IRC log for #minetest, 2013-02-20

Time	Nick	Message
00:00	Menche	what does "green thumb" do?
00:09	ShadowNinja	idk
00:17	Menche	!?!?
00:17	ShadowNinja	you didn't fix it :-(
00:18	Menche	huh
00:18	Menche	maybe now
00:18	Menche	i just added an if statement to check if "tool" is "nil"
00:18	ShadowNinja	nope
00:19	Menche	yaaay
00:19	Menche	now?
00:19	ShadowNinja	still no
00:19	Menche	darnit :(
00:20	ShadowNinja	there is something like inv:isempty()
00:21	ShadowNinja	is_empty()
00:22	Menche	reported it on the topic
00:24	Menche	try now? just added another if statement
00:24	Menche	gotta get it sometime
00:29	Istar_Eldritch	Hey guys, one question. There's something i can do with that glitched item images when playing with the technic pack?
00:30	Istar_Eldritch	I actually recompile the bins changing the atlas resolution to 4096
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00:42	khonkhortisan	Kacey, it was the pipe in the center surrounded by pipe and mesecon that was keeping it from moving
00:42	khonkhortisan	But pressing a button that moves itself makes the button get stuck on
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00:48	sokomine	hm
01:00	jin_xi	hey, i have updated that gist
01:00	sokomine	gist?
01:01	jin_xi	i was doing it the wrong way... the spawn tree thins
01:01	sokomine	ah. what are you doing there?
01:01	jin_xi	https://gist.github.com/obneq/4980214 this should be a better way to override it
01:02	sokomine	hm. i tried that and it didn't work?
01:02	jin_xi	i changed it
01:03	sokomine	complains with " function arguments expected near 'minetest'"
01:03	sokomine	did you change it in the source code?
01:03	jin_xi	oh sorry
01:03	sokomine	maybe it will be enough if the moretrees mod uses a definite function that i can use. it seems to work with normal lua-side functions
01:04	sokomine	just not with minetest.env?
01:06	jin_xi	could be
01:21	Kacey	back
01:21	MinetestBot	Kacey: Welcome back!
01:22	khonkhortisan	I just found a trick with the node breakers, the tube can be a node behind it
01:22	Kacey	aah
01:25	Kacey	well i have too work out the inchwork drive
01:25	Kacey	worm*
01:40	Kacey	RealBadAngel, PING
01:42	RealBadAngel	pong
01:43	Kacey	i have a question
01:46	RealBadAngel	go on
01:47	Kacey	nvm i figured it out
01:47	Menche	lol
01:47	Kacey	but i also had a suggestion
01:47	Kacey	tube frames and mesecon tube frames
01:47	khonkhortisan	and mesecon tubes
01:48	khonkhortisan	There can be a space between a node breaker and a tube, but there can't be a space between a tube and a deployer
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01:51	NekoGloop	Meow?
01:57	sokomine	ah. our local cat distributor. the channel was almost catless some hours ago! please provide some kittens :-)
01:58	* NekoGloop	plops down a box of kittens
01:58	* sokomine	looks excited and pets the kittens
01:59	Kacey	rba, what do you htink of the idea?
01:59	Kacey	think even
02:00	NekoGloop	Who even thinks.
02:04	sokomine	anyone intrested in moretrees and traders in a singleplayer world?
02:08	RealBadAngel	mesecon tubes will be done
02:08	RealBadAngel	about tube frames i will think
02:09	khonkhortisan	so a wall of node breakers, a wall of frames, and a wall of mesecon tubes?
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02:09	bulletrulz	hey guys :D
02:09	MinetestBot	hi bulletrulz
02:09	bulletrulz	mi
02:09	bulletrulz	MiJyn: u here?
02:12	sokomine	if anyone's intrested in lumberjacks (they come with their own homes and trade wood): https://github.com/Sokomine/random_buildings (works only with moretrees, does not spawn automaticly yet and needs a slightly patched version of mobf)
02:16	Kacey	no a wall of mesecons tube frames behind node breakers
02:20	Kacey	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVMobzQp1ko
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02:27	harrison	i posted a few of my movies on freenode channels where i thought they would be
02:27	harrison	relevant. the response was alarming. i was called "weird". but instead
02:27	harrison	of sulking i took a hard look at my own actions and aesthetics. i resolved to
02:27	harrison	be more conventional, more downmarket, more least-common-denominator.
02:27	harrison	to kick off my new "not weird phase" i present this, my most
02:27	harrison	"normal" film ever. http://youtu.be/gqj7NSNC224
02:27	MiJyn	bulletrulz, back :D
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02:36	khonkhortisan	It looks like all six frame motors go to the right. Old version?
02:40	RealBadAngel	http://i.imgur.com/3fHIvaR.jpg
02:41	RealBadAngel	im finishing now code for it, and new system for all the power tools
02:42	sokomine	first i was wondering what you where doing with that fish...
02:42	RealBadAngel	all the power tools will be upgradeable and will have selectable modes of work
02:42	sokomine	what will those tools do?
02:42	khonkhortisan	the fish is what I saw first too
02:43	khonkhortisan	only after you said fish does it not look like one
02:43	RealBadAngel	look at screenshot, what will mk2 do for example
02:43	RealBadAngel	mk3 will have 5th mode 3x3x3
02:44	RealBadAngel	more nodes dug more power drained of course
02:52	Kacey	back
02:52	MinetestBot	Kacey: Welcome back!
02:52	Kacey	no MinetestBot no
02:57	Kacey	night all
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03:25	khonkhortisan	RealBadAngel, pull request for you
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03:28	RealBadAngel	khonkhortisan, merged
03:28	khonkhortisan	thanks
03:28	RealBadAngel	no problemo
03:29	khonkhortisan	The error "Your local changes to the following files would be overwritten by merge" doesn't even check if the changes are exactly the same
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03:31	khonkhortisan	Can MinetestBot leave someone a message?
03:31	MiJyn	back
03:31	MinetestBot	MiJyn: Welcome back!
03:31	MiJyn	thanks :)
03:31	MiJyn	(and yes, I said back just for the sake of hearing MinetestBot :P)
03:31	MiJyn	back
03:31	MiJyn	haha
03:31	khonkhortisan	you have to be silent for long enough?
03:31	khonkhortisan	back
03:31	MinetestBot	khonkhortisan: Welcome back!
03:32	khonkhortisan	guess not
03:32	NekoGloop	back
03:32	MinetestBot	NekoGloop: Welcome back!
03:32	MiJyn	back
03:32	MinetestBot	MiJyn: Welcome back!
03:32	MiJyn	back
03:32	MiJyn	oh
03:32	MiJyn	bavk
03:32	MiJyn	back
03:32	MiJyn	wait
03:32	MiJyn	what?
03:32	MiJyn	back
03:32	MinetestBot	MiJyn: Welcome back!
03:33	* MiJyn	is confused at the algorithm
03:33	NekoGloop	You can't be back so very often
03:33	harrison	i posted a few of my movies on freenode channels where i thought they would be
03:33	harrison	relevant. the response was alarming. i was called "weird". but instead
03:33	harrison	of sulking i took a hard look at my own actions and aesthetics. i resolved to
03:33	harrison	be more conventional, more downmarket, more least-common-denominator.
03:33	harrison	to kick off my new "not weird phase" i present this, my most
03:33	harrison	"normal" film ever. http://youtu.be/gqj7NSNC224
03:33	khonkhortisan	it's only a delay between back responses, not a delay since last message
03:33	khonkhortisan	Your chat cuts off early
03:34	khonkhortisan	i posted a few of my movies on freenode channels where i thought they would be relevant. the response was alarming. i was called "weird". but instead
03:34	khonkhortisan	I can type at least two of your lines without line breaking
03:35	NekoGloop	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShAqslqr_x0 All arguments are invalid
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03:36	Chris___	Hello everyone!
03:36	MinetestBot	hi Chris___
03:36	khonkhortisan	I don't even have to greet people, the bot does that first
03:37	Chris___	lol
03:37	NekoGloop	Try to ninja the bot
03:37	MiJyn	but whatever, hey Chris___
03:37	Chris___	Does anyone here use the technic mod?
03:37	khonkhortisan	Yes
03:37	khonkhortisan	You should update
03:37	Chris___	Ok. Do you know how to get raw latex, by chance?
03:37	khonkhortisan	In the time it took you to get here it was changed
03:37	MiJyn	Chris___, the real question is: does anyone here NOT use the technic mod?
03:38	khonkhortisan	no, I am dependent on creative mode for everything
03:38	khonkhortisan	technic, mesecons, stairsplus, more*, etc.
03:39	* ShadowNinja	can't run a singleplayer world in survival
03:39	Chris___	I can't figure out how to get raw latex. I'm trying to make a flashlight, but I need rubber for that. I'm playing on a server that my friend and I built.
03:41	khonkhortisan	you need a rubber sapling
03:43	NekoGloop	Find a natural rubber tree.
03:53	* VanessaE	peeks in and places one of NekoGloop's kittens on khonkhortisan's head
03:54	* khonkhortisan	goes for a walk and introduces it to the neighbor's cats
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04:08	Vadtec	yay! im finally home and can get some MT time in
04:08	Vadtec	woot woot
04:08	Vadtec	:P
04:08	Vadtec	(ive had some sugar...beware peeps)
04:11	Vadtec	serious question: when I restart the server on my ubuntu VPS, the client doesnt disconnect, is this intended?
04:13	* Vadtec	drops a pin
04:13	* Vadtec	listens to the ting ting echo into the distance...
04:13	Vadtec	so lonely...im all alone
04:14	ShadowNinja	lol, minetest needs a kick function, this happens with ban too
04:15	Vadtec	so it should dc but doesnt
04:15	ShadowNinja	yes
04:16	Vadtec	gotcha
04:16	ShadowNinja	this has caused me to continue to build while disconnected before
04:17	babyface1031	i have a question i have anolder version on moretrees and was about to update but was wondering all the jungle jungle trees that are grown will they go to unknows or just stay
04:17	* ShadowNinja	is off to try to get irssi to work with sasl
04:17	VanessaE	they will remain.
04:17	Vadtec	i so wanna try to make a zipline using the vines and ropes mod
04:17	VanessaE	moretrees keeps backwards compatibility with bas080's jungletrees mod as well as the old legacy ones.
04:17	babyface1031	ok thank you i just didnt want tons of unknowns :D
04:18	VanessaE	no prob
04:28	Vadtec	hmmm, not sure if its a bug or not, but in unified inventory, if i click to go to the next page, it goes 3 pages fwd/back
04:29	Vadtec	same thing if I click the button for alternate recipies
04:29	Vadtec	it cycles through three at a time
04:29	VanessaE	use the > button for one page, >> for 3 pages
04:30	VanessaE	oddly, it seems to work okay on my server
04:30	Vadtec	i am
04:30	VanessaE	maybe your version is just broken? mine comes as part of the technic mod
04:30	Vadtec	i bet thats it, i have technic and uni installed
04:30	VanessaE	ah, you only need technic in that case
04:31	VanessaE	if it's recent
04:31	Vadtec	pretty sure i got it from git
04:31	VanessaE	ok
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04:36	Vadtec	Vadtec: well, removing uni inv itself made it not as bad, but its still skipping 2 pages
04:36	Vadtec	ie from 1 to 3
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04:36	Vadtec	its like its getting the click event twice
04:37	VanessaE	did you also remove regular creative inventory also?
04:37	VanessaE	(it's in minetest_game)
04:38	Vadtec	ummm, no?
04:38	Vadtec	:P
04:38	VanessaE	youhave to.
04:38	VanessaE	Unified Inventory replaces it, and the two will conflict
04:38	Vadtec	im looking for it, but i dont see any mod for it
04:38	VanessaE	it's just called "creative", in minetest_game/mods
04:39	NekoGloop	it's in the games folder
04:39	Vadtec	i dont have a folder named creative in the game im running
04:39	VanessaE	hrm
04:39	VanessaE	any other inventory mods?
04:39	VanessaE	like Inventory Plus or so?
04:39	Vadtec	not that im directly aware of
04:40	Vadtec	sec
04:40	Vadtec	http://pastebin.com/g6XgvqU4
04:40	Vadtec	my mods list for the game im running
04:40	VanessaE	*looks&
04:41	VanessaE	if you have plantlife, you don't need flowers (it already has it). Xdoors2 is considered obsolete (though it looks better than the default doors).. you have two copies of technic there
04:41	VanessaE	technic-master and technic
04:42	NekoGloop	Vadtec: How are you possibly using minetest without the "default" mod...?
04:42	VanessaE	nice catch, I didn't even notice the absence of default.
04:42	Vadtec	i have no idea
04:42	Vadtec	but its there
04:42	Vadtec	errr running
04:42	VanessaE	Vadtec: anyways, figure out which of those two technic's is the right one and delete the other
04:43	Vadtec	i think i copied it twice by mistake
04:43	Vadtec	NekoGloop: i do have default
04:44	Vadtec	drwxrwxr-x 5 vadtec vadtec 4096 Feb 12 14:46 default
04:44	VanessaE	oops, yep default is in that list
04:44	VanessaE	line 2, second word.
04:44	VanessaE	just you have technic and technic-master. one of those is excess
04:44	Vadtec	yeah
04:44	Vadtec	nuking one now
04:45	OldCoder
04:45	NekoGloop	Nukes are fun
04:45	OldCoder	Are there any changes besides updating moretrees that people strongly wish for my worlds? Not Nukes
04:45	OldCoder	I am shutting down to update. Changes are welcome.
04:45	VanessaE	OldCoder: plantlife got a minor update today. Nothing user-facing, just an API tweak.
04:46	Vadtec	yay! it works!
04:46	VanessaE	Vadtec: o/
04:46	VanessaE	\o/
04:46	Vadtec	thanks
04:47	Vadtec	VanessaE: correct me if im wrong, but dont i copy the foldes out of the plantlife folder into mods? if so, thats where flowers comes from
04:47	VanessaE	no
04:47	VanessaE	just copy the whole plantlife folder as-is into your mods folder.
04:47	Vadtec	oh
04:47	VanessaE	it's a modpack, similar to mesecons or technic, so it's self-contained
04:48	Vadtec	i did that with...some other mod i dont remember...and it bitched and moaned about init.lua not being in the "root" folder
04:48	VanessaE	Vadtec: because that one was probably either not a modpack, or the folder was not named right.
