	thexyz wouldn't like that
16:53	Exio	in any case
16:53	Infinity_69	but i will .-.
16:53	Exio	most of people here has local logs
16:53	sfan5	Infinity_69: what if i tell you .... oh wait Exio said it alreaday
16:54	sfan5	*already
16:54	thexyz	privacy!
16:54	Infinity_69	X.X
16:54	thexyz	that won't help you though
16:54	markveidemanis	http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15253340/tkinter-image-viewer-with-buttons-and-entrybar
16:54	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: http://ubuntuone.com/7j9BuZ4X9KbtS3N4FOVJck
16:54	thexyz	just prepend all your messages with [off]
16:55	Infinity_69	$privacy = file_get_contents('googleDB.mysql');
16:55	Infinity_69	echo $privacy
16:55	Infinity_69	thats how all the pro's do it!
16:55	Infinity_69	xP
16:56	Exio	yes, a pro
16:56	Infinity_69	yay :D
16:56	thexyz	VanessaE: that background is really annoying
16:56	Exio	what posts his password in a public logged channel.
16:56	Infinity_69	is it now...
16:56	Infinity_69	RLLY?!
16:56	Infinity_69	thexyz did it Exio, not me, i swear!
16:56	sfan5	what?
16:57	Infinity_69	[19:46] <Exio> what posts his password in a public logged channel.
16:57	Infinity_69	[19:46] <Infinity_69> thexyz did it Exio, not me, i swear
16:57	Exio	i don't think you need to flood-highlight me, but ok
16:57	Exio	(flood highlight with useless stuff, i mean)
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16:58	VanessaE	thexyz: what background?
16:58	nyuszika7h	17:49:07* @VanessaE â”‚ and NEVER USE A WEBSITE to generate a password!!!!
16:58	nyuszika7h	strongpasswordgenerator.com uses JavaScript
16:58	nyuszika7h	you can look at the code if you don't believe it :P
16:58	VanessaE	nyuszika7h: so? it's still on the web.
16:58	nyuszika7h	JS is executed client-side
16:59	VanessaE	I know that.
16:59	thexyz	VanessaE: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/mockup-1.png
16:59	markveidemanis	how do i set a python variable to a random interger?
16:59	VanessaE	thexyz: note the filename. "mockup"
16:59	VanessaE	that is not at all intended to be anything useful
16:59	Exio	markveidemanis: http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html ?
16:59	thexyz	VanessaE: it still makes me want to close the tab right after opening it
16:59	VanessaE	it's supposed to just show the overall layout I was talking about
16:59	nyuszika7h	markveidemanis: x = random.randint(first, last)
16:59	markveidemanis	thanks
16:59	thexyz	VanessaE: so i think this mockup is pretty much useless
17:00	thexyz	by the way
17:00	VanessaE	thexyz: um.. it isn't supposed to be useful.
17:00	nyuszika7h	use .randrange() if you want the Pythonic way, that doesn't include the last number in the range (e.g. (0, 9) would be between 0 and 8, inclusive)
17:00	thexyz	why do we care about Infinity_69's passwords all of sudden?
17:00	jojoa1997	guys i need help with some modding probs
17:00	jojoa1997	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=74186#p74186
17:00	sfan5	because he gave a hint what it is
17:00	VanessaE	thexyz: because it comes as part of being a decent human being? caring about others? keeping them from making stupid mistakes?
17:00	jojoa1997	i have been trying for 2 days and nothing works
17:01	thexyz	VanessaE: well, he doesn't seem to even try to understand
17:01	Infinity_69	Perlin noise maps (huge speed boost) = Less lag online?
17:01	VanessaE	thexyz: and besides, apparently the mockup did its job, because that's overall format ShadowNinja went with.
17:01	thexyz	of course i can't stop you from wasting your time
17:02	nyuszika7h	Infinity_69: if the website doesn't limit my speed of guessing passwords, I can guess your password in 80 seconds
17:02	thexyz	VanessaE: great then
17:02	nyuszika7h	and that's without threading
17:02	nyuszika7h	there are 8 numbers missing, and the 0..9 range is 10 numbers, 8 * 10 = 80 seconds with 1 password / sec
17:02	Infinity_69	then guess it :)
17:02	markveidemanis	how do i get the second word of a typed line in pythoin
17:02	markveidemanis	python
17:03	Exio	hahaha
17:03	Calinou	what site actually limits password guessing speed? 8D
17:03	markveidemanis	setpass [password]
17:03	Infinity_69	i will stop you if you get it right
17:03	Calinou	very basic thing, but very few sites do it
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17:04	Infinity_69	nyuszika7h start guessing!