04:48	VanessaE	sometimes you'll get a folder named like: Soandso-mymod-374u832542378
04:49	VanessaE	so you'd rename it to just mymod
04:49	Vadtec	iirc i did
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04:49	VanessaE	do you remember which mod it was?
04:49	Vadtec	nature pack?
04:49	VanessaE	nature pack is a modpack, but it's outdated
04:49	VanessaE	don't use it :-)
04:50	Vadtec	pretty sure its the one that was bitchy
04:50	VanessaE	it contains out-of-date copies of plants_lib, junglegrass, and flowers
04:51	OldCoder	VanessaE, so update plantlife?
04:51	VanessaE	instead just copy the mods from within nature pack that you actually want, and let plantlife/plants_lib supply the API
04:51	OldCoder	Does anybody wish other things?
04:51	VanessaE	OldCoder: yeah
04:51	OldCoder	All right
04:51	VanessaE	Vadtec: so for example if you wanted just the bushes, install the plantlife modpack, and copy the bushes mod out of nature pack and use it alone (assuming it still works)
04:52	VanessaE	clear as mud? :-)
04:52	* Vadtec	sighs
04:52	Vadtec	MT needs an effing mod manager
04:52	Vadtec	badly
04:52	VanessaE	yes, it does.
04:52	VanessaE	the only problem is keeping the proposed mod database in sync with all of those mods' upstream sources
04:53	Vadtec	git is written in python, hence direct integration with git is cake
04:54	VanessaE	not everyone uses git for their mods repositories
04:54	VanessaE	a lot of people use just some random filedrop or another
04:54	VanessaE	dropbox, mediafire, etc
04:54	NekoGloop	I use github. My last upload is what, 7 months ago? But I use github.
04:54	VanessaE	and URLs for those mods change frequently
04:55	Vadtec	i have an idea of how id approach it, but id rather clean up my mods list and get back to playing right now
04:56	VanessaE	ok, time for me to head to bed.
04:56	VanessaE	night all :-_)
04:56	Vadtec	cya
04:56	Vadtec	thanks for the info
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04:57	ShadowNinja	anyone know how to get sasl working in irssi?
04:58	Vadtec	magic ponies
05:00	ShadowNinja	thanks, now all I have to do is get a magic pony, got one?
05:01	Vadtec	alas, i do not good sir
05:01	Vadtec	but pixie the wonder gnome might, for the right body part in exchange
05:01	ShadowNinja	I would rather not, we shall have to think of something else
05:01	Vadtec	lol
05:02	Vadtec	seriously, no, i havent used anything irssi related since the early 90s
05:03	NekoGloop	irssi: The IRC client of the past!
05:03	NekoGloop	C'mon, cmd.exe looks better than that.
05:03	NekoGloop	(More user-friendly too)
05:04	ShadowNinja	I use gnome-terminal
05:04	Vadtec	irssi is great when you dont have a GUI
05:04	Vadtec	though i prefer bitchx
05:05	NekoGloop	GAAAAAAAAAAH
05:05	NekoGloop	THE CTCP
05:05	NekoGloop	IT BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRNS
05:07	Vadtec	lol
05:09	Vadtec	this vines-n-ropes mod is so cool
05:09	Vadtec	keeps me from frying my ass in lava
05:11	Vadtec	question: what is the max limit of the MT coords? is it really 32k, or is it something less?
05:11	Vadtec	i think i saw someone say it was like 30900
05:11	ShadowNinja	2^16
05:12	Vadtec	so full 16bit?
05:12	ShadowNinja	mapgen is limited to a bit less
05:12	Vadtec	thats what i meant, the mapgen limit
05:12	ShadowNinja	it makes calculations for lighting and such simpler
05:12	NekoGloop	Way less than what you'll likely realistically use.
05:12	OldCoder
05:12	OldCoder	Does anybody wish more changes?
05:13	Vadtec	ok so...whats the limit then?
05:13	OldCoder	I am updating moretrees technic and plantlife
05:13	OldCoder	Plus removing mob_slime
05:13	OldCoder	which crashes servers
05:13	OldCoder	Anything else?
05:14	NekoGloop	Vadtec, 30900*2 in all directions
05:14	ShadowNinja	about -30912 down
05:14	NekoGloop	amount of nodes = (30900*2)^3
05:14	NekoGloop	Mapgen likes to randomly cut off a lot.
05:14	Vadtec	(30900*2)^3
05:14	Vadtec	236029032000000
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05:15	ShadowNinja	you might be able to change that if you changed vector3d.h
05:17	ShadowNinja	*irr_v3d.h
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05:19	ShadowNinja	nope, doesn't work
05:20	Akerok	Hello everyone.
05:20	MinetestBot	hi Akerok
05:20	Vadtec	thanks for the info NekoGloop / ShadowNinja
05:21	Vadtec	i gotta get some sleep
05:21	Vadtec	so i ll catch this later
05:21	Vadtec	peace
05:22	Akerok	Can anyone help me with an issue with the more trees mod? The rubber tree spawn keeps causing my server to crash. Here is the pastbin of the error: http://pastebin.com/eUvJqjQT
05:25	ShadowNinja	you have to update to the latest dev version
05:25	Akerok	I'm running 0.4.4..........
05:25	ShadowNinja	that is latest satble
05:25	ShadowNinja	*stable
05:25	Akerok	ok
05:26	ShadowNinja	http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.4-d1-fc61c88-win32.7z
05:27	ShadowNinja	(for windows)
05:34	Akerok	Thank you. I'm running the update now.
05:34	ShadowNinja	You're welcome
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05:55	khonkhortisan	hslzk f;d kjd ,oslu vdtnsaoh patsfk
05:55	khonkhortisan	If you can decode that, kudos to you
05:56	MiJyn	so let me see
05:56	MiJyn	your right hand is definitely one off (to the right), am I correct?
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06:09	Oblivion1500	hey oldcoder, are you there?
06:14	sfan5	seems like he isn't
06:23	MiJyn	Oblivion1500, stick around though, he might come online later
06:24	MiJyn	leaving now, bye all!
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06:31	khonkhortisan	No that is not correct
06:35	khonkhortisan	But it does have something to do with the keyboard
06:35	khonkhortisan	and I do have my right hand off to the right by accident sometimes
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06:37	khonkhortisan	http://wbic16.xedoloh.com/dvorak.html
06:40	NekoGloop	Funny, I thought it said something like that and had not the slightest idea that was a thing O.o
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08:11	OldCoder	Hi
08:11	MinetestBot	hi OldCoder
08:14	berome	hi OldCoder !
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09:29	monkeycoder	friendly bot
09:36	OldCoder	Hi
09:36	MinetestBot	hi OldCoder
09:36	OldCoder	and good night
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11:34	rubenwardy	hi all
11:34	MinetestBot	hi rubenwardy
11:34	rubenwardy	you know something is wrong when you put 2 and 2 together, and you get a surd
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11:37	Infinity_69	hi
11:38	rubenwardy	hi...
11:38	rubenwardy	hi
11:38	rubenwardy	hi LL
11:38	rubenwardy	hi all
11:41	Infinity_69	hi ruben
11:41	Infinity_69	i have a question...
11:41	Infinity_69	can you find me a punbb skin that would have something to do with zombies or the apocalypse
11:42	rubenwardy	http://punbb.informer.com/forums/topic/24601/punbb-14x-themes/
11:42	rubenwardy	http://punbb.informer.com/forums/post/142383/#p142383 looks good, maybe change background to green/blood splatters
11:43	Infinity_69	ugh, nope, i found one that suits me&the website
11:43	Infinity_69	forum*
11:44	Infinity_69	or not :/
11:45	Infinity_69	ok, ill try it
11:47	rubenwardy	bah. JetStorm have not replied to my open source license request (ping: thexyz)
11:49	thexyz	sure
11:49	Infinity_69	ruben, how do i install it? i have it in ./forum/style
11:49	thexyz	because they're called JetBrains
11:49	rubenwardy	oh
11:49	rubenwardy	PhpStorm by JetBrains
11:50	thexyz	do you meet the criteria?
11:50	thexyz	You are the project lead or a committer
11:50	thexyz	You have been working on your open source project for a minimum of 3 months
11:50	thexyz	Your community is active. This means that you have recent activity in your newsgroups or forums
11:50	thexyz	You have an updated News section on your site
11:50	thexyz	You release updated builds on a regular basis
11:50	Infinity_69	thexyz, 1. no flooding, 2. how do you write so fast?
11:50	Infinity_69	:D
11:51	rubenwardy	(yes) You are the project lead or a committer
11:51	rubenwardy	(yes) You have been working on your open source project for a minimum of 3 months
11:51	rubenwardy	(maybe) Your community is active. This means that you have recent activity in your newsgroups or forums
11:51	rubenwardy	(no) You have an updated News section on your site
11:51	rubenwardy	(yes) You release updated builds on a regular basis
11:53	thexyz	what's the project you want to use phpstorm for?
11:54	rubenwardy	mt extensions
11:56	Infinity_69	rubenwardy, thexyz : how do i install Urban to PunBB'
11:56	Infinity_69	o.o'
11:57	thexyz	Infinity_69: no idea
11:57	Infinity_69	mkay
11:57	rubenwardy	drag and drop?
11:57	Infinity_69	Rubenwardy
11:57	Infinity_69	yeah, no sh*t, sherlock :D
11:57	rubenwardy	!g punbb install themes
11:57	Infinity_69	'but i mean, how do i make it 1. the default one
11:57	Infinity_69	2. appliable
11:58	rubenwardy	admin -> appearence -> default theme
11:59	rubenwardy	admin -> settings -> Personalize your PunBB installation -> default style
12:00	Infinity_69	it doesnt work :/
12:01	Infinity_69	its set to the default one, but still there is no theme applied
12:01	Infinity_69	o.o'
12:01	Infinity_69	http://zombietest.bugs3.com/forum/
12:05	Infinity_69	now i got it :D
12:05	Infinity_69	i didnt have it applied on MY account :D
12:07	rubenwardy	http://zombietest.bugs3.com/forum/ gets The connection has timed out
12:09	rubenwardy	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2854 added news section
12:12	Infinity_69	ok :D
12:13	Infinity_69	hey, ruben, go back to my forum for just a second...
12:13	Infinity_69	look at the sides...
12:13	Infinity_69	there white...
12:13	Infinity_69	what class/id do they use, do you know?
12:16	rubenwardy	it is not loading
12:16	rubenwardy	if you mean the background, it would be "body"
12:17	Infinity_69	nope...
12:17	Infinity_69	well, anyways, forget it then...
12:17	rubenwardy	I can not count. I go from
12:17	rubenwardy	0.4 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=47848#p47848
12:17	rubenwardy	to 0.6 http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=62599#p62599
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12:18	Infinity_69	ruben, do you use Facebook Like?
12:18	Infinity_69	or is it yours
12:18	Infinity_69	:D
12:18	Infinity_69	just asking
12:19	rubenwardy	huh?
12:19	rubenwardy	you mean, for Mt extensions?
12:21	Infinity_69	yeah
12:21	Infinity_69	if its yours, please, can i have it?
12:21	Infinity_69	not like i get credit for it, but so that i can use it
12:21	Infinity_69	can i have the code, to be more clear...
12:22	rubenwardy	it is not facebook like
12:22	Infinity_69	ok :D
12:22	rubenwardy	https://developers.facebook.com/docs/reference/plugins/like/
12:25	Infinity_69	yes, i know that like button...
12:25	Infinity_69	its just kinda...ugh...boring
12:25	Infinity_69	and old
12:25	Infinity_69	so, do others see the likes a mod gets?
12:26	rubenwardy	http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/search.php?id=mod
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12:26	Infinity_69	oh :D
12:26	Infinity_69	nice
12:26	Infinity_69	so, can i get the code?
12:26	Infinity_69	im guessing ill need a dadabase, huh :D
12:27	rubenwardy	the code is cc-by-sa
12:27	rubenwardy	http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
12:28	rubenwardy	https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest-forum/blob/master/scripts/voters.php
12:28	Infinity_69	so, how do i install it now?
12:28	Infinity_69	or will i have to figure it out myself?
12:30	rubenwardy	yu huh
12:31	Infinity_69	rubenwardy, are you...
12:31	Infinity_69	drunk :D
12:33	rubenwardy	I am 16
12:33	Infinity_69	oh...
12:33	Infinity_69	i hoped you were atleast 18...
12:33	Infinity_69	so you could make me a little birthday "present"
12:33	Infinity_69	:D
12:34	Infinity_69	maybe a cold one :D
12:36	Infinity_69	i have an idea :D
12:37	Infinity_69	ill start making my mod...
12:37	Infinity_69	in Notepad xD
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12:41	rubenwardy	Infinity_69: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/ballmer_peak.png
12:42	Infinity_69	:D
12:43	Infinity_69	so, windows ME, aka Windows Millenium (2000) was good?
12:43	Infinity_69	o.o
12:43	rubenwardy	no
12:43	rubenwardy	very bad
12:43	Infinity_69	oh...
12:43	Infinity_69	well, what about windows in general?
12:43	Infinity_69	on a scale of 1 to 10
12:43	rubenwardy	http://www.rhobbs.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/blog-microsoft-windows-release-cycle-sine-wave/Microsoft-Windows-Release-Cycle-Sine-Wave-Pattern-Good-Bad.jpg
12:43	rubenwardy	1
12:44	rubenwardy	nm
12:44	rubenwardy	ME is 1
12:44	rubenwardy	7 is 7
12:44	Infinity_69	Â´8?
12:44	rubenwardy	3
12:44	Infinity_69	yeah :D
12:44	rubenwardy	8 is still better than vista
12:44	rubenwardy	or me
12:44	Infinity_69	the actual desktop of 8 is 90% 7
12:44	Infinity_69	:D
12:45	Infinity_69	they just gave it some .png's and removed the Start button
12:45	Infinity_69	o.o'
12:45	Infinity_69	hey, you make mods, right?
12:46	Infinity_69	well, i need some png's
12:46	Infinity_69	:D
12:48	rubenwardy	so boring!
12:48	rubenwardy	come on guys!
12:48	rubenwardy	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=71519#p71519
12:52	Infinity_69	i commented it
12:53	Infinity_69	LOOK AT IT!
12:53	Infinity_69	xD
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12:56	Infinity_69	yesterday i submitted a post in "Servers" about me making a zombie apocalypse server soon, when i complete my mod...
12:57	Infinity_69	but today, i can't find it.