17:04	nyuszika7h	markveidemanis: sys.stdin.readline().strip().split(' ')[1]
17:04	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: http://ubuntuone.com/7j9BuZ4X9KbtS3N4FOVJck
17:04	thexyz	markveidemanis: "a word".split()[1]
17:04	nyuszika7h	yes, the ' ' is not needed for the split
17:04	markveidemanis	can i use *
17:04	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: HD version of my menulogo: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/menulogo-hd.png
17:04	nyuszika7h	you can also use raw_input() (or in Python 3, input())
17:04	nyuszika7h	markveidemanis: how do you mean?
17:05	jojoa1997	no one can help?
17:05	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: already saw that
17:05	jojoa1997	if you can pm me i got to go
17:05	markveidemanis	wildcard
17:05	nyuszika7h	markveidemanis: in what context?
17:05	ShadowNinja	is that just the menulogo?
17:05	Infinity_69	nyuszika7h
17:05	nyuszika7h	Infinity_69
17:06	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: at present, yes, but when your code is released I guess I'll use that ^^^^^ image as the menu splash and make the logo, bg, etc transparent/empty
17:06	markveidemanis	i dont know, but i thought it was for 'guessing'
17:06	Infinity_69	start guessing...
17:06	Infinity_69	NOW!"
17:06	markveidemanis	never mind...your right, im wrong :D
17:06	VanessaE	jojoa1997: fix peaceful_npc so I can re-install it :)
17:06	ShadowNinja	ah, thats how you got rid of the menulogo background
17:06	nyuszika7h	Infinity_69: I'd post a list of possible combinations but I don't want to make it easier to get your accounts compromised.
17:07	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: yep. I overrode it entirely, just by supplying a properly named-and-sized image in my texture pack.
17:07	nyuszika7h	anyone can easily do it in Python
17:07	Infinity_69	i already changed the passwords, so now its just a combo...
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17:07	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: but because menulogo.png gets scaled up by 4x no matter its size, the HDX version is currently only 320x256 or some such.
17:09	Infinity_69	ok, my ex-password is(was) 276*71777
17:09	Infinity_69	every * is a letter...
17:09	Infinity_69	find them :D
17:09	nyuszika7h	Infinity_69: rofl
17:09	nyuszika7h	are you really that stupid
17:09	nyuszika7h	it's obvious now
17:09	nyuszika7h	anyone who can read can guess it
17:10	VanessaE	ca2c76b71777
17:10	VanessaE	duh.
17:10	Infinity_69	[19:59] <nyuszika7h> are you really that stupid: im pretty smart for my age
17:10	Infinity_69	vanessaE, yeah :D
17:10	Infinity_69	great pw huh :D
17:10	VanessaE	sucky.
17:10	VanessaE	weak as fuck
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17:10	Infinity_69	o
17:10	VanessaE	no capital letters, repeating digits, no symbols
17:10	Infinity_69	i told you...
17:10	Infinity_69	i changed it you dumbass
17:11	Exio	even my old password was better
17:11	VanessaE	you changed it on what, one site you use it on?
17:11	VanessaE	you just said you used it in multiple locations.
17:11	Infinity_69	FN, Google(YT, GM, GdC) etc...
17:11	markveidemanis	http://paste.pound-python.org/show/31016/ whats wrong
17:12	nyuszika7h	markveidemanis: line = raw_input(">").rstrip('\r\n')
17:12	sfan5	my password matches [0-9a-zA-Z\-\\\?]*
17:12	sfan5	that gives almost no hint at all
17:13	Exio	my password matches with ".*"
17:13	Exio	(without the quotes :)
17:13	nyuszika7h	Exio: lol
17:13	markveidemanis	meh,i give up on that shitty random program
17:13	sfan5	mine too i bet we have the same passwords </ironic>
17:13	VanessaE	a strong password is like the ones I use - let's just say they're into the dozens of characters range, allowing for the entirety of the standard 7-bit ASCII character set, as long as the site considers it valid.
17:14	Exio	VanessaE: this is mine! Sv4!sBZPb:a6gtY@;lO?;b{YP;,Fx6=k'\|%#]0m:XXNt(f!F}j59=;7.~R\|zzGd-;F5"Qe#u+.{\|^ZW;
17:15	sfan5	!c 1024+768
17:15	MinetestBot	1792
17:15	VanessaE	Exio: that's some password :)
17:15	VanessaE	looks more like a perl script :D
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17:16	nyuszika7h	markveidemanis: the problem is you are exiting the program on 'randompass'
17:16	markveidemanis	sfan, do b64e
17:16	nyuszika7h	variables aren't stored between executions
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17:17	sfan5	markveidemanis: why?