12:59	berome	are you axelrose08 ?
13:00	berome	Infinity_69: ^
13:00	Infinity_69	where
13:00	Infinity_69	on the forums_
13:00	Infinity_69	?
13:00	Infinity_69	nope
13:00	berome	here: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4514
13:00	Infinity_69	im Ragnar
13:00	Infinity_69	this is a GAME, not a MOD
13:00	berome	ok, perhaps it had been moved ?
13:00	Infinity_69	:D
13:00	Infinity_69	nope
13:00	Infinity_69	when i look at my topics, it ain't there
13:00	Infinity_69	o.o'
13:01	Infinity_69	i think it got removed :'(
13:03	Infinity_69	hey, berome, help me think of a food item that is in zombie games :D
13:03	Infinity_69	candy bar and bread are taken
13:05	berome	and nowhere alse ? you make/extract stuffs to eat ?
13:06	Infinity_69	what?
13:06	Infinity_69	im making a mod, and it needs food...
13:06	Infinity_69	that aren't grown, but found in boxes and sh*t
13:06	berome	you made a special stuff wich can be eaten, and it can be find only on your game ?
13:07	rubenwardy	fungus?
13:07	rubenwardy	bugs?
13:07	berome	flies
13:07	rubenwardy	zombie brain?
13:07	berome	?
13:07	Infinity_69	not eaten by the zombies, but by the survivors Ã–D
13:07	Infinity_69	:D
13:08	rubenwardy	thexyz: I emailed them back, and I got a license
13:08	rubenwardy	"Thanks for the message and sorry for the late reply from our side"
13:08	thexyz	good
13:08	thexyz	see, they're awesome
13:09	Infinity_69	thexyz
13:09	Infinity_69	did my topic i made yesterday get removed?
13:09	thexyz	maybe
13:09	thexyz	what topic are you talking about?
13:09	rubenwardy	yay!
13:10	Infinity_69	thexyz : ZombieTest, it was in Servers
13:11	thexyz	I didn't delete it
13:11	rubenwardy	It was closed
13:11	rubenwardy	and deleted
13:11	Infinity_69	i know it was closed, i asked somebody to do it...
13:11	Infinity_69	why was it deleted?
13:12	thexyz	it was moved to "Trash", not deleted
13:12	Infinity_69	really_
13:12	Infinity_69	oh yeah, sfan5 closed it, because i asked him
13:12	Infinity_69	where is "Trash"
13:13	sfan5	thats a forum only mods and admins can see
13:13	Infinity_69	oh o.o
13:13	Infinity_69	well, why was it put there?
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13:14	Infinity_69	hey
13:14	Infinity_69	:D
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13:24	Infinity_69	rubenwardy, how do i make a "chest"
13:24	Infinity_69	:D
13:24	Infinity_69	like, to store stuff
13:24	Infinity_69	if i just code the visual, does it store stuff?
13:25	rubenwardy	Wood
13:25	rubenwardy	W W W
13:25	rubenwardy	W - W
13:25	rubenwardy	W W W
13:26	Infinity_69	no, i mean in the lua
13:26	Infinity_69	i want to make a water tank
13:26	Infinity_69	but if i just code the boxes, does it store stuff?
13:26	VanessaE	[02-20 00:22] <Akerok> Can anyone help me with an issue with the more trees mod? [...] error: http://pastebin.com/eUvJqjQT
13:26	VanessaE	Doesn't anyone read the instructions anymore? :-(
13:27	Infinity_69	idk...
13:27	VanessaE	it's right there in big, red, bold print that any version older than Jan. 7 won't work
13:27	Infinity_69	hey VanessaE
13:27	Infinity_69	vanessae, where do i put the FormSpec code?
13:28	VanessaE	Infinity_69: in the register_node() call for whatever node it's attached to.
13:28	Infinity_69	ugh, ok...
13:28	rubenwardy	https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/init.lua#L1224
13:28	VanessaE	I'm not that good with formspecs; look at the "kitchen cabinet" definition in Homedecor
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13:31	Infinity_69	rubenwardy, in the ABM, interval = seconds?
13:31	rubenwardy	yes
13:31	rubenwardy	might be millisecs
13:31	rubenwardy	1000 msecs = 1 sec
13:32	Infinity_69	ok...
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13:33	VanessaE	seconds.
13:33	VanessaE	interval = seconds
13:33	VanessaE	real-world seconds, to be exact.
13:33	Infinity_69	thanks
13:34	Infinity_69	vanessa, drawtype = ? if its a normal box?
13:35	VanessaE	Infinity_69: don't set it.
13:35	VanessaE	for normal cubes, just omit that line
13:35	Infinity_69	oh ok
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13:53	Infinity_69	hi
13:53	Infinity_69	im back
13:55	Infinity_69	hey
13:55	Infinity_69	:/
13:57	* Infinity_69	is lonely
13:59	* rubenwardy	is 14th http://forum.minetest.net/userlist.php?username=&show_group=-1&sort_by=num_posts&sort_dir=DESC&search=Search
14:00	* Infinity_69	is 28th
14:01	Infinity_69	rubenwardy, will you test my test mods?
14:01	Infinity_69	im learning the MineTest API
14:01	Infinity_69	:D
14:02	rubenwardy	...
14:02	Infinity_69	:)
14:03	Infinity_69	oh, btw, where can i get a minetest bucket texture?
14:03	Infinity_69	wait...
14:03	Infinity_69	ill try to dl mt
14:04	Infinity_69	how do i set 1 tile to every side of a box?
14:04	Infinity_69	tiles = {""}
14:04	Infinity_69	?
14:04	VanessaE	tiles = {"foo", "bar", "baz", ...}
14:04	VanessaE	for six sides.
14:04	Infinity_69	if i only put one, will it put it on every side?
14:05	VanessaE	https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1436
14:05	VanessaE	yes
14:05	Infinity_69	NO!
14:05	Infinity_69	i mean no to the link...
14:05	Infinity_69	its getting annoying
14:05	VanessaE	that link explains it, and yes one texture covers all sides.
14:05	VanessaE	please note that I pointed to the specific line in the API that explains it
14:06	Infinity_69	oh
14:06	Infinity_69	well, thats good
14:06	Infinity_69	better than what PilzAdam does
14:06	Infinity_69	he just gives me the link without #L***
14:06	harrison	i posted a few of my movies on freenode channels where i thought they would be
14:06	harrison	relevant. the response was alarming. i was called "weird". but instead
14:06	harrison	of sulking i took a hard look at my own actions and aesthetics. i resolved to
14:06	harrison	be more conventional, more downmarket, more least-common-denominator.
14:06	harrison	to kick off my new "not weird phase" i present this, my most
14:06	harrison	"normal" film ever. http://youtu.be/gqj7NSNC224
14:07	rubenwardy	lol
14:07	rubenwardy	weird
14:07	VanessaE	Infinity_69: next time, follow the link. I always make a point to give exact instructions when I can.
14:07	Infinity_69	ok :)
14:08	Infinity_69	oo...
14:08	Infinity_69	i can test my mod myself :D
14:11	Matsetes	Hi =)
14:11	Matsetes	Is there a way to understand the usage of pipelines?^
14:11	Matsetes	There are a lot of pipe...
14:12	Matsetes	*tubes
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14:13	Infinity_69	VanessaE, in CSS, what does em mean? (its a size)
14:13	VanessaE	not sure.
14:14	Infinity_69	ok
14:14	VanessaE	the only CSS I know comes from copy&paste from others' code :-)
14:14	rubenwardy	http://lmgtfy.com/?q=css+em
14:14	Infinity_69	got it
14:14	Infinity_69	i googled it myself, no thanks to LMGTFY
14:14	Infinity_69	xD
14:14	Infinity_69	1em = 1row
14:14	Infinity_69	:D
14:18	babyface1031	VanessaE: with the moretrees when the leaves die do they drop saplings?
14:20	Infinity_69	not always
14:20	Infinity_69	its a 1/20 chance
14:20	rubenwardy	VanessaE: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=71099#p71099
14:20	rubenwardy	O_o
14:20	Infinity_69	5% chance you get it
14:21	Infinity_69	:D
14:21	Infinity_69	great timing, me!
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14:21	babyface1031	ok thank you i been doing tree clean up on a server from where ppl have left trees floating in the air cause they cant reach the rest and i haven t seen one sapling fall
14:22	Infinity_69	:D
14:22	* rubenwardy	would quite like to be a moderator
14:22	* Infinity_69	denies rubenwardy's request
14:22	rubenwardy	I joined the community too late...
14:23	Infinity_69	xD
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14:37	Infinity_69	hey, who can 1. host a bot for me on another channer ; 2. idle on another channer
14:37	VanessaE	Infinity_69: 1/100 chance, not 1/20
14:37	Infinity_69	really?
14:37	Infinity_69	ok
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14:38	Infinity_69	it was 1/20 in 0.4.3
14:38	Infinity_69	i think...
14:38	VanessaE	um
14:38	VanessaE	moretrees didn't exist in 0.4.3 :-)
14:38	Infinity_69	ok
14:38	Infinity_69	:D
14:38	Infinity_69	oh, moretrees...
14:39	Infinity_69	i thought default trees :D
14:39	VanessaE	I figured with those massive trees, one should not get too many saplings
14:39	Infinity_69	yeah :D
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14:40	sfan5	Infinity_69: nobody is going to host a bot for you
14:40	Infinity_69	ok :/
14:41	Infinity_69	but, sfan5, how 'bout you idle in it :)
14:41	Infinity_69	its #zombietest
14:41	sfan5	no
14:41	sfan5	you can make chanserv idle on a channel
14:41	Infinity_69	how?
14:42	Infinity_69	chanserv is a bot?
14:43	sfan5	yes
14:43	sfan5	use google
14:43	Infinity_69	ok
14:45	Infinity_69	sfan5, how do i register myself?
14:45	Infinity_69	in Status
14:45	sfan5	/msg NickServ REGISTER
14:45	Infinity_69	ok
14:45	sfan5	..what?
14:45	Infinity_69	i thought it was in Status
14:45	Infinity_69	but mkay
14:45	Infinity_69	"You are not logged in"
14:46	Infinity_69	how do i register an account...
14:46	Infinity_69	i dont remember
14:46	Morrolan	Chanserv is a service.
14:46	Morrolan	"/ns help register"
14:46	Infinity_69	i know
14:46	Morrolan	(or "/msg nickserv help register", if Freenode doesn't have the /ns alias)
14:46	Infinity_69	it does
14:47	Morrolan	:)
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14:47	Infinity_69	dont
14:47	Infinity_69	done*
14:47	meldrian	Hello everybody
14:49	Infinity_69	hi
14:50	Kacey	hi all
14:50	Infinity_69	hi
14:52	Infinity_69	sfan5, how do i get ChanServ on my channel?
14:52	sfan5	google
14:54	Infinity_69	yay
14:54	Infinity_69	:D
14:54	sfan5	?
14:54	Infinity_69	#zombietest
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14:57	Infinity_69	hi ninja, please dont kill me
14:57	* Infinity_69	is scared
14:57	* VanessaE	clobbers Infinity_69 on ShadowNinja's behalf.
14:57	* Infinity_69	wants a rematch
14:58	* Kacey	clobbbers Infinity_69
14:58	* Infinity_69	stands up
14:58	* Infinity_69	stares VanessaE
14:58	* Infinity_69	is bluffing
14:58	* VanessaE	clobbers Infinity_69
14:59	* Infinity_69	stands up quickly
14:59	* Infinity_69	runs away, because VanessaE smells fear
14:59	* Infinity_69	is full of it
14:59	Kacey	bye all
15:00	Infinity_69	bye...FU*K
15:00	Infinity_69	:D
15:03	* sfan5	puts a bomb behind MinetestBot's cake
15:04	* sfan5	puts a bomb on MinetestBot's cake
15:04	Infinity_69	sfan5, For your information, the cake is a LIE!
15:04	Infinity_69	so, it isn't there!
15:04	sfan5	thats why MinetestBot is not answering
15:04	* sfan5	puts a bomb on MinetestBot's cake
15:04	MinetestBot	runs away
15:04	Infinity_69	:D
15:05	Infinity_69	MTB, you need to do /me ACTION
15:05	Infinity_69	:D
15:05	* Infinity_69	action's
15:05	Infinity_69	Camera, Lights, Action!
15:05	* Infinity_69	falls off from the directors seat
15:05	* Infinity_69	cries
15:05	MinetestBot	DUN! DUN! SU
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15:07	* Infinity_69	is making a movie
15:07	Infinity_69	It's called Claws! dun dun dun duh!
15:07	Infinity_69	xD
15:11	Infinity_69	http://youtu.be/cJOKCKwiqfY
15:11	Infinity_69	look
15:12	Infinity_69	It's like you actually hit me, fantastic technology!
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15:30	Infinity_69	im willing to advertise your advertisements on my website chain, currently there are 3 websites, and costs 1$/year
15:32		iqualfragile joined #minetest
15:33	Infinity_69	im willing to advertise your advertisements on my website chain, currently there are 3 websites, and costs 1$/year
15:33	rubenwardy	no spam
15:33	rubenwardy	no one would be interested
15:33	Infinity_69	ok :(
15:33	rubenwardy	you need traffic
15:33	Infinity_69	why not?
15:33	Infinity_69	oh...
15:33	Infinity_69	well, im working on it...
15:33	rubenwardy	mine would be good for adverts
15:33	Infinity_69	i just need a sponsor/advertiser
15:34	rubenwardy	380 visitors a week
15:34	Infinity_69	o.o
15:34	MinetestBot	Infinity_69: What are you wondering about?
15:34	Infinity_69	o.o
15:34	MinetestBot	Infinity_69: What are you wondering about?
15:34	Infinity_69	lawl
15:34	Infinity_69	:D
15:34	rubenwardy	but I do not believe in advertising
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15:34	Infinity_69	so, o.o asks that
15:34	Infinity_69	why not?
15:34	rubenwardy	ah! PilzAdam!
15:34	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
15:34	MinetestBot	hi PilzAdam
15:34	Infinity_69	hello everyone!
15:34	MinetestBot	hi Infinity_69
15:34	Infinity_69	yay :D
15:34	rubenwardy	PilzAdam: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/
15:35	PilzAdam	http://www.zimg.eu/i/3000682209
15:35	PilzAdam	it looks horrible
15:36	VanessaE	morning adam
15:36	rubenwardy	try reloading
15:36	Infinity_69	:D
15:36	rubenwardy	I must have been saving the css sheet
15:36	Infinity_69	ruben, pilzadam sent you a historic picture
15:36	Infinity_69	i think...
15:37	Infinity_69	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4842
15:37	rubenwardy	PilzAdam: try reloading, I must have been saving the css sheet
15:37	Infinity_69	nobody?
15:37	Infinity_69	oh :D
15:37	PilzAdam	rubenwardy, looks better now
15:37	Infinity_69	ruben, maybe make the pictures links?
15:37	PilzAdam	rubenwardy, but still not good
15:37	Infinity_69	mesecons etc.
15:38	Infinity_69	its a WIP
15:38	rubenwardy	Supposed to look like this: http://ompldr.org/vaGl2ZA/mtext_mockup1.png
15:38	Infinity_69	ruben, what happened to the Like button?
15:38	Infinity_69	btw, may i make a new like button?
15:38	Infinity_69	the + sucks, no offense
15:39	rubenwardy	yeah
15:39	PilzAdam	rubenwardy, yes, it does look like this
15:39	rubenwardy	It was just temporary
15:39	PilzAdam	but its not good
15:39	rubenwardy	That is the design c55 gave me
15:39	Infinity_69	ruben, the + was temp.?
15:39	Infinity_69	NO!
15:39	PilzAdam	maybe move the images to the right
15:40	rubenwardy	do you prefer the current one to the one before with the slider?
15:40	PilzAdam	I prefer something else ;-)
15:41	rubenwardy	ok
15:41	Infinity_69	hey
15:41	Infinity_69	huh...
15:41	MinetestBot	hi Infinity_69
15:41	rubenwardy	Make me a mock up
15:41	Infinity_69	finaly
15:41	Infinity_69	:D
15:41	rubenwardy	or even better, a real version
15:41	PilzAdam	I dont know how it should look like
15:41	PilzAdam	im not a good designer
15:41	* VanessaE	mocks rubenwardy <snotty voice> make me a mock up, waaa waa waa </snotty voice>
15:41	VanessaE	;-)
15:42	rubenwardy	meh
15:43	VanessaE	aw come on, I was trying to be funny :-)
15:44	rubenwardy	:P
15:44	Infinity_69	vanessaE, there are no HTML tags with multiply words in it, only if its an extension or something...
15:44	Infinity_69	like <div id="asdf">
15:44	Infinity_69	o.o
15:44	MinetestBot	Infinity_69: What are you wondering about?
15:44	rubenwardy	(attribute)
15:44	VanessaE	Infinity_69: don't ruin the joke
15:44	Infinity_69	ok
15:45	Infinity_69	i already did
15:45	Infinity_69	you should've done it like this
15:45	Infinity_69	<div class="snottyVoice">
15:45	Infinity_69	</div>
15:45	Infinity_69	get it?
15:45	Infinity_69	:D
15:45	Infinity_69	or like this...
15:45	Infinity_69	<div voice="snottyVoice">
15:45	Infinity_69	:D
15:45	VanessaE	I don't use <div> if I don't need it :-)
15:45	Infinity_69	or...
15:46	Infinity_69	<div voice="snotty">
15:46	Infinity_69	:D
15:46	* VanessaE	is an HTML 4.01-style web designer :-0
15:46	VanessaE	:-)
15:46	VanessaE	(not that div didn't exist, I just didn't use it)
15:46	* rubenwardy	is a HTML 5 designer
15:48	* Infinity_69	is a CSS 3 designer
15:48	Infinity_69	:D
15:48	* Infinity_69	is trolling
15:48	rubenwardy	***Infinity_69 is annoying
15:49	Infinity_69	you think?
15:50	Infinity_69	Rubenwardy, hey rubenwardy!
15:50	Infinity_69	hey!
15:50	PilzAdam	Infinity_69, its always a bad sign if 90% of the channel messages are written by you
15:50	* CombineTurret	shoots Infinity_69
15:50	Infinity_69	I'm Fred and i know it!
15:51	VanessaE	...
15:51	Infinity_69	well ok, gonna go in <1 minute
15:51	Infinity_69	40 sec
15:51	Infinity_69	30 sec
15:51	Infinity_69	25
15:51	Infinity_69	20
15:51	Infinity_69	15
15:51	Infinity_69	10
15:52	Infinity_69	5
15:52	Infinity_69	4
15:52	Infinity_69	3
15:52	rubenwardy	please kick him
15:52	Infinity_69	2
15:52	Infinity_69	1
15:52	Infinity_69	bye
15:52		Infinity_69 was kicked by VanessaE: Infinity_69
15:52	PilzAdam	well, good timing :-)
15:52	VanessaE	heheh
15:52	VanessaE	my typing is just slow :D
15:52	* rubenwardy	just loves DiDA course work
15:52	VanessaE	DiDA?
15:53	rubenwardy	Diploma in Digital Applications
15:53	VanessaE	oh
15:53	rubenwardy	http://www1.edexcel.org.uk/D202_SPB_0911_FINAL/html/SPB202Index.htm
15:53	VanessaE	is that what they're calling it these days?
15:53	rubenwardy	http://www.edexcel.com/quals/dida/Pages/default.aspx
15:53	VanessaE	in my day we just called it "Computer Science" :-)
15:53	rubenwardy	yeah
15:54	rubenwardy	it is a secondary school level diploma
15:54	rubenwardy	at a level (college) it is ICT
15:54	rubenwardy	and the programming bit is A level Computing
15:54	VanessaE	cool
15:54	rubenwardy	...
15:55	VanessaE	of course in MY day they were still teaching, I kid you not, K&R C and dBase/Lotus/Wordperfect
15:55	VanessaE	I feel old.
15:55	rubenwardy	lol
15:56	VanessaE	get off my damn lawn
15:56	VanessaE	:)
15:58	rubenwardy	http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/index.php is actually surprisingly good looking
15:58	rubenwardy	as pilzadam put it
15:58	rubenwardy	"but its not good"
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16:16	iqualfragile	rubenwardy: http://static.onemorelevel.com/games3/steampunk-tower.swf thats good
16:16	Calinou	flash--
16:17	iqualfragile	Calinou: well, of cause flash, what else
16:17	iqualfragile	oh, cant you use flash on your linux-thingy?
16:18	Calinou	yes I can
16:20	iqualfragile	rubenwardy: it does not look like you have improved the structure of the database
16:20	rubenwardy	I am in the progress
16:20	iqualfragile	if you need help ask me
16:20	iqualfragile	im happy to help
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16:25	rubenwardy	I am going through, changing all database column ids to hashes
16:26	rubenwardy	root directory done
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16:43	mauvebic	there are two chemistry mods now lol do they work the same?
16:46	iqualfragile	rubenwardy: thats not realy what i meant, i meant the structure
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16:48	rubenwardy	I am changing them to hashes, so I can then change the structure without having to go through everysingle page changing the id
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16:54	YuGiOhJCJ	hello, I see the "failed to emerge player" error message on the remote server when a client try to connect to the server, what it means please ?
16:55	iqualfragile	it means that the server was unable to place the player on the map
16:55	mauvebic	i get that, pretty random
16:55	iqualfragile	i think it should instantly afterwards try to respawn him near his original location
16:56	mauvebic	heck sometimes i log in and am attached to another player unable to move lol
16:56	YuGiOhJCJ	the problem is that the player is unable to join after 8 times this error message is displayed (because of a timeout)
16:57	YuGiOhJCJ	the client stays on the "Connecting to server..." window
16:57	mauvebic	thats annoying too lol
16:59	mauvebic	that pretty much sums up why i wont upgrade yet lol if a 'stable' version has this many bugs, i dont wanna find out about the devversions lol
16:59	YuGiOhJCJ	the problem doesn't appeared when I am running the server and the client on the same computer with the "127.0.0.1" address
16:59	iqualfragile	mauvebic: which version are you runnung?
16:59	mauvebic	0.4 stable
17:00	mauvebic	deve version changes too many times in a week to start modding off it (for me)
17:01	iqualfragile	jup
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17:01	mauvebic	plus i dont wanna write mods based on features that may or may not make it to final cut
17:03	mauvebic	though it wouldnt hurt to set a soft deadline for 0.5 stable, along with a '100 papercuts; type list of things to fix before calling it stable
17:05	mauvebic	like when ubuntu fixed bugs (by fixing them, not removing the underlying feature) lol
17:05	celeron55	that's pretty much just not doable; i have failed in convincing developers in focusing even putting out a quick 0.4.5
17:05	mauvebic	no consensus?
17:06	celeron55	as of now, just assume minetest is rolling release
17:06	NekoGloop	Lemme guess: "fuck progress"
17:06	celeron55	there is not going to be any real release for a while
17:06	celeron55	unless people force me to forcefully do one
17:06	mauvebic	no use calling it a new stable version if it ain't :/
17:06	celeron55	current is stabler than 0.4.4
17:07	rubenwardy	Should give version code names: 0.3.1 Dungeon Master
17:07	rubenwardy	like Icecream Sandwich
17:07	rubenwardy	lol
17:07	mauvebic	didn't know that :/ someone with a range of specs should post stresstests for each version
17:08	mauvebic	id do it but most my machines are custom :
17:08	mauvebic	but im curious whats (broadly) is holding up 0.45?
17:09	mauvebic	*oups i have 0.4.4 stable according the credits
17:09	mauvebic	different openGL versions on each machine was throwing me offl ol
17:11	mauvebic	whats the lua equivilent of php's microtime? id like to measure the performance of my mods across different versions
17:12	YuGiOhJCJ	do you see any reason my server is refusing players displaying "failed to emerge player" ? (probably a bad minetest.conf file)
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17:12	mauvebic	best thing you can do is restart
17:13	celeron55	one reason for that is if a client has timed out and tries to connect before the server trusts that it has timed out
17:13	celeron55	(there are probably other reasons too)
17:13	mauvebic	though sometimes i found starting a local map and then connecting to an outside server does the trick
17:14	mauvebic	though thats not for you to do but for the person trying to connect to you
17:14	YuGiOhJCJ	restart doesn't work
17:15	mauvebic	did they both restart?
17:15	YuGiOhJCJ	you mean client and server ?
17:15	mauvebic	my wife and i play on the LAN and we have to do this all the time lol
17:15	mauvebic	yeah try restarting both
17:16	mauvebic	not guaranteed to work the 1st time, though it eventually does lol
17:17	YuGiOhJCJ	no it doesn't work... I will try the local map trick ^^
17:18	YuGiOhJCJ	no that's the same problem... My 30000 (UDP) port is opened it should work... And I see the sever is reacting when the client try to connect so the problem is not about the firewall...
17:18	mauvebic	depends
17:18	mauvebic	1 firewall or two?
17:18	mauvebic	router + modem?
17:19	mauvebic	it took a while to figure out my modem was also running its own firewall lol
17:20	YuGiOhJCJ	in fact my modem act as a modem, and I have a server connected to the modem that does the firewall... Others computers are not firewalled so only 1 firewall which is correctly configured
17:21	mauvebic	do you have a spare laptop you can test with? (determine if its the client or server)
17:21	mauvebic	well any spare comp lol
17:22	mauvebic	wish we had the minetest equivilent of wifi analyzer lol
17:22	mauvebic	did you try checking the status of your server with the bot?
17:22	YuGiOhJCJ	no I have only a server, a modem, and a computer (the computer is the minetest client)
17:23	YuGiOhJCJ	I don't understand can you explain me how to check the status of the server ?
17:24	mauvebic	!up your.server.address 30000
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17:24	YuGiOhJCJ	where I must type this command ?
17:24	mauvebic	right here
17:25	mauvebic	though im not sure who's bot is running and what syntax it uses (iqualfragile or sfan5's)
17:25	YuGiOhJCJ	!up 82.246.226.4 30000
17:25	sfan5	mauvebic: MinetestBot is mine, moltenbot is banned by celer.n55
17:25	sfan5	!up 82.246.226.4 30000
17:25	MinetestBot	82.246.226.4:30000 is up (0.171ms)
17:25	sfan5	^ YuGiOhJCJ
17:26	iqualfragile	come to speak of it: why was moltenbot banned?
17:26	sfan5	if the bot ignores you its because of the 3 sec cooldown
17:26	iqualfragile	afaik minetest bot was the one having all those annoyung !tw and !g features
17:26	sfan5	iqualfragile: Minetest-tan, MinetestBot and moltenbot were running at the same time and celeron banned any of them
17:27	NekoGloop	Moltenbot would resolve links.
17:27	iqualfragile	NekoGloop: you are the reason for that actualy
17:27	sfan5	iqualfragile: minetestbot now has a simpe system to ignore people and also a cooldown
17:27	NekoGloop	Ah, no.
17:27	sfan5	*simple
17:27	YuGiOhJCJ	hmm and so I see my server is "up"...
17:27	YuGiOhJCJ	it's the status
17:28	YuGiOhJCJ	and what else ?
17:28	sfan5	(0.171ms)
17:28	sfan5	ping time
17:28	YuGiOhJCJ	is it good ?
17:28	sfan5	yes
17:28	sfan5	!up minetest.ru
17:28	MinetestBot	minetest.ru:30000 is up (0.390ms)
17:28	sfan5	^ look at this example
17:28	YuGiOhJCJ	nice I am the winner :)
17:29	YuGiOhJCJ	hmm... so it is up but I am unable to join as a player...
17:29	YuGiOhJCJ	maybe it's because my computer is on the same local network than my server
17:30	YuGiOhJCJ	so it uses the local address instead of my public Internet address
17:30	sfan5	maybe
17:30	YuGiOhJCJ	nobody here can try to join my server just to be sure ?
17:30	VanessaE	\o/ http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=71601#p71601
17:31	VanessaE	(makes small jungles appear if the land is suitable, as if anyone cares)
17:32	YuGiOhJCJ	is there a way to listen multiple addresses with the minetest server ?
17:32	NekoGloop	When i feel like playing minetest again i'll try that mod.
17:32	YuGiOhJCJ	(listen on all network interfaces at the same time)
17:34	rubenwardy	http://htwins.net/scale2/
17:35	rubenwardy	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=71602#p71602 <-- opinion needed
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17:47	NekoGloop	Pfft, my MT build is from Jan 4th
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17:47	PilzAdam	NekoGloop, are you still on windows?
17:48	NekoGloop	That's the stupidest thing I've been asked in 4 years.
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17:48	VanessaE	NekoGloop: Jan 4??? wow, time to update.