17:17	sfan5	!b64e
17:17	MinetestBot	sfan5: Nothing to encode.
17:18	sfan5	i'll actually be nice to you
17:18	sfan5	!unignore markveidemanis
17:18	MinetestBot	sfan5: 'markveidemanis' removed from ignore list.
17:18	markveidemanis	b64e hello i am a witch, burn me
17:18	Infinity_69	Sfan5, put "Print Stacks" in a sentence...
17:18	markveidemanis	thank you!
17:18	Infinity_69	i dont know how to translate it...
17:18	Infinity_69	kinda...
17:18	Infinity_69	o.o
17:18	markveidemanis	!up minetest.org
17:18	sfan5	no
17:18	MinetestBot	minetest.org:30000 seems to be down
17:18	Infinity_69	cmon
17:18	Infinity_69	VanessaE
17:18	markveidemanis	OldCoder
17:18	sfan5	stop hightliting everyone
17:18	sfan5	-t
17:19	ShadowNinja	Github updated: https://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest/compare/menu_clouds
17:19	sfan5	!b64e hello i am a witch, burn me
17:19	MinetestBot	aGVsbG8gaSBhbSBhIHdpdGNoLCBidXJuIG1l
17:19	sfan5	^ markveidemanis
17:19	markveidemanis	it takes the same amount of space?
17:21	OldCoder	markveidemanis, yes?
17:21	Infinity_69	!b64e hi?
17:21	MinetestBot	aGk/
17:22	Infinity_69	lawl
17:22	markveidemanis	why is minetest.org down?
17:22	Infinity_69	!b64e hi
17:22	MinetestBot	aGk=
17:22	Infinity_69	ok
17:22	Infinity_69	!b64e ?
17:22	MinetestBot	Pw==
17:22	Infinity_69	xD
17:22	markveidemanis	!b64d
17:22	MinetestBot	markveidemanis: Nothing to decode.
17:22	markveidemanis	d. not e
17:22	Infinity_69	oh
17:22	Infinity_69	e is encode?
17:22	Infinity_69	d is decode?
17:22	Infinity_69	ok :D
17:23	Infinity_69	!b64d PW==
17:23	MinetestBot	=
17:23	Infinity_69	?
17:23	nyuszika7h	markveidemanis: http://ideone.com/iwM5Nk
17:23	Infinity_69	markveidemanis, use Eric - a Python IDE
17:23	ShadowNinja	!b64d aGVsbG8gaSBhbSBhIHdpdGNoLCBidXJuIG1l
17:23	MinetestBot	hello i am a witch, burn me
17:24	Infinity_69	lawl
17:25	* nyuszika7h	points at topic
17:25	Infinity_69	!b64d aGVsbG8gaSBhbSBhIHdpdGNoLCBidXJuIG1l
17:25	MinetestBot	hello i am a witch, burn me
17:27	markveidemanis	http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15253340/tkinter-image-viewer-with-buttons-and-entrybar
17:27	ShadowNinja	!b64d L21lIHRlc3Rz
17:27	MinetestBot	/me tests
17:27	markveidemanis	lol good idea
17:27	markveidemanis	/me
17:27	ShadowNinja	awe, I can't ru commands :-(
17:27	ShadowNinja	*run
17:27	markveidemanis	that would be cool.....
17:29	Infinity_69	IWdjIHBvcm4=
17:30	Infinity_69	!b64d IWdjIHBvcm4=
17:30	MinetestBot	!gc porn
17:30	nyuszika7h	ShadowNinja: that's not how IRC works
17:30	Infinity_69	lawl
17:30	Infinity_69	look at what MinetestBot is google'ing
17:30	nyuszika7h	when you send a message, the IRC server actually gets "PRIVMSG #minetest :foo"
17:30	Infinity_69	xD
17:31	nyuszika7h	!b64d AUFDVElPTiBsb29rcyBhcm91bmQB
17:31	* MinetestBot	looks around
17:31	ShadowNinja	nyuszika7h: you need a nich andt is easier to type and I know
17:31	Infinity_69	!b64d SGV5IFBpbHpBZGFtLCB3aGF0IGRvZXMgTFVBIHN0YW5kIGZvcj8=
17:31	MinetestBot	Hey PilzAdam, what does LUA stand for?
17:32	nyuszika7h	and before you ask, no, you can't make it quit with that, or do anything other than /msg, /me or other CTCPs
17:32	khonkhortisan	!b64d SSBpcyBhIE1pbmV0ZXN0Qm90
17:32	MinetestBot	I is a MinetestBot
17:32	khonkhortisan	hehe
17:32	Infinity_69	xD
17:32	nyuszika7h	guys, I think it's enough
17:32	nyuszika7h	this is not a playground
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17:32	nyuszika7h	as the topic says
17:32	Infinity_69	[20:21] <MinetestBot> TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'Error' objects (file "/home/stefan/mtbot/bot.py", line 162, in <lambda>)
17:32	Infinity_69	xD
17:32	nyuszika7h	where?
17:32	Infinity_69	what?
17:32	Infinity_69	look
17:32	Infinity_69	!b64d SGV5IFBpbHpBZGFtLCB3aGF0IGRvZXMgTFVBIHN0YW5kIGZvcj8
17:33	MinetestBot	TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'Error' objects (file "/home/stefan/mtbot/bot.py", line 162, in <lambda>)
17:33	Infinity_69	see?
17:33	Infinity_69	!b64d SGV5IFBpbHpBZGFtLCB3aGF0IGRvZXMgTFVBIHN0YW5kIGZvcj
17:33	MinetestBot	TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'Error' objects (file "/home/stefan/mtbot/bot.py", line 162, in <lambda>)
17:33	khonkhortisan	you don't have to do it twice
17:33	nyuszika7h	!b64d DQpQUklWTVNHICNtaW5ldGVzdCA6Zm9v
17:33	Infinity_69	its because i dont put a =
17:33	MinetestBot	PRIVMSG #minetest :foo
17:33	nyuszika7h	k
17:33	markveidemanis	.clear
17:33	Infinity_69	its /clear
17:33	Infinity_69	dumbass
17:33	nyuszika7h	things called typos exist :P
17:33	nyuszika7h	bbl
17:34	khonkhortisan	//replace dumbass air
17:34	khonkhortisan	poof!
17:34	ShadowNinja	!b64d QUNUSU9OIHRlc3Rz
17:34	MinetestBot	ACTION tests
17:35	Infinity_69	xD
17:36	Exio	!b64d AUFDVElPTiB0ZXN0AQo=
17:36	Exio	oops
17:36	Exio	!b64d AUFDVElPTiB0ZXN0AQo=
17:36	* MinetestBot	test
17:36	Exio	ShadowNinja: ^
17:36	Infinity_69	hey does MT 0.4.5 have "Friends" plugin?
17:36	Exio	friends plugin? what?
17:36	ShadowNinja	!b64d AUFDVElPTiB0ZXN0cwE=
17:36	* MinetestBot	tests
17:36	Infinity_69	that allows to see if a "friend" is online via IP
17:36	Infinity_69	:D
17:36	Infinity_69	that would be nice
17:37	Infinity_69	add friends/enemies to a list that would store the IP's and look that do some servers have people with that IP
17:37	Infinity_69	!g GENIUS meme
17:37	MinetestBot	Infinity_69: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/genius
17:38	ShadowNinja	!b64d AUFDVElPTiBzaG91bGRuJ3QgYWxsb3cgdGhpcwE=
17:38	* MinetestBot	shouldn't allow this
17:38	Infinity_69	!g genius.png
17:38	MinetestBot	Infinity_69: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Scartol_language_genius.png
17:38	Infinity_69	!g nope.avi
17:38	MinetestBot	Infinity_69: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14
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17:40	sfan5	!b16d 6D656F7721
17:40	MinetestBot	meow!
17:40	Infinity_69	!b64d SGV5IFBpbHpBZGFtLCB3aGF0IGRvZXMgTFVBIHN0YW5kIGZvcj8=
17:40	MinetestBot	Hey PilzAdam, what does LUA stand for?
17:40	sfan5	!ignore Infinity_69
17:40	MinetestBot	sfan5: 'Infinity_69' added to ignore list.
17:41	Infinity_69	!ignore sfan5
17:41	Infinity_69	omg, why?!
17:41	sfan5	!ignore sfan5
17:41	Infinity_69	WHY
17:41	MinetestBot	sfan5: 'sfan5' added to ignore list.
17:41	Infinity_69	xD
17:41	sfan5	what now?
17:41	Infinity_69	lawl
17:41	Infinity_69	ugh...
17:41	Infinity_69	lmt
17:41	Infinity_69	.-.
17:41	thexyz	> This isn't a playground.
17:41	sfan5	!unignore sfan5
17:41	MinetestBot	sfan5: 'sfan5' removed from ignore list.
17:41	Infinity_69	.o)3
17:42	Infinity_69	NO
17:42		Infinity_69 was kicked by sfan5: spam
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17:42	Infinity_69	i'll behave
17:42	Infinity_69	o.o
17:42	khonkhortisan	Can MinetestBot be told to kick people?