17:48	PilzAdam	ummm... if yes try my win32 builds ;-)
17:49	NekoGloop	Why must my hard drive suffer from constant updates to everything?
17:49	VanessaE	NekoGloop: progress.
17:49	VanessaE	:-)
17:50	NekoGloop	You mean that thing that we're lacking? :P
17:50	VanessaE	because you're over a month out of date :)
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17:50	VanessaE	moretrees makes MT look pretty :-)
17:50	VanessaE	but you need a build later than Jan 7.
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17:55	Calinou	NekoGloop: get a SSD :P
17:55	VanessaE	SSD <3
17:55	* Calinou	doesn't have one but plans to put one in his next builsd
17:55	Calinou	build*
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17:55	Muadtralk	don't listen to them nekogloop! just keep spinning along with me :P
17:55	NekoGloop	If I can't afford a hard drive larger than 80GB, what makes you think I'll be able to afford an SSD.
17:56	VanessaE	Calinou: my Vertex2 seems to be quite reliable, and as SSDs go it was cheap
17:56	Calinou	NekoGloop: better smoke/drink, amirite
17:56	Calinou	VanessaE: >ocz >reliable
17:56	NekoGloop	I do neither.
17:56	VanessaE	NekoGloop: http://starmicroinc.net/samsung-mmcre28g5dxp-128gb-inch-solid-state-sata-p-89.html?osCsid=cmqohloqhjsh22o5b6tbmjqn92
17:56	VanessaE	128 GB, $72.
17:57	VanessaE	that's half the price I paid, and for twice the storage I bought
17:57	VanessaE	(so a quarter of the price per gig)
17:57	NekoGloop	That's $72 more than I have.
17:57	Calinou	samsung 840 pro here, in 256GB is 215 euros ;-;
17:57	Calinou	thanks to the "private copy" tax
17:57	Calinou	on anything that can store stuff there's a tax
17:57	Calinou	have fun buying tablets with 128GB of storage in france :P
17:58	VanessaE	Calinou: seriously. Vertex2 is reliable. the stuff that cane before and after this line is the unreliable stuff
17:58	VanessaE	came*
17:59	Calinou	their controller sucks sometimes, their speeds go down a lot after using it a lot
17:59	Calinou	and yes, they are less reliable than most other brands
17:59	Calinou	the petrol 3 has 40% return rate :P
17:59	VanessaE	Calinou: oh?
17:59	VanessaE	vanessarainbird:~$ sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sda
17:59	VanessaE	[sudo] password for vanessa:
17:59	VanessaE	/dev/sda:
17:59	VanessaE	Timing cached reads: 6828 MB in 2.00 seconds = 3414.88 MB/sec
17:59	VanessaE	Timing buffered disk reads: 588 MB in 3.00 seconds = 195.68 MB/sec
17:59	VanessaE	seems fast enough to me after ~2 years or so
18:00	Calinou	3414MB/sec? are you using a RAID 0 of four SSDs or what?
18:00	VanessaE	nope.
18:00	Calinou	good SSDs reach 500MB/sec in sequential reads
18:00	VanessaE	one disk, one SATA port, plain old SATA2
18:00	Calinou	SATA 2's speed is 3Gb/s...
18:00	VanessaE	(my board was made before that 6 Gbps speed came out)
18:00	VanessaE	repeats test
18:00	Calinou	gigabits, not bytes
18:01	Calinou	hmm, nevermind
18:01	Calinou	cached reads is from RAM and buffered disk reads from disk?
18:01	VanessaE	yup, it's a tad slower than it was when I first got it, but still about 5 times faster than spinning rust :-)
18:01	VanessaE	yes, and yes
18:02	Calinou	see, my example of "good" SSD is 2.5 times faster :P
18:02	VanessaE	I think I was getting around 20 MB/sec out of it when new, but I haven't TRIM'd this drive since I got it.
18:02	VanessaE	er
18:02	VanessaE	220 MB/sec
18:02	VanessaE	and besides, I wasn't willing to pay for a "good" SSD :-)
18:03	VanessaE	given the current prices, I might upgrade soon
18:03	VanessaE	I wouldn't mind a bit more space in /home
18:03	mauvebic	repartition
18:03	Calinou	VanessaE: "secure erase" will restore its original performance
18:03	VanessaE	(only got about 16GB free, and I filled that temporarily the other day just processing some music files)
18:03	Calinou	that removes all data though 8)
18:03	VanessaE	HAH!
18:03	VanessaE	well, I do keep backups..........
18:03	Calinou	also, having less than 25% of free space = slower speeds
18:04	VanessaE	yep I know
18:05	VanessaE	mauvebic: can't, the partition layout I have now is about the best I can do in 60GB :-)
18:05	VanessaE	vanessarainbird:~$ cat /proc/partitions
18:05	VanessaE	major minor #blocks name
18:05	VanessaE	8 0 58615704 sda
18:05	VanessaE	8 1 14647296 sda1
18:05	VanessaE	8 2 40039424 sda2
18:05	VanessaE	8 3 3927040 sda3
18:05	mauvebic	60gb? tabarnacle, my old spinning rust had 160gb when it died at 7yrs old lol
18:05	VanessaE	and I'm using most of that first one for the OS.
18:05	VanessaE	(the third one is swap)
18:06	mauvebic	i barely bother with swap these days, when you have enough ram and dont use sleep/suspend
18:06	VanessaE	I also discovered the other day that it is still incredibly slow to dive into swap even when it sits on an SSD :D
18:06	mauvebic	though with an SSD i can see how swap might work better
18:06	VanessaE	so fortunately, 99.99% of my computing stays within the 4GB RAM I have on the machine
18:07	mauvebic	4gb should be more than enough tho
18:07	mauvebic	i wrote my first modpack on 1g lol
18:07	VanessaE	it usually is
18:07	VanessaE	unless I get stupid and try to launch two MT instances with HDX enabled on both :D
18:07	mauvebic	i often do that when testing lol
18:08	VanessaE	I do frequently, but always with default textures on the secondary instances.
18:08	mauvebic	usually i forget another instance running behind a browser or thunar window lol
18:09	khonkhortisan	I know a channel is busy when I can't find what I said yesterday by scrolling up
18:09	mauvebic	though its not as bad since i installed x-tile and setup a few presets
18:11	NekoGloop	Yep.
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18:25	sfan5	lol
18:25	sfan5	x11proto-randr-dev (1.4.0+git20120101.is.really.1.4.0-0ubuntu1)
18:28	Calinou	VanessaE: is your RAM DDR, DDR2 or DDR3? also, what's its frequency?
18:28	Calinou	3400MB/s seems slow..
18:28	VanessaE	good question.
18:28	* VanessaE	looks
18:28	Calinou	and how many RAM slots are used?
18:28	Calinou	dual channel is much faster than single channel :P
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18:29	VanessaE	hah, you would make me look that up :D
18:29	Calinou	Timing cached reads: 23102 MB in 2.00 seconds = 11563.08 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 404 MB in 3.03 seconds = 133.42 MB/sec
18:29	Calinou	UH UH
18:29	Calinou	12GB of DDR3 RAM, 1333mhz, in 3 bars (however, the 1155 socket doesn't support triple channel so the 3rd bar is only used for having more RAM)
18:30	Calinou	133.42 MB/s for a hdd, not bad :P
18:30	VanessaE	lesse. two slots, 667 MHz, not sure if DDR2 or 3
18:30	Calinou	DDR2 then
18:31	VanessaE	I didn't opt for top-of-the-line when I built this machine :-)
18:31	* Calinou	will probably put 2400mhz RAM in his next build :>
18:31	VanessaE	didn't see a point in doing so
18:31	Calinou	I found 8GB of them for about 69 euros, with CAS 10 :P
18:31	VanessaE	nice
18:31	Calinou	there's also two at 57 euros, but CAS 11
18:32	Calinou	higher CAS is worse ;)
18:32	VanessaE	I remember, not that long ago, when half a meg would cost you $200
18:32	VanessaE	wow times have changed.
18:32	Calinou	the price of 8GB of 1333mhz RAM is 40-45 euros, so faster RAM is more expensive but worth it
18:32	Calinou	there's like a 5-15% difference in application speed between 1333mhz and 2400mhz ;)
18:33	Calinou	and it's better for overclocking the CPU too
18:33	VanessaE	hence the reason I went with the slower stuff :D
18:33	VanessaE	2.6 GHz in 6 cores seemed like a better investment given the way I use my machine
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18:33	Calinou	frequency doesn't do everything
18:33	VanessaE	yup I know
18:34	Calinou	if I put a quad core AMD CPU at 3ghz and a quadcore intel CPU at 3ghz, guess who wins :P
18:34	VanessaE	the AMD of course :)
18:34	* khonkhortisan	guesses the quadcore
18:34	* Calinou	guesses the CPU
18:34	khonkhortisan	cpu wins, 3ghz loses
18:35	Calinou	and intel wins money.
18:35	VanessaE	heh
18:35	* john_minetest	guesses the AMD wins and is 100 Euros cheaper
18:35	Calinou	slash fail
18:35	khonkhortisan	/me didn't forget the slash
18:35	VanessaE	the AMD would win in that limited scenario because it, as I understand, performs a bit better per MHz than Intel chips do, but of course you pay for it in power usage
18:36	khonkhortisan	/say /me and you don't get the initial space
18:36	VanessaE	or //me
18:36	VanessaE	/me does something
18:36	khonkhortisan	/me
18:36	Calinou	VanessaE: it's the inverse
18:36	khonkhortisan	oh
18:36	VanessaE	Calinou: when did that change?
18:36	Calinou	the AMD CPU is slower in multithread usages, much slower in monothread usages
18:36	Calinou	since nehalem or so :P
18:36	VanessaE	heh
18:37	VanessaE	granted, I made my decision based on aggregated user benchmarks versus cost.
18:37	Calinou	also, if we compare a fx-8350 to an i7-3770K, or even the i5-3570K, the latter has better overclocking margin for similar temperatures (and less power used)
18:37	VanessaE	this particular chip won out, at the time
18:37	Calinou	the fx-8320 can be made into a fx-8350, or better by overclocking too
18:37	Calinou	(unless you're really unlucky)
18:37	VanessaE	I don't overclock.
18:37	Calinou	same, /me uses a shit intel fan :D
18:37	VanessaE	can't afford a watercooling system :-)
18:38	khonkhortisan	I want to overmemory
18:38	Calinou	watercooling is not the best, by far
18:38	PilzAdam	copper cooling is better
18:38	Calinou	CPU fans like the true spirit 140 pwn watercooling while making less noise
18:38	Calinou	:P
18:38	Calinou	just... it doesn't fit in all cases. 170mm wide :P
18:38	VanessaE	Calinou: you feel like pitching in $200 worth of Zalman coolers then? :-)
18:39	Calinou	zalman is meh :P
18:39	khonkhortisan	Or would you rather keep your half meg of ram?
18:39	VanessaE	oh yeah, that's gonna happen
18:39	Calinou	khonkhortisan: you can overclock your RAM to make it run at higher freqs, btw :P
18:39	khonkhortisan	it almost seems like that would work
18:39	Calinou	or lower CAS
18:39	Calinou	but might crash ;)
18:39	* VanessaE	goes to the hardware store and buys 50 litres of mineal oil...
18:40	PilzAdam	Calinou, is there anything you cant overclock?
18:40	khonkhortisan	so the ram gets hotter, and stores the same amount, but faster?
18:40	VanessaE	mineral*
18:40	VanessaE	PilzAdam: your hard drive :-)
18:40	Calinou	PilzAdam: your case :>
18:40	khonkhortisan	Might make thrashing less of a freeze
18:40	khonkhortisan	Your hands are the limiting factor
18:40	khonkhortisan	Your mouth goes faster than your keyboard
18:40	Calinou	khonkhortisan: yeah
18:41	Calinou	it's not like RAM is extremely hot anyway
18:41	Calinou	doesn't mean you can push a 1333mhz RAM to 2400mhz, most of the time you can only add 266mhz
18:41	PilzAdam	Calinou, try overclocking an ÂµControler in mesecons ;-)
18:41	khonkhortisan	It can be done with the right delayer
18:42	Calinou	only the ÂµControler-K can be OC'd :(
18:42	Calinou	it costs additional mese </intel>
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18:46	PilzAdam	VanessaE, y u no support mesecons for the doors in homedecor?
18:46	khonkhortisan	I assume both mods reset the default doors
18:47	VanessaE	because I don't know how
18:48	mauvebic	it seems kinda silly to power traditional (hinge) doors, what about supermarket-type slidy doors?
18:48	VanessaE	out of scope for homecdecor
18:48	khonkhortisan	then you need a wall to hide it in
18:48	VanessaE	-c
18:48	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: not really - you can just fake it
18:49	Muadtralk	true
18:49	* khonkhortisan	places two supermarket doors next to each other and watches the doors disappear out of existence
18:49	NekoGloop	You can make the nodeboxes fly to the sides
18:49	mauvebic	you'd need two nodes clearance for each slidy door yeah
18:49	mauvebic	dont have to be a wall builtin with the door, you can build thatyourself
18:50	khonkhortisan	preferably out of glass
18:50	mauvebic	* khonkhortisan places two supermarket doors next to each other and watches the doors disappear out of existence
18:50	mauvebic	naw, you can always autodetect which side is air
18:51	mauvebic	or ... program the direction (one field,one button)
18:51	mauvebic	its mesecons so you should be able to program which way to go lol
18:51	khonkhortisan	steal some pressure plate code for the camera above the door
18:51	VanessaE	PilzAdam: besides, I got lazy with my node defs - I didn't use separate nodes for open vs. closed
18:52	mauvebic	me neither
18:52	mauvebic	facedir all the way
18:52	VanessaE	yup
18:52	VanessaE	left closed = right open
18:52	VanessaE	or something like that
18:52	mauvebic	for every 2 nodes saved thats an extra door you can add
18:54	NekoGloop	Doesn't xdoors2 do similar?
18:54	VanessaE	dunno
18:55	VanessaE	I wish thexyz would update xdoors2 to follow the left click/right click change, so I could ditch default doors
18:55	VanessaE	(sorry PilzAdam, xdoors2 may be a pain in the ass to texture, but they look better imho)
19:00	frogcrush	I wish someone would update the mesecons mod so the wires work better, like technic
19:01	frogcrush	And maybe let technic power mesecon
19:01	VanessaE	define "better"
19:01	VanessaE	mesecons are supposed to be simple voltage lines - TTL. Not power-carrying lines
19:01	frogcrush	They are a pain to position, and technic has, say, the wires go along the roof
19:01	NekoGloop	better as in form, not function.