17:42	sfan5	no
17:42	thexyz	see
17:42	PilzAdam	sfan5, your bot is annyoing
17:42		Infinity_69 was kicked by thexyz: Infinity_69
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17:42	sfan5	PilzAdam: why?
17:43	PilzAdam	<MinetestBot> Hey PilzAdam, what does LUA stand for?
17:43	sfan5	<Infinity_69> !b64d SGV5IFBpbHpBZGFtLCB3aGF0IGRvZXMgTFVBIHN0YW5kIGZvcj8=
17:43	sfan5	it decoded that base64 string because it was told so
17:43	sfan5	*to do so
17:44	ShadowNinja	That is fun but I don't think we realy need it
17:44	sfan5	and after that this happend:
17:44	sfan5	<MinetestBot> sfan5: 'sfan5' added to ignore list.
17:44	sfan5	no wait
17:44	sfan5	*<MinetestBot> sfan5: 'Infinity_69' added to ignore list.
17:44		sfan5 was kicked by sfan5: :/
17:45	khonkhortisan	it takes skill to kick yourself
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17:48	thexyz	that's how knockback works! awesome, right?
17:48	thexyz	5 minutes of silence
17:48	nyuszika7h	lol?
17:48	thexyz	*knockout
17:49	nyuszika7h	thexyz: you should set +C
17:49	nyuszika7h	it is possible to make the bot send CTCP requests with !b64d
17:50	nyuszika7h	like I made it do a /me, that's a CTCP ACTION, others can be done too unless you set +C
17:50	nyuszika7h	well, anyone could send a channel-wide CTCP, not just the bot
17:51	khonkhortisan	like that
17:51	sfan5	-celeron55- VERSION MESE TÃ–Ã–T
17:51	thexyz	sure
17:51	sfan5	-Crisco- NO, sfan5, you may not have my version
17:51	Exio	[14:50:47] -- CTCP requested by sfan5: VERSION (blocked)
17:52	khonkhortisan	09:50\|* Received a CTCP VERSION from sfan5 (to #minetest)
17:52	thexyz	sfan5: plz no flood
17:52	sfan5	sorry
17:52	thexyz	you're not sorry enough
17:52	thexyz	try harder
17:52	sfan5	SORRY
17:53	sfan5	i am very perl('very' x 123) sorry
17:53	* VanessaE	hands sfan5 some bold lttering
17:53	VanessaE	lettering*
17:53	sfan5	sorry?
17:53	sfan5	i think i need to be op
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17:56	nyuszika7h	sfan5: you have +ov
17:57	sfan5	i have?
17:58	nyuszika7h	yes
18:08	ShadowNinja	pull 518 can be closed
18:13	ShadowNinja	all but 5 or so people have timed out on my server, and two of them were greifers, what is going on?
18:14	VanessaE	dunno
18:15	ShadowNinja	can you connect?
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18:15	VanessaE	ip?
18:16	ShadowNinja	67.241.154.164
18:16	ShadowNinja	!up 67.241.154.164
18:16	MinetestBot	67.241.154.164:30000 is up (0.295ms)
18:17	VanessaE	connecting...
18:17	VanessaE	items
18:17	VanessaE	nodes..
18:17	VanessaE	media
18:17	VanessaE	and I'm in
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18:29	Deivan	Hum... How a I get a single item from a group? I have a group, how I get one random item of this group?
18:30	Deivan	Ie, the group:wood.
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18:32	ShadowNinja	something like things_in_group_wood[math.rand(1, #things_in_group_wood)]
18:33	Deivan	Seeking...
18:33	Deivan	I don't found this things in the api...
18:34	ShadowNinja	math.rand is lua, not minetest api
18:34	Deivan	Not the rand...
18:34	Deivan	The "things_in_group_wood"
18:34	ShadowNinja	you have to iterate through all nodes and add them
18:34	Deivan	I found only the get_item_group
18:35	Deivan	Maybe no...
18:35	ShadowNinja	if minetest.registered_nodes.groups.wood
18:36	Deivan	I need test it... Thanks.
18:36	Deivan	AFK
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19:09	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: now that said,
19:10	VanessaE	a lot of people just simply...time out.
19:10	VanessaE	Traxie21's client keeps segfaulting, for example
19:10	VanessaE	or "Some Exception" or bad alloc
19:10	ShadowNinja	but 99%?
19:11	VanessaE	I do see it a lot on my server sadly
19:11	* ShadowNinja	likes travelnet
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19:24	ShadowNinja	yay, two people were able to connect!
19:25	ShadowNinja	and it seems travelnet does not remove stations when they are destroyed
19:25	VanessaE	yeah so I noticed
19:26	VanessaE	I used one in my server earlier and teleported to a location that no longer had one.