19:01	frogcrush	Yeah, NekoGloop
19:02	VanessaE	hrm
19:02	frogcrush	I like how technic had more realistic-looking wires
19:03	frogcrush	I actually tried learning Lua to do that :D
19:03	frogcrush	That went in my failure box
19:04	rubenwardy	bye
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19:06	rubenwardy	https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest-forum/commit/23a129c84e4143c62e69f5236b478c13af29824d
19:07		jimjonas was kicked by VanessaE: jimjonas
19:07	Kray	I love that commit message
19:07	Kray	it is so clear and descriptive
19:08	rubenwardy	yeah
19:08	VanessaE	[02-20 14:07] <jimjonas> why was I kicked from the channel?
19:08	VanessaE	duh, I wonder.
19:08	rubenwardy	that is supposed to be in https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest-forum/commit/ae2dc75dd3980206e5b52ae567dc0cc31857dcea
19:08	rubenwardy	"progress bar, updated stuff"
19:10	VanessaE	er, oookay
19:11	VanessaE	rubenwardy: seen today's moretrees update?
19:11	rubenwardy	Some links
19:11	VanessaE	jungles are back :-)
19:11	rubenwardy	help/opinion request: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=71602#p71602
19:12	rubenwardy	awesome, vanessaE!
19:13	rubenwardy	bloody hell
19:13	rubenwardy	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4394
19:13	rubenwardy	every heard of being concise? :P
19:13	rubenwardy	*ever
19:13	VanessaE	never! :-)
19:14	rubenwardy	this is concise: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=41155#p41155
19:14	rubenwardy	wow https://raw.github.com/VanessaE/moretrees/master/tree_biomes.txt
19:14	rubenwardy	I will install that, tomorrow
19:14	rubenwardy	anyways
19:14	rubenwardy	gtg
19:14	VanessaE	install it NOW!!!!!
19:14	VanessaE	:-)
19:15	VanessaE	besides,
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19:15	rubenwardy	adios emigos
19:15	VanessaE	you put all the details of food on the website :-)
19:15	VanessaE	I keep it on the forums whe---
19:15	VanessaE	---re it belongs.
19:27	VadtecWk	VanessaE, using node ownership...how do I remove an area I defined? adding worked fine, but /remove_areas doesnt work, says its an invalid command
19:28	VadtecWk	as well, /list_owner_entries doesnt work either
19:28	VanessaE	er
19:29	VanessaE	/remove_areas needs a single number
19:29	VanessaE	the number listed next to the area in question when you do /list_areas
19:29	VadtecWk	i did /remove_areas 1
19:29	VanessaE	and the copy I have anyways, does not have /list_owner_entries
19:29	VadtecWk	and it said /remove_areas is an invalid command
19:30	VanessaE	weird
19:30	VanessaE	you're using this?
19:30	VanessaE	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=846
19:30	VadtecWk	yup
19:30	VadtecWk	specifically the one you posted and said to use
19:31	VanessaE	I am simply not sure then, because I've done this a number of times before and it always worked.
19:31	VadtecWk	hmmmmm
19:32	VanessaE	unless the /set_owner never actually "took"?
19:32	Muadtralk	hopefully your not using the version thats there
19:33	VanessaE	he's using my fork (see the last post in the thread)
19:33	VadtecWk	VanessaE, i see the area i defined in /list_areas
19:34	VadtecWk	and i got a message that it was successfully created
19:34	Muadtralk	that never means anything :P
19:34	Muadtralk	remember the second rule of minetest
19:34	Muadtralk	it lies alot
19:34	Muadtralk	:)
19:35	VanessaE	lol
19:36	MinetestBot	GIT: celeron55 commited to celeron55/minetest: Merge pull request #500 from doserj/server_report_missing_deps b29834ab02 2013-02-20T11:34:57-08:00 http://git.io/gIeGPg
19:36	VanessaE	\o/
19:36	VadtecWk	grm
19:37	VadtecWk	i see /remove_areas in the lua code
19:37	VadtecWk	so why the heck isnt the server accepting it
19:38	VanessaE	too many leading slashes? too manyspaces between /remove_areas and the '1'?
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19:40	VanessaE	well that's a cloak but it ain't Jeija :D
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19:41	VadtecWk	VanessaE, not sure what it was
19:41	VadtecWk	i restarted the server
19:41	VanessaE	it works now?
19:41	VadtecWk	and it seems to be working
19:41	VanessaE	straige
19:41	VanessaE	strange
19:41	VadtecWk	very
19:42	VadtecWk	oh well, at least now i can define areas for my kids :P
19:42	VadtecWk	they have a nasty habit of blowing each others stuff up
19:42	VadtecWk	most the time its not an issue
19:42	VadtecWk	but occasionally it is
19:43	frogcrush	lol, my bro and sis do that
19:43	frogcrush	Can you define an area for just one person to build on?
19:43	VanessaE	yes
19:43	PilzAdam	frogcrush, you need mods for that
19:43	VanessaE	that's how it works by default
19:43	frogcrush	PilzAdam, thats awesome!
19:44	VanessaE	that owner can then define areas within his/her land to allow others to build on also
19:44	frogcrush	What is the name of the mod?
19:44	VanessaE	PilzAdam: yes, node_ownership, which we're already talking about :D
19:44	VadtecWk	mhm, thats what im messin with
19:44	VadtecWk	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=65665#p65665
19:44	VanessaE	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=65665#p65665
19:44	VanessaE	ninja'd
19:44	frogcrush	thx
19:44	* VadtecWk	disapears into a cloud of mist
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19:57	VanessaE	so, I've been asked to add some kind of tree to deserts... but what?
19:58	frogcrush	Cactus?
19:58	frogcrush	With funky arms and stuff?
19:58	VanessaE	the game already creates cactus
19:58	VanessaE	maybe juniper?
19:59	thexyz	http://minetest.ru/builds/minetest-2013.02.20-b29834ab02.zip
19:59	frogcrush	http://www.desertusa.com/flora.html
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20:02	VadtecWk	VanessaE, mesquite
20:03	frogcrush	has anyone thought of making a mod update API?
20:03	MiJyn	frogcrush, that's possible
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20:04	frogcrush	It would be cool to update, and have a mod market
20:04	MiJyn	butharder
20:04	MiJyn	*but harder
20:04	VanessaE	mequite isn't a tree so much as a shrub..
20:04	VanessaE	mesquite*
20:04	VadtecWk	other than a plam tree its about all yer gonna get
20:05	VadtecWk	palm tree*
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20:06	VanessaE	From a quick search, I came up with: Ponderosa Pine, Whitethorn Acacia, California Fan Palm, Rio Grande Cottonwood, Sonoran Elephant Tree, Mojave Joshua Tree, Juniper
20:06	VanessaE	(one site had a nice listing of desert flora)
20:06	VadtecWk	oh, my bad, i misread, you are talking desert, not scrubland
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20:09	VadtecWk	yeah, that list is a good list
20:09	VanessaE	anyone feel like making some L-systems models? :-)
20:10	VadtecWk	question: what is L-system?
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20:10	VadtecWk	some kind of modeling spec?
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20:10	VanessaE	basically glorified, recursive turtle graphics :-)
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20:10	thexyz	berome: fix your connection
20:11	berome	0-0
20:11	berome	I'm sorry
20:11	berome	I havn't realized "you were here"
20:12	VanessaE	it's customary to say "hi all" or similar and wait a minute or two for a response before assuming the channel is dead/non-functional :-)
20:12	berome	I stop, thanks thexyz: cause I havn't caught that :-\|
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20:13	FreeFull	VanessaE: LOGO does support recursion in most implementations
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20:14	VadtecWk	VanessaE, forgive my 3d noobness... turtle graphics?
20:14	VanessaE	FreeFull: I said "turtle graphics" because this ain't LOGO - less'n of course there are 3d LOGO interpreters out there :-)
20:14	FreeFull	I wouldn't be surprised
20:14	VanessaE	VadtecWk: move forward, turn right, pitch up, rotate clockwise, etc.
20:15	FreeFull	Apparently Elica
20:15	VadtecWk	vector art?
20:15	FreeFull	and MSWLogo
20:15	VadtecWk	or paths?
20:15	VanessaE	VadtecWk: sorta - each step the invisible turtle moves leaves behind a trunk node, or leaves, or fruit
20:16	FreeFull	http://www.elica.net/site/museum/museum.html
20:16	VanessaE	so you give the engine a series of commands to draw the tree, and there are push/pop commands, hence it is fractal-based.
20:16	MiJyn	FreeFull, FMSLogo too :)
20:16	MiJyn	I used to program in that when I was 7-8 :)
20:17	VanessaE	so you can for example step forward three, save position, branch off to the left and step forward once, then return to the saved position and branch off another direction, then repeat at the end of each branch, etc.
20:17	VadtecWk	VanessaE, ive never even looked up what a fractal really is lol...never had a reason to
20:17	VanessaE	VadtecWk: now you do :D
20:17	PilzAdam	bye
20:17	VadtecWk	indeed
20:19	VadtecWk	VanessaE, so turtle graphics work sorta like 3d printing, only in 3 actual dimensions (rather than a 2d plane that gets taller and taller)
20:19	VanessaE	VadtecWk: not quite
20:19	MiJyn	VanessaE, but the engine doesn't support logo, does it?
20:19	VanessaE	MiJyn: the spawn_tree() function uses the L-Systems method
20:19	VanessaE	which is basically 3D LOGO but with a different syntax.
20:20	VanessaE	moretrees uses that function to make its trees
20:20	MiJyn	right
20:20	MiJyn	ok
20:20	MiJyn	I see
20:21	MiJyn	sort of harder to read though, isn't it?
20:21	VadtecWk	the geek in me wants to google all this
20:21	VadtecWk	but if i do
20:21	VadtecWk	i will be consumed by it for 3-4 days
20:21	VadtecWk	and i cant afford that lol
20:21	VanessaE	angle=45; FFFF++F&F would be roughly equivalent to: FORWARD 4: RIGHT 90: FORWARD 1: PITCH +45: FORWARD 1
20:21	MiJyn	haha yeah
20:21	VadtecWk	to much money making work to do
20:21	MiJyn	VanessaE, see? much harder to read
20:21	VanessaE	VadtecWk: there is this interesting concept called "free time" which usually occurs outside of work ;-)
20:21	VanessaE	MiJyn: perhaps, but far more compact
20:22	MiJyn	yeah of course
20:22	MiJyn	except if you do: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.... (forward 100)
20:22	VanessaE	and this is how L-Systems has been done since the 1960's :-)
20:22	VadtecWk	VanessaE, im currently working on 3 contracts, what little free time i get is usually sleep deprived...not my best time to be reading about complex graphic stuff
20:22	FreeFull	L-Systems use rewrite rules, right?
20:22	VanessaE	FreeFull: yep
20:23	VanessaE	so when you put "A" in a rule or axiom, rule A is inserted into its place at runtime
20:23	VanessaE	including if "A" appears inside of Rule A's definition
20:23	VadtecWk	how the hell does that work...
20:23	VadtecWk	infinite recurssion anyone?
20:23	VadtecWk	lol
20:24	MiJyn	sure! xD
20:24	VanessaE	VadtecWk: limited recursion
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20:24	VanessaE	first the rule/axiom is parsed with the "A" in place, then the contents of "A" are inserted.
20:24	VanessaE	the result is executed
20:24	VadtecWk	i get how it works lol
20:24	VadtecWk	but man that scares me
20:24	VanessaE	then the code is evaluated again, and rule A is substituted again everywhere it occurs - for as many iterations as you specify
20:25	VadtecWk	a graphical fork bomb...thats novel
20:25	VadtecWk	:P
20:25	VanessaE	haha
20:25	jin_xi	or you can just generate long axioms: http://i.imgur.com/3lUZcRx.png
20:25	VanessaE	only if you set iterations to some really huge value
20:25	VanessaE	jin_xi: NICE hack!
20:26	VadtecWk	its more the concept of being able to graphically fork bomb something that scares me
20:26	VadtecWk	i can do it on the cmd line easy
20:26	VadtecWk	but to do it in graphics...thats a skill i dont have
20:26	VadtecWk	...yet
20:26	VadtecWk	:P
20:26	VanessaE	VadtecWk: OH no in this case there's no forking
20:26	MiJyn	oh, won't take that much time to learn how
20:26	MiJyn	I can teach you :P
20:26	MiJyn	(out of experience :/)
20:26	VadtecWk	lol
20:26	VanessaE	can't really call it a fork bomb if the code is evaluated linearally
20:27	MiJyn	I think he's referring to a "recursion bomb" or something
20:27	VadtecWk	rephrase: raping the machines memory :P
20:27	VadtecWk	fork bomb, recurssion bomb, infinite loop
20:27	VadtecWk	you get the idea
20:27	MiJyn	yeah
20:27	VadtecWk	machine chokes itself and dies painfully
20:27	MiJyn	what's why I hate using 'while (1)' s xD
20:28	VadtecWk	do ... while 1=1
20:28	VanessaE	VadtecWk: right, which in this case is only possible if you request a huge number of iterations (you have to explicitly tell the code how many or it'll asume 1)
20:28	MiJyn	even if I use: 'bool cond = true; while (cond)' it makes me feel safer :)
20:28	VanessaE	assume*
20:28	MiJyn	VadtekWk, well, while 1 = 1, first of all, will give an error (replace it by while (1 == 1)), and second, why not juse use while(1)?
20:28	VadtecWk	iterations=Math.pow(2,1024);
20:28	MiJyn	*just
20:28	VadtecWk	:P
20:29	MiJyn	haha
20:29	MiJyn	yeah...
20:29	VanessaE	VadtecWk: eek
20:29	MiJyn	don't want to know what'll happen xD
20:29	VanessaE	that'll just make the game crash I'm sure :-)
20:29	VadtecWk	MiJyn, typo, i mean 1 == 1
20:29	VanessaE	why not just, while true; do xxxx; done/end/whatever
20:29	MiJyn	yeah xD
20:29	MiJyn	VanessaE, I like C-like syntax better :P
20:29	VadtecWk	VanessaE, depends on the lang
20:29	VanessaE	heh
20:30	VanessaE	I'm too used to bash :-)
20:30	MiJyn	while true, while (1), infinite_loop, for (;;), etc... :P
20:30	VadtecWk	i could have said: label loop: if 1 == 1 { goto loop; }
20:30	MiJyn	VadtecWk goto FTW!