19:26	ShadowNinja	do you have the patch handy or should I write my own?
19:26	VanessaE	what patch?
19:26	ShadowNinja	to fix it
19:27	VanessaE	nope
19:27	VanessaE	I'll have to bug sokomine about it
19:29	VanessaE	hell my copy still has the incorrect nodebox defs :)
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19:42	VanessaE	bbl
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20:31	Traxie21	Question
20:31	Traxie21	Is there a way to check a value in a table that may not exist, and have it return nil if it does not exist, or the value if it does?
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20:37	PilzAdam	bye
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20:45	STHGOM	hi
20:46	STHGOM	im having trouble with the mesecons luacontroller
20:46	STHGOM	i cant type in the code block and its black instead of green
20:49	STHGOM	hello?
20:49	Traxie21	O_o
20:49	Traxie21	What version are you running?
20:50	STHGOM	0.4.4
20:50	STHGOM	do i need 0.4.5?
20:50	STHGOM	or do you mean of mesecons?
20:51	sokomine	i have no idea, sorry
20:52	Traxie21	Try 0.4.5
20:52	STHGOM	ok
20:52	Traxie21	I have no idea why it would be black...
20:52	thexyz	screenshot?
20:52	STHGOM	just the code block is black, i will try
20:53	STHGOM	i will take one if 0.4.5 don't work, thanks
20:53	STHGOM	just passing by..
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21:01	RealBadAngel	problem above was irrlicht 1.8 and old sources
21:01	RealBadAngel	btw, updated Technic with 2 bugfixes
21:03	ShadowNinja	RBA: fixed the bug in UI?
21:04	RealBadAngel	talkin of the devil
21:04	RealBadAngel	i cannot reproduce that bug
21:05	RealBadAngel	well, what version of UI are you using? standalone or bundled with technic?
21:05	ShadowNinja	standalone
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21:07	RealBadAngel	i can see the reason
21:07	RealBadAngel	by mistake i uploaded there version that will work in the future lol
21:07	RealBadAngel	take the one that comes with Technic
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21:08	RealBadAngel	or hold on, i will sync those 2 versions
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21:11	RealBadAngel	ShadowNinja, you can update it now
21:12	RealBadAngel	well, all known bugs killed, im back to makin stargate :)
21:14	sokomine	stargate?
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21:14	sokomine	beware! there might be some bugs on the other side :-)
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21:26	STHGOM	thanks 0.4.5 did the trick :D
21:26	STHGOM	now i make robot :D
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21:30	RealBadAngel	sokomine, definitely. strange alien bugs with glowing eyes
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21:38	OWNSyouAll	if i set chunks_per_volume in generate ore to 1/24/24/24 dose that mean it will create one chunk in every 24^3 space?
21:47	Deivan	Ok, my renewed version of the crafting guide is operational. Someone know a good server for host it?
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21:53	khonkhortisan	Is that the same crafting guide that's in unified_inventory?
21:53	Deivan	No, but have the same origin...
21:54	Deivan	Unified make all crazy in my menus...
21:54	Deivan	I have workbench and the unified crash all fuctions.
21:54	Deivan	Is a big mess.
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21:57	Deivan	This one have a small pc, you craft it and put in one place.
21:58	Deivan	If need you go to this pc and search what you need.
21:59	Deivan	Each pc have a independent bookmark.
22:01	khonkhortisan	That's the one I had first, but I like it in the menu better
22:01	Deivan	Don't work with the workbench...
22:02	Deivan	And don't work with recipes with more than 3x3
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22:10	MinetestBot	GIT: commited to minetest/minetest: Change libjson to libjsoncpp in .gitignore aa77ee66c5 2013-03-06T14:09:28-08:00 http://git.io/oG74bw
22:13	telek	jin_xi: Belatedly, thanks for the answer :)
22:16	telek	What's json being added for?
22:17	thexyz	http://servers.minetest.net/
22:19	telek	Publishing is opt-in I hope?
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22:19	thexyz	yes
22:20	thexyz	server_announce in minetest.conf
22:20	telek	Spiffy.
22:20	telek	JSON going to start being used for other stuff as well?
22:20	thexyz	dunno, what stuff?
22:22	telek	Dunno. Thinking a mod api and json schema for database objects perhaps?
22:22	jin_xi	lol
22:22	thexyz	don't think so
22:23	telek	Well suppose I'll come back in a week and check then :D
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22:27	jojoa1997	what does the public option mean http://ompldr.org/vaG9pMw
22:28	NekoGloop\|Laptop	MinetestBot, who the fuck is commiting it?!
22:28	jojoa1997	what does that mean?