20:30	MiJyn	xD
20:30	VanessaE	0801 JMP $0801
20:30	VanessaE	:-)
20:30	VadtecWk	goto can diaf
20:30	VadtecWk	hahah VanessaE
20:30	VadtecWk	touche
20:31	MiJyn	yeah
20:31	MiJyn	so:
20:31	sapier	goto ... tztztz
20:31	MiJyn	label loop: goto loop;
20:31	MiJyn	forget about the if :P
20:31	jin_xi	come from
20:31	VadtecWk	MiJyn, most compilers wont compile that
20:31	VadtecWk	they will detect it as a loop
20:31	MiJyn	VadtecWk, oh
20:31	VadtecWk	and bail
20:31	VanessaE	or, faster: 0801 CLC: loop BCC loop
20:31	VanessaE	:-)
20:31	MiJyn	which assembly is that?
20:31	VanessaE	ok, enough of that
20:31	VadtecWk	the if makes it a full blown statement that can possibly have an exit point
20:32	VanessaE	that's 6502, of course.
20:32	MiJyn	ah
20:32	VanessaE	the only true assembly language ;)
20:32	MiJyn	haha
20:32	VadtecWk	VanessaE, thats also very old school lol
20:32	VanessaE	(or at least, the only one I fucking understand :D )
20:32	NekoGloop	Real programmers make bytecode from scratch
20:33	VanessaE	NekoGloop: REAL programmers focus cosmic rays onto their storage media and use that to flip the bits as needed :-)
20:33	VanessaE	http://xkcd.com/378/
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20:34	NekoGloop	Real programmers call Chuck Norris, and he looks at the storage device which programs itself out of fear
20:34	VanessaE	lol
20:34	MiJyn	haha
20:35	VanessaE	you win :-)
20:35	MiJyn	Real programmers use Eclipse :P
20:35	MiJyn	jk
20:35	NekoGloop	Anyway, I'm playing FF7 on my emulator (which is unneccessary, technically, because I do own the PC version)
20:36	NekoGloop	Sadly playing it via an emulator goes faster though O.o
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20:36	MiJyn	lol what?
20:37	NekoGloop	A few graphical glitches, mainly because I can't be arsed to config my graphics plugin
20:38	NekoGloop	That does, however, mean I can easily use gameshark codes :)
20:39	NekoGloop	Gotta get used to loadtimes being astronomically shorter than on a PS1.
20:40	VadtecWk	hrm...there is an awesome comic related to programming langs, but i cant remember where i saw it or what its called
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20:54	* sokomine	looks around
20:55	* STHGOM	sneezes
20:55	* jin_xi	coughs
20:56	* john_minetest	puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head
20:56	* NekoGloop	mews
20:56	* sokomine	pats nekogloop
20:57	* NekoGloop	purrs
20:57	* sokomine	continues to pat
20:57	NekoGloop	>w<
20:57	* john_minetest	puts a kitten on sokomine's head
20:58	* sokomine	thanks john_minetest and feeds some milk to her kitten
20:58	* STHGOM	sneezes again
20:59	* NekoGloop	gives STHGOM a tissue
20:59	* sokomine	hopes the kittens don't fall down (or attach too strongly to the head)
20:59	* STHGOM	blows hin nose
21:00	* STHGOM	throws the tissue out
21:00	* john_minetest	takes glue and sticks the kitten to sokomine's head
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21:01	VadtecWk	poor kitten
21:02	sokomine	don't worry. they're self-cleaning
21:02	* sfan5	puts a kitten on MinetestBot's head
21:02	MinetestBot	sfan5: I don't want it, talk to NekoGloop, he likes kittens
21:02	NekoGloop	pffthaha
21:02	* STHGOM	get a hair-drier and makes the kitten all fluffy
21:02	VadtecWk	ha, thats funny
21:03	* NekoGloop	puts a puppy on MinetestBot's head
21:03	NekoGloop	No? No? Ok.
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21:05	VadtecWk	is there a way I can define where spawn is?
21:05	NekoGloop	Yes.
21:05	VadtecWk	some config option?
21:06	NekoGloop	Yes.
21:06	* sokomine	stares at a tree in confusion
21:06	* NekoGloop	puts a puppy on MinetestBot's head
21:06	MinetestBot	NekoGloop: Awwwww....
21:06	sfan5	VadtecWk: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4810
21:07	* sfan5	puts a cake in MinetestBot's harddrive
21:07	MinetestBot	Ooh! thank you, nom nom nom...
21:07	sfan5	\o/
21:08	NekoGloop	lol
21:09	khonkhortisan	That was the downfall of digital food
21:11	VadtecWk	oh...you can put mods into an individual world?
21:11	Muadtralk	yes
21:11	Muadtralk	you can
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21:11	VadtecWk	very cool
21:12	Muadtralk	I don't quite remember how its done now
21:13	VadtecWk	this forum post says [your world]/worldmods/[mod here]/[mod files]
21:13	Muadtralk	is that celerons comment?
21:14	Muadtralk	if its the one I am tihnking of it doesn't work anymore
21:14	Muadtralk	thinking*
21:14	VadtecWk	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4810
21:14	VadtecWk	sfan5 linked it a minute ago
21:14	NekoGloop	Muadtralk: That's how it's done.
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21:16	Muadtralk	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=19835#p19835
21:17	Muadtralk	this is how it was done!
21:17	Muadtralk	:P
21:17	NekoGloop	That still works too IIRC
21:17	Muadtralk	nope
21:17	Muadtralk	I tried it awhile back when someone was asking something
21:17	NekoGloop	Or works in some form? I know you can do similar.
21:18	Muadtralk	similar being the above way
21:18	Muadtralk	:)
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21:19	NekoGloop	no, you can force no other mods to load (which is what that does)
21:19	VadtecWk	VanessaE, egad...i just looked up fractals...i barely understand trig...
21:20	VanessaE	that's okay, I understand trig even less :-)
21:20	VadtecWk	just looking at its "definition" made my head hurt
21:21	jin_xi	fractal basically just means a small part of something looks like the whole
21:21	NekoGloop	It's confusing and you shouldn't try to understand it
21:24	sokomine	any lua-experts present?
21:26	NekoGloop	sokomine: Nope, jeija isn't here and I'll bet rba isn't either
21:26	sokomine	:-(
21:27	* sokomine	pats the next available kitten distractedly
21:27	* Muadtralk	whistles to MiJyn in a jack frost manner
21:27	* NekoGloop	sets up a conveyor belt with kittens on it
21:27	* Muadtralk	calls out to RealBadAngel for aid
21:28	* Muadtralk	trys to get mauvebic to appear
21:28	* Muadtralk	hits neko259
21:28	Muadtralk	nope nobody helpful is around
21:32	VadtecWk	L-systems look interesting
21:32	VadtecWk	i swear
21:32	VadtecWk	if i get sucked into research on these things
21:32	VadtecWk	im gonna blow my entire world up
21:33	NekoGloop	Someone should use L-system to make giant crystals on mapgen
21:33	jin_xi	VadtecWk: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4766 for l system description
21:33	jin_xi	NekoGloop: that would be very nice
21:33	VadtecWk	jin_xi, im reading some articles on the net
21:34	VadtecWk	but thanks though
21:34	VadtecWk	ill read it too
21:34	VadtecWk	:D
21:36	jin_xi	i hope the whole treegen thing can be made a bit more flexible. it could easily make crystal biomes, giant mushrooms and coral reefs with a bit of tuning
21:36	NekoGloop	It can currently, I think.
21:36	jin_xi	well, yes
21:36	NekoGloop	(exception of possibly the mushroom)
21:37	jin_xi	but it has some tree specifics hardcoded which makes some things difficult
21:37	VadtecWk	the geek in me wants to start throwing random L-systems together to see what i can make
21:38	VadtecWk	and i wanna make some massive, twisted, totally non-real plants for my world
21:40	Muadtralk	dooooo it
21:40	FreeFull	jin_xi: With some randomness?
21:40	FreeFull	Random angles and stuff
21:41	NekoGloop	Theoretically, giant crystals could be done similarly to how willow trees can be done
21:41	jin_xi	yes, it does randomizing
21:50	VanessaE	VadtecWk: make some trees for the desert biome so I can add 'em to moretrees :-)
21:50	VanessaE	http://www.desertusa.com/flora.html#trees
21:50	VanessaE	maybe two or three of these ^^^^6
21:50	VanessaE	-6
21:50	VadtecWk	VanessaE, if ihave some time
21:52	VadtecWk	what do you need? the strings?
21:58	VanessaE	yeah, I mean if you can't do it that's okay :-)
21:58	VanessaE	I'm just lazy :D
21:59	VadtecWk	i find it very intriguing
22:00	NekoGloop	I might screw around with L-system, but if I do, it sure as hell ain't gonna be a tree than comes out of it
22:00	jin_xi	hm would be cool to make a small mod to edit and experiment with treegens ingame
22:00	NekoGloop	>small mod
22:00	NekoGloop	>edit ingame
22:00	NekoGloop	Dafuq kinda lua you usin'?
22:01	jin_xi	well, a textfield is not to hard
22:02	NekoGloop	Ok. Then make it work.
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22:04	VadtecWk	VanessaE, do you have any examples of existing trees I can learn from?
22:04	VanessaE	moretrees mod :D
22:04	VadtecWk	the strings that is
22:06	VadtecWk	kk
22:06	VadtecWk	dont be surprised if I give you some really wierd shit to go along with it at some point
22:07	NekoGloop	Martian trees?
22:07	VadtecWk	more like Martian Trees On Crack
22:08	VadtecWk	or
22:08	VadtecWk	Martian Trees That Should Have Been Aborted
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22:10	NekoGloop	Like most western pop stars?
22:11	mauvebic	lol how are the pop stars where you're from?
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22:12	NekoGloop	Well, strictly speaking there aren't many pop stars "where I'm from", but let's just start with Justin Beiber
22:12	NekoGloop	I think I can end the list there.
22:13	mauvebic	add bryan adams and celine dion to the list of ppl who should have never gotten passports lol
22:13	sokomine	does anyone know the diffrence between modname:function and modname.function ?
22:17	NekoGloop	sokomine: First one is a function being done inside modname, with modname passed to the function as "self", and the other is the function being executed without modname passed to the function.
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22:18	sokomine	hm
22:18	jin_xi	it has nothing to do with the mod its a lua thing... foo:bar(baz) is the same as foo.bar(self, baz)
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22:19	NekoGloop	Good for referencing variables within a table that the function resides
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22:22	VadtecWk	VanessaE, i assume i should look in tree_models.lua for examples?
22:23	sokomine	aah. the self, part as additional parameter explains it
22:24	sokomine	and i was puzzled why the first parameter suddenly got the second
22:24	VanessaE	yes
22:25	sokomine	so the third got lost in this case?
22:25	VanessaE	VadtecWk: ^^
22:25	VanessaE	sokomine: damned if I know :)
22:25	VadtecWk	im looking at it now...wow these things are freaky
22:26	VadtecWk	it makes me think of DNA and genome building
22:26	Uberi	anyone wanna help me build this with mesecons? http://imgur.com/m64bUkC :P
22:27	Uberi	I designed an asynchronous computer architecture with only 4 instructions
22:27	VadtecWk	eat, sleep, fart, repeate?
22:27	VadtecWk	repeat*
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22:29	NekoGloop	sokomine: No. All params will be bumped down by one (it inserts the "self" param at the top of the list)
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22:30	sokomine	ah. sounds good
22:33	NekoGloop	Me playing FF7: I will Bolt-All all the things!
22:34	Uberi	well I suppose I will need to add a few more instructions for the GPU and FPU
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22:40	VadtecWk	VanessaE, if i start messin with these trees, will they become part of moretrees?
22:40	VanessaE	possibly :-)
22:40	VanessaE	depends if I like the result :D
22:41	VadtecWk	i mean, should i learn the moretrees way of doing trees?
22:41	VanessaE	OH
22:41	VanessaE	well I will add them but you don't need to worry about doing it the moretrees way - all I need are the tree models and I can do the rest
22:42	VadtecWk	so is there an external program i can build the models with?
22:42	VadtecWk	or will i need to play with moretrees
22:42	NekoGloop	Get some butterflies
22:43	VanessaE	VadtecWk: I used http://www.kevs3d.co.uk/dev/lsystems/ to do most of the work
22:43	* VadtecWk	clicks
22:43	VanessaE	then I brought the axioms into the mod and tweaked them until they looked right in-game
22:44	VanessaE	I did jungle trees and firs, RealBadAngel did the others
22:46	VadtecWk	does the above link handle the 3d nature of the trees?
22:46	VanessaE	sorta
22:46	VanessaE	it's a flattened isometric view
22:46	VanessaE	so you have to make some guesses
22:46	VanessaE	I don't know of a better one that's equally easy to use..
22:46	VadtecWk	so whatever i generate should show up in game in 3d
22:47	VadtecWk	and the commands are the same as the ones on http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4766 ?
22:47	VanessaE	yes, pretty much
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22:48	VanessaE	MT supports a few things not found in standard L-systems stuff, like commands to explicitly place fruit, leaves, etc.
22:49	VadtecWk	well, i mean as far as movement
22:49	VanessaE	the rules need to be written as: Rule1: A=blah blah
22:49	VanessaE	(B= blah blah, etc)
22:49	VanessaE	yeah, same commands for movement
22:51	VadtecWk	if i have some free time tonight ill see what i can come up with
22:52	VanessaE	take yer time
22:52	VadtecWk	it looks like fun
22:52	Uberi	apparently l-systems are turing complete
22:52	VanessaE	Uberi: except there's no way for l-systems to read from its environment
22:53	RealBadAngel	hi all
22:53	MinetestBot	hi RealBadAngel
22:53	VanessaE	evenin' RealBadAngel
22:53	Uberi	hmm, I guess it only applies to the other one I was reading about then
22:53	Uberi	hey RealBadAngel
22:53	* NekoGloop	puts a puppy on MinetestBot's head
22:53	MinetestBot	NekoGloop: Awwwww....
22:53	VanessaE	lol
22:53	VadtecWk	lol...angle=180
22:53	VadtecWk	best
22:53	VadtecWk	tree
22:53	VadtecWk	ever
22:54	RealBadAngel	make a screenshot
22:54	NekoGloop	Ground tree is best tree
22:54	* MiJyn	puts a dog on MinetestBot's head
22:54	MinetestBot	MiJyn: Awwwww....
22:55	* MiJyn	puts a shark on MinetestBot's head
22:55	* NekoGloop	puts a kitten on MinetestBot's head
22:55	MinetestBot	NekoGloop: I don't want it, talk to NekoGloop, he likes kittens
22:55	MiJyn	dang
22:55	NekoGloop	Irony. I detect it.
22:55	MiJyn	haha yes, he's correct
22:55	* NekoGloop	puts a cake in MinetestBot's harddrive
22:55	MinetestBot	Ooh! thank you, nom nom nom...
22:55	RealBadAngel	btw, some news for technic coming in an hour or so... http://i.imgur.com/3fHIvaR.jpg
22:56	VanessaE	nice
22:56	MiJyn	cool
22:56	Uberi	neato
22:56	NekoGloop	I'd love to have that all-facedir patch, btw.
22:58	RealBadAngel	i will finish the nodebox part on weekend
22:58	RealBadAngel	for this bitch i need more time for coding
22:59	RealBadAngel	but as a bonus i will make also possibility to use different textures for each box in a nodebox
22:59	Uberi	I would love the ability to set pitch for entities, in addition to yaw
23:02	RealBadAngel	yesterday i rewrote code for all technic tools
23:03	VadtecWk	cya in a bit peeps, heading home
23:03	RealBadAngel	because i figured out how to store whole tables in items meta
23:03	Uberi	serializing them?
23:04	RealBadAngel	yup
23:04	Uberi	awesome
23:04	RealBadAngel	solution was quite easy and it is very useful
23:05	RealBadAngel	i made simple helpers for that and items meta can be accessed in similar way node meta is
23:08	RealBadAngel	http://pastebin.com/20bmkcj3
23:09	* VanessaE	moans and groans from being sickly :-(
23:10	Uberi	have you tried spinning in circles while chanting your name?
23:10	Uberi	it doesn't do anything but it might make you feel better
23:10	VanessaE	if I catch the fuckhead that gave me this ...whatever it is I have... I'm gonna have him or her shot, strangled, beaten, drawn-and-quartered, keel-hauled, raked over hot coals, burned at the stake, dipped in acid, thrown through a plate glass window, and then really REALLY hurt.
23:10	jin_xi	umm, k
23:10	Uberi	I dunno if that guy will feel very much after being drawn and quartered
23:11	VanessaE	heh
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23:16	sokomine	er...ok....my house-spawning works now...to some degree. i just get more houses than i can see trees (maybe not each generated one actaully grows?)
23:16	FreeFull	Lol
23:17	VanessaE	they all most certainly grow :-)
23:17	VanessaE	maybe you're accidentally calling your building spawn code more than once :-)
23:17	NekoGloop	Make them rarer, if possible.
23:18	Uberi	whoa did you make a house l-system?
23:18	sokomine	no, pre-built houses
23:18	VanessaE	Uberi: naw, she's hooking into plants_lib's tree spawner code so that those structures spawn along with the trees at mapgen time
23:18	sokomine	l-system is nice for trees. houses ought to be more...human-made and regular while not too symmetric
23:18	FreeFull	Hmm, randomly-generated houses
23:18	jin_xi	did you check my axiom generating thing?
23:19	jin_xi	http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4732
23:19	jin_xi	its a minimal language to program the l-system
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23:20	jin_xi	for more geometrical stuff
23:20	sokomine	http://www.zimg.eu/i/3553783765
23:20	VanessaE	sokomine: wow
23:20	sokomine	no, i don't want generator-generated houses. there's something players have to do
23:20	VanessaE	actually that looks really good
23:20	sokomine	yes, well, that many houses where not intentional
23:21	sokomine	it was supposed to be one house per tree for testing. i mean..how are they supposed to sell their wood if the entire town sells wood?
23:21	jin_xi	sokomine: nice
23:21	Uberi	lovely, jin_xi
23:21	Uberi	learning forth was not such a waste of time after all :P
23:22	jin_xi	Uberi: its not a real forth
23:22	sokomine	it's very similar to what mauvebics mtcities does, though diffrent in detail. it takes a few hand-build houses, rotates them randomly and replaces the wood with that of the nearby tree
23:24	mauvebic	rotation and material swapping isn't different tho :P just the houses seem to be
23:24	NekoGloop	And this takes HOW long to generate?
23:24	VanessaE	NekoGloop: fast enough that the emergethread falls behind :-)
23:25	sokomine	actually not very long. the world is unresponsive...it was so before. it got a bit chaotic when i ran out of disc space and lost the seed for that world :-(
23:26	sokomine	each house comes with a trader that tries to sell you wood. it's basicly a mobf-mob
23:26	mauvebic	now that is different :-) just wood though? no bakers or blacksmiths?
23:26	Uberi	it should be pretty easy to get them to sell some other stuff, I guess
23:27	NekoGloop	Hey, look, there's a MT build from today.
23:27	VanessaE	NekoGloop: that took you a while :-)
23:27	VanessaE	there have been new builds semi-periodically since long after your last Jan. 4 build :-)\
23:27	sokomine	they live in wodden houses next to moretrees-trees :-) what do you expect them to sell? (it's just a bit..problematic...that they settle all that close together
23:28	sokomine	i've made traders for other things as well (mostly animals and farming plus). they don't have houses yet and will require diffrent spawning
23:28	jin_xi	maybe there can be inter npc trade and not only lumberjacks but also carpenters and such
23:28	jin_xi	to buy your furniture from
23:28	Uberi	traders fill a nice gap in renewable resources
23:29	sokomine	hm. they just pretend to be lumberjacks to make that wood easier accessible. that applies to a clay/sand trader as well that does not spawn yet. i don't like it if i have to leave an area devastated because of the need for materail
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23:29	Uberi	yes definitely
23:29	Kacey	hi all
23:29	MinetestBot	hi Kacey
23:29	Kacey	no MinetestBot no
23:29	Kacey	i had a mod idea
23:29	sokomine	exactly. the work for the trader comes from sapier. it is based on mobf and just a way of providing them with diffrent material
23:32	mauvebic	though the building spawning + entities moving around, your FPS cant super good right now?
23:32	bas080	Chemistry mod both work differently. My Chemistry mod is more "Serious" game like. Educational purpose.
23:33	sokomine	my fps is always more or less bad. 15 fps seem fine for most building purposes. if i fly around in a world with moretrees, animals and lots of other nice things or move around on fast...well...then that's usually too much. also playing on fast is mostly too much. my grapics card is...the bare minimum
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23:33	sokomine	the traders do not move around. they stick to their houses. only the animals from mobf roamm around
23:33	Badger436	hi everybody!
23:33	MinetestBot	hi Badger436
23:33	VanessaE	hi
23:33	MinetestBot	hi VanessaE
23:33	mauvebic	figured, i run < 12 mods and even my FPS is 'round 25
23:34	VanessaE	shaddup, bot
23:34	VanessaE	MinetestBot: die
23:34	VanessaE	damn :-)
23:34	sokomine	you can find the not-yet-finished mod at https://github.com/Sokomine/random_buildings
23:34	Kacey	i had a great mod idea
23:34	VanessaE	55 mods in my standard install (server) and my fps varies from 25 to about 45
23:34	sokomine	the traders work only with a slight modification. i don't know if sapier already found time to include that tiny patch
23:34	NekoGloop	I spawned in a Jungletree
23:35	NekoGloop	and OMFG 3 FPS.
23:35	sokomine	view range?
23:35	Muadtralk	18 mods for me at most
23:35	Muadtralk	counting the default mods of course
23:36	Badger436	I have a quick optimization question (I'm fairly new to this game and have only done light modifications): I have a mid range machine that runs most commercial games at the highest settings. I think I have a setting mixed up because I can run the game at 60 FPS vsync'd, then all of a sudden my framerate will randomly drop to 30 and I can't get it to return to 60 no matter what I do. Any ideas?
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23:36	VanessaE	NekoGloop: sorry for the low fps. do you at least like the output of the mod? :-)
23:36	VanessaE	Badger436: unfortunately, the game is just like that. try turning your view range down with "-"
23:37	Uberi	hey Badger436, when does this happen?
23:37	VanessaE	I think the default is 240, which might be too much for your video device.
23:37	bas080	As far as i know restart helps
23:37	Badger436	Thank you!
23:37	Uberi	is it when you move into new areas?
23:37	bas080	or live with 30 fps
23:37	sokomine	30 on far would be great :-)
23:37	sokomine	mc runs far worse on my machine...
23:37	Badger436	Well, it tends to start when I load new chunks, which it to be expected, but even when I have those new chunks off screen and out of the viewing range (set at 50) it still persists as being slow
23:38	Uberi	Badger436: viewing range does not equal loaded range, though
23:39	RealBadAngel	try running game with minetest --logfile ''
23:39	RealBadAngel	it helps a lot
23:40	Badger436	That makes sense, but the other thing that I find odd, I did a test where I flew very high with the viewing range maxed, the framerate dropped to about 9 or so. considering the tremendous amount of information loaded, I completely understand that. However, when I return after that to ground level with the view distance lowered to a more normal range, I usually go back up to around 55. It literally tends to vary by map
23:40	Badger436	I'll definitely try that, thank you very much :)
23:41	RealBadAngel	for my 1.8ghz dual core, fps jumped from 25 to around 40 or more FPS
23:41	RealBadAngel	soon there will be setting in config to disable logs
23:42	NekoGloop	http://ompldr.org/vaGpicA/screenshot_21308873.png OMFG trees.
23:42	FreeFull	Trees everywhere
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23:42	Badger436	I was reading about the logs issue on the forums, that owuld make sense as being a potential drag
23:42	Badger436	Those are awesome trees!
23:42	NekoGloop	see: moretrees mod
23:43	VanessaE	NekoGloop: you like? :-)
23:43	sokomine	the trees are huge :-) especially when you find one alone and can see how huge they really are
23:43	NekoGloop	VanessaE, yes
23:43	RealBadAngel	http://imgur.com/a/PXyaA#0
23:44	NekoGloop	Also now there's a plains/forest biome seperation
23:44	VanessaE	sooner or later, I'll get around to adding HDX support
23:44	VanessaE	(presently only jungletrees and firs are supported, plus the apples themselves)
23:45	Badger436	hey also, for what it is worth, I would like to contribute my skills to this game if they are ever needed to help make it better if I can. My specialty is really in the graphical department, I have been doing pixelart since I could crawl, so if anyone ever needs anything, please let me know
23:46	VanessaE	good - we could use a few nice textures - some of what we have now is kinda..meh
23:46	VanessaE	(which is why I use my HDX texture pack)
23:46	sokomine	people that are good at creating grapics and even enjoy so are quite rare :-) we'll have lots of texture requests for you
23:47	sokomine	and if you can do models with blender that may easily lead to new npc
23:47	Badger436	Well the way my friend and I got interested in this game was with the goal to make a modification which incorporated a stats and skill system with tiers which would allow the crafting of better tools and deeper mining/better items, etc
23:48	Badger436	That would be awesome, It's a great way for me to get away from the books for a little while, my forum name is the same, just pm me and I will see what I can do
23:49	sokomine	hm :-)
23:49	Badger436	I've been sticking with 32 x 32 because I read that, and it makes sense, the larger the texture, the bigger the drag. And I would like my work to be available/useable by as many as would like to use it
23:49	sokomine	i'd like to have a...hm. don't know the term. a road in the country that is not paved and used by farmers?
23:50	sokomine	the german term is "feldweg"
23:50	Badger436	like a stone road?
23:50	RealBadAngel	i used to make textures in 128x, they can be dowscaled to 32x without any problem and remain quite nice
23:50	sokomine	this here shows a typical example: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Fr%C3%BChlingslandschft_Aaretal_Schweiz.jpg
23:50	Badger436	let me translate, my german is lacking since my grandmother passed away
23:51	Badger436	oh so the scaling is automatic? well that changes all the things.
23:51	Badger436	Ah I see sokomine
23:51	sokomine	fine :-)
23:51	Badger436	I had a road like that where I grew up actually
23:52	Badger436	sokomine, are you use the standard grass texture?
23:52	sokomine	it's basicly two...lines formed by the wheels of vehicles (in past days carts driven by animals; today tractors and such) where the dirt shows. and the rest is either dirt with grass or some gravel or whatever
23:52	sokomine	yes, standard grass texture
23:53	VanessaE	soko, a "dirt road"
23:53	VanessaE	that's all we call it here :-)
23:53	VanessaE	(even though most such roads are covered in sand)
23:53	Badger436	ok I'm going to overlay the road over that texture so it will mesh well with the surroundings
23:54	VanessaE	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/Sidewalk_Highway.jpg
23:54	Badger436	do you need straight pieces or also curved pieces?
23:54	VanessaE	or maybe you want something more like that
23:55	Badger436	if minetest looked like that one day.. wow lol
23:55	VanessaE	Badger436: http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1583
23:55	VanessaE	it does. :-)
23:55	sokomine	yours seems already the luxory version, vanessa. usually they're not paved. mostly...just a patch of land where machines for farming regulary travel
23:55	VanessaE	(if your video card can handle it :D )
23:56	sokomine	just a node wood be enough i think. all those curves don't really work well...
23:56	VanessaE	sokomine: actually, that sidewalk highway was paved back in the 1930s
23:56	Uberi	whoa that's a lot of mod support VanessaE
23:57	sokomine	railway tracks in mt are strange due to those incredibly narrow curves a real cart couln't travel through
23:57	VanessaE	what you see in that photo is the remnants of US "Route 66" in one area (most parts are much better)
23:57	sokomine	ah
23:57	sokomine	i've heard about that route
23:58	VanessaE	but the photo you linked to is just what we simply call a "dirt road" here.
23:58	VanessaE	or even less, e.g. a cart path or so
23:58	Badger436	ok sokomine, how would you like me to send this to you, my friend?
23:58	sokomine	a "feldweg" is diffrend from that. apart from the machines of the local farmer they are very popular for talking a walk
23:58	Badger436	wow! nice texture pack vanessa
23:58	VanessaE	a trail maybe?
23:59	sokomine	badger: how about a pn in the forum or a link?
23:59	sokomine	hm. trail...perhaps
23:59	Badger436	I can PM it to you, same user name on the forums?

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