22:28	thexyz	jojoa1997: accessible via net i guess
22:29	jojoa1997	so that means that i dont need to do the prot thing to have a server
22:30	thexyz	oh, i was wrong
22:30	jojoa1997	then what is the right answer
22:30	thexyz	public means it will be announced to master server
22:30	jojoa1997	oh
22:30	jojoa1997	:/ now i cant host from my server :(
22:32	thexyz	why?
22:32	thexyz	oh
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22:33	thexyz	doesn't matter
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22:34	ShadowNinja	sokomine: can you fix your travelnet mod so that digging one removes it from the network?
22:43	Uberi	what do you think mesecons should sound like when you place/dig it?
22:43	Uberi	I am considering adding some real sounds for them
22:44	kaeza	I like the dig sound they have now
22:44	kaeza	(the default one)
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22:44	Uberi	hmm, OK
22:44	Uberi	hey VanessaE, do you like the current mesecons dig/place sounds?
22:44	kaeza	but adding sounds for things like buttons and switches would be good
22:45	VanessaE	I haven't noticed them actually
22:45	Uberi	yeah I'm going through them now looking for the ones that don't have sounds
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22:48	NekoGloop\|Laptop	They should sound softer.
22:48	* VanessaE	looks around at her freshly-reinstalled system and wonders if she missed anything
22:48	NekoGloop\|Laptop	Think wool.
22:49	NekoGloop\|Laptop	Uberi ^
22:49	Uberi	I agree, NekoGloop\|Laptop
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22:52	NekoGloop\|Laptop	Also, buttons and levers could have nice little click sounds. Like a metal latch or something.
22:53	Uberi	getting the sounds is a bit hard though, preferably use all CC0 and make licensing less of a pain
22:53	VanessaE	use freesounds.org
22:53	NekoGloop\|Laptop	Or get a microphone.
22:54	VanessaE	grumble
22:54	VanessaE	that wasn't it
22:54	VanessaE	http://www.freesound.org/
22:54	VanessaE	that was it.
22:54	VanessaE	most stuff there is CC0/CC-By-SA
22:54	Uberi	yeah I use freesounds.org for everything, sometimes with a bit of pdsounds.org
22:55	NekoGloop\|Laptop	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X-IR1STMTY This was so obviously made by a linux user who can use Vocaloid in a dualboot or something.
22:55	Uberi	(pdsounds is all public domain, just that they don't have much content)
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22:58	Uberi	wait a minute, mesecons don't have any sounds at all right now
22:59	kaeza	brb, off to Linux
22:59	NekoGloop\|Laptop	Default nodedef defines sounds don't it?
23:00	Uberi	nah you have to use sounds= default.default_sounds...
23:00	NekoGloop\|Laptop	Why don't you check because I'm a lazy ass?
23:00	Uberi	I just did :)
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23:01	NekoGloop\|Laptop	kaeza joinquitspam NAO.
23:01	kaeza	hm?
23:01	kaeza	sowwy
23:02	NekoGloop\|Laptop	Here have a song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsBgCYL9Dn8
23:02	kaeza	stoopid xchat plugin is not authenticating me before join
23:02	* NekoGloop\|Laptop	whistles innocently... Hexchat will do it without plugins~
23:03	* kaeza	puts a CTCP VERSION on NekoGloop\|Laptop's client
23:03	kaeza	:3
23:03	NekoGloop\|Laptop	Little delay there eh?
23:04	kaeza	indeed
23:09	kaeza	question: does the current ttf font support japanese characters?
23:11	NekoGloop\|Laptop	Prolly not, why?
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23:13	thexyz	no
23:13	kaeza	just asking
23:13	thexyz	get uming.ttc
23:13	thexyz	it's free/libre
23:13	kaeza	ok
23:15	STHGOM	does nyone know if the luacontroller can say stuff like signs?
23:15	STHGOM	*know
23:16	Uberi	STHGOM: what do you mean?
23:16	NekoGloop\|Laptop	No.
23:16	Uberi	you want it to say "signs"?
23:16	Uberi	use print("signs")
23:16	STHGOM	no
23:16	NekoGloop\|Laptop	Uberi, no, s/he wants it to function as a sign
23:16	* jin_xi	sings
23:16	STHGOM	that not what i mean
23:16	STHGOM	he
23:16	Uberi	oh, in that case use a sign :P
23:17	kaeza	thexyz, thanks for the suggestion; Mito on the forums is going to make jap translations for his game in the future. I pointed him to the fotn
23:17	kaeza	font*
23:18	NekoGloop\|Laptop	STHGOM, You want it to display text in a manner similar to signs, do you not?
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23:19	Kacey	hi all
23:19	STHGOM	yes
23:19	Uberi	hey Kacey
23:19	kaeza	copy PA's signs into the luacontroller, add the textures somewhere, ???, profit, crash
23:20	Exio	lol "profit, crash"
23:20	STHGOM	i was hoping that i could do something like this: if pin.a=true signprint ("example")
23:20	STHGOM	ok...
23:20	STHGOM	pa?
23:21	STHGOM	PA?
23:21	NekoGloop\|Laptop	kaeza, he means like DEFAULT signs...
23:21	STHGOM	yes
23:21	NekoGloop\|Laptop	not those horrible excuses for signs made by the one known as PilzAderp.
23:22	Uberi	STHGOM: well yes I suppose it would be possible to add a function for that
23:22	Crisco	who the heck is sfan5?
23:22	Uberi	if jeija agrees I'll do it
23:22	STHGOM	YAY
23:22	STHGOM	you are awsome!
23:22	NekoGloop\|Laptop	Crisco, he is everyone. He is noone. He is you. He is me.
23:22	kaeza	lol
23:22	Crisco	NekoGloop\|Laptop: I doubt that
23:23	Crisco	all I know is he ctcp'ed me and highlighted me
23:23	kaeza	well, he is OP here
23:23	NekoGloop\|Laptop	He is very overpowered here.
23:25	Exio	he is offtopic here too >:D
23:25	kaeza	Uberi, I bet a better approach is to expose the node position of the currently running luacontroller
23:26	Exio	what are luacontrollers?
23:26	kaeza	a bit more generic, and also allows you to edit it's infotext meta
23:26	Uberi	programmable nodes in Mesecons, Exio
23:26	Uberi	kaeza: expose node position to what?
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23:26	Exio	in lua?
23:26	Uberi	Exio: in-game
23:26	Exio	damn! i didn't know that was possible in mt
23:27	kaeza	to the script running in the luacontroller
23:27	NekoGloop\|Laptop	Uberi, allow the luacontroller to modify the metadata of the luacontroller.
23:27	Uberi	kaeza: no, luacontrollers are supposed to be usable by untrusted and potentially malicious players
23:27	Uberi	giving it access to the metadata API can have disasterous consequences
23:28	STHGOM	?
23:28	kaeza	like?
23:28	Uberi	if, for example, you could modify the heat of the controller, you could crash the server
23:28	kaeza	oh I see
23:28	Uberi	meta:set_int("heat",-math.huge) while true do end
23:29	Uberi	server is now hanged
23:30	NekoGloop\|Laptop	Well have some blacklisted ones.
23:30	Kacey	you can also give yourself stuff with them...
23:37	Uberi	NekoGloop\|Laptop: in that case, the only ones that would be allowed is the infotext, so might as well have a setinfo() func instead
23:37	Uberi	you can also crash the server by modifying the code while its being executed
23:37	kaeza	Uberi, I see your point, but unless you also block access to find_nodes_in_area(), creative users can find a workaround
23:37	kaeza	by trial and error
23:37	Uberi	of course, we blocked the entire MT api
23:37	Uberi	it's simply not available
23:37	Uberi	only things you can use are print, pin, port, interrupt, digilines, mem, tostring, tonumber, string, and event
23:37	Uberi	also you can't use while, for, repeat, until, or function
23:37	kaeza	so... what's the real difference between that and a recular microcontroller?
23:37	Uberi	which means that the execution environment is not turing complete
23:37	kaeza	regular*
23:37	Uberi	therefore we avoid the halting problem
23:37	Uberi	kaeza: regular ones are programmed in ucScript
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23:37	Uberi	ucScript is a custom language that is rather limited and can't express a lot of things
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23:37	* YoungDerp	has a good mod idea
23:37	kaeza	hi Kacey
23:37	YoungDerp	hi
23:37	AspireMint	Hello, is there somebody who own webpage on bugs3.com? (i have dummie question x) )
23:37	Kacey	i got disconnected
23:38	Kacey	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hluPGpkLUZ0
23:38	Kacey	i want to make this mod
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23:38	kaeza	rick astley mod? :P
23:39	Kacey	no
23:40	NekoGloop\|Laptop	When Kacey logs into his computer, it automatically puts a rickroll on his clipboard.
23:40	ShadowNinja	sokomine: can you fix your travelnet mod so that digging one removes it from the network?
23:40	Kacey	applied energistics
23:41	NekoGloop\|Laptop	AE doesn't have that much in it though...
23:41	Kacey	yet
23:41	kaeza	Kacey, TL;DW
23:41	Kacey	but we could make our own version of it
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23:54	Kacey	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgiioDeo2Kk
23:54	Kacey	even cooler

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